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"Power vertical" out of Putin's control

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"Power vertical" out of Putin's controlThe conflict inside the Russian elite is gaining momentum and may reach a peak this fall.


I have already written a small text about Surkov’s resignation, in which I explained the main reasons for this event, in my opinion. But since I did not write a forecast for Russia for this year (everything develops too quickly), some political details need to be disclosed in more detail. This is what I want to talk about now.

The topic of responsibility of the elite (nomenclature) to society arises in our country not for the first time. It was precisely attempts to impose such responsibility on the nobility on Paul I’s heads (the British became only the organizational basis of general discontent); most likely, it was worth the position of the successor to Stalin G.M. Malenkov. In 1955, he began to tighten the responsibility of the nomenklatura, which had weakened greatly after the death of Stalin, for which he paid, losing to Khrushchev. At the same time, the fact that most of the leaders of the regional committees were personally grateful to the chief personnel officer of the Central Committee Malenkov for his nomination did not help, and they didn’t really like Khrushchev himself, including jokes in 1949-53, when he supervised the special services from the Central Committee.

Nevertheless, the general system of public control over the activities of the nomenclature operated more or less effectively until Gorbachev's times, and only after the 1991 “revolution” was completely eliminated. And, as in the 1920-30-s of the last century, was replaced by a very interesting model of the "two-story" elite.

The essence of this separation consisted in the awareness of the political realities of the world in which our country existed (then - the USSR, today - the Russian Federation). The part of the elite that came into contact with this reality in its direct activity understood that there was little chance of preserving in a more or less long term. How did Stalin speak there? “We have to go this way in ten years, otherwise they will crush us!” And such words could have been uttered by Ivan the Terrible (who knows what he said there before the boyar Duma, there are no protocols ...) and Peter I. But they all faced the same phenomenon, namely, the colossal opposition of the majority of the elite (nomenclature, as it was in the USSR and today in the Russian Federation) to any changes that worsen its condition, the ability to steal, and (perhaps most importantly) threaten her complete impunity.

Pay attention to how easy any liberal decisions that society actively impedes: the Bologna process in education, juvenile justice, health care reform and so on - pass through our government. But the point is that this “elite” does not care about society; moreover, she hates him, because it is constantly “confused under his feet” and “interferes with work”. And all these “reforms” are very popular with the “elite”, because they allow capitalizing the process. It is one thing to finance thousands of clinics, it is quite another to centrally purchase state-of-the-art equipment for several large centers with corresponding kickbacks. Polyclinics are not needed at all, like the Academy of Sciences; it is a waste of money, the “elite” does not use them anyway.

Let us note, by the way: it immediately follows from this that the modern “nomenclature” is an actively Russophobic system. For her, the Russian people are the most harmful part of the country, since all the time it creates obstacles to convenient activity. And this is one of the reasons why these characters love Western liberals so much, although there are others. But Russophobia in our "elite" is quite his own, homegrown.

At the same time, and because of the cruel hatred of their people, and because of the love of Western liberals, they sincerely do not see and do not understand the political threats to the country. They do not discuss the relevant issues, referring to the "upper" leadership (including Putin) and explaining that this is "not their business." At the same time, they do not believe the words about threats: well, what kind of threat can they personally carry from such “decent” and “respected” Westerners? Threat to the people? Well, he, the bastard, and it is necessary, if he does not understand the whole charm of life under their control!

Until a certain moment, the upper, political part of the elite and the basic, mass part of it lived quite amicably, and only in recent months this idyll began to be violated. This is due to the fact that for the first time since the “settling down” of the political system of the Russian Federation in the early 2000s, the country's economic growth was replaced by a serious recession. Whether the country's leadership understands this is a secondary question, it does not play any role, since the negative consequences of this recession have begun to take effect and will only intensify. And at that moment, Putin entered the slippery slope of Paul I and Malenkov. And some others historical characters too ...

I don’t know how Putin and his closest associates imagine the situation. Most likely, in the spirit of “yours is a stranger,” and the refusal to execute Putin’s decrees “in essence” is perceived as a change of the “curator” (relatively speaking, Putin to Voloshin) with specific characters. Another thing is that in this sense, some appointments in the government look strange, but let's see what happens next. The main thing is that the keen sense of the threat that the very top of the “elite” has, which has experience of political struggle at the geopolitical level, is completely absent just below, and this is what causes sharp opposition.

I note that this has nothing to do with the notorious “good king - bad boyars” dichotomy, because a year ago “king” was no different from “boyars”. And today he wants only one thing - that the “vertical of power” subordinated to him formally does something to eliminate a specific threat. But the trouble is that, firstly, the “vertical” does not see this threat, secondly, it does not consider it a threat, and thirdly, on the contrary, it considers the threat of an attempt to force it to anything. Just in case, I repeat: all this has nothing to do with the interests of the people, this is a purely intra-elite conflict.

As the economic downturn has not gone away, this conflict will become tougher. And the most important question that arises here is: when will the actors begin to attract the people within its framework and will they do it at all? In 1993, the people were not asked, but then the conflict was purely “top-level” in nature and was quite short-term. Today, if the economic crisis accelerates, the option of involving society in this conflict becomes almost inevitable.

And this is the most important conclusion from all that has been said. So far, all that is happening is internal dismantling of a narrow layer of the “elite”, which is extremely negative for our people. As the crisis develops, one or the other side will inevitably have to somehow use the resource of the society - and now by this point you need to be ready, since it can begin in the autumn.
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  1. Rustiger
    Rustiger 16 May 2013 06: 36 New
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    And who said that it will be easy, Uncle Vova?
    We are in Russia, the whole history of which shows that those rulers who "tightened the screws" always achieved, although far from a mixed opinion about themselves, but certainly the military, economic, political, and cultural growth of Russia as a state and empire. Those who allowed themselves (and those around them) to liberalize, trying to fawn in front of the rest of the world, received such a “smut” from which it was fit to either run west or get drunk in the trash. No other way.
    And the sooner Putin understands this, and not only begins to act, the faster he will receive approval from his "subjects", and even more so from "progressive humanity."
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 16 May 2013 08: 05 New
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      Quote: Rustiger
      And who said that it will be easy, Uncle Vova?

      - But someone told him that since he is the President, will everything be by his will? Sometimes there is a feeling that the forces that oppose Putin are much stronger than him. Here's the last one - while he “fought” with Western leaders for Syria there, someone in Russia did a massive operation to “polarity” practically all central media from a negative (condemning the West) to a neutral tone regarding Syria. After all, this is a very difficult operation, there is an operation with the Federal Air Transport Agency, and an operation to send Fefilov directly to Syria’s most viper, and a lot more. And it can only crank a very powerful system.
      I haven’t made any bets yet - everything is very ambiguous. And yet, yes, Khazin is right - not only has the elite been overgrown and does not want responsibility, it has also been very well fed and has become strong. Without public involvement, Putin cannot cope with it. We are waiting for his appeal to the people, only he will help him. It will not turn out - it is not difficult to predict the result, I already see a contented and satisfied face of Khodorkovsky.
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 16 May 2013 08: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: aksakal
        Without public involvement, Putin cannot cope with it. We are waiting for his appeal to the people, only he will help him. It doesn’t turn out - it’s not difficult to predict the result,

        It’s just that it is impossible to predict in a global sense.
        As for the "appeal", here it is in the "pulp". Let this not be in the direct meaning of the word through the media, but an appeal, as a turn to the INTERESTS of the people and listening to conversations in the kitchens, forums, in numerous calls for the prez of people, driven to despair by the constant struggle for their existence, for the future of their children and etc. Only a blind person will not see the confrontation between millions of citizens and tens of thousands of “leaders” of any level.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 17 May 2013 20: 02 New
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          . Without public involvement, Putin cannot cope with it. We are waiting for his appeal to the people, only he will help him. It will not turn out - it is not difficult to predict the result, I already see a contented and satisfied face of Khodorkovsky.

          ... The Supreme must on the Day of Great Victory go up to the mausoleum and with words coming from a pure heart and soul appeal to our people with a call and request to support him ... And then the Spark of God must be kindled in the hearts of Russian people and we must make the Breakthrough, of which Mankind did not know!
          Until it happened.
          We wait...

          Stalin once succeeded ("Brothers and Sisters ...")
          Maybe for this something should happen ... some Event that puts everyone in doubt - "To be or not to be ..."
          Do not turn GDP - will be different!
          We wait...
      2. patline
        patline 16 May 2013 08: 39 New
        13
        Putin needs to spit on these "elites", they are tied to each other, these supposedly elites. In their furnace, along with Marmots and Bears.
        I suggest that Vladimir Vladimirovich rely on real people. I propose, as in the Urals, Kholmansky, to nominate people from the technical intelligentsia from the working class, here is a storehouse of patriotism and the Russian empire. And these people are no stupider than the current "elite". Less cunning? - yes. More straightforward in opinion? - Yes. Yes, Russia needs such, and not swamp cunning.
        Of course, Moscow liberoids will howl, like the cattle came out into the light of day))) Yes, they themselves are cattle mumbling to the tune of robbers.
        1. Vrungel78
          Vrungel78 16 May 2013 08: 51 New
          +5
          So after all, there was already a bet on the people, it did not work. Remember the Popular Front. Even fashion has appeared among the polit. branches to similar associations. Silent. Looks like the same people became objectionable. Another watered. PR. Sorry, the idea was good.
          1. patline
            patline 16 May 2013 09: 04 New
            +1
            So after all, there was already a bet on the people, it did not work. Remember the Popular Front. Even fashion has appeared among the polit. branches to similar associations


            The Popular Front, it was a cry, and again, relying on existing elites, so that these same elites would raise the "Popular Front". But existing elites do not need a popular upward movement, they are happy with everything. Therefore, it did not work.
            It is necessary for such a movement, not to search for leaders in the current elites, but to form new ones.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 16 May 2013 12: 19 New
              +5
              Quote: patline
              Popular Front, it was a cry

              Most likely, it was kitsch.
          2. Ivan.
            Ivan. 16 May 2013 12: 36 New
            +3
            Remember the Popular Front

            The name should not deceive it is just another political party. The people are not the Popular Front, the people are us - we do not need each of us and intermediaries.
            Something has changed there are new communication channels. Once we were united by ideology, now we can unite directly.
        2. Semurg
          Semurg 16 May 2013 16: 00 New
          +3
          If you can give advice to an outsider, we have experience in growing a new elite in Kazakhstan, for this we need to transfer the capital to a new place, for example, in the Urals or Western Siberia. If the Kazakhs could do this in the hungry 90 years, I think the Russians will cope with it. Of course, you might think that simple moving will not do anything, but it doesn’t give more advantages than minuses one of the pluses is the renewal of elites because mainly young people will go to the new capital with ambitions and a desire to work, which they cannot achieve now because they have nothing in Moscow now due to the lack of connections and business interests, the current elite will remain in place due to its connections and business interests and slowness, as it was with us when many weighted earthenware remained in Almaty, they later partially pulled themselves up but did not have that influence. Second big plus the region of the new capital will come to life and pull the entire okrug economically and people will go to Siberia and not from Siberia, which is very important, the separatist movements will stall but they are there and they are waiting in the wings. In general, there are still many pluses, not without cons, but more advantages that not only the National Academy of Sciences but also Peter-1 understood, who transferred the capital to St. Petersburg. The capital is also a political tool and it needs to be able to use, though After all, both the ANAS and Peter needed the will of the “elite” and the capital's residents when they heard about the transfer of capitals.
          1. Danash I
            Danash I 17 May 2013 22: 53 New
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            I have long been inclined towards the option of transferring the capital. A purely administrative, compact, comfortable public administration center east of the Urals. There are more pluses than minuses. But despite the financial costs that the opponents have a strong argument, there is one more and the main thing is sabotage. For this reason, everyone fails. (!!) good projects. Therefore, I agree with you, you need will and rigidity.
      3. Grigorich 1962
        Grigorich 1962 16 May 2013 11: 22 New
        +4
        Yes, an appeal to the people is something that will help him .... and still repentance to the people for their mistakes ...... and as a result of what the people want, this is a change of government led by the MDA
      4. Karabin
        Karabin 16 May 2013 12: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: aksakal
        Here's the last one - while he “fought” with Western leaders for Syria there, someone in Russia did a massive operation to “polarity” practically all central media from a negative (condemning the West) to a neutral tone regarding Syria.

        Aksakal does not agree with you here. Firstly, that the GDP "fought" for Syria, and even with Western leaders, it is said too loudly, even taking into account quotation marks. He wants to be a berry with them, of one field, and you are talking about some kind of "war". Secondly, the tone of the Russian media has always been emphasized neutral, when reporting on Syrian affairs, the exception is the reports of Elena Gromova, but it only confirms the rule. And this neutrality was observed not without official influence.
      5. Ivan.
        Ivan. 16 May 2013 12: 28 New
        +2
        Without public involvement, Putin cannot cope with it. We are waiting for his appeal to the people, only he will help him.

        How long have I been waiting for this hour? Only now, I think he expects no less than ours - how many times he has stated that he is only an official in the service of society, in my opinion this is a clear hint that without reasonable valuable instructions and orders from below, popular appeals, initiatives at all levels of society, he simply has no chance He simply has no authority to beat the “quagmire” around him. All State Duma are vulnerable to control from the outside, so you should not rely on elections, on laws. Those minor victories wrested by the people are extinguished by large-scale failures, which is just what the law on public services means in the future, which implies the transfer of these functions to private corporations, and now by ticking "I agree" by registering for these "services" you "ratify" this criminal law, support and accept self responsibility with little understanding of what. And UEC, bimetric passports? No one knows what is in these microcircuits, no one knows that these obscure and huge devices "take pictures" - some say for a holographic sticker, others for 3D photos still give more scary versions, but no one knows for sure and you can only take pictures with these devices made and supplied by the USA.
        In general, if the people don’t take the initiative and stand up to their full height, then I not only don’t see a bright future, but no one at all.
    2. Forget
      Forget 16 May 2013 08: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Rustiger
      "tightened the nuts"

      I think Putin wants to avoid this ...
    3. vadimus
      vadimus 16 May 2013 08: 30 New
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      Liberastov should be tidied up with a fingernail for a long time, and their shops should be closed and sealed with wax. And who has not yet been fed up with shit democracy, let them look around, its traces are everywhere. And Russia has suffered for a year. It's time to break the pointer from the west. There are enough brains.
    4. fortunophile
      fortunophile 16 May 2013 08: 31 New
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      I think Putin began to understand that all his attempts to control the state are leveled by the bureaucracy, which perceives its posts as "personal estates", and the people for a herd of sheep that need to be sheared. Moreover, it seems to me that Putin is “shackled” even in resolving personnel issues, we see this in the most striking examples (Zurabov, Serdyukov, Chubais ...) of people who steal and prove to be not from the best side are not sent to prison and not fired ”with a kick under the butt, "and moved to another warm chair. I will not believe that in Russia there is not a single normal official except Shoigu, who is thrown as a gag. At first, we all believed that Putin was bound by obligations to the EBN and watched the first term as the “family” continues to rule, the second term came and the removal of Kasyanov, we perked up and thought “well, now it will give it!”, Indeed there was movement and silence ... Now I no longer believe that Putin is doing something; rather, he is "serving a duty" and allows certain people to do business by covering them from above. The fact that people live more or less is the price of hydrocarbons and nothing more.
      I do not agree with Khazin on his name "elite". The Russian elite is scientists, cultural figures, outstanding doctors, and those whom Khazin calls “elite” in the article are bureaucrats and nothing more.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 16 May 2013 08: 42 New
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        Personally, I consider our entire political elite a bunch of crooks, preoccupied only with their personal interests and not at all caring for the People of the Russian Federation (although in essence and according to the constitution they are all servants of the people and the people should be elected). And so the country lives - the people themselves solve their problems, and the elite take care of themselves and parasitize among the people. The elite is led by GDP.
        In connection with the foregoing, I don’t see a fundamental difference which particular group of thieves is currently feeding on the body of our country, who has resigned, and who has been appointed. Fundamental changes in the situation are possible only with a radical systemic shift (preferably peaceful, but how it goes). Otherwise, drown.
        1. Grigorich 1962
          Grigorich 1962 16 May 2013 11: 24 New
          +4
          about "Julie" is a point
        2. ale-x
          ale-x 16 May 2013 11: 50 New
          +3
          Fatty Plus, to you .....
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 16 May 2013 12: 57 New
            +1
            Aleksey here will not be fed up with a plus. The topic is too burning.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 16 May 2013 12: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Personally, I consider our entire political elite a bunch of crooks, preoccupied only with their personal interests and not at all


          It is in such circumstances that one has to work ... and that the main thing is that the methods of Stalinist terror cannot be used. There are still all kinds of Indians climbing over with their money and offers, they are spreading corruption, they are feeding extremism in the country ... In general, the elite, this village must be turned head inside the country - certainly.
        4. Ivan.
          Ivan. 16 May 2013 12: 54 New
          0
          Fundamental changes in the situation are possible only with a radical systemic shift

          If there is an understanding in the power of a crook that there is an opportunity to choose only from a crook, then who has the opportunity to blame responsibility for your life?
          Otherwise, drown.

          fundamental systemic shift

          What and where and who and how and what are we in all this?
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 16 May 2013 09: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: fortuneophile
        I will not believe that in Russia there is not a single normal official except Shoigu, who is thrown as a gag.

        - What are the last names? I can also mention Ivanov and ... that's all.
        Quote: fortuneophile
        Now I no longer believe that Putin is doing something; rather, he is "serving a duty" and allows certain people to do business by covering them from above. The fact that people live more or less is the price of hydrocarbons and nothing more.
        - liberal crap! It has already been proven that in the domestic economy Russia lives off of other things. And five, the powerful support of the military-industrial complex is also aimed at raising the technological level of Russia, since historically it has turned out that the main highly professional engineering corps of Russia is concentrated in the military-industrial complex. And five - this
        Quote: fortuneophile
        certain people
        - This military-industrial complex was not given in vain, Kudrin made it clear, so your assumption is incorrect.
        1. fortunophile
          fortunophile 16 May 2013 09: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          What are the last names? I can also mention Ivanov and ... that's all.

          There are more than one hundred million people in Russia, and of them it is quite possible to find modern Kosygin, Ustinov, etc. Just normal people are rejected by "clicks", there they are outcasts. And you do not recall that Ivanov who knew, but was silent for years so as not to frighten off? wink Earlier there was a list of personnel reserve.
          Quote: aksakal
          - liberal crap!

          This is a good argument. lol There’s nothing to argue. You won, with tears of shame, went to beg a new training manual on Bolotnaya Square wassat
          Quote: aksakal
          in the domestic economy, Russia lives off of other things. And five, the powerful support of the military-industrial complex is also aimed at raising the technological level of Russia, since historically it has turned out that the main highly professional engineering corps of Russia is concentrated in the military-industrial complex

          -urapatriotovskaya crap! This is from a new training manual laughing
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 16 May 2013 10: 19 New
            +6
            “Just normal people are rejected by“ cliques ”, they are outcasts there” - exactly, the power vertical rejects people with a conscience, they do not survive there.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 16 May 2013 11: 58 New
            -2
            Quote: fortuneophile
            There are more than one hundred million people in Russia, and of them it is quite possible to find modern Kosygin, Ustinov, etc.

            - In addition, an ordinary person should gain some authority, which among political scientists is called "political capital." Putin gave a chance to a certain Kholmanskiy - he’s just one
            Quote: fortuneophile
            over a hundred million people
            - made the envoy. There is a chance - use it! Move there in Eburg, as the President’s Plenipotentiary Envoy in this area, remove corrupt officials, improve the lives of people - there is enough power. But nothing is visible about him, nothing is heard. He put forward the proposal - remove the type, "higher education, Russia does not need literate, Russia needs workers", of course, for this stupidity he was "stumbled" (figuratively), and he fell silent. Here is one of one hundred million. They gave a chance - but he could not earn political capital. Well, how and by what other principle to drag out one hundred million?

            Quote: fortuneophile
            And you do not recall that Ivanov who knew, but was silent for years so as not to frighten off?
            - I don’t know, there is a special service officer Ivanov, he was considered as one of the presidential candidates, an adequate official, but this is IMHO.

            Quote: fortuneophile
            urapatriotovskaya crap! This is from a new training manual
            - here I did not begin to spread precisely because the forum users were already citing figures about how and from what income the foreign exchange earnings of Russia and its other revenues are made up. Oil and gas revenues, of course, are significant, but only 37% is the figure already proven here, so I did not develop this topic "Russia lives only at the expense of the price of oil," I simply called liberal crap. Where did you come from? I’ve been here for three years and remember all the debates on this topic. And then “woodpecker”, “spirit” appears and begins to swing orders, again prove everything to him in a new way. Remind the army if served? Although I doubt that I served.

            Quote: aksakal
            since historically it has turned out that it is in the military-industrial complex that the main highly professional engineering corps of Russia is concentrated.
            - Can you prove that I didn’t say so here? Or will you deny that money is really pumping into the military-industrial complex now? Or will you prove in civilian life, in the same AtVAZ, the engineering corps is better or more professional than in Sukhoi, Almaz-Antey or UVZ? Can you prove it? Go ahead, at least neighing over the spirit
            1. fortunophile
              fortunophile 16 May 2013 12: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: aksakal
              I don’t know, there is a special service officer Ivanov, he was considered as one of the presidential candidates, an adequate official, but this is IMHO.

              Well then it's him, here read
              The head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov, admitted that two years ago, while working as deputy prime minister in charge of the military-industrial complex, he knew about major thefts at Russian Space Systems OJSC when developing the GLONASS satellite system. He was silent about this not for selfish gain, but in order to prevent the criminals from covering their tracks.

              Quote: aksakal
              And then “woodpecker”, “spirit” appears and begins to swing orders, again prove everything to him in a new way. Remind the army if served? Although I doubt that I served.

              Slow down the turns ... You have beguiled the borders or your cardboard shoulder straps "demolished the roof" is what you say in the case, but there is nothing to breed "bullying". In the Army he served as a personnel officer, but about who is here longer on the forum and measured in length, ugh term laughing then I could even give you a head start here hi
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 16 May 2013 16: 24 New
                0
                Quote: fortuneophile
                in charge of the military-industrial complex, he knew about major thefts at the Russian Space Systems OJSC when developing the GLONASS satellite system. He was silent about this not for selfish gain, but in order to prevent criminals from covering their tracks

                - read the wrong article. There is a detailed article on this subject, with an interview with this Ivanov, it is written in detail that it was a special operation, because stupid people didn’t steal at all, techies very screwed up, respectively, and did everything very skillfully. If you think it’s very easy to catch a hand and put a stealer, do it at least once. Even though I knew for sure that the two old women heading our apartment owners' cooperative (KSK) (you have management companies in Russia) took a kickback for placing an order - just my builders did it, just the old women didn't know, even so, I could not prove anything and squeeze out these evil old women from our KSK. He showed all the facts to the tenants, he brought his builders as witnesses, he announced the exact numbers, “They steal you from the tenants!”, Nothing. Starasheniya beat off. And the people - "well, steal, but do the same thing, the house is in order!" And here you are giant by the influence of bureaucrats laughing laughing laughing laughing Something with your reasoning I do not believe that you are an officer. Putin is the president and whom he likes to plant. And if he doesn’t plant, it means that he covers them and is at the same time with them! laughing laughing Mr. personnel officer, speak? Somehow does not fit in the head. Or have they served in the most in a remote garrison?
                1. Rustiger
                  Rustiger 17 May 2013 00: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  Something with your reasoning I do not believe that you are an officer.

                  So do I. Friendship, including by correspondence, and various forums with many officers, both active and retired. But I have never heard such attacks specifically on Putin as president. On many of his actions in the board - YES. I myself am like that. I believe that VLA MUST be criticized, because it is elected, and not inherited by kinship (unlike monarchies), but it’s not decent for an officer to have power in the person of the Commander-in-Chief, OCHAHEVA.
                  And if the “officer”, then with ripped epaulets. But not shot laughing . Probably for this and attacks. Developed complex of grievances. . . yes
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 17 May 2013 12: 27 New
                    0
                    Quote: Rustiger
                    Friendship, including by correspondence, and various forums with many officers, both active and retired.

                    - Rustaiger, he is an officer with people, he works with soldiers, he commands and someone commands them, i.e. He has a clear idea of ​​how power works and what are the driving mechanisms. And if Putin has shortcomings, they clearly indicate this precisely in the framework of that idea of ​​the mechanisms of work of the authorities. And it’s hard to disagree with such criticism. And when in general and abstractly groan on the basis of a simplified argument:
                    Quote: aksakal
                    Putin is the president and whom he likes to plant. And if he doesn’t plant, it means that he covers them and along with them
                    - I’m sure that there is not an officer, but a plumber Ivanovich.
      3. Ivan.
        Ivan. 16 May 2013 12: 47 New
        -3
        I think Putin began to understand

        I wanted to say that WE started to guess what he understands, and he knows this for a long time, he is better informed than us, the question is what will we do? We are a small layer of the consumer society, or as Putin says, the source of power in the state. In critical situations, I do not need intermediaries.
      4. Garrin
        Garrin 16 May 2013 14: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: fortuneophile
        (Zurabov, Serdyukov, Chubais ...)

        Now you can add Fursenko too. The cooperative "Lake" is unsinkable.
        1. fortunophile
          fortunophile 16 May 2013 14: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Garrin
          Now you can add Fursenko too. The cooperative "Lake" is unsinkable.

          Igor, this is not the first and not the last of those who are not from the "unsinkable", but from that substance that does not sink hi
          It's a shame that our losers lose to Amer 1: 2 at the World Cup in hockey after 1 period, but I keep my fists drinks
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 16 May 2013 14: 34 New
            +4
            Quote: fortuneophile
            It's a shame that our losers lose to Amer 1: 2 at the World Cup in hockey after 1 period, but I keep drinks fists

            It’s YES, it’s insulting. But it’s not yet evening. drinks
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 May 2013 15: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Garrin
              Fr.Not yet evening

              Yeah, not evening, it's already 4 -1 ............... it got dark damn suddenly crying shorter prosrali match the game judging purely so real.
              1. fortunophile
                fortunophile 16 May 2013 15: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yeah, not evening, it's already 4 -1 ............... it got dark damn suddenly

                Himself in shock ... crying And Ovechkin did not help, it seems the game is played. Today I’ll get drunk and make a row, rampant and orgy lol
                4: 2 scared laughing
    5. vezunchik
      vezunchik 16 May 2013 11: 24 New
      +2
      So I’m talking about this - you have to make a choice - either the elite and the external or civil war) or the interest of the people and the state.
    6. honest jew
      honest jew 16 May 2013 12: 46 New
      +2
      But was it the vertical of power ???
    7. honest jew
      honest jew 16 May 2013 12: 58 New
      +5
      PUTIN COMPANIES

      GDP is a rather interesting person, its main feature is the ability to hide ends in water. The experience of a scout is a valuable thing, and if you add unlimited funding to it, then writing something new about Putin is very difficult.

      All you need to know is broadcasting state channels, and the rest is military secrets.
      But even pitchforks leave a trace on the water, so let's take a closer look at the track of the Russian helmsman - his friends.

      It was very funny that all of Putin’s friends suddenly became billionaires over the past five difficult years.

      Let me remind you that in three crisis years the number of billionaires in Russia has tripled! From 30 to 87!
      http://www.rb.ru/inform/64267.html

      - - -

      The number of villas on the French Riviera owned by Russians has increased 40 times!
      http://realty.lenta.ru/news/2011/10/17/russian/_Printed.htm

      - - -

      But paradoxically, the 2010 budget deficit turned out to be equal to the state of eight Putin friends:
      http://hosjams-pjams.livejournal.com/161663.html

      - - -

      Friends, relatives, neighbors in the country and sparring partners of Putin? All polls are millionaires, or even billionaires.
      http://www.inopressa.ru/article/15feb2011/diepresse/putin1.html

      - - -

      Toll roads? They will be worth the people checked by the prime minister - friends of his childhood:
      http://www.rupor.info/news-v-mire/2010/09/20/platnie-dorogi-v-rossii-strojat-dru
      zja-putina /

      - - -

      It is not clear Putin is friends with all billionaires or billionaires are only friends?
      http://obzor.westsib.ru/news/292

      - - -

      Putin’s aura is so strong that even his classmates, classmates, and former colleagues got along quite well:
      http://www.lenpravda.ru/today/272714.html

      - - -

      There is a layer of businessmen in Russia who are not afraid of bureaucratic barriers and despise political risks. Their property is absolutely protected, and their interests are comparable to state ones. They are untouchable.
      http://www.novayagazeta.ru/inquests/44531.html
      The doors of state-owned companies are open in front of them. And almost any entrepreneur from the Forbes Russian list will gladly offer them a share in their own business. We are talking about former colleagues, good neighbors, friends and just old acquaintances of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

      - - -

      Vladimir Putin and Arkady Rottenberg are close friends and reliable partners:
      http://navalny.livejournal.com/485080.html?nc=731
      no matter what they make money on.

      - - -

      A large and detailed diagram of which of Putin’s friends, neighbors and relatives is responsible for what in the country:
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 16 May 2013 20: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: honest Jew
        PUTIN COMPANIES

        have you been for Putin before? belay Have you been recruited? Or has Putin stolen your last cowards?
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 17 May 2013 00: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: djon3volta
          Have you been recruited?

          Even at birth, Zhen. Rabbi on a watermelon melon near Tashkent. It’s written “honest Jew”, which is already nonsense. So what to talk about. . .
          And he also had a “Polish flag” until recently. But after all, “the damned anti-Semites are minus” and therefore hid behind the neutral "sickle-hammer" Soviet attribute as. . . request
  2. AKOL
    AKOL 16 May 2013 06: 43 New
    +3
    "Just in case, I repeat: all this has nothing to do with the interests of the people, this is a purely intra-elite conflict."

    To be honest, I respect Mr. Khazin very much, but I disagree with his assessment. Any intra-elite conflict cannot be irrelevant to the interests of the people, especially those that this elite controls.
    Here is a link to an interesting material
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7IcnwTN3GU&feature=player_embedded,
    I hope after watching a lot of what is happening now will become clear. The material is a little long, of course, but I highly recommend watching.
  3. smel
    smel 16 May 2013 06: 56 New
    +9
    I liked the article. A PLUS. I disagree only with the fact that the elite does not see threats ... Just as it sees. But it firmly knows that there will never be anything for it, the elite. Therefore, it prefers to do not what the electorate is confused about under its feet, but what is beneficial for itself, what requires less physical and moral costs, which you can put in your pocket (or in offshore). Well, the leader will simply scold or, in the worst case, dismiss. But if the leader sent to the gallows, then either those wishing to make the people happy would be diminished, or they would come to work and not get rich
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 May 2013 07: 02 New
      12
      Quote: smel
      But if the leader sent to the gallows, then either those wishing to make the people happy would be diminished, or they would come to work and not get rich

      A leader, for starters, could have undone immunity for these "elites." Although with most of these "elites" in one outhouse, zaiti stinks of them.
      1. bask
        bask 16 May 2013 09: 15 New
        12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        For starters, an ep could cancel immunity for these "elites." Although with most of these "elites

        How will he cancel? The entire Jewish elite HIS CORES !!!
        He doesn’t touch his own, a taboo ... an example ... he doesn’t touch the malicious Russian wrecker for the whole Russian ((TV show talking with people), although he’s a scoundrel but a scoundrel from my team. makes!
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 16 May 2013 09: 47 New
          11
          Quote: bask
          His, he does not touch, a taboo ... an example ... a malicious wrecker of the whole Russian chybys
          From 1924 to 1940, Stalin, for example, however necessary, could not eliminate Trotsky - painfully influential forces stood behind him both abroad and within the country. Stalin was forced to endure for the time being and the antics of Tukhachevsky and his "guard", one of which publicly promised him to "cut off his ears" ... until 1937. Where did they go then? And, they continued their work under Gorbachev, I forgot. So now with the person you mentioned, “he sees the eye, but the tooth is numb” ... let's hope so far ... well, it would be nice to prepare Ledorub ...
          1. aviamed90
            aviamed90 16 May 2013 11: 24 New
            +3
            Kaa

            "So now with the person you mentioned," he sees the eye, but the tooth is numb "... let's hope so far ... well, it would be nice to prepare Ledorub ..."

            Very good comparison. And there are reasons for it. Only it is not clear, however, what are we building? Parliamentary republic or USSR-2? But Stalin had at least IDEOLOGY. But Putin has no nichert, except for personal "charm"!
            Need an idea. If Putin captivates the people with IDEOLOGY, most will follow him and support him.
            And at this stage, I do not support him. And even more - against him.
            1. ale-x
              ale-x 16 May 2013 11: 59 New
              +6
              I completely agree .. I don’t see anything that could become the national idea of ​​the indigenous population of Russia. Against the background of the general race for money, benefits and dilution of the people, unsuitable for! HIGH TECHNOLOGY! Gaster economics.
            2. Ivan.
              Ivan. 16 May 2013 13: 11 New
              +2
              Need an idea. If Putin captivates the people with IDEOLOGY, most will follow him and support him.

              I have no doubt about this, I just think why think so badly of myself? I will answer with a joke:
              - Little Johnny! Why are you late?
              - We have kittens born Marvanna! All communists!
              In a week...
              - Well, how are our communists?
              - What are MaryVanna?
              - Well then, who were born a week ago?
              - Ah, they are no longer communists; their eyes opened !!!
              Ideology is the same religion as any other.
          2. bask
            bask 16 May 2013 11: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Kaa
            will "... let's hope that bye ... well, it would be nice to have Ledorub

            Hi Kaa hi Hopefully, hope as they say dies last.
            Will we see the light at the end of the tunnel?

          3. Karabin
            Karabin 16 May 2013 12: 36 New
            +8
            Quote: Kaa
            From 1924 to 1940, Stalin, for example, no matter how it was necessary, could not eliminate Trotsky -

            Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev did not have what Putin has. The legitimacy of power directly from the people. The legitimacy of their power was determined by party groups, in which the aforementioned leaders came to supremacy after some time. True Khrushchev is not saved. In this respect, one cannot compare Stalin, or another Soviet leader, with Putin. With solid support from the population, reinforced concrete legitimacy, and almost tsarist constitutional powers, Putin was unable to build a viable system for 12 years in power. Neither political nor economic. Apparently not enough abilities. The second option - the thieves' system built it.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 16 May 2013 07: 54 New
      +7
      Quote: smel
      But if the leader sent to the gallows, then either those wishing to make the people happy would be diminished, or they would come to work and not get rich

      - the joke is that sometimes (even too often) during such attempts the unlucky leader himself went to the gallows laughing I would think 10 times, knowing such a vicious burrow of the "elite".
      But on the other hand, you are right - without the use of gallows in relation to the overgrown elite in any way. Only do this skillfully, otherwise see the first of my post laughing
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 16 May 2013 12: 00 New
        +3
        And the joke is that here and before the article you can agree, just like Kvachkov ...
    3. ale-x
      ale-x 16 May 2013 11: 54 New
      +2
      To the gallows? Why do they need such a leader, well, no, let’s better "chide")))
  4. Vladomir
    Vladomir 16 May 2013 07: 05 New
    12
    What Stalin decided when creating Great Russia to one degree or another will have to go through the leader of Russia if he wants to make it independent, independent and great.
  5. Nitarius
    Nitarius 16 May 2013 07: 07 New
    +1
    Khazin man is certainly strange! And what happens right now is obvious without him!
    That Putin is beginning to force the Nomenclature and the oligarchs to work-and so it is!
    You just need to make them all clear! want to live like veins in warmth and satiety, so let's work!
    Otherwise, it’s for sure!
    I can only wish PUTIN strong nerves and strong willpower!
    Because all this (Nomenclature and the Oligarchs) are quite strong drivers of the country's progress!
    But on the other hand, PUTIN gives time and doesn’t touch it: It makes it legal and close all accounts over the hill, and promises not to touch any!
    Who wants to live and work here must be here!
    Putin gives a choice: either here or go for a cardon! so far no one will be prosecuted!
    Putin has a fairly loyal policy!
    God forbid that without any revolution
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 16 May 2013 08: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      Because all this (Nomenclature and the Oligarchs) are quite strong drivers of the country's progress!

      - Well, everything is poison and everything is medicine ... It depends only on the dose. laughing If these guys
      Quote: Nitarius
      Nomenclature and Oligarchs

      - too much, then this is poison laughing Stop abusing - and you will see how a reduced dose of consumption will turn into a medicine. laughing
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 16 May 2013 12: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Nitarius
      That Putin is beginning to force the Nomenclature and the oligarchs to work-and so it is!

      So how do they work?
  6. taseka
    taseka 16 May 2013 07: 14 New
    12
    “Let’s note, by the way: it immediately follows from here that the modern“ nomenclature ”is an actively Russophobic system” - our wise people, he will destroy you sooner or later for your heinous deeds! Run sukuki!
  7. djon3volta
    djon3volta 16 May 2013 07: 18 New
    +3
    What should Putin do? How to ensure the political survival of the regime he created? The only way is to turn to the priceless Russian historical experience, paid for by the great blood and sorrow of many generations of our heroic ancestors.
    The synthesis of all the best that was in Tsarist Russia and Soviet Russia is the only key to success. Only the combination of the political practice of Stalinism - selfless, sacrificial, merciless - with the primordial Black-Hundred, Orthodox-monarchical ideals of the Russian people can now lay the solid foundation of the new Russian Empire.
    The Kremlin desperately needs its own Oprichnina. Its Black Hundred. His own "Order of the Knights-Swordsmen", a sort of "Orthodox Russian NKVD" of the twenty-first century. We need, firstly: a solid social support, reliable and stable, not subject to the influence of momentary conditions and the corruption of enemy propaganda. And secondly: we need an extensive talent pool of professional managers who are ready to become an effective tool of the Kremlin in public political struggle and backstage undercover intrigue.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 May 2013 07: 22 New
      +9
      Quote: djon3volta
      and backstage undercover intrigue.

      And that without intrigues it is completely impossible or without them the power will fall apart laughing
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 16 May 2013 07: 29 New
        +5
        Without intrigue, they are bored in the first place, and secondly, how to push a neighbor from the greasy grub in the tub? (can be swapped).
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 16 May 2013 13: 18 New
        +2
        Taki guessed - really fall apart, if we clearly see what they are wriggling over there, their power will come! And so in the dark room, in the dark corner, in the dark, they intrigue, I wanted to say they are engaged in public affairs ...
    2. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 16 May 2013 08: 44 New
      10
      Quote: djon3volta
      The Kremlin desperately needs its own Oprichnina. Its Black Hundred. His own "Order of the Knights-Swordsmen", a sort of "Orthodox Russian NKVD" of the twenty-first century.

      The first time, I probably agree with you. Without being tied to Orthodoxy, it’s true, but it is already completely given off by the Middle Ages.
      But it really turns out that Putin = Stalin, but Surkov + oligarchs + officials = collective Trotsky (Zinoviev, Kamenev, etc.)
      It is necessary to introduce a simplified procedure for legal proceedings against officials, confiscation of property. TRIBUNALS AND SPECIAL THREE!
      Family members of officials should go as accomplices, as they should be aware of the amount of his earnings. If there is extra money, it means that the official is stealing from society, and family members enjoy the fruits of theft.
      1. fortunophile
        fortunophile 16 May 2013 09: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Andrey from Tver
        It is necessary to introduce a simplified procedure for legal proceedings against officials, confiscation of property. TRIBUNALS AND SPECIAL THREE!

        And now what is not enough to plant embezzlers? Whoever reveals the facts of theft is, there are articles in the Criminal Code, there are courts, there are prisons and colonies ... What else is needed? Look at the case of Vasilyeva (Serdyukov) why is she sitting in a luxurious apartment and not in prison? Well, they will introduce these "triples" and who will they judge? The opposition? So it’s already pocket-sized and how the lightning rod works, there is someone to blame for all the failures ...
        By the way, take an interest in who removed the confiscation from the Criminal Code and carries out "liberalization" to "economic crimes" (stole a billion, paid off for millions and is free).
        The punitive apparatus that currently exists is enough to press the sorcerers to the nail, but there is no political will.
        1. Andrey from Tver
          Andrey from Tver 16 May 2013 10: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: fortuneophile
          And now what is not enough to plant embezzlers? To whom there are facts of theft, there are articles in the Criminal Code, there are courts,

          Law enforcement agencies and courts have rotted. It must be admitted. I will not give examples, there are a lot of them. At one time, de Gaulle conducted a judicial reform, dismissing 100% of the judges. So he showed that untouchable there.
          Quote: fortuneophile
          Well, they will introduce these "triples" and who will they judge? The opposition?

          But who the fuck is she for?
          Quote: fortuneophile
          The punitive apparatus that currently exists is enough to press the sorcerers to the nail, but there is no political will.

          I had to work in state time. organs, and in rather big posts. He himself saw how direct and rigid instructions were washed away, their execution was stretched out in time, various reasons were invented not to do this. And they didn’t “solve the problem” to the leader who gave the instruction, but to the concrete contractor who was “ready for all the services for your money”.
          And the existing system is too cumbersome: the police or the Investigative Committee, the prosecutor's office, and the court. Corrupt any of these links, and the rest of the state. bodies will work idle.
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 16 May 2013 13: 38 New
          +1
          but no political will

          Who has no political will with us? This is true. And the few that are in power and have not gottenten few and they have little power.
        3. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 16 May 2013 23: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: fortuneophile
          to plant embezzlers?
          I admit that you are not in the know, I will give you figures from almost 700 thousand serving sentences in prisons - 124 thousand officials at various levels. Starting from governors and mayors, ending with police officers. So the fight against corruption is ongoing, but the media prefer keep silence about it. So public opinion is formed that nothing is being done. And to whom is it profitable, I hope it is not necessary to explain ?,
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta 16 May 2013 12: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: Andrey from Tver
        The first time, I probably agree with you. Without being tied to Orthodoxy, it’s true, but it is already completely given off by the Middle Ages.

        the holy righteous father John of Kronstadt prophesied more than a hundred years ago, foretelling our Fatherland the glorious Resurrection. In his sermons, he publicly proclaimed: "I foresee the revival of Russia, even greater and more glorious. On the bones of the martyrs, as on a strong foundation, a new Russia will be erected, but according to the old model ...»
        you understand what we are talking about? according to the old model! and the old model can be either social communism or Orthodox monarchism, without any Euro-homic hints.
      3. Ivan.
        Ivan. 16 May 2013 13: 34 New
        -1
        If there is extra money, it means that the official is stealing from society, and family members enjoy the fruits of theft.

        If he steals, then there are all conditions. In China, shoot what? We also want to turn executions into a conveyor? You need to change the rules, you need to take power into your own hands. For the constructive opposition is unnecessary and even harmful, independent media, too, the abolition of exploitation, interest, inflation, stop confusing private property with personal, secrecy (they build an open society and even interstate negotiations are held behind closed doors) to list for a long time the main thing to forget about "voted and free to remain silent in a rag until the next show. " Everyone took the oath to defend the Homeland not only from external but also from internal enemies, not to see it, you must try!
    3. fortunophile
      fortunophile 16 May 2013 09: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: djon3volta
      The Kremlin desperately needs its own Oprichnina. Its Black Hundred. His own "Order of the Knights-Swordsmen", a sort of "Orthodox Russian NKVD" of the twenty-first century

      And at the head of them (knights-swordsmen) it is necessary to put the great master John and give him a Jedi sword on 2 finger batteries and then in truth it will be possible to call him djon3volta lol
    4. optimist
      optimist 16 May 2013 09: 56 New
      +4
      Hello Putinoids (future Black Hundred oprichniks)! There you are, it turns out, where you are aiming ... Join the line, there will be many who wish! Only your idol in your oprichnina is black ... mostly gaining puff, but you didn’t come out “face”. But get ready anyway: you’ll be lucky !!!
    5. bask
      bask 16 May 2013 12: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: djon3volta
      The Kremlin desperately needs its own Oprichnina. Its Black Hundred. His "Order of the Knights-Swordsmen", et

      What a black hundred anti-Russian criminal article.
      Introduced by Mr. Pu, into the criminal code.
      "" "On March 9, 2010, the Russian parliament showed its true attitude towards the Russian people! Most of the deputies (more than three hundred) voted against the abolition of the anti-Russian article 282 of the Criminal Code. Article 282 of the Criminal Code provides for punishment for inciting national, racial and religious hostility. The peculiarity of Article 282 is its vagueness and therefore universality - it can be used against any citizen for political purposes. "" "[media = http: //www.pravda-tv.ru/2010/04/04/3539 ]
      And who will command this, the Orthodox NKVD, Again, chubsy or another Groundhog.
      Mr. Pu’s shots ... as for selection, all the crooks, debiloids and citizens of one nation. But not at all Russian or Tatar.
      Quote: djon3volta
      stable, not influenced by momentary market conditions and propaganda that corrupts the enemy.

      Enemy propaganda comes just from the Kremlin-controlled media.
      These ,, knights of the swordsmen, will again be sawing and dividing Russia.
    6. Karabin
      Karabin 16 May 2013 12: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: djon3volta
      The synthesis of all the best that was in Tsarist Russia and Soviet Russia is the only key to success. Only the combination of the political practice of Stalinism - selfless, sacrificial, merciless - with the primordial Black-Hundred, Orthodox-monarchical ideals of the Russian people can now lay the solid foundation of the new Russian Empire.

      Wow!!! John, who wrote it off?
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 16 May 2013 16: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        Wow!!! John, who wrote it off?


        Either specifically at Dugin, or at one of the other sitters isyop izborsk club. laughing
  8. fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 07: 26 New
    11
    Hello, Alexander [quote = Alexander Romanov] For a start, a leader could cancel immunity for these "elites". Although with most of these "elites" in one outhouse, zaiti stinks-stinks of them. [/ Quot
    And you can say, it is stinking. In the sense of gold, "stinks"? And it will be right ...
    But put a "minus" or more, I am not for PUTIN. BUT REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE !!!! EVERYONE AROUND THERE IS .... hTO..O .. Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation! And what the fuck are they doing .....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 May 2013 07: 37 New
      +9
      Quote: fenix57
      BUT REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE !!!! EVERYONE AROUND THERE IS .... hTO..O .. Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation!

      Hi Valera! Thank you for reminding me, otherwise I forgot about them. laughing
      Quote: fenix57
      And what the fuck are they doing .....

      This is a mystery, and only our earthly father knows it. wink
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 16 May 2013 12: 06 New
      +1
      Someone should keep a finger on the pulse. Looking or confidant, but the switchman in the end - call them what you want ....
  9. ole
    ole 16 May 2013 07: 36 New
    +4
    All right people are remembered only when it is necessary to achieve any goals, or else they’ll take cattle besides taxes. Putin already loses the confidence of the masses, but he has a bunch of PR moves ahead (resignation, landing) everything is possible. It's a shame that uncle Vova, having kept the country from collapse, did not give an impetus to development. And now, if Khazin is right, it’s already posture.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 16 May 2013 09: 04 New
      -6
      Quote: ole
      Putin is already losing the confidence of the masses

      and how do you determine whether he loses or doesn’t lose? Suppose you don’t believe any VTsIOM and LIVADA who give a confidence rating of%, who do you believe then? Dozens of commentators who negatively relate to his policy? So, they wrote 100 spiteful comments, that means everybody in the country thinks the same way? believe me, 100-300 commentators are not the whole country, and even 30 thousand dissatisfied swamps are not the whole country, the whole country is 143 million when you understand this already ??? when you go out into the street, you just see dissatisfied, angry and poor around you? I don’t know where you live and who surrounds you, but in REAL everything is absolutely opposite than on the Internet, and you know and feel it perfectly, but you don’t want it recognize it is not clear what
      1. ole
        ole 16 May 2013 15: 20 New
        +3
        In the Vologda region and believe me, the circle of friends is wide; there are people supporting GDP, but there are fewer and fewer of them.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 16 May 2013 20: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: ole
          there are people who support GDP, but there are fewer and fewer of them.

          was 70% became 67-68%? yes?
          1. fortunophile
            fortunophile 16 May 2013 20: 46 New
            0
            Quote: djon3volta
            was 70% became 67-68%? yes?

            62% in Moscow and I am among them hi Your brain blew up? I just really don’t see a replacement yet, but the GDP is “mowing” more and more. In the next election he will not be among my favorites hi
            1. YuDDP
              YuDDP 16 May 2013 22: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: fortuneophile
              In the next election he will not be among my favorites

              Churov is not a hindrance
  10. Ermolaich
    Ermolaich 16 May 2013 07: 46 New
    +2
    To the above, the following three points of systemic order can be added. First, like the world as a whole, Russia is at the stage of a civilizational bifurcation, consisting in the choice / transition to a new civilization - from industrial to intellectual-technological civilization (often referred to as information technology). Secondly, for Russian civilization there is a change of development vectors from the west (the so-called "progressively") oriented towards alignment with the east civilization values ​​and constants (the so-called conservative). Ultimately, the future rests with the adoption of the Eurasian vector of development on the West-East intercivilizational limitrophe (by the way, the countries of Latin America, Turkey, Iran (?) And a number of others follow this path ...). Thirdly. in the concrete historical, particular aspect for Russia as a “pendulum island” between the West and the East, the process of quantitative modernization (expressed both by liberal reforms and a group of liberal elites) was required for several decades after the “digestion of reforms” thrown on top. For example: Peter-Anna_Elizaveta ... Alexander II- Alexander III, etc. So for representatives of political elites, now is an interesting time for choice, self-preservation, evolution or death ...
  11. fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 07: 50 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Thank you for reminding me, otherwise I forgot about them.

    "The plenipotentiary representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the federal district - an official appointed by the president of Russia, represents the president within the federal district, ensures the implementation of the constitutional powers of the head of state in the district ..." - from, Alexander, and the chaga they have here (it doesn’t matter in which district) - VICTORIES ((vertically) ... And he must see for everyone .... Theft and RUSSIA- see RUSSIA .... yes
  12. My address
    My address 16 May 2013 07: 58 New
    +7
    I totally agree.
    In normal management, the higher the position (or the more law), the greater the obligation and RESPONSIBILITY.
    Putin should have set fair rules for the game no later than 2001. I met more than once how the changes were easily passed with the appointment of a new leader, subordinates were in limbo and did not particularly resist. But if a lot of time passed, then only had to be changed with blood (dismissal due to mismatch, demotion), and in return hatred and nastiness. Now it’s very difficult for Putin to make ossified people change, and even not in his own favor.
    It is necessary to be guided by one more rule of management - the greater the deviation from the normal state, the greater should be the impact. Perhaps even blood with squirrels, tears and confiscation.
    1. Orik
      Orik 16 May 2013 08: 56 New
      +5
      Actually, everything should begin with RESPONSIBILITIES, and rights already follow from them! In the escort I support, and you can understand the "subordinates" ... they are used to it, they take root. Now only cut down "large deviations."
    2. Rrv
      Rrv 16 May 2013 16: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: My address
      In normal management, the higher the position (or the more law), the greater the obligation and RESPONSIBILITY.


      This is normal. In our case, experience shows that - the higher the “guy” position, the more responsibilities the subordinates of this “guy” and the less responsibility the “guy” has.
  13. mushtuc
    mushtuc 16 May 2013 08: 45 New
    +5
    I do not agree that the conflict of "elites" is not related to the interests of the people. It has the most direct relationship.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 16 May 2013 09: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: mushtuc
      I do not agree that the conflict of "elites" is not related to the interests of the people. It has the most direct relationship.


      It has, of course, in the sense that "when the lords fight ..."
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 May 2013 09: 00 New
    12
    I have already written more than once that everything that is done by the modern leadership of Russia is aimed primarily at the safe existence of a narrow layer of this very leadership and a handful of those close to it. The rest of the population is considered, simply, as a sad inevitability, so to speak, an unfortunate, inevitable hindrance to their prosperous existence. Why did this happen? It is correctly written in the article that the entire leadership of the country, and the whole so-called. the "elite" has long been separated from the rest of the country's population - they live in their own world, with their interests, etc. They are terribly far from the common people of Russia, because they do not live the life of this people, but live in all kinds of enclosed "Rubles", " Kremlin ", etc., where they created simply royal conditions. Under this royal existence, the corresponding cat infrastructure was created. nourishes all these celestials with metered information that should not annoy the "rulers" and which has nothing to do with reality. Understanding nothing in real life, having no life experience, not knowing the real situation in the country, how can such "plants" make any right decisions? Living in such conditions, they believe that now they finally live like "in Europe", and the rest under the name of the Russian people creeps in the mud, and this is the inevitable fate of this cattle because where it dense to understand bright European ideas. It is enough for this cattle to throw a bone from the master's table so that it does not blather and that will be enough. And oddly enough, it works.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 16 May 2013 10: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      ... that everything that is done by the modern leadership of Russia is aimed primarily at the safe existence of a narrow layer of this very leadership and a handful of those close to it. The rest of the population is considered, simply, as a sad inevitable hindrance to their prosperous existence.

      + + + + + + + + + +
      You are looking at the root.
    2. Rrv
      Rrv 16 May 2013 16: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I have already written more than once that everything that is done by the modern leadership of Russia is aimed primarily at the safe existence of a narrow layer of this very leadership and a handful of those close to it.
  15. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 May 2013 09: 39 New
    +7
    And the tail wags the dog bully
  16. fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 10: 11 New
    -3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    . Understanding nothing in real life, having no life experience, not knowing the real situation in the country, how such "plants" can make some right decisions

    Who are you, ... OUR SAVIOR (RUSSIA'S MESSION ANOTHER?
    ) .... or so .. bulk cry ....
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 16 May 2013 11: 02 New
      -4
      Quote: fenix57
      Who are you, ... OUR SAVIOR (RUSSIA'S MESSION ANOTHER?
      ) .... or so .. bulk cry ....

      comrade from Estonia, don’t you see that he is worried about us, the Russian long-suffering people! From the mound he sees better how we live, he wants to help us, to set the right path. The border will help us, as they say laughing
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 16 May 2013 19: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: djon3volta
        comrade from Estonia, don’t you see that he is worried about us, the Russian long-suffering people! From the mound he sees better how we live, he wants to help us, to set the right path. The border will help us, as they say



        djon3volta how much can you repeat, learn geography, this is the flag of Spain, and the flag of Estonia looks like this. This is 1. (see below)
        2.

        In Latvia, the sale of houses in a village named after Putin began
        In Latvia, the sale of houses in a village named in honor of Russian President Vladimir Putin has been announced.
        The village of Putnik, named after Russian President Vladimir Putin, is one of the eco-villages created by the Vianets company, IA Cursor reports.
        A representative of the company, a former deputy of the Sejm of Latvia, Alexei Kholostov, said that Putin “is an outstanding politician in modern history and has done a lot for Russia, the neighboring regions and the whole world as a whole,” and therefore for Latvia the presence of a settlement named after the president will be “a great honor” .
        Putinka is located in the Riga region, between Riga and Jurmola.
        http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/5/16/632894.html


        In your place I would buy, thereby you prove to everyone what patriot you are. laughing From you okromya "glory" I have not read anything worthwhile.
  17. Begemot
    Begemot 16 May 2013 10: 22 New
    +9
    Putin himself created a bureaucratic state, and the starting point for this was the proclamation of the "dictatorship of the law" as a new type of social system in Russia, this was at the beginning of the 2000's.
    7-8 years passed and he himself signed his surrender to the officials, inviting the whole country to offer citizens to raise officials in court. It is difficult to think of a more absurd situation: the country's chief official cannot force his subordinates to abide by the law and suggests that the population themselves turn to some officials (judges) to call others in order. But the mistake in 2000 was hidden in two nuances: 1 For whom will the “dictatorship” be and who will be the dictator? 2. Who will write the laws that will form the basis of the "dictatorship"?
    The answers are obvious. Laws will be written by officials to implement their dictatorship against the people. The historical analogies of the way out of such provisions are not encouraging.
    Revolution, civil war, external aggression, the collapse of the state, the Stalinist type of dictatorship. Without a river of blood, this pack of positions will not give up, but they too can’t endure. There is another way out, but he will require Putin's efforts and decisions, which he is not yet ready to decide, he is too weak and does not have a team of like-minded people. Examples of this path are Peter 1, Ivan the Terrible. Having begun to subordinate the boyars and merchants to the interests of the state by force, these rulers managed to move the country forward. But this must be decided.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 16 May 2013 16: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Begemot
      ... the Stalinist type of dictatorship.


      I especially liked about rivers of blood laughing
      1. Begemot
        Begemot 16 May 2013 16: 43 New
        -1
        But what, 3 500 000 liters of blood is not enough ?, and if you add the dead in the camps killed by fellow inmates, all 5 million will be. I am not a supporter of the fault of Stalin and I quite realistically assess his period of rule, but I do not really want to live under this regime. I believe, dear, I do not want to be among the 642982 shot ones either.
        And the fact that the nomenclature will do everything to maintain control over its territories and cash flows - do not hesitate.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 16 May 2013 17: 09 New
          +1
          For starters, you would be interested in the quality of this blood.
          1. Begemot
            Begemot 17 May 2013 08: 43 New
            0
            Announce the entire list, please!
            1. Rrv
              Rrv 17 May 2013 15: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Begemot
              Announce the entire list, please!


              Take a look here: yadocent.livejournal.com/303976.html

              And answer your question - if repression is really a crime, then what is the motive? Why does Stalin & ko need so many prisoners and executed?
  18. fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 10: 38 New
    +2
    [quote = djon3volta] in Russian historical experience, paid for with great blood and
    [quote = djon3volta] The synthesis of all the best that was in Tsarist Russia and Soviet Russia is the only key to success. Only the combination of the political practice of Stalinism - selfless, sacrificial, merciless - with the primordial Black-Hundred, Orthodox-monarchical ideals of the Russian people can now lay the solid foundation of the new Russian Empire. [/ Quote]
    [quote = djon3volta] Today the Kremlin desperately needs its own Oprichnina. Its Black Hundred. His "Order of the Knights-Swordsmen", a kind of "Orthodox Russian NKVD [/ quote]
    WERE YOU DECORATED WHAT, OR THE SUN WAS HEATED FOR YOU .... IN RUSSIA ANARCHY ??? UHHH. REMEMBER! stop
  19. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 May 2013 10: 44 New
    +2
    In order to change something, it is necessary: ​​firstly, to know what is bad and needs to be replaced, secondly, you need to know how to change and thirdly, who to change with, that is, who to rely on in this.
    First, no P, etc., knows exactly what needs to be changed in this rotten environment, because they live in the interests of this environment and believes that the foundation is good, and only certain moments, in particular, are bad. Regarding the second, not knowing what to change, it is impossible to draw up a clear plan of action, because they only grab onto particulars that do not change anything. Well, and thirdly, P. and Co. they are afraid of their people, they don’t know it, and they don’t want to rely specifically on the representatives of the people themselves, and therefore on the people of their country, and rely on the usual bunch of associates, whom people call the "party of thieves."
  20. djon3volta
    djon3volta 16 May 2013 10: 56 New
    0
    After analyzing the whole controversy, I made a number of interesting conclusions: in short, as soon as Putin leaves the government, true happiness will reign in Russia: the sick will be healed, they will leave the wards, their salaries will be increased 300 times, the career ladder will be replaced with an escalator, education, medicine - for free, crime and corruption will evaporate, the police will stop being rude, people will stop drinking and start to pray, and our faces will shine with smiles. laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 May 2013 12: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: djon3volta
      After analyzing the entire controversy, I made a number of interesting conclusions.

      Further reading your koment could not lie under the table wassat wassat wassat
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 16 May 2013 13: 58 New
      +4
      The end of the world is just described - Putin will leave for the flood-free region, and the rest - paradise.
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 16 May 2013 16: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Volkhov
        The end of the world is just described - Putin will leave for the flood-free region, and the rest - paradise.
    3. ole
      ole 16 May 2013 15: 23 New
      +2
      Yes, this is not the point (analysis), just the majority wants changes and not exorbitant, but for all tangible.
    4. Begemot
      Begemot 16 May 2013 16: 34 New
      0
      It’s too early to bury Putin, he has many years to come. He still has a chance to go down in history as a creator, and not just ... as the body of everything and everyone, like the other two presidents. Only for the ever-slowing pace of real actions, for a decreasing degree of decisions, for uncertainty, indecision and slowness, can a certain impotence be seen. This is what bothers.
  21. My address
    My address 16 May 2013 10: 58 New
    +5
    Speaking of the power vertical elite.
    I completely agree with FORTUNOFIL. You can call many of them elite only with irony, or even with mockery. There are a lot of "effective managers" who cannot be trusted with a team of slinging loaders - they will order one container for cheap transportation of porcelain and a machine, and the money saved will be grabbed and they will even manage to create a traumatic situation. Take DAM, do you think that he can be trusted without fear that he will pervert the good or come up with the bad? The ability to sign in statements for payment, representative appearance and the like does not count.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 16 May 2013 16: 38 New
      -2
      Quote: My address
      Speaking of the power vertical elite ... Let’s take DAM, do you think that he can be trusted without fear that he will pervert the good or come up with the bad? The ability to sign in statements for payment, representative appearance and the like does not count.
  22. Egoza
    Egoza 16 May 2013 11: 03 New
    +3
    Hello everybody! Sorry to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia, repeat but while you are arguing, the following information was posted in our media (I would like to know your opinion on this matter. You know better)
    Former Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Alexei Kudrin may be the successor to Dmitry Medvedev as prime minister. This "Nezavisimaya Gazeta" told an informed source in law enforcement agencies.
    Nezavisimaya Gazeta notes that there is still no clear explanation for Putin’s long public relations with Kudrin on the president’s direct line, more like a presentation by the future prime minister.

    “Recall that so far no one has clearly explained how Alexei Kudrin appeared in a straight line, like a“ piano in the bushes. ”Why did Putin continue to praise Kudrin - despite the critical fervor of the ex-minister’s questions? What happened was very similar to the idea of ​​the people the future prime minister: an expert, an expert on economic bottlenecks. However, Putin also noted his weaknesses: "Alexei Leonidovich was twice the best finance minister in the world, and not the minister for social affairs," writes NG.

    "An informed source in the security forces claims that even before the end of the year Putin can still appoint Kudrin as prime minister instead of Medvedev. The president allegedly gave the green light to this step - in principle. there are many opponents - mainly in the banking sector. And the appointment, if it happens, will not happen immediately: the president set Medvedev tasks that need to be resolved for the new year 2014, "the media said.

    "Actually, the president has already outlined milestones in this process. Medvedev seems to be given a chance to correct the situation with the implementation of the May decrees of the president, but the deadlines are tight. For each month, each minister must draw up a personal plan for" patching holes. " “There is no doubt that the verification will turn out to be extremely meticulous. And if Putin is dissatisfied with the results of his work, he will have the iron argument to radically solve the personnel issue. Therefore, it is hardly worth considering the schedule drawn up by the president as just a form of pressure on Medvedev,” the article said.

    According to the source, Kudrin has another big advantage over other candidates: "Such a prime minister is not a rival to Putin in the presidential election. The country will not vote for him, even if Kudrin has such ambitions." This opinion was confirmed by sociologists.

    The deputy director of the Levada Center, Aleksey Grazhdankin, is sure that although there is a request in the society for a politician who could change Putin's post after 2018, Kudrin’s role as president is “not very consistent”: “Because the main claims to the current government and requirements for the future "The return of social justice. But this idea is hardly close to Kudrin."
    http://obozrevatel.com/abroad/39125-putin-gotovitsya-smenit-premera-smi.htm
    1. My address
      My address 16 May 2013 11: 25 New
      +6
      God forbid! Enough already Gaidar with Chubais. Third American can not stand.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 16 May 2013 13: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      Former Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation Alexei Kudrin may be the successor to Dmitry Medvedev as prime minister.

      Yes, easily.
  23. aviamed90
    aviamed90 16 May 2013 11: 09 New
    11
    Excuse me, but is it not Mr. Putin himself who cherished and nurtured this order of things during the 3 term of the presidency? And now, when the gentlemen of the bureaucracy (the so-called "elite") are getting out of control, he remembered the people? Now is it good for people to ask? Just what? What can our powerless people do? Vote? Do not tell, everyone knows what process we call elections! Revolution? Not relevant for many reasons. And what does he want from the people? Support? She was. What is the result? "Tightening" the nuts for most of the common people in gratitude?
    The people just survive. At the physical level. And he does not care about the mouse upstairs.
    The author all the time shares the “good” Putin and the “bad” “elite”. But this is one and the same. Putin is their integral and integral part.
  24. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 16 May 2013 11: 23 New
    +5
    About Kudrin. Most likely P. is already taking the usual step-substitute. Nobody likes Kudrin — neither entrepreneurs, nor ordinary citizens, for this man, extremely unpleasant in communication (according to those who had the opportunity to communicate with him), oppresses a purely economic, usurious line in everything, absolutely everything, his slogan is " "you don’t bring me profit, you go to x .... you’re not interesting to me." This man is very convenient for P. since being the prime minister he will “kill two birds with one stone” for P.: on the one hand, he will carry out the prepared P and Co. unpopular decisions and laws for the people will serve as a “lightning rod”, because the anger of angry citizens will turn on him when these unpopular measures become a reality.
  25. Mhpv
    Mhpv 16 May 2013 11: 35 New
    +5
    Gentlemen!
    Something is not very strong, I trust Khazin’s words. As it is, everything is stated as if sewn with white thread.
    “Pay attention to how easily any liberal decisions that society actively impedes pass through our government: the Bologna process in education, juvenile justice, health care reform, and so on.” And that all power accepting these laws is Putin alone.
    Go to Hazin’s WorldCrisis.ru website as he is defending the same liberal Kudrin or Surkov’s last shot.
    To whom as though I do not trust article, minus hi
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 16 May 2013 23: 47 New
      0
      Quote: mhpv
      To whom as though I do not trust article, minus

      And you plus. For understanding.
  26. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 16 May 2013 11: 35 New
    +4
    The situation is actually brewing and we all feel it ..... and soon for sure it will still be felt in our own skin or pocket. Decisive action by the President is needed! And there is nothing to be ashamed of, fearing criticism of the liberals and all foreign dishonesty.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 16 May 2013 12: 36 New
      +1
      1962 - born? Well tady peer - sorry. I wrote something similar below. I also feel that it is brewing. In what form? Hard to say. I hope that the GDP will cope. He has everything for this.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 16 May 2013 13: 13 New
        0
        Well, it has begun
  27. pinecone
    pinecone 16 May 2013 11: 40 New
    +5
    Quote: taseka
    “Let’s note, by the way: it immediately follows from here that the modern“ nomenclature ”is an actively Russophobic system” - our wise people, he will destroy you sooner or later for your heinous deeds! Run sukuki!


    That’s why they are trying to dilute our people with hordes of aliens from the East as much as possible and faster. They are their future "electorate".
  28. pensioner
    pensioner 16 May 2013 12: 30 New
    +5
    So I feel that all of these "swamps" have not just arisen. Their occurrence is a consequence of someone's desire. Just as Zhirinovsky appeared at the time of the KGB, so are these. In the sense that initially the order went to them “from the inside”, and not from the outside. And who finances them - all the same from the point of view of morality. Showdowns of the "elites" will all come out to us all. Need to prepare. To remember. Write down. Bury. It will not do without boiling. I'm afraid to crap of course, but it will not do. I feel a tear to the skulls ...
  29. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 16 May 2013 12: 43 New
    +3
    GDP is trying to maneuver between the people and the ultra-liberal part of the ruling elite. Something like "both ours and yours." I believe that being partly liberal in himself, he has to keep particularly zealous and reckless liberal-comprador stallions such as DAM and other butlers. But one day, nevertheless, the moment will come when it will already be necessary to make a choice: either to be with the people or with those who destroy Russian statehood. Or do you clean the country from all this liberal riffraff clearly, consistently and toughly, or you risk being cleaned yourself ...
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 16 May 2013 14: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Kushadasov
      But one fine day there will nevertheless come a moment when it will already be necessary to make a choice: either to be with the people or with those who destroy Russian statehood. Or do you clean the country from all this liberal riffraff clearly, consistently and toughly, or you risk yourself being cleared ...

      Something like that, and I think ...
  30. Karabin
    Karabin 16 May 2013 13: 02 New
    +6
    The fact that our economy, and after it the whole socio-political life awaits hard times, is not the only one Khazin notices. Common sense dictates that a huge country with a mild climate cannot exist normally in an economy where industrial production is replaced by a "screwdriver" surrogate, for some reason proudly called cooperation, or importing products where agriculture produces half of the country's needs, where banks, instead of credit services, offer a credit loop, where 10% of the population own 90% of the property and do not connect their lives with a country where the official is not in the service of the state, but on feeding from the post. This is Putinomics. And waiting for Putin to dismantle the system and create a new one is the height of naivety. All that he could, he had already done. We need new people, a new leader with the ideology of protectionism and strengthening the role of the state. There are such people, but they have been moved away from sin by the Putin elite. I doubt that Putin will pull them up.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 16 May 2013 13: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Karabin
      All that he could, he had already done. We need new people, a new leader with the ideology of protectionism and strengthening the role of the state. There are such people, but they have been moved away from sin by the Putin elite. I doubt that Putin will pull them up.

      Yes, I agree, there is. In theory. Where are they in the political horizon? Why not see? Can't make a statement about yourself? Lazy to go to power? Not supported by enough voters? For me, the conclusion is obvious. Our electoral system (that is, the people, for all its shortcomings and power manipulations) is not able to generate worthy candidates for a very simple reason. Because of extremely low educational level of the bulk of voters (not talking about crusts). Those. it’s very easy for him to “powder” his brains, which political strategists use very successfully, pulling more and more conditional daredevils out of their pockets. And if she’s also pretty on her face and a labor biography - so in general a find. All this is further facilitated by the extremely low social activity of the population, a significant part of which lives on the principle of "Wait and See" and "I do not care!". And people are being driven. And nothing will change if you do not make people think, read, watch not only TV shows, but also "Culture". All that can be hoped for in this situation is that the people will not be mistaken in choosing the President (not even a person, but IDEAS, which he, according to the people, personifies. It's too small? Well, what can you do, such times ... Not the bandit is not a traitor, he doesn’t drip poison from his fangs, his wife is sipatic ...), and he, for his part, will find and represent people worthy of candidates in his opinion. As the saying goes from above. Can make a mistake at the same time? Yes. And what, the people in their free choice never made a mistake, or what? Ufff. even tired. as the youth says - IMHO.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 16 May 2013 18: 58 New
        +2
        I have long noticed: the more you write, the less the response. Too lazy to read even on this resource. Whatever the readers ... People are used to the fact that the preamble should be reduced to an ambulo instantly ... And an ambulo - no more than a few words ... Sometimes it is impossible to satisfy expectations ...
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 16 May 2013 19: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: retired
        Due to the extremely low general educational level of the bulk of voters (not about crusts)

        - so bad? I haven’t been in Russia for a long time, but I communicate not only on this forum, on the INOSMI website and on the Vzglyad website, and for some reason I have no impression
        Quote: retired
        extremely low educational level of the bulk of voters (not talking about crusts)
        . The vast majority are well-educated adekvats, maybe they are mistaken in something, the one who does not read and does not think at all is wrong laughing
        I don’t know, I don’t know, Mr. Retired, what about the extremely low general educational level, and even the bulk of them are deeply mistaken laughing
        By the way, what would you not be puzzled greatly on the topic "how is it? Aksakal claims that a stupid system of very clever elements can turn out! Stupidity is utter!" I’ll explain right away - maybe even how !!! And vice versa it can be - a very clever system can turn out from silly elements. An example is the human brain, consisting of lards of "blunt" neurons. An example of a not very successful system of smart elements - Russia laughing As you connect the elements with connections and interdependencies, such a system will turn out, the properties of the elements here are secondary. So go and think, and do not call the Russians ignorant, such things in retirement age actually even know purely from life experience.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 16 May 2013 20: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          I don’t know, I don’t know, Mr. Retired, what about the extremely low general educational level, and even the bulk of them are deeply mistaken

          Well, I don’t know about you, but I personally move very actively around my native Russia. And, basically, I don’t live in Paris, rather the opposite: Morshansk, Torzhok, Gryazovets, Sheksna, Yugorsk, Tchaikovsky, Belousovo, Kursk, Ukhta, Syktyvkar, Kotlas, Tomsk and more .... and this is only for the last year and this only from BIG. I SEE the country "from within", which gives me some right, speaking on my own behalf, to generalize a little. I myself, while on a business trip in 201 .. (I forgot when the elections to the Duma were there? I remember the winter was in full swing ...) Pelym (Sverdlovsk Region) came to the hut. and made them accept me as a voter (what it cost me is a separate issue). And he voted for the Communists (although I absolutely do not respect the modern komunyak). Then EP really won. Whoever and whatever would say. The losers have a question "HOW?" and "HOW MUCH?" Answer: basically. Count and recount details ... Well, I can’t believe my own eyes! Let it be slightly biased .... Oh, very lightly.
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 16 May 2013 23: 57 New
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          As you connect the elements with connections and interdependencies, such a system will turn out, the properties of the elements here are secondary.

          Try to take electric charges with different signs as elements. And try to make your connections. You will be very surprised about how the properties of the elements influence (if there are more than 3 of them, then you will break your brain at all). Well, how to connect the elements with "interdependencies" I did not understand at all.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 17 May 2013 17: 41 New
            0
            Quote: retired
            Try to take electric charges with different signs as elements. And try to make your connections. You will be very surprised about how the properties of the elements influence (if there are more than 3 of them, then you will break your brain at all). Well, how to connect the elements with "interdependencies" I did not understand at all

            - this is from another opera - a description of the movement of three bodies influencing each other.

            Quote: retired
            Well, how to connect the elements with "interdependencies" I did not understand at all.

            - everything is simpler. If at the intersection 3 bandits met and, glancing at each other and not saying a word to each other, parted, then these are just three bandits, not a system and not an organized crime group. But if they stopped and talked, took some kind of obligations to each other, made some kind of division of labor, then this is already a system, already organized crime groups. And she is much more dangerous than the same three bandits, but acting separately, unconnected with each other.
            In Russia, the structural complexity of the state system is insufficient. The word "complexity" is used here not in a negative sense, as among designers, when they evaluate the complexity of a design, but in a positive, like by biologists, when they compare the brain, for example, rats and the human brain. According to biologists, in this case, it is the complexity of the human brain that is the positive factor that gives it great advantages over the rat brain. So, I repeat, in Russia the structural complexity of the state system is insufficient. Many links and interdependencies are lacking. In particular, the lack of so-called loops feedback. Read about feedback and its physical meaning on Wikipedia in the "cybernetics" section. For example, the legislator, when publishing a bad law, should immediately feel that the law he created is bad, and feel it in his own skin or in his own pocket. Many forum users write about this here, intuitively guessing that such feedbacks are simply necessary in Russia, although many have no idea about cybernetics and the theory of complex systems. But there are no such feedbacks in Russia, that’s all the trouble. Even an internal combustion engine cannot work without a feedback loop - there is a centrifugal rotation regulator on the crankshaft ...
            As a matter of fact, if you create a system smartly, connect the elements smartly, the feedbacks are laid so that if one element does harm to the other or other elements, then it will also get "nuts" - this is of great importance they do not have the individual properties of each element, if only this element in its place correctly performed its function.
            There are billions of cells in the human body, each cell is incredibly complex, it has mitochondria, a nucleus and so on. But the organism at its level is not interested in how complex each cell is; it is interested in the fact that a cell, according to a certain signal (a thread of hormones), fulfills some function of its own, and that’s all! And how the cell is structured - the body from its level is completely up to the question, even if only from one electronic engineer.
            Therefore, your vision of the reasons for the low state effectiveness in the low educational level of the vast majority of the population is wrong. CAUSE OTHER. Here the architect, the one who is engaged in state building, is to blame. The individual properties of the elements here are secondary. It will always be possible to select the desired element for a particular place.
  31. USNik
    USNik 16 May 2013 13: 18 New
    +3
    The fact that our economy, and after it the whole socio-political life awaits hard times, not only Khazin notes.

    You forget to add that Khazin has been observing this for 10 years now, and all the same - stagnation, degradation, screwdriver assembly (yeah, completely constructed factories are also screwdriver assembly), government officials, police officers, murderers, medical murderers, military pilots ... In general, according to Khazin, we all have already died, 3 times. crying
  32. fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 13: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    "An informed source in the security forces claims that even before the end of the year, Putin can still appoint Kudrin as prime minister instead of Medvedev. The president supposedly gave the green light to this step - in principle.

    If in my opinion - you do not know what to do, - take a step forward, but just not into the abyss! negative
  33. rennim
    rennim 16 May 2013 13: 29 New
    +1
    And waiting for Putin to dismantle the system and create a new one is the height of naivety

    Putin himself created (and is creating) such a vertical. But I would not call him a hostage to the situation.
    I have no doubt that everything is thought out to be in such a state as it is. It may not even be by himself. And in which case the GDP always has a reserve airfield.
    That Golikova ... that Fursenko that Makarov did not find themselves after the failed reforms. All became advisers to the president and the Moscow region. Fursenko now Skolkovo will steer. Golikov's Audit Chamber. These mediocrities destroyed what they could and still remained in the echelons of power. And someone naively believes that something will change ... NO! And it’s not even Medvedev. If someone else is in his place ... from the grip of GDP (United Russia, the result will be the same. Only a complete change in the whole course (and ideology) with a change in nomenclature starting from the chapter and ending with the last clerk will save Russia from the pit into which it rolls more and more rapidly.
  34. Mhpv
    Mhpv 16 May 2013 14: 22 New
    +2
    QUARTET
    Prankish Monkey,
    Donkey,
    ,
    Yes clubfoot Bear
    They started to play the Quartet.
    We got notes, bass, viola, two violins
    And sat on a meadow under sticky, -
    Captivate your art light.
    Hit in the bows, tear, but no sense.
    10 “Wait, brothers, wait!” The Monkey shouts: “Wait!
    How does music go? After all, you are not sitting like that.
    You with the bass, Misha, sit down against the viola,
    I, prima, will sit against the second;
    Then the music will not be the same:
    We will dance the forest and mountains! ”
    Settled, started the Quartet;
    He still can’t do it.
    “Wait a minute, I found a secret,”
    Donkey screams: “we really get along,
    20 Kohl next to sit. "
    We listened to the Donkey: sit serenely in a row;
    Nevertheless, the Quartet is in no way.
    Here, more than ever, they went to the analysis
    And disputes,
    Who and how to sit.
    82
    Nightingale happened to fly their noise.
    Here, asking everything to him, so that they can be solved by doubt:
    “Perhaps,” they say: “take patience for an hour,
    To Quartet in order our lead:
    30 And ​​we have the notes, and the instruments are:
    Just tell us how to sit down! ”-
    "To be a musician, so must the skill
    And your ears are poorer ”,
    The Nightingale answers them:
    “And you, friends, no matter how you sit down,
    You’re not good at musicians. ”
    In my opinion this is a clear definition of our entire leadership hi
  35. Combitor
    Combitor 16 May 2013 15: 01 New
    +1
    The above article is not the first in the media (print and on the Internet) on the coexistence of GDP and the swindler that he feeds and is admitted to power, called by some regime-fed article authors, the political elite of Russia. The results of public opinion polls by various “foundations” on the topic for whom the people would vote have already begun to appear in various media outlets if the presidential election takes place today (tomorrow, in a week). The result of these polls is one that was to be expected. Most would vote for GDP. Only percentages are different, but always the majority. Apparently, this depends on the amount of money that falls on the accounts of these "funds" from the government. Apparently, the GDP has decided to “break through” the degree of its popularity among the people, and the media fed by the authorities will adjust Putin’s rating in the direction he needs so that the people have the right opinion. I believe that this is not casual. The Führer never just does anything. In the comments, proposals were made to give confidence to the GDP, to almost create a new popular front and proclaim Putin as almost the leader of this front. They just forgot that we already went through this and what it led to. Somehow I don’t want to fall into the same pile of shit again for the fourth time in 13 years.
  36. fenix57
    fenix57 16 May 2013 16: 15 New
    +2
    I would like to ask all those present: everyone represents the GREATNESS OF THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA ... THIS IS NOT GERMANY, NOT LITHUANIA OR ESTONIA, NOT THAT THERE WAS THIS RUSSIA !!! AND ATTENTION AT LEAST ANY PARALLELS IN COMPARISONS IS SIMPLY NOT AVAILABLE. AND SOMETHING ANYBODY (once again interested in) WILL BE CALLED,-WHO WHO WILL BE ABLE TO EXTEND RUSSIA. GDP?
    After all, the progress has begun ... Steps forward (namely steps), but forward! Otherwise, all these "secretaries" would not "ride" to us -You DO NOT FIND ..
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 16 May 2013 20: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      I would like to ask all those present: everyone represents the GREATNESS OF THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA ... THIS IS NOT GERMANY, NOT LITHUANIA OR ESTONIA, NOT THAT THERE WAS THIS RUSSIA !!! AND ATTENTION AT LEAST ANY PARALLELS IN COMPARISONS IS SIMPLY NOT AVAILABLE. AND SOMETHING ANYBODY (once again interested in) WILL BE CALLED,-WHO WHO WILL BE ABLE TO EXTEND RUSSIA. GDP?
      After all, the progress has begun ... Steps forward (namely steps), but forward! Otherwise, all these "secretaries" would not "ride" to us -You DO NOT FIND ..

      Phoenix! I don’t know your beliefs (I'm sorry I can’t remember everyone, I'm sorry that YOU are so quick), but YOU are right at 200%. No one canceled the law of inertia! The heavier the body - the greater the force must be applied to change its speed! If a country like Andorra rushes in one direction and it is necessary to change the vector of its development, this is not at all the same if we decided to take the same action, for example, with a country like Ukraine. The scale determines the inertia most easily expressed in YEARS. Well, on the scale of social. shocks too.
      Why am I all this. Russia is a huge country. Changes, no matter how progressive they may be, go from YEARS to distant suburbs for YEARS. And with these OBJECTIVE factors do nothing! About this yet owls. historians wrote. True, they are not in authority now ... Sorry for the statement of my beliefs. The Internet seems to be our zone of free thought ... Or not?
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 16 May 2013 22: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: retired
        Changes, no matter how progressive they may be, go from YEARS to distant suburbs for YEARS.

        Even the Gorodnichy in The Inspector General noted: "You can jump from us for at least three years, you won’t reach any state." Just like Gogol had a province with city officials, nothing has changed in more than two centuries. Well, except that the names of posts are either city officials, then the executive committee, or mayors, but their essence is the same as you would not name.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 16 May 2013 23: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Captain45
          my Gorodnichy in The Examiner remarked: "Jump from us for at least three years, you won’t reach any state." That's how under Gogol there was a province with city officials, nothing has changed in more than two centuries

          Here I am about the same! Inertia is present in the heads too! And it is not yet known which is stronger: spatial or in the heads ...
  37. Rrv
    Rrv 16 May 2013 18: 17 New
    +1
    Can any of the supporting pu point out facts that clearly indicate that he is at least trying to build a system that meets the aspirations of most of the people? In my opinion, no, but temporarily suppose that it is.

    What is a presidency? The President of the country is essentially the head of the corporation appointed by the board of shareholders to solve the tasks set by this board.
    If the head of the corporation for a long time does not cope with the tasks, creates left-wing firms headed by his sidekicks, and merges them with assets, if his efficiency does not exceed 20% - the board of shareholders is not puzzled by the reasons for which the head of the corporation does not cope with his duties, he it just changes.

    Does anyone doubt that PU is pursuing a neoliberal policy leading the country towards greater integration into the global economy, into globalism? Someone else did not understand that after the global economy comes global politics, from which the horror story about the "global electronic concentration camp" is at hand?

    The country is following a neoliberal course through globalism to a system of new feudal fascism on a global scale - you, gentlemen, zaputintsy, want this?
  38. vezunchik
    vezunchik 16 May 2013 20: 55 New
    +1
    The Moscow City Property Department put up for sale the Moscow United Energy Company (MOEK), ITAR-TASS reports.

    The initial cost of the privatization object is 98 billion 620 million 412 thousand rubles. Auction step - 4 billion 931 million 20,6 thousand rubles excluding VAT.

    MOEK serves 226 thermal stations and 8 electric energy production facilities. Moscow owns 89,9 percent of the share capital of the energy company.

    From May 20, acceptance of applications for participation in the auction for the sale of the company will begin. This was reported by "RG" the head of the Department for Competition Policy of Moscow Gennady Degtev. According to him, it will last until July 22, and the open auction itself is scheduled for August 13.
    MOTHERLAND SALE CONTINUES!
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 16 May 2013 22: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: vezunchik
      The Moscow City Property Department put up for sale the Moscow United Energy Company (MOEK), ITAR-TASS reports.

      Well, who put up for sale, Putin or the department? Where does the Moscow City Duma look with its deputies? And why did the opposition that "cares" about the people did not come out with protests against the sale or shouting "Down with Putin" on Bolotnaya is easier, and why Muscovites did not put forward a proposal to re-elect the Moscow mayor as an ineffective manager or is it should Putin do everything for 11 million people in Moscow?
  39. Captain45
    Captain45 16 May 2013 23: 14 New
    -2
    And why don’t you agree that you set a minus? Or just because you suggested that you solve problems yourself, and not shift it to the President?