Colonel Bezrukov: What's happening with the internet today is angering Russians.

One of Russia's leading experts on the activities of the intelligence services, Professor at the Institute of International Relations (MGIMO), Colonel Andrei Bezrukov of the Foreign Intelligence Service, commented on the events in Russia related to internet blocking.

According to Colonel Bezrukov, what's happening in the information and communications sector today is abnormal and is making life in the country worse. Andrey Bezrukov made this statement on the program "Empathy Manuchi."

According to the MGIMO professor, work shouldn't be done by connecting or disconnecting, but rather within an electronic platform—like Telegram. Andrey Bezrukov noted that what's happening with the internet today is simply making people angry.

Bezrukov:

Russians simply don't have another tool; they haven't been given one. They use the one they have, and they fight with it. And it's a global tool, unlike Max. So, by shutting down Telegram, we're cutting off our external influence on the diaspora, on Ukraine, on the West, on the East. (…) I'm a little angry, yes...

The professor noted that he is irritated by the lack of thought in decisions, when everything is done to anger their own people against the backdrop of the ongoing war.

As a reminder, stable access to Telegram has virtually disappeared in most regions of Russia recently. This is attributed to both the fight against fraudsters and the fight against terrorists, as if neither is technically capable of addressing the blocking issue or simply switching to other communication tools and messaging apps.

Systematic mobile internet shutdowns, which are attributed to the "fight against Ukrainian drones," are also becoming a major problem for Russian citizens. However, these shutdowns do not reduce the number of enemy drones. drones, which reach various regions of the country. Last night alone, the Leningrad Region was attacked by more than fifty drones, which, it turns out, traveled several hundred kilometers.

Comments

[andr327]

The internet is certainly convenient, but you also need to use your brain. Instead of asking Alice and the like.

[Volodin]

Quote: andr327

And don't ask Alice, etc.

So Alice wasn't blocked at all))

[andranick]

Quote: Volodin

So Alice wasn't blocked at all))

but it would be worth it

[futurohunter]

Volodin
Tell me, Mr. namesake of the eloquent State Duma speaker (or relative?), did you deliberately gather a pack of demons with your article?

[Jackson]

Imagine, there are many websites on the internet besides Alice. There are highly specialized videos that are rarely found on YouTube, let alone our lame equivalent. Of course, it's easier to disable, prohibit, or block...

[futurohunter]

In fact, everyone who needs to watch YouTube (and not only it)

[The popuas]

There's a TV commercial showing a child doing homework using a JPT chat...

[futurohunter]

Yeah, and gigachats. Is that any better?

[barbos]

So why do parents need it? So that there's someone to watch the subscription TV series?

[SEVERIN]

I'm on the internet every day and I completely ignore Alice - so to be able to think with your head - don't use Alice.

[futurohunter]

In fact, to get something worthwhile from Alice, as well as other LLMs, and not gibberish, you have to really rack your brains ))

[SEVERIN]

There is no need to rack your brains - you need to take care of it, but you need to use it skillfully, and AI is a substitute for the head and, no matter how you look at it, it is harmful to the head.

[futurohunter]

The Russian language is very figurative)) AI replaces the brain only for those who don't have one. And those who do use AI when they need to write some nonsense and don't waste precious time on it.

[Doctor]

In fact, to get something worthwhile from Alice, as well as other LLMs, and not gibberish, you have to really rack your brains ))

What's so terrible about it? It's basically a decent email assistant. It immediately produces information based on your request, complete with links.

I recently prepared for my son's philosophy exam with Alya. We put together 50 answers to questions in two days. Two pages per question, plus short biographies. Brief, concise, and clear. Simply AWESOME!
Try to dig this out of their murky textbooks and primary sources.

And then there are just the little things left, just learning the answers. Head short.

[SEVERIN]

Well, if you're in a rush and need to do something quickly, then perhaps it'll do, but in regular practice it's better to think for yourself, especially since there are pieces of information that contradict each other.

[Doctor]

Well, if you're in a rush and need to do something quickly, then perhaps it'll do, but in regular practice it's better to think for yourself, especially since there are pieces of information that contradict each other.

I'm no AI expert, but as far as I can see, it's just an information processor for now. You can dig through Wikipedia, monographs, textbooks, and so on, for example, on Hegel's philosophy, or you can get a quick summary, which is what Alice does.

For me personally, it's simply an advanced browser that doesn't just throw links at you, but actually extracts specific content from them based on your request. The links themselves remain, so you can dig further if you want. It definitely saves time.

But what about the head? If you don't even know who the Epicureans were, for example, what's there to think about? We need a primary information base.

A copes with this with flying colors, IMHO.

[futurohunter]

Let's put it this way... 50% of the time, the AI ​​produces a draft that can be used as a starting point. Or, if someone needs a text document of average quality (not top-notch!!!), that's fine too. Especially if it needs to be done quickly and then uploaded somewhere. But to achieve good quality, you'll need to put your hands and brains to work on that draft.

[barbos]

Especially if it needs to be done quickly and sent somewhere further.

Actually, that's how we live...

[SEVERIN]

Sometimes, of course, you need to be epicurean to clear your head.

[futurohunter]

Therefore, in order to get something useful from a neural network, you need to understand the topic yourself.

[futurohunter]

If you just need to pass exams, then yes. But to understand this philosophy, you'll have to read all those "obscure textbooks." And why are they "obscure"? If that's what you need, they're very useful and interesting. Back in Soviet times, I read a history textbook of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union like a detective story.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

It literally means "Two from the Box".
At first, everyone forgot how to remember (after all, everything is on Google, numbers are in the phone, and so on).
Now they will completely forget how to think.
Only the question will arise why all these philosophers and most of the intelligentsia are needed.
The proletarian will also be replaced by robots in the factory.

And where to put this hungry meat?
That's right, rot in a world war.
This is where the world is headed.

[Doctor]

It literally means "Two from the Box".
At first, everyone forgot how to remember (after all, everything is on Google, numbers are in the phone, and so on).
Now they will completely forget how to think.
Only the question will arise why all these philosophers and most of the intelligentsia are needed.
The proletarian will also be replaced by robots in the factory.

And where to put this hungry meat?
That's right, rot in a world war.
This is where the world is headed.

It's simply a fast search engine and information processor. Like a secretary, only electronic. It can't do everything.

Well, of course, you can go to the original sources and dig around… For example, in Myanmar there's the Kuthodaw Pagoda – the largest marble book in the world. All you have to do is hop on a plane, fly there, and read…

[futurohunter]

What's most interesting is that Alice's servers are in Israel. So much for "national software."

[1944-1989]

I keep hearing that the internet has been shut down in Russia, but there are still a lot of comments here.

Artificial intelligence often makes mistakes when searching for information, mistakes that a human with some prior knowledge would avoid. However, humans take a little longer to search.

[Dedok]

Last night alone, the Leningrad region was attacked by more than fifty drones, which, it turns out,covered several hundred kilometers.

probably about a thousand kilometers...

Recall It's clear that stable access to Telegram has virtually disappeared in most regions of Russia recently. This is attributed to both the fight against fraudsters and the fight against terrorists, as if neither is technically capable of addressing the blocking issue. just switch to other means of communication, messengers.

And how many of these messengers do we have at our disposal?

[futurohunter]

Dedok
probably about a thousand kilometers...

It's about 800 km from St. Petersburg to the border with the 404. Iranian drones can easily fly 2000 km, and that's not the limit. The 404s have claimed 3000 km, and even 5000 km. And that's technically possible. The record for the longest unpowered glider flight is about 5000 km... And here it's with a motor. And where's the guarantee that they won't be launched from Russia or "neighboring countries"?

[S. Viktorovich]

The author is right. When there is no intelligence, "administrative delight" dominates.

[zelivee]

I agree with you and the author. Those who wanted to have already found tools to circumvent the blocking. But why are the authorities angering their own population? It seems like those who decide on blocking and banning begin their day by reading print and TV media.

[Konnick]

Quote: zelivee

It seems that those who make decisions about blocking and banning begin their day by reading print media and TV.

I even guessed who you were talking about.

[Akuzenka]

I even guessed who you were talking about.

I think the problem here is even deeper (meaning below the baseboard): this is being done precisely to provoke outrage, because enemy intelligence agencies and their accomplices have no problem communicating without Telegram and WhatsApp. And "great administrative intellect" has nothing to do with it. What's more, it's a deliberate policy of taking such steps for "good intentions" that only antagonize people.

[Inevitably]

Their "ideal" is the city of Foolov?!

[Wratch]

What paper media? They were already decimated by taxes and distribution cuts. Those who decide to ban them probably don't even know how to read.
Generally, such frantic and stupid decisions are made in a state of panic. Why is the government panicking?
The question is, what is it that the public doesn't need to know? Or, as the unforgettable Papondopolo said, "Are we on the brink of a major disaster?"

[Sergei S]

Quote: zelivee

But why do the authorities anger their own population?

There is a theory that the population is being deliberately pissed off.

[barbos]

It seems that those who make decisions about blocking and banning begin their day by reading print media and TV.

Are print media and TV very different from what is written on the internet?

[futurohunter]

Yeah, and someone gets a bonus for it... Having access "where it's needed"

[Konnick]

Andrey Bezrukov made this statement on the program “Empathy of Manuchi”.

This program used to be on YouTube and had a lot of views, but now it's lost a significant number of viewers due to stupid internet restrictions. And I'm angry too.

[nepunamemuk]

She remained on YouTube.
I'll have to watch it today
I just have no ads 😅
RuTube is deliberately rejecting itself😡
three ads in five minutes
While watching the commercial, I forgot what the video was about 🤣

[Fangaro]

Oh, I'll get criticized for saying such things...
And the colonel, and the professor, and MGIMO and the SVR.

What are you angry about?
You need to go to every election. And complain, in writing, about everything you consider wrong.

[Jackson]

I go. I just don't see any point. All the results are predetermined. Do you want me to tell you which faction will get the most votes in the fall elections? Or are you interested in the results of the presidential elections if they're held soon? The electorate hasn't decided anything for a long time. Don't agree with the results? Try organizing a picket or a speech, and at best it will be banned, and at worst, you'll suddenly find out you're carrying drugs, taking bribes, etc.

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

"If elections mattered, they would be banned." (c) Mark Twain

[papas-57]

"Do you want me to tell you which faction will get the most votes in the fall elections?" What's the point of these elections? It's just window dressing. United Russia has already won; it's a very convenient party for the government. Although in the Duma, all parties are convenient for the government.

[Radio]

You fought for democracy, so you get what you deserve. As for pickets and protests, at least try submitting an application.

[sdivt]

What's happening with the internet today is making Russians angry.

Well, there is a common joke-meme:

- As part of import substitution, the government announced a complete transition from European and American sanctions to domestic ones
Now, on Russian territory, everything will be blocked by our own efforts, based on domestic technologies, without the help of the West.

[Inevitably]

At this point you don't know whether to laugh or cry...

[sdivt]

Quote: Inevitable

I don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore

just smile)
There are enough gloomy people around without us
In such cases, I always remember the unforgettable, "That same Munchausen"

[archiroll]

Formulate a national idea and go ahead - everything will be clear there, both about the Internet and about the war, and there will be a clear plan of action.

[5.11]

He is afraid of it.
It won't be possible to control the Kremlin towers there.
It's better to spend five hours rubbing nonsense into people's heads.
By the way, I still don't understand the goals of the SVO. And you're talking about the national idea.
No, what he voiced is clear, but for some reason they (the goals) are forgotten during negotiations.

[Radio]

Who's afraid? Who and what?

[Yuras_Belarus]

Back then, they confiscated radios, not radios. If you're so pleased with wartime measures, first declare martial law, and then confiscate all internet devices.

[Dedok]

If the enemy is actively using messenger data for their own purposes

?
what:

If the enemy is actively using

And if the enemy actively uses dollars in their settlements, will we also abolish or ban them?
no facts were presented...

[your1970]

Quote: Dedok

If the enemy is actively using messenger data for their own purposes

?
what:
If the enemy is actively using

Don't you know that the recruitment of idiots who burned relay cabinets and set fire to military registration and enlistment offices is done through WhatsApp and Telegram?

[Andrey_5]

Well, recently some scammers called me through Max, should we ban them?
And everyone has a knife in the kitchen, it’s very easy to kill with it, should we ban it?

[your1970]

Quote: Andrey_5

Well, recently some scammers called me through Max, should we ban them?
And everyone has a knife in the kitchen, it’s very easy to kill with it, should we ban it?

Well, if we proceed from your Logically, drivers who run over 15,000 people every year can't be punished - there are 4 million cars in Moscow alone... Like knives in the kitchen...

[sdivt]

Quote: your1970

based on your Logically, drivers who run over 15,000 people every year cannot be punished - there are 4 million cars in Moscow alone

Dear sir, that's exactly it, yours logics!
Punish not the recruiter, but the tool he uses))

recruiting idiots who burned relay cabinets and set fire to military registration and enlistment offices goes through WhatsApp and Telegram

[your1970]

Quote from sdivt

Dear sir, this is exactly your logic!
Punish not the recruiter, but the tool he uses))

You know how? REALLY punish a specific recruiter?

[Jackson]

But then your logic is flawed... Should we ban cars since they're causing problems? Shouldn't we ban them? So maybe we shouldn't ban the entire messaging app, but rather target recruiters? And anyway, if we're going after the idiots burning cabinets, we're starting from the wrong side. In my opinion, our law enforcement agencies lack preventative work in schools. We simply need to showcase #comrades# caught in these situations in schools and in the media. We could also add the drug dealers to the list... Telling them how they're being recruited and what sentences they get. I think that will give many people pause.

[futurohunter]

That's not an argument. Idiots are looking for someone to sell out to. No matter how much you block, they'll still find someone. It's better to figure out a way to stop these "idiots" from appearing.

[Andrey_5]

There is already one "genius" who doesn't know how to use the internet, and the result has already surpassed the Great Patriotic War in terms of time.

[Dedok]

During the Patriotic War, all radio receivers as such were banned.

Remind me how many radio receivers were produced in the USSR by 1941...
By the way, I still have a Philips from 1939.

[coinsam]

By the way, I still have a Philips from 1939.

- a personal gift from the German Ministry of Propaganda? ^-)

[Dedok]

- a personal gift from the German Ministry of Propaganda

My uncle brought it from Germany at one time...

[Gardamir]

By early 1941, there were over 1,3 million terrestrial radio receivers in personal use in the USSR. The total number of radio outlets (including wired broadcasts) was significantly higher, reaching 6 million.

Terrestrial radio receivers: Between 1 and 1,3 million units were in public hands. These included both factory-made models (such as the popular 6N-1 and SVD-9) and homemade devices made by amateur radio enthusiasts.

Surrender Order: With the outbreak of war, on June 25, 1941, the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR ordered citizens to surrender all broadcast receivers to post offices for temporary storage to prevent their use by enemy intelligence.
Wired broadcasting as an alternative: During the war years, practically the only legal source of information for the population were street and indoor loudspeakers (“dishes”) connected to a wired network.

[Dedok]

By the beginning of 1941, more than 1,3 million terrestrial radio receivers were in personal use among citizens of the USSR.

There are doubts about the number - thousands, tens of thousands - given that amateur radio was widespread in the country and was welcomed...
but the receivers made at the factory in such quantities...
Uncle said that not everyone on the plane had a radio - when they were flying in formation, commands were given for specific maneuvers - which everyone understood...
Radio-equipped aircraft were supplied under the Lend-Lease program without exception...

[Gardamir]

Even eyewitnesses can make mistakes, so I don't insist on the exact figures. I just think that a household radio on a table and a radio in a tank or an airplane, where everything is shielded, are fundamentally different devices.

[sifgame]

A radio receiver and a walkie-talkie are two different things. A crystal set can be made literally from radio junk.

[Dedok]

There has been no trade with Ukraine for a long time,

the word "trade" - you have not deciphered...
And don't we pay for transit through the Druzhba oil pipeline?
or is this not trade?

[andranick]

I'm reading your comments, and I can't shake the feeling that you've been watching too many TV talk shows. And yes, the first negative was from me, by the way.

[Volodin]

Quote from monetam

And if martial law is declared, I'm sure that in two days you'll be writing comments from sunny Yerevan.

I'm in my own country and expressing my opinion. If you're already in sunny Yerevan, then don't judge others by yourself.

[Horon]

During the Great Patriotic War, all radio receivers were banned.

I noticed that those who most often speak out with the slogan "for everything domestic" are those who prefer to drive imported cars.

The telegram is a good marker for those who want to continue the terror inside Russia,

It's just a messenger that some use for communication because others have already been blocked, and even Putin once stood up for this one, while others use it as the last remaining platform for conducting propaganda to the international contingent, but since the officials have completely screwed up in this area, they've stuck their tongues in one place and are putting on a good face when things are going badly.

who wants the continuation of terror within Russia, fraud and the continuation of Ukrainian intelligence activities, under seemingly innocent pretexts

Max has also become a platform for scammers, and bans don't stop either terrorists or scammers; they simply find another tool.

By the way, now you can look at all of them - who will start putting "minuses"

Yes, yes, these are indeed "enemies", and not saboteurs hiding their identities under the mask of a patriot.
"A fool forbids, a wise man uses"

and all those who mourn for "convenience and freedom" should be sent to Ukraine.

Well, I haven't noticed you at the front yet either, but as soon as you appear, you can immediately make such statements.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Horon

The telegram is a good marker for those who want to continue the terror inside Russia,

What terror, guys?
They wanted to digitize everyone under the coronavirus-madness program using personal QR codes, but that didn't work, but now it will work through MAX.
Have you all seen the advertisement?
-Passport!
I have MAX!

[Horon]

-Passport!
I have MAX!

There’s nothing to add!

[born007]

Without an official order from an authorized person to block or slow down, all these dances are ILLEGAL
All these news articles cannot have legal force.

[barbos]

Without an official order from an authorized person to block or slow down, all these dances are ILLEGAL

There's a court ruling from 2018. That's one. Second, provide an example of a law that proves the opposite.

[Andrey_5]

I was understanding about blocking until YouTube (I started thinking about it) and Telegram (then I became an opponent of blocking). Our government still hasn't learned from the Soviet experience that blocking is expensive and counterproductive. And blocking makes people feel like they're trash. And that's annoying. I'm not even mentioning the YouTube phenomenon, which can be extremely useful, both for propaganda purposes and for finding unique information that can't be found anywhere else.

[Egoza]

Quote: Andrey_5

about the YouTube phenomenon, which can be extremely useful both for propaganda purposes and for finding unique information that cannot be found anywhere else.

You still have to know how to conduct propaganda. And TALENTEDLY. That's what you need to pay attention to.

[Stas157]

Quote: Andrey_5

I was understanding about blocking before YouTube.

YouTube is a window to the world. A world of endless stories and discoveries. A living encyclopedia of human skills. And now this window has been slammed shut. We've been cut off from the rest of the world. Personally, I felt stifled after that. But some people here even like it! The gatekeepers like everything that's disgusting to normal people.

[futurohunter]

But somehow we've forgotten Lenin's words: "The best defense is a good attack." All these blockades are a defense that will sooner or later be breached. We need an "offensive defense"—educating people so they understand "what is good and what is bad." But how can we educate them if there are so many simply "bad officials"? And try finding a "good judge"? One who would actually defend the people who matter, not drag them out in court for years until the statute of limitations has expired!

[papas-57]

"And lockdowns make people feel like they're being treated like cattle." Look at the faces and behavior of our officials. They considered the people cattle even before the lockdown, and have for a long time.

[barbos]

We need to at least roughly distinguish between blocking access to a specific resource and allowing the internet to function at all. These are two vast differences, which indicate that blocking doesn't make people think at all. It's just a real-life version of Idiocracy.
Now I'll tell you about the blocking situation at some large IT companies, where people actually do what they think. I was surprised myself, but at some software development companies, there are clauses right in the employment contract and in the special section on corporate security that specify which messengers employees can use while working. And there's no Telegram, WhatsApp, or Instagram there. All activity is in dedicated corporate messengers or corporate email. Our large banks have departments where using phones in the workplace is prohibited. Need to make a call? Get off your ass, grab a coffee, and scurry off to the smoking room or outside to chat. And these thoughtful people don't complain about blocking.

[drags33]

All these "games" the leadership is playing with the internet and Telegram aren't just infuriating Russians. They're a genuine act of sabotage against the country's population, causing far greater damage (including monetary losses!) than all the foreign sanctions. The only way to stop all this is by rolling back the situation and harshly punishing those responsible.

[Horon]

Yes, all these "games" of the leadership with the Internet and Telegram do not just irritate Russians.

It's not even the bans that infuriate me, but the constant lies the government uses to discredit itself. They convince me that online payments are a great achievement of the Russian banking system, put all merchants on cash registers, and then with a wave of their hand, shut down the internet and mumble something about protecting me. They claim to fight drug trafficking, but when the walls are splattered with drug-related website ads by underage idiots, the fines are heaped not on the parents of these snot-nosed idiots, but on the owners of the walls. Moreover, even cameras that capture criminals in the act of committing a crime aren't grounds for searching. They bury huge sums of money in the online public transportation tracking system, and then, with a flick of the wrist, it all turns into a pile of useless garbage, even though the cost of maintaining this system has long been included in the ticket prices, and no one is going to clean it up. And so it is with everything.

[barbos]

They convince me that online payments are a great achievement of the Russian banking system, they put all sellers on cash registers, and then with a wave of their hand they cut off the Internet and mumble something about my protection.

Do you think the internet works via Telegram? And was it only through Telegram before?

They're blatantly fighting drug trafficking, but when the walls were splattered with drug-related website ads by underage idiots, the fines fell on the owners of the walls, not the parents of the snot-nosed idiots.

Have you personally, as a parent, tried working with your children? Raising them and setting an example. Why should the government be the only one working to eradicate this evil while you're stuck on Telegram and YouTube?

Moreover, even cameras that record a criminal at the moment of the crime are not a reason to search for him.

As soon as they implement such law enforcement practices (like in many science fiction films), you personally will be the first to come running and slander everyone and everything for it. The government will be bad and useless again.

[Horon]

Do you think the internet works via Telegram? And was it only through Telegram before?

No, I was writing specifically about the internet, and Telegram is just another brick in the wall of the internet and digital technology. Many people don't have internet at all these days—imagine, they only have a surrogate local network with VK, MAX, and government services, and Yandex, too, but that's like a turtle turning into a tank.

Have you personally, as a parent, tried working with your children?

My children don't do that, and I'll get a prison sentence for other people's, so I'll pass.

Why do you think only the state should be involved in eradicating this evil?

Because it's the state's responsibility! If everyone starts making laws and maintaining order on their own, the state will quickly dissolve into anarchy. You'll be the first to cry foul when people start lynching. Although, yes, in our state, for some reason, only criminals have their rights upheld, while everyone else only has their duties.

while you're stuck on Telegram and YouTube?

I'm stuck at work. Telegram is just a communication channel for me... it was. There were others before, but they all turned out to be bad. It's their fault that I'm getting scammed, not the cell phone companies that secretly traded and continue to trade databases, or the banks that periodically lost client databases, or the VK and OK groups that are constantly hacked, and now they've pushed it onto everyone, practically a spy tool that can be used not only by our intelligence agencies but also by anyone with the necessary skills. Lies never lead to anything good, but some people continue to believe they can pull it off.

As soon as such law enforcement practice is established

Who will do it? When? What's the point of all this machinery if no one cares? To give the commoners a sense of security they don't have?

You personally will be the first to come running and throw mud at everyone and everything for this.

I must be protected by the law and the state from illegal activity. If the state doesn't provide this protection, then naturally the majority of people will be dissatisfied, and if you believe that imitation of the law is the norm, then we have nothing to discuss.

Once again the government will be bad and useless.

First, the authorities need to stop lying and treating the population under their control as dumber than themselves, simply because they're so reactive to lies. Wagner's march on Moscow didn't lead to the right conclusions. Having solved the Wagner problem, no one concluded what proportion of the population supported it, which was a clear indicator of support.

[barbos]

The cart is just another brick in the wall of the Internet and digital technologies.

Nothing of the sort. It's simply a slightly more sophisticated messenger, superior in functionality to the good old ICQ, which worked just fine until it was destroyed by Telegram, too.

Many people don't have internet at all these days—imagine, the only thing they have is a surrogate in the form of a local network with VK, MAX, and government services, and there's also Yandex.

You can't see the forest for the trees, and I'm sure you have no idea what the internet is (autonomous systems, which are the building blocks of the internet, and dynamic routing—the cement mortar—mean little to you). Everything you mentioned, except Telegram, is provided by the internal capacity of transit operators, which maintain network connectivity and availability. And your beloved Telegram is somewhere in American data centers. And so, you end up paying American internet companies for Telegram. But for several years, businessman P. Durov has been offered to install a few servers here.

My children don't do that.

This is the sad song that all parents sing until they are confronted with the fact that their innocent little angel is somewhere behind the garages a fiend from hell.

Telegram for me is just a channel for communication..., it was.

These days, you open the app store on your phone and there are so many messaging apps. It's overwhelming. There are also tons of business apps that aren't subject to any blocking. With or without encryption. There's a ton to choose from. But back when you had to go to the telegraph office and request a call to make a long-distance call, people were more approachable and responsive.
So don't lie about connection problems. Lies kill.

Cellular companies that secretly traded and continue to trade databases, and not banks that periodically lost customer databases

Let's distinguish between organizations as a whole and negligent employees who decide to make a buck by accessing data. With some knowledge of the specifics of information security departments at banks and operators, they constantly monitor shadow markets where data is traded and conduct internal investigations based on their findings. I remember catching a colleague doing something similar, and we quietly and peacefully parted ways.

And now they've pushed on everyone a practically spy tool that can be used not only by our intelligence agencies

Read the terms of use of your beloved Telegram, which states that Telegram may disclose data by court order. or as part of the fight against illegal activities (according to paragraphs 1.3 and 8 of the Policies) and the data it openly collects and stores. And how is it different from what they're pushing on Max? Your beloved and adored Telegram, without which you can't live, officially and explicitly states in its policies what it collects and stores:
- Data storage: Telegram stores personal data (phone, contacts, messages) to ensure the operation of the service.
- Data types: Collection includes basic profile data, messages, contacts, technical information (IP-address, device data).
There's also metadata, which is essential for the service to function. If you had even a rudimentary understanding of information security, you'd understand that Telegram collects, stores, and processes more than enough user data. But for some reason, they're focusing on Max, which is even simpler in this regard.

I must be protected by the law and the state from illegal activities.

Do you think the state is some specially selected people who, in exchange for your rather small tax payments by global standards (remember, you, and you personally as an employee, pay an income tax of 18% at best), are supposed to provide you with a heavenly and secure existence? Otherwise, you have no connection to the state at all? You just pay your income tax and that's it?

the majority of people will be dissatisfied

If you're going to speak for everyone, then speak with facts and honestly. Most people are fed up with traffic jams, parking spaces, and the cost of fuel and utilities. Moreover, the first two problems are largely the fault of the citizens themselves.

if you think that imitation of legality is the norm

So, here it is. When I start seeing dog owners walking their pets legally on leashes and wearing muzzles, cleaning up after their four-legged friends, and pouring water (as required by law) into their sanitation tanks, when many of those dissatisfied with this imitation of legality stop smoking on balconies or in building entryways, when they stop abandoning their cars haphazardly right on crosswalks, when they stop racing through red lights as if they're on their last legs, when they stop blaring karaoke all night or drilling nonstop all weekend, when they stop throwing trash wherever they want, and generally cleaning up after themselves, then it won't be a bad idea to raise the issue of this imitation of legality. Because, if you look closely, the ones who are most dissatisfied are the first outlaws, the ones who suddenly have hefty debts on loans, utilities, and their own side income.

Wagner's march on Moscow didn't lead to the right conclusions. Having solved the Wagner problem, no one concluded what portion of the population supported it.

What march on Moscow? Yevgeny Prigozhin was personally seen and recognized in Rostov at the North Caucasus Military District headquarters on Pushkinskaya Street. That very day, a large group of children from the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) was there; they had come to the Rostov circus but ended up in a completely different one.

[Horon]

You can't see the forest for the trees and I'm sure you have no idea

A poor attempt to justify your own illiteracy, or you are brazenly trying to mislead others.

...your favorite Telegram, somewhere in the American data centers.

Totally naive. Where do you get your own servers, software for them, and who do you pay for it? Moreover, in most cases, you can't even say exactly how it all works, since creating everything from scratch is a titanic effort. Again, deceit or stupidity.

This is the sad song that all parents sing until they are confronted with the fact that their innocent little angel is somewhere behind the garages a fiend from hell.

Are you judging this by your own children? You know better than anyone what you raised them to do and why they're hanging around other people's garages during work hours.

And how is it different from what they drive on Max?

Nice try, but another attempt at lying. Do other messengers have direct access to documents? You constantly veer from the topic of mindless, total blocking to Telegram. Did it step on your toes, or were you given this manual?

In your opinion, the state is some specially bred people who, in exchange for your rather small tax payments by global standards (let me remind you that you, and you personally as an employee, pay income tax of 18% at best), are supposed to provide you with a heavenly and secure existence?

Well, really? Then why the hell should I defend this surrogate, quasi-state if my rights are worth nothing to it because I don't pay enough? Why even support these "services" that only take salaries? Should we just go straight to the gangsters, like in the 90s? Yeah, people like you should be kicked out before you destroy the state with your approach! A nightmare.

If you're going to speak for everyone, then speak with facts and honestly.

Did I start? You've already signed for everyone here.

So, here it is. When I start seeing dog owners walking their pets legally on leashes and wearing muzzles, cleaning up after their four-legged friends, and pouring water (as required by law) into their sanitation tanks, when many of those dissatisfied with this imitation of legality stop smoking on balconies or in apartment building entryways, when they stop abandoning their cars haphazardly right on crosswalks, when they stop racing through red lights as if they're on their last legs, when they stop sing karaoke all night or drilling nonstop all weekend, when they stop throwing trash anywhere and generally cleaning up after themselves, then it won't be a sin...

So, never?! Do you think people should start following rules they didn't make up? The "so what?" principle will always exist. People always test the world for reaction, and you want people to become vegetables. For most people, feedback is an indicator of society's reaction or the forces of nature, but you wrote above that the state (read: society) doesn't care about enforcing the laws it itself passed. Bravo! The smoker didn't pass the ban himself, and he doesn't give a damn about everyone else. The dog owner is too lazy to pick up his dog's excrement, and when others (who aren't authorized by the state and have similar rights) demand that he put his dog's excrement away, he's like, "so what?"

What march on Moscow? Yevgeny Prigozhin was personally seen and acknowledged at the North Caucasus Military District headquarters in Rostov, on Pushkinskaya Street.

You are sick!

[Horon]

You are sick!

...Pseudology.

[barbos]

This is a genuine act of sabotage against the country's population, causing far greater damage (including monetary losses!) than all the foreign sanctions...

What exactly does this damage consist of, according to the CIPSO?

[Idle_piston]

The government's blocking of internet portals is primarily due to a sharp decline in trust in these same authorities. Even inflated 79% approval ratings don't help. But the problems run much deeper and more dangerous: the country's leadership categorically refuses to acknowledge its mistakes, much less correct them. And the Anglo-Saxons see and sense this; all they can do is put the next Yeltsin or Gorbachev on the spot at the right moment.

[EvilCommunist]

Proxies have sprung up like mushrooms, everything works.

[Million]

The professor noted that he is irritated by the lack of thought in decisions, when everything is done to anger their own people against the backdrop of the ongoing war.

And maybe someone is trying to achieve this... These are the times we live in.

[Broad flag]

It feels like someone very sane, using the hands (or voices) of idiots with no sense, is persistently tugging at a tiger's tail. The other day, news broke about a ban on drying laundry outside.

[Ross xnumx]

Meanwhile, it turns out that:

Article 29
1. Everyone is guaranteed freedom of thought and speech.
2. Propaganda or agitation that incite social, racial, national or religious hatred and enmity is not allowed. Propagation of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic superiority is prohibited.
3. No one can be forced to express or reject their opinions and beliefs.
4. Everyone has the right to freely seek, receive, transmit, produce and disseminate information by any legal means. The list of information constituting a state secret is determined by federal law.
5. Freedom of the media is guaranteed. Censorship is prohibited.

- just meaningless words?

[Vinnibuh]

That's different! Don't you understand, my dear "ilicorate," they're trying for you! So that evil bourgeois (or maybe partners?) and mousers don't confuse your immature minds. And anyway, everyone, rejoice and watch Channel One, they won't lie there. (Sad joke.)

[man]

Quote: Vinnibuh

And in general, everyone should rejoice and watch Channel 1, they won’t lie there. (Sad joke).

Yeah, and it's even better to watch Channel 2, they never lie there. (Funny joke)

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: ROSS 42

Meanwhile, it turns out that:

Article 29
1. Everyone is guaranteed freedom of thought and speech.
2. Propaganda or agitation that incite social, racial, national or religious hatred and enmity is not allowed. Propagation of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic superiority is prohibited.
3. No one can be forced to express or reject their opinions and beliefs.
4. Everyone has the right to freely seek, receive, transmit, produce and disseminate information by any legal means. The list of information constituting a state secret is determined by federal law.
5. Freedom of the media is guaranteed. Censorship is prohibited.

- just meaningless words?

Why then are sanctions applied to people who condemn their own?

[rocket757]

Habit, intentions and actions, just forbidding everything, is such a thing, unproductive, at a minimum, and at a maximum, harmful, dangerous... that's why the history of different... all sorts of people DOES NOT TEACH ANYTHING.

[faterdom]

Andrei Bezrukov has a clear, unclouded view of things: amidst the same praise for the authorities as now, and stories on TV about how "everything is fine and will get even better" with him and his wife, some... illegal intelligence agent betrayed them to the Americans, putting a child in danger who didn't even suspect anything.
Thankfully, they exchanged me later, otherwise I would have been in jail for life...
So, Bezrukov is quite skeptical of the fact that all our officials and generals are fine fellows and people of the highest moral qualities, rather guessing that we have many traitors, grabbers, or simply abominations there.

[reframing]

Yeah, someone named Bezrukov is a little bit evil, I'll be damned...
But if he's so well-thought-out, if it's the SVR and MGIMO, then he'd tell us what needs to be done. Practical, not just some "inside the electronic platform" nonsense!
Voenoboz is an electronic platform. Or Zen, or Pikabu, or other forums.
And here, every day, tens and hundreds of CIPSO members gather, enjoying anonymity, the fact that their addresses and citizenships are not visible to us.
They slander our country and incite discord, spread fake news, lie, distort history and defame our values.
And they do all this while pretending to be Russian citizens!
The appearance of widespread public discontent is being created. Our enemies' propaganda and agitation on the RuNet is easily and publicly accessible to citizens of all countries!
None of our authorities are saddened by this, are concerned, or are working on it.
They say the State Duma has tried several times to introduce bills on partial deanonymization of the internet. Since 2014! But no progress. Things are still at a standstill.
It couldn't be simpler – to indicate the address of the site from which they're broadcasting next to the name of the author of posts, articles, and comments. And also to tighten controls on website registration. And just look around – it's difficult for Russians to access foreign websites and forums, and impossible to access Ukrainian ones!
It's a one-way street. Even if you manage to gain access to such platforms, any comments you make that are disloyal to the government will be immediately blocked, and you'll be banned. Forever. To register on both Facebook and Instagram, you'll need to actually prove your identity! At any time, you may be asked to provide copies of your actual documents, etc.
Mr. Slightly Evil didn't say anything substantive! Bezrukov's past achievements don't excuse him in any way.
I just checked in, reminded people about myself, and got some hype.
That's all his professorship is. Anyone can do that.
"Great scientist" Bezrukov doesn't understand why Telegram or YouTube are being slowed down. It's not just for fun that the authorities are taking such an unpopular step.
But Bezrukov is too lazy or indifferent to engage in analysis, to look for constructive ideas, to propose concrete measures; it’s easier to simply jump out like a jack-in-the-box, blurt out something “important,” and then go back to the pen.
This won't do, there's no need to be a little angry, it's like being a little pregnant.

[futurohunter]

Here's a purely technical question: how will you ensure "de-anonymization" of users, even on this website? After all, your browser doesn't track geolocation! And even if the site requests it, it's no problem to provide fake coordinates! Believe me, foreign agents can do this easily! Even if you start linking websites to MAX, there are "droppers" there who will connect anyone for a pittance.

[reframing]

I don't know how to do this technically. IP addresses are apparently recorded, a program calculates the coordinates, and assigns the host country's national flag to the commentator.
Judging by how it is done everywhere, it is not difficult.
Ukrainians This started happening back during the Orange Revolution on the websites Left Bank, Correspondent, and Censor. Those were the sites with the most vibrant forums.
Echo of Moscow, Vedomosti, and Slon.ru had similar scenarios. But these were themselves anti-Russian and simply consisted of immediate blocking of those who were objectionable, both at the moderator level and via these very IP addresses. Those who tried to consolidate fake registrations were permanently blocked.
And no one whined that "we're not like that", "democracy", "freedom of speech", etc.
Here is the author of the article, such a smart guy, let him tell you how to do it.

[futurohunter]

Did you know that your IP address is only fixed if you stay in one place all the time and purchase that specific fixed IP address? And if your ISP does something, that IP address will quickly change? The binding is done through cookies that the website leaves on your device. But a tech-savvy user can easily change these cookies. Users checked all these boxes themselves. And moderation wasn't automatic, but manual, based on user input.
Website administrators can require registration using a unique ID that is clearly linked to a user. For example, using their mobile number, Sber ID, VK ID, or even their MAX ID. However, the mobile number can be changed, and all other methods involve disclosing the user's personal data, requiring the website owner to comply with certain laws, making them liable for violations, and connecting the website to certain external authentication services. I'm not sure the website owners would be willing to incur such a cost. They're already doing well.

[reframing]

Hehe, dear sir, you don't have the information.
I've been in this field for over 20 years! I'm not technically savvy, a C-minus to be exact.
But I know exactly who put the flags on whom. Without this fantasy of yours.
Deanonymization is technically simple and publicly available. Ask the North Koreans, the CIA, or I. Musk.
Most corporate users, businesses, banks, defense industry, government agencies, and security forces suffer from it. Are you writing about APCHOM? I don't get it.
And the site owners will do whatever they're told. It's wartime. This is no laughing matter!
As an argument, if you don’t believe me, turn on a VPN and go to Gosuslugi!
You'll be banned immediately.
To start with, for a week or a couple of days.
Restricting access to individual ETL users is easier than with rare Pepa.

[futurohunter]

You and I weren't drinking together, so we're on familiar terms. It speaks volumes about culture and upbringing. The internet is a bit more complicated than an old rotary dial phone. Learn the TCP/IP protocols and client-server architecture first, and then teach others. Only C- and D-students like you are easily de-anonymized. Even the intelligence agencies won't always spot a savvy person.
VPNs are not all the same. Gosuslugi has its own VPN. And different VPNs don't play nice with each other. I'm not going to teach an illiterate person for free. You'll learn it when you need to. And while you're at it, take a course in politeness and general culture. Hasta la vista... baby.

[reframing]

Dear Sir, I don't care whether it's you or you, because it doesn't affect the ESSENCE of the dispute!
And this just speaks in my favor on the topic.
Why? Because anonymity allows users to be whoever they want!
I can be a thief, and you a murderer, for example.
So why on earth should I call Someone There - It's Unknown Who - Aunt or Uncle - Schoolboy - AI formally?!
Agree that this is logical.
I've already expressed my opinion on the topic. No need for emotions or computer literacy show-offs.
I'm no techie, but I know the subject of deanonymization from the INSIDE, as I've worked and continue to work in, so to speak, the online propaganda and agitation system. And I've succeeded quite well in this area.
I even sued some of the Russian websites I mentioned, like EM and Vedomosti. I also sued the editors, moderators, and technical support.
I know for sure that deanonymization, complete or partial, but sufficient to manage the General Ideology of an Internet resource, is a completely common thing.
What you're saying concerns specific cases of particular importance and significance to national security. It requires significant professional expertise, equipment, software, and money.
And I'm talking about the mass infiltration of unwanted foreign elements into Russian forums, mps-segments, and platforms. Massive—tens of thousands!
This is DIFFERENT, but very important.
To judge, you first need to understand the topic, VPP guy.
That's right - "baby" indeed. You're also an amazing linguist!)
Sayonara, baby. Don't cough.

[futurohunter]

In any adult society, there are cultural norms. In modern Russian society, these include using the formal "vy" (formal form of address) and respecting one another. Knowledge of the Russian literary language is also important. If a person doesn't adhere to these norms, doesn't respect others, and behaves like a drunken slum dweller, no one cares about their opinion.
And if he also boasts about his illiteracy, it only evokes pity.
And everything written below doesn't inspire any credibility. Drunkards on a bench between two glasses of the cheapest bootleg booze also boast about their past "achievements." And only mentally ill people talk about "mass infiltration" by aliens.
Work to combat "foreign elements" is being carried out by competent professionals, using various methods, and without unnecessary fanfare. Among these "foreign" elements, there are many who are "more patriotic than Putin himself." Judging by your bull-in-a-china-shop behavior, you fall into this category.
Any further writing from you is no more significant than the noise of drunks on the street at night. Don't reply anymore. It's uninteresting and will go unnoticed.

[futurohunter]

Yeah, the one who writes comments and has descended to foul language is looking for "mistakes." So go ahead and write these comments to yourself... I discovered this comment by accident... I won't find it again.

[barbos]

Here's a purely technical question: how will you ensure "deanonymization" of users, at least on this site?

We analyze the server logs. They always contain the address being requested, as well as your browser type and version (the same User Agent).

After all, your browser doesn’t track geolocation!

We're slightly expanding the site's functionality and adding JavaScript code to the page that will ping specific servers, using which data can be used to identify you.

so there are no problems with giving him fake coordinates!

Commands are added to the website's code that easily and simply retrieve your computer's network name (hostname), local IP address, default gateway address, monitor size, language layout settings, hardware parameters, and whether you're running a virtual machine. A ton of other data about you and your computer can also be pulled in. This isn't just science fiction, but part of a 15-year-old scandal in which Facebook was caught collecting data for its analytics and for sale to advertisers and marketers. They also saved draft messages that users typed and then deleted.

[futurohunter]

Everything you're writing will work with technically illiterate people. But, for example, even if I log in via Tor and VPN, your browser fingerprint won't work... unless, of course, I make some careless moves. If, of course, JavaScript is enabled and the default settings are used, then yes, it's easy to track. But if the user is even slightly technically literate and needs encryption, it won't be easy to track them. For intelligence agencies, it's entirely possible, if they collect information about them over time. But they're unlikely to load a site like the one we're writing on with such functionality. The comparison with Facebook isn't entirely fair—they have significantly larger budgets than the owners of similar sites.

[barbos]

But, for example, even if I log in via Tor + VPN, your browser fingerprint won't work anymore... unless, of course, I make any careless moves.

Naive. I remember when I was working with a company that protected online payments (anti-fraud), these problems were solved even with their meager resources compared to the state's. This was right during the COVID-19 era, when people were buying up video cards for mining and there was no sign of AI advancement.

But if the user is even slightly technically literate and needs to encrypt, then it won't be easy to "track" them down.

A typical survivorship bias. For the past 15 years, literate and well-thought-out developers haven't bothered with encryption, but rather "make dodgy textures" and try to blend in. For everyone else, proven algorithms have been around for decades.

But it is unlikely that they will load a site similar to the one we write on with such functionality.

Until proven otherwise by an independent audit.

The comparison with Facebook isn't entirely fair - its budgets are orders of magnitude larger.

Much of what was affordable to IT giants 10-15 years ago can now be found for free or done with a minimal budget.

[Stas157]

In Russia, we somehow easily survived the YouTube shutdown, and before that, Instagram, WhatsApp, Viber, Facebook, Twitter... And Telegram will survive too. They're not going anywhere! And Telegram won't be the last thing to be shut down. We have a patient people. Everything is fine. Never before has life been as good as under Putin! Isn't that right?

[futurohunter]

People here have long since found alternatives to Telegram and WhatsApp. One of them is MAX. I won't write about the others – just go online. Rutracker was blocked many years ago – "for those who need it," everyone goes there. And LinkedIn, too. People go to YouTube, too. The internet hasn't been "free" anywhere for a long time. And what does the aforementioned character have to do with this? Incidentally, such a phrase betrays the typical foreign agent. It's a cliché, and it's already repulsive. Telegram and YouTube aren't my biggest concerns in life.

[reframing]

100%
Mr. Comrade author has children in Canada, Canadian citizens.
This means he wants to communicate with them.
I'm used to Telegram and WhatsApp. That's where the anger comes from.
I am not at all against our fellow citizens or other relatives living abroad.
This is life.
But this is hardly a sufficient reason to lecture the State on how to conduct business, especially in wartime conditions.
This smells so bad!

[futurohunter]

Absolutely! Everyone is free to install any software on their devices, as long as it doesn't pose a danger to others. Likewise, the communications infrastructure has the right to block any part of the communications traffic on its network.

[barbos]

Absolutely! Everyone is free to install any software on their devices, as long as it doesn't pose a danger to others.

But he is also obliged to answer before the law if this software has caused or is causing harm, isn’t it?

[futurohunter]

If it caused harm, definitely! But prohibiting it is difficult, technically almost impossible.

[barbos]

But it is difficult to prohibit installation, technically almost impossible.

I just recently tried installing a trial version of the program. Screw it! It's practically impossible to install and then remove it from your computer.

[snow mountain]

Quote: Stas157

Never before has a person lived as well as under Putin! Isn't that true?

Life has become better, life has become happier!

[futurohunter]

Yes, I've picked up a new hobby. It's quite entertaining. Incidentally, it really improves my brain and computer skills.

[Personal opinion]

Internet blocking...
It's probably just a coincidence that our only real ally that has provided direct assistance is North Korea.

[Gardamir]

There are simply no others, and Korea has nowhere to go.

[man]

Quote: Gardamir

There are simply no others, and Korea has nowhere to go.

But for some reason they are afraid of North Korean nuclear weapons, but not ours. A rhetorical question ...

[snow mountain]

But for some reason they are afraid of North Korean nuclear weapons, but not ours.

The issue here is not nuclear weapons, but the will to use them.

[man]

Quote: Schneeberg

But for some reason they are afraid of North Korean nuclear weapons, but not ours.

The issue here is not nuclear weapons, but the will to use them.

Yes, I understand... that's why I called the question rhetorical.

[Sergey Novikov_3]

If only there was internet! Utility prices are going through the roof! And this is during a war! Oh, right, Russia isn't at war... During WWII, there were no utility bills at all. Now, energy companies are ready to take their unjustified debts to court, literally forcing people to starve... And this is in a country that supplies energy! I feel like 17 is just around the corner.

[futurohunter]

I don't know about utility bills during WWII, but higher education was paid for back then. And there were so many other interesting things... And learn Russian; you can smell a foreign agent a mile away...

[vladcub]

Comrades, I've been around for a while now. I can read, which means I can think. And I'm irritated by the simple "blah, BLAH!" I want something real, but I don't want to scream, "Boss, it's all over. The cast's coming off tomorrow."
After the shouts of "Boss, everything's gone," I had two desires: to get blind drunk and hang myself, but United Russia won't live to see that. I also planned a runny nose at their funeral!

[Vadim Golubkov]

We're losing out on being banned. Yesterday, I enjoyed watching bloggers traveling around Russia on YouTube, but I can't tell Russians to go to Turkey, and we have a huge, wonderful country.

[Radio]

It's a matter of taste, but the current internet doesn't bother me. And there are no concerned people among my family or friends. Even my grandson is happy with everything.

[Alexander]

Bezrukov is a very smart man! They don't keep fools in the SVR!