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The Ministry of Industry and Trade destroys the best in the world Mig-31 interceptor?

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The most dangerous direction for hitting Russia with cruise missiles and aviation - northern. In Soviet times, the space from the Kola Peninsula to Chukotka was immediately covered by two air defense armies - the 14th (Novosibirsk) and 10th (Arkhangelsk). It housed dozens of airfields with fighter-interceptors, hundreds of anti-aircraft missile divisions and units of the Radio Technical Forces (RTV), which carried out continuous control of airspace over the Arctic Ocean.


Over 20 over the years of perestroika, everything collapsed. And now there is a hole in 22 600 kilometers. In the current situation, when there is neither financial resources nor industrial opportunities to create such protection, the State Duma Committee for Defense recalled the MiG-31. The maximum speed is 3000 km / h, 600 km / h more than the Su-27 and the American fifth-generation F-22 Raptor aircraft.

“The P-37 air-to-air missiles on the MiG-31 can hit any small targets at a distance of 300 kilometers (and the most long-range American missiles of the same Phoenix class are up to 160 kilometers). The airborne equipment, although outdated, still provides for the exchange of radio-electronic information between MiG-31 aircraft flying at a distance of up to 200 kilometers from each other. As a result, a group of four such interceptors can reliably cover the space up to 1000 kilometers from enemy aircraft and cruise missiles, ”Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov, Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee said to Argumentam.ru.

According to the admiral, “a working ceiling in a kilometer 20-22 allows using this fighter against targets in near space, as well as using small anti-satellites into orbit. What makes the car very interesting for the Aerospace Defense forces being formed in the country. Not without reason, the codification of the NATO MiG-31 is Foxhound ("Fox Hound") ".

According to experts, after upgrading, primarily onboard electronics, MiG-31 interceptor fighters, even more than 10, will have no equal years in the world. Total MiG-31 various modifications were released around 500 pieces. Now there are 122 cars left on the wing. The command of the Air Force in the framework of modernization is trying to create a completely different class of vehicles from fighter-interceptors - the front bomber. And to intercept leave Su-27 and Mig-29. Both of these machines are significantly inferior in the range of interception "hound."

- In Soviet times, I on the MiG-31 participated in exercises over the Arctic Ocean. Together with me there was also a Su-27 fighter and an A-50 long-range radar patrol aircraft. Opponent designated strategic bomber Tu-95, flying from the pole. A-50 gave me targeting. I made an interception shot at maximum speed. And those who did not beat me, finished off the Su-27. Therefore, it is not necessary to oppose one type of fighter to another. Each has his own task, says Honored Test Pilot, Hero of Russia Roman Taskaev.


It is clear that the Air Force is just pulling time, because soon there will be horns and legs from the MiG-31. According to the State Duma deputy, twice Hero of the Soviet Union Svetlana Savitskaya, the Ministry of Industry and Trade has already sent an order to the Nizhny Novgorod plant Sokol signed by Minister Manturov to 2013 to dismantle the MiG-1993 production line stopped in 31.

American experts have already said: “The Russians themselves pulled out their fangs from the foxhole.”
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  1. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 12 May 2013 07: 49 New
    29
    Until they are planted, and better shot, effective traders in the army will continue.
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 12 May 2013 11: 26 New
      +4
      better hanged. and in public .... but alas, unrealistic. You will have to hang so much that there are not enough lamps.
    2. bilgesez
      bilgesez 12 May 2013 12: 42 New
      +1
      Putin will not shoot himself
    3. astra
      astra 12 May 2013 16: 00 New
      +2
      Interceptor Mig-31 unique aircraft. And the fact that the number of aircraft decreases every year is very alarming. It is necessary not only to modernize the entire fleet of aircraft, but also to resume their mass production. having such holes in the airspace, it was necessary to plug holes yesterday with the latest and modernized Migi 31. They can be reckoned as unique, invaluable for the country’s benefits, complexes like BZHRK.
      1. Lone gunman
        Lone gunman 12 May 2013 17: 59 New
        -2
        Do not pull the country back to 70 years, you know that it is very expensive to maintain, that the MiG 31 already has metal fatigue and their windshields burst, you need a completely new high-speed aircraft, and carry on 2 programs (modernization of the old and a new plane) the state has no money — Zhirik has the Communists for all the money — they all want to nationalize, so that there is progress in aviation and not only absolutely new technologies are needed, to some extent this is necessary for the whole economy, a new fighter is needed interceptor with one task is to catch up and destroy echnology is, but "a visual signal" not ...
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 01: 01 New
      0
      Enough to earn + on patriotic moods. We have a national idea!. Yes, but no one will ever give-MIG-No! 31 to hack. Stupidly we won’t. As the pilot say. Well, hold me? I will give you so many facts -Your ...... lick .......
      1. commentor
        commentor 13 May 2013 08: 54 New
        +1
        Reasonable hello. As a pilot, comment on the situation with the OKR Zaslon-AM.
        The MiG-31BM is turned on by the Barrier-A based radar with target detection rates of 240km with an EPR of 19m ^ 2.

        If it’s not difficult for you, tell me at what distance the MiG-31BM can carry out interceptions of the Kyrgyz Republic.
        Thank you.
      2. Lone gunman
        Lone gunman 13 May 2013 16: 38 New
        0
        I minus you for "hug me" and for "licking", well, why you don’t think so well about people, you yourself don’t know where the glass of the monitor is, and you think you can offend everyone, you know how to write an adult when meeting with a sura I would have a conversation, and so I agree with you on one thing, our patriots + cheers will earn because they have inflated fingers like those of secretary-clerks (in place of hands), but in reality for the most part they are nothing bad and good, so mediocre ...
  2. Delink
    Delink 12 May 2013 08: 00 New
    +6
    Where is Putin looking? How long can stupid management go on. Where is Shoigu? Why is he silent?
    Soon the people will surely rebel, and the whole government will trample. Or maybe they’ve been sitting on suitcases for a long time? As Pushkin wrote: - "God forbid to see the Russian rebellion, meaningless and merciless."
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 12 May 2013 11: 25 New
      +4
      YES, let them sit, but I recommend that we don’t re-read the collected works of Lenin, mail, telegraph and train station to these clever people, but blocking banking institutions and blocking the airport is a simple matter.
      What are scum hoping for?
      How much can our country really tear to shreds?
      It’s time for the people to consolidate in the eyes of the threat coming from the west, it is worse than fascism, because At first glance, it seems that the nas from inside are corroding. But this is not so, there is always a trunk from which branches go. We must tear this trunk with roots. I think you all understand what kind of overseas partners I mean. Consider the effect of these nits, and then we will quickly figure out our fifth column. It would be a desire.
  3. Rus2012
    Rus2012 12 May 2013 08: 07 New
    15
    In my humble opinion, the developer of some aircraft systems, the Mig-31 is an outstanding aircraft, however, it is better to create a new aircraft on its basis than to restore the production of this model. For many technologies and production elements are simply simply outdated, and many are not recoverable / lost ...
    In the meantime, put into operation gliders from the reserve (withdrawn sides for one reason or another), after upgrading the equipment ...
    For the time while they will reach the resources - quickly create a functional analogue on a new elemental and technical base ...
    1. the polar
      the polar 12 May 2013 08: 50 New
      +8
      Quote: Rus2012

      For the time while they will reach the resources - quickly create a functional analogue on a new elemental and technical base ...

      For a new elemental and technical base, new production must first be created. And for a market Russia it is much more profitable to engage in speculation trading.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 12 May 2013 09: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Polar
        For a new elemental and technical base, new production must first be created.

        This article provides only one side of the case.
        Here are the echoes of the renewal discussion.

        The State Duma discussed the prospects of resuming the production of MIG-31
        12.04.2013
        http://www.komitet2-15.km.duma.gov.ru/site.xp/052057124055056051.html

        And here - http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/04/23/253841.html
        comprehensive analysis and statement of the problem
        MiG-31: pros and cons
        The fate of a unique interceptor capable of hitting objects in near space remains in question
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 12 May 2013 09: 13 New
          +5
          MiG-31: pros and cons
          The fate of a unique interceptor capable of hitting objects in near space remains in question
          .
          Gotta move on

          Today we are considering the development prospects of fighter aircraft, in particular the MiG-31BM. There are no people in this room who do not understand that this is a unique plane. That is why it is still in the combat structure of the Air Force, is actively operated and included in the State weapons program, according to which 60 units are subject to modernization. As a result, we get a new aircraft with completely different characteristics.

          Unfortunately, modernization is not quite true. At one time, when the Air Force and the Air Defense Forces of the country were combined, the units armed with the MiG-31 aircraft became part of the Air Force, which solve the tasks of not only intercepting air targets at all heights, including space, but also ground and marine objects. Therefore, one of the directions of modernization of the aircraft is to give it the functions of a front-line bomber, including the possibility of bombing using guided aerial bombs.

          But the MiG-31 should be developed as a supersonic long-range fighter-interceptor, capable of intercepting both air targets and spacecraft entering the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds. It is this path that should become promising. I am sure that in the next weapons program the modernization of the MiG-31BM fleet will go in this direction.

          As for the possibility of resuming production. Now there are no such plans either in the State Arms Program or in the federal target program “Development of the Military-Industrial Complex of the Russian Federation”. Probably not worth doing this today. You must first restore the airworthiness of all available MiG-31.

          We have a unique experience of similar work with helicopters. In particular, part of the Mi-24 was essentially transformed from scrap metal into combat-ready aircraft and sold to one of the African countries. This is the result of the targeted activity of the Rostov Helicopter Plant, during which a completely new technology for the restoration of flight resources was used. Obviously, it can be applied to the MiG-31.

          At the same time, this aircraft cannot be operated indefinitely. You can extend the flight resource, as, for example, the Americans do with the B-52. It is two times older than the MiG-31, however, 90 units still fly and only the name and appearance remind of the aircraft that was produced in the United States in the 50's. Avionics and its capabilities are completely different. On the same path you need to go with the MiG-31.

          Of course, such an aircraft will be needed in the future, because the continuing challenges and threats, the likelihood of a strike from space determine the creation of a worthy counteraction, including from fighter aircraft.

          In addition, it is necessary to consider, taking into account the development of East Kazakhstan troops, the possibility of transferring to them some units and parts of fighter aircraft, which will be intercepting them at all altitudes, including the stratosphere, in a unified system of fire destruction of air and space targets. Currently, only the MiG-31 is capable of performing these combat missions.

          If we take the path of modernization within the framework of the GPV-2020 and GPV-2025, we will save the MiG-31 fleet, give it new combat properties and ensure that the tasks of intercepting air and space targets that the Air Force faces are fulfilled.

          At the same time, according to the new State weapons program, it is necessary to begin work on creating a new model that has better properties than the MiG-31. Because it is a good plane, but you need to move on.

          Mikhail Kashtan,
          Member of the Military Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 12 May 2013 09: 16 New
          +3
          MiG-31: pros and cons
          The fate of a unique interceptor capable of hitting objects in near space remains in question

          Excess wear

          What is the MiG-31M? This is a deep modification of the already very good MiG-31.

          The first flight of the MiG-31 took place on April 22 1976 of the year. Already by the end of 1976, they began testing all this unique complex.

          In the 1985, the first flight of the MiG-31М was completed, in the 1987-m, the MiG-31D and anti-satellite missile tests.

          In 1988-1989, flight tactical characteristics of the MiG-31M combat complex were confirmed - the maximum parameters M = 2,83 with six and ten P-37 (K-37) missiles were achieved. At the same time, the aircraft became more maneuverable due to the new control system. MiG-31M in comparison with the MiG-31 and MiG-31D is already a completely different machine, which worked very easily.

          In 1994, Boris Yeltsin congratulated the Mikoyan Design Bureau on the occasion of the first and incredible destruction of a small target at a distance of 300 kilometers. After that, the work stopped.

          In parallel, there was a massive destruction of the MiG-23, MiG-27, the cessation of purchases of the MiG-29, Su-27, which resumed literally in the last few years.

          It must be understood that most of the aircraft in operation have extreme or prohibitive wear on the glider, engines and components. For all these models, cooperation has been largely lost; many production lines have remained abroad.

          What to do in these conditions? In my opinion, as a military pilot, it is now best not to discuss, but as soon as possible everything that can still be developed, developed. Existing facilities, such as the unique Nizhny Novgorod aircraft factory Sokol, need to be urgently restored. Because today, in terms of the number of aircraft, we are very much inferior to any potential enemy. Great China, which is growing and also has its own geopolitical interests in relation to Russia, has not yet been mentioned here.

          Anatoly Kvochur,
          chief designer of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Flight Research Center", honored test pilot of the USSR, Hero of Russia
          1. DRUG DRUG
            DRUG DRUG 12 May 2013 09: 48 New
            +2
            You said: “Now it’s best not to discuss, but to develop as soon as possible everything that can still be developed, to develop. Existing production facilities, for example, the unique Nizhny Novgorod aircraft plant“ Sokol ”, need to be urgently restored.” I fully support. There is no time for buildup and controversy. Need to act. In fact, under the conditions of potential threats and the political situation in the world, we live in pre-war conditions. And to have strong arguments, you need to gain strength as quickly as possible.
        3. Rus2012
          Rus2012 12 May 2013 09: 20 New
          +1
          MiG-31: pros and cons
          The fate of a unique interceptor capable of hitting objects in near space remains in question

          ..........
          Unfortunately, we have brought our Armed Forces to such a state that now we need a discussion about whether we need the MiG-31.

          ..........

          What are we ready to oppose during the aerospace offensive invasion? According to open sources, the Russian Air Force has 80 strategic bombers, 150 long-range bombers and 953 fighter aircraft. The general composition of combat aviation - 1614 aircraft, the correlation of forces - one in three is not in our favor.

          Among the problems of aerospace defense (EKR) of Russia should be highlighted weak control of airspace at low altitudes. It is carried out only at 33 percent of the territory of the country, at high altitudes - at 51 percent. The length along the borders at low altitudes is only 23, and at medium and large - about 60 percent.

          Currently, the Russian Air Force is actively rearming. There are both the new Su-35С and the passing T-50, as well as the upgraded Su-27СМ3 and MiG-31БМ, capable of hitting objects in near space.

          According to a number of European military experts, the air defense system, together with aviation, is capable of destroying up to 60-65 percent of the enemy’s air attack and disrupting the NATO military air-space offensive operation. But the degree of its combat readiness is in question.

          Conclusion. Russia needs modern aviation for aerospace defense, the resumption of production of the MiG-31BM interceptor. This is not a competition of the Su-35С, but the addition of the advantages and elimination of the shortcomings of two unsurpassed aircraft of modern Russia.

          We gathered to discuss the advisability of resuming the production of the famous MiG-31 interceptor fighter. About 500 units were produced such aircraft, but no more than 120 remained in their troops. Production was canceled in the mid-90's, despite the fact that this aircraft will surpass modern and foreign counterparts in many respects in the coming 10 years.

          Our deputies - members of the State Duma Defense Committee conducted a more in-depth study of this problem with traveling to active military units and enterprises of the military-industrial complex.

          As a result, we came to the conclusion that in a relatively short time it is possible to restore the production of a unique aviation complex to fulfill the tasks of aerospace defense. The Russian Armed Forces will have for many years a multifunctional unsurpassed long-range aircraft, which has no equal in the world. And our "white swans" will eventually fly over the ocean in reliable escort.

          Vladimir Komoedov,
          Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Admiral
          1. DRUG DRUG
            DRUG DRUG 12 May 2013 09: 36 New
            +2
            Totally agree with you. It is imperative to resume production of this unique MIG-31 aircraft. And you need to do this as soon as possible. We have no time for buildup and discussions. The threats to Russia are too great at present. I am glad that the country's leadership is actively updating the armament of the army, including the Air Force and Air Defense. I really hope that all the same, the arguments of healthy forces will outweigh and Russia will be able to organize the release of the MIG-31 as soon as possible.
        4. Rus2012
          Rus2012 12 May 2013 09: 22 New
          +2
          MiG-31: pros and cons
          The fate of a unique interceptor capable of hitting objects in near space remains in question

          .
          The State Duma Defense Committee continues to hold a series of parliamentary hearings on legislative support for Russia's defense. The topic of the next meeting, held on April 11, is "Resumption of MiG-31 production: reality and prospects." This question, which at first glance implies a definite answer, provoked a heated debate in which diametrically opposed opinions clashed.

          Potential for aviation development preserved

          Today we have gathered to consider one of the most important and fundamental issues behind which is the real modernization of the country.

          I want to remind you that the most effective transformations in the history of our state took place under Peter the Great.

          The second largest modernization laid the foundations of socialist industrialization. In ten years, six thousand were built at that time of the best factories, including the Sokol association that produced the MiG-31. It is difficult to imagine the volumes of that enormous and extremely important for the state’s security work that ensured the victory in May of 1945.

          The next modernization was led by Brezhnev and Kosygin. For 15 years, we have created the country's main energy base, ensured nuclear missile parity and saved the world from a major war. Much of what is used and fills our budget today was laid in those years.

          Vladimir Putin recently noted that it is extremely important to start a new modernization and the experience of the 30's can do a good job. In particular, it is planned to allocate five trillion rubles to support aviation - this is a lot of money and it is important that they go as intended.

          It should be noted that the air base created in our country is one of the best. At the time, 15 aircraft factories produced 1,5 thousands of aircraft. Only the Kazan Aviation Plant could build the 50 Tu-160 and 50 Il-62 in a year. Recently, he has not been able to assemble even a couple of aircraft, although the potential remains. IL-86, which was produced at the Voronezh Aviation Plant, was the best larger fuselage aircraft. Over the 30 years of operation, it has never crashed with passengers - this is one of the safest cars.

          Our fighter aircraft was not inferior to anyone in the world, the MiG-31 held a leading position in it. For ten years, not a single machine was put to assembly on the stocks of the existing workshops of the factory producing this fighter, although it could be sold on the world market and further modernized the most important industry.

          This problem has come to the fore today, because it is extremely important to develop our domestic aviation and maintain technological chains, without which a breakthrough into the future is impossible.

          It is extremely important for us not only to preserve, but also to increase all the best. At least in this all the factions in the State Duma are united. Today's discussion should give a new impetus to aviation support and the implementation of the program that the president promises to launch. We will contribute as much as possible to this process. It is important that the story of the enormous resources that "pumped" into the military-industrial complex under the previous leadership of the Ministry of Defense is not repeated.

          Gennady Zyuganov,
          Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, head of the Communist Party faction in the State Duma
        5. Apollo
          12 May 2013 13: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          The State Duma discussed the prospects of resuming the production of MIG-31


    2. vkz
      vkz 12 May 2013 11: 15 New
      -5

      The functional analogue of the MiG-31 has long been created, has been successfully tested and is already being mass-produced, and has begun to enter the Air Force. This is the Su-35S. Moreover, he, as a multifunctional aircraft, along with the functions of a “clean” interceptor, is also a very good bomber (and much more than that).
      And in the conditions of the current scarcity of resources, I consider the multiplication of functionally similar aircraft to be a simple squandering of funds.
      So the MiG-31 was indeed a good (namely not bad, but by no means outstanding) interceptor, but its time has irretrievably gone.
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    1. Armata
      Armata 12 May 2013 10: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: Rudakov
      Where are the "defenders of the Fatherland" for 80 rubles per comment? the government is wreaking havoc on defense, and on the air there is silence ...
      You have been removed, but I am just quoting your comment. You are right for all 100%
      1. TUMAN
        TUMAN 12 May 2013 16: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Mechanic
        Where are the "defenders of the Fatherland" for 80 rubles per comment? the government is wreaking havoc on defense, and on the air there is silence ...

        This is not a government! These are traitors! Real patriots fester in prison (Kvachkov, Khabarov), and are shot (Budanov). And enemies are awarded with awards (Kadyrov, Gorbachev, Berl Lazar). And the destruction of the army gets away with some, (taburetkin) I don’t even want to name this by name! Lunatic Medvedev "led" the country, and now the government, a complete collapse. Open your eyes! The country is being drained! The one who gave the order to cut the BZHRK, now declares that it is necessary to revive! What the hell is that? Do you learn to respect yourself? How much can you remove the noodles? Destroy Russia! And then Putin praises the praises, they will soon lead the formation to the slaughter, and you will seek all excuses for them.
  5. mogus
    mogus 12 May 2013 08: 19 New
    +4
    I'm not a deep specialist, but what if ground-based air defense / missile defense does not work (for various reasons). Then only a MiG-type plane ... My brother served in the East Kazakhstan region of Ulan-Ude, radars, translators from Chinese ...
  6. pakfa-t-50
    pakfa-t-50 12 May 2013 09: 01 New
    0
    Let's destroy the PAK FA and then the entire defense industry, you’re so naughty!
    1. Borat
      Borat 12 May 2013 09: 37 New
      0
      See link: http://www.evartist.narod.ru/text1/20.htm
  7. cyclist
    cyclist 12 May 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    apparently the main advantage of the Mig-31 is that it will allow you to quickly close gaps and open areas with air defense systems
  8. Armata
    Armata 12 May 2013 10: 32 New
    +8
    You can ban. But we need a revolution. Only a revolution will save Russia from all the scum that sticks to us and lives at our expense. I am ready to work for the people, but not ready to work for bloodsuckers, but it turns out the opposite. There is a systematic lowering of the country in the threshing floor under a beautiful candy wrapper. Tired.
    1. Htuek
      Htuek 12 May 2013 10: 46 New
      +1
      Well, let's. Suggest a way out of the situation. Just keep in mind that I am! I’ll be on the other side of the barricade. Because that plant on MEU where I work is provided with orders. And from my bell tower, not everything is so bad.
      1. cyclist
        cyclist 12 May 2013 10: 54 New
        0
        and what kind of plant for MEU? what
        1. Htuek
          Htuek 12 May 2013 10: 56 New
          +1
          http://www.radar-mms.com/
      2. Armata
        Armata 12 May 2013 11: 02 New
        10
        Quote: Htuek
        U let's. Suggest a way out of the situation. Just keep in mind that I am! I’ll be on the other side of the barricade. Because that plant on MEU where I work is provided with orders. And from my bell tower, not everything is so bad.
        I work at the Scientific Research Institute of Hydromeshpribor Research and Production Enterprise and live not quite badly, but only if you measure everything with salaries then compare the salary of the engineer of your plant with the salary of a doctor in the village (although he studied much longer). So I see the whole situation from the inside out. By the way, answer simple questions.
        1. Why did we move orders for Beria, IL476, MS21, and put stands for SU30MKI on the first line?
        2. Why did the Armata platform suspend alterations at the test benches for the hulls and order additional slipways for the assembly of the T90M for the Hindus?
        3. Why did we suspend work on a project of a promising destroyer due to a lack of budget, but willingly take money from Vietnam and Italy to supply hydraulics to their ships of 2 rank (it is not more important to make your own 1 rank)?
        4. Why do we have to live on commercial orders for garbage trucks even though we belong to the defense industry?
        1. Htuek
          Htuek 12 May 2013 11: 12 New
          +4
          I will apologize on this issue. Since I do not own information. But you're demanding a revolution, what do you propose in return? How do we know that having made a coup, our enterprises will not let you go at all. How do we know that those who are in pain for our industrial potential will come to power. Maybe again in the wake of the 90s privatizators. Difficult question. But now, when the Northern Press and Vector started working, I really would not want them to fall into the depths of hard times again.
          1. Armata
            Armata 12 May 2013 11: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Htuek
            Difficult question. But now, when the Northern Press and Vector started working, I really would not want them to fall into the depths of hard times again.
            "Vector" in my hometown is located in Yekaterinburg. And the fact that he earned is a question. And sits at weather stations. I often have to meet with Bogatyrev, so their factory can’t even restore the service of the chief mechanic, they just flee to us. And about the ruler. Right now they’ll recruit themselves and merge the country. All that is done is just a mask for earning political and financial capital.
        2. TUMAN
          TUMAN 12 May 2013 16: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          1. Why did we move orders for Beria, IL476, MS21, and put the stands for SU30MKI in the first line? 2. Why did the Armata platform suspend alterations at the test benches for hulls and order additional slipways for assembling the T90M for Hindus? 3. Why did we suspend work on a project of a promising destroyer due to a lack of budget, but at the same time willingly take money from Vietnam and Italy to supply hydraulics to their ships of 2 ranks (it is not more important to make your own 1st rank)? 4. Why do we have to live on commercial orders for garbage trucks even though we belong to the defense industry?

          Yes, they merge Russia in a quiet, simple and correct way from their point of view!
          We will build a new world order against Russia, at the expense of Russia, and on the wreckage of Russia.
          These are the words of Brzezinski, and he knows what he is saying!
        3. jjj
          jjj 12 May 2013 17: 52 New
          0
          You can get excited, of course, but sometimes, nevertheless, it must be done silently. Remember, the enemy is eavesdropping
        4. albert
          albert 12 May 2013 23: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          1. Why did we move orders for Beria, IL476, MS21, and put stands for SU30MKI on the first line

          It seems to me because of the showdowns in our arms lobby. In the aircraft building industry, Poghosyan and Sukhoi are the main weighters. It is not surprising that they knock out weapons orders for themselves, while quite deliberately spreading the rival MiG and others.
  9. SPB79
    SPB79 12 May 2013 10: 58 New
    +8
    Quote: Mechanic
    You can ban. But we need a revolution. Only a revolution will save Russia from all the scum that sticks to us and lives at our expense. I am ready to work for the people, but not ready to work for bloodsuckers, but it turns out the opposite. There is a systematic lowering of the country in the threshing floor under a beautiful candy wrapper. Tired.

    A revolution is a lot of blood. But you can’t live like that further. Don't they really understand this upstairs?
    1. Armata
      Armata 12 May 2013 11: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: SPB79
      A revolution is a lot of blood. But you can’t live like that further. Don't they really understand this upstairs?
      I understand everything, but up there nobody wants to hear anyone. Sverdlovsk oblast was inundated at one point after being appointed ambassador of the former workshop foreman. He has no political weight, no connections in the ministry, but he blundered on time on TV that UVZ would bring tanks to Ekat if necessary at a rally in support of GDP. Here is a concrete example of how you need to lick a point to a brilliant shine who needs it. Although now, in addition to problems with traffic in the city, in the morning, 0 is simply useful for him. Think for yourself who rules us.
      1. cyclist
        cyclist 12 May 2013 11: 40 New
        -1
        revolution is not an option. firstly, as was rightly said above, where is the guarantee that many enterprises will not be bent upon a change of power and millions of people will not be left without work, and secondly, people with different slogans will run to power put forward a united patriotic front, for many instability in the country will be an occasion to change their position
        1. Armata
          Armata 12 May 2013 11: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: cyclist
          Evolution is not an option. Firstly, as was rightly said above, where is the guarantee that many enterprises will not be bent when the power changes and millions of people will not be left without work, and secondly, people with different slogans will run to power put forward a united patriotic front, for many instability in the country will be an occasion to change their position
          A revolution can be bloodless. Do you think the GDP will not squeeze the sphincter if the people on the ground for the most part cast a vote of no confidence in their governors, mayors, plenipotentiaries and parliament, and if the people demand the same Serdyuk? I thinking he will feel like baking from below and will not just hang noodles on the people, but will begin to do something. So the baricades are the last century, the point is rather weak among the rulers, as soon as they die, they can catch fire, they will start to do something in a swoop.
          1. cyclist
            cyclist 12 May 2013 12: 12 New
            +1
            GDP is unlikely, we most likely don’t know many things of the president’s foreign policy, we don’t know what conditions the United States and the EU may put forward, in other words, what could be made simple, made difficult !!
            1. Armata
              Armata 12 May 2013 14: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: cyclist
              we don’t know what conditions the USA and EU can put forward
              That is, you recognized that they dictate conditions to us? And then who is the GDP if he listens to them?
              Quote: cyclist
              GDP is unlikely, we most likely don’t know many things of the president’s foreign policy,
              That is, to the detriment of domestic policy, are we pulling foreign? And you specifically do not care what is going on behind the cordons? If you consider that most Muscovites do not care for locks, it becomes clear, well, what can I say. Go into the arms of the Tolerasts.
              1. cyclist
                cyclist 13 May 2013 04: 02 New
                -1
                the fact of the matter is that I’m not going to earn, but let's say Russia has many enemies (just look at the globe) and get another conflict somewhere in the south of the country is extremely undesirable. For example, Russia, for some reason, does not crawl out of the Caucasus early 90s, I think in the West, instability is beneficial
      2. TUMAN
        TUMAN 12 May 2013 16: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        Think for yourself who rules us.


        And all according to plan!

        4. A large population of Slavs we deprive the national elite, which determines the course of events, the progress of the country. And, ultimately, the whole course of history. To do this, we will lower their educational level - in the next 5 years we will close half of their institutions, and in the other half we will study. Let’s put in there more Armenians, Chechens, gypsies and the like. We will seek to ensure that in the governments of the Slavic countries there are as few representatives of indigenous peoples as possible, who will be replaced by our Jewish elite.

        In the media - on radio, television, the press, in art, literature, theater, and cinema, we will gradually supplant the national cadres, replacing them with ours or, in extreme cases, cosmopolitan.

        Humanization of education will be carried out, as a result of which objects that structure the thinking of the left and right hemispheres of the brain will be reduced and destroyed:
        a) Language and literature,
        6) Physics and mathematics.
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 12 May 2013 18: 18 New
          -2
          I beg of you! When were the Slavs in the elite?
  10. cyclist
    cyclist 12 May 2013 11: 00 New
    0
    understandably!! hityped in a search engine jumped out- "electric shock machine" laughing
    1. Htuek
      Htuek 12 May 2013 11: 02 New
      0
      Micro electronic device hi
  11. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 12 May 2013 13: 07 New
    +5
    Honestly - there isn’t enough anger. Over the Air Force they were completely and completely unpunished. Where is Comrade Zelin? That's right at the feeding trough. As a comrade Zibrov, the head of the university where meteoshniks were trained, became the head of the university, where now almost all specialists for the Air Force are trained? For example, the Irkutsk school was scattered to pieces. They restore airfields that were destroyed and sentenced to say They don’t need them. The same Zelin said. What kind of Mu-Dak decided to convert the MiG-31 into a bomber? !! I saw with my own eyes a military town in Chukotka, where everything was and all this was abandoned and is unlikely to be restored. From the North, we naked and defenseless, even more defenseless than with each other their directions. What independent policy can we talk about with virtually no air defense system in the country?
  12. aviamed90
    aviamed90 12 May 2013 13: 08 New
    +1
    cyclist, htueku

    And I thought Macroeconomic Management.

    And what's the difference in our situation?
  13. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 12 May 2013 13: 10 New
    +4
    Voentorg in a town in Chukotka. Coal Mine Village 2006
  14. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 12 May 2013 13: 13 New
    +1
    Inside the houses.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 May 2013 13: 54 New
    +1
    MiG-31 is certainly a good aircraft, but ... Here we stupidly speculate. For the most effective cover for these aircraft, we need airfields, infrastructural connections for airfields, military camps for flyers and service staff, air defense / missile defense for covering airfields and infrastructure, and infrastructure for air defense / missile defense cover. This is a pancake system, not individual planes. Now, if you give the coolest percentage of the computer, it will bring you a lot of joy? Nifiga, percents and percents ... That's with the protection of borders. This, damn it, is a system and not separately planes and rackets. And this system is built from the bottom, from the basics. Airfields, infrastructure, cover ... Because otherwise, they will burn these twinks on the runway. Well, yes, several planes will heroically die in the air, but this will not bring much trouble to the attackers.
    1. Armata
      Armata 12 May 2013 14: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Zomanus
      MiG-31 is certainly a good aircraft, but ... Here we stupidly speculate. For the most effective cover for these aircraft, we need airfields, infrastructural connections for airfields, military camps for flyers and service staff, air defense / missile defense for covering airfields and infrastructure, and infrastructure for air defense / missile defense cover.
      Well, duck save on Sochi, at the World Cup, on emigration to Russia. And you can build everything.
  16. bubla5
    bubla5 12 May 2013 15: 26 New
    +2
    And because we are led by stupid and stubborn economists trained in the West, they also delivered one boss to us, so this one did not start from production, but started repairing a multi-storey office and replacing the roof, and all the contracts went to his brother, the builder, this meeting bent only his the line
  17. CAMS
    CAMS 12 May 2013 15: 41 New
    +2
    enough revolutions from us are just getting up, and some are pulling it again. are you probably on the swamp with pleasure? I’m for example a simple hard worker, but I began to live normally only with GDP, and before it happened a year or a penny
    1. rsnv
      rsnv 12 May 2013 18: 08 New
      +1
      Judging by your profile, you are from Ivanovo. Although this is not the topic of this forum, please tell me how the former textile capital of the USSR is rising and flourishing now?
  18. NO HOPE
    NO HOPE 12 May 2013 16: 42 New
    -6
    The military is not stupid, and is well aware that the MiG-31 is not needed due to the lack of tasks. A-50U and Su-30/35 and even Su-27SM3 calmly perform the functions of an interceptor.
    1. TUMAN
      TUMAN 12 May 2013 16: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: NO HOPE
      The military is not stupid, and is well aware that the MiG-31 is not needed due to the lack of tasks. A-50U and Su-30/35 and even Su-27SM3 calmly perform the functions of an interceptor.

      How many aviation Su 30, Su 27 cm3, Su 35? Do not write crap, these planes are only enough for parades!
      1. NO HOPE
        NO HOPE 12 May 2013 16: 51 New
        0
        Quote: TUMAN
        How many

        Quote: TUMAN
        Su 27 cm3

        Yes, already 3/4 of the Su-27 fleet.
  19. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 12 May 2013 16: 42 New
    -5
    Doubts frankly about such a hole in the airspace .... My opinion is that everything is covered. And information about this for readers, and ordinary civilians IMHO will be redundant. Each country has its own technologies and its secrets inaccessible to ordinary people ... That's why they are under the heading ..) maybe former or active military, or technologists involved in this field and having information about it are simply silent and correct. To read and expand the horizons of military technology - the material laid out on the site is quite enough. I like this site smartly and every day I learn a lot of new and interesting things for myself :) Thanks to the creators of Military Review :)
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 12 May 2013 17: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: SIBIR38RUS
      Doubts frankly about such a hole in the air ....

      Are you talking about the North, I can reassure you, in the South a similar picture
      Quote: SIBIR38RUS
      That's why they are under the vulture.

      At one time, everything was under the stamp, minimum minimum chipboard! However, no one was silent about protecting the borders.
      All while rests on a nuclear triad, from which horns and legs remained.
      Aviation is being reanimated, the Navy is also the only thing left? But there they are carried away with gerontology.

      Oblomingo bird and naive bird always a couple ...
    2. Simple
      Simple 12 May 2013 22: 23 New
      +1
      "And information about this for readers, and ordinary civilians IMHO will be redundant."


      Do you want to fool yourself?

      I, probably, the penultimate one will find out about this.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 13 May 2013 14: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Simple
        I, probably, the penultimate one will find out about this.

        In 1938, the film "If War Is Tomorrow" was released


        Such information is useful ...
  20. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 12 May 2013 18: 27 New
    +3
    a few years ago I saw an interview of some old uncle, either an air defense developer or something like that, he said directly that the north after the collapse of the USSR was practically open and not even very controlled, now if the situation is better, it will not be much, if only it was covered anyway, we need this plane, I won’t believe that there is no money for it ..
  21. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 12 May 2013 18: 38 New
    +2
    According to the State Duma deputy, twice Hero of the Soviet Union Svetlana Savitskaya, the Ministry of Industry and Trade has already sent to the Sokol plant in Nizhny Novgorod an order signed by Minister Manturov until 2013 to dismantle the MiG-1993 production line that was stopped in 31
    Explain to me if anyone is up to date. And how to understand this, today's note about our boy.
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124051049054054055.html
    Something doesn’t fit here!
  22. studentmati
    studentmati 13 May 2013 01: 10 New
    +2
    We have as usual: until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself.