The Su-25 in the SVO and beyond: what should this aircraft become?

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The Su-25 in the SVO and beyond: what should this aircraft become?
The Su-25SM3 was a significant step up from the baseline version of the aircraft, but it's long been insufficient. Photo: Alexander Lebedev


One of the characteristic features of the ongoing SVO in Ukraine is the dying out of traditional methods of direct aviation support provided by both aircraft and helicopters.



For a long time, the main way in which aviation supported troops on the battlefield was through unguided strikes rockets.

The specificity of such strikes in previous years was that, on the one hand, unguided rockets (UNAR) are inexpensive, but on the other hand, if the aircraft or helicopter was on a stable course at the moment of launch and aimed accurately, they were quite accurate.

But even minimal resistance from the ground already called into question the effectiveness of the NAR.

For example, the US Air Force transitioned from unguided rockets to cluster bombs back in the 80s, with corresponding tactical changes due to the obvious difference in accuracy between the two weapons. Unguided rockets are still used, but as a specialized, niche weapon, rarely deployed.

The USSR and Russia have not waged wars with an enemy that has powerful systems Defense, and this evolutionary leap was missed.

As a result, during the SVO, helicopters and Su-25 attack aircraft sharply lost their usefulness - launching unguided rockets from a pitched position is absolutely obvious (and this can even be confirmed by calculations, if necessary) is completely useless and only hits any targets by accident.

At the first stage of the SVO, the solution could be to use a method such as the use of high-precision weapons and its targeting would be accomplished not by the aircraft's own targeting and navigation system, but by an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). Target observation and targeting would be performed by the UAV, while the aircraft or helicopter would only launch the guided missiles from a safe distance.

The concept of such an aviation complex was outlined in the article "Promising strike aviation complex, based on the experience of the SVO".

But right now, the intensity of the use of UAVs of various types has led to the use by both sides of the war of extremely dispersed combat formations, conducting attacks with the forces of one or two infantrymen, but with the support of UAVs of various types and sometimes artillery and other similar phenomena that are abnormal from the point of view of modern concepts of military affairs.

As a result, there were simply no targets for aircraft using the tactics described in the article.

At the present time, the only sensible scenario for the combat use of aircraft is the use of various types of guided weapons with their release outside the enemy's air defense zone.

When the problem of attack UAVs is resolved in one way or another, the conditions for the use of aviation may change again, which makes this article irrelevant.

But right now these conditions are what they are.

It is obvious that modern combat helicopters simply cannot be used effectively in such conditions.

The situation with the Su-25 is somewhat different.

While nearly useless in its current form and with an unsolvable mission in the form of close air support using unguided rockets, it can nevertheless be quickly upgraded into a much more useful machine capable of performing entirely different tasks than simply firing unguided rockets at a non-resisting target.
This article is devoted to the options for such modernization.

Airborne equipment and weapons


There have been many Su-25 modernization projects in the past, many of which were realized as prototypes that flew at exhibitions, but of the modernized versions, only the SM3 variants are currently in service.

The Su-25SM3 has a SOLT-25 targeting system with television and thermal imaging channels, multifunctional displays in the cockpit, a GLONASS navigation system receiver and, perhaps most importantly, the Vitebsk onboard defense system, which includes an improved L-150-16M Pastel radiation warning station and container stations that work in conjunction with it. EW The L-370-3S under the wings and an ultraviolet detection system for missiles approaching the aircraft in the rear hemisphere. Unlike helicopters, the attack aircraft lacks a system to suppress missile seekers that target heat-contrast targets, which has already resulted in significant losses, beginning with Major Roman Filippov, who was killed in Syria.

However, the composition of guided weapons hasn't changed fundamentally. As for combat use, attack aircraft are used with unguided rockets as their primary weapon and employ the ineffective tactic of launching missiles from a nose-up angle. Modernized and non-modernized attack aircraft are used jointly.


Launching unguided rockets from a nose-up position is one of the most harmful initiatives of this war—a sheer dumping of ammunition into the fields, risking the pilots. Meanwhile, ground troops gain the illusion of immediate support. Photo: Izvestia/RIANews»

When assessing the potential for upgrading an aircraft's avionics, it is important to consider that this is not a new aircraft, the service life of the attack aircraft's airframes is partially exhausted, and the aircraft itself, due to the lack of a pressurized cabin, has limited potential, and therefore, drastic changes are impractical.

First and foremost, the avionics must be upgraded to incorporate new types of precision-guided weapons, additional reconnaissance, target acquisition, and self-defense capabilities. In the future, the Su-25 may be equipped with a compact radar, similar to what was installed on the Su-25TM (Su-39). However, other priorities are needed first.

The Su-25 must transform from an aircraft that uses weapons while inside the air defense zone into a machine capable of doing so from outside.

To achieve this, the following items must be included in the weapons it uses.

The first is the D-30SN universal inter-service glide munition (UMPB). This weapon is lighter in weight than the combination of the universal planning and correction module (UMPK) and the FAB-500, but has a greater range due to its superior aerodynamics. This weapon is one of the optimal options—an attack aircraft can use it from outside the engagement zone of Ukrainian air defense systems.


UMPB D-30SN under the wing of the Su-34

The aircraft's avionics must be adapted to the use of this weapon.

The second example of an existing weapon that the Su-25 should be able to use is the small-sized Banderol cruise missile.

This missile is lightweight but has a range of over 400 kilometers. It can even be fired from helicopters, and even more so from the Su-25. However, it is not included in the aircraft's armament.

The use of this missile will allow the entire attack aircraft fleet to engage in precision missile strikes against targets throughout Ukraine, and beyond. Moreover, its future use may be much broader than currently imagined—more on that below.


The Banderol cruise missile. Tested by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the Ukrainian Armed Forces confirm the missile is a success. Image: Project Rybar

The next type of weapon that should be installed on this aircraft is the Kh-38ML/MK/MT/MA guided missiles.

This supersonic missile has an optimal maximum target launch range for such an aircraft and will seamlessly integrate into its armament. It is also possible to integrate Grom glide bombs into the aircraft's armament.


X-38MLE. Photo: Wikipedia

If UMPK missiles with FAB-250s are delivered, they should also be used. The FAB-500, with its aerodynamics, would likely have insufficient range when launched from a Su-25 and is therefore not considered.

All of the above-mentioned weapons are more or less mass-produced (there are questions about the mass production of the "Banderoli", but not about the manufacturer's capabilities, and the X-38 is not yet a fact that it has been completed, but in any case, this can be resolved).
All of these will eliminate the need for attack aircraft to enter the range of Ukrainian short-range air defense systems, which is inevitable when using current tactics.

And most importantly, with this weapon, the Su-25 will actually hit targets, rather than just plowing up fields.

But the current situation in the Central Asian Military District may not be permanent. Other wars lie ahead, with weaker enemies, and the time is ripe to finally learn how to combat air defenses systematically. As the American example shows in all their wars, beginning with Vietnam, air defenses are not a magic wand or an impenetrable shield; they can be destroyed. The current war with Iran, where the US and Israel have not lost a single combat aircraft, is a clear example of what we should strive for.

The Su-25 has a low altitude, but even 4500-5000 meters against an enemy that has lost all of its air defense systems is already a safe altitude.

This means that it will be possible to work with bombs sometimes.

In the event that the situation allows for the use of bombs, the Su-25's armament should be supplemented with small-sized KAB-50 family bombs on multi-lock racks.

Together with the guided bombs that the Su-25 can already carry, these bombs will fill a niche in the destruction of small and soft targets, moving targets, targets on which it is simply irrational to waste the "five hundred".

The last thing that needs to be “prescribed” on the attack aircraft is guided versions of unguided rockets for hitting slow-moving air or surface targets.

Russia has developed guided versions of the S-8 unguided rocket—the S-8L missiles. Regardless of their current price, they are invariably cheaper than standard air-to-air missiles. Their use from an attack aircraft capable of laser target illumination will allow it to intercept heavy Ukrainian UAVs.

The attack aircraft lacks a radar, but using guidance from ground control stations or other aircraft, it can still be guided to air targets, and then it will handle the rest on its own, especially if the target is not capable of resisting, at least for now.

The return to service of a compact anti-radar missile, similar to the Kh-25MP or Kh-27PS, is urgently needed. One doesn't exist yet, but given the documentation for older models and the facilities where these missiles were manufactured, it needs to be developed. Then the Su-25 could be used to destroy air defense systems. An analogy is appropriate: our Su-35s fly with one Kh-31MP anti-radar missile, just in case of sudden exposure.

At least the Su-25, for which the Kh-31 is too heavy, will have the same capability. Naturally, the new missile will require a different seeker.

To employ laser-guided weapons from high altitudes or extreme ranges, the Su-25 must be able to utilize the T220 targeting pod, developed by JSC Scientific and Production Corporation Precision Instrument Systems (JSC NPK SPP, Moscow) and tested since the 2010s. Media reports suggest that the pod can only be used effectively on two-seater aircraft, but it was tested on single-seaters, so this information is likely simply incorrect.


Su-35 with a container, the container is suspended on the underfuselage hardpoint

All of the above will allow the Su-25 to once again become a relevant combat aircraft, capable of attacking targets from a long distance without being exposed to ground fire.

In fact, after this, it will cease to be an attack aircraft and will turn into a light tactical attack aircraft with the widest possible capabilities.

Its major advantage will be its ability to operate from unpaved and snow-ice airfields, which is impossible with heavier aircraft. Its disadvantages include the lack of a pressurized cabin, low ceiling and speed, and short range, which is partially offset by the use of external fuel tanks.

However, in addition to expanding the range of weapons and the corresponding modernization of the avionics, the aircraft also needs to increase its defensive capabilities.

On-board defense system


The composition of the onboard defense system (BKO) of the Su-25SM3 attack aircraft was listed above; it should be supplemented by the fact that the aircraft can fire IR flares.

However, this is not enough.

We won't evaluate the L-370-3S electronic warfare station—there's insufficient data to do so. While we assume it can reduce the probability of hitting an aircraft with radar-homing missiles, we'll note that its effectiveness is inherently insufficient to negate the need for other means. Furthermore, missiles can also have infrared homing, including high-altitude missiles or even air-to-air missiles.


Su-25SM3, visible are the electronic warfare container stations under the wings and the ultraviolet missile detection sensors closer to the tail, between the engines.

And here, the incomplete composition of the Vitebsk KOEP, compared to the helicopter version, suddenly becomes a very serious drawback.

Accordingly, it is necessary to at least supplement the electronic warfare station blocks with KOEP emitters – laser stations for optical-electronic countermeasures.

There are three issues that need to be addressed along this path. The first is space. It's simple: if the hardpoints for air-to-air missiles were sacrificed for electronic warfare, then self-defense against IR-guided missiles requires sacrificing the primary weapon hardpoints. The architecture of the laser emitters will likely be different, given the aircraft's speed. They may be designed as a container, with emitters pointing forward and backward during flight. Either way, reducing the number of weapon hardpoints from eight to six, while still achieving reliable protection against an entire class of missiles, is a very good option.

The second issue concerns the very same emitter format mentioned above; they will essentially have to be developed from scratch. But this is necessary and fast.

The third significant factor complicating modernization is common to all the proposals in this article, and the most significant: onboard electrical power. Replacing the old Klyon-PS rangefinder/target designator with a lower-power system freed up some electrical power, but it may not be enough to fully support the "flight of fantasy."

Due to the seriousness of the energy supply factor, it will be discussed separately below.


Inside the Su-25SM3 cockpit. The aircraft's avionics suite has been significantly upgraded. Photo: diana-mihailova.livejournal.com

One way or another, optical-electronic countermeasures will have to be brought to the required level.

Given the need to protect the aircraft in the forward hemisphere as well, it will also be necessary to install missile detection sensors that also operate forward in the direction of flight. Whether there's room for this right now is best left to the engineers to determine, but it's worth noting that the Su-25 has ample space in the nose for any equipment—the space occupied by the cannon.

The cannon on this aircraft is extremely poorly designed, as is the case with many other Soviet aircraft.

In general, there is a feeling that, starting in the 70s, something negative has appeared in the design culture of domestic combat aircraft, specifically in terms of the placement of guns - there are too few aircraft on which they are not a “thing in themselves”.

The Su-25's cannon's shortcomings were already evident in Afghanistan: its small ammunition supply only allowed for a few short salvos, recoil almost always resulted in electronic equipment failure, and landing with unspent cannon ammunition could lead to damage to the nose landing gear.

All of this sharply limits the usability of the cannon on this aircraft as such, regardless of whether cannon armament is useful in principle or not.

In the specific conditions of the Ukrainian war, the gun could not be used, even if it worked as it should.

It makes sense to use this space for something else if needed, and if the cannon armament is needed for a specific task, it can be used in a containerized form. And if the only space that can accommodate a system for detecting missiles attacking the aircraft in the forward hemisphere is the space that currently houses the cannon, then this is an excellent option.

Another issue concerning the aircraft's self-defense is the need to ensure the possibility of using electronic warfare stations other than the standard electronic warfare stations of the Vitebsk complex.

These stations may prove to be either inadequate to the new threat or insufficient, and then they may have to be either promptly replaced or supplemented with another container.




Sometimes you have to take quantity for granted - in the photo - the increase in the number of containerized electronic warfare stations on US Air Force aircraft in Vietnam - four AN/ALQ-84 units on the AC-130 and two AN/ALQ-101 on the F-4

For example, Belarus has developed a universal electronic warfare container system, Veresk, suitable for any domestic aircraft.


The Veresk electronic warfare self-defense container station is an analogue of similar products from the West and Israel.

The use of other similar electronic warfare (EW) self-defense stations is also possible. During the Vietnam War, the Americans resorted to mechanically increasing the number of EW pods to protect aircraft. The Su-25 must be equipped with the same capability, meaning that not only the wingtip hardpoints for air-to-air missiles must be suitable for EW pods, but also the conventional hardpoints for strike weapons.

The final issue is the use of active towed decoys (ATDs, also known as active towed radar decoys, or ATDs). These decoys have dramatically reduced losses to US, NATO, and Israeli aircraft since 1999. In fact, six aircraft have been lost to enemy SAM fire with radar-guided missiles in all of the West's wars with Israel, one of which made it back to base and was simply later written off.

And in the same Desert Storm of 1991, 39 aircraft were lost, including 38 from ground fire.

You can read about the effect of this remedy in the article. "The era of traditional air defense systems is over forever.", we need to be concerned about how similar means would appear in our country.

Traps were developed in Russia in the past, but they never entered service.






The "little things" of modern warfare: if these efforts had been completed, we could have already won the Central Military District. The problem is, it's complicated; driving infantry into an assault is much simpler and more straightforward.

For a strike aircraft, this is a vital asset; in fact, without it, an aircraft cannot be considered combat-ready in a war against a serious adversary. The US Air Force uses four decoys on each aircraft, and there is no reason to believe we need less.

The question arises: where to deploy them? There are two options, both of which are being considered by the US Air Force. The first is to integrate the decoy launcher into the weapon's hardpoint while maintaining its functionality.


An AN/ALE-50 decoy launcher integrated into the F-16's weapons mount. Photo: Wikipedia

The second is the integration of decoys into a container-based electronic warfare station.


AN/ALQ-131 electronic warfare container station with an integrated launcher for active towed decoys

Or both options.

One way or another, to sum it up, ABLs should appear on our aircraft, and the Su-25 is a pretty good option to start with.

The second stage of modernization is the radar


Currently, the Aerospace Forces have just under 200 Su-25 aircraft of all modifications. By the end of the Second Military Operation, there will likely be somewhat fewer (if there is an end at all, and it doesn't evolve into "something more").

But one way or another, this is a large number.

Russia faces a threat from the West that is on a scale comparable only to the late 1930s.

Under these conditions, throwing away combat-ready aircraft is a crime against the future. The Su-25 is obsolete, but rather than decommissioning it, it would be wise to buy back Soviet- and Russian-made aircraft worldwide—we'll need a lot of aircraft, and we'll lose our factories very quickly.

The only thing that would render the modernization of these aircraft pointless is airframe wear and tear. If this wear and tear doesn't occur, the Su-25's combat potential will need to be continually enhanced.

And after the measures described above, the next measure should be to equip the Su-25 with a radar station.

There is nothing particularly new about this.

Back in 1991, the Su-25TM aircraft, later renamed the Su-39, took to the air.

It had a suspended under-fuselage radar "Kop'e-25".

Its performance characteristics are easily found on the Internet, and that's not what we're talking about - this example shows that the integration of the radar into the Su-25 airframe (at that time it was a training Su-25UB, but it's hardly fundamentally important now)


A Su-39 on display. The Kopyo-25 pod-mounted radar is clearly visible.

The radar will allow the Su-25 to operate at night in difficult weather conditions, to engage non-visually observable aerial targets, to engage non-visually observable surface radio-contrast targets, and overall, it will be a qualitatively different aircraft.

The integration of radar and electronic reconnaissance equipment on board an aircraft will, in some cases, allow for more effective detection of operational enemy radars.

Equipping the Su-25, modernized as described earlier, with a radar will simply radically increase its value as a combat aircraft.

But an important question remains: electricity.

Electric power


Without precise knowledge of the design, it's impossible to confidently say whether the standard electrical equipment can handle the increased power consumption. We know that:

- The radar on the Su-39 was powered from the on-board electrical network, as was the container television targeting system proposed for the aircraft.
- Two GS-12TO starter-generators installed on the aircraft can provide nominal power sufficient to power all aircraft systems, meaning there is 100% power redundancy (for non-modernized Su-25s).
- When upgrading to the SM3 variant, outdated electronic equipment was replaced with new equipment that had lower power consumption.

These three facts give hope that the issue of increasing on-board electricity generation can be resolved without radical measures.

The ways of such build-up are:

- Possible installation of more powerful starter generators—the potential for this measure is limited, as the engines won't allow for unlimited increases in starter generator power. However, generating a "little" amount of electricity this way is both possible and necessary.
"Remotorization. At first glance, it seems too expensive and complicated. But again, there's a major war with the West ahead, and there won't be many aircraft there. We need to increase our air force by any means necessary, and we certainly can't let it decline."

In any case, combat aircraft engines have to be replaced from time to time. Replacing an old engine with an interchangeable, but different, one is technically entirely feasible.

The R-195 engine had modifications that differed from the base model, such as one with an afterburner. There's no reason to believe that a modification with more powerful starter-generators couldn't be created.

All of the measures described above may not be implemented simultaneously. For example, the integration of new weapons and the ability to use an additional containerized jamming station could be completed immediately, while the enhancement of the onboard defense system's optical-electronic countermeasure capabilities could be implemented during the second phase of modernization, when the starter-generators or engines are replaced.
And last but not least, radar.

Finally, there is such a method as a container generator set.

The US Navy uses powerful electronic warfare pods designed to suppress air defense missile system radars. These pods have their own generator powered by wind. For example, the nose of the old, but still-in-use AN/ALQ-99 pod has a propeller connected by a shaft to a generator inside the pod. Spinning in the wind, the propeller drives the generator, which, according to open media reports, can produce over 30 kilowatts.


The AN/ALQ-99 electronic warfare pod, used by the US Navy to suppress air defense radars under the wing of a carrier-based jammer. The generator shaft drive is visible. In extreme cases, such a pod could contain only the generator.

The new generation of container stations, the AN/ALQ-249, has a turbine with a generator built into the container's contours, providing a power output of 130 kilowatts.

In the most extreme case or as a temporary measure, similar solutions are applicable to the Su-25 (as well as to any other aircraft) - to compensate for insufficient power, one of the weapons hardpoints can be occupied by a generator, and the on-board electrical network must be redesigned to accept power from it.
Of course, everything has a price.

Thus, any of the described methods of generating additional electrical energy will lead to a reduction in the maximum speed of the aircraft.

Besides, in any case, it will no longer have so many weapon hardpoints - two of the eight will be occupied by laser defense stations, two by fuel tanks, perhaps another one by an additional electronic warfare container station and, in the worst case scenario, another one by a generator plant (if it is needed).

As a result, the available number of weapon hardpoints will typically be between two and four. In the most problematic scenario, if a T220 container or its equivalent is needed along with all other systems, the aircraft will be able to carry one bomb or laser-guided missile.

But, firstly, repeat approaches to the target are still prohibited, and secondly, the question is, it's either this way or nothing. Currently, these aircraft can carry two drop tanks and six unguided rocket pods. And they can plow through one field after another. And what's the result?


The typical "Syrian" combat loadout is the FAB-250 and PTB. Attempting to fly a strike with such a load today means the loss of the aircraft with zero damage to the enemy.

But if you try to solve a serious problem in contested airspace, they'll just get shot down and that's it.

Protection determines whether a combat vehicle can perform its intended mission. This has long been recognized for armored vehicles worldwide, and among unofficial military-related authors and experts, even in Russia (there's no point in discussing military science and officialdom).

It's time to realize the same thing applies to combat aircraft. You can only hit your target if you don't get shot down first, otherwise there's no point in taking off.

This applies to the Su-25 no less than to other aircraft. Moreover, it will most likely be possible to avoid such extraordinary measures.

In closing the issue of the list of measures for modernization, it is worth briefly mentioning foreign experience.

Foreign examples of Su-25 modernization


The experience of foreign air forces confirms that the modernization potential of the Su-25 is very high and has not been fully realized anywhere.

Back in the 2000s and 2010s, other countries were also modernizing these attack aircraft. In 2001, Georgia, where the Su-25 was once assembled, unveiled the Su-25KM "Scorpion" variant, developed jointly with the Israeli company Elbit Systems. The aircraft featured modern pilot display systems, a satellite navigation system, a tactical mission display system for the pilot, and much more. Overall, the avionics upgraded the aircraft to the then-European standards, giving it all-weather capability and nighttime operation. At the time, it was the most advanced production version of the Su-25 in the world. The aircraft was now capable of using American guided bombs and Russian R-73 air-to-air missiles.

In the mid-2000s, Ukraine modernized its attack aircraft. The Su-25M1 received updated avionics, a new targeting and navigation system, and a satellite navigation system. According to media reports, the attack aircraft became all-weather capable, and its weapons accuracy increased by a third.

After the start of the Second World War, AASM-250 HAMMER glide bombs and other Western-made long-range guided weapons were integrated into the armament of Ukrainian Su-25s.



A Ukrainian Su-25 is attacking our troops with French-made AASM-250 HAMMER guided glide bombs.

The modernization of the Su-25 in the DPRK is of interest.

The aircraft delivered to this country have been converted into exactly what this article proposes—carriers of small cruise missiles and other guided weapons. The DPRK, with a limited budget, clearly intends to not just shoot, but also hit.

The range of the North Korean Su-25 cruise missiles is clearly measured in hundreds of kilometers; as for the small missiles, as experts on the DPRK Armed Forces point out, they are similar to the Iranian Ghaem-114, which have a launch range of over 10 km and either laser guidance or homing on a locked target.


A North Korean Air Force Su-25 with a pair of cruise missiles and small guided missiles of an unknown type. For Russia, this is an unattainable level.

The latest foreign example is Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan, like North Korea, has converted its attack aircraft into carriers for Turkish-made SOM glide bombs and cruise missiles. These missiles have a range of approximately 250–275 kilometers.


An Azerbaijani Air Force Su-25 with Turkish-made KGK-83 glide bombs. The electronic warfare pods under the wings are visible.


An Azerbaijani Air Force Su-25 with a Turkish SOM cruise missile—its standard weapon. Photo: https://www.edrmagazine.eu

Neither Azerbaijan nor North Korea was deterred by the aircraft's age, and this is logical: the Su-25 airframe was designed for the need for sharp maneuvers close to the ground, in a dense atmosphere, with a large combat load under the wings, and for flights from unpaved airfields. It must have a large safety margin, and therefore, the resulting airframe lifespan must be as well.

Russia only has to catch up with Ukraine, North Korea and Azerbaijan.

Of course, with the proposed armament, our Su-25 will be inferior to the Azerbaijani one, for example. But on the other hand, it doesn't require any reinforced weapon hardpoints, nor any major development work; all the proposed bombs and missiles have either already been used in the Air Defense Forces or require minimal development time (like, for example, a light anti-radar missile). The North Korean version of the aircraft will be better armed but less well protected. And we'll be head and shoulders above Ukraine, which is currently questionable, to put it mildly.

And this does not change the fact that in the future other types of weapons may be included in the composition of the weapons.

Doomsday Trooper


The final question that needs to be addressed is the hypothetical role of attack aircraft in a nuclear war. It's no secret that a conflict with Europe is brewing. It could begin significantly earlier than the decision to modernize the Su-25 (if it's even made at all). This conflict, frankly, is very likely as early as the summer of 2026. But if it doesn't begin, or if it ends too quickly, new wars with the West lie ahead. These are inevitable due to domestic political processes in the EU and the US, as well as the impact of anti-Russian propaganda on hundreds of millions of people in the West.

And while we might still be able to win a local, very limited-scale clash without nuclear weapons, to a "vague draw," albeit with greater losses than the enemy, a major conflict would require the massive use of nuclear weapons.

There's a common misconception that Russia has some incalculable stockpile of tactical nuclear weapons that could, if need be, resolve any conflict. This is, in fact, very much not true.

Delivery systems, including for tactical nuclear bombs, are a particularly serious problem. Only a truly foolish person would think it would be possible to simply fly over a target and drop a nuclear bomb on it. Unfortunately, even equipping nuclear bombs with UMPK systems won't help—Western aviation is not the Ukrainian Air Force, not even the Russian Aerospace Forces.

But there is a solution.

Theoretically, one can recall that tactical nuclear charges for artillery were once created for the Ground Forces, compact enough to fit into 152-mm and 203-mm caliber shells.

Although they have long been decommissioned and presumably disposed of, the simplicity of the gun design allows for the rapid resumption of production of such warheads. And if such a warhead were mounted on the Banderol cruise missile or a similar small missile, it could even enable helicopters to deliver nuclear strikes at ranges of 400 kilometers or more. Or UAVs like the Inokhodets.


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But a helicopter is still an exotic option, while the Su-25, armed with such missiles, will be a battering ram for the nuclear deterrent system. When taking off from an unpaved airfield, the upgraded Su-25 will be able to carry at least a couple of missiles with such warheads and a couple of external fuel tanks.

When taking off from a concrete runway - four missiles and a pair of drop tanks.

The attack aircraft will be able to reach the launch line hundreds of kilometers from the takeoff point and from there deliver four nuclear strikes on targets another 500 kilometers or more away.

Ultimately, even a hundred aircraft with such capabilities will become a factor of strategic importance.

As can be seen, the Su-25 could very well have a bright future. As the example of such militarily advanced countries as Azerbaijan and North Korea demonstrates, the platform's modernization potential is enormous. It has, by and large, never been fully realized.

One would like to hope that such an attempt will be made in our country.

Moreover, we have both the opportunities and reasons for this.
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  1. -10
    April 2 2026 04: 56
    the current war with Iran, where the US and Israel have not lost a single combat aircraft

    And the fighters shot down over Kuwait, even by friendly air defense, as the Americans claim, were not combat aircraft? what
    1. +7
      April 2 2026 05: 28
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      And the fighters shot down over Kuwait, even by friendly air defense, as the Americans claim, were not combat aircraft?

      They were shot down in hothouse conditions when no one expected an attack because they were "with their own people."
      1. + 13
        April 2 2026 07: 17
        The Su-25 in the SVO and beyond: what should this aircraft become?

        Roughly none. The very niche of a close-combat support aircraft should be filled by an armored UAV armed with all the latest weapons. Stop digging up the flight attendant.
        1. +1
          April 3 2026 05: 58
          Wouldn't it be easier at this stage to convert the Su-25 into a UAV?
          The Chinese do this with most of their obsolete aircraft, judging by the publications.
          I cannot judge the author's ideas in terms of modernizing this aircraft (I do not have the relevant qualifications), but I am inclined to agree that in anticipation of upcoming clashes, aircraft should not be thrown away.
          And in the case of conversion into a UAV, the fatigue of the glider will not be so important - even if it crashes, no one will be killed.
      2. 0
        April 2 2026 16: 04
        They were shot down in hothouse conditions when no one expected an attack because they were "with their own people."
        So what? I repeat the question. Are these civilian airliners or combat aircraft?!
        Read carefully, letter by letter!
        the current war with Iran, where the US and Israel have not lost a single one combat aircraft
        A fighter jet is a combat aircraft. In the current war, the US and Israel have lost combat aircraft. The conclusion is that the author is either being disingenuous or has no idea what constitutes a combat aircraft. The conditions under which the aircraft were shot down are irrelevant. Shot down – yes. Combat aircraft – yes. In a region where there is a war – yes.
        It is possible that these are non-combat losses, but the fact that these were combat aircraft lost by the Americans or Israelis in the combat zone can be disputed even by a person who is not an amateur, but who has absolutely no understanding of the terminology.
    2. +1
      April 3 2026 13: 12
      The article is good, but the most important thing is missing: how to steal more money during modernization without getting caught. This is especially true when it comes to money stolen from the army.
  2. + 22
    April 2 2026 05: 02
    Being almost useless in its current form and having unsolvable tasks in the form of close air support with the help of unguided rockets,

    The aircraft was developed in the mid-70s (50 years ago!) and performed brilliantly in Afghanistan. Its serial production ceased 21 years ago. Personally, I would be ashamed to make any criticism of this outstanding aircraft of its time in 2026.
    p.s. You could also write that the Il-2 is a worthless aircraft and is not suitable for the SVO at all.
    1. +8
      April 2 2026 05: 44
      Quote: Amateur
      Being almost useless in its current form and having unsolvable tasks in the form of close air support with the help of unguided rockets,

      The aircraft was developed in the mid-70s (50 years ago!) and performed brilliantly in Afghanistan. Its serial production ceased 21 years ago. Personally, I would be ashamed to make any criticism of this outstanding aircraft of its time in 2026.
      p.s. You could also write that the Il-2 is a worthless aircraft and is not suitable for the SVO at all.

      I completely agree with you! Although until today I thought we were opponents. I'll add: what the author is proposing is no longer an Su-25! It's a two-seater with radar and other equipment. So the question is, how much armament can it carry? And the paradox! At best, four B-8 rocket pods, so why bother making a fuss where it's not needed? And it's too early to bury them! If, as the author says, "tactical nuclear weapons are used!", then the big question is, which aircraft will be "survivable"?
      1. +3
        April 3 2026 11: 58
        Quote: Traveler 63
        It's too early to bury them! If, as the author says, "TNWs are used!" then the big question is: which aircraft will be "survivable"?

        The Su-25 will prove to be the most survivable, as it is armored, can operate from unpaved runways, is easy to maintain, and is highly maneuverable. These aircraft are easy to deploy, allowing them to frequently change airfields and highway sections. They can conduct up to six combat sorties per day (proven over many years of operation), and they have a very reliable and durable engine. These aircraft (the Su-25) have not only remained relevant, but are also in high demand. Russia still periodically receives requests to purchase them, and Lukashenko proposed establishing their production in Belarus... and Putin even promised to facilitate this, but apparently it didn't come to fruition.
        I agree with the author's opinion – the aircraft is in high demand, and we're facing a period of 20-30 years of continuous wars over the division of the world. So I'd like to add to the author's opinion that the entire Su-25 fleet not only needs to be maintained and, if possible, modernized, but it's also highly desirable to resume production of a modernized version. I don't think this will pose any critical challenge, but these aircraft are needed.
        Drones have certainly revolutionized the battlefield and continue to do much of the work of battlefield aviation. But theaters of operations, adversaries, and combat conditions vary, including in post-apocalyptic environments. If Russia had a reasonable, responsible, and supportive military-industrial complex, the entire Su-25 fleet would have undergone a far more comprehensive and robust modernization, and production, albeit limited, would have been preserved or revived in Ulan-Ude, where twin-engine/two-seat Su-25UBs were once produced, and at the ARP facilities in Belarus, as Lukashenko requested. Especially since these aircraft are still in demand, and we are still being asked to supply them to this day.

        Regarding the 152mm nuclear warhead for the "Panderoli" projectile... that's certainly possible, but something heavier would also be possible. A modern 150-kilogram nuclear warhead weighs only about 100 kg, so it can be fitted into the warhead of even missiles like the Kh-31, Kh-35, Kh-58, and Kh-69.
    2. +3
      April 2 2026 06: 39
      Quote: Amateur
      In the same way, one could write that the Il-2 is a worthless aircraft.

      So, it was worthless, if judged from a purely technical standpoint compared to its counterparts. But they could be produced in large quantities and cheaply from available materials on existing equipment, and they were suitable for even novice pilots to master. Most importantly, they were suitable for specific tasks. And they accomplished those tasks. Yes, in some places they made up for it in quantity. But, as Stalin aptly said, "Quantity itself is quality."
      1. +3
        April 3 2026 12: 06
        Quote: Nagan
        So it was worthless, if you evaluate it from a purely technical point of view in comparison with its analogues.

        He knew the family of a veteran who flew 288 combat sorties on the Il-2 and shot down eight enemy aircraft in aerial combat. He was a Hero of the Soviet Union. After the war, he flew the Il-10 (an improved and more aerodynamic version of the same aircraft).
        Quote: Nagan
        As Stalin aptly said, "Quantity itself is quality."

        And this is also true.
    3. +6
      April 2 2026 10: 38
      Quote: Amateur
      The aircraft was developed in the mid-70s (50 years ago!) and performed brilliantly in Afghanistan.

      Against an enemy without air defenses. The Warthog, with its brrrrrrt, performed brilliantly against the same enemy.

      In fact, the first warning bell about the uselessness of the classic attack aircraft rang in Afghanistan. As soon as the Soviets acquired MANPADS in large quantities, the Su-25 became a regular fighter-bomber: approaching the target at high altitude, making one or two passes, and then returning to base. The Su-25 could no longer hover over the heads of infantry and methodically pick off the enemy with MANPADS.
      1. +4
        April 3 2026 12: 27
        Quote: Alexey RA
        As soon as the Soviets acquired MANPADS in commercial quantities, the Su-25 was transformed into a regular fighter-bomber:

        But it also had much better survivability (armor protection, very durable engines), could operate from unpaved airfields, and could carry out up to six combat sorties per day. It was also convenient, simple, and easy to maintain, had a small footprint (easier to camouflage), and had a low cost per flight hour.
        Times are changing, and UAVs and attack drones have taken over the role of hovering over the battlefield, but they carry relatively light munitions. And the enemy doesn't always, everywhere, or by everyone have MANPADS on the battlefield. Even the US has persistently extended the service life of its Warthogs all these years, and has now brought the decommissioned A-10s back into service and is using them in the Gulf. And our Su-25s, despite the lack of guided weapons systems in their hulls, have plenty of work in the Air Defense Forces.
        They have an excellent, robust and armored airframe, high thrust-to-weight ratio, excellent maneuverability (at the level of the MiG-29, if not higher), and competent modernization and the ability to use guided weapons systems will expand the range of their combat applications.
        Moreover, it is highly desirable to resume production of their modernized version. Especially since there is demand for them from abroad.
        And the idea of ​​using the Yak-130M as a "light attack aircraft" doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The plane, while good, lacks armor. It's no wonder Lukashenko asked for assistance in organizing Su-25 production in Belarus.
        1. +1
          April 3 2026 16: 08
          Quote: bayard
          But at the same time, it had much better survivability (armor, very durable engines), could be used from unpaved airstrips and carry out up to 6 combat sorties per day.

          Six combat sorties per day—that's when the enemy is deaf and blind. In the current situation, we'll have to base ourselves 300-500 km from the front line—or risk being hit by ballistic missiles or cruise missiles at any moment.
          Quote: bayard
          They have an excellent, robust, armored airframe and a high thrust-to-weight ratio.

          Well, how can I say... The Su-25T has already used up all its thrust-to-weight ratio reserves.
          However, the designers could not go for an even heavier two-seater version, since the new attack aircraft did not have the thrust-to-weight ratio reserves for this, which, compared to the Su-25, had already decreased from 0,468 to 0,462.

          Quote: bayard
          And the idea of ​​using the Yak-130M as a "light attack aircraft"... doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The plane, while good, lacks armor.

          Why do we need armor if UAVs are engaged in NPP operations over the battlefield?
          The role of manned aircraft when engaging enemy air defenses is to deploy guided bombs and missiles from beyond the forward air defense lines. And the missiles and surface-to-air missiles that reach these drop zones are so powerful that any aircraft armor is useless against their warheads.
          1. +2
            April 3 2026 22: 59
            Our Su-34s are throwing FABs and UMPKs from high altitude, and they're doing a more than adequate job. Especially when covered by the Su-35S. The Su-25 could throw FABs from UMPKs, from a PMV, while pitched up. At a significantly shorter range, but more unexpectedly and from less distant airfields. If they're replaced by the Yak-130M, they'll have to operate at low altitudes and PMVs right at the front lines, so armor to protect the pilot is highly desirable, as the pilot is worth more than the aircraft.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Well, how can I say... The Su-25T has already used up all its thrust-to-weight ratio reserves.

            For a subsonic attack aircraft it is quite sufficient and provides good maneuverability.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The role of manned aircraft when operating against an enemy with air defense is to deploy guided bombs and guided missiles from outside the air defense zone of the front line.

            The Su-34 launches its FABs from a UMPK launcher from an altitude of 14,000 meters and is visible to ground-based radars 400-500 kilometers away. This means that air defenses have time to warn the enemy and set up an ambush (either by a SAM or a fighter at low altitude). If the Su-25 approaches a target during World War I, it is invisible to ground-based radars until it reaches altitude for nose-up, giving it only a few seconds or tens of seconds to react. This is insufficient and increases the surprise factor for forward-line air defenses by two orders of magnitude. If a booster (for example, a TT engine from a NUR missile) is attached to the FABs with a UMPK launcher, the range of such a launch increases, while the chances of intercepting an SAM are completely eliminated. So this opportunity must be exploited. By the way, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are doing exactly this and have modernized the remains of their Su-25s to hurl NATO air defense missiles while pitching up.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            RVV and SAM, that against their warheads any aircraft armor is useless.

            The power of structural protection shouldn't be underestimated. Even if an aircraft is shot down, a pilot in an armored cockpit has a much better chance of surviving and ejecting successfully.
            1. 0
              April 8 2026 07: 07
              The 25th has non-afterburning engines, I suspect they will not provide enough acceleration when pitching up to throw the UMP over any significant distance.
              Only a UMPC with an accelerator will work somehow.
              1. 0
                April 8 2026 10: 52
                Quote from HummerFace
                The 25th has non-afterburning engines, I suspect they will not provide enough acceleration when pitching up to throw the UMP over any significant distance.

                The Su-25's top speed with these engines is around 1000 km/h; you just need to accelerate a little earlier than the climb. And yes, the TT booster is also needed for a reasonable range. The NUR engines are perfectly adequate.
      2. +3
        April 3 2026 22: 49
        Das ist nict richtig. Nachdem es einige Verluste durch Stinger gab wurden einige Verbeaaerungen eingeführt, zB Panzerschott zwischen den Triebwerken, eine erhöhte Anzahl an Flares. Diese Maßnahmen haben sich ausgezeichnet bewährt.
  3. +9
    April 2 2026 05: 14
    Poor Su-25, though it's a machine worthy of making aviation history, having proven itself as a resilient attack aircraft. This is the third or fourth article dedicated to this aircraft in the last three years on the pages of VO alone. In the first article, the plane was declared dead, everyone was invited to a farewell party, and they were already throwing dirt on it. In the second, they really buried it, jumped on it, rolled it in cement, and declared it hopelessly outdated. Now they're offering to dig the poor thing out, dust it off, pat it on the back, promise it a bunch of new weapons, perks, and a few cosmetic surgeries, and then send it back to the stage.
    1. +4
      April 2 2026 05: 26
      Quote from turembo
      Well, it's really a decent car

      Forget about her.
      Quote from turembo
      having proven itself as a survivable attack aircraft

      The most shot down aircraft of the last 50 years.
      Quote from turembo
      concretely dripped, jumped, rolled into cement

      There he and place.
      1. +1
        April 3 2026 12: 32
        Quote: Puncher
        Forget about her.

        Not .
        Quote: Puncher
        The most shot down aircraft of the last 50 years.

        Or the most belligerent?
        Quote: Puncher
        concretely dripped, jumped, rolled into cement
        There he and place.

        You won't wait, he will outlive you.
        Especially if they modernize it intelligently or resume production of a modernized version. I agree with the author's opinion, but not with yours.
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    1. +5
      April 2 2026 07: 12
      The author didn't yet take into account that by the time all these modernizations are completed, under current conditions, there will be no resources left. If it's dead, so be it.
      1. 0
        April 3 2026 13: 05
        Quote: novel xnumx
        The author has not yet taken into account that by the time all these modernizations are completed, under current conditions, there will be no more resources left.

        Lukashenko proposed organizing production of an updated/modernized version of this aircraft in Belarus. Only the laziness and sluggishness of the "effective" grandmaster's vertical has prevented this from being realized to this day. Imitators are pushing the Yak-130M as its replacement. Without armor protection... A two-seater (!!), much more capricious in operation and with a lighter combat load. If these figures had at least bothered to replace the cockpit with a single-seater, freeing up space in the nose for a radar, and at least armored the cockpit... If instead of an attack aircraft they are proposing... But despite Lukashenko's requests to resume Su-25 production in Belarus and requests from several foreign customers for supplies of such attack aircraft... the vertical has made a firm decision not to make them. And they intend to stand by this decision to the death.
        By the way, all foreign agents, enemies and ill-wishers ardently support her in this intention.
        1. 0
          April 3 2026 13: 14
          You can't make an airplane like your dad. You need a manufacturing school. Our factories have been idle and can't do anything anymore. They're barely recovering. And starting from scratch is out of the question. And an airplane isn't exactly simple.
          1. +1
            April 3 2026 14: 26
            Quote: MCmaximus
            Dad won't be able to make an airplane.

            He has an aircraft repair plant that he intended to expand and, naturally, requested support and cooperation from the Russian Federation. They were lazy. They considered it a hassle and started pushing a replacement for the Yak-130M, which is much weaker in this role, worse, and has no armor at all. It's suitable for the air forces of poor countries in Asia, Africa, and the Air Force, but not as a Frontline Aviation aircraft for the Russian Federation.
            Quote: MCmaximus
            Yes, and the plane is not simple.

            All aircraft are complex, even if they are made to replace the An-2.
            1. 0
              April 3 2026 15: 19
              Repairing an existing aircraft and building it from scratch are two different things. Even here, in the remnants of a once-great aviation industry, we simply lack qualified personnel. All but two of our factories are struggling with specialists. Production in Irkutsk and Komsomolsk has remained virtually uninterrupted, and everything is more or less normal there. The Ulan-Ude plant has been working on helicopters for a long time. There are a couple of Su-25s lying around in the backyard. But the plant is now under the control of a different corporation.
              It's unclear where the father will be and who he'll take on from scratch. There are many subtleties in aircraft construction.
              1. +1
                April 3 2026 15: 33
                No one is saying it's easy, but Lukashenko asked for support and cooperation; he has aircraft repair specialists, and they know the Su-25 and support it. But I agree that restarting production from scratch will require a huge amount of work. First, we need a design for a modernized version, the development of all technical documentation, the establishment of cooperation chains, the resumption of engine production (it's supposedly a MiG-21 engine without an afterburner), the preparation of assembly shops, and a full cycle of testing and refinement... If this is deemed too time-consuming and expensive (although if we collect applications from everyone in advance, it could prove quite commercially attractive), then only the Yak-130M remains, which is inferior and weaker in every respect. But if we do with it roughly what the Americans did with the T-38 long ago, producing a pretty good "poor man's fighter" F-5E Tiger, converting the two-seat cockpit into a single-seat one and shoving four 30mm cannons (in our case, radar) up its nose... and armoring the cockpit, it might do some good. The aircraft operates in the frontline zone at low altitudes and during WWI, so the pilot needs to be protected. Our (yes, all!) pilots are worth more than their aircraft.
                1. 0
                  April 3 2026 15: 54
                  The Yak-130 is no picnic in production either. It's a complex aircraft. Small, complex, and cramped. Its production volumes are small. So, the economics are irrelevant. I don't think Belarus is rich enough to pay much more for this aircraft than they buy it from us. Even if they buy it with their own money. Which, personally, I'm not so sure about.
                  1. +2
                    April 3 2026 16: 10
                    That's what I'm saying: the Su-25, as a light armored attack aircraft, is currently the only viable option, and many countries still want it. So there's still time to think about it. And decommissioning is definitely out of the question. Supporting the entire fleet and feasible modernization are the only viable options. And if we collect applications for resuming production and they prove economically feasible, then we can resume production.
                    1. VlK
                      +1
                      April 3 2026 16: 21
                      Why write it off? Why not, after some minor modifications, send it to naval aviation to intercept unmanned aircraft carriers, for example? It would practically be work in its specialty?
                      1. +1
                        April 3 2026 23: 10
                        It's definitely not worth writing off, and it's definitely not suitable for naval aviation – its combat radius is short, and its loitering time is short. The Yak-130M could handle this type of mission perfectly well.
                        In principle, I've already written many times that the optimal way to combat BEK is with loitering UAVs equipped with relay equipment and FPV gimbals. They can hover over an area for a long time, and when they detect the BEK, they launch drones, which are guaranteed to destroy it.
                      2. VlK
                        0
                        April 6 2026 11: 04
                        It's not that small, especially with drop tanks, it's larger than the helicopters used to destroy unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in the Black Sea. Why would it need to patrol, exposing itself to potential attack? Drones should be monitoring the waters and detecting targets, while fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters should intercept detected targets, preferably not at the entrance to their home port. And then there's the hypothetical Ukrainian naval landing in Crimea, which hasn't been completely eliminated from the agenda, as far as I understand—so the attack aircraft will have to do what they were designed to do: sink floating craft at sea and as they approach the landing site.
                      3. 0
                        April 6 2026 12: 26
                        Well, countering landings, including naval ones, is his (the attack aircraft's) direct responsibility. But patrolling waters in search of enemy air defense systems is a job for UAVs with high-quality OLS and FPV gimbals. This will be much more effective, cheaper, with fewer risks, available resources, and a much longer patrol time.
                        Orions and even Forposts could serve as such UAVs. If larger and more sophisticated UAVs emerge, that will only be a plus.
        2. 0
          April 3 2026 13: 47
          The question is, really, whether it's needed anymore. The attack aircraft, as a combat aircraft type, has already outlived its usefulness. Its MANPADS have already been abolished. We're not at war with the Papuans.
          1. +2
            April 3 2026 14: 22
            Quote: novel xnumx
            The attack aircraft, as a combat aircraft type, has already outlived its usefulness. Its MANPADS have already been cancelled.

            Well, it can't just fire NK missiles; there are now precision-guided munitions that can close the distance from MANPADS. But a highly protected, lightweight, and easy-to-deploy and maintain aircraft for close infantry support (on-call support from frontline airfields) is needed.
            The Su-34 is good in every way, but it's a frontline bomber, a heavy aircraft that requires a proper airfield network. The Su-25 can operate from unpaved airfields and road sections, and has a very high combat performance (up to six sorties per day... which, by the way, the Su-34 can do too, and this was a pleasant surprise for me in this SVO).
            Simply retrofitting it with a proper radar (possibly in a pod), a high-quality optical sight, and a laser sight, along with a combination of laser-guided munitions from a UAV for target illumination, would be sufficient. In this case, the Su-25 would act as a highly mobile launch platform, capable of being deployed from airfields near the front to call in infantry and interact with reconnaissance UAVs (with a laser designator). Because not all aircraft will have a Krasnopol cannon or multiple launch rocket systems with precision-guided munitions. In other words, the nature of combat use changes. If the airframe's service life allows (and it does), then the engines can be replaced and a modernization upgrade can be performed.
            Regarding the onboard power supply... Actually, the "Spear" in the suspended container was perfectly capable of being powered by the onboard electrical system, so we need to strive to stay within the limits of the existing onboard power supply or upgrade it if it doesn't require major redesigns. The upgrade must be reasonable in both cost and timeframe, but such an aircraft is needed, it's in demand, and it's better than the paleo-inspired version currently on offer in the form of the Yak-130M.
            1. VlK
              0
              April 3 2026 14: 41
              But a highly protected, light, easy-to-base and easy-to-maintain aircraft for close infantry support (on-call support from front-line airfields) is needed.

              Simply retrofitting a proper radar (possibly in a pod), a high-quality OLS, and a laser sight, along with a combination of laser-guided munitions from a UAV for target illumination, would be sufficient. In this case, the Su-25 would act as a highly mobile launch platform capable of being deployed from airfields near the front to call in infantry and interact with reconnaissance UAVs (with a laser designator). Because not all units would have a Krasnopol cannon or multiple launch rocket systems with precision-guided munitions. This means the nature of combat use is changing.

              What targets do you think it should be able to hit at the request of the infantry?
              1. +1
                April 3 2026 15: 20
                Quote: VlK
                What targets do you think it should be able to hit at the request of the infantry?

                Currently, battalion commanders are well aware of the ground situation, but they don't always have the necessary weapons at a given moment. Targets for such aircraft can and should be:
                - enemy armored vehicles, including those in their immediate rear, according to data from a loitering UAV with a laser target designator (Frpost, Orlan-30 and similar ones),
                - permanent fortifications and/or permanent buildings in which the enemy has taken cover, bridges in the near rear to isolate the combat area, compromised command posts, enemy and vehicle concentrations, especially during rotation. FPV capabilities aren't always sufficient, especially when compared to the power and penetration capabilities of permanent structures. For these purposes, it's advisable to use a KAB or FAB with an UMPK (unmanned multipurpose rocket launcher) with a pitched approach—approaching at the first landing, dropping on a hill, turning away, and laser illumination provided by the UAV. The capabilities of the FAB-250 and even the FAB-100 with an UMPK will be quite sufficient. It's possible to equip such FABs not only with an UMPK, but also with a TT booster from a NURS engine.
                That is, this is no longer primarily a case of unguided rockets fired at a pitched angle to disrupt enemy infantry attacks or to catch a group of infantry on rotation, but rather a systematic approach in the frontline zone at low and extremely low altitudes with precision-guided munitions. Or from medium altitudes, if the situation allows and the aircraft has its own synthetic aperture radar... like the Ka-52M, for example.
                But it's preferable to use the Su-25 as a highly mobile air platform/launcher in conjunction with a reconnaissance UAV from frontline airfields. The reaction time from such airfields is much higher than that of the Su-34 from more remote airfields. It's by no means an alternative to the Su-34, but rather a lightweight and more flexible tool for synergy and a greater choice of tools for solving various combat missions. If the FAB with the UMPK, when launched from a nose-up position, can fly even 15-20 km, that's already good. Moreover, the Su-34 launches its FAB with the UMPK at an altitude of 14,000 m and at a speed of approximately 1900 km/h, i.e., it is visible to ground-based radars at a range of 400-500 km. Therefore, ambushes using SAMs or fighters at low altitude are possible (and they often happen). The Su-25, approaching its target during WWI, is invisible to ground radars and can only be detected for a few seconds during the climb before dropping from a nose-up position. Thus, despite its shorter range, greater stealth and surprise are achieved. For operations from a nose-up position, the Su-25 is arguably the best candidate; only the MiG-27 could once compete with it. Therefore, by using this aircraft correctly, using KAB and FAB bombing with UMPK, we will diversify tactical approaches, reduce the time it takes to fulfill infantry requests, make the bombing run itself more stealthy and safer, and increase the density of fire in support of the infantry.
                Essentially, it won't be a true attack aircraft, but a light frontline bomber for Frontline Aviation. The Americans have long since equipped their A-10 with guided missiles, and they performed very well with them even during Desert Storm.
                1. VlK
                  0
                  April 3 2026 15: 48
                  What level of interaction should there be between the infantry and the Aerospace Forces? If it's Army Aviation, then isn't that Army Headquarters level? And, accordingly, what's the response time to a request?
                  1. +1
                    April 3 2026 16: 05
                    Army Aviation includes helicopters and attack aircraft, so the level of interaction can be at the division or even brigade level, depending on the situation. In any case, response time should be reduced, as should the time it takes to process a support request.
                    1. VlK
                      0
                      April 3 2026 16: 18
                      Then another question: which of the above targets cannot be partially hit by loitering munitions of various calibers, and partially by an unarmored Yak-130, since we are talking about dropping gliding FABs at LBS from a long distance, outside the enemy air defense zone?
                      1. +1
                        April 3 2026 23: 06
                        You misunderstood - the use of FABs with UMPKs from a nose-up position will have to be done near the forward edge, because in WWI, such FABs won't fly nearly as far as from an altitude of 14 km at a drop speed of 1900 km/h. So, even with a TT booster, such FABs will fly 15-20 km maximum. This is still quite a distance, but it poses serious risks for the carrier aircraft. Therefore, armoring is highly desirable. Cases and needs in the war are very varied, so neglecting the capabilities of this type of bombing is not worth it. But risking a light, unarmored combat aircraft in a conflict of such intensity and nature as the current SVO... is hardly worth it. And the Su-25 will cope quite well.
                        Try rereading what I wrote above and in general in the comments to this article and everything will become clear to you.
    2. +4
      April 2 2026 10: 56
      Quote: Puncher
      The Su-25 is a useless attack aircraft, foisted on the Air Force by the Sukhoi Design Bureau thanks to its connections. It was hopeless back in the 80s, and today it's even more destined for the scrap heap.

      An aircraft for low-intensity conflicts, in which it's effective only until proxies on the other side acquire MANPADS.
      The uselessness of the Su-25 in the air defense system in the USSR was already known in the early 80s - when simulating a combat attack on a column covered by air defense forces, it turned out that the attack aircraft with cast iron either would not exit the attack or would not even reach the drop point.
      1. +2
        April 2 2026 14: 57
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Low-intensity conflict aircraft. In which it is effective

        And even that's relative compared to the Super Tucano. In low-intensity conflicts, the "cost-effectiveness" of weapons comes first. It's not like "Arise, great country!" or "We'll spare no expense."
        1. +2
          April 2 2026 16: 52
          Quote: Adrey
          And even that's relative compared to the Super Tucano. In low-intensity conflicts, the weapon's efficiency comes first.

          Compared to the Super Tucano, the Su-25, like the Warthog, has two main economic advantages:
          1. They already exist. There's no need to purchase them, train crews and technicians, or buy spare parts.
          2. Their durability and protection are sufficient to work with cheap cast iron against wild zoosul without MANPADS, but with large-caliber machine guns and 20-23 mm small-caliber anti-aircraft guns.
          1. VlK
            +2
            April 2 2026 18: 38
            It seems that until about 22 years ago, the world as a whole observed an agreement on the non-proliferation of MANPADS products by countries producing them among all sorts of irregular "partisans and rebels" in order to reduce the terrorist threat from the use of such systems against aircraft in other regions of the world?
            1. +1
              April 3 2026 10: 18
              Quote: VlK
              It seems that until about 22 years ago, the world as a whole observed an agreement on the non-proliferation of MANPADS products by countries producing them among all sorts of irregular "partisans and rebels" in order to reduce the terrorist threat from the use of such systems against aircraft in other regions of the world?

              But regular Partisans and rebels received them in the hundreds. smile
              Plus, over the last 15 years, so many army warehouses have been looted by all sorts of rebels - in Syria, Iraq, Libya, etc., that non-proliferation of MANPADS became just a piece of paper.
          2. 0
            April 2 2026 19: 14
            [quote=Alexey RA]1. They already exist.[/quote]
            How many will be "already there"?
            [quote=Alexey RA]against the wild Zusuls without MANPADS[/ Quote]
            There are almost none like that anymore. request
          3. 0
            April 3 2026 13: 56
            The toucano has one advantage that outweighs everything else in today's conditions: its low stall speed. This is crucial for drone hunting.
    3. +2
      April 3 2026 12: 53
      Quote: Puncher
      The Su-25 is a useless attack aircraft, foisted on the Air Force by the Sukhoi Design Bureau thanks to its connections. It was hopeless back in the 80s, and today it's even more destined for the scrap heap.

      Where does so much hatred and contempt come from, my dear?
      The Su-25 arrived just in time for the start of the war in Afghanistan and became a lifesaver in many ways. As in many other conflicts, it was a popular purchase among foreign customers, and even now, requests for the aircraft are periodically received, asking for it "from stock."
      Quote: Puncher
      It's clearly visible that the Rooks have four S-8 NURS units and two drop tanks! And this is while operating on the front lines!

      PTB because they fly from afar after frontline airfields began to be hit.
      Moreover, in the Central Military District, we faced an enemy oversaturated with MANPADS, and this has altered the methods of their combat employment. Almost all of NATO's MANPADS stockpiles have been pilfered, so even in the event of a war with NATO itself, there will be far fewer MANPADS. This is a very specific conflict from which we must draw conclusions, but it is precisely this kind of conflict that is unlikely to recur in the future. Its beginning was too... peculiar, and its course too peculiar.
      Quote: Puncher
      And the author wants it to have a radar, an armed forces system, and electronic warfare systems with a new air defense system...

      All of this can be achieved through modernization, if engine production is resumed and the airframe's service life allows (which should allow it to fly for another 10, maybe even 15, years). However, the best solution would be to restart production of a modernized version of this aircraft from scratch, rather than trying to push the Yak-130M—which lacks armor, has a lighter combat load, and is more demanding to operate—in its place. Lukashenko's request for assistance in organizing production of a modernized version of the Su-25 in Belarus was not without reason, as there is demand for this aircraft on the international market, and there is no worthy equivalent replacement.
      Quote: Puncher
      He was hopeless back in the 80s.

      All the operators of this plane laugh in chorus.
      1. 0
        April 3 2026 13: 16
        For the current use, the Su-25 Yak-130M is more than sufficient. It also has a radar.
        1. +2
          April 3 2026 14: 36
          Quote: MCmaximus
          There's also a radar.

          It doesn't have a radar; only the Yak-130M is planned to have one, and even then, it's in a pod. As a frontline attack/strike aircraft for Frontline Aviation, it's significantly inferior to the Su-25.
          So, the entire Su-25 fleet must be maintained and, if possible, modernized. Engine production must be resumed, and, if possible, production of a modernized version must be resumed. If this is not possible, then serious work must be done on the Yak-130M airframe, specifically:
          - the cabin should become single-seater and, if possible, receive armor protection,
          - using the freed up space in the nose, place a radar with a synthetic aperture there for working on the ground with high-precision munitions, as well as for the ability to conduct combat at short/medium distances,
          - ensure the possibility of basing on unpaved runways and ensure a high combat stress coefficient (number of combat sorties per day).
          By completing these missions, we can truly obtain a worthy replacement for the Su-25 in the Frontline Aviation.
          1. 0
            April 3 2026 15: 28
            The Yak-130M has a radar. It looks like it's going to replace the Yak-130 in production. Its advantages are too obvious. What makes you think the radar is outboard? Outboards are a unique feature. The hardpoints haven't changed. The cannon is mounted on the fuselage. It's outboard.
            It's completely unclear why it needs armor protection. Armored cockpits are the last thing that will save an aircraft caught in an air defense attack.
            Where was the last time combat aircraft flew from unpaved runways?
            The Su-25 is intended to replace normal fighter-bombers or multirole fighters.
            1. +1
              April 3 2026 16: 00
              Quote: MCmaximus
              The Yak-130M has a radar.

              There's been all sorts of talk about it, and they've tried to convince me with photos from the latest exhibition that the radar is in a container. A proper radar could be installed by making the cockpit single-seat (leaving only the rear seat), then a full-fledged radar would fit, the cockpit itself would become more compact, and even a cannon could be installed as standard.
              Quote: MCmaximus
              It's completely unclear why it needs armor protection. Armored cockpits are the last thing that will save an aircraft caught in an air defense attack.

              If it replaces the Su-25, it will operate in the frontline zone, typically at low altitudes. It won't be able to hit just anything. The Su-25 was designed for these missions, with a robust airframe and system survivability and redundancy built in. The Yak-130M didn't have any of that. And if they were to develop a combat aircraft based on the Yak-130M, they'd have to ditch the front seat and add redundancy and at least armor to the cockpit (the Su-25 and Su-34 have armor not only in the cockpit, but also in the most critical parts of the fuselage). A pilot is worth far more than an aircraft, and they need to be protected. If he ejects, there's a chance he'll return to service, but to eject, you have to survive in the cockpit if the aircraft is hit.
              Quote: MCmaximus
              Where was the last time combat aircraft flew from unpaved runways?

              Not long ago, during exercises. You won't believe it, but even heavy Il-76MD-90A aircraft were practicing takeoffs and landings on unpaved runways there. Unpaved runways aren't just leveled and compacted fields; the runways are also reinforced with special perforated steel slabs. These field airfields are set up fairly quickly, and they're also dismantled fairly quickly.
              Quote: MCmaximus
              The Su-25 is intended to replace normal fighter-bombers.

              Su-34 ??
              In the late USSR, such thoughts were present, which is why both the cockpit and fuselage were so thoroughly armored. But even in the USSR, they realized that this was... too much. The USSR also had a supersonic attack aircraft, the MiG-27, which was the main strike fighter for air defense penetration during WWI. But the Su-25 was the workhorse of the war, designed for routine, yet highly important and intense combat missions.
              Quote: MCmaximus
              or multirole fighters.

              Hmm... I wonder which ones?
              The Aerospace Forces aren't buying the MiG-35S, leaving only the heavy Su-30SM2, Su-35S, and Su-57. So which of these are they planning to replace the attack aircraft with? For routine missions? Or will they wait for the Su-75? stop I do not advise .
              Even a light aircraft, such as an MFI, is very expensive, valuable and complex to risk.
              But the Yak-130M is not up to such tasks.
              1. -1
                April 3 2026 17: 17
                The stormtrooper is not needed at all. At all. And all this assault is unnecessary.
                1. VlK
                  +1
                  April 3 2026 17: 27
                  Loitering munitions and attack drones should fill this gap completely, and apparently in the near future. Losses of aircraft and pilots over LBS are becoming (have already become?) unacceptable for anyone—even isolated losses are too painful for global hegemons and banana republics alike. Therefore, we need to invest in the development of the future, not the past.
                  1. +1
                    April 3 2026 23: 20
                    Quote: VlK
                    Loitering munitions and attack drones should fill this gap completely, and apparently in the near future.

                    Even the heavy Baba Yaga drones with their pods will never compare in destructive power to the FAB-250 and FAB-500 with their UMPK and laser-guided missiles. Don't be like Khrushchev, who believed that with the advent of missiles, cannon artillery and aviation were no longer necessary.
                    1. VlK
                      0
                      April 6 2026 11: 11
                      Well, an agricultural drone for dusting fields with a payload of up to 20 kg and a speed of up to 80 km/h, which drops when carrying half the load, isn't the pinnacle of military thought. We just need to think ahead about creating relatively inexpensive unmanned battlefield strike systems to replace attack aircraft and attack helicopters. Some of them will certainly eventually be capable of carrying the FAB-250, while FAB-500s are already being dropped by bombers from afar. And unmanned transport helicopters are already appearing.
                      1. 0
                        April 6 2026 12: 37
                        Quote: VlK
                        surely over time it will be able to carry the FAB-250, and the 500-ki

                        Can you even imagine the size of such a UAV? Its vulnerability to air defense systems and fighter UAVs? Its speed, type, and configuration? An attack aircraft during World War I, even at speeds of 800-900 km/h+, is a much more difficult target, especially since it's armored (from small arms fire and the submunitions of remotely detonated SAMs and missiles). Over time, unmanned fighters and attack aircraft will likely be developed for such purposes. One of the modifications of the promising Su-75 is being designed for such a purpose. Perhaps an even lighter, non-stealth, but armored unmanned attack aircraft will also appear. For now, the Su-25 is the only alternative.
                        But!! It should not launch NURs from a nose-up position, but rather FABs with UMPKs and boosters from these very NURs - for an acceptable range with this type of bombing.
                      2. VlK
                        0
                        April 6 2026 12: 59
                        The Geranium rocket, they say, carries up to 90 kg of payload with a range of 1000 km, and its speed allows it to evade modern UAV fighters, making it a challenging target for small-arms anti-aircraft missiles. Why not, for example, increase its performance at the expense of range, making it "semi-reusable," adding a re-entry capability, and at a still-affordable price (given the high probability of its loss over the battlefield)? Currently, aircraft generally don't unleash their full payload, but rather precisely strike a designated target and depart. It seems to me that future attack aircraft will need to evolve precisely this way—from simple, inexpensive drones toward greater sophistication, and not the other way around—not by partially simplifying expensive and complex-to-produce manned aircraft. In any case, under modern conditions, this equipment will remain, one way or another, a consumable item on the battlefield (just like motor vehicles, by the way, and armored vehicles), and the economic component must be taken into account without fail - a wunderwaffe cannot win a serious, protracted conflict, we are seeing this right before our eyes.
                      3. 0
                        April 6 2026 13: 36
                        Quote: VlK
                        Why not, for example, increase its characteristics at the expense of range, and make it “semi-reusable”, adding the possibility of return

                        Then she will have to attach a chassis, and the accuracy of the strikes will decrease (it is one thing to throw a bomb from a certain height, another to hit the target with an accuracy of up to a meter.
                        Improving performance means a more powerful and durable engine, landing gear and software for landing, lower strike accuracy, larger aircraft size, a much higher price, and all this while maintaining a very high chance of being shot down. For now, such fantasies don't fit with military economics. Attack UAVs like the Geranium are a cheap cruise missile replacement. The key word is cheap. And that means mass production is possible. As the design becomes more complex, the cost and complexity of production will no longer be able to support mass production.
                        But a battlefield UAV in the form of a multicopter with airdrops is proving itself quite promising. It could also be used for supplying the front lines and even (testing of such a copter was conducted from late 2023 until 2024) for evacuating the wounded, as the payload could range from 150 to 300 kg.
                        A completely new type of war is being born right now. Soon, soldiers may no longer be needed on the front lines – robots will do the fighting. This is already happening. Combat android robots are already being developed (in China and the US), not to mention the already-tested combat robotic dogs. And then there are the drone-copter swarms controlled by the intelligence community. The grim future of American action films is becoming a frightening reality. Especially against the backdrop of the widespread fascination with AI, which has already proven itself hostile to humanity.
                      4. 0
                        April 6 2026 12: 42
                        Quote: VlK
                        Well, an agricultural drone for pollinating fields with a payload of up to 20 kg and a speed of up to 80 km/h, which drops when carrying half the load, is not the pinnacle of creation.

                        It's not the pinnacle of combat capability, but it's quite capable as a carrier of relatively heavy battlefield munitions. Have you seen the Ukrainians dropping anti-tank mines from them? Seriously effective. And the losses are considerable. They can destroy buildings and blow off roofs... And an agricultural drone can carry four, five, or six of these mines. In one sortie, after which it returns for more. We really need that. A carrot from an RPG isn't always enough.
                      5. VlK
                        0
                        April 6 2026 13: 23
                        We seem to have something similar already. But in my opinion, this is a completely intermediate stage in the development of local conflict technology based on what's at hand—a huge, relatively slow-moving contraption, shot down by rifle fire, which must hover over the target for release. When, having specialized, it adopts the tactics of attack helicopters with guided missiles, but still at the price of an agricultural drone+—that's when everyone will shudder.
                      6. 0
                        April 6 2026 13: 44
                        At the price of an agricultural drone, this wouldn't be possible, and neither would the weapons. Even using NURs and grenade launchers instead of airdrops would increase the cost and complexity of implementation by more than an order of magnitude. I know they were working on such drones in Belarus. I think they did something in Russia too... but in Russia, it's kids and managers with sharpened saws. For them, war is their "mother" and a means of enrichment.
                        Unfortunately, the Russian Federation's incompetent management has surpassed the defunct Russian Empire by more than an order of magnitude. So... it's sad. The current turret crews and vertical personnel will ultimately bring the country down... For history repeats itself the first time as tragedy, but the second time as farce. Which is precisely what we are witnessing today.
                      7. VlK
                        0
                        April 6 2026 13: 57
                        At the price of an agricultural drone, this wouldn't be possible, nor would it be possible to implement it using the same weapons. Even using NURs and a grenade launcher instead of airdrops would increase the cost and complexity of implementation by more than an order of magnitude.

                        but still incomparable in price and labor costs with a modern attack helicopter?
                      8. 0
                        April 6 2026 14: 39
                        Helicopters operate differently now—using guided weapons in areas of breakthroughs or potential breakthroughs during an enemy attack using large numbers of armored vehicles. They now also combat attack UAVs.
                2. +2
                  April 3 2026 23: 16
                  Quote: MCmaximus
                  The stormtrooper is not needed at all.

                  Needed.
                  Quote: MCmaximus
                  Totally.

                  This is a profound misconception. Never say never.
                  Quote: MCmaximus
                  And all this storming is not necessary.

                  The role of the Army Aviation's strike aircraft is changing and transforming, but it's not being eliminated. A drone armed with an RPG will never match the capabilities of a FAB-250 or FAB-500 with a UMPK, a KAB, or one armed with laser-guided missiles. I've already written everything on this topic in this thread to make the issue clear and obvious. "Don't go to extremes, lest extremes go to you."
  5. +1
    April 2 2026 05: 24
    The Su-25 is a system error. There was an Il-102, which, with a gunner, could have handled tasks with guided weapons and drones, even if they were bad. I don't understand why everyone rushed to these drones. Compact missiles could be made using these FPV technologies. am
    1. +1
      April 2 2026 06: 13
      A glide rocket with a booster. Something like that. Find a target, unhook the wings for gliding flight, and go for it. Life has proven that low speed is often an advantage.
    2. +5
      April 2 2026 06: 57
      Quote: air wolf
      I don't understand why everyone rushed at these drones.
      Because the Su-25, like the American A-10, can only be used in extremely favorable conditions, which are nonexistent in today's wars. The very concept of a close air support aircraft is currently highly questionable, as the development and proliferation of MANPADS makes low-flying attack aircraft increasingly vulnerable and risky for pilots. The role of attack aircraft is gradually being supplanted by attack drones and long-range precision-guided munitions.
    3. +5
      April 2 2026 07: 15
      Quote: air wolf
      There was an Il-102 which, with a gunner operator, could solve problems with guided weapons and drones.

      The Il-102 could lift over 7 tons and had internal wing bomb bays (for the FPV?). There was plenty of room for upgrades and the things the author listed.
  6. + 10
    April 2 2026 05: 58
    Two questions:

    1. Who will do this?
    2. And who needs this?
    1. + 10
      April 2 2026 07: 02
      Nobody and to no one. And there is no money, but you hold on!!!
      1. +2
        April 2 2026 14: 18
        There is money, but who needs money, not for these planes of yours?
  7. +7
    April 2 2026 06: 12
    It's easier to build more Su-30s than to modernize them. The Su-25 would be a good aircraft in today's conditions if it didn't have armor. And now it's eating up all modernization efforts. Those who have nothing else are modernizing this aircraft.
    Most likely, unfortunately, after their service life is exhausted, they will be written off and that’s it.
    1. +7
      April 2 2026 07: 01
      Quote: air wolf
      Su-25 is a system error,

      It wasn't a mistake; it's an airplane of its time, and it outlived it. It needs to be slightly adapted to modern conditions, but only at a reasonable price.
      1. +2
        April 2 2026 07: 18
        Quote: wlkw
        This is an airplane of its time.

        No, it was an airplane from the 60s and 70s.
        1. -2
          April 2 2026 13: 09
          There was a specific specification from the USSR Ministry of Defense. Ilyushin ignored the first specification for a theater-propelled aircraft, but Sukhoi responded more quickly to the second.
          The A10+ and - were developed in the same years with an even more crooked concept - an anti-tank weapon - a 30mm cannon.
          MANPADS appeared as a countermeasure. 23mm guns were no match for the Su-25 and A10.
          1. +3
            April 2 2026 16: 58
            Quote: Zaurbek
            The A10+ and - were developed in the same years with an even more crooked concept - an anti-tank weapon - a 30mm cannon.

            The Yankees took precautions on the Warthog and included the ability to use guided missiles - 6 Mavericks.
            Quote: Zaurbek
            MANPADS appeared as a countermeasure. 23mm guns were no match for the Su-25 and A10.

            MANPADS appeared about 15 years before the Su-25. And, if I remember correctly, the USSR already had experience using them in combat in Vietnam.
            1. -1
              April 2 2026 19: 31
              They weren't that perfect yet.
            2. -1
              April 2 2026 19: 32
              And the USSR protected itself with a large number of Nurs and laser-guided missiles
              1. 0
                April 3 2026 13: 17
                In this case, the Mavericks are clearly better.
          2. +1
            April 3 2026 03: 46
            Quote: Zaurbek
            There were specific technical requirements from the USSR Ministry of Defense.

            The Su-25 didn't live up to the promise, and the Su-25 was declared unnecessary. But they pushed the aircraft on us with the promise that they'd do what was needed, and for now, just make use of it. The Su-25T is the same promise that also didn't satisfy the military, despite its extensive PR.
            Quote: Zaurbek
            The A10+ and - were developed in the same years with an even more crooked concept - an anti-tank weapon - a 30mm cannon.

            Yes, a ground attack aircraft with a cannon is a real bummer. But the A-10's large payload allowed for a lot more than just a cannon.
            1. -2
              April 3 2026 07: 39
              Su25 is what there was and there was no other...and as close as possible.
              Sukhoi was focusing on American concerts. The concept is more or less similar. Air defense systems were saturated with 12,7-14,5-20-23-25mm autocannons, and the Su-25 and A10 were a reaction to this. The second generation of MANPADS and the transition to 30mm autocannons in anti-aircraft guns were a reaction.
              And their targets were tank hordes...not counter-insurgency flights.
              1. +1
                April 3 2026 10: 36
                Quote: Zaurbek
                The second generation of MANPADS and the transition to 30mm autocannons in the ZU were already a reaction.

                A reaction to what? wink
                The Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard, the basis of the air defense system aggressive German militarism: first prototype - 1969, in series production since 1973.

                At this time, the Su-25 existed in the form of a single flying prototype, the T8-1, under construction.
                1. 0
                  April 4 2026 07: 39
                  And in the USSR they had the 23mm Shilka in large quantities, and in the USA the 20mm Vulcan... the Gapard probably formed the basis of NATO air defense?
                  1. 0
                    April 6 2026 10: 22
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    And in the USSR they had the 23mm Shilka in large quantities, and in the USA the 20mm Vulcan... the Gapard probably formed the basis of NATO air defense?

                    The Gepard formed the backbone of the enemy's air defense forces in the direction of the main attack. For we couldn't get past the Bundeswehr in Europe.
                    The US has long since given up on air defense; their condition for conducting any ground operation is gaining air superiority.
      2. +2
        April 2 2026 08: 58
        Even the wealthy US abandoned specialized aircraft. And long ago. Yes, and all current wars confirm this. An aircraft is a fast platform for weapons and an air defense system. In the first place, it's a matter of landing quickly, unloading, and getting out. Since you need to get going quickly, the weapons must be precise or highly accurate.
        1. 0
          April 2 2026 13: 00
          Well, they think the same way about the A10.
  8. +6
    April 2 2026 06: 45
    back then it was a training Su-25UB, but that's hardly of fundamental importance now
    It's crucial and important. The Su-25 pilot is already incredibly busy. And the radar needs work. The Su-25UB is a two-seater, so there was plenty of room for the radar and guided weapons operator.
    Is it possible to convert a standard Su-25 into a two-seater, and is it worth the effort? That's a question for the experts.
    1. +2
      April 2 2026 07: 17
      Quote: Nagan
      Is it possible to convert a regular SU-25 into a two-seater, and is it worth the effort?

      There's no need to remodel it because the two-seater has been there for a long time. It's just that there's no room to squeeze anything in there anymore.
      1. +2
        April 2 2026 10: 43
        Quote: Puncher
        There's no need to remodel it because the two-seater has been there for a long time. It's just that there's no room to squeeze anything in there anymore.

        If I remember correctly, the Su-25T was developed specifically as a dual-purpose trainer/combat aircraft. However, once all the necessary avionics were crammed into the aircraft, there was no more room or weight for the operator's station. And to make a two-seater close air support aircraft, the airframe had to be completely redesigned, which immediately necessitated the loss of engines, fuel capacity, and so on.
        1. 0
          April 2 2026 14: 03
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But to make a two-seat close air support aircraft, the airframe had to be completely redesigned, which immediately entailed the loss of engines, fuel supply, etc.
          The Su-25 was manufactured in Tbilisi, and its two-seat version, the Su-25UB, was produced at the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant. The Su-25UB is a more promising aircraft for modernization, as it has a larger fuselage (for additional electronics, fuel tanks, etc., at the expense of the unused co-pilot seat). For example, the single-seat Su-39 (Su-25TM) was based on the Su-25UB.
          Su-39 (Su-25TM)
          1. +2
            April 2 2026 16: 59
            Quote: Bad_gr
            The Su-25UB is a more promising aircraft for modernization, as it has a larger fuselage (for additional electronics, fuel tanks, etc., at the expense of the unused co-pilot seat). For example, the single-seat Su-39 (Su-25TM) was developed on the Su-25UB platform.

            This is what I wrote about: when the Su-25UB was equipped with everything necessary for the use of guided missiles (making it the Su-25TM), there was no longer any space or volume for a second crew member.
            1. +2
              April 2 2026 17: 31
              Quote: Alexey RA
              there was no space or volume for the second crew member.
              The Su-25TM was originally conceived as a single-seat fighter and was to be built at the Su-25 base in Tbilisi. However, since that plant remained abroad after the collapse of the USSR, it was based on an aircraft produced in Russia (the Su-25UB). The equipment planned for installation in the Su-25TM would have fit into the standard Su-25.
              1. +1
                April 3 2026 10: 59
                Quote: Bad_gr
                The Su-25TM was originally intended to be a single-seat aircraft and was to be produced at the Su-25 base in Tbilisi, but since this plant remained abroad after the collapse of the USSR, it was based on an aircraft that was produced in Russia (the Su-25UB).

                The USSR never collapsed during the development of the Su-25T. Tbilisi was supposed to produce a single-seat attack aircraft based on the two-seat UB model.
                In 1983, work on the two-seat T-8UB combat trainer at the Ulan-Ude Aircraft Production Association was suspended, as the construction and testing of the T-8M attack aircraft was prioritized. The airframe of the unfinished "twin" was used to create the first flying prototype, the T-8M-1, whose assembly was completed in June 1984 at the Tbilisi aircraft factory.

                The first three serially assembled Su-25UB airframes were also sent to the Tbilisi plant in 1985, where they were used to build the T-8M-0 static test airframe and two flight machines, the T-8M-2 and T-8M-3, which were transferred for testing in 1985 and 1986, respectively.
                © Petr Butovsky, Alexander Larionov. Su-39 anti-tank aircraft. Aviation and Time. 1995, No. 03.
                Quote: Bad_gr
                The amount of equipment that was planned for installation in the Su-25TM would also fit in the standard Su-25.

                Nope, wouldn't fit.
                The new attack aircraft was designed based on the two-seat Su-25UB combat trainer. The airframes of both aircraft are nearly identical in configuration, but the forward fuselage of the T-8M was redesigned. In place of the second pilot's cockpit, an additional fuel tank, No. 3, was installed. The avionics compartment was located above it, and the cannon mount was located below the tank.

                It was not the collapse of the USSR that destroyed the Su-25TM, but the results of its tests.
                The Institute of Aviation and Space Medicine issued a warning. It stated: "When performing a number of combat mission modes, the pilot's psychophysiological load is close to the limit."

                And this is for first-class test pilots. What can we say about combat pilots...
                1. 0
                  April 3 2026 11: 29
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  © Petr Butovsky, Alexander Larionov. Su-39 anti-tank aircraft. Aviation and Time. 1995, No. 03.
                  Clear. Thanks for the information.
                  I probably confused the Su-25TM with later ones. what
      2. 0
        April 2 2026 17: 40
        Yes - it was mass-produced and the tooling and such remained. I haven't heard anything like that.
    2. +1
      April 2 2026 17: 39
      Building a two-seater would be like starting over from scratch. It's clear that UUAZ was recently saving all its equipment. They'd have to build a new one and repair the old one. If they have any. But why? Want to rebuild a heavy aircraft that's not the day before yesterday, but yesterday's?
    3. 0
      April 3 2026 13: 18
      Instead of one dead pilot, there will be two.
  9. +4
    April 2 2026 06: 54
    Interesting, but pointless. It's not even that it's an old model, it's that it's out of service.
    If modernization is to be carried out, it should only be for the current war and at a minimum.
    For example, remove everything unnecessary (perhaps even armor elements, but only so that the center of gravity does not change), and specialize the aircraft for the use of guided bombs of 500 and 250 kg caliber.
    And that's it, period. And let it operate outside the air defense zone. Maybe split the aircraft into 2-3 modernization groups.
    What the author is proposing is a new aircraft, and the saddest thing is that by the time they build it, the planes will already be decommissioned... This is not a B-52 or a Tu-95, which have been in service for 70 years...
  10. +5
    April 2 2026 06: 58
    Quote: Puncher
    The most shot down aircraft of the last 50 years

    That's the fate of stormtroopers. It's not a flaw; it's a way of life, it's destiny.
    You can't demand longevity from someone who was sentenced to death by birth, it's stupid.
    1. +1
      April 2 2026 09: 53
      Quote: wlkw
      You can't demand longevity from someone who was sentenced to death by birth, it's stupid.
      Reply
      Quote

      The history of wars and conflicts shows that faster and more maneuverable combat aircraft are shot down less often than slower ones, and this is easily explained: the longer the aircraft spends in a dangerous zone, the greater the likelihood of its destruction, and the presence or absence of armor does not fundamentally change anything. Plus, the former have solved and are solving a wider range of problems than the latter, and the very idea of ​​​​creating a sufficiently armored and at the same time "fast and maneuverable" is unrealistic.
      1. -1
        April 2 2026 13: 35
        The Tornado was fast and maneuverable, but it was still easily shot down even by obsolete anti-aircraft systems. The only way to reduce the number of downings was to first clear enemy positions of everything from MANPADS to more significant air-to-air weapons. Attack aircraft, both the Su-25 and their Western counterparts, were armored against small arms fire. When they were being developed, small arms fire was the primary threat to attack aircraft operating at low altitudes over the battlefield. So, criticizing and criticizing the Su-25 today is simply foolish and unseemly. Ultimately, the same can be said of their Western counterparts; they, too, are not long for the air in modern times. It's time for them all to retire, a well-deserved one.
        1. +2
          April 2 2026 14: 47
          Quote: Illanatol
          And attack aircraft, both the Su-25 and their Western counterparts, are armored defended themselves against small arms.
          The vast majority of anti-aircraft missiles down an aircraft not by a direct hit, but by shrapnel from the warhead's explosion. If the pilot is injured by shrapnel, the aircraft won't fly very far afterward.
          1. +1
            April 3 2026 08: 47
            When the Su-25 and its counterparts were being developed, SAMs performed very poorly at low altitudes, which is precisely where attack aircraft were designed to operate. Therefore, attack aircraft were considered a perfectly acceptable weapon. At low altitudes, they are difficult for anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down, and their armor protects them from small arms fire. But after MANPADS became widely used, attack aircraft became too vulnerable.
            1. 0
              April 3 2026 16: 18
              Quote: Illanatol
              When the Su-25 and its counterparts were being developed, SAMs performed very poorly at low altitudes, which is precisely where attack aircraft were designed to operate. Therefore, attack aircraft were considered a perfectly acceptable weapon. At low altitudes, they are difficult for anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down, and their armor protects them from small arms fire.

              At the time when the Su-25 and its analogues were being developed, The main threat to the attack aircraft was the air defense forces operating from the battle lines and covering the columns. And this is by no means a rifle operation.
              In particular, the Germans had been mass-producing the Gepard with a pair of 35mm cannons since 1973. The Roland air defense system, with a lower altitude limit of 20 meters, was also undergoing testing.
              In general, the original Su-25 was unsuitable for the ETVD.
              In 1989, the new attack aircraft was tested under realistic conditions. At a tank range near Brody (Lviv Oblast), exercises were held involving a squadron of Su-25s and two T-8Ms. The attack aircraft's mission was to search for and destroy a column of tanks covered by two self-propelled air defense systems of ground forces. The exercises demonstrated that the basic Su-25 was inferior to mobile air defense systems in the European theater of operations.
        2. 0
          April 3 2026 13: 20
          The Tornado was packed very tightly. Any hit would disable something important, forcing the craft to return. Because of this tightly packed system, these systems were already prone to failure during intensive flights.
          They crammed the capabilities of the F-15 into a significantly smaller aircraft. It was great in peacetime, but lousy in wartime.
    2. +1
      April 2 2026 17: 41
      Modern aircraft are expensive. They take six months to make. It's not economically viable to have suicide planes. Those were not the times. The pilots are a separate, sad story.
  11. +4
    April 2 2026 09: 16
    According to the Ministry of Defense, the average age of the aircraft exceeds 30 years, making serious modernization unjustified.
  12. +1
    April 2 2026 10: 20
    Experts may correct me, but in my opinion, the most promising approach is to develop a project to modernize the Rooks into UAVs. It's too dangerous on the battlefield right now to risk pilots. We have about 150 Rooks on hand, and the pilots should be retrained on more modern aircraft, and the Su-25 should be adapted for their use via remote control.
    1. 0
      April 2 2026 15: 18
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      develop a project to modernize the "rooks" into UAVs.

      Only if it's a kamikaze mission. Otherwise, all the "usefulness" will be eaten up by the weight of the armor and the gluttony of the two engines.
    2. +1
      April 3 2026 13: 49
      Russian military experts and representatives of the UAC (United Aircraft Corporation) have repeatedly stated the possibility of converting the Su-25 attack aircraft into an unmanned version.
      Autonomous Attacker: Carrying out attacks at pre-set coordinates using high-precision weapons.
  13. DO
    +1
    April 2 2026 10: 44
    The question of what to do with the 200 idle Su-25 aircraft is primarily related to the presence of heavy armor, which the aircraft is forced to carry at the expense of its load-carrying capacity, maneuverability, speed, range, and wasting fuel.
    1. First, let's consider the use of the upgraded Su-25, where armor is appropriate to reduce aircraft losses. This is an "UNMANNED attack aircraft" that penetrates enemy air defenses at extremely low altitudes using anti-aircraft maneuvers and delivers a swarm of autonomous AI-powered drones to a designated point in the enemy rear—to interfere with enemy logistics and disrupt the enemy's movement of reserves. If quadcopters are delivered, they are packed into expandable pods and equipped with jettisonable parachutes to prevent them from tumbling after release. If Lancets or similar missiles are required to be delivered, it must be a drone modification with wings that automatically deploy after release.
    2. Use of manned Su-25s outside the enemy air defense zone.
    Here, armor is an unwanted ballast, the presence of which:
    - or without any particular benefit worsens the aircraft's performance,
    - or requires work to remove the armor, if this is at all technically and economically possible.
    2a. One article on VO proposed using the Su-25 as an air defense fighter to intercept long-range enemy drones. This task of minimizing infrastructure losses is extremely pressing today. Therefore, two issues can be accommodated here: the issue of excess armor and the need to equip the aircraft with a pod-mounted radar like the "Kopyo" or its equivalent.
    2b. Using the Su-25 as a carrier for light cruise missiles. Here, a radar is not essential, but the problem of excess armor comes into full play.
    2c. As a glide bomb launcher, the Su-25 is fatally inferior to all other fighters, old and new, due to its low ceiling, speed, and payload, as well as the need to remove armor.
    1. +4
      April 2 2026 11: 06
      The problem with "excess armor" is that it's most likely not add-on, but integrated into the aircraft's structural frame. Removing it can only be done partially, but that would raise the issue of weight distribution. So, from my perspective, it seems to me (from my couch) that removing as much excess as possible would be a good idea, and using it as a glide bomb carrier along the forward edge.
      1. DO
        +3
        April 2 2026 11: 18
        wlkw, I also strongly doubt that the armored capsule of the Su-25 can be simply removed, much less removed completely.
        But replacing the titanium armored capsule with other designs, by completely redesigning the airframe, is most likely not worth the effort.
      2. +4
        April 2 2026 17: 43
        The armor is part of the structure. It can't be removed. Simply replacing it with a different metal is impossible. The weight will shift.
        If you only saw the thickness of that armor!
    2. VlK
      0
      April 2 2026 13: 55
      1. First, let's consider the use of the upgraded Su-25, where armor is appropriate to reduce aircraft losses. This is an "UNMANNED attack aircraft" that penetrates enemy air defenses at extremely low altitudes using anti-aircraft maneuvers and delivers a swarm of autonomous AI-powered drones to a designated point in the enemy rear—to interfere with enemy logistics and disrupt the enemy's movement of reserves. If quadcopters are delivered, they are packed into expandable pods and equipped with jettisonable parachutes to prevent them from tumbling after release. If Lancets or similar missiles are required to be delivered, it must be a drone modification with wings that automatically deploy after release.

      It's too complicated and expensive for one-off missions, and I feel sorry for the pilot.
      1. DO
        0
        April 2 2026 15: 01
        I wrote about upgrading the Su-25 into a drone that, after dropping a swarm of drones at a designated point behind enemy lines, returns to its airfield. Initially, this carrier's route can be fixed, but this feature can be enhanced with on-the-fly route adjustments and manual control by the operator.
        1. VlK
          0
          April 2 2026 15: 16
          Penetrating air defenses at extremely low altitudes in itself implies potentially high losses, especially for heavy aircraft with high radar signatures, but yes, I didn't read carefully about the lack of a pilot - sorry.
          1. DO
            +1
            April 2 2026 18: 14
            Quote: VlK
            Breaking through air defenses at extremely low altitudes in itself implies potentially high losses

            How many quadcopters does a Geranium carry today? One or two? That's nothing for an enemy column. But a single Su-25 can carry a swarm of dozens of quadcopters in its underslung pods, plus several Lancets with folding wings.
            Regarding losses. Manned Su-25s used to operate against Ukrainian rear areas. Yes, they lost aircraft and pilots, and the use of unguided rockets while pitching up was more like simulating frenzied activity. By upgrading the Su-25 into an unmanned carrier for a swarm of AI-powered drones, we can expect normal attack effectiveness, but the risk of being shot down is on the unmanned carrier—that is, the piece of metal, not the human. War is never without losses.
            1. VlK
              0
              April 2 2026 18: 57
              Regarding losses. Manned Su-25s used to operate against Ukrainian rear areas. Yes, they lost aircraft and pilots, and the use of unguided rockets while pitching up was more like simulating frenzied activity. By upgrading the Su-25 into an unmanned carrier for a swarm of AI-powered drones, we can expect normal attack effectiveness, but the risk of being shot down is on the unmanned carrier—that is, the piece of metal, not the human. War is never without losses.
              It's simply too complex and expensive to solve such problems. At the current stage of technological development, the same task would be better accomplished with a flight/squadron (or even a regiment) of relatively inexpensive Geranium-like drones. Moreover, a distributed system is less sensitive to the loss of several individual components. And what's the point of investing in a major upgrade of the remaining aircraft without the possibility of putting them back into production? They're useful for the rest of their service life, nothing more.
              1. DO
                0
                April 2 2026 19: 19
                Quote: VlK
                To solve such problems, at the current stage of technological development, it would be better to do the same thing with a link/squadron (or even a regiment) of relatively cheap Geranium-like drones.

                Of course, Geranis have proven to be highly effective in attacks on the enemy's rear, and in principle no one would object to their use, whether by a regiment or even just one at a time.
                But a full-size rocket carrier does not negate, but rather complements the use of Geraniums.
                Why are Geranis rarely used near LCSs? The 3-meter Geranis have a warhead of around 50 kg. But at LCSs, Lancets with a 3 or 1 kg warhead, and quads with even smaller warheads, are usually sufficient. And if a swarm of quads and Lancets were delivered and dropped over an enemy column deep in the rear, the experience and know-how gained from using drones at LCSs would largely be transferred to the enemy's rear.
                1. VlK
                  0
                  April 2 2026 19: 41
                  I think the loss of any airplane (even without a pilot) is much, much more sensitive for us than the loss of a flight/squadron of disposable Geraniums with a reduced charge and a transport container - the economics of war in action.
                  1. DO
                    0
                    April 2 2026 20: 03
                    VlK, here we simply need to calculate how many Geraniums are economically equivalent to the loss of one full-size rocket launch vehicle, what is the number of drone swarms being transported, and how many operators are required for different deployment scenarios.
                    So, let's not put a period, let's put an ellipsis...
                    1. VlK
                      +1
                      April 2 2026 20: 43
                      not only purely economically, but also the period of their production?
                      So, let's not put a period, let's put an ellipsis...

                      agree)
              2. DO
                0
                April 2 2026 19: 44
                Quote: VlK
                And what's the point of investing in a major upgrade of the remaining aircraft without the possibility of putting them back into production? They're only useful for the remainder of their service life, nothing more.

                Firstly, the experience and developments with the Su-25 as a jet carrier for a drone swarm can be transferred to other carriers, for example, to the single-engine Grom UAV, to the unmanned version of the Yak-130 (the Yakovlev Design Bureau declared the development of single-engine UAVs based on the Yak-130, but for some reason nothing has been heard about their testing).
                Secondly, yes, your arguments are valid for peacetime. But in wartime, a large number of aircraft is essential, even if obtained through less-than-optimal (or, let's say, suboptimal) economic means. New aircraft are produced at some factories, while older aircraft are modernized, including into drones, at other repair plants. And then, right here and now, the total number of aircraft available is significantly greater than if only new aircraft were produced.
                1. 0
                  April 3 2026 13: 25
                  Well, it's obvious that drones are deaf and blind. Making them reusable isn't very effective.
                  1. DO
                    0
                    April 4 2026 17: 27
                    Quote: MCmaximus
                    Well, it's obvious that drones are deaf and blind.

                    Well, why not? The pilot's reception of voice commands from support services via radio, which is unnecessary for a "deaf" drone, is replaced by digital commands (for example, "initiate anti-aircraft maneuver," "engage afterburners," "change route to such-and-such parameters," etc.).
                    To prevent the drone from being "blind", in justified cases it can be equipped with an optical sight, radar and other sensors.

                    Quote: MCmaximus
                    Making them reusable is not very effective.

                    Recently there were reports that a Su-34 was shot down in the SVO zone and both pilots were killed.
                    --
                    The main job of the Su-34 in the VSO today is to drop glide bombs.
                    But the task of dropping glide bombs can now be fully automated. The Su-34 is being upgraded into a drone that flies a fixed route, dropping its bombs at a predetermined point. Receiving external digital commands complements the fixed route function.
                    It's clear that aircraft operated by well-trained pilots will suffer fewer losses on average than similar drones. However, combat pilots are a valuable resource, more valuable than the aircraft themselves in every sense—human, financial, and political.
                    1. 0
                      April 4 2026 18: 42
                      When I write about deafness and blindness, I mean someone who is ripe and deaf to the enemy's influence. They're pounding him with a mundane machine gun, and he keeps flying as if that's how it should be.
                      1. DO
                        0
                        April 4 2026 19: 09
                        MCmaximus, what can a pilot of a Su-25 attack aircraft flying at low altitude do when they're firing at him with a simple machine gun?
                        ===
                        I have a typo in the comment above - it should be SVO instead of VSO.
                      2. 0
                        April 5 2026 06: 48
                        To the point that he might notice in advance. Whether to dodge or fire a cannonball is a matter of taste.
                        Now the non-brother just has a jeep with a PC parked in an open space. That's all. It's pounding Geranki and other places like a firing range.
                        He would have hidden from the plane as best he could. And after realizing they were about to close in on him, he would have swerved in all directions. Even if an I-15 with two machine guns had come at him.
                        Or the pilot turned away a little and tried to hit.
                      3. DO
                        0
                        April 5 2026 11: 57
                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        The pilot turned away a little and tried to hit

                        This means that it is advisable for the unmanned Su-25 to fly over enemy territory with an automatic anti-aircraft maneuver ("butterfly flight").

                        Quote: MCmaximus
                        (...) to treat from a cannon - it's a matter of taste.
                        Now the non-brothers just have a jeep with a PC parked in an open area. That's all. It's pounding Geranki and other places like a firing range.
                        He would have hidden from the plane as best he could. And after realizing they were about to attack him, he would have bolted in all directions.

                        So, there's little point in the aircraft slowing down, circling, and attacking a jeep with a machine gun, wasting time and exposing itself to MANPADS. Completing the primary combat mission is more important.
                        An unmanned drone carrier, having detected a jeep with a machine gun firing at it using its onboard equipment, could have acted more simply in this situation: drop the autonomous drone configured to search for and attack the jeep, and fly on.
        2. 0
          April 2 2026 15: 20
          Quote: DO
          I wrote about upgrading the Su-25 into a drone, which, after dropping a swarm of drones at a designated point behind enemy lines, returns to its airfield.

          But he won't get through there and we'll just lose the drone package. request
          1. DO
            0
            April 2 2026 18: 20
            Quote: Adrey
            we'll just lose a package of drones

            The Su-25 drone carrier could be equipped with air defense sensors to detect its own air defense engagement. When triggered, the drone swarm would automatically disengage. Secondary targets along the drone's route would also be stored in the drone's memory. Then, if the carrier is shot down, the drone swarm wouldn't be completely useless.
            1. 0
              April 2 2026 19: 16
              Is all this fuss over this platform really necessary? After three months of active use, this device will wear out, and then what?
              But yes, the money can certainly be embezzled.
              1. VlK
                0
                April 2 2026 19: 43
                probably only as a promising development of technologies and solutions for new generation unmanned battlefield strike systems - "new attack aircraft"
                1. 0
                  April 2 2026 19: 55
                  This will already be completely different car. Not based on the old armored flyer.
                  1. VlK
                    0
                    April 2 2026 20: 48
                    Naturally, but some of the above-mentioned solutions, in particular those related to technical systems for reducing the likelihood of aircraft being hit by modern air defense systems, can be tested during the modernization of existing aircraft models.
                2. DO
                  0
                  April 2 2026 20: 26
                  VlK, now is not the situation where developments are being made with the prospect of implementation within five years.
                  If we're developing an "unmanned attack aircraft," we're aiming for mass production within a year or two at the most. Diverting resources from quick decisions now is unacceptable, as it won't bring victory over our enemies any closer, but will delay it.
                  1. VlK
                    0
                    April 2 2026 20: 58
                    Without our own promising developments and projects, we risk falling behind the leading powers in the military sphere, now united in a single military bloc, by one or two generations of technology—in other words, practically forever. This war is clearly not the last, and strategic deterrence through our military potential has not been abolished. And for us, as there never was, and likely never will be, an opportunity to hide under the umbrella of a friendly bloc. So we can't focus solely on meeting current and immediate needs; that's a dead end. We've already practically missed the last and penultimate revolutions in military affairs.
                    1. DO
                      -1
                      April 2 2026 21: 50
                      Quote: VlK
                      This war is clearly not the last one.

                      What do you mean by the word "this"?
                      In Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces are essentially at war with the collective West. The West supplies Ukraine with weapons, targeting specialists, heavy equipment, drones, aircraft, intelligence, mercenaries, vacationers, and simply money. It also trains personnel, plans operations, and exercises command.
                      Today, all of this is starting to spill beyond Ukraine's borders—at the very least, the Baltic states and Finland have opened their airspace to drones. Next up are cruise missiles, the provision of Norwegian waters for the NATO Navy, the primary carrier of cruise missiles. Next up are ground incursions by NATO neighbors. We won't talk about nuclear weapons for now.
                      So, it turns out that there's a continuous escalation within the same war between Russia and the collective West. And the critical moment that will determine whether Russia will survive is already approaching, most likely this year. Therefore, if we invest our main resources today in a ten-year perspective, building a nuclear power plant in Turkey at Russian expense with promises to the people that the costs will be recouped in the next century, shipping raw materials to India for rupees that will be uselessly stored in Indian banks, and so on, this brightest future for Russia may never materialize—due to military defeat followed by the partition of the country, genocide of the people, and the execution of its leaders.
                      1. VlK
                        0
                        April 2 2026 22: 16
                        What do you mean by the word "this"?
                        In Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces are essentially at war with the collective West. The West supplies Ukraine with weapons, targeting specialists, heavy equipment, drones, aircraft, intelligence, mercenaries, vacationers, and simply money. It also trains personnel, plans operations, and exercises command.

                        For now, this current war (the Central Military District) is regional, albeit with the coalition through its indirect actions, albeit with incidents in other regions, but still regional. Similar to the Spanish Civil War. It's just that this time, thanks to our geostrategists, we're waging it alone, not counting one episode with military assistance from Comrade Kim. What happens next—who knows? We'll see. Without a decisive victory, we face either shameful peace terms or further military escalation to incomprehensible limits. Our attempts to drag out the process, making it "unprofitable" for the beneficiaries on the other side, are futile, in my humble opinion—they've already spent so much on supporting the former Soviet Union that simply writing off these sums as a loss doesn't seem even remotely feasible for their current ruling circles.
                      2. DO
                        0
                        April 3 2026 00: 03
                        Quote: VlK
                        What will happen next - who knows?

                        Of all the possible scenarios for a confrontation between the West and Russia, it's essential to prepare for the worst (for now, let's leave out the worst of the worst—a nuclear Amargedian war through massive strategic nuclear strikes). I outlined this worst-case scenario above.
                        Unfortunately, if we don't "bury our heads in the sand" and instead take a hard look at what's happening, international politics is currently playing out exactly according to this scenario.

                        Quote: VlK
                        For now, this current war (SVO) is regional, albeit with the coalition through its indirect actions, albeit with incidents in other regions, but it is regional.

                        It seems you, as I do deep down, want "this current war (SVO)" to be and remain a regional conflict. But the massive drone strikes from NATO's Baltic states and Finland, which have received widespread publicity, even formally place the attacks on critical Russian infrastructure outside the scope of a regional conflict.
                        I won't spill out everything I think about this here, but within the framework of the topic under discussion, under the current conditions, the existing Su-25 aircraft need:
                        1. Build and deploy radars very quickly, and strengthen air defenses with them. And make the air defense service itself a centralized, all-Russian one.
                        2. The events in Kupyansk, Ukraine, where the maneuver of significant Ukrainian Armed Forces reserves nullified our gains in the city, became a clear illustration of the need to step up efforts to move military resources behind enemy lines. Let's put aside the tired calls to finally do to the bridges of the Ukrainian Reich what the US and Israel have already done to the bridges of Iran during the month-long conflict in the Middle East.
                        You write about clouds of Geraniums that are supposed to attack the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. But for some reason, despite these clouds of Geraniums, Ukrainian Armed Forces reserves are moving wherever and whenever they need to. So perhaps some of the existing Su-25s, upgraded into unmanned drone carriers with AI, could help solve this pressing issue?
                      3. VlK
                        0
                        April 3 2026 14: 33
                        You write about clouds of Geraniums that are supposed to attack the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. But for some reason, despite these clouds of Geraniums, Ukrainian Armed Forces reserves are moving wherever and whenever they need to. So perhaps some of the existing Su-25s, upgraded into unmanned drone carriers with AI, could help solve this pressing issue?

                        Geranis target stationary targets using predetermined coordinates. The occasional use of them with operator-directed targeting in real time is, in my opinion, still in the pilot testing phase. And the current state of communication channels for widespread deployment of this technology after Starlink's shutdown is unclear. Furthermore, the issue of enemy reserve movement and accumulation is, I believe, primarily a matter of real-time detection, meaning reconnaissance and target designation, rather than the availability of any special weapons. So, Geranis are unlikely to play any decisive role here, any more than the Su-25.
                      4. DO
                        0
                        April 3 2026 16: 38
                        Quote: VlK
                        The issue of moving and accumulating enemy reserves is, I think, primarily a matter of detecting them in real time, that is, with reconnaissance and target designation, and not the presence of any special weapons, so the Gerani is unlikely to be able to play any decisive role here, just like the Su-25.

                        But now we are not discussing reconnaissance means, but rather special means of destruction.
                        Nevertheless, let's imagine a situation where reconnaissance reports to headquarters that a large enemy column is moving 120 km from the LBS, parallel to the LBS. And headquarters starts scratching their heads—they can't reach them with artillery and MLRS, the Geraniums/Gerberas are only coordinated, and the missiles are also coordinated. What should they do? Perhaps, to avoid accusations of inaction, they should send manned Su-25s there? Let them fire unguided rockets while pitching up; they won't kill them as much as they scare them?

                        Quote: VlK
                        Gerani operate on stationary objects, using pre-determined coordinates. Individual cases of their use with operator targeting in real time are, in my opinion, still in the experimental testing stage. And what is the current state of communication channels for the mass use of such technology after the shutdown of Starlink is unclear.

                        There are two solutions for how to use Geraniums/Gerberas with targeting and with AI against mobile ground targets (in cases where dynamic adjustment of their route based on reconnaissance data is impossible).
                        1) If there is a communication channel, the operator searches for the column via video in the most probable direction of its movement, and upon discovering it, attacks.
                        2) In the absence of a communication channel, the Geranium/Gerber swarm automatically searches for a column using a built-in target search algorithm, and upon detection, automatically attacks again using a built-in algorithm.

                        Here, we note that in our case, the propeller-driven Geraniums/Gerberas will take up to an hour to reach the convoy. During this time, the convoy will have traveled quite far.
                        In the case of the Su-25 (unmanned) with a cruising speed of 750 km/h, it will fly in about 10 minutes if in a straight line, and will find the column many times faster and with a higher probability than the propeller-driven slow-moving Gerani/Gerbera aircraft.
                      5. VlK
                        0
                        April 3 2026 16: 45
                        Here, we note that in our case, the propeller-driven Geraniums/Gerberas will take up to an hour to reach the convoy. During this time, the convoy will have traveled quite far.
                        In the case of the Su-25 (unmanned) with a cruising speed of 750 km/h, it will fly in about 10 minutes if in a straight line, and will find the column many times faster and with a higher probability than the propeller-driven slow-moving Gerani/Gerbera aircraft.

                        What about the time for approval (at what command level) and preparation for departure? Surely a ground attack aircraft wouldn't just sit in the air waiting for a request? In my opinion, it's all complicated from an organizational perspective.
                      6. DO
                        0
                        April 3 2026 17: 05
                        Quote: VlK
                        What about the time for approval (at what command level) and preparation for takeoff? Surely the attack aircraft won't be standing guard in the air waiting for a request?

                        The airfield command's authority to strike an agreed-upon list of targets with the agreed-upon means must be approved by order in advance. The armed drone(s) must remain on the runway 24/7, ready for takeoff. However, some time is required to generate the flight mission (using specialized software) and enter it into the aircraft and drones' memory.
                        And yes, the airfield should be located far away from the LBS to avoid massive FPV attacks. This means additional minutes of flight time over your own rear.
                      7. DO
                        0
                        April 3 2026 17: 31
                        VLK, and more about the Su-25.
                        The creation and practical development of unmanned drone swarm carriers requires at least a year.
                        Here and now, the closer a drone swarm is launched to the LBS, the deeper into the enemy's rear they can reach. However, any movement of our personnel near the LBS is mortally dangerous due to the abundance of enemy FPV drones.
                        Therefore, manned Su-25s can be used to quickly deliver and drop a swarm of drones at a specified point near the LBS, without the aircraft entering the enemy's air defense zone.
                      8. VlK
                        0
                        April 3 2026 17: 58
                        The Chinese seem to have long ago demonstrated a multiple launch rocket system for batch launching containers with drones over a very respectable distance - cheap and practical
                      9. DO
                        0
                        April 3 2026 18: 39
                        VLK, yes, the Chinese WS-2D MLRS has a maximum range of up to 400 km, with trajectory adjustments in the final section from an external UAVIt's a good thing, but it's not ours, and they won't sell it to us.
                        However, in the context of our discussion, a MLRS without trajectory correction is designed to operate using coordinates. Correction at the final trajectory stage is intended to compensate for trajectory dispersion. Against mobile targets at maximum range, such a system is practically useless. Moreover, a UAV is still required for correction. And if a mobile target has been detected by human intelligence, it's easier to dispatch human-controlled attack UAVs or those with autonomous AI to destroy it.
                      10. VlK
                        +1
                        April 3 2026 19: 18
                        That's how they were going to deploy the UAVs, to make them work in a swarm
                      11. DO
                        0
                        April 3 2026 20: 12
                        VlK, unfortunately, I personally have not seen any reports of the use of drone delivery systems via MLRS in the SVO zone.
                        Although the technical problems of such delivery are solvable. For example, I know for a fact that back during the Afghan War, Soviet factories were producing reconnaissance sensors fired from cannons. It's worth noting that the G-forces experienced by a projectile in a cannon barrel are many times greater than those experienced by an MLRS missile during its launch.
              2. DO
                0
                April 2 2026 20: 19
                Andrey, were the Su-25s actually used in the Air Defense Forces for only three months? Where did you get that figure?
                And yes, from my experience as an engineer who worked for decades, including in the defense industry, money can be siphoned off on anything, from software to foot wraps. I could also accuse you of the same thing without any basis.
                1. 0
                  April 2 2026 21: 26
                  Quote: DO
                  Andrey, were the Su-25s used in the Air Defense Forces for only 3 months?

                  It's just that with your use case, they'll run out very quickly. Does it make sense to waste time and money on this now?
                  1. DO
                    0
                    April 2 2026 22: 01
                    Quote: Adrey
                    In your application scenario, they /*Su-25*/ will run out very quickly

                    Today, around 200 Su-25s are idle. They face the prospect of being stored, rotting, and then being cut up for scrap. So perhaps it's better to let them inflict losses on the enemy before their end? Naturally, nothing comes for free. The Su-25s are relatively free as is, but modernizing them requires some resources.
  14. 0
    April 2 2026 10: 58
    "...The USSR and Russia have never fought wars with an adversary possessing powerful air defense systems, and they missed this evolutionary leap..." (c) But did the US fight? And where, I wonder? "...The current war with Iran, where the US and Israel have not lost a single combat aircraft..." (c) No. Nope. Trump wrote.
  15. +2
    April 2 2026 11: 17
    The SU-25 and its modifications will remain in service for a long time.
  16. +2
    April 2 2026 12: 05
    We can't suppress air defenses, we lack precision-guided munitions, so we use unguided rockets. Conclusion: frontline aviation is outdated. Perhaps we should learn from the experience of our Western partners, who fly in Iran as if it were their home.
  17. BAI
    -2
    April 2 2026 12: 26
    1.
    The current war with Iran, where the US and Israel have not lost a single combat aircraft, is a clear example of what we should strive for.

    3 F-15, 1 F-35 and 1 tanker don't count?
    2.
    compact enough to fit into 152mm and 203mm caliber shells.

    Although they have long been decommissioned and presumably disposed of, the simplicity of the gun design allows for the rapid resumption of production of such warheads. If such a warhead were placed on the Banderol cruise missile or a similar small missile, it would enable even helicopters to carry out nuclear strikes at ranges of 400 kilometers or more.

    Before they can be deployed, they need to be manufactured. And the equipment for production no longer exists. Once they're manufactured, the war will be over. Even the Central Military District, let alone the European one.
  18. +2
    April 2 2026 12: 55
    Why all this fuss? Send the old man off to retirement. Let him chase drones.
    Instead of upgrading it, it's easier to produce additional serial Su-34s. Flying into air defense zones is detrimental to both. But the 34's service life, propulsion capacity, and power output are many times greater, meaning it can carry pods with RC radars and electronic warfare systems.
  19. 0
    April 2 2026 12: 58
    Regarding weapons systems, I'll add: we have missiles for the Uragan and Smerch MLRS, if they're adapted for air launch and equipped with an inertial/satellite guidance module. The Israelis created their Rampage and Airlora missiles this way—simply adapting land-based missiles to aircraft. The Uragan missile weighs 280 kg, has a 100 kg warhead, and has a range from the ground of 35 km. Even with a guidance module, the weight is around 300 kg—that's enough for each component. The range will also increase with increased launch altitude, even with the old engine, and with the new one, it will be even greater. The Su-25 has laser-guided S-25LD missiles in its arsenal. If they replace the guidance system with a satellite one, they can be used with a nose-up approach, but only with precision. And for the Orion, they proposed the UPAB-100, a gliding guided bomb with a Grad multiple rocket launcher warhead. These could be deployed in batches, including on more modern vehicles. And they could be used against smaller targets. And if more types of Grad multiple rocket launcher warheads were adapted (for example, cluster warheads with submunitions or mines), the target range could be expanded.
    Regarding a new small anti-aircraft missile, if it were developed based on the R73/74 guided missile, with a new seeker and warhead, it could be carried by helicopters. Or at least the Kh25MP seeker would be replaced, and if the engine were also added, the range would likely be 70-80 km.
    And no one is eliminating the need for a convertible missile from the S-8 unguided rocket. This will create a whole family of universal and affordable missiles for helicopters, aircraft, boats, and ground-based launchers. They can be used against unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), drones, and light vehicles. Consider the capabilities of the APKWS computer. It's currently being actively used as an anti-drone weapon, but the warhead and engine are already in place—only the control module and, if necessary, a non-contact fuse are purchased. In the field, two technicians can reassemble the missile in 20 minutes.
    1. +1
      April 2 2026 14: 54
      This is all well and good, of course, but these smart munitions should have been churned out since 2006, so that there would be tens, or better yet, hundreds of thousands of them in stock, or else during the war we'll be producing several hundred of the least technically sophisticated UMPCs. And for a hundred Sukhois, that's not enough; they loaded four per day onto each and that's it, they're gone. request
      1. 0
        19 May 2026 23: 29
        Yes, that's exactly it.
        But the thing is that our factories are like, wow...
        For example, the Chelyabinsk AMZ, where they made the RS for the BM-30 SMERCH, now there's a cluster of business centers and so on...
        And the 70-kilometer firing range was achieved by using gyroscopes to compensate for dispersion. It was like a miniature inertial seeker.
  20. VlK
    +1
    April 2 2026 13: 24
    So many necessary improvements - to burn up the remaining resources of the machines that are still in service, long out of production?
    In my opinion, it would be more logical to transfer all of them to naval aviation, making only those changes that can be implemented quickly right now. The aircraft is designed for low-altitude operations—great, so let it hunt unmanned combat aircraft using UAV guidance. At the very least, it can reach the interception point faster than an attack helicopter. And given the addition of air defense systems to Ukrainian unmanned combat aircraft, an armored cockpit would likely be a plus. Furthermore, this would free up the naval Su-30s from missions unsuitable for them. After all, the Baltic Sea could very well be added to the Black Sea combat operations soon, and it's there that everything would likely begin with unmanned combat aircraft of unidentified nationality.
    Is the modern Yak-130 much more suitable for launching small cruise missiles and dropping small-caliber antitank warheads from outside the air defense zone than the armored, aging Su-25? At the very least, this seems like a more promising development path.
  21. +2
    April 2 2026 14: 06
    Why all the sudden so much attention to towed decoys, when unmanned targets play a far greater role? In the 80s and 90s, the success of SEAD operations was attributed to the ADM-141 TALD gliding missile. Nowadays, dozens (hundreds) of UMPK gliding missiles are dropped on the enemy per day, so isn't it possible to produce a target with a reflector equipped with a gliding module? The Su-25 itself is a very survivable combat aircraft, probably the only one capable of surviving a close-in burst from a Patriot PAC2 missile, so it's clearly too early to write it off.
  22. +1
    April 2 2026 14: 31
    Stop praying to UAVs; they're a temporary and overblown phenomenon, like COVID. The Americans, with their technology, are sending a herd of "warts" to Iran. It's the mass of warheads, the speed, and any AI that won't replace a pilot in the near future.
  23. -2
    April 2 2026 14: 36
    Any UAV with a warhead load of over 500 kg is a target for air defense, and good luck shooting down an armored attack aircraft.
  24. +1
    April 2 2026 14: 38
    It's all very interesting and informative, but the youngest glider is about 25 years old, and there are only about a hundred of them left. In my opinion, the Su-25 should be consigned to history, and its place should be taken by a drone and/or an attack aircraft, but with superior performance.
  25. 0
    April 2 2026 16: 13
    Alexander, Vzglyad is publishing a series of your rather interesting articles on the Gulf. In one of them, you cited the fact that the coalition has suppressed Iran's air defenses to such an extent that they're even hunting individual trucks with their guns. Footage of A-10s being used is also featured.
    Can we achieve this with the resources we have, through organization and planning, especially given the enemy's supply shortfall?
    Or is the question too rhetorical?
    Or a response to the whole article?
  26. +2
    April 2 2026 16: 22
    Alexander, of course, rubbed salt into the wounds heartily! But I'll put it simply: we need to "rename" the Su-25 to the Su-34 as soon as possible. Stop crawling on its belly over the battlefield; we need to climb to altitudes above 12000 meters; there, a souped-up aircraft will be able to counter any missiles launched from the ground that are within range.
    1. 0
      April 2 2026 16: 52
      To understand what kind of attack aircraft is needed and whether it is needed at all, we need to compare its effectiveness with something else, for example, with large-caliber MLRS
  27. +5
    April 2 2026 17: 07
    The main reason for our air force's ineffectiveness in the Central Military District is its small size. Proponents of a "compact army" trained it exclusively for operations against ragamuffins with AKMs, RPGs, and a few MANPADS. And they pathetically believed that 50-60 of those Su-34s would be more than enough to cover the Baltic to Kamchatka.
    BUT it turned out that the Air Force, with a meager number of aircraft, even with a battered enemy air defense system, but retaining its combat capability, albeit truncated, could suffer unacceptable losses that would nullify its combat capability.
    Where the US and Israeli Air Forces currently operate in groups of tens, even hundreds, of aircraft, our Air Force can field 10-15 at most. For the US Air Force, the loss of 10-12 or even 15-16 aircraft is not critical, but for our aviation, such losses practically nullify its potential.
    We see the complete collapse of the speculative concept of the apologists of the "compact army" that a tiny number of combat aircraft, due to their technical sophistication, is supposedly capable of ensuring success in a modern war.
    The Su-25 attack aircraft wasn't designed to operate in pairs, or at most in fours. These were aircraft designed for echeloned strikes on the battlefield, with dozens of attack aircraft operating against the enemy, plowed through enemy infantry and artillery positions with bombs and missiles. Precision strikes were supposed to be the work of the MiG-27, Su-17, and Su-24.
    That is why the Su-25 firing unguided missiles from a pitched position somewhere is a profanation and a waste of ammunition.
    This, of course, does not change the fact that the attack aircraft requires extensive modernization.
    As was the case, for example, with the A-10. When the aircraft, designed around a 30mm seven-barrel cannon and initially capable of carrying only unguided rockets and free-fall bombs, received equipment for deploying the Maverick guided missile.
    Another issue is that it needs to be done—modernizing the Su-25—that was already the case the day before yesterday. But it wasn't done. So now the clamor has begun about whether or not a ground attack aircraft is needed.
    1. +2
      April 2 2026 18: 28
      There's enough air power even now—plenty of Su-24s, Su-30s, Su-34s, and so on—for a full-fledged air operation. But I have a question: why haven't the air defenses been suppressed in five years? What a strange war... I don't think Victory is even a goal.
      1. VlK
        +1
        April 2 2026 19: 03
        But I have a question: why hasn’t the air defense been suppressed in 5 years?
        Haven't we forgotten how to do this? Since Afghanistan, the primary form of combat use of aviation in practice has been to carry out bombing and assault strikes by a flight of aircraft in support of ground units, or to carry out bombing at specified coordinates.
        1. 0
          April 2 2026 20: 52
          The AVCs have a 500-kilometer range, and the Su-57s are also being monitored. I don't think it's difficult to suppress the air defenses, at least in the attack zone of Slavyansk.
          Kharkov and Sumy could be wiped off the face of the Earth with bombs from UMPK and MLRS.
          1. VlK
            +1
            April 2 2026 21: 07
            What about the ability to organize and execute such an operation through coordinated actions by various units, not just a one-time surprise, but with a buildup of strike power and a response to enemy countermeasures? We apparently have no electronic warfare aircraft left. The few A-50s we have are obviously being hoarded after the loss of their aircraft and the lack of any immediate opportunity to replenish them. Attack aircraft operate in spurts...
            1. osp
              +2
              April 3 2026 05: 04
              Please note that Russia has not had any light frontline fighters (the MiG-29 was considered one) for a long time.
              Fighter-bomber aviation (Su-17, MiG-27 single-engine) is also long gone, it was the most powerful in the world.
              Specialized air defense breakthrough aircraft (Su-24MP and Mi-25BM) have also long been absent.
              What about tactical aircraft?
              There is one Su-27 platform in different variations, Su-34, Su-30 and Su-35 with the remains of Su-27SM.
              The platform is the same, the tasks are approximately the same, the characteristics are similar.
              What else do they have in common? The large RCS of these aircraft's airframes.
              Especially the Su-34 and Su-30SM, which have canards. When carrying missiles like the Kh-31, this RCS can increase from 10 to 20, which is too high for tactical strike aircraft.
              For an interceptor fighter, which is what the Su-27 was originally designed to be, this figure is not critical.
              And for bombers and attack aircraft, which the Su-34/Su-30 became, this figure is too high.
              Moreover, at low altitudes, even such large aircraft do not have protection against MANPADS.
              At medium and high altitudes, SAM systems + F-16s armed with AIM-120D missiles.
      2. osp
        +1
        April 3 2026 05: 08
        How much is full?
        Approximately 250-300 aircraft of the Su-30, Su-35 and Su-34 types. +/- 100 other types.
        Of these, half or more are in the Far East, where they have their own tasks.
        That is, no more than 100-120 can be allocated against Ukraine, of which even fewer can work simultaneously.
        The base airfields do not have reinforced concrete shelters and are regularly subject to UAV attacks.

        P.S.

        To the extent that the US and Israel use us, we will grow and grow.
        1. 0
          April 3 2026 09: 11
          There are approximately 150-200 of each species. It's quite possible to collect 300-400, and that's quite enough.
          There are also Mig-31s which, if desired, can carry 6 pieces of cab1500, if I remember correctly.
  28. 0
    April 2 2026 18: 23
    The further into the forest you go, the more you understand: Serdyukov’s reform was very wise, far-sighted, and well-thought-out. wink
    In modern warfare, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles/armored personnel carriers, aircraft, ships, submarines, and many other types of military equipment are completely ineffective. A waste of public money. negative

    I don't even know whether this is sarcasm or not... what
  29. 0
    April 2 2026 18: 24
    We need radar and guided 500s...and this was needed back in Georgia.
  30. +2
    April 2 2026 19: 10
    Having served in the Air Force myself, I know full well that Russia has no aircraft today. Of any kind. And production is not just sluggish, it's incredibly weak! One airplane a month at best. Conclusion: resume production in Ulan-Ude while it's still possible and shove in new components. Urgently establish production of the MiG-35 in Lukhovitsy. Even the LA-5 is needed for counter-drone operations! Meanwhile, while stupid incompetents run a war they themselves don't understand, Russia's air force is turning into Iran's.
    1. 0
      April 3 2026 13: 54
      The factories do what the Ministry of Defense orders.
  31. +1
    April 2 2026 19: 40
    As a student, I did an internship at the Tbilisi Aircraft Plant, when they were launching production of the Su-25 and phasing out production of the MiG-21.
    It was summer, and the French film "Recruits Go to War" was released in the USSR. Next to the factory, there was a shed that turned out to be a movie theater. The film's title meant nothing, so we just walked in, and the theater was practically empty. Afterward, we crawled out on all fours, choking with laughter.
    These are the associations I have with the Su-25. wink

    We traveled into town by minibus. Everyone handed over the fare to the driver. There was a roll of tickets hanging by the door, but no one tore them off. As I understood it, this was for inspection; if the inspectors came in, everyone would tear off a ticket. The concept of "change" didn't exist in Georgia; change was practically nonexistent. Remember, back then there were no payment cards or cell phones. All purchases were made in cash.
    1. +1
      April 2 2026 20: 49
      I read that the assembly quality in Georgia was disgusting - there was no quality culture and many aircraft were literally written off already in the military.
      1. VlK
        +1
        April 2 2026 21: 10
        In the Soviet era, was there anything high-quality in Georgia's bazaars other than wine, tangerines, and carnations? "Georgian quality" was a running meme back then.
      2. +1
        April 3 2026 00: 05
        A true story, recounted by a participant in the events. In the 80s, after an aircraft was assembled at the Tbilisi plant, a test flight was conducted. The pilot reported increased roll force. The aileron tips were bent back. After a second flight, the aircraft still banked. Someone thought to adjust the length of the wingtips. The difference was about 20 cm. Apparently, the aircraft was assembled on Monday.
        1. +1
          April 3 2026 13: 58
          It's hard to believe. Even taking into account Georgian customs. If everything is tied together, then it's impossible to assemble a console of the perfect length on the slipway. Or, at least, all consoles should be like this. And the final leveling is presented to the military. A test pilot is a figure on par with a plant director. To overlook such a thing is to blame. A military representative can be wined and dined with a Georgian choir.
        2. 0
          April 3 2026 14: 08
          Quote: firefox7022
          The difference was about 20 cm.
          Maybe around 12.
          Su-25 (base): Wingspan 14,36 m, area 30,1 m², leading edge sweep 20°.

          Su-25T / Su-39 (anti-tank):
          The glider received increased wingspan (14,52 m) Due to design changes, a wider "hump" was installed behind the cockpit to accommodate avionics.
          The first flight took place on August 17, 1984. Serial production began in 1990 at the Tbilisi Aircraft Plant.
          1. +1
            April 3 2026 15: 36
            Are you saying they rigged up the consoles from different kits? Yes, everyone signs off on that kind of thing. You can't even imagine how much paperwork and at what level will be written. And again: aircraft alignment. If they hid the flawed geometry there, then even if they treated the director like someone's relative, the chief military representative will end up serving at Dikson. Until retirement. I won't even mention the ordinary military representatives.
            And then: whose money will be spent on the renovation?
            1. +2
              April 3 2026 16: 33
              It is obvious that there were problems, but it is obvious that I am not a witness to these problems.
              1. +1
                April 3 2026 17: 21
                Well, I'll believe that. What did our Georgian brothers say back then? "We only employ Russians and fools." But assembling a wing 20 cm larger... Highly doubtful.
  32. 0
    April 2 2026 21: 19
    Russia still has plenty of aircraft and pilots that could provide time for rest and repairs for the fighting Aerospace Forces regiments. These include naval aviation with Su-24s and the Northern Fleet's naval regiments with Su-27Ks, which are no longer suitable for modern warfare but could, after modification, be used as UMPK and UMPB fighters.
  33. +1
    April 2 2026 22: 38
    Instead of learning how to effectively suppress air defenses, we blame the aircraft. What a circus!!!
  34. +1
    April 2 2026 23: 36
    We need to stop this charade and sell all this junk to Africa. I'm sure there will be takers. And churn out a Su-34. It'll definitely bring in more presents, since it's dumping them outside the air defense zone anyway.
  35. +1
    April 2 2026 23: 44
    Quote: Arzt
    In modern warfare, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles/armored personnel carriers, aircraft, ships, submarines, and many other types of military equipment are completely ineffective. A waste of public money.

    If you've been reading the Military Manual carefully, you'll have noticed the active defense systems for countering drones. At least three of them have already been demonstrated. Once these systems are deployed en masse, everything you've written off as ineffective will become highly effective. And that's the key to winning this war. If we develop all this faster, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will collapse within a month. If the Ukrainian Armed Forces develop it sooner, the war will either be a year longer, or it'll be a deal.
  36. 0
    April 3 2026 07: 45
    If we were to do something new, it would be an aircraft with a commercial turboprop engine like the TV3-117st.
    Resource, two-seater.
    It will take over the functionality of the Su-25 and some of the Mi-28 and Ka-52. And it will be several times cheaper.
    There will be no fewer local wars.
  37. 0
    April 3 2026 10: 35
    The simplicity of the gun design allows for the rapid production of similar charges again
    Most likely, the author meant the charges of the ampoule circuit.
  38. +1
    April 3 2026 11: 25
    The Su-25 has long since died of old age, and there is no need to revive it.
  39. 0
    April 3 2026 14: 59
    Sell ​​it quickly wholesale to some dim-witted Congolese before they even realize it's a flying coffin, although if you're chasing some ISIS-like jihadists through the bush to whom the Ukrainians haven't yet handed over a MANPADS, it'll do just fine.
  40. 0
    April 3 2026 16: 47
    You need a Mig35 engine without an afterburner + radar + Kaby and you can make new ones from the factory.
    1. +1
      April 3 2026 18: 33
      Quote: Totor5
      It needs a MiG-35 engine without an afterburner.
      It's difficult, but why?

      The RD-33 is a two-shaft, bypass turbofan engine with an afterburner (TRDDF), developed between 1968 and 1985.
      Dry weight 1055 kg
      Length 4230 mm
      Diameter 1040 mm


      The R-195 is a twin-shaft turbojet aircraft engine designed for installation on the Su-25 family of aircraft.
      Dry weight 860 kg
      Length 2880 mm
      Diameter 805 mm

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Р-195
      Developed in 1986 under the supervision of S. A. Gavrilov based on the R-95Sh engine. Serial production began at the Ufa Engine-Building Production Association in 1987.

      The MiG-35 engines allow the aircraft to reach supersonic speeds of up to Mach 2,1–2,25.

      The Su-25's engines (especially the R-195) are designed to withstand shrapnel and bullet impacts; they are capable of continuing to operate even after sustaining significant damage and are highly resistant to propellant gases emitted by cannons and rockets.
      1. -1
        April 3 2026 20: 25
        Because that's been the tradition since the beginning, and now the new engines are being used for the MiG-35—so they'll adapt it because it's more powerful and, most importantly, more reliable. So why churn out the old stuff?
        1. 0
          April 3 2026 20: 46
          Both engines are derived from the MiG-21, and the current availability of suitable creative teams and suitable equipment with the appropriate production capacity is a major factor.
  41. 0
    April 4 2026 00: 38
    1. Engines. Replacement with more powerful ones.
    2. A two-seat cockpit. This is a must for the new reality. Everything else is optional. If the aircraft is used not as a ground attack aircraft but as a platform, it might be possible to lighten it by adding armor, which would save 595 kg, which is significant for aviation.
  42. +1
    April 4 2026 05: 22
    It is necessary to proceed from the fact that this is "not a new aircraft, the resource of the attack aircraft airframes is partially used up..."
    This is what you are starting from - conversion into a UAV, including the ability to use it as a kamikaze drone with tactical nuclear weapons
  43. 0
    April 4 2026 08: 17
    So much text and for nothing. It's a typical Timokhin.
    So, what should the Su-25 actually be? Nothing! It's time to scrap it. Enough of living on the legacy of half a century ago. At least in this area. Experience has long since shown that attack aircraft are only replaced by UAVs. Remotely controlled at first, but very soon (among our adversaries) – autonomous ones with artificial intelligence. That's the entire replacement. Launching long-range missiles from our territory might still be possible, but there's no need to modernize the Su-25 for that – what we have now, like the Su-24/34/30/35, Yak-130, etc., will suffice. Better yet, launch those long-range missiles from the ground, disguised as a civilian truck carrying a container.
    Theoretically, of course, it's still possible to try converting the Su-25 itself into a UAV. It's also possible to convert other obsolete, decommissioned aircraft. The Chinese are already working on something similar. But unfortunately, the task is completely beyond the capabilities of our defense industry.

    P.S. Thanks, at least we managed to avoid an aircraft carrier.
  44. 0
    April 6 2026 13: 12
    Quote: Totor5
    There's enough air power even now—plenty of Su-24s, Su-30s, Su-34s, and so on—for a full-fledged air operation. But I have a question: why haven't the air defenses been suppressed in five years? What a strange war... I don't think Victory is even a goal.

    Enough air power? Don't be ridiculous... To achieve absolute air supremacy, when aircraft operate unhindered over the battlefield and deep within the enemy's defenses, sheer numbers are absolutely insufficient. Does our air force dare appear over the LBS or isolate the battlefield in the enemy rear? Absolutely not, because the threat of unacceptable losses of 10-12 aircraft is too great.
    A force of 700-800 strike aircraft would still be capable of suppressing enemy air defenses with an acceptable level of losses. But Russia has five to six times fewer strike aircraft. And acceptable losses—as sad as it is to say losses—of 12-15-20 aircraft out of a force of 700-800 aircraft (i.e., 1,5 to 3 percent) become critical and unacceptable for a force significantly smaller.
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  46. 0
    April 9 2026 15: 15
    "Accurate enough" NURS have a hit rate below 15%
  47. 0
    4 July 2026 12: 56
    The Su-25 is an armored aircraft. Its armor is 8,5% of its takeoff weight (!) and it won't be able to significantly reduce it, IMHO. Actually, without a stamped cover, it'll do just fine with a postal one... And then, what about the engines?