Automatic… revolver!

8 288 29
Automatic… revolver!


“In order to fire, it was necessary not only to press the trigger, but to squeeze the entire revolver in your hand so that the second trigger was pressed into the handle from behind.”
"To a Secret Friend" by M. A. Bulgakov




stories about weapons. Not long ago, I read about an "automatic revolver" in an article on our website, and I thought the author was clearly trying to be in good company. Because who among famous writers hasn't confused a revolver with an automatic pistol? M. A. Bulgakov was especially distinguished, of course—he'd write whatever word suited his fancy. For example, in "The Master and Margarita," Azazello takes out "black automatic pistol", and then he appears as "revolver"In "Theatrical Novel" ("Notes of a Dead Man"), the author talks about a Browning pistol (a classic automatic pistol), but for some reason he stubbornly calls it a revolver.

"White Guard"... Here, the revolvers are Alexei Turbin's Browning, Nai-Tours's Colt, and Myshlaevsky's Parabellum. "Fatal Eggs"... The picture is exactly the same: "a huge, old-style Mauser pistol" Alexander Semenovich Rok was also later called a revolver.


Webley and Webley-Fosbury revolvers (bottom), circa 1901. The top revolver is the "ancestor" of its "self-cocking descendant." Royal Armouries, Leeds

But in Sinclair Lewis's novel "It Can't Be Done Here" there is this paragraph:

In Kansas, a man named George W. Smith, on the spur of the moment, gathered two hundred farmers, armed with shotguns and sporting rifles, and a ridiculously small number of automatic revolvers, and led them in burning down a Minutemen barracks.

But in this case, there's no mistake, because automatic revolvers did exist, albeit with a very specific name. The most famous is the Webley-Fosbery revolver, model 1901-1903. It was patented back in 1896 and was in production from 1901 to 1924. It was designed by British Colonel George Vincent Fosbery, a career soldier and recipient of the Victoria Cross, who served for many years in India (where he received the award in 1863). This revolver is just one of his many inventions. He also invented the explosive bullet, which exploded on impact, and the "paradox" bore for accurately firing both shot and bullets from the same gun barrel.


A 1903 sport shooting revolver with a 1890mm barrel. Royal Armouries, Leeds

Fosbury conceived a double-action revolver chambered for the powerful .455 caliber cartridge used in British army revolvers. The reason was that automatic pistols of the time fired low-power cartridges, and Fosbury believed that large-caliber bullets not only killed better but also knocked down. His revolver utilized the recoil energy both to cock the hammer and to rotate the cylinder. Initially, he considered redesigning the Colt SAA revolver, but when Colt was uninterested, he proposed his idea to Webley, using their revolver and their cartridges as a basis.


View from above

The revolver was designed so that the barrel and cylinder weren't permanently attached to the grip, but slid along grooves machined into it. When a shot was fired, the grip remained stationary, while the barrel and cylinder were forced rearward by the recoil force. This meant that the entire upper frame of the revolver, including the barrel, cylinder, and hammer, rolled back relative to the lower frame when the shot was fired. The revolver's cylinder featured zigzag grooves, which Fosbury borrowed from the Mauser Zig-Zag revolver, developed back in the 70s. In that revolver, a pin connected to the trigger rotated the cylinder, but Fosbury reversed the moving parts of the mechanism, so that the recoil force moved the cylinder relative to the fixed pin.


Root's 1855 patent for a revolver with zig-zag grooves on the cylinder. The ring-shaped trigger had a pin that engaged one of these grooves. When pulled back, the trigger simultaneously caused the cylinder to rotate!

This system provided the shooter with a consistent single-action trigger pull, allowing rapid fire (comparable to any semiautomatic pistol) with large-caliber cartridges. Furthermore, the movement of the revolver's massive components effectively absorbed the recoil of its large cartridge, making it more accurate than conventional revolvers of the same caliber.


The Remington Derringer features zig-zag rifling on its rotating barrel block…

The revolver also had a manual safety, and here's why: its trigger mechanism was single-action only, and it was impossible to carry the revolver with the hammer down and then fire it by pulling the trigger. The revolver had to be cocked (either with the hammer or by sliding the top of it back, simulating a shot), and it had to be carried with the hammer cocked. For safety, a manual safety lever on the left side of the grip had to be used, which could lock the trigger and the upper sliding frame with the barrel and cylinder.

The revolver was reloaded in the same way as a standard Webley revolver. A lever to the left of the hammer disengaged the cylinder from the frame, after which the barrel dropped down, and the automatic ejector ejected the spent cartridges. The cylinder could be reloaded with .455 cartridges one at a time or using the Pride speed loader.

The Webley-Fosbury revolver was chambered for two different cartridges: .455 and .38. The .38 ACP cartridge was introduced in 1900 and became something of a hit in the American market. The .38 ACP cartridge in Webley-Fosbury revolvers allowed the use of an 8-round cylinder, which was loaded using a spiral-shaped mechanism.


Webley-Fosbury .38 ACP Drum

The .455-caliber cylinder required no clip. However, it held only six rounds. British officers were required to purchase their own sidearms. They were required to use only the standard cartridge, so many of them purchased this .455 revolver, even though it was never officially adopted. The most common model was a 6-inch barrel with a blued finish. However, tastes vary, so Webley produced this revolver with both a 4-inch and a 7,5-inch (189 mm) barrel for target shooting. A compact "pocket" version was also available. A nickel-plated finish was optional (though few such revolvers were produced). With a 152 mm barrel, the revolver weighed 1,16 kg unloaded, making it a heavy weapon. Interestingly, the revolver with a 189 mm barrel was slightly lighter – 1,14 kg with an overall length of 297,00 mm.


Loading a Webley-Fosbury revolver using a Pride clip

A total of approximately 4200 revolvers were produced, primarily in .455 caliber, and only 417 in .38 ACP. Production continued from 1901 to 1924, though the volume was small—an average of 10 per week. During World War I, production ceased entirely, with all attention focused on the manufacture of standard military revolvers.

To fire the Webley-Fosbury revolver, you had to pull the hammer with two fingers of your left hand and pull the top of the revolver back. This cocked the hammer and rotated the cylinder. The revolver could now function as a pistol with a single-action trigger. If a misfire occurred, you had to repeat this procedure—grasp the hammer again with your left hand (or the barrel, which could be hot). This revolver also had no protection for the shooter's hand from the moving part of the top frame. But on the plus side, it had low recoil, a light trigger, and excellent accuracy!

At the outbreak of World War I, British pilots used it with some success, firing at German pilots before machine guns became standard aircraft armament. However, it performed poorly in the trenches, as its mechanism proved very sensitive to contamination. In 1907, the revolver was demonstrated at a trial of new pistols and revolvers in the United States. A model chambered for the American .45 caliber cartridge was demonstrated, but the Yankees rejected it, noting that it was large, heavy, and no better than a self-loading pistol.


Drawings of Charles Lefever's automatic revolver from a 1909 patent document.

However, the idea of ​​an "automatic revolver" did manage to permeate the American mind. And they, too, developed their own automatic revolver, the Union Automatic Revolver (also known as the Lefever revolver). It was designed by Charles F. Lefever (U.S. Patent No. 944,448, 1909) and manufactured by Union Firearms in Toledo, Ohio, chambering .32 caliber cartridges.

It was produced in limited quantities until 1912, when production ceased due to Union Firearms' exit from the pistol manufacturing business. It was similar in every way to the Webley-Fosbury automatic revolver, but featured a protective shroud covering the top of the grip, preventing the revolver's moving parts from coming into contact with the shooter's hand. For safe carrying, the revolver was equipped with a safety located above the left grip. The safety operates similarly to the safety on the AR-15 automatic rifle. To lock the top of the revolver, the safety is turned counterclockwise with the thumb. Interestingly, this revolver is called an automatic, although the automatic cycle does not include the ejection of spent cartridges from the cylinder. However, since it is a break-action revolver, the ejection of spent cartridges occurs simultaneously with the break-action frame being opened for reloading.


Union. Right side view.

To speed up reloading, the revolver was designed to be fed from accelerator clips. It's important to keep in mind that many early pistols of the era also used top-down magazine loading, like the famous Mauser C-96, so this shortcoming wasn't so obvious in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Only after the development of powerful and ergonomic pistols like the Luger and Browning pistols (models M1900, M1902, M1903, and M1905, which were the predecessors of the Colt 1911) did revolvers begin to be perceived as old-fashioned weapons, whose only advantage lay in their simplicity and reliability.


"Union". Drum

Around the same time, the Spanish company M. Zulaica y Cia (in 1905) also created the "Zulaica" automatic revolver. It was a true automatic revolver, featuring a blowback action and a hammer-type trigger. However, it held .22LR cartridges in a six-round cylinder. The cylinder, like a standard revolver, had to be loaded manually, one cartridge at a time. When fired, as expected, the bolt retracted, driven by zigzag grooves and a pin inserted into them. This rotated the cylinder, ejecting the spent case, and cocking the hammer. Production continued until 1920, but this "revolver-pistol" was not particularly popular.


Union. Strike

Today, there is an “auto-revolver” “Mateba” on the arms market, but it will be a completely different story...
29 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. 0
    9 March 2026 05: 56
    .. and high accuracy!

    Did gunsmiths have such characteristics?
    1. +1
      9 March 2026 06: 39
      Quote from skeptic
      Did gunsmiths have such characteristics?

      Exactly. That's why it was banned from use in shooting competitions...
      1. +3
        9 March 2026 06: 57
        But isn't accuracy a quality of a shooter?
        1. +1
          9 March 2026 07: 15
          Quote: novel xnumx
          But isn't accuracy a quality of a shooter?

          Roman asked an interesting question! Maybe it would be more correct to say "concentration"? what
          1. -1
            9 March 2026 07: 17
            Accuracy is a strange concept for a pistol (revolver). It's more a question of the shooter.
            1. +2
              9 March 2026 08: 25
              Quote: novel xnumx
              Rather, again to the shooter

              But what if you think about it? Accuracy is accuracy, even in Africa, although it manifests itself to varying degrees in different types of shooting! Accuracy can depend on the quality of the barrel, which is more pronounced in rifles, especially sniper rifles, but other design nuances can also play a role! For revolvers, design accuracy varies depending on whether the weapon is self-cocking or manually cocked, and for pistols, it depends on the type of action: sliding or fixed barrel, recoil or gas operation, and whether the weapon has a long or short barrel. A revolver—whether the cylinder slides onto the barrel or not. Or consider the trigger pull... Accuracy here depends both on the shooter (whether he jerks the trigger or pulls it smoothly) and on the design (whether the trigger is tight or soft). But the design (!) of a pistol or revolver largely determines the accuracy of fire, which is directly related to shooting accuracy! By the way, perhaps the word "accuracy" would be a better replacement for "accuracy" in this article?
              1. -1
                9 March 2026 10: 19
                Accuracy for a pistol (revolver) is generally a strange characteristic because it is "cantilevered" in the shooter's hand. Technically, it can be measured by clamping it in a vice, but it will be an empty game.
                1. -1
                  9 March 2026 10: 31
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  Technically, you can measure it by clamping it in a vice, but it will be a waste of time.

                  Why? Do you want "checkers or go"?
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  Accuracy for a pistol (revolver) is generally a strange characteristic because it is “cantilevered” in the shooter’s hand.

                  Wow! This is where the design nuances of a weapon in the hands of the same shooter begin to manifest themselves! And the "hand console" can vary from shooter to shooter. It's not for nothing that poor shooters are forced to hold a dumbbell (or, in a pinch, an iron) at arm's length for extended periods... wink
                  1. +1
                    9 March 2026 11: 06
                    An iron is good, and useful in any case. But shooting with a short-barreled weapon requires both off-hand and hip shooting, and other unexpected positions. Rather, extensive training with this type of weapon can help. And no matter how loose its mechanism, the owner will hit the target.
                    1. 0
                      9 March 2026 11: 09
                      Let me quote A.S. Pushkin, who understood something about this
                      I won't let you miss the map at thirty steps, of course with familiar pistols.
                    2. +1
                      9 March 2026 12: 49
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      But shooting with a short-barreled gun involves both "offhand" and "from the hip"

                      "I've heard"... even to the point of "Macedonian" shooting! You can show off in any way, but many "tricks" aren't good at marksmanship, even though they may have a right to "life"! Such "tricks" are often used out of necessity, like: "If you want to live, you'll stretch yourself out!" And don't confuse a professional "special forces" soldier with 20 years of experience with a young "officer" straight out of academy...
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      Long-term training with this type of weapon can help. And it doesn't matter how loose its mechanism is—the owner will get it.

                      I don't argue... But again, there's the same "nuance"! Comparison with a "contract soldier" with at least 10 years of "experience" and a "conscript"! Yes... "professionals" are powerful! The only problem is that they can quickly "run out"!
  2. +2
    9 March 2026 07: 41
    A 1903 sport shooting revolver with a 1890 mm barrel (c)
    Maybe 189 mm after all?
  3. bar
    +3
    9 March 2026 07: 42
    Great article as always. Thank you.
  4. +2
    9 March 2026 08: 52
    automatic revolvers really existed

    An interesting page in the history of revolvers. I never even thought about this possibility. Thank you!

    believed that large-caliber bullets not only kill better, but also knock people down

    That's right, along with the "penetrating" ability of a weapon, they also evaluate its "stopping" ability, both in the army and on the hunt
  5. 0
    9 March 2026 10: 03
    By the way, for what reasons was Landstad's "automatic revolver" "not involved" here? what
    1. +1
      9 March 2026 12: 34
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Landstad's "automatic revolver" turned out to be "not relevant" here?

      I wrote about it in detail already...
      1. -1
        9 March 2026 12: 58
        Quote: kalibr
        I've already written about it in detail..

        Well, about "Webley-Fosbury" too...however, this "revolver" is in this article!
        1. +2
          9 March 2026 13: 12
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          This article contains

          Well, then I was just too lazy to write...
          1. 0
            9 March 2026 13: 46
            Quote: kalibr
            Well, that means I was just too lazy to write.

            I understand and therefore respect the reason! hi Himself so! feel
  6. +8
    9 March 2026 10: 04
    and the "paradox" drilling for accurate shooting with both shot and bullets from the same gun barrel.

    The author combined a Lancaster bore with a Paradox muzzle attachment. The Paradox is a special attachment that screws onto the barrel of a shotgun and features a grooved section similar to that of a rifle. It's used when firing a shotgun with a slug; it's removed when firing shot.
    The Lancaster bore is an oval-shaped, screw-shaped bore running the entire length of the barrel. It can fire both shot and bullets.
    1. +1
      9 March 2026 13: 50
      When is a rifled choke most often used?.............................................................
      1. +2
        9 March 2026 14: 18
        The paradox is the replaceable rifled choke.
        https://custom-guns.ru/blog/post/65-chok-i-poluchok-v-oruzhii.html
  7. +4
    9 March 2026 10: 16
    Because who among famous writers has not confused a revolver with an automatic pistol.

    "Confused" isn't quite the right word. It's just that for a while, in Russian, a pistol was sometimes considered a variation of the more general term "revolver," and only later did a distinction emerge between different types of handguns—pistols and revolvers. For a while, all revolvers were also called "nagants," after the Nagant revolver.
    1. -1
      9 March 2026 14: 05
      Quote from solar
      It’s just that in the Russian language, for some time, a pistol was sometimes considered a variation of the more general concept of a revolver,

      Well, how can I put it? Essentially, a revolver is a revolver pistol, along with revolver carbines and shotguns! When revolvers appeared, people, who had been accustomed to the word "pistol" for centuries, initially began calling revolvers "pistols" too! But several decades of revolver dominance caused a similar "effect" with the advent of self-loading pistols! Perhaps the multiple-shot capability of both revolvers and pistols contributed to this!
      1. 0
        9 March 2026 14: 11
        Perhaps this was facilitated by the "multi-shot" nature of both revolvers and pistols!

        That's right. The first multi-shot weapons were revolvers, unlike the single-shot pistols that preceded them, so for a while, all multi-shot weapons were called revolvers.
  8. +2
    9 March 2026 10: 29
    Here! Here is an illustration for the article!
    1. -1
      9 March 2026 14: 17
      Quote: novel xnumx
      Here! Here is an illustration for the article!

      So where is the sensation? Just a “stylized” image of a Landstad revolver! wink
      By the way... there is a single-shot pistol (it can be classified as a sporting weapon) where the side plates imitate a revolver cylinder, and you can "hold" cartridges there! (a sort of "accelerator" for loading!) So what prevents you from placing an additional supply of cartridges in the handle of such a "firearm"? recourse
      1. The comment was deleted.
  9. 0
    11 March 2026 11: 45
    Thanks for the article. It's a bit strange to read "Webley." It's pronounced "Webley" in English. However, perhaps these words have become ingrained in Russian. Like how we called American planes "Tomahawk" and "Kittyhawk" during WWII.
  10. 0
    29 March 2026 21: 53
    Americans love experimenting with large calibers like .454 Casul or .500 Nitro and others for hunting revolvers. In my opinion, the Fosbury design works very well with them, with a constant trigger pull and a spread of recoil impulse across the recoil of the upper part of the revolver.