The Barrage-1 and Argus stratospheric platforms are taking to the skies.

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The Barrage-1 and Argus stratospheric platforms are taking to the skies.


Pseudo-satellites


Intelligence and communications are key factors for success in any military conflict. Naturally, a special operation was no exception. Among Russia's surveillance and communications assets, stratospheric platforms or pseudo-satellites occupy a special place. They occupy space, but they are not in service. Yet, they are desperately needed from the very first days of a special operation.



It's all about the opposing side's advantage: the Ukrainian Armed Forces are served by NATO's satellite constellation. This is further enhanced by Elon Musk's Starlink satellite communications system, which has proven so effective that volunteers have begun purchasing it for the Russian army. This is done through third countries and at exorbitant prices. Now, SpaceX has attempted to use a "whitelist" to restrict the use of these devices in new regions of Russia. It's too early to say how effective this is, but the West is trumpeting the perceived advantage the Ukrainian Armed Forces gained precisely because Starlink was shut down in Russia.

One thing is certain: with or without Starlink, the Russian Army's westward advance hasn't stopped. This doesn't negate the need to create its own satellite constellation to provide broadband communications across the entire front. It's worth noting that Russian engineers are working hard. At the forefront of this progress is Bureau 1440 (the name refers to the 1440 perfect orbits of the world's first satellite), which is developing the Rassvet constellation. By 2025, 16 satellites were supposed to be in orbit, providing subscribers on Earth with 5G communications. But the launches have been postponed until this year. It's difficult to pinpoint the exact reasons, but all indications point to the devices' basic technical readiness. However, what projects in modern Russia haven't been pushed to the right?

For now, we can confirm that the experimental Rassvet-1 and -2 satellites are demonstrating world-class performance—download speeds of up to 48 Mbps and uplink speeds of 12 Mbps. Throughput could eventually be expanded to 1 Gbps. But for now, this is a medium-term prospect. Satellite communications equipment at the front is needed here and now. The privately owned Yamal and Express satellites have proven a temporary and inadequate substitute; they are few in number, and their data transfer speeds leave much to be desired. Military communications specialists are adapting by building Wi-Fi bridges, fiber-optic channels, and their own networks based on classic LTE at the front.


The first launch of the Barrage-1 stratospheric platform

An alternative could be stratospheric platforms or pseudo-satellites rising to altitudes of 20 kilometers or more. They are very difficult to retrieve from the surface here, due to both their high altitude and their modest reflectivity. Everyone remembers the Chinese weather balloon that flew over all of North America and was only miraculously shot down over the Atlantic. Why aren't Russian aerostats flying over Ukraine yet, providing the military with high-quality intelligence and communications? Because they haven't existed. And now there's hope they'll soon appear.

"Barrage-1" is the name of a stratospheric 5G communications platform, or, more simply, an aerostat carrying a 100-kilogram cellular station. Tests were conducted in February of this year, and engineers appear pleased with the results.

The Barrage-1 was built by Aerodrommash in collaboration with the Bauman Moscow State Technical University with support from the Foundation for Advanced Research. The aerostat ascends to an altitude of 20 km and carries 5G communications equipment. In theory, several such devices deployed over Ukraine would provide broadband internet not only to the combat zone but also to the entire strategic depth of the enemy. This means that all Geran aerostats could be controlled remotely.

The question of controlling the stratospheric platform itself remains open—a huge helium balloon will sooner or later be carried away by high-altitude currents. To compensate for this, a pneumatic ballistics system was used. The aerostat consists of two tanks—an internal rigid one and an external elastic one. As soon as the automation detects a shift relative to the reference point, onboard compressors kick in. Outside air is pumped into the internal tank, and Barrage-1 descends, moving under the wind. Or, conversely, it releases air, rising above the wind. Such manipulations allow the object to hover in one place for a considerable time. Incidentally, the design of the aerostat's compressors is the main know-how of the development. The devices must be simultaneously highly productive (the air is thin), lightweight, and energy efficient.

Argus and the 5G problem


The stratospheric project is in the final stages of development Drone Argus, the first tests of which are planned for March 2026. As stated on the official website of the developer, Stratolink:

The ARGUS atmospheric satellite is an unmanned aircraft-type vehicle designed to remain in flight for a virtually unlimited time and using solar energy for flight.

The drone has an impressive 40-meter wingspan. Its propulsion system consists of four electric motors, its net weight is 315 kg, and its payload is 40 kg. The Argus will operate at altitudes of 15-24 km, making it virtually impossible to hit from the ground. Firstly, not every Rocket Defense capable of reaching such an altitude, and secondly, not every radar can detect and track such a stealthy drone. The Argus can carry both 5G communications equipment and reconnaissance and EWThe Argus and Barrage-1 pair will have plenty of work to do in the skies over Ukraine. The stratospheric platforms will likely work together, complementing and backing each other up. Like Barrage-1, Argus actively counters air currents and also catches updrafts for greater efficiency. Stratolink claims that this is achieved through UAV equipped with artificial intelligence.


The Argus 5G stratospheric communications platform is planned to be launched into the sky in March 2026.

History Argus and Barrage-1 look inspiring. Until we look at 5G networks in Russia. Or rather, we look at the fact that they are practically nonexistent in our country. Back in 2019, at the request of the Ministry of Defense and the FSB, the traditional 5G "golden band" of 3,4-3,8 GHz was banned for commercial use. These frequencies are occupied by the military, and it would be surprising if they were given to civilians. How much money would have to be spent on changing defense frequencies? Commercial companies were given the 4,4-4,9 GHz frequency range – and, quite predictably, no one agreed with such rules of the game. As a result, even in Kazakhstan, almost half of subscribers use 5G, while in Russia no one does. Simply because the necessary equipment does not exist. This begs the question: where to get ground-based 5G infrastructure on the line of contact? Not a single imported phone works on 4,4-4,9 GHz – they need 5G in 3,4-3,8 GHz.


The Argus concept from developer Stratolink

Hopes can be pinned on companies like Irtey from MTS, Bulat from Rostelecom, and Spektr from Rostec. They are all at various stages of completion, but hundreds of 5G base stations are planned for construction by 2026. Specifically, they will be operating in the 4,4-4,9 GHz frequency range. It's possible that the ground infrastructure for Argus and Barrage-1 is being developed based on this frequency range. Otherwise, the game simply isn't worth the candle.
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  1. 12+
    2 March 2026 04: 37
    The balloon rises to a height of 20 km and carries with it 5G communications equipment.

    It's carried by the wind... It might provide communication for a while, but it will inevitably fly away and land somewhere. Perhaps not where you'd like. The equipment is quite expensive and clearly not disposable. And regarding energy, where will it get its power? Many subscribers require a lot of electricity. It's easier for a satellite—you can deploy a solar panel a few meters away—but what about here?
    Argus will operate at altitudes of 15-24 km, which makes its impact from the ground almost zero.

    Mmm... In 1960, they managed to shoot down a U-2 from an altitude of 20 km. It wasn't easy, but that was 66 years ago, a lot has been improved in interception systems, and the Argus is not much different from the U-2.
    Not every radar is capable of detecting and tracking such a stealthy drone.

    With a 40-meter wingspan? Are the solar panels radar-invisible?
    It’s certainly better than nothing, but I don’t share the author’s optimism.
    1. 25+
      2 March 2026 05: 01
      Why bother burdening the author with all sorts of nonsense like wind, economics, or power sources for operating equipment? The main thing is the Idea! And let the implementation (or proof that it is *) be left to the unprincipled skeptics called "engineers." drinks
      1. +4
        2 March 2026 05: 24
        Quote: Amateur
        Let the unprincipled skeptics called "engineers" deal with it.

        I'm not a tactician, I'm a strategist!
      2. +4
        2 March 2026 08: 12
        The main thing is the Idea!

        no, the main thing is the pathos with which they tell us about it...
        You read and remember the times of the magazine "Modelist-Constructor"...
        1. +2
          2 March 2026 08: 20
          "The main thing is to stake out priority. We'll decide whether to build the bridge along or across the river as we go." Academician I.I. Mintz
          (G. Kisunko. "Secret Zone. Confession of a General Designer")
        2. -1
          2 March 2026 11: 07
          The main thing is the idea! For the saw. More R&D (crossed out). startups Good and varied (thankfully, they haven't come up with any GOST standards for them). The main thing is not to launch a production run. Or to launch one, but not at home. Let some plant have some fun. And be blamed. And get a bonus cut! Wow!!!
    2. +6
      2 March 2026 05: 09
      They are all at different stages of completion, but hundreds of 5G base stations are planned to be built by 2026.
      Oh oh
      1. -5
        2 March 2026 05: 49
        Oh?

        Exactly. It's fine for advertising purposes, but it's of absolutely no use, as there's no infrastructure to support it. It could only really pay off in logistics hubs, if they implement fully remotely controlled logistics, and even there, the need for 5G is questionable. Otherwise, there are an order of magnitude more towers with a smaller coverage area, meaning many more areas with connection drops, while the only advantage—internet speed—isn't needed at ALL; people don't watch heavy files (mainly multimedia) on the go. For everyone else, speed isn't a factor. Network connectivity is the same, you can't even download a road map with traffic jams and geolocation. Even assuming, for example, that public transportation is completely driverless throughout Moscow, 4G with earpieces is enough for all of this traffic. And for stationary offices and apartments, wired internet is an order of magnitude more reliable and cheaper. Given that the standard for office connections now is up to 30 Mbps for the ENTIRE office, not just one computer.
    3. +6
      2 March 2026 05: 11
      Quote: Puncher
      In 1960, they managed to shoot down a U-2 from an altitude of 20 km. It wasn't easy, but that was 66 years ago, and a lot has been improved in interception systems, and the Argus is little different from the U-2.

      So the U-2 was shot down deep in the country. Anti-aircraft missiles have a limitation: the higher the target, the closer it can be shot down, so the Argus only needs to fly a certain distance from the LBS to be able to hit it with only some of the Patriot's missiles.

      Quote: Puncher
      With a 40-meter wingspan? Are the solar panels radar-invisible?

      They're flat, so the radar signal will simply be reflected the other way. That's basically how stealth in aviation works... They don't rely entirely on signal absorption.
      1. +3
        2 March 2026 05: 21
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Anti-aircraft missiles have a limitation: the higher the target, the closer the distance at which it can be shot down, so the Argus only needs to fly at a certain distance from the LBS so that only some of the Patriot's missiles can reach it.

        Well, yes, from 20 km away you can provide communication over very long distances. But the power... The Argus has a payload of only 40 kg.
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Signal absorption is not relied upon entirely.

        Possibly. But he himself would be "seen" and would be detected by RTR systems (or are they the only ones with them?).
        1. -1
          2 March 2026 05: 28
          Quote: Puncher
          But the energy... The "Argus" has a load capacity of 40 kg. in total.

          There's no arguing with that. But it's quite a significant amount if the payload doesn't include batteries and traction batteries, which it definitely does. A few months ago, it was thought that a kilowatt was needed to operate a 20- or 50-channel repeater. That's easy during the day... But at night, the number of subscribers drops sharply.
          1. +1
            2 March 2026 05: 36
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            But at night the number of subscribers sharply decreases.

            It also needs power for its engines. It can, of course, hover with its engines off, but that comes at the expense of descending.
            1. 0
              2 March 2026 05: 39
              Quote: Puncher
              It also needs power for its engines. It can, of course, hover with its engines off, but that comes at the expense of descending.

              Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. Just leave a couple of channels as emergency ones.
              But there you have to count, plus this Argus is actually a prototype.
          2. -4
            2 March 2026 10: 24
            The Argus payload can be increased! Yes... in this case, it wouldn't be possible to ensure a month-long nonstop flight, but it's possible! The Argus can be recharged mid-flight! To do this, tethered aerostats with ground-based power sources would need to be placed at specific points on their territory. We're upgrading the Argus (giving them VTOL capabilities). There should be enough Argus-Ms to support the required aircraft rotation! The Argus-Ms periodically visit the aerostat "power stations," hover, recharge, and return... Incidentally, we're not abandoning the solar panels!
            1. 0
              3 March 2026 17: 06
              Why bother with all this complexity when you have an inverter generator the size of a suitcase, fill it with fuel, and it churns away for days. Then, you can top it up with a drone, using a funnel, while driving.
        2. -7
          2 March 2026 06: 07
          The Argus has a load capacity of 40 kg in total.

          Look at the pole with the telephone repeater. And at the Starlink microsatellite, too. It's much farther away, and its power is the SQUARE of the distance.
      2. 0
        12 March 2026 00: 00
        The plane has two edges. They RE-RADIATE the wave. So tilting it doesn't help much.
        1. 0
          12 March 2026 03: 06
          Quote: stankow
          Они ПЕРЕИЗЛУЧАЮТ волну. Так что наклон не очень помогает.

          Переизлучают, да... Только вопрос: куда?
          Угол падения равен углу отражения, соответственно сигнал РЛС пришедший снизу сбоку уйдёт от плоской горизонтальной поверхности вниз и вбок. Противоположный РЛС бок.
    4. +3
      2 March 2026 05: 26
      I agree, the device immediately reminded me of the U-2. And I don't particularly believe in the project's feasibility either...
      We were developing the Sozvezdie operational communications system, but Borisov and his subordinates stole five yards of the development budget. They only jailed one Ossetian general; Borisov was sent to rule space, but he distinguished himself there, too, after which he disappeared from radar, just like Kozak, the ruler of Ukraine... After that, there was silence about Sozvezdie...
    5. 2al
      0
      2 March 2026 11: 05
      A Chinese stratospheric "weather balloon" provided "communications" over the United States for 20 days, costing less than $20, and was shot down by a $400 missile from an F-22 costing more than $120 million.
    6. 0
      2 March 2026 13: 05
      Quote: Puncher
      It’s certainly better than nothing, but I don’t share the author’s optimism.


      The author's excessive optimism is captivating, however...
      1. There is no evidence that spacecraft can actually hover stably over a single point in real-world weather conditions. Strong winds and turbulence are a serious problem. The stratosphere is a zone of strong winds that can permanently blow a spacecraft off its perch if its control system is insufficiently powerful.
      2. Raising the platform is half the battle. What about the other half? The ground support?
      3. A 20 km platform can only provide coverage to a specific local area.
      4. During the day, it's the sun. At night, it's just batteries. Batteries are heavy. The longer the night, the more batteries you need. Jet streams blow at an altitude of 20 km. To "stand" above a point, you need energy.
      Energy = mass of batteries.
      More battery mass = less payload.
      Vicious circle.
      5. 20 km is no panacea; long-range air defense systems can reach it without any problem. Near-zero speed makes for an excellent target.
      6. The article presents the technology as a near-strategic breakthrough. In reality, it's an experimental technology with a narrow military and civilian niche.
      7. Aerodrommash is not a major aviation giant like major aircraft factories or defense holdings. It is a company with a license to manufacture aircraft, with relatively small revenues (below the industry average in 2024). There are no mass production lines specifically designed for these types of aircraft.
      8. What about the solar panels and high-density batteries? Has the production of high-efficiency solar panels with 25-30% efficiency been streamlined? What about the control system, navigation, communications, and sensors? Not for a prototype, but for production?
      9. Is the basic technological level of many components already yours or does it depend on imports?
      10. Strong jet streams may require constant correction and increased thrust. But the more powerful the motors, the greater the consumption, the larger the batteries, and the smaller the payload.
      11. Mon - 40 kg. OK, but what does it include? After all:
      - part will go to repeaters
      - part for antennas
      - part for electronics protection
      - part for backup systems. What's left for reconnaissance equipment or a powerful communications station?

      The distance from prototype to system is enormous. There are still more questions than answers. This is still a niche solution with enormous engineering and economic limitations, and it's still in the experimental phase worldwide.
      But the author tries to create the impression that the issue is almost resolved.
    7. 0
      2 March 2026 18: 08
      In 1960, they were able to take off a U-2 from an altitude of 20 km.
      So, over your own territory. Try shooting one down at a depth of a hundred kilometers over enemy territory and not get hit by a missile yourself.
      Perhaps not where you would like.
      They say you can detect the wind and fly where you need to, and in a pinch, three hundred grams of TNT
    8. DO
      0
      2 March 2026 19: 02
      Quote: Puncher
      Carried by the wind

      Yes, to counteract the wind pressure on an aerostat/airship with a large sail area, the energy from solar panels/batteries, or even the fuel from the on-board fuel tank for the internal combustion engine, may not be sufficient.
      Therefore, tethered balloons are a realistic option, especially those with onboard radars, which are functionally suitable primarily for air defense. In strong winds, the tethered balloon descends to the ground. Power is supplied to the tethered balloon from the ground via a lightweight high-voltage cable, and information is exchanged via fiber optics within the cable. The altitude of various operational tethered balloon models ranges from up to 2000 meters to 5000 meters. This is certainly not the stratosphere, but at least this solution has been tested and is effective.
      Strong winds are certainly a problem for a fixed-wing stratospheric UAV. However, a glider's drag is orders of magnitude less than that of a balloon or airship. Whether the engine thrust, battery power, and altitude maneuvers are sufficient to hover over a limited area of ​​the Earth's surface in average wind gusts can only be determined through long-term operational experience.
      1. VlK
        0
        3 March 2026 12: 29
        Why haven't we deployed a network of airships at least in the southwest direction by the 5th year of the North-Western Military District? Does this present some kind of technical problem?
    9. 0
      2 March 2026 19: 11
      Quote: Puncher
      Carried by the wind... Perhaps for some time it will provide communication, but it will inevitably fly away and land somewhere.
  2. +1
    2 March 2026 05: 03
    My opinion is that we need to build mobile, secure cell towers. It's cheap and easy, and even destroying one doesn't affect the others. We just need to keep working. am
    And drones with a cell phone signal booster can be sent into the rear of the Banderites, and they can be placed everywhere and thus the network can be raised along the entire front. hi
    1. -3
      2 March 2026 05: 43
      These are the same repeaters; they've been around for a long time. You can actually buy one on Ozon and install it at your dacha.
    2. DO
      0
      2 March 2026 19: 11
      Air Wolf, stratospheric UAVs do not exclude, but rather complement, towers and existing low-altitude repeater swarms.
  3. ayk
    +5
    2 March 2026 05: 06
    Airships with radar are needed to cover Russian territory from cruise missiles and UAVs.
    1. +4
      2 March 2026 05: 32
      Airships were also described here, and they still take off...
      My friend's brother, an engineer, graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute (MAI) and got a job at a company in Mytishchi designing some sort of aircraft. After two years of work, they still hadn't created anything, but the money was coming in regularly, because it was from outside... We're in Russia.
    2. -5
      2 March 2026 05: 43
      By the way, the topic actively developed by the USA is AWACS on airships, hung along the borders.
      1. +2
        2 March 2026 09: 37
        Quote: Foggy Dew
        By the way, the topic actively developed by the USA is AWACS on airships, hung along the borders.

        So this is for peacetime - to catch smugglers. hi
      2. +2
        2 March 2026 12: 28
        Quote: Foggy Dew
        By the way, the topic actively developed by the USA is AWACS on airships, hung along the borders.


        I'm sorry to disappoint you.
        In the US, there's still no mass production of similar devices or their equivalents. What can we talk about? In Russia?
        Airbus Zephyr (HAPS) - ?
        Sceye - ?
        Loon - ?
        No success, no commercial exploitation.
  4. -7
    2 March 2026 05: 39
    It wasn't possible before. Before the start of the Second World War, such an initiative would have been pelted with wet rags, and a whole bunch of "spiesializds" would have done just that. Here, everyone "understands" what they're using. And ask them why you haven't switched to Starlink before 2022, since it's so wonderful?
    1) A narrow-target product. It's needed by terrorists, geologists, foresters, and, at a very slight stretch, by long-distance trains in sparsely populated areas and river transport. Ocean transport, for example, would be satisfied with geostationary satellite communications, which Russia has had since the early 90s.
    2) An order of magnitude more expensive than ANY analogue.
    3) Interference includes: trees, buildings, terrain, bad weather, geomagnetic storms and solar activity.
    This is purely about communications in general. Now, about the soldiers, what's needed:
    1) Secure communication. Generally speaking, the norm is to physically cut off from public access, so that, for example, it's impossible to DDoS from consumer devices or hack them at all.
    2) Signal strength is proportional to the square of the distance. Otherwise, it will be jammed—Starlink, by default, locks onto the strongest signal on the same frequency. Distance squared—the jammer closest to you will always be stronger.
    3) Coverage area: minimum combat zone, maximum Russian troop presence. And that's Russia and Syria for now. In Africa, it's PMCs, not troops, and in the rest of the world, it's stupid. Both in terms of cost and hackability.
    _______________________
    Starlink is completely unnecessary under no circumstances. Repeaters with dedicated and unmatched frequencies, and therefore transmitters unsuitable for household use, are the exact opposite.
    You can beat the sect of Saint Starlink to the punch, but they're still "figuring things out." You can see for yourself what kind of a mess this is. And with the facts in hand, not a single homosapien will say anything. Even now. Just imagine what kind of mess it would have been in the 10s, for example.
    1. +4
      2 March 2026 05: 53
      You're not quite adequate to the situation. Starlink's reception and signal are directional. Therefore, jamming the reception is ineffective in principle, and jamming the signal from subscriber terminals requires being close to them and precisely tuning to the satellites.
      1. -5
        2 March 2026 05: 58
        I'm perfectly reasonable, and I've been professionally involved with networks for over 25 years, specifically LANs, not "security and fire" networks. Directionality isn't Starlink's thing; its technology is designed to catch the strongest signal and then target it. This is where its technological vulnerability lies.
        If you're interested, even a directional dish with beam focusing has a signal reception and dispersion zone that extends not only forward from the dish, but also backward and to the sides, though they're smaller. Incidentally, that's how electronic warfare detects them.
        1. KCA
          +4
          2 March 2026 07: 13
          Moreover, any radio transmitter has harmonics at adjacent frequencies, mainly 2x, 4x, -2x, -4x, etc. I don’t know whether it is effective to interfere with them, but the detection process is simplified
        2. +1
          2 March 2026 07: 24
          And again, you're wrong. The satellite has a bunch of antennas and switches between them, but the signal still remains focused on each coverage microzone. This way, Musk avoided the need for precise satellite orientation. With multiple antennas, at least one will reach the right subscriber.
      2. KCA
        -1
        2 March 2026 07: 19
        An option is to destroy the ground gateways, but this requires saboteurs, since there are no gateways in the air itself.
      3. +1
        2 March 2026 18: 10
        You can also jam a satellite that's known where it is, so it won't see the terminal behind the noise.
  5. -1
    2 March 2026 05: 51
    The number of commercial launches has dropped to zero, factories are idle... We could launch 200 times a year, expand the orbital constellation with thousands of satellites, but... Nabiullina is putting money into reserves. And without money, there are no satellites.
    1. +5
      2 March 2026 07: 20
      Quote: also a doctor
      We could make 200 launches a year.

      Come to your senses, where did you find such a capacity here? 200 Soyuz rockets a year? In our heyday, we never launched more than 20.
      1. +1
        2 March 2026 07: 21
        Actually, there was a time when they only launched 80 commercial launches. And just ask, how many Soyuz rockets are in storage?
        1. +3
          2 March 2026 07: 45
          Quote: also a doctor
          Actually, there was a time when they did 80 commercial launches alone.

          What year were there 80 commercial launches? If you're talking about the Soviet era, commercial launches weren't a thing back then. In the record-breaking year of 1982, 45 Soyuz rockets were launched; the rest of the other rocket models are no longer in production.
          Quote: also a doctor
          How many Unions are in storage?

          I have no idea. There is no such information online.
        2. 0
          2 March 2026 13: 36
          Quote: also a doctor
          Ask how many Soyuz units are in storage?


          Who? Are you even aware that this is classified information? And from what's not classified, I'll report: according to statements from Roscosmos leadership, Russia is aiming to produce and launch around 20-30 rockets per year in the coming years. all, including Soyuz-2.
      2. 0
        2 March 2026 18: 15
        So, only Soyuz spacecraft can be launched? By the end of the 1960s, the USSR was easily capable of 80 launches per year.
    2. +1
      2 March 2026 11: 23
      But... Nabiullina sends money to reserves. And without money, there are no satellites.

      I remembered: "Chubais is to blame for everything." We have a tradition of appointing a "whipping boy." In this case: a whipping girl.
      In reality, we lack high-quality microchips and other components for satellite systems, and what we have is inferior in both size and durability. And the West won't sell us the machines to produce the necessary microchips or the microchips themselves, no matter how much money Nabiullina gives us.
      1. +2
        2 March 2026 11: 42
        We have rockets and some good ones, but our satellites...
        1. +2
          2 March 2026 13: 48
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          We have rockets and some good ones, but our satellites...


          Why do you use the word "rockets" in the plural? We only have rockets flying. once The launch vehicle is the S-2. The A5 is still at LKI, the S-5 hasn't even started flying, the rest of the Proton is contracted out, and the S-5 itself is no longer in production. What missiles did you mean?
      2. +1
        2 March 2026 14: 46
        But you must admit that it would be easier to live with money. :)
    3. +2
      2 March 2026 13: 39
      Quote: also a doctor
      We could launch 200 times a year and expand our orbital constellation with thousands of satellites, but... Nabiullina is putting money into reserves. Without money, there are no satellites.


      No, they couldn't. I can explain why. And Nabiullina has nothing to do with it. First, understand what the RK is and how the budgets of previous FKPs were formed.
  6. +2
    2 March 2026 06: 16
    There will be a lot of arguments about this, that and... but I'm just interested in what our team will come up with!?!?!? soldier
    And so... shooting down a high-altitude balloon is not an easy task, even for serious guys, and who in Europe can handle this role, the question is?
    A retro-aircraft missile system based on a high-altitude "airplane"... it doesn't necessarily have to fly deep into enemy territory, but delivering a serious air defense system close to the front lines, just for that... it's a scary business.
    In general, we will see ... soldier
  7. +6
    2 March 2026 06: 22
    And here's the Argus's predecessor, the La252. There was so much buzz about it in late 2010. It took off, earned billions, and... flew off to the land of Pink Ponies. But won't the Argus be heading in that direction?
  8. -3
    2 March 2026 07: 06
    One flaw that negates everything: there are only a few of them. Disrupt communications with a single shot. A dead end.
    1. 0
      2 March 2026 10: 51
      Quote: anclevalico
      Disrupt the connection with one shot. Dead end.

      Go ahead and take that shot. Ready to risk your Patriot complex?
  9. KCA
    +1
    2 March 2026 07: 09
    The hedgehog is a very lazy bird; it won't fly unless you kick it... Where were all those various developers before SVO? They only started moving when the Ministry of Defense started smelling money.
    1. +6
      2 March 2026 08: 58
      They only started moving when The Ministry of Defense smelled of money

      Put the question differently: to whom has the Ministry of Defense distributed money up to this day? - and where are the results of the "distributed" money?
      1. KCA
        0
        2 March 2026 10: 06
        Results? Geranium 1, 2, 3, and 5, Cube, Lancet, Ghoul, Lightning 1 and 2, Parcel Post, Prince Vandal, Sirius, Altius, Helios, Cube, Orlan, Ghoul—I'll get tired of listing them, there's a ton of them. The People's Front buys some, the Ministry of Defense buys some, and the manufacturers themselves send some for testing and advertising to the SVO.
        1. 0
          2 March 2026 18: 19
          Sirius, Altius, Helios

          Hm, could you tell me more about where they are from this point on?
          Geranium - the Persians brought a ready-made plant, the rest of the ghouls and even the lancets are a screwdriver assembly plus our software request
          1. KCA
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            2 March 2026 18: 29
            Sirius, Altius specifically, are made in my city. Kronstadt built a factory, or rather an assembly shop, the factory already existed, they bought it, Kuzhugetych himself came to the opening with a bunch of generals, now you can't hear it, but they were constantly buzzing, I can't find it, there's a video, guys are driving along the road, and a Sirius flies parallel to them, almost shaving them off, they were flying to a light aviation airfield, a private one, winter, who will fly and, accordingly, who will clean it, it seems in disassembly they are taken to a more convenient place, the factory is working, no one is fired, I would have known
            1. 0
              2 March 2026 18: 42
              Sirius
              Yes, they launched one at the very beginning of the SVO and that was it. Now they're making a few Orions and fending off a bunch of lawsuits. But Orions are essentially a good flying thermal imager plus a couple of small rockets. And the Helios, which should have been able to fly with a decent radar, isn't even listed as promising on the website anymore.
              Altius
              Kronstadt never did it, its history is extremely revealing, read it
              https://www.kp.ru/daily/26964/4019281/
              Since 2019, it's been manufactured by UZGA, you know, the same company that's been replacing the An-2 since that same year. With roughly the same results. request
              1. KCA
                0
                2 March 2026 18: 53
                Yes, not the Altius, Sirius, the Orion single-engine, the Sirius two. I wrote it down from memory, I just looked it up online, but I don't really believe the one count. Where are the others? They showed me the workshop, there were 6 or 8 tables where they glued the carbon fiber frames. Even if that's all, where are the others? One is enough for testing, and who was that buzzing in my ear anyway? I could see them from my window, right on the flight path from the factory to the airfield.
                1. +1
                  2 March 2026 19: 15
                  where are the rest?

                  https://newizv.ru/news/2023-11-26/v-rossii-naladili-vypusk-bespilotnogo-udarnogo-vertoleta-termit-424152
                  I'm wondering where the unmanned helicopters are, which could, for example, chase down enemy slow-moving drones or at least bring supplies to soldiers at night? Turn on the video – there's Sobyanin and Medvedev, and they're about to assemble six drones and send them to the front. It's autumn 2023, two and a half years have passed since then. So what, and where? Here we have everyone giving advice of varying degrees of usefulness from their couches, but what are those empowered to manage financial flows doing? It seems they're squandering money and shutting down projects, during an existential war. fool
                  1. KCA
                    0
                    2 March 2026 19: 23
                    A helicopter drone is a somewhat more complex thing than an airplane or a hexacopter, and it's not just a matter of technology; operators are also needed; helicopter pilots require much more training than fighter pilots.
                    1. 0
                      2 March 2026 19: 25
                      Apparently they forgot to prepare them and the drones have been stored somewhere for the third year.
                      1. KCA
                        0
                        2 March 2026 19: 31
                        Yes, they use them, but in civilian life, apparently, there are questions, even the famous Russian Post uses them, Gazprom, the oil companies, apparently, it’s not a great idea to fight them, even on TV they showed a dragonfly flying along a pipe
              2. DO
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                2 March 2026 23: 49
                alexoff, yes, two of the lighter UAVs, Altius and Sirius, took off at least once. Unfortunately, Helios never flew.
                Observing current events in and around Iran (and our own infrastructure losses), one can conclude that the timely detection of attacking cruise missiles and drones is essential for their destruction (if not by ground forces, then by fighter jets, as the Ukrainian Armed Forces are doing against our geraniums and cruise missiles). Russia's vast expanses cannot be completely covered by radar coverage, which is why Western intelligence is taking advantage of this by directing drones and Ukrainian cruise missiles into gaps in this coverage.
                Therefore, flying radars (AEW&C aircraft) are currently extremely important for protecting Russia's rear. The Russian Armed Forces have only a few manned AEW&C aircraft, while the need is two orders of magnitude greater, and production of new ones is not expected in the near future (the export price of the A-50 is half a billion dollars). Other countries will not sell them. Therefore, an attempt could be made to begin serial production of at least AEW&C UAVs before the highly predictable Western cruise missile strike on Russia in the midst of the "peace" negotiations, which is quite possible within a year. For example, by integrating the serially produced Belka AEW&C radar, used on the Su-57, into the Altius or Sirius (Helios?). The main circular antennas could be mounted under the wings, outside the engines. For 360-degree coverage, the feasibility of attaching additional Belka antennas to the airframe could be considered.
                1. +1
                  3 March 2026 00: 11
                  Russia's vast expanses cannot be completely covered by a radar field, which is what Western intelligence takes advantage of, sending drones and Ukrainian cruise missiles into gaps in this field.
                  We need to cover the perimeter, not the area. And look for gaps to plug them. At least with sound reconnaissance stations, since we lack the technology, a conscript sits in a tower and sends his coordinates in a telegram, like, "Something buzzed three times and whistled once, scramble the fighters!" We have those same fighters, but have you ever heard of them shooting down a single drone? Me, no. I suspect because what if the air defense shoots it down? Because? Establish cooperation between the air defense and the Air Force, which were long ago merged into the Aerospace Forces? No way! The planes simply won't hunt the drones; let the fighters sit in the hangars and the Su-34s provide cover. That's how we solve problems here. request
                  And if everything is as I described, even if you have complete coverage of the entire country with a thousand flying radars, only the nearest air defenses will launch missiles. If there aren't any, then they'll probably alert the guys with the Zushkas, saying, "Stay on guard, it could be heading for your facility!" And the fighters, who are also said to have powerful radars, with a range of 400 km, will be off doing something else.
                  Therefore, we can try to get there before the highly predictable Western strike of the KR on Russia.
                  Yes, so much could be done, including mounting a radar from a shell on communication towers that would hide itself in the bushes. Radars and OLS could be hoisted onto tethered balloons. A network of sonar sensors could be built every kilometer so that headquarters could have a map of what's flying where. But we don't have fighters in power right now whose goal is to win. We have bureaucrats in power, for whom the most important thing is that everything is properly executed, and new developments only after hundreds of approvals, otherwise, what if it doesn't work, they shoot it down, fire you, and then everyone gets cut off from the gravy train?! crying
                  1. DO
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                    5 March 2026 22: 54
                    Quote from alexoff
                    We need to cover the perimeter, not the area. And look for gaps to plug them. At least with sound reconnaissance stations, since we lack the technology, a conscript sits in a tower and sends his coordinates in a telegram, saying something buzzed three times and whistled once, scramble fighters!

                    Regarding the "area-perimeter" for detection systems. Let's assume the first line of detection is the Russian state border. A drone crosses it, and information about the violation is transmitted to the center. The first question is: which center? The Unified Command Center for All-Russian Air Defense (naturally, with 1:N redundancy)? Or the local air defense center for the village of Gadyukino? If the local center, how would each village have its own airfield with fighter jets?
                    Question two: a border is a line. Crossing that line doesn't provide information about the intruder's next move. They can and will dodge like a hare to make it difficult for fighter aircraft to detect them. Therefore, a network of detection devices must be established in the area between the state border and the enemy's intended targets. Using this network, the control center and the departing fighter will know the intruder's trajectory parameters in real time. The size of this network's cells, naturally, depends on the range of the detection devices used within them. The smallest cell size would be for conscripts acting as listeners/observers. Where would they get so many of them? Incidentally, Telegram is absolutely unsuitable as a means of military communications, as the Telegram server administrator in London will instantly transmit any interesting messages from secret chats to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. So thank God Telegram is being shut down, because there will always be some slackers who will follow your advice.
                    The maximum cell size would be suitable for a heavy UAV with an onboard radar loitering within them at its ceiling. The average cell size is suitable for a less powerful and expensive ground-based radar.
                    Tethered aerostats with 360-degree radar are adequate as a means of long-range detection of target air defenses protecting potential enemy attack targets. Targeted weapons include air defense systems, FPV anti-aircraft systems, vehicle-mounted machine guns, and hand-held firearms.
                    A fighter needs radar for early detection of an intruder and for guiding its explosives, especially if the intruder is a cruise missile. The optimal choice of fighter is the MiG-29/35, as it can catch up with a cruise missile. Unlike heavy Su-29s, the MiG-29/35 operates from unpaved runways. Although there was a recent article here on VO about using the Su-25 as a drone fighter—a very sound idea, as Ukrainian drones attack Russian infrastructure in numbers of hundreds or more per night. However, the Su-25 requires a pod-mounted radar (Kop'e or similar) for this purpose.
                    1. 0
                      5 March 2026 23: 30
                      Quote: DO
                      Question one: which center? The Unified Command Center of the All-Russian Air Defense

                      Something like "nettle"? What kind of stupid question is that? Is there any leadership there, headquarters, and so on, or do generals just get stars and that's all their authority?

                      Quote: DO
                      If it’s a local center, then where will each of the towns get its own airfield with fighters?

                      What kind of fighters are they supposed to have there? Apparently, since every village has some kind of geraniums with a machine gun strapped to them?
                      Quote: DO
                      It can and will dodge like a hare to make it difficult for a fighter to detect it.

                      This means he's more likely to collide with a fighter that will have more time due to these wobbles near the border.
                      Quote: DO
                      The minimum cell size will be for conscripts serving as listeners/observers. Where will they get that many?

                      Well, the army under the leadership of all sorts of Tsalikovs - yes, everything is complicated - everything went to real estate in Khamovniki, and the conscripts won't even have anything to wear
                      Quote: DO
                      Incidentally, Telegram is absolutely unsuitable as a means of military communication, as the Telegram server administrator in London would immediately transmit any interesting messages from secret chats to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

                      It's a shame the examples are a bit weak. Our nobles on WhatsApp will tell you interesting facts anyway.
                      Quote: DO
                      So thank God that Telegram is being shut down, because there will always be some slackers who will follow your advice.

                      And the right guys will use...nothing! There's nothing similar, and Max's servers are also known where they are, and they belong to VK, headquartered in the Netherlands.
                      Quote: DO
                      Unlike heavy Sukhois, the MiG-29/35 operates from unpaved runways.

                      We have enough airfields, and fighter jets simply need to be on duty in the air; they have work to do every day. But, as I said above, we apparently still haven't developed a proper friend-or-foe system. In Israel, fighter jets can fly past a functioning iron dome in swarms and nothing will hit them. Here, almost every second aircraft loss is due to our air defenses.
                      1. DO
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                        6 March 2026 00: 12
                        It's a pity the examples are a bit weak

                        Read the comments to
                        https://topwar.ru/277789-zamedlenie-raboty-telegram-v-rossii-prichiny-i-posledstvija.html?utm_referrer=topwar.ru
                        , including mine, about the availability of the contents of secret Telegram chats to the server admin, due to a fundamental vulnerability of the Diffie-Hellman key exchange protocol through the server ("third in the middle, MITM").
                        As for how patrol officers can report detected drones to the center once Telegram is shut down, it could be done via SMS, email, or phone calls to the call center. And of course, a question for the government: if you're shutting down Telegram for the military, it would be logical to give them a Russian military messenger.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        fighters just have to be on duty in the air

                        Wherever fighters are located - ready to take off from the runway or in the air, they still need primary target designation.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        Almost every second loss of aircraft is the work of our air defense

                        This is certainly a problem that requires a technical solution.
                        But if drones are shot down not by a ground-based air defense system based on a radar blip, but by a pilot who, in most cases, can see the target, they must be briefed on what enemy and civilian targets look like, and where civilians can be encountered. And in adverse weather conditions, when the target is not visible, civilian aircraft should not fly.
                      2. 0
                        6 March 2026 01: 40
                        Quote: DO
                        Regarding the accessibility of the contents of secret Telegram chats to the server administrator

                        It's clear that an admin could hack it if they wanted to. But what's there to hack if Vasya-1267 texts C2 in the chat while a drone is flying? Someone with a good network will figure out that the drone flew over a certain point for 10 hours and will transmit it to the appropriate authorities.
                        Quote: DO
                        And of course, a question for the government - if you close Telegram to the military

                        The paradox is that they don't close it—it will work on personal accounts, but not in the rear. In the rear, bad people will use ICQ, Viber, Skype, Google Mail, or throw bottles with notes into some tributary of the Dnieper.
                        Quote: DO
                        Wherever the fighters are located - ready to take off on the runway or in the air, they still need primary target designation.

                        We have a ready-made network, called a mobile phone station, with ready-made internet and electricity. Just install the missing ones, install sound sensors on them—in short, do what our enemies have already done.
                        Quote: DO
                        The pilot, who in most cases sees the target, must be briefed on what enemy targets look like, what civilian targets look like, and where civilians can be encountered.

                        I think this is a completely solvable problem, and the times are such that no Rusty flies in flocks at low altitude at night, and if someone decided to fly near the border in a pepelats - well, rest in peace
                      3. DO
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                        6 March 2026 02: 46
                        Quote from alexoff
                        What kind of fighters are they supposed to have there? Apparently, since every village has some kind of geraniums with a machine gun strapped to them?

                        Even a propeller-driven drone can't catch a geranium. To say nothing of a cruise missile, of which there are more and more. Incidentally, the question about cruise missiles is not idle. After all, if a long-range drone flies through a high-rise window and ruins the apartment's European-style renovation (though if anyone was behind that glass, they won't care), the glass in the neighboring windows might survive. A cruise missile, on the other hand, could destroy the entire entrance hall of a high-rise building from top to bottom.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        But what's there to hack if Vasya-1267 texts C2 in the chat when a drone flies by? Someone with a good network will figure out that the drone flew over a certain point for 10 hours and transmit it to the appropriate authorities.

                        It's precisely this kind of clearly non-routine message that can be automatically distinguished from thousands of others by a special program on the Telegram server. The Telegram service, like any messenger, has access to the smartphone's coordinates. Even if the user has disabled the smartphone's geolocation, but the phone has a native Android device and not a specially modified one, it is technically possible to determine its coordinates via the network (at least for Google services, this has been proven). Consequently, Ukrainian Armed Forces specialists will know where the eavesdropper is located, and the next drone will fly a different route.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        It will work on the PC, but not in the rear. In the rear, bad people will use ICQ, Viber, Skype, and Google Mail.

                        Viber and Skype have not worked in Russia for a long time.
                        The issue of organizing technical means for legal correspondence between soldiers in the SVO zone and their families needs to be addressed with the SVO command. For exceptional cases, VK messenger and email are available.

                        Quote from alexoff
                        We have a ready-made network, called a mobile phone station, with ready-made internet and electricity. Just install the missing ones, install sound sensors on them—in short, do what our enemies have already done.

                        There were messages on open resources that this is what we are doing.
                        However, alas, the verb "is made" in an imperfective form.
                      4. DO
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                        6 March 2026 00: 29
                        Quote from alexoff
                        something like "nettle"?

                        We have a partial equivalent of "Nettle," including a civilian version. Its terminal software can be installed on both Android and Linux. Incidentally, if you use this system, Telegram isn't required. In any case, our military messenger is preferable.
      2. +1
        3 March 2026 07: 34
        I don't understand how you can hand out money. I work for a design company—there are no advances from government clients. Payment is due after the project is completed. If you don't deliver, you're added to the register of unscrupulous suppliers. You bear all the costs yourself.
        1. 0
          3 March 2026 07: 57
          Payment after the project is completed.

          Well, if we're talking about government procurement, then it won't be "today or tomorrow" that the RF Government will issue a decree on advance payments for concluded contracts...
  10. -1
    2 March 2026 07: 11
    The experimental satellites "Rassvet-1, -2" demonstrate a completely world-class level - download speed from the satellite up to 48 Mbit/sec, feedback - 12 Mbit/sec.
    That's certainly good. But the key indicator of world-class capabilities is survivability in orbit. 10-15 years, not 1,5-2 years like ours. Of course, for a war right now, everything is great. That's if we plan to win within a year.
    But you can't buy radio components from the top of a parabola "on the world market." You can only make them yourself. We'll see...
    1. 0
      2 March 2026 08: 16
      of course, for the war itself right now - inThat's great. If we plan to win within a year.

      these tales...
      1. -2
        2 March 2026 08: 40
        It's possible. It depends on the will of the management.
        1. 0
          2 March 2026 08: 56
          It's possible. It depends on the will of the management.

          Yesterday I came across a speech at the Novosibirsk Regional Duma, where a deputy said, "My unit has suffered more losses in 2025 than in the last two years... Boys are coming in under contract after one year of service..."
          1. -2
            2 March 2026 09: 02
            Yesterday I came across a video with girls. So what? There are losses in war! No way!! That's not how you win a war! Eternal memory to the Russian soldiers. And yes, there were, are, and will be losses. I can't tell if you're hoping for a bloodless victory like in a computer game, or if you want to surrender...
            1. -1
              2 March 2026 09: 05
              I can't tell if you're hoping for a bloodless victory like in a computer game, or if you want to give up...

              I have already written, and more than once, that I regularly drive past a banner: "Here lie 30,000 missing persons..." although more than 100,000 are missing...
              but, then there were almost 250 million of us...
              1. -2
                2 March 2026 09: 08
                You're all just throwing shade, trying to get publicity for the dead. They didn't spare their lives, and you're afraid to even reveal your own position. What, we need to win without losses? It's impossible, yet you keep going on about it... what do you mean... smelling bad. We're collecting likes, right? Or is Grandpa suggesting we surrender? Shameful.
                1. -3
                  2 March 2026 09: 13
                  You are all throwing shade on the fence, trying to gain publicity from the dead.

                  how old are you?
                  How many died in your arms?
                  1. -2
                    2 March 2026 09: 15
                    Should we continue using Afedron? Nasty stuff...
              2. +1
                2 March 2026 14: 49
                30000 thousand in one grave!? Dununa!?
                1. 0
                  2 March 2026 14: 53
                  30000 thousand in one grave!? Dununa!?

                  A banner at the entrance to the village of Mostki from St. Petersburg...
                  The 2nd Shock Army perished there in 1941-42.
                  1. 0
                    4 March 2026 05: 44
                    I get what you're talking about. I was in "Myasnik," by the way. But the losses there weren't just near one village, or even in the "corridor" through which the 2nd Division was breaking out of encirclement. There were losses across the entire encirclement... However, that, of course, doesn't change much.
                    1. 0
                      4 March 2026 07: 19
                      However, this, of course, does not change much.

                      There they hung up banners wherever and however they wanted...
                      1. 0
                        4 March 2026 21: 06
                        I could tell you a lot of "search" stories, but I'd rather keep quiet.
    2. KCA
      0
      2 March 2026 18: 39
      Don't confuse communications satellites, which are launched into geostationary orbit at 38,000 km, with maritime reconnaissance satellites, the Legend and Liana series, which, due to their missions of finding the AUG, flew in LEO. They didn't even have solar panels, because they were in the upper layers of the atmosphere. They wouldn't have flown for even half a year with panels. The power source was RTGs, and not only that.
  11. 0
    2 March 2026 09: 51
    This is what the wind map over the theater of operations looks like now:
    https://www.meteoblue.com/ru/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B#coords=4.19/50.59/35.47&map=wind~hourly~auto~250%20mb~none
    At almost all altitudes, the direction is west to east, with increasing speed as altitude increases. Where are you supposed to launch these devices from, Krakow? Altitude deviation won't work, because wind direction doesn't change with altitude.
    1. DO
      +1
      2 March 2026 22: 11
      cpls22, via the link you provided
      https://www.meteoblue.com/ru/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B#coords=5.21/49.912/37.52&map=wind~hourly~auto~250%20mb~windAnimationOverlay
      The wind map shown here is at a pressure of 250 mb, which corresponds to an altitude of approximately 10,000 m, where the cores of the jet streams in the upper troposphere are located in mid-latitudes. Your link doesn't provide information for altitudes around 20,000 m (the stratosphere). Other online resources indicate that the stratosphere has its own jet streams, with cores at an altitude of approximately 50,000 m. Therefore, 20,000 m is the altitude between the cores of the tropospheric and stratospheric jet streams, where extreme wind speeds should not occur.
      1. 0
        2 March 2026 22: 16
        Quote: DO
        According to other online resources, the stratosphere has its own jet streams, with cores at an altitude of approximately 50,000 meters. That is, 20,000 meters is the altitude between the cores of the tropospheric and stratospheric jet streams, where extreme wind speeds should not occur.

        Shouldn't it be, or shouldn't it? Could you share a link to online resources that provide wind maps by altitude? This isn't up for debate, I'm genuinely interested.
        1. DO
          +1
          2 March 2026 22: 40
          cpls22,
          Quote: https://honzales.livejournal.com/109229.html
          The axes of tropospheric jet streams are located near the tropopause and in the Northern Hemisphere are at an altitude of 6-8 km above the Arctic, 8-12 km in temperate latitudes, and 12-16 km in the subtropics.

          The actual wind speed and direction at a pressure of 250 mb (which, according to Yandex AI, corresponds to an altitude of approximately 10,000 m) in the SVO zone in Ukraine can be seen at your link.

          Quote: https://honzales.livejournal.com/109229.html
          Stratospheric jet streams are located above the tropopause. (...)
          The axis of this stratospheric jet stream is located at an altitude of 50-60 km at a latitude of about 50 degrees, with wind speeds varying from 180 to 360 km/h.

          You can also watch
          https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_tech/3542/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5
          https://big-archive.ru/geography/earth_atmosphere/36.php?ysclid=mm9h4f6m8l997821769
          https://studfile.net/preview/9437557/page:24/
          In general, there is a lot of material on this topic on the Internet.
          1. 0
            2 March 2026 23: 06
            Quote: DO

            In general, there is a lot of material on this topic on the Internet.

            Thank you. Although I'm interested in actual maps of such currents.
            Also, the velocity profile at altitudes approaching 20000 meters is unclear. Logically, the velocities there should be higher than in the lower layers and lower than in the stratosphere.
            1. DO
              +1
              2 March 2026 23: 16
              Quote from cpls22
              Logically, the speeds there should be higher than in the lower layers and lower than in the stratosphere.

              The core or axis of a high-altitude jet stream is a line or plane of some width along which air velocity exceeds that of the layers above and below. According to online data (links above), the tropospheric and stratospheric jet streams have different cores, with altitudes varying by approximately 40,000 m. Therefore, it is logical to assume that winds at altitudes of approximately 20,000 m have significantly lower speeds than those at altitudes of 10,000 m and 50,000 m.
              1. +1
                2 March 2026 23: 31
                Quote: DO
                According to online data (links above), tropospheric and stratospheric jet streams have DIFFERENT cores, with altitudes differing by approximately 40,000 m. Therefore, it is logical to assert that winds at altitudes of approximately 20,000 m have significantly lower speeds than those at altitudes of 10,000 m and 50,000 m.

                I see. Thanks.
  12. +3
    2 March 2026 10: 40
    Hurray, hurray, in the fourth year of the war we discovered that we needed communications and intelligence. am
  13. 0
    2 March 2026 11: 24
    Quote: Puncher
    The balloon rises to a height of 20 km and carries with it 5G communications equipment.

    It's carried by the wind... It might provide communication for a while, but it will inevitably fly away and land somewhere. Perhaps not where you'd like. The equipment is quite expensive and clearly not disposable. And regarding energy, where will it get its power? Many subscribers require a lot of electricity. It's easier for a satellite—you can deploy a solar panel a few meters away—but what about here?
    Argus will operate at altitudes of 15-24 km, which makes its impact from the ground almost zero.

    Mmm... In 1960, they managed to shoot down a U-2 from an altitude of 20 km. It wasn't easy, but that was 66 years ago, a lot has been improved in interception systems, and the Argus is not much different from the U-2.
    Not every radar is capable of detecting and tracking such a stealthy drone.

    With a 40-meter wingspan? Are the solar panels radar-invisible?
    It’s certainly better than nothing, but I don’t share the author’s optimism.

    And did it ever occur to you that the balloon rises on cables that prevent it from being carried away and pulls the power cable along with it?
    1. 0
      2 March 2026 14: 50
      And how much does all this weigh?
  14. +1
    2 March 2026 12: 01
    I'm not sure about the Argus, but an aerostat is a perfectly reasonable idea. Back in the 1950s and 1960s, the Americans were terrorizing the Soviet air defenses with them. Shooting down an aerostat is no trivial task. Look at how much the Americans struggled with the Chinese and then touted it as a major achievement. Wasting a Patriot missile on a cheap balloon, and you still have to hit it. And F-16s and Mirages don't fly at altitudes of 20 kilometers. Renting an F-22 from the US is absolutely fantastic. The main problem is loitering in a given area. But from an altitude of 20 kilometers, you can cover almost the entire LBS to a depth of 100 kilometers. So the aerostat could be on our territory.
  15. +1
    2 March 2026 12: 56
    Analogous to a satellite constellation. Dozens of stationary airships.
    Since the Russian Federation's doctrine is defense, i.e., the carrier is NOT located on enemy territory, the most effective and cheapest AWACS carrier and relay is a stratospheric airship.
    Installing AWACS on a stationary stratospheric unmanned airship is several times cheaper than an airplane and a satellite. At an altitude of 25-40 km, the continuous operation time is 12 months (it descends and is serviced). A disc-shaped airship with a diameter of 250 meters will have a lifting force of 40 tons. The airship is launched to a given point and maintains the specified coordinates with electric motors. Power comes from solar panels and batteries. At such an altitude, solar cells produce more than 75 W per square meter. With an area of ​​solar cells of 35000 sq. m, well illuminated by the sun, we have 2625 kW / h. At an altitude of 20 (35) km, the optical visible horizon is 535 (709) km, direct radio visibility is 1000 km. Such an airship - AWACS plus optical and thermal detection, allows detecting and tracking any flying object, even a very small drone, an inflated balloon, a bird, and also ground objects. AWACS on an airship will allow closing the holes that the Russian Air Defense has today. The weather does not affect it, there is practically no wind there, such an airship can hang for decades. It is unlikely to be shot down at such an altitude. The airship can have air-to-air missiles on board.
    The AWACS stratospheric airship, as a national air defense asset, is unrivaled. It is located within the country, can navigate, is unaffected by weather, and can hover for years, making it unlikely to be shot down at such an altitude.
    The issues of AWACS, drone control, and a repeater will be resolved.
    It is impossible to compare what is better: a ground-based radar, an airship, a balloon, an airplane or a satellite; each of them has its own advantages, disadvantages and purposes. In terms of price, in relation to the stated purposes, manufacturing + commissioning + operation, the stratospheric airship AWACS turns out to be the cheapest among aircraft.
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      2 March 2026 14: 53
      Quote: Vlad Gor
      Since the Russian Federation doctrine is defense

      Oops!? So Russia has gone on the defensive on the Ridnaya Nenko!?
      1. 0
        2 March 2026 15: 39
        The borders of Greater Russia were delineated in 1975 by the Helsinki Accords, meaning the entire post-Soviet space is Russian territory. All of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia. Since 1991, Ukraine has been occupied by separatists, along with NATO countries.
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          4 March 2026 21: 09
          Quote: "On January 28, 2003, during the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to Kyiv, the Treaty on the state border between the two countries was signed, which fixed its land part[1].

          Ukraine ratified the agreement on April 20, 2004, and the Russian Federation on April 22.[4][5]
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%BE_%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B5
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            5 March 2026 00: 49
            The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine.
  16. 0
    2 March 2026 17: 25
    There was a strong wind in the stratosphere and the balloon was simply carried away by the wind.
    The drone resembled a U-2. 40 km is not a very large payload.
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      2 March 2026 21: 34
      At altitudes up to 20 km, there are permanent jet streams caused by the Earth's rotation. At altitudes up to 15 km, where civil aviation operates, they are well studied because they are constant. At altitudes of 25 km and above, there is no weather; everything is constant there. Air currents at altitudes of 25 km+ are poorly studied. Wind pressure at 30 km, as such, does not exist. My comment above is about the AWACS on a stratospheric airship. It's better not to say anything about the Russian Federation. A-100 AWACS R&D began in 2000, the money was spent, and nothing happened.
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    2 March 2026 20: 17
    I don't understand why we need to tell the general public (essentially ourselves!) what we're doing, what our principles are, and, most importantly, where our research is taking place! Are all our Central Research Institutes already covered by a triple ring of air defense? Let's just send the coordinates to the West right away!
  18. 0
    3 March 2026 12: 37
    I've long written about the need to raise communications stations on stratospheric balloons. Shooting down a target above 30,000 meters will cost more than the target itself.
  19. 0
    3 March 2026 12: 58
    Why not! Launch a dozen or so dummies, dummy ones, cardboard ones, and one working one! And let them shoot them down until they turn blue! And over all of gay Europe! What a laugh! The effect will surpass all the diapers in the world...
  20. 0
    3 March 2026 14: 29
    Quote: Chack Wessel
    And how much does all this weigh?

    Not tens of tons, I assure you.
  21. 0
    3 March 2026 14: 45
    Intelligence and communications... And here we'll immediately stumble: if we haven't found the electronic components for the satellites, where will we get them for these UAVs?
    1. 0
      9 March 2026 21: 10
      And if, say, a stratospheric drone has refueling, then it will hang in the air for months.
  22. +1
    11 March 2026 23: 41
    I don’t understand at all: why write about this in the media???
    Why the hell aren't these developments, so crucial for military communications, classified? Why are ordinary journalists writing about them in the media? They're drooling over a future "victory" that's far from obvious, since the devices haven't even been properly tested yet!

    How can one write about these secrets BEFORE THEIR ACTUAL USE IN WAR???
    Moreover, it is not a fact that they will be adopted into service.
    But you ALREADY need to brag! We must shout to the whole world:
    "THERE ARE NO ANALOGUES!"
    They are simply bursting with pride... of the planned success.
    They are as happy as if they were already dividing the skin of an unkilled bear.
  23. 0
    12 March 2026 00: 18
    None of this will happen; it's like a dream, a dream, or something. All UAV operations ground to a halt, no real way to monitor or adjust them, all those wonderful meetings on Telegram and Discord ceased, and the miracle brick called "Azart" took on a new look. Someone, in their excitement, would write out a plan for tomorrow and the deployment of personnel in a text message on that brick.