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Disgusting. Disgusting. Ugly

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Disgusting. Disgusting. UglyOver the past few days, it was during the preparation and holding of the celebrations to celebrate Victory Day that such a shaft of articles, opinions and provocations spilled out at various media outlets, which absolutely strengthens the confidence that Russia and its people will not be left alone for a long, long time ... Until that very day, when the citizens of the country will not get used to it as a given, to what is good and good (and most importantly - right tomorrow!) They will heal as soon as they realize that the country's leadership is leading to collapse and destruction, and only champions liberal th morals know how things change for the better! And after all, we must pay tribute, they know how to put pressure on patients with corns!


This is me to how lively, emotionally and TRUSTING forum members "IN" reacted to the article about how 9 in May the country's television "mean and without announcement" "slandered", "discredited" and "offended".

What can be said about this ... I will say the words of the author of the above-mentioned article “Disgusting. Disgusting. Ugly. The author, especially without bothering, in the best traditions of the new liberal political morality and tactics, pulled some words out of context, distorted a couple of facts, tattered statistics (a card sharper would envy!) And presented everything as a deliberate and malicious insult to the best feelings of a person. How great he managed to say about parity on the prisoners in Stalin times and in the present! What are some of the “planters” of the present? It seems that the author does not allow the pain to live in peace for the fate of such prisoners of conscience, like Mr. Khodorkovsky and Mr. Berezovsky (now deceased, but discussed with particular warmth on the Internet-resource being taken care of by the author as an indefatigable romantic business and just looking for personality , and all his covetousness - as harmless pranks of youth). Well, I think - to whom, if not Yury Zinovievich, to complain about the heavy share, the unfortunate, persecuted Boris Abramovich and others tortured ...

In principle, these Sherlockholm-deductive methods of deeply buried "truth" could not have been noticed if it were not for one phrase at the very beginning of the article "I am ashamed of those who lead Russia." And this would not be surprising - well, I’m ashamed of Karnavsky - his right and preferences, if not hurried and, I dare say, a somewhat stereotyped reaction of many members of the forum. After all, many are already in the habit of believing that “what is being said officially in a box is a priori a lie. But people say! .. ”Yes, people often say that he brings forty on his tail and, as you can be sure of the internet, these are the main things to announce loudly the forest with your caw, and then fly to the next plot.

It surprises me why forum users Gleb and Alexander (Alexdefender), being one of the very critically relevant assessments of the activities of the current Russian leadership, were completely minded just because my fellow countryman, for whom a liberal ideology feeds his world view, threw a provocative, but Essentially, a destructive slogan! Maybe it's time to get rid of the superficial perception of the information provided, colleagues on this wave of the "world" "Atu!"

The author is very Jesuit-sophisticated, in the best traditions of Western agitprop, decided to spoil the blessed air of triumph, making it clear, "Guys, don't be too arrogant!", And he did it well.

Why dear members of the forum did not mention the competent work of television throughout the country and especially Moscow? Indeed, thanks to them, many veterans were able to join the words of those of them who were in Red Square, saw everything with their own eyes and were able to say - “We saw the military power of Russia”? Indeed, thanks to their work, one of the members of the forum spoke about the tears that had come out in front of our eyes when our Russian guys marched to the sound of a march!

I ask you, dear friends, not to forget that a relentless war is being waged against Russian statehood, and we are all on its leading edge. Although it sounds a bit pretentious, it is so.

And we should always be able to see those numerous attempts to humiliate people’s pride in their country and instill in them a sense of hopelessness and faith in outside help, at the wave of a wizard because of some Ocean. And everything is done not so primitive and clumsy as a couple of years ago, but this way - by touching on particularly resonant themes and concepts (as it sounded loudly in the article, in the spirit: - “we are not slaves!” And how provocatively concluded that, “means there was no Victory?”), then putting everything in the right (most often anti-Russian) channel. So, the conviction that we live in a plagued country is hammered into our heads, so, a sense of patriotism and pride in our land, our country, is being slaughtered.
And such publications will appear with enviable regularity and with an ever-increasing ideological skill.

Be attentive colleagues. I am well aware that my words can cause an ambiguous reaction among members of the forum, but this is how I assess the content of the article under discussion.

In conclusion, I will return once again to the words from the article that prompted me to reply with this article “I am ashamed of those who lead Russia”.
I do this in order to make it clear that having written all this, I want to warn you that you should not be lazy to separate the wheat from the chaff and be very careful not to fall under the magic of loud words that they so love (often - indiscriminately and unreasonably) to scatter those whose concern for the welfare of the country resembles the plot of a caricature - a man sits, goes to his hat. Passerby: “Man, are you shitting yourself in your hat?” - “Yes, you know ..., I am not used to anything ...”
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  1. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 13 May 2013 06: 11 New
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    a relentless war is being waged against Russian sovereignty, and we are all at its forefront.
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 07: 49 New
      +7
      There will be us - There will be nobody. Unfortunately, We are FAVORITES.
      1. afire
        afire 13 May 2013 11: 13 New
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        We are not the chosen ones, we are people who "have" resources. No, I won't say so, we are people who use these resources)) At least pensioners receive money from them and the social sphere.
        1. Georges14
          Georges14 13 May 2013 23: 57 New
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          "a man sits, straightens into his hat. Passer-by:" Man, what are you shitting in your hat for? " - "Yes, you understand ..., I'm not used to anywhere ..." "
          There is a man with three hats. Two in the hands, a third on the head - everything flows around.
          “Che, man, robbed a hat shop?”
          - Not ... There are no public toilets. Su.a, how I hate this country!
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 13 May 2013 11: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: sasha.28blaga
      a relentless war is being waged against Russian sovereignty, and we are all at its forefront.

      I was touched by tears at the parade of ordinary Russians who came as families.
      Especially when they carried the Victory Banner and the Russian Federation to the melody "Get up, huge country."
    3. fortunophile
      fortunophile 13 May 2013 11: 54 New
      +4
      Indeed, if there is no enemy, then it must be created and certainly from someone standing next to him, then point a finger at him and shout "ATU!", Move aside from the trampled "enemy" to see if the bosses see who has shown vigilance and wait for "cute ".
      In my opinion, I described in detail one of the methods of "work" of the author of the opinion under a nickname with the title of a Cossack rank. Another method is to cobble together flocks like Johnny (with low voltage) and "taxi" them in order to support their own and trample unwanted ones ...
      Well, let it remain on his conscience. I have been reading the site for a long time, I didn’t want to register (it’s easier to be a reader), but today I could not restrain myself. It is these imaginary "advanced" who distract us from the real problems that create the "top" of the country, which is worshiped by people like the Esaul. Any sphere of economy, defense, education, etc. does not strengthen, but only falls apart more and more every day, but here "even ... in the eyes, everything is God's dew" for our "Internet front-line members" with the Great and Infallible at the head of the flock (Serdyukov, Skrynnik ...), which constantly cheating ...
      Sorry for the sharpness, boiling ,,,
      1. Victor
        Victor 13 May 2013 12: 16 New
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        Quote: fortuneophile
        I have been reading the site for a long time, I didn’t want to register (it’s easier to be a reader), but today I could not restrain myself. It is these imaginary "advanced" who distract us from the real problems that create the "top" of the country, which is worshiped by people like the Esaul. Any sphere of economy, defense, education, etc. does not strengthen, but only falls apart more and more every day, but here "even ... in the eyes, all the dew of God" for our "Internet front-line members"

        Listen, you, lover of fate, who has the address "..not a house and not a street ..." in your profile. Before throwing stamps from "Bolotnaya" in the direction of people, it would not hurt to ask what these people are doing, what they are doing for the country. Do you personally know a lot about Esaul? And you undertake to judge. You see, is it boiling! What have you personally done to improve the country? Or should Putin look into every gadyushnik? You haven't even overworked the site "it's easier to be a reader". Esaul, for your information, works in real life for the good of the country, creates jobs and fills the state. treasury. To the best of my ability and ability, I teach children and teenagers the Russian martial art and do pre-war training with them. And there are a lot of such on the site. And people like YOU are even afraid to indicate their location, spraying everywhere with their poisonous saliva. Russia needs so little, you just need to learn how to love it and look at it with love, helping it and strengthening it in everything. And to people like you, everything will always be bad, no matter how good it is. Neither I, nor Esaul, nor many other forum users and just people are stupid, and we perfectly see all the shortcomings and problems of our society and government. But we can separate the grains from the chaff and love our country. And the point here is not Putin at all, but in relation to reality and its own place in it. I feel sorry for you, keep on reading only, you are our nameless wrestler!
        1. fortunophile
          fortunophile 13 May 2013 12: 28 New
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          Quote: Victor
          Before throwing stamps from "Bolotnaya" in the direction of people, it would not hurt to ask what these people are doing, what they are doing for the country

          I am an adult and am able to create my own opinion about a person by his articles, comments to articles, disputes with opponents, and not by his stories about "what I did for Russia." Read the esaul's article on APEC, but don't drown in honey and oil
          Quote: Victor
          Or should Putin look into every gadyushnik?

          The usual nonsense "who have created an idol for themselves" ... It's even funny, but at the prime minister, defense minister, education minister, agricultural minister ... should he look into a bummer or how should Viyu raise his eyelids? With your point of view, it is in Russia that revival is not possible, because Pu and Shoigu are not many-sided. You are a pessimist, my friend wink
          Quote: Victor
          Esaul, for your information, works in real life for the good of the country, creates jobs and fills the state. treasury.

          Did he tell you this himself? And if he tells you that he is Batman and at night drives the CD away from the borders of Syria in the atmosphere, will you pray to him? Be more mature, this is the Internet, that is, "virtual" and your esaul may turn out to be an ordinary high school student (as an example)
          1. Victor
            Victor 13 May 2013 15: 40 New
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            Quote: fortuneophile
            Did he tell you this himself? And if he tells you that he is Batman and at night drives the CD away from the borders of Syria in the atmosphere, will you pray to him? Be more mature, this is the Internet, that is, "virtual" and your esaul may turn out to be an ordinary high school student (as an example)

            That is why I do not like people like you. Unlike you, I know exactly who Esaul is, for the simple reason that we communicate not only on the site. As for being older. My friend, I already have two adult sons and both are officers, serve the Motherland, as their father and grandfathers served. We have, do you know the tradition of defending such a homeland, and you?
        2. yak69
          yak69 13 May 2013 12: 39 New
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          Quote: Victor
          And people like YOU are even afraid to indicate their location, spraying everywhere with their poisonous saliva.

          Well, you do not indicate your place of residence in the profile? And you blame others for this.
          Russian martial art involves endurance and respect for the opponent, and you have neither endurance nor elementary concepts about the rules of politeness - just one malice !!
          How to communicate with such? You immediately rush into a fight.
          Do you also behave like that in life - almost according to yours, right away with your fists?
          1. fortunophile
            fortunophile 13 May 2013 12: 54 New
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            Quote: yak69
            Russian martial art involves endurance and respect for the opponent, and you have neither endurance nor elementary concepts about the rules of politeness - just one malice !!

            George, it is impossible to conduct a constructive dialogue or dispute with such opponents. Here either black or white and no shades, solid slogans "I and my comrades", "who is not with us, he is against us", etc. What touches me in such wrestlers is that as soon as someone disagrees with him or his idol, he is immediately a "belolentochnik". I judge from the position of an ordinary citizen of the country, the communal apartment is growing by leaps and bounds, in Moscow soon Russian speech will become an anachronism, the Minister of Education in all seriousness talks about 1 lesson of mathematics and Russian per week, the rest, if desired, for a fee and full paid higher education, and so everywhere ...
            My children have already received a higher education, but for the grandchildren it becomes somehow sad that they are going to be "debilitated" with state support. hi
            Well, let Victor be marshals on the slogans "flies", the main thing is to know who to bite and who to lick winked
            1. yak69
              yak69 13 May 2013 13: 01 New
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              Quote: fortuneophile
              the main thing is to know who to bite and who to lick

              Here, the fans of the current government have no equal! Here they are true professionals. laughing and it’s so nice to love the president (no matter what!).
              Such love reminds me of a blind motherly feeling - "He may be a murderer, but he is my son!"
              1. fortunophile
                fortunophile 13 May 2013 13: 10 New
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                Quote: yak69
                Here, the fans of the current government have no equal! This is where they are real professionals and it is so nice to love the president (no matter what!).

                I look at this circus and am amazed: I am far from thinking that members of the forum get some "Surkovo" rubles for comments (this is complete nonsense), but then some kind of pure masochism turns out. Yes, we are getting worse and worse, but these are all "good tsar and bad boyars", Pu will not look into every hole, and so on. Well, self-respect is what it should be, you can't constantly stomp on a heap of rakes. I watched the forum for a long time and noticed that many pros in their business simply leave the forum because of the attacks of "fighters", aviatemas are now empty without VAF and SSI (there were specialists, they will chew and lay out everything). Soon I will only read the comments:
                "What a beautiful ship (plane, tank)"
                "We will give Syria (Iran, Honolulu) 100500 S-500 and send 10 airborne divisions there"
                well and other nonsense request
              2. djon3volta
                djon3volta 13 May 2013 13: 20 New
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                Quote: yak69
                Here, the fans of the current government have no equal! Here they are true professionals.

                if I’m a fan of the current government, as you put it, then whose power are you a fan of? Oh, you are not a fan? And who are you? Do you like the idol among politicians, since you are interested in political topics! Who is your idol or favorite? Let me guess - Zyuganov , Kurginyan, Kvachkov? No? Then Prokhorov, Zhirinovsky, Mironov? Also not? Is it really Nemtsov, Navalny, Kasyanov? And these are not those? Who then? Can you label yourself as president? belay
                1. yak69
                  yak69 13 May 2013 19: 01 New
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                  Quote: djon3volta
                  Zyuganov, Kurginyan, Kvachkov?

                  About Zyuganov I will not, everything is clear with him. But, the same Kurginyan is bad for you? By the way, your beloved Putin came to the Essence of Time congress and supported it. Kurginyan, with his project USSR 2.0 In my opinion, it is moving in the right direction - the reconstruction of the USSR, updated and modernized. Or do you think Soviet power was like a bone in your throat?
                  But Kvachkov and Khabarov did not please you? Combat officers with rewards for BATTLE Merit, sparing their lives and sitting on trumped-up charges!
                  It turns out that you, besides Putin, will worship nobody. This means that Putin does everything in Russia: he sows bread, saves his homeland, catches thieves, protects order! But our people, the parasite, lie on the stove and only does what Putin scolds. And HE is a hero, for the whole country he is happy, alone! What time!
                  Yeah, great president. This has not yet been born ....
              3. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 13 May 2013 13: 24 New
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                Quote: yak69
                and it’s so nice to love the president (no matter what!).

                Strange as it may seem, there are a lot of resources on the Internet, both dedicated to love or hatred of the President of the country or hatred of him and the country that nurtured the owner of the resource. This may seem surprising to someone, but it’s the same freedom of speech and the same democracy which the marsh liberals are moaning about. They just want preferences only for themselves, but not for everyone without exception.
                My opinion. If someone doesn’t like something, there are many opportunities on the Internet to find your favorite business. By the way, in America, neither the country nor its President are so greyed with mud. What is it for? It seems that this is only in Russia the habit of spitting in the direction of the tsar, the Chairman of the Council of Ministers, the General Secretary, and finally, the President. But in yourself - never!
                1. djon3volta
                  djon3volta 13 May 2013 13: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  in america they don’t water a country with greyhounds

                  yeah try it. last year one american warrior criticized Obama via facebook, was fired from the service instantly. and in Russia I’m all allowed, I’m watching http://hatewall.ru/tag/87 it’s worse than Moscow’s echo + rain + rambler multiplied by 100 times! I think those who write like that should be shot live and shown in the first program!
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 13 May 2013 14: 01 New
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                    but I will say that today's Russia is shit

                    In some ways, I even agree with the author of these lines that hangs under the nickname ZLO at your link. And so it will be, while the "workers" during working hours will be surfing the Internet with working equipment. However, these are not locksmiths, turners, asphalt pavers, builders and other people who directly produce a specific product. I would like to see how an installer of aircraft and missile equipment sits on the internet during working hours.
                    In order not to ask unnecessary questions, immediately see my profile. There the answer is why I'm on the Internet during business hours. repeat
                2. yak69
                  yak69 13 May 2013 18: 41 New
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                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  in america, neither the country nor its President are so greyed with mud.

                  Wait a minute! Since when has constructive and well-reasoned criticism of the authorities turned into "Throwing mud" ?! If you are voicing such a serious accusation against the opponents of the authorities, then give specific examples. This means that if a certain citizen says that the Stooltkin, Vasilyeva, the hidden thieves, and the Fursenki, Livanovs, Shvydkie are destroying our culture and education, the Zurab, Golikova, Skovrotsov are destroying our medicine, then such a citizen "throws mud" at the President by asking a legitimate question "Why does our good president appoint such" figures "to high positions ?!
                  It turns out that Chubais, Kudrin, Gref were not appointed by Putin? And Serdyukov is "an effective manager" only now, he did not notice (according to Putin!).
                  And all these questions are "muddy ?! So what do you think?"
                  So, criticism under the cloth! But what about freedom of speech and democracy (which you rejoice so much for)? And why is it necessary to look for another site for those who do not agree with theft and embezzlement ??
                  In my opinion, a similar argument from the realm of absurdity.
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 13 May 2013 19: 02 New
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                    Quote: yak69
                    Wait a minute!

                    At least two. No problem. There were a few words, mind you not backed, accusing Putin of the same thieves?
                    And about your words about the complexities of life in Moscow.
                    So, it is still necessary to see "Who lives well in Russia?"

                    I live in the resort area and categorically do not see the line of Muscovites seeking to leave their problems and breathe in the full life-giving air of the village. Is it only in the summer, in the summer season. laughing But permanent residence: God forbid. The day before yesterday we left here. laughing
                    1. fortunophile
                      fortunophile 13 May 2013 19: 09 New
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                      Quote: Hedgehog
                      I don’t see the line of Muscovites trying to leave their problems and breathe in the full life-giving air of the village.

                      If you are an adult, you should understand the complexity of changing your lifestyle. It’s easy for a young man, especially one not yet burdened with his family, to break loose, but when his wife, children and everyone have work, study, girlfriends, friends ... However, you probably understand hi
                      Everywhere has its pros and cons, but you get used to everything. I asked only not to become like some "stubborn" who "feel good everywhere, where we are not" and to stop, like Ukraine during the Soviet era, "bawling" that all of Russia feeds Moscow. Those who "pull juice" from Russia have been living in London for a long time, not in Moscow hi
                      1. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak 13 May 2013 19: 19 New
                        +1
                        Quote: fortuneophile
                        If you are an adult, you should understand the complexity of changing your lifestyle.

                        Moreover, you will be surprised. I specifically changed the lifestyle from urban to rural. And this despite the fact that my grandfathers are the real inhabitants of the Moscow region and many members of my family have long been living in Moscow. But I am not drawn to it.
                      2. fortunophile
                        fortunophile 13 May 2013 19: 27 New
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                        Quote: Hedgehog
                        . I specifically changed the lifestyle from urban to rural. And this despite the fact that my grandfathers are the real inhabitants of the Moscow region and many members of my family have long been living in Moscow. But I am not drawn to it.

                        I envy white envy. I dream, but as long as the circumstances hold ... I myself could live on a pension, but for the time being I have the strength to help the children to the maximum. In bad times we live and parents need help and children (regardless of age anyway children) drag, so the move is postponed request
                      3. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak 13 May 2013 19: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: fortuneophile
                        I envy white envy

                        Do not be jealous, this is very bad. Even "white envy" is a negative phenomenon. smile
                        But it’s time to accustom children to an independent life. What I can’t do with my grandchildren. Children like hens rush with them. laughing
                        Okay, this is fiction already, or as they say - offtopic.
                3. yak69
                  yak69 13 May 2013 19: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  I categorically do not see the line of Muscovites seeking to leave their problems and breathe in the full life-giving air of the village.

                  In order to get a residence in your resort area, I first need to buy a house or land and be built. Then, buy equipment and even the most seedy typewriter. And you can’t do it at your 25p per month!
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Do not like it, do not steal. Who makes you?

                  And this is completely rude and rude! Are you accusing me of stealing ?! Not even knowing me!
                  Only very rude people can do this.

                  This, incidentally, is a characteristic feature of Putin's fans - to insult opponents. Now, now, you are really pouring mud on a stranger (protecting your idol) and immediately blaming others for this !!
                  This is your true face - power fans.
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 13 May 2013 19: 59 New
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                    Quote: yak69
                    And this is completely rude and rude! Are you accusing me of stealing ?!

                    At least I personally declare to the interlocutor, unlike you. You yourself here have blamed both Putin and Churov without citing specific facts of violations! Isn't that boorish?
                    In conclusion. Regarding all the names you have given. Until the trial passed, they were all only suspects. The court will condemn them, then they will be convicted of a specific crime. Here about Khodorkovsky and Lebedev we can say that they are criminals. Berezovsky criminal - was. Etc. But Putin and especially Churov are not criminals in any way, like Stalin, although someone is trying to call them that.
                  2. yak69
                    yak69 13 May 2013 23: 22 New
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                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    Until the trial passed, they were all only suspects. The court will condemn them, then they will be convicted of a specific crime.

                    Remember the film? - "Who will put him in prison? He's a monument!"
                    Do you really believe that there will be a trial ?! What taburetkin, Vasilyeva, hermit, etc. will be sentenced to real terms ?!
                    Then let's bet! If the trial of THESE takes place and they are given REAL terms for the gravity of the deed, then I admit and write capital letters to Putin in capital letters!
                    If this does not happen, then you publicly admit that you are wrong and write that Putin is godfather, and the government is his gang. Is coming?
                  3. yak69
                    yak69 15 May 2013 21: 56 New
                    0
                    My offer to bet remained unanswered ...... wink
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 13 May 2013 19: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: yak69
            And why is it necessary to look for another site for those who do not agree with theft and embezzlement ??

            Do not like it, do not steal. Who makes you? If you don’t want to read laudatory reviews that annoy you, find a place where reviews similar to yours will delight you. Nerve cells are not restored. And live longer. laughing
    4. Victor
      Victor 13 May 2013 15: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: fortuneophile
      Well, let Victor be marshals on the slogans "flies", the main thing is to know who to bite and who to lick

      You shouldn't reproach me for licking or biting. On this site I am one of the oldest participants, look at the registration, if I wanted to engage in idle talk, there would have been any shoulder straps for a long time. But I have enough of my own, real, honest and well-deserved major. And the place of residence is indicated - Ivanovo region. I devoted twenty years of my life to serving the country in the airborne troops, I have seen a lot during this time, including interethnic conflicts and human deaths. And everywhere there were always these same ordinary citizens who quietly kindled the fire of hatred between people, which as a result led to the fire of war. Yes, in what you are right, the power and world order in the country are far from perfect. But I have something to compare with. Only the dead or the gentlemen with "Bolotnaya" are not mistaken, and the "wise minnows" who seem to know everything, but "it is better to be a reader" are not mistaken. I personally am not in love with Putin and I have many complaints about him and his people, but who is better than him today? Maybe you deign to become president?
  • yak69
    yak69 13 May 2013 12: 21 New
    +5
    What is now obtained ?! From the article it follows that all citizens of the country should, no, simply have to sing a song of praise to those who today, having all the levers of power, having all the administrative capabilities, simply ruin our education, medicine, culture, agriculture, industrial potential ?! So what ?!
    Interesting movie! The embezzlers do not hesitate to divert billions of people's budget rubles, support mistresses at our expense and generally live as they want and wherever they want, and you and I must praise these "citizens" under the pretext that such indignation at the lawlessness in power is nothing more than betrayal of his country !! Well, the passage!
    And why should I consider today's power to be my own ?! I did not choose this president, I did not choose this prime minister and his ministers. It turns out, according to the logic of the article, if I criticize the authorities, then I am the enemy of my country? !!
    Well, there is no limit to indignation! This is what you need to eat, drink, get smoked, to talk like that here ?!
    And there are more and more of these on the site. It seems that the dismissed groundhogs opened a new project - to send their trolls to sites to protect the current brilliant rulers.

    And it is not necessary to confuse all those who disagree with the current leadership with the "swamp" and hang labels! I love my country no less than yours, and I did (and do!) A lot of useful things for the country - everything that was in my modest powers. And I can separate the grain from the chaff as well as yours.
    But blaming his fellow citizens who do not agree with the current bonzes for betrayal and sabotage is at least not polite!
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 13 May 2013 13: 12 New
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    Quote: fortuneophile
    Another method is to cobble together flocks like Johnny (with low voltage) and "taxi" them in order to support their own and trample unwanted ones ...

    Are you an adult, where are you broadcasting from? America’s voice or something? The Czech flag, then the Greek one. Ah, the operator is to blame for you .. if you’re not broadcasting from Russia, and even criticizing the president, how Putin influences you I do not understand?
    1. fortunophile
      fortunophile 13 May 2013 13: 37 New
      +3
      if I am a fan of the current government, as you put it, then whose power are you a fan of?

      You cannot be a fan, this is wrong, since fanatics do not a priori have their own opinion, because they are only conductors of ideas. In my opinion, you need to be a citizen of your homeland, work for it, support your family, raise children, that is, without "wars" and "exposing enemies" to fulfill your civic duty, and then everything in the country will be normal.
      Are you an adult, where are you broadcasting from? America’s voice or something? The Czech flag, then the Greek one. Ah, the operator is to blame for you .. if you’re not broadcasting from Russia, and even criticizing the president, how Putin influences you I do not understand?

      I work from under the program, I live and work in Moscow, just an employer and a sysadmin (capitalists in your opinion) think that they are the smartest, but "the Soviets have their own pride, we look down on the bourgeoisie ..." winked
      By the way, I do not criticize Putin, I am simply against his "iconization"
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 13 May 2013 14: 22 New
        -3
        Quote: fortuneophile
        I work from under the program, I live and work in Moscow, just the employer and the system administrator (in your opinion capitalists) think that the smartest

        it’s not surprising that from Moscow, there is all the criticism in the mainstream, because there is a creative class, the most intelligent ones have gathered. Where are we to the zamadysh who are grimy before you.
        1. fortunophile
          fortunophile 13 May 2013 14: 30 New
          +5
          Quote: djon3volta
          it’s not surprising that from Moscow, there is all the criticism in the mainstream, because there is a creative class, the most intelligent ones have gathered. Where are we to the zamadysh who are grimy before you.

          Do you have complexes? Have I touched you with something? What can I do if life turned out so that after leaving the aircraft I had to stay in Moscow, sell the apartment and leave?
          That is why, when you have no arguments for a dispute, you start to "press" with cliches: beloletochnik, Muscovites (fattening) and zamkadyshi (hard workers)? If you call yourself grimy, then this is just a matter of your personal hygiene, and I honestly do not care in what form you sit in front of the monitor ... You yourself carry out the division of the population (in particular, on Muscovites and Zamkadysh), drive a wedge into society. They steal both in Moscow and in a distant village, and order must be restored here and there. In the same way, there are enough normal people in Moscow and St. Petersburg and in Khabarovsk and in Nizhniye Vyselki and attacking an opponent on a territorial basis in my opinion is low and mean hi
          1. aleshka
            aleshka 13 May 2013 15: 06 New
            -1
            Only in the village they steal because there is nothing to eat, but in Moscow they distribute "food"!
            1. fortunophile
              fortunophile 13 May 2013 15: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Alesha
              and in Moscow, "food" is distributed!

              Well, yes, I regularly see some promotions, when the homeless people "distribute" food, but I myself earn money and my neighbors too, the myth that in Moscow everything is strewn with money, in fact, there are simply more opportunities for earning, and earnings also go to considerable later hi
              There is no need to make a split between the inhabitants of the country, this is precisely what the West is counting on, and therefore the "work" is underway in Chechnya, Tatarstan, Dagestan, Bashkiria. This is where the "collapse" of the country begins, remember how in the days of the USSR Ukraine "fed everyone" ... does it resemble anything? Maybe it won't be a second time to step on a rake?
            2. yak69
              yak69 13 May 2013 18: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Alesha
              and in Moscow, "food" is distributed!

              "Food" in Moscow (and not only in Moscow) is "distributed" by several thousand citizens, most of whom are heard and you are also familiar (from TV reports). And very many live on a pittance. I will give the level of salaries at my job: engineer - salary 5.200 (with all allowances - from 14.500 to 17.000 (depending on length of service in the Armed Forces), janitor - 3.100 (on hands from 9.500 to 11.000), head of the group - 7.200 (on hands from 20.000 to 22.000) Transport costs about 2.500, sq. - 6.000, food is 1.5-2 times more expensive than in the provinces.
              For those who live in the regions, Moscow is one solid "Rublyovka", and a millionaire living in Moscow! laughing
              This is not so, dear fellow citizens. Many of you have gardens, you grow your products. And they are much better than what they sell in Moscow stores: onions, carrots, garlic, cabbage - Israel, Spain, Turkey, France, Poland. As if fruits and vegetables do not grow in our country !!
              You just need to get out of the house in order to get to nature, and those living in Moscow must still sweat to touch Mother Nature.
              So, it is still necessary to see "Who lives well in Russia?" laughing
        2. rsnv
          rsnv 13 May 2013 18: 47 New
          +3
          John 3B, where will you be from? Sveta from Ivanovo?
      2. krokodil25
        krokodil25 13 May 2013 16: 48 New
        -1
        Quote: fortuneophile
        By the way, I do not criticize Putin, I am simply against his "iconization"

        And who canonized him, there is the concept of power given by the people so that the people gave power to V. Putin and it isn’t for you to take it away, I live in Ulan-Ude, but if I need to, I’ll come to Moscow and defend Putin’s vertical of power and I’m not the only one! Siberia is the pivot of Russia, God forbid, on the way to someone to doubt everyone! angry
        1. rsnv
          rsnv 13 May 2013 18: 51 New
          0
          Do not speak for all of Siberia.
          1. krokodil25
            krokodil25 13 May 2013 19: 43 New
            0
            Quote: rsnv
            Do not speak for all of Siberia.

            First, write where you live and then talk and maybe then I'll talk to you fool
        2. yak69
          yak69 13 May 2013 19: 15 New
          -2
          Quote: krokodil25
          Siberia is the pivot of Russia, God forbid, on the way to someone to doubt everyone!

          Not so long ago, here at the forum, one citizen from Siberia threatened everyone in the same way. "Looked" at all those who disagree through the scope. In my opinion, dear, to threaten your fellow citizens, with a different opinion from yours, is just bad form.
          Quote: krokodil25
          the power given by the people is so the people gave power to V. Putin and it’s not for you to take it away,

          Here you are very mistaken! Putin himself took this power, mainly, with the help of entrenched embezzlers. One wizard of churos is worth what!
          And for all of Siberia, you really should not say. Siberia did not authorize you to do this!
          hi
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 13 May 2013 19: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: yak69
            If you are already voicing such a serious accusation against opponents of the government, then give specific examples.
            Quote: yak69
            Putin himself took this power, mainly, with the help of entrenched embezzlers. One wizard of churos is worth what!

            Are these your specific facts? You even write off the mistake of the editors of a television program on a specific Churov.
            1. yak69
              yak69 13 May 2013 19: 41 New
              -1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Are these your specific facts?

              I set out the specific facts in a statement to the prosecutor. Thrice was a member of the PEC with a casting vote. Everything happened before my eyes. Therefore, I ask you, you do not need these unfounded statements. He himself participated in the counting of votes and then saw how these numbers miraculously turned into others (after processing in TECs). And not a single (!!!) prosecutor properly (in accordance with the Law!) Reacted to these outrages.
              And please stop broadcasting for ALL THESE REAL SIBERIANS! My friends live in Siberia, with my relatives. So, do not for all! Speak for yourself.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 13 May 2013 20: 11 New
                +2
                Quote: yak69
                And please stop broadcasting for ALL THESE REAL SIBERIANS! My friends live in Siberia, with my relatives. So, do not for all! Speak for yourself.

                It looks like you have mixed up the virtual with reality. I live 120 km from Moscow. See the profile at last.
                And if the prosecutor did not react to the statement, maybe he was bribed by the entire top, Do not forget to put a minus to me!
                1. yak69
                  yak69 13 May 2013 23: 09 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  I live 120 km from Moscow.

                  About Siberians, I wrote this not to you. Just in a hurry and grabbed everything in a heap. Excuse me generously!
                  If you have not encountered the prosecutors and the "good faith" of some, then you are a happy person. I'm not talking about all prosecutors, most of them are normal people, honestly doing their job, BUT. There are directions for which very "executive" are appointed - who will execute EVERYTHING that the big bosses order them. This is especially true for everything related to the electoral system and violations in it.
          2. krokodil25
            krokodil25 13 May 2013 19: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: yak69
            Here you are very mistaken! Putin himself took this power, mainly, with the help of entrenched embezzlers. One wizard of churos is worth what!
            And for all of Siberia, you really should not say. Siberia did not authorize you to do this!

            How and where did Vladimir Putin take power himself? And I spoke for real Siberians and not for imaginary branches!
          3. krokodil25
            krokodil25 13 May 2013 19: 37 New
            -2
            Quote: yak69
            Not so long ago, here at the forum, one citizen from Siberia threatened everyone in the same way. "Looked" at all those who disagree through the scope. In my opinion, dear, to threaten your fellow citizens, with a different opinion from yours, is just bad form.

            It’s not my fellow citizens who want a new revolution in Russia, and I will drink and eat blood and flesh, to tear those who disagree with their teeth, but I have the right to speak for Siberia and not deny it to you!
            1. yak69
              yak69 13 May 2013 19: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: krokodil25
              I will drink and eat blood and flesh, to tear those who disagree with my teeth, but for Siberia I have the right to speak and not to deny this to you!

              Aren't you a cannibal by chance? And then you have extreme desires!
              Dear, which bottle have you already emptied? laughing
              If your aggression is from alcohol, then you can understand - why not say drunk.
              And if you write all these words soberly, then I do not envy your family and friends.
          4. krokodil25
            krokodil25 13 May 2013 19: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: yak69
            Here you are very mistaken! Putin himself took this power, mainly, with the help of entrenched embezzlers. One wizard of churos is worth what!
            And for all of Siberia, you really should not say. Siberia did not authorize you to do this!

            You still sit in Moscow and dare to speak for Siberia minus you big and bold- negative
            1. yak69
              yak69 13 May 2013 19: 57 New
              0
              Quote: krokodil25
              minus you big and bold

              Alaverdy! laughing
              My little grandchildren are also angry and stomp their feet when I don’t give them mischief! laughing laughing
    2. krokodil25
      krokodil25 13 May 2013 14: 39 New
      -1
      Everything is correct with the ++++ article, the current opposition is scouring something to find, dig out and draw up a guilty verdict. The audience didn’t like the phrase. If it weren’t true then it’s another matter, but it’s true and there is nothing to be done about it!
  • Denis
    Denis 13 May 2013 06: 17 New
    +6
    And you have to give credit, they know how to put pressure on the sick on calluses
    The people got smarter. They don’t really listen to them, and they won’t press them so they will forget about them at all
    And grants need to be worked out
    1. UFO
      UFO 13 May 2013 06: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      And grants need to be worked out

      Grants are not only fulfilled by journalists, there are "figures" of higher rank and with a thicker wallet and with more power. "You will see them on business ..." hi
      1. Denis
        Denis 13 May 2013 06: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: UFO
        "You will see them on business ..."
        It’s visible. It would be nice to know how to grow wiser so that it’s not theirs, their affairs not to see them ...
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 13 May 2013 07: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      The people got smarter. They don’t really listen to them, and they won’t press them so they’ll forget about them at all

      On Tuesday (tomorrow) the Rossi TV channel will show the film "Swamp" in the "Special Correspondent" program (at 23:25). Yesterday there was an announcement. Would recommend to everyone not to miss it! There will be many interesting things, and especially an exclusive interview with Torgamadze. And many familiar faces ... Nothing is over, the struggle continues. Be carefull!
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 13 May 2013 10: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        the fight goes on.

        And it will go on for a very long time. Someone standing above Targamadze and paying for all his efforts to carry out "color revolutions" really wants to see the complete collapse of Russia and its subordination to the world gendarme and his petty mongrel. I also wanted to remind about the "Swamp", overslept. Means no luck laughing
      2. dmb
        dmb 13 May 2013 10: 33 New
        +3
        I wonder what does this show have to do with the article about the Minute of Silence? Why are you assimilating to a "police officer" who, wishing to justify the abomination of those in power, either speaks in slogans, or brings arguments that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Reception is not new. As it was rightly said, the phrase about the Stalinist camps appeared in the text of the minute at a time when the so-called oppositionists were at the helm. However, after the current "patriots" came to power, it continues to remain in this text. I would also like to remind you that it is the current ruling "patriots" who support Messrs. Svanidze, Pivovarov and Mlechin, who are actively throwing mud at the Winners, at our expense.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 13 May 2013 10: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: dmb
          That's interesting, but what does this program have to do with the article about A Minute of Silence?

          You are right, no! However, if you look carefully, this post is not the answer to the article, but the answer to the comment! We here seem to be a dialogue, rather than monologues of individual citizens on a given topic ...
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 May 2013 10: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: dmb
          silence? Why do you become like a "police officer" who, wanting to justify

          At ,, The officer, ”the work is like that.
          In general, you are right. The so-called patriots continue, the business of, humpbacked, bukh, the collapse of the (((ideological and moral)) country.
          Imposing in their controlled media a liberal ideology. And guilt is not known for that.
      3. mansur
        mansur 13 May 2013 12: 04 New
        +3
        The premiere of the film is expected on May 14 on Tuesday in the program of Arkady Mamontov "Special Correspondent"
        Quote: Atlon
        There will be many interesting and especially exclusive interviews with Torgamadze. And many familiar faces ...


        The film "Swamp" is another revelation from the Russia TV channel, telling in this case about the connections of opposition figures with Targamadze, who is wanted in the Russian Federation.

        Nemtsov, Ponomarev, Gozman and Ryzhkova caught the camera of journalists of the channel of Russia.
    3. djon3volta
      djon3volta 13 May 2013 07: 56 New
      -5
      Quote: Denis
      And grants need to be worked out

      most of them do this for free on the Internet. The users have already brainwashed specifically that they are already tearing down the tower. To stop it, you need to block information sources, but at the present time it’s not possible because people have become smarter as you say. The Internet will not be banned, so there’s nothing will not change. even if Stalin had risen, he would not have banned the Internet, since there would be a lot of people dissatisfied with such a decision, and if the TV broadcasting network changes dramatically, then there will be dissatisfied people will get used to these benefits, how will they find out everything, try to ban them , exactly revolution will happen laughing
      1. alexng
        alexng 13 May 2013 09: 33 New
        10
        Hello! It was not Stalin who lowered the iron curtain, but this curtain was imposed on that side. Oh, how Western shamelessness turns everything upside down. I was at the Victory Parade on May 9 in Sevastopol and during the passage of the veterans, everyone said from the bottom of their hearts "Thank you!", And when the group began to pass under the Ukrainian flag, they switched to scanning "Russia! Russia! ...".
        But here's an amazing thing, when I was returning back to Russia, there were people on the train with white balloons from belolentochnikov (they had a collection in the Crimea), who for some reason turned out to be residents of Ukraine, i.e. On May 6, most of the guest workers were at Bolotnaya. And no one can convince me that they are doing it for free, but this is already "Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting." When one of these beggars asked the question: "What wrong has Russia done to you, that you are shitting when you come to our country." To which I heard the answer: "But you have a dictatorship in Russia and there is no democracy."
        Therefore, I appeal to the forum users: Do not fall for this abomination. Do not be cheap.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 13 May 2013 09: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: alexneg
          "And you have a dictatorship in Russia and no democracy."

          I would argue about the dictatorship, but about democracy * ... That's right. There is no "democracy" * in Russia, but there is nuclear weapons, and therefore it is very problematic to bring "democracy" * to Russia ...
          ___________________________
          * "Democracy" - unconditional submission to the United States, lack of independent policy, desovereignty.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 13 May 2013 11: 03 New
            +4
            By the way, 'British scientists conducted a series of experiments and came to the conclusion that the lack of reliable air defense in the country inevitably leads to democracy.'
            Unfortunately, the most dangerous weapon is information and not nuclear weapons. And therefore - "You have to think with your head, not the TV."
  • Canep
    Canep 13 May 2013 06: 22 New
    +8
    Quote: Denis
    The people wiser.

    I don’t think so. Remember the story with MMM 2011.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 13 May 2013 06: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      I do not think.

      Absolutely agree! Quite the opposite!
    2. Denis
      Denis 13 May 2013 06: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Canep
      I don’t think so. The story with MMM 2011 remember
      I didn’t say that he became absolutely smart. An example is fresh-TV. Once such a r ... show, then someone else is watching it
  • Humpty
    Humpty 13 May 2013 06: 27 New
    +9
    It has long been established before Christian holidays to throw in the media any dirty tricks about faith in order to ruin the mood of believers. Before May 9, the dirt in the media is again intensifying.
    Customers must assume the same. No need to submit them. And so it is clear who it is.
  • 123tank
    123tank 13 May 2013 06: 39 New
    +5
    As for the parade broadcasts, everything was on top. Spiteful critics just need to shut their throats and drive them out of the country forever.
  • Georges14
    Georges14 13 May 2013 06: 43 New
    19
    I wonder what the author thinks about the phrase itself: "You, who lost your family and friends in the Stalinist camps, brought freedom to the prisoners of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau ..." ?
    And also about Goblin's comment: "Just for the record: Buchenwald and Dachau were freed by the Americans. How many were in Stalin's camps - at least try to take an interest, for development. To draw parallels between Stalin and Hitler can only be a frostbitten scum that hates Russia and the Russians.
    Morons - neither steal nor guard. "
    ? Puchkov is also a worker of the Western propaganda?
    And yet - is the author really never ashamed of those who lead Russia?
    1. Fox
      Fox 13 May 2013 07: 22 New
      +6
      he said everything correctly ... it’s for those who believe Solzhenitsyn, Rezun, Latin, Izu.
    2. esaul
      13 May 2013 07: 49 New
      0
      Good afternoon, colleagues hi I assumed that the reaction to this article cannot be unambiguous and, as I see, I was not mistaken. There is only half an hour and I will answer two of today's comments.
      Quote: Georges14
      "You, who lost your family and friends in the Stalinist camps, brought freedom to the prisoners of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau ..."?

      It is difficult to hide that in Stalin's camps were not only prisoners, as some would like to present. There, in due time, the deadlines were cut off and many prominent military leaders, who then, being returned to the troops, did a lot for our Victory. And very many Soviet scientists who laid the foundation of Soviet science, the same Korolev. Yes, there were a lot of them ... And this is their huge, often difficult to explain, generosity and a manifestation of their love for the Motherland. And it is clear that the relatives of many political prisoners did not escape their bitter lot - a fact. So this phrase has a basis, but the provocative statistics about 27 million who went through the war and, accordingly, have 27 million prisoners behind them - this is a crude manipulation, served under the angry "sauce" of an offended patriot.
      Quote: Georges14
      And yet - is the author really never ashamed of those who lead Russia?

      Why not? Or are you all who, with thoughtful understanding, are trying to evaluate the efforts of the current leadership to strengthen the power of Russia, instead of often labeling indiscriminately, mistaking woodpeckers? It happens ... You will probably be surprised, but only those who do nothing will not stumble. And - most importantly - to see their mistakes in time and do everything to correct them. What today's leadership does.
      1. Georges14
        Georges14 13 May 2013 08: 41 New
        +5
        Thanks for the answer. Let me also comment.
        Quote: esaul
        And it is clear that the relatives of many political prisoners did not pass a bitter share - a fact. So this phrase has a basis

        The phrase has a reason. But its use in this context is inappropriate. Otherwise, we should mention the native participants of the Second World War, who died of hunger in the early 30s, repressed after the war, etc. And it would be nice to mention about the participants in the war who suffered in recent times from the regime. There are also reasons.

        Quote: esaul

        Why not? Or are you all who, with thoughtful understanding, are trying to evaluate the efforts of the current leadership to strengthen the power of Russia, instead of often labeling indiscriminately, mistaking woodpeckers? It happens ... You will probably be surprised, but only those who do nothing will not stumble. And - most importantly - to see their mistakes in time and do everything to correct them. What today's leadership does.

        Firstly, I do not consider anyone and did not call woodpeckers.
        Secondly, it is really a shame for the actions of the Russian leadership. To me, at least (Libya, the form of receiving parades in some years, the last "Direct Line", tolerance for media outrage, etc.). Not to mention more distant times.
        Thirdly, "the leadership of Russia" is a very heterogeneous concept; it is obvious that very ambiguous figures are present there. And the indiscriminate approval of this guide sounds very ambiguous.
        1. alexng
          alexng 13 May 2013 13: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Georges14
          starved in the early 30s,

          And you answer yourself, and how many people were missing in the same years in the United States. You will be surprised - 17 million people. (US Census). So there was hunger all over the world and to blame only Russia for the blame for hunger - the usual unscrupulous villainy. Yes, there were miscalculations, but it is not always necessary to play with one goal. And before issuing numbers, it is necessary to check cross-sources in several sources, and not for the sake of only their own errors and make someone a scapegoat, taking the garbage of someone else's mind on faith. It may be enough to fight with monuments or politicians and people who are no longer alive - this is a sign of hidden necrophilia.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 13 May 2013 08: 43 New
        10
        Quote: esaul
        You will probably be surprised, but only those who do nothing will not stumble

        Valera, doesn’t it seem to you that our leadership is only doing what stumbles?
        After all, whatever sphere of activity everywhere the reforms carried out by the authorities cause discontent and bewilderment of the vast majority of the country's population.
        Quote: esaul
        You, who have lost loved ones in the Stalinist camps

        Quote: esaul
        this phrase has a foundation,

        Answer a simple question: why is this phrase needed at all? For what?
        1. esaul
          14 May 2013 05: 39 New
          0
          Quote: baltika-18
          Answer a simple question: why is this phrase needed at all? For what?

          Nicholas hi But in general, why did the author in the days of Victory Day celebrations start all these showdowns on TV? It seems to me that this is quite indicative, like the desire to bring down the glow of enthusiasm for all people celebrating this day.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 14 May 2013 09: 36 New
            0
            Quote: esaul
            the desire to bring down the glow of delight in all people celebrating this day.

            Valera, it didn’t affect me. I don’t watch TV, the parade is all.
            A lot of work and a garden in addition, 20 acres need to be processed.
      3. kris
        kris 13 May 2013 09: 09 New
        +9
        As for the parade, I’m really ashamed when the commander-in-chief cannot speak without a piece of paper, in which he looks every three words.
        Is it really possible at least on such a day to speak out from the heart?
        And look at the faces of the top in the parade.
        It was not a joy for them, but a favor, as if they had condescended to the people in a noble manner.
        Despite the difference of opinion on other issues, for most members of the forum this holiday goes through the soul and they could have said an order of magnitude better, and most importantly, sincere Putin.
        Just look at the faces of VETERANS and Putiners.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 13 May 2013 09: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: kris
          Just look at the faces of VETERANS and Putiners.

          now digital cameras take hundreds of dozens of shots per second. then these photos go to the Internet, they make demotevators and ascribe inscriptions, like - PUTIN KILLS OVER VETERANS. and then such demotevators spread all sorts of Smirnovs and Optimists. in tyrnet.
          1. Nvalexandr
            Nvalexandr 14 May 2013 06: 02 New
            -1
            good good good You said correctly. Information war campaign ...
    3. philippov
      philippov 13 May 2013 08: 11 New
      +8
      Quote: Georges14
      "Just for reference: Buchenwald and Dachau were liberated by the Americans.

      If there weren’t the victories of the Red Army, then the Americans would hardly have freed at least one camp, and to be precise, the prisoners themselves freed Buchenwald, raising a rebellion and breaking the guard.
    4. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 13 May 2013 08: 53 New
      12
      "You, who lost your family and friends in the Stalinist camps, brought freedom to the prisoners of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau ..."

      Personally, I was overwhelmed by this phrase, I did not expect to hear it live on Russia 24. I liked the parade, everything is fine, but the "sediment" remained ...
    5. andrejwz
      andrejwz 13 May 2013 08: 59 New
      10
      [quote = Georges14] I wonder what the author thinks about the phrase itself: "You, who lost your family and friends in the Stalinist camps, brought freedom to the prisoners of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau ..." ?
      Thank. Comment, first, on the topic of the article.
      And, which is typical, in the article itself, the author expressed dissatisfaction with the article in which the phrase quoted in the quoted comment was key and it was it that caused outrage among the members of the forum.
      Dear Esaul, it is you who do not separate flies from cutlets and drag in here the work of television people in general, pulling in to the phrase about the number of people deprived of their liberty today Khodorkovsky, which gives a completely different coloring and direction, distorting the thought criticized by you. It is in your article that you reckon that someone will not remember the article being criticized, but someone has not read it at all.
      It is you who count on what you call:
      [quote] hasty and, I dare say, a somewhat template reaction of many members of the forum [/ quote]
      For me personally, in a speech before a moment of silence, it was this phrase quoted above that hit my ears and caused a feeling of dissonance with my inappropriateness at that moment. His Jesuit perversity. Very different, unprintable, words are asked for the language.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 13 May 2013 07: 10 New
    +6
    It seems that the author of this "opinion" simply "did not taste". He latched on to one phrase, although the phrase is really difficult and looks quite in line with the current policy in relation to history, which can be expressed briefly: “Under Stalin, everyone sat in camps, one people defeated the Nazis without the leadership of the Communist Party and, naturally, Stalin, They won by throwing their Asian corpses into the advanced, civilized, European army; they won mainly by penalty boxers, who were driven to machine guns by barrage detachments, etc., etc. " Well, as for the shame for the leadership of Russia .... I unfortunately did not have the opportunity to watch the Parade on Red Square on this May 9 and did not see the rulers of Russia at that moment, and I wonder how they met this parade while standing, as I did Is it Stalin and the members of the Politburo before or sitting, as the modern leadership of Russia has always done?
    1. Georges14
      Georges14 13 May 2013 07: 31 New
      +4
      When the boxes were on, the Commander-in-Chief was standing; when the equipment was on, he was sitting.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 13 May 2013 07: 38 New
        +6
        Thanks. So we chose a compromise option. But, after all, when there is equipment, then, after all, from the hatch of, for example, tanks, crew members look out and according to all the rules, those who have a military rank and receive a parade must "salute them", but how to do it while sitting?
        1. esaul
          13 May 2013 08: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          by all the rules


          Are you familiar with these "rules" or are you just blowing a "tune"? In general, the Army is guided not by "rules", but by the Charter.
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          must "salute them"

          And here, how do you imagine saluting being in civilian "outfit"? Put your hand to the "empty" head or will you stand at attention, keeping the alignment?
          And how, in this case, will we evaluate the fact that the MV is sitting in the tank in the presence of the Supreme Command? wink
    2. esaul
      13 May 2013 07: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It seems that the author of this "opinion" simply "did not taste".

      And you know that I did not smoke and do not smoke, unlike you. It looks like you don’t write at all without not kicking a jamb wink
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      .... I unfortunately did not have the opportunity to watch the Parade on Red Square on this 9 of May and did not see the rulers of Russia at that moment, and I wonder how they met this parade while standing,

      Colleague! Then what is the "bazaar" about? hi
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 13 May 2013 08: 06 New
        +5
        Forgive my colleague, but you seem a little out of your mind.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 May 2013 10: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          grow up a colleague, but you seem a little crazy.

          You can’t even imagine how YOU are right. When this is an activist on the site.
          .
          Quote: esaul
          Disgusting. Disgusting. Ugly

          True to 100%. I want to wash my hands.
          All veterans of the Second World War with the past great day, Victory over fascism.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 13 May 2013 07: 20 New
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    Yes, at least the author introduced "integrity" among the members of the forum with this article!
    1. esaul
      13 May 2013 07: 55 New
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      Quote: avant-garde
      Yes, at least the author introduced "integrity" among the members of the forum with this article!

      If you paid attention to the rating of the mentioned article, then "integrity" manifested itself even then. hi
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 13 May 2013 07: 36 New
    +1
    who watched the NEWS OF THE WEEK yesterday? Well, who saw who went to Torgamadze in Lithuania on May holidays? laughing Nemtsov, Ryzhkov, Ponamarev, Gozman. Guys, do you really believe that if these devils come to power, the country takes a sigh and is not satisfied with the current government, they will immediately be satisfied?
    or some people like to say that the price of oil will fall, and then the current regime will collapse, or somewhere something tragic will happen, the authorities begin to blame it. Well, imagine the president of your beloved Kvachkov or Zyuganov - what will Zyuganov or Kvachkov do if the price of oil collapses? laughing or, for example, under Kvachkov or Zyuganov, the forests will stop burning? Household gas will stop exploding? Maybe under Zyuganov, bread will become free, and under Kvachkov, the mortgage will become 1%? I still don’t understand what kind of freedom some demand and want? Why are those who are free to yell FREEDOM, and those who actually sit in the zone do not demand it? Explain to me how the President of Moldova, with a rating of 0.6%, holds power ??? Can anyone explain to me ??? What are these dissatisfied people who are not always happy with? Is it not clear that they are in power is needed, is it really so difficult to understand what they want to "steer" to steer and grab!
    I have one acquaintance, as he told me that he was not satisfied with the authorities and Putin, at first I thought what he lacked? a businessman, there are millions, is it really hard for him to live, I thought .. but it turned out that’s what it was in 2011 dabbled from the Liberal Democratic Party to the local diplomats but EdRo naturally crushed them laughing here it turns out what is not his contentment! not that EdRo crushed, but that he was not allowed to powerAfter all, he has everything, people don’t need anything, but just when they need to save money, they want POWER, rule over people, manage them, dispose of lands and ifostructure. Here, those who are dissatisfied are not satisfied, first of all, that they will not allow them to take power.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 13 May 2013 08: 13 New
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      Quote: djon3volta
      . you guys really believe if these devils come to power,

      John, in my opinion only you believe in this tale.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 13 May 2013 09: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Karabin
        John, in my opinion only you believe in this tale.

        Yes, a fairy tale does not have to be believed. You just need to prevent the fairy tale from becoming a reality (without your consent). And it is easy. There have been plenty of examples lately. And most importantly - no one really believed that such a thing is possible (like a fairy tale). Libya is the most telling example. They lived like in Allah’s bosom, but right now, for now, they’ll get out of shit - more than one generation will cry.
      2. rsnv
        rsnv 13 May 2013 12: 18 New
        +3
        John does not believe in fairy tales; he works for Edro
    2. Normal
      Normal 13 May 2013 08: 21 New
      +9
      Quote: djon3volta
      Nemtsov, Ryzhkov, Ponamaryov, Gozman. Guys, do you really believe if these devils come to power

      John. Where, at what opposition rally did you see posters with the inscription: "Nemtsov and Navalny for the presidency!" or "Ryzhkov and Gozman to Power!" ???
      The demands of the opposition and people who just went out were completely different. Do not do demagogy, not yours ....
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 13 May 2013 08: 38 New
        -4
        Quote: Normal
        The demands of the opposition and people who just went out were completely different.

        remind which laughing down with power, freedom for political prisoners, we demand re-elections. I was especially enraged by Lazarev, who almost yelled at FREEDOM FOR FREEDOM laughing Do you want to see her in the diplomats or as the Minister of Education? laughing what will she become if she falls into power? and why did this old nag forget at the rally (artist, forgot her last name) what she needs, tell me what she needs, what is missing, what is she not happy with, her pension is small or freezes in winter ?
      2. arnulla
        arnulla 13 May 2013 14: 42 New
        -3
        Quote: Normal
        Quote: djon3volta
        Nemtsov, Ryzhkov, Ponamaryov, Gozman. Guys, do you really believe if these devils come to power

        John. Where, at what opposition rally did you see posters with the inscription: "Nemtsov and Navalny for the presidency!" or "Ryzhkov and Gozman to Power!" ???
        The demands of the opposition and people who just went out were completely different. Do not do demagogy, not yours ....

        And what are the requirements for the swamp position? I would like to know
        1. Denis
          Denis 13 May 2013 18: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: arnulla
          And what are the requirements for the swamp position? I would like to know
          Nobody has managed to talk to them yet.
          Description and portrait of the main staff
          Howler monkeys (lat. Aloautta) are a genus of broad-nosed monkeys of the arachnid family (Atelidae) Howler monkeys have well-developed throat sacs that play the role of resonators "I often heard the terrible roar of these animals coming from the dense forest at sunrise and sunset. However, it took a long time to track them down. Finally, one morning, after a long search, I stumbled upon a whole society, them. It sat on a high tree and gave such a terrible concert that from afar it seemed as if all the forest animals had entered into mortal combat: the sounds were like that grunt of a pig, either the roar of a jaguar rushing at its prey, or the terrible growl of this predator when it senses its enemies.However, this terrible society was able to bring a smile to the gloomiest hypochondriac if he saw the serious expression with which the bearded songbirds looked at each other. I was told that each herd has its own lead singer, which differs from the whole choir, consisting of only basses, in its high, shrill voice
          Can you talk?
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 13 May 2013 09: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: djon3volta
      I watched NEWS OF THE WEEK yesterday? Well, who saw who went to Torgamadze in Lithuania on May holidays?

      Listen-ah-ah! I watched at night. Is a song! Excuses are sculpted - just for children. I feel without intelligence here it could not do. But they caught them all cool! Interesting: right now, how will they get out?
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 13 May 2013 09: 39 New
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        Quote: retired
        Interesting: right now, how will they get out?

        as with McFaul, they will say - "they came to drink tea, you are Surkov's propaganda." Under Stalin, such an excuse would not have worked 100% laughing
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 13 May 2013 10: 16 New
          +3
          Quote: djon3volta
          as with McFaul, they will say - "they came to drink tea, you are Surkov's propaganda."

          Like everyone, at the same time, without saying a word, an irresistible desire was suddenly born
          to drink tea (not coffee, not cocoa, not mate, not mead ..) and it is in Vilnius. Hm. In other words, they consider everyone to be idiots. Well, thank God we have people with powers that can explain to them that not everything. But Torgomadze can safely order a magnificent funeral. Somehow overdue in Georgia somehow do not live long.
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 13 May 2013 11: 09 New
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            Quote: retired
            But Torgomadze can safely order a magnificent funeral

            and as for Torgamadze - after all, he paid and pays for these banquets, but the question is,who pays him to pay, because he doesn’t pay all these dances from his own pocket. But most likely it’s the money of American taxpayers, or European, one of two. Well, not Chinese or Iranians, not Venezuelans, Madagascans, I sponsor color revolutions around the world, well, we’re all we already know who the main sponsors are, what is the point of denying it.
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 May 2013 13: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: djon3volta
      Well, who saw who went to Torgamadze in Lithuania during the May holidays? Nemtsov, Ryzhkov, Ponamaryov, Gozman.

      Zhenya, why are you remembering almost every topic of these short stories?
      Are you advertising that you would not forget?
      1. alexng
        alexng 13 May 2013 16: 05 New
        -1
        Quote: baltika-18
        Quote: djon3volta
        Well, who saw who went to Torgamadze in Lithuania during the May holidays? Nemtsov, Ryzhkov, Ponamaryov, Gozman.

        Zhenya, why are you remembering almost every topic of these short stories?
        Are you advertising that you would not forget?


        Most likely he trample them in the mud and then drowns in their own shit. negative
        1. alexng
          alexng 14 May 2013 00: 36 New
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          ABOUT! The swamp arm is immediately visible - minusanula without comment. A swamp frog and in Africa a swamp frog, they only know how to croak and quietly croak.
          1. Denis
            Denis 14 May 2013 00: 56 New
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            Quote: alexneg
            know how to croak and quietly croak
            On the quiet, they’re not always
            About that, see here my comment, it is a little higher
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 13 May 2013 07: 38 New
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    An information war is being waged against Russia in the press, media and the Internet in the following areas:
    1. To distort history, to incite former Soviet republics, partners in the CMEA and ATS, allies of the USSR, and achieve its international isolation against Russia. In this, the Kremlin is actively helping the enemies of Russia by de-Stalinizing and pushing the anti-Soviet works of solzhenitsers, rezuns, Mikhalkovs, Atanesians, Kunins and other reptiles into the mass press and on screens.
    2. To play off the peoples and religious confessions of Russia and dismember it into unviable small pseudo-states incapable of producing weapons, maintaining armies and developing the economy. The ROC, Islamists, nationalists, Memorial, national intelligentsia, "human rights activists", liberals and other undead, non-human and non-working people are actively involved in this.
    3. Destroy the moral foundations of the Russian people, destroy the family, as the basis of society, unlimitedly increase the number of pederasts, lesbians and other moral and physical freaks.
    4. To spread drug addiction, drunkenness, alcoholism, smoking by advertising them in the press, media, etc. What the directors of all sorts of series are actively doing.
    5. Pit the people of Russia on the government and sow chaos and violations of the law everywhere. Rulers, from a near mind, do a lot for this themselves, allowing corruption, embezzlement, red tape, theft and impunity of criminal officials and organizing anti-Soviet and anti-Stalinist actions at the state official level.
  • Krsk
    Krsk 13 May 2013 07: 51 New
    +8
    I read that article ... Complete nonsense. As the saying goes "out of the finger" ... but they sucked hard so that at least something was sucked.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 13 May 2013 11: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: KrSk
      ... Complete nonsense. As the saying goes "out of the finger"

      I completely agree with you. Imagine what is going on in the head of the author who wrote this. Bullshit is still put it mildly.
      Quote: KrSk
      they don’t get strong enough to suck at least something.

      Well said: ARTICLE-complete suction ..
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 May 2013 08: 05 New
    +2
    The article was custom. Who is behind her is clear even to the child.
    And when will that "Swamp" dry up?
    And then throw peat into the oven and forget.
  • Normal
    Normal 13 May 2013 08: 13 New
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    a relentless war is being waged against Russian sovereignty, and we are all at its forefront

    esaul, as always ahead, on a dashing horse! True, for some reason, it’s more and more enemies being cut, but its compatriots, it painfully dislikes it when someone has their own opinion that does not coincide with the opinion of esaula. So it turns out that the author is not fighting at the forefront, but is eradicating sedition in his rear. Well, all right ... As you know, it’s more reliable in the rear ... But you just have to be able to wave your saber even in the rear. What it is?:
    my fellow countryman for whom liberal ideology feeds his worldview,
    "Great is the mighty Russian language!"

    Also, the author was outraged by this phrase: "I am ashamed of those who lead Russia." And you, esaul? not ashamed when the commander in chief takes the parade while sitting? This year, at least part of the parade was taken while standing and veterans were seated, and in the past, veterans stood and our leaders sat down lounging, like at a pop concert. Only general outrage at such an attitude towards veterans and troops participating in the parade made the president stand at least part of the parade. It is the criticism of the actions of the authorities that makes this very government even pay a little attention to public opinion, although not significantly, but change. And yours, esaul, comments only please power and have no useful function.
    1. esaul
      13 May 2013 08: 35 New
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      Normal (1)
      Salute, Vladimir hi
      Quote: Normal
      "Great is the mighty Russian language!"

      Remark accepted, colleague. The problem is that I have a maximum of an hour and a half to write. Therefore, it will not be enough time for a detailed correction of the text. I write mainly only on a topic that has caught on and, while my thoughts are in a heap, I hasten to express them. So do not blame me, dear. In the internet, not such turns are also found among very venerable authors. Thank you for your competent and correct comments. Everything is fine.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 13 May 2013 08: 16 New
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    And who said that asking the official media is not an information war? underway, and what a! It is advantageous for our opponents that the official media do not believe. so it is easier for people to hammer into their heads the negative that is pouring on our country. If someone claims that he is not looking "zomboyaschik", it is safe to say that he is a liar. Everyone is watching it, absolutely. Not everyone knows how to analyze. There are not so many outright lies in the official media. Rather, understatement.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 13 May 2013 08: 47 New
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      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      If someone claims that he is not watching a "zombie", it is safe to say that he is a liar. Everyone is watching it, absolutely.

      they think that only the Internet is true, they are 100% sure that they are lying on the first channel, and on the LOGE channel they are cutting the truth))) they are sure that they are a zombie creature, not a zombie internet. The Internet is even more zombie than a TV.
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 13 May 2013 08: 46 New
    +8
    I want to bring all TWO excerpts from the context, which will indicate my state to everything that happens:
    1. "Here, take our political officer and blur it out:" Your Dudayev is __fagot__! " They answered him very calmly, they say, yours too. Here we had nothing to argue, and we decided to live for a couple of days without shooting. "...
    It was under Nemtsov, Ryzhkov, Ponamaryov, Gozman and the like, sitting at that time or close to power - a place for them in the garbage can of HISTORY and to hell with them to an nth place and not power ... it remains to throw them like that, because they as worms are still immeasurably in MY COUNTRY and it doesn’t work out to let us in the second round - break off am
    2. "Separatism must be severely suppressed, without this no power can exist, especially such a" patchwork "as ours."
    There is nothing to add to the second statement, for it is a continuation of the first.
    I have a lot of things that I don’t like from the stream that revolves inside and outside around MY country, but I am aware that there is little that can be done with the mind quickly and at times. For really visible positive progress, time is needed and often this period of time can be very long unfortunately - worms have already divorced a lot. Well, with a crooked word, crooked deeds can be riveted like horse apples easily and naturally, and we see such figures by their deeds (rocker in their drawbar).
    I’m for patriotism, but I don’t accept patriotism in the heat, I’m happy to talk with a developed opponent from the opposite camp, because I, as a normal brow, need diverse infa for my development, but I will draw conclusions for myself and for my beloved, and never I didn’t bother about the question: they’re pushing me for the zombie, net, in the press ... - I myself will sift out from these flows what I need and what - in the furnace.
    There is already a tendency on the site when both too active patriots and obviously those who "do not play in unison with us" are driven into the minus and they are molded into gray shoulder straps ... it turns out very interestinglaughing
    And this article inspired me to scribble this article: http://warfiles.ru/show-30761-voyuy-student-vospominaniya-o-pervoy-chechenskoy.h

    tml - for me, these are the people who correct the mistakes of leading mediocre talkers and my great respect for them soldier
    Read at your leisure, we can click in the head of a certain audience.
    Yours faithfully, although sometimes it’s burning to plunge into the 90s to solve pressing issues ... don’t bring tollderasts and their friends to sin and let's live together drinks
  • Karabin
    Karabin 13 May 2013 09: 01 New
    +9
    In conclusion, I will return once again to the words from the article that prompted me to reply with this article “I am ashamed of those who lead Russia”.
    The motivation is significant. The Holy See is affected. And this Esaul cannot leave without attention. And away we go: "in the best traditions of Western agitprop", "at the beck of a magician from over some Ocean." Aren't there too many agents of the State Department already disclosed by the Esaul? However, nothing surprising
    I ask you, dear friends, not to forget that a relentless war is being waged against Russian sovereignty, and we are all at its forefront.
    Normal is right, Yesaul in the rear. Mehlis of our days.
    And how provocatively concluded that, "means there was no victory?"
    But cheating, pulling words out of context, is not good.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 13 May 2013 09: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Karabin
      And how provocatively concluded that, "means there was no victory?"
      But cheating, pulling words out of context, is not good.

      Yes there. I agree. I also digested for a long time. Not digested ... Or not given?
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 13 May 2013 09: 09 New
    +4
    Personally, my opinion is that in our country they will always be dissatisfied with the authorities, because even if we begin to live better than now, everyone will get used to it and say that we live badly and no one will look back how he lived. Look, the authorities are not happy even with those who have it (they are simply silent), after the adoption of the law that all deputies are obliged to submit income declarations not only for themselves and for all their relatives, the people even began to hand over their mandates, began to "crumble" family, you see how many divorces were in the State Duma !!!! It was forbidden to ride with flashing lights so at once parades began to interfere with everyone, and the fact that people without them in Moscow and not only stood in traffic jams did not bother anyone before. As they say, I'm not happy with the power, I want ice cream!
  • Karabin
    Karabin 13 May 2013 09: 29 New
    +5
    At the moment, Karnavsky's article is 77 + 313
    Yesaul Article -12 +30
    Citizens who expressed + approval of both articles, you somehow decide. Do not be like weathercocks.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 13 May 2013 09: 56 New
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      Quote: Karabin
      Citizens who expressed + approval of both articles, you somehow decide. Do not be like weathercocks.

      Refrain, I hope you can ...
  • Phoenix s
    Phoenix s 13 May 2013 09: 49 New
    -1
    Sometimes it's hard to make the right choice ...
  • andrre122
    andrre122 13 May 2013 09: 49 New
    +1
    "What kind of" seedlings "of today is the author lamenting?"
    Kvachkov, Khabarov.
  • andrre122
    andrre122 13 May 2013 09: 54 New
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    And what does this author want to say.
    Base little article about anything.
    Slurred stream of consciousness.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 13 May 2013 10: 57 New
    +6
    Dear ESAUL, I cannot but answer in essence. To accuse me, and not the authors and announcers of the Minute of Silence, of "New Liberalism" is the height of either misunderstanding of my thought, or deliberate misleading of everyone. Let me explain again for those who did not understand: the text of the Minute of Silence, especially in the light of the mention of the "Stalinist camps" (see statistics), was written by these "New Liberals".

    And for the power offensively. H. Soulful, in your opinion "numerous attempts to humiliate people's sense of pride in their country and instill in them a sense of hopelessness and faith" THIS IS MY ARTICLE, and an outright lie in a Minute of Silence (!!!) that everyone who fought in the Great Patriotic War had relatives and friends in the "Stalinist camps" is this a struggle for Russia?

    I feel sorry for you ... Indeed, in the text of the Minute of Silence there is an appeal to the SOLDIER, and it means not only those who fought, but everyone who fought and worked for the Victory. Just the authors of the text Minutes of silence are fighting against Russia.

    "The author is very Jesuitical, sophisticated, in the best traditions of Western agitprop, he decided to spoil the blessed air of exultation, making it clear," Guys, don't get too arrogant! ", And he did it well." Funny sir. And where does the parade, and the reports from it? The very mention of the "Stalinist camps" serves as a reminder that TV is still in the hands of Fedotov, Mlechin, Svanidze and others. So learn to think logically.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 13 May 2013 11: 55 New
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    Do people really not understand that the Great Victory is one for everyone and that it should not have anything to do with politics. What kind of "fuss" around the victory, are you completely crazy? They use everything to achieve political goals! This makes no sense! Leave this bright holiday alone! And these articles are complete nonsense! The literalists are stupid! There are pedestals that you can only look at, admire, grieve, be proud of and never touch with your hands!
  • Cynic
    Cynic 13 May 2013 15: 04 New
    +3
    It's nice when they take care of you, explain, explain and how not to obliterate the article here!
    Eternal _ He who is not with us is against us.
    The author of this information development very skillfully replaced the subject of discussion and everyone who cares what we broadcast on holidays turned out to be detractors of the Great Victory!
    Yes, they still convicted the media of elementary historical illiteracy!
    Atu their Atu!
    Overall
  • btsypulin
    btsypulin 14 May 2013 12: 45 New
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    No comment, one blogger's article today about the Parade: http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=137378