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The history of anti-Stalinist myths - "The law of the five spikelets"

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The history of anti-Stalinist myths - "The law of the five spikelets"

One of the manifestations of the Stalinist repressive policy in the countryside is the resolution of the Central Election Commission and Council of People's Commissars of the USSR issued on 7 on August 1932 of August “On the protection of state enterprises, collective farms and cooperation and the strengthening of social (socialist) property”, often referred to in the publicist literature as the “Five Spikelets Law”.


Were there any rational grounds for the adoption of this resolution?

The then Soviet legislation was distinguished by extreme gentleness towards criminals. Even for premeditated murder with aggravating circumstances, no more than 10 years of imprisonment were supposed [11, p. 70]. The punishments for theft were almost symbolic. The secret theft of another's property, committed without the use of any technical means, for the first time and without collusion with others, entailed imprisonment or forced labor for up to three months.

Repeatedly committed, or in respect of property that is obviously necessary for the existence of the victim, is a prison sentence of up to six months.

Committed with the use of technical equipment or repeatedly, or by prior agreement with other persons, as well as, albeit without specified conditions, committed at stations, wharves, steamers, in wagons and hotels - imprisonment for up to one year.

Committed by a private person from state and public warehouses, wagons, ships and other storage facilities or at public places indicated in the preceding paragraph, through the use of technical equipment or in collusion with other persons or repeatedly, as well as by a person who had special access to these warehouses or their guard, or during a fire, flood or other public disaster - imprisonment for up to two years or forced labor for up to one year.

Perfect from state and public warehouses and storages by a person who had special access to those or protected them, by using technical means or repeatedly, or in collusion with others, as well as any theft from the same warehouses and storages, with especially large amounts of stolen, - imprisonment for up to five years. [11, p. 76 – 77].

Of course, such mild sentences did not frighten the lovers of someone else's good: “The thieves themselves defiantly declared:“ You will meet me again in a year. You can't give me more. ” One judge said that some inveterate thief, detained for committing one theft, confessed to committing four more thefts in recent months. When asked about the reason for the confession he made, he said that in any case he would be sentenced to only one year! ”[10, p. 396].

However, for the time being, the superhumanity of the Soviet laws was compensated by informal means. The peasants who constituted the majority of the population from time immemorial, were accustomed to defending their property, without resorting to the help of official justice.

However, as a result of collectivization, a vast array of public property was formed. General - it means a draw. The newly-minted collective farmers, who zealously defended their property, as a rule, were not eager to take care of collective-farm goodness in the same way. Moreover, many of them strive to steal what is badly lying.

The letter L.M. Kaganovich from July 20 1932. Stalin so argued the need for a new law:
“Recently, first of all, theft of cargoes on railway public transport has become more frequent (they are plundering tens of millions of 101 rubles); secondly, the theft of cooperative and collective farm property. Plunders are mainly organized by fists (dispossessed) and other anti-Soviet elements that are trying to undermine our new system. By law, these gentlemen are considered as ordinary thieves, receive two or three years in prison (formal), but in fact through the 6 – 8 months are amnestied. Such a regime for these gentlemen, which cannot be called socialist, only encourages them in essence a real counter-revolutionary "work." To tolerate such a situation is unthinkable ”[6, p. 115].

Of course, theft must be punished. However, the penalties provided for by the 7 Decree of August 1932 look excessively harsh (Stalin himself in the above-cited letter called them "draconian"). If we proceed from the letter of the Ordinance, the main punishment for the theft of goods in transport, as well as for the theft (theft) of collective and cooperative property was to be shot with confiscation of property, and only if there are extenuating circumstances - 10 years of imprisonment [7].

How was it in practice? The results of the application of the law since its publication on 1 in January 1933 in the RSFSR are as follows: 3,5% were convicted to the highest measure, 10% to prison years and to 60,3% below [36,2, p. 1]. Of the last 2,% of convicts received non-custodial sentences [80, p. 10].

It should be noted that not all sentences were carried out to the highest degree: by 1 in January of 1933, the general courts in the RSFSR carried out 2686 death sentences according to the Decree of August 7. In addition, the RSFSR accounts for a hefty part of the sentences imposed by linear transport courts (812 death sentences in the whole USSR) and military tribunals (208 sentences in the USSR) [10, p. 139]. However, the Supreme Court of the RSFSR reviewed almost half of these sentences. More excuses handed down the Presidium of the CEC. According to the People's Commissar of Justice of the RSFSR N.V. Krylenko, on 1 in January of 1933, the total number of people executed under the law of August 7 in the RSFSR did not exceed a thousand [10, p. 112].

17 November 1932 of the Year The Board of the People's Commissariat of Justice of the RSFSR decided to limit the application of article 51 of the RSFSR Criminal Code, which allowed passing sentences below the lower limit provided for by law for committing this crime. From now on, the right to apply Article 51 was granted only to regional and regional courts. People's courts, when they considered it necessary to mitigate the punishment below the limit, should have put the matter before the regional or regional court [1, p. 2].

At the same time, the Board indicated that in each individual case of attracting a worker for petty embezzlement, it was necessary to approach differentially and in particularly exceptional circumstances (need, multi-family, insignificant number of stolen, lack of mass embezzlement of such embezzlement) could be terminated in the order of art. 6 UK RSFSR [1, p. 2].

The restriction on the use of the 51 article, and especially the 7 – 12 of January 1933, which took place on January 7, the combined plenum of the Central Committee and the Central Control Commission of the CPSU (B) forced the judges to exercise greater severity. As a result, in the RSFSR out of those convicted under the Law of 1 in August from 1 January to 1933 in May 5,4, the highest measure received 10%, 84,5 years of imprisonment - 10,1%, softer punishments - 1% [2, p. XNUMX]. However, the death rate still remained very low.

Who fell under the punitive law of the Law of August 7?

“Three peasants, two of whom according to the indictment, fists, and according to the information submitted to them — not fists, but the middle peasants — took the collective farm boat for a whole day and left for fishing. And for this unauthorized use of the collective farm boat applied the decree of August 7, was sentenced to a very serious measure of punishment. Or another case where, by 7 decree of August, an entire family was convicted for engaging in fish from a river that passed by a collective farm. Or the third case, when one guy was convicted by the 7 decree of August for having dabbled in the barn with the girls at night, as stated in the verdict, and this caused concern to the collective farm pig. The wise judge knew, of course, that the collective farm pig was part of the collective farm property, and the collective farm property was sacred and inviolable. Therefore, this wise man reasoned, you need to apply the 7 of August decree and condemn “for anxiety” to the 10 years of imprisonment.

We have sentences with very serious social protection measures because someone struck a collective farm piglet (again a piglet), caused him some bodily injury: the August 7 decree was applied as a violation of public property ”[3, p. 102 – 103].

These facts are cited in their pamphlet by the famous Stalin prosecutor A.Ya. Vyshinsky. However, it immediately makes an important addition:
“True, these sentences are continuously canceled, the judges themselves are steadily removed from their posts, but still it characterizes the level of political understanding, the political outlook of those who can pass such sentences” [3, p. 103].

And here are a number of similar examples.

“Kollekhoz Alekseenko for the careless attitude to the village. -h. inventory, which resulted in partial abandonment of inventory after repair in the open air, was sentenced by the people's court under the law 7 / VIII 1932 to the city of 10, l / s. At the same time, the case was not fully established so that the inventory received full or partial disrepair (D. narsuda Kamensky r. No. 1169 18 / II – 33) ...

Kolkhoznik Lazutkin, working on the collective farm as a ox-driver, let the bulls out on the street during harvesting. One ox slipped and broke his leg, as a result of which, by order of the board, he was slaughtered. Narsud Kamensky district 20 / II 1933. Sentenced Lazutkin under the law 7 / VIII to 10 g. L / s.

A religious minister of Pomazkov, 78 l., Climbed the bell tower to remove the snow, and found there 2 bags of corn, which he immediately told the village council. The latter sent for verification of people who discovered another bag of wheat. Narsud Kamensky district 8 / II 1933 was sentenced Pomazkova under the law 7 / VIII to 10 g. L / s.

Collective farmer Kambulov Narsud Kamensky district 6 / IV 1933 was sentenced under the law 7 / VIII to 10 g. L / s for the fact that he (being the head of the collective farm collective farm “Poor man”) allegedly hung a collective farmer, resulting in a volatile audit excess grain found in one barn in 375 kilo. Narsud did not take into account Kambulov’s statements about checking other barns, since, according to his statement, due to improper write-off there should be a lack of the same amount of grain in another barn. Already after Kambulov’s conviction, his testimony was confirmed, since this grain was taken to another barn, and there was a shortage of 375 kg ...

Narsud 3 uch. Shakhtinsky, now Kamensky, district 31 / III 1933. The collective farmer Ovcharov accused that “the latter gathered a handful of grain and ate because he was very hungry and exhausted and had no strength to work” ... according to Art. 162 CC to 2 g. L / s. ”[8, p. 4 – 5].

Each of these facts could be an excellent excuse for exposing the "crimes of the Stalinist regime," if it were not for a small detail, all these absurd sentences were immediately revised.

The condemnation "for the spikelets" was not the norm, but lawlessness:

“On the other hand, every employee of justice was required not to allow the law to be applied in cases when its use would discredit it: in cases of theft in extremely small amounts or under extremely heavy material need of the robber” [2, p. 2].
However, it is not for nothing that they say: “Make a fool to pray to God - he will hurt his head!” The low level of legal literacy of local personnel, along with excessive zeal, led to massive “excesses”. As A.Ya. Vyshinsky, “here we can talk about a“ leftist ”perversion, when everyone who commits petty theft was brought under the class enemy” [3, p. 102].

They struggled with excesses, in particular, demanding to apply the article 162 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR to minor thefts, which, as we recall, provided for a much less severe punishment:

“In a number of cases, the law was unreasonably applied to workers who committed theft either on a small scale or out of need. That is why it was pointed out that it was necessary to use Article 162 and other articles of the Criminal Code in these cases ”[2, p. 2].

Such judicial errors, as a rule, were immediately corrected:

“According to the data recorded in a special resolution of the NCJU Board, the number of canceled sentences in the period from August 7 1932 to July 1 1933 from 50 to 60%” [3, p. 100].

But among the convicts under the Law of 7 of August, there were also experienced plunderers.

From the note of deputy. Chairman of the OGPU G.E. Prokofiev and the head of the Economic Department of the OGPU L.G. Mironov addressed I.V. Stalin on 20 March 1933:

“From the cases of embezzlement opened by the OGPU for the reported two weeks, the large bread thefts that took place in Rostov-on-Don attract attention. The whole Rosstrokhlebokombinat system was embezzled by embezzlement: a bakery, 2 mills, 2 bakeries, and 33 shops, of which bread was sold to the public. More than 6 thous. Pounds, bread, 1 thous. Pounds, sugar, 500 pounds, bran and other products were stolen. The lack of clear reporting and control, as well as criminal nepotism and employee spikes contributed to embezzlement. Public worker control, attached to the bread trading network, did not justify its purpose. In all established cases of embezzlement, the controllers were accomplices, affixing with their signatures knowingly fictitious acts to undertake the bread, to write off shrinkage and to weight, etc. In the case, 54 people were arrested, of which 5 are members of the CPSU (b.) ...

In the Taganrog branch of Soyuztrans, the organization of 62 chauffeurs, porters and port employees, among whom a significant number of former were identified, was eliminated. kulaks, merchants, as well as the criminal element. The organization during transport stole goods on the way, transported from the port. The size of the theft can be judged by the fact that only grains and flour were stolen around 1500 pounds ”[9, p. 417 – 418].

“6 thousand pounds of bread ... 1500 pounds of grain and flour ...” These are not “ears”.

Strict measures bore fruit. Thus, embezzlement on transport has been reduced from 9332 cases across the entire network in August 1932 of the year to 2514 cases of June in 1933 of the year [2, p. 1]. Theft of collective farm property has also decreased. The Central Committee of the CPSU (b) and the SNK of the USSR 8 in May 1933 of the year issue a joint instruction “On the termination of the use of mass evictions and acute forms of repression in the village”.

“This ruling means a fundamental change in the entire punitive policy of the judiciary. It requires shifting the center of gravity to massive political and organizational work, and emphasizes the need for a more accurate, clearer, more organized strike at the class enemy, since the old methods of fighting have become obsolete and in the current situation are not suitable. The directive means the cessation, as a rule, of massive and acute forms of repression in connection with the final victory of the collective farm system in the village. New methods in the new environment should be carried out "policy of revolutionary coercion" [1, p. 2].

The use of the Law of August 7 on 1932 is drastically reduced (see the Table 1). From now on, it was to be used only for the most serious, large-scale thefts.


Table - Number of convicts 1932 year


A similar picture was observed in Ukraine. The number of convicts under the Law of 7 of August 1932 of the year by the general courts of the Ukrainian SSR was:

1933 - 12 767
1934-2757
1935 –730 people

Moreover, in January 1936, rehabilitation of convicts under this law began in accordance with Decree No. 36 / 78 of the CEC and SNK of the USSR dated 16 in January 1936 of the year “On the inspection of cases of persons convicted on the basis of the decree of the CEC and SNK of the USSR dated 7 August 1932 of“ On protecting the property of state-owned enterprises, collective farms and cooperations and strengthening social (socialist) property ”[4].

As a result, the number of people convicted for plundering socialist property under the law of August 7, held in correctional labor camps (ITL), almost tripled during the year 1936 (see Table 2).


Table - Number of convicts 1932 year


Thus, the task of the Resolution from 7 of August 1932 of the year was not to plant and shoot as many people as possible, but to sharply toughen up the responsibility measures to protect socialist property from plunderers. At the initial stage of applying the Decree of 7 in August, especially in the first half of 1933, there were massive excesses on the ground, which, however, were corrected by higher authorities. At the same time, in accordance with the old Russian tradition, the severity of the law was compensated by the non-binding nature of its execution: contrary to the formidable wording, the death penalty was used quite rarely, and most of those sentenced to 10 years were rehabilitated in 1936 year.

[1] Botvinnik S. Justice bodies in the struggle to enforce the law of August 7 // Soviet justice. - 1934, September. - No. 24.
[2] Bulat I. The Year of Struggle for the Protection of Socialist Property // Soviet Justice. - 1933, August. - No. 15.
[3] A.Y. Vyshinsky Revolutionary legality at the present stage. Ed. 2, pererabot. - M., 1933. - 110 with.
[4] GARF. F.P. – 8131. Op.38. D.11. L.24 – 25.
[5] GARF. F.P. – 9414. Op.1. D.1155. L.5.
[6] Zelenin I.E. "The law of the five spikelets": development and implementation // Questions stories. - 1998. - No. 1.
[7] News. - 1932, 8 August. - No. 218 (4788). - C.1.
[8] Lisitsyn, Petrov. On the narcissaries of the Severodon district // Soviet justice. - 1934, September. - No. 24.
[9] Lubyanka. Stalin and the Cheka – GPU – OGPU – NKVD. Stalin's archive. Documents of the highest organs of party and state power. January 1922 - December 1936. - M., 2003. - 912 with.
[10] Solomon P. Soviet Justice under Stalin / Trans. from English - M., 1998. - 464 with.
[11] Criminal Code of the RSFSR. Official text as amended on 15 October 1936 g. With the application of article-by-article materials. - M., 1936. - 214 with.
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 18 May 2013 07: 30
    +6
    “Thus, the task of the Decree of August 7, 1932 was not to imprison and shoot as many people as possible, but to sharply tighten the measures of responsibility to protect socialist property from plunderers.” ... more precisely, collective farm-artisan-public property equalized with the state to protect it from theft.
    1. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 19 May 2013 12: 56
      +3
      The correct conclusion, simply, as the author points out, in places tore the "ass" of the indicators increased, in many ways, and now this approach has been preserved :-) Probably Stalin is also to blame?
  2. svp67
    svp67 18 May 2013 07: 51
    +4
    A religious minister of Pomazkov, 78 l., Climbed the bell tower to remove the snow, and found there 2 bags of corn, which he immediately told the village council. The latter sent for verification of people who discovered another bag of wheat. Narsud Kamensky district 8 / II 1933 was sentenced Pomazkova under the law 7 / VIII to 10 g. L / s.
    And if he had thrown it out quietly, it might not have been imprisoned. I wonder after what "conversation" the 78-year-old man confessed to everything? And how did those "talkers" go on?
    1. wax
      wax 18 May 2013 10: 21
      +5
      So this is an example of an excess that has been corrected.
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 18 May 2013 13: 49
      10
      Quote: svp67
      And how did those "talkers" go on?
      I can tell by the example of my grandmother. At 36, she was arrested and sentenced to 10 years for lack of work at a state farm (worked as an accountant) and exiled to Kharpy near Salekhard. At 38 she was transferred to a free settlement and was released under amnesty a year later. I was ashamed to go to my state farm, I stayed in the North and worked in a timber industry farm by profession. Here I got married and gave birth to my father. From my mother’s side, almost the same story was with another grandmother. I didn’t hear a single bad word about Stalin for all my childhood!
      1. pavlo
        pavlo 19 May 2013 08: 05
        +2
        So all the same it was a shame, so for the cause?
        1. Kolya
          Kolya 19 May 2013 21: 41
          +3
          Do they steal a lot now? - A lot of! And the people are one and the same! It is the policy of the country that is changing, and the "politics" in the heads of individuals, families, ordinary people has been preserved for centuries (what some call mentality). Should you punish thieves? - Need to! The difference between that time and this is only that the authorities can take responsibility for punishing the thieves only if they themselves are clean. Conclusion: that government was pure - that is why it punished.
        2. vyatom
          vyatom 20 May 2013 13: 47
          0
          Quote: pavlo
          So all the same it was a shame, so for the cause?

          The one who does nothing is not mistaken.
      2. Gladiatir-zlo
        Gladiatir-zlo 19 May 2013 13: 00
        +5
        I support, my paternal grandmother was also held accountable for the shortage, I don’t know what and for what amount, but she was sentenced to 15 years, only after half a year she was released, I don’t know for amnesty or other reasons. So she raised four children with her grandfather, was strict and fair. I never remember conversations condemning theft, but there is no such rot in the family, all descendants plow for salaries.
    3. Interface
      Interface 18 May 2013 21: 06
      +3
      Destroy Stalin, destroy the entire Soviet system. Churchill himself, a hater of communism, said "Stalin accepted Russia with a plow and left with a nuclear bomb." Well, with all the excesses of the system, a great country cannot have a "hole" (as the liberal denunciation says) at 70 years old !!!
    4. pavlo
      pavlo 19 May 2013 08: 04
      0
      And if you hadn’t pocketed a bag, then you wouldn’t get it!
    5. 73petia
      73petia 19 May 2013 10: 41
      +1
      "a small detail - all these ridiculous sentences were immediately revised"

      So he (the minister of a religious cult) did not seem to have been imprisoned.
  3. My address
    My address 18 May 2013 07: 55
    16
    In human nature, exaggerate their own, and relatives, merits and sufferings. Also according to the stories about the past, where horror stories are added, because the ordinary is not interesting. As proof, I ask you to lose the situation when the current government suddenly begins to work, and only to work, to plant and confiscate. Hundreds of thousands will be punished. And after thirty years will begin howl about innocent victims.
    1. folds
      folds 18 May 2013 22: 12
      +4
      And if you read the legislation of that time, letters, testimonies, and not yell "they planted five ears of wheat !!!" - it becomes surprising - after all, you can so logically, intelligently manage the life processes of the state. After all, the damage to the country was reduced, and sparsely populated areas were developed. And now, stealing, they are not thinking about the possibility of punishment, but about who to share with in order to continue stealing calmly .. Business is called ..
    2. Combitor
      Combitor 19 May 2013 05: 32
      +1
      Therefore, the All-Russian Fuhrer, apparently, said that now is not the 37th year. Therefore, officials who have stolen billions of state rubles remain free, go abroad for permanent residence or (what arbitrariness of the authorities and ill-treatment!) Happily live in their apparatuses before the trial (will he?) Under house arrest.
    3. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 19 May 2013 13: 08
      +4
      let a little out of topic. I drew attention to the marches of legionnaires in Western Ukraine, such old men, veterans of the SS troops of policemen and other "volunteers" of the Wehrmacht, are marching their parade. And the thought does not let me go, and after all, they, those enemies whom the supposedly ruthless NKVD was looking for and fired without trial in the ravines, are no less than the veterans of the Great Patriotic War who broke the back of the Nazis. This was how it was necessary to search, shoot and plant the Siberian camps for 100000000 years, where people were killed by lies in six months. In short, the lie has taken root again in relief.
    4. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 19 May 2013 23: 49
      +1
      Here you are wrong for such a moment you need to have the courage, Since the second epic began with the withdrawal of money in the Moscow Region as a grand amnesty loomed, Landing will not all go under the amnesty, What kind of elite are these laws
    5. alicante11
      alicante11 20 May 2013 06: 57
      0
      The howl will begin in 30 minutes after the publication of a similar law :).
  4. tttttt
    tttttt 18 May 2013 08: 09
    15
    Yes, even then the arrogant scum was enough, everything is right, that’s the frontal 37th year for parasites - as a result of Stalin’s decisive actions for the survival of the country. Great person.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 18 May 2013 09: 23
      +5
      Quote: tttttt
      that’s the frontal 37th year for parasites - as a result of Stalin’s decisive actions for the survival of the country.

      The 37th was not initiated by Stalin at all! Learn the background ...
    2. Gari
      Gari 18 May 2013 10: 01
      +7
      The goalkeeper of the Russian national hockey team Ilya Bryzgalov said in an interview with Championship.com online edition that he appreciates the activities of Joseph Stalin. “I see the logic in his actions,” said Bryzgalov. The goalkeeper said that if he could, he would like to meet with Stalin and interview him.
      Bryzgalov stressed that Stalin came to power in a country that was ravaged. According to the goalkeeper, in order to boost the economy, the country needed to be “held in iron hands”. “They say about him: a bloody tyrant. And at that time it was impossible in a different way, ”said the hockey player.
      At the same time, Bryzgalov noted that Stalin acted "not without excesses."
      1. smile
        smile 18 May 2013 17: 42
        +7
        Gari
        I’ll add - I recently saw an interview with Goblin in which he expressed his attitude to Stalin ... and respected Goblin ... I thought something. he is a bohemian guy - it turned out - man ...


        1. Snoop
          Snoop 18 May 2013 22: 14
          +4
          Did not know Puchkov’s attitude to history? He was never glamor))))
          http://oper.ru/ вот его сайт. Там много тем о ВОВ. Угарал от рецензии Гоблина о фильме Михалкова))
          1. smile
            smile 19 May 2013 00: 12
            0
            Snoop
            I just stated a fact - I know very little about the world of cinema ... but thanks for the link - I’ll definitely look ... I’ll start to fade in advance! :))))
            1. Snoop
              Snoop 19 May 2013 10: 39
              +4
              Here is a review of the film Burnt by the Sun 3: Citadel - http://kino.oper.ru/torture/read.php?t=1045689410

              Here's how to bask not in the eyebrow, but in the eye:
              "And what does Russia need today from the point of view of power? Examples are before our eyes. We can look at advanced neighbors: Ukraine and the Baltic. What was yesterday in the Baltic will be with us tomorrow. It is high time for us to admit that Hitler was good and useful - after all, the best representatives of the nation fought on his side! Look, even Mikhalkov on the poster is clearly fighting for Hitler. Who is better - Zhukov or Vlasov? There can be no two opinions: the first was a Stalinist butcher, the second was heartbroken for Russia. Any intelligent person knows this.

              Let's already admit that the Soviet government was criminal - after all, it defeated Hitler and all his henchmen. Let's pay tribute to the SS veterans - they fought for our bright future! Let's pay tribute to the veterans of the Soviet Army - we will pour slop over the bloody ghouls and rapists! We will destroy the monuments, we will pervert the facts, we will borrow the heroic deeds, we will pervert the essence. What this will lead to - a little below, but for now, about the movie Citadel. "

              burns: "The film begins with the trenches of the penal battalion, where the heroes of the previous film sit before the assault on a certain citadel: Nikita Mikhalkov, who was killed in the first episode, and his friends - Merzlikin, Smolyaninov (already without a door behind his back) and Dyuzhev (still painted). of course, shit and filth, because where else can stupid scoops sit? "

              "The citadel is nothing like a defensive structure of the Second World War. The construction of an unclear purpose, which is a task for an artillery battalion for half a day. But the Russians in Mikhalkov's film do not have guns, and therefore their task is to die under German machine guns, where a drunk will drive them Russian general. Here it is, The truth about the war - hawaite. "

              "Another soldier gets up and starts urinating from the body on the ground. When asked what are you doing, he answers: she can give birth, but I can't piss? These are the habits and vocabulary of a natural criminal, because a normal villager will never allow himself such a thing. But a colleague from the body. supports dryness: you can't wait to piss and give birth! And everyone in the back happily agrees, laughing.

              Here Nikita Sergeevich, of course, sinned a little against the truth. For in the original, the saying goes like this: yes, you can't give birth. And it would be much more reliable if Urka started from the body, making philosophical remarks along the way. The intensity of Truth would be much stronger, especially if filmed from below. But then something came over the director, he got it wrong. By the way, such excellent phrases can be inserted into the following films: only the deceased does not piss in the washstand, a drunk woman is someone else's manda, not a drop in his mouth - not a centimeter in the ass. Each can be built on the most powerful episode. "
              1. Gladiatir-zlo
                Gladiatir-zlo 19 May 2013 13: 11
                +1
                I understand that you offer only to enhance the experience, only I am against all of these. No, I will not give it myself, and I will not give my covenant to my children in the future, take care of the Motherland, and crush all scum, only in a smart way.
        2. pavlo
          pavlo 19 May 2013 08: 16
          +2
          Goblin Respect!
      2. T-73
        T-73 18 May 2013 20: 37
        -5
        thanks, opened our eyes, otherwise we thought repressions. Is it time to honestly say that the Soviet industry was built by the only possible method at that time - free labor. They paid with gold for machines, for cars, for everything in the end - and all over the ocean. It’s hard to judge the state if we ignore people. They put people sparingly. And in the war? the difficult choice is for posterity to choose the right and the guilty
        1. aleshka
          aleshka 19 May 2013 19: 53
          +2
          it’s just that, statistics aren’t lying, as under STALIN, a million people were imprisoned in the 200 millionth USSR, and a million in 140 millionth Russia, it’s getting better repression now !!!
  5. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 18 May 2013 08: 21
    +3
    I think that if you apply a similar law in present-day Russia, you will have to jail all its population, because over the past time, each of us somewhere and even violated the law, and most likely more than once.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 18 May 2013 09: 24
      +6
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I think that if you apply a similar law in present-day Russia, you’ll have to put all its population in jail,

      At least most.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 18 May 2013 09: 42
        +6
        Yes, no need to plant
        Quote: Atlon
        at least most

        .
        Someone (krupnyak) to plant with confiscation, and someone simply "flogged".
        Now she is a witness, and the crossbowman Kvachkov is 13 years old. And for a bag of grain they can solder decently. And there is evidence, and aggravating.
        The judicial system is still effective.
        But only in the interests of the powerful bourgeoisie and the corrupt bureaucracy merged with it.
      2. Gari
        Gari 18 May 2013 09: 58
        +4
        Good morning everybody
        Quote: Atlon
        At least most.

        Laws are written, adopted and approved by government officials (parliament, parliament, president)
        apply - also people-officials (investigative bodies, courts, etc.)
        but people live by them - simple people (make them live by them) - citizens
      3. ivachum
        ivachum 18 May 2013 11: 40
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        I think that if you apply a similar law in present-day Russia, you’ll have to put all its population in jail,

        At least most.


        But then: "To freedom with a clear conscience!" laughing
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 19 May 2013 10: 53
          +1
          Quote: ivachum
          But then: "To freedom with a clear conscience!"

          or with a hole in the head ... wink
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 18 May 2013 19: 26
      +1
      Do not judge everyone by yourself ... In every nation there is a certain% of bad people, good and not that wrong .. And the fact that it is necessary to tighten the laws, I have no doubt for large-scale corruption, not fines (one for his ) and from 5 years and above and with the confiscation of the mandatory and the death penalty to revive for the murder, treason, pedophilia!
  6. individual
    individual 18 May 2013 08: 44
    +6
    There is no Stalin law on the Taburetkin bastard.
    It's a pity.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 18 May 2013 10: 24
      +6
      Quote: individ
      There is no Stalin law on the Taburetkin bastard.
      It's a pity.

      I directly imagine Serdyukov sitting on a stool and saying, "You sew the law seven or eight, boss!"
      1. your1970
        your1970 11 November 2017 19: 52
        0
        Quote: omsbon
        Quote: individ
        There is no Stalin law on the Taburetkin bastard.
        It's a pity.

        I directly imagine Serdyukov sitting on a stool and saying, "You sew the law seven or eight, boss!"
        - under this law Serdyukov was PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE attract-property of the Moscow Region does not apply and never related to the property of state enterprises
        Yes, and in "MVIN!" V. Vysotsky interpreted it incorrectly ......
  7. Belogor
    Belogor 18 May 2013 09: 36
    +3
    The law is law, but much depends on judges. And if he (the judge) wants to curry favor with the authorities, then it is not difficult to guess what sentence he will pass, only according to the upper limit. As a result, destinies, families, etc. break down.
  8. Cherkas
    Cherkas 18 May 2013 10: 01
    37 th
    Millions of losses, thousands of people executed, hundreds of cases of cannibalism, and maybe thousands. The red bastard raped Ukraine, under the execution of all the ideologists of communism, the Kiev tribunal of the red bastard. PEOPLE would never starve on Ukrainian fertile land if they worked for themselves, they themselves sowed, they harvested, and this collectivism of rams with work-days, with executions, brought Ukraine to its knees and still left an indelible mark on Ukrainian culture, all your articles about myths about Stalin - fun for the devil.
    1. heathen
      heathen 18 May 2013 11: 13
      14
      In 1940, the Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic with a population of 2,5 million left the Ukrainian SSR in connection with the formation of the Moldavian SSR. In 1945, the Transcarpathian region (0,8 million) became part of the Ukrainian SSR, in 1955 - the Crimean region - 0,9 million people. Given all these factors, the population of the Ukrainian SSR, within modern borders, in 1926 amounted to 35,8 million people. For 12 years, from December 1926 to January 1939, the population of Ukraine increased from 35,8 million people. up to 40,5 million people or 4,7 million people. The average annual growth over the years amounted to 392 thousand people.
      Source: http://za.zubr.in.ua/2009/05/28/2797/
      From 1991 to 2007, the natural increase in Ukraine amounted to about -4,879 million people. The average annual population decline over this period is more than 286 thousand people.
      Source: http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/

      So who is it, say, what trace did you leave?
    2. RUS
      RUS 18 May 2013 14: 19
      11 th
      Many simply missed the "firm hand", because now lawlessness and the omnipotence of officials reign.
      I think Germany after World War II was also in ruin, to a lesser extent, but still. And the casualties were not small, but they lifted the country faster, and we have at least Stalin, even though Putin both lived .... and we live ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 11 November 2017 19: 57
        0
        Quote: RUS
        Germany after World War II was also in ruin, to a lesser extent, but still. And the casualties were not small, but they lifted the country faster,
        -you heard about Marshall’s plan ?? And about that - a gold reserve WHY SOMETHING belay belay is in the USA ???
        And we would be raised - subject to getting up cancer and returning the gold reserve
        Thank God Stalin was in the right orientation ...
    3. CHILD
      CHILD 18 May 2013 15: 13
      +6
      ... GO THE TEACHING HISTORY)))) WASN'T HORSE WERE HUNDS UNDER THE KNIFE, LAUNCH FROM GREED .... IT WOULD NOT BE HUNGER ...
    4. smile
      smile 18 May 2013 17: 58
      +5
      Cherkas
      Yes, the Kiev tribunal is really needed - the Bandera bastard, which carefully destroyed and destroys Ukraine and spoils the life of most Ukrainians - what can you do, this bastard is not capable of anything else - well, they just created it for this ....
      And about the rape ... yes, your like-minded people, or rather bandarlogs, who were ideological ancestors like you, were pretty much under the Poles and the Habsburgs, and the Germans too, at one time ... so to speak, in the process - caught a brain infection. ... you have an extreme manifestation of this disease ... one of the signs is a complete loss of the ability to think, a loss of conscience and common sense ... you were treated well, well ... or somewhere else ... it’s desirable to go further, and ? :)))
    5. atos_kin
      atos_kin 18 May 2013 19: 27
      +4
      The figures of independent Ukraine will certainly leave an "indelible mark". It will hiccup for a long time.
    6. ozs
      ozs 18 May 2013 23: 56
      +2
      good fairy tales to poison.
      You are to blame for the whole USSR, but you got your little bit and what’s next, and then to work in Moscow, and so the half of Ukraine works.
    7. vardex
      vardex 19 May 2013 12: 09
      +1
      quieter, and then too much saloed ............
    8. Red hornet
      Red hornet 19 May 2013 15: 37
      +3
      Quote: Cherkas
      The red bastard raped Ukraine,

      Red from blood Bandera bastard raped Ukraine-it will be more correct.

      And now the "young Bandera grandchildren" have grown up. They also do the same ...

      Monuments to Bandera, Shushkevich put ...
      The bones of their distant ancestors-Trypillians 500 years ago, as "the remains of the victims of the NKVD" are reburied ...
      UNA veterans' parades are held ...
      Victory Day, May 9, is declared a "day of mourning" ...

      Have fun to the fullest, in general. Togo and look, they will soon choose a new Fuhrer, pah !, hetman - and go! Drang nach Osten !!!
    9. aleshka
      aleshka 19 May 2013 19: 56
      0
      do you have any phobias, is now Ukraine happy with everything ??
      1. Red hornet
        Red hornet 20 May 2013 00: 39
        0
        Quote: Alesha
        do you have any phobias, is now Ukraine happy with everything ??

        Did Ukraine itself tell you about this? Personally??
        Fuhhh, straight from the heart eased. laughing

        And what "phobias" are you talking about? Do you think I am afraid of neo-Nazis sitting in the Ukrainian parliament under the beautiful signboard "Freedom"?
        You are mistaken, they give me a completely different feeling ...
        Something like the deepest, atrial disgust.
  9. NKVD
    NKVD 18 May 2013 10: 14
    +7
    Previously, at least they justly planted. And now the more you steal the less they will give. A vivid example of the couple Taburetkin with Vasilyeva
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 20 May 2013 00: 19
      0
      They will not sit in front of a grand amnesty precisely for such matters. Even if the list does not fit, I will make and sign
  10. Volkhov
    Volkhov 18 May 2013 10: 46
    -6
    The article contains the statistics of the courts, and the bulk of them were planted in lists by a "special meeting" - just a form of genocide. Vyshinsky's excuses are a psychological technique for people to hope for justice from above, and not to establish it from below.
    1. smile
      smile 18 May 2013 18: 09
      +4
      Volkhov
      I once said. that your fabrication about how the Nazis used nuclear weapons in Sevastopol and that they are now in control of Russia from the Fourth Reich are funny and not dangerous ... I take my words back - your lies are already dangerous ... if you don’t have the opportunity to comprehend, I’ll try explain to you on fingers .... in the statistics given there is a word - convicted according to the law of such and such ... we did not have a judicial punishment, the sentences of the Special Meetings are also a sentence, and those whom they brought to justice are also convicted. ..I’m not going to explain to you about jurisdiction - you don’t understand ....
      Thus you will not be able to dodge. I understand that the reinforced concrete figures given here do not fit into your theory of genocide, and therefore you are trying to somehow get around the facts .... but maybe you should still face the truth and not duplicate bullshit?
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 18 May 2013 19: 34
        +1
        And it’s better to see Vidio Goblin in previous posts, he explained on the fingers of a very lucid what was in those years and how!
        1. smile
          smile 19 May 2013 00: 17
          0
          SASCHAmIXEEW
          Thank you .... I’ll definitely look ... by the way, I posted the Goblin ... :)))))
          It's nice that you liked my link ... I'm serious - I pay little attention to nicknames myself .... +
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov 19 May 2013 00: 24
        -7
        Unfortunately, genocide is not a theory, but a practice.
        Writing a set of numbers on paper and on the screen is one thing, and the ditches in Kommunark, Butovo, Chukotka are different, with real bones.
        The legitimacy looked like this: a pilot Devyatayev with 10 comrades hijacked a German plane from a German concentration camp, everyone fell under investigation, the pilot as an organizer in prison, the rest in a penal battalion, in different places, in March 45, no one survived, except for the pilot, being wounded and surviving to victory in hospitals is already a system for killing suspects. And then the pilot was given the Hero, although supervision remained and he did not work in aviation, so that he would not fly back.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 19 May 2013 00: 41
          +6
          Quote: Volkhov
          the pilot Devyatayev with 10 comrades hijacked a German plane from a German concentration camp, everyone got under investigation, the pilot as an organizer in prison, the rest in a penal battalion, in different places, in March 45, no one survived the pilot

          FACTS - IN THE STUDIO. "At home, as Mikhail Petrovich Devyatayev recalled many years later," they were not particularly enthusiastic about me, my friends in the crew. Quite the contrary. We were subjected to a rather severe test "... Nevertheless, after checking the NKVD filtration camp, seven out of ten former prisoners of war returned to the front at the end of March 1945, and three officers - Devyatayev, Krivonogov and Yemets - were reinstated in their officer ranks. But the war had already ended by that time. According to some reports, 1 people who returned from captivity at the end of the war passed a similar test. About a million of them were sent for further service, 836 thousand for work in industry as part of labor battalions. 562 thousand, including 600 thousand former military personnel recognized as compromising themselves in captivity and convicted. There is no need to talk about the universal conviction of all former prisoners of war, as some unscrupulous researchers like to say ... http: //vlasti.net/news/339
          ON PHOTO - M.P. Devyatayev (left) and I. Krivonogov - participants in the escape from the island of Usedom. Gorky, 1970 MAYBE ENOUGH LIBEROID MYTHS TO BE DRAWED?
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 19 May 2013 10: 06
            -7
            Those who returned to the front - where?
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 19 May 2013 17: 03
              +2
              Quote: Volkhov
              Those who returned to the front - where?

              I am not an archivist, questions can be found at http://archive.mil.ru/archival_service/central/contacts.htm
              But, for some reason, I believe Devyatayev and the given photo, according to your statements, it could not be, but it EXISTS.
              1. Volkhov
                Volkhov 19 May 2013 17: 29
                -3
                Out of 11, 2 survived due to a longer consequence - is this normal?
        2. Snoop
          Snoop 19 May 2013 10: 06
          +5
          I will also add:
          He himself had to refute the speculation of our magazines. “- Mikhail Petrovich, is it true that you have been sitting for fifteen years after escaping from captivity?” - sometimes they ask me a question. What? Such rumors gave rise to years of mute. No. I did not sit in prison. It’s time to dispel these rumors. But immediately after my escape, my crewmates were not particularly enthusiastic. Rather, the opposite. We underwent a rather severe check. Long and humiliating. ”
          By the way, of all the participants in the escape, no one was criminally punished. So ordinary participants in the events after the check were sent to the front in the 777th Infantry Regiment (see how lucky they were, they managed to escape from captivity and the part with which number is the jackpot!). Devyatayev and other officers expected confirmation of their military ranks, but they waited after the surrender of Germany.
          After the war, became the first captain of a hydrofoil ship. For his feat he was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.
          And checking former prisoners of war in filtration camps is a standard practice for all military counterintelligence services in the world. To pass this check, at least the testimony of two prisoners was necessary that he did not cooperate with the Germans in captivity. Read the memoirs of those who were freed from captivity in 43-45, at least on the site "I remember".
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov 19 May 2013 11: 23
            -6
            In the memoirs of Devyatayev himself, it was said about the penal units and different places, in any case, everyone died, although the war was already ending.
  11. avt
    avt 18 May 2013 11: 25
    +7
    It's funny that our liberals condemn the law on the protection of property, albeit a public one, as punitive, calling it the law on five spikelets, just striking the emotions. At the same time, they loudly moan that there is no respect for property in the country and shout about the inadmissibility of arrest for economic crimes. And as a result, for billions of theft - house arrest, not the 37th year in general. In the light of the newly established flood defense, let's call them ..... oh Pharisees. laughing If 3,14 .. can not be called balls. laughing
  12. Captain45
    Captain45 18 May 2013 12: 20
    +5
    As an excellent description of this article, an episode from the film "The Meeting Place Cannot Be Changed", where Ruchechnik responds to Zheglov's phrase that the Bolshoi Theater should pay for a stolen fur coat, i.e. the state institution says: "You sew a decree seven or eight, chief?" "Yes, if you, Ruchechnik, looked at yourself from the sidelines, you would see that the Decree of August 1961, which you call seven or eight, is imprinted on your forehead. And your accomplice Volokushina even more so. So ten for a sting, dear citizens criminals, ten! "And according to the Criminal Code of the USSR from 89 under article 10 (embezzlement of state property), the terms were also up to 93 years, and according to XNUMX, the tower was supposed to be.
  13. Suhov
    Suhov 18 May 2013 12: 25
    +2
    Great is Russia! But stealing is still not good.
  14. black_eagle
    black_eagle 18 May 2013 13: 00
    +1
    That is, my grandfather was not judged by a bucket of frozen potatoes, and even if they judged, they released !!! belay And no one gave him ten years in camps + 15 in the settlement !!! At 17 years old in camps and 40 something home! I'm confusing something ??? Do not try to justify those who do not need to be justified! Great-grandfather was shot for not wanting to join the collective farm and then burned down his home because he and his 12 children were evicted to a dugout and settled in the house of a "party worker"! The grandfather who was a child to the partisans was dragged from the village where the Germans were quartered for 10 years in camps for a bucket of potatoes from a harvested field because there was nothing to eat! Who disagrees, I'm waiting for personal, not read examples !!!
    1. wown
      wown 18 May 2013 13: 31
      +4
      Have you read the case? or according to stories?
      1. black_eagle
        black_eagle 18 May 2013 13: 54
        +3
        I have no reason not to believe my grandfather, but we know about my great-grandfather, by the way, about the fact that they were shot from the archives they fished out only in 2005, before that he was listed as missing, the last time his son saw so he said that to Poland across the border going, he told everyone about this only in the 60-70s - he was afraid, because it was on that evening that their former house was set on fire, by the way, no one from the villagers helped to extinguish the new owner, they said this is not your house, like that, and then the house burned to the ground. My relatives sent many requests to the archive about my great-grandfather's account and the answer was the same - we do not know where he disappeared, and only in 2005 did the answer come, he was shot in Sumy as an enemy of the people, this is 500 km east of the place where he was seen in I don’t know the last time he got there, but I think I’ll have to dig something myself, because as they say in Ukraine: “Whoever doesn’t know his past - that is not his own maybutt” - who does not know his past is not worth his own the future
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 18 May 2013 17: 46
      +5
      Dear Eugene! I understand the pain of your family. But all the same, a lot depended on fellow villagers and the situation "on the ground". My great-grandfather was also dispossessed. However, only one of them was evicted, the big house was taken away - they made a club there, and a family was moved to a small house - there were also 12 children. By the way, in the village they respected the family for their hard work, and they hated the great-grandfather for his ambition, because he had "Polish noble roots" somewhere out there. Therefore, he looked at his fellow villagers as "". I did not hire workers, but the children plowed on the farm literally from the age of 4. I still remember how grandmother Tosya (cousin) recalled that she told him at the age of 4, when she was raised at 5 in the morning to graze geese: "And Schaub smelled you stench, tattoo!" For which she was whipped. At the same time, all children growing up, on equal terms with others, received vouchers to study. Five later received higher education, and no one ever reproached them for being the children of a kulak.
      So you really should carefully consider it.
      1. black_eagle
        black_eagle 18 May 2013 18: 07
        +1
        In principle, I figured out what I needed, and for myself a long time ago I made a conclusion that everything is always decided only on the spot, because there are enough people who want to curry favor or just idiots, enough and will be enough. With this story, I wanted to tell not about who offended whom, although I still look at, so to speak, the heirs of this party worker with contempt, the bastards are still the same, by the way, I made up my opinion about them even before I learned this whole story, I wanted to say with my comment that the law "about five spikelets" worked to the fullest, there was no talk of any humanity
  15. RUS
    RUS 18 May 2013 14: 38
    10 th
    Stalin is a dictator, a criminal and an executioner, the same powers that be in the 50s after his death and the current government spoke about this. And people who want to "return" Stalin and cry for him, these are weak weak-willed people with the mentality of the Chaldeans and plebeians, they need a strict and tough shepherd. They dream of a leader who will "put everyone in jail", warm them up with warmth and affection, a certain "tsar, father-intercessor", dream about him people who think that with his arrival all hardships and problems will be resolved and a happy life will begin. But you need to start with yourself, otherwise, as it happens, "what a bad traffic cop (or doctor) does not take a bribe, an honest bastard got caught", we ourselves provoke corruption and bribery, and I generally keep quiet about theft and gray salaries.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 18 May 2013 22: 36
      +2
      I gave you a "-" for your reasoning, because I do not accept such words from a person with the nickname "RUS". If you think so, then change your nickname, well, to "amer" or something, or "Brit", or Svanidze is better.
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      2. vyatom
        vyatom 20 May 2013 14: 38
        -1
        Quote: Captain45
        I gave you a "-" for your reasoning, because I do not accept such words from a person with the nickname "RUS". If you think so, then change your nickname, well, to "amer" or something, or "Brit", or Svanidze is better.

        In vain it’s not necessary to baslan to competent people. And touching a nickname is none of your business.
        "Otherwise I don't accept such words from a person with such a nickname"
        Do not show your grayness, captain45.
        By analogy, no comments from a person with the English nickname captain45 should be taken seriously at all.
        By the way, in naval terminology the position of the captain is designated as "master". Is captain 45 a title or position?
    2. vyatom
      vyatom 20 May 2013 14: 16
      0
      Quote: RUS
      But you need to start with yourself, otherwise, as it happens, "what a bad traffic cop (or doctor) does not take a bribe, an honest bastard got caught", we ourselves provoke corruption and bribery, and I generally keep quiet about theft and gray salaries.

      RUS says everything correctly. We ourselves must have a high level of civil liability, and not wait for a good, but fair owner. But we still have a long way to go.
  16. 120352
    120352 18 May 2013 14: 47
    -1
    Myths are myths, and the law on five spikelets acted!
  17. Captain45
    Captain45 18 May 2013 16: 34
    +3
    Quote: wown
    Great-grandfather was shot for not wanting to join the collective farm and then burned down his home because he and his 12 children were evicted into a dugout and settled in the house of a "party worker"! D

    Quote: black_eagle
    the last time his son saw so he said that he was going to Poland across the border,

    Understand me correctly, I am not at all trying to insult the memory of your great-grandfather and of all the victims in those days, but if you objectively approach this situation, it turns out, only from your own words that your great-grandfather did not want to join the collective farm, set fire to the party worker’s house , tried to cross the border of a hostile state. And how did such actions qualify in accordance with the criminal code in force at that time? Therefore, under the legislation in force at that time, unfortunately your great-grandfather is a criminal and punishment in accordance with the code m.
    1. black_eagle
      black_eagle 18 May 2013 17: 10
      -1
      Ok, then I'll write again, in more detail, my grandfather had his own oil mill, people worked for him 4 horses, they were then called fists, then they began to drive everyone to the collective farm, at first they did not voluntarily ask. Who should be appointed chairman? Naturally, the poorest, the poorest was there one drunk, so they put him, they sent a party worker to the village, he had to be settled somewhere, so my great-grandfather with 12 children, mother and wife, kicked in the ass and was evicted from his own house, he dug a dugout , we all lived there together, they took away the whole household, and they sent my great-grandfather to work a few villages from home and he went there until good people told me not to come home today, otherwise they would be arrested, and then I told him that that evening I was fire and after that no one saw him, a question for you! where is the crime? My mother says that he had a saying, “you have to wake up so early so that when people go to work they say hello to you, but not you to them,” that is, a person worked and gave work to others, was not lazy when the season was and oil was poured from flax, then, grandmother told me, a huge number of people came and waited in line, so they all cooked for them every day, absolutely free! I remember my grandmother, she was always the same generous! If my house were illegally taken away from me, I would also burn it down, I would not care about the laws, but my conscience would be clear
      1. Red hornet
        Red hornet 19 May 2013 15: 53
        0
        Quote: black_eagle
        his grandfather had his own oil mill, 4 horses people worked for him, then they called them fists


        Quote: black_eagle
        here is my great-grandfather with 12 children, mother and wife kick in the ass and evicted from his own house, he dug up a dugout, they all lived there together, all the economy was taken away


        I am wildly sorry, but did not quite understand ...

        Great-grandfather lived in a dugout with 12 children, and without the "farm", which was "taken away". This is clear...

        Where did grandfather come from the oil mill, four horses and money to pay for the labor of several farm laborers?

        The other 11 of his brothers and sisters also rose so "cool", and most importantly, so quickly - in one generation?

        And what year was in the yard when your grandfather owned an oil mill, given that his father (your great-grandfather) fell under the collectivization of the early 30s ???
  18. Egoza
    Egoza 18 May 2013 17: 25
    +3
    Quote: Atlon
    The 37th was not initiated by Stalin at all!

    And blame everything on him!
    1. RUS
      RUS 18 May 2013 17: 43
      -4
      The 37th was not initiated by Stalin at all! Well then, what kind of leader is this if he allowed these repressions? He knew, he initiated and supported other similar initiatives, maybe he was afraid for his personal power and life!
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 18 May 2013 19: 56
        +1
        Rus about Stalin a lot of lies, he came to power after 37, and the Jews who were led by Lenin and Trotsky-Bronstein, they were in all power structures, they were still "idiots" like Khrushch, he had the same hand in the collapse of the country. , and now it is full! They only care about themselves ..
  19. bublic82009
    bublic82009 18 May 2013 20: 18
    +1
    any king-president has faithful nukers who will zealously rush to fulfill his will. given examples of conviction for equipment or a boat, this is someone's service to the authorities. and maybe revenge for something.
  20. Snoop
    Snoop 18 May 2013 22: 25
    0
    The Russian theme is always always like this in the field. They raised a question about the fight against pedophiles .. there was a wave .. they started cases against coaches and physical education instructors, they won’t give anyone first aid in case of a child’s injury in the gym ... who wants to sit on such an article?)))
  21. Red hornet
    Red hornet 19 May 2013 14: 58
    +1
    Huge respect and best wishes to Igor Pykhalov !!!
    A necessary and important thing is a person ...

    I would like to cite an excerpt from his interview to the Tochka.Ru newspaper:

    "- In our family, Stalin was initially treated with respect. My grandmother worked at one of the defense enterprises during the war and always spoke positively about him. But when a massive anti-Stalinist campaign began under Gorbachev, I believed it at first. A constant stream of revelations was that tens of millions of people were killed, innocent victims of illegal repression.

    In the 1990s, when I began to engage in work related to history, I was faced with the fact that one or the other fact, which was cited as evidence of Stalin’s crimes, was untrue. And not just some details did not coincide, but everything was quite the opposite. Naturally, after this the attitude towards Stalin began to gradually change, and in the end it changed 180 degrees ...
    ... Thus, by studying new facts, I gradually changed my views, and after that I considered it my moral duty to purge the name of Stalin from the slander that was being raised against him. This is quite natural for any decent person: if you have accused someone of something out of ignorance, and it turned out that you were wrong, you must apologize or, as in this case, do everything possible to restore his good name. Which is what I do. "
  22. Muxauk
    Muxauk 19 May 2013 17: 45
    +2
    Quote: Red Hornet
    Huge respect and best wishes to Igor Pykhalov !!!
    A necessary and important thing is a person ...

    I would like to cite an excerpt from his interview to the Tochka.Ru newspaper:

    "- In our family, Stalin was initially treated with respect. My grandmother worked at one of the defense enterprises during the war and always spoke positively about him. But when a massive anti-Stalinist campaign began under Gorbachev, I believed it at first. A constant stream of revelations was that tens of millions of people were killed, innocent victims of illegal repression.

    In the 1990s, when I began to engage in work related to history, I was faced with the fact that one or the other fact, which was cited as evidence of Stalin’s crimes, was untrue. And not just some details did not coincide, but everything was quite the opposite. Naturally, after this the attitude towards Stalin began to gradually change, and in the end it changed 180 degrees ...
    ... Thus, by studying new facts, I gradually changed my views, and after that I considered it my moral duty to purge the name of Stalin from the slander that was being raised against him. This is quite natural for any decent person: if you have accused someone of something out of ignorance, and it turned out that you were wrong, you must apologize or, as in this case, do everything possible to restore his good name. Which is what I do. "


    I am 23 years old, I graduated from school not so long ago, by comparison, as I understood the topic, who has education from the USSR. He loved history (though he skipped it), especially the period of World War II. After school, the impression was left, Stalin defeated World War II, but mowed down the people in packs, inept command and heavy losses in the war, mass genocide. I read a lot later, sometimes on the Internet (now only online), this belief hardened. Then somewhere in the corners of the Internet I found ZEKI, THOSE WHO ARE GOING AGAINST THE LAW AND SHOULD HATE THE STATE, they burned about Solzhenitsyn that they would have given us such an impudent lie about genocide. But in the West, we saw better how we lived, and gave him the Nobel. Then my grandmother spoke to a friend (when talking about the USSR by chance, he talked about it, he conveyed her words) it was hard to live then, but it was better than under Stalin she did not live. Now more and more inclined to the fact that he was a hero.
    PS: my great-grandfather was dispossessed, kept an apiary. But Nirazu did not hear from his parents that it was bad during the USSR, and the ancestors didn’t say that either (I didn’t find them alive, the current was one in childhood), although they talked a lot about them.
    A small conclusion is that patriotism, the desire to defend the Homeland are killing us. Without them, the country cannot protect itself.
  23. Python Kaa
    Python Kaa 19 May 2013 20: 18
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    Well, that's it - relatives and acquaintances went into action.

    I want to get involved - then it goes to the course

    "Familiar" is the strongest weapon in Entornets. Unconditionally the highest level unit. He serves simultaneously in the Airborne Forces, special forces and the GRU, regularly visits America, bringing a lot of impressions from there, travels to Western Ukraine, being subjected to unheard-of discrimination there. He crawled all over Chechnya up and down, he drinks five liters of vodka at a time, doesn't get out of the hole, kills Bugatti in the trash, plays for Shinnik's double. Soon it will fly into space. A very bright character.


    I want to be pitied and blamed for all Russian troubles - the whole family, personally tortured by the bloody Stalin, goes into play.
    Where, then, in the literal sense, all the mourners came into existence and grew up?


    Well, clearly - they wrote to you that everyone was absolutely in accordance with the laws of that time. And the stupidity of the judges was corrected. I grieve for those who died sympathize. But they died from the mediocre actions of the overly zealous local authorities and, in part, their greed and stupidity. After all, the authorities said in plain text - to give and not to sin. But, they slaughtered cattle? Did you eat in two throats? Did the bread rot? What rigid and bone power in the USSR did they know? Then what questions? And do not say that Stalin starved Ukrainians. I would like to kill him. Read about the gigantic assistance to agriculture in Ukraine to eliminate the effects of hunger.
    By the way, in prisons and now all "for nothing" are imprisoned.
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  25. dema46
    dema46 20 May 2013 06: 04
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    my uncle spent about ten years in a ridiculous story today. He was the chairman of the collective farm in the late 40s. He was called to the center where he received two breeding musk oxen for breeding. While he was driving back, he got a little drunk. He woke up and there were no animals! taking into account the non-proletarian father, who was shot at 37, he was sentenced to death, expelled from the party. but never, even though sober, even drunk, the Stalinist government did not scold. they then had their own vision of life.
  26. PANTELEIMON
    PANTELEIMON 17 January 2021 12: 01
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    Сталин - это кровавый горный людоед, а вся его большевистская камарилья - это шакалы! Не дай Бог, если сталинисты-утописты, развалив свой, якобы, нерушимый союз, попытаются взять реванш и вернуть Россию в то кровавое прошлое!