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T-64BV in battle

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T-64 really did not participate in wars. That war for which it was intended, fortunately did not happen, he was preparing for a confrontation with the United States and NATO, formed the basis of the GASVG. The only combat use is the war for the independence of Transnistria, where this tank played a decisive role.


The main place of application of the T-64BV was the battle for the city of Bender, occupied by the Moldovan troops. June 20 was the so-called "capture by the civilian population" tanks were in long-term storage of 59 motorized rifle divisions of the 14th army.

On the same day, hastily removed from the conservation tanks have already participated in the battles. Preparation of the T-64BV for the assault on Bender was carried out in the village of Parcani, directly behind the viaduct of the bridge over the r. Dniester.

T-64BV in battle


The scheme of hostilities with the use of T-64BV in the battles for Bender.


Transnistrian crews are not familiar with T-64BV, although they were experienced tankers, they were preparing for T-55 and T-62 tanks.
At a hastily removed from the conservation tanks did not have time to prepare weapons for battle, to make its reconciliation. 12, 7 mm heavy machine guns were not installed, the Contact-1 dynamic protection system was not equipped with 4-XNNXX dynamic protection elements. Part of the tank was equipped with elements of the DZ partly (only in the most vulnerable areas).
The Moldavian side had at this site a sufficiently powerful anti-tank defense which was based on 100 mm anti-tank guns MT-12 "Rapier", anti-tank grenade launchers and anti-tank systems "Competition".







Moldovan PTP "Rapira" defending the bridge over the Dniester.


Anti-tank cannons “Rapier” and anti-tank grenade launchers were the main anti-tank weapons of the Moldovan side.



Tanks were ledge, as far as the width of the bridge allowed.


The Vukolov tank, having entered the bridge, fired six shots at the enemy positions from the spot, destroying the BTR. After which several more targets were destroyed.

The tanks broke through the line of defense and found themselves on the site near the traffic police booth without the support of infantry in the open and well-swept area of ​​the park zone. A small landing party, who was on armor, led the battle at the very exit from the bridge and could not cover the tanks.
The tank attack made a great psychological impact on the Moldovan soldiers, among whom the panic began. So while passing the bridge, the first shot of the tank killed an observer of the anti-tank battery from the Moldovan side. Calculations of two guns "Rapier" fled. Lieutenant Colonel Karasyov stood up for the gun of the remaining "Rapier"





One of the Transnistrian T-64BVs that broke through in Bender. You can see the cumulative projectile PTP "Rapier" in the rear part of the body (at the point of the hole there are traces of the plumage of the projectile).



Even damage to the stern of the tank did not lead to irretrievable losses. Tanks with such damage remained combat-ready, but while on the territory completely controlled by the enemy and without the support of infantry, the crews had little chance of survival.



The gunner continued firing to the complete consumption of cartridges in the tape (recharged by the tank commander). The tank was captured by the Moldovan military ... (hereinafter the versions of the Moldovan and Transnistrian sides are very different).



Tank lined in the aft hull of the PAP "Rapier". The hit immobilized the tank, but at the same time it retained its combat capability.

Caught cut off from the infantry tank commanders Bezgin and Grishin tried to return to the bridge. Grishin was the first to turn right through the right, after which, at the stern of the tank, he shot the calculation of the Rapier anti-tank machine, disabling the engine. Tank Bezgin was damaged, but did not lose the course and, leading the battle, went to the bridge.





The Russian flag painted on the tank had a great psychological effect on the Moldovan military (they thought that the 14 army of the Russian Federation directly intervened in the hostilities).



Tank damage from hits (v. Parcani, after the attack)

[Center]


Everyone knows the photo (© corbis) of the T-64BV which was shot down after the attack. [/ Center]

The tank, lined with Moldavian guns MT-12 "Rapier", seriously damaged, left Bender, and burned at the entrance to the village of Parcani. The crew moved to another tank and went into battle again.




Hit in the stern part of the turret of the T-64BV tank during the second attack.


The second attack was undertaken by two T-64BV tanks. The crew of one of the tanks took the tank along the same path as the tanks damaged before. The tank went forward and the shells from the "Rapier" with the rebound left armor.



T-64BV in the course of the second attack next to the tank that was shot down at the traffic police post.


Having reached the damaged tank at the fork, the tank turned around and framed the side of the stern. It was damaged in the very center of the park zone by a shot from the RPG-7. Having stayed there, the tank still started the engine and went back to Parkan with the installation of a smoke screen using thermal smoke equipment (TDA).



Tanks after the battle in the village of Parcani. Hit in frontal projection, damage to the DZ tower, thermal insulation casing shrapnel.


Damaged tanks were evacuated to Tiraspol, where they were repaired as soon as possible, two tanks can be attributed to irretrievable losses that cannot be restored. Then these tanks again took part in the hostilities. The operation on the release of Bender ended only 21 June.

The decisive attack began in the evening around 8 hours, it was attended by three T-64BV and three armored personnel carriers. This time, sufficient support was provided to infantry tanks ...

The attack took place along the already known (and the only possible) route towards the traffic police post. Anti-tank guns "Rapier" opened fire on the attackers, one of the shots hit the side of the tower of the first tank, its commander A. Smirnov was killed. The attackers bypassed the damaged tank, and the attack continued, a long battle ensued. At night, the Moldovan troops left their positions.



T-64BV near the city council of Bender.

After a number of cases of destruction of the T-64BV tanks into the aft sections of the turret and hull, decisions were made to increase their protection.

Additional protection was established with the help of the standard Koktnakt-1 hinged dynamic protection complex.







The disadvantages of this solution lie in the high probability of damage to the engine compartment system of the tank when the dynamic protection and anti-tank ammunition are activated together.



Another advantage of the T-64 - the presence of a closed (control from under the armor of the tank) machine-gun installation capable of firing on the upper floors of buildings, to provide protection against tank-dangerous infantry without leaving the armor protection. On the T-72 and T-80 the commander is forced to climb out of the tank to the waist, or even completely for firing from a machine gun installation. This is an extremely important aspect for conducting combat in the conditions of urban development.

And 2011 ………. Nine T-64BV tanks marched through the streets of the PMR capital Tiraspol.



T-64BV, as already mentioned, participated in just one war, but this is the tank that played the decisive role in it, the winning tank.



Note. I promised with the witnesses (participants) of these events both from the TMR and Moldova. Unfortunately, the data from them are very different, in many ways contradict each other. I very briefly tried to look at the events of those days on the basis of video analysis



(shootings of S. Skrypnyk, with whom I also communicated), data from the Transnistrian side. Unfortunately, a lot of things were simply forgotten by the participants, a lot of things were incorrectly estimated, I, at the same time, do not pretend that this material fully reflects the events of those days.

I treat both sides of those events with equal respect.
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  1. Prometey
    Prometey 13 May 2013 08: 34 New
    15
    Informative article, plus. But haven’t the T-64 been used in Chechnya? Maybe I confuse, of course.
    And so on the topic of the article - it’s a shame for the time when the peoples who still recently lived, though not always in agreement, but in the world, were plunged into war. And the Russian authorities behaved all the more disgracefully, leaving destructive processes to chance. And a disgrace to the command of the 14th army, which was sitting in the barracks, when civilians died on the streets of the cities of Transnistria. And respect for the valiant defenders of Transnistria and volunteers from Russia and Ukraine, who were able to stop the Moldovan crime.
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 13 May 2013 11: 06 New
      14
      Dear Sergey, there was no T-64 in Chechnya, because they were not in the troops stationed in this district.
      The Russian authorities were busy snatching something for themselves. Nobody thought about managing the country, much less about protecting the population. At the very top, dividing the country into specific principalities, they thought how to stay on the princely throne.
      In the 14th Army, officers and warrant officers did not receive a monetary allowance (salary) for several months. From Moscow there were orders not to intervene, to sit still, which only demoralized the military.
      The 14th army itself at that time represented, rather in numbers, the division that guarded the armament of the army.
      After the transition of two units with weapons to the side of the Transnistrians, General Lebed was sent from Moscow with the task of preventing the transfer of weapons and the transfer of military units to the side of Transnistria, and returning the transferred units and military equipment under the jurisdiction of Moscow. What he partially coped with.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 13 May 2013 12: 28 New
        10
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        Nobody thought about managing the country, much less about protecting the population. At the very top, dividing the country into specific principalities, they thought how to stay on the princely throne.
        In the 14th Army, officers and warrant officers did not receive a monetary allowance (salary) for several months. From Moscow there were orders not to intervene, to sit still, which only demoralized the military.

        I agree with you on this completely. But it’s a shame that the army stationed in Transnistria could have prevented bloodshed at all and its power would have been more than enough to cool the hot heads of the nedorum from Chisinau (its demonstrative deployment would have been enough). However, further events showed that the command of the army even refused to respond to the provocations of Moldovan militants (the shelling of positions of the 14th army was called so-called).
        As for the role of the Swan. The fact that he did not allow the squandering of arms of the 14th army is perhaps for the better. And, in principle, on this his main role was over.
        1. Argon
          Argon 13 May 2013 20: 52 New
          +2
          Dear Prometey, it’s not necessary to litter with words, not knowing the situation. The general merit of the general is that he “hushed up this whole mess in a quiet one,” these are not my words, but Grachev. They don’t put monuments in Transnistria, considering that he “took victory, "not only the residents of Kishinev but also the" politicians "of the unrecognized republic had to knock on the hill, decided to rage the heat with the wrong hands.
      2. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 13 May 2013 13: 50 New
        +1
        ATP for the information, interesting.
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 13 May 2013 20: 58 New
      +6
      The fighters of the PMR are worthy of respect! Glory to the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic!
    3. Civil
      Civil 13 May 2013 22: 10 New
      +8
      "Ballad of a dead tank."

      He crawled - smoky and scary

      extinguishing armor blow under the breath,

      As a soldier crawls from melee

      to die among their own ...

      A tank mortally wounded in an attack

      crawled to his own, apparently, for a reason -

      It’s not for nothing that they scraped like fingers,

      tracks on the asphalt of a taken bridge ...

      N. Smirnov.
  2. vkusniikorj
    vkusniikorj 13 May 2013 08: 44 New
    -2
    the article is murky, it says that those taken in a hurry from storage
    the tanks did not have active defense and anti-aircraft machine guns, but there are photos and videos.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 19 May 2013 21: 37 New
      +3
      There are dynamic protection boxes on the photo and video, but whether they are equipped with explosives or not is a question.
      Usually, in those days in OdVO elements of explosive for dynamic defense were stored separately, equipment was supposed to be prepared in preparation for combat use.
  3. Varnaga
    Varnaga 13 May 2013 09: 01 New
    0
    So that there are no questions, I propose to look at the afftor articles-stubborn Svidomo Andryusha Tarasenko.

    Gur Khan has more adequate material on this topic.
    Monument to the loser
    1. Kars
      Kars 13 May 2013 09: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Varnaga
      l have Gur Khan on this subject

      They made fun))))) all that he knows is the T-90 and the UVZ interrogation.
      Hunks drive for 500 rubles regretted to help make the star a quality model.
      But everything was for sure for the narrow-eyed money from the menga)))
      Quote: Varnaga
      To have no questions,

      And what would you take from the article and refute))))

      By the way, for Gurchik to hand over all the drawings to narrow-eyed, I am very grateful to him. I will definitely buy it.
      1. Varnaga
        Varnaga 13 May 2013 11: 41 New
        +3
        They made fun))))) all that he knows is the T-90 and the UVZ interrogation.

        I can say the same thing about Tarasenko (or a group of persons under this pseudonym) - the basing of our (Russian, i.e.) military-industrial complex and glorification of the minimal successes of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. There already, by the way, there was news about the T-90S in Peru. But how much was cheap PR from the Ukrainian media about allegedly participating in the tender crafts from Ukraine.

        And what would you take from the article and refute))))


        And what is there to refute? Here it is necessary to post the whole article, which I propose to do as an editor. That would be, so to speak, some controversy. yes
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 May 2013 11: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: Varnaga
          And what is there to refute? Here you have to post the whole article

          And you are a piece, so for the seed.
          Quote: Varnaga
          There already, by the way, there was news about the T-90S in Peru. But how much was cheap PR from the Ukrainian media about allegedly participating in the tender crafts from Ukraine.

          Is there evidence that they are not participating?

          surely www.defensa.com the resource in Spanish is subordinate to Ukrainian PR managers)))

          Actualmente, el Ejercito del Perú - en el marco del Programa de Modernización de las Fuerzas Armadas (Proyecto Ugarte) - tiene prevista la adquisición de entre 120 y 170 carros de combate que deberán remplazar a los vetustos T-55 incorporados entre 1973 En los últimos meses, el Comité Técnico Evaluador (CETO) - a cargo del General de Brigada EP José Luis Gómez Sánchez - ha evaluado técnicamente al M-78A1 Abrams (EE.UU), al Leopard 1A2 (ofrecido por España) y 4 Holanda), al T-2E y al T-6 OPLOT (Ucrania) y al T-64S. (Alejo Marchessini, Corresponsal de Grupo Edefa en Lima).


          Whatever official? And
          1. Varnaga
            Varnaga 13 May 2013 12: 11 New
            0
            surely www.defensa.com the resource in Spanish is subordinated to Ukrainian PR managers

            And what prevents the journalists from pushing more names into their article, for more entourage, so to speak?
            By the way, the T-64E serially is being produced? Or are we talking about some advertising concept with layouts as auxiliary weapons on the tower?

            And about the possibilities of Ukrainian tank building, I remember in May they promised to start supplying Oplot to Thailand, so where is it?))
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 May 2013 16: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Varnaga
              By the way, is the T-64E mass-produced?

              Do you need to? Fill out an application.
              Quote: Varnaga
              And about the possibilities of Ukrainian tank building, I remember in May they promised to start supplying Oplot to Thailand, so where is it?))

              May has not ended yet, and Gur Khanchik, by 10 articles on the abolition of the Thai contract, has not been born.
              Quote: Varnaga
              And what prevents the journalists from pushing more names into their article, for more entourage, so to speak?

              and it was the Ukrainian ones that stuffed that few other tanks?
      2. Varnaga
        Varnaga 13 May 2013 11: 46 New
        +1
        By the way, I came across Tarasenko’s link on the use of ET on an armored personnel carrier. APPLICATION OF ELECTROMECHANICAL TRANSMISSIONS FOR CARS OF THE CLASS OF BRONETRANSPORTERS
        While our Ukrainian brothers scratch their turnips and recommend something there, we have already plowed this topic from and to practical tests with specific results.
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 13 May 2013 15: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Kars
        And what would you take from the article and refute))))


        On the T-72 and T-80, the commander is forced to climb out of the tank to the waist, or even completely for firing from a machine gun mount. This is an extremely important aspect for the conduct of combat in urban areas.

        Do you also hold this view?
        1. Kars
          Kars 13 May 2013 17: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: Cynic
          Do you also hold this view?

          And what not? On T-72 and T-80BV there is no closed ZPU
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 13 May 2013 18: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            And what not? On T-72 and T-80BV there is no closed ZPU

            И
            An anti-aircraft machine-gun mount on the T-80U open type with a pedestal mount, which is a serious drawback compared to the T-80UD.

            That being said, Quietly slate rustling, Riding the roof, slowly
            Our top chic, among the control masters, was to tear down a matchbox from the Cliff on a fire shooting essno on instruments .
            I don’t know what to say _ memory aberration?
            bully
            1. Kars
              Kars 13 May 2013 19: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Cynic
              An anti-aircraft machine-gun mount on the T-80U open type with a pedestal mount, which is a serious drawback compared to the T-80UD.


              Where is it from?

              Another advantage of the T-64 - the presence of a closed (control from under the armor of the tank) machine-gun installation capable of firing on the upper floors of buildings, to provide protection against tank-dangerous infantry without leaving the armor protection. On the T-72 and T-80 the commander is forced to climb out of the tank to the waist, or even completely for firing from a machine gun installation. This is an extremely important aspect for conducting combat in the conditions of urban development.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 14 May 2013 18: 10 New
                0
                Quote: Kars
                Where is it from?

                It doesn’t matter (http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm), it’s all written about it _ What needs to be climbed out.
                also installed anti-aircraft 12,7-mm machine gun NSVT Utes.
                The commander is firing from it, being at this time outside the reserved volume.

                http://topwar.ru/5513-t-80-35-let-na-sluzhbe.html
                As they say _ Sister, and maybe in intensive care? - Patient, do not self-medicate! The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue! ...
                Although
                If you read the words “buffalo” on the elephant’s cage, don’t believe your eyes. ...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 14 May 2013 18: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Cynic
                  http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm

                  The possibility of a typo is excluded?
                  Quote: Cynic
                  http://topwar.ru/5513-t-80-35-let-na-sluzhbe.html

                  Here it may well be about BV
                  Quote: Black Colonel
                  And in the picture, in my opinion, the IS-2 with a DShK on a tower somewhere in Europe

                  In theory, even in Berlin
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 14 May 2013 18: 38 New
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    The possibility of a typo is excluded?

                    In the sense of ?
                    This phrase, one to one, where a lot is found.
                    So I’ll be counting _ There was an aberration of memory, after all, twenty years have passed.
                    Here are just reading articles about 80-ke and comparing them with what I remember ...
                    Rather, I need to talk more about sclerosis than aberration!
                    Glory to the Almighty, that is not about insanity!

                    drinks
                    The topic is closed.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 14 May 2013 18: 51 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Cynic
                      This phrase, one to one, where a lot is found.

                      Well, they tear it down in black, somewhere someone made a mistake, and the reposts went. Vryatli someone who is interested in tanks does not know about the ZPU T-80U and so it’s a disgrace to fake it, not a tank.
                      1. Cynic
                        Cynic 14 May 2013 21: 07 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        and so it’s a disgrace to disgrace oneself, not a tank.

                        The thing is that those 80s that I remember and the dates for their modernization are not at all those that are given in all kinds of printed works.
                        Me that heel in the chest to knock and assert _ I am the most intelligent !!!
                        I am silent about the Cypriot cars, they are just those.
                        drinks
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 14 May 2013 21: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Cynic
                        To me that heel in the chest to pound and assert _ I am the most intelligent !!

                        and why not. If no one will knock, people like me will find out the true state of things.
                      3. Cynic
                        Cynic 15 May 2013 17: 24 New
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        how do people like me find out the true state of things.

                        From network
                        Test30 Machine Gun Shooting
                        Tank T-80U test performed.
                        Comments of the Greek crew: the impossibility of aimed fire from the NSVT machine gun in motion, due to the lack of stabilization in the horizontal plane.
                        Shoot with a stabilized mark through the panoramic. All the same, better.

                        Report on the participation of the T-80U in the tender for the supply of the main tank for the armed forces of Greece
                        http://btvt.narod.ru/4/tender.htm
                        wink
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 15 May 2013 17: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Cynic
                        From network
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 14 May 2013 16: 12 New
      +1
      And in the picture, in my opinion, the IS-2 with a DShK on a tower somewhere in Europe.
  • Alew
    Alew 13 May 2013 10: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Varnaga


    Gur Khan has more adequate material on this topic.

    Thanks for the link
  • Phoenix s
    Phoenix s 13 May 2013 09: 59 New
    0
    And if the tanks went into battle fully loaded?
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  • Argon
    Argon 13 May 2013 12: 05 New
    +2
    I agree with vkusniikorg the article is chaotic, the impression is that it’s not finished, the author seems to be in a hurry, it could be edited. However, these videos are quite interesting in themselves, the quality of individual photos is low, obviously these are “piles” of some kind of material body, I think it would be better to submit in video format. Unless of course the author has such an opportunity. Here the amiable Prometey definitely got excited at the expense of the 14th army. Civil war in general, a thing "sklizy", and in those conditions (collapse of the state, in fact the absence of existing governance structures ty in Russia) you could easily turn from “helping” to a participant, you should also remember the position of Romania. Here, what does it mean to “sit out”, they’re military men, they need an order. They evaluated the situation (up to 14 reconnaissance groups of different levels worked at the same time) fairly objective information came to Moscow, making it possible to take adequate decisions. Trying to ensure parity to the Transnistrians, in conditions of political uncertainty, these tanks transferred and something else. There is no need to talk about the qualities of the T-64 in this conflict. the car is quite complex and untrained crew simply cannot realize its full potential. But the tankers are heroes, a daring, successfully completed attack (and this, as I understand it with the “non-cycling” KUV), if the “pekhtura” wasn’t a bf .r.a.l.a.s. at the bridge, everything would have ended successfully.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 13 May 2013 12: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Argon
      got excited at the expense of the 14th army. The civil war in general, a thing “sklizskaya”, and in those conditions (the collapse of the state, in fact the lack of existing power management structures in Russia) could easily turn from “helping” into a participant, you should also remember the position of Romania. That's what it means to "sit out", they’re military men, they need an order.

      As for the order, this is indisputable. To remove the escalation of tension in Transnistria, the political will and a distinct position of Moscow were enough (although what I mean - the former party princes had to stay at the feeding trough). In this case, the position of Romania would be of interest only to the Romanians themselves.
  • roial
    13 May 2013 12: 10 New
    +8
    In fact, in this article no one obscures the Russian military-industrial complex (not a word is said about it, nor is it about the Ukrainian military-industrial complex).
    Visually (with a large number of photos) the combat use of the T-64 is shown.
    Damages received by tanks in battle and ways to minimize them are considered.
    You would rather than refer to Comrade Gur Khan, give examples from the combat use of T-72, T-80, T-90 (preferably with a photo, and not links to the same Gur Khan, like he said, etc.)
    No one says that the T-64 is the best tank, it, like other tanks, has its own operating characteristics, its advantages and disadvantages.
  • smirnov
    smirnov 13 May 2013 12: 18 New
    +2
    It was striking that all the names of those participating in those battles are Russian ...
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 13 May 2013 12: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: smirnov
      It was striking that all the names of those participating in those battles are Russian ...

      So almost half of the population of Transnistria is Russian. Although, if you dig around and Moldovan surnames meet with Russian roots - the same president of Moldova was at that time - V. Voronin.
      1. vkusniikorj
        vkusniikorj 13 May 2013 15: 05 New
        +4
        stupid little brother! at that time, the president was the pro-Roman Snegur!
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 13 May 2013 19: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: vkusniikorj
          at that time, the president was the pro-Roman Snegur!

          I did not formulate the idea correctly, thanks for correcting. Voronin was after. And then immediately, you’re stupid.
          1. vkusniikorj
            vkusniikorj 14 May 2013 20: 36 New
            0
            first a wrong thought, then a wrong word, then a cartridge into the chamber and hello from the other side! wink.
  • roial
    13 May 2013 12: 22 New
    +7
    National composition of the PMR

    Over 177 thousand Moldovans (31,9%),
    more than 168 thousand Russians (30,4%)
    and more than 160 thousand Ukrainians (28,8%);
    followed by Belarusians, Bulgarians, Gagauz, Germans and Jews.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 13 May 2013 16: 29 New
    +5
    The civil war in Transnistria, where both the weapons are only Soviet on both sides and the former neighbors scorching each other, is a terrible historical nonsense. And I thank the author for the good quality material.
    1. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 13 May 2013 22: 08 New
      +1
      A specially compromised conflict in order to embroil two peoples - Moldavian and Russian.
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 13 May 2013 20: 33 New
    +1
    in 1991 they still lived in one country and were brothers, and in 1992 they became enemies.
  • Mister X
    Mister X 14 May 2013 21: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Prometey
    And respect for the valiant Transnistrian defenders and volunteers
    from Russia and Ukraine,
    who were able to stop Moldovan crime.


    You are probably far from Chelyabinsk.
    Even Moldovan criminals on the Dniester were discerned.

    In this conflict, neither I nor my relatives participated
    but it’s not pleasant for me to read these lines.

    At that muddy and turbulent time, Moldova (and not only it)
    a wave of national rebirth swept over.
    At the head of this movement were famous people: writers, poets, artists, scientists.
    How not to believe them?
    Therefore, many intelligentsia went to war.

    And what mess does without suspicious persons?
    As the saying goes: "to whom war is, and to whom - mother is dear."
    I am sure that such actors on both sides could not do without it.

    It is easy for an outside observer to juggle such expressions.
    Not for me, and especially not for you to judge this unfortunate event.
    Judge not lest ye be judged.
    Better to dream of those who perished in that conflict every night
    who unleashed this war and heated his hands on it.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 14 May 2013 22: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Mister X
      You are probably far from Chelyabinsk.
      Even Moldovan criminals on the Dniester were discerned.

      Understand, I do not blame all the people. This and similar wars throughout the alliance were unleashed by certain individuals or forces who, as you said, heated their arms. I clearly said that it was very disappointing that ordinary people were the victims of dirty parapolitical games. As for the criminals, I won’t take my words back - how else to call those who shot at civilians with sniper rifles and fired at ambulances? A normal person will never do this - this is banditry and criminality of the purest water.
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 15 May 2013 13: 47 New
        0
        A normal person will never do this -
        it is banditry and criminality of the purest water.


        Since the opening of the Nuremberg trials, they have been called war criminals.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 15 May 2013 14: 03 New
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          Quote: Mister X
          Since the opening of the Nuremberg trials, they have been called war criminals.

          Too much honor.
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 15 May 2013 17: 37 New
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            I will answer with the words of Lieutenant Rzhevsky:
            - The province. They may not understand ...
  • Mister X
    Mister X 14 May 2013 21: 28 New
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    Quote: Gamdlislyam
    General Lebed was sent from Moscow with the task of preventing the transfer of weapons and the transfer of military units to the side of Transnistria,
    and transferred units and military equipment to return under the jurisdiction of Moscow.
    What he partially coped with.


    I was in Transnistria: almost immediately after the ceasefire.
    They all idolized Alexander Ivanovich.
    Leaflets were pasted all over the city and, it seems, he even saw calendars with his portrait.
    The inscription read: "General Swan is the man who stopped the war."

    Yes, I did.
    Thank him for this and let the earth rest in peace ...
  • konstantins5s7e
    konstantins5s7e 15 May 2013 15: 17 New
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    it is necessary to gash a model on this subject)