General Gerasimov: GV Sever continues to create a security zone

The Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces made a number of statements regarding the ongoing Central Military District during an inspection of the Southern Group of Forces. Valery Gerasimov used the now-standard phrase about the Russian army's offensive operations in all directions.

According to General Gerasimov, the "North" group of forces of the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces is also demonstrating success.

He notes that the North Guard Force continues to work on creating a security zone in the Sumy and Kharkiv border areas.

From the statement of General Valery Gerasimov:

Since the beginning of March, the North Group has taken control of five settlements: Bobylovka, Rogozne, Chervona Zarya and Mala Bobylovka in Sumy Oblast, as well as the village of Krugloe in Kharkiv Oblast.

Valery Gerasimov noted that the most active fighting is currently taking place in the Krasny Liman area. The enemy continues to hold the city, although our troops had already entered it and are advancing within the city limits.

As a reminder, information was received today about the liberation of the village of Charivne in the Zaporizhzhia region by Russian troops.

The Russian army has pushed the enemy back from Gulyaipole in this direction and is currently closing the distance from the eastern flank to the main fortified area on this section of the front – the enemy-controlled city of Orekhov.

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[BAI]

What's up with Kupyansk? Are we still holding on or have we given up?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: BAI

What's wrong with Kupyansk?

Still waiting for foreign journalists.

[poquello]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: BAI

What's wrong with Kupyansk?

Still waiting for foreign journalists.

Maybe a stoner? I took a selfie a kilometer away, but in the city it's impossible.

[belost79]

"What's going on with Kupyansk? Are we still holding on or have we given up?"
First we need to understand whether he was taken.

[papas-57]

"First, we need to figure out if he's been accepted." Judging by his Hero Star, he was accepted a long time ago.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: BAI

The Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces made a number of statements regarding the ongoing SVO during the inspection of South groupings of troops.
General Gerasimov: GV "North" continues to create a safety strip

This is strange information - is he perhaps using northerners as an example to southerners?
Or maybe he just doesn't want to remember the promise made to Putin by S. Medvedev, the commander of the southern forces, to occupy Konstantinovka by mid-December, while he was still in power. And there's nothing to brag about.

[Montezuma]

Quote: BAI

What's up with Kupyansk? Are we still holding on or have we given up?

Of course they gave up, in Ukrainian dreams.)

[Nexcom]

The virus of permanence and an empty whistling flask are a terrible thing...

[invisible_man]

Our "hurray-patriots" whistle is not much quieter.

[Nexcom]

the root of the whistle, however, in both cases, has a similar nature...
that's why it whistles in that loud and tonal way...

[Montezuma]

Dmitry, I wonder if some of you downvoted my previous comment because they didn't see the joke, or if my personal fan group was at work?

[Nexcom]

You're not the only one with "admirers" here. I just added one upvote.
Forget it. I gave up on this a long time ago.

[rocket757]

continues to create a safety strip

What "safety zone"? Why repeat something that is impossible to believe.
We return, liberate the lands of Mother Russia, sweep away all evil spirits from our land... that would be more accurate and understandable.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: rocket757

"safety strip"

This is a formal designation for territories taken under the control of the Russian Armed Forces that do not belong to Russia according to the Constitution. The width of the "security zone" is not specified anywhere. Ultimately, it could extend as far as the Polish-Romanian border, if the Ukrainian Armed Forces retain their desire to launch UAVs with a range of over 1000 km into Russia.

[rocket757]

I agree, if we understand/accept the definition of "safety zone" in the broad sense of the word, then... optimally, up to the former borders of the USSR, would be just right!!!

[Arkady007]

The question of a "safety zone" surfaced in 2023, when guns were still firing and tanks were making breakthroughs.
This is no longer relevant. This strip no longer exists, as the line of combat engagement has expanded to 100 kilometers or more.

Even today, any military issue will be resolved only by the complete defeat of the enemy.

[rocket757]

Drones - attack drones... they seem like a weapon for the poor, but as it turns out, with the proper skill, training, and proper use, they are a very effective weapon, difficult to combat, and so far no sufficiently effective and inexpensive countermeasures have been found!!!
The range of destruction has exceeded/is exceeding 1000 km and this is not the limit!!!
Weapons of this type will be developed, improved further and... thus, no safe zones will be created at all... only all those who can/are ready to use this weapon will be eliminated.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: rocket757

So far, no sufficiently effective and inexpensive means of counteraction have been found!!

When the enemy receives real-time data on air defense radar parameters, no effective air defense system can help. Even an onboard computer with a basic program can calculate the safest route to the target.

[rocket757]

If we look at this topic more closely, then... a continuous radar field, precise control of airspace, this is not a problem, but a completely feasible/solvable technical task...
It will have to be resolved, in any case, and better sooner than later.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: rocket757

continuous radar field

It's as abstract a concept as "white noise".
Even over a very small area, the classic cosecant antenna pattern of any radar has parameters for the lower and upper detection zone boundaries, dead zones, and occlusion angles. There are also a number of physical parameters that reduce the probability of detecting a target moving along a trajectory close to the "0" parameter or with a small radial component.
These problems don't even take into account the vast territory of our country, for which even establishing a "continuous" radar field with a lower boundary of 1 km requires an order of magnitude more air defense units. If even lower coverage is needed, the number of air defense units increases exponentially.

[rocket757]

You know, if we look at the issue from a purely practical perspective... "dead zones," for example, nothing can fly through them normally, except for birds and hang gliders...
A large territory, many regions where full control is more difficult to ensure than on the plains... with one or another MODERN methods and means, this problem can be solved.
It's not cheap, it's labor-intensive, and... only those who are stingy or do nothing at all fail to do it.

[olboop]

optimally, up to the former borders of the USSR, that would be just right!!!

That would be nice. But how and with what forces do you propose to maintain, if not an occupation regime, then a transitional or temporary one?

[rocket757]

Now this is the RIGHT QUESTION!
There is just no simple, clear answer to it...
Although historical analogies can be cited as examples of successful solutions to such problems... however, negative examples can also be found if you dig deeper into history...

[olboop]

Now this is the RIGHT QUESTION!

This question can be further explored. Let's say there are enough forces to maintain temporary order there. But where will we get the money and other resources for even the slightest restoration? And without such restoration, we'll have to leave. Then what were we fighting for?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: olbop

But where can we get money and other resources for at least some restoration there?

Well, Ukraine has some valuable resources in the form of black soil, minerals, and industry. Plus, there are a couple of tens of millions of working-age people who still need to live, and to do so, they need to work. So, self-sufficiency is entirely possible.

[rocket757]

You could say... if you don't try, you'll never know!
And anyway, it's only that one who can't do it... well, you should know for yourselves. But... NO ONE BUT US!!! By the way, US in the broadest sense of the word!

[TerraSandera]

So, it's ok at 999 km, but 1000 is the red line?

[Alex777]

Quote: rocket757

What "safety zone"??? Why repeat... something that is impossible to believe.

Konashenkov's legacy lives on and triumphs. I'd hate to see it again...

[rocket757]

Generals have not said what they think for a long time now... texts, instructions and are handed down from above.

[Alex777]

Quote: rocket757

Generals have not said what they think for a long time now... texts, instructions and are handed down from above.

How much higher can it go? Everyone's making it up themselves.

[rocket757]

And who will say how and why he does this?

[Alex777]

For me it is a mystery shrouded in darkness.
Why defend the incompetent military leaders he himself appointed? As far as I'm concerned, they need to be replaced.
But despite the lies, the bloodbaths, and so on, he doesn't change them. We have what we have.

[rocket757]

Question... what actions can be used to ensure an offensive and occupy territory defended by the enemy, other than an offensive by infantry and assault units?

[Alex777]

Except for the offensive - none.
But friends from the front write about incredible shortages in their units, which their superiors conceal from their superior generals. Even the wounded aren't discharged, but are kept on the lists to maintain the appearance of strength.
And how can such units advance?

[rocket757]

It depends on whether there is or may be...
I communicate a lot, so I've heard a lot of things firsthand...
I have two relatives who returned from injury, and there are also those who fell...
It's a big mess, a disaster, and it will affect many in our country...

[saigon]

What's wrong with that? A new word in military theory—a security strip? It sounds both beautiful and unclear what can be applied to this term. I'm trying to remember terms that use the word "strip"—in the offensive or defensive zones. A security strip is close to a security strip, but the meanings are different: a control trail strip, and an obstacle strip. In short, something new in theory and practice.

[rocket757]

Well, what don't you like?

I used to communicate with those "communications specialists" who wrote texts for their bosses... the conversation turned out to be rather peculiar... I decided once and for all not to discuss anything like that with them... to immediately move the conversation to "another plane"...
And so... history will be made on the battlefields, as before!

[knn54]

Judging by the photo, the speaker lulled the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces to sleep.

[bubalik]

"Photo for an article from a year ago, when Colonel General Alexander Sanchik was still in command of the "South" group.

[SergeySmirnov3663]

The reports are becoming increasingly insane.
And this is the one who should plan the strategy of the war, reports on 5 captured Chelyabins, which contain a little more than 1 street.
Oh, yes, he thinks he took Kupyansk.

[Aken]

Oh, yes, he thinks he took Kupyansk.

That's what they told him.

[Bumblebee_3]

A safety band???? So, the initial objectives of the Security Council have been postponed indefinitely? Am I correct? And how wide is the "safety band"? Although such questions are hardly appropriate here.

[expert]

Honestly, given today's capabilities of artillery, unmanned aerial vehicles, and missile weapons, this should be hundreds, thousands of kilometers of safe width.
What utter nonsense...

[Chack wessel]

Width in the "Red Line".

[TerraSandera]

Judging by everything, it has now outgrown Ukrainian territory and is located near Spain, based on the flamingo deliveries and their distance. But it's certainly not a couple of villages and the captured ruins of Vovchansk.

[Ivan Mladic]

Strange safety stripes... Probably like the red lines.
Tell this to the people of Bryansk and Belgorod regions.
And in the rear, they started taking away all the farms, to please the agroholdings... Is this to plunge them into poverty and increase the influx into the army?

[Aken]

Is this to plunge people into poverty and increase the influx into the army?

To provoke a popular uprising. And they're doing a pretty good job.

[Maverick1812]

Now they'll say you're rocking the boat! They're afraid of the spray! From their own excrement...

[Aken]

The deeper the boat goes, the harder it is to rock it.

[Andrey Nikolaev_4]

Gerasimov, Kupyansk is ours?

[volga17]

On RIA Novosti, Gerasimov "burns with napalm":
The settlements of Kaleniki have been liberated.
Fighting continues on the streets of Orekhovo.
Wow, this is how one must fight!

[Pavel Patrashov]

Where are the shells? Valery...?

[Mapping]

Under Stalin, Gerasimov would have been shot. But Putin can steal by the billions, and nothing will happen. And the women still hit.

[Aken]

And the women still strike.

Russian women refuse.
Masturbating women will give birth.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from Cartograph

Under Stalin, Gerasimov would have been shot.

However, Stalin, for some reason, did not execute Zhukov, who was Chief of the General Staff in 1941. Despite the fact that approximately five million soldiers had been lost in six months, and the Germans had reached Moscow.

[Uh Neuhov]

However, Stalin, for some reason, didn't execute Zhukov, who was Chief of the General Staff in 1941. Even though approximately five million soldiers were lost in six months...

For the initial defeat of the Red Army, General Pavlov was shot by order of Stalin in July 1941; Zhukov himself insisted on the death penalty.
Army General Zhukov was appointed Chief of the General Staff in January 1941. In late July 1941, after a series of crushing defeats for the Red Army, he was removed from this position.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Uh Neukhov

For the initial defeat of the Red Army, General Pavlov was shot by order of Stalin in July 1941.

Yeah, they appointed a scapegoat.

Quote: Uh Neukhov

At the end of July 1941, after a series of crushing defeats for the Red Army, he was removed from this post.

Which, one must assume, was more terrible than the execution.
In fact, if we follow the logic of local turbopatriots, Stalin should have burned out the entire General Staff, including the People's Commissariat of Defense, with a flamethrower for the catastrophe of 1941 (and 1942, too). Then publicly shot himself.

[free]

What are these numbers? At the start of the war, the Red Army totaled 5 million, including the air force, navy, logistics, etc., as well as divisions stationed throughout the country to the Far East. Total Red Army losses during the entire Great Patriotic War ranged from 8-11 million, including those who died in concentration camps from hunger, disease, and Nazi atrocities (plus 12-15 million civilian casualties). G.K. Zhukov served as Chief of the General Staff only until July 1941, then B.M. Shaposhnikov, who left due to health reasons, followed by A.M. Vasilevsky. G.K. Zhukov, as Chief of the General Staff before the war, accomplished a great deal for the Armed Forces, with his experience at Khalkhin Gol under his belt, and remained Stalin's deputy and a permanent member of the General Staff until the end of the war, a true crisis general and Stalin's last resort in this war. 1941 was very difficult for us, but it could have been even more catastrophic if it weren’t for Zhukov and the other strategic minds of Vasilevsky, Shaposhnikov, Rokossovsky, Vatutin, Konev

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Free

What are these numbers?

Bring others.

Quote: Free

Total spacecraft losses during the entire Second World War ranged from 8 to 11 million, including those killed in concentration camps.

The average estimate is about ten million, half of which are losses of the forty-first.
Those who died in concentration camps were mainly prisoners of war from the first year and a half.

Quote: Free

G.K. Zhukov Chief of General Staff ONLY until July 1941

So, it is he who is responsible for preparing for the war and starting it, isn’t he?

Quote: Free

1941 was very difficult for us, but it could have been even more catastrophic if it weren’t for Zhukov and other strategic minds.

Well, if 1941 isn't catastrophic enough for you, then I'm afraid there's no point in discussing it.

[Gavrilo Princip]

Four years later, Berlin was taken. No red lines. And it was Yalta 45, not the spirit of Anchorage.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Gavrilo Princip

Four years later, Berlin was taken

At the cost of twenty million lives. If you're going to compare, compare not only victories but also defeats and losses.

[Gavrilo Princip]

Well, yes, there is no point in comparing it with the Soviet Union, whose concerns caused the West and the Cosmos to fight...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Gavrilo Princip

What's the point of comparing it with the Soviet Union, which is the reason why the West and Kos are fighting?

We fought so hard that the USSR died and collapsed – we’re still cleaning up the mess.

[TerraSandera]

Under Stalin, he wouldn't have been allowed anywhere after graduating from the academy. So there would have been no one to execute.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: TerraSandera

Under Stalin, he wouldn't have been allowed to go anywhere after graduating from the academy.

Some of the academy graduates who were overlooked under Stalin in 1941 and 1942 didn't do particularly well. Just like Stalin himself, in fact.

[TerraSandera]

Any examples? I remember an army and a country that, having suffered a blow of unprecedented force, recovered from the armada that enslaved all of Europe, was able to regroup, and in those same years, 42-43, break the back of the Wehrmacht. And in 44, liberate itself and the rest.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: TerraSandera

Will there be examples?

Examples of what?

Quote: TerraSandera

an army and a country that suffered a blow of unprecedented force

The question is precisely how it happened—to miss this very strike of unprecedented force. Perhaps the USSR's highest military-political leadership miscalculated, failed to take into account, failed to prepare, eh?
And if, according to the turbopatriots, our General Staff should be, if not executed, then at least dispersed and imprisoned because of the events in Kursk Oblast, then what should have been done with the Soviet General Staff (and perhaps even Stalin himself), which allowed the catastrophe of 1941 and allowed the Germans to reach Moscow? Armchair strategists pose the question precisely this way: the enemy does exactly what we allow them to do, right?

Quote: TerraSandera

I woke up, was able to regroup and in those same 42-43 break the back of the Wehrmacht

At the cost of twenty million lives, among other things.

[TerraSandera]

Stalin prepared for war. But a little differently and at a slightly later date. Which is precisely what gave us the opportunity to fight back. Measures were taken, and despite the initial rout, we managed to turn the tide and achieve victory. Now, we can't even achieve a draw. They won't let us.
We didn't prepare, and we waited a mere eight years from when we should have. In '14, those forces would have been more than sufficient. In 2022, at least three times as much was needed. And the goal-setting was different.
Well, comparing Vov and Kursk is kind of surreal).
Compare the level of intelligence then and now. What did the satellites show? Were they not there? And now? Was Germany at war with the USSR? No. And we've been fighting for years, and we've been asleep. Or maybe we didn't sleep, but hoped to hide behind conscripts and volunteers?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: TerraSandera

Stalin prepared for war. But in a slightly different way and at a slightly later date.

In your opinion, does this somehow justify those who allowed the catastrophe of 1941 to happen?

Quote: TerraSandera

We can't even get a draw now.

So, in your opinion, Ukraine will win?

Quote: TerraSandera

when it was necessary... there would have been enough strength

Using the expression "would" you can prove absolutely anything.

Quote: TerraSandera

It’s kind of surreal to compare WWII and Kursk

Nevertheless, many compare and even draw some profound conclusions.

[Cartalon]

Well, a 70-year-old man cannot effectively perform the duties of the Chief of the General Staff during wartime.
There is, of course, hope that someone else is really in charge, but most likely there is a squabble between groups.

[fuel oil]

The boss has already entered his eighties. It's time to retire.

[Chack wessel]

87,28% of the population voted for him... Or which boss are you talking about?
:)

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I'm not qualified to give advice or comment on the Chief of the General Staff's statements. But I hope they throw yellow and blue rags with stinking tridents at the mausoleum. I wish it would happen sooner.

[invisible_man]

I'm not yet fit to give advice or comment on the statements of the Chief of the General Staff.

I always found comments like these amusing.

[Alexey Lantukh]

I'm not yet fit to give advice or comment on the statements of the Chief of the General Staff.

That's true! But the Ministry of Defense is obligated to provide the public with as accurate information as possible. Certainly not to lie. The latest statement: Charivne has been liberated. But have they really liberated it? Perhaps they've only reached the outskirts?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

The Ministry of Defense is obliged to provide truthful information to the public as far as possible

The Ministry of Defense is not obligated to inform anyone about anything except its superiors. And even then, only those who are required to do so by virtue of their position.

[Amateur]

The Ministry of Defense is not obligated to inform anyone about anything except its superiors. And even then, only those who are required to do so by virtue of their position.

The stupid Soviet Information Bureau during the Great Patriotic War did not know this, so every day Levitan informed the Soviet people about the situation at the front.
But now it's a blessing. If you want, talk nonsense, or if you want, say nothing at all. "The people will swallow it all."

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Amateur

The stupid Soviet Information Bureau during the Great Patriotic War didn't know this, so every day Levitan informed the Soviet people about the situation at the front.

What was the Sovinformburo's relationship to the People's Commissariat of Defense? What was Levitan's military rank and position?
Now, by the way, it is the Ministry of Defense that informs us every day, in case you haven’t noticed.

[Alexey Lantukh]

The Ministry of Defense is not obligated to inform anyone about anything in principle.

Well, then who? Bloggers using informants in the Ministry of Defense? But regular military correspondents operate among the troops. And probably with the knowledge of army political officers, or whatever they're called these days. Propaganda, after all, hasn't been abolished. And the Chief of the General Staff doesn't have to give any interviews. It's none of his business.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

then who

Whomever the state appoints. During the Great Patriotic War, this was the Soviet Information Bureau, which, incidentally, had no connection to the People's Commissariat of Defense.
Now the press service of the Ministry of Defense, which is engaged in an uncharacteristic matter, to some extent showing courtesy, but first and foremost, on orders from above.

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

After all, regular military correspondents operate among the troops

They did. Now, as far as I understand, war correspondents—that is, correspondents with military ranks accredited by official media, as was the case during the Great Patriotic War—are practically nonexistent. Instead, a plethora of war bloggers have sprung up, answerable to no one, reporting to no one, and primarily interested in increasing their subscriber count, as monetization directly depends on it. And the best tool for this is hype. Just like in the rest of the blogosphere, actually.

[guest]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

But I would like to hope that they will throw yellow and blue rags with a stinking trident at the mausoleum.

I'd also like to have hope, because, as they say, hope dies last. And one question arose: will they drape the mausoleum?

[jovanni]

According to General Gerasimov,

Here's the key clarification: We know their value...

[g_ae]

Where's the wig and red nose? This is out of order. He's not dressed in the proper uniform for the chief of staff.

[RuAbel]

It's sad to see this mixture of Kashpirovsky's session and the speech of the late Brezhnev(((

[Gardamir]

I watched Brezhnev’s speech at the 26th Congress of the CPSU in 1981. A normal speech.

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Hello
Please note that the soldiers have been sitting on the line of contact for three years without rotation, and some of them, the poor things, can't fly out of Dubai.
In the rear, some factories are not provided with state defense orders
You won't believe it, three months without work
and during this time it would have been possible to produce something that could have wiped out a mid-sized regional center.
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the conclusion is sad

[Chack wessel]

I look at the photo - what a spiritual face Gerasimov has!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Chack Wessel

What a spiritual face Gerasimov has!

Reminded: "She drooled and smiled in her sleep."...

[kig]

Creating a safety zone: is this what we now call the transition from active to passive actions? That is, holding positions.

[Gavrilo Princip]

Like during the First World War or something?

[kig]

Like during the Iran-Iraq war.

[oleg_627]

How much we would like to liberate Ukraine and now this incomprehensible general is drawing a security strip and it will become smaller and smaller (unless, with our leadership, it passes through our land)

[Amateur]

It would be interesting to hear from General Gerasimov not about liberating a barrier booth at yet another crossing, but about the complete liberation of Donbas. What successes can we talk about if, after four years, the SVO has failed to liberate the DPR and pockets of occupation remain in the LPR.
And this doesn’t include the shelling of Belgorod and Bryansk.

[Maverick1812]

The security zone is the border of the Lviv region! Tell that to the Chief of General Staff, he doesn't know that enemy weapons have a range of 2000 km.

[Limrak]

While this great commander is creating his own security zone...especially with such methods...fulfilling his own orders to limit and prohibit many of the army's capabilities (essentially playing a game of giveaway with the enemy), so while he is creating it with such methods and at such a pace, then practically nothing important will remain inside Russia...in the form of factories and industries needed to create both weapons and other necessary things...in the form of fuel and energy...not to mention the killing of the country's citizens.

[alexboguslavski]

The security strip must end at this point (photo), only then will Russia be guaranteed this very security.

[Idle_piston]

General Gerasimov: GV Sever continues to create a security zone

It’s clear that everything is continuing; there was no need to show off our lights for this.