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US Army allocates $ 16 million to super binoculars

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US Army allocates $ 16 million to super binoculars

The U.S. Army is allocating $ 16 million for new hand-held binocular-like devices (TLDS, Target Location Designation System, Positioning and Targeting Systems) that combine a day / night digital surveillance device with a zoom, laser rangefinder and laser targeting system. TLDS combines all this equipment in one unit. In addition, a small computer identifies the user and transfers target information to artillery and aviation units. This makes it easier for the spotter of fire on the ground to identify and mark the target and accelerates the destruction of the target by artillery or missiles. Speed ​​is often critical in combat situations and it has a very positive effect on the morale of troops when they know that TLDS will do the job quickly and accurately.



Current systems capable of doing the same are heavy, cumbersome, and difficult to interface with digital communications systems. Due to the fact that electronics continues to become smaller and more powerful, the army is in a hurry to take advantage of new technologies, before they are replaced with obviously superior new technologies. Despite years of cuts in the military budget, things like TLDS are seen as essential new technologies necessary for success in battle.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 14 May 2013 06: 42
    13
    The price is certainly high, but the "device" is very useful on the battlefield. I would like something like that, but it would be better with better characteristics and cheaper, that would appear in the Russian army.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 14 May 2013 13: 22
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      "device" is very useful on the battlefield.

      Very useful, necessary, and there are analogues, and there are counter-control devices.
      Optical - electronic device "SPIN-L"
      Tactical device for observation and detection of optical systems "Samurai"
      Device "Ghost-M" (TLS2000)
      Daytime device (indicator) for monitoring and detection of optical systems "Ray-1M"
      Optical object detection system "MIF-350"
      Mobile optical intelligence detection system "Sanya"
      Portable thermal imaging kompleks target designation "Sych-3TSU"


      But on cards, slide rules, tablets, and just on the fingers, you also need to be able to make calculations.
      1. Army1
        Army1 14 May 2013 15: 37
        +1
        These are countermeasures, and analogues are precisely the target designation for missiles and shells
  2. Sirocco
    Sirocco 14 May 2013 06: 55
    0
    Modern technology on the battlefield is good, but how much does this device cost? If this binocular is a computer, how is it protected? and is noise immunity?
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 May 2013 06: 58
      +6
      Quote: Sirocco
      If this binocular is a computer, how is it protected? and is noise immunity?
      Yes, it is not just an observation device, night and day, it is also a laser rangefinder, a navigation device and a data transmission device ... "Serious" machine
      1. bask
        bask 14 May 2013 07: 12
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, it’s not just a surveillance device, night or day, it’s also a laser range finder, a navigation device and

        Our troops just need something like that. We must give the troops the opportunity to fight around the clock.!
        Ours are also trying and not bad to do something like that, it's a pity the troops do not.
        Thermal and night complex FORTUNA FUSION TNK-1
        Binoculars Day-Night FORTUNA DN
        1. bask
          bask 14 May 2013 07: 20
          +1
          Thermal imaging and night complex FORTUNA FUSION TNK-1. Price-990 thousand rubles.
          The product TNK-1 is a multispectral device designed for: observation, recognition of people, cars and other objects. When working in night and adverse conditions (((fog, smoke))). The device has two channels - a thermal one based on a 320/240 format microbolometric matrix and a night one combined in one module and having one common eyepiece.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 May 2013 09: 38
        +5
        This is a very serious machine. Determining the coordinates of a target with a hand is very cool. Not to mention the possibility of backlighting.

        Here is our counterpart:





        Moreover, they are not enough in the troops. The main remains Soviet decision-maker
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 14 May 2013 07: 00
    11
    Super binoculars! Sees the invisible.

    Ahhh.
    1. Professor
      14 May 2013 07: 30
      20
      Everyone has their clairvoyants. laughing
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 14 May 2013 08: 14
        +2
        What are you laughing at? this is apparently the same device, moreover, super-secret on super-secret technologies, allowing you to see super-secret things, invisible to those who are not allowed to super-secret lol
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 14 May 2013 10: 16
        +3
        Enough tolerating this laughing
  4. avant-garde
    avant-garde 14 May 2013 08: 17
    0
    Give the Japanese one, so that they examine the submarines and identify them)))
  5. Nitarius
    Nitarius 14 May 2013 08: 20
    +1
    Nda ours also would not hurt - something like that and quicker in their troops-toss! otherwise everything is old-fashioned, optics usually! Yes, and not everyone has it!
    1. Professor
      14 May 2013 08: 25
      +5
      "Optics" do not particularly indicate the target for high-precision weapons.
  6. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 14 May 2013 08: 26
    +2
    For such a piece of iron to appear in the army of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to integrate interaction systems, which entails global modernization with a good investment of funds, but we do not like to do this.
  7. vilenich
    vilenich 14 May 2013 08: 56
    0
    Enviously, of course, I want myself something similar or abruptly. But I can’t help but doubt that they have crammed a lot into one device, so it is interesting whether such an unit will work effectively and whether all its functions are needed in one device.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 May 2013 09: 42
      0
      Rather yes than no.
  8. Vtel
    Vtel 14 May 2013 09: 10
    0
    In addition, a small computer identifies the user and transfers target information to artillery and aviation units.

    Without satellite support, this is just an expensive eyepiece. It’s time to create something similar with our Glonass, but better is better!
    1. Professor
      14 May 2013 09: 20
      +5
      To illuminate the target, a satellite is not needed day or night.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 May 2013 09: 42
        +1
        To determine the coordinates. Without which, you won’t have to highlight anything.
        1. Professor
          14 May 2013 09: 57
          0
          Nobody has canceled paper cards yet.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 May 2013 10: 00
            +2
            Will you be able to determine the coordinates of the NP using paper maps with an accuracy of 50 m?
            1. Professor
              14 May 2013 10: 05
              +1
              Exactly. JDAM is no longer necessary.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 May 2013 11: 03
                +1
                Where are such superhumans found? Normal ones have to get attached to local objects at best, and more often pull the move.
                1. Professor
                  14 May 2013 11: 55
                  +1
                  Baad-1 is called however, you will find there.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 May 2013 12: 01
                    +1
                    Is there an autonomous topographic reference system implanted in the brain? Dear, I’m an artilleryman, don’t need noodles.
                    1. Professor
                      14 May 2013 14: 46
                      0
                      Are you as an artilleryman unable to determine the coordinates of a target with an accuracy of a hundred meters without a firefighter?
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 May 2013 20: 04
                        +1
                        As an artilleryman, I cannot guarantee that my accuracy of determining coordinates without reference will be 50 m or less. If yours have a different opinion, then I am sorry for the Israeli army.
                        Moreover, I will definitely check the ZhPS data.
                      2. Professor
                        14 May 2013 21: 55
                        +3
                        As an artilleryman, I cannot guarantee that my accuracy of determining coordinates without reference will be 50 m or less.

                        I repeat, with laser illumination, targets for JDAM are no longer necessary.
                        You see, ZhPS was invented very recently, and the ability of a fighter to navigate the terrain and determine his coordinates was developed much earlier. Moreover, even before the famous ZhPS there were smart bombs pointing at a spot of a laser beam left in turn by a two-legged fighter. And notice all this without navigation satellites.
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 May 2013 22: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        I repeat, with laser illumination, targets for JDAM are no longer necessary.

                        She works from ZhPS. So there, and accuracy of 50 meters will not be enough.

                        Quote: Professor
                        You see, ZhPS was invented very recently, and the ability of a fighter to navigate the terrain and determine his coordinates was developed much earlier.

                        I know. And earlier I have repeatedly used the term "binding" Roughly, this is the definition of coordinates without ZHPS

                        Quote: Professor
                        Moreover, even before the famous ZhPS there were smart bombs pointing at a spot of a laser beam left in turn by a two-legged fighter. And notice all this without navigation satellites.

                        Of course. But first, where are they, these bombs. And secondly, their possibilities are not unlimited. They should at least appear above the target so that the GOS captures the reflected signal.
                      4. Professor
                        14 May 2013 22: 12
                        +3
                        She works from ZhPS. So there, and accuracy of 50 meters will not be enough.

                        There is also a JDAM with laser illumination. Have you heard about such (pictured)?

                        But first, where are they, these bombs.

                        Full of them, not all smart bombs today are oriented by satellites.

                        And secondly, their possibilities are not unlimited.

                        Of course, we are not discussing the hydrogen bomb.

                        They should at least appear above the target so that the GOS captures the reflected signal.

                        For this, plus or minus a hundred meters is not critical.
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 14 May 2013 22: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        For this, plus or minus a hundred meters is not critical.

                        About that and talk. It's all about mistakes.
                        And they tend to increase. And when I talked about possibilities, I did not mean the power of bombs, but the ability to "select" these errors.
                        If you fail in determining your point of standing at 200 m, then the error in determining the coordinates of the target will be even greater. And the bomb control system may or may not lock the target at all, or the actuators will not be able to "select" a large deflection.
  • HAM
    HAM 14 May 2013 09: 29
    -2
    Something a cheap apparatus for the US Army. Usually everything is a little cooler, the generals also want to eat and not pizza with a hamburger.
  • neodymium
    neodymium 14 May 2013 10: 25
    +2
    For information processing and decision making systems,
    with placement on a tactical map
    It would be great, in real time, to receive information:

    -channel thermal imaging and (or) night vision,
    - Observer coordinates (Glonass, GPS),
    -Azimuth, distance to the target,
    -Lighten the target of the LCC for aiming at the target.
    -Provide power and charge in the field.

    To place this in a compact case is not an arch-difficult task!
    It looks like this is done in this "binocular".
    We can do better and cheaper, as experience suggests.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 May 2013 11: 07
      0
      Quote: neodim
      We can do better and cheaper, as experience suggests.

      But we don’t want to.

      Why directional and range to the target, if the device itself can easily calculate the coordinates of the target? This is the level of a conventional calculator with trigonometric functions.
      1. neodymium
        neodymium 14 May 2013 11: 26
        +2
        This is the same + observer coordinates for tactical cards in real time.

        Those. to get the coordinates of the target you need to have:
        - coordinates of the observer,
        - distance to the target
        target azimuth
        So?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 May 2013 11: 33
          +1
          They try not to transmit unnecessary information. Because immediately the coordinates are easier.

          We have a problem with dimensions and weight. Especially power sources, the backlight eats a lot.
  • machine gunner
    machine gunner 14 May 2013 11: 16
    +1
    We can, we want and we do! just until we scream loudly ...
  • ale-x
    ale-x 14 May 2013 11: 26
    -3
    An interesting machine for motorized rifle units. May be useful to army intelligence. But there is one BUT !!!! Price!!!
    Not a single junior commander of our army, I think, will dare to take such an apparatus on the BZ. Imagine a fighter passing him ...!
    1. Army1
      Army1 14 May 2013 15: 45
      +1
      Well, always like that, how much money is stolen, it’s possible to equip every soldier like that, but how to save life over a long distance missile to shine it is not, it is expensive
  • ed1968
    ed1968 14 May 2013 20: 00
    0
    maybe ours should buy a couple to test, and if the thing is really worth it take technology into account try to create your own or just start production under license
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 14 May 2013 20: 12
    0
    Everyone has their clairvoyants. laughing



    he has a picture drawn there
  • Shaitan
    Shaitan 15 May 2013 00: 14
    -1
    In my opinion, the dude who sits behind this device with a laser light is a walking (or rather sedentary) corpse. The first sniper of the opposing side (unless of course the enemy is a gang of Taliban on camels with Kalash) will smash the head of this fighter and the device is expensive! Laser illumination, it not only perfectly illuminates the target, but also the radiation source, and since it only works in the direct line of sight of the war zone, and at the same time the target is static, my forecast is the bullet to the head of this igid in 2 minutes from moment of the outbreak of hostilities. and if the army is trained then at the time of preparation for the highlight in his helmet will be a hole!
    My opinion is the value of this device in the form presented in the article is doubtful.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 15 May 2013 08: 43
      -1
      It is designed to wage war with the Papuans ...
      It’s also very stupid to point such a thing to a modern tank, the coordinates will not be sent in time, as it will be smashed by return fire.
      1. Professor
        15 May 2013 09: 00
        +2
        5 km away? wink In addition to tanks, this gravecup illuminates many useful targets.
    2. Professor
      15 May 2013 08: 53
      +3
      Quote: Shaitan
      The first sniper of the opposing side (unless of course the enemy is a gang of Taliban on camels with Kalash) will smash the head of this fighter and the device is expensive!

      When a sniper can hit targets at a distance of 5000 meters then I agree with you.