Making a bad movie is like spitting into eternity.

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The other day I read a devastating article dedicated to the German film "Our Mothers, Our Fathers". He watched the film, the impression is purely positive. In Germany itself, the film was called the event of the year, an artistic breakthrough and blah blah blah. In countries affected by fascism (Poland, Russia), this movie is not understood. And no wonder. In my humble opinion, Germans should generally avoid this topic. Try to give drama and some ambiguity to the data historical events are not worth it. All these attempts are doomed to failure and misunderstanding on the part of other participants in the Second World War. In the 80s, a case occurred in the Soviet Union, high school students found a German uniform from the Second World War, dressed it and went around the village, a guard saw them and died. Such a memory remained in the hearts of the Slavs about the soldiers of the Wehrmacht.

Making a bad movie is like spitting into eternity.


Now about what was positive in this film. The strength is the study of the characters, their dialogues and how they perceive the war in its initial period and in the end. By the end of the story, they become different people. At the center of the story are two brothers, one of whom started the war with an ideological, competent officer, and ended up in a penal battalion as a deserter. The second arrived at the front as a pacifist and an outcast, and in the end became a very good soldier, calmly accepting everything that war brings, even his own death.

The Soviet wars are shown by stubborn, brave fighters, of course, there is an episode with a hospital where German wounded soldiers are shot and they try to rape a nurse, but this is literally two minutes from a three-part film. In my opinion, in general, this picture does not spoil. I would like to note that, for example, in the American film epopee “Brothers arms"The Soviet Union was remembered only in one of the last dialogues, the essence of which was that in Russia there was nothing to do." And this, removed our former allies. You can also mention the film “The Challenge”, where throughout the film the Jewish partisans fought against the Germans. And the Soviet army is represented by a red-faced half-drunk commissar, an anti-Semite. The Poles got more, the Polish partisans are more likely to dislike and sympathize with the soldiers of the Wehrmacht more than these freedom fighters. So the claims of Poland to the creators of this project are absolutely justified.

In conclusion, I would like to note the main thing about this film: first of all, this is a product for Europeans, for their TV channels, producers need to sell it and make money on it. And it is clear that if the Germans are portrayed as finished fanatics and fascists, then this film will not be in demand, it will not be massive. Yes, the film is false, but the laws of the market are more important, and if you want to sell something, then you must create a product that people want to consume. That's all. You can say as much as you like and how it happened, but each time we will find ourselves in the position of the Pug that barks at the elephant. And here lies the main paradox, in Russia there is a huge need for good, patriotic cinema. But instead we get countless base serials on the theme of the Great Patriotic War. Of course, we can note a number of projects that pleasantly surprised, for example, “Brest Fortress” and “White Tiger”, but they definitely do not reach the level of “Saving Private Ryan”. And if the Russian public accepted the Belarusian film, the film of Karen Shakhnazarov at the box office failed. First of all, because of the delusional plot, behind which the viewer did not make out a very powerful subtext. The plot is based on the confrontation between the Soviet tanker and the German tank a ghost, literally. Such are our superheroes. Hollywood nervously smokes, this is not a confrontation between Captain America and the Red Skull.

For me personally, the driver Naidenov - the personification of the entire Soviet people. There is an episode in the film when he is asked to tell his relatives that he is alive, he refuses and says that the dead cannot be where the living are. In fact, Naidenov sacrifices his past for the sake of victory over his opponent. And this is what all Soviet people did, their war was reborn, and they gave up everything personal for the sake of victory, one for all.

But most importantly, "White Tiger" is the most authentic film about the war to date. It really surprised me and pleased. If we see a tank on the screen, then it is a tank of the corresponding epoch, and not a 2 BMP with welded metal sheets, as in the film “We are from the future.” The creators worked very well with the details, not only the T-34-85 flaunt the frame, but the BT, General Lee, Sherman, T-4 tanks were also noticed.
Today, the cinema is striving to be shot as cheaply as possible and this is immediately obvious, it’s good if we are shown a decent trench, but not in one movie I haven’t seen a full-fledged defense system from at least two trenches. We are shown the endless cabinets of evil Smershavians who spread rot around everyone.
The Soviet Union won a simply titanic victory, sacrificing huge masses of people, and at the exit we get pictures of the “We are from the future”, “Fog”, “In June 41”, “Last armored train” levels.

I OFFER TOP-LIST FILMS ABOUT WAR WITH LITTLE COMMENTS

1 “ON WAR AS ON WAR”. First of all, I liked camera work and dialogues. Everything in the film looks natural and nothing annoying. The black and white image only emphasizes credibility, and the characters are very clear.
2 “LIBERATION” is a very large-scale movie. The first film shows the strategy of warfare. The film is not overloaded with ideology.
3 “LIVING AND DEAD” is a powerful film. Well conveys the spirit of the era. The main character is not very cute to me, but what is happening around the main character is very natural.
4 “CHRISTMAS” The film is not about the Second World War, but emotionally a very strong movie. In no other film, I had more respect for the soldiers. After viewing it is ready to kill Chechens with bare hands.
5 “SALVATION OF THE RADA RYAN” is a very good film, but the drama just gushes over the edge. The film keeps the battle scenes, very good sound in the film. The plot itself is delusional. Although maybe I grew up in the wrong country?
6 “IN AUGUST 44” is a great movie about exploration. For the stage at the edge of the forest would give the main character OSCAR. Not a very entertaining movie, but very tense.
7 “BREST FORTRESS” - the film was astonished by the fact that they did not pour any slop on our history. Good movie, but the story is crumpled. There is a lack of panoramic scenes. The plot is weak.
8 “STRAFBAT” - this film could become the best film about the war only thanks to the ACTORS GAME. Everything else is so cheap film that you immediately realize that you are watching a series. It is not clear why Serebryakov did it all.
IN CONCLUSION I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THE TWO DOCUMENTARY PROJECTS:
9 “GREAT WAR” is the best project dedicated to this subject. Very grateful to Channel One. THANK!
10 “LIBERATORS” well, on a solid “4”.

* Headline "Making a bad film is like spitting on eternity" - the statement belongs to the great actress Faina Ranevskaya
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  1. vadimus
    +16
    15 May 2013 07: 59
    Previously, entire generations were brought up on war films. So it is necessary to continue this tradition. And do not spare money for it.
    1. +12
      15 May 2013 08: 04
      “AUGUST 44” - great movie about intelligence.

      The author immediately shows which side he is on. stop And your ability to analyze.
      1. +6
        15 May 2013 11: 02
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        The author immediately shows which side he is on.

        I think he still wanted to write about counterintelligence, although I could be wrong! hi
      2. 0
        15 May 2013 22: 26
        Thank you, Nikolai, I didn’t notice the main thing.
    2. +24
      15 May 2013 08: 05

      Soviet wars are shown by stubborn, courageous fighters, of course, there is an episode with a hospital where German wounded soldiers are shot and trying to rape a nurse, but this is literally two minutes from a three-part film. In my opinion, in general, this does not spoil the picture.

      Yes Yes.
      "Just think one dung fly in the soup.
      The soup itself is rich and tasty!
      Dear guests, eat! "
      1. +2
        15 May 2013 08: 29
        And you close your eyes ... bully
        And so the soup is good, naporist wassat
        Well, more manyazika hi
        1. +3
          15 May 2013 08: 33
          Quote: ImPerts
          And you close your eyes ... bully
          And so the soup is good, wassat naporist
          Well, more manyazika hi

          Like "people grabbing" fellow
      2. +6
        15 May 2013 09: 33
        Quote: GreatRussia
        Yes Yes.
        "Just think one dung fly in the soup.
        The soup itself is rich and tasty!
        Dear guests, eat! "


        Well, it's like in modern life: people in prisons are supported by the state, and children in kindergartens and schools eat at the expense of their parents - well, isn’t it charming?
        And so everything is fine marquise.
        1. +5
          15 May 2013 11: 41
          Quote: alexneg
          Well, it's like in modern life: people in prisons are supported by the state, and children in kindergartens and schools eat at the expense of their parents - well, isn’t it charming?

          By the way, the topic is very interesting. The cost of maintaining a prisoner is about 1200 rubles a day for the state. This includes the costs of both the prisoner and the maintenance of the colony’s infrastructure (utility bills, repairs, etc.).
          Moreover, prisoners can only work if they wish.
    3. fortunophile
      +15
      15 May 2013 08: 35
      Quote: vadimus
      Previously, entire generations were brought up on war films. So it is necessary to continue this tradition. And do not spare money for it.

      Previously, there was a good state base of equipment, equipment and military uniforms and clothing of different eras at all large film studios (also state ones), and therefore there were no scouts in funny yellow and blue camouflages and 1-2 moto, 2 trucks and a plywood armored car throughout the film (TV series) and 10-12 soldiers in uniform (typesetting). For me, the top of the non-professionalism of the director of the film "Apostle" is a BMW on CAST DISKS !!! What is it like?
      So all this equipment, inventory and uniform in the dashing 90s was privatized for a penny and stolen from private collections, so we have what we have.
      By the way, the film "We are from the Future" in my opinion is not bad and as an educational one, one scene at the end when one of the heroes cuts a swastika tattoo from his skin with glass is worth a lot. hi
      And in objection to the author of the article, I personally do not care Sherman is shown in the frame (as a rule, it is 4-10 seconds) or scalded with BMP sheets, but when 1 tank goes to attack a battalion type and 10-15 soldiers run and around 5-6 explosions with sparks and bouncing fighters, it looks like a cheap imitation. Look at the chronicle there are no such "jumpers". Of the last jokes, I would like to remind you of the series "On Other People's Wings", that's where the "spreading cranberries" wassat
      1. Hudo
        +13
        15 May 2013 08: 46
        Quote: fortuneophile
        Previously, there was a good state base of equipment, inventory and uniforms at all major film studios ...


        And even earlier, the creation of war cinema MANDATORY included consultants, historians, and MILITARY CONSULTANTS whose task was not to miss the spreading cranberries.
        1. +8
          15 May 2013 11: 04
          Quote: Hudo
          And even earlier, the creation of war cinema MANDATORY included consultants, historians, and MILITARY CONSULTANTS whose task was not to miss the spreading cranberries.

          Remembered. When "17 Moments" was being filmed, one of the consultants Lioznova had a quiet person of a characteristic Caucasian appearance. Interfered little. well, they did not take him very seriously. But once on the set of the episode "a meeting with Hitler" he said loudly, but calmly and with a characteristic accent, "Not good! They were gentlemen. Women were let in ahead!" Later, Lioznova learned that this as a clerk had worked as a German throughout the war. In Germany.
        2. Drosselmeyer
          +7
          15 May 2013 13: 43
          Come on. Previously, there were also plywood "Tigers" and the Germans in parades ran through the trenches and post-war anti-aircraft guns, etc. But all of this was overshadowed by excellent scripts, director's exactingness and excellent acting.
          And now, read on the Internet how the shooting takes place. Gave a leaflet with dialogs and spin the actor as you want. And the actors are completely mediocrity-godmother of directors. There is no need to talk about the delusional nature of modern scenarios.
          1. Hudo
            +5
            15 May 2013 16: 24
            Quote: Drosselmeyer
            There is no need to talk about the delirium of modern scenarios


            How so! I watched not so long ago one of such paramilitary shit serials! About the scouts of the Red Army, like. The commander of the reconnaissance group is of the "cool" and "experienced" type, "he has seen everything" (according to the script), but with a chubby baby face and a saggy belly, like a bobblehead on a jar of baby food. In appearance, you can immediately determine that this clown will die after running 100m with a probability of 100%, and the crossbar for him is worse than being shot. The group includes a pair of unshorn head lice carriers who hold weapons like garden tools and move like cuttlefish, as well as two girls, as if they were just from a beauty salon, painted like .... For full Hollywood, as part of Group Gurpa is missing only African American and passive gay with piercings. But the credits indicate that the film crew includes a "creative producer" (c).
      2. +14
        15 May 2013 08: 50
        "Liberation" is a very strong film. And I would also note the film "The Fate of a Man", where Sergey Bondarchuk brilliantly played. And "The Soldier's Father" is remarkable.
        1. yak69
          +5
          15 May 2013 09: 57
          Quote: xetai9977
          And I would also note the film "The Fate of a Man"

          To this it is necessary to add films - "The Ascent" by L. Shepitko, "Come and See" by E. Klimov, and of course "17 Moments of Spring".
          About the details in the movie. The truth of life is the BASIC condition for creating a picture in Soviet cinema! The directors worked in the archives and worked through every detail: interior, clothing, etc. Everyone! Pro consultants are also a must. And what is being made now is not even a fake, it's just "bullshit" (you can't name it otherwise).
          Yesterday in Yandex I watched the video of the TV channel "My City" in Kemerovo, where the correspondent conducts a survey among young people in Zhukov Park. Someone considers Zhukov a writer, others do not know him at all !! The video was removed from the network. Why? We must show this shame! Well, okay, I understand, the Fursenki, the Livanovs are doing their job in the Ministry of Education, BUT at home, should parents teach their children or not ?!
          It turns out that this is not the fault of the children, but the fault of their parents, de bil!
          Annoyingly.
        2. +2
          15 May 2013 21: 45
          and also "Chronicle of a dive bomber" and "Places are quiet here" and "Torpedo bombers"
          1. yak69
            +1
            15 May 2013 21: 53
            Quote: sso-250659
            "The place is quiet here"

            Did you mean "The dawns here are quiet"?
            Also a great movie.
            hi
      3. smoker
        +5
        15 May 2013 09: 06
        I would not call a good technical base, of course, BMW casting is too much, but as you look in films of the Soviet Union, T-44 hordes stylized as tigers, or as in the blockade film when defending the Luga border in 41g. IS-3s are participating, also grinning to themselves. Although I watch good films with pleasure and pride. And in terms of criticism of modern war films, I’ll say that they are filmed by a modern young audience, well, films from the times of the USSR do not cling to today's youth, and you can’t do anything about it, even if you cultivate patriotism in them and arouse interest in the history of your country and history of his people ...
        1. adg76
          +5
          15 May 2013 10: 43
          There are not many of those who understand the technique. Therefore, T-44s are quite appropriate under the guise of T-34-85 or crafts for tigers. After all, it is very difficult to collect the N number of tigers for filming. Almost impossible. Then it is no coincidence that they show in Soviet films about the war, for example, filming the plot of 1941, the technique of the end of the war. When the battery stands to death against the so-called T-4 of the end of the war and the tigers, then for the viewer it looks more impressive. Long-barreled guns with knobs and all that ... This is a feature film. The main thing is that the film would achieve its goal. And there should be one goal. Using the example of the exploits of our fathers and grandfathers to educate patriotic youth. And if a young boy after the movie started reading articles about tanks, looking for differences in models (not in the game "world of tanks), then this is only a plus for the filmmaker. In my opinion, a feature film about the war is filmed not for those who fought, but for everyone else.
          1. +2
            15 May 2013 10: 50
            yes, absolutely right!
          2. +4
            15 May 2013 11: 10
            Quote: adg76
            In my opinion, the feature film about the war is shot not for those who fought, but for everyone else.

            A.German recalled that his father Yu.German in 42g. wrote a play about submariners and staged it at the theater in Murmansk. The main spectator contingent is naval. Well, they did not go to her. They didn't want to. And on "Romeo and Juliet" they broke. And they cried. This is the paradox of perception.
          3. 0
            16 May 2013 00: 27
            By the way, in the 60s there was a film "At Your Threshold" about the defense of Moscow (the anti-aircraft gun protects the road) there clearly showed the T-4. As for the technique: and in addition to good films about the war, I advise you to watch the Belarusian film "Dnieper frontier" about the defense of Mogilev. So there both T-3 and T-4 and Ganomagi are real (or perfectly "disguised") to the extent that a German tank is walking across the field with a cannon, and the spent cartridges through the hatch on the side of the tower throws out, as in real life. And the Soviet armored cars of the Ba-27 type (or similar) go. The only thing that spoils the film is the equivalent to the liberals about the "atrocities of the NKVD," where General Romanov, the hero of the defense of Mogilev, is initially in the "dungeons". As far as I know, there was no such thing in real life during the war.
        2. +3
          15 May 2013 11: 01
          Quote: smoker
          And in terms of criticism of modern war films, I’ll say that they are shot under a modern young audience, well, films from the times of the USSR do not cling to today's youth, and there’s nothing you can do about it

          I wouldn't say that. They cling, and how. Only now they are practically not shown. Who will remember "Two years over the abyss", "I am a Birch", the same "Thirst" and many others, where wonderful actors play. They just try to show them only on holidays, and even then later (at 22-23 hours, as they did in Ukraine), and prime time is given to different shows. I wish the show was shown at 23 o'clock, not films about the war. See what the result would be.
        3. +1
          15 May 2013 12: 42
          well, and in Ryan it’s by no means a real tiger, although it is covered with cimmirite, if you take a closer look at the skating rinks and layout, the tower is in front and not in the middle of the hull as expected. In general, the 41 technique of the year would not have produced a special impression in the frame, it was too small in size.
          1. smoker
            +2
            15 May 2013 19: 13
            that is, that is - the equipment is too small, the KV-2 among all this sheluponi would have looked monumental smile
      4. +3
        15 May 2013 13: 11
        There are films that play a huge role in shaping the moral image of the younger generation, and there are also "samples" that are forgotten the very next day. Previously, everyone wanted to be scouts, officers, astronauts. In many ways, this was a merit of the high ideological level of the then cinema. modern films, although full of different tricks, are devoid of any meaning.
    4. bezumnyiPIT
      +7
      15 May 2013 09: 22
      wonderful film about the war "Come and see"
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        +9
        15 May 2013 09: 28
        At one of the discussions of the film, an elderly German stood up and said: “I am a Wehrmacht soldier. Moreover, an Wehrmacht officer. I went all over Poland, Belarus, reached Ukraine. I testify: everything told in this film is true. And the worst and embarrassing thing for me is that this film will be seen by my children and grandchildren ”
      2. +8
        15 May 2013 11: 46
        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        wonderful film about the war "Come and see"

        And really scary. Klimov. What else can you say. By the way. I remembered. E.Klimov with "Come and See" traveled across America. And on one of the TV programs with him stalone pinned. He played a Rambo in Afghanistan in the film. What nonsense he was talking about !! Like my film deepens friendship between peoples, peace, etc. Klimov with his grin looked at him like an idiot. I asked him, "Have you seen Soviet soldiers in general? Do you know what they are?" And when he received a natural answer he added: "Well, did you take it? I haven't seen any American people - and I don't shoot anything about them. You need to shoot a movie about what you know." Stallone I remember was ready to fall underground.
        1. +3
          15 May 2013 18: 28
          really want to read about this dialogue СTallone and Klimov .. (I will be grateful for the proof)
          in general, he holds the record among men in nominations for the "Golden Raspberry" (award in cinema). Stallone was awarded four times and nine more times nominated in the nomination "for the worst male role." For Rambo-2 he was nominated in two categories at once - for the worst male role and for the worst directing; on the same grid is considered the worst actor of the 20th century)
          1. +1
            15 May 2013 18: 53
            Quote: Gleb
            I really want to read about this dialogue between Stallone and Klimov .. (I will be grateful for the proof)

            Specifically, where to find - I will not say. Almost 30 years have passed. But. Klimov then traveled to America with Posner. Posner was very popular there. Maybe this will help ... And (maybe) it was in the program of F. Donahue. Well, in general, and all the source data.
          2. 0
            16 May 2013 00: 34
            Well, "Remba" is great! If the first episode, not knowing the realities of the Americans, can still be watched like an action movie, then the rest is Hollywood. Especially an episode from a film about the release of American prisoners in Vietnam. There, Remba drags a prisoner on him across a rice field (without falling into the mud !!!), the Vietnamese hit him with 120-mm mortars, a mine (120 mm !!!) explodes at a distance of 2 meters from Remba and he runs, as if nothing had happened! Urge !!! The Americans, you know, have never been under mortar fire. If a 120-mm mine exploded at such a distance from the hero, at best, only the slippers would remain, and the carcass would be a classic colander !!!
    5. +3
      15 May 2013 21: 00
      I agree ! It is easier for us, who were born and lived in the USSR, for most of our lives, we were brought up by these films. We all practically reviewed the film "Chapaev" a hundred times, pulled it apart into quotes, such as: "But these are cheeks!", Or "You're lying, you won't take!", Soviet-made "Brest Fortress" and "Star", the first Soviet the series "Calling Fire on Ourselves", which is also ripped apart into quotes such as "Ah, Morozova!", and many other excellent films about the war, but there were also a huge number of films about wartime or films in which the war goes on as if for frame. I think the films "Father of a Soldier", "Native Blood", "The House I Live in", "Volunteers" can easily be put on a par with war films. From the list of films proposed by the author of the article, I would exclude "Penal Battalion", "Liberators", and would include, as the best documentary film, a series shot by the Americans jointly with the Documentary Film Studio of Roman Carmen in the seventies - "Unknown War". By the way, this film can remind those who are now trying to belittle the role of the Red Army in the Victory over Fascism that, they say, you are watching, you Americans, your one of the best actors is leading the film - Bert Lancaster. One more thing . Why in Soviet times was there a different attitude to service in the army and navy? Yes, because the propaganda of the service began at school (the game "Zarnitsa", in which everything was as if in the army, but for fun; from the first grade it was said that the defense of the Fatherland was the main thing for boys)), television programs, quite powerful, and no less significant factor - cinema. How many good films have been filmed about service in the army and navy: "Solo voyage", "Case in the square 36 - 80", "Return move", "In the zone of special attention", and there is nothing to say about the film "Officers".
  2. +1
    15 May 2013 08: 01
    You need to download in Russian (and if it is?) And see.
    1. +1
      15 May 2013 13: 45
      Quote: Canep
      You need to download in Russian (and if it is?) And see.


      http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4401397
      http://xbt-torrent.ru/details/187639
    2. +1
      15 May 2013 18: 38
      in Yandex, gain and you will be happy - there is also glory to God!
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  4. mogus
    +3
    15 May 2013 08: 24
    democracy - freedom (from conscience and honor. Truth and past, if they are about the West, and especially about its essence).
    1. +1
      15 May 2013 21: 50
      when I hear the word democracy I want to pick up a machine gun!
  5. +1
    15 May 2013 08: 33
    Recently on the Central Television they showed the film Yalta-45, as I understand it, the money for such "masterpieces" is given by the state, but someone else orders it, you definitely cannot bring up patriots with such films. And "Our mothers are our fathers" now I will look found in Shareman.
  6. +12
    15 May 2013 08: 35
    "Penalty" this film is disgusting primarily with a deceitful plot. In general, the position of the author seemed strange to me.
  7. pinecone
    +4
    15 May 2013 08: 41
    Unclear. what good the author found in this salvation of Rain. The painted fiction, no more.
    In my opinion, the German film Das Boot ("Boat") is a good foreign film about the war. The sailors from the Kursk nuclear submarine loved the music from it. You can watch it via the Internet, although it is disgustingly duplicated in Russian.
  8. +14
    15 May 2013 08: 48
    Quote: "Yes, the film is false, but the laws of the market are more important ..."
    Is it not too often that we have begun to justify various kinds of obscenities by the "laws of the market"?
    Patriotism is good, but market laws are more important ...
    Human life is priceless, but there are laws of the market ...
    Honesty is great, but who needs it in a market?
    History is good only when money can be made from it. And if you can’t, then it’s not a sin to fix it. The laws of the market are ...
    How sick of you already!
    1. +3
      15 May 2013 11: 12
      Quote: Ribwort
      How sick of you already!

      And do not say.
  9. +9
    15 May 2013 08: 56
    "everything got confused in the Oblonskys' house." This is approximately how I would characterize the thoughts of the author of this article. A completely awkward top list. Put the slanderous "Penal Battalion" in line with "In August 44th"! "White Tiger" .. hmm .... good movie? The leitmotif of the article, as I realized how good the movie "Saving Private Ryan" is, and this is the level to which we should strive. A very strange analysis ... request
    1. ed65b
      -2
      15 May 2013 11: 50
      The game of actors is marked in the penal battalion and it is actually worthy. I watched with pleasure.
      1. Hudo
        +6
        15 May 2013 13: 29
        Quote: ed65b
        The game of actors is marked in the penal battalion and it is actually worthy. I watched with pleasure.


        Let me ask you what you enjoyed? Is it really because the TALENTED actors TALENTIVELY shit on the blessed memory of our grandfathers, in the fragile souls of our children?
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    2. +1
      15 May 2013 19: 08
      I agree. Also about "just three minutes." Ryazanov once said when the Ministry of Culture told him that they cut from his films "quite a bit". "The peasant is also cut off quite a bit! Only after that it is no longer a peasant!" Let there be three hundred hours in this film. But if there are three minutes in which our soldiers shoot the wounded in the hospital, try to rape the nurse ... such a movie in the ass. Review to hell ...
  10. +6
    15 May 2013 09: 14
    Incomplete top list and some strange, to say the least
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  12. ... in motu
    0
    15 May 2013 09: 27
    Good
    I agree with Kushadasov, perhaps a worthy answer to this article will be a video on the film Mikhalkava Citadel, what they do on Karamba TV. hi
  13. +8
    15 May 2013 09: 40
    If you want a normal film about the war, then watch the old Soviet films, as an example, "Liberation" and there is not much propaganda on a large scale, and the Germans are not shown with full ideotes, by the way, I do not understand at all why to expose your enemy as such a stupid clown who speaks Russian with a terrible accent, I assure you that if the Germans in the special forces used people who spoke Russian, then they spoke the purest Russian. But friends brace themselves on the approach Bondarchuk with his Stalingrad, I'm already afraid.
    1. +6
      15 May 2013 11: 03
      Are you serious? Is Bondarchyuk making a film about Stalingrad? A guard !!! My darkest phobias come true ...
      1. 0
        15 May 2013 11: 40
        See the trailer on the Internet there.
      2. adg76
        +2
        15 May 2013 12: 13
        Now films are not made about war, but about love. War is the background. Here Bondarchuk and Stalingrad, so ....
    2. +7
      15 May 2013 11: 18
      Quote: Standard Oil
      But friends fasten on the approach Bondarchuk with his Stalingrad, I'm already afraid.

      It seems that there will be such an episode: a factory (tank) worker covers his machine with iron sheet (in order to save it during shelling). repulsed with a rifle in his hands (eating 1 on 3) the Germans attack. Then he comes to the machine and, falling from fatigue, gives out products. When this episode was retold to A. Isaev in a program dedicated to the Battle of Stalingrad, he almost e ... vanished. I tried to explain something, but did not really listen to him.
    3. +5
      15 May 2013 11: 32
      deep down I cherish the hope that such a sensitive and very responsible topic as Stalingrad will not be completely left to Bondarchka Jr. This creative kid will be controlled so that the bullshit does not hit.
  14. +8
    15 May 2013 09: 40
    If in old films there were technical bloopers (unreliable technique), now the unreliability of history, even if the modern film is more or less reliable, then everything in the film is permeated with snot about "the relationship of heroes" so that it is disgusting to watch ... Such an idea that war as if between times, the main thing is mental suffering.
    1. +6
      15 May 2013 09: 59
      Bloopers of a technical nature may have been. But they were so invisible and insignificant for the viewer. And only a narrow specialist could see them. Soviet films about the war were powerful, monumental, and true. You watch such films and as if you yourself find yourself there. You look and think - "I believe". What now? Pathetic movie-goers. The ratio of good films and cheap handicrafts is depressing. As a sample of film faeces, I recommend watching "And There Was War" (a miniseries of some feeble-minded director). And, by the way, venerable actors play there: Klyuev, Buldakov, Proskurin. So these comrades, it turns out, "spat into eternity." Mentally spat. Money doesn't smell ...
      1. +2
        15 May 2013 14: 05
        If there were, then not all films, but sometimes it hurt the eye. And so yes, powerful, I wanted to be like heroes in a movie ... And now, in my opinion, the actors do not care what to play and how to play, the main thing is to pay! Yes, and their mastery ... The main thing is to become familiar on the screen and you are already a master, a star.
  15. +13
    15 May 2013 09: 42
    The article was minus for "Penal Battalion", "Purgatory", "Ryan" and laudatory odes to the German film.
  16. +1
    15 May 2013 09: 44
    watched, watched and will watch films about the war. but in any case, everyone should understand what is happening in the film and be able to analyze. Here is the question of perception, education, understanding. I am afraid that our children will only laugh at these films and only it depends on us how we get it to their ears
  17. +3
    15 May 2013 09: 44
    Not in the 80s, but in the 70s in Belarus. The beginning is the same, but the end is different. Guys in German uniforms from MP-38 came to the village, as if near Ozarichi, and ordered (!) The chairman of the C / S to gather everyone in the square. He did it, but while the people were gathering, they found one who gave the fictitious Germans (in the 70s !!!) a list of communists, Jews (1 was in the village) and military forces of the SA in reserve. The "Germans" took this reptile to shoot, and in the meantime his son on a bike rushed to the RC and led the police. In short, it's funny, but Belarusians remember it)) 0 am
  18. +8
    15 May 2013 09: 50
    To be honest, these serials were lifted up with a standard set - evil specialties, vodka, field-wives. I'm sick of this cheap stuff. Certainly "Ryan" surpassed everything that is about the ideology of the American film in terms of the quality of staging combat scenes and that says it all. And our creators of the series need to rip their hands off, they removed the "soap" for the housewives, and they would have filmed further, but no, first they filled the screens with cops-bandits, and now they got to the Second World War.
  19. +4
    15 May 2013 09: 52
    I OFFER TOP-LIST FILMS ABOUT WAR WITH LITTLE COMMENTS
    4 “CHRISTMAS” The film is not about the Second World War, but emotionally a very strong movie. In no other film, I had more respect for the soldiers. After viewing it is ready to kill Chechens with bare hands.
    5 “SALVATION OF THE RADA RYAN” is a very good film, but the drama just gushes over the edge. The film keeps the battle scenes, very good sound in the film. The plot itself is delusional. Although maybe I grew up in the wrong country?
    6 “IN AUGUST 44” is a great movie about exploration. For the stage at the edge of the forest would give the main character OSCAR. Not a very entertaining movie, but very tense.
    7 “BREST FORTRESS” - the film was astonished by the fact that they did not pour any slop on our history. Good movie, but the story is crumpled. There is a lack of panoramic scenes. The plot is weak.
    8 “STRAFBAT” - this film could become the best film about the war only thanks to the ACTORS GAME. Everything else is so cheap film that you immediately realize that you are watching a series. It is not clear why Serebryakov did it all.
    I dare to leave my comments:
    Purgatory - stupidly trashy mochilovo, not impressed. The cycle of documentaries about the first Chechen one is much more informative and interesting.
    Ryan is filmed well, of course, but again from the "allied" films "brothers in arms" and "pacific" are an order of magnitude higher.
    "In August 44" is a film not about intelligence, but about COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE :) IMHO, one of the best war films of Russian (not Soviet, but Russian) cinema.
    The Brest Fortress is a good and correct film, but it is still noticeable that it was shot by people who knew about the war only in theory: the battle scenes in places are similar to airsoft shootings. Well it is, my personal nit-picking already :)
    Penalty ... well, unless really a game of actors ... otherwise a lying liberoid burp. My grandfather went through a fine, told completely different things about it. And now it is full of documentary materials about the fine units and everything connected with them.
    Well, on my own I would add to the list of good films such films as:
    "Own", "Mogilev frontier", well, with a stretch, "saboteur" (with a stretch because the second part of the series is more skewed towards the heroic action movie).
    From Soviet films - "They Fought for the Motherland", "Stalingrad", "Detachment".
    1. ed65b
      +2
      15 May 2013 11: 54
      I do not agree about purgatory this is the first and only film more or less truthful and shot without undue heroism. At one time, he simply shocked society. He was even taken out to the CIS countries with cassettes and looked up to holes there.
      1. +1
        15 May 2013 12: 04
        I won’t judge whether it is good or bad, but for me personally there is a category of films that I can’t even watch until the end if I want to. I try several times, but that’s not all.
      2. +3
        15 May 2013 12: 17
        "At one time, he just shocked society"

        At one time, the beads were shocked by a tribe of natives and Coca-Cola with Vidic shocked Soviet society. But now you can see what is valuable in life, and what is poop in a shiny wrapper ...
  20. YaRusich
    +9
    15 May 2013 09: 54
    Yes, the film is false, but the laws of the market are more important, and if you want to sell something, then you must create a product that people want to consume.


    go to w ..., with your markets and its laws. I grew up on Soviet films about the war and the scouts, and I show only similar films to my children.

    PS. And your tolerance, along with liberalism, is wiped out.
    1. +1
      15 May 2013 20: 07
      I do not agree with the article in everything. And I put "minus".

      I watched a movie. Removed soundly. But all these mistakes (mentioned above) spoil the picture.
      By the way, the author modestly "forgot" to mention the episode in which German soldiers compassionately distributed food to the population on the occupied Russian territory. It's fantastic!
      And the episode with the murder of a girl by an SS officer? Type - the Wehrmacht and nothing!
  21. +6
    15 May 2013 10: 00
    "the film is deceitful, but the laws of the market are more important, and if you want to sell something, then you have to create a product that people will want to consume"
    Wow easy: Barack Obama's regime applied chemical weapons against BOSTON MARATHON PARTICIPANTS.
  22. Belogor
    +2
    15 May 2013 10: 04
    The author, of course, has the right to state his own position on films of this subject; he has his own taste and it makes no sense to argue with this. But according to some points, I do not agree with him.
  23. 0
    15 May 2013 10: 17
    I didn’t set a minus, but also a plus. The author tried to explain his point of view, but did not really succeed in this, for which he grabbed the minuses.
    From myself I will add:
    From old:
    "Star" and its remake.
    "And the dawns here are quiet"
    "Only old men go to battle"
    "The Ballad of a Soldier"
    etc.
    Of the "new" ones:
    recently there was a series "People's Commissariat of Convoy", in principle, I liked
    "On a nameless height"
    there’s probably something good, but you don’t remember right away ...
  24. +12
    15 May 2013 10: 24
    I think that the summary of any modern Russian film about the war can be conditionally put with some deviations back and forth in:
    1. A hero from the camp, where of course he is innocently convicted, goes to the front;
    2. It falls into the penal battalion because the Soviet army at 99,98766% consists of penal battles;
    2.It falls into regular troops, usually into infantry, apparently there are no other types of troops in the Soviet army, except for detachments, but apparently only clones of beria, hedgehog and berries are being recruited there;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1937, of course, according to the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1938, of course, of the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3 b. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1939, of course, of the false denunciation of the janitor;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime, repressing his parents in 1940, of course, of the false denunciation of the boss at work;
    3 infinity. think for yourself what were repressed ...;
    4. A hero deeply religious, but not necessarily, but often;
    5. The hero does not fight for Stalin but for Mother Russia;
    6. A love story is always present, and the beloved of the hero is often also repressed or raped by evil NKVD-shnikami, maybe even before the eyes of gg ... well and so on, but if your script does not fit the above pattern, then Svanidze or Mlecin will not be approved and the film will not be removed.
    1. smoker
      +5
      15 May 2013 10: 47
      but the names indicated at the very bottom of the message are better not to pronounce in a decent society stop
      1. +4
        15 May 2013 11: 00
        I agree, but judging by modern films, they are the ones who sit in the acceptance.
    2. +8
      15 May 2013 11: 14
      Quote: Standard Oil
      I think that the summary of any modern Russian film about the war can be conditionally put with some deviations back and forth in:
      1. A hero from the camp, where of course he is innocently convicted, goes to the front;
      2. It falls into the penal battalion because the Soviet army at 99,98766% consists of penal battles;
      2.It falls into regular troops, usually into infantry, apparently there are no other types of troops in the Soviet army, except for detachments, but apparently only clones of beria, hedgehog and berries are being recruited there;
      3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1937, of course, according to the neighbor’s false denunciation;
      3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1938, of course, of the neighbor’s false denunciation;
      3 b. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1939, of course, of the false denunciation of the janitor;
      3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime, repressing his parents in 1940, of course, of the false denunciation of the boss at work;
      3 infinity. think for yourself what were repressed ...;
      4. A hero deeply religious, but not necessarily, but often;
      5. The hero does not fight for Stalin but for Mother Russia;
      6. A love story is always present, and the beloved of the hero is often also repressed or raped by evil NKVD-shnikami, maybe even before the eyes of gg ... well and so on, but if your script does not fit the above pattern, then Svanidze or Mlecin will not be approved and the film will not be removed.

      The Jewish intellectual has been forgotten. He must philosophize, at the extreme - to sit with sad, sad, smart, smart eyes and worry about his homeland. After all, he understands and knows everything.
  25. explorer
    +4
    15 May 2013 10: 37
    That is, the author watched all THREE episodes of this propaganda and we can say that he succumbed to the "Western" influence.

    No, all the same, those who said at one time were right: "I did not read (that is, I did not look) ...., but I JUDGE !!" laughing

    Where is our counter-propaganda after all? After all, a "film for Europeans" and tomorrow their generation will wonder what the Russians did in 45 in Berlin and why they killed poor Adolf, who built so many roads and opened labor and recreation camps for millions of Europeans.
  26. +4
    15 May 2013 10: 43
    In the 80s, a case occurred in the Soviet Union, high school students found a German uniform from the Second World War, dressed it and went around the village, a watchman saw them and died. so such cases were full, for example, collective farmers stumbled upon a German masked warehouse in a forest with uniforms and so on. and we decided to make a joke! we changed into German uniforms and were hung with weapons and in all of this we drove into the village on a tractor, the village was in shock. and they were planted ...
    1. ed65b
      0
      15 May 2013 11: 57
      Right even in the newspapers there was an article.
  27. ed1968
    +3
    15 May 2013 10: 51
    to make a first-class voknny film from the director it is required 1 to make a film of a heart I’m putting my whole soul and not out of stupid money because of 2 to be a patriot of your country 3 to have a good idea of ​​the time and events of that time to hire historians to get vile equipment and weapons of that time and not to mutter BMP or T 72 in tigers and PZ 4 will consult with combatants (veterans) 3 have a small budget
  28. fatty
    +4
    15 May 2013 11: 06
    well, Ranevskaya is great, and the current small-scale actor is omnivorous. advertisers and TV serial. mercantile snickering snacks, not cultural figures. They are filmed in scenarios based on obscene jokes, pay loot current.
  29. +7
    15 May 2013 11: 13
    Quote: Standard Oil
    I think that the summary of any modern Russian film about the war can be conditionally put with some deviations back and forth in:
    1. A hero from the camp, where of course he is innocently convicted, goes to the front;
    2. It falls into the penal battalion because the Soviet army at 99,98766% consists of penal battles;
    2.It falls into regular troops, usually into infantry, apparently there are no other types of troops in the Soviet army, except for detachments, but apparently only clones of beria, hedgehog and berries are being recruited there;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1937, of course, according to the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1938, of course, of the neighbor’s false denunciation;
    3 b. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime repressing his parents in 1939, of course, of the false denunciation of the janitor;
    3. The hero terribly hates the Soviet regime, repressing his parents in 1940, of course, of the false denunciation of the boss at work;
    3 infinity. think for yourself what were repressed ...;
    4. A hero deeply religious, but not necessarily, but often;
    5. The hero does not fight for Stalin but for Mother Russia;
    6. A love story is always present, and the beloved of the hero is often also repressed or raped by evil NKVD-shnikami, maybe even before the eyes of gg ... well and so on, but if your script does not fit the above pattern, then Svanidze or Mlecin will not be approved and the film will not be removed.

    And also the hero, the prince ... the count ... the nobleman ... was brought up in an orphanage ... an excellent warrior ... not like our grandfathers, bastards, who only know how to drink vodka, run stupidly on machine guns and rape both their own and German women. Yes ... well, and as always ... another hero who outshines everyone else with his intelligence, bravery and ability to fight is a Jew, thanks to whom, in the end, the "dumb" Red Army defeats the "invincible" Germans. And for some reason the Germans are always called "fascists". What kind of fascists? Italians were fascists. So it turns out that they fought not with the Germans, but with the Nazis. And were they really? Their party was Nazi! And this, then to slip into the Zionist media outlets, German fascism, Russian fascism ...
    1. 0
      15 May 2013 11: 36
      This is at Mikhalkov.
  30. +7
    15 May 2013 11: 31
    A good movie can be made without technology. "And the dawns here are quiet" - there is a lot of equipment there (well, there is 1 inconsistency with
    anti-aircraft guns ...)? What movie? No one has canceled 3 conditions necessary in order to get a good movie:
    1. Good literary foundation
    2. A good director
    3. Good actors
    You cannot shoot a movie that is historically completely accurate in details (for various reasons, including financial ones) - just spin, squeeze out of something else. Many have noticed the types of aircraft in "Only old men go to battle"? That's how it should be ...
  31. +6
    15 May 2013 11: 41
    The people, carefully read everything and thought: In Soviet films about the Great War, the main thing was not to wash the loot, but to tell about the GREAT SOVIET MAN as brightly as possible.
  32. +1
    15 May 2013 11: 44
    Of ours, of course, "They Fought for the Motherland", "May Stars" and "Come and See". From the American "Marines" Spielberg. I had never seen such a truth about the war on maintenance before him.
    1. 0
      15 May 2013 12: 20
      "Pacific" do you mean? What Marines?)
      1. 0
        15 May 2013 14: 21
        Quote: hort
        "Pacific" do you mean? What Marines?)

        Yes . In Israel, he was persecuted as "Marines"
    2. +2
      15 May 2013 12: 44
      "They fought for their homeland" is in the textbooks, but the cast is the strongest and the director and the script. But I want to draw your attention to the endings of all modern films about the war. Either a happy ending or even mess is not clear, compare the idiological subtext of the Soviet endings "Into battle only old people are walking "," Liberation ", etc. The bottom line is that the impression of the film is how it ended" Yes, many died, but we won. These deaths were not in vain. No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten. Thank the granfather for the victory"
      ps From the Hollywood ones there may be "Enemy at the Gates" and that is more about a sniper than about the Battle of Stalingrad.
      1. 0
        28 June 2013 14: 34
        "The enemy at the gates" is an absolutely false propaganda artifice.
        By the way, after watching this film I read Zaitsev’s memoirs, so everything was described exactly the opposite in them - and they calmly crossed the Volga and he did not immediately become a sniper, and much more
  33. ed65b
    +6
    15 May 2013 12: 08
    In order to make good films about the war you need or visit it. or to be imbued with it, like Vysotsky, who sang the most magnificent songs about the war, never before having been there. The great directors of the USSR went into oblivion. and the dollar gave birth to clip makers and it seems that nature is really resting on the children of geniuses. for example, the stupid films of Bondarchuk, Mikhalkov. Huge money spent on the film and shot somewhere abroad. And rested and had fun. Perhaps only Belarusfilm produces high-quality modern films about the war. Although if you take 44 in August, then so many slops were poured on it at one time, even the author of the book recalled his last name (if I have not been confusing for a long time). Nothing today is considered a good movie. And I don’t even know what to write next. Let's hope that young really talented directors will appear. And you also have to be a Patriot of your country. What in the modern glamorous party is not.
  34. USNik
    +8
    15 May 2013 12: 18
    The White Tiger is the most authentic war film to date.

    SHIELD !? If the author looks only at the technical and financial side of the film, then these are his Personal problems and complexes. You have to think what to write. How can a film in which a 60-ton monster silently float through a swamp (!), Shoot faster than a T-90, and is invulnerable to stupid Ivanov, be considered "authentic" ???
  35. +2
    15 May 2013 12: 23
    hmm .. also remembered the German film 93g. release "Stalingrad", well filmed. And ours are not shown as ghouls chasing nurses, but as normal people and soldiers. But as you can see since 93, the settings in the bourgeois cinema have changed
    1. +2
      15 May 2013 16: 37
      I watched, on the recommendation of ("an advanced and very big connoisseur of the beautiful") familiar film. Joint "labor of hells" of Germans and Poles, titled-Unnamed: Woman in Berlin. This was filmed by a German director in 2008, with the participation of Russian actors. from the noted -E. Sidikhin. Well, and an abomination, I'll tell you! Description: Genre: war film, drama

      The film is based on the autobiographical book Anonymous, written by a German journalist and editor, in which the author describes what happened to her in April-June 1945.
      On the pages of this diary, an unnamed German woman talks about the horrors of the Soviet occupation of Berlin. Hitler's Nazi regime is defeated in the terrifying war that he unleashed six years earlier. The German army, which occupied part of the territory of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, is now forced to retreat, and Soviet soldiers are on the heels behind it. They crave revenge.
      Having entered Germany, many Red Army men were engaged in arson, robbery, and murder. And they raped the Germans. Of course, this was not only done by Russians: soldiers of other allied armies advancing from the West were also guilty of sexual violence. But most experts believe that this problem has become more acute in eastern Germany. According to historians, in the last months of the war, nearly 2 million German women and girls were raped; many of them repeatedly.
      The heroine is raped several times by the Red Army; in order to defend herself against new attacks, she becomes the mistress of a Russian officer. In the film, this connection turns into a kind of love story, but in the book it is described as a purely pragmatic relationship.
      Many journalists and historians in the West doubt the authenticity of the diary that became the basis of the new film. But the filmmakers have no doubts.
      1. 0
        16 May 2013 06: 56
        I also saw this nonsense. Sidikhin for me as an actor ceased to exist. This is an ordinary betrayal of their people., to the memory of the Great Patriotic War. There, in addition to the sidikhin, our actors also noted. I am ashamed of them. They also "spat into eternity".
  36. northwest
    +1
    15 May 2013 12: 32
    It remains unclear what the lie is hidden if everything is taken from memories and documents. The film is good and there is something to think about again.
    1. EDA2000
      +4
      15 May 2013 13: 46
      Probably a good movie .... for the Germans
      It is clear when the Germans need to justify their ancestors, at least partially, but why do we need it? As my dad tells me, Hitler can be an intelligent person, he can be a strong leader, he could even be relevant to his people - BUT HE IS AN ENEMY ... And the Germans, as a nation, were completely in solidarity with him, and so they received "solidary" responsibility. (the term was also suggested by dad)
  37. +4
    15 May 2013 13: 05
    Specially looked at this abomination. I don’t even know which scene is the most disgusting and deceitful, at least announce a competition here.
    It smelled like a Talmudic smell in the scene when Polish anti-Semitic partisans expelled a Jew from the detachment. And here the whole detachment (for this?) Is killed by the Fritz, his old friend, a convinced Nazi rat, helps to save the Jew.
    My impression of the film is a symbiosis of Nazi and Zionist propaganda.
    I can’t help but recall how and what concentration camps served for lunch in a German prison. In our country, as it were, many convicts saw that they would say that I would live like that!
    1. +2
      15 May 2013 13: 58
      Quote: Humpty
      It smelled like a very Talmudic smell in the scene when Polish anti-Semitic partisans expelled a Jew from the detachment.

      Craiova’s army treated the Jews as a pro-Soviet element. AK’s hostility to Jewish units was the norm, help or at least a tolerant attitude towards Jews from individual partisan commanders was an exception. In general, as a result of the actions of the AK and the forces subordinate to it, approximately the same number of Jews hiding in the forests died as at the hands of the Nazis. On 15 of September 1943, the new commander of the AK, General T. Komorowski, issued Order No. 116 “On Combating Banditry,” which was interpreted by local commanders as permission to act against Jewish troops.
      In the Lublin Voivodeship, a detachment of 60 Jews liberated in the autumn of 1942 from the Yaniszow labor camp by fighters of the Guard Lyudova detachment was destroyed by AK.
      In February of the 1943 in Kielce Voivodeship, fighters of the AK detachment, on the orders of the command, opened fire on members of a Jewish underground organization who had fled from the Jewish labor camp in the town of Ostrovets ентwiętokrzyski in the eastern region of Kielce. They killed 15 of 17 Jews, the rest managed to escape.
      In September 1943 in the Kielce region, AK guerrillas shot seven partisans from the detachment of S. Khanyz and B. Gevirtzman (4 Jews, Russian and 2 Poles), sent to recapture the livestock surrendered by the peasants from the Germans. This incident marked the beginning of the AK war against the detachment of S. Khanyz and B. Gevirtsman, consisting of Jews who fled from the Czestochowa ghetto. At the end of 1943, when part of the Gevirtsman group was in the house of a peasant friendly to the detachment, AK soldiers surrounded the house. They beat the Jews and surrendered them to the Germans.
      In the Warsaw Voivodeship, Jewish partisan detachments arose in the forests in the Wyszków region (which were the base of the AK). One of them was a detachment of them. Mordechai Anelevich, consisting of former participants in the uprising in the Warsaw ghetto. This led to a complication of relations between AK and Jews despite the cooperation agreement previously concluded in Warsaw between AK leadership and EBO leadership. AK propaganda among the peasants was reflected in the supply of the detachment to them. M. Anelevich food. Squad them. M. Anelevich was divided into three teams, but soon one team was destroyed in battle with the AK detachment.
      1. +1
        15 May 2013 16: 31
        I am not going to dispute facts well known to a very narrow circle of people, for example, about the crimes of the Poles against Jews. I'm talking about where the accents are in the film. "Clever and sensual Germans" are fighting against "cruel, soulless barbarians."
        Aspen stake to the director as a gift.
  38. Avenger711
    +4
    15 May 2013 13: 10
    Release


    In terms of strategy, complete bullshit.

    “RESCUE OF A RANDY RYAN”


    A movie with a delusional plot is clearly not in the top.

    STRAFFBAT


    A tub of slops and an outright lie. The creators of the court.
    1. MG42
      +2
      15 May 2013 18: 40
      Quote: Avenger711
      RESCUE OF THE RANDY RYAN ”
      A movie with a delusional plot is clearly not in the top.

      No, he’s just in the top, only in american bully
  39. +1
    15 May 2013 13: 57
    The above series of top-end from the point of view of the author of the films is controversial, but not the point. The author of rights in the main country needs strong, truthful, highly artistic films about the heroic past of our country.
    There are very few good films about Afghanistan, almost none about our participation in Africa, Asia, in Korea.
    But, I think, while the mouthpiece (at which the MOTOR is shouting !!!!) has a "mouth with a mustache", we will see crafts made from the famous berry ...
  40. Rezun
    +4
    15 May 2013 14: 08
    Rezun  June 15, 2012 21:33 | About the film "I Serve the Soviet Union" on NTV

    "Jung of the Northern Fleet"
    "Hot Snow"
    "Chronicle of a dive bomber"
    "What the Motherland begins with"
    "Volunteers"
    "Descended from heaven"
    "It was in intelligence"
    "War is like war"
    "Torpedo bombers"
    "Blockade"
    "The Living and the Dead"
    "And the dawns here are quiet"
    "Liberation"
    "Thirst"
    "The Ballad of the Chekist"
    Tehran-43
    "They were only known by sight"
    "Two fighters"
    "Ivan's childhood"
    "Moonzund"

    GLORY TO THE SOVIET CINEMATOGRAPHER !!!
    Show these films to children, grandchildren, neighbors !!!


    ... so probably better ...
  41. +2
    15 May 2013 14: 53
    And I liked the "White Tiger". It was undoubtedly filmed by a great master. Of course, if you watch only the video sequence, it is a phantasmogory film, but it has enough hidden meaning. The people in the film are practically devoid of emotions, and the tanks, on the contrary, are endowed with them; in the scene of the second fight between the tiger and 34, one could think of a million reasons why the wounded tiger was not finished off, but it turned out to be dirt. We all know who did not allow militarism and a militant spirit to be finished off, and comparing these forces with dirt is a position. In general, the film is much deeper than just pictures and was shot with a very high quality. I agree with the members of the forum that there is practically nothing to replace Soviet films about the war today. From modern cinema I would also call "At an unnamed height", "In August 44"
  42. 0
    15 May 2013 15: 58
    I don’t understand what the author wanted to say in the article: //
    It is completely incomprehensible to me by what criteria he compiled his personal top list.
    To call a putrid "Penal Battalion" and not see a new "Star"?
    The second number is to put just a good one, on the fourth "Liberation", and not remember about "They fought for the Motherland", "Ascent", "At your doorstep."
    Well, and ... German film, say good?
    There is a very good German film "The Bridge". 1956, I think. "17 Moments of Spring" is simply stuffed with stealthy pieces from this film.
    There is a good German tape "The Adventures of Werner Holt" (60s). Based on a good novel by Dieter Nool.
  43. +1
    15 May 2013 16: 21
    From documentaries, I would recommend the cycle "World War II. Day by Day". The author tries to be as impartial as possible, it doesn't always work out, but you can still watch.

    As for modern domestic films about war, I don’t watch them, in principle, since 90% are not war films, but snotty melodrama to the accompaniment of breaks.
  44. ed65b
    +5
    15 May 2013 17: 00
    Having entered Germany, many Red Army men were engaged in arson, robbery, and murder.

    And I remembered the words of a veteran who took Berlin. "When we entered Germany, many times I went to abandoned houses to see how the Germans live and go up to the attic and there are all sorts of smoked bacon lard, the rooms in the closets are full of clothes, weighing a lot, you press the button in the basement, the light comes on and all sorts of liquor and schnapps. and so I thought, why did they come to me? I have a hut with clay floors and the children are hungry and the cow is a skinny cow, which is what they need from me. And we also gave us stamps, but the Germans did not give rubles to us when they came to us so what kind of occupants are we? " raw truth of a person who has gone through a war and won it. There is no interest in making new good films about history, there is, for example, a sexually preoccupied Chapaev, a Soldier in Afghanistan with a curved barrel at a machine gun.
  45. MG42
    +3
    15 May 2013 18: 33
    “SHTRAFBAT” - this film could become the best film about the war only thanks to the ACTORS GAME. Everything else is so cheap for the film that you immediately realize that you are watching a series. It is unclear why Serebryakov did his best.

    This film generally carries completely different accents about the Second World War >> here, for example, an episode from the film >>>

    There is someone to drink and eat, but no one to fight = a phrase from this episode
    1. MG42
      +2
      15 May 2013 18: 50
      or another episode from the film, the topic was about cannibalism today, all this is also carried by the penal battalion >>> <jokes-jokes> z \ k

      rarely put articles minus but put here.
      1. 0
        15 May 2013 18: 58
        Thanks for the trailers. Today I’ll reconsider today)
        1. MG42
          +1
          15 May 2013 19: 02
          There in the "penal battalion", if I am not mistaken >>> 11 episodes of 45-50 minutes each do not revise today.
          1. 0
            15 May 2013 19: 54
            I have a lot of time now. No so after the search
  46. fatty
    +1
    15 May 2013 18: 54
    the article is good, polemical, you know, guys, since we threw out all the trolls, let's publish comments on the essence of the issue. those. if I, a doctor who loves military equipment, but a humanitarian person, I have no right to be clever, and I will never talk in tongues if I am not competent in the matter. somewhere like that. guys, express your thoughts, you are younger and smarter.
  47. +7
    15 May 2013 19: 00
    The biggest disadvantage of the article. I myself am the author of a play about the war, and its director and director, I remember how I had to solve a difficult task - to show the Wehrmacht soldiers not bloodthirsty - it was hard, but it worked! I remember how the children in the hall quieted down and in one breath watched all 2 hours (there was no break) As adults sat crying, no one killed anyone, no one raped anyone. If we even admit one scene with violence from a soldier of the liberator, then we just need to show what was done from the other side. After all, you must understand the scene - this is the truth and not an assumption with selfish interest. The author bears historical and moral responsibility to the fallen - on both sides and to generations of the future and modern world. The deadliest weapon is not the atomic bomb but cultural expansion. You write - the tank looks wrong - and you know what "poor theater" is? There are no costumes at all - no! The word that rushes from the stage has tremendous power! And a monkey with a grenade - let him live in the zoo! Such films cannot be justified by any laws of the markets, otherwise we ourselves will unleash a war - like, for example, the baltics under the boots of the ss and Ukraine under the boots of the UPA. Then we look sadly as monuments to the ministers of the SS are erected and veterans are judged for their alleged "atrocities". The list of top films that the author put up - I don't even want to discuss - it is completely tasteless and devoid of taste.
  48. 0
    15 May 2013 19: 02
    Of course, there are kinolapy in good films, but it is rather an accident, and in the final version there are almost none. But for the filmmakers according to the director's idea, one must answer in full. I’ll stick a shot from the movie
    Leningrad from Bondarchuk. Winter is removed and in the background are green trees.
    1. vitas
      0
      15 May 2013 19: 30
      The film is called Stalingrad.
    2. 0
      15 May 2013 20: 05
      winter??? Why is there no snow? Why a puddle in which a stool. You have mixed up something, I apologize for the meticulousness :)))
  49. 0
    15 May 2013 19: 06
    Draft material.
  50. MG42
    +3
    15 May 2013 19: 24
    Quote: vadimus
    Previously, entire generations were brought up on war films. So it is necessary to continue this tradition. And do not spare money for it.

    If for state money to remove such bullshit as Mikhalkov
    Trailer for the movie "Burnt by the Sun 2: The Citadel".
    About the film: The commander Kotov paid for his restoration of his good name with his crippled fate. He returns to the house, memories of which gave him strength all these terrible years. But what awaited him in this house shocked him. Everything has changed, his fragile world has collapsed.
    In the role of Kotov himself Mikhalkov negative
  51. fatty
    +4
    15 May 2013 19: 31
    My favorite film from childhood about pilots chronicling a dive bomber. absolutely not pretentious, but surprisingly sparkling. And the Pe-2 was found somewhere in 1968, when my film was being filmed.
    1. +2
      15 May 2013 19: 40
      Quote: fatty
      My favorite film from childhood about pilots chronicling a dive bomber. absolutely not pretentious, but surprisingly sparkling. And the Pe-2 was found somewhere in 1968, when my film was being filmed.

      Agree. I would put “Torpedo Bombers” in this row.
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      2. fatty
        0
        15 May 2013 21: 29
        I hate stinking nakhapetov, excuse me.
  52. vitas
    0
    15 May 2013 19: 36
    I looked a little now and was surprised by the attention to detail, our soldiers in the 41st without shoulder straps are worthy of respect. The final opinion about the film will be formed only after watching it in full, but it is already clear that the Germans have polished themselves, to put it mildly.
    1. MG42
      +2
      15 May 2013 19: 43
      Quote: vitas
      I looked a little now and was surprised by the attention to detail, our soldiers in the 41st without shoulder straps are worthy of respect. The final opinion about the film will be formed only after watching it in full.

      if you are talking about the "penal battalion", then there were no buttonholes (later shoulder straps) and stars on the caps and there were no captured weapons, they would have shot...
      1. vitas
        0
        15 May 2013 20: 01
        I'm talking about the film "Our Mothers, Our Fathers."
        1. MG42
          +2
          15 May 2013 20: 06
          Until 1943, there were no shoulder straps in the Red Army, only buttonholes on collars and sleeve chevrons.
          1. vitas
            0
            15 May 2013 20: 10
            What I’m talking about, I’ve seen some films in which this is true, for example, “enemy at the gates.” I noticed it in the film “Our Mothers, Our Fathers.” MG-42 in 1941, there are still mistakes.
  53. +1
    15 May 2013 20: 01
    Dear vitas! The film is definitely called LENINGRAD.
    1. vitas
      0
      15 May 2013 20: 05
      what are you saying

  54. Best novel
    +1
    15 May 2013 20: 10
    And I watch films about THAT WAR with great pleasure under one condition - the Soviet soldier is the bravest, the kindest, and many other “best” - even if it is a “penal battalion”, “saboteurs”, “Smersh”, etc. The only thing that caused rejection to the point of disgust was “Burnt by the Sun-2”, I don’t know why. And I consider films like “We are from the Future” or “The Fog” to be useful - the main thing is that today’s youth watch and remember.
  55. fatty
    +1
    15 May 2013 20: 27
    And also, guys, find a movie for my children - green chains. both a detective story and a thriller, and most importantly, in one of the main roles, my favorite Pavel Luspekev. A wonderful film of my childhood! A wonderful patriotic film.
  56. 0
    15 May 2013 20: 39
    Dear Vitas! YOU are of course right - I apologize twice. Because of the thunderstorm, I can be seen jammed because
    filming took place in St. Petersburg.
    1. vitas
      0
      15 May 2013 20: 45
      You just need to always check the information. :)
  57. I. Brovkin
    +1
    15 May 2013 20: 51
    For those who haven't watched Burnt by the Sun 2 I advise you to watch it
    In my opinion, the most crazy film about the war. When I started watching it, I got the impression that this was a parody, and not the film itself. It’s a shame that someone’s idea of ​​the Second World War is formed based on this nonsense.It is impossible not to notice the deliberate denigration of the denigration of Soviet soldiers and officers, bordering on the whitewashing of the fascists. A drunken general, threatening the battalion commander with a pistol, orders the battalion to be raised in an unprepared attack, the NKVD soldiers shoot the advancing Red Army soldiers, the soldiers talk like prisoners, Stalin orders Kotov to lead a propaganda attack of unarmed workers (well, if you can say armed with shovels) who should deplete the Germans' ammunition and thereby show the readiness of the Soviet people fight to the last and ensure the capture of the citadel with minimal losses to the active army. And the Wehrmacht officer, observing such an attack, turns away and orders to open fire only if the Russians come very close and leaves, declaring that he does not intend to see the forced execution of the civilian population. About all this says in the video.
    Russians, after all, all this heresy was filmed with our money!!!Tell me, who agrees with this interpretation of the war that Nikita Mikhalkov offers us?!But he is the Chairman of the Union of Cinematographers of Russia. And if Mikhalkov is not removed from this post, he will do his best to promote such “fascist films” /Something needs to be done about this!
    1. +2
      15 May 2013 21: 30
      So Mikhalkov by..., by primary sexual characteristic. After the release of his “masterpiece” he was repeatedly asked the question - WHAT IS THIS? He invariably answered: “That’s what I see”, “this is the truth about the War”. form): “You don’t... you don’t understand art, and cinema in particular.” Well, I would film for myself and other intelligent and advanced people, BUT for my money! Carefully and secretly passing the disk with the film from hand to hand hands. No, to fanfare, all over the country (I read somewhere that schoolchildren were forced into cinemas). I have the opinion that this is a CONSPIRACY. Almost a joke.
      1. +2
        15 May 2013 21: 52
        Quote: Be proud.
        He invariably answered: “I see so,” “this is the truth about the War.”

        Well, I would have filmed my visions at my own expense! And the state money could have been given to another director. Only it seems to me that you won’t be able to tear Mikhalkov away from this feeding trough, and he will climb on all fours, and won’t let any of the talented other directors through.
    2. Hudo
      +2
      15 May 2013 21: 35
      Quote: I. Brovkin
      !But he is the Chairman of the Union of Cinematographers of Russia.


      traitor The Union of Cinematographers of Russia reflects the essence of its activities much more accurately.
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  59. +2
    15 May 2013 21: 15
    Quote: dddym
    winter??? Why is there no snow? Why a puddle in which a stool. You have mixed up something, I apologize for the meticulousness :)))

    I was puzzled by this question myself, and found out that snow fell in Stalingrad on November 15-16. And right away, there was a strong snowstorm!
  60. 0
    15 May 2013 21: 53
    After reading the discussion I watched “Our Mothers, Our Fathers.” Conclusion: the film is very good, like all films of Nazi Germany and, accordingly, has the same filling according to Goebels’ recipe “90% truth, 10% lies that crosses out the whole truth!” Let me explain, all countries of the anti-Hitler coalition received a slap in the face except France, since it was only at the insistence of Stalin, they were included in the list of winning countries! Russians are defenseless murderers and rapists, Ukrainian nationalists in Smolensk!!!!! are engaged in ethnic cleansing, but judging by the plot of the film, the authors perfectly studied the archives, because according to the dates and places of their battles everything is smooth! At first I didn’t understand about the Poles until I paid attention to the AK armbands! Who doesn’t know in Poland at that time there were partisans supported by the USSR and the Home Army (AK) controlled from London! So they hooked England! They even hooked the USA by showing how they accepted in the service of war criminals! The creators of the film did this intentionally, because the series is designed primarily for German youth, as if angels did not fight with them! And if you exclude these moments from the film, you will get a very good anti-war film!
  61. avs1208
    0
    15 May 2013 22: 14
    "Convoy PQ-17" is not bad. But the book is better! In general, I think the books by V.S. Pikul is a treasure trove of scripts for patriotic cinema.
    1. +2
      15 May 2013 22: 33
      Well, Pikul also has plenty of mistakes, to be honest... But compared to some others, it’s straight up documentary wink

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