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C-300 for Syria, 5-I Mediterranean squadron and Libyan lessons

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Around the issue of the future supply of C-300 to official Damascus, an entire debate has unfolded in the press. Will deliveries - or will not? After S. Lavrov’s statement about “Russia does not plan to sell,” circulated by ITAR-TASS, the number of speculations on the Syrian issue has increased many times, and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu flew to Sochi. Information appeared in the media that the Moscow International Conference on Syria will not take place in May. Against the background of such information, shrouded in a political secret, as well as in numerous rumors, other experts are of the opinion that the Kremlin was going to surrender Syria the other day — just like Libya had once passed.




10 May specialist. correspondent ITAR-TASS Julia Semenova and Irina Polina they handed over from Warsaw a statement by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, made after a meeting with the foreign ministers of Poland and Germany, Radoslaw Sikorski and Guido Westerwelle.

A Western journalist asked for clarification that Russia allegedly "plans to sell Syrian anti-aircraft missile systems C-300." Comrade Lavrov said in response: “Russia does not plan to sell, Russia has long since sold and completes deliveries of equipment under signed contracts, which is anti-aircraft systems.” He added: “This is not prohibited by any international norms, it’s a defensive weapon».

Sergei Lavrov does not believe that Syria could be attacked from the air: that would be fantastic. According to him, these weapons are “designed so that, in this case, Syria will have the opportunity to protect itself from air strikes. And this, as we know, is not quite a fantastic scenario. ”

In the media, a wave of notes, comments, conjectures, guesses, and a variety of speculations about the supply of C-300 immediately passed. Someone argued that Russia would not supply anything, including C-300; others have argued that it will be Russia that will deliver C-300 just in the near future. Various interpretations of Lavrov's words also appeared — a cleaner of those interpretations that Comrade Kojeve, the interpreter of Hegel, gave to the works of Hegel himself, which very few people managed to comprehend in the original source.

The site "Vesti" On the same day, that is, on May 10, a note appeared, starting with the phrases: “Russia stops supplying weapons, Syria will no longer receive C-300 complexes. This was stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, adding that the obligations under the old contracts will still be fulfilled. ”

IA "REX" S. Lavrov’s words seemed to be somewhat loose (quotes when quoting are not found there): “Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Russia will no longer sell C-300 complexes to Syria: Moscow will no longer sell weapons under the same contracts, - ITAR-TASS reported.

In addition to this retelling, an expressive comment was made by the political scientist and the first vice-president of the Center for Strategic Development Modeling Grigory Trofimchuk:

“... Moscow diplomats, they think, have found a universal formula for their justification before Damascus, before history and, most importantly, in front of our own Russian citizens who continue “stupidly” and wholeheartedly love Assad: we are faithful to the former Russian-Syrian agreements, we will not enter into similar agreements in the future, since we are “not satisfied with the terms of the contract.” We are not satisfied that Syria (even if it has been wiped off the face of the earth) does not make timely payments, this is not in partnership. So Syria itself is to blame, not Russia.

It is strange that Russian diplomats know so badly the history of their own state. For example, if Stalin had said the same thing to the Spanish communists, disowning their problems with Franco, the war would have come to Russia already in the 1939 year, immediately after Poland. The present-day Russian Federation will also have to fight - but only in the worst conditions, when she herself will surrender all her partners around the world. All "dictators", "tyrants" and "executioners," one and all. "


There are, on the “REX”, however, other opinions. For example, political designer Yury Yuryev believes that Lavrov’s statement can be interpreted in two ways. According to the analyst, Syria is able to repay debts by rights to land or subsoil. Hence, it is highly likely that Russia will move to a new contractual stage on the basis of clearing according to calculations. It makes sense for Russia to carry out affairs to the end without incurring losses, the political constructor believes. True, if Israel gives Russia any guarantees for Syria or compensates for losses, Russia can be satisfied with this, he said. But the prospects here are bleak: in the future, the Syrian rebels can engage in terrorism around the world. Of course, in Russia.

A completely different interpretation of a possible event is given in the electronic version of the newspaper. "Work" from 14 May. The subtitle (“Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told his EU colleagues why Russia supplies C-300 to Syria”) already prompts the reader to the idea that Russia does not stop deliveries, but carries them out. At the same time, the idea is expressed in the article that the West is aggressively promoting the ideas of invading Syria, for which it is ready to offer something to Russia on political barter.

The material states that during the meeting of Sergey Lavrov with colleagues from the Foreign Ministries of Poland and Germany, the latter “very nervously” asked, why does Russia supply Syria with C-300? To which the head of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs remarked that we are only carrying out the delivery of these complexes under previously signed contracts, and then Russia is not going to conclude new agreements with Damascus. Lavrov recalled that C-300 is a weapon of defense, but this is what “upset” the Germans and Poles.

The observer concludes that the potential ability of Damascus to repel an air threat does not please the Europeans, and therefore, "the question of a foreign invasion of Syria has long been resolved for them."

“... Another thing is that the international“ forces of good ”would like to commit this invasion in the most comfortable conditions, as was the case in Libya, for example. And then suddenly there is a real threat to NATO pilots, who are used to carrying out their democratic bombardments without risking themselves. Who wants to be substituted for such an unpleasant thing as C-300? "


It was then that the speech turned to a tired topic, which should be addressed to the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Poles and Germans reminded Comrade Lavrov of how great it would be for Russians to get visa-free entry into the EU. Subtext: you, in exchange for this generous offer, do not sell C-300 to those countries that we have sentenced to destruction. And you will be "a window to Paris."

“... And in the place of Lavrov, the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of any other country would only happily shriek from such a proposal - won, Bulgaria and Romania, like the members of NATO and the EU, and yet they are not allowed a visa-free regime ...

But that's the whole point, that Russia is not “any other country”, plus the Russians, unlike the Young Europeans, have a very good historical memory - we remember what the European political pragmatics in the 30 of the last century in relation to To Hitler. Therefore, Lavrov acted in this case both decently and pragmatically: we will conduct negotiations on a visa-free regime, but we will not allow Syria to be offended. ”


Therefore, the information that Syria allegedly already received the first batch of C-300, brought confusion in European international affairs. And the attack on Syria seems to be postponed again, the Truda columnist writes.

Information about this allegedly put party of complexes spread in the media with the filing of the London edition of Al-Quds al-Arabi. This newspaper informed its readers that Russia has already delivered C-300 rocket launchers to the territory of Syria, against deliveries of which Israel and the United States sharply object, reports "Sight" with reference to the IA "Cursor". Systems supposedly delivered to Syria, but not yet put into action, and are under the supervision of Russian experts.

The American edition also wrote about it. "WND" (The author of the material - Aaron Klein). Referring to some sources in the "Arab intelligence", the journalist said that the C-300 complexes reached Syria last week. At the same time, Israeli security sources said that there is no information to confirm the Arab messages. And publications such as the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times write that Israel sent a message to the Obama administration, describing a Russian-Syrian deal to sell advanced anti-aircraft missile systems as inevitable. In response, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters aboard the Air Force One on the way to Texas that the administration was aware of the reports and was disappointed that Russia continued to support the “Syrian regime.”

“We consistently call on Russia to stop fueling the Assad regime with Russian weapons, including air defense systems, which destabilize the situation in the region,” Carney said. “We have also been saying for a long time that Russia could play a more constructive role in Syria.”

Anna Analbaeva (network newspaper "Sight") recalls that the C-300 theme was raised during the recent meeting between Putin and Cameron. According to the newspaper Kommersant, she writes, the Russian leader told the head of the British cabinet that C-300 would be delivered to Syria without fail.

On the issue of non-delivery, one cannot avoid silence and the reaction of Israel. She in recent weeks - as a litmus test, allowing you to check the accuracy of certain statements and interpretations. If Tel Aviv is concerned about something, it means that he has a reason. And if Benjamin Netanyahu gathered in Russia, then intelligence reported him to C-300 for Assad. And in general, a series of Moscow visits makes you wonder: Kerry, Cameron, now here is Netanyahu ...

As the RIA News"Russian experts do not expect any "breakthrough" decisions from the meeting of Vladimir Putin with the Israeli Prime Minister.

Boris Dolgov, a senior researcher at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, says: “This (meeting) is quite an important stage in Russian-Israeli relations. But I am not inclined to believe that this will be a breakthrough meeting that will change the relationship. " He adds: “Perhaps the issue of military shipments of Russia to Syria will be raised. But, in my opinion, this should not worry Israel, since these weapons are defensive, air defense systems that must protect Syria. "

According to Yevgeny Satanovsky, President of the Institute of the Middle East, “Netanyahu comes to us with a very specific program on the topic of conversation, instructive and imperative, that we would rather not change the balance of military technology and equipment in the Middle East and not sell C-300” .

The expert found it difficult to predict how the meeting could end, but noted that "Israel ... has something to offer." In particular, "the question is now about the Mediterranean squadron of Russia, where it will be based." "... Near Haifa, it is no coincidence that the landing ship" Azov "just came in for the first time in history."

RIA "News»Recalls that the Russian military ship for the first time in the history of bilateral relations arrived on May 1 in Israel to congratulate the locals, first of all the veterans of the Great Patriotic War, on the anniversary of the Victory.

Thus, a basis for one more alleged political barter appears: non-delivery of C-300 in exchange for the “green light” from Israel to Russian ships. The theme of the revival of the Mediterranean squadron of the Navy - not the last in popularity in the media.

Nikita Sorokin ("Voice of Russia") writes that it is about rebuilding the 5 of the Mediterranean squadron, which defended the interests of the country in the region during the cold war era. Back in February, information appeared that the Russian General Staff was working on the issue of deploying a permanent operational connection of the Navy by the 2015 in the Mediterranean.

The other day, the commander in chief of the Russian Navy fleet Admiral Viktor Chirkov called the estimated size of the Mediterranean group: five to six ships. The group will include submarines and, probably, helicopter carriers of the Mistral type.

According to Comrade Chirkov, the Mediterranean Connection will be formed on a rotational basis from warships and auxiliary vessels of the Black Sea, Northern, Baltic and Pacific Fleets. A training program for staff officers has already been launched, who will permanently carry out the operational management of this group.

In an interview with Golos Rossii, the chief editor of the Arms Export magazine, Andrei Frolov, explained:

“First - after all, Russia still has certain interests in the Mediterranean, and at the same time the region is restless. It is often necessary to respond promptly and quickly, that is, if, for example, to send ships from the Northern, Baltic or Black Sea fleets, this may take some time. When the ships are on a permanent basis, the possibilities for maneuver, including the political one, are much greater. This time. Two is, after all, a kind of political step, a demonstration of the flag, a demonstration of certain possibilities of Russia. Including not only for the countries of the Middle East, but also for European states. ”


According to the expert, a detachment of Russian warships in the Mediterranean can be viewed as a certain element of international efforts to enhance regional stability.

Vasily Belozerov, co-chairman of the Association of Military Political Scientists, speaks of possible high costs, which are likely to be justified - if it is clear what our country's interests are in the region. Finding this squadron in the Mediterranean, he explains, will be expensive, and you need to know why taxpayers allocate money for this.

Tartus is Tartus, and, according to Vasily Belozerov, it must be borne in mind that the current situation is different from the period when the USSR could deploy and support a large naval group. Now the conditions for this are not ideal: Russia no longer has such allies on which the USSR could count.

Returning to the “plot ring” to Israel, it is necessary to point out that as early as Thursday last week the Israeli authorities asked Russia not to sell C-300 to Syria. He writes about it IA "Finmarket" with reference to "IFX-News". The Turkish newspaper Hurriyet wrote about the appeal on Thursday, citing representatives of the Israeli authorities.

Earlier, recalls "Finmarket", "Wall Street Journal", also referring to representatives of the Israeli authorities, said that the implementation of an agreement on the supply of Russian systems C-300 Syria is inevitable. This publication noted that "according to information received by the Israelis in recent days, Syria makes payments in agreement with Moscow from 2010 on the purchase of four batteries worth $ 900 million." The delivery includes six launchers and 144 operational missiles with an 125 range of miles. The first delivery can be made in the next three months.

"If Syria acquires and places these systems, then any international intervention in Syria will be significantly complicated," the newspaper quoted the views of official representatives in the US and the Middle East.

Anna Raiva (9 Channel, Israel), cites the opinion of Nachman Shay, a member of the Knesset, a member of the parliamentary commission on foreign affairs and defense. He believes that the "Assad regime" will fall. At the same time, Putin looks to the future and thinks what step he should take - and is it right for Assad to make “such an expensive gift,” the deputy notes. According to the expert, Putin understands that Israel has a strong position in the Middle East.

But political analyst Zeev Khanin suggests that Benjamin Netanyahu decided to offer Putin a new role: not an antagonist to the West in the Middle East, but a leading partner in a regional settlement. Not only on the Syrian front, but also in the peace process between Israel and Palestine. The outcome of Netanyahu’s meeting with Putin could be this: Russian weapons will miraculously linger on their way to Syria for several months.

In a survey of Israeli sources from IA "REGNUM"in particular, is quoted from isra.com, which states that after negotiations with Netanyahu, Putin will most likely agree not to send C-300 installations to Syria within the framework of the contract already concluded between Damascus and Moscow. In exchange, the West will give Moscow guarantees that the Libyan scenario in Syria will not happen again. Moscow will be ready to sacrifice Assad, but will not allow a sharp change of power in Syria.

On top of that, Moscow today denies the possibility of holding an international conference on Syria at the end of May. On this 11 May, "Interfax" said an unnamed Russian high-ranking source. The reason: the parties still have too many discrepancies regarding the conference format, RFI.

“Obviously, it is impossible to do this without representatives of the opposition,” RIA Novosti quotes a representative of the Russian delegation. Russia believes that the Syrian opposition does not have a “clear center” with which it is possible to negotiate, and who would subsequently assume the fulfillment of the commitments made.

So, the next few days will show whether Russia will fulfill its contractual obligations to the Syrian government. Probably, yes, he will. Experts who believe that the Kremlin is about to hand over Assad, in their interpretations of Lavrov’s statements and analysis of the current situation do not take into account the fact that everything happened quite quickly with Libya, and the Syrian issue has been in existence for the third year. We should not forget about it when it comes to the fact that Russian citizens continue to "stupidly" and selflessly love Assad. " In addition, the Libyan lesson is taken into account by many - and Assad, and people who make decisions in the Kremlin.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. vadimus
    vadimus 15 May 2013 08: 19
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    S-300 is a good deterrent to cool some hotheads, so I think trading is not appropriate here ...
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 15 May 2013 08: 24
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      Libya surrendered Medved.

      And on the S-300 and with Iran it was necessary to fulfill the contract.
      1. Tatar
        Tatar 15 May 2013 08: 35
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        Libya did not surrender anybody; Libya not when it was not an ally of Russia, unlike Syria. Libya was friends with the West, but at some point they did not agree for what it rallied. Ossetia, Syria, these are the countries that are under the wing of Russia, and Russia, in their own way, shows that they will never leave their friends, unlike the same West. so an example to all countries for which there is a lack of dermorcracy due to oil. RUSSIA is your only salvation, and the West will have all the cracks and throw it out and never stand up for you, your ass is always more expensive than someone else's
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 15 May 2013 09: 04
          +9
          Everything is correct. Russia already has enough countries that were helped and then betrayed ... Many began after 91 to disown Russia and vilify it in every possible way. Why shed the blood of Russians for the ungrateful ?! Historically (from the Paleolithic) on the territory of Russia there was an anthropologically heterogeneous population, but which has been living in harmony for tens of thousands of years !!! This is not a delusional theory such as hoaxes, but read the scientific site "Archeology of the Volga Region". Indians, Iranians, Kirghiz, etc. - all lived in the Volga region - this is their historical homeland. Someone dispersed to Iran, India, Kyrgyzstan, etc., and someone remained - Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs and other peoples of Russia. But, this cohabitation was actually more than one tens of thousands of years. On the site "Archeology of the Volga region" in the materials I read that even within the same community people were not of the same type, for example, Caucasoid !!! There was a mixed composition. Surprising but true. So, historically, there was a possibility of more or less friendly and tolerant living with someone.
          And all the others who could not get along were squeezed out to the outskirts. It is not for nothing that the term "Heart of the World" has been used in geopolitics for a couple of hundred years.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 15 May 2013 09: 42
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            Quote: Tatar
            He didn’t give up anybody to Medvedev, not when Libya was not an ally of Russia

            Do not build speculation. Libya was a very large buyer of Russian weapons for real money. There were contracts for tens of billions of dollars in the oil industry, all kinds of construction and no less perspectives.

            Esli это "did not pass", what then "passed"? When will he personally come into your house and put on everyone's head?

            Medved, together with Libya, surrendered the state interests of Russia.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 29
              +5
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Medved, together with Libya, surrendered the state interests of Russia.

              All right, say it! good
            2. Tatar
              Tatar 15 May 2013 14: 03
              +3
              http://www.minfin.ru/ru/press/speech/index.php?id4=6010
              read, that's where the source of the contracts comes from. for all that, Gaddafi supported Sarkozy in the elections, and he himself freed him. Kadafi is a man on his own mind, just the point of helping him? For Russia he is not who. what is there amers ???, then it was worth the help for Agan and Iraq, and this is the bustle of the Cold War without a pseudo official reason. in the case of Syria, a clear example of the fact that we will not give our own at lunch.
              1. Rider
                Rider 15 May 2013 19: 20
                +7
                I advise you to get acquainted


                1. ramzes1776
                  ramzes1776 15 May 2013 21: 15
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                  Quote: Rider
                  I advise you to get acquainted

                  Dimon will be in charge of a computer club, and he will be entrusted with such a country. When will he be sent as ambassador to Libya am
                  1. donchepano
                    donchepano 15 May 2013 23: 46
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                    Quote: ramzes1776
                    When will his ambassador be sent to Libya


                    In Papua ...
                    1. vvvvv
                      vvvvv 16 May 2013 00: 31
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                      No, it meant something else ... :) More evil humor ...
                2. Tankman
                  Tankman 16 May 2013 00: 30
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                  the video demonstrates 2 sides of the views of GDP and DAM, with completely opposite opinions. I am sure that it is not necessary to separate them in this way, because judging by the facts, GDP is behind everything. Why did the GDP decide to do this with Libya ... the question .... maybe concessions on missile defense ?!
                3. Grin
                  Grin 21 May 2013 23: 06
                  0
                  Very, very sad.
            3. optimist
              optimist 15 May 2013 17: 37
              +7
              At that time, GDP was not working as a janitor on the collective farm market either ...
              1. alexdol
                alexdol 15 May 2013 21: 09
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                optimist (2) RU "GDP at that time also did not work as a janitor on the collective farm market .."
                -------------------------------------------
                Quite right, so I also wanted to say about this, and therefore here Medvedev should be considered in tandem with the GDP! Medvedev did a lot to surrender Libya, but where was the GDP? So it turns out that they both need to answer! Today they had a ROKING and again what do we see? The patriots of RUSSIA KVACHKOV, Khabarov and others were quickly sentenced to long terms, and the thieves who caused irreparable damage to the country's defense, such as "Serdyukov and Co.", are still being kept free ?! And already here on this site a seditious thought was expressed that soon Serdyukov could turn from the accused into a VICTIM ??? These are such interesting things. I would also like to say that I did not like the tone of the article: what kind of bargaining with these bastards can there be? Are you guys out of your mind?
                I repeat the thought expressed literally today by one of the site visitors: not us, but they should look for our FRIENDSHIP, catch the difference?
                Stop breaking your hat in front of these nits! What does the West want to achieve together with Israel - complete freedom in "democratic" bombing?
                Summary - to carry out all the supplies to Syria, and at the same time to Iran, here by the way, too, "Mr. Medvedev managed to distinguish himself as the president of Russia. Putin needs to quickly decide who he is - with the PEOPLE OF RUSSIA or with a gang of" Medvedev and K "
                1. optimist
                  optimist 15 May 2013 21: 42
                  +2
                  Putin needs to quickly decide who he is - with the PEOPLE OF RUSSIA or with the "Medvedev and K" gang


                  Yes, he was "defined" from the very beginning by Chubais and Abramovich. Well, the chairman of a gay club cannot be a normal man! laughing
                2. Gregazov
                  Gregazov 15 May 2013 23: 27
                  +1
                  How about memory? Do not remember the scandalous contradiction between Putin, who condemned the attacks on Libya, and Medvedev, who supported the NATO
            4. gispanec
              gispanec 15 May 2013 19: 52
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              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Quote: Tatar
              He didn’t give up anybody to Medvedev, not when Libya was not an ally of Russia

              Do not build speculation. Libya was a very large buyer of Russian weapons for real money. There were contracts for tens of billions of dollars in the oil industry, all kinds of construction and no less perspectives.

              Esli это "did not pass", what then "passed"? When will he personally come into your house and put on everyone's head?

              Medved, together with Libya, surrendered the state interests of Russia.


              It's just that YOU have some kind of strange position-paid. Here I was thrown by the Spaniards and not only me. (12 more LLC, OJSC, CJSC) -... and our government does not care about this topic .... but in Libya, the same PRIVATE PARTIES flew by, and they were "daughters" of pro-government organizations ... so the howl went ... .... I just read and feel touched
              1. vvvvv
                vvvvv 16 May 2013 00: 34
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                Are such matters decided by the government or the arbitration court?
          2. vezunchik
            vezunchik 15 May 2013 10: 47
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            right and the place of Saratov was the Greek polis that ravaged Darius! And the Greeks were here and the Persians came here ...
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 15 May 2013 16: 08
            +1
            Quote: vvvvv
            Historically (from the Paleolithic) in Russia there was an anthropologically heterogeneous population

            European Russia and all Siberia was inhabited by Indo-Europeans, moreover, bearers of the Slavic gene, other newcomers (Finno-Ugric peoples, Mongoloids) appeared much later.
            1. vvvvv
              vvvvv 15 May 2013 16: 26
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              You are deeply mistaken about the Finno-Ugric peoples, for example ... Do you understand the dating of the existence of the Finno-Ugric peoples and Indo-Europeans, hee-hee ?! :) It can be seen that you are very superficial in the subject. According to the "Kurgan hypothesis", when did the very first settlement of the Proto-Indo-Europeans begin? That's right, several millennia later than the same Elshan culture, a representative of the Finno-Ugric peoples, lived here. It was still the Mesolithic ... And the mixing took place not even during the Mesolithic, but even during the Paleolithic. In addition, read about haplogroups and you will see quite well that Russians have high proportions of haplogroup R1a, but there is also a high proportion of the haplogroup of northern peoples - Finno-Ugric peoples ... do not be too lazy to read more about haplogroups and the "Volga Region Archeology" everything is strictly scientific and accurately described, including those concerning anthropology.
              1. vvvvv
                vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 36
                +1
                Someone purposefully minus for the quantity ?! Well, scumbag! Justify who minus what I said wrong!
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 15 May 2013 19: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: vvvvv
                  Someone purposefully minus for the quantity ?! Well, scumbag! Justify who minus what I said wrong!

                  Someone you greatly offended))).
                2. Nick
                  Nick 15 May 2013 22: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: vvvvv
                  Someone purposefully minus for the quantity ?! Well, scumbag! Justify who minus what I said wrong!

                  Probably a "true Aryan" ... laughing
                  1. vvvvv
                    vvvvv 16 May 2013 00: 42
                    -1
                    Now everyone wants to be the main Aryans and they wanted to - from Poles to Germans. Now that the ancestral home has been established, the Tatars (Bulgars), Chuvash, Bashkirs and all those closest geographically have become "in shock" here. They even write in textbooks ... Although in Wikipedia you can see the greatest content of the haplogroup R1a among peoples. It is logical that they turned out to be the Brahmans of a couple of Indian states (i.e., the higher castes that do not mix with the lower ones), but about the Russian Old Believers - there is no understanding ... the content is supreme. The most offensive will be the true Aryans - the Nazis, who oppress the Kyrgyz and Tajiks, because by blood they are much more Aryan.
                    Really, all this is not important. Something there is past. It is important who you are now!
          4. taynik
            taynik 21 May 2013 10: 11
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            Quote: vvvvv
            On the site "Archeology of the Volga region" in the materials I read that even

            Don't get it wrong, but amazing things are often written on fences too. For example, on TVs recently it was said that the Tatar-Mongol yoke actually didn’t exist at all ... Every day is news!
        2. Gari
          Gari 15 May 2013 10: 18
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          Quote: Tatar
          Libya was not when it was not an ally of Russia, unlike Syria. Libya was friends with the West, but at some point they did not agree for what it rallied.


          Good day to all
          Since 1971, Gaddafi "did what was ordered." The United States sorely lacked an Arab nationalist leader who did not hide his hostility towards the USSR. Gaddafi has become for them in this sense a true gain.
          An article was published in the British Asharq Alawsat, which tells about the relations of Muammar Gaddafi with the CIA.
          Who will be surprised by the recent recognition of former CIA director Michael Hayden that in recent years, Gaddafi has been a reliable and key US partner in the war on terrorism.
          And France was closely connected - in France, an investigation was launched into the financing of the 2007 presidential campaign of Nicolas Sarkozy, the ousted ruler of Libya, Muammar Gaddafi.
          That's the way they used and removed, everyone is happy

          But Syria is different - and the principled position of Bashar al-Assad the glorious successor of his father Hafez al-Assad to this confirmation
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 15 May 2013 12: 57
            0
            About "did what I was told" - it's funny. The last years - maybe. Before that - one of the main sponors of that very terrorism. Gaddafi was too unpredictable, abusive, and managed to offend everyone and quarrel with everyone. While it was necessary, everyone kept a good face on a bad game. And when the time came, everyone remembered him.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 15 May 2013 12: 54
          0
          Gadduffy managed to spoil everyone in the region. Libya was not friends with the West, especially in light of the terrorist attacks and Gadduffy’s behavior, but he had oil. And when it became possible for a comrade to substitute a leg, they set him up and remembered everything. Because he managed to encroach on the king of Saudi Arabia, get into a war with Egypt, sponsor terrorists, arrange a series of major terrorist attacks, put Europeans in a humiliated position - so they did not forget anything. But yes, Libya has never been an ally of Russia
          1. Rider
            Rider 15 May 2013 19: 23
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            especially in the light of her attacks


            I do not claim that this was the case with ALL terrorist attacks

            but still...


        4. nycsson
          nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 28
          +3
          Quote: Tatar
          I didn’t let anyone go

          Quote: Tatar
          All right. Russia already has enough countries that they helped and then betrayed ...

          Yeah! request
        5. taynik
          taynik 21 May 2013 10: 16
          0
          Quote: Tatar
          ... and Russia, in its turn, to show that it will never leave its friends, unlike the same West.


          A typical example of Cuba, Venezuela, etc. How many friends were there! Or are you making the difference between Russia and the USSR?
      2. Romn
        Romn 15 May 2013 08: 49
        18
        The words of the heads of Israel, England and other countries reek of insanity, they are opposed to the supply of Syria S-300 openly show a great desire to send there, an army of good, This complex will not help Assad in the fight against terrorists, but it will calm down the ardor of the majority of the presumptuous dogs! Now it’s completely not clear what will happen next and how this whole situation will end, everything becomes very explosive. I hope everything ends well ...
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 15 May 2013 09: 18
          -7
          For Israel, the S-300 is a slightly bigger problem than for everyone else. Israel has fought with anyone in the Arab world. And with Syria. Many Arab countries want Israel not to exist at all. Whether we love Israel or not, it is hardly worth admitting fascist desires for the extermination of an entire country, because some do not believe that it has a right to exist. Why then are such thinkers better than Hitler or the current most aggressive countries of the West, which even then do not lead to the destruction of countries in general, but seek to subjugate them. And if someone is not for "wiping out Israel from the face of the earth", as the Arab leaders have repeatedly expressed directly, then it is necessary to understand that the S-300, in the new and non-Russian war between Israel and the Arab world, can help to realize such aspirations with decades of history. If Egypt, Syria and Iran fall on Israel, and even with the S-300, then not the Iron Dome will help and nothing else. And there, and other secret people will help, such as Turkey. Those. here the matter is much more complicated than just aggression by the West against Syria. There is a whole "venegrette" here, not unambiguity ... Otherwise, Iran and Syria would have had the S-300 for a long time. I don't think Russian diplomats are such stupid or corrupt politicians. In politics and diplomacy there is no term "venality" ... If it is beneficial for Russia not to supply the S-300 for its benefits, then ...
          But it is possible and necessary to threaten delivery. Just for non-delivery and there will be benefits, under convincing guarantees, to dump from Syria, of course.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 15 May 2013 10: 32
            25
            Quote: vvvvv
            For Israel, the S-300 is a slightly bigger problem than for everyone else. Israel with whom just did not fight in the Arab world.

            The problem of Israel is the problem of immune rejection. In a living organism, BV artificially transplanted a dead body. And now either this walking corpse will kill all living things on the BV, or the living organism of the BV with pus will push out a foreign and dead piece.
            You Jews create all the problems yourself.
            It was you who attacked the warring Syria and now they need protection from you.
            1. vvvvv
              vvvvv 15 May 2013 11: 38
              +5
              Why do you write that I am a Jew, if in fact a Jew is you?! ...;)
              And if I wrote something like this about Africa, according to your logic, I mean Niger ?!
              To call collectively within Israel a "walking corpse" of all ordinary people, including Russians and former compatriots, and wish them death is ordinary fascism ... And zeal for Russia's interests has nothing to do with it ...
              1. Aristarch
                Aristarch 15 May 2013 11: 49
                0
                vvvvv))) "" "" Why do you write that I am a Jew .. ""
                Well, all this only confirms that I left you in the posts below)) the people saw through you, you are not our man.
              2. Aristarch
                Aristarch 15 May 2013 13: 43
                +5
                Quote: vvvvv
                ... And the joy for Russia's interests has nothing to do with it ...


                Listen to you, then Russia should not have any interests at all))))
                1. vvvvv
                  vvvvv 15 May 2013 14: 16
                  +1
                  I’m trying to make you understand that directly something in fact may not be beneficial to Russia, which seems beneficial to you. And you don’t even want to think. And here, in different topics, many other people, as I said, have priority for Russia to have strategic benefits, and, for example, not to invest weapons and funds in the infrastructure of countries that will then send Russia and join NATO, etc. There are many examples. All of Eastern Europe and the Baltic states ... Do you guarantee that nuclear weapons and S-300 systems delivered to Iran, could you help him later go against Russia's interests in the Caspian, etc.?! Those. if it is possible to solve the problems of Iran and Syria without strengthening them in their potential against Russia, while still benefiting, then this is preferable. I tried to just say this and say it again. What is not clear?!
                  1. Aristarch
                    Aristarch 15 May 2013 18: 40
                    +7
                    No, you do not say that, and to make it clearer I will give you a certain analogy.
                    Apartment owner; - I will put the alarm on the square.
                    robber; - no, don’t, I won’t rob, it’s better for you, I’ll keep an eye on her, all kinds of preferences are there)))
                    The owner of the quarter .; - if you don’t, what difference does it make if the alarm is on or off.
                    I think the comments are superfluous))
                    1. vvvvv
                      vvvvv 16 May 2013 00: 46
                      -1
                      You are not a master of analogies ... if you stick to your analogy, then you somehow accidentally forgot to mention that I proposed to put a guard at the apartment and additionally biasedly take guarantees from the robber, also threatening that it would be otherwise bad. Did you accidentally "forget" to add all this?
              3. Setrac
                Setrac 15 May 2013 16: 17
                +6
                Quote: vvvvv
                To call collectively within Israel a "walking corpse" of all ordinary people, including Russians and former compatriots, and wish them death, is ordinary fascism ..

                That's just not necessary here to sculpt a hunchback about "ordinary people", the Germans were also "ordinary people", and no one drove our former compatriots from Russia. Although the term "walking corpse" is incorrect, Jews are ordinary fascists.
                1. vvvvv
                  vvvvv 15 May 2013 16: 56
                  -2
                  It seems that this is good - Russian national patriotism. This is so to a certain extent. But, you think that it should be tougher here, and I am showing suspicious gentleness to the enemy, let's say so bluntly. However, since you have already touched the Germans ... By the will of fate, we are now in Russia, and not in the 20s in Germany ... There was no buzz there at that time, the Treaty of Versailles and all that ... And where are the guarantees, that being a German at that time, with your approach, you would not reckon with someone from the outside, you would not "zig" in the forefront ?! There are a number of docks on torrents. films such as "Mit der Kamera an der Ostfront", "Adolf Hitler und das 3 Reich - Sein Untergang", "Berlin in den Zwanzigern" reflecting the mood of the people in Germany at the time. And whoever thinks purely out of his patriotic interests, then at one time he went to kill other nations ... And there were Germans like that, and Jews for sure, and Russians. The line here is not based on nationality, but on the rejection of other people's opinions and interests, the desire to seize and kill. In total, it turns out that you and I agree that ordinary people are capable of being scoundrels. But, after all, you will not argue that among the Jews or Germans, all are 100% scoundrels, and the Russians are 100% soft and fluffy ?! That they need to be exterminated, and we are good. Hitler himself said this ... And you also talk about the Germans ...
                  So, you still have not revised your thesis that all Jews are ordinary fascists and are subject to extermination, as well as the former compatriots who treacherously immigrated? I, too, am not enthusiastic about emigrants, but not so much as to want to exterminate them together with the Jews. :)
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 15 May 2013 17: 44
                    +7
                    Quote: vvvvv
                    So, you still have not revised your thesis that all Jews are ordinary fascists and are subject to extermination, as well as the former compatriots who treacherously immigrated?

                    Another attempt to gently and smoothly fool the goyim. wink
                    Germany after the First World War was humiliated and crushed and the people wanted revenge. As a result, the Second World War began.
                    Who nurtured German militarism on the eve of World War II, who gave loans?
                    The answer today thanks to an Internet known. World financial bigwigs (Zionists).
                    As a result of the war, you managed to castrate Germany and Japan, now you are trying to do the same with Russia.
                    Will not work.
                    And you will receive a true Holocaust, which you have been asking for a long time.
                    You ask him yourself.
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 17: 53
                      -6
                      Quote: ATATA
                      [
                      And you will receive a true Holocaust, which you have been asking for a long time.
                      .
                      oh how scary. For 3.5 of thousands of years, we have suffered so much fear that we still won’t be afraid of the Internet fighters who shame their worthlessness in written horror stories.
                      By the way, "hero", and why in topics devoted to military history or performance characteristics of military equipment, you are not visible. Or is it easier to throw around stamps and slogans?
                      1. Aristarch
                        Aristarch 15 May 2013 18: 30
                        +6
                        I look at the arguments you have run out and are already getting off the topic)) rather, you are the fighters armed with the star of David trying to make black out of white)))
                      2. ATATA
                        ATATA 15 May 2013 18: 51
                        +6
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        By the way, "hero", and why in topics devoted to military history or performance characteristics of military equipment, you are not visible. Or is it easier to throw around stamps and slogans?

                        Read carefully 3,5 millennial you are ours.
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        oh how scary. For 3.5 of thousands of years, we have suffered so much fear that we still won’t be afraid of the Internet fighters who shame their worthlessness in written horror stories.

                        Yes, we don’t need to be afraid! You dig your own grave.
                        You understand that the worst enemies of the Jews are Zionists!
                        But if you don’t understand for 3,5 for thousands of years, now you won’t understand.
                      3. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 19: 10
                        -3
                        Quote: ATATA

                        You understand that the worst enemies of the Jews are Zionists!
                        But if you don’t understand for 3,5 for thousands of years, now you won’t understand.
                        we don’t understand. Only thanks to the Zionists, the state of Israel was revived and our children, the native Israelis, speak the language of Moses, David and Solomon, walk on their land and they do not have to listen to your flat jokes. So I am very obliged to them that for example you personally live from me for many thousands of kilometers.
                      4. ATATA
                        ATATA 15 May 2013 19: 47
                        +5
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        that for example you personally live from me for many thousands of kilometers.

                        But at the same time post on the Russian forum ....
                        The mysterious Jewish soul ...
                        We don’t understand, we have flat humor.
                        "Flat and empty, like a pencil without a lead." (FROM)
                      5. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 19: 55
                        -2
                        And where is it written that this is a "Russian" forum? Here I watch people from Australia to the USA post. This time. And secondly, this is the Military Review forum, not the Internal Policy of the Russian Federation. I wouldn't even go to that forum.
                      6. ATATA
                        ATATA 15 May 2013 20: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        And where is it written that this is a "Russian" forum?

                        He is Russian-speaking. Or will you argue with this?
                        Surely there are such sites in Israel and the United States.
                        Why leave for many thousands of kilometers, what would eventually post on a forum where the Zionists do not like?
                      7. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 21: 32
                        0
                        Quote: ATATA
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        And where is it written that this is a "Russian" forum?

                        He is Russian-speaking. Or will you argue with this?
                        Surely there are such sites in Israel and the United States.
                        Why leave for many thousands of kilometers, what would eventually post on a forum where the Zionists do not like?
                        So what? More people communicate in Russian than Russians themselves. And I repeat, I came here to communicate on topics related to technology and history, by the way this then prevailed here, and recently the forum has degenerated into a political talking room.
                      8. TUMAN
                        TUMAN 15 May 2013 22: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        And I repeat, I came here to communicate on topics related to technology and history,

                        You came here to do dirty work, to carry out subversive work, to glorify Israel and to promote Zionism-fascism! You and your brothers in the shop sprinkled the entire site with saliva.
                      9. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 15 May 2013 23: 29
                        +4
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        and recently, the forum is degenerating into a political talking room.


                        Unfortunately it's true. The marshals leave, and the young patriots and the morons begin to write on every bush that comes across. Sad crying
                      10. studentmati
                        studentmati 15 May 2013 23: 35
                        +2
                        Don't give up, buddy! Real marshals do not leave, but watch what is happening and still have their say. And those who have learned to write comments on the "keyboard" are passing. Remember: "The dog barks - the caravan goes" Everything is in our hands! And it is our right and duty not to turn the site into a writing club.
                      11. vvvvv
                        vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 09
                        +1
                        It’s okay to just write ... It’s not a shame to speak openly about the destruction of Israel, about the Holocaust ... Even if the establishment of a country pursues an aggressive policy and kills people in other countries, this does not give the right to call or threaten the Holocaust than innocent people! This is fascism. Have come. And calm down, I'm not a Jew.
                2. heavytank
                  heavytank 16 May 2013 20: 17
                  0
                  And where is it written that this is a "Russian" forum? Here I watch people from Australia to the USA post.

                  yes it is true, and they all hate the Jews and want to destroy even the smallest opportunity.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 15 May 2013 19: 29
          +3
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          oh how scary. For 3.5 of thousands of years, we have suffered so much fear that we still won’t be afraid of the Internet fighters who shame their worthlessness in written horror stories.

          The younger the nation, the more ancient history they write to themselves. Well, the Jews jumped all over. 3.5 thousand years, only ancient ukry are cooler than you.
        3. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 19: 37
          -2
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          oh how scary. For 3.5 of thousands of years, we have suffered so much fear that we still won’t be afraid of the Internet fighters who shame their worthlessness in written horror stories.

          The younger the nation, the more ancient history they write to themselves. Well, the Jews jumped all over. 3.5 thousand years, only ancient ukry are cooler than you.
          this claim is not to me. There are scholars who claim an even more ancient age, but I prefer to base myself on the first written mention of the Jews. And the Egyptian sources, "Correspondence from Canaan with the Court of Pharaoh" mention the Jews of this age.
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 15 May 2013 20: 04
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          this claim is not to me. There are scholars who claim an even more ancient age, but I prefer to base myself on the first written mention of the Jews. And the Egyptian sources, "Correspondence from Canaan with the Court of Pharaoh" mention the Jews of this age.

          And this "correspondence" was preserved in the original? Or like ALL the ancient Greek and Roman treatises, the originals are lost, copies have come down to us, but the most copy-and-paste ones !!! wink
          I understand that ordinary people are not to blame for the propaganda that the government is shoving, including in the lessons of history.
        5. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 21: 33
          +2
          You will not believe it, but papyrus is well preserved in Egypt. :-))
        6. ATATA
          ATATA 15 May 2013 21: 51
          +3
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          You will not believe it, but papyrus is well preserved in Egypt. :-))

          Especially in those libraries that burned down in the last revolution.
          Rumor has it that this was in the hands of the Zionists. wink
        7. Setrac
          Setrac 16 May 2013 01: 36
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          You will not believe it, but papyrus is well preserved in Egypt. :-))

          The papyrus found in the 19th century cannot be considered anything other than a fake. In what sterile conditions did this papyrus lie that it was dug up and read? You just hang noodles on our ears or you are mistaken.
    2. YuDDP
      YuDDP 16 May 2013 00: 51
      +2
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      but I prefer to be based on the first written mention of the Jews.

      if you could show us not only written references, but also show the material monuments of the history of the Jewish people ...
      Of course, there is the Wailing Wall, but here's the bad luck - it is mentioned in sources of the 11th century. And not the fact that this is the same wall. And more than that, there is nothing but books ...
  2. vvvvv
    vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 16
    -1
    No, the Jews did not evolve, like all people on the planet, but have recently fallen from the moon, where one participant moved here recently (here in the discussions) ... lol
  3. Setrac
    Setrac 16 May 2013 01: 38
    +1
    laughing
    Quote: vvvvv
    No, the Jews did not evolve, like all people on the planet, but have recently fallen from the moon, where one participant moved here recently (here in the discussions) ...

    It was me. I was told by opponents from Israel that the Israelis are out of the reach of Russian weapons. Well, I decided that the mythical state of Israel is on Mars or the Moon.
  4. TUMAN
    TUMAN 15 May 2013 22: 50
    +1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    oh how scary. For 3.5 thousand years we have suffered so much fear,

    I don’t know how in Russia, but in Ukraine you have already begged Bogdan Khmelnitsky for yourself. You have everything ahead. Everything in front!
  5. heavytank
    heavytank 16 May 2013 20: 53
    0
    I think this Aron Zawi (Aronzayval) is not a person, but most likely the Mossad? hehehee
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 16 May 2013 00: 59
    -1
    You still decide why there was the second world:
    - Germany after the First World War was humiliated and trampled and the people wanted revenge. As a result, the Second World War began - the reason is indicated
    - World financial bigwigs (Zionists) - is this not another reason?
    It turns out that the Zionists strengthened-strengthened Germany, exterminated their people with Hitler’s hands, and then (by way of strengthening, apparently) they castrated ?!
    I don’t know whether I’m happy or disappointed that I’ve been little recorded as a Jew, I’m also a Zionist - a financial bigwig ... You would at least throw some money for the indicated level. And then only one insignia issued ...
    In fact, Hitler wrote Mine Kampf long before the actual extermination of the Jews. Those. his wishes were known to the Jews and here they strengthen him for self-destruction, but in the end they are castrated ... Doesn’t it seem to you that your theory is very doubtful ?!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 16 May 2013 01: 42
      0
      Quote: vvvvv
      Doesn't it seem to you that your theory is highly doubtful ?!

      You do not understand why they did this. This is your ignorance of the reasons, and not the lack of incentive reasons for these very World financial tycoons (Zionists).
  • Rider
    Rider 15 May 2013 19: 32
    +5
    Quote: vvvvv
    The line here is not based on nationality, but on the rejection of other people's opinions and interests, the desire to capture and kill


    oh how you said well.
    and in Syria we see who wants to capture and kill.
    and who helps them.

    It’s nice that despite MNOGABUKAF in your posts, and you see the main thing.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 20
      +1
      Of course we see, as well as the fact that here in the discussions they are no less propagandizing to destroy innocent people, speaking collectively. The border of dope should be, but it is not.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 May 2013 01: 45
        0
        Quote: vvvvv
        Of course we see, as well as the fact that here in the discussions they are no less propagandizing to destroy innocent people, speaking collectively. The border of dope should be, but it is not.

        There are no innocent people in Israel, some kill, others support them (financially through taxes), still others use the fruits of the victory of the Israeli fascists, and others support the murderers only because they are their relatives and / or co-religionists.
      2. Rider
        Rider 16 May 2013 09: 27
        +1
        Quote: vvvvv
        The border of dope should be, but it is not.


        and again you say everything correctly.
        with the help of the "Arab Spring" Islamic radicals were brought to power in the countries bordering Israel.
        they love Jews so much that they can’t eat.
        and now Israel is helping thugs and cannibals (LIKE WORDS) in Syria.

        and just like you said:
        The border of dope should be, but it is not.


        Verily, whom God wants to punish, it deprives the mind.



        and you are offended by local anti-Semites.
      3. vvvvv
        vvvvv 16 May 2013 13: 16
        0
        There is nothing to object to.
  • politruk419
    politruk419 16 May 2013 07: 07
    +2
    Quote: vvvvv
    So, you still have not revised your thesis that all Jews are ordinary fascists and are subject to extermination, as well as the former compatriots who treacherously immigrated? I, too, am not enthusiastic about emigrants, but not so much as to want to exterminate them together with the Jews. :)


    Calm, buddy, only calm.
    Russia does not at all seek to support the youthful emissions of the Palestinians and other idiots like "Muslim brothers" who sleep and see how to slaughter the last Jew and finally solve this problem before starting to slaughter first their Christians and then Russians.
    The Arab world is not ... Era is not homogeneous. In the last twenty years, Russia has practically had no interests there. The reason is banal, we were not allowed to have our own interests there. USA and KSA + Bahrain. Sadness. And now we are gradually starting our own interests there. And this is Syria.
    Jews do not need to crush Syria today with bombing. The fact that Nitanyahu is - oh .... inadequate, the Jews themselves know, only Orthodox people voted for him, and ultra-right hawks who rely on them to sit behind the army. He came to power not as a result of direct elections as a result of long negotiations as a result of compromise and a shaky political deal in the Knesset.
    But Nitanyahu always runs ahead of the engine and tries to be an even bigger hawk than the Jews from Wall Street, who are the real beneficiaries of the Middle East mess.
    The S-300 will solve the problems of Syria to repel external aggression and guarantee the prudence of the United States, Turkey and Israel. And Syria has already begun to restore order in itself. In the ranks of bandos fear, panic and despondency. Their atrocities began to acquire a specifically commercial character and are reduced not so much to military stocks as to genocide, trade in organs, and the dribble dough. So Assad’s victory is becoming more real. Russia's task is to finally comply with its interests in the BV. Israel and its destruction by the Arabs - we didn’t rest against us ... for destroying Israel, all this gopa will climb into Iran and then to us.
    Let the Jews sit on their ass evenly and calmly, Assad and Iran have no time for them. But don't fly on the sly on an air safari. There is now an S-300.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 16 May 2013 13: 37
      +1
      I have nothing against what was said. I am only against killing civilians, even Syrians, even Jews, even Russians. And I am for diplomacy and "partnership" as much as possible. Russia is acting reasonably enough, but I also proposed to conduct discussions here in the same vein, and not reacting primitively. Here the place for discussion should be, not pressure and labeling. I can change my opinion, but few people listen to mine.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 16 May 2013 13: 50
        0
        Quote: vvvvv
        This should be the place for discussion, not pressure and labeling.

        For labels, contact the Jews whom you so ardently defend. Again double standards, can Arabs and Russian labels be hung, but not dare to Jews?
        Like a bearded joke: whose friend are you, mine or bear?
  • Maitre
    Maitre 17 May 2013 18: 50
    +1
    What are you explaining to them here? It is not worth throwing beads in front of pigs ... After all, as it was customary in Russia: if a Russian patriot, then by all means a fascist and anti-Semite ...
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 15 May 2013 14: 20
    -1
    Nobody can forbid you to reject the immune system, but to make sense of the need to destroy an entire country with people is inadequate. There are exactly the same women and children as in Libya or Syria. Anyone who has the soul to call for this is no better than Western criminals who exterminated people in Libya and Syria with the hands of mercenaries and NATO bombings. No wonder Putin said in Slovenia that such people should first of all think about their soul ...
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 15 May 2013 15: 07
      +7
      Quote: vvvvv
      He who has the soul to call for this is no better than Western criminals

      Oh!
      What word juggler are you ?!
      I did not call to kill people living in Israel, the meaning of my post was understood by everyone except you correctly. Public education Israel is a stillborn fetus and it is not viable.
      Try now to revive Byzantium, or the Inca Empire.
      Israel, it’s essentially the same.
      And the inhabitants of Israel are killed by those who resettled them there.
      The Christian kingdom of the crusaders in Jerusalem existed for about 100 years, and then it was swept away, Israel is waiting for the same.
      I deeply regret the innocent victims.
      But this is like the law of physics. You don’t step into water twice and you cannot compress a spring to infinity, it will still straighten and hit your hands.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 15 May 2013 16: 58
        -2
        So where do you want to put all the Jews, etc. from Israel ?! :)
        Let’s stick to the real offers.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 15 May 2013 17: 12
          +4
          Quote: vvvvv
          So where do you want to put all the Jews, etc. from Israel ?! :)
          Let’s stick to the real offers.


          It would be nice to the moon, and not only from Israel.
      2. vvvvv
        vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 23
        +1
        So, you didn’t threaten the Holocaust either ?! In Europe, they put me in jail for such a thing ... It seems to me that you need to be somewhat more restrained in your statements in order to be correctly understood. So I understood not only I and above there is a discussion on this subject.
  • Toit
    Toit 15 May 2013 17: 12
    -4
    Quote: ATATA
    The problem of Israel is the problem of immune rejection. In a living organism, BV artificially transplanted a dead body. And now either this walking corpse will kill all living things on the BV, or the living organism of the BV with pus will push out a foreign and dead piece.
    You Jews create all the problems yourself.
    It was you who attacked the warring Syria and now they need protection from you.


    With a large part of the Middle East, Israel has quite a relationship, and if the Saudi initiative is rolled, they will be even better.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 15 May 2013 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: Toit
      With a large part of the Middle East, Israel has quite a relationship, and if the Saudi initiative is rolled, they will be even better.

      I wrote in another topic, that besides your misfortune, these are fantastic abilities to create problems for yourself, you have another misfortune, this is not the ability to evaluate yourself critically.
      This is the idea of ​​a good relationship with neighbors.
      I clearly state:
      1 you are the neighbors everyone wants to get rid of. (Because of your intolerance and arrogance / hutspa)
      2 you are not able to critically evaluate your national character.
  • DmitriRazumov
    DmitriRazumov 15 May 2013 17: 23
    +2
    Quote: ATATA
    The problem of Israel is the problem of immune rejection


    In medicine, this phenomenon is called GVHD - graft versus host transplant. They solve it due to the competent use of immunosuppressants, i.e. suppression of the immune activity of the body. In this case, the organ did not take root until the end, GVHD acquired a chronic character, because Initially, a number of allogenic features of the host were not taken into account. continues to reject the unplanted graft.
  • revnagan
    revnagan 15 May 2013 11: 49
    +5
    Quote: vvvvv
    Just for non-delivery and there will be benefits, under convincing guarantees, to dump from Syria, of course.

    Yes, the guarantees of Israel are not worth the paper on which they will be signed !!! Does history teach us nothing? At what level was the non-aggression pact signed between the USSR and Nazi Germany? At what level were guarantees of non-expansion of NATO to the East given? And What? Well, let's try to step on the rake again, believe the Jews !!! and Western countries and their guarantees. But if you put under the guardianship of the S-300 the sky of Syria is an iron guarantee that air pirates from a neighboring country will not appear in this sky.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 15 May 2013 14: 30
      -2
      Do you propose to abolish diplomacy and its treaties, agreements, guarantees, and act only by military methods, referring to Hitler’s treachery ?! I agree that the lying and treachery of the West is a parable in the tongues, but you too do not go too far ...
      1. vadson
        vadson 15 May 2013 16: 34
        +1
        Quote: vvvvv
        Do you propose to abolish diplomacy and its treaties, agreements, guarantees, and act only by military methods, referring to Hitler’s treachery ?! I agree that the lying and treachery of the West is a parable in the tongues, but you too do not go too far ...

        just need to answer for the bazaar, wrote that you answer, be kind to YOUR family as a guarantee to the state with whom you agreed. not my thought, in the film the godfather looked. then your bibi with Erdogan will know that after the bombing, their children will be sent by mail to them, you know, it’s sobering ....
        and it would be nice if there were disputes between states leaders on mats, totems, parade ground, etc. found out. let Putin with Obama pussy measured ordinary people have to do with it?
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 11
          -1
          Before, they were related for guarantees, passing off daughters as sons of heads of other countries.
          1. vadson
            vadson 15 May 2013 17: 42
            0
            does not channel, before there were monarchies, they ruled for centuries. and now 1 or 2 presidential terms.
            1. vvvvv
              vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 26
              0
              But everyone will have time to get married - it will only be more reliable. lol
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 15 May 2013 18: 57
        +3
        Quote: vvvvv
        Do you propose to abolish diplomacy and its treaties, agreements, guarantees, and act only by military methods, referring to Hitler’s treachery ?!

        What do you think can be considered a guarantee? Signed under a document by Nityanyahu or Obama? Another president (prime minister) will come and an agreement by-bye ... Iron guarantees were in antiquity when ... the hostages of one of the parties acted as a guarantee of the fulfillment of the agreement. it’s an iron guarantee. And the rest is paper. And paper, as you know, will endure everything. Well, if Israel and the West agree to deploy nuclear HE with a button in Russia, it will be an iron guarantee laughing (joke).
    2. Irtysh
      Irtysh 15 May 2013 15: 39
      +5
      Agree to all 100!

      And it’s time for us to live on the Torah in relation to them. For some reason, they can, and why not?

      After all, living on the Torah is not fascism?
  • Romn
    Romn 15 May 2013 12: 54
    +4
    Yes, for Russia, it is likely that all the Arab countries taken together by the allies will become faithful as best friends than Israel. Why is Israel so loving Russia doing everything against it !? Now there can be no conversation with Israel, he is not a friend to us, not a friend !!! We will help Syria, if we save it all the same, it will be our support and the most faithful ally, so they will not forget the good!
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 15 May 2013 14: 37
      -1
      Of course not a friend. But, he doesn’t do it against someone, but for himself ... So everyone does. And as for the Arabs, I wouldn’t roll my lips too much ... Of course, let's contribute to the idea of ​​the World Caliphate ... Tell me at least one Arab country that wouldn’t have such an idea ?! It is necessary to save Syria and an ally from it was and will be. But, trying to establish normal relations with other countries is bad ?! At least not to shit, or maybe support in something.
  • skeptic
    skeptic 15 May 2013 13: 41
    +7
    Quote: vvvvv
    If Egypt, Syria and Iran fall on Israel, and even with the S-300, then neither the Iron Dome will help and nothing else.


    And the robber with a sharpened knife burst into tears: "Well, why are you giving this unfortunate one a shield, and suddenly he will name his own kind, but how will they fall with their shield on my knife, what should I do then? Give me a shield. How can I live now? ? "
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 15 May 2013 14: 49
      -3
      It is more profitable for Russia to constantly be a defender and have benefits from it, than to give weapons to at least someone, with the threat that once someone armed against it would send these weapons. Tell me, why reket in the 90s did not give a one-off means of protection to the wards, so that they themselves could then resolve ?! It’s right to always be needed, to protect ourselves and to benefit from it. You try to find a common language and absolute confidence in your housemates ... Give money to all your closest friends and acquaintances on credit ... You know, although I knew how it would be, I distributed it over 100 thousand already. Do you think they will return ?! No, their own skin and greed are closer ... Gaddafi’s standard of living created for citizens high, but as it was, half the country was on the eve or out of business ... He also benefited Sarkozy’s friend ... It was not in vain that Zadornov burned that creditors were always wet for grandmothers ... How many people worried about Gaddafi, too, and I did, although he was actually a friend of the West, not Russia. And they wanted him a weapon, and the Russians wanted to go to the front ... And from Syria half the country was safely dumped into Turkey, etc., and they are not eager to defend their homeland, if that ... Someone defends, but not all . Russia needs to defend Syria, but do everything wisely, and not invent philosophical abstractions. :)
    2. Irtysh
      Irtysh 15 May 2013 15: 47
      +5
      And they press on the fact that our former compatriots are there. I even have tears welling up.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 14
        -2
        Who knows, maybe the tears won't wrap, even if there will be relatives ...
        But the pain of others is generally a drum ... I can’t just understand why you’re better then ...
        1. Irtysh
          Irtysh 15 May 2013 18: 37
          +6
          Better, not better ... Do not put pressure on pity. They went there, built a real fascist state. Tyranny of neighbors. And they also demand that they not be prevented from bombing Syria. Since the gesheft breaks down the transport corridor to the south of Europe.

          Here people see everything, that's why your efforts to justify the Israeli aggression policy do not work.
          1. igor67
            igor67 15 May 2013 18: 48
            0
            Quote: Irtysh
            present fascist state

            Honestly, how did you run out, what is fascism by definition? This is the superiority of one nation over another. Pancake. My mother is Ukrainian, my wife is Russian, here both Arabs and Bedouins and Circassians all have equal rights, where is fascism? What are the neighbors? Syria? Yes, this state is the only one in the BV that has good relations with Russia, what further did this state not attack Israel? In my opinion, the Russian leadership is now establishing closer relations with Israel, the flow of tourists alone is more than a million, and in other areas of the economy. And who kept Russia in the war with Chechnya, only the Israeli parliament, where Assad was? Why didn’t Possia contain in difficult times? Forgotten already
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 15 May 2013 19: 36
              +3
              Quote: igor67
              Honestly, how did you run out, what is fascism by definition?

              The picture should be looked at as a whole, and not to pull out individual facts. The Jews were originally occupiers in what they called "Israel," and the war is still going on. Jews attack from the start, Arabs defend themselves, preventing Jews from expanding territory. Israel's problem is that it is too dependent on Big Daddy, how long can they hold out without help?
              1. igor67
                igor67 15 May 2013 19: 45
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                Quote: igor67
                Honestly, how did you run out, what is fascism by definition?

                The picture should be looked at as a whole, and not to pull out individual facts. The Jews were originally occupiers in what they called "Israel," and the war is still going on. Jews attack from the start, Arabs defend themselves, preventing Jews from expanding territory. Israel's problem is that it is too dependent on Big Daddy, how long can they hold out without help?

                Let's not talk a lot about history, I don’t know why everyone decided that Jews have no right to live on the land where they lived for several thousand years, even when they were expelled they still remained here under the Byzantines and Turkish rule, why the Bulgarians freed from the Turkish yoke have the right to the state, Syria, also freed from the Turkish yoke, also has the right to its statehood, but Israel does not, only because the British promised the Arabs that they helped them defeat the Turkish German troops, drew the borders as they saw fit, d and also creating states which did not exist at all: Lebanon and Jordan. What's the catch? Yes, Stalin helped with the year-old and with weapons, but why didn’t he let go of people who were already sitting on their suitcases? This is where the problems began, most likely again the British diplomatic stuff
              2. ATATA
                ATATA 15 May 2013 20: 06
                +1
                Quote: igor67
                why the Bulgarians freed from the Turkish yoke have the right to the state, Syria also freed from the Turkish yoke also has the right to its statehood, and Israel does not

                Because they did not leave their land.
              3. Setrac
                Setrac 15 May 2013 20: 09
                +2
                Quote: igor67
                Let’s not talk a lot about history, I don’t know why everyone decided that Jews have no right to live on the land where they lived for several thousand years,

                You have attributed these thousands of years to yourself, the proven history begins from the 10-12th century of our era.
                Quote: igor67
                why the Bulgarians freed from the Turkish yoke have the right to the state, Syria also freed from the Turkish yoke also has the right to its statehood, and Israel does not

                Because the Bulgarians live at their place EVERY PROVEN story, but you were not in the territory of the former Arab state, the invaders in a word.
              4. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 21: 36
                -1
                In the territory where Israel is located NEVER there was no state, except for the Jewish kingdoms and the State of the Crusaders in the 11 century.
              5. ATATA
                ATATA 15 May 2013 21: 52
                +2
                Until the 11th century, this was true.
              6. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 21: 55
                -2
                Name at least one state or state entity that existed on the territory of Eretz Yisrael? This territory was part of various empires, but only Jews fought for its independence.
              7. ATATA
                ATATA 15 May 2013 23: 06
                +4
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                but only Jews fought for its independence.

                Yeah!
                You are still fighting for the world so that where you are there is no stone on one stone.
              8. heavytank
                heavytank 16 May 2013 20: 22
                0
                her Jew, you're right. the sons of Israel deserved this, and they all ended up in one place. ONE place. and one nuclear weapon is enough and boommm. they are not: (((
              9. sscha
                sscha 18 May 2013 04: 40
                0
                Who decided to expropriate it as the most cunning !! Gee, gee !!! hi
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 16 May 2013 01: 32
            0
            Palestine.
          3. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 16 May 2013 20: 29
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            Palestine.
            And what is it? When did such a state exist? What was his capital, borders, history, cultural heritage?
      2. vvvvv
        vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 59
        0
        Google "Map of Great Bulgaria (632 - c. 671)"
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 16 May 2013 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: vvvvv
        Google "Map of Great Bulgaria (632 - c. 671)"

        Sorry, but this card in the original did not reach us, and apparently is a fake.
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 16 May 2013 11: 18
        0
        Quote: vvvvv
        Google "Map of Great Bulgaria (632 - c. 671)"

        This map is drawn in our time on the basis of toponyms, taking as a basis geographical names similar to Bolg (balk, balkh). But most of these names appeared recently, in the 18-19 and even the 20th century.
  • Lankov Victor
    Lankov Victor 15 May 2013 22: 01
    +3
    Israeli Defense Minister said that visitors from Russia cannot have the same rights as the indigenous people of Israel. You can google, the information is not secret.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 23: 04
      +2
      Quote: Lankov Victor
      Israeli Defense Minister said that visitors from Russia cannot have the same rights as the indigenous people of Israel. You can google, the information is not secret.

      Do not be ashamed to carry nonsense? We have a speaker of the parliament from the Union, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs has been from the Union for the past cadence. Yes, only in the parliament of 120 deputies, 15 Russian speakers, and other ministers, mayors, officers? Yes, the past head of the MOSSAD, Meir Dagan, is a native of Novosibirsk. Shame on you, Mr. Good.
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 54
    0
    The fact of the matter is that, in fact, the Arabs began to peck incessantly Israel.
    And now there is an eternal war between the Sunnis and Shiites, to which the West has subscribed with its goals, Israel with its own, Turkey with its own, etc. We have a big Russia and a small Caucasus with relatively peace-loving horsemen, but the situation is the other way around. Islamists are fighting all over Africa. In the Middle East, many forces cannot be counted and everyone is at war with everyone. But, together they are against Israel. I just thought about it from the perspective of Israel. Few people here still will do so. It’s easier not to think at all, but to accuse me that I am a Jew and justify the aggression of Israel. In fact, it is very difficult for me to judge how much whose actions in that region are optimal in the necessary measure of protecting my interests, and from what moment what is happening can be regarded as unjustified aggression. So we want a tougher policy for a strong Russia, right ?! And how to be a weak country, you need not be tough surrounded by hostile forces ?! What is happening in Libya ?! And in Syria. Isn't there mostly Arab mercenaries and groups ?! Arabs fight Arabs in the first place. And this is for the purposes and want to use the aforementioned and not mentioned players.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 16 May 2013 10: 53
      +1
      Quote: vvvvv
      The fact of the matter is that, in fact, the Arabs began to peck incessantly Israel.

      No not like this! First, the Jews (the impudent and cruel nation) began to slaughter the Arabs, and only then the Arabs (generally peaceful, non-militant) began to slaughter the Jews in response to protect themselves.
  • rainufa
    rainufa 16 May 2013 07: 55
    0
    So tell me who the Goi are and how you feel about them? And do not say that this is not fascism.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 16 May 2013 14: 32
      0
      I know there is "goi pasta".
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 May 2013 20: 33
      0
      Quote: rainufa
      So tell me who the Goi are and how you feel about them? And do not say that this is not fascism.

      Goy is "not a Jew", an analogue of the old Russian "nerus". And the second question is not clear at all. I treat each person individually.
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 16 May 2013 01: 30
    -1
    Cite this excuse or do you allow yourself dishonesty from the discussion ?! Or again: good faith, dishonesty ?!
  • brelok
    brelok 16 May 2013 06: 05
    +3
    Quote: vvvvv
    but it is hardly worthwhile to allow fascist desires for the extermination of an entire country, because someone does not believe that she has a right to exist. Than then such thinkers are better than Hitler or the current most aggressive Western countries, which even then do not lead to the destruction of countries at all, but seek to subjugate them

    Forgot how the Jews created this country? How many Arabs killed to make Israel?
  • fortunophile
    fortunophile 15 May 2013 08: 55
    11
    Quote: vadimus
    S-300 is a good deterrent to cool some hotheads

    I completely agree, but no more, otherwise many members of the forum perceive the S-300 as a "magic wand" type brought to Syria and everything around is burning and falling and the sky is locked. A lot will depend on who will sit at the consoles and, most importantly, how the security of the complexes themselves will be organized hi
    Well, yesterday it was officially announced that Russia does not refuse to fulfill the contracts. To those who shout about the surrender of Libya, I want to remind you that, with all due respect to Gaddaffe, he himself decided to invest money not in Russian weapons, but in friendship with Sarkozy and Berlusconi. So "you can't be lovely" hi
    1. krokodil25
      krokodil25 15 May 2013 10: 12
      +4
      It would not hurt to squander the Iskanders + s-300 oh ... mix to the noise.
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 15 May 2013 13: 51
        +3
        Quote: krokodil25
        It would not hurt to squander the Iskanders + s-300 oh ... mix to the noise.


        Well, my friend got excited, can you imagine what kind of screeching of "friends of Syria" will rise if Russia only sells the shield (S-300), and they go to ... "Iskander" is already a sword, from which they generally ...
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 15 May 2013 15: 33
        +3
        Quote: krokodil25
        It would not hurt to smuggle the Iskander

        Your desire is understandable: to protect the people of Syria from Israeli aggression. But only this is all a dream. We will not violate the mn agreements on the non-delivery of offensive weapons - This is, firstly.
        And secondly, only the person who does not value the secrets of the state can put the latest OTP-complex under the nose of Amer and Izikam.
  • SlavakharitonoV
    SlavakharitonoV 15 May 2013 17: 34
    +1
    There are needed not only With 300. There you need to create a new Mediterranean squadron as in the USSR. After all, it was 5 Mediterranean that was the Largest in number in the USSR Navy. Then no one will climb at all. It is worth to house the regiments there marines and paratroopers.

    To fight international terrorism .... tongue
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 17: 58
      0
      Quote: SlavakharitonoV
      There are needed not only With 300. There you need to create a new Mediterranean squadron as in the USSR. After all, it was 5 Mediterranean that was the Largest in number in the USSR Navy. Then no one will climb at all. It is worth to house the regiments there marines and paratroopers.
      :

      A good idea. Syria under the complete control of Russia? I am for it. fellow Of course only at your expense.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 15 May 2013 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        A good idea. Syria under the complete control of Russia? I am for it. Of course only at your expense.

        But if Bibi had proposed, this is at the expense of Israel, then maybe they would have agreed on C-300.
        Pass on the valuable thought to those who follow. wink
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 19: 03
          0
          Quote: ATATA
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          A good idea. Syria under the complete control of Russia? I am for it. Of course only at your expense.

          But if Bibi had proposed, this is at the expense of Israel, then maybe they would have agreed on C-300.
          Pass on the valuable thought to those who follow. wink

          No, it won’t. We need to build an airport near Eilat, a hospital in Ashdod, a port is expanding in Haifa. Yes, and social problems above the roof. Not the men. Of course, I believe that Syria, under the full control of the Russian Federation, is a much more predictable situation, but help is not by sea. Yes, in Russia now, and so much money. Tea barrel at 100 $, not at 30.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 15 May 2013 19: 37
            +2
            So you’re not just like that, but you’ll be betraying for your safety.
            Life is more expensive.
            In this situation, you look and in hospitals free beds will be more painful.
            You think it over seriously.
            It is cheaper than intervention in Syria.
            Oil is ours, but your life.
            There it will be necessary to deploy 100 to help the Syrians, in order to restore order, and this is 000 years. Keep within 2 lards a year with greenery. A trifle, a striped uncle will throw.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 20: 01
              -2
              Quote: ATATA
              So you’re not just like that, but you’ll be betraying for your safety.

              No, really. For our safety, we will rage with our own blood. No other way.
              But in general, you want to be an empire pay. Pleasure is expensive, but if you like it, then why not? Yes health.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 15 May 2013 20: 10
                0
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                But in general, you want to be an empire pay.

                Well no. We are still relatively safe.
                And if you need, then you pay.
      2. Irtysh
        Irtysh 15 May 2013 18: 56
        +1
        For yours, or what? What is the practice of looking into someone else's pocket?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 19: 05
          -2
          Quote: Irtysh
          For yours, or what? What is the practice of looking into someone else's pocket?

          I actually correspond with the Russians. And you would have to get off their investments first, and then do your fingers with a fan.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 15 May 2013 19: 53
            +3
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            I actually correspond with the Russians. And you would have to get off their investments first, and then do your fingers with a fan.

            Belarusians, this is Russian, only white))) In a good sense of the word.
            We all created together. Do not go into our garden.
            You for this have left for many thousands of kilometers. (forgive generously goy flat humor)
            But you get off already with striped investments.
            And then I will only be imbued with sympathy for you, in the hope of investing in the peacekeeping contingent, and you will be able to do it!
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 21: 38
              +1
              Quote: ATATA
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              I actually correspond with the Russians. And you would have to get off their investments first, and then do your fingers with a fan.

              Belarusians, this is Russian, only white))) In a good sense of the word.
              We all created together. Do not meddle in our garden.!
              You definitely said that. I apologize. That's what I don’t want to do is climb into a foreign country with my advice.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 15 May 2013 21: 53
                +1
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                You definitely said that. I apologize. That's what I don’t want to do is climb into a foreign country with my advice.

                But however climbed.
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                I actually correspond with the Russians. And you would have to get off their investments first, and then do your fingers with a fan.
  • Steering wheel
    Steering wheel 15 May 2013 20: 50
    0
    Dumb Zionists cannot understand at all that their bosses the Rhodschilds and Baruchs in the future on maps of such misunderstanding as Israel do not. Anglo-Saxons and other European elites needed Israel in order to reduce the Jewish administrative stranglehold (the Jewish mafia appointed its own offspring everywhere to key leadership positions) Now seeing the example of Venezuela where a Jewish presidential candidate and a couple of bankers decisive liberal pedaras ... cannot play roles because they are in the security forces local patriots. The Rodschilds NEED the third Russian Jews so that they don’t sit and warm their asses behind the US Federal Reserve and work in the administrations of other countries as a fifth column. THOSE WHO UNWAYS WAITING FOR 4 Holocausts (they will be given to the Arabs for eating).
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 21: 41
      -2
      You would have put Hitler yourself instead of Avatars, although this is what you should expect from a Nazi.
  • sscha
    sscha 18 May 2013 03: 55
    0
    In addition, the Libyan lesson has been taken into account by many - both Assad and decision-makers in the Kremlin.


    Politics is a prostitute.
    Russia since the time of Peter fulfilled its obligations. So it was, it will be so, it should be so ...
    And only then there will be FAITH, faith in Russia, which will not betray and will not deceive!
    State relations should be built on trust in the WORD said, and not
    in rhetoric addressed to voters, etc.
    Only RUSSIANS have a concept - "THE MAN SAID - THE MAN DID"
    And the lesson has been taken into account ... And more than once ... hi
  • valokordin
    valokordin 21 May 2013 15: 41
    0
    Quote: vadimus
    S-300 is a good deterrent to cool some hotheads, so I think trading is not appropriate here ...

    S-300 in Syria is very good. If NADO and SRIL are not going to invade Syria, then the S-300 does not threaten them, but if they are going, then? Although this system can work on ground targets at a distance of up to 250 km. And the crews in Syria are now Russian.
  • maratenok
    maratenok 15 May 2013 08: 25
    +6
    if the s-300 will be in syria, then if the nato were afraid only of the fact that in yugoslavia there could be a s-300 as indicated in this article http://topwar.ru/21093-mog-by-zenitnyy-kompleks-s-300-zaschitit -yugoslaviyu.html

    it’ll be fun in general ...... and it will cool the hot heads a lot
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 15 May 2013 09: 42
      +1
      Quote: maratenok
      if s-300 will be in syria

      Maybe then the "hot" Israeli commentators who have already "protested" the C300 in Cyprus or Greece (I don’t remember) and have already worked out a method of suppression will cool off.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 15 May 2013 11: 37
        0
        Yes, yes, the "professor" will personally tell you that he flew and suppressed)
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 15 May 2013 08: 29
    10
    ... "Russia does not plan to sell" ...

    That's right, we will not sell, but simply, take and give Syria C-300 and that's it ... let them knock down reptiles from the sky, and we will consider this an advertising campaign of the Russian military-industrial complex.
    1. 1tankist
      1tankist 15 May 2013 11: 37
      25
      Quote: Bulls.
      That's right, we will not sell, but simply, take and give Syria C-300 and all ...


      good
      They have already been sold, now we need to supply soldier .
      And you can do something like this:
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      2. nycsson
        nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 31
        0
        Quote: 1tankist
        They have already been sold, now we need to supply

        Are you sure about that? Me not!
        Quote: 1tankist
        And you can do something like this:

        This is from the realm of fiction!
        1. 1tankist
          1tankist 15 May 2013 14: 52
          +4
          Quote: nycsson
          nycsson (3) RU Today, 13: 31 ↑ New

          Quote: 1tankist
          They have already been sold, now we need to supply

          Are you sure about that? Me not!


          Why can't I trust the words of Sergey Viktorovich Lavrov, who is the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry?
          I have no doubt about this, Alex.
          Here's the video:
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 15 May 2013 17: 26
            -1
            Quote: 1tankist
            I have no doubt about this, Alex.

            I looked! I agree that the contract was concluded, i.e. sold out! As you correctly noticed, it remains to deliver! Will it deliver?
          2. heavytank
            heavytank 16 May 2013 20: 47
            0
            This German wanted to say: We Germans would like to watch C300 shoot down Israeli bombers and American ones instead. hahahhaha
        2. Irtysh
          Irtysh 15 May 2013 15: 53
          +2
          Why is science fiction? An excellent springboard for testing the alien F-15 and F-16.

          Yes, and you need to tighten the frames on such a safari.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 15 May 2013 17: 29
            -1
            Quote: Irtysh
            An excellent springboard for testing the alien F-15 and F-16.

            There is no bridgehead there. Territories pass from one side to the other.
            Quote: Irtysh
            Yes, and you need to tighten the frames on such a safari.

            From air defense? And who will protect these personnel?
            1. Irtysh
              Irtysh 15 May 2013 18: 39
              +2
              And who is guarding our base? Some shots guard other shots and do not allow others to relax.
      3. heavytank
        heavytank 16 May 2013 20: 48
        0
        Without market Volodya
  • zambo
    zambo 15 May 2013 08: 33
    21
    How the West howled! They go to bow to Putin in a jamb, but he is a fine fellow, he doesn’t accept them in the Kremlin, arranges excursions in Sochi and calmly bends his line. Honestly, for the State - not offensive!

    As before, time continues to work for Assad. Out of the guise of convening a conference on Syria, Assad will continue to cleanse the country from all evil, and our S-300s will be the guarantor of unpunished Israeli air strikes.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 15 May 2013 10: 27
      +5
      For the "west":
      "Do not teach how to live and we will not tell you where to go."
  • vania
    vania 15 May 2013 08: 36
    +6
    we must also teach the Syrians to shoot from this installation, so as not to screw up
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 15 May 2013 09: 25
      +1
      Quote: vania
      ... we must also teach the Syrians to shoot from this installation, so as not to screw up ...

      Judging by the Turkish "Phantom" they shot down, teach them, only spoil them, they will cope on their own, we just need to put on the S-300, will, so to speak, show ...
      1. aepocmam
        aepocmam 15 May 2013 12: 36
        +2
        I think that the Syrian calculations for the S-300 have long been trained in Russia and the entire infrastructure for the complexes and their location are also ready. This, at least, has always been done in the USSR. First, training, then preparation of locations and infrastructure, and only then delivery, installation and debugging on site.
        1. Check
          Check 15 May 2013 16: 00
          +1
          I also think that the calculations have already been trained, and it seems to me that it was at the recently held exercises that were discussed.
      2. Irtysh
        Irtysh 15 May 2013 16: 08
        +2
        And also supply the right amount of S-300 to Iran. Then, exactly, the situation will begin to approach idyllic. Somehow, everyone will want to bomb the neighbors.
  • aleckbond
    aleckbond 15 May 2013 08: 42
    +2
    Libya surrendered, you can’t surrender Syria, the S-300 is a deterrent. Otherwise, we will soon be left alone. Then NATO will dictate its laws to us.
  • Son
    Son 15 May 2013 08: 43
    +2
    "Sergei Lavrov does not believe that Syria can be attacked from the air: that would be fantastic. According to him, this weapon" is intended so that, in this case, Syria has the opportunity to defend itself from air strikes .. "
    What is it like..? A muddy atmosphere, the impression is that they are "putting a smoke screen" ...
    No matter how they "played" and quietly surrendered Syria ...
  • k220150
    k220150 15 May 2013 08: 44
    +4
    A question should be asked. Who is the "godfather" of the State of Israel? THE USSR! What happened next with Israeli politics? Do you want to march on the same rake again? Create a naval base in Haifa.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 15 May 2013 08: 53
      -2
      Here I am about the same ... I understand you. Russia needs to take advantage of the situation for itself, and not start a war and not arm someone unnecessarily and thoughtlessly. The same Iran has its own views on the Caspian waters and Persia - it is still a historically empire too ... Throughout history, there has been a war of empires. And they are trying to crush the empire, to prevent it from being reborn. Otherwise, then from under the influence you will not get out for a long time or never.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 May 2013 08: 48
    +1
    It's fun or not fun, but in case of betrayal of Syria, some people will have to pack their bags. In this case, no one will forgive betrayal. This is well understood by VVP: there is nowhere to retreat. Tomorrow is Syria, the day after tomorrow, Iran, and then Russia. How long can you jump on the same rake. And enough to believe these "democratizers" that they forgot Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq and other antics of these cannibals?
    1. aepocmam
      aepocmam 15 May 2013 12: 52
      +2
      Tactically, by "handing over" Syria, Russia can cut itself a bunch of dividends (get the abolition of visas for travel to EU countries, "guarantees" not to accept Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and the EU, and much more), but, strategically, it will lose everything, and sovereignty and, God forbid, statehood.
      1. Irtysh
        Irtysh 15 May 2013 16: 15
        0
        And they promised us not to bring NATO closer to the borders of Russia.

        We have already heard these promises. And nishtyaki from the west are very ephemeral.
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 15 May 2013 08: 48
    -9
    Think hard - sending the S-300 to Syria or Iran is not Russia's best target. Personally, this is not directly beneficial to Russia, and perhaps it is a "double-edged sword." The Americans also supplied the Taliban and others in their time ... Yes, and we threw a lot of everything around the world that went to dust and fell into the hands of the enemy, or who became an enemy, or no longer another ...
    To guarantee something should not S-300 in the wrong hands, but Russia !!! It is beneficial for Russia to obtain guarantees of non-aggression against Syria (of course, very, very convincing) and some other preferences. So that Russia becomes a distributor in BV. I’m sure that Russia is achieving this and that’s all, God forbid, it seems to be heading towards that.
    I believe that Russia has every chance of becoming a key player in the BV. Russia does not seem to directly control any forces of the "one camp" (which is not delineated, but can be formed, for example, Shiites and Syria with Iran, Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood, etc.), but it can control indirectly, i.e. .e. diplomatically. And if the situation changes and who is being broken in now, they will soon begin to break into Qatar or Saudi Arabia, etc., then Russia seems to be out of business, and again it may be very necessary to influence and again get preferences, only by strengthening your influence.
    I expressed myself somewhat chaotically and only slightly outlined the direction of thought, but I hope all of you will also be interested in thinking in this vein ... This is not just a primitive saber rattling, especially since the actual use of the S-300 or the intervention in Syria or Iran meant would be a big war (which I hope no one will go for), but more subtle diplomatic maneuvers that can bring benefits to Russia! If I understand this, then our diplomats understand it all the more. Everyone needs to understand this, not "move": let's get the S-300 and start the mess. After all, no one sane needs war. And if there is indignation from aggression, then there is no need to act in the same way, but it is better to simply beat and subjugate, "lower", in simple terms, technically ... The West plays "Chapaev with checkers", while Russia plays chess. The only question is who will be able to impose the game. "Chapai" clearly does not channel with the S-300 and the strategic nuclear weapons, which means that the enemy does not have a combination or even the necessary pieces on the board. Therefore, strategically, they will lose the game. Although they still continue to hammer Syria out of inertia.
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 15 May 2013 09: 35
      -4
      And here is the "Chapay" with minuses crept up ... :)
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 15 May 2013 10: 13
      +3
      Quote: vvvvv
      then Russia seems to be out of business, and again it may be very necessary

      This is what the United States is doing all over the world when it puts its proteges as presidents. Earlier, the USSR also did this, and had quite a few of its proteges in different countries. But after losing in the Cold War, present-day Russia has already lost those levers, and now it is trying at least something restore or hold. It so happened that for hundreds of years Russia has constantly defended itself from other countries, created friendly countries around itself that will take the first blow against the aggressor. During this period, Russia has less power, but it’s not destroyed protect and help others. so the S-300 is also a diplomatic move, and even if it’s a bluff, it worked laughing it was enough to say the word S-300 as everyone was scared laughing and if you say the word TOPOL-M then what will happen? laughing
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 15 May 2013 15: 16
        -1
        I agree with all that has been said, but I will add once again that if it is possible to build a buffer without the threat of losing or redirecting weapons after losing the buffer itself, as in the collapse of the USSR, then this is exactly what you need to do. We have experience ...
    3. ATATA
      ATATA 15 May 2013 10: 16
      +5
      So that Russia becomes a distributor in BV. I’m sure that Russia is achieving this and that’s all, God forbid, it seems to be heading towards that.

      Yes, we don’t need to appoint us to look after BV.
      You know what the Russian people want, he wants the West to answer for the unjust humiliation of Russia in the 90s. When the majority of the population became poor, when NATO trampled upon all the promises given to the Tagged. Well, Israel is part of the golden billion, as well as one of the most consistent enemies of Russia in practice.
      So, at the first opportunity, Russia should punish the arrogant and selfish Western barbarians. And we the people of Russia will be happy to look at your torment.
      I put it a little chaotically and only slightly indicated the direction of thought, but I hope it will be interesting for all of you to reflect on that as well ...
      wink
    4. Aristarch
      Aristarch 15 May 2013 10: 16
      +2
      nickname "vvvvv" Well, how did your impressions come true?)) Do you have a chance?
      How subtle, I would even say softly, unobtrusively trying to persuade to Israeli interests. Do we need this?
      Do you dare to compare the Taliban with the Syrian army? it goes beyond the boundaries of common sense.
      You are offering Russia a place for breeders in BV)) in fact, Russia already has its authority there, whether you like it or not, it doesn’t matter.
      And we are not interested in thinking from the perspective of Israel - why? I think the answer is obvious.
      How famously you manipulate such concepts as aggression, subjugate, omit, beat))
      Your post creates the image of a "man" who is trying to form an opinion, ideology, in a word, pursuing his goals. For example, you cause a complete resemblance to the character from the cartoon "Prince Vladimir" - PRIEST OF PERUNA KRIVZHU.
      In a word, your informational and ideological impact did not find understanding here)))
      Russia has its own vision and understanding of problems in the BV and you should not impose your own.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 15 May 2013 10: 42
        -3
        Only now the official position of Russia is closer to my opinion, and all because I am reasoning objectively and unemotionally, like some who think only of some kind of revenge and cheers. There is real politics and diplomacy, but there is, excuse me, the crowd that the very West is successfully pushing to the slaughter in Syria under some slogans. I just wanted here to be reasoning of people objective and less emotional. I just wrote with an open mind, and I am minus those who think very subjectively. It may be so in some part, but DIPLOMACY AND FOREIGN POLICY ARE NOT CONSTRUCTED. You write intelligently, which means that you will understand me all the same, although you may not find the courage to admit it ... Here, all the pisses are minus, speaking out insufficiently belligerently and cheers-patriotically. And I will not bend my opinion under this. The trouble is that there is such hypocrisy everywhere that allows the Force to dictate injustice. Everyone here complains about injustice in the 90s, etc., but they themselves are no better ...
        1. Aristarch
          Aristarch 15 May 2013 11: 27
          +4
          I see no reason to talk about diplomacy, to talk about geopolitics with you, because you do not need this. Because you are here with your bucket of water. Therefore, I will be brief.
          In fact, you are offering a deal with conscience, yes that is exactly what you understand perfectly well. And conscience, as you understand it, is more demanding of what we do and will do, it is worse than any prohibitions, a taboo. Our people still cannot forget how we surrendered Yugoslavia and many are ashamed and there are many such examples. This is one aspect.
          The other is that we will lose ourselves and will not be able to identify ourselves from a historical point of view. And this will ultimately lead to the loss of the Russian state.
          In conclusion, I want to say, no matter how anyone would like, but the role of Russia in the world arena will grow and it will be able to stand not only for itself, but also for those who need it.
          And here's another thing: if Israel had abandoned its dominant role in the BV, then it would have had much less problems, development does not mean to be aggressive.
          1. vvvvv
            vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 20
            -3
            I'm talking about Thomas, and you are talking about Yerema ... Although I do not mind what they just said ...
            I just didn’t understand about the deal ... Your thoughts come with speculation or misunderstanding.
        2. Fin
          Fin 15 May 2013 12: 57
          +6
          I read all your conclusions. Everything is somehow slippery, there is a lot of "anthropologically heterogeneous" text, the main idea of ​​which is that Russia should spank more with its tongue, do nothing really, and then everyone will reckon with it. And through all the posts the benefit runs like a red thread, and if it doesn't shine, then let's go to ...

          Quote: vvvvv
          If it is beneficial for Russia for its benefits not to supply the S-300, then ...

          A masterpiece of thought.

          Quote: vvvvv
          Russia needs to take advantage of the situation for itself, and not start a war and not arm someone unnecessarily and thoughtlessly.

          Three S-300 batteries - are they redundant weapons? "Unleash a war" which is in full swing.

          Quote: vvvvv
          To guarantee something should not S-300 in the wrong hands, but Russia !!! It is beneficial for Russia to obtain guarantees of non-aggression against Syria (of course, very, very convincing) and some other preferences.

          From whom is the guarantee? From the Yankees, Britons and Israel? Were you born yesterday? To whom did they give guarantees, even one example? And where is the word "profitable"?

          Quote: vvvvv
          but DIPLOMACY AND FOREIGN POLICY ARE NOT CONSTRUCTED.

          You don’t see what the guns already say there? Diplomacy ended a long time ago.
          Put things in order in your head.
          1. skeptic
            skeptic 15 May 2013 14: 39
            +2
            vvvvv (3)

            Thank God that there are those who understood and plus me.

            It is just that the minuses can no longer be put (to the greatest regret), but the pluses from the Euro-elders and the like, to impart "division of views."
          2. vvvvv
            vvvvv 15 May 2013 15: 04
            -4
            1. About "to do nothing" - you have invented something yourself.
            2. Tell me something in our world that is done without benefits? Are you serious?!
            Russia has strategic and tactical benefits. Now clearer ?!
            3. I remain of my opinion - if the situation can be solved only by intimidating, but not supplying the S-300, then there is no need to supply it. This, for example, will provide an opportunity to intimidate in the future. And so you deliver it to everyone, and after 5 years, we will begin to divide the Caspian and the complexes, and someone will deploy against us, even if not Syria, but someone. And if Syria is taken from the inside like a color revolution, then the complexes will fall into the hands of the enemy. We have already lost a huge amount of money. Still not clear what I mean ?!
            4. Russia is successfully and continues to solve everything "diplomatically" in a broad sense. What are you, yourself, personally, in any conflict, get a shmasser and bring down your opponents ?! Why, if it's enough to scare ?! You should always refrain from extreme measures and keep them in stock, because this is the point of no return ... Also not clear ?!
            1. skeptic
              skeptic 15 May 2013 15: 44
              +1
              Quote: vvvvv
              I remain of my opinion - if the situation can be solved only by intimidating, but not supplying the S-300, then there is no need to supply it. This, for example, will provide an opportunity to intimidate in the future.


              Well, my friend, I'm bastard from you. How many times to repeat (until what time do you have a working day?), What is the point of threatening a robber with a knife, a shield that lies at home, and the robber has already poked a couple of times and without consequences for him. You should not keep others for suckers, you have to work with your head. "Jupiter you are angry, then you are wrong."

              PS For the dull ones. The S-300 is an air defense system, which is a weapon of self-defense, not aggression. Only a potential or obvious aggressor can protest against this complex, because he can suffer losses that exceed the "benefit" from the seizure of foreign territory.
            2. Fin
              Fin 15 May 2013 16: 33
              +1
              Quote: vvvvv
              1. About "to do nothing" - you have invented something yourself.
              2. Tell me something in our world that is done without benefits? Are you serious?!
              Russia has strategic and tactical benefits. Now clearer ?!
              3. I remain of my opinion - if the situation can be solved only by intimidating, but not supplying the S-300, then there is no need to supply it. This, for example, will provide an opportunity to intimidate in the future. And so you deliver it to everyone, and after 5 years, we will begin to divide the Caspian and the complexes, and someone will deploy against us, even if not Syria, but someone. And if Syria is taken from the inside like a color revolution, then the complexes will fall into the hands of the enemy. We have already lost a huge amount of money. Still not clear what I mean ?!
              4. Russia is successfully and continues to solve everything "diplomatically" in a broad sense. What are you, yourself, personally, in any conflict, get a shmasser and bring down your opponents ?! Why, if it's enough to scare ?! You should always refrain from extreme measures and keep them in stock, because this is the point of no return ... Also not clear ?!


              I answer the resident of Israel (ATATA immediately saw through), or their co-religionist in the CIS:
              1. Gather all your latest comments and analyze, it all comes down to the fact that you don’t need to touch Israel, because people live there miserably. But didn’t they notice that in Syria the war and 60 thousand were already killed with your help?
              2. In this case, we push the various rabble and Yankees from their borders. And without benefits and sometimes even to the detriment of oneself, a lot of things are done in our world. It is a pity that the Pepsi generation does not know this.
              3,4. I can’t imagine how you can scare the "friends of Syria" to get scared, stop bombing and everyone fled the country. Can you share your experience? The point of no return has already been passed.
              And the S-300 in 5 years will be like the S-75 now so there is no fear.
              1. vvvvv
                vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 46
                0
                1. All normal people should be sorry. Specifically, in Syria, the Arabs, mercenaries, are being killed and shot just the same. The fact that this is with the filing of the West, Israel, etc. - is undeniable. For the killed Syrians and anyone else, I believe that all those directly and indirectly guilty should be hung by the eggs until they are settled. However, as well as those who would kill innocent people in Israel or any other country. But you, unfortunately, do not understand or do not want to understand what I am saying ...
                2. +
                3,4. Aren't you scared ?! Once again: I DO NOT SAY THAT UNDER ANY TERMS AND CONDITIONS DO NOT BE DELIVERED WITH-300, WHAT IF IT COULD BE DONE, IT WOULD BE BETTER. and IF IT ISN’T, IT IS NECESSARY TO DELIVER. I don’t know, many here in French need to write something to understand ?!
            3. aquatic
              aquatic 15 May 2013 17: 20
              0
              Quote: vvvvv
              that actually using the S-300 or intervening in Syria or Iran would mean a big war

              for you that the use of s-300 against Israel is aggression? this is the same as the intervention of Israel and others like Syria as aggression)) Lavrov, listen clearly everyone said this DEFENSE WEAPON, are you ready to forbid someone to defend themselves? don’t fly where you shouldn’t; sit in your house; don’t go to the neighbors and the S-300 is not dangerous for you.

              You know why Russia is not afraid to give up the S-300, we are not going to bomb Syria, we are not afraid of their defense weapons.
              1. vvvvv
                vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 56
                0
                Read above ....
                Add more. The use of S-300 could be in case of intervention, right ?! The intervention could probably lead to a major war, at least a regional war, right ?! The use of the S-300 could still be in the case of provocations, which in the future could also lead to expansion into a major war. Syria is deliberately provoked - it’s clear to everyone. And she practically cannot answer, because then open intervention will begin. In the case of the presence of the S-300, this can somewhat moderate the ardor for intervention, but not exclude the possibility anyway. They can spread the tomahawks by launching more than 150 pieces ... Recently, Israel inflicted damage to Syria by bombing, striking without entering the territory of Syria. If the planes were not shot down over Syrian territory before they launched a missile strike, then the whole West would have yelled that Assad is lawless and would have begun the intervention. I only state the fact that from such a moment a war could begin. And not who would be right or wrong and what it would depend on. Just a fact.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 16 May 2013 00: 40
                  0
                  Now let's consider your "fact".
                  So, the Jews are bombing Syria from Lebanon. Syrians with the help of C-300, and even C-200 backlit from the sea by our ships, bring them down in Lebanon. From the international legal point of view, who is the aggressor and who is the victim? Of course, the aggressor is the Jews.
                  Then, of course, you are right, there will be a howl that Assad shot down the Jews in neutral airspace. And they would prefer to remain silent about bombing from this space. And, yes, this can serve as a "pretext" for aggression.
                  BUT what prevents zapadentsev themselves create any occasion? They were already above the roof. From a downed phantom to explosions in Turkey. And for every Syria they could already be rolled out.
                  So IF the Westerners need a reason, they will ALL the same find it. But with the S-300, they may simply be "afraid" to look for it. Is this clear?
                  1. vvvvv
                    vvvvv 16 May 2013 07: 12
                    0
                    I wrote: Syria is deliberately provoked - it’s clear to everyone. In the case of the presence of the S-300, this can somewhat moderate the ardor for intervention, but not exclude the possibility anyway. You write the same thing and ask if it is clear to me ... Where is the logic ?!
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 36
                      0
                      I am writing something else. I write that Westerners do not need to provoke anyone. They can invent any reason. Remember. Maine, Pearl Harbor, 11th September. Remember the "shelling" of a German radio station by the Poles.
                      Therefore, do not be afraid of incidents. Zapadentsev have already swallowed down a phantom from the Syrians and shells flying into their territory. So it is necessary to put complexes, it is necessary to put our calculations on them. It is necessary to introduce peacekeepers from the CSTO. Only in this way will we protect Syria and protect our investments in this country.
            4. alicante11
              alicante11 16 May 2013 00: 33
              0
              Obviously, about the "color revolution", it has already failed there, if you don't know. The rest is said in the post below.
              1. vvvvv
                vvvvv 16 May 2013 07: 13
                -1
                It will not in the future rule out attempts at revenge ?!
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 40
                  +1
                  So the technology is worked out. In fact, the orange revolutions have already outlived themselves. Look, Belarus, Libya, Syria, Iran, quietly crushed their oranoids. However, the medicine for the orange was shown by the Chinese in Tiananmen Square.
          3. Irtysh
            Irtysh 15 May 2013 16: 32
            +1
            If I understand VVV correctly, it’s beneficial to be strong. Therefore, Russia should not be shy about supplying defense systems to countries that need it. It is beneficial to Russia.

            It is also beneficial for Russia when Western countries are consistent in their promises. Therefore let them fulfill what they promised. Here the list of promises people roll out at a time :)

            How can Israel benefit Russia? Transfer technology for the production of multiple chips? Is it profitable to exchange Syria for IT?

            Can exchange it for strawberries or potatoes from Israel? It seems that we will survive without it.

            Port in Haifa? Do not make me laugh. Today they will give access, and in two weeks they will close it. NOT profitable for Russia.

            What other benefits? Interesting to listen. Just list by points.
            1. vvvvv
              vvvvv 15 May 2013 18: 08
              0
              1. Yes, if in the future it cannot Russia itself spill over sideways.
              The logic is this: let's arm all citizens with powerful weapons so that they can legally defend themselves from aggressors ?! This is a good analogy. But tomorrow, a law-abiding citizen will cling to and start to be rude :) In the USA, this is a problem.
              2. Yes, it is necessary by any means to come to ensure that promises and agreements are kept. However, I do not exclude retaliatory measures in case of violation of contracts. But, one must come to inviolability of guarantees.
              3. I do not propose to exchange Syria. These are your speculations. You know how to read, then re-read and think what is said. And it is said that if it is possible to solve problems without supplies, then it is necessary to solve it. Accordingly, if not, then supplies are needed. Is it really necessary to lay out everything like children in syllables, otherwise free interpretations will follow - who will carry whom ?!
              4. That’s necessary so that they don’t close it. We return to step 2.
              5. Maybe it’s interesting for me, but to go deep for a long time. Moreover, hopes for an unbiased attitude are all the same small ... Orally, you can still talk about something, but here too long to write too much to get the necessary understanding.
              1. Irtysh
                Irtysh 15 May 2013 18: 44
                +1
                Well, in the fifth paragraph and ambush. This is as before the fifth column in the personal file. ;)

                Syria and so it turns out more profitable.

                And Israel has always been a bad partner, both in life and in business.

                I can recall the supply of systems to Georgians, and the preparation of attacks on Russian peacekeepers, and in the future also an information war about this.

                I understand that business is business, well, do not bother Russia from doing business with its partners in the BV.
                1. vvvvv
                  vvvvv 15 May 2013 18: 48
                  -1
                  Need to be bad and stay?! ...
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 41
                    0
                    Such a partner is not needed at all. There is a more reliable, proven.
                    Remember the old saying. "An old friend is better than two new ones" (c).
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 15 May 2013 15: 57
          +3
          Respected. "Real politics" should ALWAYS be aimed at protecting and strengthening the Motherland. What do we have in the case of Syria. By helping Syria, we retain an ally who, after this war, who would not have taken out Russian supplies and loans, is literally tightly tied to Russia. Syria will never pay off the debts it has incurred thanks to Western aggression. On the side of the "axis of good" to the forces of Assad, even without him, the path is barred. The West will not forgive such a jab and such financial losses. And the example of Gaddafi, who licked with the Westerners, on the face. In addition, Syria remained our ally even in the country's disastrous 90s. So this is a proven ally.
          Although your example of al-Qaeda is in color. What did she annoy with amers? Only helps. It creates pretexts for invading countries, fighting for amer interests in Libya and Syria. So the amers have also created a normal ally for themselves.
          So, while maintaining an ally, Russia maintains its position, its strength.
          Now let's see what happens when Syria is surrendered. Russia will be given a base in Haifa and will be "appointed" as "breeders" in BV. Maybe they will even give Gazprom an opportunity to invest in new gas on the shelf. Yummy? But it’s unlikely that you can eat it. Israel or amers are somehow dependent on Russia? No, can Russia threaten them with something serious? No. So who will prevent, after the fall of Assad, to throw our fleet out of Haifa and throw Gazprom. What can Russia do in this case? If it does not have a single base on the BV, and its own territory is hundreds of kilometers away. How will she "breed" if she has no power there? So, surrendering Syria, Russia is weakening its positions and this does not in any way benefit it, you must agree, probably.
          So, in light of what has been said, which politics is more "real", the surrender of Syria or its support to the utmost?
    5. vvvvv
      vvvvv 15 May 2013 11: 25
      +2
      Thank God that there are those who understood and plus me. And God forbid that Russia's foreign policy is built primarily on the benefit of Russia itself, and not thoughtlessly and impulsively. A normal person doesn’t use weapons or force unnecessarily, but only threatens them ... And those who are prone to incontinence, rejection of a different opinion - these begin to rush at people and use weapons for nothing, for example, such stories are full on YouTube - sometimes by trivial traffic situations or accidents. And then they are imprisoned or rebuffed, overestimating their strength. So you can say: why the hell are you sitting here in the forums ?! For a long time you have to be with your militancy in all the hot spots, how much you have altered the language of affairs everywhere ... P ....
      1. Aristarch
        Aristarch 15 May 2013 11: 43
        +2
        You are wrong, you touch on the emotions and behavior of one person, even if it’s a destructive, special case, as an example from YouTube and give this out in understanding in foreign policy. Do not replace one with another.
        If you are really so much concerned about the topic of reformatting our society in your direction, then you can see with the naked eye that our society, your "OS" has rejected. It found itself, was cured of 90g. became proud of its history and will be its successor.
        You are only wasting your time, the other effect of your actions is that you strengthen our faith even more, but also the proportion and hostility towards you are growing.
        Believe me, there is no point in your actions.
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 15 May 2013 13: 39
          -2
          What one person?! ... It seems that you do not understand what you have read, but somewhere "on your own" wave and interpret and conjecture something completely different than what is being said. Aggression in our society, since it comes to that, is very unnecessary and is not directed at Jews or something like that. And on their own fellow citizens. And people like you will also find some kind of excuse for their aggression. No, not aggression from just retribution for something, no need to "la-la", any aggression has the same essence - dark irrepressible and demonic principles. Well, like maniacs. For normal sane people are not fixated on the desire to destroy and torment someone, hiding behind various pretexts. Believe me, EVERY PERSON IS EARLIER OR LATE TO OVERCOME WHAT HE SOWS. And what kind of faith you have ("strengthened") - one can only guess ... Fascism ?!
          1. vvvvv
            vvvvv 15 May 2013 14: 07
            -1
            It should be noted that more than once I did not minus the one who minuses me and who disagrees with me ... Some people can only rise up only by belittling others. They have always been and are in any team. Usually they are nerds at heart, but in order not to be "under the plinth" themselves, they look for the weaker one and drive down the other instead of themselves.
            Anyone at some stage of life may have some kind of weaknesses and thoughts, but a normal person will develop and move away from insignificant approaches in life in at least something. Minor acts are the destiny of insignificant people. I do not specify someone with this. And I urge from primitive statements and reasoning to move on to more sane ones - just. And I was nominated ... I said something wrong, bad ?! No! Just hooked on someone's only gyrus. Is anyone incapable of Padlyansky naminusovat quietly, be rude or offer to destroy the whole country ?! In general, this is called lawlessness and chaos themselves end up like that. Other People (with a capital letter) speak out and reason more carefully.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 15 May 2013 15: 30
              +4
              Listen, I didn't minus you, but I'm already pretty fed up with your sermons of "good" from the evil one.
              It scares you that if Syria gets the C 300, then Israel will not be able to deal with air robbery with impunity, and 300 Israeli nuclear warheads scare me.
              And the preaching of "good" from the evil one and "universal human values" we have already passed in "perestroika" and in the 90s, how it ended, everyone remember very well.
              1. urganov
                urganov 16 May 2013 16: 12
                +1
                And why did you begin to ascribe this phrase to your opponent: "it scares that if Syria gets C 300, then Israel will not be able to engage in aerial robbery with impunity"? You twist, sir.
          2. skeptic
            skeptic 15 May 2013 14: 56
            +1
            Quote: vvvvv
            No, not aggression from just retribution for something, no need to "la-la", any aggression has the same essence - dark irrepressible and demonic principles. Well, like maniacs. For normal sane people are not fixated on the desire to destroy and torment someone, hiding behind various pretexts. Believe me, EVERY PERSON IS EARLIER OR LATE TO OVERCOME WHAT HE SOWS.


            I read and bastard. Well, to what extent the children of Israel love their troubles, to cling to others. It is certainly understandable - double standards. Well, not to the same extent. You guys are sick, because all of the above is written about Israel and its ilk.
            1. vvvvv
              vvvvv 15 May 2013 15: 20
              -1
              I don’t know what you use there that makes you go crazy and you see “the children of Israel” ... :) Hehe. Maybe in the Old Testament they read what recipe ?! Share ?! ;)
            2. Irtysh
              Irtysh 15 May 2013 16: 39
              0
              If I am not mistaken, then this is called sophistry. We urgently need to learn from us :)
              1. Metlik
                Metlik 15 May 2013 17: 14
                0
                Quote: Irtysh
                If I am not mistaken, then this is called sophistry. We urgently need to learn from us :)

                More precisely pilgrimage.
          3. Vladimir_61
            Vladimir_61 19 May 2013 23: 17
            0
            Quote: vvvvv
            Believe me, EVERYONE HAS EARLY OR LATER IT WILL FIND WHAT HE SOWS

            Who knows, he believes. I'll bring you back 2 thousand years ago. Not only every person sows, but also nations. Now think in this direction: what was done on the Jewish land at the indicated time. We can say: the harvest has become closer. Sincerely: Do not teach what you know little about.
      2. vvvvv
        vvvvv 15 May 2013 11: 44
        -7
        Probably, the local quiet minusers experience perverted sexual satisfaction from their activities ... They are here on the site just for the sake of rating and are ... Marshals and generals ... I generally put a few minuses on the site for all the years. I haven’t put it at all for a long time, because I respect the opinions of others.
        And I consider lovers to be minusers by shit in life ... This is where their psychological type is manifested. I may have minuses, but because of this I will not be hypocritical here and give up my opinion.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 15 May 2013 16: 03
          +3
          For example, I minus you. Because you say nonsense. A realpolitik is DEALS, not WORDS. And even if we talk about the benefits. Then they must be SECURED. If our activity in Syria is successful, there is provision. In the case of the surrender of Syria - all the goodies only from the goodwill of the Westerners. And we know their goodwill well. We have been studying for more than a hundred years.
          1. vvvvv
            vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 28
            -1
            It is also diplomacy. My disagreement with some participants in the discussion is strictly that, due to the traditions of this site, they are prone to radicalism and simplification, which is unacceptable in real politics. I would summarize this way: people who do not doubt even one iota in the absolute truth of their opinions on complex issues.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 16 May 2013 14: 38
              0
              The West understands only the diplomacy of power.
    6. skeptic
      skeptic 15 May 2013 14: 26
      +2
      Quote: vvvvv
      Everyone needs to understand this, not "move": let's get the S-300 and start the mess. After all, no one sane needs war. And if there is indignation from aggression, then you do not need to act in the same way, but it is better to just beat and subdue, "lower", in simple terms, technically ...


      Oh, these European Cossacks, with little Jewish ideas. Don’t poke your little knives and nobody will rush to set a shield against you. But the war really, no sane need, except Israel, it will suit a simple slaughter of already wounded Syria.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 15 May 2013 15: 24
        0
        I am sure that if you lived in Israel, you would have sang a completely different song ...
        And here we are and we differ in that you evaluate everything only from the position of personal interest, and not objectively. And if you and I were residents of Israel, you can be sure that you would now be equally active in speaking out against Russia and for the bombing of Syria, and I would not change my position. So conclude, whose position smacks of hypocrisy ...
        1. Irtysh
          Irtysh 15 May 2013 16: 45
          +1
          What is one reason why I would like to live in Israel? Climate? People? Thirst for watering the Arabs?
          1. Toit
            Toit 15 May 2013 16: 47
            0
            Level and life expectancy
            1. Irtysh
              Irtysh 15 May 2013 17: 16
              +4
              I doubt that in such heat and near Kasamy my life will be longer. Also forced to serve in Tzahal. And the standard of living you are holding on now, because there is a free investment from the United States. The source is running out already.

              Whether it is our forests, lakes, fields. Winter skiing, summer mushroom berries. Fishing all year round. Do you really think that all this is worth exchanging for the hot desert and dumb evil neighbors?
              1. vvvvv
                vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 32
                0
                And where do they go ?! Already someone suggested sending to the moon :)
                What other suggestions ?!
                1. Irtysh
                  Irtysh 15 May 2013 18: 48
                  +3
                  What did not sit in Birobidzhan? And the territory and resources and there are no wild neighbors who in ancient times stepped on a corn;)
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 49
                    0
                    Wait, they will still lead our ghilyaks, Ulchi and other Drujens so that the Arabs will appear to them cute kittens :).
                2. alicante11
                  alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 47
                  -1
                  Unfortunately, I was banned for this offer on this pro-Jewish website. Do not want anymore.
              2. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 19: 14
                0
                Quote: Irtysh
                Do you really think that all this is worth exchanging for the hot desert and dumb evil neighbors?

                Not worth it. You are there, and we are here. Somehow we live away from each other.
                1. inbous
                  inbous 15 May 2013 20: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Not worth it. You are there, and we are here. Somehow we live away from each other.

                  Exactly, you just have to live and live there, you left your former homeland in order to better arrange your ass ... and nothing more! But in reality it turned out that on the spot the locals do not consider you people (came in large numbers). And the most vile of all this that you sit there, and spit in the country that raised you - because of malice. Do not spit in the well ....
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 23: 09
                    0
                    Well left and glory to Gd. They freed you jobs, apartments, cottages. Reduced career competition. Well then bad? Some advantages for you. Well, don't worry about us. We’re like something.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 51
                      +1
                      Yes, we actually take care of ourselves. You, too, do not give life to neighbors there. And our friends were among your neighbors.
                  2. vvvvv
                    vvvvv 16 May 2013 07: 33
                    +3
                    This is not an exhaustive vision. I believe that there was a deliberate luring of Jews as one of the elements for the destruction of the USSR. They tried to immediately divide the peoples and push them together. Jews did not occupy the last places in culture, science, etc. In the USA, Israel, etc., the best minds were often intentionally drawn. And now the situation is such that they were still taught to hate Russia. And now spitting is not in one direction, but mutual ...
                    When people think primitively and declare to fellow citizens of other nations that Russia does not need them, send them to the moon, separate the Caucasus, etc., then this all contradicts Russia as an empire and its disintegration will continue. It is far from complete. Other "faults" were also created - for the separation of Siberia, the Urals, the Far East. In general, the topic is extensive, I only caught the edge ... But, instead of trying to understand the interlocutor, here, as I see it, the goals are different - to scare me a little, throw it down, blame something. This is not a place for discussion, but some arena of struggle for rating, against interlocutors, and not a reasoned discussion. Some attacks and nothing more. I was no longer registered as Jews, Zionists, etc.
                    And in the late 80s, such an ass started that someone really took the ass on time ... Many would not have survived the 90s, especially who would try to build a business.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 16 May 2013 14: 44
                      +1
                      Excuse me, but the Jews did not occupy the last places only in trade, farce and scams. I think that the USSR, and then Russia, was not very impoverished by the outflow of representatives of these specialties. Moreover, they were well replaced by our Caucasian compatriots.
                2. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 15 May 2013 22: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Not worth it. You are there, and we are here. Somehow we live away from each other.

                  It’s already 22 of the year, somehow, we’re interrupting without you, we are all waiting for you to return.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 23: 10
                    0
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    Not worth it. You are there, and we are here. Somehow we live away from each other.

                    It’s already 22 of the year, somehow, we’re interrupting without you, we are all waiting for you to return.

                    I rated the joke. good
                    1. saturn.mmm
                      saturn.mmm 17 May 2013 22: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      I rated the joke.

                      Honestly, your joke is equal to mine.
                      Until 91, Jews, Ukrainians, and Russians lived with us. The national question did not soar anyone; there were mixed families between all of the above. Usually your comments were without a national bias for which, personally, I have a particularly respectful attitude towards you.
                      Several of my childhood friends live in Israel.
            2. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 15 May 2013 21: 55
              +1
              Quote: Toit
              Level and life expectancy

              Some are slowly slipping away from level and duration, for example, to Canada.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 23: 14
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Quote: Toit
                Level and life expectancy

                Some are slowly slipping away from level and duration, for example, to Canada.

                You see, here it is all looked easier. People who have lived for a long time in the USA, Canada, France and returned to Israel work with me. And there are those who have successfully built a career there, so why should they drop everything?
            3. alicante11
              alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 45
              0
              Oh well, I know those who went to Jewishstan and returned. It is good to go there only to our pensioners.
          2. vvvvv
            vvvvv 15 May 2013 17: 29
            0
            I mean hypothetically ...
          3. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 16 May 2013 17: 36
            +2
            What is one reason why I would like to live in Israel? Climate? People? Thirst for watering the Arabs?


            For example, you would be born a Jew :)
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 16 May 2013 07: 44
          0
          But we do not live in Israel. But in Russia. And in this gangster’s nest I would never want to live for anything.
      2. vvvvv
        vvvvv 16 May 2013 07: 36
        0
        You see the Cossacks in the wrong place ... Read the news better "Ilya Ponomarev called on the opposition to war with the Russian people."
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 16 May 2013 14: 45
          0
          Well, does it make you think? Could not persuade to surrender Syria, again I raise the "swamp bogey".
    7. Irtysh
      Irtysh 15 May 2013 16: 21
      +1
      If Russia supplies air defense systems to both Syria and Iran, then, in addition to the benefits from sales, the benefits from other sides will increase sharply. The West will swallow and become more accommodating in other directions.

      And the presence of a visa-free regime with Europe in general cannot be an element of bargaining. It’s more profitable for them than for Russians.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 16 May 2013 14: 47
        0
        Well, Iran and I would not supply. Still, the Persians are dark horses. They can be supported politically. There, in the Security Council to cover up, but I wouldn’t deliver weapons to them. Moreover, Iran is a creature of the Chinese. So let them deliver their little balls to them.
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 16 May 2013 19: 48
          0
          I practically said the same thing ... I did not say that it was not necessary to supply Syria at all, but only if you could do it.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 15 May 2013 08: 49
    +3
    But there are cases where the S-300 was used in real combat? Which country used the S-300 against real enemies?
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 15 May 2013 09: 36
      +3
      Quote: djon3volta
      but there are cases where the S-300 was used in real combat?

      No. S-300 never took part in real hostilities. Operating countries often carry out S-300 firing exercises, on the basis of the analysis of which by various experts it is recognized as a very combat-ready air defense system.
      S-300 systems have approx. 20 countries of the world, including the USA, which bought it in Belarus.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 15 May 2013 09: 54
      +2
      Quote: djon3volta
      but there are cases where the S-300 was used in real combat

      S-300 never took part in real hostilities. Operating countries often carry out S-300 firing exercises, on the basis of the analysis of which by various experts it is recognized as a very combat-ready air defense system.

      In April 2005, NATO conducted exercises in France and Germany under the name Trial Hammer 05, the purpose of which was to develop techniques for suppressing enemy air defense. [62] [63] Involved countries were pleased that the Slovak air forces provided the S-300PMU, as this gave NATO a unique opportunity to get acquainted with the system.

      And so, experts from all countries generally recognize this system as the most effective (I’m silent about S400)
    3. Bykov.
      Bykov. 15 May 2013 10: 46
      +5
      Quote: djon3volta
      ... and there are cases where C-300 was used in real combat? Which country used C-300 against real enemies? ...

      There is such a sign - "Where the S-300 is, the enemies do not fly and wars are not waged", who wants to, from the sky to the ground, with a guarantee ...
  • Metlik
    Metlik 15 May 2013 08: 50
    +7
    First, we tear down the signed contracts to please the West, then we wonder why India doesn’t choose our weapons in tenders.
  • Canep
    Canep 15 May 2013 08: 56
    +3
    Thus, a basis for one more alleged political barter appears: non-delivery of C-300 in exchange for the “green light” from Israel to Russian ships. The theme of the revival of the Mediterranean squadron of the Navy - not the last in popularity in the media.
    This can only happen if the Jews give a piece of the coast into the possession of the Russian Federation on the rights of the Russian Federation. Again it can. In the future, a gas pipeline through Syria could seriously damage Russian gas supplies to Europe.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 15 May 2013 08: 57
    10
    citation-A Western journalist asked for clarification that Russia allegedly “plans to sell Syria S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems”. Comrade Lavrov said in response: “Russia does not plan to sell, Russia has long sold and completes the supply of signed equipment contracts, which are anti-air systems. " He added: “This is not prohibited by any international standards, it is a defensive weapon.”

    S. Lavrov, although he does not directly speak about the supply of C-300, but indirectly in my opinion this is confirmed by the following points.
    1. Two phrases,Russia has long sold and second “This is not prohibited by any international standards, it is a defensive weapon.”
    2: So NATO has not yet established a no-fly zone.
    3. The United States and NATO allies are cautious about Syria, unlike the situation in Libya.

    All these signs, in my opinion, confirm the availability of the Syrian leadership and C-300 systems.
    The question is why now everyone is alarmed, in my opinion explored, apparently only now received. laughing
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 15 May 2013 09: 38
      +8
      Quote: Apollon
      In my opinion, they’ve been explored, apparently they’ve just received
      Somewhere in Israeli forums it slipped that, allegedly, during their last raid, they were spotted by the radars of the S-300 complex, that they were worried, now I started looking for something request , I can’t even imagine that censorship exists in such a democratic country winked
  • omsbon
    omsbon 15 May 2013 09: 02
    +9
    Nothing enhances the country's prestige like honest fulfillment of its contractual obligations!
    Believing the Jews and the West is dearer to yourself!
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: omsbon
      Nothing enhances the country's prestige like honest fulfillment of its contractual obligations!

      Well yes! Especially with the west! They signed all heresy after the collapse of the USSR and completed it in full, but they didn’t! But Iran was thrown with C-300 in full!
  • artemiy
    artemiy 15 May 2013 09: 07
    +2
    The mongrel lined up for Putin!))) And the S-300 is already in Syria! And let them yap in their booth! And we have allies!
  • SCS
    SCS 15 May 2013 09: 28
    +3
    let the duck on supplies to Syria S-400 and skim the cream yes and the S-300 will be delivered anyway!
    1. Yuras222
      Yuras222 15 May 2013 11: 12
      0
      Do not let the "Duck" go, but put it in Tartus to protect the base, declare to all objections that the S-400 was not sold to Syria, but only at our base, to protect it.
  • igorgar
    igorgar 15 May 2013 09: 34
    15
    I am just sure that Putin will not surrender Syria. I consider him the most powerful politician. Of course, in many issues there are certain claims to him, but if it were not for him, Syria would have fallen long ago. As long as Russia stands and Syria stands. that: we are not at war with anyone, we are not attacking anyone (unlike Western crap), but for some reason we are considered potential aggressors. Although, by and large, Clinton, Bush Jr., and the "peacemaker" Obama should have to appear before the court. But, damn it, who will put them in prison, these are the "lights of good."
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 15 May 2013 09: 38
    +7
    Or maybe in Syria "poplars" "plant" so to speak, not a big public garden! Well it just came to mind. Estimate how many people will queue up to GDP)
  • fellow misha
    fellow misha 15 May 2013 09: 56
    25
    “We consistently urge Russia to stop fueling Assad’s regime with Russian weapons, including air defense systems that destabilize the region

    It is interesting how the air defense system (a purely defensive weapon) can destabilize the situation, in short already for pi pi pi pi. A dull west, it feels like he wants to see similar pictures from his still warm and cozy countries.

    The photo was taken in Syria, it’s terrible and extremely unpleasant to look at it, but we must know THIS. the text says that violence against unrighteous women for jihad warriors is not adultery and further abomination.
    1. Bezarius
      Bezarius 15 May 2013 10: 20
      14
      As far as I am a calm person, it wildly infuriated me. I hope each of these scum will be caught and given the most terrible death you can imagine.
      By the way, these scum just covered in every possible way religion, because there is such a thing: http://oneislam.ru/?p=841

      It's time to send troops and destroy all the scum, dot. Countries that are preparing to level them.
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 15 May 2013 10: 49
        +7
        Yesterday, a video was shown on the first channel as a field commander ssa cuts a heart from a Syrian soldier and eats. belay I'm just oh ... l!
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 15 May 2013 11: 10
          +7
          Quote: krokodil25
          They showed a video of how a field commander ssa cuts a heart from a Syrian soldier and eats.

          wrote yesterday
          this one that bites the cannibal "ordinary" ... but those countries and people who set and direct them cannibals of the "highest" level .. they let entire nations under the knife. and these cannibals are in the USA, England, Israel, Turkey, Qatar .. Erdogan cannibal six.

          and it is imperative to remember .. where the west begins "liberation" wars and "democratic" revolutions, there I begin to slaughter people on the organs and this cannibalism of the west and the Zionists began for a long time ..... just encrypted well ...
          in order to cut the organ "correctly" you need a specialist ...
          In order to properly transport the body, you need equipment and excellent logistics
          In order to transplant an organ, you need a specialist, equipment and, in general, an excellent clinic
          and most importantly need a client / patient .....
          and the authorities went to countries such as Italy for example .. but what about the border guards customs? documents for the transported body?
          PS.
          um, as far as I can remember, only the rabbis of the Chabadniki openly say that non-Jews are just grazing for the "Jew" and to which Bush went to the reception and Barak Babamka.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 34
          +2
          Quote: krokodil25
          I'm just oh ... l!

          The same nonsense! What the hell? request
        3. Irtysh
          Irtysh 15 May 2013 16: 55
          +1
          This is so democratic. Something seems to me that Obama looked and said Wow! Israelis also pinned it?

          Why are you helping these freaks? I hope that the presence of the S-300 will significantly reduce the influx of such a rabble.
      2. Vladimir_61
        Vladimir_61 21 May 2013 10: 29
        0
        Quote: Bezarius
        exterminate all scum

        Sadists are dense ignoramuses. Hell prepares for himself a man on earth, while still in the earthly body. The compensation will be, the decomposition of the constituents of consciousness is appalling. It is better not to have an expression in physical form than to stoop to an animal state. In a word, they already receive their reward.
    2. krest.ros
      krest.ros 15 May 2013 10: 46
      +3
      I will remember it and remember at the right time ...
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 15 May 2013 12: 00
      +3
      Quote: comrade Misha
      The photo was taken in Syria, it’s terrible and extremely unpleasant to look at it, but we must know THIS. the text says that violence against unrighteous women for jihad warriors is not adultery and further abomination.

      S.U.K.I. I want to kill !!!
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 43
        +3
        Quote: revnagan
        S.U.K.I. I want to kill !!!


        Quote: krest.ros
        I will remember it and remember at the right time ...

        As if this m.r.a.p.oz.t.a. did not get to us on someone else's command !!!
        1. Irtysh
          Irtysh 15 May 2013 17: 01
          0
          I hope our specialists will be able to explain to them that in Europe, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel they will be fatter. There is a lot of money there, even if they are taken directly there. Without intermediaries.
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 39
      +3
      Quote: comrade Misha
      The photo was taken in Syria, it’s terrible and extremely unpleasant to look at it, but we must know THIS. the text says that violence against unrighteous women for jihad warriors is not adultery and further abomination.

      Something I do not understand. It’s kind of like propaganda of violence and bullying, it turns out !?
      Where did you get this photo? Just tin!
      If yesterday the first one had not shown how one reptile is eating a heart, he would not have believed it! crying
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 15 May 2013 14: 26
        +3
        Quote: nycsson
        If yesterday the first one had not shown how one reptile is eating a heart, he would not have believed it!

        What can I say, this full-time woman cut out the fruit of pregnant women and played football about it, they also told me about it in the beginning of the 13th year in January. If we don’t stop this in Syria, these subhumans will be in Russia, and that’s just mattresses and to their friends p ... am and it is necessary! angry
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 15 May 2013 17: 39
          +2
          Quote: krokodil25
          .If we do not stop this in Syria, these subhuman will end up in Russia, and this is just the mattresses and their friends ... we need!

          I agree. I have repeatedly spoken out on this subject. The Caucasus and Central Asia urgently need to be strengthened!
      2. fellow misha
        fellow misha 15 May 2013 14: 45
        +5
        There were 13 girls, it happened in Aleppo. Googling you will find, they write that these photos are already "walking" in American and European forums.

        It is necessary to supply Syria not only the S-300, all available funds in the LEND-LIZ, it is necessary to destroy rabid dogs there, it will be too late to come here.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 15 May 2013 17: 46
          +1
          This is how Assad's supporters are executed!

          http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20120802/195957279.html
          1. inbous
            inbous 15 May 2013 20: 57
            +3
            Quote: nycsson
            This is how Assad's supporters are executed!

            And all this with the support of the "civilized" West and Israel.
      3. Simple
        Simple 15 May 2013 18: 44
        0
        "..Something I don't understand. It's kind of like propaganda of violence and bullying, it turns out!? .."

        This is inciting ethnic hatred.
    5. Simple
      Simple 15 May 2013 18: 40
      +1
      "The text says that violence against unrighteous women is not adultery for jihad warriors."

      There is no such postulate in the Qur'an.

      This expression has nothing to do with the surahs and verses in the Qur'an.
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 15 May 2013 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: Simple
        This expression has nothing to do with the surahs and verses in the Qur'an.

        You tell those who do this.
        1. Simple
          Simple 15 May 2013 23: 47
          0
          "You tell those who do it."

          Those who do this are also not related to the tenets of the Koran,
          or generally something spiritual.
          A rabble of criminals committing war crimes.
      2. Bezarius
        Bezarius 16 May 2013 11: 00
        0
        Regarding unrighteous women, and generally Christians, whom those girls are:

        http://oneislam.ru/?p=841
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 16 May 2013 11: 24
          0
          Quote: Bezarius
          Regarding unrighteous women, and generally Christians, whom those girls are:

          http://oneislam.ru/?p=841

          In our time, only Orthodox can be called Christians. Catholics, Protestants and other sects are no longer Christians. They call themselves Christians, but they have not been such for almost 1000 years.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 15 May 2013 10: 18
    +1
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    Medved, together with Libya, surrendered the state interests of Russia.

    Did Putin smoke bamboo at that time?
    It turns out they act on the principle of the Roman consuls, in a day they command
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 15 May 2013 11: 18
      11
      Quote: Pilat2009
      Did Putin smoke bamboo at that time?
      It turns out they act on the principle of the Roman consuls, in a day they command

      - Putin was prime minister and tried to influence the situation. But in a harsh manner, he was told through the media that “there is nothing to flap!” You remember this rather harsh speech of Medvedev. At that time he was the President of the Russian Federation. It is you in your cooperative and the office "Horns and Hooves" you can play games "let me be the chairman, and next week you will be the Chairman, but in real life and in fact, so that the desk does not fall apart, I will steer, even in those weeks when the chairman is not me! " You can play these games in the office; on a national scale, everything is a little different. If you have been elected President of the Russian Federation, then you are exactly the President of the Russian Federation, and for this period no prime minister is a decree for you.
      In general, many people really have such a depressingly low level of understanding that one is amazed. Putin is to blame because he is in charge. Dot. And he is not omnipotent. Example? OKAY, the Federal Air Transport Agency banned flights over Syria, because it seemed to the pilots that someone in Syria had fired at the plane. Now the Emergencies Ministry will have difficulties even with military aircraft, because the Federal Air Transport Agency is prohibited from flying over Syria. And here Putin will not help and is powerless. Because there is a zone of responsibility, in this case, the head of the Federal Air Transport Agency in the official duties spelled out that he is obliged to take measures for flight safety. He used them, and Putin cannot cancel them. More precisely, maybe, but with the words "I take responsibility!" And tomorrow the very first Russian plane over Syria will be shot down - I don’t know who there are enough well-wishers, and very technologically advanced ones. Because Putin will never say that. And any sane person would never say that. There is a division of areas of responsibility. If I don’t accept anyone’s work in my job, NO ONE CAN MAKE ME DO IT. But they can take for me, accepting for me and my responsibility.
      Sometimes think with just a little bit of your head. For some reason, everyone thinks that since the President means automatically everything that happens in Russia with the knowledge and personal order of this President, and if without his knowledge it means a weak President. I gave an example that there are situations when this simplified formula does not work at all.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 15 May 2013 10: 20
    +2
    I think the complexes are already in Syria. Just not deployed. Back in the spring, when the 6th striking strike of Syria resolved, our fleet had 6 landing ships. No one then understood what they were doing there. And here is what. They brought the order. I think that the Syrian specialists in the operation of air defense systems are actively training.
  • Opera
    Opera 15 May 2013 10: 23
    +2
    The question of whether there is S-300 in Syria or something else in this regard is rhetorical i.e. does not require an answer!
    Better ask the "heroes" of the Western Air Force why they are still not doing what they love ?!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 May 2013 10: 42
    +3
    Oh, how the natosrovtsy warned that he would fly (in the case of Syrian aggression) under the ass of three hundred!
  • Nomad
    Nomad 15 May 2013 11: 10
    +2
    Quote: Bezarius
    As far as I am a calm person, it wildly infuriated me. I hope each of these scum will be caught and given the most terrible death you can imagine.

    Such freaks need to be planted on a count. Just right for them.
  • pawlo77
    pawlo77 15 May 2013 11: 11
    +3
    Well then, the autonomous republic of Syria is part of the Russian Federation! in all eyes poke out))))
  • Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx 15 May 2013 11: 23
    +3
    "If Syria acquires and places these systems, then any international intervention in Syria will be significantly complicated," the newspaper quoted the views of official representatives in the US and the Middle East.
    S-300 is not a panacea, it just doesn’t work out how to bomb and kill defenseless people as usual, you’ll have to pay the honest blood of your soldiers, and wrappers will have to spend a lot more.
    Anna Raiva (Channel 9, Israel) cites the views of Nachman Shay, a member of the Knesset, a member of the parliamentary commission on foreign affairs and defense. He believes that the "Assad regime" will fall. At the same time, Putin looks to the future and thinks which step is more appropriate for him to take - and is it right to make Assad “such an expensive gift”, the deputy notes. According to the expert, Putin understands that Israel has a strong position in the Middle East.

    If Assad leaves, the people will remain, the army will remain, the backbone will remain, and most importantly, the people have already understood who the Islamists, Salafists and Wahhabis are. And no one wants the Islamists to slaughter, kill and rob them, so let them go with their revolution in .....
    In a review of Israeli sources from REGNUM news agency, in particular, a quote from isra.com is given, which states that after negotiations with Netanyahu, Putin will most likely agree not to send S-300 installations to Syria within the framework of the agreement between Damascus and Moscow contract. In exchange, the West will give Moscow guarantees that the Libyan scenario in Syria will not be repeated. Moscow will be ready to sacrifice Assad, but will not allow a sharp change in power in Syria.
    Believe the world .... -Massons can’t, they have always deceived us and are now deceived. Today they are aiming for Syria, and Russia has plans for tomorrow: to bring down prices, to rebel, to break up like the USSR - then ... - the masses will have dances and a celebration.
  • Patriot2012
    Patriot2012 15 May 2013 11: 27
    0
    “The expert found it difficult to predict how the meeting might end, but noted that“ Israel ... has something to offer. ”In particular,“ now there is a question about the Mediterranean squadron of Russia, where it will be based. ”“ ... Near Haifa, it was no coincidence that I just went there landing ship "Azov", for the first time in history ""
    To deliver Syria the S-300 and agree to base our Mediterranean navy squadron off its shores
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 15 May 2013 11: 40
    +1
    The media, as always, “heard the ringing without knowing where it came from,” turned everything upside down. Lavrov said clearly: there will be no new contracts, the old ones will be fulfilled. One thing is clear, if Putin does not supply the S-300 to Syria, surrenders Assad, and allows the Western military to continue treating Russia in no way taking into account the interests of our country, then this is a betrayal, no more, no less, and no sane person will go vote neither for him nor for his proteges in the next elections, and most importantly, it will become clear who Mr. Putin is. I think he is not a stupid person and will not make such global mistakes.
  • heavytank
    heavytank 15 May 2013 11: 43
    +5
    If Russia cannot defend Syria, then the Syrian oil and gas field will pass into the hands of European and Jewish companies. Then Russian gas will not be necessary for Europe and accordingly the gas lever to Europe will be removed.
  • roial
    roial 15 May 2013 11: 46
    -4
    For tog to deliver S-300 to Syria - you need Syria to be able to pay for it, And where did she get the money ???
    Economy ruined country in ruins.
    Or do you think that Russia will supply the complexes for free, that is, for nothing ???
    Gone are the days. Now - only for the money.
  • Dima190579
    Dima190579 15 May 2013 11: 49
    +2
    Everyone will get his own. Sooner or later. The main thing for us is to remain calm ourselves and not to break firewood. For this, all scum shows in every way its bravado. And when this scum without witnesses will wind his own guts around his neck, then probably he will understand that he was wrong.
    No need for our soldiers to be sent to Syria. The Syrian army itself must defeat its enemies. It will be very bad when zinc hornbeams with our guys will be brought to Russia and again there will be tears of the mothers of the wives of the children why is this all. To hold Syria with weapons of intelligence this is and is so.
    Kama is interested in what wakes up with preachers who allow for the sake of Allah to kill women, read Krylov’s fable Writer.
    In the dwelling gloomy shadows
    They appeared before the judges
    At the same hour: Robber
    (He smashed along the big roads,
    And finally got into the loop);
    Another was the glory-covered Writer:
    He delicately poured poison in his creations,
    Instilled unbelief, rooted debauchery,
    Was like Siren1, sweet-eyed
    And, like the Siren, it was dangerous.
    In hell, the ritual of judicial speed;
    No delays worthless:
    The sentence was made in a minute.
    On the scary two chains of iron
    Two large cast-iron boilers are hung:
    The guilty were seated in them,
    Firewood under the Rogue was piled up;
    Megera herself2 lit them
    And made such a terrible flame
    What began to crack in the arches of hellish stone.
    The court to the Writer did not seem to be strict;
    Under it, at first, a little glowed;
    But there, the further, the more flared up.
    That eyelids leaked, the fire did not stop.
    Already under the Robber the fire has gone out for a long time:
    Under the Writer, he is angry from hour to hour.
    Seeing no relief
    The writer finally screams in the midst of torment,
    That there is no justice in the gods;
    What glory he filled the light
    And if he wrote a little freely,
    That too painfully punished;
    That he did not think to be a robber sinner.
    Here in front of him, in all its glory,
    With snakes sizzling between the hairs
    With bloody scourges in their hands
    Of the hellish three sisters, one appeared.
    “Unhappy!” She says, “
    Are you blaming Providence?
    And do you equal yourself with a Robber?
    Before your nothing is his fault.
    By his fury and anger,
    He was harmful
    So far he has only lived;
    And you ... already your bones have long decayed,
    And the sun will never rise
    So that new ones from you will not light up troubles.
    Your creature’s poison not only doesn’t fade,
    But, spilling, ages lurking.
    Look (here she saw the light for him)
    Look at all the evil things
    And the misfortunes you blame!
    There are children, the shame of their families -
    Despair of fathers and mothers:
    By whom is the mind and heart poisoned in them? - by you.
    Who, ridiculing like childhood dreams,
    Matrimony, authorities, authorities,
    They were blamed for all human misfortunes
    And the connection of society was eager to dissolve? - you.
    Weren't you imagining unbelief as enlightenment?
    It’s not you who, in a tempting, attractive appearance,
    And passion and vice?
    And overwhelmed by your teachings,
    There is a whole country
    Is full
    Murders and robberies
    Strife and rebellion
    And brought to perdition by you!
    In it, every drop of tears and blood - you are to blame.
    And you dare to arm yourself with the blasphemy against the gods?
    And how much will continue to be born
    From your books in the world is evil!
    Be patient; here for you and the measure of execution! "-
    Angry meger said
    And the boiler slammed the lid.
  • vladeinord
    vladeinord 15 May 2013 11: 56
    +4
    God help, give reason and willpower to our rulers !!! Do not let the friends and souls of the innocent be sold for slaughter !!! In short, I believe and hope that our president is a real MAN !!!
  • valokordin
    valokordin 15 May 2013 12: 16
    -1
    Quote: vladeinord
    God bless you, give reason and willpower to our rulers !!! Do not let the friends and souls of the innocent be sold for slaughter !!! In short, I believe and hope that our president is a real MAN !!!

    Do not believe and do not hope, They will surrender Bashir, they will surrender. Why do you think the NATO and Israeli ravens flew to Moscow, that means they were planning something against Russia and Syria, and in order to carry out the plan, Russia must be neutralized. Therefore, they came to buy power in Russia at a higher price, to prevent it from supplying weapons to Syria, and then to slam Bashir. Our bargain and fulfill the proposals of the crow. Mark my word.
    1. Praetorian
      Praetorian 15 May 2013 12: 39
      -4
      One hundred percent will surrender.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 15 May 2013 13: 27
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      to buy power in Russia more expensive

      you want to say - specifically buy Putin? because they came to him. and if they don’t buy Putin, then what? Are there economic or political sanctions against Russia? Now there’s a lull in the media about this, do you think Putin has sold out or are they languages popu stuck and themselves silent?
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 54
      -4
      Quote: valokordin
      Do not believe and do not hope, They will surrender Bashir, they will surrender. Why do you think the NATO and Israeli ravens flew to Moscow, that means they were planning something against Russia and Syria, and in order to carry out the plan, Russia must be neutralized. Therefore, they came to buy power in Russia at a higher price, to prevent it from supplying weapons to Syria, and then to slam Bashir. Our bargain and fulfill the proposals of the crow. Mark my word.

      I fully share your point of view! Since the collapse of the USSR whom we just did not surrender! I repeat: we do not have a single trump card against the west. All this resembles a desperate attempt to save his face in front of his own people. But the face will not be saved! I am more than sure of this! hi
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 15 May 2013 15: 01
        +4
        Quote: nycsson
        But the face will not be saved! I am more than sure of this!

        you probably clapped your hands when Medvedev leaked Libya? I’m here when I read your posts on different branches, it feels like you hate Russia and rejoice when something bad happens.
        I imagine if Putin will merge Syria, you’ll probably jump to the ceiling with joy and hit the stove with your head! something like this I present a picture of where you are present laughing

        Putin will not merge Syria, you’re getting drunk with grief or what I don’t know already.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 15 May 2013 12: 18
    +1
    Quote: aksakal
    And he is not omnipotent

    And we need to build such a system so that it would be beneficial for the country and not for the given president at the moment. This half-sagger has drunk a lot of things while he was taxing. And after 4 years, Ivanov will come and give the Kuriles.
  • Patriot2012
    Patriot2012 15 May 2013 12: 21
    +1
    “The expert found it difficult to predict how the meeting might end, but noted that“ Israel ... has something to offer. ”In particular,“ now there is a question about the Mediterranean squadron of Russia, where it will be based. ”“ ... Near Haifa, it was no coincidence that I just went there landing ship "Azov", for the first time in history ""
    Syria needs to supply not only S-300 complexes, but immediately agree on the basing of our Mediterranean Navy squadron off its shores and quickly fit it there, let everyone go nuts
  • Karabin
    Karabin 15 May 2013 12: 21
    +2
    How much speculation, and just idle talk about the supply-non-delivery of C300. It makes no sense to supply such complexes secretly. C - 300 is not a TT pistol, you cannot hide behind a belt. If there were complexes in Syria, all Western media would vie for it. not just freelance resources. It’s impossible to hide deliveries of this kind. I believe that it is worth discussing and making forecasts after the Russian side officially announces the following: Russia delivered (sold, donated, rented, let it shoot) a certain amount (which, let them try to figure out to whom it is interesting) C-300 complexes.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 15 May 2013 13: 34
      -1
      Quote: Karabin
      If there were complexes in Syria, all Western media would vie for it.

      Well, the news leaked for a long time that Syria has had the S-300 for a long time, and it appeared secretly, and not this year. Links to the internet can be found.
      S-300 can be disassembled delivered in containers, transferred to hangars and disguised.
      Iran can have several nuclear warheads, how do we know? Ukraine has lost a lot of things without a trace, and a 550 kiloton nuclear warhead is also welcome. Maybe Iran has it, how do we know?
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 47
      -1
      Quote: Karabin
      How much speculation, and just idle talk about the supply-non-delivery of C300. It makes no sense to supply such complexes secretly. C - 300 is not a TT pistol, you cannot hide behind a belt. If there were complexes in Syria, all Western media would vie for it. not just freelance resources. It’s impossible to hide deliveries of this kind. I believe that it is worth discussing and making forecasts after the Russian side officially announces the following: Russia delivered (sold, donated, rented, let it shoot) a certain amount (which, let them try to figure out to whom it is interesting) C-300 complexes.

      Totally agree with you! In the meantime, this is a chatter that has no basis under itself! good
  • Praetorian
    Praetorian 15 May 2013 12: 37
    0
    Does everyone really think that 4 s-300 will do the weather? The hype is big, but what's the use of them? Or it will just be uncomfortable to bomb the NATO, knowing that under such a device it’s somewhere.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 15 May 2013 13: 26
      -1
      Quote: Praetorian
      Does everyone really think that 4 s-300 will do the weather? The hype is big, but what's the use of them? Or it will just be uncomfortable to bomb the NATO, knowing that under such a device it’s somewhere.

      You are absolutely right. There will be no sense from them! Anyway gouging, the forces are too unequal. It's just that the West is trying to reduce risks for itself, that's all. And the supply of our complexes will not affect their plans in any way.
    2. Marconi41
      Marconi41 15 May 2013 14: 42
      0
      Quite right! NATO members will be uncomfortable. But 4 complexes are just a drop in the ocean, and without early warning of the air situation, it is also target number 1. If something happens, I hope the calculations of the s-300 will "sell" themselves at a higher price, otherwise we will disgrace the whole world with our "best in the world complexes!"
  • yanus
    yanus 15 May 2013 13: 03
    +5
    Deliveries of S-300 simply pushed the start of airstrikes and increased the cost of the campaign. We’ll have to spend more cruise missiles on the first strike, spend more time on developing the operation, reconnaissance, etc. In addition, in the territory of Syria there is still that mess. The same special forces can reach. But if the delivery is made, then time will be won. The question is, what will they give an extra 3-4 months?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 May 2013 16: 52
      +4
      Quote: yanus
      time will be won. The question is, what will the extra 3-4 months give?

      Time works for Assad:
      - troops learned to fight, even at night
      - 3 rebel groups are surrounded and isolated, they are being systematically destroyed
      - the opposition showed its cannabal face, Mr. sympathy and support by its liberals subsided
      - The Russian Federation received a tranche of 900 million dollars., Will deliver the remaining complexes,
      - Iraq will throw volunteers,
      - our diplomats will have time to take steps in support of Assad,
      - Specialists are pulling the Syrians on real targets flying from Izikov airfields, and so on.
      And in any case, away from the big war, and there will be no more product pipeline to Europe.
      1. Toit
        Toit 15 May 2013 17: 08
        -1
        Very controversial on all counts
        1. inbous
          inbous 15 May 2013 20: 59
          +2
          Quote: Toit
          Very controversial on all counts

          Well, challenge it.
          if a month ago, the Syrian troops cleared of filth on average 100 nonhumans a day, today 1000-1500 pieces.
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 15 May 2013 13: 25
    -2
    In the current situation in Syria, as if these complexes were not in the hands of the rebels. Judging by what is happening there, Bashar al-Assad can’t cope with the rebels on his own, and the West and the Saudis are constantly pouring huge amounts of money into financing outright scumbags.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 15 May 2013 14: 45
      +1
      If the rebels capture the S-300, what will they do with them? Bite into precious metals ?! Maintenance of these funds requires as a minimum of reason, but as a maximum of skill!
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 15 May 2013 17: 59
        0
        Yes, and here are the skills. There will be no sense from such deliveries. What and how with the S-300 is no secret to anyone, they have long been studied. Will Assad be able to secure these complexes?
  • Adel
    Adel 15 May 2013 13: 28
    +7
    Israeli political scientist and editor-in-chief of the newspaper Maariv said on the Israeli second channel that the netenyagu meeting with Putin failed and the s-300 system is already in Syria
    he said after an airstrike we lost Assad tactically and Syria got s-300 the day after the strike
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 15 May 2013 13: 39
      +5
      It's just that the time has come to test our complexes in practice ... And then many began to declare that the S-300 g ... oh, etc. Only for some reason no one has any hysteria about the ESTABLISHED Patriot complexes in Turkey ... And from the not even shipped "not effective", "not modern", etc. S-300 half of the world is already in a hysterical fit ...

      And ... it’s time to understand for those who like to bomb the Aboriginal people - a shooting gallery, this is not a war, but in a war, as in a war ... not only do you kill, but they kill you too ...
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 15 May 2013 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: Adel
      Netenyagu meeting with Putin failed and s-300 system is already in Syria

      The Russian side during negotiations with the Israeli delegation presented its position on the issue of deliveries of S-300 systems to Syria, said presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov. “A very rich dialogue took place, including on very sensitive topics, such as security. The question on the S-300 was raised. The argument of the Russian side was presented, well known.

      that is, the S-300, if it hasn’t been delivered yet, it will be delivered to a loved one!
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  • yacht
    yacht 15 May 2013 13: 57
    +5
    It can be concluded that Israel, and not only it, is really concerned about the appearance of the S-300 in Syria, which means that Israel has not yet found effective measures to combat the S-300, as it neutralized the latest Buki and Armor apparently S-300 does not roll. Many write that, they say, Israel has already worked out a scheme for neutralizing the S-300 in Greek complexes, but these were outdated versions of the S-300. In any case, the reaction of Israel and NATO countries to the face.
    What else bothers is the number of complexes and the number of missiles delivered, 144 missiles are still not enough. And it would be highly desirable if the Torahs, rather than the Shell, covered up, there are complaints against the latter, and it seems that critical articles about the Shells that appeared earlier are true.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 15 May 2013 15: 17
      +1
      Quote: yacht
      144 missiles are still not enough.

      if Israel tries to attack Syria again, and the S-300 is activated, it will be enough to shoot down several planes from the first attack of the Jews, as they will scatter and sit at the negotiating table. It is enough to spend 10-15 missiles on targets so that everyone understands that Assad decided to shoot down aircraft.
      1. Kuzkin Batyan
        Kuzkin Batyan 15 May 2013 15: 49
        0
        But after the planes are shot down, the location of the air defense will be revealed? And will the nosy former compatriots be able to hit complexes with cruise missiles?
        1. Toit
          Toit 15 May 2013 16: 44
          +2
          Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
          But after the planes are shot down, the location of the air defense will be revealed? And will the nosy former compatriots be able to hit complexes with cruise missiles?

          The fact is that in the current situation in Syria, it is not possible for me to reliably hide from 300, on the other hand, it is also unacceptable for Russia to delay deliveries (if still not with 300 in Syria) 9 (very much for us), and why did you get the idea that Israeli planes will be in the first wave, I’m sure that if 300 really stand on alert, they will either be destroyed by strikes from the ground so as not to supply the beauty and pride of the IDF, or Turkey will trample first, based on recent events it seems to me more than likely, and then Asa y have to translate air defense systems to the north and open up the southern direction, the more that mountainous terrain, and so creates certain difficulties in air defense.
          And the article is a plus, I would like our countries to finally establish good relations as they once were.
          1. inbous
            inbous 15 May 2013 21: 02
            0
            Quote: Toit
            in order not to supply the beauty and pride of the IDF, or Turkey will trample first

            You rave, comrade Jew - Turkey at the moment of its existence will not budge. Russia is still able to ruin her life and drink blood.
        2. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 15 May 2013 17: 22
          +1
          Complexes are mobile.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 19: 49
            -3
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            Complexes are mobile.

            The most mobile air defense system is a stationary system. Air defense is the protection of facilities or areas, which means that the battery, at least for 24 hours, must be in revenge, before the outbreak of hostilities. Ie it is quite possible to detect them from a satellite?
            1. JIaIIoTb
              JIaIIoTb 15 May 2013 20: 19
              +2
              I agree. One stands monitor the north and center of Israel, the range allows. 3 others carry out a maneuver and so on in a circle. A target was found, stood up, turned around, hit, curled up, left.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 15 May 2013 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: yacht
      It can be concluded that Israel, and not only it, is really concerned about the appearance of the S-300 in Syria, which means that Israel has not yet found effective measures to combat the S-300

      The fact is that with the advent of the S-300 in Syria, it itself, in fact, given the radius of action, this complex can enter without a flight zone over most of Israel.
      1. Toit
        Toit 15 May 2013 16: 45
        0
        The north and center of the country, most of Israel, is the Negev desert on the borders of Jordan and Egypt.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 15 May 2013 18: 04
          0
          Quote: Toit
          The north and center of the country, most of Israel, is the Negev desert on the borders of Jordan and Egypt.

          Well, in general, you understood me correctly. hi
  • shoroh
    shoroh 15 May 2013 14: 40
    -2
    It’s high time to cover Tartus more reliably, deploy air defense systems there, and dozens of T-90SM and Terminator tanks to test in combat conditions. Purely for the protection of military advisers, of course. Our base, we need to protect it properly! For a long time, allied relations with Cuba should be resumed, tracking systems, missile defense systems, and in general, Putin, some kind of sluggish politician in the international arena, should be placed there. As if not a great Russia in his control but some Guinea
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 15 May 2013 14: 53
      0
      If you place the S-300 in the tiny meringue of Tartus, it means dooming them to inevitable defeat. A similar base is much easier to cover with ships from the sea.
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 15 May 2013 17: 21
        0
        Quote: Marconi41
        If you place the S-300 in the tiny meringue of Tartus, it means dooming them to inevitable defeat. A similar base is much easier to cover with ships from the sea.


        Technically yes, but politically, an attack on a base in Tartus would mean an attack on Russia.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 15 May 2013 15: 23
      +4
      Quote: shoroh
      Putin is some kind of sluggish politician in the international arena. As if not a great Russia in his control but some Guinea

      damn it, remember, we are not living in the Soviet Union, and Khrushchev is not at the helm, who could have placed nuclear weapons under the belly of the United States. Times have changed. Putin is already doing what he can, isn’t it visible? We have no additional 14 republics as before and 65000 tanks, too, are not in the Soviet Union. How can we help so? We wouldn’t like to help Syria, they would have bombed it like Libya and Iraq a long time ago, but 2 years have passed already and nobody is bombing.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 15 May 2013 14: 49
    0
    Only 4 complexes, and howl to the whole universe! At one time, the US Patriots screwed up great - oh, not to repeat this feat to us ...
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 15 May 2013 14: 49
    0
    About the photo of that dead girl with a cross. This is a fake, and has long been discovered. Search the net.
    But this does not negate the fact that worse things have happened, unfortunately, they can also be found on the net.
  • Naval
    Naval 15 May 2013 15: 06
    0
    Give S-300 !!! It is time to stop the victorious series of democratizers. They indulged and have enough, you have to pay for everything, and then, stunned by impunity, we will also aim at Central Asia and the Caucasus. Do we need it? am
  • GEO
    GEO 15 May 2013 15: 17
    0
    Quote: Tatar
    Libya did not surrender anybody; Libya not when it was not an ally of Russia, unlike Syria. Libya was friends with the West, but at some point they did not agree for what it rallied. Ossetia, Syria, these are the countries that are under the wing of Russia, and Russia, in their own way, shows that they will never leave their friends, unlike the same West. so an example to all countries for which there is a lack of dermorcracy due to oil. RUSSIA is your only salvation, and the West will have all the cracks and throw it out and never stand up for you, your ass is always more expensive than someone else's

    100500
  • sxn278619
    sxn278619 15 May 2013 15: 18
    -2
    Quote from http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2187677
    According to Kommersant's information, Mr. Putin's position has not changed (and it could not have changed): Syria's S-300 complexes, one might say, are in their pockets.
    “Israel,” said Benjamin Netanyahu, “managed to reach a peace agreement with two neighbors.” God grant that we reach it with the rest. But, unfortunately, they make the world only with the strong - with those who are able to defend themselves.
    With the S-300 systems, Syria will obviously be able to protect itself.
    True, if you look, the position of Israel in the history of the S-300 should be beneficial to Russia, just few people understand this. After all, as soon as the complexes appear on the border with Israel, they will be immediately destroyed. There is no doubt about it.
    And then Russia will be able to conclude a new contract for the supply of S-300.
    And then another one.
    1. KononAV
      KononAV 15 May 2013 16: 02
      +3
      I think you're wrong. This is anti-advertising if the complex was sold, he could not protect himself. Yes and c300 vryatli needed to cover the border, they cover strategic objects
    2. vvvvv
      vvvvv 17 May 2013 06: 37
      0
      Yes, here they have already reached the point that if you start quoting Jesus, they will immediately naminus you, because Jesus is a Jew. By the way, Netanyahu actually directly says that the S-300 guarantee Syria peace with Israel ...
      Although they say that only the D.U.A.K does not doubt, but here for many it is unacceptable and different from their opinions, and any doubts ... Assuming the possibility of destroying the S-300, you immediately become a heretic and "the holy local bottling "immediately instills cons, regretting in the shower that needles under their nails could more effectively force people to abandon their opinions.
  • vadimN
    vadimN 15 May 2013 15: 52
    +2
    "Thus, there is a basis for another alleged political barter: the non-delivery of the S-300 in exchange for the" green light "from Israel to Russian ships."


    May the author of the review forgive me, but this is pure nonsense. The question is - what comes first? Our ships to protect our interests in Mediterranean, or the presence of ships ... for the sake of presence? If presence for the sake of presence, then you can be based anywhere, even in Israel, even in Egypt, even in France ... But why then this presence is necessary, if we "merged" all the countries in which we have interests? Then it's better not to withdraw the ships from the bases at all ...