The former deputy director of the Kalashnikov concern has been arrested in connection with a fraud case.

The former deputy director of the Kalashnikov Concern has been arrested in connection with a criminal case of large-scale fraud. He committed his criminal activities while fulfilling a state defense contract to supply protective equipment to the Russian Armed Forces.

About it сообщает TASS news agency, citing a source in law enforcement agencies.

He said the following:

The accused has been arrested and is being held in one of the capital's pre-trial detention facilities.

Shortly before this, in February, a Moscow court issued an arrest warrant for Ksenia Grashchenkova, the concern's former director of procurement and logistics, and now the same has happened to another of her colleagues. The case against her also relates to abuse of power during public procurement.

Each of the two defendants now faces up to ten years in prison. They, and possibly others, are considered part of an organized criminal group.

An internal investigation previously focused on ten contracts signed by the concern with contractors in 2023. They were expected to be fulfilled by October of that year. However, this had not happened even by last year. By that time, the new defendant was no longer employed by Kalashnikov.

The investigation suggested that the fraudsters were attempting to "appropriate" large funds allocated by the Ministry of Industry and Trade as a subsidy. This could have caused damage to both the concern and the state.

Earlier last month, law enforcement officers in the Altai Krai detained two local deputies on suspicion of large-scale fraud.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

When will they get their fill,...the freaks

[yuriy55]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

When they get their fill,...

When they start pouring molten tin down their throats...

[Murmur 55]

yuriy55 Here, if we believe our media, Bastrykin introduced a bill on the confiscation of property from corrupt officials, but G.D. rejected it with a STUNNING formulation voiced by one government official.

[FoBoss_VM]

Well, everyone already knows who the real enemy of the people is, where he is and his full name according to the per capita list.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Murmur 55

Here, if we believe our media, Bastrykin introduced a bill on the confiscation of property from corrupt officials, but G.D. rejected it with a STUNNING formulation voiced by one government official.

The media can be trusted. Indeed, the promotion of Bastrykin's initiative for the COMPLETE confiscation of corrupt officials' property has finally reached the State Duma for discussion. And yes, Alexei Zhuravlev, First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, called for a cautious approach to avoid slapping teachers and doctors with small gifts from patients and parents. The key is to avoid using this pretext to delay the much-needed and long-awaited decision to combat brazen, corrupt officials at higher levels. Surely it's possible to distinguish a gift of a few thousand rubles from millions and billions stolen from the state.

Bastrykin's initiative: total asset seizure

Alexander Bastrykin, Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, proposed introducing a mechanism for the complete confiscation of property from individuals convicted of corruption offenses. The head of the agency justified this measure by citing the conditions of a special military operation, in which corruption becomes particularly dangerous, and asset seizure would allow for more effective replenishment of the state budget. According to the Investigative Committee, 14,2 corruption cases were referred to the courts in 2025, a 25% increase over the previous year. Of these, 555 cases related to the activities of organized groups and criminal organizations. As part of these investigations, assets worth a total of 196,5 billion rubles were seized from defendants last year.

The State Duma's position: risk for doctors and teachers.

First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Alexei Zhuravlev urged caution when discussing the initiative for full confiscation. The parliamentarian recalled previous anti-corruption efforts, when teachers and doctors were primarily targeted for gifts worth several thousand rubles. According to the deputy, if drastic measures were taken, the families of such citizens could lose their only home. Zhuravlev emphasized that true corrupt officials who embezzled billions were often perceived as successful businessmen and avoided proportionate punishment. The deputy believes that the fight against illicit enrichment must be targeted and careful, beginning with an analysis of the results of privatization in the 1990s.

[Stas157]

Quote: Montezuma

Surely it is possible to distinguish a gift of a couple of thousand rubles from millions and billions stolen from the state.

I'm afraid it will be the other way around. People will be jailed for gifts of a few thousand, but rewarded for stolen billions. Our officials are literalists where they shouldn't be. And when they should be, they completely ignore violations.

[Normann]

For a sack of potatoes - 8 years, for tens of thousands of tons - a couple of months in a pre-trial detention center, maximum, and then promotion.

[alexboguslavski]

Quote: Montezuma

First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Alexei Zhuravlev urged caution when discussing the initiative for complete confiscation.

Theft in defense-related structures is now more widespread than in the wild 90s. Although there are doubts about the 90s—back then, public property was being plundered based on established laws.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: alexboguslavski

They steal more efficiently than in the wild 90s.

In the holy/dashing nineties, there was no need to steal—back then, they brazenly tore the country to shreds and plundered as much as they could. If they feared anything, it was bullets from competitors.

[alexboguslavski]

And, imagine, everything was done legally. The Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, which refused to accept the predatory laws and dissolve itself, was simply gunned down by tanks.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: alexboguslavski

everything was done legally

In the first half of the 1990s, no one cared about the laws, which represented a hellish mixture of Soviet legislation and liberal democratic dreams of how things should be—for example, about 400 amendments were made to the Soviet Constitution. Closer to the 2000s, the oligarchs feigned their law-abidingness to create the impression of legality. Or perhaps they simply wanted respectability.

Quote: alexboguslavski

The Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, which refused to accept predatory laws and dissolve itself, was simply shot at by tanks.

What other RSFSR was this in 1993? Yes, and it wasn't about predatory laws—it seemed like they were dividing power.
And in August 1991, during the dispersal of the State Emergency Committee, tanks did not fire – then only three demonstrators died when they tried to stop a column of armored vehicles.

[alexboguslavski]

Quote from: nik-mazur

What other RSFSR in 1993?

The RSFSR did not exist in 1993, but the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, elected in 1990, was still in operation. It was renamed the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation in 1991, but was finally abolished on the basis of
Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of December 24, 1993 No. 2288

Tanks fired at the Armed Forces building on October 4, 1993.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: alexboguslavski

The RSFSR did not exist in 1993, but the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, elected in 1990, was and was working. True, it was renamed the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation in 1991

So it wasn't. Amen.

[Most kind]

The Supreme Soviet of the USSR, the RSFSR did not even have its own Communist Party.

[Alexander Rasmukhambetov]

So, United Russia, are they fools to vote against themselves?

[Good Evil]

Now each of the two defendants faces a prison sentence of up to ten years.

What a pity... He should be hanged in the square. With a hook by the ribs, until he dies!

[your1970]

Quote: yuriy55

Quote from: dmi.pris1

When they get their fill,...

When they start pouring molten tin down their throats...

They poured molten tin into counterfeiters' pockets in the Middle Ages, but somehow they haven't run out in 600 years...

[Chack wessel]

Quote: your1970

Quote: yuriy55

Quote from: dmi.pris1

When they get their fill,...

When they start pouring molten tin down their throats...

They poured molten tin into counterfeiters' pockets in the Middle Ages, but somehow they haven't run out in 600 years...

But there are fewer people willing to break the state's monopoly on money production. :)

[your1970]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Quote: your1970

Quote: yuriy55

Quote from: dmi.pris1

When they get their fill,...

When they start pouring molten tin down their throats...

They poured molten tin into counterfeiters' pockets in the Middle Ages, but somehow they haven't run out in 600 years...

But there are fewer people willing to break the state's monopoly on money production. :)

I came across statistics from one German principality - throughout the Middle Ages, the figures were approximately the same, no sharp rises or falls.

UK RSFSR 1926
59.8. Counterfeiting metal coins, state treasury notes, cash bonds, bank notes of the State Bank and government securities, as well as counterfeiting by design or by prior agreement of several persons of stamps and other signs of state payment, including tickets for railway and water transport, -
imprisonment for a term of not less than three years.

Counterfeiting metal coins, state treasury notes, banknotes, banknotes of the State Bank and state securities, if it is committed by prior agreement of several persons or as a matter of business,
in respect of all participants and accomplices -
shooting, with a reduction under mitigating circumstances to imprisonment with strict isolation for a term of not less than five years, with confiscation of all property."

And you can type into Google - "buy counterfeit coins 1920-1930" and you will find a lot of them, and they will cost about the same as the real ones - they were just counterfeited a lot.
Banknotes are more problematic - people didn't keep them after the reforms, at most they pasted them on toilets, and unlike coins, they don't survive in the soil.

[Chack wessel]

You see, the thing is, if a counterfeiter is caught, he won't be able to counterfeit money anymore. Try proving that's not true.

[your1970]

Quote: Chack Wessel

You see, the thing is, if a counterfeiter is caught, he won't be able to counterfeit money anymore. Try proving that's not true.

The next one immediately takes his place - sooner or later, but he comes.
Otherwise, there would have been no article for counterfeiting in the 1977 Criminal Code - they would ALL have been shot under the 1926 Criminal Code and that would be it, they would have disappeared...

[Essex62]

So many were caught, so many were put down. What happens if we don't detect and put down? That's what the state is for: to protect its interests. Do you personally have a proposal for how to combat crime?

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

So many were caught, so many were put down. What happens if we don't detect and put down? That's what the state is for: to protect its interests. Do you personally have a proposal for how to combat crime?

They recently put a general in jail - everyone was shouting that he was honest.
If we accept your offer, he would have been eaten by worms long ago, and in 20-30 years, maybe (or maybe not!!) he would be rehabilitated.
Were all those executed in 1930 guilty? Judging by the fact that those who shot them were executed, no! But judging by the fact that those who shot those who executed were executed, who knows...
Would it have been legal to kill Rokossovsky?
Would this help the country?

[Essex62]

What does Rokossovsky have to do with this? Am I suggesting extrajudicial executions? They released him, so there's no proof.
So the state should turn a blind eye? Let them steal?

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

What does Rokossovsky have to do with this? Am I proposing extrajudicial executions? They released him, which means it wasn't proven.
So the state should turn a blind eye? Let them steal?

So Popov is sitting here normally - everything has been proven?

Quote: your1970

They recently put a general in jail - everyone was shouting that he was honest.
If we accept your offer, he would have been eaten by worms long ago, and in 20-30 years, maybe (or maybe not!!) he would be rehabilitated.

[Essex62]

Terer Popov? Rokossovsky was just here. The answer is, should the state stop oppressing thieves? Let them steal?

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Terer Popov? Rokossovsky was just here.

Well, you're in your element - reading in chunks.

Quote: your1970

They recently put a general in jail - everyone was shouting that he was honest.
If I accept your offer, the worms would have eaten it long ago, and in 20-30 years maybe (and mymaybe or not!!) rehabilitated.
Were all those executed in 1930 guilty? Judging by the fact that those who shot them were executed, no! But judging by the fact that those who shot those who executed were executed, who knows...
Would it have been legal to kill Rokossovsky?
Would this help the country?

- spots We read Rokossovsky in the first comment, but not Popov???

Quote: Essex62

The answer will be: should the state stop oppressing thieves? Let them steal?

According to the court's decision, he is a thief.

Quote: Essex62

That's how many they caught, that's how many they finished off. But what happens if they don't detect and don't finish off?

- You suggested finishing off thieves.
Do you agree that Popov should be shot or not?

[Essex62]

Don't jump off the topic. Don't we need to clean out the thieves? I wasn't the one who started talking about Popov and Rokossovsky. You can't fool me. Answer the question.


You see what the problem with Popov is. It's all about politics and the Basmanny system of justice. Your guys are accusing him of theft for something he didn't actually do.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

I wasn't the one who started talking about Popov and Rokossovsky.

I gave two examples to support your assertion.

Quote: Essex62

What will happen if you don’t identify it and don’t stop it? That's what the state is for, to protect its own interestsы

XM

Quote: Essex62

This is politics and Basmanny justice. Your people are accusing him of theft for something he didn't actually do.

and Rokossovsky for DONE "Were you beaten? For espionage" ?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

That's what the state is for, to protect its interests... There's politics and Basmanny justice here.

Sequence? No, I haven't heard of it.

[bessonov932]

There's a methodological subtlety here: who are the people who have the authority to "coke or not coke"? Often, it's these wonderful, pure, bright people (after all, they took the oath!) who begin their game.

[dmi.pris1]

Here, they are afraid to put a few grams of lead in the head (because they themselves might get hit), and you put tin in the throat...

[Bumblebee_3]

yuriy55 (Siberian)
I suggest pouring gold down their throats. Yes, gold! I don't think it would take much. Knowing that they have gold down their throats, there will be those who will drag them out of their graves, slit their throats, and leave their corpses to be eaten by crows and dogs. I remember there was a movie in the early 90s, if I remember correctly, called "Repentance." There was a scene in it where they wouldn't give a criminal a place in the cemetery. They would dig them out of their graves and throw them to wild animals.

[Fitter65]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

When will they get their fill,...the freaks

Never!!!!

[ZovSailor]

dmi.pris1
Today, 09: 10
When will they get their fill,...the freaks

Invite specialists with experience in fighting corruption in the DPRK and Beijing, and then specialists from the Islamic Republic of Iran after the victory over the Zionists and penguins, since the adoption of the article on the tower is not approved by the Supreme and Constitutional Courts.

[your1970]

Quote: ZovSailor

dmi.pris1
Today, 09: 10
When will they get their fill,...the freaks

Invite specialists with experience in fighting corruption in the DPRK and Beijing, and then specialists from the Islamic Republic of Iran after the victory over the Zionists and penguins, since the adoption of the article on the tower is not approved by the Supreme and Constitutional Courts.

Bugaga - in the PRC there were 980,000 corruption-related cases last year, in previous years there were from 300 to 500,000 such cases per year
And this is with 7 million civil servants - that is, over 10 years - imprisoned all(except for the very small link who don’t even get chocolate)....
And it wouldn’t be worth it at all for the IRI⁰ - there is capitalism, poverty, and someone regularly and systematically leaks ALL valuable information to Israel.

[alexboguslavski]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

When will they get their fill?

This has already become a standard phrase.

[Joker62]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

When will they get their fill,...the freaks

Until the moratorium on the death penalty is lifted, the theft will not stop.
They know full well that the more you steal, the less you get back, and that's important: there's no confiscation of property or money. They'll just slap on a ridiculous fine in court and that's it!
They will be released and have everything they need and live in luxury!

[paul3390]

The question is: isn't it possible to somehow stop the activities of such characters before they cause significant damage to the Motherland? And if that doesn't work, punish them so severely that others seriously consider whether the cost of such punishment is worth it?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

The question is different: is it possible to somehow stop the activities of such characters BEFORE they cause significant damage to the Motherland? And if it doesn't work out, punish them in such a way that others will seriously think about whether the money is worth such a punishment?

And did anyone succeed?BEFORE"??? !!!

In China, there are shootings - 2025 - 980,000 corruption-related cases, 2024 - 540,000, 2023 - 320,000, 2022 - 460,000.
Over the past 10 years, there have never been fewer than 100,000 cases.
This is with a civil servant population of only 7 million, of which 2 million have had cases opened against them over the past 5 years.
That is, the length of service and experience of the managers all levels - less than xnumx years

[paul3390]

"Before" is when the character just started stealing. Before reaching billions... Is that also impossible, in your opinion? How much do Chinese officials manage to steal on average before they're jailed?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

How much, on average, do Chinese officials manage to steal before being imprisoned?

The highest amount I know of is $6 billion - one of the provincial leaders.
The owner of 9 mining and processing plants in China and 6 mining and processing plants abroad gave out 26 billion in bribes in a year - but there was no breakdown of how much it was given out to 1-10-100-1000 officials.

[paul3390]

I wonder if you could provide a link? I don't really understand how, under Chinese rules, they could steal so much, especially in foreign currency.
And - no less interesting - where did these billions go?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

I wonder if you could provide a link? I don't really understand how, under Chinese rules, they could steal so much, especially in foreign currency.
And - no less interesting - where did these billions go?

These are the cases I wrote about above - I haven't looked at modern Chinese corruption individually for a long time (who exactly stole how much)
"Six months later, an internal party investigation into Zhou's corruption began, and in March 2014, the authorities seized the accounts of the official, his relatives, and "accomplices" for a total amount $14,5 billion, according to Reuters sources. In December, Zhou Yongkang was arrested and immediately expelled from the Communist Party.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/23/04/2015/55379c3c9a7947555d572062?ysclid=mmix1aq2lm394731090

According to the indictment, the gang members had been conducting criminal activity since 1993, primarily in Sichuan Province. Led by Liu Han, the group illegally took control of several sectors of the local economy, "reaping enormous profits and seriously disrupting economic and social order."
https://ria.ru/20150209/1046629178.html?ysclid=mmix6pivy4414689690

[Berkut752]

In China, they execute arrogant corrupt officials, yet cherish their country's prestige! But in our country, someone who steals millions and billions is, at best, fired, with the absurd explanation of "LOSS OF TRUST!"? And some are allowed to leave in peace. But by losing their homeland, they lose the entire world, gaining nothing in return, and they only realize this later. They not only betray their homeland, but also rob it. A person can adapt to anything, live in a foreign country, speak a foreign language, eat foreign food, celebrate foreign holidays, but a traitor cannot adapt to loneliness.

[yuriy55]

The former deputy director of the Kalashnikov concern has been arrested in connection with a fraud case.

This music will last forever, If I change the batteries...

[paul3390]

Under Comrade Stalin, there was the concept of "family member of an enemy of the people." If all these thieves had known for certain that their entire families would be sent to Siberia to live in a communal apartment in a barracks and earn minimum wage, maybe they would have given it some thought. As it is, they'll provide their entire offspring with a luxurious life for several generations, so they don't have to spend five years in prison, and in comfortable conditions, no doubt?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

Under Comrade Stalin, there was the concept of being a family member of an enemy of the people. If all these thieves had known for certain that their entire family would be sent to Siberia to a communal apartment in a barracks on minimum wage, maybe they would have given it some thought.

With him - very easy and stress-free - They took down Tukhachevsky. He may or may not have been a complete idiot, but his position was of no use to anyone other than a few careerists around him, and it never made any sense.
And now even more so - to get out HONEST AND DECENT - it'll take exactly half an hour (they'll open an account in Switzerland or Kazakhstan, slip you a fake piece of paper to sign).
And it ended - honest and decent, and his family - at your suggestion - went to Kolyma.
How much are you - honest and decent- will you find it in this scenario???
Correct - 0, Grand Zero...

[paul3390]

So, I take it you're completely satisfied with everything going on in the country? Or are you an ideological non-resistance to evil? Or perhaps you even believe that theft is somehow beneficial to the state? Otherwise, I don't quite understand the gist of your statements.

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

So, I take it you're completely satisfied with everything going on in the country? Or are you an ideological non-resistance to evil? Or perhaps you even believe that theft is somehow beneficial to the state? Otherwise, I don't quite understand the gist of your statements.

The essence of the passage is simple - hoping for "9 grams/on a stake/to burn alive/to crush a family with an asphalt roller on live television" is pointless.
The person is not afraid at all ALIEN death - he does not apply it to himself at all.
And you know this very well - there are a ton of facts confirming this.
The only one(!!!!!) exit - technical the impossibility of using stolen goods.
For example, when Rosreestr didn't have the Multifunctional Center (MFC), they charged for expedited registration. When the MFC appeared, those bribes disappeared abruptly.
But even this example is rather arbitrary - when the Soviet elite accumulated an excess of money, they simply destroyed the country.

[paul3390]

I'm not arguing – the best option is when large sums of money are simply impossible to steal, much less spend. Let's recall the ordeals of Ostap Ibrahimovic in the USSR. And when Andropov began eviscerating the Soviet elite in the Caucasus and Central Asia, they found money in sacks. Again, stealing simple cash and stealing entire enterprises are two different things.
During the Soviet Union this was physically impossible.
But does this eliminate the need for harsh and cruel punishment for those who did manage to steal?
You're wrong – in China, for example, they managed to bring corruption within some limits. Including public executions. Even in Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew managed to eradicate theft without any persuasion.

In fact, you're right: it was precisely the impunity of theft at the top that destroyed the Union. So? What conclusions should we draw from this?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

You are wrong - in China, for example, they managed to bring corruption within some limits.

What kind of limits are there in China if over the past 5 years there have been cases for every 3rd civil servant out of 7 million?
Here it is cheaper to blow up 200-500 people at once, disposing of old ammunition.


There is a problem with conclusions; I don’t see any way out at all.


Z. S

Quote: paul3390

the Soviet elite of the Caucasus and Central Asia - they found money in sacks.

The Armenian "cement case" would have been impossible without the participation of the USSR Minister of Transport - they didn't have time or couldn't handle it.
There's not bags of money there, there's wagonloads of cash.

[Essex62]

Is this your personal conclusion, or was the minister actually involved? Are there case files with evidence? How many train cars were found on his person? And again, if we're talking about the period immediately before the coup, then that's not surprising. The plundering of socialist property began before the de facto abolition of Soviet laws, creating loopholes in the form of cooperatives and various "business accounting" schemes.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

Is this your personal conclusion or was the minister really involved?

It's strange that when it comes to Russian ministers, for some reason you have no doubts about whether they are right or not.

[Essex62]

What's so strange? Someone like that (or maybe an auntie) is under the microscope of those watching from Old Square. The system was structured so that one could only have goods according to the nomenklatura register. Well, you couldn't just buy yourself an island. You could live in a nice dacha and drive a Volga, rented from the state, and that's it. Oh, and there's also the smoked sausage ration. I worked with the deputy minister of that very same transport. I don't remember him ever being dragged off to the Office for questioning.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

A similar uncle (or aunt) is like under a microscope of those watching

And who were the observers under the microscope? And what prevented them from covering their eyes from time to time for a small bribe?

Quote: Essex62

The system was structured in such a way that goods could be obtained in accordance with the nomenclature register.

Try to explain how, under such a strict and wonderful system, Raisa Gorbacheva learned to discern furs and diamonds?
Although, in principle, I agree that in Soviet times there weren't the same opportunities for spending money as there are now, especially outside the nomenklatura system.

[Essex62]

What did you just write? Who's getting paid, the residents of Old Square? What the hell do they need it for? They're the bearers of ideology, enjoying every perk possible under socialism. Firstly, they're genuinely ideological, and secondly, they're under the microscope of their own kind. It all started here as soon as the last of them died out.

Why shouldn't the nomenklatura ladies know their stuff? It's a bit petty, by today's standards. And with Gorbacheva, it was a total circus. Back in the day, a major in the office got his hands on an old case. It was written down in black and white that no one remembered the schoolgirl or student. A legend. Well, they laughed and filed it away, or maybe even burned it, as befits a Stirlitz.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

Who's getting the bribe, the residents of Old Square?

Do you think they were the ones who actually kept vigil and monitored violations of socialist legality? I think they delegated it to someone lower down. But at their own level, they could get away with practically anything.

Quote: Essex62

Well, why shouldn't the nomenklatura ladies understand diamonds?

Really, they're not some kind of scum. And for the same reason, why shouldn't they have credit cards to buy jewelry abroad?

During her trip, Raisa Gorbacheva visited several high-end salons, and one of her purchases was a pair of $2000 Cartier diamond earrings. The purchase was paid for with an American Express gold card.

This refers to Gorbachev's visit to England in 1984, when he was just a member of the Politburo. And how many wives, children, mistresses, nephews, and friends did those members have, who themselves had relatives and friends of their own? And there were also ministers, marshals, generals, various secretaries, and so on and so forth. Who examined them all, and under what microscope?
But what wasn't there back then was the internet. That's why today's Soviet patriots feel like they didn't steal, live lavishly, or disregard the people from their perch.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Is this your personal conclusion, or was the minister actually involved? Are there case files with evidence? How many train cars were found on his person? And again, if we're talking about the period immediately before the coup, then that's not surprising. The plundering of socialist property began before the de facto abolition of Soviet laws, creating loopholes in the form of cooperatives and various "business accounting" schemes.

The cement saga came to light after the earthquakes in Armenia. When the destruction and casualties clearly showed, the proportion of cement in buildings fell. up to 1/10 of the standardThe cement was officially heading to Armenia, but in reality it was being turned around and shipped to Krasnodar, Crimea, and the World Cup coast. At that time (late 1970s, early 1980s), pensioners with northern cash and a desperate desire for a "house" on the first line flocked from the North.
Without the Ministry of Transport, redirect trains using forged documents or without any documents at all There was no trace of stolen cement. In Armenia, the trail led to the Central Committee of Armenia.
They hushed it up, just like the Cotton Case. Just like the two "Forest Cases."

[Essex62]

Perhaps. But there was no case against the minister. And why do you think there's anything criminal about this? Perhaps it was decided at the very top, to close the problem. Who's to tell these old farts? Things weren't so strict in the 80s, with all the various records.
Khlopkovoe is generally considered "not our thing." It's likely that not only Khrushchev and the Liberal Party knew about the SA's lawlessness, but Stalin too. Well, there was no Soviet power there. And you're right, all "national" matters were hushed up.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Perhaps. But there was no case against the minister. And why do you think there was a crime here? Perhaps it was decided at the very top to close the door on the issue.

Seriously? The trains were officially unloaded in Armenia (and were paid for unloading the cargo!), but in reality, they were in Crimea (and for free – these trains never actually existed in Crimea, according to the documents).
What kind of crime is this?
- at the level hundreds of millions of Soviet rublesThis is already a business, they don’t put you in jail for that...

[Essex62]

So you're saying those old farts from Old Square were involved? Aren't you laughing? Who was this Konarev to them? I take it you're talking about the Ministry of Railways?

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

So you're saying the old farts from Old Square were in on it? Aren't you laughing?

It's funny, of course - the children and grandchildren of all the general secretaries live abroad.
From grandfathers' pensions, apparently...
The children and grandchildren of the Politburo and Central Committee also live there.
Remember - Soviet power in all its decency and honesty ended with Khrushchev.
What followed was rampant theft at all levels.

[Essex62]

You're lying. You want to present this so much to whitewash today's thieves. A guardian is a guardian, after all.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

You're lying. You want to present this so much to whitewash today's thieves. A guardian is a guardian, after all.

Hmm, and how does it whiten? current what children of previous live abroad?
Today's children live on stolen goods - what do the children of General Secretaries who died 40 years ago live on?
At least one option? Don't suggest memoirs—after Alliluyeva, no one was interested in anyone else's memoirs, and the copyright on them only lasts 25 years...
Well, at least push one option...

[Essex62]

I don't care where their children live. They had the opportunity after the restoration, so they left. So you're saying the entire Central Committee and all the regional leaders of the party and the state are thieves and corrupt?

I think going to a psychiatrist is pointless here. There's no cure for the bourgeois poison.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

I don't care where their children live. They had the opportunity after the restoration, so they left. So you're saying the entire Central Committee and all the regional leaders of the party and the state are thieves and corrupt?

Did they leave and work as homeless people, waitresses, prostitutes, drivers, and street cleaners? Or did they leave and suddenly open their own office, foundation, house in England, etc.?
Give an example of at least one working person from the children of former...

[Essex62]

I wouldn't even think about it. I told you everything. Sha.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

I wouldn't even think about it. I told you everything. Sha.

Well, I see. There's nothing to say. You understand perfectly well that leaving without money and living there is relatively normal, and not

Quote: your1970

homeless people, waitresses, prostitutes, drivers, janitors?

- impossible.
You even understand that they could have easily returned here when it became clear that no one would persecute the CPSU (otherwise you would end up on your own) ) - but no one returned.
It's all clear - you understand that they sold out Soviet power as best they could - but your soul doesn't accept it.

[Essex62]

Nothing to say about traitors? Yes. They are traitors.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Nothing to say about traitors? Yes. They are traitors.

Every time you write about traitors - you're talking about instability of the System as such - if it is so dependent on the individual.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

There is no cure for the bourgeois poison

As if it were possible from the Soviet one.

Quote: Essex62

A guardian is a guardian

And who is a guardian in your understanding?
This is not the first time I’ve tried to find out the meaning of this term, but for some reason no one can explain it.

[Essex62]

There's no such thing as Soviet poison. Socialism is for people, it's good. Everything you and your accomplice threw at the fan was and will remain a substance.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

Socialism is for people, it is good.

No.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: your1970

Soviet power, in all its decency and honesty, ended with Khrushchev. What followed was rampant theft at all levels.

Earlier, much earlier. Abuses of power began around 1917.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: paul3390

Does this eliminate the need for harsh and cruel punishment for those who managed to steal?

Generally, it's believed that it's not the severity of punishment that lowers crime rates, but rather its inevitability. But this isn't certain.

Quote: paul3390

In Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew managed to eradicate theft without persuasion.

a) Singapore is just one city with a population of less than six million. Our own St. Petersburg is comparable in population and twice as large in area.
b) Did he succeed? There are many tales about this, but how can one verify their truth?

[your1970]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Singapore is just one city with a population of less than six million. Our own St. Petersburg is comparable in population and twice as large.

1/6 by area and 1/4 of Moscow - 42,000 police officers versus 67,000 in Moscow.
By extrapolation, there should be at least 180,000 police officers in Moscow and 6 million in the country.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: your1970

By extrapolation, there should be at least 180,000 police officers in Moscow and 6 million in the country.

I think many necropatriots would agree.

[Essex62]

Tukhachevsky was no thief. He orchestrated nothing less than a coup d'état. They found an honest and decent man.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Tukhachevsky was no thief. He orchestrated nothing less than a coup d'état. They found an honest and decent man.

Hmm, is there evidence? If "his words = evidence," then 90% of the commentators here are plotting a coup.
And yes - if he NOT "honest and decent" - then who appointed him there?

[Essex62]

What do you mean, who appointed him? The top brass did. Are you always aware of what's going on in your subordinate's head? Maybe he's dreaming of undermining you. They exposed him and slapped him down. It's standard practice at all times and in all places. And don't spout this nonsense about "his confession." There was a conspiracy and it had every chance of destabilizing the army on the eve of the war.
Those who don’t have opportunities here, Tukhachevsky had them, due to his position.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

The conspiracy existed and had every chance of destabilizing the army on the eve of the war.

Are you kidding me???????
Straight up "destabilize"??????
Won what ...
Let me remind you that the army in the USSR never banged or blew anywhere. never - which face rules these days.
Trotsky's head was split open – did the army mutiny? No!
Tukhach was killed - did the army mutiny? No!
Zhukov got kicked in the ass twice – did the army mutiny? No!
Stalin was killed - did the army mutiny? No!
Stalin was smeared with feces at the 20th Congress – did the army mutiny? No!
The army was cut down to the point of being a joke – did the army mutiny? No?
Khrushchev got a kick in the ass - did the army mutiny? No!
The USSR collapsed—did the army mutiny? No, you saw that yourself—they simply scattered in different directions and that was it...

The only one who could organize a coup with the participation of the army was Trotsky, and even then only for a very short time, and then the army could no longer stand up to him.

And the mediocrity of Tukhachevsky could not organize anything more terrible than a “conspiracy” - with gatherings in the kitchen with vodka - even in theory.

[Salt]

Better late than never.
Punishment always finds its way to embezzlers.
Let it be so.

[tralflot1832]

The number of people wanting to grab budget money is not decreasing. Because the system needs to be broken.

[Murmur 55]

tralflot1832 In China, they shoot, jail, and kick out people with a black mark, but they can't win, judging by the statistics, human nature needs to change here.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Murmur55, human nature is driven by the thirst for profit and the fear of punishment. The question is, who will win? Either punishment—in the form of the state—or the thirst for profit—in the form of the state—will win.

[Murmur 55]

Andrei Nikolaevich Since time immemorial, greed has triumphed; such people are not afraid of death or prison, and this has always been the case, to varying degrees of severity.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The problem is more complex. There are groups in the country whose activities are aimed at creating unbearable living conditions. This triggers greed to the fullest extent. Greed can exist on its own, but anti-state activity exacerbates it.
A specific example: There's an ethnic group that's seizing contracts for road repairs.
Her motto is: make the roads as bad as possible, use loose crushed rock and inferior bitumen. Then the next job won't be long in coming. These same people in the auto repair industry say: make sure the customer comes back again.
That is, there are two components: one is to make things as bad as possible, the other is to profit.
And no one has ruled out foreign influence on the processes, including influence from Ukraine and the UK. The thief may have direct ties to Ukrainian intelligence agencies.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Ropot55, you're probably right. But this (chronic greed) is more of a psychiatric issue.

[paul3390]

As long as there's money, there will be thieves. It's inevitable. It's all a matter of quantity. There was theft in the Soviet Union, too, but you'll agree, it's one thing to steal a box of sausage, and quite another to steal billions in defense contracts. And then there's the inevitability of harsh punishment, of course.
But when a guy steals, say, a billion dollars, and gets a tenner for it, of which he'll serve, God willing, half—that's just not impressive at all. Especially considering he stole at least two, and only one was found. Suggest he serve five million dollars a year—half the country would line up!

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

They stole during the Soviet era, too—but you'll agree, it's one thing to steal a box of sausage, and quite another to steal billions in defense contracts.

Samara, 1943.
"Colonel Konstantinov distributed 4 echelons of gifts to unidentified individuals at the front" - demoted, convicted, sent to the front.

[paul3390]

So, did it cost billions? Did the Motherland suffer catastrophic damage? What's the point of this example?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

That is to say, it was worth it. billionsWas the homeland catastrophically damaged? What is the significance of this example?

For you - who don't understand what was worth in a hungry country - The Yak-3 aircraft cost 250,000 in 1943, and the T-34 cost 143,000.
Ferapont Petrovich Golovaty bought the Yak-3 - selling 270 kg of honey.
For you personally - 1 (one!!!!!!!!) car of honey is roughly 100 (one hundred!!!!!!!!) planes.
And there were also more expensive things - clothes, shoes, tobacco.

Zakharchenko is a homeless beggar from a garbage dump compared to Konstantinov.

[paul3390]

If everything had been as you claim, he would have definitely been shot, not sent to the front and demoted. Those were different times. So, there's something wrong with your example...

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

If everything had been as you claim, he would have definitely been shot, not sent to the front and demoted. Those were different times. So, there's something wrong with your example...

Yes Yes....
"This is the Soviet government – ​​it always harshly punished enemies of the people." - if you don't share...

How many people were shot for a "fake military unit"?
"The criminal case comprised 164 volumes. Due to Pavlenko's scams, the USSR state budget suffered damages of 38 million 700 thousand rubles. During the law enforcement operation on November 14, 1952, more than 400 people, 50 of whom were military personnel. The majority of the syndicate members, as it turned out, had no idea they were doing anything illegal. Ultimately, the sentences were only 17 people. "
It is characteristic, by the way, that not a single official from among those with whom Pavlenko did business went to prison. Some received reprimands, but compared to the sentence Pavlenko himself received, these were minor. On April 4, 1955, the court sentenced him to death, and a few days later, Pavlenko was executed.
And now slooooowly - for YOU - Should we convert 38.7 million into tanks/aircraft?
The number of those who FACTORY (!!!!) knew that parts NO not on any lists and yet - he gave them money, equipment, orders and medals - shall we clarify?
Or do you understand that coming and saying "Guys, please give us 2 GSS, 7 KZ, a couple of OV, and a handful of 3 ZBZ and ZO!! We need them for credibility!!! (C) - and getting them!!! - that somehow doesn't look Soviet, but rather capitalist?
That any SMERSH, having discovered a military unit without a special officer, would be, to put it mildly, shocked (obscenities!!!)????
I came across one wild case, and there were a ton of them - even generals were shot for theft

[Essex62]

So, most people really had no idea the unit was fake. They carried on their service as if it were real. And they built up a decent amount of all sorts of things. Not fake, but real. There's never been a shortage of smart Ostaps in Rus'. They knew and still know many ways to extort money, including from a failed state. Only under Soviet rule was there a problem with "selling" stolen goods. You couldn't buy an island, a yacht, or a palace. You couldn't buy a run-down Volga, or at best a used foreign car. And even then, people might wonder where you're coming from and report you to the right people.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Well, most people really had no idea that the part was fictitious.

-
Are you ready to justify Pavlenko?

Quote: Essex62

And they built all sorts of decent things. Not fictitious, but real.

??

Let me remind you-

Quote: your1970

Due to Pavlenko's scams, the USSR state budget suffered damages of 38 million 700 thousand rubles.

LET US EXPLAIN

Quote: your1970

For you, who don’t understand what cost what in a hungry country, a Yak-3 airplane cost 250,000 in 1943, and a T-34 cost 143,000.

- he STOLE FROM THE FRONT 270 (TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY !!!!!) T-34 tanks.

There, about 200 people from the higher headquarters had to be impaled - commanders, security officers, clerks, commandants, generals.
There are no fake units without protection from above - it is technically impossible to issue property, money, equipment, food, awards, etc. to a non-existent unit that is not on any list.

[Essex62]

It only takes one bureaucrat, and not even the most high-ranking one, for a unit to appear in the registry. Especially during or after a war. The usual carelessness of comrade commanders. What are you making up? It was revealed, Ostap got what he deserved. But his accomplice wasn't found. It's all in emails today. Then he added a number and supplies began flowing.
And why the conclusion that I'm justifying it? The thief and the one who stole it must answer for it.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

It only takes one bureaucrat, even a low-ranking one, to have a section added to the registry. Especially during or after the war. The usual carelessness of commanders.

Did they hit your head on the floor when you were a child?
At the commander's UNKNOWN appears from somewhere EXTRA part - when the Germans fought to the last and periodically the headquarters and supply trains repelled the attacks.
Not seconded, not redeployed - on its own - yabllyms!! - fallen from the sky.
Don't make fools out of Soviet commanders of all levels - they all suddenly at once stopped asking their superiors the question "What kind of owner is this?"

[Essex62]

Looks like you were the one who got beaten. This is a construction unit, not a combat unit. War has seen worse. And yet, it was "assigned." Only a rabid anti-Soviet would accuse Soviet officers, who swept away Nazism and defended our socialist Motherland, of widespread corruption. Which you are. Now, go ahead and blame the country that gave you everything. Ugh, disgusting.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Ugh, disgusting.

It's disgusting when, for the sake of stretching an owl onto a globe, it turns out that an "unowned" unit is wandering around the rear, and everyone is supplying it haphazardly.
Try getting even a liter of fuel or a second-hand rag from the divisional depots without the proper paperwork. Well, well...
The rear guards will be torn to pieces by their own security officer: “The unit is not on any list, on what basis did you issue them food/fuel/clothing?”
Rewards how were they given- ownerless??

[Essex62]

There was a part on the list. Exactly, if it hadn't been there, they wouldn't have given anything. Do you think several dozen senior Red Army officers were complete corruptors? They sold their honor as a front-line officer for 30 pieces of silver?
But how she got on the list is another question.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

In your opinion, several dozen senior Red Army officers were complete corrupt officials?

Of the 56 generals executed during the war, 6 were executed for theft.
So that you understand, the ratio of these 6 generals to the total number of generals is higher than the number of those convicted of desertion to the total number of the Red Army.

Quote: Essex62

Did they sell the honor of a front-line officer for 30 pieces of silver?

If the regiment commander doesn't know who's on his left, right, and rear, he's a piece of shit, not the regiment commander. He'll kill people and fail to complete the mission.
If a division commander doesn't know every unit in his sector of the front, he's a piece of shit and not a division commander.
If SMER doesn't know which units are in their area of ​​responsibility, they are feces, not SMERSH.
If the rear services gladly release all rear support to an unknown unit - both the regiment commander and the division commander and SMERSH - it's crap, because they don't control the rear services.
If there is no special officer in the unit (and there wasn’t one there) ) - then SMERSH feces without options.
If from the rear security service - the left part wanders about which they don’t know - they are feces
If nominations for awards are sent to the top through the division commander from a unit unknown to him (and possibly on the colonel - I don’t know the level of presentation) - then he is feces.
If the financial service doesn't have a field cash desk in a military unit, then they're doing a good job because there are no grounds for payments.
And this is not even close to the entire mountain of documents required for MINIMUM legalization of military personnel.
And for the relative legalization of this gang, a GENERAL is needed. Only he can give this pornography the appearance of legality—by sending down a document that says, "Military unit 12345 is being sent to you, commander so-and-so is to build a bridge/airfield/road." If the general is completely, completely stupid and doesn't know anything about the troops entrusted to him, he can slip them a piece of paper like that. But such generals were largely eliminated before the war, and the Germans had a hand in it too.

Quote: Essex62

Did they sell the honor of a front-line officer for 30 pieces of silver?

Are you serious? Stalin's orders to execute people for looting, violence, theft, and robbery aren't enough for you?
Isn't the Zhukovsky case, including 2 kilometers of fabric and 78 bicycle pumps, enough for you?

Isn't it enough for you that not a single front-line general shot himself during the collapse of the USSR - and there were many of them?

[Essex62]

Did you come up with this yourself? You don't have to answer, I already know.
Zhora's adjutants carried bicycle pumps and carpets, but he wasn't the one rummaging through the warehouses. Nikita had a great trump card in his hand, corralling him.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

Did you come up with this yourself? You don't have to answer, I already know.

Well, of course, I'll definitely do it myself. ...
I composed 14 inventories of the confiscated items, and while I was copying them out, I particularly noted that the premises were completely devoid of items and objects made in the USSR.
You can read them - they are available.

I can't understand this hamster-like thing for the life of me - hunting rifles, figurines, books, dishes, armor, even gold - I understand that these are decent and even psychologically acceptable trophies, but what the hell are 230 pairs of underpants, 78 bicycle pumps, 2 kilometers of fabric and other insane perversions for - what are they for??!
And that would be fine

Quote: Essex62

the adjutants dragged

- like "I didn't know," so he himself bangs his head on the floor in letters of repentance: "I didn't know, I didn't think about it, I wanted to put it in storage..." - he wanted it so much that he couldn't get around to it in 3 years...

Quote: Essex62

Nikita had a great trump card - to drive him into the stall.

- Nikitos was a nobody at that moment, a hole in a donut.
It was in 1948 under Stalin

[nik-mazur]

Quote: your1970

Are you ready to acquit Pavlenko?

Who, by the way, was awarded the Order of the Red Star, rose from senior lieutenant to colonel and almost became a general.
Even if we explain this by sloppiness, it doesn’t get any better.

[Essex62]

And does this isolated incident prove that all Soviet officers are thieves and corrupt? You, gentlemen, have reached the limit in your anti-Soviet fervor. Your accomplice wrote that, starting with Khrushchev, the entire country did nothing but steal. It's crazy.

[your1970]

Quote: Essex62

And does this particular case prove that all Soviet officers are thieves and corrupt?

This particular case proves that only 2 (!!!!)
given examples caused damage to the country's defense capability during the Great Patriotic War in an amount of no less than 1,000 (thousands!!!!!!!) T-34 tanks.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: your1970

damage to the country's defense capability during the Great Patriotic War in the amount of at least 1,000 (thousands!!!!!!!) T-34 tanks

If you convert it to T-72s, which are still in production somewhere and cost around $3 million, you'd get $3 billion, or 237,450,000,000 (two hundred thirty-seven billion, four hundred fifty million) rubles in today's money. That's not a measly nine billion rubles found in the possession of some recently jailed official.
But... we understand that this is different.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

And does this particular case prove that all Soviet officers are thieves and corrupt?

I don't know—you tell me what a particular case can prove, and what it can't, and why. For example, does the case of the former deputy director of the Kalashnikov concern, discussed here, prove that all deputy directors of the Kalashnikov concern are thieves and fraudsters, or what? Or, for example, what do you think the case of this... what's his name... Timur Ivanov proves?

Quote: Essex62

Since Khrushchev, the whole country has done nothing but steal.

Well, of course not – the whole country was stealing, starting around 1917.
It's not for nothing that people used to say: "You're the boss here, not a guest—steal every nail from the factory." Or: "Everything around here is collective farm property, everything around here is mine." Or: "What we protect is what we get."
Well, or you can approach it from the other side: in 1932, the Resolution of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of August 7, 1932, "On the protection of the property of state enterprises, collective farms and cooperatives and the strengthening of public (socialist) property", popularly known as "Decree 7-8" or "The Law on Three Spikelets":

The decree introduced the death penalty by firing squad for those found guilty (in particular, for the theft of collective farm and cooperative property, as well as for the theft of cargo from transport). This decree introduced the concept of "theft of socialist property" into Soviet legal practice as a "crime against the state and the people" in order to stop "mass theft of state and collective farm property"Amnesty for such cases was excluded.

I draw attention to the wording "mass theft." This wasn't concocted by some malicious anti-Soviet elements, but was written into the Resolution of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR.
It's not hard to guess that the mass thefts weren't limited to ears of grain from the fields; they were pilfered at all levels, whatever anyone could get their hands on. And, understandably, the higher one went, the greater the opportunity not only to steal but also to avoid punishment.
Can you imagine the level of theft that required a special draconian decree to curb it?

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Incidentally, my grandfather almost got into trouble for this very same crime. Immediately after the war, he worked as a driver at a grain elevator, and after work, he swept out the grain left in the cracks of the truck, which was then used to bake bread at home. Someone snitched, but his brother, who worked for the NKVD, tipped him off. My grandfather escaped and, until the case was closed, hid for two years in an unknown location. Even his wife, my grandmother, didn't know where she was.
This was life, where workers had to sweep grain out of trucks, and the state jailed them for it. As the Soviet song went: "I don't know another country like this."

Quote: Essex62

You gentlemen are the guardians

Here we go again. Can you explain what guards are? This is the second time I've asked, and for some reason you seem shy.

[your1970]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Resolution of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of August 7, 1932 "On the protection of the property of state enterprises, collective farms and cooperatives and the strengthening of public (socialist) property"

There "on transport"It's more beautiful - when the Decree came into effect, there were 62,000 railway accidents in the country, and by 1940 it had dropped to 1,700.
This is exactly about it Kaganovich said, "Every accident has a position and a name."
The railway workers quietly and peacefully derailed the train with goods - bang!! - after unloading all the most valuable items.
Moreover, the TWICE drop in accidents by 30,000 in 2 years clearly confirms this.

[Essex62]

A fine decree. The Russian peasant has been ingrained in his mind for a thousand years about dragging things into his farmstead. It would have taken a couple of hundred years for consciousness to develop. Even under "developed Leninist socialism," not everyone had it. What can we say about the literate individual farmers after the Revolution and the Civil War?
What are you asking? Every negative comment about the current bourgeois government immediately prompts you to slander the USSR and socialism. As if that could change anything? But it's pointless. There are plenty of people here who don't share our views, who are quite bourgeois and market-minded. But they also don't understand or approve.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

Normal decree

Well, yes, it’s normal to shoot for a couple of kilograms of grain or ten spools of thread.
The most important thing is that, despite the death penalty decrees, the plunderers of socialist property survived successfully until the very end of socialism.

Quote: Essex62

What can we say about the individual peasants who only learned to read and write after the Revolution and the Civil War?

Actually, fifteen years have passed since the revolution. It was possible to get used to the fact that everything around us was ours.
Again, Russian peasants, as well as workers, were somehow not noticed in a particular passion for theft.

Quote: Essex62

What are you asking?

What am I asking? Which questions of mine exactly are you referring to?

[Essex62]

We fought the thieves, but missed other, more serious enemies. Also, theft and greed are inevitable in any socio-political system. In yours, it's elevated to absolute status. The cornerstone of existence. There's nothing to discuss here.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

theft and greed are inevitable in any socio-political system

Not excluding the Soviet one. Amen.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: paul3390

They stole during the Soviet era too, but you have to admit, it's one thing to steal a box of sausage, and quite another to steal billions in defense contracts.

During the Soviet era, billions were simply squandered, because if it wasn’t yours, it wasn’t a pity.

Quote: paul3390

Those were different times. So, there's something wrong with your example.

Or in your understanding of those times.

[Gorynych1]

What's up to ten? Against the wall.

[Nicola]

Deputy bosses steal like carbon copies. On a particularly large scale. All bosses of deputies who have stolen money should stand first in court, before their deputies. The position demands it. They fire a deputy, appoint a new one. A couple of years pass, and the same old story happens again. I don't believe anyone who tries to believe that a deputy has more authority than their boss. Two people are responsible for financial flows. The boss signs, and after an audit, the chief accountant signs. It just can't be any other way.

[dementor873]

They waited a year and a half to make the arrest. It's no surprise that the defendants are fleeing abroad. And this is a military inspection, where, in theory, a ruckus should be raised immediately. In other sectors, it seems the Accounts Chamber only emerges from its lair once every ten years and goes back to sleep.

[Dedok]

And this military acceptance, where, in theory, a fuss should be raised immediately.

acceptance is something else...
here - "increasing the price of components" - at the entrance to the technological process...
i.e., an increase in the price of products or an increase in the cost of manufactured products...

[dementor873]

Here, the order wasn't fulfilled at all; they issue new contracts every year and report on their fulfillment at the beginning of the next. And here, it looks like someone was given a bribe to turn a blind eye to the failure to fulfill 10 contracts.

[Dedok]

The former deputy director of the Kalashnikov concern has been arrested. He carried out his criminal activities while fulfilling state defense contracts.

Shortly before this, in February, one of the Moscow courts issued an arrest warrant for the former director of procurement and logistics for the concern, Ksenia Grashchenkova, and now the same thing has happened to another her colleague.

?
Even from the article it's clear that this is her boss, maybe a former one, but not a colleague...

[Genak]

What about confiscation of property and compensation for losses? Or maybe someone stole it, served time, and the money remained untouched. That's why they steal, transfer it to relatives, and the poor civil servants themselves.

[tralflot1832]

Have you tried leaving them with their asses bare? Will there be a mayoral collapse at all levels after this winter?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: tralflot1832

Have you tried leaving them with their asses bare? Will there be a mayoral collapse at all levels after this winter?

All the mayors should be jailed. For life. And the deputies, and the deputy deputies... Bureaucracy is an ancient concept. - There is a Russian proverb - "He who divides, will not deprive himself." The concepts of honor and decency have disappeared among the bureaucratic gang.

[Tailpipe]

How can they keep from busting, the bastards? They're already flush with money! Further proof that high salaries are no guarantee of honesty.

[Maks1995]

They steal from us. And the military organized crime group, as the media reports, is only found in Ukraine...
Life is everyday.
And yes, the bosses are never to blame.

[olboop]

So, pervasive corruption and theft have reached Kalashnikov. This is in addition to the Ministry of Defense, Roscosmos, the Vostochny Cosmodrome, and other "rich darlings." What countermeasures are needed here, other than the death penalty? I'm not prepared to offer anything concrete due to my lack of relevant education and experience. But one thing is striking: how can the theft of millions, if not billions, be allowed, given strict accounting, now computerized, audits, and other oversight systems? Apparently, existing controls are insufficient.

[tralflot1832]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: tralflot1832

Have you tried leaving them with their asses bare? Will there be a mayoral collapse at all levels after this winter?

All the mayors should be jailed. For life. And the deputies, and the deputy deputies... Bureaucracy is an ancient concept. - There is a Russian proverb - "He who divides, will not deprive himself." The concepts of honor and decency have disappeared among the bureaucratic gang.

Housing and communal services management companies are a breeding ground for bribe-givers. I saw photos on social media about winter preparations and the results on the Kola Peninsula; they were as if they had fallen out of their tree trunks. The southern coast of the Barents Sea is not at all the northern coast of the Black Sea.

[Bookinist69]

Isn't it really possible to give a lobotomy instead of a prison sentence for grand theft? After that, the defendant will definitely stop stealing!

[faterdom]

What's the name of the hero of the capital's labor union? They mentioned "the previously arrested Ksenia Grashchenkova" again, but for this one, there's only "he" and "another colleague," which only allows for gender identification, nothing more.
Is he a secret designer? I don't think so, more likely just another financial and legal genius...

[Foggy Dew]

The SVO has made landings much easier; before, it would have taken us 5 years to figure it out, but now they've given us carte blanche.

[Old warrant officer]

And who can blame Joseph Vissarionovich for the purges in the country before the war?

[tabex]

Two deputies from the Altai Krai region are communists; they were arrested for fictitious employment of assistants. I think if they ordered an investigation of all deputies, there would be many more such criminals in the Legislative Assembly, but it seems the order was only issued by the Communist Party.

[Essex62]

There's no need to call this scum of the earth communists. The CPRF is a pocket party of towers, like a bunch of others like it, with all sorts of fancy names. Communists have no connection whatsoever to the current government. Someone with such views would have a hard time holding on even in an ordinary bourgeois office, let alone in power. They're not loyal, they're even downright enemies.

[snow mountain]

Quote: alexboguslavski

Nowadays, the theft in the structures connected with the country's defense is more thorough than in the wild 90s.

Because today, that's where all the money is concentrated.

[Gory]

Everything is as usual...nothing surprising.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Chack Wessel

You see, the thing is, if a counterfeiter is caught, he won't be able to counterfeit money anymore. Try proving that's not true.

The next one immediately takes his place - sooner or later, but he comes.
.

...Something comes "IN HIS PLACE"? So, "places" are limited, and counterfeiting can only be done when a "place" opens up?

[VladislavZ]

They should be publicly executed, like in China. Chained to posts and machine-gunned on camera. So that every official knows: you're no longer just an individual; you've taken on government work and you're just a cog in its structure. You're no longer your own master! You're a servant, not a boss! Betrayal is unacceptable!

[SergeySmirnov3663]

It's business as usual. Friends, relatives, and heads of departments and companies connected to the budget are utterly honest people, but their deputies are real scoundrels and thieves.
The Ministry of Defense is a prime example. All the deputies are in jail for billion-dollar bribes and theft, but the leader is a real shoo-in.
There could be two explanations for this, the first is at the beginning of my speech.
The second is if the leaders are so incompetent that they don’t even notice such a bacchanalia around them.
Or most likely all together.

[AdAstra]

C - Stability and B - Getting up from the knees.

[bbb]

The entire Rostec could be jailed there, starting with Chemezov. It's the most corrupt company there is.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Ideally, the concern should be fully state-owned. Why did partial privatization happen? Officials in the Ministry of Defense still have personal interests related to the concern.

[VladislavZ]

Or maybe, like in Spain, in the Middle Ages, everyone will be burned at the stake, God himself will decide who is his child? That's how it will be soon. I predict. Dark ages are coming for Eurogays... And it will be for Russians too. does not matter.

[senima56]

During the Second World War, for such things you should be put up against the wall! Accordingly, with confiscation of property!

[newtc7]

So, it seems like the Kalashnikov CEO isn't aware of it and has nothing to do with it?)))?)

[Alexander X]

All these criminal acts should be considered sabotage, treason, and betrayal, and these charges carry a penalty of well over ten years. The embezzlement of defense funds by officials of all stripes should be punished significantly more severely than ordinary theft and fraud. For they harm the country's defense and all Russian citizens. And mandatory confiscation of property from such criminals and those associated with them should be enshrined in law!

[newtc7]

I'm especially pleased by those who downvote such comments. It seems like they're some sort of landing party of thieving bureaucrats on VO. Or characters so blinded by servility that they've completely forgotten how to think.

[Alexander X]

I'm especially pleased by those who downvote such comments. It seems like they're some sort of landing party of thieving bureaucrats on VO. Or characters so blinded by servility that they've completely forgotten how to think.

Another possibility: these downvoters are simply mentally ill. Suffering from, for example, senile malice. They scratch cars in the yard and throw poop under their neighbor's door.
Or the xoxles grazing on VO and angrily downvoting everyone in a row, just to make trouble...
And who cares about such individuals... There are still most normal people

[Damask]

There are thieves everywhere, they have produced economists and accountants, they have flooded all the structures, right up to the Supreme Court, there are no business managers anywhere

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Murmur 55

yuriy55 Here, if we believe our media, Bastrykin introduced a bill on the confiscation of property from corrupt officials, but G.D. rejected it with a STUNNING formulation voiced by one government official.

I don't know who's doing the talking now. But back then, there were as many Russophobes there as there were flies in shit.
For example, hiding behind another surname, "Gudkov"Bukhband,
the author and chief lobbyist of the anti-Russian article, the embezzler Spiegel, etc.

These non-humans introduced and approved the laws by which Russian people live in the Russian Federation.
If they only wished, due to their satanic-Talmudic essence, then it would cost them nothing to pass a law on the forced sterilization of the indigenous inhabitants of Russia.

And why not?
In Peru, forced sterilization of 300,000 women and men was tested.
This happened not in the 17th or 18th century, but in the 90s of the last century.

[AK-1945]

I just want to say... After all, this never happened... And here it is again! Viktor Stepanovich changed the phrase a little.