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How to beat corruption in Singapore

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Singapore is a country that has triumphed over corruption in just 40 with a little years. At the same time, it was possible not only to avoid mass executions of officials, as in China, but even to do without particularly harsh repression.


When the British left Singapore in the middle of the 50-s, Singapore, the citizens of Singapore got a very weak legislative base, a virtually uneducated population, low salaries, an opaque economy, widespread corruption. And extremely vague prospects. Lee Kuan Yew, along with his party "People's Action" won the election and became prime minister, he became a symbol of the fight against corruption, the slogan of which was: "If you want to defeat corruption, be ready to send your friends and relatives to jail.".

As you already understood, one of the first tasks that the Lee Kuan Yew team took up was the elimination of corruption and increasing trust and respect for the state among the population.

The anti-corruption campaign consisted of four elements, the first of which was the creation of a powerful independent anti-corruption service. The British Colonial Government was left with the Bureau of Corruption Investigation - DBK, but its powers were extremely confused, and its employees were engaged in very small matters in the lower and middle echelons of the police, among the inspectors who controlled the lottery trade, land management inspectors, etc. Lee Kuan Yew significantly strengthened the BRK, reassigned him to the Singapore premiere and gave him truly unlimited powers.

Deprive immunity officials

In parallel, all officials and their families were deprived of immunity. The agents of the BRK received the right to check bank accounts, the property of not only the officials themselves, but also their children, wives, relatives and even friends! If the clerk and his family live beyond their means, the bureau automatically investigates without waiting for the command from above. DBK's investigations were focused on large bribe takers in the upper echelons of power. Minor rogues were fought by simplifying decision-making procedures and removing any ambiguity in the law, to the point of revoking permits and licensing in less important areas of public life. In parallel, the courts were granted the right to confiscate the proceeds of corruption.

In 1989, the maximum amount of a fine for corruption actions was increased from 10 to 100 thousands of Singapore dollars. Giving false evidence to DBK or misleading the investigation was a violation punishable by imprisonment and a fine of up to 10 thousands of Singapore dollars. Moreover, DBK repeatedly conducted investigations against Lee Kuan Yew himself and his family, but they did not have results. During the activities of the DBK, several federal ministers, trade union leaders, public figures, and top managers of state-owned companies were planted.

Without compromise

Here is one of the episodes, as the Singapore authorities called for the responsibility of high-ranking officials. Wee Tung Boon was the Minister of the Ministry of the Environment in 1975, when he traveled to Indonesia with his family. The trip was paid for by a contractor who built housing, the interests of which he represented to government officials. He also received a mansion from this contractor worth 500 thousands of Singapore dollars, as well as two credits in the name of his father for a total of 300 thousands of Singapore dollars for stock market speculation, which were issued against the guarantees of this contractor. He was charged, convicted and sentenced to four years and six months in prison. He appealed the sentence, but the charge was upheld, although the sentence was reduced to 18 months.

Live within your means

The second element of the anti-corruption program: in Singapore, the presumption of guilt of an agent of the government, of any government department or state public organization was actually introduced. In 1960, a law was passed that made it possible to consider evidence of a bribe that the accused lived beyond his means or owned property that he could not collect on his income as evidence that the accused received corrupt income.

Any remuneration received by an official from a person who has sought contact with the government will be considered paid corruption as an incentive or reward until proven otherwise. This effectively transfers the burden of proving one’s innocence to an employee, who must convince the court that the remuneration was not received under the corrupt scheme. If the official’s fault is proven, his property is subject to confiscation, the official pays a huge fine, goes to jail for quite a decent time. However, his family is considered dishonored, and none of the family members can find a good job in Singapore.

Big salary as a guarantee of decency

The third element - the salaries of officials were radically increased. Lee Kuan Yew argued that civil servants should pay the highest wages because they deserved it, being a decent and honest government. If they are underpaid, they may be tempted to engage in corrupt practices.

The increase in salaries has led to the fact that the best specialists have moved into the public sector. When the country began a rapid economic recovery, the wages of officials began to grow in proportion to the income of the private sector. Civil servants and judges in positions of responsibility were raised to the level of top managers of private corporations. Initially, wages were fixed at a high level.

Lee Kuan Yew considered this system ineffective and proposed a new one, according to which the revision of ministers, judges and senior civil servants would become automatic, linked to the amount of income taxes paid by the private sector. The payroll formula itself, which is still working today, looks like this: the official's salary level was defined as 2 / 3 of the income of private sector employees of comparable rank, shown by them in tax returns.

Media factor

The fourth element is the formation of independent, objective media covering all found facts of corruption. An official caught on excessive spending, a bribe, immediately becomes the “hero” of the front pages.

Here is a brief summary of the main steps to success in the fight against corruption.
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  1. fortunophile
    fortunophile 16 May 2013 15: 13 New
    33
    This is not our method, Putin does not give up! winked
    And also: "We are not in the 37th year now" request
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 16 May 2013 15: 33 New
      21
      Quote: fortuneophile
      This is not our method, Putin does not give up! winked
      And also: "We are not in the 37th year now" request

      What are you minus? This is the case!
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 May 2013 15: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: lilit.193
        What are you minus? This is the case!
        But what about the laws on real estate and accounts abroad? It’s not so easy to balance on the verge of Putin.
        1. lilit.193
          lilit.193 16 May 2013 16: 12 New
          22
          Quote: domokl
          Not so easy to balance on the verge of Putin.

          He does not need to balance, but to rule the country!
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 16 May 2013 16: 38 New
            +6
            Quote: lilit.193
            He does not need to balance, but to rule the country!

            "Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side" (C)
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 May 2013 16: 52 New
              17
              Quote: Atlon
              "Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side" (C)

              You would go to kindergarten with such thoughts ......... What battle? According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, our President has so many powers that none of the Western leaders have ever dreamed of. A specific example: the head of the department was appointed plenipotentiary in the federal district.
              1. mladenec
                mladenec 16 May 2013 19: 52 New
                -8
                Since when is our constitution more important than federal or regional laws? (remember the trial for alternative service at least). But just a plenipotentiary representative is a product of Putin's activities, building a vertical of power, so that these very "powers" have, the difference between de jure and de facto needs to be explained? Remember at least how he forced the subjects of the Russian Federation to adjust the legislative base to the federal one, or you don’t remember that anymore?
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 16 May 2013 22: 37 New
                  +7
                  Quote: mladenec
                  Since when is our constitution more important than federal or regional laws?

                  Listen to Sasha! You really are like a baby! Did they fall off the moon? fool
                  Quote: mladenec
                  the difference between de jure and de facto need to explain?

                  Do not! Since you have federal and regional laws more important than the Constitution! wassat Go and learn the basics of law.
                  1. mladenec
                    mladenec 20 May 2013 00: 33 New
                    +1
                    OOOO?
                    Quote: nycsson
                    Quote: mladenec
                    Since when is our constitution more important than federal or regional laws?

                    Listen to Sasha! You really are like a baby! Did they fall off the moon? fool
                    Quote: mladenec
                    the difference between de jure and de facto need to explain?

                    Do not! Since you have federal and regional laws more important than the Constitution! wassat Go and learn the basics of law.
                    It seems like he wrote seriously, really didn’t figure it out, okay, I’ll try to chew: 1) de jure Constitution the supreme law
                    2) de facto in the country since 199 ... they wanted her, for explain to me the baby, dear sage, according to what .... Yu (right) the guys who have the right under the constitution to perform alternative services, sued the military commissariat who said that he laid down on the constitution on the basis of not even the presence of federal law, but its absence ?? !!!
                    Laws are carried out by people and not by a book ... if it is difficult for you to read between the lines, I am truly sorry for you ...
                    Do not! Since you have federal and regional laws more important than the Constitution! wassat Go and learn the basics of law.

                    You remind me of a child who, in elementary grades, explained that "0" is the smallest number, and then in a conversation of adults he hears that the air temperature is below 0, and bursts in with pride: "Why didn't you go to school? 0 IS THE SMALLEST number and never gets lower !!! "
                    Thanks for the advice...
            2. lilit.193
              lilit.193 16 May 2013 18: 22 New
              10
              Quote: Atlon
              "Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side" (C)

              And why did he then go to the presidency - to balance or lead the state. If you balance, then let the tightrope walker go to the circus!
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 16 May 2013 16: 48 New
            +5
            Quote: lilit.193
            He does not need to balance, but to rule the country!

            That's right! good
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 16 May 2013 16: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: domokl
          Not so easy to balance on the verge of Putin.

          Which side? request
          1. captain dvv
            captain dvv 17 May 2013 13: 46 New
            +3
            There is an obvious line. Noodles to pop on the ears about the next fight against corruption and not to spoil the business of the Rottenbergs and Timchenko, not to let Serdyukov put in, to give the opportunity to continue to receive kickbacks to Shuvalov. We fools do not understand how hard it is for Putin to balance on this line.
        3. Atrix
          Atrix 16 May 2013 17: 15 New
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          Quote: domokl
          Quote: lilit.193
          What are you minus? This is the case!
          But what about the laws on real estate and accounts abroad? It’s not so easy to balance on the verge of Putin.

          But what is the fight against corruption? Go to any ministry, any city hall, police and look at what bureaucrats go by. Look at the children of these bureaucrats on what they ride. Look where they live, and it will immediately become clear how the fight against corruption is conducted. At least one large bureaucrat was imprisoned and returned stolen. Putin may be trying to fight, but it all happens at the direction and aimed at determining the goal. A systematic struggle is not very visible.
          A song about officials
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Atrix
            A song about officials

            Cool! Give me a link! The same in the topic:
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 16 May 2013 18: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Atrix
            But what is the fight against corruption?

            And why do Singaporean officials identify with the starving workers from the DPRK?
            So they don’t answer anything from ours, even the article says about it.
            Here is one episode of how Singapore authorities called for senior officials to account. Wi Tong Bun was Minister of the Ministry of the Environment in 1975 when he traveled to Indonesia with his family. The trip was paid by the contractor who built the housing, the interests of which he represented before public servants. He also received a mansion worth 500 thousand Singapore dollars from this contractor, as well as two loans in the name of his father for a total of 300 thousand Singapore dollars for speculation in the stock market, which were issued under the guarantee of this contractor. He was charged, convicted, and sentenced to four years and six months in prison. He appealed the verdict, but the charge was upheld, although the prison term was reduced to 18 months.
            Where is the cardinal difference from our reality?
            Blowing manure into the ears and heads of a naive reader, of which% 10 of power is here.
            1. Atrix
              Atrix 16 May 2013 18: 31 New
              +7
              Quote: Papakiko
              Quote: Atrix
              But what is the fight against corruption?

              And why do Singaporean officials identify with the starving workers from the DPRK?
              So they don’t answer anything from ours, even the article says about it.
              Here is one episode of how Singapore authorities called for senior officials to account. Wi Tong Bun was Minister of the Ministry of the Environment in 1975 when he traveled to Indonesia with his family. The trip was paid by the contractor who built the housing, the interests of which he represented before public servants. He also received a mansion worth 500 thousand Singapore dollars from this contractor, as well as two loans in the name of his father for a total of 300 thousand Singapore dollars for speculation in the stock market, which were issued under the guarantee of this contractor. He was charged, convicted, and sentenced to four years and six months in prison. He appealed the verdict, but the charge was upheld, although the prison term was reduced to 18 months.
              Where is the cardinal difference from our reality?
              Blowing manure into the ears and heads of a naive reader, of which% 10 of power is here.

              I don’t give a damn what punishments there are lower corruption in Singapore than in Russia and Ukraine. Or is corruption the norm for you? Let’s write everywhere that there is no corruption, or if it is in other countries, let it be the norm? What is the meaning of your appeal to me? Or did I write a lie that officials steal and take bribes? Or are you one of these officials or the son of an official and you are offended that they call everyone by their proper names?
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 16 May 2013 21: 29 New
                -1
                Quote: Atrix
                Or I wrote a lie that officials steal and take bribes

                You will not believe it, but you do not steal and do not take bribes, and you exchange your services with the opportunities in your position for the benefits of the universal. wink
                Or ENDLESS "FIGHT" off-road on the roads.
                They can do the right thing, for example, "the program of 1000 yards" or "reconstruction of container sites" (this is where you dispose of household waste, for removal and disposal at landfills), etc., and so on.
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 16 May 2013 21: 45 New
                  -4
                  Sooooooo I completely forgot about a bunch of enterprises that work THANKS to corruption (at different levels and branches of the executive branch). These enterprises produce raw materials, materials, pay taxes and salaries to employees (the latter, by the way, sometimes get very bad salaries and are not a brother-in-law).
            2. Alekseev
              Alekseev 17 May 2013 13: 35 New
              0
              They, the Singaporean officials, are not different from ours, the approach to them is different from ours! wink
              There they are ..., and here they only grow stronger!
              We have no evidence for them! request
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 16 May 2013 17: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: fortuneophile
        This is not our method, Putin does not give up!

        Quote: lilit.193
        What are you minus? This is the case!

        Yes, you both go to the train station, I apologize. Clung to this stool and full of joy pants. You first hand over yours, and so that you know everything about it, and only then declare. Are you both two ready to plant half of Russia? And where to place them all? To master Siberia? And do not mind throwing money into this dubious "enterprise"?

        Here is a brief summary of the main steps to success in the fight against corruption.

        Compare Singapore with Russia. Well... winked
        1. lilit.193
          lilit.193 16 May 2013 18: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: Alexej
          Yes, both of you go to., I apologize.

          Only after you. For some reason, I am sure that you know those places very well, you have been there more than once. And leave your apologies to yourself.
          Quote: Alexej
          Full pants hooked on this stool.

          It’s not us that Taburetkin’s, but Putin’s hooked, otherwise all this cheerful company would have been in jail.
          Joy is always in the soul. Well, you can only have pants on.
          Quote: Alexej
          You first hand over yours, and so that you know everything about it, and only then state.

          And who is "our"? I have no officials in my family. Some hard workers. And hard workers do not take bribes.
          Quote: Alexej
          Are you two ready to plant half of Russia?

          Do we have half of Russia already bribe takers and thieves?
          Quote: Alexej
          And where to place them all?

          You yourself answered this question:
          Quote: Alexej
          Master Siberia

          And also the Far East, the Kuril Islands and the islands of arctic archipilagos.
          Quote: Alexej
          And do not mind throwing money into this dubious "enterprise"?

          But it’s not a pity. From thieves more loss.
          Quote: Alexej
          Here is a brief summary of the main steps to success in the fight against corruption.

          I did not see either briefly or very briefly.
          Quote: Alexej
          Compare Singapore with Russia.

          They always compare something with something. Only this comparison is not in our favor.

          Quote: lilit.193
          Or maybe here on the site has appeared a fan club of Serdyukov and other corrupt officials and thieves, so they are minus?

          And you are by chance not the chairman of this fan club, Sysoy Armagedonovich? wink
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 17 May 2013 00: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: lilit.193
            And who is "our"? I have no officials in my family. Some hard workers. And hard workers do not take bribes.

            They take another. Who works where he takes. In Soviet times, they were called Nesuna.
          2. Hon
            Hon 17 May 2013 15: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: lilit.193
            And who is "our"? I have no officials in my family. Some hard workers. And hard workers do not take bribes.

            Well ento because they don’t give, we have policemen for the most part from families of hard workers, and they take when they give, and when they don’t give, they knock out)))
            Quote: lilit.193
            Do we have half of Russia already bribe takers and thieves?

            No, of course, these are only those who have the opportunity to steal and take bribes))) In fact, the problem is not that we are such corrupt officials, but that it is already a system, tradition and generally accepted order of things. This is what won in due time in Singapore.
          3. Alexei
            Alexei 17 May 2013 18: 59 New
            0
            Lilith, you are so smart, I’ll save no. Except how to plant did not come up with anything?
            Quote: lilit.193
            I did not see either briefly or very briefly.

            This is me about the article.

            Quote: lilit.193
            Joy is always in the soul. Well, you can only have pants on.

            Well, it happens in the pants. wink Do not you have? belay So that's why you are so angry ... Well, everything is clear.
            Quote: lilit.193
            And who is "our"? I have no officials in my family. Some hard workers. And hard workers do not take bribes.

            What bribes, I beg you? Any sins are good, well, if you're so honest. Good luck to you, dear madam. love
      3. Vasily T.
        Vasily T. 17 May 2013 10: 40 New
        0
        As a teddy bear, I like the power, it is all bent. The shooting moment is successful, modern power is in full view.
    2. Joker
      Joker 16 May 2013 15: 37 New
      16
      This is not our method, Putin does not give up!

      Beat me wink If I wanted to, I would have long ago reduced the level of corruption.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 May 2013 15: 39 New
        13
        Quote: lilit.193

        What are you minus? This is the case!

        They know that this is so, and therefore they minus that there is nothing to say.
        1. lilit.193
          lilit.193 16 May 2013 16: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: lilit.193

          What are you minus? This is the case!

          They know that this is so, and therefore they minus that there is nothing to say.

          Or maybe here on the site has appeared a fan club of Serdyukov and other corrupt officials and thieves, so they are minus? wink
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 16 May 2013 18: 03 New
            +1
            He stole at least once everyone, gave bribes too ..... here either 37 and a handful of wheat for about five years, or sit with his eyes downcast to the floor. And if you want to change something, start with yourself, write to the prosecutor’s office about the attending physician, catch the teacher’s hand, take the traffic cop to the phone, and go to court to the end !!!
            1. Patton5
              Patton5 16 May 2013 19: 33 New
              +1
              Oh minus. probably there is a saint !!! name, for canonization !!!
            2. Atlon
              Atlon 17 May 2013 00: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Patton5
              He stole at least once everyone, gave bribes too ..... here either 37 and a handful of wheat for about five years, or sit with his eyes downcast to the floor. And if you want to change something, start with yourself, write to the prosecutor’s office about the attending physician, catch the teacher’s hand, take the traffic cop to the phone, and go to court to the end !!!

              Now they will stick to you ... In every article about corruption I write the same thing! And every time I rake the cons. But truth is more expensive !!! Greetings to one of the few sane!
              1. Hon
                Hon 17 May 2013 15: 44 New
                0
                Dude, I put you a plus wink
            3. Alekseev
              Alekseev 17 May 2013 13: 41 New
              +1
              It is right!
              You need to start with yourself ...
              But is it not possible that "for a handful of wheat" not five years, but five days of forced labor, and for 5 million five years and confiscation, and for five billion - "rig"?
              Now it’s kind of like the other way around.
              What prevents GDP from rearranging this business?
              1. Hon
                Hon 17 May 2013 15: 46 New
                0
                If you were imprisoned, then you stole a little ...
                Quote: Alekseev
                What prevents GDP from rearranging this business?

                Sponsors will not understand))
          2. Alexei
            Alexei 17 May 2013 22: 18 New
            0
            Quote: lilit.193
            Or maybe here on the site has appeared a fan club of Serdyukov and other corrupt officials and thieves, so they are minus?

            Rather, a fan club of Putiners, well, or Putinoids. As you prefer. You are being denied because you put an end to Putin because of the stool. Partly you are right, our Volodya adjusted, oh, adjusted ... But you must admit that because of some stealing trader, you can sow hatred for the government in the brains of citizens (which you deftly succeed, judging by the pluses), to put it mildly, not smart. What will you achieve? You understand very well that more good is done than bad.
        2. Atlon
          Atlon 16 May 2013 16: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They know that this is so, and therefore they minus that there is nothing to say.

          "Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side" (C)

          Let's play a game ... You are for the President! I am for corrupt officials. Tell HOW would you defeat corruption?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: Atlon
            Let's play a game ...

            Let's.
            Quote: Atlon
            You are for the President! I am for corrupt officials.

            All right.
            Quote: Atlon
            Tell HOW would you defeat corruption?

            I will try. Corruption can only flourish in a sick society that has been imposed on false values. Such a society is called immoral, in this society everyone strives to earn as much as possible, by hook or by crook, no matter what. The main goal in the fight against corruption is the recovery of society by increasing its morality. And then went the tasks that must be solved to achieve this goal. And there are also methods that solve the tasks. This is all from the field of control theory. Speaking of methods. Now there is an undeclared war against Russia. Corruption is one of the methods that our enemies use to destroy Russia. So, in the fight against corruption it is necessary to apply the most stringent methods. These methods are fully available to the FSB. Why doesn’t she use them? This is another question! Probably no team!
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 16 May 2013 17: 45 New
              +4
              Quote: nycsson
              So, in the fight against corruption it is necessary to apply the most stringent methods.

              There are many letters, but there is no sense ... I will not dispute the immorality of our society, you are right. I would like to hear about the "tough measures" that you, as President, would use from tomorrow? For the recovery of society. So?
              1. Atrix
                Atrix 16 May 2013 17: 52 New
                +4
                Quote: Atlon
                I would like to hear about the "tough measures" that you, as President, would use from tomorrow?

                The Siberian governor M. Gagarin was uprooted by order of Peter I, and his corpse was not interred for almost 3 of the year and was taken "on tour" as a warning to other dishonest officials.

                According to the story of Herodotus, in Persia in the VI century. BC e. King Cambyses II ordered the skin of a judge convicted of passing an unjust sentence for a bribe. This leather was upholstered in the chair in which the executed man sat.

                In Sweden, in the Middle Ages, a judge who was convicted of a bribe was chopped off. It is curious that they did not expel him from work.

                In China, public executions of officials are shown on TV. They shoot for a bribe from 1 million yuan (150 thousand dollars). In recent years, more than 10 thousand officials have been executed in the PRC (among them - the vice mayor of Beijing, the former director of the capital's airport, etc.). The property of a corrupt official is confiscated, and his relatives are sent an invoice for 8 yuan (1,2 dollars) for bullets.
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 16 May 2013 18: 04 New
                  -10
                  AtrixHave you seriously written this?
                  1. Atrix
                    Atrix 16 May 2013 18: 17 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Atlon
                    AtrixHave you seriously written this?

                    Did you want to hear about tough measures? I wrote to you. I believe that corruption is the most serious crime in the country, even murder is not so serious. I will explain my opinion and a couple of examples (fictitious). Here is a corrupt official allowed to build a house with violations, this house fell people died. The official allowed to build a plant with environmental violations, people suffer from pollution and children are ill. An official stole money from a budget for medicine; a couple of children died. The Minister of Defense robbed and concluded corruption deals, the country's defense capability suffers.
                    So for corruption there should be cruel punishments for bribe takers from the middle link and above. It would be my will, I would plant a wife / husband, children and parents for raising such a person along with a bribe taker
                    So yes i'm serious
                    1. Atlon
                      Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 08 New
                      0
                      I wanted to hear what YOU PERSONALLY do, be the president. Do you seriously think that you would be allowed to hang someone or tear off your skin? belay
                  2. nycsson
                    nycsson 16 May 2013 18: 55 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Atrix, did you seriously write this?

                    Have you seriously asked? What is not clear to you?
                    1. Atlon
                      Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 09 New
                      -2
                      Quote: nycsson
                      Have you seriously asked? What is not clear to you?

                      It is not clear what PERSONALLY YOU would do as president. There are many critics, real ideas are ZERO.
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 16 May 2013 18: 33 New
                +1
                Quote: Atlon
                I would like to hear about the "tough measures" that you, as President, would use from tomorrow? For the recovery of society. So?

                1. For starters, the media must be returned to the state, under the total control of the Ministry of Culture! Stalin at one time personally controlled them. To figure out the Internet: do you want to see the porn, enter your passport details, or your driver’s license number, another document that proves that you are 18 years old, or even 20! Or some action movie that washes our brains of our youth.
                2. Alcohol and tobacco. I do not know which factor adversely affects morality, the media or alcohol with tobacco, therefore, let this rubbish be in second place. I hope you do not need to explain how it affects the psyche and consciousness of a person. In the fight against them, it is necessary to apply state-controlled media, i.e. Do not advertise pads with tampons on the first and second channels, but a healthy lifestyle, exercise and the dangers of alcohol and tobacco. By the way, it has long been proven that the income from the sale of excise taxes on alcohol and tobacco is much lower than the losses of the state from alcohol consumption by the population. Check out Zhdanov’s lectures on Pravda.ru.
                3. Competently pursue a personnel policy. This is in the direct competence of the President of the Russian Federation, according to the Constitution, I do not remember the article.
                4. Give the FSB, Economic Crime Control, etc. broad powers, "untie" them from the courts. Those. at the slightest suspicion of corruption, they take you for wiretapping, viewing, etc. without a court order. In the USA it is!
                5. To stop reading cardboard boxes, otherwise a bad impression is created ......
                Here are the basic measures!
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 13 New
                  -2
                  1. Necessary, I agree. Question: HOW? WHAT SPECIFICLY will you do for this?

                  2. NOBODY and NEVER could by forbidden measures solve the issues of drunkenness and smoking, including Stalin.

                  3. What does "competently" mean? HOW WOULD YOU PERSONALLY do it? Who was appointed and where?

                  4. USA is a bad example ... Besides, such powers are likely to lead to abuse. Moreover, they repress you for the fact that a "foreign" place in the parking lot was taken, and not the governor or mayor

                  5. I will not comment on this at all, because I do not taste how this affects the level of corruption in the country.
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 16 May 2013 22: 54 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Atlon
                    1. Necessary, I agree. Question: HOW? WHAT SPECIFICLY will you do for this?

                    To do this, they need to be nationalized, i.e. transfer to state ownership. Or at least adopt a law that will strictly control airtime and the material that they post.
                    Quote: Atlon
                    2. NOBODY and NEVER could by forbidden measures solve the issues of drunkenness and smoking, including Stalin.

                    What are you? Just Stalin did it. I repeat: look at Zhdanov's lecture, it is clearly said there.
                    Quote: Atlon
                    3. What does "competently" mean? HOW WOULD YOU PERSONALLY do it? Who was appointed and where?

                    Competently - this means that the position must be appointed for merit, and not on the basis of clanism and kinship. To do this, use the Institute of Statistics. Example: a person held a certain position at a certain level of state or municipal government for a certain amount of time. Statisticians several times a year remove the economic indicators of this organization or institution of power, and if these indicators are growing, then this leader is pulling this position and is worthy of being appointed to a higher position, and if not, it means a kick in the ass.
                    Quote: Atlon
                    In addition, such powers are likely to lead to abuse.

                    Abuses and total corruption were precisely the result of the absence of such powers.
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Moreover, they repress you for the fact that a "foreign" place in the parking lot was taken, and not the governor or mayor

                    And where is the place? Do not steal and no one represses you!
                    Quote: Atlon
                    5. I will not comment on this at all, because I do not taste how this affects the level of corruption in the country.

                    And you will not "taste"! Directly. A person who is in control of the situation in his place, i.e. in his area of ​​expertise does not read cardboard boxes! Draw your own conclusions ........
                    1. Atlon
                      Atlon 16 May 2013 23: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: nycsson
                      To do this, they need to be nationalized, i.e. transfer to state ownership.

                      And also to capture bridges, mail, telegraph ... And then plunge the country into the bloody chaos of the civil war ... Passed ...

                      Quote: nycsson
                      What are you? Just Stalin did it.

                      Really? Under Stalin, did not sell vodka and cigarettes?


                      Quote: nycsson
                      Competently - this means that the position must be appointed for merit, and not on the basis of clanism and kinship. To do this, use the Institute of Statistics.

                      Where ratings will be traded, as advanced degrees ...

                      Quote: nycsson
                      Abuses and total corruption were precisely the result of the absence of such powers.

                      What are you saying?! And there we have sleepwalkers? Crystal clear, and not using their official position?

                      Quote: nycsson
                      And where is the place? Do not steal and no one represses you!

                      "There would be a man, but there is an article!" (FROM)

                      Quote: nycsson
                      And you will not "taste"! Directly. A person who is in control of the situation in his place, i.e. in his area of ​​expertise does not read cardboard boxes! Draw your own conclusions ........

                      You do not know WHAT is written THERE. Probably just theses, points so as not to forget. And how much can you write on those "cardboard boxes"? I do not know what you saw there, Putin NEVER reads from a piece of paper. It is checked sometimes, just so as not to forget about the points.
              3. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 16 May 2013 22: 03 New
                +4
                Quote: Atlon
                I would like to hear about the "tough measures" that you, as President, would use from tomorrow?
                The arrest of Serdyukov.
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 14 New
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                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  The arrest of Serdyukov.

                  Base? Your personal dislike?
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 16 May 2013 22: 44 New
                    +2
                    Well, if you are asking me a question in this way, then his being at large can only be called someone's personal affection.
                  2. Normal
                    Normal 16 May 2013 22: 57 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Base? Your personal dislike?

                    1. The results of the investigation of numerous thefts in the subordinate structures.
                    2. Decrease in combat readiness of the Armed Forces due to transfer to the brigade system. Although he probably didn’t come up with this himself, someone must answer. He was the conductor of this reform with him and the demand.

                    Well, I’d start the fight against corruption directly with a comprehensive audit of Pavel Khmelnitsky’s activities and sources of income - nickname Atlon. Solely out of personal hostility. laughing
                    1. nycsson
                      nycsson 16 May 2013 23: 11 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Normal
                      Well, I’d start the fight against corruption directly with a comprehensive audit of Pavel Khmelnitsky’s activities and sources of income - nickname Atlon. Solely out of personal hostility.

                      Join us! laughing
                  3. nycsson
                    nycsson 16 May 2013 23: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Base?

                    And you have little reason? Just don't refer to our "justice"!
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    his freedom is no other than personal affection.

                    That's for sure! Not in an eyebrow, but in a voice! good hi
                    1. Atlon
                      Atlon 16 May 2013 23: 33 New
                      0
                      Quote: Normal
                      1. The results of the investigation of numerous thefts in the subordinate structures.

                      I have not seen the results yet ... The investigation has already been completed ?! belay

                      Quote: Normal
                      2. Decrease in combat readiness of aircraft due to transfer to the brigade system

                      Are you an expert in the field of combat readiness of troops ?! belay

                      Quote: Normal
                      Well, I’d start the fight against corruption directly with a comprehensive audit of Pavel Khmelnitsky’s activities and sources of income - nickname Atlon. Solely out of personal hostility

                      I totally agree with you! As well as all the others writing here about hanging, peeling off skin and chopping off hands, for bribery, nepotism, creeping out of service, evading the Army, receiving fake certificates, undergoing MOT for money, household theft, including production, tax evasion , illegal business and many other sins and sins! wink
                      1. Normal
                        Normal 17 May 2013 00: 05 New
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                        Quote: Atlon
                        The investigation has already been completed ?!

                        We have boxed anasha before the trial in jail. And by the amount of theft as a result of orders signed by Serdyukov to sit and sit before the trial and after, especially since being free he has the opportunity to put pressure on the investigation and witnesses.
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Are you an expert in the field of combat readiness of troops ?!

                        And what, in order to understand - the lack of military medicine directly in the troops negatively affects the combat effectiveness of units, you need to be an expert? In this case, I’m an expert - I served in the medical battalion

                        As well as all other writers

                        Why on earth? I don’t have a personal dislike for everyone who writes laughing
                      2. Atlon
                        Atlon 17 May 2013 00: 30 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Normal
                        Why on earth? I don’t have a personal dislike for everyone who writes

                        Key point ... Do you admit that the law is not the same for everyone? For those to whom you have a personal dislike of the law is one, and for those to whom you have no dislike - another? And for relatives, probably the third ... That's what I'm trying to drum into all of you, in every topic about corruption, undeservedly grabbing the minuses ... For if I wrote that Serdyukov needs to be skinned, they probably would have taught pluses! Kindergarten ... You are ready to crucify anyone for whom you have a personal dislike, and you absolutely do not want to turn on your head. But you, with your statements, are as much a potential corrupt official as many righteously indignant here! And the fact that you did not appear as a corrupt official is not your merit, but only the merit of the circumstances that did not allow you to distribute "benefits." In general, I will stop the polemic, it does not lead to constructiveness. Give more cons for this post, and your PERSONAL fight against corruption will be considered successful! But you just can't understand that I do not justify and do not defend, not corruption, not corrupt officials! I just ask you to answer everyone, to yourself: Before yelling "Crucify him!", Think, do you have a moral right to this?
                      3. Normal
                        Normal 17 May 2013 06: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Do you admit that the law is not the same for everyone?

                        Isn't it obvious? And I have no reason to "confess", I do not defend thieves.
                        Quote: Atlon
                        For those to whom you have a personal dislike of the law, one, and for those to whom there is no dislike, the other? And for relatives, probably the third ...

                        No, the law should be the same for everyone. But I would start with you because you are shifting from a bad mind to a healthy one and it is you who protect corrupt officials, therefore, from among them
                        Quote: Atlon
                        But you, with your statements, are as potential a corrupt official as many righteously indignant here!

                        Ah well done! If you speak out FOR the fight against corruption, then in your opinion-a corrupt official, and if AGAINST, then clean and honest. Ah, well done!
                        Quote: Atlon
                        ! But you just can't understand that I do not justify and do not defend, not corruption, not corrupt officials! I just ask you to answer everyone, to yourself: Before yelling "Crucify him!", Think, do you have a moral right to this?

                        I can understand everything. It is you who defend and justify corruption of the bureaucracy by the fact that someone rested on toilet paper.
                        You perfectly understand that my presence, for example, of a runny nose, hemorrhoids and flat feet is not a sufficient basis for refusing isolation and compulsory treatment of patients with open tuberculosis, syphilis and leprosy. Nevertheless, you are on the side of the latter.
                        And if we talk about "moral right", then what can the president say at all after he declares that spending a couple of billions is not a crime?
                        Key note ...

                        And for the rest, nothing to say?
                      4. Atlon
                        Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 04 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Normal
                        But I would start with you because you are shifting from a sick mind to a healthy one and it is you who protect corrupt officials, therefore, from among them

                        Bravo! laughing
                        So far, in our society such Schwonders will be present, with such uncomplicated logical conclusions, until then, well, NO way back to the 37th year! Only give this will, they will break the firewood ... And it seems that they will start for a just cause, and they will finish by selecting alien living space for themselves and their relatives ...

                        Quote: Normal
                        Ah well done! If you speak out FOR the fight against corruption, then in your opinion-a corrupt official, and if AGAINST, then clean and honest. Ah, well done!

                        Hmm ... And you are dumber than you seemed ... Sad. I’ll try to chew, especially for you. It’s not a matter of utterance, but of the proposed ILLEGAL methods! And lawlessness is corruption. Show me at least one of my posts, where am I against the fight against corruption? You confuse or deliberately substitute concepts that also characterize you as a dishonorable person, and therefore potentially prone to corruption. I don’t know what you are doing now, but I wouldn’t want you to become any significant official.
                      5. Normal
                        Normal 18 May 2013 12: 56 New
                        0
                        Quote: Atlon
                        So far, in our society such Schwonders will be present

                        Rude is not beautiful.

                        Quote: Atlon
                        with such straightforward logical conclusions,

                        Again, rudeness, veiled by intellectual intellectualization.

                        Quote: Atlon
                        .. And you are dumber than you seemed ...

                        Already frank rudeness ...

                        Quote: Atlon
                        . I’ll try to chew, especially for you

                        And again...

                        Quote: Atlon
                        which also characterizes you as a dishonorable person, and therefore potentially prone to corruption.

                        Quote: Atlon
                        Already wrote that he considered you smarter, disappointed.

                        And so as not to give cause for accusations of quarrelsomeness and provoking srach on the forum, I will write the answer to your false statements, rudeness and demagogy in PM.
                    2. Atlon
                      Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: Normal
                      And for the rest, nothing to say?

                      You are right, nothing. Already wrote that he considered you smarter, disappointed.
                  4. Alekseev
                    Alekseev 17 May 2013 19: 16 New
                    0
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Before yelling "Crucify him!", Think, but do you have a moral right to this?

                    Your postulate is true in form, but inside rotten. Idealism in modern society.
                    Here we need a different principle: "every bull carries his own eggs" and a rotten excuse: everyone around is stealing, taking bribes and I could not resist rolling.
                    Did he steal money, take bribes? "Become a blood viper against the wall" laughing as M.Nagulnov used to say from Sholokhov’s unforgettable novel.
                    And there is nothing to blame on Abramovich.
                  5. aksakal
                    aksakal 18 May 2013 01: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Key point ... Do you admit that the law is not the same for everyone? For those to whom you have a personal dislike of the law, one, and for those to whom there is no dislike, the other? And for relatives, probably the third ... That's what I'm trying to hammer into all of you, in every topic about corruption, undeservedly grabbing the minuses ..

                    - Athlone, hollow, hollow laughing And new ones come and you start to peck them again. Yesterday, again, one appeared, Russia, they say, under Putin began and now lives EXCLUSIVELY due to high oil prices laughing That is, how many copies were broken on this topic, it seems that they have already found the truth - no, a new one appears, again on a new one, and most importantly, this one has a bunch of pluses.
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Before yelling "Crucify him!", Think, but do you have a moral right to this?

                    - let people let out some steam here laughing Maybe in real life they won’t do it. laughing If Schwonder had the opportunity to let off steam on the Internet, he would hardly have landed in Preobrazhensky in real life laughing
              4. Alekseev
                Alekseev 17 May 2013 13: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Atlon
                I have not seen the results yet ... The investigation has already been completed ?! belay

                To see and hear, too, can only "have ears", ie, the one who wants to understand.
                . And so .. Here one freaking young man asked not so long ago: what bad did Serdyukov do? belay (the sergeant was still a minister)
                There are obvious things and there is no need to "drive the fool".
                If only to provoke opponents.
            2. Atlon
              Atlon 16 May 2013 23: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: nycsson
              And you have little reason? Just don't refer to our "justice"!

              Personally, I have not a single reason, except that I do not like his mug, and my conjectures that PROBABLY he is a thief. I will not refer to justice, as asked, but I will remind you: "No one can be found guilty otherwise than by a court verdict!"
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 17 May 2013 10: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Atlon
                "No one can be found guilty otherwise than by a court verdict!"

                Of course you're right. Especially if you have a court under the heel. I simply can’t find any other explanation!
      2. captain dvv
        captain dvv 17 May 2013 13: 38 New
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        1. The dismissal of the head of the UK, the prosecutor's office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        The resignation of the government and the Supreme Court.
        2. The appointment of new heads of ministries, for example Stepashin - the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Delyagin and Boldarev - the Government.
        3. Dissolution of the Duma with snap parliamentary elections without Churov. Introducing new laws criminalizing corruption.
        4. Presidential inquiry to the prosecutor's office about the case of prosecutors, theft in preparation for the Summit in Vladivostok, the Olympics, a public investigation into the Serdyukov case, a request for an investigation as it turned out that the state exports our oil and gas through the state Timchenko and Rottenberg, etc.
        5. A public investigation into Salier’s case against Putin.
        6. And finally, the most important thing. - A public investigation into the privatization process in the nineties.
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 16 May 2013 18: 07 New
      -4
      These methods are fully available to the FSB.

      The KGB was waiting for the command and did not wait for the USSR and broke up, and the oath to defend from internal enemies remained just words. And now when you already know that corruption is one of the controls and political pressure of "our friends" (for accusations of corruption and for accusations of political persecution), you propose to start with the consequences, it may end badly for the country.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 May 2013 18: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Ivan.
        it may end badly for the country.

        Bad for the country will end when the people take the pitchfork in their hands. And in order not to be taken, measures must be taken, especially in the fight against corruption.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: nycsson
          And in order not to be taken, measures must be taken, especially in the fight against corruption.

          Corruption is undoubtedly evil ... But how does it bother you personally? What would the pitchfork take?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 May 2013 23: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Atlon
            But how does it bother you personally?

            To be honest, this is a stupid question! Corruption affects all aspects of the life of the population in the country. In the social sphere, in education, medicine or any branch of the economy. It is unfortunate that you do not understand this!
            Quote: Atlon
            What would the pitchfork take?

            I did not understand the question. Decrypt.
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 16 May 2013 23: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: nycsson
              To be honest, this is a stupid question!

              Probably...

              Quote: nycsson
              Corruption affects all aspects of the life of the population in the country. In the social sphere, in education, medicine or any branch of the economy.

              You are undoubtedly right!

              Quote: nycsson
              I did not understand the question. Decrypt.

              Yes ... Probably incomprehensibly wrote, hence your comments. I'll try to decrypt.
              Everyone knows that corruption is evil, everyone loves to potryndet on this topic, it interferes with everyone. The question is this (since you promised that the people will take up the pitchfork): All of the above evil is very ephemeral and cannot be felt. And in order to "take the pitchfork", you need to STEP on a corn INDIVIDUALLY. So I ask, you INDIVIDUALLY, what does corruption interfere with? Well there: do they demand a bribe from you? Rights infringed? Only specifically, not in general terms. I understand that corruption is evil, and that it slows down development, but just take a pitchfork and go to kill the governor, I have no special reason, except for a feeling of personal hostility, and the thought that he is PROBABLY a thief. This is not enough.
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 17 May 2013 10: 56 New
                0
                Quote: Atlon
                (since you promised that the people will take up the pitchfork)

                Well, you’ve gone too far. I did not promise, but suggested. Who am I to promise such things.
                Quote: Atlon
                So I ask you INDIVIDUALLY what prevents corruption?

                A strange question, in my opinion I already explained this to you in a previous post.
                Corruption for me personallyо reduces the level of provided state and municipal services. And directly affects MY standard of living, wherever I go. Everywhere they demand a bribe: medicine, education (now I am studying at the magistracy, I have seen enough of this, my hair is on end), professional activity, etc.
              2. Atlon
                Atlon 17 May 2013 11: 44 New
                -1
                Quote: nycsson
                Everywhere they demand a bribe:

                How many applications have you written to the prosecutor? And what is the percentage of bribes you have given out of the number of required?
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 16 May 2013 23: 20 New
        +2
        Bad for the country will end when the people take the pitchfork in their hands. And in order not to be taken, measures must be taken, especially in the fight against corruption.

        Neither you, nor those who plus you do not want to understand that corruption is only a consequence and to fight the investigation means to fight with windmills. I didn’t hear that corruption would be an occasion to pick up a pitchfork somewhere. And if the pitchforks were taken, then those who controlled this corruption were behind it, starting from Pugachev’s uprising and before the color revolutions.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 17 May 2013 00: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Ivan.
          Neither you, nor those who plus you do not want to understand that corruption is only a consequence and to fight the investigation means to fight with windmills.

          Pretty boy!!! Plus you, definitely! The lowest level of corruption was (if ever) under the dictatorship of the proletariat. And not at all because of the fear of responsibility. The idea was just different. Not about making money. All countries and peoples, of all times of the "developed civilization" were, are and will be CORRUPT! The person DOES NOT WANT to work, but wants to receive. A society can be absolutely free from corruption only under communism. But since communism is not possible (precisely because a person DOES NOT WANT to work) corruption will ALWAYS be.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 17 May 2013 11: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Ivan.
          And if the pitchforks were taken, then those who controlled this corruption were behind it, starting from Pugachev’s uprising and before the color revolutions.

          Perhaps I agree! hi
  • itkul
    itkul 16 May 2013 17: 51 New
    +5
    Quote: Atlon
    Let's play a game ... You are for the President! I am for corrupt officials. Tell HOW would you defeat corruption?


    It’s possible, taken from here

    http://russkiy-malchik.livejournal.com/313717.html?thread=13471093

    The dream of our emotional professionally patriotic civic activists. True Putin and the leader of the nation are in a straight line.

    - Vladimir Vladimirovich, when will you finally jail Serdyukov? And why does Vasilyeva write poetry, being not "in the depths of Siberian ores", but in a luxurious apartment?
    - To shoot Serdyukov. His accomplices - for life. Vasiliev - in the Gulag. Which, by the way, are being reborn in Russia. The 37th year begins.

    - Why are our roads bad? It's a shame!
    - I agree. Tomorrow we will do all the roads at the level of the German autobahns. The day after tomorrow will rebuild the railway line as in Japan.

    - Did Kudrin offer jobs in power?
    - No. But he pestered me and does not give me a pass: let me work, let me work, I want to carry out the Gaidar reforms ... I could not stand it and ordered to shoot Kudrin ... uh-uh, wait ... I was wrong - put him down in the gulag.

    - And Chubais ?! Chubais when plant-shoot? ..
    - Already done. Anatoly Borisovich has just been arrested and is awaiting his fate.

    - When to dissolve the government? It has been working for a whole year! It's time to fire!
    - Yes, the year is more than enough. The government is fired, Medvedev is arrested. He turned out to be a traitor.

    - Why is the restriction of entry for migrants from Central Asia introduced only from 2015? We are already tired of these chocks!
    “I understand you.” Tomorrow a complete ban on entry for all migrant workers. Chock - in cars and in 24 hours to withdraw from the country. Those who will hide, catch with the help of Russian citizens. If they resist, destroy on the spot.

    - When will Russia get off the oil and gas needle? How long!
    - Everything, we get down. Rosneft and Gazprom dismiss, we do not sell resources abroad. We distribute them to the citizens of Russia in a bucket and balloon.

    - WTO kills agriculture! What to do?
    - Sorry, it was my mistake. Today I am issuing a decree on withdrawal from the WTO. At the same time, we are withdrawing from all international economic unions and lowering the "iron curtain". From now on, we are on our own, build and live on our own.

    - Why so expensive gasoline? Venezuela is much cheaper!
    - To blame. From now on, we are tying the price of gasoline to the Venezuelan standard.

    - The increase in salaries for doctors did not actually take place. Where is the promised money?
    - Governors detain and plunder. They are all arrested and already punished. Money is transferred to your accounts, taking into account compensation for the delay. Sorry.

    - My housing bills have grown catastrophically.
    - I know. The perpetrators have already been punished. Without trial and investigation. This is our new principle. Troikas travel around the country and react with lightning speed to complaints from citizens.

    - When will the time change?
    - Which way?
    - It doesn’t matter, the main thing is to be comfortable.
    - I agree. From now on, such a time is introduced in Russia that is convenient for everyone. Everyone let him live according to his own time. And everyone will be happy.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 16 May 2013 18: 08 New
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      itkulAre you a hochmach too?

      That's all the strategists were blown away ... Putin is bad, Putin is not doing anything! And as you ask, what would you do? And there is nothing to answer ... Therefore, I will repeat it for the fourth time: "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side!"(C)
    2. Stas
      Stas 16 May 2013 20: 53 New
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      Excellent, with humor and in fact !!! You +++++
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 16 May 2013 17: 54 New
    -1
    I know how, but only the villagers and workers will support me. Recently I met a Moscow teacher of some institute, this is not his main job but a hobby, as he puts it, it became interesting to see the salary figure since he works like a pastime, 100 thousand. rub. And understandably not enough "to go to a restaurant at least 15 pieces" and he does not come out of them, well, further in the same spirit.
    So the "intelligentsia" will not support me, and the rest have no power and opportunities. Stratification into gentlemen and workers ...
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 16 May 2013 18: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Ivan.
      I know how,

      Share, don't be shy!
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 16 May 2013 19: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Atlon
        Quote: Ivan.
        I know how,

        Share, don't be shy!

        At least a month or even six months for familiarization and personnel changes, processing of strategic information is now unavailable, etc.
        If I omit numerous and different details, I would forbid the exploitation of man by man, private banking, would abolish the election of any officials with the obligatory possibility of dismissing them, attracting them at the request of the population and appointing them at his own request, would nationalize all resources (natural, industrial, scientific, educational ...) countries without exception, introduced liability for officials adequate to the damage caused, would simplify the lives of private traders personally producing and selling their products (with the creation of we have government stores and trading floors from which they can do this legally or give them for sale or purchase at fair prices), take complete control of the media, prohibit them from broadcasting after 24 and until 6 in the morning (except the Internet) and in general there is a complete overhaul , would introduce a planned economy supplemented by small and flexible production of labor collectives to which all that is needed is not to interfere further in this spirit. There are no equal people, but equal starting opportunities can be provided, and most importantly, people are puzzled by the question of why they live. It seems that he knows that it’s not by bread alone, he seems to guess that blind faith will not save anything from anything, but what a person is and why he doesn’t reveal science or religion. It is unlikely that these crumbs can understand what I mean, but you can try if you try.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 16 May 2013 21: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Ivan.
          At least a month or even six months

          Yavlinsky, Gaidar, Trotsky, Princes, Kings, Emperors and many, many others with the same words and slogans rushed in all directions.
          There is no need to abuse the reading of "Capital" or "Three from the Forest" - a cycle of books by Yuri Nikitin about the adventures of three neurons, expelled from their tribe, living in a dense forest.
          Or do you have "contracted" supplies from the Chuiskaya Dalyna?
          You can offer your option. wink

          People are not cars and robots, they will not be guided by conscience, honesty and modesty.
          For me personally, these three definitions pretty much do not allow me to live "Like cheese in butter".
          Most say the saying: Where conscience was ... grew up. So it will be necessary after the amputation of conscience for the rest of my life to shake with a vacuum.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 16 May 2013 21: 53 New
            0
            Most say the saying: Where conscience was ... grew

            I don’t think so, but answer from your point of view, are they born that way or are they raised like that?
            People are not cars and robots, they will not be guided by conscience, honesty and modesty

            Something I did not hear about cars with a conscience.
            For me personally, these three definitions pretty much do not allow me to live "Like cheese in butter"

            So scum them and become a true member of the consumer society.
            Yavlinsky, Gaidar, Trotsky, Princes, Kings, Emperors and many, many others with the same words and slogans rushed in all directions.

            So not all the gold that glitters, their motivation, like Zhirinovsky’s, is to grab everything and more.
            There is no need to abuse the reading of "Capital" or "Three from the Forest" - a cycle of books by Yuri Nikitin about the adventures of three neurons, expelled from their tribe, living in a dense forest.
            Or do you have "contracted" supplies from the Chuiskaya Dalyna?

            Well, since you are comparing, you have read, I have not read this.
            I know teachers who live in 2-3 level Euro-houses and ride in four-wheel drive carts.

            Did you write this out of envy?
        2. Atlon
          Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: Ivan.
          If I omit numerous and different details, I would forbid the exploitation of man by man, private banking, would abolish the election of any officials with the obligatory possibility of dismissing them, attracting them at the request of the population and appointing them at his own request, would nationalize all resources (natural, industrial, scientific, educational ...) countries without exception

          You would have completed your activity exactly one week later, with a bullet in your head ... And your successor, would have canceled everything that you taught.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 16 May 2013 22: 35 New
            -1
            You would have completed your activity exactly one week later, with a bullet in your head ... And your successor, would have canceled everything that you taught.

            I forgot only to indicate how many years it will take. And you were not careful:
            At least a month or even six months for familiarization and personnel changes, processing of strategic information is now unavailable, etc.

            Do not consider me a suicide.
            Then I brought strategic goals that I would set for myself.
            No one can know what he will do in a new place at once, most likely it is "routine", familiarization, study, acquaintances, trips.
            It is unlikely that these crumbs can understand what I mean, but you can try if you try.

            You did not try to understand.
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 17 May 2013 00: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Ivan.
              Do not consider me a suicide.

              All this is correct and beautiful ... Only this is a theory. About the bullet in my head, I probably got excited ... But practice, you will quickly remove the pink glasses.
              The president is by no means omnipotent, and if they don’t shoot you, they will do a lot of problems, such as:
              1. Workers' strikes
              2. Sabotage your orders
              3. Popular "outrage"
              4. Direct sabotage, destruction and plunder of nationalized assets
              5. Collusion with Western "friends" and a bunch of color revolutions
              6. The spread of the country and the parade of sovereignty
              7. Attempts to remove from power, including physical
              8. Compromising and misinformation (abroad will help them!)
              9. The collapse of the vertical and horizontal power
              10. Civil war

              This is just what came to mind offhand ...

              pysy
              By the way, something from this list suits Putin too ... Does this mean that he is stepping on some eggs to some people?
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. 17 May 2013 01: 22 New
                +1
                I can add to the list and rose-colored glasses are superfluous here and about "the President is not almighty" I understand perfectly well and I am not in a hurry with accusations, but there are differences, I have less connections - obligations. Until I get into the situation, there can be no question of any concrete actions until the consequences for years to come, both inside the country and outside, are calculated. I didn’t write in detail because it’s impossible. Only a scanty amount of reliable information reaches us, we will not orientate ourselves on it.
                Does this mean that he is stepping on some eggs to some people?

                Without our help, he can’t make a breakthrough and time is precious. There is safety in numbers.
              2. Atlon
                Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 10 New
                0
                Quote: Ivan.
                Without our help, he can’t make a breakthrough and time is precious. There is safety in numbers.

                Well, what am I talking about? And they put me cons! Here they scream, around corruption! Don’t come on! Extorting? To the prosecutor’s office! No ... It’s better to shout here, but to put it into your paw very quietly, it’s also easier, you don’t need to strain ... Let the president plow and let us screw in the lights in the entrance! And we will dig them again and yell that Putin brought the country, it is dark and pissing in the porches!
                Plus to you, one more adequate here, from very few (when questions concern corruption).
              3. Ivan.
                Ivan. 17 May 2013 14: 30 New
                0
                I told you you are not attentive and confused me with strategists, I also grabbed the minuses for the same reason.
  • Papakiko
    Papakiko 16 May 2013 18: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Ivan.
    clearly not enough "to go to a restaurant at least 15 pieces"

    I know teachers who live in 2-3 level Euro-houses and ride in four-wheel drive carts.
    Students have their asses torn during the delivery of work and are struggling for academic performance.
    I hope you thought that theses, lectures at foreign institutes !?
    I'm upset.
    There are no lectures by foreigners, no dissertations or honorary titles.

    The scheme is simple: Material is underserved and students require knowledge that they have not been given. Each possibility of retaking is from 4000 to 10. In each group, 000-1 people really know and drag the item, and the rest rustle in cash.

    Hallelujah.
  • DPN
    DPN 16 May 2013 19: 56 New
    0
    So Chubais achieved this, the goal was achieved. He fulfilled the order of the states, and gentlemen the people will not understand. So how Putin will hand them over to us is not possible. Until Singapore, we spank 100 years more. When the government is saturated with its power, but far away.
  • Hon
    Hon 17 May 2013 15: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Atlon
    Let's play a game ... You are for the President! I am for corrupt officials. Tell HOW would you defeat corruption?

    Being in the public service I realized that our current president, then the prime minister, is not a crystal-clear honest person. You wrote that you need to start with yourself, but he obviously doesn’t succeed.
  • Hon
    Hon 17 May 2013 15: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Atlon
    Let's play a game ... You are for the President! I am for corrupt officials. Tell HOW would you defeat corruption?

    At the very least, I would start picking up people in leading posts in the honesty and decency of which I have no doubt, and would get rid without hesitation of those whose decency I doubt. I mean not landings and executions, but a simple dismissal from office. If you want to ride a Bentley, let them go to business.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 16 May 2013 16: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    They know that this is so, and therefore they minus that there is nothing to say.

    Hello! That's for sure! good
    Quote: lilit.193
    Or maybe here on the site has appeared a fan club of Serdyukov and other corrupt officials and thieves, so they are minus?

    I don’t know how Serdyukov’s fan club is, but there’s definitely GDP!
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 16 May 2013 17: 20 New
    +3
    Why not. I don't like it when they try to simplify everything and despite the fact that I would also like to say "This is not our method, Putin does not give up his own!" I will not say because there is a "dark forest" and there can be no unequivocal opinion. Many years ago I read that there is a secret agreement between Putin and our "friends" that oil cannot cost less than $ 100 and that it is what Putin promised, I don’t know, but I know that this vile policy of hiding real goals, agreements, details is the rule , therefore it is called - behind the scenes.
    There would be a ban on conducting any negotiations in secret from the people, many problems would be removed and preferably all over the world.
  • domokl
    domokl 16 May 2013 15: 42 New
    +6
    Quote: Joker
    If I wanted to, I would have long ago reduced the level of corruption.

    It would have long been already solemnly buried in Red Square. Putin is a scout and understands that the cavalry will not work now .. Now you need to return the money to the country and not fall under distribution
  • Atlon
    Atlon 16 May 2013 16: 39 New
    -6
    Quote: Joker
    Ahead of me If I wanted to, I would have long ago reduced the level of corruption.

    "Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side" (C)
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 16 May 2013 16: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Atlon
      "Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side" (C)

      The third time write, Pasha, stuck?
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 16 May 2013 17: 02 New
        -3
        Quote: Uncle
        The third time write, Pasha, stuck?

        No, it didn't bother me, these "strategists" we got divorced like uncut dogs! But put ANY of them in the place of the President, I think they would immediately put their language in one place!
        1. fortunophile
          fortunophile 16 May 2013 17: 04 New
          +7
          Quote: Atlon
          But put ANY of them in the place of the President, I think I would immediately put the language in one place!

          You are mistaken, on the contrary, in the position of the President it is necessary to hide this "one place" from many languages wink
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: fortuneophile
            You are mistaken, on the contrary, in the position of the President it is necessary to hide this "one place" from many languages

            Pretty boy!!! Speaking right!!! good hi
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Atlon
          No, it didn't bother me, these "strategists" we got divorced like uncut dogs!

          It’s a pity that the President is not a strategist!
          Quote: Atlon
          But put ANY of them in the place of the President, I think I would immediately put the language in one place!

          Everyone must solve their problems. His people put him in the post of head of state, through elections, even if he serves the people, as it is written in the Constitution!
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 16 May 2013 17: 47 New
            -3
            Quote: nycsson
            It’s a pity that the President is not a strategist!

            But here - every second!

            Quote: nycsson
            . His people put him in the post of head of state, through elections, even if he serves the people, as it is written in the Constitution!

            He does this! And who is blind, that is necessary to the optometrist!
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 May 2013 18: 35 New
              +4
              Quote: Atlon
              But here - every second!

              But it should be the other way around!
              Quote: Atlon
              And who is blind, that is necessary to the optometrist!

              So go, who's stopping ?!
          2. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 16 May 2013 17: 51 New
            +6
            This is a fundamental mistake. Everyone climbs into power not to serve, but to serve him. And the higher the power, the more minions. At the top of power is autocracy. This vertical is built by corruption. Question? how will corruption fight corruption? There was a mafia. The fight can only be radical. The overthrow of this system and the return of the state to state (i.e., people's) property, everything that was brazenly seized and plundered by the greasy oligarchs and shitty rulers. Everything that is on the earth, in the earth and under the earth is the property of the state. Otherwise, we will see what we saw. For example. Taburetkin and Chubais. for us crooks have nowhere to put a stamp for their outright crimes before the state and people. And for the authorities, these are the heroes of the discoverers. Without honor and without conscience, the standard of the gods who created a paradise for themselves on earth.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 16 May 2013 20: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Atlon
          No, it didn't bother me, these "strategists" we got divorced like uncut dogs! But put ANY of them in the place of the President, I think they would immediately put their language in one place!

          What prevents the president from fighting corruption ??
          Just that he is connected with this evil !!
          Gather friends and relatives around them and turn a blind eye to corruption !!
          How to fight ?? And at least as well as in Sigapur !!
          Create a bureau that would be maintained at the highest level and not interfere with them !!
          In the case of the opposition, the president is very active, and when it is necessary to punish a corrupt official, he believes that the court should decide))) A * court * - this already understands that you need to close your eyes !!
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 16 May 2013 20: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            Create a bureau that would be maintained at the highest level and not interfere with them !!

            Another "pioneer" arrived in the regiment of the naive.
            For example, to form a corps of "Latvian riflemen" or "Georgian dancers" and let them "cut down" for the light-righteous-sacred, right?
            Slovaks in the HARRY years of the Revolution, more than one kilogram of state gold was exported from Russia. They also fought against revolutionary corruption.
            wink
            It’s not you (visitors to the VO website) who invented corruption and it’s not for you to eradicate it (by proclamations, slogans here). But real actions and deeds.
            Corruption (from Lat. corrumpere - to corrupt, Lat. corruptio - bribery, spoilage) - a term that usually means the use by an official of his authority and the rights entrusted to him, as well as the authority connected with this official status, opportunities, connections for personal gain, contrary to legislation and moral principles. Corruption is also called bribery of officials, their venality. The corresponding term in European languages ​​usually has broader semantics stemming from the primary meaning of the original Latin word. [Significance of fact?]

            A characteristic sign of corruption is a conflict between the actions of an official and the interests of his employer, or a conflict between the actions of an elected person and the interests of society. Many types of corruption are similar to fraud committed by an official, and belong to the category of crimes against state power.

            Corruption can be affected by any official with discretionary authority [source not specified 164 days] - authority over the distribution of any resources not belonging to him at his discretion (official, deputy, judge, law enforcement official, administrator, examiner, doctor, etc.) . d.). The main incentive for corruption is the possibility of obtaining economic profits (rents) associated with the use of power, and the main deterrent is the risk of exposure and punishment.

            According to macroeconomic and political studies, corruption is the biggest obstacle to economic growth and development that could jeopardize any change.
            What is highlighted in green is the "minds" specially created. hi
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 16 May 2013 21: 13 New
              +4
              Quote: Papakiko
              the main deterrent is the risk of exposure and punishment.
              Excellent scientific material. So, I’m talking about this line, because the article is about how to lime it, damned am .With the disclosure, everything is fine with us, every day I learn something new. But with punishment, it’s a disaster ... Well, if you do not take the resignation from the feeder as punishment and as the highest measure, an honorary link to England or the Austrian Alps (I'm talking about higher echelons of power hi )
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 16 May 2013 21: 52 New
                0
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                Well, if you do not take the resignation from the feeding trough as punishment and as the highest measure, an honorable exile to England or the Austrian Alps (I'm talking about the highest echelons of power

                This vokurat is the ultimate measure.
                Everyone who was excommunicated from "titi" and exiled, how diligently he tries to get on with his new job and tries in every possible way to please in a new place, and suddenly they will return to "tita".
            2. Normal
              Normal 16 May 2013 23: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Papakiko
              and the main deterrent is the risk of exposure and punishment.

              So much for the "methods of struggle"
              It is probably not possible to eradicate corruption everywhere and finally, but this does not mean that it is not necessary to eradicate it. But with us, unfortunately, corruption is a system of government and therefore the governor will strengthen and strengthen corruption as it is the backbone of the power vertical. His personal power.
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 17 May 2013 10: 58 New
                0
                Quote: Normal
                His personal power.

                I agree. good
          2. Atlon
            Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 21 New
            -2
            Quote: Yarbay
            What prevents the president from fighting corruption ?? Only that he is connected with this evil !! Gather friends, relatives and turn a blind eye to corruption !!

            Are you talking about Azerbaijan now? About nepotism and kinship in the Caucasus, I know not by hearsay. You don’t need your own problems, from a sore head to a healthy one! Probably Aliev, a fiery fighter against corruption?
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 16 May 2013 22: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Atlon
              fiery fighter against corruption?


              only +
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 17 May 2013 07: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: Atlon
              Are you talking about Azerbaijan now? About nepotism and kinship in the Caucasus, I know not by hearsay. You don’t need your own problems, from a sore head to a healthy one!

              I served and worked in various positions!
              He never took bribes and no one bothered me to punish bribe-takers, on duty!
              No, I'm talking about your beloved Putin!
              The fact that we have corruption, we have a small country, it is easy to fix everything!
              Russia is a country with great ambitions and it has the opportunity to change the world for the better !!

              But since you impudently relate to ordinary people I have not seen anywhere !!
              Corruption and nepotism at you EXTREMELY!
              They just ruin the country!
              Since when do you have a healthy head !!?
              It has long rotted!
              1. Atlon
                Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                The fact that we have corruption, we have a small country, it is easy to fix everything!

                Really? laughing Even the most powerful Soviet repressive apparatus could not fix anything in your country. Do you want someone to fix something now? Your crown passes by inheritance from father to son! WHAT DO YOU SONG TO ME SONGS FOR?
          3. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 16 May 2013 23: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            What prevents the president from fighting corruption ?? Only that he is connected with this evil !! Gather friends, relatives and turn a blind eye to corruption !! How to fight ?? And at least as in Sigapur !! Create a bureau that would kept at the highest level and not to bother them !! The President is very active in the case of the opposition, and when it is necessary to punish a corrupt official, he believes that the court should decide))) A * court * -this already understands that you need to close your eyes !!

            why do you paint Ilham Aliyev for us, it’s been known about him for so long yes
          4. captain dvv
            captain dvv 17 May 2013 14: 03 New
            +1
            Exactly. When Putin wanted to put the girls who sang him laudatory in the temple, he did it very quickly and did not say that we were not 37 years old. And here you see, you can’t put him in prison, for a bribe - not a prison, but a fine. Steal - maximum removed from office.
            Here is the whole fight against corruption.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 18 May 2013 00: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Joker
    If I wanted to, I would have long ago reduced the level of corruption.

    - Well, yes, they took one by the ass - Shuvalov jumped out with squeals. They took subchikov from Skolkovo - Surkov began to stink and dismissed on her own. Joker, you don’t see this, what is he slowly squeezing?
    Joker, tell me - if I wanted to, how would he have done it "long ago"? I planted one tax evader in the 2s - there was a stir all over the world, every press conference was pestered with questions on the way. Kasyanov, known as Misha XNUMX%, did not give offense to you, you know who, but at least they let them catch up with the prime ministers - and thanks for that.
    The first one. In the zero years at EBN, the Berezovskys did not just steal - there is no word what they were doing. The war in Chechnya was muddied, so that robbing was more convenient under the guise. Jokers were silent and did not arise. Now, Putin is stealing bureaucrats, it’s hard to deny, but compared to the scale of the EBN.
    Second, Putin can be resisted quite successfully, and without breaking the law. Need to put a spoke in his wheel on the efforts in Syria? For God's sake. We convince the pilots that they saw something there, we agree with the head of the Federal Air Transport Agency that he would not be afraid to fulfill his direct duties - to ensure "flight safety" by such signals. And that's it! Putin will not do anything! The head of the Federal Air Transport Agency will not be able to dismiss - he fulfills his official duties in his area of ​​responsibility. He won't be able to prove anything to the pilots - well, they saw that someone was shooting at them. And now Russian civil aircraft cannot fly to Syria.
    There are situations like this, where you can send Putin away and there’s nothing for you - the mass. Steal - I do not want! But everyone confuses Putin with the king. The king is an autocrat, yes. But Putin is limited and can act within the law. For example, a ban on having accounts abroad or other restrictions for officials - why is this nonsense? This is a very strong blow! And by the way, since Navalny is silent and does not give names, it means he hasn’t heard anything against bureaucrats on this topic. Bulk will definitely not be silent. If I didn’t, in the upper echelon of power, then everything is not so bad with corruption.
    About the law "Prove that you live within your means!" is the next stage. Now he will not be accepted ... There is no psychological readiness. Here, from the usual reinforcement, the marmots throw statements, and from this, like a patient from a large dose of a potent drug, there may simply be a collapse of the state administration system. Therefore, we introduce it carefully, in small doses. The main thing is not to interrupt the treatment. I understand that every patient has a desire to instantly recover laughing But with such a neglected form the only way!
  • captain dvv
    captain dvv 17 May 2013 13: 16 New
    -2
    This is the answer to those who say that corruption in Russia is difficult to fight because of ... the historical, national character of the population, etc.
    And the example of other countries shows that 3-5 years are enough and a really big desire to eradicate corruption.
    By the way, the prime minister’s best friend was jailed in Singapore. They seem to have even grown together.
    And it showed everyone that if I planted a best friend for corruption, then I will plant everyone else without any regret.
    Now imagine that Putin is planting Timchenko and Rottenberg for manipulating oil prices.

    It is a pity that the prime minister of Singapore is not our president.
    Our president will not fight with himself.
  • captain dvv
    captain dvv 17 May 2013 13: 47 New
    0
    Unfortunately you are right for all 100.
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach 16 May 2013 15: 16 New
    +1
    this is a house .... fellow
  • ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 16 May 2013 15: 21 New
    +8
    This is not our method, Putin does not give up!
    The president should not have "friends" or "strangers" ........
    1. fortunophile
      fortunophile 16 May 2013 15: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: ziqzaq
      The president should not have "friends" or "strangers" ........

      "This is fantastic, sonny" (c) (from advertising)
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 16 May 2013 18: 11 New
        0
        should be, but they should be afraid to piss and know if something doesn’t look whose you are!
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 16 May 2013 15: 22 New
    0
    Dream, dream ...
  • fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 15: 24 New
    +4
    Nice, already horror !!! article ++++++. Send for a detailed study to the Presidential Administration of Russia with subsequent implementation !!!
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      Send for a detailed study to the Presidential Administration of Russia with subsequent implementation !!!

      And send a commission there to exchange experience in the fight against corruption! It would be a desire, and the rest, as they say will follow!
  • lilit.193
    lilit.193 16 May 2013 15: 26 New
    +5
    But they do not stick with their thieves as we have, that's why they defeated corruption at home. wink

    Serdyukov here !!!
    1. MG42
      MG42 16 May 2013 16: 53 New
      +6
      So cruelly in the old days dealt with pickpockets. When a thief was caught for the first time, his right hand was chopped off. And if this did not help and he came across again, then the thief was deprived of his left hand.
      Do you suggest starting to chop heads?
      There is a good recipe so that an official does not steal, you need to raise wages, well, control the corresponding costs, why were they afraid to steal in the USSR, you had to justify your expenses, if you suddenly bought the Volga, where did you get the money? and so that the courts are not bought ..
      When we have traffic cops "small" it happens to drive a Porsche Cayenne, naturally, the money comes from bribes. What can we say about the judges.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 16 May 2013 18: 52 New
        +7
        Quote: MG42
        Do you suggest starting to chop heads?

        Under Peter Alekseevich, a thief was hanged if the amount stolen was equal to or greater than the cost of the rope ...
        True, here Alexander Danilovich, stealing for the most part, safely avoided, although he was repeatedly beaten by the king in the face ... But this is understandable - there was much more benefit from the living Menshikov than from the dead ...

        Quote: MG42
        so that the official does not steal, you need to increase salary

        Yes, have mercy, how much can it still be raised !!!
        1. MG42
          MG42 16 May 2013 19: 01 New
          +2
          I’m not a citizen of the Russian Federation = I won’t advise that Russia needs a chopping block and a gallows to fight this evil = is this an internal issue, or is it already possible to abolish the moratorium on the death penalty ?? ..., in Ukraine, corruption too is going through the roof.
          The real recipe is cost control, but the highest echelon of corrupt officials can certainly be spent buying real estate in Europe and storing the loot in offshore, like a patriot of his country in quotation marks ...
          There are many who criticize Putin, but who modestly are silent about his alternative. You would have to compare our Yanukovych ...
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 16 May 2013 19: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: MG42
            You would have to compare our Yanukovych ...

            I really sympathize, especially since I do not share it with you and us, and therefore .... like you, there are not enough words.
            On this topic. But there will be no scaffold for the elite there will be mass graves.
            1. MG42
              MG42 16 May 2013 23: 25 New
              +3
              Quote: Ivan.
              But there will be no scaffold for the elite there will be mass graves.

              Do you offer both in China massively? Blood Show in Chinese: Drug Dealers Executed in Public >>>
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. 16 May 2013 23: 42 New
                +3
                Whatever it was, the fate of such drug dealers was different and it is necessary to destroy in time those "chosen ones" who organized and promoted the drug trade and they are not pawns. Causes and Effects. From this point of view, I said "But there will be no chopping block for the elite, there will be mass graves." Start corruption and may end in a civil war, since they are corrupt and in their high positions pose a serious danger to the country. Let us recall the role of the oligarchs in the Chechen mass meat grinder.
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 17 May 2013 11: 11 New
                +2
                Quote: MG42
                Do you offer both in China massively? Blood show in Chinese: drug dealers are executed in public >>

                Of course, what else to do with them?
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 17 May 2013 12: 47 New
                  -1
                  Quote: nycsson
                  Of course, what else to do with them?

                  You constantly idealize ... It’s as if everything around us is black and white. These thieves and drug dealers, these corrupt officials, and these infallibly honest employees of investigative bodies, and these crystal clear and conscientious citizens ... I will draw a different situation for you. You didn’t please the employee who was involved in the fight against drug trafficking, he threw the gerych to you, and now you are being led under the whites of the little hands for execution! How do you like this prospect? wink Why do you think that if you start the notorious 37th year, all officials will be outweighed as one, but you will not be touched? Yes, no hell like that! right here comrade wrote:
                  Quote: Ivan.
                  But there will be no scaffold for the elite there will be mass graves.
          2. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 16 May 2013 20: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: MG42
            I am not a citizen of the Russian Federation = I will not begin to advise that Russia needs a chopping block and a gallows to fight this evil = is this an internal question, or what is already a moratorium on the death penalty?

            In Finland, for example, a bribe-taker is given a term pretty decent by their standards. And for the rest of his life, he does not have the right to work in government institutions. Even a janitor ...
            Quote: MG42
            in Ukraine, corruption also goes off scale from the very top.

            I think I’m not too wrong if I say that this disease occurs in all states in the post-Soviet space ...
            Quote: MG42
            Here, a lot of Putin is criticized ... you would have to compare our Yanukovych ...

            Everything is known in comparison ... Or everywhere is good, where we are not ... wink
            1. MG42
              MG42 16 May 2013 20: 24 New
              +4
              Quote: Chicot 1
              I think I’m not too wrong if I say that this disease occurs in all states in the post-Soviet space ...

              Here we must ask those who have the Belarusian flag, like the dad "tightened the nuts" there? request
      2. lilit.193
        lilit.193 16 May 2013 19: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: MG42
        When a thief was caught for the first time, his right hand was chopped off. And if this did not help and he came across again, then the thief was deprived of his left hand.

        If so, we would have all the officials would be disabled. Well, or at least through one. wink
        Quote: MG42
        Do you suggest starting to chop heads?

        In the USSR they gave a tower for embezzlement on a particularly large scale, and property was confiscated. And they did it right!
        1. zennon
          zennon 16 May 2013 20: 04 New
          -2
          [/ Quote]
          In the USSR they gave a tower for embezzlement on a particularly large scale, and property was confiscated. And they did it right! [/ Quote]
          Well, what, helped? Yes, damn it! They stole so that they just held on. Theft in the fishing industry ministry exceeded 100000000 rubles. Those rubles! Theft in the Krasnodar Territory is Medunov's business, hardly less. But the noise was huge, there were suicides, but still they stole bureaucrats for a heart! There is also embezzlement in the catering sector. Many prominent officials and leaders of the region were arrested, in particular, the first secretary of the Sochi city committee of the CPSU Voronkov and the second secretary of the Krasnodar regional committee of the CPSU Tarada. Among those arrested in 1982 was the director of the Gelendzhik public catering Berta Borodkina. She was accused of embezzlement of state property on an especially large scale and sentenced to capital punishment - death by firing squad, the Supreme Court of the USSR upheld the sentence. Pogodin, first secretary of the Gelendzhik City Committee of the CPSU in 1974-1982, disappeared without a trace in 1982! the store is just a kindergarten, in comparison with this. You can without straining to recall five more cases, comparable in scale, but they all pale in front of one "COTTON BUSINESS"! Subscriptions in millions of tons of cotton !!! Not the most responsible officials, all to Edinova communists "fiery Leninists", millions of rubles (those rubles!) were found during searches. Well, what helped? Corruption crushed the country ...
        2. MG42
          MG42 16 May 2013 23: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: lilit.193
          The USSR was given a tower for embezzlement on an especially large scale,

          With regard to death sentences, there must be 100% proof of guilt before the sentence is carried out, and how much is it interesting in Russia now is the "especially large size" of theft in numbers for what can you give a tower?
          Regarding the criticism of your president at the beginning of this thread >>>>
          Who is now in Russia, in your opinion, an alternative real Putin?
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 16 May 2013 18: 23 New
      -3
      Initially, a team with such a program should come to power, have not yet matured
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 May 2013 15: 28 New
    +2
    Singapore can be crossed on foot in a couple of days. wink
    1. snek
      snek 16 May 2013 17: 24 New
      +6
      we would need to clear Moscow of small (on a geographical scale) corruption from corruption and the situation would be much better. In general, a convenient excuse - they, they say, the country is small - in our big one this will not work.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Singapore can be crossed on foot in a couple of days. wink

      So what? Are there Martians or something? The same people. Only they realized that stealing from the state, you steal from yourself and to your own detriment!
    3. Stas
      Stas 16 May 2013 21: 08 New
      +4
      The fish rots from the head. The government needs to restore order. There will be honest people in power, and they will recruit subordinate honest true patriots.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 16 May 2013 15: 35 New
    +3
    ... whose slogan was: “If you want to defeat corruption, be prepared to send your friends and relatives to jail”

    Wasn't his name Moses?
    And in just 40 years.
  • lilit.193
    lilit.193 16 May 2013 15: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: fenix57
    Nice, already horror !!! article ++++++. Send for a detailed study to the Presidential Administration of Russia with subsequent implementation !!!

    Quote: Vladimirets
    Dream, dream ...
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 16 May 2013 15: 39 New
    0
    First, we don’t know what bribes officials in Singapore are taking now. Ask our officials who admits to taking bribes. Especially if bribes are measured in millions of dollars. I suspect that in Singapore they simply removed small bribe-takers, so as not to annoy the population. In addition, for example, corruption in Russia has such an annual turnover that Singapore has never dreamed of. There is no official able to refuse a bribe of several million dollars. In general, Singapore is not an example, and certainly not a reason to follow.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 16 May 2013 16: 54 New
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      In general, Singapore is not an example, and certainly not a reason to follow.

      And Singapore does not have as many enemies as Russia, there is no nuclear weapons, the army, there were no revolutions. In general, Singapore does not exist as detached as Russia. But in Japan, a huge level of corruption.
  • yurypetrunin
    yurypetrunin 16 May 2013 15: 51 New
    0
    yurypetrunin RU April 20, 2013 10:14 | Igor Shuvalov: Fighting corruption too zealously

    In the AMF, A. Uglanov's article on corruption, "What is good for a Chinese, is death for a Russian," describes how corruption was curbed in Singapore. The Russian delegation at the forum was headed by I. Shuvalov. Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Kwang Yew shared his experience in fighting corruption.
    I quote an excerpt.
    ... "Meanwhile, from behind the Kremlin battlements, hopeful rumors are leaking out in a thin plume of smoke. As if President Putin will celebrate his 7th birthday on October 60 and will start cleaning the" Augean stables "in the government and throughout the state apparatus. Was Mr. Shuvalov looking at the old Chinese with such sadness and anxiety? "
    Everything goes according to writing, the sadness in the eyes of Shuvalov does not disappear. The final is predetermined.
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 16 May 2013 16: 18 New
      0
      Quote: fortuneophile
      "This is fantastic, sonny" (c) (from advertising)
    2. Iraclius
      Iraclius 16 May 2013 16: 20 New
      +9
      Fresh giving, but hard to believe. After the official income of Putin for the past reporting period was published, I loved the top official of my country even more. How modest and honest he is. And he drives the domestic auto industry.
      Sarcasm.
      We began to transfer power almost according to the hereditary principle. So what serious struggle can we talk about?
      PS For some reason I remembered the Cotton business in the USSR.
  • Asgard
    Asgard 16 May 2013 15: 54 New
    16
    If everyone considers himself a CITIZEN and squeezes himself out "slave". To live according to conscience (in spite of everything)) not to become like Jews and other herd peoples who unite in flocks to "tear" and steal. It is necessary for the People to use the power, and it is he who is the source of IT .... remove the prick and instill in them the habit of Honesty, which is in the Russian blood. ... To make it impossible for foreigners (Jews, Chechens, Asians, and other riffraffs) to be in power on the Russian Land)) although WE do not mind, let them be in command)) ...
    Then we will not need the Singapore Experience (although I know Russian recklessness, it is not applicable))))
    we have our own recipe (responsibility to Rod) - it is necessary to revive and bend our knees in front of our Parents .... (no longer in front of anyone, Russian heads don’t bow)))

    And corruption is in power, and ask those questions-there are many Russians ???
    Maybe we don't need to fight ... Maybe we should clean up the so-called "elite" (as they call themselves))

    ELITE - These are Scientists, Doctors, Writers, Designers, Engineers, Warlords
    officials do not belong to this category of citizens, as well as TV presenters, journalists, hucksters and office workers who talked about something there in the "swamp"))))
    People delve into the definition of a word, Love Russian. Call a traitor a traitor ...
    1. snek
      snek 16 May 2013 17: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Asgard
      And corruption is in power, and ask those questions, are there many Russians ???

      Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev - all Russian (well, if you do not take absolutely conspiratorial myths).
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      2. zennon
        zennon 16 May 2013 20: 43 New
        0
        Quote: snek
        Quote: Asgard
        And corruption is in power, and ask those questions, are there many Russians ???

        Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev - all Russian (well, if you do not take absolutely conspiratorial myths).

        Case for small-prove that they took bribes.
    2. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 16 May 2013 18: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Asgard
      And corruption is in power, and ask those questions, are there many Russians ??

      The composition of the Government of the Russian Federation: Dmitry Medvedev, Igor Ivanovich Shuvalov, Olga Yuryevna Golodets, Arkady Vladimirovich Dvorkovich, Dmitry Nikolayevich Kozak, Dmitry Oleg Rogozin, Alexander Gennadievich Khloponin, Vladimir Andreyevich Kolokoltsev, Vladimir Andreyevich Puchkov, Vladimir Lavrov Skvortsova, Sergey Lavrov Rostislavovich, Shoigu Sergey Kuzhugetovich, Livanov Dmitry Viktorovich, Ishaev Viktor Ivanovich, Donskoy Sergey Efimovich, Manturov Denis Valentinovich, Slyunyaev Igor Nikolaevich, Nikiforov Ni Kolai Anatolyevich, Fedorov Nikolay Vasilievich Mutko, Vitaliy Leontyevich, Sokolov Maxim Yurievich, Topilin Maxim Anatolievich, Siluanov Anton Germanovich, Konovalov Alexander Vladimirovich, Belousov Andrey Removich, Novak, Alexander Valentinovich, Abyzov Mikhail Anatolyevich.
      Yeah .. all the Jews, Chechens, but Asians. And Serdyukov and Vasilyeva are without any doubt non-Russians, well, Russians cannot be corrupt.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 16 May 2013 18: 57 New
        +3
        Judas have always been (biblical history)) And the kahalas always stood behind them)) Russian names? This is not a guarantee Medvedev once claimed to receive a passport of the state of Israel. BerLazar is always looming behind the National Leader. Vova here recently Ochudil put a pile and prayed at the crying wall)))
        Then the Jews love the herd principle and always pull up their own - as the above-mentioned People found themselves in power -
        NONE OF THEM HAVE A PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE OF MANAGEMENT AND SUCCESSES IN THIS TERM)))
        Cases still look Russian mile .... ugh you POLICE and FSB defend the interests of Asians and herd peoples))) NOT RUSSIAN ONLY ....and the titular nation is put in casemates ...
        more questions Guys, and see for yourself - everything is visible and everything is open ....
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 16 May 2013 23: 26 New
          0
          And you look at the lists of officials in local administrations, there is the same
      2. Rrv
        Rrv 16 May 2013 20: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Lakkuchu
        Composition of the Government of the Russian Federation


        Who will tell you about their terrible secret? laughing

        Here, by indirect signs (surname, middle name, relatives, appearance), you need to look:

        Golodets, Dvorkovich, Kozak, Khloponin, Skvortsova, Medinsky, Topilin, Siluanov, Belousov, Novak, Abyzov, Rogozin, Shuvalov.

        It is very likely that these characters have some or other share of the blood of "God's chosen".
  • individual
    individual 16 May 2013 15: 58 New
    +6
    It is impossible to defeat corruption until the dynastic appointment of relatives stops. If in blue-collar professions it is "+" and the transfer of labor skills from father to son, then in the bureaucratic trade there is a possibility of illegal enrichment.
  • ed1968
    ed1968 16 May 2013 16: 06 New
    +1
    why such ideas are not born in Russian minds?
  • Begemot
    Begemot 16 May 2013 16: 14 New
    +4
    Article plus, I already mentioned this experience, did exactly the same in Hong Kong. Pay special attention to the fact that the company was launched by the president, this requires the will of the country's leader, but we don’t have such. Putin believes that this is not his business, but ours.
  • treskoed
    treskoed 16 May 2013 16: 16 New
    +2
    During the activities of DBK, several federal ministers, heads of trade unions, public figures, and top managers of state-owned companies were planted.

    There will be landings - there will be results! But who will plant him - a monument !!!
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 16 May 2013 16: 21 New
    +4
    How to defeat a dragon?
    Do not feed him.
    Start with household corruption. It will be better further.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 16: 31 New
    17
    Quote: fortuneophile
    : "This is not our 37th year"

    So now and the 70s will do ...
    AND REALLY WHY .....
    1. MG42
      MG42 16 May 2013 16: 59 New
      +6
      I watched the program with Leonid Kanevsky <investigation was conducted> so he told how the drinkers took this faceted glass to figure out for three, then carefully returned it back to the machine, so that later they could use more ...
      1. Normal
        Normal 16 May 2013 23: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        I watched the program with Leonid Kanevsky ....

        Thank you, have fun .... laughing Although I’m not a heavy drinker, I myself did several times without Kanevsky ...
        1. MG42
          MG42 17 May 2013 03: 55 New
          +1
          In the 80s, I did not use a faceted glass from a soda machine to crush half a liter of vodka with my friends, from what I remember, in fairness, sometimes the glasses were missing from the machines, but judging by the figure above, this is clearly before the image was rebuilt ...
          here is a photo also from the USSR in one glass is in another machine borrowed apparently drinks
    2. shurup
      shurup 16 May 2013 17: 13 New
      +1
      They stole! But then they compensated for the damage by putting them in place.
      1. YuDDP
        YuDDP 16 May 2013 17: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: shurup
        They stole! But then they compensated for the damage by putting them in place.

        Gentlemen, you have forgotten everything. It costs 5-6 assault rifles and not a single glass is a typical picture. Some went with a folding cup. But you could always drink kvass from a barrel or soda at aunt with a saturator.
        1. YuDDP
          YuDDP 16 May 2013 20: 28 New
          0
          Obviously, with the minusers, I did not live at the same time and in the same place ...
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 May 2013 16: 32 New
    +3
    If the clerk and his family live beyond their means, the bureau automatically, without waiting for a command from above, begins an investigation.

    Why can't our leaders introduce such a principle of control over the expenses of officials !? stop . I liked the idea presumption of guilt official. Great thought up in Singapore! But this is not feasible in Russia. Need other leaders ...
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 16 May 2013 17: 10 New
      -4
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Need other leaders ...

      Bulk?
      Let him first answer for Kirovles, "prisoner of conscience" his mother is so!
      1. YuDDP
        YuDDP 16 May 2013 17: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Atlon
        Let him first answer for Kirovles, "prisoner of conscience" his mother is so!

        It seems that you are also related to business? It means that they must understand that there can be no theft if there is a concluded contract. If the director of the FSUE signed an unfavorable contract, then the owner (state) must ask the director of the FSUE. And if under the contract there is at least 1 ruble of profit, then it is already economically viable. The case is far-fetched - this is obvious. What else would be discouraged. "This is our cow and we milk it" - so it seems it was in one of the movies.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 16 May 2013 22: 32 New
          -2
          Quote: YuDDP
          It seems that you are also related to business? It means that they must understand that there can be no theft if there is a concluded contract. If the director of the FSUE signed an unfavorable contract, then the owner (state) must ask the director of the FSUE. And if under the contract there is at least 1 ruble of profit, then it is already economically viable. The case is far-fetched - this is obvious. What else would be discouraged. "This is our cow and we milk it" - so it seems it was in one of the movies.

          Well, of course ... Director of FSUE, in your opinion, come from ... Yeah. And then what do you not allow that Serdyukov also go away? Well, that's just a stupid person, and is not guilty of anything ... However, you demand him to be crucified, and Lyoshenka simply made a profit using the stupidity of local officials ... Isn’t it funny?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 17 May 2013 07: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Atlon
            And then what do you not allow that Serdyukov also go away?

            We admit)))))
            And why should a frank idiot be appointed to such a position ??
            it's even worse !!
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 17 May 2013 07: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Atlon
        Bulk?
        Let him first answer for Kirovles, "prisoner of conscience" his mother is so!

        and what * effective * managers answered for all the frauds?)))))))))))))
      3. Hon
        Hon 17 May 2013 16: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        Bulk?
        Let him first answer for Kirovles, "prisoner of conscience" his mother is so!

        All of our valiant FSB and SK snooped up dirt on Navalny, they even glanced at the production of weaving products from a rod with a search. And all that dug it Kirovles. Moreover, if you look at the situation, it turns out that Navalny allegedly persuaded the leadership of a commercial organization to sell the forest at a lower cost. What is it like? That is, the leaders of this organization, engaged in the sale of forests, do not know the market value? Navalny allegedly caused damage to the organization in the amount of 16 million rubles, although this amount of the entire transaction, initially the amount of damage voiced by the prosecutor's office, was just over a million, but this is not so solid ...
  • Atlon
    Atlon 16 May 2013 16: 55 New
    -2
    "Whoever says that this is a girl, let him be the first to throw a stone at me!" (x / f "12 chairs")
    "He who is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at him!" (I. Christ)


    In all honesty, who never gave a bribe in his life, did not use "cronyism", did not "negotiate" with the traffic policeman, did not undergo maintenance for money, did not "thank" the doctor, teacher, head of the kindergarten, did not steal ( did not take away) from work bolt, carnation, paper clips, paper, pen, pencil, screwdriver, wiring, etc. let him put a minus for this post. And whoever had at least one of the sins, let him put a plus. It's anonymous, so don't be shy! Just be truthful! And since our officials are not from the moon, but from the people, and they also went to our schools, nurseries, kindergartens, studied with us in institutes, it means that nothing human is alien to them. So please!
    1. shurup
      shurup 16 May 2013 17: 05 New
      +4
      I put you "zero", tk. the rest is a bribe.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 16 May 2013 17: 08 New
        -4
        Quote: shurup
        I put you "zero", tk. the rest is a bribe.

        This is called "got out". However, if you are embarrassed, then all is not lost with your conscience ...
    2. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 16 May 2013 17: 18 New
      +1
      So steal !? All the same, they all give bribes, they steal!
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Atlon
      And since our officials are not from the moon, but from the people, they also went to our schools, nurseries, kindergartens, studied with us at institutes, which means that nothing human is alien to them. So please!

      Therefore, I am for increasing morality in our society.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 16 May 2013 17: 48 New
        -4
        Quote: nycsson
        Therefore, I am for increasing morality in our society.

        "Begin with yourself!" (FROM)
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 16 May 2013 19: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Atlon
          "Begin with yourself!" (FROM)

          It has already begun.
    4. Ivan.
      Ivan. 16 May 2013 17: 37 New
      +3
      It turns out that it’s not customary for gentlemen to check each other, they all take their word for it and then I got a card like a popperla!
    5. Normal
      Normal 16 May 2013 23: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Atlon
      In all honesty, who never gave a bribe in his life, did not use "cronyism", did not "negotiate" with the traffic policeman, did not undergo maintenance for money, did not "thank" the doctor, teacher, head of the kindergarten, did not steal ( did not take away) from work bolt, carnation, paper clips, paper, pen, pencil, screwdriver, wiring, etc. let him put a minus for this post. And whoever had at least one of the sins, let him put a plus.

      I put "+" if so. But I propose this option. Whoever thinks that giving bribes, using cronyism, dragging toilet paper from work and so on is right, good and simply necessary, and most importantly justifies officials with their millions in bribes, he puts this comment as a minus.
      And who believes that all of the above is not happening of good will, but as a result of extortion, due to certain circumstances and already established, but clearly negative "rules", and most importantly does not give officials the right to steal by millions and already billions, and not bear any responsibility for this one puts a plus
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 17 May 2013 01: 12 New
        -3
        Quote: Normal
        I put "+" if so. But I propose this option. Whoever thinks that giving bribes, using cronyism, dragging toilet paper from work and so on is right, good and simply necessary, and most importantly justifies officials with their millions in bribes, he puts this comment as a minus.

        Does not justify! And explains! YOU NEED TO START WITH YOURSELF! If a person does not allow conscience to drag toilet paper, he will not take a bribe! It all starts small, and then it's a matter of habit.
        Quote: Normal
        And who believes that all of the above is not happening of good will, but as a result of extortion, due to certain circumstances and already established, but clearly negative "rules

        What are you saying ?! And what do they extort from you? And why, instead of writing a statement to the prosecutor’s office, do you succumb to extortion? Why are you using unfair competition? At least in business, even in life, even in everyday life? Why is EVERYONE trying to get preferences while shouting about corruption? Stop feeding the dragon, and he WILL DIE!
        1. Stas
          Stas 18 May 2013 10: 35 New
          +2
          What are you saying ?! And what do they extort from you? And why, instead of writing a statement to the prosecutor’s office, do you succumb to extortion? Why are you using unfair competition? At least in business, even in life, even in everyday life? Why is EVERYONE trying to get preferences while shouting about corruption? Stop feeding the dragon, and he WILL DIE!

          Atlon, you probably from another planet ???
          My father was born in the USSR, in the 90s he went to his mother for Ukraine for 1,5 years. When he returned to Primorsky kr., For more than a year he could not get a Russian passport. They extorted money, but he did not pay. And lumps come, and a month later already with Russian passports, because they pay officials.
          My wife was trained in driving and theory, and successfully. She perfectly passed the theory to the lungs, and took the practice at the traffic police for 3 months. As a result, she was told there, you can walk as much as you like, until you pay, don’t hand over. And she drives decently.
          How do you suggest ??? Who will die faster, me or an official ???
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 18 May 2013 13: 28 New
            +1
            And still it is necessary to fight!
  • individual
    individual 16 May 2013 16: 58 New
    +4
    Used to be power for the people, you didn’t like it.
    Then you voted for EBN and made the people for power.
    As they say, feel the difference.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2013 17: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: individ
      There used to be power for the people, you didn't like it.
      Then you voted for EBN and made the people for power.
      As they say, feel the difference.

      That's for sure! Everyone wanted freedom. Well, how do you taste freedom?
      1. snek
        snek 16 May 2013 17: 37 New
        -1
        How do you both handle pronouns:
        Quote: individ
        There used to be power for the people, you did not like.

        Quote: nycsson
        So how you taste of freedom?

        The people around are always to blame, and those who write / speak out of business ...
        1. individual
          individual 16 May 2013 18: 37 New
          +3
          I admit, I was there. He only voted for the Communists.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 16 May 2013 18: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: snek
          The people around are always to blame, and those who write / speak out of business ...

          When the USSR collapsed, I was 11 years old! Yes, I'm out of business!
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 17 May 2013 13: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: individ
      Then you voted for EBN and made the people for power.

      I want to note that the EBN won a deafening victory in the presidential elections in the RSFSR precisely because its entire election program was built under the slogans of the fight against corruption and the privileges of the party nomenclature. Which later turned out to be a banal lie.
  • shurup
    shurup 16 May 2013 17: 11 New
    +2
    "The population of Singapore was poor and uneducated", i.e. did not know how to competently take and give.
    Conclusion. The fight against corruption in Russia should begin with education and a general increase in living standards. Stalin, it seems, did so.
  • annenkov242
    annenkov242 16 May 2013 17: 13 New
    +2
    Alas! Alas! Order will be restored when the reptilians come to power, and now we are being taught a sense of inferiority in our Russian identity, because. like we can't put things in order - “we don't have enough brains.” The Olympians are happy to come to power, but God does not give them, and we have already surrendered it! What ran around Russia: - Englishmen, amers, Jews - political game of ratings, not in our favor. Here Prokhorov is already slowly commanding, - is training, Kvachkov, Khabarov, Budanova passed, many can be enumerated, even hockey today was leaked !!! ???? And we are still sitting in the kitchen !!! Literature masters!
  • Check
    Check 16 May 2013 17: 13 New
    -2
    I would not cite Singapore as an example, since the city-state is not Russia.
    Singapore is less than Moscow in two; tracking is much easier there than on the vast land of the Russian Federation.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 16 May 2013 20: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Check
      I would not cite Singapore as an example, since the city-state is not Russia.
      Singapore is less than Moscow in two; tracking is much easier there than on the vast land of the Russian Federation.


      It's not about the size, but the fact that they started the process there, but not here.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 16 May 2013 17: 22 New
    +1
    "The very formula for calculating wages, which still works, looks like this: the level of remuneration of an official was determined as 2/3 of the income of workers in the private sector of a comparable rank, shown by them in tax returns. "... our officials would stand on the porch with such a scheme.
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 16 May 2013 17: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: lilit.193
    He does not need to balance, but to rule the country!

    Exactly so, and if he or someone else thinks that the president is responsible for balancing, then I dare to recall that when he takes office, he takes the oath and undertakes to abide by the constitution. And there is nothing said about balancing in any form. The article is definitely a plus. Well, as far as it is difficult to track, then I'm sorry, I do not agree, it would be a desire and political will.
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 16 May 2013 17: 43 New
    +2
    How to beat corruption in Singapore

    They threw in jail everyone who was seen in communications with the Communists


    Well, this is of course a joke.
    Singapore is an island smaller than St. Petersburg, importing even sand and fresh water. On the 9 island of military air bases, Singapore Air Force is one of the strongest in Asia







  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 16 May 2013 17: 50 New
    0
    uguk. I was there. Even "with..s behind a pillowcase" (I wonder who remembers the thread of this work?), In comparison with Singapore we have a very free country.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 16 May 2013 17: 59 New
    +6
    Lee Kuan Yew once described the recipe for fighting corruption. "Start by putting three of your friends in jail. You know exactly why, and they know why."
    1. Black
      Black 16 May 2013 18: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      Lee Kuan Yew once described the recipe for fighting corruption. "Start by putting three of your friends in jail. You know exactly why, and they know why."

      In Russia, they say more precisely- BEAT YOURSELF THAT THOSE ALIEN FEAR!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 17 May 2013 11: 21 New
        0
        It's just more blurry here. You can beat your own without their fault. There’s Pol Pot as having fun. And here it is clear and concrete - both sides know why some are planting, while others are sitting.
  • Black
    Black 16 May 2013 18: 06 New
    +4
    When they say that one of the reasons for corruption is the size of the country, by God, gentlemen, it's ridiculous. Well, until we "reduce" to the Moscow principality, will these ghouls steal?
    Yesterday, on a bribe of 5 million greens, a top manager of a state bank was caught red-handed .... today Mr. Prokhorov said that - "he is an honest man" ... Will this "Dove" sit. No! - because of the vast territory of Russia?
  • Canep
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  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 16 May 2013 18: 27 New
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    Here a call was made to begin with oneself. Just explain then what harm will I do to the country if tomorrow I give plumbing 500 rubles so that he does it quickly and efficiently? And at that time tomorrow some kind of official will be given a million to sign an act of acceptance of the road on which nothing was done, but according to the papers it will be thoroughly repaired. So does this call appeal only to us or those above us? So they will not hear such an appeal.
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  • zennon
    zennon 16 May 2013 18: 51 New
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    I will allow myself to disagree with the thesis "Big salary as a guarantee of decency." Just now the chairman of the board of Rosbank Golubkov was caught on a bribe of 1,5 lemons with greenery. Bankers are not noticed in love for small salaries, but apparently there is no conscience at all ... request
    1. DPN
      DPN 16 May 2013 20: 04 New
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      There is no confiscation, everything that lives on with hard work will remain in the family. And the country with the people yes *** with them, it seems this is the motto of our masters.
      1. zennon
        zennon 16 May 2013 21: 01 New
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        Quote: DPN
        There is no confiscation, everything that lives on with hard work will remain in the family. And the country with the people yes *** with them, it seems this is the motto of our masters.

        Are you seriously believing that confiscation will stop them? Yes, I beg you! It's just an incentive to steal even more and hide better.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 24 New
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          Quote: zennon
          Are you seriously believing that confiscation will stop them? Yes, I beg you! It's just an incentive to steal even more and hide better.

          In, in ... Here, many refer to China ... So what? Are they stealing less? Nope! As they stole, they will steal, for each person (and not just Russian) ALWAYS relies on chance. Like who, whom, but they won’t catch me! ;)
  • waisson
    waisson 16 May 2013 19: 20 New
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    Singapore went his own way, and we would have to return Comrade Stalin or a nakrynyak to make Russian Old Man from Belarus President
  • rapid1934
    rapid1934 16 May 2013 19: 33 New
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    “If you want to defeat corruption, be prepared to send your friends and relatives to jail.”
    This is not for our country. The fish rots from the head. Such a thought does not appear in a rotten head and does not materialize. VERY SORRY !!! request
  • mivmim
    mivmim 16 May 2013 19: 36 New
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    "Singapore is a country that has defeated corruption in just over 40 years."
    And why have they been chasing corrupt officials at TWO square kilometers for so long?
    1. mivmim
      mivmim 17 May 2013 03: 41 New
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      And the disadvantages put by the citizens of Singapore, offended? lol lol
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 22 New
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      Quote: mivmim
      “Singapore is a country that has defeated corruption in just over 40 years.” Why did they drive corruption on TWO square kilometers for so long?

      good ahead of!
  • rereture
    rereture 16 May 2013 20: 59 New
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    Singapore - a country that defeated corruption in just over 40 years


    Notice for 40 years, but how many are fighting with her?

    Some believe that Russia is one of the most corrupt states in the world, being, in 2011, at 143 out of 182 in the list of Transparency International. However, according to a study by the British auditing company Ernst & Young, conducted in the spring of 2012, in 2011 corruption risks in Russia significantly decreased and in many ways fell below the global average.
    http://www.vedomosti.ru/career/news/1794687/ey_korrupciya_v_rossii_padaet
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 30 New
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      Quote: rereture
      Some believe that Russia is one of the most corrupt states in the world, being, in 2011, at 143 out of 182 in the list of Transparency International.

      All these lists compiled by our Western "friends" are not worth a damn! Recently I studied this type of list about drunkenness. Well, the result is well-known ... And for comparison, the results of anonymous polls in the same countries were given. So, the situation with the difference is the opposite! And you know, the most drinkers according to the polls were recognized ... Great Britain, Germany, Spain! Russia is in this list, in some 40th place out of 100. Finland, France, Sweden, Moldova, Ukraine are far ahead of us ... So, all these lists are just another Western propaganda, which for centuries has inspired the Russian peasant that he is dirty , drunk, thieving, lazy and uneducated cattle! Don't get fooled by this nonsense.
  • Rrv
    Rrv 16 May 2013 21: 15 New
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    A curious topic arose at the beginning of the discussion - what to do? It may be necessary like this:

    1 Ratify article 20 of the relevant UN convention, or prescribe its own similar law.

    2 Prescribe a separate article for fraud / concealment for civil servants and elected representatives of the Government.

    3 To oblige the courts: to accept all evidence in the form of evidence, to order an examination and to accept evidence of a polygraph as evidence, in special cases to appoint, conduct and receive evidence as evidence obtained through medical interrogation.

    4 In case of proven guilt, to identify all those who are embezzlement, completely confiscate all the property of the corrupt official (except for the minimum necessary for the life of the family with the replacement of housing for social), as well as property and funds of relatives obtained through corruption schemes.
    Assign a punishment in the form of tripling the amount of theft in important socio-economic areas (building roads) according to the principle: you get a minimum wage for work, you exist for it and you pay from it - and so on until the full repayment of three times the amount of proven theft.

    5 A complete ban on traveling abroad during the service life and 5 years after the end of the latter. A complete ban on real estate and assets abroad. A complete ban on traveling abroad of the next of kin for the above period.
    This is basic.

    I know one thing - there would be a desire, there would already be a result.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2013 23: 24 New
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      Quote: RRV
      This is basic.

      Not bad. You can take a whole bunch of measures, and effective ones.
      And ours are only pi ..... we are engaged in, and only. People are being bred as they all fight corruption there. If you don’t have enough brains, then go to Singapore, finally, to learn from them! am
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 17 May 2013 00: 48 New
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        Quote: nycsson
        If you don’t have enough brains, then go to Singapore, finally, to learn from them!


        Alas, Alexey - it’s not the brain matter. Unfortunately, Delyagin is right:
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 17 May 2013 10: 33 New
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      Quote: RRV
      This is basic.

      You have forgotten the torture ... Why is it too embarrassing then? Legitimate the law, the Rouen Virgin, the heretic chair, the Spanish boot, etc. There are many inventions in the world that have been undeservedly forgotten ... wink
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 17 May 2013 11: 07 New
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        Quote: Atlon
        You have forgotten the torture ... Why is it too embarrassing then? Legitimate the law, the Rouen Virgin, the heretic chair, the Spanish boot, etc. There are many inventions in the world that have been undeservedly forgotten ...

        About torture - you’ve gone too far. No need to go to extremes, but hang them or shoot in public in the Red Square - with both hands! Of course, after the guilt of a corrupt official is fully proven.
      2. Rrv
        Rrv 17 May 2013 15: 17 New
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        Quote: Atlon

        You have forgotten the torture ... Why is it too embarrassing then? Legitimate the law, the Rouen Virgin, the heretic chair, the Spanish boot, etc. There are many inventions in the world that have been undeservedly forgotten ...


        You, Paul, are comparing the incomparable, in other words, verbiage. smile

        Do you see something bad in the rack? In my opinion, the rack is like a rack, nothing bad. The question is, for what positive things are they using it. smile
        It always seemed to me that the main reason for not taking tough measures was the stigma, on which a lot of fluff was stuck, and all the talk about judicial errors, etc. - nothing more than a cover for the main reason.

        I hope that I am wrong about you. hi
  • Stas
    Stas 16 May 2013 21: 33 New
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    And what prevents the government from imprisoning officials for bribes with confiscation of property (As far as I remember, this was the case under the USSR). Why do they not want to issue a "wolf ticket" to the thieving bureaucrats and civil servants ??? Caught for a bribe - you have a jail and a closed road to state structures. And we got caught stealing, okay, we’ll transfer you to another position or to a promotion. Serve the country and people further.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 16 May 2013 23: 32 New
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    From the very beginning of a high political career, doubts were immediately raised about the guarantees from the GDP in the direction of YOBN in complete immunity and refusal to investigate his "affairs" ... And this is what it ultimately led to ... - The country was swept by unpunished corruption !!
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 17 May 2013 00: 52 New
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      The very first pu decree is unconstitutional.
  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 17 May 2013 00: 16 New
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    Impunity breeds lawlessness said in the movie "The Sword"
  • Stas
    Stas 17 May 2013 10: 21 New
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    Quote: vjatsergey
    Impunity breeds lawlessness said in the movie "The Sword"

    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye !!! The film is excellent and on topic.
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 17 May 2013 12: 11 New
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    Singapore is a fantastic city, there everything for life is so correctly and correctly done that it is simply amazing. the hotel which is pictured - Marina Bay Sands - I advise everyone, an amazing building, a casino to visit, and what a pool on the roof!
    why are they so cool, but not so? it’s not square kilometers, but in our square heads. unfortunately we can’t build a normal life and normal environment.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 17 May 2013 13: 16 New
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      Quote: Alexandr0id
      it’s not square kilometers, but in our square heads. unfortunately we can’t build a normal life and normal environment.

      "The devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads!" ("Dog's heart")
  • Asis
    Asis 19 May 2013 21: 19 New
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    Stole, drank, to jail! Romance)