Why does a tank have two barrels?

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Why does a tank have two barrels?
Experimental "German" VT-2 in the forest


Tank vs. tank


The more guns you have tank, so much the better. For its time, this was logical. This is how the British five-turret Vickers A1E1 Independent tank was born. It never went into production, but it demonstrated the advantages of combat vehicles with more guns. The layout had advantages, and they seemed significant. The tank could engage several targets simultaneously, and multiple pairs of eyes watching all sides increased the crew's situational awareness. When the enemy has nothing more than a few machine gun emplacements, a multi-turret vehicle is truly effective.




The British, as the founders of tank design, were the first to propose a multi-turret tank – the Vickers A1E1 Independent.

The concept's apotheosis was the Soviet monster T-35, carrying eleven soldiers. The tank was intended to break through enemy defenses with infantry support. But initial combat experience showed that a heavy breakthrough tank would have to be completely different. Five turrets with artillery The guns made the T-35 slow, bulky, and poorly protected. The tank commander simply couldn't cope with his tasks in battle—his crew was too large.

If World War II hadn't devalued the multi-turret design, it's unknown what vehicles our tankers would have been using today. Incidentally, the Nazis, towards the very end of the war, also managed to experiment with two guns on a single tank, and in a single turret at that. This was the world-famous Maus super-heavy tank, which was equipped with 128mm and 75mm guns. It's unknown whether the "Mouse"'s firepower helped, as it was destroyed without proving its worth in combat.


T-35

In the post-war period, tank design focused primarily on anti-nuclear protection and anti-tank capabilities. Drawing parallels with today's world, these aren't the most adaptable characteristics for the conflict in Ukraine, but nothing can be done about it. In the context of these events, we're interested in tanks' ability to kill enemy tanks. Until a certain point, this was the job of tank destroyers, similar to the armored vehicles of World War II. Then it turned out to be expensive, and then came the advent of missilesSome had high hopes for ATGMs—for example, the Soviet Union developed the IT-1, or "Dragon," missile tank. It was accepted into service in 1968 but withdrawn in 1972. A few years of peaceful service were enough to realize the error of creating a purely missile-armed tank. Something more versatile was needed.




The German VT series tanks were destined to revolutionize military affairs.

The Soviet threat kept NATO troops awake at night. And NATO engineers were equally uneasy. The tank armies stationed in Eastern Bloc countries posed a serious threat, and something had to be done about them.

As an option, the Germans considered the VT-1 and VT-2 turretless tanks. They came up with a suitable name: Doppelrohrkasematt Versuchsträger, or "Experimental Carrier (Prototype) with a Twin-Barreled Casemate Mount." Strictly speaking, these were the very same tank destroyers, but let's not delve into the intricacies of Teutonic terminology. They said it was a turretless tank, which meant it was a tank.

The Germans drew inspiration from another "turretless tank," the Strv 103. Maschinenbau Kiel developed the experimental VT-1 and VT-2 series, and it must be said that the engineers did a superb job. While the first model was equipped with a pair of 105mm guns, the VT-2 was equipped with two 120mm guns. The tanks weighed no more than 44 tons, and their silhouette was quite squat. The vehicle with the 105mm guns had a manual loading mechanism, while the dual 120mm guns had an automatic mechanism.


The main advantage of a tank with two guns is the ability to fire synchronously at a target.

Did the Germans manage to create a tank that was not only beautiful but also effective? More likely than not. The tank, overloaded with two guns, ended up with thin armor—protection had to be sacrificed. But the engineers gave the vehicle a ton of power. The VT-1 had a 2000-horsepower engine, while the VT-2 had 2200. This was in emergency mode and didn't last long. The standard engine output reached 1600 horsepower. The prototypes literally flew around test ranges, firing as they went. The casemate placement of the guns imposed fundamental limitations on the guns' horizontal aiming, but the guns were equipped with a single-plane stabilizer. As a result, the VT could fire two shells at a target in a salvo while moving. The impact effect was astonishing.




Preliminary designs of the Kampfpanzer 3B (KpZ 3B) from the 70s


On the left is an X-ray of the Kampfpanzer 3B (KpZ 3B), on the right is the VT-2

One more history The Kampfpanzer 3B (KpZ 3B) can be considered a tank with two cannons. It was never built in metal, but it deserves attention. Conceptually, it was similar to the VT-1 and -2, but its guns were positioned closer to the tank's longitudinal axis. This increased the accuracy of salvo fire and simplified the automatic loading mechanism. The three-man crew was positioned directly between the guns.

To return or not to return


Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger (GVT)—that was the terrifying name given to the German prototype of a two-gun tank based on the VT-1 and VT-2. The Germans experimented with the first prototypes, and they seemed to like them, but also didn't. So they decided to create five test GVTs, or "combat test vehicles," whose purpose was to refine the mobility, control, and tactics of a turretless tank with two guns, without the risk and expense of full-scale combat prototypes.




Gefechtsfeldversuchsträger (GVT) - an experimental vehicle without real armament

They decided to save money and replaced the guns with scale models. The weight was reduced to 30 tons. During prototype testing, new limitations emerged. For example, the vehicle struggled to fight in forests and urban areas—where a traditional tank could simply traverse its turret, a casemate tank would have to twist its entire body. Scientifically, this can be called the dependence of the direction of fire on the tank's hull orientation. Prototypes were assembled in 1975-76 and, after brief testing, the idea was abandoned. Playing with two guns wasn't worth the candle. It was decided to focus on developing a next-generation tank, better known as the Leopard 2.

Ideas with two primary calibers in a tank corps were also considered in the Soviet Union. During the mockup design stage of the Kharkiv "Object 490" in the late 80s, a concept with two primary guns existed. Moreover, a rotating turret was envisioned. This later evolved into the "Commonwealth" concept, which remained unrealized.

Is the concept of a tank with two guns currently viable? Let's examine the positive aspects. The casemate arrangement of the guns offers many advantages. The vehicle's dimensions don't increase dramatically, while still allowing for the inclusion of both the automatic loader and the isolated ammunition rack. From a design perspective, this is much simpler than fiddling with a rotating turret. Furthermore, the crew can be seated between the gun breech blocks, which improves survivability. A synchronized fire from two 125mm guns (if the hull can withstand it) inflicts impressive damage on a target, and this cannot be ignored.

Tanks in the SVO rarely fire directly, but when they do, they require maximum efficiency and stealth. A T-90 firing two shots in quick succession and a synchronized shot from a twin-gun tank are two completely different things. A dual-gun tank will be able to retreat to cover more quickly after such a shot. Calculations show that the hit probability of the first salvo shot from a dual-gun tank increases from 0,5-0,55 to 0,7-0,75. And the effect on the target is much greater than that of a 152mm "suitcase" gun. The dual-gun configuration is also advantageous when firing from indirect positions—a common practice for tanks in the SVO. More shots fired in a unit of time means a greater probability of destroying the target and a greater time to escape.

As always, the design of a military vehicle (like any other) is a tangle of compromises. A tank with two guns is more expensive and has a number of significant operational limitations, but it benefits from its enormous firepower. It could certainly find its place in the air defense forces. The only question is the feasibility of serial production and scaling up the concept.
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  1. +4
    9 March 2026 04: 31
    What about his accuracy with synchronized firing? The air pressure should interfere, in theory. The shots need to be spaced out.
    1. 0
      9 March 2026 14: 44
      Then, after firing, smoke will appear, dust will rise, and the advantages of the two weapons will be negated. A questionable decision, in a word.
    2. 0
      9 March 2026 22: 57
      Shots can't be perfectly synchronized. Even if it's only a fraction of a second later, one bolt will fire later. And there's also a slight variation in the power of the propellant charges in the shell casings.
  2. +4
    9 March 2026 05: 22
    Interesting. What if the caliber were reduced? For example, instead of one 125mm, install two 115mm ones? The latter had a single-piece projectile!
    1. +4
      9 March 2026 06: 15
      Quote: Vatnik_
      What if we reduce the caliber? For example, instead of one 125mm, we use two 115mm ones? The latter had a single-piece projectile!

      The 125mm gun offers significantly greater HE shell damage and APFSDS armor penetration. Furthermore, the 125mm gun is equipped with an automatic loader, providing a practical rate of fire 1,5-2 times higher than the 115mm U-5TS "Molot" tank gun on the T-62.
      1. +1
        9 March 2026 09: 21
        Well, that's understandable, a machine gun fires faster than a human.
        That's not what I'm talking about. Two 115mm HE shells will probably be more effective than one 125mm, and the length of a BOPS shell can be much longer than that of a separate-loading shell. Incidentally, I'm talking about the caliber, not the specific weapon.
        The entire system is presented as follows: an unmanned turret from the Armata. Two guns. Incidentally, a 125mm cannon with larger chambers was developed for the Armata, and there's no reason to stop this variant from doing the same. The machine gun is in the rear. A smaller caliber means less weight for the entire system, which, in theory, could be integrated into the dimensions of the Armata.
        And then there are possible options - the first shot, for example, a high-explosive shell, it knocks down the protective shell, etc., the second APFSDS shell with a delay of half a second (well, approximately).
        The result will probably be interesting.
        1. +1
          9 March 2026 09: 55
          Quote: Vatnik_
          That's not what I'm talking about. Two 115mm HE shells will probably be more effective than one 125mm, and the length of the APFSDS shell can be much longer than that of a separate-loading shell.

          There is no point, it's not worth it. No.
          Quote: Vatnik_
          And then there are possible options - the first shot, for example, a high-explosive shell, it knocks down the protective shell, etc., the second shot is a BOPS with a half-second delay.

          It won't work, the ballistics of BOPS and OFS are different.
          1. -1
            9 March 2026 10: 30
            Quote: Bongo
            It won't work, the ballistics of BOPS and OFS are different.

            What about tank combat at extreme firing ranges? The Abrams' cannon can fire canister shot at 600 meters, with a continuous frontal kill zone of tungsten balls up to 100 meters. Incidentally, last year, the regulations included the use of this round against UAVs...
            1. +1
              9 March 2026 11: 38
              The whole point here is to hit one point.
          2. +1
            9 March 2026 11: 36
            Well, it's different. Basically, there could be two BOPSs, with the same effect.
            Well, whether it’s worth it or not is no longer a question for our salaries.
          3. 0
            28 March 2026 03: 12
            Quote: Bongo
            Quote: Vatnik_
            That's not what I'm talking about. Two 115mm HE shells will probably be more effective than one 125mm, and the length of the APFSDS shell can be much longer than that of a separate-loading shell.

            There is no point, it's not worth it. No.
            Quote: Vatnik_
            And then there are possible options - the first shot, for example, a high-explosive shell, it knocks down the protective shell, etc., the second shot is a BOPS with a half-second delay.

            It won't work, the ballistics of BOPS and OFS are different.


            The guns can be set to different angles.
            They can also be made mobile in the horizontal aiming sector.

            A modified carriage from a towed gun.
            1. 0
              28 March 2026 03: 31
              Quote: Eng Mech
              The guns can be set to different angles.
              They can also be made mobile in the horizontal aiming sector.

              What's the point of complicating the design when its combat effectiveness is questionable? Practice is the criterion of truth. All this has long been calculated and tested. The Germans tried it and decided it wasn't worth it. No.
              1. 0
                28 March 2026 04: 29
                Quote: Bongo
                Quote: Eng Mech
                The guns can be set to different angles.
                They can also be made mobile in the horizontal aiming sector.

                What's the point of complicating the design when its combat effectiveness is questionable? Practice is the criterion of truth. All this has long been calculated and tested. The Germans tried it and decided it wasn't worth it. No.


                See below for the priority problem we are solving.
                1. 0
                  28 March 2026 04: 36
                  Quote: Eng Mech
                  See below for the priority problem we are solving.

                  If you think this area has potential, consider pursuing it yourself! Good luck!
                  1. 0
                    28 March 2026 04: 43
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Quote: Eng Mech
                    See below for the priority problem we are solving.

                    If you think this area has potential, consider pursuing it yourself! Good luck!


                    I don't need advice.
                    All the best.
        2. +4
          9 March 2026 12: 57
          Quote: Vatnik_
          A smaller caliber means a lighter weight for the entire system, which, in theory, can be fitted into the dimensions of the same Armata.

          But two barrels, they also weigh weight.
          This stinks of crap, it would be easier to wish for a revolver AZ like the French and Americans made in their prototypes.
          There, it seems, it could reload in almost 1.5 seconds (and when 5-10 shells run out in the revolver, it’s a trip to the repair base for an hour).

          Quote: Vatnik_
          And then there are possible options - the first shot, for example, a high-explosive shell, it knocks down the protective shell, etc., the second APFSDS shell with a delay of half a second (well, approximately).
          The result will probably be interesting.


          The HE will still be flying, and you will already send the APFSDS.
          There is a real chance that the BOPS will arrive earlier or at the same time.
          With a moving target it’s worse, the leads are different.

          It's easier to spit the ATGM out of the barrel.
          That one will knock off the body kit and most likely penetrate the tank.
  3. +2
    9 March 2026 05: 39
    Why does a tank have two barrels?

    Why does a dog need a fifth leg?
    1. 0
      9 March 2026 14: 52
      This isn't the most successful attempt to adapt naval experience to land-based systems. But at sea, multi-barrel turrets save space on a ship and increase the weight of a salvo, while on land they merely increase the weight of the self-propelled gun.
      1. +1
        9 March 2026 15: 23
        Well, I say: why?

        The text of my comment is too short, so I have to write all sorts of nonsense.
  4. +8
    9 March 2026 06: 24
    The Germans weren't original. In the 1950s, the Americans mass-produced the 106mm M50 Ontos anti-tank self-propelled gun with six recoilless rifles (pictured) for the Marine Corps, and in the 1960s and 1970s, Komatsu produced the Type 60 tank destroyer (pictured), also armed with two 106mm recoilless rifles.
    1. +2
      9 March 2026 06: 47
      Good! hi Recoilless guns on tanks are completely nonsense. What would you do with the recoil stream? And they're significantly inferior in range. It's a lost cause.
      1. +3
        9 March 2026 06: 55
        Roman, welcome!

        Quote: novel xnumx
        Recoilless tanks are a complete nonsense, where would the recoil jet go?

        On American and Japanese tank destroyers, recoilless rifles were mounted openly on a turret that could be moved vertically and horizontally. A 12,7mm automatic rifle was also mounted coaxially to the guns for sighting purposes.
        Quote: novel xnumx
        And they are significantly inferior in terms of range.

        It is clear that the range is shorter than that of tank guns, but for ambush operations, by the standards of the 1950s and 1960s, it was a decent, relatively cheap anti-tank weapon.
  5. 0
    9 March 2026 06: 46
    I didn't even know such a thing existed. You discover something new every time.
  6. +4
    9 March 2026 07: 13
    First, let's try to figure out what advantages a second gun gives a tank. In my opinion, if two shells can hit a target, then one shell can do the job just as well. A tank with two guns requires space for two loaders and possibly two gunners. Furthermore, all this increases weight, which means wider tracks are required for better traction. And what we end up with is a vehicle that is almost as expensive as two regular tanks, less maneuverable, and barely has any more firepower, and it's also heavier...

    P.S. So unless a tank has two turrets, its two guns cannot be aimed independently, so two tanks with one gun can hit more targets than one tank with two guns...
    1. +1
      9 March 2026 12: 51
      Quote: Luminman
      In my opinion, if two projectiles can hit a target, then one projectile can do the job too.


      In my opinion, the push for multi-barreled weapons was initially driven by the fact that the automatic gun had not yet been invented, and by the fact that two loaded barrels would fire the first two shots faster than any automatic gun.
      Well, you never know, it might not penetrate, bounce off, or miss, or there might be more than one target, but that leaves two chances to hit.
      But the weight and the fact that the loader would get tired later, as well as the price, leveled all of this out.

      As a result, only the density of fire remained where it was needed.
      1. +1
        10 March 2026 02: 57
        Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
        In my opinion, the push for multi-barreled weapons was initially driven by the fact that the automatic weapon hadn't been invented yet, and also by the fact that two loaded barrels would fire the first two shots faster than any automatic weapon.



        Not quite so. Conceptually, in the Anglo-French tank armament system (and there was simply no other), tanks were divided into infantry and cavalry (cruiser) tanks. Besides their protecco, these vehicles also differed in armament. Infantry tanks faced infantry in trenches and behind fortifications. Therefore, they were armed with short-barreled guns of medium caliber from 60 to 80 mm. The projectile's high trajectory and low velocity combined well with the primary ammunition type—fragmentation or high-explosive grenades. But the core of the new tank fleet of all countries wasn't such vehicles. It was cavalry tanks. They were simply easier to produce. More could be made of them. Operating as part of cavalry units, they were not supposed to encounter fortifications or static defenses. Enemy infantry was not supposed to keep up with the cavalry and its tanks. But the enemy's cavalry tanks and armored cars, as well as the enemy cavalry, were quite capable of making it in time. Therefore, cruiser tanks were armed with machine guns and long-barreled cannons with high armor penetration, ranging in caliber from 20 to 45 mm.

        But the development of anti-tank weapons and the motorization of infantry, along with the expansion of tank fleets, posed a formidable challenge. Cavalry tanks suddenly proved insufficiently armored and poorly armed, while infantry tanks proved too slow and highly specialized. Adding armor and increasing the caliber of their guns to cavalry tanks essentially meant redesigning them from scratch, which led to the development of multi-turreted infantry tanks.
        The T-35 had its particular armament setup for a reason. It combined a short-barreled 76mm "anti-personnel" gun with two 45mm anti-tank guns. At the time, designers hadn't yet embraced the idea of ​​a universal weapon. Such a gun only appeared on the T-34 and KV, but to achieve this, the USSR had to abandon the Anglo-French concept and adopt a new one—one based on armor protection.

        That's why having two identical guns on a tank is pointless. A tank isn't a self-propelled gun; it doesn't need a high density of fire. A single universal 120-125mm gun and a 20-35mm automatic small-caliber cannon make sense. They expand the tank's capabilities. But why pair two 125mm cannons? Modern HEAT rounds can penetrate over a meter of armor behind dynamic protection, and automatic loaders, target-keeping systems, and gun stabilizers allow for rapid, accurate firing on the move. A 120mm cannon is sufficient for both armor penetration and fortification destruction.
  7. +3
    9 March 2026 09: 07
    It's strange that the creators of Stug have slipped into such heresy.
    I got a particularly good beating from the "Zveroboys".
    The multi-gun/multi-turret tank concept was the division of tasks. The primary weapon destroyed enemy defenses. The secondary weapon protected the tank from anti-tank weapons.
    In essence, the BMPT Terminator is a crooked continuation of this concept.
    A tank with a DUM and APS is a smooth continuation of this concept.
    But installing two guns firing at the same point is like "Twilight Genius." It's better to use one gun of greater power for the weight of these two.
    1. 0
      9 March 2026 11: 08
      Quote: garri-lin
      In essence, the BMPT Terminator is a crooked continuation of this concept.

      I don't think that's entirely true. Both the 30mm projectiles and grenade launchers are for protecting tanks from anti-tank weapons. In other words, everything is for tank protection.
      Otherwise, I support it.
      1. 0
        9 March 2026 18: 55
        Well, if we proceed from a logical concept, the situational awareness of the BMPT crew should be higher than that of tanks.
        The primary armament must engage anti-tank weapons threatening the tanks it's escorting. The secondary armament must provide protection for the BMPT itself. The 30mm is poorly suited for this.
        A more lethal weapon is needed, one that is also capable of hitting infantry hidden in folds of terrain and in prepared firing points.
        But with the reaction time as low as possible.
        The Terminator doesn't measure up well to this. It could be made even better by changing its primary armament.
        This is exactly what I meant when I said that the embodiment is clumsy.
    2. 0
      9 March 2026 12: 47
      Quote: garri-lin
      But putting two guns shooting at the same point is "Twilight Genius".

      They saw a double-barreled shotgun and were eager to fire a double-barreled shot from a self-propelled gun.
      (Well, it's beautiful)
  8. BAI
    +2
    9 March 2026 09: 23
    1.
    It could certainly find its place in the military. The only question is the feasibility of serial production and scaling up the concept.

    If they don't do it, then it's not needed.
    2. The Maus example is incorrect—it doesn't have two identical guns, but two of different calibers. We have something similar—a 100mm main gun and a twin 30mm cannon—in the BMP-3.
  9. 0
    9 March 2026 10: 38
    I read about a German tank with two guns (at the edges) in the Foreign Military Review magazine around 1984. They called it the "Leopard 3." The guns weren't exactly parallel, but converged at a range of 1500 meters. I don't remember anything else.
  10. +1
    9 March 2026 12: 45
    Well, what kind of article is this?
    Technically, the BMP-3 has two barrels, 100mm and 30mm, I think.
    Since Maus was mentioned, it is similar in terms of the gun layout, and is in production.


    And how could we do without the ZSU-57-2? Although it’s not a classic tank, it’s still canonical and one of the largest-caliber twin-gun tanks ever produced.

    There are also legends about some ST-2, but it’s not clear whether this is nonsense and a hoax from the developers of the “World of Tanks” game or indeed.
  11. +3
    9 March 2026 14: 20
    Why does a tank have two barrels?

    So that the tracks fall off faster)))
    1. 0
      9 March 2026 16: 30
      If double-barreled guns are much more common among hunters than semi-automatics and pump-action shotguns, then why not try combining two barrels into one block on a tank? It will be possible to shoot different types of projectiles, the combat rate of fire and the density of fire will increase. If necessary, one barrel can be made smoothbore and the other rifled.
    2. Alf
      +1
      9 March 2026 18: 45
      Quote: Sergey3
      Why does a tank have two barrels?

      So that the tracks fall off faster)))

      After the double hit, the tracks and rollers remained in place, and the hull moved back...
  12. Owl
    +1
    9 March 2026 16: 07
    In addition to all the disadvantages of maneuverability in a confined space, one should remember the possibility of the tank's gun getting stuck in the ground and the barrel getting clogged with soil. A tank with a turret will turn the turret back when moving in difficult conditions, and a vehicle with a casemate configuration must either have a large vertical elevation angle for the barrels, or the barrels will become clogged.
    1. Owl
      +1
      9 March 2026 16: 15
      When the wheelhouse is located at the stern, the negative vertical aiming angles are reduced or the height of the object is increased.
  13. -1
    9 March 2026 18: 25
    If it weren't for the Second World War, which devalued the multi-tower structure
    The multi-turret design was rendered useless by the advent of anti-tank artillery. Shell-proof armor was needed, and there were no chassis resources left for the multitude of turrets.
    This was the world-famous super-heavy tank Maus, which was equipped with 128 mm and 75 mm guns.
    The Germans considered the Maus not a tank, but a mobile fortification (I can’t find the link now, though).
    Strictly speaking, these were the very same anti-tank self-propelled guns, but let's not delve into the subtleties of Teutonic terminology. They said it was a turretless tank, so it was a tank.
    A tank or self-propelled gun is determined by the vehicle's mission, not by the presence of a turret or turret. If the vehicle needs to attack or break through, a tank is the better choice; if it needs to provide long-range fire support for tanks (like the Su-85) or destroy enemy fortifications (like the ISU-152), a self-propelled gun is the better choice. The choice of turret was driven by the fact that it was impossible to fit a gun of the required caliber in the existing turret. Once the T-34-85 was adopted, the Su-85 lost its purpose.
    1. 0
      10 March 2026 10: 47
      Quote: bk0010
      The Germans considered the Maus not a tank, but a mobile fortification.

      You can talk as much as you want, but the Maus was a tank project and was made at a tank factory and tested at a tank testing ground.
      If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
      Even the Japanese OI super-heavy coastal defense tank project with multiple turrets wasn't called a mobile fortification. As for the idea of ​​a second barrel, I think this solution only makes sense temporarily, when development of the next generation of armored vehicles has been delayed, and some form of reinforcement is needed. That's why various double-barreled guns are emerging.
      Quote: bk0010
      As soon as the T-34-85 was mastered, the Su-85 lost its meaning.

      The Su-85 was a very crude self-propelled gun and was an emergency, urgent solution to the problem.
      It lost its purpose not so much because of the T-34-85 (which only became mass-produced in 44), but because of the development of other self-propelled guns—the Su-152, Su-100, and the IS-based self-propelled guns. They simply became more sophisticated—better guns, a better-designed layout, significantly better protection.
      1. 0
        10 March 2026 20: 31
        Quote: multicaat
        and due to the development of other self-propelled guns - Su-152, Su-100
        The Su-100 arrived late, only seeing action in the Battle of Lake Balaton. The Su-152 was ill-suited for the role of anti-tank self-propelled gun: a low rate of fire and an expensive howitzer-style gun (with low flatness) rather than a gun.
        1. 0
          11 March 2026 09: 09
          But that's where you're wrong. The Su-122 and Su-152 had pretty good howitzer ballistics.
          The trick was not to hit directly, but just to hit close—that was enough to knock out even a Tiger. That's exactly how one of the four Tigers that first reached the front was knocked out—a Su-122 shell simply landed close. The problem was different: at shorter ranges, the Tiger's accuracy was just as good, and it easily penetrated the frontal armor of our self-propelled guns and aimed much faster. In an attack, self-propelled guns against Tigers could suffer serious losses if the tank managed to get into a favorable position. But operating in the second echelon alongside T-34s of various modifications, which were moving ahead, the self-propelled guns became effective.
          The problem was the same as with the IS-2: rate of fire. SPGs couldn't attack aggressively, but rather conducted a slow siege.
          As for the Su-100, its production began just before the Battle of Kursk, just like the T-34-85. And all this equipment began appearing in commercial quantities six months before Lake Balaton, which, by the way, my grandfather was at.
  14. 0
    9 March 2026 20: 26
    A tank's second barrel is like a dick on your forehead. And that reminds me of the joke: when your balls grow, you won't be able to see anymore...
  15. 0
    9 March 2026 22: 08
    Nowadays, a two-gun tank would be in great demand – each gun would have a cast-iron cannonball connected by a steel chain – to shoot down fiber-optic drones, electronic warfare antennas, and ship masts during airborne defense.
  16. 0
    10 March 2026 10: 38
    author
    This was the world-famous Maus super-heavy tank, which was equipped with 128mm and 75mm guns. It is unknown whether the "Mouse"'s firepower helped it.

    The Mouse didn't prove itself, but the 128mm gun was installed on the Tiger-2 and Yardtiger, and they proved themselves, especially in defense. The Mouse's twin cannon was only needed for self-defense against soft targets, which are abundant during assaults.
  17. 0
    10 March 2026 11: 05
    The apotheosis of the concept was the Soviet monster T-35 with eleven fighters on board.

    When talking about the VT series vehicles, it is better to recall another Soviet tank - the KV-7 assault tank.
    Also turretless, also two guns (in the early version - three), but in a single mask.


    The reason for its appearance is the desire to increase the firepower of a heavy tank.
    The idea for a triple mount arose from complaints from the front about the insufficient firepower of tank guns. This problem had arisen with 76mm guns as early as the Russo-Japanese War. It's no coincidence that, in addition to 3-inch guns, 122mm howitzers were later introduced, often firing directly. The problem then surfaced on tanks. Issues arose when firing at light fortifications. It would seem that the most logical way to increase firepower was to install a more powerful gun. But someone pushed the idea of ​​salvo firing. Firing was possible with either three guns at once, two 45mm guns, or a central ZIS-5.
    Why is this so? Unfortunately, there's no definitive answer. It's possible that someone miscalculated the rate of fire and ammunition capacity. Theoretically, the rate of fire of two 45-mm and one 76-mm guns was higher than that of the M-30. As was the ammunition capacity. It's unlikely anyone thought about anything else. Moreover, according to the plan, as early as December 1941, one-fifth of KV-1 tanks were supposed to be produced with a triple mount.
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    Test results revealed that the triple mixed-caliber mount had poor accuracy and made salvo fire difficult. They decided to install two 76mm guns. They installed them and tested them. Again, they encountered problems with accuracy and salvo out-of-synchroness. And so the matter was dropped.
    Two dozen KV-7 hulls from the first series, which had entered production before testing, were decided to be adapted for a new heavy assault self-propelled gun with a 152mm gun. During its development, it was discovered that the 152mm gun wouldn't fit into the KV-7's hull, but the idea that led to the SU-152 originated with them.
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    10 March 2026 15: 46
    The tanks are probably in for a redesign. With such a high-speed fire rate, a smoothbore gun is unnecessary. A 122mm-130mm rifled gun will be more effective than a 125mm. And the HE is more powerful and accurate.
  19. 0
    10 March 2026 22: 36
    By the way, if you miss, then you miss twice...
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    12 March 2026 22: 51
    One powerful gun is better than two weak ones. To defeat two tanks, you need two Javelins, so we lose one gun per Javelin. Dual-gun fire means losing two guns. Robotic tanks will be significantly smaller and simply can't withstand two guns.
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    28 March 2026 04: 28
    As always, the main question:
    "Which set of problems are we solving as a priority?"

    1. If the problem is that existing tanks cannot use the required rotating turret due to the need for mandatory manoeuvring of the entire structure (form factor in the "rectangle" plan)

    The problem can only be solved by changing the form factor in the plan to a "square"

    => highly probable articulated scheme (trawler) - (combat module with ammunition) - (crew + su)

    It is possible to divide the grill into a rotating part like the BronOduvan in a circular/hemispherical shape (7-8 m in diameter with known problems with geometric cross-country ability), so that with any rotation of the turret the BronOduvan covers the entire hull and the lower protective skirt.

    2. If the problem is the need for increased perimeter protection, then it has already been solved by entrapment, and a fair question arises about the need for turrets as such and the use of part of the hull for conning towers (caliber and barrel size are a matter of imagination, fortunately, there is experience installing almost anything on MTLBs).

    3. If the problem is the power of a single salvo/artillery strike (jumped out, fired very quickly, and hid), then there is no way to solve this problem other than increasing the number of barrels (including the option of multiple-launch rocket systems on armor) and a revolver/magazine feed.

    => again, this may impose certain restrictions on the ability to conduct circular fire.
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      28 March 2026 04: 39
      Quote: Ing Mech
      As always, the main question:
      "Which set of problems are we solving as a priority?"

      1. If the problem is that existing tanks cannot use the required rotating turret due to the need for mandatory manoeuvring of the entire structure (form factor in the "rectangle" plan)

      The problem can only be solved by changing the form factor in the plan to a "square"

      => highly probable articulated scheme (trawler) - (combat module with ammunition) - (crew + su)

      It is possible to divide the grill into a rotating part like the BronOduvan in a circular/hemispherical shape (7-8 m in diameter with known problems with geometric cross-country ability), so that with any rotation of the turret the BronOduvan covers the entire hull and the lower protective skirt.

      2. If the problem is the need for increased perimeter protection, then it has already been solved by entrapment, and a fair question arises about the need for turrets as such and the use of part of the hull for conning towers (caliber and barrel size are a matter of imagination, fortunately, there is experience installing almost anything on MTLBs).

      3. If the problem is the power of a single salvo/artillery strike (jumped out, fired very quickly, and hid), then there is no way to solve this problem other than increasing the number of barrels (including the option of multiple-launch rocket systems on armor) and a revolver/magazine feed.

      => again, this may impose certain restrictions on the ability to conduct circular fire.


      Formally and theoretically, there is another option: a tsar grill that moves synchronously (with the protected object) and rotates around the tank synchronously with the turret, almost because there will be some sector for the possibility of precise aiming of the gun in a narrow sector (currently this is solved with chains and nets on the gun)
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    April 10 2026 11: 46
    One powerful barrel is better than two weak ones. For a tank. For anti-aircraft guns, it's the opposite.
    .
    The design of military equipment should begin with an analysis of potential targets and the weapons required to counter them. Identify which targets require two barrels, or rather, the cases where two identical barrels would be better than one of a larger caliber.