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Syria will finish off Israel and Turkey

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Syria will finish off Israel and TurkeyThe two-year joint attempts of the West and the Arab countries to destroy independent Syria have so far failed. Syrian authorities, supported by the population, are slowly crowding out rebels and Arab mercenaries. NATO military intervention modeled after Libyan blocked by Russian military presence fleet. With the help of the Russian navy, new weapons and ammunition are regularly supplied to Syria. But a lot of money and big resources have been invested in the Syrian project, and the West does not want to back down. Therefore, in order to nevertheless finish off independent Syria and gain a decisive geopolitical advantage for further cleansing the globe in the direction of Iran and Russia, it seems that some time ago it was decided to use other resources and directions - to bring its immediate neighbors to destroy Syria - Turkey and Israel. Turkey is already a springboard for training militants and for supplying them, but this is not enough. Perhaps, an occasion is now being sought for direct Turkish intervention. It will be terrorist attacks or other provocations - it does not matter.


Israel has directly intervened in the Syrian conflict. May 4th night was committed aviation attack on Syria. After that, the Syrian authorities made a number of statements, filed a complaint with the UN and redirected their missiles to Israel, and specifically stated that their launch would be possible even with decentralized management. Syria also asked for help from Russia. Syria and Russia a few years ago, among other contracts, a contract was signed for the supply of Syrian S-300 air defense systems with a radius of about 150 km to Syria, which would reliably block the sky of Syria from air strikes and airstrikes. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on May 10 that Russia would not conclude new contracts with Syria, but would fulfill the old ones.

The next day, on May 11, information appeared that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was urgently traveling to Russia for talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Israeli Prime Minister has repeatedly met with Russian leaders in Moscow. The first time he came to Moscow in the distant 1997 year, where Muscovites remembered being late for his wife Sarah to a reception at the then head of the Russian government, Viktor Chernomyrdin, as well as an unusual request to him - to mention during the ceremonial performance of his wife Netanyahu’s development Russian-Israeli relations. I do not think that Russian politicians and diplomats after all this began to consider Benjamin Netanyahu an independent and strong-willed politician.
After that, Netanyahu repeatedly visited Moscow. In September 2009, he secretly flew to Moscow to meet with D.A. Medvedev, and in February 2010, the Israeli Prime Minister again visited the Russian capital and held meetings as with V.V. Putin and D.A. Medvedev. Also, a brief, one-day visit by the Israeli Prime Minister to Moscow took place on March 24, 2011. He was nearly canceled due to a big terrorist attack in Jerusalem. All these visits by Netanyahu also did not lead to any Russian-Israeli joint actions, either in politics or in the economy. Some of the consequences of these visits can be considered cancellations or delays in the supply of Russian weapons to Syria and Iran. By canceling these supplies, Russia did not receive anything substantial in return from Israel.

Now, as soon as the real possibility of resuming the supply of the C-300 system to Syria arose, Benjamin Netanyahu again goes to Moscow. But now the geopolitical situation has changed in comparison with previous years. Both Israel and Russia to a greater extent than before are involved in the Syrian conflict. And, if Israel’s real goal is to destroy Syria as an independent and sovereign state by military means, using its aircraft - the strongest in the region and fifth in terms of strike power in the world, then Russia’s goal is to stabilize the situation in Syria and reliably protect its ally, the President of Syria Bashar al-Assad and his power.
In order to reliably protect Syria from possible air raids and airstrikes, the likelihood of which increased after the 4 attack on Syria in May, Russia has to urgently supply air defense systems to Syria. Rejection of these supplies means for Russia a real betrayal of its ally and wasted huge resources, the unnecessary basing of the majority of the Russian fleet off the coast of Syria. All this, all these efforts of Russia will be in vain after several bombings of Israeli aircraft on cities and military facilities in Syria.

What can a person who, in 2011, at the forum of the G-20 countries, the leaders of two great powers - the USA and France, Barack Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy called a liar - can offer Russia on behalf of Israel? Nothing. Natural gas in the Mediterranean? A few high-tech hi-tech chips? Two week rest in Eilat? This all costs nothing. He goes to Russia empty and will try to cheat and deceive.
On the same Israeli website, on which information about his visit to Moscow hangs, other information hangs, about the same person: “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in response to a message that his desire to install a double bed in the plane cost the taxpayer in half a million shekels, he did not know about the high cost of such a wish. Netanyahu also ordered not to install a sleeping compartment on the plane. According to the Israeli TV channel 10, the Office of the Head of Government demanded that a special sleeping compartment with a double bed be installed on the plane on which Benjamin Netanyahu and his wife flew to Margaret Thatcher’s funeral in London. This increased the cost of flying by almost half a million shekels. Expenses were paid from the state treasury. ”

The man who wants to destroy Syria under the nose of Russia, in order to attack Iran later, does not know how much an individual re-equipment of his personal aircraft costs for installation in the cabin of a double bed. Or pretends not to know. He has nothing to offer Russia. But he really wants to finish off Syria, then to attack Iran.

Should Russia help him in this, should Russia risk its fleet, its specialists now in Syria, should Russia lose its geopolitical ally in the Middle East and risk losing another global ally - Iran, without receiving anything in return geopolitical defeat and “loss of face” is the issue that will be discussed at these negotiations. Now, in the face of a new combined aggression against Syria, the price of supplying C-300 air defense systems to Syria is the price of a great geopolitical loss and defeat of Russia's entire foreign policy. What decision the Russian authorities will take, whether they will want to suffer defeat from the united coalition of the West, the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf, Turkey and Israel, or will they leave their national and geopolitical interests in Syria, we will find out this week.
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  1. Ak 12
    Ak 12 13 May 2013 15: 45
    42
    In order to save Syria, Russia needs:
    1 Benjamin Netanyahu sent in three letters in a place with the USA
    2 Deliver the Ultimatum to Israel
    3 in place with with 300 send tanks there
    1. Kuzkin Batyan
      Kuzkin Batyan 13 May 2013 15: 52
      15
      This is not serious! (with)
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 13 May 2013 17: 21
        29
        But.


        Turkish F-16 fighter crashed on the border with Syria. It is reported by the BBC with reference to local media.

        Earlier, the Turkish military command reported the loss of communication with the F-16, which was flying in the south of the country. According to the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet, the pilot managed to shout to the controllers "I'm jumping!" before the plane disappeared from radar.

        top.rbc.ru

        Our operators drove the Syrians away from the air defense control panel and locked themselves in the gearbox? repeat
        1. Yun Klob
          Yun Klob 13 May 2013 23: 31
          0
          +++++ great laughing
        2. Dnepropetrovsk
          Dnepropetrovsk 13 May 2013 23: 53
          +3
          Syria will live!
          1. 120352
            120352 14 May 2013 00: 49
            10
            Syria for us today is Spain in 1936. Let’s surrender Syria, we’ll get in big trouble.
        3. politruk419
          politruk419 14 May 2013 06: 06
          +1
          Yes, no, just the Turks brought the elderly F-16 to a state of flying trash.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 13 May 2013 18: 33
        +6
        "Israel and Turkey will finish off Syria"

        There is less doubt ....... An interesting situevina looms! Let's see what happens next!
        1. max73
          max73 13 May 2013 18: 39
          +5
          I agree, comrade! otherwise why would the Jews with the Anglo-Saxons become more active? even ,, visited Sochi) ... and about the S-300 they blow at every step ...
        2. Nick
          Nick 13 May 2013 22: 45
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          An interesting situevina looms! Let's see what happens next!

          Apparently, the escalation of the conflict will continue. God knows what line it will stop at ... If great powers enter into a direct conflict over Syria, I mean Russia and China, on the one hand, and the USA + EU countries, on the other hand, it can lead to a heated global conflict .. .
        3. Dnepropetrovsk
          Dnepropetrovsk 14 May 2013 00: 33
          +3
          Germany pays compensation to Israel every year, so they bomb.
          1. Nick
            Nick 15 May 2013 21: 18
            +1
            Quote: Dnepropetrovsk
            Germany pays compensation to Israel every year, so they bomb.


            Here are the hit ones. When the Second World War was going on, Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusian regions lay in ruins, millions of citizens died, and Israel receives compensation, which at that time did not even exist.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 15 May 2013 21: 24
              -1
              We are already tired of explaining to you that the state of Israel does not receive anything. Payments from Germany are received only by those who were in the ghetto, concentration camps and hard labor. In each case, Germany carried out or carried out an earlier audit. Israel only represented these victims of Nazism in the negotiations.
              1. SEA
                SEA 16 May 2013 08: 57
                +1
                Those who were in the ghetto, concentration camps and hard labor agreed to receive compensation by two German submarines? You tie tales to tell.
                1. vit24
                  vit24 17 May 2013 23: 42
                  0
                  The Germans presented the first submarine, sold the second at half price, threw off the VAT on the third, and the fourth, fifth and sixth Israelis bought at full cost and not on credit, like your Arab friends. Learn to do business. hi
                  1. SEA
                    SEA 18 May 2013 08: 26
                    0
                    Gave it? And more precisely?
                    Well what can I say?
                    One Jew convicted another of a lie.
                    Well done.
                    Continue to trade in the carcasses of your fellow tribesmen.
        4. revnagan
          revnagan 14 May 2013 15: 31
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          "Israel and Turkey will finish off Syria"

          Urgently, urgently to organize another "Peace Flotilla" and send it from Turkey to Palestine.
      3. starshina78
        starshina78 13 May 2013 20: 10
        +5
        Why not serious? What to write a note (of course not to send in three letters, but to express your indignation) is an ultimatum too, but to hint to Israel that Russia will no longer restrain Palestine in its desire to gain freedom of its ancestral territories by any means, and send ships with S - 300 complexes, and other modern weapons - is this not serious? This is precisely the serious approach to business. And then something Israel and the USA began to feel themselves too arrogant. There is one more hassle. The inner fifth column is those who sing to the American pipe, they can raise their heads and begin to bark to the whole world. First of all, you need to tighten their tail. And take action.
        1. folds
          folds 14 May 2013 16: 25
          0
          First of all, you need to tighten their tail
          in any case, you need to tighten their tail. Preferably in a vice :)
      4. politruk419
        politruk419 14 May 2013 06: 04
        0
        No need tanks. One needs a special forces battalion or one of the Kadyrov’s battalions to ensure reliable protection of S-300 mobile systems. For without mobility they will not last long either. Well, and special equipment for them. A T-72 in the ATS and its abound.
    2. svp67
      svp67 13 May 2013 15: 55
      21
      Quote: Ak 12
      In order to save Syria, Russia needs:

      By all means isolate Syria from unfriendly influence ... And our С300 can contribute to this in many ways.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 13 May 2013 16: 07
        22
        Quote: svp67
        By all means isolate Syria from unfriendly influence ... And our С300 can contribute to this in many ways.

        NATO countries are clearly reluctant to get involved in the Syrian nightmare themselves. At the same time, in the case of the deployment of a Turkish or Israeli operation, it should be expected that the Turks and Israelis will at least provide assistance in the field of logistics and intelligence gathering.
        Turkey and Israel will need an "iron international alibi" to justify invading Syria. In this sense, one cannot count on the UN - any anti-Syrian resolution will be blocked by Russia and China. So you need to wait for a banal provocation, for which the United States and their "friends" are very skilled ... yes
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 17
          +3
          At the same time, in the case of the deployment of a Turkish or Israeli operation, it should be expected that the Turks and Israelis will at least provide assistance in the field of logistics and intelligence gathering.

          It is very unlikely that Turkey, which is positioning itself as the leader of the Islamic world, will decide on a joint military operation with Israel against a Muslim country. She is not much understood in BV.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 13 May 2013 16: 28
            20
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            It is highly unlikely that Turkey, which positions itself as the leader of the Islamic world,

            Suffice it to recall the phrase of Turkish Prime Minister R. Erdogan, said at a meeting of the party he heads on May 5, 2013: “If Allah wills, we will see how this butcher, this killer will get what he deserves in this world ... and we we will thank (Allah) for this. " Erdogan's "pleasing to Allah" curses were addressed to the lawfully elected President of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, and were unlikely to have been uttered by chance on the eve of the Turkish delegation's trip to Israel. Just hours after Israel launched missile attacks on Syria. All the posturing in positioning the "leader" goes to pieces ..
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 13 May 2013 16: 43
              -2
              Not really. There everything shifted to the plane of religious conflict, radical moods were very aggravated. Shiites and Alawites against the Sunnis. Turks are not trying to embrace the entire Islamic world as a whole. Their main goal is the Sunnis.
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                1. krasin
                  krasin 13 May 2013 22: 15
                  +5
                  On May 8, Prime Minister of the State Council of China Li Keqiang held talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the House of People’s Assembly. The Chinese explained to Netanyahu very simply and intelligibly that Israel must end the occupation of Palestine and not touch Syria.
                  On the one hand, Russia on the other, China and where to go to a poor Jew, what to do ?? !!
                2. lev1759
                  lev1759 13 May 2013 23: 13
                  +4
                  He will offer us to refuse the supply of S-300 to Syria, in exchange for "a good attitude towards us." Because the Jews really cannot offer us anything more substantial. They chose the Australians as partners for the development of gas fields.
                3. smirnov
                  smirnov 14 May 2013 00: 33
                  +3
                  It is unlikely that they will answer you, it is not customary for this nation to answer uncomfortable questions ...
                4. Rink
                  Rink 14 May 2013 13: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Rustiger
                  .... For some such a bastard to burst into Russia (on the bed?) This embittered "plowman-trakhar" Benya netanyahu.y? Again the brain to float?

                  No, show off your little IQ to the world.
                  Would be smarter - would not go.

                  This moron Netanyahu, with delusions of grandeur. Kerry and Cameron just rode back in disgrace. But Benya decided that he would come and put Putin on his knees. Like say a few words, and Russia will immediately precipitate.

                  Oh well..
                  Let him go, maybe he will understand a little what he really is.
                  1. Rink
                    Rink 14 May 2013 13: 39
                    +1
                    In confirmation - even the famous Russophobe Brzezinski believes that "the invasion of Syria will only worsen everything." http://mixednews.ru/archives/36023 According to him, for the United States, "The only solution is to seek support from Russia and China in the UN-organized elections, in which, with a good coincidence, Assad will be able to" persuade "not to participate."

                    Although he is a rare bastard, but not.
                    Unlike the moron Bibi, Brzezinski understands the situation better ...
                  2. Rink
                    Rink 15 May 2013 10: 25
                    +1
                    Well, Benya went to Sochi ... so what?
                    He came back slightly unsandered.

                    Now, Ban Ki-moon is picking up on his portion: May 16-19 wants to get an appointment with Lavrov (not Putin! Thinks that Lavrov is softer and more suggestible?)
                    Oh well...

                    I think Lavrov will remind him of both the UN Charter, and what role he should play in this organization, and why the UN was actually created. And then this secretary general behaves like the fourth secretary of the State Department.
                    1. Rink
                      Rink 15 May 2013 13: 27
                      +1
                      An interesting chronological review of the events of recent weeks around Syria:
                      http://telegrafist.org/2013/05/13/56052/

                      It seems that the Israeli strike on Damascus is just a panic.
                      They will not be able to look into Assad’s eyes, so they need to remove him at all costs, even if violating absolutely all international laws.

                      In this light, it is interesting to use the upcoming visit of Ban Ki-moon tomorrow or the day after tomorrow to Lavrov in Moscow: a convenient occasion to ask the UN Secretary General leading questions about how the UN is going to respond to violations of the UN charters and international law by Israel?
                      I think there will be many votes "for" another flogging of Israel, as in the case of the UN recognition of the status of Palestine.
                      By the way, Israel did not comply with those UN decisions and did not liberate the Palestinian lands. Not only that, he occupied new ones - a good moment for the UN, and this is also to recall Netanyahu.
              2. Day 11
                Day 11 13 May 2013 17: 32
                +9
                Eugene, in principle, I also thought the same, but dear Alibek convinced me that there is still not an inter-confessional war. There is something else and you know this very well!
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 14 May 2013 00: 44
                  -1
                  Alibek has his own biases. And the reality is that this civil war, which began as ordinary secular speeches against the government, gradually shifted to the zone of religious conflict. The situation is similar to Iraq - the minority rules the majority, and the majority is bored at some point. Only there the Sunnis ruled.
                  Now, local Sunnis are fighting on one side, abundantly seasoned with money and militants of the radical Sunni international (here you have the sponsorship of Qatar with the Saudis, and wealthy private sponsors who give money to jihad), and on the other hand, the Alawites, who are supported by the radical Shishites from Hezbollah and IRGC.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 May 2013 09: 53
                    +7
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Alibek has his own biases.

                    Dear Eugene!
                    Let's decide what you call prejudices ??
                    How many so-called Shiites and Sunnis in the world ??
                    Why if they so hate each other still haven't cut each other out !!
                    Millions live and pray together in the same mosques!
                    In my country in Iraq, in Turkey, millions dare to become relatives!
                    Wherever I saw enmity between them, there was a question of clanism or incitement of illiterate people!
                    Especially in Pakistan and Iraq!
                    For some reason, the world and Israeli media write only about hostility of a handful of illiterate people !!
                    So that the whole world thinks that they hate each other !!
                    To even more killed each other!
                    There is no difference between Shiites and Sunnis, they want to develop this discord artificially!
                    Shiites recognize the Sunnah of the prophet, and Sunites honor the family of the prophet!
                    Come to us or to Turkey and see how people live and chat with each other !!
                    Another issue is the Wahhabi Shaitanists who are trying to impersonate the Sunnis!
                    Quote: Pimply
                    Now on one side are local Sunnis fighting

                    to put it mildly, not exactly and not true!
                    On the side of Assad, the Sunnis are fighting and there are many of them !!
                    Iran helps Syria not because of the Shiites, but because of political necessity !!
                    90 percent of Shiites are in Azerbaijan, and in our war, Iran, trying to prove neutral, helped and is helping Armenia economically!
                    Even supplied weapons after the war of Armenia !!
                    Why didn't the IRGC help the faith brothers with 100 percent Shiites ??
                    Why only in 2010 did Ayatollah Khameniya issue a fatwa that Karabakh is the land of Muslims ??
                    and what all sorts of Muslim affairs with the occupants of the haram ??
                    What prevented him from doing this for 15 years ??
                    Despite this, Iran continues to support Armenia in politics and economics!
                    In Iran, the politics are not Islamic, but nationalist !!
                    I think you know these questions better than you, I come across more of you!
                    with sincere respect!
                    1. _Siberian_
                      14 May 2013 10: 06
                      +3
                      I fully agree and always argued on this subject that such strife was artificially born and inflated to those who benefit, cynical animals who spit on morality for the sake of petrodollars!
              3. tomket
                tomket 13 May 2013 18: 09
                +2
                the question is, does a pro-Russian lobby exist in Israel, and if so, what is its influence? I mean, if Russia makes concessions, for example, what will be the return on the Russian-speaking population
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 13 May 2013 18: 15
                  +5
                  Every man for himself! stop Nobody wants to lose a job!
                2. skeptic-
                  skeptic- 14 May 2013 10: 54
                  0
                  Quote: tomket
                  the question is, does a pro-Russian lobby exist in Israel, and if so, what is its influence? I mean, if Russia makes concessions, for example, what will be the return on the Russian-speaking population


                  You can judge, even by this forum. Read their comments and it will become clear to you, without further ado.
              4. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 14 May 2013 00: 24
                +1
                Damn, as I’m already tired of my calculations. Not so long ago, the passports of Europeans who were unlucky to be a revolutionary were handed over, And what the hell are these.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 14 May 2013 00: 37
                  +2
                  Did you write this to me, Igor Borov775? What are you talking about? I think I wrote above that the war there is somehow NOT inter-religious! Read carefully and try to think! And by the way, I’m not a brudershaft with you thumped
              5. skeptic-
                skeptic- 14 May 2013 10: 44
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                There everything shifted to the plane of religious conflict, radical moods were very aggravated. Shiites and Alawites against the Sunnis. Turks are not trying to embrace the entire Islamic world as a whole. Their main goal is the Sunnis.


                Everything is much simpler. The party (USA) said it is necessary - the Komsomol (Israel, Turkey) replied - yes. And religious bells and whistles, no more than a disguise. request
            2. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 50
              -4
              It is enough to recall the phrase of the Prime Minister of Turkey R. Erdogan, said at a meeting of the party he leads on May 5, 2013:


              I think they wrote this speech to him in advance, even before the Israeli strike, when the topic of the Banias massacre was on the front pages of the media.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 13 May 2013 16: 36
            14
            Quote Tourist Breakfast:
            It is very unlikely that Turkey, which is positioning itself as the leader of the Islamic world, will decide on a joint military operation with Israel against a Muslim country. She is not much understood in BV.
            To share the carcasses of defeated chamois, lions and hyenas and jackals come running ...
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 51
              +1
              To share the carcasses of defeated chamois, lions and hyenas and jackals come running ...


              I don’t believe it anyway. Erdogan will then end as a national leader.
              1. AlexW
                AlexW 13 May 2013 19: 27
                11
                Erdogan will then end as a national leader.
                IMHO, it never started. He so wants to be a national leader, moreover, a leader in the Islamic world ... but his authority in Turkey is rapidly falling, in the army he is generally hated. A couple more punctures and he will go "driven by the wind." Will abut - "Turkish spring" at any time of the year.
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 13 May 2013 19: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: AlexW
                  but his authority in Turkey is rapidly declining

                  Not true, their party is very successful in the country's economy
                  1. Geisenberg
                    Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: ayyildiz
                    Quote: AlexW
                    but his authority in Turkey is rapidly declining

                    Not true, their party is very successful in the country's economy


                    Where does the data come from? from foreign sites?
                    1. ayyildiz
                      ayyildiz 14 May 2013 00: 09
                      +2
                      Data from Turkey itself!
                  2. politruk419
                    politruk419 14 May 2013 06: 16
                    +1
                    True, there are successes.
                    But, traditionally for the East, they do not have such an impact on the attitude to the authorities as successes in foreign and domestic politics (in the power component).
                    And by the way, even Erdogan’s supporters agree that youth unemployment is growing, amid growing macroeconomic indicators and improving the foreign trade balance.
                    Not everything is so rosy among the Ottomans ....
                2. lev1759
                  lev1759 13 May 2013 23: 17
                  +2
                  Against the war with Syria are the military, as well as those who supported the Erdogan election - the Turkish Alawites.
              2. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 01
                0
                Quote: Tourist Breakfast
                I don’t believe it anyway. Erdogan will then end as a national leader.


                But fortunately your faith is not required. Erdogan will end only if he loses the election, and until then he will swing the hammer over his head ...
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 13 May 2013 16: 53
              0
              How quickly minus !!!
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 13 May 2013 16: 42
            -5
            Very much. Especially given the last few years, when Turkey is in a very tough conflict with Israel
            1. AlexW
              AlexW 13 May 2013 19: 28
              +5
              IMHO - imitation of conflict.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 14 May 2013 00: 46
                +3
                Not imitation, nor how much. Erdogan is the head of the Islamist party. He deliberately went into conflict with Israel for the past few years. The Turks heard that Europe would not let them in, and turned to face the Arabs. Plus, neototman motifs flourished in lush color.
            2. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 14 May 2013 00: 31
              0
              No need to splurge, That autumn time has long ended to mutual relief, Now everything is fine and there is no need to feed everyone with fables
          4. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 13 May 2013 23: 59
            +2
            Quote: Tourist Breakfast
            It is very unlikely that Turkey, which is positioning itself as the leader of the Islamic world, will decide on a joint military operation with Israel against a Muslim country. She is not much understood in BV.


            Erdogan, in order to rise, will enter into an alliance even with a member of Nitanyahu, directly in oral form, not to mention a temporary military alliance with Israel ... Soberly it is necessary to evaluate the scum rushing to power at all costs.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 14 May 2013 00: 47
              0
              It won’t work. Too much will be lost on the conflict.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 May 2013 13: 09
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                It won’t work. Too much will be lost on the conflict.

                and what did he get?))))))))))))))
                Do not make people laugh!
                Turkey has always had authority in the Arab world and Erdogan hasn’t changed anything !!
                the leaders of the Arab countries treated Turkey with caution and try to be at a distance!
          5. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 14 May 2013 05: 30
            0
            Or vice versa will become an example for other countries.
          6. DimYang
            DimYang 14 May 2013 11: 32
            +3
            Turks do not "like" Arabs too much. And they have common interests with the Saudis. And the Saudis, although Arabs, but as they say, but not the same. For religious and mostly economic reasons.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 13 May 2013 18: 37
          11
          Quote: Tersky
          Turkey and Israel will need an "iron international alibi" to justify the invasion of Syria.

          Hello! What alibi? An iron motive is needed! First, shells fell on the territory of Turkey, then an explosion killed 46 people who know what will happen tomorrow.
          And they put the device on the UN for a long time.
          Quote: Tersky
          So you need to wait for a banal provocation, for which the USA and their "friends" are very skilled ... yes

          That's for sure! 11 of September what only costs ....... hi
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 May 2013 13: 13
            +1
            Quote: nycsson
            Hello! What alibi? An iron motive is needed!

            there were dozens of reasons and the western media would have turned on !!
            One plane incident was worth it !!
            The question is different, Erdogan is afraid of his army!
            Afraid that they will set him up!
            Laurels will win the military, there will be big losses - Erdogan is guilty, he beheaded the army!))))))
      2. elmir15
        elmir15 13 May 2013 17: 16
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        By all means isolate Syria from unfriendly influence ... And our С300 can contribute to this in many ways.

        With Iskanders
    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 13 May 2013 16: 02
      +6
      Quote: Ak 12
      In order to save Syria, Russia needs:
      1 Benjamin Netanyahu sent in three letters in a place with the USA
      2 Deliver the Ultimatum to Israel
      3 in place with with 300 send tanks there


      I do not believe (c) Stanislavsky.
      However, according to the first, I completely agree that Putin and Lavrov are actually making diplomatic language, while the Navy is actually implementing it.
    4. djon3volta
      djon3volta 13 May 2013 16: 18
      27
      Quote: Ak 12
      In order to save Syria, Russia needs:

      and imagine if Putin will pay an official visit to Syria and conclude a contract for the supply of 250 armored personnel carriers, 120 T-90,15 SU-34s, one submarine, and so on the little things, can you imagine what will happen? but paranoiacs like Makein are sitting in Congress, they don’t care, their brains got knocked back in Vietnam, and the president is no better!
      1. Manager
        Manager 13 May 2013 16: 36
        11
        Quote: djon3volta
        I think the United States will officially declare war on Russia!


        When we were much weaker, they did not announce. And now they will not announce.
        And about the supply of weapons, etc., do you think the United States does not know what and how much we supply there? It’s just that we supply Syria and possibly for free, while the USA supplies the militants for money. As a result, everything will be tested and weapons, and someone will cut down the money. Everything is as usual shorter. To whom the war is to whom the mother is dear.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 May 2013 16: 45
          0
          I wonder why everyone thinks that the United States is really driving something there right now? They are in a carriage, whose horses they carried, and the carts fell somewhere down. The US is trying to grab them, but the point is zero. There now, Qatar and the Saudis, as well as wealthy private sponsors giving grandmas for jihad, rule everything. Europeans yet.
          1. mogus
            mogus 13 May 2013 17: 01
            16
            hi
            and who rules Qatar and the Saudis ..? Wealthy sponsors are also manageable ... Europeans act like everyone else. IMHO
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 14 May 2013 00: 53
              +1
              For some reason, you are firmly convinced that the Saudis and Qatar are so easily governed. This is you in vain. They have their own plans, their own strategy, their own influence and their own goals. The comrade from Qatar is very ambitious despite the size of his country. The most popular TV channel in the Arab world - "Al-Jazeera" - is his. Yes, the States have influence over both. But both of them also have an impact on the United States: only gigantic amounts of weapons purchases and oil and gas reserves are worth what.
              1. mogus
                mogus 14 May 2013 03: 02
                0
                the most concentrated projection of US forces is in the territories of the CA, Qatarsev - you won’t act especially independently ...
                But if the United States loses power, then their satellites (with ambition) get out of control.
                But maybe you know better, you better know the features of that area.
          2. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 14 May 2013 00: 36
            0
            Without the approval of the Yankees, everything would have stalled for a long time, And don’t need to get puffed up depicting that Qatar itself brewed it all
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 14 May 2013 01: 35
              0
              The Yankees are twitching so as not to lose ground. You do not understand - people and countries are not as puppets as they seem. Yes, some have more influence than others. AND? Do you think independent ambitions disappear from this somewhere? Qatar is the richest country with huge reserves of oil and gas. And with incredible ambitions. The current ruler once overthrew the pope, controls the most famous Arab television channel, and pursues its own interests. Sometimes they coincide with the American ones, but very often they don’t.
      2. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 13 May 2013 18: 14
        0
        very offensive for the Americans, there must be a picture)))))) But I amused with all my heart)))
      3. Rink
        Rink 13 May 2013 21: 25
        +2
        Thanks so much for the picture!
        Etta five!
      4. Revolver
        Revolver 14 May 2013 04: 56
        +4
        Quote: djon3volta
        ... if Putin arrives in Syria on an official visit? and concludes a contract for the supply of 250 armored personnel carriers, 120 T-90,15 SU-34s, one nuclear submarine, and so on the little things, you can imagine what will happen ...

        I will answer the points.
        1. Will not arrive. GDP will not be substituted for shelling or bombs of stoned martyrs, even if the probability is not high. Russia is on it, he has no right to risk himself for the sake of some Arabs.
        2. The contract can be signed without leaving the Kremlin. But where to get all this? There are not enough T-90s for their units, they serve in old fashion. Well, let's say to crush the bandits (oh, sorry, fighters for freedom and crap) and used T-72 will be enough. The old armored personnel carriers will also come off. Su-34 serial only 27 built, so, more than half of Assad to give? And even if used Rooks (SU-25) are not a pity? Assad is a beggar, to write off debts again, how did they write off his father's billions of Soviet ones? In America, this is called "throw good money after bad" - in the sense of continuing to invest in a deliberately unprofitable business, if someone cannot translate it himself.
        3. How to deliver it? When they built the Mistral, they put their BDKs on needles. And as for transport aviation - this way the Turks will not give a corridor.
        4. Who will fly-ride-walk on this? The submarines are not rowing yal, the Arabs from the Chernobyl reactor will arrange in zero seconds. Or the Jews will capture everything, maybe even intact and with documentation, as in 1967.
        5. But thanks for the picture, he smiled. Sent to friends - appreciated. Here ours loves this liberalist Obama no more than he deserves.
        1. Rink
          Rink 14 May 2013 12: 58
          +4
          Quote: Nagan
          2. The contract can be signed without leaving the Kremlin. But where to get all this? ....... Assad is a beggar, to write off his debts again. In America, this is called "throw good money after bad" - in the sense of continuing to invest in a deliberately unprofitable business, if someone cannot translate it himself.
          3. How to deliver it? ...

          You write logical things. In terms of Western mentality. And if Russia were America, then probably everything would be so, as you predict.

          But there is a "but": Russia is not America, and Russians have always found non-standard solutions to "unsolvable" problems, and sought the "impossible" from the point of view of Western civilization.

          And therefore, in order not to get into a mess, I recommend somewhat lowering the categoricalness of the statements, otherwise after a couple of "surprises" from the Russians, you may start looking, how can I put it mildly? .. funny.

          Have patience - you will see everything.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 14 May 2013 13: 09
            +2
            Here is the answer of the Russian man! Neh th we measure Western values. We have our own mentality and I hope that we will never become like them (spiritually)
      5. Nvalexandr
        Nvalexandr 14 May 2013 07: 53
        +1
        laughing laughing laughing In pleased. All is correct. But nevertheless, gently, somehow our authorities react to such a gimmick. Libya just so ... fell. We need specificity, rigidity, confidence.
    5. Canep
      Canep 13 May 2013 16: 35
      19
      Quote: Ak 12
      3 in place with with 300 send tanks there

      Better than the 2 Airborne Division, and the 2 of August to give them leave for Haifa.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 May 2013 16: 40
        +6
        Quote: Canep
        Better than the 2 Airborne Division, and the 2 of August to give them leave for Haifa.

        Better a special task force brigade, for "internship" and with quarterly rotation ...
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 13 May 2013 16: 46
        11
        Taking into account the number of former Soviet and Russian paratroopers in Haifa, they will sniff.
      3. Larus
        Larus 13 May 2013 17: 49
        +9
        No need to send anyone there at this stage, well, if only advisers and specialists. There are enough weapons, and Assad has people and they are not intimidated, like in Libya and fight for their freedom with weapons in their hands.
        In general, it would be time for Iran to sell air defense systems and so on for a trifle to sell from warehouses, so that shit would drip diarrhea from the democratizers.
      4. DimaA3678
        DimaA3678 13 May 2013 19: 56
        18 th
        and sho these striped teletubbies will do here? there are few fountains laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 13 May 2013 21: 55
          +3
          Quote: DimaA3678
          and sho these striped teletubbies will do here? there are few fountains

          At the last concert of Shevchuk, the floor of the hall was in vests (of course, part of Mitka) but nonetheless.
        2. YuDDP
          YuDDP 13 May 2013 22: 30
          +4
          Quote: DimaA3678
          there are few fountains

          in the Baha'i garden they are lying on the grass ...
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 03
          +5
          Quote: DimaA3678
          and sho these striped teletubbies will do here? there are few fountains laughing


          Genetics will be corrected ...
    6. Day 11
      Day 11 13 May 2013 17: 28
      +1
      Kindergarten --- with them it will not roll
    7. zvereok
      zvereok 13 May 2013 17: 52
      +6
      Quote: Ak 12
      3 in place with with 300 send tanks there



      In order to preserve Syria, guarantees are needed that, in the event of a collapse of Iran, they stand up for them, and our troops have nothing to do there - difficulties with supplies, etc. But C-300, when Iran entered the war, gives chances to break the teeth of the Jews.
      1. vit24
        vit24 13 May 2013 23: 20
        -6
        The Israelis have already practiced actions against the C 300.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 04
          +3
          Quote: vit24
          The Israelis have already practiced actions against the C 300.


          In the direction of paradise? Yes it is as much as you like.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 14 May 2013 00: 58
            +4
            Well no. In the direction of Greece. The Greeks purchased the systems, and Israel conducted teachings with the Greeks.
            1. Rink
              Rink 14 May 2013 13: 27
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              .... The Greeks purchased the system, and Israel conducted teachings with the Greeks.

              Well, actually, slightly simplified systems are always exported, and the C300 in the export version is a little bit, but still a different system. In addition, it is not all the same to whom the weapon is given: another "warrior" takes the rifle by the barrel and wields it like a club. But does this mean that the rifle is bad? ...
        2. piotr534
          piotr534 14 May 2013 02: 04
          +3
          The Israelis have already practiced actions against the C 300.
          You will tell us here that the Israelis can fly over the S-300, as if they were not there at all. It will be enough if they bring down through one. And after the first shot down, I would like to look at your high morale !!!
        3. Nvalexandr
          Nvalexandr 14 May 2013 07: 59
          +1
          with 300 perfectly overcomes all actions and counteractions of Israel yes
        4. stroporez
          stroporez 14 May 2013 13: 39
          +1
          Quote: vit24
          The Israelis have already practiced actions against the C 300.

          Well, so Nitanyakh went to Moscow from his own stupidity and cowardice !! ??? means not quite "fine" ...................
          1. Rink
            Rink 14 May 2013 16: 42
            0
            Quote: stroporez
            Well, so Nitanyakh went to Moscow from his own stupidity and cowardice !! ??? means not quite "fine" ...................

            Not just popped, but flew with a bullet, on half-bent! ...
            To beg and bargain.
    8. alex21411
      alex21411 13 May 2013 18: 05
      +5
      URGENT NEWS !!! On the border with Syria, the Turkish military lost contact with the fighter ...
    9. nycsson
      nycsson 13 May 2013 18: 31
      11 th
      Quote: Ak 12
      Benjamin Netanyahu sent in three letters in a place with the USA

      Who sends hosts in three letters?
      Quote: Ak 12
      Deliver the Ultimatum to Israel

      Similarly.
      Quote: Ak 12
      in place with from 300 send tanks there

      Our tanks? Do not make me laugh. Our RF Armed Forces are no longer capable of this.
      1. Rink
        Rink 14 May 2013 16: 58
        0
        Quote: nycsson
        Who sends hosts in three letters?

        Well ...
        If for you they are masters, then by itself, you will lick bots to them. Send them where it should be - not Senka hat.

        And to send the real peasants of your masters - like two fingers! ...
        it’s they only at their owners in the chicken coop.
        For example, this Wednesday, McFaul will be put in the Kremlin as a cancer for a hot CIA staff member, Fogl Ryan Christopher, while trying to recruit a Russian intelligence officer.
        So that your hosts do not host much.

        Good week! Kerry was already fooling back, Cameron looks the same. Benya came for his portion.

        Aren't you tired of licking their shoes?

        PS The old Russian saying that Russia has two problems, it seems to me, was understood absolutely wrong. Roads, of course, ours, domestic. But fools, it seems, only strangers do not give us life.
        McFaul, Netoniyahu, Hollande .... Damn! all floated to the surface ... starting with Bush.
    10. Atlon
      Atlon 13 May 2013 18: 35
      22
      Quote: Ak 12
      In order to save Syria, Russia needs:
      1 Benjamin Netanyahu sent in three letters in a place with the USA
      2 Deliver the Ultimatum to Israel
      3 in place with with 300 send tanks there

      1. Done!
      2. Done!
      3. Extra ...

      The next day, on May 11, information appeared that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was urgently traveling to Russia for talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

      And before that, David Cameron and John Carrie ... In general, it is funny how the envoys of universal people go to Russia to bow to Putin, to ask permission for their lawlessness! laughing How long have we been able to only dream of this? wink
      So, once again on the first point. On foot erotic journey sent: USA, England and Israel! I am proud of such a President! It’s not for you to pat Gorbi on the shoulder, and not to drink Yeltsin at the summits ...
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 13 May 2013 18: 41
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        And before that, David Cameron and John Carrie ... In general, it is funny how the envoys of universal people go to Russia to bow to Putin, to ask permission for their lawlessness! laughing Have we ever dreamed about this?

        Why they go to Moscow is a moot point.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 13 May 2013 18: 53
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          Why they go to Moscow is a moot point.

          For you, yes ... You consider them masters. But this is just your personal, subjective opinion.
          Quote: nycsson
          Who sends hosts in three letters?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 13 May 2013 20: 49
            0
            Quote: Atlon
            You consider them masters.

            For them, yes.
            Quote: Atlon
            But this is just your personal, subjective opinion.

            Well, of course. You can’t argue with that. Here everyone has only their own, personal and subjective opinion.
          2. valokordin
            valokordin 14 May 2013 03: 07
            0
            Quote: Atlon

            For you, yes ... You consider them masters. But this is just your personal, subjective opinion.

            Athlone, that you will sing when Syria is surrendered, as it was in Libya.
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 14 May 2013 09: 03
              +3
              Quote: valokordin
              Athlone that you will sing

              "God Save the Tsar"
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 May 2013 18: 54
          12
          Why they go to Moscow is a moot point.

          Well, obviously I can’t paint a bullet. If such a hajj went to Moscow, and even such persons, then obviously someone stepped on their favorite callus. Moreover, they came and held, thinking whether to continue to push, or enough for the first time. I don’t need to explain who came to whom. But how and what will follow (pleases, of course, the commotion in the US chicken coop laughing ) we will see soon. And the truth will come out of years through 70 ...
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 13 May 2013 18: 59
            +4
            Quote: Wedmak
            Moreover, they came and held, thinking whether to continue to push, or enough for the first time. I think someone doesn’t come

            It’s obvious who stepped on someone and so, but to whom the eggs were crushed, also see with the naked eye!
        3. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 14 May 2013 00: 52
          +1
          Incorrect message that you didn’t hear there is already bargaining what will happen after Assad, All the arrivals say that we don’t mind chatting about Syria, but we inform you what will happen after all this mess, Someone writes about Iran to help him himself have long been in an economic blockade and ours clearly say we are observing it, that’s why all these visits
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 13 May 2013 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: Atlon
        1. Done!
        2. Done!
        3. Extra ...

        Amendment:
        1. Done
        2. Done
        3. S-300 is being done, tanks are superfluous ...
        1. 755962
          755962 13 May 2013 19: 41
          +3
          "The last card" Obama and the end of "children's games": Russia and the United States can get closer thanks to Syria
          Despite Russia's stubbornness in supplying S-300 missile systems to Syria, it is the Syrian conflict, paradoxically, that can help Moscow restore relations with Washington, which have recently become almost icy. In a situation where the room for maneuver is narrowing, Russia remains the "last card" for Barack Obama, writes Corriere della Sera.

          The civil war in Syria, which has been going on for many years, may develop into an acute phase with the involvement of external forces. At the same time, neither Europe nor America want to interfere, but "in a situation where something needs to be done without military intervention, the first thing they turn to is Russia: let's try - maybe we will still agree on something," he explained. Moscow News "Editor-in-Chief of Russia in Global Affairs" Fyodor Lukyanov.


          http://www.newsru.com/world/13may2013/royalflush.html

          Only more like a fairy tale about a white bull ..
          1. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 14 May 2013 00: 55
            +1
            This is a fairy tale for the layman bad that it is supported by our liberals
      3. lev1759
        lev1759 13 May 2013 23: 58
        0
        Keep! good
    11. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 13 May 2013 20: 15
      +3
      Near the border with Syria, a Turkish fighter fell



      Not far from the Syrian border, in an inaccessible wooded area, a Turkish F-16 fighter fell. Earlier communication with the plane was lost.

      The pilot managed to eject. The reasons for the incident are not yet known. According to local media reports, the crash could have occurred as a result of technical problems, Interfax notes.

      F-16 performed a service flight over the Amanos mountain range, where the disaster occurred. The immediate place of the fall can be located about 20-25 kilometers from the nearest line of the Turkish-Syrian border and not far from the borders of Hatay and Gaziantep provinces. Search and rescue operations are already underway in the area.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 13 May 2013 20: 52
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Near the border with Syria, a Turkish fighter fell

        Ah! Well, here's another "contribution" for aggression.
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 13 May 2013 23: 30
        +4
        Unfortunately, the pilot died! And not so close to the Syrian border, as they say!
      3. lev1759
        lev1759 14 May 2013 00: 02
        +1
        Who would answer the question ... fell himself or who helped?
    12. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 20: 16
      +1
      Already done. I want to go there myself, But the prosthesis ......- Nizya. But adrenaline is needed.
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    15. 120352
      120352 14 May 2013 00: 47
      +1
      I would also send Ka-50 and Ka-51 there. They can work pointwise, but in this confusion - where are their own, where are the strangers - with Tu 22 and Tu 160 will not figure it out. And also the hacker division. They will go online to the Turks and reset all accounts, and the Turks, especially the mercenaries, for free, i.e. "For the Motherland", "For Stalin" (meaning Erdogan), they will not fight. Money is more important to them than their homeland.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 14 May 2013 01: 36
        0
        What is a Ka-51? Which of the 6 Ka-50s (2 workers) would you send.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 14 May 2013 01: 51
          +1
          11 cars, of which 6 are in flight-able condition, the rest are written off or used as teaching aids.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 14 May 2013 02: 16
            0
            If not mistaken, 6 cars in Torzhok. 4 in flight condition. But this number was decreasing - a part had a resource, some were under repair.
  2. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 13 May 2013 15: 55
    +8
    Syria will finish off Israel and Turkey

    To do this, you first need to knock it down, which while these "Stars and Stripes" satellites are afraid to do, limiting themselves to individual pokes, as well as calls for "instant community"


    Berlin. 12 May. INTERFAX.RU - The time has come for the international community to take action against Syria, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Sunday. "It is time for the international community to take action against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad," the Turkish minister said at a press conference in Berlin. According to him, the Syrian conflict is increasingly threatening Turkey and other neighboring countries.

    As reported, as a result of explosions in the Turkish city of Reyhanli on the border with Syria on Saturday, 46 people were killed, more than 100 people were injured. Turkish Interior Minister Muammer Guler said that the Syrian secret services were involved in the attack.

    http://www.interfax.ru/world/news.asp?id=306087
  3. Andrey57
    Andrey57 13 May 2013 15: 55
    14
    There are already tanks there, more air defense and ships of our fleet are needed there, so that the Jews and Turks could sit on their own priest more calmly and there would be no desire to bomb someone bully
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 13 May 2013 16: 14
      +5
      Unfortunately, if you do not take WMD into account, Russia will not pull against everyone. Even Israel and the Turks put together hardly ...
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 13 May 2013 16: 30
        +9
        And you take into account the WMD, especially TNW
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 13 May 2013 16: 58
          +2
          This is an extreme option. and brandishing a nuclear club for every reason - I don’t even have to explain, I think
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 13 May 2013 17: 04
            +4
            And that war is not an extreme situation?
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 08
            +1
            Quote: domovoi
            This is an extreme option. and brandishing a nuclear club for every reason - I don’t even have to explain, I think


            Sorry for the directness - do.ra.ka do not need to be turned on. A nuclear club in capable hands is the basis of foreign policy.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 14 May 2013 00: 15
              0
              Now, in the 21st century, nuclear weapons are weapons of the weak! Paradox?
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 13 May 2013 17: 00
        +4
        Quote: domovoi
        Unfortunately, if you do not take WMD into account, Russia will not pull against everyone. Even Israel and the Turks put together hardly ...

        What about China?
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 13 May 2013 17: 05
          +8
          with China, I think it’s possible to run into the USA. China will crush economically, Russia politically and militarily. but China, as you see, has a passive policy. the amount of paper that he accumulated played harm to him, because in the event of a fall or weakening of Europe or the United States, he will lose part of his money (and maybe all)
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 13 May 2013 17: 41
            +6
            Quote: domovoi
            in the event of a fall or weakening of Europe or the United States, he will lose part of his money (and maybe all)

            In the event of the fall or weakening of Europe or the United States, China will receive from them its "in kind" laughing (technologies, means of production, influence in the world ...) The Chinese are unolaberous in small things but very far-sighted in matters of strategic development, I think they know exactly why they need "American paper".
          2. Atlon
            Atlon 13 May 2013 19: 03
            +6
            Quote: domovoi
            China, as you see, has a passive policy. the amount of paper that he accumulated played harm to him, because in the event of a fall or weakening of Europe or the United States, he will lose part of his money (and maybe all)

            China is biding its time and cunning, that's why it is China. As for paper, paper is. Besides paper, China has accumulated production. Mostly exported from the USA and Europe. so paper can be neglected. And besides, China is firmly holding the "civilized" world by its balls, having occupied almost all world consumption markets! Including the Russian one.
        2. Nitup
          Nitup 13 May 2013 17: 07
          +5
          And there are enough tactical charges on China, do not worry. And our army is not weak. But do not make the enemy of China. But, of course, one must be prepared for any development of events.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 13 May 2013 18: 58
            +1
            Quote: Nitup
            And there are enough tactical charges on China, do not worry. And our army is not weak. But do not make the enemy of China. But, of course, one must be prepared for any development of events.

            I didn’t make an enemy from China. China is our ally.
            Apparently, he did not clearly formulate the question.
            1. Nitup
              Nitup 13 May 2013 19: 05
              +1
              Well then, the potential increases significantly
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 13 May 2013 20: 55
              +4
              Quote: Sukhov
              I didn’t make an enemy from China. China is our ally.


              I would like, but it’s very vindictive and very on my mind
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 13 May 2013 22: 11
                +1
                Quote: Vadivak
                I would like, but it’s very vindictive and very on my mind

                Quiet Ukrainian night
                but fat should be hidden?
                yes
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 13 May 2013 22: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Sukhov
                  Quiet Ukrainian night
                  but fat should be hidden?


                  All have their own vision, someone and your post will find that "Ukraine is located away from the center of movement of continental air masses."
                  1. Suhov
                    Suhov 13 May 2013 22: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Everyone has their own vision, someone and your post will find that "Ukraine is located away from the center of movement of continental air masses"

                    Well, no: "These numbers will not work for your air ... in Ukraine there is a small cyclonic center with a pressure of about seven hundred and forty millimeters."
                    laughing
                  2. Reasonable, 2,3
                    Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 23: 43
                    0
                    Is not it so?.
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              3. lev1759
                lev1759 14 May 2013 00: 15
                0
                "I would like to, but they are very vindictive and very much on their minds" Absolutely in a hole ... China is an ally for us as long as it’s under pressure. Under the naval blockade of China, the only way of supplying energy through Russia. China will immediately reorient itself.
            3. nerd.su
              nerd.su 13 May 2013 23: 58
              +1
              Quote: Sukhov
              China is our ally.

              Russia has only two allies: the Russian army and the Russian fleet.
              Never forget about it.
            4. Pimply
              Pimply 14 May 2013 01: 00
              -2
              Like Germany before the war.
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 11
            +1
            Quote: Nitup
            And there are enough tactical charges on China, do not worry. And our army is not weak. But do not make the enemy of China. But, of course, one must be prepared for any development of events.


            Thank God that China is more closed to itself. If only they wanted, then the world would have long been in radioactive ruins.
      3. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 13 May 2013 17: 09
        +7
        Why be afraid of WMD?
        Nothing personal, just statistics:
        The population of the earth in 1950 was about 2.5 ml, during the Second World War 28 mln of Soviet people died, this is about 1.1% of the entire globe!
        those. there were precedents when one of the countries was losing 1% of all the inhabitants of the earth, then in modern conditions this can happen again, only 1% is not 25ml but 70ml. And you obviously don’t click the slingshots.
        Therefore, how not to be afraid of weapons of mass destruction, but it will only be used laughing at humanistic and existential values, where human life is the most important thing. So I think the North Koreans will send their nuclear missile to Europe and think, "oh, how not to accidentally scratch some p ... sa, because human life is valuable!"
        1. DimYang
          DimYang 14 May 2013 11: 48
          0
          Quote: Bashkaus
          The population of the earth in 1950 was about 2.5 ml, during the Second World War 28 mln of Soviet people died, this is about 1.1% of the entire globe!


          I didn’t take one thing into account — WHITE PEOPLE died, and even more so now most of them are not white at all (of which I personally would not apply the word man to the majority). And think about what we're being led to.
      4. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 07
        0
        Quote: domovoi
        Unfortunately, if you do not take WMD into account, Russia will not pull against everyone. Even Israel and the Turks put together hardly ...


        If you don’t take WMD into account, then nobody just pulls anywhere. The position of the nuclear power lies in the fact that after the aggression against it there will be no one left who will take advantage of the dividends from such an act. So, one RF is enough to deter all of NATO together with Israel.
      5. Rink
        Rink 14 May 2013 23: 45
        0
        Quote: domovoi
        Unfortunately, if you do not take WMD into account, Russia will not pull against everyone. ...

        Why is it "not to take?"
        Since when did nuclear weapons become neglected?
        It was created to give weight to the word. If Russia says: - "Sit!", Then all sorts of Turks with Jews WILL sit on their heels, and quietly sniff in two holes. And even mattress covers do not dare to "ignore".

        They just got used to the fact that Russia was not up to them;
        Well, nothing, Uncle Vova will quickly teach.
        He is still beautiful, proud!

        As they ran to him for a bow, they squealed !!! Rjunimagu!
  4. Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 15: 55
    23 th
    What can a person who, in 2011, at the forum of the G-20 countries, the leaders of two great powers - the USA and France, Barack Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy called a liar - can offer Russia on behalf of Israel? Nothing. Natural gas in the Mediterranean? A few high-tech hi-tech chips? Two week rest in Eilat? This all costs nothing. He goes to Russia empty and will try to cheat and deceive.


    And what can friend Bashar Assad have to offer Russia, except for debts and spoiled relations with all Arab countries?

    Israel is a technology provider: in 2011, Israeli exports to Russia grew by 25% and exceeded $ 1.1 billion.

    Exports - commodities: technology, agricultural products, food, chemical products, processed gemstones, machinery, mechanical devices, instruments and control systems for the space industry, plastic.

    It is known about the deliveries to Russia of chemical equipment, information technology, electronics - military and household, military optics, unmanned aerial vehicles, small arms, food.

    In recent years, Israeli companies (in cooperation with Russian companies) have been building hospitals in Russia, both large and regional, as well as roads and road infrastructure.

    Russia is a supplier of quality raw materials: in 2011, the volume of Russian goods exported to Israel grew by half and reached $ 1.5 billion.

    Israel imports rough diamonds, metals and minerals from Russia. ALROSA’s annual direct deliveries to Israel alone are valued at $ 280-290 million.

    Israel has the lowest cost of processing precious stones, and therefore, the joint work of the Russian and Israeli sides is mutually beneficial.

    Thanks to joint projects with Israel, ALROSA successfully competes with the global diamond diva De Beers.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 13 May 2013 16: 05
      +8
      A holy place is never empty.
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 13 May 2013 16: 12
      19
      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      Israel is a technology provider: in 2011, Israeli exports to Russia grew by 25% and exceeded $ 1.1 billion.

      Israel just doesn’t deliver the technology, only finished products, which leads to the weakening of our manufacturers .. in fact, even when the drones bought, then without the knowledge of Israel we couldn’t even set them up for ourselves, there was an electronic destruction system in case of disassembly attempt ..
      And Syria can offer us a lot, firstly, protecting our interests in the region, which is already worth a lot (for example, it will not allow the construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe). We are also a regular customer of our defense industry, which comes second in the budget after the oil and gas sector .. Many joint ventures, even here in the forum, those who are in business, cursed that now instead of high-quality Syrian goods, you have to buy Turkish goods at tri-roads and worse quality ..
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 24
        -4
        Israel just doesn’t deliver the technology, only finished products, which leads to the weakening of our manufacturers .. in fact, even when the drones bought, then without the knowledge of Israel we couldn’t even set them up for ourselves, there was an electronic destruction system in case of disassembly attempt ..


        Where did you get this nonsense? From Marat Musin?

        Kommersant - Yekaterinburg, citing Andrei Novikov, head of the UZGA light aircraft section, reports that UZGZ (Ural Civil Aviation Plant), located in Yekaterinburg, wants to begin assembling the Forpost complex of an Israeli UAV under license in Russia.


        He added that the production site for the creation of Outposts is fully prepared. In Israel, the specialists of their enterprise were fully trained. Novikov said that if everything would be fine, then experimental flights on the first unmanned aerial vehicle, which was assembled in Russia, would have occurred in July 2012.


        And Syria can offer us a lot, firstly, protecting our interests in the region, which is already worth a lot (for example, it will not allow the construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe).


        And you do not know that Qatar is not the only gas supplier to BV?

        Also a regular customer of our defense industry, which is second only to the budget in terms of budget revenues ..


        As far as I know, Syria has not paid off its Soviet debts yet. What income can your defense industry get from it?
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 13 May 2013 17: 03
          +4
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          which is located in Yekaterinburg, wants to begin assembling the Forpost complex of the Israeli UAV under license in Russia.

          Well, they refused, and made TK for our design bureaus on UAVs, but refused precisely because of limited rights to technology, most likely Israel reserved the right to program vehicles, which is not acceptable for our aircraft ..
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          And you do not know that Qatar is not the only gas supplier to BV?

          Qatar and the Saudis are the main opponents of Russia, so their gas in Europe will supply Wah-Hobits in the Caucasus ..
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          As far as I know, Syria has not paid off its Soviet debts yet. What income can your defense industry get from it?

          Maybe not with real money, but certainly with good contracts, there even our auto industry flashes everywhere ..
          1. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 17: 23
            -3
            Well, they refused, and made TK for our design bureaus on UAVs, but refused precisely because of limited rights to technology, most likely Israel reserved the right to program vehicles, which is not acceptable for our aircraft ..


            Who refused? What did you refuse?

            Assembly of UAV "Forpost" (IAI Searcher Mk II) for the Ministry of Defense of Russia at JSC "Ural Civil Aviation Plant". Yekaterinburg (c) OJSC "OPK" Oboronprom ":
            1. Galinanp
              Galinanp 13 May 2013 17: 56
              +7
              IL Tourist Breakfast Today, 17:23 Who refused? What did you refuse?

              Assembly of UAV "Forpost" (IAI Searcher Mk II) for the Ministry of Defense of Russia at JSC "Ural Civil Aviation Plant". Yekaterinburg (c) OJSC "OPK" Oboronprom "

              Russia no longer intends to buy unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) abroad, the country has established its own production, the director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Alexander Fomin said on Friday on the air of the Echo of Moscow radio station / March 2, 2013.
            2. DEfindER
              DEfindER 13 May 2013 17: 57
              +4
              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              Who refused? What did you refuse?
              Assembly of UAV "Forpost" (IAI Searcher Mk II) for the Ministry of Defense of Russia at JSC "Ural Civil Aviation Plant"

              It’s probably when the photo was taken under Serdyukov, and now we’ll do our own UAVs for the Defense Ministry, it’s like we’ll be developing several design bureaus .. Mig and Yak like ..
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 14 May 2013 01: 13
                0
                In January of this year, the photo was taken.
                So we worked together before the purchase. The question is that the development of high-quality modern UAVs is not a day or two. Israel for its current successes in this field has been going on for three decades.
                And before something normal starts, normal devices are needed to "plug the holes".
          2. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 17: 27
            +1
            Qatar and the Saudis are the main opponents of Russia, so their gas in Europe will supply Wah-Hobits in the Caucasus ..


            Offshore Cyprus and Israel have also found gas deposits. They will be supplied to Europe accordingly.

            Maybe not with real money, but certainly with good contracts, there even our auto industry flashes everywhere ..


            Sorry, but who will pay? For free, you can supply weapons anywhere. They’ll take them for free.
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 13 May 2013 17: 53
              +6
              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              Sorry, but who will pay? For free, you can supply weapons anywhere. They’ll take them for free.

              I talked about the debts to the Soviet Union, and now they pay with real money, moreover, back in 2010, and we cut off supplies because of your influence on our government ..
        2. lev1759
          lev1759 14 May 2013 00: 32
          +2
          "AO UZGZ (Ural Civil Aviation Plant), which is located in Yekaterinburg, wants to start assembling the Forpost complex of an Israeli UAV under license in Russia." Do not tell my slippers (as they say in Odessa) This drone is a hundred years old at lunchtime. Just the most modern developments of Evra are not sold to Russia. Yes, Qatar is not the only gas supplier, but it is the only major competitor to Gazprom in terms of supplies to Europe. And with the construction of the gas pipeline, Gazprom will simply lose the European market (and with it significant budget revenues). The only obstacle on this path is - Syria. The Soviet debts to Syria were forgiven. And the howl in the press about the supply of S-300 to Syria was raised on the basis of data from Jewish intelligence about the transfer of 800 million. bucks to Russia for paying for these complexes.
        3. politruk419
          politruk419 14 May 2013 06: 50
          +2
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          As far as I know, Syria has not paid off its Soviet debts yet. What income can your defense industry get from it?

          All sorts of different, much more interesting than you can imagine.
          For seed:
          Unlimited rental of Tartus for the needs of the naval base of the Mediterranean squadron.
          -effective advertising of our arms and military equipment in the Middle East, as an alternative to mattresses French and Kytays.
          -cardinal warming of relations between Iran and Russia (farewell to Turkish attempts to lead in the region)
          -a visual demonstration of the protection of the interests of the allies of Russia in the face of external aggression (try to measure it in dollars;
          -opportunities for Russian investment, including private) in the economy of a dilapidated country are opening up. Restoring is a very profitable business today. Consult in Hali-Burton, Dick Cheney will explain everything on your fingers where and how to cut money.
          I did not convince you? Yes to me and pokh ... p! The main thing that Putin convinced the BBC. And Putin can be convincing (especially when he wants to).
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      3. atalef
        atalef 13 May 2013 22: 06
        +2
        Quote: DEfindER
        And Syria can offer us a lot, firstly, protecting our interests in the region, which is already worth a lot (for example, it will not allow the construction of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe)

        Well, she can’t defend anything, she would defend herself. Qatar has the largest fleet of liquefied natural gas in the world. Yesterday, interesting news has come.
        The Obama administration plans this year to sell abroad about 41% of annual gas production, which will be delivered to 20 terminals off the coast of the United States and sent in liquefied form across the ocean.
        "A decision on this issue should be made in the coming weeks, a maximum of months," - quotes Bloomberg, the president of the largest American public relations company ML Strategies LLC, David Leiter.
        A sharp rise in shale gas production was outlined in the USA in the last quarter, when its production increased by 28%, reaching 69.9 trillion cubic feet per day.
        The development of new horizontal drilling technologies in the USA allowed this country to accomplish the impossible - from the largest importer of energy resources, the States are turning into importers, which will allow this country to contain the growing budget deficit and geopolitically reduce the influence of other gas and oil producing countries, such as Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia

        Quote: DEfindER
        Also a regular customer of our defense industry, which is second only to the budget in terms of budget revenues after the oil and gas sector.

        in general for all the time he (Assad) has not paid anything yet (15 billion were written off) another 4 billion gave loans

        Quote: DEfindER
        . Many joint ventures

        ?
        Export - $ 13,97 billion (in 2008) - oil, minerals, fruits and vegetables, textiles.

        The main buyers are Iraq 30,7%, Germany 9,8%, Lebanon 9,6%, Italy 6,4%, France 5,5%, Egypt 5,4%, Saudi Arabia 5,1%.

        Import - $ 15,97 billion (in 2008) - industrial products, food.


        Export is less than import - what does it mean?
        As the main importers of products from Syria, Russia is not even mentioned - because minuscule. And there’s nothing to buy, Russia itself sells all this
    3. screw cutter
      screw cutter 13 May 2013 16: 12
      +5
      And what can friend Bashar Assad have to offer Russia, except for debts and spoiled relations with all Arab countries?
      Israel is a technology provider: in 2011, Israeli exports to Russia grew by 25% and exceeded $ 1.1 billion.
      In a conflict, Jews with dual citizenship (Russian Federation and Izr.) Will return to Russia and go to work on the Yakut diamonds. Engineers and doctors with Soviet diplomas can also return, etc. Therefore, there can be many more pluses than minuses.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 13 May 2013 22: 15
        +1
        STRATEGIC friendship! And far-fetched debts (pay off at a time). If you understand the topic!
      2. krest.ros
        krest.ros 13 May 2013 23: 35
        +3
        It does not interfere. With a competent policy, you can establish the right relationship with everyone. The main thing is to follow Russian priorities.
    4. maksuta
      maksuta 13 May 2013 16: 18
      11
      so it is the Jews who are interested in trade with Russia, and not vice versa. Particularly pleased with the food.)))
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 32
        -4
        so it is the Jews who are interested in trade with Russia, and not vice versa. Particularly pleased with the food.)))


        Yeah, you buy your own products at home, because this supermarket is interested in this, and not vice versa. And so you would not eat.
        1. evfrat
          evfrat 13 May 2013 17: 16
          +3
          someone eats, and someone eats ...
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 21
          +1
          Quote: Tourist Breakfast
          Yeah, you buy your own products at home, because this supermarket is interested in this, and not vice versa. And so you would not eat.


          What wassat Etc. laughing
      2. ronin
        ronin 13 May 2013 16: 33
        10
        We import strawberries from Israel. Some other fruit and vegetables. We’ll interrupt without them, but here are the Moscow nouveau riche recourse
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 38
          -8
          We import strawberries from Israel. Some other fruit and vegetables. We’ll interrupt without them, but here are the Moscow nouveau riche


          More carrots and potatoes. Suppose you get out of hand. But let's say drugs and medical equipment. Are you gonna get over too?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 13 May 2013 18: 51
            +4
            Quote: Tourist Breakfast
            We import strawberries from Israel. Some other fruit and vegetables. We’ll interrupt without them, but here are the Moscow nouveau riche


            More carrots and potatoes. Suppose you get out of hand. But let's say drugs and medical equipment. Are you gonna get over too?



            In the Great Patriotic War - they interrupted, and now even more so. For a hundred years, the poppy did not give birth and there was no famine.
          2. AlexW
            AlexW 13 May 2013 19: 41
            +8
            Plastic carrots? -Do not fire. An Israeli calibrated lies - they don’t take it, they prefer it from grannies in the land ...
            Regarding rough diamonds, it’s well said, why not processed, why not process in the same Yakutia, eh? Is Russia a raw materials appendage? Do you feel like it? We’ll fix the drugs ourselves, it’s time to restore them a long time ago. Will the Russians be worse off from this? - No! And Israel, where are its powders, but will it put klyster tubes? So who needs someone, this is not even a question.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 13 May 2013 19: 58
              -2
              Quote: AlexW
              And Israel, where are its powders, but will it put klyster tubes? So who needs someone, this is not even a question.

              In addition to Russia, Israel sells them to half of the planet, for example, Teva holds 35% of the global generics market. Regarding "we will fix it ourselves" - Russia is very behind here. Everyone talks about the lag in electronics or there in mechanical engineering, but the lag in pharmacology is much more serious and, by the way, more dangerous for the normal development of the country
              1. AlexW
                AlexW 13 May 2013 20: 35
                +3
                Teva holds 35% of the global generics market
                But not a monopolist. Who "holds" the remaining 65%. what will they refuse to supply? Lagged behind .. we have already passed this ... In many ways, we once lagged behind. They entered the 20th century in bast shoes with a plow, and 50 years later they were a nuclear, space power. And you are powders .... rough diamonds .... De Beers is constantly vibrating, as if accidentally threw excess on the wound. This bubble will burst - the diamond market. The luxury item will instantly turn into penny glass. Russia is a self-sufficient country. It is clear that the West and the same Izrail have a great desire to keep it as a raw material appendage. Say: "why do you need science, factories, factories - that's enough for you screwdriver production, why do you need agriculture, we'll fill you up with our GMOs - you only need gas, oil , minerals, chase the rare earth and give it a little, otherwise we will be offended. " Will not work your way. That is why Putin is so annoying to the West - slowly but surely "pulls" Russia off the "raw material needle". This is not Humpbacked with Eltsin. Now Bibi and the others are wiping their pants in the waiting room of the Russian president.
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 13 May 2013 20: 52
                  +4
                  Quote: AlexW
                  Left behind .. we already passed it ... In many ways, we once fell behind

                  You are probably a little off topic. lag behind the West in pharmacology and related disciplines related to drugs, 10 years minimum. Of course you can catch up, but it’s you who crucified that you don’t need anything from Israel or the USA, I gave you an example of what you need ..
                  Quote: AlexW
                  But not a monopolist.

                  Read it again. You wrote that if Russia does not buy, then to whom Israel will sell its powders and tubes.
                  Quote: AlexW
                  And Israel, where are its powders, but will it put klyster tubes? So who needs someone, it’s not even a question.


                  I gave you an example of the fact that without the Russian market, Israeli firms cannot bend. You started writing about some other 65% who would not refuse to supply. although initially the conversation was not about that. Horror
                  1. AlexW
                    AlexW 13 May 2013 21: 38
                    +4
                    Exactly what horror :) The whole world is fighting for sales markets. What is the trade balance between Russia and Izrail? What is the share of Izrail in Russian trade? Themselves, give a lot of examples of deliveries of goods to Russia. Who will lose more? The loss of the Israeli market for our exports is negligible. The reduction in the supply of medicines, carrots, etc. will be compensated from other sources, and most importantly, will serve as an incentive for the development of our own production. You are trying to instill in us the idea that Israel is more important for Russia than Syria, but I am giving other reasons. Syria (don't get hung up on Assad) is oil, gas, transit supplies from Iraq, Iran. It is a strategic geographic location. This is a sales market for equipment and materials. Syria with the support of Russia will stand, who will restore it? Israel? Who will rearm her army. Well, and the most important thing, IMHO, is the authority of Russia as a reliable partner, not a opportunist. Type France -Sarkozyavka with Kadafi kissed the gums, begged for money, and then betrayed meanly. Or Erdogan - framed a dozen Turks for Jewish bullets, allegedly in conflict with Israil, and he himself is tearing up Syria in collusion. Against the background of such "friends", Russia's authority is only strengthening. Not everyone loves? - but everyone will respect and take into account the opinion of Russia.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 13 May 2013 22: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: AlexW
                      That’s exactly what horror :) The whole world is fighting for sales markets. What is the trade balance of Russia and Israel? What is the share of Israel in Russian trade?

                      Our turnover (Israel-Russia) is much higher than between Russia and Syria.
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 13 May 2013 22: 17
                        +4
                        Not everything is measured by turnover!
                      2. Geisenberg
                        Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Not everything is measured by turnover!


                        Yes, they at least have a count on their head, they don’t get it, just dollars in their heads.
                    2. AlexW
                      AlexW 13 May 2013 23: 31
                      +4
                      I'll try to explain on the fingers :)
                      Israel considers Russia only as a market for its high-tech products (but not technologies) and a supplier of cheap raw materials (your examples). Syria is for Russia a market for the sale of technological goods (S-300 also applies to them) and a supplier of raw materials, a geostrategic partner, etc. Who is more valuable to Russia now and in the future (wars end sooner or later) ??
                    3. Geisenberg
                      Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: AlexW
                      That’s exactly what horror :) The whole world is fighting for sales markets. What is the trade balance of Russia and Israel? What is the share of Israel in Russian trade?

                      Our turnover (Israel-Russia) is much higher than between Russia and Syria.


                      I propose to arrange a terrorist war in Israel as in Syria and look at our trade. Just let’s imagine that in every Israeli city there are Pertisan battles, and military objects of the government are bombing, for example, the Turkish Air Force ... right ... there will be no goods turnover.
                    4. Pimply
                      Pimply 14 May 2013 01: 37
                      0
                      Are you a terrorist?
                    5. stroporez
                      stroporez 14 May 2013 14: 07
                      +2
                      What does terrorism have to do with ????? it would be very beneficial for people if countries organizing bloodshed in other regions would receive similar shots at home. a couple of hundred dead Amers or Jews in their countries would quickly have been reasoned by governments ...............
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 14 May 2013 01: 17
            0
            Teva has already built a plant in Yaroslavl
        2. Oleg Rosskiyy
          Oleg Rosskiyy 13 May 2013 22: 22
          -1
          Quote: Rumata
          In addition to Russia, Israel sells them to half the planet

          All sorts of homosexuals have bred, especially in Western Europe.
    5. nerd.su
      nerd.su 14 May 2013 00: 10
      0
      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      More carrots and potatoes

      I have never seen.
      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      But let's say drugs and medical equipment. Are you gonna get over too?

      But name such Israeli medicines that we ourselves do not know how to do? And how many are there? All your medicines are produced in Eastern Europe at enterprises that were built during the Soviet era ...
  • _Siberian_
    13 May 2013 16: 32
    15
    This does not mean that everyone should noddedly approve of the fascist attitude towards the unarmed population and to a cynical assessment of any risks in permissible losses on the part of the civilian population. Who gave you the right to decide who lives and who dies?
    PS: this applies not only to Israel ...
    PS: PS: I also have friends in Israel and my opinion is not about the Israelis, but about their, and not only, LEADERS! kovs and fascists who got to power with you, your neighbors, who crap from the high bell tower both on you and on us, and even more so on some Syrians. Such "PEOPLE" understand only the language of power!
    I in no way wish evil to the "poor ev * eyam" but communicating on German forums I see READINGS, and from you sir, only slogans and statements about your own exclusivity!
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 36
      -8
      Who are you talking to now?
      1. _Siberian_
        13 May 2013 16: 44
        +5
        I'm trying to convey this to you and your flag hi
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 58
          -3
          I'm trying to convey this to you and your flag


          Then, sir, of course, it won't make it difficult for you to quote from my postings, where I "claim my own exclusiveness"?
          1. _Siberian_
            13 May 2013 17: 20
            +8
            Quote: Tourist Breakfast
            What can a person who, in 2011, at the forum of the G-20 countries, the leaders of two great powers - the USA and France, Barack Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy called a liar - can offer Russia on behalf of Israel? Nothing. Natural gas in the Mediterranean? A few high-tech hi-tech chips? Two week rest in Eilat? This all costs nothing. He goes to Russia empty and will try to cheat and deceive.


            And what can friend Bashar Assad have to offer Russia, except for debts and spoiled relations with all Arab countries?

            Israel is a technology provider: in 2011, Israeli exports to Russia grew by 25% and exceeded $ 1.1 billion.

            Exports - commodities: technology, agricultural products, food, chemical products, processed gemstones, machinery, mechanical devices, instruments and control systems for the space industry, plastic.

            It is known about the deliveries to Russia of chemical equipment, information technology, electronics - military and household, military optics, unmanned aerial vehicles, small arms, food.

            In recent years, Israeli companies (in cooperation with Russian companies) have been building hospitals in Russia, both large and regional, as well as roads and road infrastructure.

            Russia is a supplier of quality raw materials: in 2011, the volume of Russian goods exported to Israel grew by half and reached $ 1.5 billion.

            Israel imports rough diamonds, metals and minerals from Russia. ALROSA’s annual direct deliveries to Israel alone are valued at $ 280-290 million.

            Israel has the lowest cost of processing precious stones, and therefore, the joint work of the Russian and Israeli sides is mutually beneficial.

            Thanks to joint projects with Israel, ALROSA successfully competes with the global diamond diva De Beers.



            Nearest example

            PS: it is unlikely that the Yankees and their "squires" have shown such keen interest in Syria simply because democratic values ​​in a single country are so important to them, nope ...
            Syria is the transit and distribution hubs of energy carriers in its region.
            Now, transit prices through Syria depend on the prices of utilities in the southern part of Europe, and transit control will strangle Iran.
            And plyulat amer on the death of women and children, for the sake of the "valve" you can still go wrong, especially with the hands of Israel and Turkey
  • shark
    shark 13 May 2013 16: 37
    12
    We will find other partners. How can one fail to understand for so many years that Russian business will never rise above principles. A principle is one-amerovsky unipolar world coupled with six sycophants DOSTALI. And then the question "why?" we answer our favorite illogical "but because!"
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 55
      0
      Find other partners. How can you not understand in so many years, the Russian business will never rise above the principles. And the principle is one-Amer’s unipolar world, coupled with six slime dishes


      So there is no longer a unipolar world. Americans are now more afraid of China than Russia. Do you think ten years ago defense transactions between Israel and the Russian Federation were possible?
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 13 May 2013 17: 08
        +5
        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        So there is no longer a unipolar world. Americans are now more afraid of China than Russia.

        Well, fine...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 14 May 2013 01: 21
          -2
          Yes, what’s so glorious. They would be afraid of Russia too.
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  • Kaa
    Kaa 13 May 2013 16: 42
    12
    Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
    And what can friend Bashar Assad have to offer Russia

    What does Bibi have to offer? You, for example, assume the following: ". Political scientist Zeev Khanin suggests that this time Benjamin Netanyahu is bringing to Sochi something more than just another request to postpone the supply of aircraft and missiles to Assad. And even more than the old formula" we are for you - tourism, gas and nanotechnology, and you are hiding the Syrian contract in the far drawer of the president's desk. " This time, Netanyahu offers Putin a new role: not an antagonist to the West in the Middle East, but a leading partner in a regional settlement. Moreover, not only on the Syrian front, but also in the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. The outcome of Netanyahu’s hasty visit to Sochi could be this: Russian weapons will again miraculously linger on their way to Syria for several months. And the mysterious bombing of Syrian targets from the air, if they do not stop, will never develop into something more serious. The main question is whether Vladimir Putin will accept the tempting offer of the West to become an opponent - the partner remains unanswered. The Kremlin will choose one of the two partners in this tango, or strange dances will continue - time will tell. Http://www.zman.com/news/2013/05/12/150806.html
    Quite wisely, leave Syria alone, and the world there will gradually recover. Now it would be nice to Erdogan in Sochi to ask for a visitEtc.
    1. lev1759
      lev1759 14 May 2013 00: 47
      0
      "The main question is whether Vladimir Putin will accept the tempting offer of the West to become an opponent - a partner so far remains unanswered." Will not accept 100% !!! Putin will not surrender Syria!
  • Corsair
    Corsair 13 May 2013 16: 51
    +9
    Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
    Russia is a supplier of quality raw materials: in 2011, the volume of Russian goods exported to Israel grew by half and reached $ 1.5 billion.

    Israel imports rough diamonds, metals and minerals from Russia. ALROSA’s annual direct deliveries to Israel alone are valued at $ 280-290 million.

    Well, turn off from Syria, since partnership with Russia is so dear to you. You should not tempt fate by solving YOUR REGIONAL PROBLEMS. You are standing in the way of unleashing the global conflict.
    Do not play with fire!
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 17: 01
      -3
      Well, turn off from Syria, since partnership with Russia is so dear to you


      I still believe that the lives of our own citizens are somewhat more expensive to us than even partnership with Russia.
      1. Bezarius
        Bezarius 13 May 2013 17: 04
        +8
        Then all the more you should not climb into Syria. Although you are an important puppet in the USA, they will not send their soldiers to death for you.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 17: 16
          0
          Then all the more you should not climb into Syria. Although you are an important puppet in the USA, they will not send their soldiers to death for you.

          And we do not climb into Syria. We are more concerned with Iran.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 31
            +2
            Quote: Tourist Breakfast
            Then all the more you should not climb into Syria. Although you are an important puppet in the USA, they will not send their soldiers to death for you.

            And we do not climb into Syria. We are more concerned with Iran.


            And you wouldn’t have to go to Iran, then your worries will be reduced.
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 13 May 2013 17: 13
        +2
        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        I still believe that the lives of our own citizens are somewhat more expensive to us than even partnership with Russia.

        I still believe that the lives of our citizens are somewhat more expensive than even a partnership with Israel.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 17: 18
          -8
          I still believe that the lives of our citizens are somewhat more expensive than even a partnership with Israel.

          Having sided with Assad, Russia turned almost all Arab countries against itself. This is a reflection on the safety of your citizens.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 13 May 2013 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            Having sided with Assad, Russia turned almost all Arab countries against itself.

            Russia defends its interests.
            All these revolutions were initiated - not by Russia, but against - by Russia.
            You need to slow down.
          2. AlexW
            AlexW 13 May 2013 20: 43
            +6
            Speaking on Assad’s side, Russia turned almost all Arab countries against itself

            In your opinion, Israel bombing Syria, speaking out against Assad became immediately loved and respected in all Arab countries? What do your Palestinian brothers say about this? Did the Egyptians bring flowers and sweets to the Israeli embassy? And how is it in Libya? Pro-American sixes like Qatar are not the whole Arab world.
          3. Oleg Rosskiyy
            Oleg Rosskiyy 13 May 2013 22: 41
            +6
            This grandmother wondered for two more. After the last "maneuvers" of your and the Anglo-Saxon prime ministers to Moscow, the Arab countries will ponder what these so-called Western hegemons really are. At the expense of all a-slave countries, it seems that only one is left that is not subject to the West - Syria, and because of this it suffers by the way, so it is not opposed to Russia, and for us it is very important, because of all the Arab countries it is the only one - the Fighter, and the rest cropped, devoid of sovereignty shelupon.
            1. lev1759
              lev1759 14 May 2013 00: 50
              0
              Bravo !!! A worthy answer! goodJoin us!
          4. krest.ros
            krest.ros 13 May 2013 23: 45
            +2
            How to say. Tomorrow it is not known how these Arab countries will behave in the event of positive changes on the political front. Iran and Kurds - our stabilization fund in the Arab countries!
      3. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 13 May 2013 17: 49
        +1
        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        I still believe that the lives of our own citizens are somewhat more expensive to us than even partnership with Russia.

        What kind of pathos speech, i.e. the war will not take life?) fellow This is the logic.) laughing
      4. Oleg Rosskiyy
        Oleg Rosskiyy 13 May 2013 22: 26
        +3
        It may be simple for Israelis to care about each other, only your BBC asks for permission and receives advice not from you, but from his overseas puppeteers.
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 31
        +1
        Quote: Tourist Breakfast
        I still believe that the lives of our own citizens are somewhat more expensive to us than even partnership with Russia.


        Then it would be logical to assume that you will begin to cherish them ?? Maybe in this case it is not worth pursuing an aggressive policy towards neighboring states? And then your citizens are dying for unnatural reasons, from explosions and bullets ...
      6. politruk419
        politruk419 14 May 2013 07: 13
        +1
        And this is your only thesis with which practically everyone will agree here. So it should be ideally.
        But to save the lives of their fellow citizens, they will no longer allow you to bomb Syria. We will not allow it. We’ll have to somehow solve our problems with Hezbollah on the territory of its deployment in Lebanon. And preferably with counterterrorism methods (Mossad, agents, targeted mopping up of militants) and not with bombing of Syrian Army facilities.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 13 May 2013 17: 01
    +4
    > And what can a friend of Bashar al-Assad offer to Russia, apart from debts and spoiled relations with all Arab countries?

    Friendship. And the friendship of the Syrians is much more than the friendship + technology of the Israelis because of the geostrategic location. Syria is essentially OUR advanced and our shield. Significant problems in Syria can significantly affect the situation in our country. And even though Israel burns with a blue flame, Russia is neither cold nor hot from this.

    I'm not saying that the friend of our enemy cannot be our friend.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 17: 05
      0
      Friendship. And the friendship of the Syrians is much more than the friendship + technology of the Israelis because of the geostrategic location.


      Friendship must be confirmed by some deeds, don't you find? Judging by deeds, Syria is more a friend of Iran.
      Yes, and what is interesting about the "geostrategic position" (c) of Syria so much different from Israel?
      1. elmir15
        elmir15 13 May 2013 17: 43
        +7
        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        Friendship must be confirmed by some deeds, don't you find?

        Israel reiterated its "friendship" by supplying arms to Georgia and continues to supply. Then why are you indignant at our deliveries of S-300 to Syria? You can, but we can't?
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 14 May 2013 14: 17
        0
        not much different, but ......... BUT Syria is an independent country, and Israel is a sex slave to the United States ..... like something with a "down" handle ....... ..
    2. _Siberian_
      13 May 2013 17: 25
      +3
      It is unlikely that the Yankees and their "squires" have shown such keen interest in Syria simply because democratic values ​​in a single country are so important to them, nope ...
      Syria is the transit and distribution hubs of energy carriers in its region.
      Now, transit prices through Syria depend on the prices of utilities in the southern part of Europe, and transit control will strangle Iran.
      And plyulat amer on the death of women and children, for the sake of the "valve" you can still go wrong, especially with the hands of Israel and Turkey
  • evfrat
    evfrat 13 May 2013 17: 09
    11
    When I hear how Israel helps in the competition with the Jewish mafia De Beers, tears of tenderness are welling up. Especially considering who owns Alrosa.
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  • Larus
    Larus 13 May 2013 17: 55
    +4
    This is what you have with all the excellent relations there)))) You will definitely play out in your omnipotence to do whatever you want from behind the "world community" and its jackals.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 17
    +4
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast

    And what can friend Bashar Assad have to offer Russia, except for debts and spoiled relations with all Arab countries?


    Qatar is not all Arab countries. Bashar al-Assad may not offer anything, Syria will propose in his person.

    You have a one-sided concept of friendship. Friendship is when you have nothing to pay for a good attitude towards the country. And you are here about technology with precious stones ... yes, spitting is not worth it.

    Not everything in the world for money.
  • Rink
    Rink 14 May 2013 23: 59
    +1
    Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
    And what can friend Bashar Assad have to offer Russia, except for debts and spoiled relations with all Arab countries?

    Yes fuck us all the Arab countries with your Israel together? !!!
    They are not worth Syria alone! What are these Arab countries good for? to betrayal, to have a Yankee suck a lollipop? And Israel is better than what it brought to the world except continuous wars and blood? !!
    Honestly - NOBODY will cry if there is no such country on the world map.
    There are some advanced technologies there - not one engineer, he will develop another. There are no problems, there are no irreplaceable ones.
    Arab countries themselves will creep up relations to restore.
    But real friendship is expensive, and nothing can replace it.

    However, for those who have a habit of valuing everything for bucks and shekels in their blood, who think only of momentary benefits, who are used to selling and betraying - DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT. No matter how much they explain.
    Not given.
    The breed is just like that, rotten through and through ...


    _____

    PS News: Tunisia requested permission to open its embassy in Damascus.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 13 May 2013 16: 03
    +8
    politics is a matter of deliberation and a delicate approach. The main priority and goals are the well-being and security of the state.
    It's time to adopt the methods of "partners" - we smile, promise cooperation and we ourselves continue to carefully, through third parties, bend our line and defend our interests. And we answer harshly to tax.
    Russia is not the United States. The interests of the Jews are not worth a lot.
    The article correctly says that Israel has nothing to offer - gas is generally some kind of fantastic humiliating proposal, innovation ??? Chubais alone is enough for us, but seriously no one will ever give up really valuable, strategic technologies. Will try to cram unprofitable
    But there is one thing - the United States is behind Israel. Whoever says that, but the States will not miss the chance to put pressure, strike, and damage Russia through Israel. We are waiting for the results of the meeting ..... in any case, Netanyahu will dodge like in a frying pan to buy (or cheat) GDP.
    1. Roll
      Roll 13 May 2013 16: 17
      +6
      Israel has something to offer Pu. For example, to give out the so-called political emigrants, for example, Nevzlen, the security of the accounts of our officials, Yes, there is much more, then Israel can not only offer, but also put pressure on it quite strongly, I think there is a lot of compromising evidence on him in our government.
      1. domovoi
        domovoi 13 May 2013 16: 19
        +7
        and the Jewish lobby in Russia is much stronger than you think.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 May 2013 16: 28
      10
      Quote: JonnyT
      Russia is not the United States. The interests of the Jews are not worth a lot.


      Do not flatter yourself, Dmitry Medvedev - for example, a Jew, his mother Julia Veniaminovna - 100% Jewish, his wife Svetlana, nee Linnik, is also Jewish.

      The chief rabbi of Russia, Berel Lazar, recently announced that he met with Fradkov Mikhail Efimovich (director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation) and that he is positive about Judaism and contributes to the development of the Jewish community in Russia. Yes, and much more, so the Israeli government has support in Russia, there is.



      But Israel will crush Syria, as I understand it, Hezbollah, which Assad fed watered and which sold him himself, Jews will not forgive him.



      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 16: 45
        +4
        But Israel will crush Syria, as I understand it, Hezbollah, which Assad fed watered and which sold him himself, Jews will not forgive him.


        You are obviously talking about Palestinian Hamas. Hezbollah - Lebanese Shiites and they are fighting for Assad.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 May 2013 18: 16
          +9
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          Are you obviously talking about Palestinian Hamas


          For me, all the Arabs are selling skins, the foreman told me how the local "allies" in Egypt sold them to the Israelis both wholesale and retail
      2. Melchakov
        Melchakov 13 May 2013 16: 48
        -6
        Quote: Vadivak
        Dmitry Medvedev - for example, a Jew

        Let us suppose...
        Quote: Vadivak
        Chief Rabbi of Russia Berel Lazar

        Quote: Vadivak
        that he is positive towards Judaism and contributes to the development of the Jewish community in Russia

        Class. Jews say the government is Jewish. Do you even believe in it yourself? It’s the same that the robbers will notify their victims before reporting.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 May 2013 18: 18
          +4
          Quote: Melchakov
          lass. Jews say the government is Jewish.


          You are not in the subject
      3. JonnyT
        JonnyT 13 May 2013 17: 06
        11
        Quote: Vadivak
        Yes, and much more, so the Israeli government has support in Russia, there is.

        What is true is true, but the situation is not in favor of the Jewish community. Too much is at stake, and above all, is the well-being of Russian Jews. Israel is Israel, and Russia is Russia, each country has its own interests and they do not coincide on the Syrian issue. Of course, their own and their own can always agree, but if Russia makes concessions to Syria, this will mean weakness, fatal weakness, and after all, the Olympics are just around the corner. Putin's rating will be lower than the plinth, but he cannot allow this. All the events taking place in the Middle East, Putin uses to concentrate power in his hands. Gos. it is already forbidden for employees and their families to have accounts abroad - a clear signal also to Jews .... Based on everything, I can conclude that Russian Jews will not support their Israeli counterparts - too much can be lost
        Of course I’ve set out chaotically, but I hope you understand my point of view
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        2. Suhov
          Suhov 13 May 2013 17: 21
          +2
          Quote: JonnyT
          Of course I’ve set out chaotically, but I hope you understand my point of view

          Everything is clear, on the shelves.
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 May 2013 18: 34
          10
          Quote: JonnyT
          Putin's rating will be lower than the plinth, but he cannot allow this.


          Vote, forget how she drowned and vote.
  • Roll
    Roll 13 May 2013 16: 03
    +1
    am Russia does not need to get into conflict, there is someone to stand up for Syria Hehbola Iran. Now it is planned to create two blocks of Iran, Syria and the rest. Weapons need to be sold and not necessarily directly, it is possible through Jordan, and old weapons can be delivered on the basis of the Land Liz principle.
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 13 May 2013 16: 17
      +4
      Jordan is dancing to the tune of the Jews. but through the Caspian Sea to Iran - even send poplar-m wink
    2. _Siberian_
      13 May 2013 16: 36
      +6
      Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran.
      Who's next?
      Syria itself will not stand, help is needed!
      If we betray our allies even longer, then soon all will turn their backs on us. And without allies, we will not stand if pressed!
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 13 May 2013 16: 10
    +5
    I don’t understand how you can be both for Assad and against Putin? I appeal to fellow commentators. Putin can protect Assad and Syria, but you hate him, but at the same time hold Assad, while forgetting that only thanks to Putin and Lavrov Assad is in power and still alive. YES YOU PRAY MUST PUTIN, if you worry about Syria and Assad !!!

    I personally, just like you hold Assad and Syria, I also supported Gaddafi for 2 years (it’s a pity that he was leaked, but he was leaked by Medvedev and not Putin).
    and now it doesn’t fit in my head how one can be simultaneously FOR ASADA AND AGAINST PUTIN. HOW ??? sad what request
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 May 2013 16: 33
      16
      Quote: djon3volta
      YES YOU PRAY MUST PUTIN,


      You are more careful, as they say, do not make yourself an idol, but you have no God but Putin, and Medvedev is his prophet.
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    2. Serush
      Serush 13 May 2013 16: 34
      +3
      As well as defending Putin, scolding Medvedev ....
    3. KOMPLEKT
      KOMPLEKT 13 May 2013 16: 57
      -2
      Putin doesn’t protect Assad, not you, not the Russian Federation, but only himself. The children simply stupid from impatience in Libya and showed their essence to the Gaddafi family, which from the third time (Saddam, Milosevic, Muammar) even came to the fore what to expect.
      2years ago, for "penny" against the current background of investments, it was possible to avoid thousands of killed and return a reliable ally.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 13 May 2013 17: 06
        +9
        Quote: KOMPLEKT
        that from the third time (Saddam, Milosevic, Muammar) even reached the end of what to expect.

        you say directly, but don’t hint that Russia would be bombed like Libya, Iraq, Serbia and Putin were torn apart? Your gut is thin so that you can do such things with Russia angry the maximum that you are able to punish in the swamp with rainbow flags and get a baton on the hump from the riot police. angry
        1. KOMPLEKT
          KOMPLEKT 13 May 2013 17: 48
          +1
          Quote: djon3volta
          you just say, but don’t hint - that you would bomb Russia

          I speak directly !!!
          Nobody would bomb Russia, but simply drop oil prices.
          Look for the January 2009 videos. when the oil for $ 60 left (as in the joke: "who are you, a mouse, why are your eyes so big ..."
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 May 2013 17: 53
            +2
            Gone. And what was catastrophic in this? Have you been looking for bread in a landfill?
            1. KOMPLEKT
              KOMPLEKT 13 May 2013 18: 01
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Gone. And what was catastrophic in this? Have you been looking for bread in a landfill?

              And what happened in the 90s? Almost the same scenario.
              Winter 2008-spring 2009 in our area there were simply no vacancies for 5t.r. not for 50t.r.Economy just got up, they didn’t build, they didn’t carry, they didn’t buy, etc.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 May 2013 18: 20
                +2
                Something you are powerfully lying. "In our area" - where is it? You understand, I live in Russia, I have no need to hang up noodles about this, it is troublesome and ineffectual.
          2. Nitup
            Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 03
            0
            Well then, do not drop? Just payments for oil in dollars. High price - more dollars in circulation. So now dropping oil prices is not beneficial to anyone.
            1. KOMPLEKT
              KOMPLEKT 13 May 2013 18: 11
              +1
              Quote: Nitup
              Well then, do not drop?


              Well, if you still slept I explain:
              They have been working on this for a dozen years ...
              Take control of the oil-producing states (Libya, Iraq) remained Iran and Venezuela.
              Even Iran alone is enough to temporarily drop oil, move the Russian Federation out of the European markets, and the little hewer will run helpfully asking what sir.
              1. Nitup
                Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 19
                +3
                No one will run anywhere. They had control over the Saudis and this was enough for them in the 80s to drop prices, and now Iraq has been added to Libya. And something will not be dropped. And they just run to Vovochka, beg not to deliver S-300 to Syria. So only you sleep here, in my opinion.
                1. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 13 May 2013 18: 26
                  +6
                  Quote: Nitup
                  And they just run to Vovochka, beg not to deliver S-300 to Syria.


                  And he didn’t put them, did he?
                  1. Nitup
                    Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 34
                    -1
                    Lavrov said that under the previously concluded contract, the delivery of S-300 systems is being carried out. There will be no new contracts, but the old one will be executed.
                2. KOMPLEKT
                  KOMPLEKT 13 May 2013 18: 28
                  +4
                  Quote: Nitup
                  And they just run to Vovochka, beg not to deliver S-300 to Syria.


                  And why not beg if it really turns out
                  (neither in Iran, nor in Syria they are still there.)
                  And why are they still not delivered then?
                  1. Nitup
                    Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 35
                    +1
                    How do you know that no.
                    1. Vadivak
                      Vadivak 13 May 2013 20: 32
                      +7
                      Quote: Nitup
                      How do you know that no.


                      Look at the map, Syria 185,2 thousand square meters. km The territory controlled by bandits is about half, which means 90 square meters. km and given the capabilities of the Mossad and the phenomenal venality of the Arabs, everyone would have already seen photos of these S-000
                      1. Nitup
                        Nitup 13 May 2013 21: 31
                        -1
                        You exaggerate everything
                      2. Vadivak
                        Vadivak 13 May 2013 22: 18
                        +4
                        Quote: Nitup
                        You exaggerate everything


                        I know what kind of intelligence Israel has, we had it under Sudoplatov
                  2. AlexW
                    AlexW 13 May 2013 20: 55
                    +1
                    How do you know that no
                    IMHO is therefore frequent, as the finger on the button "Start" keeps our calculation, and not Assad's
              2. KOMPLEKT
                KOMPLEKT 13 May 2013 18: 30
                +1
                Quote: Nitup
                No one will run anywhere. They had control over the Saudis and this was enough for them in the 80s to drop prices, and now Iraq has been added to Libya. And something will not be dropped.

                Because all good tends to end.
                So the Saudis with oil became taut.
                1. Nitup
                  Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 37
                  +1
                  Not gone. As long as they are doing well, they are not in poverty. And keep in mind the almost gratuitous Libyan and Iraqi oil.
              3. Arkan
                Arkan 13 May 2013 18: 45
                10
                Quote: Nitup
                They had control over the Saudis and it was enough for them in the 80s to drop prices, and now Libya has added Iraq

                Smiled. Russia just has to pour into the Internet misinformation about "the appearance of nuclear weapons in Iran" and oil prices will fly into space. And if Russia decides to secretly supply Iran with these weapons - Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel simply will not, and together with them and a lot of problems (including the one you are talking about).
                1. Nitup
                  Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 52
                  +2
                  You read carefully my comments. I don’t see a problem in this, unlike my opponent.
                  1. Arkan
                    Arkan 13 May 2013 20: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: Nitup
                    You read carefully my comments. I don’t see a problem in this, unlike my opponent.

                    Sorry, I was really not careful.
                2. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Arkan
                  And if Russia decides to secretly supply Iran with these weapons -


                  It is unlikely. It is not necessary. Iran itself is able to acquire nuclear weapons and ships have everything for this, it is not in vain that they tested a uranium charge in Korea, and not plutonium which Korea acquired for a long time.

                  Quote: Arkan
                  Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel simply will not, and with them a host of problems (including the one you are talking about).


                  Iran, as well as the entire Middle East, will not be. At the same time, the whole world will not become :) ... the only possible option in which Iran has nuclear weapons is a UN resolution, which is unlikely.
                  1. Arkan
                    Arkan 14 May 2013 01: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Geisenberg
                    Iran, as well as the entire Middle East, will not be. At the same time, the whole world will not be :)

                    Not a fact! Energy resources are already lacking, and after the destruction of the oil-producing regions of Saudi Arabia, etc. the deficit will become colossal, in this situation, to destroy Iran ... - for Europe this means depriving Russia of the problem of dividing the Caspian with this country and remaining completely dependent on Gazprom. Well, they cannot be so stupid. And it will be too difficult for NATO to fight with Russia for Siberia (or the Arctic) without Middle Eastern oil - it is easier to appoint an "extreme" from among the "ceased to be alive" and start negotiations ... Well, I also cannot imagine a European politician who will tell his voters that " it's time to go to Moscow ... because Iran bombed Israel and Qatar ... ". smile
                  2. Arkan
                    Arkan 14 May 2013 01: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Geisenberg
                    Iran itself is able to acquire nuclear weapons and ships around it have everything for this

                    But such a device is not easy enough to assemble - it needs to be tested (as well as delivery vehicles), as well as to accumulate the necessary stock ... I think the fact of nuclear weapons testing is the "red line" that the United States is talking about and with which the Jews do not agree In this situation, it would be easier for Iran to buy something ready-made, tested ...
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 May 2013 18: 25
              +5
              Yeah. The other day, they tried to completely block Iran’s export flows, replacing its hydrocarbons in the market.
              And the fake came out.
              Iran alone is enough to bring down the European economy and put America on the brink of collapse. because he’s still not bombed.

              And you tell all tales. They happened once with the USSR in the era of cheap oil. Unfortunately for both yours and the Americans, those blessed times have passed.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 May 2013 18: 24
          +4
          Quote: KOMPLEKT
          when $ 60 oil is gone


          Correct anything?

          December 31, 2008 The value of February futures for WTI during electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) on the morning of December 31 fell by $ 0,53 to $ 38,50 per barrel.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 13 May 2013 18: 47
    +8
    Quote: djon3volta
    while forgetting that only thanks to Putin and Lavrov Assad in power and still alive.

    Nonsense is complete! Assad in power thanks to the support of the Syrian people!
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 55
      +6
      This is not bullshit. If Russia did not veto the resolution, the fate of Gaddafi Assad would be ensured. Is not it so?
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 14 May 2013 00: 49
        +1
        Quote: Nitup
        This is not bullshit. If Russia did not veto the resolution, the fate of Gaddafi Assad would be ensured. Is not it so?


        If the Russian Federation knew how this resolution would be implemented, then it would not have been. The colonel would still show the "goat" to Qatar and other shushara, but in Syria there would not have been two years of a terrorist war for American money.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 14 May 2013 01: 24
          0
          You confuse resolutions
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    4. djon3volta
      djon3volta 13 May 2013 20: 35
      -1
      Quote: nycsson
      Assad in power thanks to the support of the Syrian people!

      and Putin, thanks to the high price of oil in your understanding? laughing oil voted for Putin in March 2012, 4, or are people still alive? do you like to sing it when the opportunity arises. If China and Russia had not vetoed the UN, then jackals would have been ironed by a motley bunch. But Russia and China would not have allowed repeat this trick, as with Libya.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 13 May 2013 21: 00
        0
        Quote: djon3volta
        and Putin, thanks to the high price of oil in your understanding?

        And what's funny? The way it is. Look at Russia in numbers, how much and what we produce.
        Quote: djon3volta
        oil voted for Putin in 2012 4 March, or all the same living people?

        Of course, living people.
        Quote: djon3volta
        but Russia and China did not allow this trick to be repeated, as with Libya.

        At first glance, the way it is.
      2. Nitup
        Nitup 13 May 2013 21: 37
        +1
        The most interesting is the tales about oil allegedly more expensive since 2000. And how many times the dollar has inflated, that is, depreciated over the years, for some reason they do not say. So, the price of oil rose by about 3 times, and the dollar depreciated at least five times. It turns out that oil has fallen in price.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 14 May 2013 02: 23
          -1
          Quote: Nitup
          The most interesting is the tales about oil allegedly more expensive since 2000. And how many times did the dollar


          Brad.

          The price of the dollar in 2000 is 28 rubles, now it is 31 with a penny. Inflation - 12-13% for 13 years.

          Oil in 2000 fluctuated, the maximum was about $ 30, now it is 102. The growth is at least 340%.

          1. Nitup
            Nitup 14 May 2013 07: 54
            0
            You are confusing concepts. And here are the exchange rates? I’m talking about dollar inflation, about raising prices for everything, i.e. about the depreciation of money.
            1. Rrv
              Rrv 14 May 2013 10: 07
              0
              For the economy of loan interest, inflation of 1-3 percent is the norm - otherwise there will simply be nothing to repay the loans. The dollar is becoming cheaper in a natural way, for this economic model, by an average of 3% annually in the United States itself. Even if the inflation calculation error is 100%, it turns out that the dollar has fallen in price (i.e. lost its purchasing power) by 13% over 80 years, and oil has risen by at least 260%.
              The trend is still towards a rise in oil prices, and the dollar is becoming cheaper at the pace it should.
              1. Nitup
                Nitup 14 May 2013 10: 28
                0
                In the USA, yes, inflation is low, but in the rest of the world, where the dollar mass is constantly pouring in, without producing real products, the dollar is becoming much cheaper
                1. Rrv
                  Rrv 14 May 2013 11: 46
                  0
                  This does not mean anything: for example, if we compare the nominal GDP of the Russian Federation with the GDP at PPP, it is clear that the ruble against the dollar is currently artificially undervalued by 40%, so what? The dollar against the ruble can fluctuate from 23 to 36 rubles per "cabbage leaf", while the PPP shows that the inflation of the dollar in the Russian Federation is on average 1% per year.
      3. YuDDP
        YuDDP 13 May 2013 23: 00
        +1
        Quote: djon3volta
        oil voted for Putin in 2012 4 March, or all the same living people?

        even my 80-year-old mother spat when she saw buses with "live people" out the window, approaching the school where the voting was taking place.
        Ask a question: why did Veshnyakov change to Churov in 2007?
        And the second question: what did Churov do that on January 24, 2012, three "tame" factions of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party and "Fair Russia" introduced a draft resolution on no confidence in Churov
        And, of course, "living people" voted, not even once. Who can argue with that ...
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 13 May 2013 23: 26
          +1
          Well, of course, that’s how we all believed it. And I saw how people brought up the bus to vote for the Communist Party, and so what?
  • domovoi
    domovoi 13 May 2013 16: 13
    +2
    Yes, the situation, of course, has escalated. But I feel that the Russian government will wet the pants again and will not trample against the United States, Turkey and Israel combined. And rightly so, because why increase the pace of arms supplies to the army - it’s better to hold an Olympiad ... In general, the situation is serious ..
    1. rsnv
      rsnv 13 May 2013 17: 45
      +5
      the government of the Russian Federation is never against
  • Nitup
    Nitup 13 May 2013 16: 13
    +2
    Yes, it seems, Lavrov has already said that Russia is fulfilling the previously concluded contract, and here again the article: they will put the S-300 or not decide
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 13 May 2013 16: 42
      +4
      Quote: Nitup
      Yes, it seems, Lavrov has already said that Russia is fulfilling the previously concluded contract, and here again the article: they will put the S-300 or not decide


      If within three months, then I am afraid that this is the same as never. Account goes to the clock!
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 05
        0
        Lavrov never once spoke of three months. This is a duck from the media.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 13 May 2013 18: 29
          +1
          Quote: Nitup
          Lavrov never once spoke of three months. This is a duck from the media.


          I would be extremely glad if in the air defense of Syria ALREADY S-300 complexes were on the database.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 May 2013 18: 30
      +3
      Quote: Nitup
      Lavrov already said


      He said it doesn’t mean done, we’ll see what will happen
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 13 May 2013 18: 40
        -2
        Lavrov said - Lavrov did (or rather, Putin). Such a layout.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 May 2013 20: 38
          +4
          Quote: Nitup
          Lavrov said - Lavrov did (or rather, Putin). Such a layout.


          In Russia there is a saying, don’t say gop until you jump over
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 13 May 2013 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        He said it doesn’t mean done, we’ll see what will happen

        That's it. Ours have a clear discrepancy between words and deeds.
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 13 May 2013 16: 15
    +2
    Quote: Tersky
    Turkey and Israel will need an "iron international alibi" to justify the invasion of Syria. Count on the UN in this sense is not necessary

    Recent terrorist attack shows what Turkey is capable of invading Syria
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 13 May 2013 16: 16
    +6
    I don’t know what this cunning Jew is counting on, but the article clearly says that Russia will not abandon its geopolitical ally (Syria), since much is at stake, i.e. all. Not only invested funds in databases and stuff, but also the integrity and independence of our country.
    But he really wants to finish off Syria, then to attack Iran.
    And behind Iran, as if on a knurled ladder, these "liberators from tyranny" will pour into Russia. The question is, why don't we need this Benya, I think none of us wants to develop a scenario of bloodshed according to the scenario of Libya and Syria. Pendal up his ass, and let him roll to his owners, lick his ass. Either they are naive, or they hold us for the balwans; only Israel can cut the branch on which you sit.
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 13 May 2013 16: 23
      +4
      in fact, everything is simpler - it’s worth ruining the United States (inciting war in Mexico, sabotage within the country, supporting all kinds of terrorists, maniacs, supplying modern weapons to the drug mafia, everything is anonymous of course), as the problems with the Cathars and Israel will disappear by themselves, because there will be no patron. Well, Turkey will have to tinker, but this is a solved problem.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 13 May 2013 16: 41
        -3
        Quote: domovoi
        support of all kinds of terrorists, maniacs, supply of modern weapons

        Victor Bout was doing just that, so the Americans captured him. He secretly supplied weapons to the Sandinists from Nicaragua, who are fighting American imperialism.
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 13 May 2013 17: 02
          +3
          Well, everyone is wrong. all the more so at operations of this level. but Nicaragua is one thing, and if you dig an ant hill inside the country so that they really have worries, and to sow fear and chaos among citizens is another
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 May 2013 20: 51
          +6
          Quote: djon3volta
          Victor Bout was doing just that, so the Americans captured him. He secretly supplied weapons to the Sandinists from Nicaragua, to


          Did Viktor tell you this? He escaped from Russia in 1990 (and left citizenship that scouts never do), it’s easy for a translator of military transport aircraft to get used to Africa
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 May 2013 22: 21
      +1
      Quote: Sirocco
      the article clearly states that Russia will not abandon its geopolitical ally (Syria),


      The article is like a fence, everyone writes what he wants, let's see, there is little left
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 13 May 2013 16: 19
    +3
    I believe that it is enough to scatter allies (and not the worst), or Yugoslavia has not taught us anything. Yes, how much you can let this trash shit in our garden. Jokes are jokes, but the fate of the whole world is decided in Syria! Amer and their lackeys on the verge of utter n ..... a.
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 13 May 2013 16: 26
      +2
      this is not Stalin, with an independent economy and a gold reserve. what do we have now - the Central Bank of the Russian Federation belongs to the United States, the Russian elite keeps money in Western banks, the 5th column is actively spoiling ... how can such a strong opponent be confronted in such conditions? except to declare martial law and quickly solve all problems so that you can focus on external problems.
  • maksuta
    maksuta 13 May 2013 16: 21
    0
    Sochi is ahead, but here, even with the devil, you’ll have to talk.
  • tarks
    tarks 13 May 2013 16: 25
    +1
    But they will be. But only some undercover feint with ears can help here, alas.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 13 May 2013 16: 25
    +2
    The only important thing that Syria has to offer is faithfulness to the undertaken obligations, and we actually do not have them. It inspires respect with what self-sacrifice it fulfills.
  • Roll
    Roll 13 May 2013 16: 27
    +2
    wassat And yet, the Amer’s plan is understandable, curbing the Muslim threat, instead of the states of Iraq, Libya, Iran, Syria, there’s someone else next in line to create a territory where Arabs will fight each other under the supervision of Israel and the Saudis. But the question is, is it not profitable for us? The oil price will be stably high, and the arms market too. But China is not soaring about this, and even cooler than us. And to us, what is needed most. Then friendship with the Arab countries is unstable. They were friends with Egypt, then the president changed and there is no friendship. And where is the guarantee that it will be different with Syria.
  • ale-x
    ale-x 13 May 2013 16: 32
    +1
    Such peppers do not just go to "guests". If they are going, they want to bargain for something and are sure of the success of the event, the idea that there are levers of pressure on the political and business elite is 100% correct.
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 13 May 2013 16: 35
    +3
    On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted a Resolution according to which British troops were to leave Palestine on May 15, 1948, and create Jewish and Arab states on its divided territory. Arabs refused to make this decision. And then, not yet waiting for the Resolution to enter into force in order to proactively show who the owner of the “future home” was, on April 9, 1948, Jews staged a massacre in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. And a few hours before the departure of the British - and not even waiting for him! - May 14, 1948 formed the state of Israel.

    “The past cannot be crossed out because the present is not like it, and the fact remains: despite the fact that the Soviet Union subsequently turned so violently against us, the Soviet recognition of Israel on May 18 was of great importance to us. This meant that for the first time after the second World War II, the two greatest powers came to an agreement on the support of the Jewish state, and although we were in mortal danger, at least we knew that we were not alone.From this consciousness - and from this dire necessity - we learned that if not material, but moral strength that led us to victory "

    From the recollections of Golda Meir, the first ambassador of Israel in Moscow and, subsequently, the Prime Minister of Israel


    At a session of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on December 29, 1955, Nikita Khrushchev declared that "the actions of the State of Israel, which from the first days of its existence began to threaten its neighbors and pursue an unfriendly policy, are worthy of condemnation."
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 13 May 2013 16: 51
    0
    But Israel and Turkey will finish off Russia.
  • sergey d
    sergey d 13 May 2013 17: 06
    -2
    Take Syria to Russia as Abkhazia and South Ossetia
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 13 May 2013 20: 56
      +3
      Quote: sergey d
      Take Syria to Russia as Abkhazia and South Ossetia


      to accept Syria, you need a corresponding appeal from the leaders of Syria and a referendum, without appeal and referendum, how do you imagine this accession, imagine. Explain ?!
  • orff
    orff 13 May 2013 17: 11
    +2
    Today there was information that the S-300 is already on Syrian soil.
    "The American resource WND claims that Russian medium-range S-300 missile systems were delivered to Syria last week, a source in the Arab intelligence services told reporters. White House spokesman Jay Carney said that the US presidential administration is disappointed with continued Russian support. the Syrian regime. "
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 13 May 2013 17: 17
    +4
    Another nonsense. Neither Turkey nor Israel are objectively interested in overthrowing the Assad regime, since understand that dealing with him is much easier than with a bunch of gangs of thugs from all over the world, who flocked there like crows to the smell of blood and money. It is not excluded, of course, that both Turkey and Israel can conduct military operations of a limited scale in order to prevent modern weapons systems and weapons of mass destruction from getting into the crazy hands of bandits in the regions stationed adjacent to these countries. At the same time, the Turks can seize the opportunity to hit once again on their "favorite" Kurds and other bandits who are shelling Turkey from Syria. And that's all. A full-scale aggression by these countries against areas controlled by government forces in Syria is unlikely. And references to the 60s and 70s do not "dance" here. Then the situation was completely different. And then they ruled it badly poorly. Of course in Israel they understand that without Assad, Hezbollah in Lebanon would have ordered a long life long ago. But they never used Hezbollah's support from Syria as a pretext for a new war with Syria. And they don't use it now. Silence covered the convoy with missiles for Hezbollah. And Syria will not get into a fight because of this. Will make noise, make noise and calm down. She would now somehow solve her internal problems.
    1. svp67
      svp67 13 May 2013 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: gregor6549
      Another stupid thing. Neither Turkey nor Israel are objectively interested in the overthrow of the Assad regime

      Yes and no
      Yes - I agree, unstable, and worse than that, they did not need Syria that joined radical Islam;
      No - if these countries can get or raise their protégé, then why not be interested in his exaltation
      1. Toit
        Toit 13 May 2013 18: 23
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        No - if these countries can get or raise their protégé, then why not be interested in his exaltation

        There is another option, to knock the link out of the Iran-Syria-Hizbal chain, this is very beneficial for Israel, and Turkey may lose all its problems with the Kurds, giving them the possession of northeast Syria. and recognizing it in an compartment with northwestern Iraq as an independent state. IMHO
        1. AlexW
          AlexW 13 May 2013 22: 22
          +1
          IMHO Israil easier to control warring gangs of poorly armed Muslims than to fight the organized army of Assad. Israel is creating a "wild field" at its borders. It does not need highly organized states at its borders. Divide and conquer principle.
    2. Toit
      Toit 13 May 2013 18: 46
      +2
      Quote: gregor6549
      Neither Turkey nor Israel are objectively interested in the overthrow of the Assad regime

      I do not agree, I described the possible benefits to both Israel and Turkey above
      Quote: gregor6549
      understand that dealing with him is much easier than with a bunch of gangs of thugs from all over the world


      Throughout my 15 year service, we are preparing for a possible war precisely with Syria, since until recently it had a very strong army, the potential losses in battles against militants are not comparable to those in a war with a regular army.
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 13 May 2013 19: 18
        +8
        Be prepared for war and want to fight two big differences.
        Israel formally has been at war with many neighbors since its formal formation as a state, and therefore it does not want to be, but is forced to be prepared not for a formal but for a real war.
        At the same time, the readiness for war and the desire to fight are two big differences. Moreover, as far as I am aware, Israel is very sensitive to its losses and counts its soldiers by the piece, while the lives of many of its opponents are often not worth a dime. Let us recall at least the war between Iran and Iraq in the not so distant past and how many hundreds of thousands of its soldiers were laid in the ground by each of the warring parties. And she put it down for a sniff of tobacco. So what? Something I do not remember that Iran or Iran strongly lamented about this. Therefore, it is possible and necessary to "insert" Israel for its "overly" free interpretation of international law (why in this case Israel does not try to strike at the beginning of the chain through which weapons are supplied to Hezboll, i.e. Russia, China, Korea, Pakistan, Iran, etc. and see what will come of it, if there is nothing left to watch), but to see in his "preemptive" strikes on Syria a desire to overthrow the regimes in neighboring countries is also "too much".
        I must admit, however, that the preemptive strike strategy is not an invention of Israel. Such a strategy was the basis of the military doctrine of many states, including the USSR. Moreover, in the USSR it was taken as a basis even in the pre-war era as a reaction to the strategy of such attacks adopted in Nazi Germany and remained such until the collapse of the USSR, although a slightly different strategy was presented to the general public, i.e. not a preemptive but retaliatory strike.
  • Gamal
    Gamal 13 May 2013 17: 18
    +7
    Here they are the world's main fighters for democracy: one Nobel Peace Laureate who has not stopped a single war, and who gave the order to bomb Libya. The second, faithful servant of the Amers (although it is not yet known which of them is whose servant, given the Jewish lobby in AI) distinguished himself by his "peacekeeping" special operations in the Middle East, is going to personally come to us in order to persuade V. Putin to refuse military support for Assad ...

    For information: from Putin’s Munich speech (February 10, 2007)
    “Russia, we are constantly being taught about democracy. But those who teach us, for some reason, do not really want to learn themselves.
    Today we are witnessing an almost unchecked, hypertrophied use of force in international affairs - military force - a force that plunges the world into the abyss of conflicts following one after another. As a result, there is not enough strength for a comprehensive solution to any of them. It becomes impossible and their political decision.
    We see an increasing disregard for the fundamental principles of international law. Moreover, there are separate norms, and, in fact, almost the entire system of law of one state, primarily, of course, the United States, has crossed its national borders in all areas: in the economy, in politics, and in the humanitarian sphere it is imposed on others to states. Well, who will like it?
    ... Russia is a country with more than a thousand years of history, and almost always it enjoyed the privilege of pursuing an independent foreign policy. We are not going to change this tradition today. "

    And Bibi was going to persuade this man to give up to the "friends of Syria" the only full-fledged ally of Russia in the Middle East?
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 13 May 2013 19: 33
      +7
      To become a full-fledged ally of Syria, it was necessary to conclude an appropriate agreement with Russia in due time. But it can be seen that such an alliance was not entirely needed by any of the parties, and most likely Russia did not need it. It is one thing to say that it is not good to offend Syria and toss a couple of three tanks, fighters and air defense missile systems along with instructors and advisers to it "for this", and it is quite another thing to send your citizens to die for it. Of course, the line between fighting and advising is very thin here, but it still exists. So, alas, Syria did not pull on a full-fledged ally
  • Nitup
    Nitup 13 May 2013 17: 19
    +1
    Today, on the border with Syria, the Turkish military lost contact with the fighter, reports RT.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 13 May 2013 17: 26
    +4
    Turkish F-16 fighter crashed on the border with Syria. It is reported by the BBC with reference to local media.

    Earlier, the Turkish military command reported the loss of communication with the F-16, which was flying in the south of the country. According to the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet, the pilot managed to shout to the controllers "I'm jumping!" before the plane disappeared from radar.

    top.rbc.ru

    Our operators drove the Syrians away from the air defense control panel and locked themselves in the gearbox? winked
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 13 May 2013 17: 42
      +3
      Not so close!
    2. Arkan
      Arkan 13 May 2013 17: 49
      +2
      Quote: fzr1000
      Our operators drove the Syrians away from the air defense control panel and locked themselves in the gearbox? winked

      No, Syrians pulled rockets out of caches test their air defense laughing "Evil tongues" say that the Jewish UAV was flooded by the owners at sea "due to malfunctions." laughing
  • mojohed
    mojohed 13 May 2013 17: 28
    +1
    I once wrote in comments on Syrian topics that it is necessary to land one or two divisions of marines or airborne forces in Tartus, to cover their air defense, to provide an engineering cover with concrete fortifications. To provide basing at the nearest airfield of the Russian Air Force, entrust the external defense ring to the Syrian troops.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 13 May 2013 17: 43
      +5
      That’s how the dismemberment of the country will begin! It’s clear that after that all the Alawites, Christians (first of all) and possibly some Shiites will move to Tartus.
    2. vadim5720572
      vadim5720572 13 May 2013 22: 20
      0
      , to entrust the outer ring of defense to the Syrian troops. [/ Quote] They will also sell you
  • optimist
    optimist 13 May 2013 17: 44
    +7
    Well, the next "moment of truth" has come for the Russian authorities. It was not in vain that amers and Jews came to Moscow: apparently, they voiced the number of "pieces of silver" for the surrender of Syria. Everything will be decided, most likely, in the next couple of months. Or Russia will really "sign" for Assad, then it may be possible to save him. And if not, the fate of Libya is assured ...
    1. Larus
      Larus 13 May 2013 17: 58
      +6
      If they surrender these too, then the few countries that do not lick Pindosia will finally be pushed out of our orbit and Russia will remain alone with enemies along the country's borders + internal creatures that are openly pursuing an anti-Russian policy.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 13 May 2013 18: 04
        +4
        I absolutely agree! But, apparently, the pressure and intimidation on the President are capital! Let's see who has the stronger Faberge!
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  • evfrat
    evfrat 13 May 2013 18: 08
    +7
    "... Hold your tongue, wicked descendant of the Chaldeans!
    Do not waste words on who will rule Syria! ... "

    ancient wisdom.
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 13 May 2013 18: 18
    0
    Israel and Turkey are allies in the fight against Arab Syria - Erdogan and Netanyahu are addicted to a serious aphrodisiac that blocks memory.
  • Toit
    Toit 13 May 2013 18: 19
    +3
    Turkey, quite in the current state of affairs in the Middle East, can quite afford to strike Syria, especially since after the attacks the official reason appeared, but it seems to me
    that they will do this without direct support from Israel, in my opinion, this is an option when our Air Force will bomb in Syria, and Erdogan will shout against Israel in order to make amends for the fact of cooperation.
    Article plus.
    1. orff
      orff 13 May 2013 18: 44
      +3
      Today, the Turks have already lost F-16 on the border with Syria. One bomber has become less.
  • Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 13 May 2013 18: 24
    +4
    "Russia will not conclude new contracts with Syria, but will fulfill the old ones," Lavrov said slyly smiling, signing another new additional supply agreement under the old agreement smile
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 May 2013 20: 42
      +4
      Quote: Kushadasov
      Russia will not conclude new contracts with Syria, but will fulfill the old ones "-


      Duc was already

      On February 24, 2011, the Russian ship Simbris entered the port of Tripoli. On board were spare parts for the Libyan coast guard vessels and naval air defense. What was vital for Libyan air defense ... A ship with priceless goods could be easily unloaded. The Libyan side was ready to accept and immediately pay for the goods. However, Dmitry Medvedev banned unloading the Russian ship. The command of the ship was ordered to raise the anchor and leave the Libyan port. Only 2 days later, on February 26, in accordance with UN resolution 1870, which Washington sold, were banned the supply of military weapons and materials to Libya
      1. evfrat
        evfrat 13 May 2013 21: 41
        0
        ... "Dmitry Anatolyich and I are friends ..." together to victory ...
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  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 May 2013 18: 28
    +4
    It would not have to finish off Israel and Turkey. In order not to suffer. Israel is already tired of everyone already, a lot of its teeth are being quietly (so far) sharpened. But Turkey began to forget the history of the campaign ... how many times there was a beat, there was no increase in mind, no matter where they did not ask. It would be better if they were engaged in tourism. Both.
    1. YuDDP
      YuDDP 13 May 2013 23: 15
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      It would be better if they were engaged in tourism. Both.

      Israel is not suitable for tourism. Rubber fruits, luxury hotels all inclusive, as in Egypt and Turkey there. So, 2-3 stars. The food is weird ...
      1. Maitre
        Maitre 14 May 2013 09: 50
        0
        Say nonsense ... Just now I was resting in 5 stars in Eidat: everything is included and alcohol is also available 24 hours a day (I really have nothing to do with it, I’m not drinking)
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    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 May 2013 19: 06
      +3
      Quote: Arkan
      American observers (WND resource) claim that the S-300 is already in Syria.


      It’s like Hussein’s chemical weapons, they said there are, and everyone believed the American observers,
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 13 May 2013 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        It’s like Hussein’s chemical weapons, they said there are, and everyone believed the American observers,

        The situations are completely different, and in this case, I would really like the Americans to be right. smile
  • vlad.1924
    vlad.1924 13 May 2013 18: 52
    0
    Everything went according to plan ... Israel began an attack on Syria, Benya was very afraid but did what the United States wanted from him ... Further, according to the scenario, the course of Turkey, which was attacked by Syrian special services ... And the final stage of the military operation to destroy Syria, support the aggression of Israel and Turkey by the NATO bloc, mainly by the European partners of the United States, who are used to "dragging chestnuts out of the fire" for Uncle Sam ... In this situation, they believe in the West, Russia and China will only have to wipe themselves off another spit from their Western partners ... ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 May 2013 19: 00
      +2
      NATO support for Israeli and Turkish aggression

      I have more and more doubts about this support. Rather, these two countries will surrender to the slaughter of democracy. I don’t know in what form ...
  • Rumata
    Rumata 13 May 2013 18: 54
    +4
    It will be very unpleasant for Russia, if the Israeli air force has the ability to jam or safely destroy the S-300, and the basis of the air defense bases of the Russian Federation will prove useless against a high-tech army.
    After that, no one will care about the fact that the S-300 alone could not solve the problem initially, that personnel are needed and much more.
    I’m all for what. If someone has the opportunity to cut down the S-300, then this is Israel or the United States, and given how many possible agents are in Syria, which is in chaos, a couple of complexes can abruptly disappear, it is not clear where it is not clear.
    If we consider that several S-300s still will not save from a serious attack by Israel or NATO, the question arises - what for does Russia need it?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 May 2013 18: 58
      +6
      It will be very unpleasant to find out that half of the Israeli air force will be killed another 200 km from the target, and the remaining half will be riddled with an attempt to approach the targets.
      And Assad is not as simple as painted. Without using his air defense against Israel's solo attacks, he waits for the right moment, while maintaining an unpleasant surprise for installers without a flight zone.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 13 May 2013 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        It will be very unpleasant to find out that half of the Israeli air force will be killed another 200 km from the target, and the remaining half will be riddled with an attempt to approach the targets.

        You make mistakes, but I'm seriously trying to convey the idea. How many agents do the Mossad and the CIA have in Syria? How many of them will have access to the S-300 deployment data, or will they be able to drop a "beacon" on them? Are you so sure that the S-300 is so ahead of the technologies of other countries that nothing can be done with it even using the most advanced suppression systems and UAVs ...?
        Personally, I hope that Russia and Israel will not quarrel, but this opportunity seems to me quite realistic ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 May 2013 19: 18
          +7
          You twitch, and I'm seriously trying to convey a thought.

          In no way ... it’s just strange to hear that Israel can destroy C-300 so easily and simply and they will seem to be a useless pile of iron.
          How many agents do the Mossad and the CIA have in Syria? How many of them will have access to the S-300 deployment data, or will they be able to drop a "beacon" on them?

          Yes, if only I knew. I will not argue with Israel for strong intelligence and intelligence services. But the Syrians and their allies will also not yawn, let's hope.
          Are you so sure that C-300 is so ahead of technology in other countries that nothing can be done with it even using the most advanced suppression systems and UAVs ...?

          No, not sure. C-300 has its own characteristics, which by the way differ significantly from version to version. In addition, these systems need to be covered at the near approaches. Perhaps even using modern anti-aircraft systems (issued by the United States, as usual), the Israeli air force will interrupt Syrian air defense, but Syrian air defense, with a reasonable organization of defense, can significantly reduce the Israeli air force. And how the map lies here, no one knows.
          But the fact that there is a surprise in Syria in the form of a strong air defense, and even if with S-300, then Israel will think 50 before starting a massive invasion. He has so few sympathizers, and then a couple of the most natural fronts are formed. It will be very sorry for the beautiful Israeli girls ...
          Personally, I hope that Russia and Israel will not quarrel, but this opportunity seems to me quite realistic ...

          They may not quarrel, but relations between the countries are already on the verge of a sharp cooling. I think you will not argue with this?
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 13 May 2013 19: 33
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            but also the Syrian air defense, with a reasonable organization of defense,

            This is what I had in mind. Of course, if Russia sends thousands of its employees to Syria, who will manage both the S-300, and the cover and early detection, then Israel or Turkey will be hard. But in the case of the usual delivery of the S-300 with a limited number of advisers, Russia risks trusting the complexes themselves, the cover and the periphery in the hands of Assad’s army, in the midst of a civil war. The chance that they all profound and ruin the image of Russian weapons, as it seems to me, is very high.

            Quote: Wedmak
            They may not quarrel, but relations between the countries are already on the verge of a sharp cooling. I think you will not argue with this

            Unfortunately, here you are right ...
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 13 May 2013 20: 24
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak

            In no way ... it’s just strange to hear that Israel can destroy C-300 so easily and simply and they will seem to be a useless pile of iron.

            The other day I had to talk with a comrade, he is an air defense reserve officer. From what he was told about C-300, he is confident in the extremely high capabilities of the system and is convinced that its destruction will have to pay the price of the Air Force, the question is how difficult. The weak point of any air defense with all their mobility is that all the same air defense is an object-based weapon and in some ways even stationary. The air defense is designed to protect objects or areas, which means that it is in any case smeared and the enemy has the opportunity to concentrate his forces against a specific air defense unit. And then comes intelligence: space, air, and intelligence. EW, UAV: ​​strike and reconnaissance, false targets, KR and only after this strike aircraft. At the same time, air defense of any country from the USA to Zimbabwe is so torn.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 May 2013 21: 16
          +5
          Quote: Rumata
          You twitch, and I'm seriously trying to convey a thought.


          Seriously, it does not work, for this you need to know at least a minimum of the history of Israel's special forces, at least the release of hostages at the Ugandan airport Entebbe, or Tarnegol-53 capture by the Sayeret NAHAL company "P-12 radar (according to NATO Spoon Rest classification) in Ras Gharib and not just capture and took out the radar on CH-53, so the Israeli special forces in the first place cannot be discounted, everyone understands this, I hope
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 14 May 2013 00: 25
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            Israeli special forces should not be discounted first
            "According to the" Foreign Military Review ", special forces appeared in Syria in 1958. Then an airborne company was formed in the army. The special forces actively participated in the Arab-Israeli wars (1967, 1973 and 1982). In October 1973, they carried out a bold and successful operation to seize an Israeli intelligence center and a command post on Mount Hermon by helicopter landing, which disorganized the control of Israeli units in the northern Golan Heights for several days. Syrian special forces actively and efficiently used anti-tank ambushes in the rear of the enemy. According to the foreign press, in June 1982, during the Israeli aggression against Lebanon, the Syrian commandos, operating behind enemy lines, destroyed more Israeli tanks with the Fagot and Milan ATGMs than tankers during the fighting. In 1990 - 1991, during the "Desert Storm", one of the special forces regiments was in Saudi Arabia, but did not take part in the hostilities.
            The Syrian ground forces currently have one division (three regiments) and eighteen separate special forces regiments (groups). Almost everyone served in Lebanon. Anti-terror units are part of the Republican Guard.
            The dedication of the special forces to the current president was ensured by him while heir. In the mid-90s, his father granted Bashar the right to purge the ranks of the country's top leadership.http://www.agentura.ru/dossier/syria/specnaz/
        3. evfrat
          evfrat 13 May 2013 21: 45
          0
          quarrel - do not quarrel, but you don’t have enough seats ...
        4. Kaa
          Kaa 14 May 2013 00: 17
          +1
          Quote: Rumata
          How many agents do the mossad and the CIA have in Syria?
          Rhetorical question: "How many SVR and GRU agents are there in the IDF and why don't they share information with Mukhabarat?" repeat
        5. Kuzkin Batyan
          Kuzkin Batyan 14 May 2013 12: 04
          0
          It is clear that several complexes will not protect the country from invasion. The delivery of the S-300 there is a political move. It talks about how seriously Russia supports Syria. And if the nosy ones don’t even understand this, then Russia can send its operators there on duty with air defense systems. And announce it officially. If the nosy people try to do something, the US owners themselves will give the nosy their teeth and stop the escalation, since they haven't eaten hamburgers yet and want to live.
      2. Toit
        Toit 13 May 2013 19: 08
        +3
        Quote: Wedmak
        It will be very unpleasant to find out that half of the Israeli air force will be killed another 200 km from the target, and the remaining half will be riddled with an attempt to approach the targets.
        And Assad is not as simple as painted. Without using his air defense against Israel's solo attacks, he waits for the right moment, while maintaining an unpleasant surprise for installers without a flight zone.

        Fortunately for us, and unfortunately for you with six installations with 300, you can’t hide the whole of Syria without stopping, the terrain is not the same, but you will probably have to forget about safe flights over the Syrian coast and the capital.

        Quote: Wedmak
        If someone has the opportunity to cut down the C-300, then this is Israel or the United States


        After training in Greece and Cyprus, it can and can, but there is a big risk and it is unlikely that they will do it, there are ways to solve such issues more simply, no one has canceled the specialists, and the civil war added a mess.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 May 2013 19: 26
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          If someone has the opportunity to cut down the C-300, then this is Israel or the United States

          You are not mistaken in the quote? I did not write this.

          you can’t hide all of Syria with six 300 installations, don’t hide it, the terrain is not the same, but you will probably have to forget about safe flights over the Syrian coast and the capital.

          It's right. Only 6 installations or 6 divisions?
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 14 May 2013 00: 27
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            6 units or 6 divisions?
            Israeli media write about 144 missiles, therefore, we are talking about divisions ...
        2. Galinanp
          Galinanp 13 May 2013 19: 47
          +2
          Toit IL Today, 19:08
          After training in Greece and Cyprus, it can and can, but there is a big risk and it is unlikely to do it, there are ways to solve such issues easier, no one has canceled the specialists, and the civil war added a mess

          Not so simple. The service staff of the complexes will be Russian instructors, and ensuring their safety will be on Russian specialists. So, the brilliant raids of your specialists will most likely have to be forgotten. In general, in vain Israel got involved in this, only one headache.
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 13 May 2013 19: 11
      +3
      Well, let’s try it in practice! Scratch all the tongues. You are, of course, cunning, but everything will turn out in practice! I, in principle, assume your actions in this direction --- to buy SAR officers, have you really stayed there corrupted creatures? If yes --- kerdyk Asadu! But we hope that only patriots of their homeland stayed there and you will be very tight with them!
      1. Maitre
        Maitre 14 May 2013 09: 58
        -3
        it will not be tight, the S-300 is another bluff, the same as the shell, Buk, etc. . I just feel sorry for the Russian adviser guys who will die during the destruction of the S-300. And all because of imperial Russian politics ... I respect the Russian people, but Russia does not ...
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 14 May 2013 12: 49
          +2
          Are you aware of the consequences? If Russian peasants (who, by the way, came there to protect and not attack) die from your Israeli bombs, I think this will negatively affect your compatriots living in Russia
    3. Maitre
      Maitre 14 May 2013 09: 51
      0
      Truth, Countryman, you speak the truth ...
      1. _Siberian_
        14 May 2013 10: 10
        +2
        Then why is there so much sucker about deliveries of c-300, I don’t think that out of compassion for the Russian guys, I think that out of compassion for my own sorry SOPE POPE
  • Toit
    Toit 13 May 2013 19: 14
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    Your actions in this direction --- buy SAR officers

    Why, in such a mess as a civil war, intelligence is the most expanse, and no one needs to buy.
    Quote: Den 11
    Well, well, let's try in practice

    I would not want to.
  • Gamal
    Gamal 13 May 2013 19: 19
    +9
    And for Turkey, in place of the GDP (just in case), I would prepare an economic "gift" in the form of the introduction of a visa regime. Nafig cover all these Antalya and Kemer (with compensation to our travel agencies, this can also be thought over). There are plenty of good places to relax. Serious cash flow for the Turks will be cut off. And along with him, the support of Erdogan by his own population. Militant rhetoric with elements of paranoia is one thing, but mutton in pilaf or lack thereof is another.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 May 2013 20: 53
      +4
      Quote: Gamal
      And for Turkey, in place of the GDP (just in case), I would prepare an economic "gift" in the form of the introduction of a visa regime.


      Well, where are you and his voters will stick out?
    2. evfrat
      evfrat 13 May 2013 21: 52
      +1
      If someone was engaged in political education of the population in Russia, then visas would not be needed. That's how many of our comrades leave every summer to the Turks on 2k. minimum? Multiply by the number of narzans exhausted in the country and divide by the cost of the old Belgian vinarian, RPG-7 and alla alla in a bar.
    3. Chavy
      Chavy 14 May 2013 04: 19
      +1
      We must consider such a gift for Israel. Every year, Russian tourists feed Israel $ 5 billion.
    4. ale-x
      ale-x 14 May 2013 15: 40
      +1
      I AM FOR!!! Though the vacation of the next five years does not bother me .....
  • _Siberian_
    13 May 2013 19: 41
    +1
    [quote] With six 300 installations you can’t hide all of Syria without stopping, the terrain is not the same, but you will probably have to forget about safe flights over the Syrian coast and the capital. [/ quote]
    It's right. Only 6 installations or 6 divisions? [/ Quote]

    Israel intends to push Russia to refuse to supply S-300 air defense systems. According to him, Damascus transferred payments to the Russian bank for six installationsthat can be placed in Syria by the end of the year. And this will radically change the balance of power in the civil war torn by Syria. In addition, these supplies can make it difficult to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, which is called for in the West, especially in the UK and France.
    Sources in the Wall Street Journal reported that Israel informed the US of Russia's intention to sell Syria C-300. The reaction was instant. Secretary of State John Kerry has opposed the deal, as it "destabilizes" the security of Israel, a key US ally in the region.v
    link to the article: http://ng.ru/world/2013-05-13/1_siria.html
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 May 2013 20: 08
      +2
      Israel intends to push Russia to refuse to supply S-300 air defense systems. According to him, Damascus transferred payments to six banks to a Russian bank,

      MM .. installations ... it’s somehow strange, what can journalists have messed up, as always ?. C-300 complex, it is not for sale with installations, only in the kit.
      1. _Siberian_
        13 May 2013 21: 20
        +1
        It is difficult to find technical information, but most likely the kit was equated to the installation
        Composition
        The Favorit air defense system includes controls 83М6Е2, up to 6 air defense systems 90Ж6Е2 (in each on-load tap-changer, up to 12 SPU 5П85TE2 and / or 5П85Е2 with four operating devices). At the request of the customer, the system can be assigned all-height radars 96L6Е, low-altitude radars 76Н6, mobile tower 40В6М for an antenna post from the RPN 30Н6Е2.
        Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051048057124049049050052.html
  • _Siberian_
    13 May 2013 19: 50
    0
    A bit of TTХ

    Long-range S-300PMU2 short-range air defense system (deep modernization of the S-300PMU1, focused on export deliveries) is intended for zone defense of important military-state facilities and groupings of forces from attacks of all types of modern air-defense systems day and night in any weather, climate and physical conditions -geographic conditions with intense electronic countermeasures of the enemy.

    Unlike the previous versions of the S-300 SAM system, “Favorite” has:
    · Increased effectiveness of the defeat of BR with the undermining of their warheads;
    · Increased to 200 km distant border of the affected area;
    · Increased aerodynamic control efficiency, including and unobtrusive targets at extremely low altitudes in a complex jamming environment;
    · Enhanced information capabilities of the KP to detect and track ballistic targets while maintaining the aerodynamic target detection sector;
    · Increased battery life due to the use of the new generation 96L6Е radar;
    the possibility of integration into other air defense systems, including NATO, as well as the use of S-300PMU1 air defense missiles.

    The main developer is JSC NPO Almaz
    Year of adoption 1998-2000 *
    Range affected area, km 3-200 / 5-40
    Height affected area, km 0,01-27 / 2-25
    Course parameter, km 195 / 25-35 *
    The probability of hitting a target with one SAM before 0,97
    0,8-0,95
    0,8-0,95 helicopter
    cruise missile 0,8-0,95
    0,8-0,97 ballistic missile
    UAV 0,8-0,95
    Maximum speed of targets, m / s to 2800
    Reaction time, with 5-11
    BM weight, kg
    SAM / warhead mass, kg 1900 * / 180
    Deployment / coagulation time, min 5 / 5
    Maximum speed, km / h 50-60

    Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051048057124049049050052.html
  • APASUS
    APASUS 13 May 2013 20: 12
    +5
    Given the confrontation between the Arab world and Israel, a joint operation is hardly possible! Rather, Turkey will crush from land, and Israel from the air!
    That's why Israel is so concerned about the supply of s-300.
    But Turkey, with its internal problems, can itself not notice how the war will transfer to its own territory!
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 13 May 2013 20: 13
    +5
    This Erdogan looks like Hitler. Then they will find with a bitten tongue in the basement ...
    And then the Turks will still be to blame, pay reparations.
    Who put Turkey's Patriot? Who gave the money to Hitler?
    The schemes are similar: remove with the wrong hands.
    Jews hate, send money to the war.
    Goes around comes around. I hope the Lord will protect Christians from the spit of the Jewish Orthodox.
    1. tatjid
      tatjid 13 May 2013 20: 53
      -5
      you see no cog
      therefore you are not friends with logic and truth
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 13 May 2013 21: 37
        +2
        tatjid Today, 20:53 ↑
        therefore you are not friends with logic and truth

        “Let us remind you that the constant antics of Orthodox Jews (“ Hasidim ”, who also occupy a leading role in Russia - S.G.) against Christians is a serious problem. antics towards Christian clergy by orthodox Jews. According to Father Tikhon, Jerusalem Jews, when they see a priest with a cross, usually spit at his feet. "

        http://www.zaistinu.ru/articles/?aid=1902
  • PValery53
    PValery53 13 May 2013 20: 40
    +4
    We don’t need to speak with an outstretched soul in the international arena, and push our interests with an iron tread! And let those who do not like it try to rock the boat! It’s time to stop chewing snot on the international stage! - Or is our economy weak all the time?! ..- Are the rulers chasing stripes?! .. Why is the stabilization fund in America’s pocket? - Traitors?! ..
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  • Tatoshka
    Tatoshka 13 May 2013 20: 46
    0
    Guys, I read you here and just couldn't help writing, because you write your hair stand on end, as I understand it, not yesterday’s schoolchildren gathered here, but your messages say absolutely the opposite, some kind of pretzel are sitting, like an honest word , former employees of the Soviet and Russian army, there’s one reaction to any article - yes we don’t have it, the second is not wrong, and so, this is childishness not a worthy title of husband, emoticons are kind of ridiculous, as if you are sitting there and making faces monkeys, all this is unpleasant, disgusting, you can fill me up with your minuses, I do not care, I expressed my opinion, you come to every issue with an anti-scientific and anti-war approach, there is a kind of childish infantility and feminine femininity in every topic, well this is a scribe guys!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 13 May 2013 20: 51
      +3
      Quote: Tattoo
      Well this is a scribe men!


      and what's next, you have a program and all the recipes for all occasions, you are our genius. laughing
  • tatjid
    tatjid 13 May 2013 20: 51
    -4
    Firstly, I would like to know why, according to the author of Russia, it is necessary to maintain the power of Assad in Syria?
    and secondly, I would like to ask - what does the author see the benefits of Israel from a change in the power of Assad?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 13 May 2013 21: 19
      +2
      Ooooh, Jew, why climbed in here? Ask your question better than the folder, he will say why! Don’t be offended, baby, go better to your 1boom.net sites for example. By the way a good site for kids. Oh, baby, baby .. .
    2. Phoenix s
      Phoenix s 13 May 2013 21: 22
      +9
      And why in Syria to change the legally elected president to a crowd of completely illegal fanatics who hang al-Qaeda flags on the occupied buildings?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 13 May 2013 21: 51
        +3
        This is a rhetorical question! EVERYONE (both the USA and ISRAEL) understands that there is no need, but this is one of the last friends (but the closest) in the Middle East of Russia, which means it needs to be destroyed! Geopolitics, her mother! This is so, figuratively. in fact, everything is much deeper and more serious there (the same oil-gas-wires) .NO, they are our friends (long-standing) and we are obliged to protect them!
    3. _Siberian_
      13 May 2013 22: 11
      +5
      It is beneficial for Russia to maintain the existing agreements of both economic and political KaraHter with Assad as a geopolitical partner. While he has been in power for years, a balance has been created between the energy-producing (selling, transporting, etc.) Middle Eastern states with legally elected leaders of these states, and Russia has established sales markets for its hydrocarbons and an established pricing structure for them.
      In the situation under consideration, my young friend, attacks on Syria in general and on the Assad regime in particular, do not occur to ensure YOUR security, whatever they tell you, there’s a warrior for ENERGY RESOURCES and redistribution of spheres of influence, AFFTORS of this war are not defenders of rights and freedoms ( and other democratic values), and cynical animals that spit on YOU (security of Israelis and Turkish citizens), on US (wild people, etc.) and Hto are Syrians. The main goal of the Arab Spring as a whole and the destruction of Syria in particular is their majesty OIL FELLOWS. TURN ON YOUR BRAINS !!!
    4. AlexW
      AlexW 13 May 2013 22: 58
      +1
      Really a children's question. Read carefully and try to understand, everything has already been said on this page.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 13 May 2013 20: 53
    +1
    Yes, calm down you. Today, in connection with the reduction of the danger of a large-scale war, the Israeli government for the first time in 20 years has reduced the budget of the Defense Ministry by 1.2 billion $.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 13 May 2013 21: 09
      +5
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Yes, calm down you. Today, in connection with the reduction of the danger of a large-scale war, the Israeli government for the first time in 20 years has reduced the budget of the Defense Ministry by 1.2 billion $.


      DOLLARS. not shekels. This is not your merit, but a complete ambush in the economy of pindxnumxii.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 13 May 2013 21: 20
        +3
        Quote: Hudo

        DOLLARS. not shekels. This is not your merit, but a complete ambush in the economy of pindxnumxii.

        You are wrong. US military assistance is not reduced. Officially reduced 4 billion שק, but I specially converted for you in a more understandable currency. And the Americans will not reduce their aid in the first place because Israel is obliged to spend 75% of it in the US military-industrial complex.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 13 May 2013 21: 30
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          And the Americans will not reduce their aid in the first place because Israel is obliged to spend 75% of it in the US military-industrial complex.

          Not for yourself, for hucksters pind0с0vskih you try there for a small fraction
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 13 May 2013 21: 46
            +2
            Quote: Hudo

            Not for yourself, for hucksters pind0с0vskih you try there for a small fraction

            often the interests coincide, and sometimes we really have to follow the lead of the United States. Their veto in the UN Security Council is worth a lot.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 13 May 2013 21: 53
              +1
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              and sometimes we really have to follow the US lead.

              The number of your enemies has exceeded all reasonable limits, and the waiting time for countless people who want to twist your heads over you has exceeded all reasonable limits. You should settle down, because those stories about the Holocausts that you are already fed up with in order, in the light of what awaits you in the near future, will seem like nice jokes to the boys from the church choir.
        2. Maitre
          Maitre 14 May 2013 19: 17
          0
          Reduced contraction. Instead of 4 billion shekels, they will reduce 3 billion in 2014, which will be returned in the 2015 budget
  • andrewkras
    andrewkras 13 May 2013 21: 00
    +6
    All this fuss of Americans of Israelis (not Jews as a nation) and Turks against
    The supply of the S-300 does not even have a legal basis, since in one of the UN resolutions it is explicitly stated that each state has the right to protect its territory and population. The supply of this type of weapon, which has only
    defensive significance cannot have any consequences with respect to the states acquiring it, and the state delivering with respect to
    international law, simply put, no one is to blame, just someone about .... smiling. Russia has every right to supply this type of weapon! Sorry resolution number I do not remember if someone remembers remind. Resolution of the 60s
    1. YuDDP
      YuDDP 13 May 2013 23: 35
      +2
      Quote: andrewkras
      (not Jews as a nation)

      Jews-this is not a nation, do not confuse.
      these are members of a religious sect
      1. 120352
        120352 14 May 2013 04: 55
        0
        Jews are the same religious sectarians (Judaism), for whom there are only their own interests, and the rest of the world is a means of achieving their goals, like the Arabs (Islam). They have the most pronounced mutual dislike. If they are combined, annihilation can take place, i.e. sooner or later they will begin to destroy each other, and this has already happened, if anyone remembers. It was the Christian God who said: "For the Lord, there is neither Greek nor Jew" (at that time there was no Islam yet), but not Yahweh or Allah. They demanded to destroy strangers (read the Bible and the Koran. Everything is written there). Today, when, on the rising tide of militant Islam, the world is characterized by an exacerbation of religious feelings that arise and manifest themselves as a sense of self-preservation in the face of a potential enemy - a representative of an incompatible civilization, a closed sect (Islam is also closed and isolated from the rest of the world, like Judaism), this circumstance, and not the class struggle (and where did you see it in Islamic countries?) will be decisive! One thing I cannot understand why Samuel Huntington and Francis Fukuyama are silent. It's their job to advise the US authorities on such issues, and the authorities are listening to the filthy Brzezinski.
  • andrewkras
    andrewkras 13 May 2013 21: 19
    +3
    I would like to recall from the course of history all wars began with terrorist acts, despite the fact that the state against which the war began did not have anything to do with them! And it was completely planned by the aggressor!