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Making a bad movie is like spitting into eternity.

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The other day I read a devastating article dedicated to the German film "Our Mothers, Our Fathers". He watched the film, the impression is purely positive. In Germany itself, the film was called the event of the year, an artistic breakthrough and blah blah blah. In countries affected by fascism (Poland, Russia), this movie is not understood. And no wonder. In my humble opinion, Germans should generally avoid this topic. Try to give drama and some ambiguity to the data historical events are not worth it. All these attempts are doomed to failure and misunderstanding on the part of other participants in the Second World War. In the 80s, a case occurred in the Soviet Union, high school students found a German uniform from the Second World War, dressed it and went around the village, a guard saw them and died. Such a memory remained in the hearts of the Slavs about the soldiers of the Wehrmacht.


Making a bad movie is like spitting into eternity.


Now about what was positive in this film. The strength is the study of the characters, their dialogues and how they perceive the war in its initial period and in the end. By the end of the story, they become different people. At the center of the story are two brothers, one of whom started the war with an ideological, competent officer, and ended up in a penal battalion as a deserter. The second arrived at the front as a pacifist and an outcast, and in the end became a very good soldier, calmly accepting everything that war brings, even his own death.

The Soviet wars are shown by stubborn, brave fighters, of course, there is an episode with a hospital where German wounded soldiers are shot and they try to rape a nurse, but this is literally two minutes from a three-part film. In my opinion, in general, this picture does not spoil. I would like to note that, for example, in the American film epopee “Brothers arms"The Soviet Union was remembered only in one of the last dialogues, the essence of which was that in Russia there was nothing to do." And this, removed our former allies. You can also mention the film “The Challenge”, where throughout the film the Jewish partisans fought against the Germans. And the Soviet army is represented by a red-faced half-drunk commissar, an anti-Semite. The Poles got more, the Polish partisans are more likely to dislike and sympathize with the soldiers of the Wehrmacht more than these freedom fighters. So the claims of Poland to the creators of this project are absolutely justified.

In conclusion, I would like to note the main thing about this film: first of all, this is a product for Europeans, for their TV channels, producers need to sell it and make money on it. And it is clear that if the Germans are portrayed as finished fanatics and fascists, then this film will not be in demand, it will not be massive. Yes, the film is false, but the laws of the market are more important, and if you want to sell something, then you must create a product that people want to consume. That's all. You can say as much as you like and how it happened, but each time we will find ourselves in the position of the Pug that barks at the elephant. And here lies the main paradox, in Russia there is a huge need for good, patriotic cinema. But instead we get countless base serials on the theme of the Great Patriotic War. Of course, we can note a number of projects that pleasantly surprised, for example, “Brest Fortress” and “White Tiger”, but they definitely do not reach the level of “Saving Private Ryan”. And if the Russian public accepted the Belarusian film, the film of Karen Shakhnazarov at the box office failed. First of all, because of the delusional plot, behind which the viewer did not make out a very powerful subtext. The plot is based on the confrontation between the Soviet tanker and the German tank a ghost, literally. Such are our superheroes. Hollywood nervously smokes, this is not a confrontation between Captain America and the Red Skull.

For me personally, the driver Naidenov - the personification of the entire Soviet people. There is an episode in the film when he is asked to tell his relatives that he is alive, he refuses and says that the dead cannot be where the living are. In fact, Naidenov sacrifices his past for the sake of victory over his opponent. And this is what all Soviet people did, their war was reborn, and they gave up everything personal for the sake of victory, one for all.

But most importantly, "White Tiger" is the most authentic film about the war to date. It really surprised me and pleased. If we see a tank on the screen, then it is a tank of the corresponding epoch, and not a 2 BMP with welded metal sheets, as in the film “We are from the future.” The creators worked very well with the details, not only the T-34-85 flaunt the frame, but the BT, General Lee, Sherman, T-4 tanks were also noticed.
Today, the cinema is striving to be shot as cheaply as possible and this is immediately obvious, it’s good if we are shown a decent trench, but not in one movie I haven’t seen a full-fledged defense system from at least two trenches. We are shown the endless cabinets of evil Smershavians who spread rot around everyone.
The Soviet Union won a simply titanic victory, sacrificing huge masses of people, and at the exit we get pictures of the “We are from the future”, “Fog”, “In June 41”, “Last armored train” levels.

I OFFER TOP-LIST FILMS ABOUT WAR WITH LITTLE COMMENTS

1 “ON WAR AS ON WAR”. First of all, I liked camera work and dialogues. Everything in the film looks natural and nothing annoying. The black and white image only emphasizes credibility, and the characters are very clear.
2 “LIBERATION” is a very large-scale movie. The first film shows the strategy of warfare. The film is not overloaded with ideology.
3 “LIVING AND DEAD” is a powerful film. Well conveys the spirit of the era. The main character is not very cute to me, but what is happening around the main character is very natural.
4 “CHRISTMAS” The film is not about the Second World War, but emotionally a very strong movie. In no other film, I had more respect for the soldiers. After viewing it is ready to kill Chechens with bare hands.
5 “SALVATION OF THE RADA RYAN” is a very good film, but the drama just gushes over the edge. The film keeps the battle scenes, very good sound in the film. The plot itself is delusional. Although maybe I grew up in the wrong country?
6 “IN AUGUST 44” is a great movie about exploration. For the stage at the edge of the forest would give the main character OSCAR. Not a very entertaining movie, but very tense.
7 “BREST FORTRESS” - the film was astonished by the fact that they did not pour any slop on our history. Good movie, but the story is crumpled. There is a lack of panoramic scenes. The plot is weak.
8 “STRAFBAT” - this film could become the best film about the war only thanks to the ACTORS GAME. Everything else is so cheap film that you immediately realize that you are watching a series. It is not clear why Serebryakov did it all.
IN CONCLUSION I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THE TWO DOCUMENTARY PROJECTS:
9 “GREAT WAR” is the best project dedicated to this subject. Very grateful to Channel One. THANK!
10 “LIBERATORS” well, on a solid “4”.

* Headline "Making a bad film is like spitting on eternity" - the statement belongs to the great actress Faina Ranevskaya
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  1. vadimus
    vadimus 15 May 2013 07: 59 New
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    Previously, entire generations were brought up on war films. So it is necessary to continue this tradition. And do not spare money for it.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 15 May 2013 08: 04 New
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      “AUGUST 44” - great movie about intelligence.

      The author immediately shows which side he is on. stop And your ability to analyze.
      1. ultra
        ultra 15 May 2013 11: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        The author immediately shows which side he is on.

        I think he still wanted to write about counterintelligence, although I could be wrong! hi
      2. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 15 May 2013 22: 26 New
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        Thank you, Nikolai, I didn’t notice the main thing.
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 15 May 2013 08: 05 New
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      Soviet wars are shown by stubborn, courageous fighters, of course, there is an episode with a hospital where German wounded soldiers are shot and trying to rape a nurse, but this is literally two minutes from a three-part film. In my opinion, in general, this does not spoil the picture.

      Yes Yes.
      "Just think of one dung fly in a soup.
      The soup itself is rich and tasty!
      Eat dear guests! "
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 15 May 2013 08: 29 New
        +2
        And you close your eyes ... bully
        And so the soup is good, naporist wassat
        Well, more manyazika hi
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 15 May 2013 08: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: ImPerts
          And you close your eyes ... bully
          And so the soup is good, wassat naporist
          Well, more manyazika hi

          Type "people picks" fellow
      2. alexng
        alexng 15 May 2013 09: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: GreatRussia
        Yes Yes.
        "Just think of one dung fly in a soup.
        The soup itself is rich and tasty!
        Eat dear guests! "


        Well, it's like in modern life: people in prisons are supported by the state, and children in kindergartens and schools eat at the expense of their parents - well, isn’t it charming?
        And so everything is fine marquise.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 15 May 2013 11: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: alexneg
          Well, it's like in modern life: people in prisons are supported by the state, and children in kindergartens and schools eat at the expense of their parents - well, isn’t it charming?

          By the way, the topic is very interesting. The cost of maintaining a prisoner is about 1200 rubles a day for the state. This includes the costs of both the prisoner and the maintenance of the colony’s infrastructure (utility bills, repairs, etc.).
          Moreover, prisoners can only work if they wish.
    3. fortunophile
      fortunophile 15 May 2013 08: 35 New
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      Quote: vadimus
      Previously, entire generations were brought up on war films. So it is necessary to continue this tradition. And do not spare money for it.

      Previously, there was a good state base of equipment, inventory and military uniform and clothing of different eras at all major film studios (also state-owned), and therefore there were no scouts in funny yellow-blue camouflage and 1-2 motorcycles, 2 trucks and a plywood armored car throughout the film (series) and 10-12 soldiers in uniform (type). For me, the height of the lack of professionalism of the production designer of the film "Apostle" is BMW on CAST DISKS !!! What is it like?
      So all this equipment, inventory and uniform in the dashing 90s was privatized for a penny and stolen from private collections, so we have what we have.
      By the way, the film "We are from the Future" is not bad in my opinion as educational, but one scene at the end when one of the heroes cuts a tattoo with a swastika from the skin with glass is worth a lot. hi
      And in objection to the author of the article, I personally do not care if Sherman is shown in the frame (usually 4-10 seconds) or scalded with BMP sheets, but when 1 tank goes to attack a battalion type and 10-15 soldiers are running and around 5-6 explosions with sparks and bouncing fighters it somehow looks like a cheap imitation. Look at the chronicle there are no such "jumpers". Of the last Hochma, I would like to remind the series "On the wings of others", that's where the "spreading cranberries" wassat
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 15 May 2013 08: 46 New
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        Quote: fortuneophile
        Previously, there was a good state base of equipment, inventory and uniforms at all major film studios ...


        And even earlier, the creation of war cinema MANDATORY included consultants, historians, and MILITARY CONSULTANTS whose task was not to miss the spreading cranberries.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 15 May 2013 11: 04 New
          +8
          Quote: Hudo
          And even earlier, the creation of war cinema MANDATORY included consultants, historians, and MILITARY CONSULTANTS whose task was not to miss the spreading cranberries.

          I remembered. When filming "17 Moments" 1 of the consultants, Lioznova was an unobtrusive man of a characteristic Caucasian appearance. He intervened a little. Well, they didn’t take him very seriously. But once during the filming of the episode “Hitler’s meeting,” he said loudly, but calmly and with a characteristic accent, “Not good! They were gentlemen. Women were admitted forward!” Already later, Lioznova learned that this as a customer had been working as a German throughout the war. In Germany.
        2. Drosselmeyer
          Drosselmeyer 15 May 2013 13: 43 New
          +7
          Come on. Previously, there were also plywood "Tigers" and the Germans were running in the trenches along the trenches and post-war anti-aircraft guns, etc. But all this was overshadowed by excellent scripts, directorial exactingness and a wonderful play of actors.
          And now, read on the Internet how the shooting takes place. Gave a leaflet with dialogs and spin the actor as you want. And the actors are completely mediocrity-godmother of directors. There is no need to talk about the delusional nature of modern scenarios.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 15 May 2013 16: 24 New
            +5
            Quote: Drosselmeyer
            There is no need to talk about the delirium of modern scenarios


            How so! I watched not so long ago one of such paramilitary shit TV shows! About the scouts of the Red Army, like. The reconnaissance group commander - like “cool” and “experienced”, “seen everything” (according to the script), but with a plump child’s face and saggy belly, like a baby doll on a jar of baby food. In appearance, it can be determined at once that this clown will die after running 100m with a probability of 100%, and the crossbar is worse for him than being shot. The group consists of a pair of head lice-carrying characters who are not shorn to outrageousness, who hold weapons like garden tools and move like cuttlefish, as well as two girls who are just painted from the beauty salon as .... For complete Hollywood, composed Group only the African-American and the passive gay with piercings are missing. But in the credits it is indicated that the "creative producer" (c) is part of the film crew.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 15 May 2013 08: 50 New
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        “Liberation” is a very strong film. And I would also note the film “The Fate of Man”, where Sergey Bondarchuk brilliantly played. Yes, and "Soldier's Father" is noteworthy.
        1. yak69
          yak69 15 May 2013 09: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: xetai9977
          I’d also like to mention the film “The Fate of Man”,

          To this we must definitely add the films - “Ascension” by L. Shepitko, “Go and Watch” by E. Klimov, and of course “17 Moments of Spring”.
          About the details in the movie. The truth of life, this is the BASIC condition for creating a picture in Soviet cinema! The directors worked in the archives and worked out every detail: the interior, clothes, etc. To everyone! Professional consultants are also a prerequisite. And what they do now is not even fake, it’s just “bullshit” (you can't call it anything else).
          Yesterday, in Yandex, I watched a video on My Kemerovo TV channel, where a correspondent conducts a survey among young people in Zhukov Park. Someone considers Zhukov a writer, others do not know him at all !! The video was deleted from the network. Why? This shame must be shown! Well, I understand, the Fursen, the Lebanese are doing their job in the miniseries, BUT at home then, should parents teach their children or not ?!
          It turns out that this is not the fault of the children, but the fault of their parents, de bil!
          Annoyingly.
        2. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 15 May 2013 21: 45 New
          +2
          as well as the “Chronicle of a diving bomber” and “Places are quiet” and “Torpedo bombers”
          1. yak69
            yak69 15 May 2013 21: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: sso-250659
            "The places are quiet."

            Maybe you mean "And the dawns here are quiet"?
            Also a great movie.
            hi
      3. smoker
        smoker 15 May 2013 09: 06 New
        +5
        I would not call a good technical base, of course, BMW casting is too much, but as you look in films of the Soviet Union, T-44 hordes stylized as tigers, or as in the blockade film when defending the Luga border in 41g. IS-3s are participating, also grinning to themselves. Although I watch good films with pleasure and pride. And in terms of criticism of modern war films, I’ll say that they are filmed by a modern young audience, well, films from the times of the USSR do not cling to today's youth, and you can’t do anything about it, even if you cultivate patriotism in them and arouse interest in the history of your country and history of his people ...
        1. adg76
          adg76 15 May 2013 10: 43 New
          +5
          Those who are versed in technology are not many. Therefore, the T-44 is quite appropriate under the guise of T-34-85 or crafts under the tigers. After all, collecting the Nth number of tigers for filming is very difficult. Almost impossible. Then it is no coincidence that they show in Soviet films about the war, for example, removing the plot of 1941, the technique of the end of the war. When the battery is dead against the so-called T-4 end of the war and the tigers, then for the viewer it looks more impressive. Long-barreled cannons and all that ..... This is a feature film. The main thing is for the film to achieve its goal. And the goal should be one. On the example of the exploits of our fathers and grandfathers, to educate young people patriotically. And if a young boy climbed up after a movie to read articles about tanks, to look for differences in models (not for the game "world of tanks), then this is only a plus for the creator of the film. In my opinion, a feature film about the war is shot not for those who fought, but for everyone else.
          1. avia12005
            avia12005 15 May 2013 10: 50 New
            +2
            yes, absolutely right!
          2. pensioner
            pensioner 15 May 2013 11: 10 New
            +4
            Quote: adg76
            In my opinion, the feature film about the war is shot not for those who fought, but for everyone else.

            A.German recalled that his father Yu.German in 42g. wrote a play about submariners and put it in the theater in Murmansk. The main audience is naval. Well, they did not go to her. They didn’t want to. And on “Romeo and Juliet,” they broke. And cried. Here is a paradox of perception.
          3. nnz226
            nnz226 16 May 2013 00: 27 New
            0
            By the way, in the 60 years there was a film “At Your Threshold” about the defense of Moscow (the anti-aircraft gun protects the road) there was clearly shown the T-4. And about technology: and in addition to good films about the war, I advise you to watch the Belarusian film "Dnieper Boundary" about the defense of Mogilev. So there both T-3 and T-4 and Ganomags are real (or perfectly "disguised") up to the point that a German tank is walking on the field, pounding from a cannon, and throws out spent cartridges through a hatch on the side of the tower, as it was in real life. And Soviet armored cars such as Ba-27 (or similar ones) drive around. The only thing that spoils the film is that it liberates the liberals about the "atrocities of the NKVD", where General Romanov, the hero of defense of Mogilev, is initially muzzled. As far as I know, there wasn’t one in real life during the war.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 15 May 2013 11: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: smoker
          And in terms of criticism of modern war films, I’ll say that they are shot under a modern young audience, well, films from the times of the USSR do not cling to today's youth, and there’s nothing you can do about it

          I wouldn’t say that. Cling, and how. Only now they are practically not shown. Who will remember “Two Years Over the Abyss”, “I Am a Birch”, the same “Thirst” and many others where wonderful actors play. They just try to show them only on holidays, and even later (at 22-23 hours, as they did in Ukraine) and give prime time to different shows. I wish the show was shown at 23 o’clock, and not films about the war. See what the result would be.
        3. tomket
          tomket 15 May 2013 12: 42 New
          +1
          well, and in Ryan it’s by no means a real tiger, although it is covered with cimmirite, if you take a closer look at the skating rinks and layout, the tower is in front and not in the middle of the hull as expected. In general, the 41 technique of the year would not have produced a special impression in the frame, it was too small in size.
          1. smoker
            smoker 15 May 2013 19: 13 New
            +2
            that is, that is - the equipment is too small, the KV-2 among all this sheluponi would have looked monumental smile
      4. xetai9977
        xetai9977 15 May 2013 13: 11 New
        +3
        There are films that play a huge role in shaping the moral character of the teenage generation, and there are also “samples” that are forgotten the very next day. Previously, everyone wanted to be scouts, officers, astronauts. In many ways, this was due to the high-level level of the cinema of that time. Most of them contemporary films, although full of different tricks, are devoid of any meaning.
    4. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 15 May 2013 09: 22 New
      +7
      wonderful film about the war "Go and See"
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 15 May 2013 09: 28 New
        +9
        At one of the discussions of the film, an elderly German stood up and said: “I am a Wehrmacht soldier. Moreover, an Wehrmacht officer. I went all over Poland, Belarus, reached Ukraine. I testify: everything told in this film is true. And the worst and embarrassing thing for me is that this film will be seen by my children and grandchildren ”
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 15 May 2013 11: 46 New
        +8
        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        wonderful film about the war "Go and See"

        And really scary. Klimov. What else can you say. By the way. I remembered. E. Klimov with "Go and See" traveled to America. And on one of the TV shows, Stallone pinned down on him. It was he who in the film played a Rambo in Afghanistan. What nonsense was he carrying !! Like my film deepens friendship between nations, peace, etc. .. Klimov with his grin looked at him as an idiot. He asked him: “Have you ever seen Soviet soldiers near? Do you know what they are?” And when he received a natural answer, he added: “Well, did you take a .-. I haven’t seen any Americans - and I’m not making anything about them. You need to make a movie about what you know.” Stallone I remember was ready to fall through the ground.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 15 May 2013 18: 28 New
          +3
          really want to read about this dialogue СTallone and Klimov .. (I will be grateful for the proof)
          in general, he is the champion among men in the Golden Raspberry nominations (cinema prize) Stallone was four times awarded and nine more times nominated for the worst male role. For Rambo-2 he was nominated in two categories at once for the worst male role and for the worst directing. according to the same grid is considered the worst actor of the 20th century)
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 15 May 2013 18: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Gleb
            I really want to read about this dialogue between Stallone and Klimov .. (I will be grateful for the proof)

            Specifically, where to find - I will not say. Almost 30 years have passed. But. Klimov then traveled to America with Posner. Posner was very popular there. Maybe this will help ... And (maybe) it was in the program of F. Donahue. Well, in general, and all the source data.
          2. nnz226
            nnz226 16 May 2013 00: 34 New
            0
            Well, "Remba" is that! If the first series, not knowing the realities of the Americans, you can still look like an action movie, then the rest is Hollywood. Especially an episode from the film about the release of American prisoners of war in Vietnam. There, Ramba drags the prisoner on himself across the rice field (without falling into the mud !!!), the Vietnamese hit him from the 120-mm mortars, the mine (120 mm !!!) explodes at a distance of 2-meters from Rimba and he runs, as if nothing had happened! Harness !!! Americans, to know, have never been under mortar fire. With the explosion of 120-mm mines at such a distance from the hero, at best, only slippers would remain, and the carcass would be a classic colander !!!
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 15 May 2013 21: 00 New
      +3
      I agree ! For us born and living in the USSR, most of our lives are easier, we are brought up with these films. We all practically revised the film "Chapaev" once in a hundred, dragged it into quotes, such as: "But these are cheeks!", Or "You're lying, you won’t take it!", Soviet-made "Brest Fortress" and "Star", the first Soviet the series “Calling fire on ourselves”, which is also spread over quotes, such as “Ah, Morozov!”, and many other great films about the war, but there were also a huge number of films about wartime or films in which the war goes as if overs. I think the films “Father of a Soldier”, “Native Blood”, “The House I Live in”, “Volunteers” can easily be put on a par with military films. From the list of films proposed by the author of the article, I would exclude “Shtrafbat”, “Liberators”, and include, as the best documentary, the series shot by the Americans together with the studio “Documentary Cinema” by Roman Carmen in the seventies - “Unknown War”. By the way, this film can be reminded of those who are now trying to belittle the role of the Red Army in the Victory over fascism, that, they say, look, you shot the Americans, yours, one of the best actors is leading the film - Bert Lancaster. One more thing . Why was there a different attitude to service in the army and navy in Soviet times? Yes, because - the propaganda of the service began from the school bench (the game "Zarnitsa", in which everything was like - in the army, but pretending; from the first class it was said that the defense of the Fatherland is the main thing for boys)), television programs, quite powerful, and no less significant factor - the movie. How many good films were made about military service in the army and navy: "Solo swimming", "Case in square 36 - 80", "Return move", "In the area of ​​special attention", and nothing about the film "Officers".
  2. Canep
    Canep 15 May 2013 08: 01 New
    +1
    You need to download in Russian (and if it is?) And see.
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 15 May 2013 13: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      You need to download in Russian (and if it is?) And see.


      http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4401397
      http://xbt-torrent.ru/details/187639
    2. dddym
      dddym 15 May 2013 18: 38 New
      +1
      in Yandex, gain and you will be happy - there is also glory to God!
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  4. mogus
    mogus 15 May 2013 08: 24 New
    +3
    democracy - freedom (from conscience and honor. Truth and past, if they are about the West, and especially about its essence).
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 15 May 2013 21: 50 New
      +1
      when I hear the word democracy I want to pick up a machine gun!
  5. BARKAS
    BARKAS 15 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +1
    Recently, the Yalta-45 movie was shown on the Central Television, as I understand it, the state gives money for such "masterpieces" and orders someone else, you definitely cannot bring up patriots with such films. And "Our mothers are our fathers" I’ll look now I found in Shareman.
  6. omsbon
    omsbon 15 May 2013 08: 35 New
    12
    “Shtrafbat” this film is vile in the first place with a false plot. In general, the position of the author seemed strange to me.
  7. pinecone
    pinecone 15 May 2013 08: 41 New
    +4
    Unclear. what good the author found in this salvation of Rain. The painted fiction, no more.
    In my opinion, a good foreign film about the war is the German film Das Boot ("The Boat"). The music from it was loved by sailors from the Kursk nuclear submarine. You can watch it on the Internet, although it is repulsively duplicated in Russian.
  8. Ribwort
    Ribwort 15 May 2013 08: 48 New
    14
    Quote: "Yes, the film is false, but the laws of the market are more important ..."
    Is it not too often in our country that people have begun to justify all kinds of obscenities with "market laws"?
    Patriotism is good, but market laws are more important ...
    Human life is priceless, but there are laws of the market ...
    Honesty is great, but who needs it in a market?
    History is good only when money can be made from it. And if you can’t, then it’s not a sin to fix it. The laws of the market are ...
    How sick of you already!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 15 May 2013 11: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Ribwort
      How sick of you already!

      And do not say.
  9. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 15 May 2013 08: 56 New
    +9
    "everything was mixed in the house of Oblonsky." That's about how I would describe the thoughts of the author of this article. Absolutely awkward top list. Slanderous "Shtrafbat" put on the same line with the "In August the 44th!" "White Tiger" .. hmm .... good movie? The leitmotif of the article, as I understand it, is how good the film “Saving Private Ryan” is, and this is the level to which we must strive. A very strange analysis ... request
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 15 May 2013 11: 50 New
      -2
      The game of actors is marked in the penal battalion and it is actually worthy. I watched with pleasure.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 15 May 2013 13: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: ed65b
        The game of actors is marked in the penal battalion and it is actually worthy. I watched with pleasure.


        Let me ask you what you enjoyed? Is it really because the TALENTED actors TALENTIVELY shit on the blessed memory of our grandfathers, in the fragile souls of our children?
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    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 15 May 2013 19: 08 New
      +1
      I agree. More about "just three minutes." Ryazanov once said when they told him in the Ministry of Culture that they cut "very little" from his films. "A peasant is also cut off quite a bit! Only after that it is no longer a peasant!" Let there be three hundred hours in this film. But if there are three minutes in which our soldiers shoot at the wounded in the hospital, they try to rape a nurse ... in the ass such a film. Overview to hell ...
  10. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 15 May 2013 09: 14 New
    +6
    Incomplete top list and some strange, to say the least
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  12. ... in motu
    ... in motu 15 May 2013 09: 27 New
    0
    Good
    I agree with Kushadasov, perhaps a worthy answer to this article will be a video on the film Mikhalkava Citadel, what they do on Karamba TV. hi
  13. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 15 May 2013 09: 40 New
    +8
    If you want a normal film about the war, then watch old Soviet films, like the example of “Liberation” and there is little propaganda, and the Germans are not shown full of ideots, by the way I don’t understand why to expose your enemy as a stupid clown speaking Russian with a terrible accent, I assure you that if the Germans used Russian-speaking people in special forces, then they spoke pure Russian. But friends, fasten on the approach of Bondarchuk with his Stalingrad, I'm already afraid.
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 15 May 2013 11: 03 New
      +6
      Are you serious? Is Bondarchyuk making a film about Stalingrad? A guard !!! My darkest phobias come true ...
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 15 May 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        See the trailer on the Internet there.
      2. adg76
        adg76 15 May 2013 12: 13 New
        +2
        Now films are not made about war, but about love. War is the background. Here Bondarchuk and Stalingrad, so ....
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 15 May 2013 11: 18 New
      +7
      Quote: Standard Oil
      But friends fasten on the approach Bondarchuk with his Stalingrad, I'm already afraid.

      It seems that there will be such an episode: a factory (tank) worker covers his machine with iron sheet (in order to save it during shelling). repulsed with a rifle in his hands (eating 1 on 3) the Germans attack. Then he comes to the machine and, falling from fatigue, gives out products. When this episode was retold to A. Isaev in a program dedicated to the Battle of Stalingrad, he almost e ... vanished. I tried to explain something, but did not really listen to him.
    3. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 15 May 2013 11: 32 New
      +5
      deep down I cherish the hope that such a sensitive and very responsible topic as Stalingrad will not be completely left to Bondarchka Jr. This creative kid will be controlled so that the bullshit does not hit.
  14. Sochi
    Sochi 15 May 2013 09: 40 New
    +8
    If in old films there were technical mistakes (unreliable technique), now the unreliability of history, even if a modern film is less reliable, then everything in the film is riddled with snot about the “relationship of the heroes” so that it’s disgusting to look ... It seems that war as if in between, the main thing is mental suffering.
    1. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 15 May 2013 09: 59 New
      +6
      Technical bloopers may have been. But they were so inconspicuous and insignificant for the viewer. And only a narrow specialist could discern them. Soviet films about the war were powerful, monumental, truthful. You watch such films and as if you find yourself there. You look and think - "I believe." What now? Pitiful movie stars. The ratio of high-quality films and cheap crafts is depressing. As a sample of film feces, I recommend watching “And There Was a War” (a miniseries of some idiotic director). And, by the way, venerable actors play there: Klyuyev, Buldakov, Proskurin. So these comrades, it turns out, "spat in eternity." Mentally spit. Money doesn’t smell ...
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 15 May 2013 14: 05 New
        +2
        If there were, then not all films, but sometimes it hurt the eye. And so yes, powerful, I wanted to be like heroes in a movie ... And now, in my opinion, the actors do not care what to play and how to play, the main thing is to pay! Yes, and their mastery ... The main thing is to become familiar on the screen and you are already a master, a star.
  15. baltika-18
    baltika-18 15 May 2013 09: 42 New
    13
    The article was negative for “Shtrafbat”, “Purgatory”, “Ryan” and laudatory odes to the German film.
  16. The gentleman
    The gentleman 15 May 2013 09: 44 New
    +1
    watched, watched and will watch films about the war. but in any case, everyone should understand what is happening in the film and be able to analyze. Here is the question of perception, education, understanding. I am afraid that our children will only laugh at these films and only it depends on us how we get it to their ears
  17. avia12005
    avia12005 15 May 2013 09: 44 New
    +3
    Not in 80-x, but in 70-x in Belarus. The beginning is the same, but the end is different. The boys in German uniform with MP-38 came to the village, like alongside Ozarichi, and ordered (!) The chairman of the S / s to gather everyone in the square. He did, but for the time being, the people gathered, he found that he gave to the fictitious Germans (in 70's then !!!) a list of communists, Jews (1 was in the village) and V / s SA in the reserve. The "Germans" led this reptile to shoot, and in the meantime, his son rushed to the RC in a bike and led the police. In short, it's funny, but Belarusians remember this)) 0 am
  18. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 15 May 2013 09: 50 New
    +8
    Honestly, these series were pulled up with a standard set of vicious specialists, vodka, field wives. She's sick of this cheap stuff. Undoubtedly, “Ryan” outdid everything that is about ideology in terms of the quality of production of battle scenes — American film and that’s it. And our creators of the series need to tear off their hands - they shot the “soap” for housewives, well, they would have shot further, so no, first they filled the screens with cops, bandits, and now they got to the Second World War.
  19. Hort
    Hort 15 May 2013 09: 52 New
    +4
    I OFFER TOP-LIST FILMS ABOUT WAR WITH LITTLE COMMENTS
    4 “CHRISTMAS” The film is not about the Second World War, but emotionally a very strong movie. In no other film, I had more respect for the soldiers. After viewing it is ready to kill Chechens with bare hands.
    5 “SALVATION OF THE RADA RYAN” is a very good film, but the drama just gushes over the edge. The film keeps the battle scenes, very good sound in the film. The plot itself is delusional. Although maybe I grew up in the wrong country?
    6 “IN AUGUST 44” is a great movie about exploration. For the stage at the edge of the forest would give the main character OSCAR. Not a very entertaining movie, but very tense.
    7 “BREST FORTRESS” - the film was astonished by the fact that they did not pour any slop on our history. Good movie, but the story is crumpled. There is a lack of panoramic scenes. The plot is weak.
    8 “STRAFBAT” - this film could become the best film about the war only thanks to the ACTORS GAME. Everything else is so cheap film that you immediately realize that you are watching a series. It is not clear why Serebryakov did it all.
    I dare to leave my comments:
    Purgatory - stupidly trashy mochilovo, not impressed. The cycle of documentaries about the first Chechen one is much more informative and interesting.
    Ryan was shot well, of course, but again from the “Allied” films “Brothers in Arms” and “Pacific Ocean” are much higher.
    “In August of the 44th” film is not about intelligence, but about counterintelligence :) IMHO, one of the best military films of Russian (not Soviet, but specifically Russian) cinema.
    The Brest Fortress is a good and correct film, but it is still noticeable that it was shot by people who knew about the war only in theory: the battle scenes in places are similar to airsoft shootings. Well it is, my personal nit-picking already :)
    Penalty ... well, unless really a game of actors ... otherwise a lying liberoid burp. My grandfather went through a fine, told completely different things about it. And now it is full of documentary materials about the fine units and everything connected with them.
    Well, on my own I would add to the list of good films such films as:
    “Own,” “Mogilev Frontier,” and, with a stretch, “saboteur” (with a stretch because the second part of the series is more skewed towards the heroic action movie).
    From Soviet films - “They Fought for the Motherland”, “Stalingrad”, “Squad”.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 15 May 2013 11: 54 New
      +2
      I do not agree about purgatory this is the first and only film more or less truthful and shot without undue heroism. At one time, he simply shocked society. He was even taken out to the CIS countries with cassettes and looked up to holes there.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 15 May 2013 12: 04 New
        +1
        I won’t judge whether it is good or bad, but for me personally there is a category of films that I can’t even watch until the end if I want to. I try several times, but that’s not all.
      2. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 15 May 2013 12: 17 New
        +3
        "At one time, he simply shocked society"

        At one time, the beads were shocked by a tribe of natives and Coca-Cola with Vidic shocked Soviet society. But now you can see what is valuable in life, and what is poop in a shiny wrapper ...
  20. YaRusich
    YaRusich 15 May 2013 09: 54 New
    +9
    Yes, the film is false, but the laws of the market are more important, and if you want to sell something, then you must create a product that people want to consume.


    go to w ..., with your markets and its laws. I grew up on Soviet films about the war and the scouts, and I show only similar films to my children.

    PS. And your tolerance, along with liberalism, is wiped out.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 15 May 2013 20: 07 New
      +1
      I do not agree with the article in everything. And put a minus.

      I watched a movie. Removed soundly. But all these mistakes (mentioned above) spoil the picture.
      By the way, the author modestly "forgot" to mention an episode in which German soldiers were compassionately distributing food to the population on occupied Russian territory. It's fantastic!
      And the episode with the murder of a girl by an SS officer? Type - the Wehrmacht and nothing!
  21. avia12005
    avia12005 15 May 2013 10: 00 New
    +6
    "the film is false, but the laws of the market are more important, and if you want to sell something, then you have to create a product that people want to consume"
    Wow easy: Barack Obama's regime applied chemical weapons against BOSTON MARATHON PARTICIPANTS.
  22. Belogor
    Belogor 15 May 2013 10: 04 New
    +2
    The author, of course, has the right to state his own position on films of this subject; he has his own taste and it makes no sense to argue with this. But according to some points, I do not agree with him.
  23. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 15 May 2013 10: 17 New
    0
    I didn’t set a minus, but also a plus. The author tried to explain his point of view, but did not really succeed in this, for which he grabbed the minuses.
    From myself I will add:
    From old:
    The Star and its remake.
    "And the dawns here are quiet"
    "Only old people go into battle"
    "Ballad of a soldier"
    etc.
    From the "new":
    recently there was a series "People’s cart" in principle, I liked
    "At an unnamed height"
    there’s probably something good, but you don’t remember right away ...
  24. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 15 May 2013 10: 24 New
    12
    I think that the summary of any modern Russian film about the war can be conditionally put with some deviations back and forth in:
    1. A hero from the camp, where of course he is innocently convicted, goes to the front;
    2. It falls into the penal battalion because the Soviet army at 99,98766% consists of penal battles;
    2.It falls into regular troops, usually into infantry, apparently there are no other types of troops in the Soviet army, except for detachments, but apparently only clones of beria, hedgehog and berries are being recruited there;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1937, of course, according to the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1938, of course, of the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3 b. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1939, of course, of the false denunciation of the janitor;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime, repressing his parents in 1940, of course, of the false denunciation of the boss at work;
    3 infinity. think for yourself what were repressed ...;
    4. A hero deeply religious, but not necessarily, but often;
    5. The hero does not fight for Stalin but for Mother Russia;
    6. A love story is always present, and the beloved of the hero is often also repressed or raped by evil NKVD-shnikami, maybe even before the eyes of gg ... well and so on, but if your script does not fit the above pattern, then Svanidze or Mlecin will not be approved and the film will not be removed.
    1. smoker
      smoker 15 May 2013 10: 47 New
      +5
      but the names indicated at the very bottom of the message are better not to pronounce in a decent society stop
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 15 May 2013 11: 00 New
        +4
        I agree, but judging by modern films, they are the ones who sit in the acceptance.
    2. yanus
      yanus 15 May 2013 11: 14 New
      +8
      Quote: Standard Oil
      I think that the summary of any modern Russian film about the war can be conditionally put with some deviations back and forth in:
      1. A hero from the camp, where of course he is innocently convicted, goes to the front;
      2. It falls into the penal battalion because the Soviet army at 99,98766% consists of penal battles;
      2.It falls into regular troops, usually into infantry, apparently there are no other types of troops in the Soviet army, except for detachments, but apparently only clones of beria, hedgehog and berries are being recruited there;
      3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1937, of course, according to the neighbor’s false denunciation;
      3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1938, of course, of the neighbor’s false denunciation;
      3 b. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1939, of course, of the false denunciation of the janitor;
      3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime, repressing his parents in 1940, of course, of the false denunciation of the boss at work;
      3 infinity. think for yourself what were repressed ...;
      4. A hero deeply religious, but not necessarily, but often;
      5. The hero does not fight for Stalin but for Mother Russia;
      6. A love story is always present, and the beloved of the hero is often also repressed or raped by evil NKVD-shnikami, maybe even before the eyes of gg ... well and so on, but if your script does not fit the above pattern, then Svanidze or Mlecin will not be approved and the film will not be removed.

      The Jewish intellectual has been forgotten. He must philosophize, at the extreme - to sit with sad, sad, smart, smart eyes and worry about his homeland. After all, he understands and knows everything.
  25. explorer
    explorer 15 May 2013 10: 37 New
    +4
    That is, the author watched all THREE episodes of this propaganda and we can say that he succumbed to "Western" influence.

    No, all the same, those who said at one time were right: "I didn’t read (that is, I didn’t look) .... but I CONDEMN !!" laughing

    Where is our counter-propaganda? After all, “a film for the Europeans” and tomorrow their generation will be wondering what the Russians did in 45 in Berlin and why they killed poor Adolph, who built so many roads and opened labor and rest camps for millions of Europeans.
  26. does it
    does it 15 May 2013 10: 43 New
    +4
    In the 80s, a case occurred in the Soviet Union, high school students found a German uniform from the Second World War, dressed it and went around the village, a watchman saw them and died. so such cases were full, for example, collective farmers stumbled upon a German masked warehouse in a forest with uniforms and so on. and we decided to make a joke! we changed into German uniforms and were hung with weapons and in all of this we drove into the village on a tractor, the village was in shock. and they were planted ...
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 15 May 2013 11: 57 New
      0
      Right even in the newspapers there was an article.
  27. ed1968
    ed1968 15 May 2013 10: 51 New
    +3
    to make a first-class voknny film from the director it is required 1 to make a film of a heart I’m putting my whole soul and not out of stupid money because of 2 to be a patriot of your country 3 to have a good idea of ​​the time and events of that time to hire historians to get vile equipment and weapons of that time and not to mutter BMP or T 72 in tigers and PZ 4 will consult with combatants (veterans) 3 have a small budget
  28. fatty
    fatty 15 May 2013 11: 06 New
    +4
    well, Ranevskaya is great, and the current small-scale actor is omnivorous. advertisers and TV serial. mercantile snickering snacks, not cultural figures. They are filmed in scenarios based on obscene jokes, pay loot current.
  29. Goblin 28
    Goblin 28 15 May 2013 11: 13 New
    +7
    Quote: Standard Oil
    I think that the summary of any modern Russian film about the war can be conditionally put with some deviations back and forth in:
    1. A hero from the camp, where of course he is innocently convicted, goes to the front;
    2. It falls into the penal battalion because the Soviet army at 99,98766% consists of penal battles;
    2.It falls into regular troops, usually into infantry, apparently there are no other types of troops in the Soviet army, except for detachments, but apparently only clones of beria, hedgehog and berries are being recruited there;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1937, of course, according to the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1938, of course, of the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3 b. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1939, of course, of the false denunciation of the janitor;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime, repressing his parents in 1940, of course, of the false denunciation of the boss at work;
    3 infinity. think for yourself what were repressed ...;
    4. A hero deeply religious, but not necessarily, but often;
    5. The hero does not fight for Stalin but for Mother Russia;
    6. A love story is always present, and the beloved of the hero is often also repressed or raped by evil NKVD-shnikami, maybe even before the eyes of gg ... well and so on, but if your script does not fit the above pattern, then Svanidze or Mlecin will not be approved and the film will not be removed.

    And also the hero prince ... count ... nobleman ... was brought up in an orphanage ... an excellent warrior ... not like our grandfathers-lapotniks who can only drink vodka, stupidly run on machine guns and rape both their own and German women. Yes ... well, and as always ... another hero who dwarfs everyone else with his mind, courage and ability to fight is a Jew, thanks to whom, in the end, the "stupid" Red Army defeats the "invincible" Germans. And for some reason the Germans are always called "fascists." What kind of fascists? The Italians were fascists. It turns out that they fought not with the Germans, but with the Nazis. But were they really? They had a Nazi party! And this, then to slip into the Zionist media, German fascism, Russian fascism ...
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 15 May 2013 11: 36 New
      0
      This is at Mikhalkov.
  30. pensioner
    pensioner 15 May 2013 11: 31 New
    +7
    You can make a good movie without technology. “And the dawns here are quiet” - there’s a lot of equipment there (well, there’s 1 inconsistency with
    anti-aircraft guns ...)? What movie? No one has canceled 3 conditions necessary in order to get a good movie:
    1. Good literary foundation
    2. A good director
    3. Good actors
    You can’t shoot movies completely historically reliable in the details (for various reasons, including financial ones) - spin, squeeze out of another. Many people noticed the types of aircraft in "Fighting is the same old people"? Here's how ...
  31. avia12005
    avia12005 15 May 2013 11: 41 New
    +6
    The people, carefully read everything and thought: In Soviet films about the Great War, the main thing was not to wash the loot, but to tell about the GREAT SOVIET MAN as brightly as possible.
  32. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 11: 44 New
    +1
    Of ours, of course, "They fought for their homeland," "May Stars" and "Go and See." From the American "Marines" Spielberg. I have never seen such a truth about the war on MOT before him.
    1. Hort
      Hort 15 May 2013 12: 20 New
      0
      "Pacific" do you mean? What kind of marines?)
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 14: 21 New
        0
        Quote: hort
        "Pacific" do you mean? What kind of marines?)

        Yes . In Israel, he was persecuted as "Marines"
    2. screw cutter
      screw cutter 15 May 2013 12: 44 New
      +2
      “They fought for their homeland” is in textbooks, but the cast is the strongest and the director and script. But I want to draw your attention to the endings of all modern films about the war. some old people are coming, "Liberation", etc. The bottom line is that the impression of the film is how it all ended. "Yes, many died, but we won. These deaths were not in vain. No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten. Thank the granfather for the victory"
      ps From Hollywood there may be “Enemy at the Gates” and then rather about a sniper than about the Battle of Stalingrad.
      1. Hort
        Hort 28 June 2013 14: 34 New
        0
        "Enemy at the Gates" is an absolutely false propaganda craft.
        By the way, after watching this film I read Zaitsev’s memoirs, so everything was described exactly the opposite in them - and they calmly crossed the Volga and he did not immediately become a sniper, and much more
  33. ed65b
    ed65b 15 May 2013 12: 08 New
    +6
    In order to make good films about the war you need or visit it. or to be imbued with it, like Vysotsky, who sang the most magnificent songs about the war, never before having been there. The great directors of the USSR went into oblivion. and the dollar gave birth to clip makers and it seems that nature is really resting on the children of geniuses. for example, the stupid films of Bondarchuk, Mikhalkov. Huge money spent on the film and shot somewhere abroad. And rested and had fun. Perhaps only Belarusfilm produces high-quality modern films about the war. Although if you take 44 in August, then so many slops were poured on it at one time, even the author of the book recalled his last name (if I have not been confusing for a long time). Nothing today is considered a good movie. And I don’t even know what to write next. Let's hope that young really talented directors will appear. And you also have to be a Patriot of your country. What in the modern glamorous party is not.
  34. USNik
    USNik 15 May 2013 12: 18 New
    +8
    The White Tiger is the most authentic war film to date.

    SHIELD !? If the author looks only at the technical and monetary side of the film, then this is his Personal problems and complexes. You need to think what to write. How can a film in which a 60-ton monster floats silently through a swamp (!), Shoots faster than the T-90, and is invulnerable to stupid Ivanov, considered "authentic" ???
  35. Hort
    Hort 15 May 2013 12: 23 New
    +2
    hmm .. remembered the German film 93g. Stalingrad, well shot. And ours are not shown by ghouls chasing after the orderlies, but by normal people and soldiers. But as you can see from the year 93, the settings in the bourgeois cinema have changed
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 15 May 2013 16: 37 New
      +2
      I watched, on the recommendation (an “advanced and zealous big lover of the beautiful”), a familiar film. A joint “hell labor” of Germans and Poles, entitled-Unnamed: Woman in Berlin. It was shot by a German director in 2008, with the participation of Russian actors. One of those noted -E. Sidikhin. Well and an abomination, I will tell you! Description: Genre: war film, drama

      The film is based on the autobiographical book Anonymous, written by a German journalist and editor, where the author describes what happened to her in April-June 1945.
      On the pages of this diary, an unnamed German woman talks about the horrors of the Soviet occupation of Berlin. Hitler's Nazi regime is defeated in the terrifying war that he unleashed six years earlier. The German army, which occupied part of the territory of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, is now forced to retreat, and Soviet soldiers are on the heels behind it. They crave revenge.
      Having entered Germany, many Red Army men were engaged in arson, robbery, and murder. And they raped the Germans. Of course, this was not only done by Russians: soldiers of other allied armies advancing from the West were also guilty of sexual violence. But most experts believe that this problem has become more acute in eastern Germany. According to historians, in the last months of the war, nearly 2 million German women and girls were raped; many of them repeatedly.
      The heroine is raped several times by the Red Army; in order to defend herself against new attacks, she becomes the mistress of a Russian officer. In the film, this connection turns into a kind of love story, but in the book it is described as a purely pragmatic relationship.
      Many journalists and historians in the West doubt the authenticity of the diary that became the basis of the new film. But the filmmakers have no doubts.
      1. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 16 May 2013 06: 56 New
        0
        I also saw this nonsense. Sidikhin for me as an actor ceased to exist. This is an ordinary betrayal of their people., in memory of the Great Patriotic War. In addition to sidikhin, our actors were also noted there. I am ashamed of them. They also "spat in eternity."
  36. Nordwest
    Nordwest 15 May 2013 12: 32 New
    +1
    It remains unclear what the lie is hidden if everything is taken from memories and documents. The film is good and there is something to think about again.
    1. EDA2000
      EDA2000 15 May 2013 13: 46 New
      +4
      Probably a good movie .... for the Germans
      It’s clear when the Germans need to justify their ancestors, at least partially, but why do we need it? As my dad tells me, Hitler can be a smart person, can be a strong leader, he could even be relevant for his people, - BUT HE IS AN ENEMY . But the Germans, as a nation, were completely in solidarity with it, and so they received "joint" responsibility. (dad also suggested the term)
  37. Humpty
    Humpty 15 May 2013 13: 05 New
    +4
    Specially looked at this abomination. I don’t even know which scene is the most disgusting and deceitful, at least announce a competition here.
    It smelled like a Talmudic smell in the scene when Polish anti-Semitic partisans expelled a Jew from the detachment. And here the whole detachment (for this?) Is killed by the Fritz, his old friend, a convinced Nazi rat, helps to save the Jew.
    My impression of the film is a symbiosis of Nazi and Zionist propaganda.
    I can’t help but recall how and what concentration camps served for lunch in a German prison. In our country, as it were, many convicts saw that they would say that I would live like that!
    1. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 15 May 2013 13: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Humpty
      It smelled like a very Talmudic smell in the scene when Polish anti-Semitic partisans expelled a Jew from the detachment.

      Craiova’s army treated the Jews as a pro-Soviet element. AK’s hostility to Jewish units was the norm, help or at least a tolerant attitude towards Jews from individual partisan commanders was an exception. In general, as a result of the actions of the AK and the forces subordinate to it, approximately the same number of Jews hiding in the forests died as at the hands of the Nazis. On 15 of September 1943, the new commander of the AK, General T. Komorowski, issued Order No. 116 “On Combating Banditry,” which was interpreted by local commanders as permission to act against Jewish troops.
      In the Lublin Voivodeship, a detachment of 60 Jews liberated in the autumn of 1942 from the Yaniszow labor camp by fighters of the Guard Lyudova detachment was destroyed by AK.
      In February of the 1943 in Kielce Voivodeship, fighters of the AK detachment, on the orders of the command, opened fire on members of a Jewish underground organization who had fled from the Jewish labor camp in the town of Ostrovets ентwiętokrzyski in the eastern region of Kielce. They killed 15 of 17 Jews, the rest managed to escape.
      In September 1943 in the Kielce region, AK guerrillas shot seven partisans from the detachment of S. Khanyz and B. Gevirtzman (4 Jews, Russian and 2 Poles), sent to recapture the livestock surrendered by the peasants from the Germans. This incident marked the beginning of the AK war against the detachment of S. Khanyz and B. Gevirtsman, consisting of Jews who fled from the Czestochowa ghetto. At the end of 1943, when part of the Gevirtsman group was in the house of a peasant friendly to the detachment, AK soldiers surrounded the house. They beat the Jews and surrendered them to the Germans.
      In the Warsaw Voivodeship, Jewish partisan detachments arose in the forests in the Wyszków region (which were the base of the AK). One of them was a detachment of them. Mordechai Anelevich, consisting of former participants in the uprising in the Warsaw ghetto. This led to a complication of relations between AK and Jews despite the cooperation agreement previously concluded in Warsaw between AK leadership and EBO leadership. AK propaganda among the peasants was reflected in the supply of the detachment to them. M. Anelevich food. Squad them. M. Anelevich was divided into three teams, but soon one team was destroyed in battle with the AK detachment.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 15 May 2013 16: 31 New
        +1
        I am not going to dispute facts well known to a very narrow circle of people, for example, about the crimes of Poles against Jews. I'm talking about what the emphasis is on in the film. "Smart and sensual Germans" are fighting against "cruel, soulless barbarians."
        Aspen stake to the director as a gift.
  38. Avenger711
    Avenger711 15 May 2013 13: 10 New
    +4
    Release


    In terms of strategy, complete bullshit.

    “RESCUE OF A RANDY RYAN”


    A movie with a delusional plot is clearly not in the top.

    STRAFFBAT


    A tub of slops and an outright lie. The creators of the court.
    1. MG42
      MG42 15 May 2013 18: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Avenger711
      RESCUE OF THE RANDY RYAN ”
      A movie with a delusional plot is clearly not in the top.

      No, he’s just in the top, only in american bully
  39. Black
    Black 15 May 2013 13: 57 New
    +1
    The above series of top-end from the point of view of the author of the films is controversial, but not the point. The author of rights in the main country needs strong, truthful, highly artistic films about the heroic past of our country.
    There are very few good films about Afghanistan, almost none about our participation in Africa, Asia, in Korea.
    But, I think, while the mouthpiece (on which they shout, MOTOR !!!!) has a "mouth with a mustache", we will see crafts from the famous berry ...
  40. Rezun
    Rezun 15 May 2013 14: 08 New
    +4
    Rezun  June 15, 2012 21:33 | About the film "Serving the Soviet Union" on NTV

    "Jung of the Northern Fleet"
    "Hot Snow"
    "Chronicle of a dive bomber"
    "What the Motherland begins with"
    "Volunteers"
    "Descended from heaven"
    "It was intelligence"
    "In war as in war"
    "Torpedo bombers"
    "Blockade"
    "The living and the dead"
    "And the dawns here are quiet"
    "Liberation"
    "Thirst"
    "Ballad of the Chekist"
    Tehran-43
    "They knew only in person"
    "Two fighters"
    "Ivan childhood"
    Moundsund

    GLORY TO THE SOVIET CINEMATOGRAPHER !!!
    Show these films to children, grandchildren, neighbors !!!


    ... so probably better ...
  41. Begemot
    Begemot 15 May 2013 14: 53 New
    +2
    And I liked the White Tiger. It is shot, of course, by a great master. Of course, if you look only at the video sequence, it is a fantasy film, but it has enough hidden meaning. People in the film are practically devoid of emotions, and tanks, on the contrary, are endowed with them; in the scene of the second tiger and 34 matches, one could think of a million reasons why the wounded tiger was not finished off, but it turned out to be dirt. We all know who did not let the militarism and the militant spirit and the comparison of these forces with dirt to finish off - this is the position. In general, the film is much deeper than just pictures and shot very high quality. I agree with the members of the forum that there is practically nothing to replace Soviet films about the war with today. From modern cinema I would also call "At an unnamed height", "In August 44"
  42. Bigriver
    Bigriver 15 May 2013 15: 58 New
    0
    I don’t understand what the author wanted to say in the article: //
    It is completely incomprehensible to me by what criteria he compiled his personal top list.
    Call the putrid "Penalty Battalion" and not see the new "Star"?
    The second number to put just solid, on the four "Liberation", and do not remember about "They Fought for the Motherland", "Ascension", "At your doorstep."
    Well, and ... German film, say good?
    There is a very good German film "Bridge". It seems 1956. "17 Moments of Spring" is just stuffed with the stolen pieces from this film.
    There is a good German film "The Adventures of Werner Holt" (60s). Shot from a good novel by Dieter Noole.
  43. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 15 May 2013 16: 21 New
    +1
    From documentaries, I would recommend the cycle "World War II. Day after day." The author tries to be as impartial as possible, it does not always work, but you can still watch.

    As for modern domestic films about war, I don’t watch them, in principle, since 90% are not war films, but snotty melodrama to the accompaniment of breaks.
  44. ed65b
    ed65b 15 May 2013 17: 00 New
    +5
    Having entered Germany, many Red Army men were engaged in arson, robbery, and murder.

    And I remembered the words of a veteran who took Berlin. "When we went to Germany I went to abandoned houses many times to see how the Germans live and go up to the attic, and there are all kinds of smoked greens, in the rooms in the cabinets there are a lot of clothes, there are a lot of things, in the basement you press a button and the lights turn on and all kinds of snaps. and I thought, why did they come to me? I have a hut with clay floors and hungry children and a skinny cow that they want from me. so what are we occupants? " the raw material truth of a person who went through the war and defeated it. There is no interest in making new good films about history, for example, there is a sexually preoccupied Chapaev, a soldier in Afghanistan with a crooked barrel by a machine gun.
  45. MG42
    MG42 15 May 2013 18: 33 New
    +3
    “SHTRAFBAT” - this film could become the best film about the war only thanks to the ACTORS GAME. Everything else is so cheap for the film that you immediately realize that you are watching a series. It is unclear why Serebryakov did his best.

    This film generally has very different accents about the Second World War >> for example, an episode from the film >>>

    There is someone to drink and eat, but no one to fight = a phrase from this episode
    1. MG42
      MG42 15 May 2013 18: 50 New
      +2
      or another episode from the film, the topic was about cannibalism today, all this carries a penal battalion >>> <jokes-jokes> s / c

      rarely put articles minus but put here.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 15 May 2013 18: 58 New
        0
        Thanks for the trailers. Today I’ll reconsider today)
        1. MG42
          MG42 15 May 2013 19: 02 New
          +1
          There, in the <penal battalion>, if I’m not mistaken >>> 11 episodes of 45-50 minutes each for today do not review.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 15 May 2013 19: 54 New
            0
            I have a lot of time now. No so after the search
  46. fatty
    fatty 15 May 2013 18: 54 New
    +1
    the article is good, polemical, you know, guys, since we threw out all the trolls, let's publish comments on the essence of the issue. those. if I, a doctor who loves military equipment, but a humanitarian person, I have no right to be clever, and I will never talk in tongues if I am not competent in the matter. somewhere like that. guys, express your thoughts, you are younger and smarter.
  47. dddym
    dddym 15 May 2013 19: 00 New
    +7
    A huge minus article. I myself am the author of a play about the war, and its director, I remember how I had to solve a difficult task - to show the Wehrmacht soldiers not bloodthirsty - it was hard but it turned out! I remember how the children in the hall fell silent and watched all 2 hours in one breath (there was no break) As the adults sat bawning, no one was killed, no one was raped. If we even allow one scene with violence from the side of the soldier of the liberator, then we just need to show and what was done on the other side. After all, understand the scene - this is true and not an assumption with selfish interest. The author bears historical and moral responsibility to the fallen - on both sides and to generations of the future and the modern world. The deadliest weapon is not the atomic bomb, but cultural expansion. You write - the tank looks wrong - but do you know what a "poor theater" is? There are no suits at all - no! The word that rushes from the stage has tremendous power! And let the monkey with the grenade live in the zoo! Such films cannot be justified by any laws of the markets, otherwise we are starting a war ourselves - such as the Baltic states under the ss boot and Ukraine under the upa boots. Then we look dejectedly at how the monuments to the servants of the SS are erected and the veterans are judged for their alleged "atrocities." The list of films is the top one that the author put up - I don’t even want to discuss - it is completely tasteless and devoid of taste.
  48. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 15 May 2013 19: 02 New
    0
    Of course, there are kinolapy in good films, but it is rather an accident, and in the final version there are almost none. But for the filmmakers according to the director's idea, one must answer in full. I’ll stick a shot from the movie
    Leningrad from Bondarchuk. Winter is removed and in the background are green trees.
    1. vitas
      vitas 15 May 2013 19: 30 New
      0
      The film is called Stalingrad.
    2. dddym
      dddym 15 May 2013 20: 05 New
      0
      winter??? Why is there no snow? Why a puddle in which a stool. You have mixed up something, I apologize for the meticulousness :)))
  49. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 15 May 2013 19: 06 New
    0
    Draft material.
  50. MG42
    MG42 15 May 2013 19: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: vadimus
    Previously, entire generations were brought up on war films. So it is necessary to continue this tradition. And do not spare money for it.

    If for state money to remove such bullshit as Mikhalkov
    Trailer for the film Burnt by the Sun 2: Citadel.
    About the film: The commander Kotov paid for his restoration of his good name with his crippled fate. He returns to the house, memories of which gave him strength all these terrible years. But what awaited him in this house shocked him. Everything has changed, his fragile world has collapsed.
    In the role of Kotov himself Mikhalkov negative