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Tower on a leash. Overview of mid-caliber towers

Tower on a leash. Overview of mid-caliber towers

While remotely controlled combat modules (DBMS) with small-caliber guns have become an indispensable means of guaranteeing defensive firepower for most armored vehicles (from protected trucks to main combat vehicles tanks), medium caliber and their great range are claimed by patrols and advanced units in order to be able to destroy the enemy before he applies his weapon systems.

This is stated in the article of the publication Armada, translated by Vyacheslav Merzlyakov.

Borrowing experience gained with their Samson 30 Mk1 system, an Israeli company developed the Samson 30 Mk2 turret, where the 30-mm ATK Mk44 cannon is hidden in an armored casing that protects the 1 Level, which can be upgraded to the 4 Level with the kit which sets can be upgraded to an XNUMX Level kit which can be bundled with a kit which can be bundled with a set of kits for the kits, which can be upgraded to the XNUMX Level, which can be upgraded to the XNUMX Level, which sets can be upgraded to the kit for complete sets of XMUM XNUMX MKXNXX MkXNMX MkXNMX MkXNMX MkXNUMX MkXNUMX MkXNUMX MkXNUMX MkXNUMX MkXNUMX

The module maintains a very low silhouette, which makes getting into it difficult. With vertical guidance angles -20 ° / + 60 °, the Mk44 cannon has a dual feed system from two magazines containing shots containing 100. Protection of the crew allows him to recharge and perform maintenance from under the armor (hatch separates the tower from the rest of the car). 7,62-mm magazine or 40-mm automatic grenade launcher mounted to the right of the main gun.

The commander and the shooter each have their own aiming system, gyro-stabilized in two axes. The gunner’s sight is coaxially aligned with the gun barrel, while the commander’s system is a retractable panoramic sight that provides search and shock capabilities. A manhole in the roof of the tower allows the commander to directly observe the external situation, which increases the situational awareness of the crew.

The Samson 30 Mk2 turret can be equipped with two Rafael Spike LR ATGMs, while the main armament can be replaced with 30 - 40 mm cannons of western or eastern design. Rafael offers a new tower in four different configurations; Depending on the type of equipment installed and the level of protection, the weight of the Mark2 tower varies from 1400 to 2400 kg.

A key feature of the Rafael Samson 30 Mk2 turret is that the commander can improve situational awareness thanks to a sunroof that allows him to directly observe

Another Israeli company Elbit Systems is also active in the mid-caliber tower market with its UT25 and UT30 models. In September, 2012, the company Elbit Systems received an order for the initial production and supply of the Brazilian Army’s UT30 BR 30 uninhabited towers. The cost of these towers is 15 million dollars, they will be installed on the Iveco 6x6 "Guarani" armored vehicle under the contract announced in January of the 2011 year and estimated at about 260 million.

The number of towers is not announced, but the first batch must be delivered within two years. The German company KMW showed a modification of its combat module FLW200, designated FLW200 +. The new system can accept not only light weapons, but also an 20-mm cannon, namely the Rheinmetall Rh202 DM6A1. FW200 + weighs approximately 400 kg, including a cannon and one hundred 20x139 mm shells, the Rh202 cannon has a double ammunition feed.

The two-axis stabilized gun has vertical elevation angles -10 ° / + 50 °, and the crew can set firing zones and prohibit fire. The optoelectronics kit is placed in the container on the right side of the installation and includes a color CCD camera with magnification, a laser range finder, and a thermal imager; taking into account long distances, a system for amplifying an image of a cooled type is installed.

Using the family concept, KMW has retained numerous common components with FLW100 / 200 DBMS, such as the control system and display, as well as mechanical interfaces. At the top of the FLW200 + you can install additional weapons systems. This can be either a rocket launcher or a light machine gun, although grenade launchers can also be installed for self-defense.

In Belgium, Cockerill Maintenance & Ingénierie (CMI) has proven its versatility in the mid-caliber area with the release of the DUBM, a modification of the CPWS (Cockerill Protected Weapon Station) 20-25-30. The module was installed on the Panhard Crab 4x4 vehicle shown at Eurosatory 2012. The CPWS module protects the gun from ballistic threats and from bad weather, but allows the crew to reload weapon from under the armor.

The gun is fully stabilized, has vertical angles —10 ° / + 45 °, a dual-mode night / day observation and aiming system with a laser range finder, while the panoramic sight can rotate to a vertical angle + 60 ° and is easily integrated thanks to the CAN bus architecture. If the gun has a double feed, the ammunition holds up to two types of 150 shots.

The CPWS module can be equipped with a hatch allowing the commander to have a direct overview of the surrounding terrain, which was a clear requirement of the French army, taken into account in the Crab machine tower. With standard 1 Level protection, the CPWS module, depending on the armament, has a mass of 750 - 800 kg, which can increase significantly when the consumer chooses the 4 Level protection.

Elbit Systems manufactures UT25 and UT30 uninhabited modules; the latter has recently won great success in Brazil

The most recent development of KMW is the FL200 + module, an enhanced version of the FL200 DBMS, which can accept the 20-mm gun

Cockerill also offers a range of modular mid-caliber twin towers that can accept 25 - 40 mm guns with growth potential up to 50 mm. These towers have a common electronic architecture, developed by the company, they are fully stabilized, when installing a panoramic sight, the commander has search and percussion capabilities.

Standard vertical angles are -20 ° / + 60 °, although with the ATK cannon the maximum angle + 75 ° can be achieved. The standard Security Level is 1, but it can be upgraded to the 5 Level by installing additional booking sets. The 40-mm CTAI turret with telescopic ammunition was presented on the Panhard Sphynx 2010 year; This Sphynx machine is aimed at the EBRC program of the French army.

Two more towers are also targeting the EBRC program. At Eurosatory 2012, Nexter presented its new turret armed with a 40-mm CTAI 40 cannon. The French army wants a twin tower, but Nexter has developed a fully modular system around the digital core, making it easy to transform it into a remote-controlled system.

An all-day day / night surveillance system provides maximum situational awareness for the crew, while episcopes provide a direct overview. The FN Arrows RCWS module is installed at the top to provide defensive fire. The main gun has a vertical angle of -15 ° / + 60 °, while the carousel magazine on the 62 shot allows you to instantly select the desired ammunition.

On both sides of the turret installed launchers for MMP missiles from MBDA. The container with the missiles will be armored to the 3 Level, the basic defense for the tower is 2 Level, but it can be upgraded with additional reservations. In the current configuration, the tower weighs 4,2 tons, but its design can take the maximum weight of seven tons. Being fully digital, the Nexter 40 CTA tower will be able to accept auxiliary towers in automatic configuration mode.

Currently, only a double version is made with a full optional upgrade. The second tower, the ARX20 UAB, shown two years ago, is also a fully modular system. The highest model in the lineup includes auxiliary 7,62 mm armament, advanced optoelectronic equipment and automatic tracking capabilities. Several options are currently being considered for this tower and new versions may soon become available.

A modification of the Cockerill Protected Weapon Station (CPWS) combat module produced by the Belgian company Cockerill Maintenance & Ingénierie was installed on the Panhard Crab prototype shown at Eurosatory 2012

Cockerill also offers a double turret armed with 25 - 40 mm. Caliber guns. The image shows the CTAI 40 tower mounted on the Panhard Sphynx prototype.

After the development of the 20 mm remote-controlled turret, Nexter showed its version for the program of the EBRC French Army armed with a CTAI 2012 mm gun in 40.

At Eurosatory 2012, Panhard exhibited its Sphynx with a tower from Lockheed Martin UK. The latter company benefited from the experience gained in the Warrior CSP and Scout SV programs; it offers itself as a system integrator capable of providing a “tower on demand” than a tower manufacturer with a predetermined portfolio. The prototype of the Sphynx tower was created by Lockheed Martin UK and, despite being much smaller than the tower for Scout SV, has many of its elements.

The experience gained during the installation of the CTI 40 mm gun, which has no penetration of the breech into the turret and, therefore, is a very unbalanced tool, was used. A mechanical balancing system was adopted, while electricity was used only for minor adjustments. Processing ammunition is also inherited from the Scout SV, the main cannon has 70 ammunition shells, and the twin machine gun 800 ammunition.

The man-machine interface along with the fire control system is also largely due to the British program. But what really helps to maintain this level of unification while ensuring simple integration of components supplied by government organizations or selected by the user is the electronic architecture developed by Lockheed Martin. She worked a lot on the UK DEF STAN 23-09 standard, defining a new common standard vehicle architecture in order to adopt it for promising British cars.

The Sphynx twin tower has a mass of approximately 3,5 tons in an unprotected version, the protection of the 4 Level raises it to about 4,5 tons, including dual external installations of guided missiles. Lockheed Martin is ready to continue similar work for other software on machines and provide tailored solutions and comprehensive services. The design of the modular tower Lance from Rheinmetall was chosen as the basis of the Lockheed Martin tower adopted for the British program SV.

The chassis of the tower is not identical to the chassis of the Lance tower, which allowed Rheinmetall to gain additional experience in customizing the tower. As for the Lance tower itself: after the delivery of the first two systems installed on Piranha III vehicles acquired by the Spanish marines, two more towers were to be delivered by the end of 2012 of the year. The Lance Tower was installed on the Piranha 5, taking part in the test program of the Canadian melee machine. The development of Lance relies on the program of the German BMP Puma: some of the functions of weapons, as well as the qualification of ABM air explosive ordnance were tested under this program.

Rheinmetall installed the Boxer 8 x 8 on the machine and optimized the Lance tower, this option also passed fire tests. During the development phase of the tower, the test center of the Rheinmetall towers in Gersthofen built a test bench for troubleshooting; it has now turned into a modeling system that can be offered to any potential buyer with active towers.

The open architecture of the wind science tower Lance allows the integration of two different optoelectronic systems (one specifically for the commander), situational awareness systems, sniper detection systems, friend-foe systems, etc. Its protection can be raised to the 4 Level, while the 30 mm Rheinmetall gun can be equipped with the above ABM capabilities. Rheinmetall strengthens its contacts with manufacturers of 8 x 8 chassis, as well as with those countries that are looking for 8 x 8 BMPs.

The company Lockheed Martin UK has become an integrator of the tower thanks to the experience gained in the programs of the Warrior CSP and Scout SV. The picture shows the Panhard Sphynx with this tower at Eurosatory 2012.

The Lance tower, developed by Rheinmetall, is offered in habitable and uninhabited versions. This tower was installed on various wheeled chassis.

Starting with a series of medium-caliber towers Hitfist, the company OTO Melara developed a remote-controlled version, while the specialized version for reconnaissance vehicles (in the photo) was made for Italy

Based on the experience of the Hitfist family of mid-caliber towers, Oto Melara developed a remote-controlled version under the designation Hitfist OWS for installation on lighter machines with a mass close to 10 tons; This layout solution aroused considerable interest among manufacturers of floating machines. The second prototype, shown at Eurosatory 2012, was very close to the serial configuration. The tower is optimized for the installation of 25-mm and 30-mm ATK guns, and the development of such weapons in the direction of firing air-launched munitions increases the combat potential of the Oto Melara tower.

A fully gyro-stabilized ATK MK44 30 mm gun with a digital interface, an 7,62-mm coaxial machine gun and a double rocket launcher, for example for Spike, Cornet or Ingwe, are installed in the turret. The vertical angles of the gun are from -10 ° to + 75 °. The gunner's sight is gyro-stabilized vertically and includes a Gen II thermal imaging camera, a daytime color camera, a laser rangefinder and a backup fiber-optic sight for manual guidance.

The position of the commander can also be equipped with a stabilized panoramic night / day sight or a panoramic thermal imager. The company's philosophy is to provide minimal protection for the gun, mainly from weather factors, crew protection. The 3 level is guaranteed by the standard roof interface (solutions for increasing gun protection to 3 Level, 4 or higher were considered). An optional access hatch may be added to provide the commander with direct visibility.

The second prototype Hitfist OWS is installed on the Freccia BMP, which will be sent to Russia for testing; This special solution allows you to increase the number of paratroopers in the car. The South African branch of BAE Systems presented at the Eurosatory 2010 exhibition a TRT (Tactical Remote Turret) military remote turret armed with a M242 Bushmaster 25 mm gun with the TRT-B25 designation. With a full ammunition consisting of two 130 shots, it weighs only 850 kg, including a 7,62 mm coaxial machine gun with 1000 cartridges, four 76-mm smoke grenade launchers and optoelectronics.

The fully stabilized TRT-B25 turret can fire on the move, it has vertical pointing angles -10 ° / + 65 °. At Africa Aerospace and Defense 2012, BAE Systems showed the second member of its TRT family, the TRT-30, armed with the Russian 30-mm Shipun automatic cannon 2A42. The turret is also armed with an East-European paired 7,62-mm machine gun and can be equipped with anti-tank missiles of the same origin. The tower, remotely controlled by one operator, can receive other guns of calibers 25 - 35 mm.

The new tower takes into account the experience gained and, therefore, the TRT-B25 tower will become one of the TRT-R30 variants in the future. The uniformity between the various models of towers is estimated at 95 percent for electronics and 70 percent for the structural part. A wider cradle was installed in the tower, and the design was modified to accommodate larger masses and greater functionality. The number of finished shots was increased, the TRT-R30MK contains 400 30-mm shots and 1000 machine-gun cartridges, which increased its combat weight to 1435 kg.

The TRT tower was qualified after factory testing, it is currently ready for military testing and subsequent production. The use of two different guns gives BAE Systems greater flexibility and naturally increases the market, since it is possible to install weapons not only from NATO, but also from other countries.

Shown in 2012 year, the 30-mm version of the BAE Systems TRT turret under the TRT-R30 designation is a modernized version of the TRT-B25 armed with the Russian 30-mm 2A42 cannon

BAE Systems Global Combat Systems-Weapons Lemur is currently offered with a M242 25 mm chain gun and a M230LF 30 mm gun, both manufactured by ATK

The Lemur remotely controlled weapons system from BAE Systems Global Combat Systems-Weapons was shown in 2009 year in its new version; she is able to take not only small-caliber weapons, but also 25 and 30 mm guns.

The module was originally offered with the ATK M242 25 mm chain gun, but the ATK M230LF 30 mm gun was subsequently installed. Both configurations have vertical angles from -20 ° to + 55 °. The Lemur module, tested in battles with lighter weapons, still does not have a contract for a medium-caliber configuration.

FNSS showed its Claw tower at IDEF 2011. Armed with an 25-mm Rheinmetall KBA cannon, she can also take 30-mm weapons. Below is the human-machine interface of the Claw tower inside the infantry fighting vehicle.

Tower or combat module?

After the presentation of the prototype in 2009, the Norwegian company Kongsberg continued the development of its mid-caliber remote-controlled tower. Kongsberg emphasizes the fact that its mid-caliber system is not a weapon station, but a tower, because it considers it important to protect the gun not only from ballistic threats, but also from sand and bad weather; ballistic tower defense varies from 1 Level to 5 Level (see first photo).

The new design includes new elements: the cannon is an elongated version of the ATK Mk44 30 mm cannon, firing air-launched ammunition, which must be qualified at the end of 2012. It has a no-feed supply of ammunition, which reduces the loading time and increases reliability; during the shooting over 50000 shells there was not a single jamming. A ringless system is somewhat more expensive than the traditional one, but this is well compensated by the savings from links.

The gun retains the original double feed with a choice of first projectile. The turret allows loading from under the armor and can be armed with 20 - 50 mm calibers, its optoelectronic kit adapts to the armament regarding the target identification range. The company is awaiting the first contract at the end of 2012. In 2011, FNSS showed a new remote controlled tower called Claw. The turret is armed with a double-powered 25-mm Rheinmetall KBA cannon and a paired 7,62-mm machine gun to the right of the cannon, two groups of four 76-mm smoke grenade rigs are installed at the back.

The OMS stabilized in two axes includes an automatic tracking function, while the aiming system is distinguished by an independent stabilized sight with a thermal imager, day camera and laser range finder. The Claw turret has a low silhouette, its height is limited to 590 mm, the ammunition is 160 ready-made shots for the gun and 200 ammunition for the coaxial machine gun. Its mass is 1500 kg in a standard configuration with protection Level 2.

FNSS provides growth potential for its new product, since the Claw turret can accept an 30-mm cannon, an anti-tank turret on the left side, and an independent commander-mounted surveillance sight on the roof, which can be upgraded to 3 level.

The Otokar Mizrak-30 mid-caliber gun developed by Otokar and shown in 2011 is in the final stages of development.

UAB Lemur from BAE Systems

The functional layout of the Otokar Mizrak-30 Dubbed was shown at IDEF 2011 on the Arma 8 x 8. Subsequently, its final prototypes were made, their tests began in the 2012 year, and software refinement is still ongoing.

Mizrak-30 is an advanced turret with independent stabilized commander and gunner sights with automatic tracking function. Both sights include a cooled thermal imaging camera, a CCD camera and a laser range finder. Mizrak prototypes are armed with an 30-mm electromechanical feed gun with elevation angles -10 ° / + 60 °, each feed channel has 104 ready shots.

The turret's modular design allows you to install other types of guns of calibers from 25 to 40 mm, plus anti-tank missiles, a laser receiver, search and attack systems, a multifunctional operational control system, etc. Standard protection is 2 Level, but modular booking kits can upgrade it to 5 Level. Paired 7,62-mm machine gun with 500 cartridges complements the armament.

The combat weight of Mizrak is 2,7 tons. The final operational tests must be completed at the beginning of 2013, the tower will be ready for mass production in the middle of 2013. Otokar company is developing in some variants with different main weapons, as well as the concept of an inhabited tower.
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  1. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 15 May 2013 08: 45 New
    An interesting review.
    The gun from the Ka-50, Ka-52, Ka-29 and Mi-28 on the bourgeois looks very good.
    1. bask
      bask 15 May 2013 09: 07 New
      An interesting article is a review.
      PMDs are installed on many types of armored vehicles. Starting from light, multipurpose armored vehicles, MRAP, BTR, BMP, and MBT.
      What is good about PM, small size, light weight, BC can be placed in the tower.
    2. Canep
      Canep 15 May 2013 09: 37 New
      Quote: Milafon
      The gun from the Ka-50, Ka-52, Ka-29 and Mi-28 on the bourgeois looks very good

      The 2A42 gun was developed for the BMP-2, and only then they began to put it on helicopters.
  2. Mikhado
    Mikhado 15 May 2013 08: 57 New
    An idea that hung in the air and took decades to implement.
    Electronics electronics, but it seems to me that some kind of duplicating just an optical observation channel should be - for the reserve.
    And so, the future has already come.
    1. astra
      astra 15 May 2013 15: 28 New
      Quote: Mikhado
      Electronics electronics, but it seems to me that some kind of duplicating just an optical observation channel should be - for the reserve.

      I’m wondering if the enemy will use electromagnetic bombs that disable any electronic equipment. How will the armored vehicles with uninhabited battle towers show themselves? because surely there is no duplication of firing by the man himself, it turns out that the old bmp, armored personnel carriers with inhabited towers will remain the winner - there the man himself fires.
      1. Joker
        Joker 15 May 2013 17: 33 New
        I now wonder if the enemy will apply elector-magnetic bombs disabling any electronics. How will bontekhnika show itself with uninhabited battle towers?

        I will repeat for the millionth time the answer to your question, all military equipment is now protected from electromagnetic radiation.
        after all, surely there is no duplication of firing by man himself

        comes out winning will remain the old bmp, armored personnel carrier with inhabited towers

        Well, I think your quote is not logical, then it turns out that those who win less electronics will win.
        1. astra
          astra 15 May 2013 21: 18 New
          Quote: Joker
          all military equipment is now protected from EMP. for certain there is probably no duplication of firing by the man himself.

          Thanks for the clarification, reassured))), I will know.
      2. bazilio
        bazilio 15 May 2013 18: 00 New
        Quote: astra
        after all, surely there is no duplication of firing by man himself,

        I thought about the same thing, that it would be nice to add functionally manual guidance of the guidance and shot
        1. astra
          astra 15 May 2013 21: 21 New
          Quote: bazilio
          I thought about the same thing, that it would be nice to add functionally manual guidance of the guidance and shot

          You more accurately expressed my idea, electronics is good, but still, just in case, duplicate manual control. It is interesting in armature will be duplicated by manual control of guidance and shots?
  3. avt
    avt 15 May 2013 09: 40 New
    The review is good, good
    Quote: Mikhado
    Electronics electronics, but it seems to me that some kind of duplicating just an optical observation channel should be - for the reserve.

    Most interesting, for some reason, advanced amers on a modernized Abrams were mounted with a machine gun under the windows and even they prefer to turn their heads behind bulletproof glass in the MRA, which means that not everything is so beautiful and simple as in the pictures from the exhibition.
    1. bask
      bask 15 May 2013 10: 46 New
      Quote: avt
      e, advanced amers on the modernized Abrams for some reason, under the machine gun turret primost

      avf, here I am talking about that. On .... the tank ,, Armata ,, do with an uninhabited tower.?
      Quote: Mikhado
      It means that some kind of duplicating just an optical observation channel should be -

      I agree. hi
  4. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 09: 57 New
    At one time, the idea arose to install a module with a 30 mm cannon on the Namer, and then the command of the ground forces hacked this idea. They say that the strengthening of weapons may cause the commanders to want to use the TBTR as an infantry fighting vehicle, and this does not fit into the concept of using armored vehicles in the IDF. To be honest, it's a pity. The Rafaelevsky, uninhabited module, asks for the Namer.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 15 May 2013 10: 28 New
      Maybe there was simply no money?
      1. bask
        bask 15 May 2013 10: 54 New
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Maybe there was simply no money?

        Are you kidding me? All the finances of the world are in the hands of the Jews!
        It will be more true.
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        does not fit into the concept of using armored vehicles in the IDF. To be honest, it's a pity. Rafaelevsky, uninhabited module, just asks for "

        And so serious BMP-T turned out. They probably believe that MBT ,, Merkava ,, combines both functions. Both MBT and BMP.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 11: 21 New
          Quote: bask

          Are you kidding me? All the finances of the world are in the hands of the Jews!
          who would tell this to our Ministry of Finance. And then, due to the large budget deficit accumulated over the 2011 / 12 years, we have very strong budget cuts for all ministries. For example, in MO on 4bn. שק.
          ] And so serious BMP-T turned out. They probably believe that MBT ,, Merkava ,, combines both functions. Both MBT and BMP.

          no . The troop compartment in the "carrot" is not for the transport of troops, but for the evacuation of crews, both the vehicle itself and from other damaged tanks.
          In general, due to the fact that there are more tank brigades in the IDF than mechanized ones, infantry cannot go without tanks.
          1. bask
            bask 15 May 2013 11: 39 New
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            more than mechanized igadas, infantry without tanks does not go anywhere.

            So I say that carrots are used as BMP-T. + BTR-T, why light BMPs.
            They do not fit into military, doctrine tactics.
            And the caliber is 30 mm, for what. The high-explosive fragmentation effect of such a projectile is 000, and to get into the infantryman is good luck. And the ammunition load, a maximum of 600 shells. For one minute of battle. 120 mm is much more solid, and even with remote detonation.
        2. astra
          astra 16 May 2013 00: 06 New
          Quote: bask
          And so serious BMP-T turned out. They probably believe that MBT ,, Merkava ,, combines both functions. Both MBT and BMP.

          I like the Israeli approach to the safety of soldiers in armored vehicles, albeit due to heavy booking, but it’s safe: anti-mine protection, from RPGs, etc. We should also learn something from the Israelites.
          1. bask
            bask 16 May 2013 01: 22 New
            Quote: astra
            safe: anti-mine protection, against RPG, etc. We should also learn something from the Israelites.

            This is the most important thing, all armored vehicles should be with mine protection. And as protected as possible.
            The bottom of the MBT ,, Merkava ,, v-shaped, with mine protection.
            1. astra
              astra 16 May 2013 01: 39 New
              I agree completely. There are so few who think so. Unfortunately, we can’t save on security. We don’t have much respect for the bitter lessons of Avgan and Chechnya. But the Israelis drew conclusions and created the safest armored personnel carriers and pro. armored vehicles.
              1. bask
                bask 16 May 2013 01: 45 New
                Quote: astra
                I agree completely. There are so few who think so. We cannot save on security unfortunately we have little respect

                I agree with such combat experience and is not taken into account at all.
                I posted above where the downside is that Israel deliberately abandoned the BMP. Because their role is played by MBT ,, Merkava,
                BTR-T ,, ahzarit ,, is maximally protected and accompanies and blocks infantry in an urban battle.
                1. astra
                  astra 16 May 2013 01: 56 New
                  Israel correctly relies on heavy armored personnel carriers and tanks, of course medium ones are also important, but in conditions of, for example, urban battles, we need both heavy beters and tanks, which we don’t regret
                2. astra
                  astra 16 May 2013 02: 14 New
                  Quote: bask
                  I posted above where the minus

                  I always plus you, because I see that your views on strengthening armored vehicles both in armor protection and in increasing caliber and firepower coincide with my views.
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 15 May 2013 12: 32 New
    I wonder why the article does not say a word about the Russian and Belarusian modules, but they are no worse.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 15 May 2013 13: 55 New
      They are simply not normal, it is meant, but what is does not stand up to any criticism. Because before you start designing such a module, you need to have a developed electronics industry and, preferably, your own "Intel".
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 15 May 2013 16: 13 New
        To say that our or Belarusian is not worse, some facts need to be cited ...
        We do not have such modules for sale (you can look at the website of the same tuleks).
        In their army, too, there are no such modules.
        There is the first swallow (it’s not clear what the quality is) on the new SBRM. He is also offered to put on other light equipment.

        There are also hopes that there will be a single module on Karganets-25, Boomerang. They say that the module does not take up space inside the case.
        If we live a year, we will see.
        Belarusian - God knows him. It was stated a couple of times, it didn’t seem to be put anywhere for sale.
        So far, in the territory of the former USSR, only Ukrainians have several. Quality (traditional :-)))) it is not known what, but is - it is a fact. Everywhere they show, they promise to sell :-)

        We are waiting shorter than a year or two.
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 15 May 2013 16: 16 New
        Of course, you don’t know anything about the Bahcha, Cleaver modules, about the Terminator module, take an interest.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          Alexey Prikazchikov 15 May 2013 22: 51 New
          In general, then talk about UNABLE modules.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 16 May 2013 05: 40 New
            Do you even understand what a module is? take an interest before writing.
  6. Sochi
    Sochi 15 May 2013 15: 04 New
    It seems that these modules are good for everyone, but only until the dvigun snorts and turns the generator ... Dvigun gags (damaged, ran out of fuel, or corny stalled) and strained in the war with sockets, and this whole module turns into a very expensive "shelesyaka" with dead electronic stuffing.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 15 May 2013 15: 51 New
      If, as you put it, dvigun will be shitting, then, in principle, any armored vehicles will come to an end very soon. This is an elementary, standing object, even the most armored, just a target.
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 15 May 2013 16: 57 New
        That's exactly the target, it doesn't even make sense to dig in it (an armored pillbox) - the "shelesyaka" does not bother. And if there is at least some manual (duplicate) control, there is still a chance to wrestle, since the caliber is serious, then if you do not destroy the enemy, then you can drive away or keep at a respectful distance, and then you will either be helped or you will fix it ... if you are lucky.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 15 May 2013 16: 16 New
      Well, firstly, the module may have its own battery, and then ... actually a sedentary duck. It may be possible to somehow manually inconveniently and crookedly aim wink
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 15 May 2013 17: 06 New
        Such a fool eats a lot and the battery lasts for 2-3 minutes ... and you're a duck. Manually twist tons and a half, or even more ... you will win a lot. The trouble is that, as a rule, the engine compartment is the least protected in this technique, and the batteries are also in the engine compartment.
  7. Mister X
    Mister X 15 May 2013 17: 26 New
    Bruce Ullis in The Jackal.

    Perhaps this device is the prototype of all remotely controlled combat modules.
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo 15 May 2013 19: 50 New
      Yes, remote turrets appeared just yesterday ... only then at the end of 70's, if not earlier.

      Super Cobra
      1. bask
        bask 15 May 2013 23: 47 New
        Quote: luiswoo
        Well, remote turrets appeared just yesterday ... only then in the late 70s, if not earlier

        Of course before. Even in the 40s.
        Strategic Bomber B-29. The crew of 11 people. Defensive weapons: 10 KP -12.7 mm Browning M2 / ANs in remotely controlled installations.
        1. Somad
          Somad 16 May 2013 10: 53 New
          And on our bombers and transporters mounted turrets with remote control. Specialists in aviation, I think, will confirm ...
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 17 May 2013 22: 25 New
            Quote: Somad
            And on our bombers and transporters mounted turrets with remote control.

            Installation UKU-9K-502 tenth Tu-22M0
  8. bublic82009
    bublic82009 15 May 2013 23: 36 New
    option to import weapons for such old as Georgia. the chassis will be developed from the old Soviet weapons and Israel will deliver weapons
  9. kot11180
    kot11180 16 May 2013 09: 58 New
    the most optimal module is "Bakhcha-u", we don't need to invent anything, we already have