Don't suffer, just buy a Su-57!

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Don't suffer, just buy a Su-57!

They say God loves trinities. We won't get into religious matters, as they're all very complicated, but here's the gist: the third HAL Tejas crashed in India. The third of twenty painstakingly produced aircraft, the hope and support of the Indian Air Force and everything else.

And here I would allow myself to say – another one.



The Indians' desire to create their own, even marginally operational, combat aircraft is understandable: it offers both prestige and independence. Considering that India still depends on Russia and France to equip its air force, even what's happening in Bangalore, Koraput, Nasik, and Hyderabad can't be considered fully Indian, although some Indian politicians allow themselves to say precisely that, claiming the Su-30MKI is already a 100% Indian aircraft.

Yes, they assemble it in India, but if Russia doesn't supply the engines and associated electronics, what will happen? That's right, "Tejas." And whatever you say, to consider something assembled in India from components and parts made in another country as Indian is simply shameless rudeness.

And the reality is here.


Think about it: the Indians have been trying to create their own aircraft for forty-two years. At least four generations in, and no one has even mentioned any "advantages" yet. During this time, history The third generation, the fourth, has acquired some "pluses," the fifth has taken flight, and the sixth has just begun flying as prototypes. And in India, everyone is working on the Tejas, which doesn't even really qualify as a fourth.

But it’s like it’s our own, “Make in India” and all that stuff.

The only thing that's not entirely clear is the Indian state-owned company HAL's scurrying around. We did some work ourselves and found out that it's the same old story—a gimmick. Roughly speaking, a "rice plant" (similar to a "corn plant"—ed.). But yes, it's our own and not on credit, as they say.


Basant. The first and, so far, only purely Indian aircraft.

No, there was a more or less successful attempt. The HAL HF-24 Marut, which Kurt designed for the Indians. Tank (yes, the very one from Focke-Wulf), the plane was actually quite promising, if the Indian military hadn't danced Tank to the point of a mental breakdown, perhaps something better would have come out, but...


Alas, miracles don't happen. Despite being conceived as a supersonic interceptor, the Marut never managed to exceed Mach 1. This limitation was primarily due to the engines it used, which, in turn, were constrained by various political and economic factors. Numerous attempts to develop more advanced engines or find alternative power plants have been unsuccessful, which is unsurprising: India has always had one of the highest levels of corruption in the world.

The Marut was often criticized for its high cost and lack of effectiveness compared to contemporary aircraft. However, it performed well in combat, primarily as a fighter-bomber in the ground-attack role. Its most notable contribution was the Battle of Longewala during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. Whatever one may say, Tank knew how to build aircraft.


Having "worked" independently and nearly built a second Basant, HAL decided to bow out again. In fact, it wasn't a stupid decision. If they had built on the Su-30MKI project and followed the FGFA project, India would have its own Su-57 today, a fifth-generation (well, 4+++++) fighter capable of tackling every airborne mission imaginable for a fighter.

Instead, having abandoned their work with Sukhoi, the Indians rushed to join forces with Dassault. In other words, they spent ten years tinkering with the aircraft themselves, another ten years fooling Sukhoi specialists, and then suddenly threw themselves into the arms of the French.

The choice is quite odd, as at that time and until the mid-1920s, the Rafale had a clear reputation as a failure. It's hard to say what prompted this decision. On the one hand, nobody was canceling five or six suitcases full of euros; on the other, the Indians have been working with France for a long time, since the Mirage 5, or perhaps both.

In any case, the tender embrace with France resulted in something the Indians themselves had been unable to achieve for 20 long years: at least a prototype design was produced. However, what was shown in 2002 looked less like a Rafale and more like a Mirage 2000, which by then was already a historical veteran like the MiG-29: it's flyable if you don't have the money for something new.

But the program took off like a shot, and ten years later (it had already been thirty years since work on the aircraft began), a prototype took to the skies. And ten years later, the Tejas's flight began to more or less resemble that of an aircraft that could fly.


Forty years—history knows of no project more leisurely. It's no surprise that the Indian Air Force openly abandoned the Tejas and opted to seek its fortunes in foreign contracts. Perhaps cooperation with Russia would have reached a new level for India, but the problem is—at HAL and above, people also want their chicken curry. And so began a clash between the military and the politicians.

Naturally, the politicians won. They decided to produce 180 Tejas fighters, thereby saturating the Indian Air Force with fighters to the required level. And, crucially, with Indian-made fighters, down to the last screw, not assembled from Russian kits.

The Indian Air Force marshals agreed. They had no choice, after all, since it's simple: in such countries, patriotism always goes hand in hand with the use of some kind of vile junk manufactured on an ideologically correct platform: all those Tejas, Iskras, and Moskvichs aren't worth a good word, but they're mandatory.


So Indian pilots continued to fly Sukhois and Rafales, and the very "lucky" ones, Tejas. No more than 20-30 of these aircraft have been produced to date, so there's nothing to worry about in principle, but here's the problem: these few aircraft suddenly began to develop serious, and some might say fatal, problems.

The first Tejas crashed in March 2024 in Rajasthan after a training exercise.


Fortunately, the pilot ejected and survived. The crash investigation committee determined that a seized oil pump, which destroyed the engine, was to blame.

Then came a very unpleasant incident in November 2025 at Al Maktoum Airport during the Dubai Airshow. The aircraft crashed in front of potential customers, and the pilot died.


The cause has not yet been announced, and an investigative committee is working. The plane was performing an aerobatic maneuver, so human error is possible, but given the type of pilots used for such events, human error can be ruled out.

February 7, 2026. Another disaster, the plane is completely destroyed.


The pilot ejected and suffered minor injuries. According to preliminary reports, a technical malfunction and onboard systems failure occurred, leading to a "presumed brake failure."

That is, in just a year and a half, 10% of Tejas aircraft ended up in the scrapyard because they crash no matter what. Considering how many of these aircraft have been produced to date, this truly is a systemic problem that goes far beyond the aircraft itself.

It's clear that the Indian politicians responsible for all this, at all levels, are trying their best to push Tejas into the skies. It's all about money, nothing personal. Some own shares in HAL, some are simply receiving kickbacks, and some are manufacturing components, from metal to rubber seals. Everyone, as they say, is involved.

But there's a growing awareness in society that the government is up to something strange. As the Indian Paper Magazine writes, "Let's first fill Aviation "We'll have working fighters, and then we'll do our own experiments. I think the Su-57 could very well be an interim solution to this problem. There are simply no other comparable options."

And commentators on the Indian internet are openly saying that the purchase of the Su-57 is a good and inevitable thing, because Pakistan already practically has the J-35.


You know what the end result will be? We'll end up buying 250 Sukhois again.

The situation is ridiculous beyond belief, as it's reminiscent of a similar situation in the Russian auto industry: they're unable to produce a decent modern product themselves, but no one is going to abandon the idea for political reasons. So they're pushing for the Tejas, Niva, Aura, Vesta, and Granta (cross out the unnecessary, although everything on this woeful list is unnecessary) with all their might, no matter what.

The only thing India hasn't yet thought of is cutting bonuses for Su-30MKI pilots in favor of Tejas pilots. Not a bad idea! Maybe they'll get to that point. At least it's patriotic and doesn't require credit...

In essence, representatives of India's military-industrial complex admitted to themselves and their government that the Indian AMCA fifth-generation fighter project would not leave the prototype stage. In fact, not until the late 50s. Everyone knew this in their hearts, but they were hoping for a miracle. But miracles, as we know, don't happen. There's the lobby.

It's important to understand that the Su-57 and Rafale are aircraft of different generations and are not competitors at all in the Indian Air Force. The Rafale's competitor (and what a competitor!) is the Su-30MKI, and for every Rafale in the Indian Air Force, there are nearly a dozen Su-30s. What kind of competition is that?

Moreover, it's no secret that the Indian Air Force currently requires approximately 400 combat aircraft of all classes. And it's no secret that the Indian Armed Forces command and the government are to blame for this, having gone completely overboard with the tender process and created a situation where "tenders = farce." The result is an aircraft shortage and a complete impasse regarding what to do next.

Continuing to churn out Su-30MKIs is no longer an option. After Pakistani MiG-21/JF-17s clobbered Indian Rafales, and Pakistan purchased the J-35 and is looking at newer Chinese defense products, Indian command definitely needs to change something. They need a new-generation aircraft, and it's definitely not the Rafale. The French aircraft simply doesn't stand a chance against the Chinese, there's no doubt about that.

Dead end?


Practically speaking. AMSA is a long-term project like Tejas, but it's far from finished. The project began in 2010, so it'll definitely be in use for another 20 years, and there's no talk of 2035, as announced by Indian aircraft manufacturers. Chinese and American aircraft are out of the picture for obvious reasons, leaving only Russian aircraft.


But since the collapse of the FGFA program, from which India withdrew in 2018, there has been no breakthrough in Indian projects, and the specter of buying European cast-offs has loomed large.

Actually, he's not a ghost. He has a name, and he's quite human. Former Vice Chief of the Indian Air Force, Air Marshal Anil Chopra.


This man put more effort into disrupting the Russian-Indian FGFA program than anyone else. Anil Chopra was the main lobbyist for the national project and argued that dependence on anyone leads to a loss of technological sovereignty.

In general, one cannot disagree with him, but with a caveat: if this technological sovereignty existed. It's difficult to find the right words, but to put it bluntly, technological sovereignty doesn't mean assembling Russian tanks, MLRS, aircraft, and machine guns at Indian factories from Russian machine kits. It means truly developing our own designs, based on our own engineering school, and producing them at our own facilities.

Yes, India has its own tank, the Arjun.


The ratio in the Ground Forces is 1:10 compared to the Russian T-90 and 1:26 compared to the Soviet T-72. I'd say it's a heartbreaking comparison. Although... the Tejas is also 1:10 compared to the Su-30MKI. They have their own Akash SAM system. The ratio to the Soviet Strela, Osa, and Kub is approximately 1:14.

But perhaps the best illustration is the Indian 1B1 INSAS assault rifle, which has proven so excellent that it is being replaced by the Russian AK-203, with over 600,000 units ordered.

Overall, it's safe to say that India's situation with its "homegrown" weapons is roughly the same as Russia's with its auto industry. That is, they have it, but in terms of modernity and effectiveness, it's a sad, depressing place. And for some reason, neither billions of rubles nor thousands of crores of rupees seem to be helping.

"India may need to acquire an interim fifth-generation imported aircraft. Our goal isn't to produce copies of the Su-57, but to learn and master the aircraft step by step, as we did with the Su-30MKI. We need to improve the capabilities of our services. Considering that China will be able to produce up to 1500 fifth-generation fighters, it makes sense for us to count on a similar number of aircraft, some of which will be Russian, but with a high degree of localization."


Mr. Chopra, an opponent of all things Russian, made this statement in an interview with The Hindu. Incidentally, The Hindu is the second most widely read newspaper in India after The Times of India. So, the retired marshal was counting on a larger audience.

This could be seen as an apology. However, words can actually help matters, especially considering that Mr. Chopra is one of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's personal advisers.

It's difficult to say what changed the former air marshal's outlook, but the fact is: something could change in India. And the Indian Air Force, with the help of Russian aircraft, will have a real opportunity to put itself on par with Pakistan and China.

Indeed, enough dancing, take the Su-57 and you will be happy.
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  1. +9
    3 March 2026 04: 13
    It would be nice to write similar articles in Indian and promote them through search engine promotions.
    1. SAG
      10+
      3 March 2026 04: 54
      It would be nice to write similar articles in Indian and promote them through search engine promotions.

      Most Indian publications are published in English. There are as many in Hindi as in Brazilian...
      But in essence, this mentality won't change; without dancing with an elephant, there are no contracts in India!
      Considering that China will be able to produce up to 1500 fifth-generation fighters, it makes sense for us to count on the same number of aircraft

      But I like this message. good ...and although I understand that sending 1,500 vehicle kits to India is a pipe dream, even if it's 1/5 of that, it will already cover all our costs for the new Su-57 production lines!
      1. 15+
        3 March 2026 06: 40
        We need to sort out our own aircraft manufacturing... We can't even put the new Baikal crop duster into production, and it's embarrassing to even talk about the Superjet.
        As for a potential contract for the 57th, that's a pretty long shot. We need them ourselves; we're fighting, if anything.
        And we won't be able to start delivering such supplies for at least five years. And then even the 57 won't be as modern...
        1. 13+
          3 March 2026 06: 55
          Pakistan already has the J-35.
          The Chinese shot down several J-15s while learning to build their own fighters. The Hindus haven't encountered anything particularly terrifying; they're simply lagging behind the Chinese.
          1. +7
            3 March 2026 07: 42
            1. To become self-sufficient in arms production, India needs to start with the basics—universal free education. For example, according to UN estimates, 22-25% of India's population is illiterate, which amounts to almost 250,000,000 people. This means changing the foundation of its statehood from the corrupt capitalism of a third-world country to socialism. Opening higher education institutions to all segments of society is essential.
            2. An example of solving problems nearby is socialist China. All the solutions have long been known.
            3. Break the medieval caste system.
            4. Replace the London elite with a nationally oriented one.
            5. Switch to five-year planning plans with clear goals and responsibility for failure to achieve them.

            Only a social breakthrough can pull India out of the medieval swamp.
            1. +8
              3 March 2026 07: 55
              Incidentally, I immediately noticed that this corrupt official in a white caftan had medals on his chest, just like our own Bulgakov. And they were all colorful, like life in India.
              1. SAG
                0
                3 March 2026 23: 09
                Maybe a little off topic, but... Is there an expert who can explain which specific aircraft is in the photo? Alisa claims it's a Su-57! But the airframe, the shape of the air intakes and vertical tail (not all-moving!), the lack of movable wing root extensions, and the OLS in the center near the canopy, make it more reminiscent of a variation on the MiG-29/35...any experts?
            2. +3
              3 March 2026 08: 17
              Quote: Civil
              socialist PRC
              With the second-largest number of billionaires in the world (after the United States). With private ownership of the means of production. It seems that some supporters of socialism don't care about the principles of socialism at all; they only care about the hammer and sickle.
              1. -10
                3 March 2026 12: 39
                Quote: Commissar Kitten
                Quote: Civil
                socialist PRC
                With the second-largest number of billionaires in the world (after the United States). With private ownership of the means of production. It seems that some supporters of socialism don't care about the principles of socialism at all; they only care about the hammer and sickle.

                You can tell he's a bot right away... by his allergy to the word "socialism"... How's the pension reform going? What's Chubais's pension? laughing
                1. +4
                  3 March 2026 13: 12
                  If you see an allergy to the word "socialism" in the statement that it is strange to call the PRC "socialist," then you are not reading with your eyes, but with something else.
                  1. -10
                    3 March 2026 13: 41
                    Quote: Commissar Kitten
                    If you see an allergy to the word "socialism" in the statement that it is strange to call the PRC "socialist," then you are not reading with your eyes, but with something else.

                    How's privatization going? Is there anything left or is it all over? laughing
              2. 0
                7 March 2026 14: 24
                But with the leading role of the CCP!
            3. +8
              3 March 2026 10: 03
              Quote: Civil
              Only a social breakthrough can pull India out of medieval...

              Unfortunately, this is unlikely. Because there's no one. 250 million illiterate people are incapable of this, and the appanage princes/rajas have been content with everything since the time of Alexander the Great...
              Quote: Civil
              change the basis of its statehood from the corrupt capitalism of a third world country to socialism.

              They couldn't do it even when the socialist colossus of the USSR towered nearby. And now it seems like pure science fiction...
              Quote: Civil
              All the recipes have been known for a long time.

              But it’s not enough to know the recipe...
              You can find a hundred recipes for excellent cakes, but that doesn't mean you can make a hundred excellent cakes... And if you have no culinary experience, you might not find a single edible one, which, however, doesn't mean you should stop trying...
              Quote: Civil
              Replace the London elite with a nationally oriented one.

              Yes, but how... For now, the best people are looking for career happiness in Europe/America...
              1. +2
                3 March 2026 12: 23
                But it’s not enough to know the recipe...
                I completely agree with you. Zhvanetsky immediately came to mind: "You need to be more thorough, guys. They gave us the formula CH3COC2H5 for two hours..."
                I also remembered a joke: "Turkmen nuclear physicists are perplexed: no matter what experiments they conduct, the result is still marijuana." :-)
            4. +2
              3 March 2026 11: 22
              "That is, to change the basis of our statehood from the corrupt capitalism of a third-world country to socialism." We would do well to take care of this as well.
              1. SAG
                -2
                3 March 2026 22: 41
                Are you prepared to endure famine like the 20s, repression like the 30s, and then war like the 40s for this? Yes, don't be surprised, it's all links in the same chain! Then good luck to you, we just need to find another 30-40 million such heroes! fellow
            5. +2
              5 March 2026 18: 50
              If the caste system were abolished in India, the country would fall apart. And no one would agree to it. It can only be abolished in words, not in practice. Alas...
          2. +2
            3 March 2026 15: 52
            Incidentally, Russia also crashed at least one Su-57. And that's just what's known. Generally speaking, aircraft development is very labor-intensive and has a long history. Remember the development and implementation of the Su-57 (and other aircraft).
            1. SAG
              0
              3 March 2026 22: 49
              By the way, the Russian Federation also crashed at least one SU-57

              And was the plane ultimately written off or restored?
        2. +5
          3 March 2026 08: 44
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          We need to sort out our own aircraft manufacturing... We can't even put the new Baikal crop duster into production, and it's embarrassing to even talk about the Superjet.
          As for a potential contract for the 57th, that's a pretty long shot. We need them ourselves; we're fighting, if anything.
          And we won't be able to start delivering such supplies for at least five years. And then even the 57 won't be as modern...

          Why do we need localization in India? Transferring technology to them is a bad idea. They're neither our friends nor our allies.
          1. +5
            3 March 2026 10: 10
            Quote: Bearded
            Why do we need localization in India?

            1. Contract = money
            2. Maintenance for decades to come = money
            3. Guaranteed state attachment, at least non-hostility.
            4. A serious reduction in potential solvent importers. Egypt and Indonesia have dropped out, China is trying to do its own thing, and the only remaining options are Algeria and India, and even then, under the pressure they're under, it's unclear what will happen next...
            1. 0
              3 March 2026 12: 33
              Actually, as I understand it, he was referring to technology. I also think that's not entirely correct: if you're going to sell something, only the outdated ones.
              Service for decades to come
              If they have the technology, their own production (i.e. localization), their own assembly, then they will be able to service it themselves; they don’t need us.
              Guaranteed state attachment, at a minimum, non-hostility.
              You're mistaken here: how much money, resources, technology, etc., have we poured into Eastern Europe and the Soviet republics? Now they're our "sworn enemies." So your formula doesn't work.
              1. +3
                3 March 2026 15: 24
                Quote: Poplar
                If they have the technology, their own production (i.e. localization), their own assembly, then they will be able to service it themselves; they don’t need us.

                Any localization for a foreign partner is unlikely to exceed 80%. All the most critical technologies will never be sold, meaning the buyer will be unable to manage without the seller throughout the entire product lifecycle...
                Quote: Poplar
                How much money, resources, technology, etc. have we poured into Eastern Europe and the Soviet republics?

                "Pounding" hypothetical "allies of the socialist bloc" with weapons and ensuring the terms of a specific arms contract are not the same thing...
                Naturally, there's no 100% guarantee of anything, but if you have the backbone/significant portion of your aircraft fleet from a particular manufacturer, you should think three times before completely cutting ties with them, as there's a risk that, in a short time, these expensive products will turn into a pile of useless scrap...
                Quote: Poplar
                Your formula doesn't work.

                It certainly works. The largest importers of Russian weapons, such as China, India, Algeria, Indonesia, and Vietnam, are not seen as overt enemies.
              2. +1
                3 March 2026 20: 29
                If you sell something obsolete, people will buy something from the seller that isn't obsolete. And if there's a non-theoretical enemy, even cheapness won't help.
          2. SAG
            -1
            3 March 2026 22: 47
            Why do we need localization in India? Transferring technology to them is a bad idea. They are neither our friends nor our allies.

            And if you discover, say, the world's largest gold or rare earth deposit, you'll have every right to demand the same from the government! War is incredibly expensive. And everything in this life has to be paid for! FOR EVERYTHING! You want Russia to be the sole manufacturer of 5th-generation aircraft with its own money? Go for it! good
        3. +3
          3 March 2026 12: 52
          Well, Antonov couldn't replace the An2 himself. The An14 might have been good and more comfortable, but it wasn't a versatile aircraft. The problem with replacing the An2 is the price. It's a Rysachok, a Gzhel, or a Grach, but it's expensive, especially considering the An2 was a freebie, and a used one is always cheaper than a new one. There's also an An3, but it's expensive. The Baikal will be expensive too, but it seems the UZG owner has access to high places, maybe he'll push through subsidies. And the fact that Skria didn't have a domestic engine, and developing one is expensive and time-consuming (by the way, our designers are great; engines are designed quickly). So, are you ashamed of the Superjet? Developed in an era of peace, friendship, and the international division of labor, the result wasn't a Superjet, but a solid mid-range aircraft that's flying successfully today. The initial problems were related to the French, who not only had their parts lasting four times longer than the warranty period, but also were slow to repair them, so we had to buy replacement engines to avoid waiting for the French to have coffee and a croissant. It looks like a setup on their part. The fact that production had to be stopped in '22 due to sanctions meant we practically had to design a new aircraft (it even lost one "s" in the name). The MS-21 itself, for example, is not what it was in '22. I believe our designers were able to redesign the aircraft very quickly, and most importantly, the engines, the most complex component. After all, there are more countries producing aircraft than there are producing aircraft engines.
        4. SAG
          0
          3 March 2026 19: 01
          We need to sort out our own aircraft manufacturing... We can't even put the new Baikal crop duster into production, and it's embarrassing to even talk about the Superjet.
          As for a potential contract for the 57th, that's a pretty long shot. We need them ourselves; we're fighting, if anything.
          And we won't be able to start delivering such supplies for at least five years. And then even the 57 won't be as modern...

          It's a shame you're not in charge of the UAC... I don't think there would be any problems by now. No planes, no problems!
          Baikal and Superjet are currently made entirely of domestic components and are undergoing testing. No attack aircraft or alarms, which are unacceptable in aircraft manufacturing!
          Do we need Su-57s at the front now? How many do we need? 200? 300? For what purposes? When the cheaper and simpler Su-30s, Su-34s, and Su-35s cover all our needs!
          Are you ashamed of the world's only airplane assembled in one country without cooperation?! Well, fly to the country where you belong, and you won't be ashamed!
          1. -1
            3 March 2026 21: 53
            Quote: SAG
            When cheaper and simpler Su-30, Su-34, Su-35 cover all needs!

            already dominate the skies over Ukraine? Or is this not necessary?
            1. SAG
              +1
              3 March 2026 22: 25
              already dominate the skies over Ukraine? Or is this not necessary?

              Let's first define what you mean by the word dominates...
              If it's dominance at altitudes above 5000 meters in the frontline zone with the ability to strike deep into the enemy's rear, then absolutely. But if it's unrestricted flights over all of Ukraine, then, given the existence of ground-based air defense systems, even 300 Su-57s won't help!
              In theory, you could certainly pelt everything with brand-new carcasses until they're completely suppressed, but who's going to pay for it? Maybe those who shout that Indian money isn't needed...don't have enough themselves?!
              1. -2
                3 March 2026 23: 22
                Quote: SAG
                Even 300 Su-57s won't help with this!

                If they don't help against air defense, and this is presented as one of their advantages, it is logical that they are not needed... It is just strange that the 5th generation is not shot down in Iran... So, there is a meaning to the 5th generation after all... Dominance over cover can be understood only by one thing, in my opinion - flying almost without problems over cover, or could there be some other meaning?
                1. SAG
                  0
                  3 March 2026 23: 34
                  It's just strange that in Iran they don't knock down the 5th generation... so there is a point to the 5th generation after all...

                  It's strange that, despite half a century of sanctions, Iran hasn't caught up with the United States, Germany, and France combined in terms of air defense technology and numbers?!... Hmm...
                  fly almost without problems over shelter
                  ...in some ways I understand you, I thought pretty much the same way when I was in 5th or 6th grade...
                2. 0
                  7 March 2026 14: 32
                  Where does the 5th generation fly? Over Iran? Or in the same border zone, or even further away? And even further away, remember how the AV decided 300 km from the Iranian coast wasn't enough and added another 300...
        5. +1
          5 March 2026 12: 00
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          As for a potential contract for the 57th, this is a rather distant prospect.

          This is a very close prospect; the contract is currently being written and approved by lawyers and technologists on both sides. The contract is large, complex, and lengthy. India needs about 300 of these aircraft. Therefore, they will order 40 ready-made units, and the rest will be assembled in India from our kits under several staged contracts. The production line is being prepared, and specialists are being trained.
          Moreover, the Indians are also interested in the promising Su-75E.
          They will also modernize their Su-30MKIs.
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          We can't put the new Baikal corncob into production,

          How could it be put into production without its own engine? Now a prototype is flying with a domestic engine, preparing for production, tests are going well (according to official reports), and the engine is being put into production.
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          It's embarrassing to even talk about the Superjet.

          There's no shame in that – certification of the fully domestic version is nearing completion, and over two dozen newly assembled SSZh-100s are already awaiting the completion of missing components and certification. The SSZh-100 will also be assembled under license in India and the UAE. The aircraft is quite successful, but before, it was a Lego-like creation made from imported components; now, it's a fully domestic aircraft. Just like the MC-21-310. And don't be so pretentious – restarting the entire production cooperation for all components almost from scratch isn't about assembling an aircraft from ready-made parts; it's about completely rebuilding the entire industry and revitalizing related ones. It won't work like Khottabych's "crash-tibidoh." That requires time, personnel, and a lot of money. Everything is in the final stages now.
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          We won't be able to start delivering such supplies for another five years or so. And then even the 57 won't be as modern...

          The Su-57E has already been exported. Last year, Algeria received six (and another six each of the Su-35SE and Su-34E). This year, Algeria will receive the same number and has already exercised its option to expand its order. Several more customers are waiting their turn, negotiations are underway with several more, and orders continue to come in. Don't worry about our production capacity; we will have three assembly lines operating (3 x 30 = 90 aircraft per year) plus an additional assembly line in India. Enough for everyone. Last year, at least 36 aircraft were assembled and delivered to customers, and this year at least 45 are expected, but possibly more.
        6. 0
          7 March 2026 14: 21
          You're wrong to assume that aircraft manufacturers lack capacity. On the contrary, there's always a shortage of markets.
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    2. +9
      3 March 2026 05: 08
      Quote: Dmitry V. Shmykov
      It would be nice to write similar articles in Indian and promote them through search engine promotions.
      Purchasing decisions aren't based on online articles, but rather on product specifications or, more likely, a thick envelope. The latter works best!
      1. +6
        3 March 2026 05: 54
        ...that Basant in the photo doesn't look very good. Our guys in garages can definitely cobble together something more interesting using whatever they have on hand...
    3. 11+
      3 March 2026 06: 04
      Quote: Dmitry V. Shmykov
      It would be nice to write similar articles in Indian.

      It would be, but here's the problem: there's no such thing as "Indian." Even Hindi, the most widely spoken local language, isn't understood by more than half of India's population. In fact, there are a dozen or so official languages ​​spoken in individual provinces, spoken by tens, even hundreds, of millions of people. But in a neighboring province, their command of it is probably about as good as that of the Ukrainians, or more likely, the Poles. That's why English, the language of the former colonizers, remains the official state language in India, because it's spoken by every educated person in every province without exception. The only problem is that the uneducated and undereducated are far more numerous in India. Although the undereducated certainly aren't interested in buying airplanes; after work, they'd rather watch dancing with elephants, whether on the idiot box or in real life. So the task becomes simpler: write in English. Although the Indian version of English is quite unique, rest assured that both the British and American versions will be understood.
    4. 0
      3 March 2026 20: 25
      It is physically impossible due to the absence of an "Indian language". Each of the many peoples has its own. winked Even by law, a high school graduate must know at least three "Indian languages." English is an international language for them, not only outside the country, but also within it.
  2. +4
    3 March 2026 04: 16
    Patriotism is a good thing, but "hurray-patriotism" at any cost is a pathetic thing.
    It's just that some complex things need to be done through evolution, not revolution. You can't just produce a microprocessor right away; first you have to make a transistor, then a microcircuit, then a microcontroller, then a basic processor... and only then, in about ten years, reach a global level. But to do that, you have to pour in mountains of cash, undeterred by "reverse engineering," industrial espionage, or even disregard for someone else's nearly-expired licenses. (In short, do it like China, or better yet, if you want to achieve anything.) The same goes for cars or airplanes. They should have first dabbled in cruise missiles and light aircraft... Gradually increase the percentage of their own in the total mass of others.
    Because if you ban everything and allow people to buy, say, a TAZ, people won't rush to buy TAZs. They'll either buy used cars while they have something to weld on, weld the sill holes, or, if they're richer, buy overpriced export cars that are actually cars, not TAZs. But for the sake of patriotism, no one will rush to buy an overpriced TAZ.
    Although in our time, everything will still come down to microelectronics. Even the production of hammers or screwdrivers in a factory will be reduced to a CNC machine or a production line with microelectronics inside...
    1. +1
      3 March 2026 07: 24
      Quote: Last centurion
      Even the release hammers or screwdrivers At the factory, it will be reduced to a CNC machine or a line with microelectronics inside...

      To make the output cost as much as a CNC machine?
  3. 10+
    3 March 2026 04: 17
    Indeed, enough dancing, take the Su-57 and you will be happy.

    The author must understand that when buying an expensive aircraft, everyone's first and foremost question is, "What can it do?" Mr. Chopra watches the news, reads analyst reports, and sees the F-35 destroying Iran's air defenses while flying freely in its airspace. Let's say he asks Russian representatives, "Why can't your Su-57 do the same in the air defense system?" What clear answer can they give him? It's a simple question with simple conclusions.
    1. -1
      3 March 2026 05: 03
      the answer seems obvious:
      It's one thing to fly into Iranian airspace, where there's no layered air defense and where the only S-300s were from the 1970s, modernized of course, but still, and most importantly: without modern networked radars and most likely with careless, Eastern-style crews (we remember all the footage from past wars, when an Israeli missile captured a Syrian crew smoking near a "Pantsir" and... there's that innate carelessness everywhere).
      And it's quite another matter to fly into a zone of layered air defense at all altitudes, from hand-held SAMs and Gepard missiles to "Patriots," and also provided with intelligence data from the entire NATO bloc, all types and varieties of ground and airborne radars, satellites, etc., and even with crews that are clearly not local or selected from locals, but under the supervision of clearly "Western soldiers of fortune."
      1. +9
        3 March 2026 05: 13
        Quote: Last centurion
        the answer seems obvious:

        Apparently, Mr. Chopra does not consider such arguments.
      2. -2
        3 March 2026 06: 01
        Quote: Last centurion
        the answer seems obvious:
        It's one thing to fly into Iranian airspace, where there's no layered air defense and where the only S-300s were from the 1970s, modernized of course, but still, and most importantly: without modern networked radars and most likely with careless, Eastern-style crews (we remember all the footage from past wars, when an Israeli missile captured a Syrian crew smoking near a "Pantsir" and... there's that innate carelessness everywhere).
        And it’s another matter to fly into a zone of echeloned air defense at all altitudes, from hand-held anti-aircraft missiles and Gepards to “Patriots.”

        How many of these patriots are there? And why can't they pinpoint the missile launch site and provide immediate cover?
        1. 12+
          3 March 2026 06: 39
          A fixer is needed and a cover immediately.
        2. +5
          3 March 2026 08: 10
          Quote: Panin (Michman)
          How many of these patriots are there?
          Yes, not so little. Not counting other systems such as: Iris-T SampT (French, if I didn't make a mistake in the title and its spelling), S-300V1, Buk-1, and a few other smaller ones... wink

          Quote: Panin (Michman)
          And why can't we fix the missile launch location with immediate coverage?
          That's a good question, but it's for the Russian Ministry of Defense (!). Why, seeing the entire world shifting to network-centric interaction and real-time data transfer during combat operations, haven't they developed such combat methods? And even communications, for that matter... request
      3. +3
        3 March 2026 07: 41
        Quote: Last centurion
        into a layered air defense zone at all altitudes, from hand-held SAMs and Gepard missiles to "Patriots," and also backed by intelligence from the entire NATO bloc, all ground-based and airborne radars of all types and types, satellites, etc., and even with crews that are clearly not local or selected from locals, but under the supervision of clearly "Western soldiers of fortune."

        How come Geranis and Kalibrs fly over by the tens of hundreds every day? And they weren't supplied with that many Patriots...
        1. +1
          3 March 2026 23: 17
          How do our Ukrainian drones fly thousands of kilometers behind enemy lines? After all, there's a significant difference in signature and flight path between cruise missiles and drones and normal aircraft, not to mention the "insignificant" fact that both sides shoot down dozens and hundreds of these cruise missiles and drones. I seriously doubt you want to shoot down aircraft in such numbers. A Hunter-57 flew a dozen kilometers behind the front line once, but what works once doesn't necessarily work twice, three times, and so on. And no one wants to lose a multi-million-dollar aircraft, and more importantly, a pilot. That's why leading countries are planning complex air defense suppression operations, establishing local air superiority, and so on.
          1. +1
            3 March 2026 23: 19
            Quote: shocktrooper
            How do our Ukrainian drones fly thousands of kilometers behind enemy lines? After all, there's a significant difference in visibility and flight path between cruise missiles and drones and regular aircraft, not to mention the "insignificant" fact that both sides shoot down dozens and hundreds of these cruise missiles and drones.

            Our guys are actually shooting down hundreds, but the Geranis with their calibers are frolicking all over the shelter precisely because our air defense is an order of magnitude stronger...
            1. 0
              3 March 2026 23: 23
              Yeah, that's why "debris" keeps falling, either on the plant in Votkinsk or on the oil and gas terminal on the Caspian Sea. I won't even mention any oil refineries. Blessed are those who believe, that's all I can say.
      4. +2
        3 March 2026 14: 23
        Quote: Last centurion
        And it’s another matter to fly into a zone of layered air defense at all altitudes, from hand-held anti-aircraft missiles and gepards to “patriots,” and also provided with intelligence data from the entire NATO bloc, all ground and airborne radars of all types and kinds, satellites, etc., and even with

        What kind of "layered air defense" did Ukraine have in 2022?
        Or is there now?
        You're rapping straight from the manual:
        https://telegra.ph/Metodichka-dlya-sporov-po-PVO-Irana-v-internete-022026-02-28
      5. +3
        3 March 2026 20: 33
        Conclusions are drawn from results, not from propaganda tales for internal consumption.
    2. 0
      3 March 2026 05: 12
      Quote: Puncher
      "Why can't your Su-57 do the same in the SVO?" and what clear answer can they give him? It's a simple question with simple conclusions.
      Very apt remark! Respect!
    3. 0
      3 March 2026 07: 03
      Quote: Puncher
      "Why can't your Su-57 do the same in the SVO?" and what clear answer can they give him? It's a simple question with simple conclusions.
      The answer isn't complicated. We've had air defense since the Soviet era, not counting Iran's air defense, not counting the Soviet air defense systems supplied to the Soviet Union by all of Europe, plus the Iris-T, some French Sam, and the Patriots and smaller ones...
      And there, they have a Buk or Kub, or at most an Osa-M, and even then, not in the quantities needed to fire at the F-35. Even the F-15s probably have a longer range for their anti-radar missiles than the old Soviet air defense systems imported in the 1970s (or 1980s).
      wink
      1. +5
        3 March 2026 07: 11
        Quote: Vl Nemchinov
        Well, the answer isn't complicated. There's been air defense here since the Soviet era.

        Why do I need these mantras? I was simply explaining the principles by which people choose equipment. When buying a car, you probably look at user reviews, not really trusting the manufacturer's garbled mess. They might claim that any dirt is no problem, but reviews claim the vehicle has poor off-road performance and is unsuitable for off-road use. But another manufacturer's car goes like a tank off-road. And if the price is around that, the choice will be clear.
        1. 0
          3 March 2026 07: 28
          Quote: Puncher
          Why do I need these mantras? I was simply explaining the principles by which equipment is selected.
          Your comparison was clumsy, without taking into account the differences in application (operation under different initial conditions) !! lol

          Quote: Puncher
          When you buy a car, you probably look at user reviews, not really trusting the manufacturer and what they've painted on it.
          And here's a miss! I've been driving for over 35 years. I've driven almost everything (including as an instructor during practice at a driving school), and so I don't really need reviews from other users (!). wink
          and as for what you called “manufacturers,” when comparing two cars of the same class: let’s say in the case of the Lada Iskra and the Renault Logan, (the same platform) I would prefer the Iskra with a 6-speed manual transmission, for example, rather than the Logan. wink
          1. +1
            3 March 2026 07: 34
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            I don't really need other users' reviews.

            Are you the center of gravity? Does the world look up to you? For most people, knowing how a vehicle performs in real life is important, and reviews are crucial. No one will buy an SUV they're afraid to use off-road.
            1. 0
              3 March 2026 07: 59
              Quote: Puncher
              Are you the center of the universe? Does the whole world look up to you?
              ahah lol
              No, it's much simpler. It's just that I'm a "practitioner" and not a "theorist".

              Quote: Puncher
              For most people, it's important to know how the equipment works in real life, and reviews are important.
              That's why I judge cars after driving them, not by reviews!!!
              wink
              And here's a clear example for comparison, where I compared two cars from different manufacturers but of the SAME class (essentially on the same platform, from Renault Logan!). Yes
              but you tried above compare "spicy" with "wet", and even in different (obviously not identical conditions!!), comparing the overcoming of the new F-35 air defense over Iran (where there are few and morally obsolete air defense systems of the Soviet period, plus in the hands of God knows who...), with the SVO zone, where it is systematically built (even if it's not perfect), but based on the principles of city-level interaction (similar to NATO requirements), much more heavily saturated with both foreign air defense systems and radars. Often using the real-time operational intelligence they provide (from AWACS aircraft, NATO satellites, and UAVs frequently hovering over Crimea, etc.). winked This is where the effectiveness of combat sorties will vary!!! and not from the aircraft model or country of manufacture!!! wink
              So I hope my answer is clearer to you?! winked
              hi
              1. +3
                3 March 2026 08: 15
                Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                I judge cars

                Who's blaming you for that? But the Hindu clearly doesn't think like you. And he's not alone.
                Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                the SVO zone, where it is systemically built (albeit not ideally), but on the principles of city-level interaction (similar to NATO requirements), much more saturated with foreign air defense systems and radars.

                24.02.2022?
              2. +2
                3 March 2026 14: 55
                Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                The point is simply that I am a "practitioner" and not a "theorist"

                Practitioner, please tell us about Iran's air defense?
                Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                And there is a "Buk" or "Kub", at most an "Osa-M", and even then not in those quantities.

                Ага.
                As of June 2025:
                Bavar-373 – long-range air defense missile system has more than 12 batteries
                HQ-9B – from China, export version (FD-2000B). 4 batteries, each with 6-8 launchers.
                S-300PMU2 – from Russia, 4 batteries since 2016. 48N6E2 missiles.
                Sayyad-2 and Sayyad-3, Khordad 15 – since 2013, more than 42 batteries
                S-300 – 4 batteries since 2011. Purchased after Russia refused to supply S-300PMU-2. 48N6 missiles.
                Sayyad-1 – 9 batteries. The Sayyad-1 SAM (60 km) is a modernized copy of the Chinese HQ-2 SAM missiles. It has IR tracking. In 2010, Iran upgraded all of its Sayyad-1s to the Sayyad-1A (80-100 km, ceiling 27 km).
                S-200 Fajr-8 and S-200 Ghareh – 10 batteries, since 2011. In 2007, Iran modernized its S-200 air defense missiles into the S-200 Fajr-8 (range 200-250 km) and then the S-200 Ghareh (250-300 km); the latter are used in the Talash-3 and Bavar-373
                Raad-1, 2 and Khordad-3 – medium-range air defense systems, since 2012, more than 400 batteries.
                The MIM-23 Hawk is a medium-range air defense system, in service since the 970s, with 200 batteries. In 1999, Iran locally upgraded its Hawk air defense systems to the Improved Hawk standard, increasing their range to 24–30 km and their ceiling to 14–16 km.
                Well, and all sorts of nonsense:
                Rapier – since 1971, short-range air defense system, 30 launchers, Ya Zahra-3 – since 2013, short-range air defense system, 200+ launchers, Herz-9 – since 2013, short-range air defense system, 200+ launchers. The 3.5+ generation version of the Ya Zahra system.
                "Tor" - 29 PU, since 2005, Zubin - since 2022, Azarakhsh - since 2024, Mersad - medium-range air defense system, since 2010, 300+ batteries, etc.
                1. -2
                  4 March 2026 01: 37
                  Quote: don_Reba
                  As of June 2025:

                  Why so cruel? Your reality prevents people from the land of pink ponies from talking about Iran's "weak" air defense and Ukraine's "all-powerful" air defense and air force of 2022. This is thought crime!
                  The funniest thing is that in 2022, exactly the same people were talking about the complete collapse of the Ukrainian army and air force.
                  1. -3
                    4 March 2026 01: 57
                    Quote: Belisarius
                    Why so cruel?

                    But it wasn’t a “theoretician” who was yelling there (about Iran’s decrepit air defense), but a “practitioner” (with 35 years of experience driving a Lada Iskra)☝️
                    How could this happen?
                    Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                    Air defense over Iran (where there are few and obsolete air defense systems from the Soviet era, plus in the hands of God knows who...), with the air defense zone, where it is systemically built (even if not ideally), but on the principles of city-level interaction (similar to NATO requirements), much more saturated with both foreign air defense systems and radars


                    I still haven't listed all the culverts, zak, and radar for him.
                    I wonder if he (the “practitioner”) is aware that in June 2013, a space observation center was opened in Iran, elements of which were first shown in 2010?
                    And in the photo (but this is not exact) are the positions of the 3-coordinate Ghadir radars with a viewing area of ​​up to 1100 km and an altitude of up to 300 km.
                    🥱Ukrainians never even dreamed of this
                    Mdaa.
                    (Iran's aviation situation is lackluster, Netanyahu will tell you that.)
                    1. 0
                      4 March 2026 16: 36
                      Quote: don_Reba
                      🥱Ukrainians never even dreamed of this
                      Mdaa.

                      But you probably haven't taken into account that NATO, its space group, AWACS, and tracking stations from Norway to Turkey are all working for Ukraine. And all this in real time. And Ukraine has created an anti-drone air defense system around its cities—we wouldn't be ashamed to learn from them.
                      1. -2
                        4 March 2026 16: 47
                        Quote: Havoc
                        But you probably didn't take into account that the whole of NATO is working for Ukraine.

                        Taken into account.
                        And even if the entire Star Alliance of our galaxy works for them...
                        We need to knock it down with something.
                        We are talking about something else:
                        1. "Praktik" insisted that Ukraine had a more powerful air defense system in 2022 than Iran, because it was once part of the USSR. "Echeloned," not "a couple of decrepit Iranian 'Kuba' missiles."
                        2. Before "NATO and satellites" were all over the place, did you often see Air Force planes over Kiev?
                        Do you know the losses?
                        3. I'll disappoint you: it's not in real time, and in Norway, the Globus II/III (Vardø) is a missile warning system, while the AN/MPQ-64F1 has a range of 40 km.
                        🥱 About satellites... who stopped Russia from acquiring a similar satellite constellation?
                        I understand that it is more convenient to paint with Khokhloma RN and steal from Vostochny.

                        Quote: Havoc
                        And the fact that Ukraine has created an anti-drone air defense system around its cities

                        So-so air defense. They simply have nothing to create
                      2. 0
                        4 March 2026 17: 01
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        So-so air defense. They simply have nothing to create

                        You are deeply mistaken, there was an article here with an analysis, and the use of highly sensitive microphones would be useful to us, at least around our oil refineries and elsewhere.
                      3. -2
                        4 March 2026 17: 28
                        Quote: Havoc
                        You are deeply mistaken, there was an article here with an analysis, and the use of super-sensitive microphones

                        I am not mistaken, and certainly not deeply so.
                        The fact that “there was… an analysis” doesn’t mean anything.
                        Here's an example: there was an article here recently about F-35s flying with booms instead of radars. Skoropadov, or Skorsmehov (no offense, I can't remember his full name), wrote it.
                        So what?
                        In a normal society, if you blurt out something like that, you'll get disqualified from the madhouse for 5 years.
                        Regarding the hypersensitive, we ourselves considered this hat:
                        The Americans were located at 2 km on the microphone matrices (according to the FAK, <1 km), the Malik detector was at a maximum of 600 m.
                        Any one needs a PC or smartphone, a transmission line to the satellite, processing data from the control point, sending data to positions or mobile task forces (which the target can easily maneuver past in the distance, but the mobile task forces cannot catch up with).
                        And it is required from 9000-12000
                        And a smartphone microphone won't do: you need highly sensitive microphones with amplifiers and analog pre-processing, and then algorithmic processing of the audio signal.
                        And the velocity vector is defined as 1/2 a bast shoe from the moon: "Oh, something flew by! Somewhere over there, to the right")
                        And the efficiency of the "non-brothers": 0,25 geraniums per year per 1 MTF (200 geraniums per 800 pickups for the whole of 2024). Funny.
                2. 0
                  4 March 2026 02: 45
                  Quote: don_Reba
                  As of June 2025:
                  Bavar-373 – long-range air defense missile system has more than 12 batteries...
                  I don't know how many of their air defense missile systems are there and what kind of systems they have. request , but it's not just about their quantity (!). I don't know the actual performance characteristics (not the advertised ones!!) of their radars or the anti-aircraft missiles themselves. But the fact that in real time (and in preliminary planning of operations after analyzing the received intelligence), IDF and US Air Force (judging by the results of the blows inflicted, surpass them (the Persians) by at least a head. This seems quite obvious to me based on the effectiveness of their strikes. wink
                  I believe this is achieved through synchronization when receiving and processing all incoming operational data, before planning attacks, and through the competent distribution and interaction of forces and assets (!). When and which long-range target detection radars should be left without power or damaged by sabotage groups. Which of these radars and air defense systems, due to their characteristics, will not be able to detect, for example, the F-35 (given their low visibility), before he can secretly reach the launch site of the AGM-88 HARM (anti-radar missile), and so on !!! winked
                  ...
                  What I'm getting at is that it's not enough to just have a gun in the house. You also have to know how to use it. And if you use it wisely, you can achieve more than just admiring it hanging on the wall as decoration... winked
                  hi
                  ...
                  But quantity itself does not always translate into quality!!!no matter how many lists you list) wink
                  There is a popular saying that goes like this:
                  - "The equipment in the hands of a savage is just a pile of scrap metal !" smile
                  hi
                  1. -2
                    4 March 2026 15: 27
                    My main message is:
                    I usually don't discuss issues that I don't understand at all.
                    If I started to “teach my wife how to cook cabbage soup” and declared
                    Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                    I don't know the actual performance characteristics.
                    potatoes and cabbage

                    Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                    I don't know how many there are exactly and what kind

                    pour ingredients there
                    (And so on): then I would be subject to obstruction.
                    I don't even discuss this topic.
                    But she never gets involved in “hammering in a screw and tightening a nail.”
                    And yes, I have similar experience to you - 36 years, all categories except bus/passenger. 😢. And I have driver's licenses from three countries, including the one with a paper clip.
                    But I definitely won't be driving a Lada Iskra or some Granda (God forgive me)
      2. +2
        3 March 2026 09: 44
        The disparity in the effectiveness of the Israeli-US Air Force in Iran and the Russian Aerospace Force in Ukraine appears so stark that it cannot be explained by the specifics of Iran's air defenses. The problem is long-standing, complex, and requires impartial analysis and organizational conclusions.
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    4. -1
      3 March 2026 23: 23
      It's unclear why all the talk about the Su-57 is happening when India signed a contract with the French in February for 114 additional Rafale fighters to complement its existing fleet of 26. Moreover, this time, the French agreed to transfer some technology, and some of the aircraft will be manufactured in India, which will provide a major boost to the Indian aviation industry. Indonesia also placed a large order for 42 Rafale fighters in 2022 and is now receiving the first aircraft. Indonesia and India are lost to the Russian military-industrial complex for decades, which is obvious, in my opinion, as such programs last for decades.
  4. +4
    3 March 2026 04: 53
    The author has a truly epic hatred for Nivas, Grants...
    I suppose Roman has a Mercedes, oh well... a Volkswagen made of Rheinmetall steel!

    And the men in the SVO, volunteers giving rides in Nivas, Ladas, and loaves -
    BC, food and water for LBS, gifts from the people -
    and they don’t know how far behind progress they are.

    We can say that our author is the embodiment of Anil Chopra on Russian soil.
    Chopra is simultaneously advocating for Rafali and the creation of his own military industry,
    R. Skomorokhov - apparently advocates for the foreign auto industry and for domestic exports.

    Both theirs and ours are generals.
    1. +5
      3 March 2026 09: 26
      And should they be loved? Yes "" "" ""
  5. -5
    3 March 2026 05: 07
    Overall, the idea is sound: create your own version of someone else's already polished model COMPLETELY, using the technology, machinery, and even manuals initially in a foreign language, and only later translate them into Indian (as they're multilingual). Then comes the famous "reverse engineering" and the creation of your own school.
    But we need to do exactly that, and not just "adapt" the Su-30 assembly to a non-existent, but "domestic" base. At first, you can copy it all the way down to the janitor Vasya at the gate, drunk in the morning—what if that even matters? But otherwise, the assembly will end up like it is now—twice as expensive, and just as much worse. And we also need to train the pilots FIRST—all in Russia. A classic example: I recall the introduction of rifle shooters, then still juniors, but already shooting like wildcats in domestic championships, to the TOZ-35, a sport rifle. If even athletes initially see no difference in the accuracy of the barrels from Margolin, what can we say about giving two barrels to some army man?! Something like that would happen if you gave a Su-57 to some half-baked fighter...
  6. 0
    3 March 2026 05: 25
    Sukhoi doesn't have that much money for kickbacks, that's why they screwed Sukhoi.
    1. +5
      3 March 2026 07: 17
      Quote: Alexey Alekseev_5
      Sukhoi doesn't have that much money for kickbacks, that's why they screwed Sukhoi.

      and glory to God!!! Yes Let these gypsies be better (the Hindus), the French will be hypnotized. Otherwise, they'll be inviting curious representatives from the US and UK (!) to a tour of the Su-57 assembly process on a rented Chakra (submarine). For them, the Su-30 MKI is already a lot...
      The Americans are foisting off the F-16 on their NATO partners. block70, at a price that is twice the price at which the F-35 is purchased for its Air Force!!! winked
      "Stinginess is not stupidity!" goes the popular saying. But the author suggests transferring aviation expertise to Roma representatives instead of filling their Air Force (VKS) with new aircraft.ala I will sell not expensive) ... No.
      They'll renounce it faster than any Judas. Oil, for example, is under pressure from the US, despite colossal discounts... wink
      They are dealers even in Africa.
      So it's better to let the French fool you.
      wink
  7. +8
    3 March 2026 06: 19
    I wouldn't be as overjoyed as the author. We, too, have been unable to restore production of the An-2 aircraft for several years, inherited from an older, more advanced civilization. Another twenty years of "democracy and freedom" under the rule of someone the moderators ban for mentioning, and we too will reach the level of the Indians. But at least they dance, while we'll be left with nothing but lezginka and plov festivals.
    1. -5
      3 March 2026 07: 32
      Quote: fiberboard
      We, too, have been unable to restore production of the An-2 for several years now, which we inherited from an older, more developed civilization.

      For two reasons - 1) in that civilization there was a song with the words "The squad didn't notice the loss of a soldier..." clearly characterizing the attitude - they crashed, screw to the grave, volley and that's it, and now the people - sue and win, 2) corruption.
  8. +5
    3 March 2026 06: 42
    . That's why they pull "Tejas", "Niva", "Aura", "Vesta", "Granta" (cross out unnecessary

    One can only add.

    The UAZ Patriot, for example. Or the Atom, which turned out to be more expensive than Chinese electric cars. The small B-class for an exorbitant 3,9 million rubles! True, they're promising a subsidy of up to 2,975 million rubles on credit. Which is still quite a lot. Personally, I wouldn't need such "happiness" for free.
  9. 0
    3 March 2026 06: 43
    Quote: fiberboard
    We, too, have been unable to restore An-2 production for several years now.

    It seems things have already reached a dead end, and serial production of the Baikal will begin this year. Apparently, in Komsomolsk.
  10. +6
    3 March 2026 07: 12
    Franco-Indian cooperation in aviation has long been in existence, dating back to the 50s, and has developed into a deep strategic partnership based on Indian initiative. Made in India, which France readily follows, offering India a more effective technology transfer (albeit not in full) than we do. This is precisely what led to the abandonment of the joint development of the Su-57 and India's withdrawal from the project.

    And the key components in the Franco-Indian cooperation are fighter jets Flurry, the joint development of jet engines, and the strong presence of French aerospace companies in India. The point is that India, like France, needs not just a next-generation fighter, but also a corresponding carrier-based version for deployment on aircraft carriers, which is why the French Flurry и Rafale m were actually purchased for this very purpose. But the most interesting thing is that according to the program Made in India, a contract was signed for the acquisition of more than a hundred more Flurry, which includes significant technology transfer and 60-80% localization of production in India! Can we continue this with the Su-57?
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  12. +8
    3 March 2026 07: 41
    Sell ​​a state-of-the-art aircraft to India for what?
    Did they give us incense worth this amount or Ganesha figurines?
    Even if it’s “worthless greenbacks”, so what?
    Will the Moscow pavement be re-laid for another season, or will the Vostochny Cosmodrome not be completed?
    What kind of bargaining is this: we won’t finish it, but we’ll sell it.
    Only our army has the latest weapons, and until the standard filling of units and subdivisions is reached, there will be no sales for “Ganesha figurines.”
    1. +1
      3 March 2026 10: 05
      For example, medicines come from India.
  13. 0
    3 March 2026 07: 54
    horses and people got mixed up in a heap... (c)
    Airplanes, dancing, and the Russian auto industry—the clichés are getting boring...
  14. +1
    3 March 2026 08: 23
    Correction, Su-57E or, by analogy with the Su-30MKI, Su57I.
  15. +3
    3 March 2026 08: 24
    The author's 155th article on the topic: "Well, just take the Su-57 or Su-35. We're giving them away for next to nothing!" "Well, just take them, why are you so angry?" Who else would offer you such terms?
    As funeral director Bezenchuk said
    "— 'Nymph,' damn her, does she produce anything?" the undertaker muttered vaguely. "How can she possibly satisfy a customer? A coffin—how much wood does it require alone…"
    The Indians are still making their Tejas and buying Rafales for crazy money. They just can't understand their good fortune.
  16. -1
    3 March 2026 08: 25
    Does the author lack a Grant?
    He is trying to throw mud at me through the article.
    Why even bring cars into an article about airplanes?
  17. +4
    3 March 2026 08: 25
    I read it and seemed to agree with everything, but then I remembered how the Chinese were already 50 years behind the USSR in economic development back in the 60s, as even the media said. Now they're saying we're hopelessly behind them.
    I remembered how Türkiye started making its first aircraft (UAVs) and tanks. Ours were joking too, until Syria and the Middle East War started.
    Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
  18. 0
    3 March 2026 08: 26
    I hope our people will take advantage of the situation and raise the price of the Su-57 for their valued customers.
  19. +3
    3 March 2026 08: 47
    The attempts to sell it to the Indians are already ridiculous, well, they refused, they even rejected such fat advantages and took the Rafale and are ready to take the F35, but the US technology is not handed over, that's why the contract has not yet been signed.
  20. +3
    3 March 2026 08: 56
    Do we have an excess of SU-57s?
    1. +1
      7 March 2026 14: 53
      No, not in excess. But the assembly lines are underutilized, and it's time.
  21. +3
    3 March 2026 09: 18
    In fact, it would be wrong to view India's situation solely in terms of the Su-57 procurement—it's a complex matter. India currently operates a whole host of American aircraft, including Apaches (AH-64E Apache), Shinoks (CH-47F Chinook), and many others (P-8I Neptune (Poseidon), C-130J Super Hercules, C-17 Globemaster, etc.). This equipment is new, with a stated service life of at least 2050-2060. By signing a contract with Russia (for the purchase or production of Su-57s), India faces a significant risk of losing maintenance, upgrades, and spare parts for these aircraft.
    But that's not all.
    We somehow perceive every moment of the resumption of Russian-Indian negotiations on the possible acquisition of this or that equipment in a very peculiar way. If not a victory, then some kind of breakthrough. But in reality, it's very skillful maneuvering, leverage over the Americans: if you don't make concessions on some current issue, we'll turn to Russia!
    I must say, it really works)
  22. +3
    3 March 2026 09: 59
    In the US, Congress once banned the export of the F-22. China also doesn't sell its J-20 to anyone. And while Russia sold Su-57s to Algeria (which is understandable), news constantly appears about how it would be great for India to sell them too. And the Indians immediately claim they want the aircraft manufactured locally, which implies technology transfer. And what about the Su-75, which is specifically designed for export?
  23. +1
    3 March 2026 10: 18
    The Indians will drag it out and live to see the Su-75.

    The ZUR AKASH is very reminiscent of the 3M9 missile....
  24. +1
    3 March 2026 11: 20
    The Indians are certainly right in their insistence on localization. The consequences of a lack of sufficient localization of imported technology in Russia were clearly felt after February 2022. The complete shutdown of the auto industry alone is significant. This is the result of sweetheart deals based on trust, without localization or technology transfer. So there's no point in mocking the Indians. We should learn from them!
  25. +3
    3 March 2026 11: 29
    In the current situation, the best option for the Indians is to choose the easiest to maintain and most reliable. The Su-7B could already carry bombs with the UPMK.
    The rest is unnecessary show-off. laughing
  26. G17
    0
    3 March 2026 11: 37
    India is an extremely unreliable partner in the current climate, and transferring technology to a country that is guaranteed to oppose China in the event of a war with the US, and that trained NATO pilots in mock battles with Indian Su-30s (which simulated Russian fighters), is a highly questionable decision. There's no doubt that by selling the Su-57, complete with all its components, to India for greenbacks, we're handing over our latest fighter jet directly to the Americans and British for careful and detailed study. Is it worth it? Or does Moscow simply shut down when it sees another multi-billion dollar contract? The main thing is to sell and get publicity? Hasn't India learned anything from the US-demanded halt to its purchases of Russian oil?
    1. -1
      3 March 2026 20: 43
      You would be more interested in which side India will be on during a war between China and the USA, but during a war between China and Russia...
  27. +2
    3 March 2026 11: 42
    The Tejas are replacing the MiG-21 and MiG-27, and the MiG-21 has had a stable accident rate, as is typical in India. "According to Indian media reports, over 400 aircraft have crashed in the 60 years of service of Indian MiG-21s as of 2022." The Chinese J-7 (a copy of the MiG-21) has a significantly lower accident rate. The flaws are local assembly.
  28. +2
    3 March 2026 11: 52
    The photo of the Su-57 is in the bottom photo, the image in the article (top photo) is an artwork by AI
  29. +1
    3 March 2026 12: 30
    Nothing changes.
    "Such losses are a serious negative for our manufacturers. It's a paradoxical situation: our scientists are now world leaders in satellite (space) technology, yet we can't fix certain technical problems in the aviation sector. And these problems recur again and again on our fighter jets...."
    https://topwar.ru/150248-v-indii-priveli-statistiku-avarijnosti-v-vvs-1-e-mesto-v-mire-v-neboevyh-uslovijah.html
  30. 0
    3 March 2026 12: 34
    This means they will purchase Su-57E and assemble them locally.
  31. 0
    3 March 2026 12: 43
    All these "Tejas", "Iskras" and "Moskvichs" are not worth a kind word, but they are mandatory for use.

    Moskvich is a completely NON-ideologically sound platform.
    And therefore it fully deserves a word of praise. An ordinary budget Chinese crossover.
  32. 0
    3 March 2026 13: 19
    Well, the Indians have it pretty good. First, they'll buy a couple of batches of 57s from us, and then they'll declare them their own. That's the whole "aircraft engineering school."
  33. +3
    3 March 2026 14: 35
    The article is yet another kick to VAZ from an amateur, not the first time, although, it would seem, what does an Indian fighter have to do with it?
  34. +1
    3 March 2026 14: 38
    Localization is a normal course of action for any country with military ambitions. Take the Su-30SM, for example. There's assembly and some localization. Why, if India wants the best, not equip the Su-30MKI with its own avionics and get a modern aircraft? And then depend on Russia only for turbojet engines. Then find an alternative supplier of turbojet engines of the required size.
    It is easier to localize individual components than the entire Su30MKI.
    And aircraft like the Su30SM (SM2), F15EX will remain modern for another 30-40 years.
  35. -2
    3 March 2026 15: 17
    Well, it doesn't work out to be three in one: singing, dancing, and even fighting in the air.
  36. +2
    3 March 2026 15: 56
    I think it makes sense to produce the Su-30-MKI, but as a purely attack platform with minimal claims to fighter capability - like the Strike Eagle.
    But the Indians need to understand that their fighter jets are not just a problem - they are in a really bad way.
    True, for some time it will be possible to make do with a partial modernization of electronics and the installation of the latest missiles on the same Su-30 MKI or the introduction of AWACS aircraft, which will assist the fighters.
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  38. -1
    3 March 2026 22: 52
    Quote: Last centurion
    And it's another matter to fly into a zone of layered air defense at all altitudes, from hand-held anti-aircraft missiles and Gepard missiles to "Patriots," and also provided with intelligence data from the entire NATO bloc, all ground-based and airborne radars of all types and types, satellites, etc.

    ...That raises another question about the Su-57: what country was this thing designed for? A war with a country that doesn't have air defense, or is it on par with Iran? Right? :)
  39. +1
    4 March 2026 06: 23
    Quote: Maxim G
    For example, medicines come from India.
    Also nuts, textiles. And currency too.
  40. -1
    4 March 2026 14: 02
    Come on, transfer military technology to India; we've armed one monster with a billion people, so we need to arm a second one too.
  41. +2
    4 March 2026 16: 10
    I'm far from an expert on the issues being discussed here, but I'm perplexed by all this rigmarole surrounding any deal with the guardians of the Kama Sutra temple's traditions. Either their oil is the wrong color, or they need a propeller on the tail of the SU-57, or their diamonds smell wrong. In short, they're trying to lower prices below cost by hook or by crook. And what's interesting is that they always need everything urgently, including all the technologies, blueprints, and secrets. A case in point: their urgent need for S-400 missiles. Maybe it's time to bend these gypsies over? Sure, we need money, but not at that price? We can "be patient." Let them get their fill, buying Mirages and the like for real dollars, not their stinking rupees, which they foist on us and then won't take back. They want everything from us for nothing, while we're charging them three times the price in dollars. Once, twice—slam them on the pavement, and they'll come to their senses right away. And those in Russia who lobby for all these "deals" should be sent immediately to Bastrykin and certain places, without the right to "launder" in the SVO.
  42. -2
    4 March 2026 18: 42
    My opinion is very simple and easily proven: the author of this article, Roman Skomorokhov, has simply lost touch with current events: he is still planning to successfully trade Russian weapons somewhere.
    By July 4th, Russia will no longer exist. For Donald the Antichrist has clearly formulated the main task for Russia in the coming months: by the summer of this year, the war in Ukraine must end. What does this mean specifically? Specifically, let's look online. The main US holiday is July 4th – Independence Day. The US Treasury has already printed a large series of commemorative coins: 250 Years of the USA – July 4, 2026. Incidentally, the US Army is already in full swing celebrating its 250th anniversary. Congressional elections are in September of this year. Therefore, on July 4th of this year, Donald the Antichrist will celebrate Total Victory over all US enemies! As the US Secretary of War recently said – a direct quote from a photo of his speech at Constantinople: "We will destroy all our enemies anywhere and by any means necessary." Accordingly, no later than May, exactly the same thing will happen in Russia as just happened in Iran.
    I wonder: who is this author Roman Skomorokhov planning to successfully sell Russian weapons to? Retail and takeaway? laughing love
  43. Eug
    0
    12 March 2026 11: 36
    Just money first. Enough of this one-way dance.