Trump is being advised to launch a nuclear strike to obtain an alternative to Hormuz.

Use nuclear weapon Former Republican Speaker of the US House of Representatives Newt Gingrich called on Trump to take action in the Middle East. He wrote this on a social media site banned in Russia.

According to Gingrich, Trump doesn't necessarily need to unblock the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran is so desperately clinging to. Instead, he needs to use nuclear weapons to create an alternative shipping route for oil tankers that would be "protected from Iranian attack."

Instead of endlessly fighting over a 21-mile narrow passage, we'll dig a new canal through friendly territory. A dozen thermonuclear explosions—and you'll have a waterway wider than the Panama Canal, deeper than the Suez Canal, and safe from Iranian attack.

Trump's 82-year-old party ally seems to be slowly losing touch with reality, proposing the use of thermonuclear bombs to create an alternative route out of the Persian Gulf or to relegate Iran to the Stone Age. Any use of nuclear weapons could trigger World War III. Let's hope Trump is wiser than Gingrich.

Meanwhile, Trump is still trying to build a coalition to unblock the Strait of Hormuz, and is also planning a ground operation.

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[Hunter 2]

The old man has completely lost touch with reality... why do we need news from the madhouse?

[Junior Private]

Nowadays all the news is from madhouses.

[Pavel_Bastrygin]

Let's hope Trump has more brains than Gingrich.

He may have more intelligence, but he's certainly no less insane... In his speeches, he left both Aloisych and Goebbels far behind in terms of insanity)))

[Revolver]

He's smarter than the gerontocrats of the late USSR. He, mind you, proposes using nuclear charges (not weapons!) to dig a canal through someone else's territory. And in the USSR they were actually used to dig through itsThey even planned to use this very method to dig new channels to the Caspian for the great Siberian rivers; thank God, the infamous perestroika removed this topic from the agenda.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Actually, there were also projects to lay canals in the USA.
In the USSR there was practical use in extinguishing a gas well and an experimental experiment in laying

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

In the USSR there was practical use in extinguishing a gas well and an experimental experiment in laying

I haven't been there myself, but they say the Nuclear Lake in Perm Krai, created by an underground explosion, has perfectly natural radiation levels. People relax, fish, and pick mushrooms all around.
And just 55 years have passed... Just a little more patience from Europe and America, and an alternative to the Strait of Hormuz is ready to supply them with oil. Unless the sons of today's Iranians shut it down, too.

The article is a bit confusing. Digging canals and lakes, putting out fires—what does nuclear weapons have to do with it? You dig a trench with a shovel, not a machine gun... Even though both are made of steel.

[kromer]

Quote: Zoldat_A

The article is a bit confusing. Digging canals and lakes, putting out fires—what does nuclear weapons have to do with it?

"Closing the straits is tantamount to Turkey declaring war on the USSR. The USSR fleet would only need a couple of missile salvos. As a result, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages to the Mediterranean would appear, but, alas, there would be no Istanbul." (c) USSR Foreign Minister A. Gromyko

[Zoldat_A]

A good approach to the problem of canal construction.
But that's not what I'm talking about right now.

[Evgeny64]

Well, especially if you consider that if they build a second strait, they will have to blow it up in the UAE and Oman, and not on their own territory.
As far as I understand, they are not going to ask the Emirates and Oman?

[Mitka]

Yes! This is how the Great Country spoke with its "partners"!!! Short and clear!!!

[WFP]

Why go so far? After the implementation of the "Klivazh" project at the Yuny Kommunar mine in Yenakiyevo, background radiation levels remained unchanged, even though the explosion occurred right under the urban agglomeration.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I haven't been there myself, but they say the Nuclear Lake in Perm Krai, created by an underground explosion, has perfectly natural radiation levels. People relax, fish, and pick mushrooms all around.
And only some 55 years have passed...

I confirm, I lived 36 km from the site of that explosion at the time. There used to be a village called Rusinovo there, but the taiga has since reclaimed it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Digging canals and lakes, putting out fires - what does nuclear weapons have to do with it?

I mean a nuclear charge

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Zoldat_A

Digging canals and lakes, putting out fires - what does nuclear weapons have to do with it?

I mean a nuclear charge

I just interpreted it as it was said in the article.

Instead it is necessary use nuclear weaponsto create an alternative sea route for oil tankers

Well, I understood perfectly well what was meant. But for most people, "nuclear charge" and "nuclear weapons" are different concepts. Especially when it comes to laying canals in a region where a war is going on (see the quote from A.A. Gromyko, cited by a colleague). Valery (kromer) (See above). Agree. Vladimir Ivanovich, with the wording "weapon," there will always be readers who imagine the channel being laid using successive nuclear strikes, for example, with missiles carrying nuclear warheads.

[lukash66]

Quote: Nagan

He's smarter than the gerontocrats of the late USSR. He, mind you, proposes using nuclear charges (not weapons!) to dig a canal through someone else's territory. And in the USSR they were actually used to dig through itsThey even planned to use this very method to dig new channels to the Caspian for the great Siberian rivers; thank God, the infamous perestroika removed this topic from the agenda.

What are you making up? I personally served at the Central Nuclear Power Plant (CNPPP), and even there they conducted underground test explosions. '84-'86. There were three in two years during my tenure. Then the moratorium. That's it.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nagan

He, mind you, is proposing to use nuclear charges (not weapons!) to dig a canal through foreign territory. But the USSR actually used them to dig a canal through its own. They even planned to use this very method to dig new channels for the great Siberian rivers to the Caspian Sea.

This happened. But not for Siberian rivers, but for those in the Northern Urals.
In 1973, 36 km from my village, in the Cherdynsky District of the Perm Region, three nuclear explosive devices were detonated as part of the Taiga Project, designed to divert water from the Pechora River through the Kolva-Kama and Volga Rivers to the Caspian Sea. I vividly remember the earth shaking and the lightbulbs swaying under the ceiling. A lake formed at the site of the explosion, now labeled "Nuclear Lake" on Yandex Maps. However, something apparently went wrong, or the results were lower than expected, but the project was shelved, limited to one incident. Now, the forest around the lake has grown, and tourists go there to fish. Radiation levels are normal.
They say that one charge didn't work and remained in the well at a depth of 100 meters, but this is probably just folklore.

[svarog77]

Read up on the American "Ploughshare" project... Maybe then you'll waste less time on crap...

[Vladislav_2]

Trump is being advised to launch a nuclear strike to gain an alternative to Hormuz... I see the stakes are being raised. This idiot is becoming toxic and it's unknown what he'll do next!...there was the Afghan disgrace (let's not talk about the Vietnamese one) and now the Iranian one is brewing. ...losing face in front of his jackals isn't exactly a bad idea either. Now he's faced with the dilemma of how to bounce back from this without asking any questions.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vladislav_2

There was the Afghan disgrace (let's not talk about the Vietnamese one) and now the Iranian one is brewing

The only good thing for America here is that after Vietnam, the media didn't reach the point of being so powerful as to report on a global American victory.
They talked about Afghanistan and "victory," but it was weak, because no matter what you make up, the results after 20 years are still rather weak. Replace the Taliban with the Taliban.
Now, no one will drag it out for 20 years for many reasons. One of them is that Trump doesn't have them physically; he needs to "win" here and now. Therefore, the smartest thing for him is to drop everything as is, get out of there, and rely entirely on his media and Hollywood—they'll tell you everything they need to know. They've already told you about Iraq, for example. Look at "The Hurt Locker"—six Oscars... And now, poor Trump is the only one exhausted, talking about "victory."

[Andriuha077]

I especially liked: through friendly territory
thermonuclear

[Alec]

To all my thermonuclear friends.

[TermNachTer]

The plan is as reliable as a Swiss watch))) Did you ask the Arabs?)))

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: TermNachTER

The plan is as reliable as a Swiss watch))) Did you ask the Arabs?)))

And when did Americans ever ask Arabs anything?
Unless, of course, you count the recent times when the Arabs have bought up calculators and don't want to lower oil prices on American orders.

And the Arabs were like Swiss watches. Unreasonably expensive, ostentatiously luxurious, and, in a utilitarian sense, completely useless. It's time to find out—a Chinese quartz watch for a dollar is perfectly adequate.
By the way, if I need to appear somewhere in a way that will draw attention to my wrist, I take out my father's gold-plated "Commander's" award watch. Foreigners are just as interested in it as the Swiss ones.

[TermNachTer]

Well, I have Swiss ones, but the most ordinary ones – Wenger, shockproof, dustproof, waterproof, with luminous hands and numbers. Convenient and reliable. I'm not going to buy a watch for 50 thousand bucks.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: TermNachTER

I have a Swiss watch, but the most ordinary one – Wenger, shockproof, dustproof, waterproof, with luminous hands and numbers. Convenient and reliable. I'm not going to buy a watch for 50 thousand bucks.

I'm not familiar with the brand, and I haven't looked into the prices of Swiss watches. But in terms of the functionality you described, it's the same as the "Komandirskie" (Commander's) watch. It does everything you need and is sufficient. I have a bit of a history to add: after all, it's my father's, an award, and therefore gold-plated. Especially since I know what it was for—a rare occurrence among all my father's awards.
Besides, 50 thousand American dollars can be spent much more cheerfully and with greater benefit for the mind and body than dragging almost your own car on your hand.

[TermNachTer]

Wenger is a fairly well-known company, making products for the military, tourists, mountain climbers, and so on. They make watches, knives, thermoses, and tents. My knife is also a Wenger Nomad, but they sold their knife production to Victorinox. The watch is good, too—it displays the date and day of the week, has a large dial, and large luminous numerals, making it easy to see at night and underwater. It's no wonder that Swiss watches were considered a valuable trophy during WWII. When I bought it, it cost $450—good quality for a reasonable price.

[Zoldat_A]

I know Victorinox, but I prefer custom-made ones. "A hundred in one" isn't my thing. I also have a couple of hand-made ones. Friends call me crazy about them because I have about three dozen, not counting the kitchen ones (though I only really use two or three). But I don't think that's all that many...
I've never been particularly interested in Swiss watches, so I don't know.

[TermNachTer]

Well, I use the Nomad as a penknife, for cutting sausage, bread, and opening a bottle of wine. For serious work, serious knives. For fun, I even have a karambit. True, I don't know how to make one myself—good people make them.

[vadson]

Quote: Andriuha077

I especially liked: through friendly territory
thermonuclear

I don't mind, let them start from Israeli territory

[Sky strike fighter]

According to Gingrich, Trump doesn't necessarily need to unblock the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran is so desperately clinging to. Instead, he needs to use nuclear weapons to create an alternative shipping route for oil tankers that would be "protected from Iranian attack."

A masterpiece. Another contender for the Peace Prize. He's working hard for peace. Question: Where and when did nuclear explosions create new straits? I'm just curious. Maybe someone knows about these miracles. I haven't heard of them. Nuclear tests were conducted, but no new straits were ever discovered at the test sites. How is that possible? Otherwise, the Semipalatinsk Ocean would have long ago formed at the site of the nuclear weapons tests.

Instead of forever fighting over a 21-mile narrow passage, we'll dig a new canal through friendly territory. A dozen thermonuclear explosions—and you'll have a waterway wider than the Panama Canal, deeper than the Suez Canal, and safe from Iranian attack.

Call upon the ancient and great representatives of the Krivoy Rog Empire; they have invaluable experience in digging out the Black Sea. They will quickly dig a new strait.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Actually, we've already tried it. It's a shame not to know.
Lake Yadernoye is a large artificial lake in the northern Perm region. It was created by three nuclear explosions conducted in March 1971 as part of the Taiga Project. The craters from the explosions formed a large canal with a parapet, which gradually filled with water.
They were going to direct the waters of the Pechora into the Kama and Volga, breaking through the channel with nuclear explosions.
As they write, protests from the international community forced the project to be stopped.

[Sky strike fighter]

Well, it's clear that it's one thing for an explosion to create a hole that can be filled with water, but it's another thing for straits, the dimensions of which are measured in tens of kilometers.

In the northern Perm region, amid the endless green expanses of the Ural taiga, lies a body of water that at first glance appears ordinary. The dark blue surface of Lake Yadernoye, measuring approximately 700 by 400 meters, conceals a history that became part of Soviet experiments with peaceful nuclear energy. ... To conserve resources, engineers proposed an unusual solution: using underground nuclear explosions to create channels. This is how the experimental "Taiga" project was born. In March 1971, three underground nuclear explosions, each yielding 15 kilotons, were detonated in the Cherdynsky district—similar to the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. These explosions created a crater that later filled with water, becoming Lake Yadernoye. The explosions were initially deemed successful, but the results of the experiment raised many questions. The radioactive trail stretched for 25 kilometers, and traces of dust were detected as far away as Sweden. These consequences put an end to the use of atomic energy for canal construction.

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[carpenter]

Quote: Andriuha077

I especially liked: through friendly territory
thermonuclear

The Yankees and the Japanese were enemies, the Yankees bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and immediately the Japanese and the Yankees became friends.

[Michael]

Instead, nuclear weapons should be used to create an alternative sea route for oil tankers that would be "protected from Iranian attack."

[Sky strike fighter]

And then the Americans plagiarized the idea.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ Apparently, Trump's 82-year-old party ally is slowly losing touch with reality ❞ —

- More likely, lost it ten years ago ...

[Andrey Khramov]

"...Apparently, Trump's 82-year-old party ally is slowly losing touch with reality..."
Who in the US isn't a lunatic?

[Ovsigovets]

that is, a congressman... however

[Montezuma]

Quote: Ovsigovets

that is, a congressman... however

Apparently, he is an honorary congressman, he has earned it based on his years of service.

[Vadim S]

Grandpa is old, but I don't care!
And it’s far from home, you never know who lives there, so they think

[Normann]

I wonder if everything is alright with his head?

[boris]

You don't even have to ask. It's clear he's not quite right in the head.

[Simargl]

it is necessary to use nuclear weapons to create an alternative sea route

The crater from a megaton ground explosion is about 200 m in diameter and 60 m deep (+/- so)... how much would need to be blown up?

Any use of nuclear weapons could trigger the start of World War III.

...or stir up tectonic plates...

Let's hope Trump has more brains than Gingrich.

Here, it's more about the brakes. He may be smart, but he has no brakes.

Meanwhile, Trump is still trying to create a coalition to unblock the Strait of Hormuz.

But we need to think about how to get out while saving face. This is related to the question above.

[alovrov]

In the USSR, they tried digging, but it didn't work. The slabs didn't even budge. The energy wasn't there; it was like hammering on a battleship.

[Simargl]

You have no idea where we tried to do something.
It's one thing to be in the continental part of the plate, and another to be in the zone of mobility.

[Amateur]

Why does Trump need a bomb when he has ESTONIA with a formidable navy and a victorious army.
Tremble, everyone!!!

[Leonid Dymov]

I believe the US and Israel will use nuclear weapons out of desperation, destroying Iran. Russia must make it clear that it will use TNW against launchers that fire nuclear-tipped missiles. Only this will stop the US and Israel. The time has come for Russia to deliver a deterrent TNW strike to cool the hotheads pushing the world toward nuclear war.

[Alf]

Trump's 82-year-old party ally is slowly losing touch with reality, proposing the use of thermonuclear bombs to drive Iran back to the Stone Age.

Biden has already set sail, this one is already setting sail.

Quote: Leonid Dymov

The time has come for Russia to launch a deterrent strike with TNW,

Another candidate has emerged...

[Right hand of the eye]

Quote: Leonid Dymov

Russia must make it clear that it will use TNW against launchers that fire missiles with nuclear warheads. Only this will stop the US and Israel. The time has come for Russia to launch a deterrent TNW strike.

Cool! I support it.)))

[matsur]

Trump is still trying to build a coalition to unblock the Strait of Hormuz.

He's looking for idiots to rake in the heat for him =)))

[Alf]

Quote from Matsur

Trump is still trying to build a coalition to unblock the Strait of Hormuz.

He's looking for idiots to rake in the heat for him =)))

It will be funny (though not very) if he finds it.

[Alf]

It will be funny (though not very) if he finds it.

It's worth noting that Tsakhkna, back in early March, declared Estonia's readiness to send its troops to the Middle East to participate in the conflict with Iran on the side of the United States and Israel. But only if Tallinn's allies so requested.

So...There's already one...

[Mapping]

It's about time they used nuclear weapons. Pakistan doesn't know what to do with Afghanistan. And now they just fired nuclear weapons and the Taliban are gone.

[Boycott]

Unique original

Gromyko responded strangely, saying that no one needed the Bosphorus.

And he added: “...just two volleys, and in addition to the Bosphorus, more straits will appear, although I’m not sure whether Istanbul will remain.”

and a pathetic copy.

[Right hand of the eye]

Well, here we go...))), - what people with at least a little analytical mind and knowledge of the essence of those with whom (what elites rule the West) we are dealing, feared and predicted for a long time, as a completely probable development of events...
Now, Sam's media is carefully pushing this idea (of a nuclear strike on Iran) to the masses, first by broadcasting the opinion of some second-hand senator... The reason is clear – to study the subsequent resonance and response in society, to prepare it morally. And then... when and if they realize that Western society is ready for such a scenario, accepts and understands it, and is not opposed in principle, Sam is sure that if they see no other victorious prospects for themselves in relation to Iran, they will certainly resort to using nuclear weapons against Iran. Of that, I have no doubt.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I agree, the use of nuclear weapons by the US is entirely possible. The red-headed nut has repeatedly proven his incompetence, so anything can be expected from him. We need to think about how to counteract and what to do in response if this happens.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Hand of the Eye

It's clear why - to study the subsequent resonance and response in society, and to prepare it for morale.

Iran's neighbors would be especially happy with this option, but that's not certain.
P.S. Just in case, this is sarcasm.

[Right hand of the eye]

Sarcasm, obviously. However, naturally, no one will or intends to ask Iran's neighbors. The former senator is exclusively warming up and preparing the American masses (the domestic electorate, the sheep).

[Livonetc]

"loses touch with reality by proposing the use of thermonuclear bombs to create an alternative route from the Persian Gulf."
Well, in fact, the USSR actually worked on the option of transferring northern rivers to the south using nuclear explosions.
Project Taiga.
Experimental nuclear explosions were carried out in mines.
Something was miscalculated.
The project was closed.

[alovrov]

In fact, the USSR carried out over 200 nuclear explosions for the national economy. And yes, they dug canals, or at least tried to. Because nothing worked. The stupid belief in the immense power of nuclear weapons collided with the harsh reality that it doesn't work properly.

[Right hand of the eye]

Alice doesn't agree with you... -

No, this statement is incorrect. Between 1965 and 1988, the USSR conducted 124 peaceful nuclear explosions as part of the state program "Nuclear Explosions for the National Economy," 117 of which were outside nuclear weapons test sites.
ru.wikipedia.org*
All the explosions were underground. They were usually low-yield, but some reached 80–140 kilotons.

)))

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Everything would have worked out there if it weren’t for the protests from abroad; then they were afraid of radiation and other side effects.

[snow mountain]

Let's hope Trump has more sense than Gingrich.

And not really anymore

[Sergey Novikov_3]

Something similar happened in the Soviet Union, when Gromyko proposed "dig" an alternative to the Bosphorus Strait, but without Istanbul.

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Novikov_3

Something similar happened in the Soviet Union, when Gromyko proposed "dig" an alternative to the Bosphorus Strait, but without Istanbul.

[andrey martov]

Trump will definitely use nuclear weapons and Trump even knows which Iranian city and it will be the city of Tehran, Saqqi and Tehran, Shima...

[Right hand of the eye]

I don't think they've quite decided yet, but which city and when...))). I'm sure they (the Ziono-Saxon lawless ones) only started thinking about this possible solution now, when their early plans for Iran have gone to hell, sorry...) Previously, they obviously thought they could handle it anyway..., but now that things haven't gone according to plan, they're forced to consider this option... And they won't back down... They'll use whatever it takes in the end... And, of course, there's no force in the world right now that could even prevent them from doing this, either by force of authority or sobering, deterrent threats. They have nothing and no one to fear, and the Ziono-Saxon gang that rules the West has no and never has had any moral principles... They'll go for it, I have no doubt, but only when they're absolutely certain that there's no other way to bring down Iran. The only deterrent for them now, by the way, is that "negative" precipitation and winds could hit their beloved Israel... and, what if, in response, Iran bombs the nuclear center in Israel... That's all that stops them... alas, and not moral, ethical, humane, etc. principles and guidelines that are simply alien to these inhuman creatures.

[bob03]

The people of the UAE must now be inspired by this magnificent idea.

[tabex]

Lord, why do you take clowns so seriously? We had some like that too, and we still have some.

[Alf]

Quote: tabex

Lord, why do you take clowns so seriously? We had some like that too, and we still have some.

That's the problem, the one in the picture was a loud but toothless clown, but the clown from the Other Side has quite a tooth...

[Sergey T19]

It's completely unclear what he was planning to blow up there. But it would have been possible to extend a network of oil pipelines across the entire peninsula. It's unclear why they didn't think about it after all these years.

[opuonmed]

Well, if they think it will be beneficial for US soldiers and for the US, then they will launch a nuclear strike, and won’t ask anyone!

[Fangaro]

Instead of forever fighting over a 21-mile chokepoint, we'll dig a new canal through friendly territory. A dozen thermonuclear explosions—...

And there will be no friends, no friendly territory, no new channel.
And if Gringich, let's say, doesn't care about friends or friendly territories, then a thermonuclear explosion is capable of blowing up a pit along the markings, where the excess rock needs to be moved, and where the radiation needs to be cleaned up?

But they remembered Grandpa Gringi, they remembered him! Now they'll have something to tell their great-grandchildren.

[flicker]

This needs to be carved in granite.

Instead of endlessly fighting over a 21-mile narrow passage, we'll dig a new canal through friendly territory. A dozen thermonuclear explosions—and you'll have a waterway wider than the Panama Canal, deeper than the Suez Canal, and safe from Iranian attack.

Thermonuclear explosions, through FRIENDLY territory.

[Alf]

Quote: flicker

This needs to be carved in granite.

The shock wave itself will carve everything out. And leave silhouettes. As a memento.

[nordscout]

In short and to the point: they are trying with all their might to "bring Donald Fredovich under the yoke", with subsequent impeachment...

[Mitka]

It would be better to make a strait from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic. Through Washington!

[nik-mazur]

Instead of fighting forever over a 21-mile narrow passage, we will dig a new canal through friendly territory.

I wonder where exactly. If it's in the northern UAE, that would make the canal less than 40 km long. But that's only 100 km from Iran. Farther than it is now, of course, but not that it's a huge deal.
Further south, it's a 200-kilometer dig, and that includes crossing Oman. Meanwhile, the distance from Iran isn't much further—only about 150 kilometers.
Again, there is no guarantee that the area with the canal will be friendly forever.

[Father of papa carlo]

And what if there are mountains there?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Father of Pope Carlo

It's okay that there are mountains there

There are no obstacles for thermonuclear charges.

[Father of papa carlo]

Grandpa wanted to go to the toilet, but forgot why...

[Dilettante grandfather]

Let's hope Trump has more brains than Gingrich.

It's not very noticeable, unfortunately.

[sgr291158]

Two idiots, that's a force to be reckoned with. You can expect anything from these two old men. Especially from this one who was nominated for the Peace Prize.

[Kelwin]

Does this old stump even know how to count?) You can't make a strait named after Stalin, but here there are a dozen explosions, well, well) Idiot....

[Romanenko]

Trump is being advised to launch a nuclear strike to obtain an alternative to Hormuz.

And indeed, the world began to grow stupid.... (A.S. Griboyedov)

[torbas41]

The right decision, we in turn can expand the Bosphorus and Dardanelles in exactly the same way.