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Yevgeny Pozhidaev: there is no Iranian threat - there is a threat to Iran

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Yevgeny Pozhidaev: there is no Iranian threat - there is a threat to IranIsrael launches air strikes on the territory of the allied Iran Syria. Tehran threatens Tel Aviv with a “crushing blow.” So, why does the situation around Iran and in its zone of interests remain constantly tense? According to the widespread view, Iran is a "wild backward country" headed by gloomy fanatics and threatening the civilized world from irrational considerations. Let's see what the facts look like.


The Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) has the second largest GDP in Western Asia after Turkey, slightly yielding to it. Iranian GDP at purchasing power parity is $ 999 billion, which is about 2,5 times less than Russia, noticeably more than Poland and almost three times more than Ukraine. GDP per capita is approximately equal to Turkish and, for example, Kazakh and more than that of the poor countries of Eastern Europe, such as Bulgaria and Romania.

At the same time, the Iranian economy is not only oil. In steel production, Iran is second only to Turkey in the region, while local metallurgy is growing rapidly. Thus, from 2005 to 2010 a year, steel production in the country doubled, increasing from 10 to 20 million tons per year.

The Iranian auto industry, which is the second most important branch of the national economy after the oil and gas sector, is quite impressive - for example, 2011 thousand vehicles were produced in the country in 848. This is more than double that in Italy, and significantly more than in Turkey (576 thousand). Iranian cars were quite actively exported, including in the Russian market. However, in the 2012-m industry experienced a crisis and a sharp decline in production.

The Iranian civil aviation industry independently produces and develops light aircraft and is capable of producing up to 13 "full-fledged" cargo aircraft (licensed An-140). The military man provides the repair of the aircraft in service and produces his own fighter jets and unmanned aerial vehicles. So far, its capabilities are limited by cloning old American technology: the Azarakhsh ("Lightning") and Saeqeh ("Thunder") fighters are a copy and a modified copy of the American F-5 "Tiger", which began production in 1959. The Qaher-313 shown this year, which is an attempt to create a modern stealth fighter, so far, apparently, despite loud statements by the Iranian authorities, has not left the layout stage. Nevertheless, by the standards of a developing country, this is an outstanding achievement - for example, Turkey plans to begin producing its own aircraft only in the 2020.

Iranian shipbuilding is sufficiently developed to clone Soviet diesel submarines of the Kilo class and build its own small warships (the Iranians designate their class as a destroyer, but in reality this title was awarded to the "floating craft" with a displacement of only 1420 tons - less than the total American "Arly Burke"). Turkey, by comparison, is capable of building warships of the same class.

In other words, the economic potential of Iran is quite sufficient to qualify for regional leadership. At the same time, the country has good prerequisites for its further growth.

The industry of Iran is based on a very serious raw material base. In addition to oil and gas, Iran has deposits of coal, iron, manganese, titanium, copper and chrome ores. Nuclear power and nuclear programs of the country are guaranteed against surprises by its own uranium reserves.

Another Iranian asset is a fairly “advanced” population. The “mired in obscurantism” Iranian authorities in fact actively invested in science and education. Literacy of the population is close to 100%, 1,3 million students enroll in local universities annually. Research is growing faster than any other major country, including China. From 2001-th to 2010-th number of publications in world scientific journals increased from 2000 to 27510 - for comparison, in Russia in 2010-m, the figure was 36053.

In other words, economically and technologically, Iran is a serious player by regional standards now, and in the future should become even stronger. At the same time, the country has impressive opportunities to export its influence. Shiites make up 65% of the population of Iraq, 85% of Azerbaijan, 70-85% of Bahrain, 30-45% of Kuwait, 15-20% of the UAE, 10% of Qatar, 8-20% of Saudi Arabia, and a majority of Saudi Arabia, while making up a majority oil area of ​​the kingdom. In Syria, Shiites - 60%, Lebanon - 12%. Afghanistan - 30%, Pakistan - 15%, Yemen - 20%. There is no exact data regarding Turkey - the Ali-Illahi sect, which is widespread among local Kurds and Turkmen tribes, is extremely closed. However, there is an estimate of its population in 40 million, which is about 15% of the country's population. The extremely ambiguous Sufi order of Bektashi with a strong Shiite bias can be found even in the Balkans - for example, in Albania it is a traditional religion for about 20% of the population. In general, Shiite communities are scattered around the world, while a small relative percentage of the population sometimes hides the non-nano-size absolute number — for example, in Nigeria, Shiites have 20 million.

The political model of Iran also looks quite profitable compared to the archaic monarchies of the Gulf. Iran - although a peculiar, but democracy. Expressed discrimination of ethnic minorities does not exist. Sunnis, Jews, Zoroastrians and Christians of traditional denominations are not subjected to any systematic pressure - most of the scandals are associated with the activities of Protestant missionaries, who are reasonably regarded by Tehran as the fifth column of the West. Women held the posts of minister and vice president.

At the same time, Iran is making efforts to become a center of attraction not only for Shiites, but also for Muslims in general. Thus, in 2010, during a visit to Syria, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad performed the Friday prayer at the Sunni mosque, noting that he did not see the difference between Sunnis and Shiites.

In other words, potentially Iran is a very real threat to the very existence of the Gulf monarchies and a regional superpower. Not surprisingly, the correspondence of the Arab elites of the Gulf with the Western allies, published by WikiLeaks, demonstrates the insistent demands to “cut off the head of the serpent” ((c) King Abdullah) and the “advertisement” of immediate war. At the same time, the virtual "Shiite confederation" (Iran, Iraq, Eastern Saudi, Bahrain, Syria, theoretically - Azerbaijan) will control a huge part of world oil production, which will turn Iran into a global player and an undoubted threat to the "Western world."

However, Iran has two fundamental weaknesses. One of Iran’s strategic vulnerabilities is the extremely diverse ethnic composition of the population. There is no exact data on the national balance in the country - the authorities consciously adhere to the principle of "ethnic" blindness. As a result, there are only very rough estimates - for example, the estimated number of Azerbaijanis in Iran varies from 11 to 30 million. The closest to reality is the Iranian ethnic composition - 51% of Persians, about 27% of Azerbaijanis, who are Azeri-speaking Türks scattered across the western part of Iran right up to its historical core - Persian / Fars (so Nissan Qashqai is named after the Turkic-speaking the semi-nomadic tribe of the Qashqais, who raised a prolonged uprising in the 1920's). The third largest minority are 14% Kurds, the remaining 8% are distributed among Arabs, Baluchi, Luria, Bakhtiar, Masenderans, Gilians, Talysh and others - all in Iran 30-40 peoples. Ethnic differences are complemented by religious - Balochi and most of the Kurds are Sunni.

The relationship between this collection of ethnic groups has never been cloudless. Iranian Turks dominated the Persians for a very long time. Ghaznavids, Seljukids, Gurids, Khorezmshahs form a continuous series of Turkmen-born dynasties between the 977 year and the Mongol conquest, then the dominance of the Turkmen continued until the 1501 year, when the Safavid dynasty came to power and the Azerbaijani era began in Iran. Up until the fall of the dynasty in 1722, they spoke exclusively Azerbaijani at the court and in the army. Azerbaijani by origin was the last "long" Iranian Qajar dynasty.

However, Reza Shah, who came to power in 1925 (came from the people of Mazandi close to the Persians), headed for the creation of a single Iranian nation. The Azerbaijani language was restricted in use, the Azerbaijanis were ousted from the elite, the Persians began to be appointed governors of Azerbaijan. As a result, opposition and separatist sentiments in Iranian Azerbaijan flourished rather than trying, for example, to take advantage of the Soviet government. As a result, the Azerbaijanis played a significant role in the overthrow of the Pahlavi dynasty and the establishment of the ayatollah regime. Now they are fairly well integrated into the political elite of Iran - in every government of 1 / 3, and sometimes half are ethnic Azerbaijanis, the great Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is Azeri. In general, South Azerbaijan is quite loyal, but ethnic clashes occasionally occur and separatist movements still exist.

In Iranian Kurdistan, the situation is more complicated - there are terrorist separatist groups that kill several dozen Iranian soldiers every year. Similar movements exist in Iranian Balochistan. Finally, Arab separatism is the most dangerous for Tehran - in Khuzestan (Arabistan) the main oil fields are concentrated. At the same time, along with standard separatism, there is often a long-standing dislike between minorities themselves - for example, between Azerbaijanis and Kurds.

This “window of vulnerabilities” is very actively used by opponents of Iran, rather actively trying to destroy the Persian mini-empire. It is also obvious that in case of obvious problems with the occupation of the entire territory of the country, the rate in the event of intervention will be made precisely on rejection of "alien" margins, first of all - Khuzestan.

Meanwhile, the second key vulnerability of the IRI makes the intervention possible - Iran militarily is actually very weak. The "well-known" data on the military potential of Iran are often radically overstated. In fact, Iran has 576 T-72, 100 T-62, 690 T-54 and T-59, 150 M60 and 100 "Chieftains" and about 100-200 tanks Zulfikar-1’s own production (a combination of the hull and chassis of the old American M48 and its own turret with a Russian-made weapon), the rest is light cars. In general, this is a more than halved Iraqi tank group since the first Gulf War, adjusted for more than twenty years of obsolescence. Some - rather conditional - value in this list is represented only by the T-72. Iran’s armored forces are in practice weaker than even the Saudi’s.

The Iranian Air Force is 134 F-5 Tigers and its local clones (I recall, it was produced since 1959 as a "budget" "fighter for the poor"), 65 Phantoms as a bomber variant, 25 F-14 Tomket , 35 Mig-29, 10 Mirage-1 plus, 30 Su-24 bombers and 13 Su-25 attack aircraft. This is the pale shadow of the Iraqi Air Force model 1991. The Saudi Air Force, further reinforced by recent deliveries of the next "batch" of F-15s, simply won't notice the Iranian Aviation.

In general, Iran in the confrontation with the United States or even only the monarchies of the Gulf can only count on a mass of manpower - which in modern conditions is equivalent to defeat. In general, the Iranian threat does not exist now - there is a threat to Iran.

At the same time, Iran’s military weakness is “conserved” by sanctions that prevent the country from buying modern weapons. Consequently, they should find a reason. In turn, Iran can only rely on a nuclear missile program and frightening rhetoric, demonstrating a willingness to fight to the end and cause unacceptable damage. As long as this situation persists, tensions around Iran will be eternal.
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  1. Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 07: 31 New
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    The only way out of Iran to defend itself against external aggressors, who often try to play victims, is to get nuclear weapons. Unlike the aggressive neighbor in the person of Israel who also possesses nuclear weapons, Iran is a more worthy candidate and indeed for him it will not be an attack weapon, but a defense weapon. I wish Iran to quickly create it.
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 May 2013 07: 55 New
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      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      In contrast to the aggressive neighbor in the person of Israel, which also possesses nuclear weapons

      Did they tell you on your "foreign forums"? Did they bring docs there? wink

      Iran is a more worthy candidate and indeed for him it will not be an attack weapon, but a defense weapon. I wish Iran to quickly create it.

      What is it up to? Turn to the GDP with a request to help Iran in creating the Self and means of delivery, or even better: give / sell to the Persians a pair of “Topol” for evil to the imperialists and Zionists.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 08: 22 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Did they tell you on your "foreign forums"? Did they bring docs there? wink

        Oh, you don’t need only your tricks about "we do not deny and do not refute" designed for fools, this fetish of lies is even ridiculous, "lie and not redder." As was the case with the air strike on Syria.
        Quote: Professor
        What is it up to? Turn to the GDP with a request to help Iran in creating the Self and means of delivery, or even better: give / sell to the Persians a pair of “Topol” for evil to the imperialists and Zionists.

        I see you hurt my statement and there was a standard transition to personality? You don’t worry if it will be necessary to contribute. Although Iran has many scientists in this field, which they are trying to eliminate. And if Israel went to an all-in bank in Syria, then it’s already a matter of approaching this.
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2013 08: 48 New
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          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Oh, you don’t need only your tricks about "we do not deny and do not refute" designed for fools, this fetish of lies is even ridiculous, "lie and not redder."

          Have you heard of the presumption of innocence? Ask on the "foreign forums" they know there.

          I see you hurt my statement and there was a standard transition to personality?

          Where did you see the transition to personality?

          You don’t worry if it will be necessary to contribute.

          No, they will not contribute. Russia does not need nuclear Iran at all, and the Kremlin understands this well.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 09: 48 New
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            Quote: Professor
            Have you heard of the presumption of innocence? Ask on the "foreign forums" they know there.

            The presumption of innocence is “do raids and say it is not you?”) Then read about the “presumption of guilt”.
            Quote: Professor
            Where did you see the transition to personality?

            Povikipedirovat what is the transition to personality.) Then you will see it in your text.
            Quote: Professor
            No, they will not contribute. Russia does not need nuclear Iran at all, and the Kremlin understands this well.

            It will contribute to the peaceful settlement of all problems in the BV, and a stable east is beneficial to the Russian Federation. Unlike the terrorists supported by Israel, Turkey, LAS.
            1. Professor
              Professor 12 May 2013 09: 59 New
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              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              The presumption of innocence is “do raids and say it is not you?”) Then read about the “presumption of guilt”.

              I am not guilty until the opposite is proved. Did you or anyone else prove Israel has nuclear weapons? wink

              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              It will contribute to the peaceful settlement of all problems in the BV, and a stable east is beneficial to the Russian Federation.

              Cool, Nuclear Iran is the key to stability ... Urgently, the GDP needs to be presented to the ayatollahs with a dozen ICBMs with multiple warheads.
              1. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 11: 30 New
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                Quote: Professor
                I am not guilty until the opposite is proved. Did you or anyone else prove Israel has nuclear weapons? wink

                Or are you guilty until the opposite is proven. If Israel does not have nuclear weapons, why does it not deny it? Such a dual position says only one thing, that Israel has it, the more Israel did not sign an agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, and also does not allow the IAEA to inspect its nuclear facilities. Prove the opposite, why is Israel not cooperating with the world community?
                Quote: Professor
                Cool, Nuclear Iran is the key to stability ... Urgently, the GDP needs to be presented to the ayatollahs with a dozen ICBMs with multiple warheads.

                Indeed, the guarantee of stability, in contrast to aggressive Israel, which bombards sovereign states and pursues a fascist policy and infringes on the rights of those who disagree. Speaking of photos, it proves your rotten essence in relation to others and lack of foresight, I at least have enough brains not to bring the rites and traditions of the Jewish people, exposing them for barbaric customs.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 12 May 2013 11: 45 New
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                  Prove the converse

                  It is precisely in this that the Presumption of Innocence lies; I do not need to prove that I (or the country) is innocent. Those who argue the opposite must bring the doc. Nowhere did he meet the assertion of the Israeli leadership that he had nuclear weapons. Prove the converse.

                  Such a dual position says only one thing, that Israel has it, the more Israel did not sign an agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, and also does not allow the inspection of the mage on its nuclear facilities.

                  Does Israel have it? Prove it. He did not sign the agreement as did most of his neighbors. And where did you get the idea that the IAEA inspectors are not allowed? Links to the studio.

                  Indeed, the guarantee of stability, in contrast to aggressive Israel, which bombards sovereign states and pursues a fascist policy and infringes on the rights of those who disagree.

                  I'm starting to cry.

                  Speaking of photos, it proves your rotten essence in relation to others and lack of foresight, I at least have enough brains not to bring the rites and traditions of the Jewish people, exposing them for barbaric customs.

                  Send direct insults. Bravo. good Here's another sane mode:
                  1. Phantom Revolution
                    Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 13: 05 New
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                    Oh, the conversation is again slipping into a meaningless flood. The presumption of guilt obliges you to prove that you are not guilty, and if Israel does not want to let the IAEA agents check, then this directly indicates its guilt.

                    Here is the first one.
                    On December 3, the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution calling on, inter alia, the Iranian and Israeli authorities to let the IAEA inspectors go to their nuclear facilities.
                    IAEA requires Israel to open access to its nuclear facilities
                    Here is the second.
                    18 years later, the Arab countries achieved the adoption by member countries of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of a resolution expressing concern about the Israeli nuclear program, BBC News reports.
                    There is a charge, and Israel, as a bandit, does not want to cooperate with the investigation, proving its innocence only in words. hi

                    Quote: Professor

                    Send direct insults. Bravo. good Here is another sane regime:

                    Did you find my answer to your provocation an insult? Just a description of your attempts to offend religious feelings. All right said. yes
                    Your further attempts at provocations confirm my characterization. Alas, but I will tell you a secret, the truth is bitter. yes
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 12 May 2013 13: 28 New
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                      Here is the first ...

                      Demagogy. There is no evidence as expected.

                      All right said.

                      I won’t go down to your level, because you visit foreign forums. laughing

                      Just a description of your attempts to offend religious feelings.

                      Tell me, do you approve of cannibalism too? Well, how is a religious feeling that does not testify to obscurantism and which also cannot be offended? wink
                      1. Phantom Revolution
                        Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 14: 03 New
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Demagogy. There is no evidence as expected.

                        Again, avoiding the topic, in the end everything is clear as a white day, you can’t prove anything by moving the arrows in a different direction. As a result, we see that Israel does not want to let the IAEA agents into nuclear facilities, and since it does not want, it means that it has something illegal to store there. hi
                        Quote: Professor
                        I won’t go down to your level, because you visit foreign forums. laughing

                        Are you hurt when they tell you the truth? smile Do you care so much where am I? what

                        Quote: Professor
                        Tell me, do you approve of cannibalism too? Well, how is a religious feeling that does not testify to obscurantism and which also cannot be offended? wink

                        Again the translation of the arrows in a different direction. And an attempt to offend on religious grounds. You did not get an adequate answer. wassat Which of the following will shock you? Maybe you also show circumcision?)

                        I’ll quote your own quote when you know what you are talking about, you answer briefly and clearly, alas, I again saw from you the ability to “tell a story of a cockroach that runs around a glass”.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 12 May 2013 14: 14 New
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                        you can't prove anything

                        Do you have a bad reading comprehension? I repeat: accuser must prove, not vice versa. Do you understand this? fool

                        Are you hurt when they tell you the truth?

                        It hurts me when they brazenly lie, such as in your famous post about your stay in foreign forums. Do you speak Esperanto there? wink

                        I’ll quote your own quote when you know what you are talking about, you answer briefly and clearly, alas, I again saw from you the ability to “tell a story of a cockroach that runs around a glass”.

                        Again verbiage? They did not see religious fanaticism because it is beneficial to you?
                      3. Phantom Revolution
                        Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 22: 42 New
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Do you have a bad reading comprehension? I repeat again: the accusing party must prove, and not vice versa. Do you understand this? fool

                        How naively lead the whole topic into flood.) You have already been provided with evidence. So read.) Judging by your beginnings of avoiding those, I see that you simply have nothing to answer) Further, it makes no sense to continue). This is not the first time you have proved your incompetence.) hi

                        Quote: Professor
                        It hurts me when they brazenly lie, such as in your famous post about your stay in foreign forums. Do you speak Esperanto there? wink

                        Let me quote you again, when you know what you are talking about, you answer shortly and clearly. smile

                        Quote: Professor
                        Again verbiage? They did not see religious fanaticism because it is beneficial to you?

                        PS What is religious fanaticism? Who saw?
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 13 May 2013 10: 12 New
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                        Quote: Phantom Revolution
                        You have already been provided with evidence.

                        Not evidence, but fabrications like if they don’t want to sign an agreement then they have nuclear weapons. The right is funny ...

                        This is not the first time you have proved your incompetence.)

                        A cheap attempt to switch to a person proving that you have no arguments. On "foreign forums" is that customary?

                        Let me quote you again, when you know what you are talking about, you answer shortly and clearly.

                        It’s not nice when you are caught in a lie and poked in the face ... you know what? wink

                        PS What is religious fanaticism? Who saw?

                        Insanity grew stronger !!! fool
            2. Gari
              Gari 12 May 2013 13: 30 New
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              Quote: Professor
              Send direct insults. Bravo. Here's another sane mode:


              Normal and advanced people, we have a lot of Iranians in Armenia, students, businessmen study, and tourists just come,
              normal advanced people
              and no disagreement
              1. Professor
                Professor 12 May 2013 13: 32 New
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                In any country there are normal, advanced people, but this does not apply to these characters.
                1. Gari
                  Gari 12 May 2013 19: 17 New
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                  ,
                  Quote: Professor
                  In any country there are normal, advanced people, but this does not apply to these characters.


                  Dear this photo
                  another celebration by Shia-Muslims of Ashur’s little-known day in
                  Pakistan
                2. Professor
                  Professor 12 May 2013 20: 57 New
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                  Dear this photo
                  another celebration by Shia-Muslims of Ashur’s little-known day in
                  Pakistan

                  No dear, this is Iran: Qum and Mashhad hi
                3. Gari
                  Gari 12 May 2013 21: 36 New
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                  found in google, pakistan
                  and Iranians, well, I don’t know who very advanced and modern people visit us, and by the way as far as I know, in the whole Middle East Iran is the only place where Jews were treated very correctly, and now
                4. Professor
                  Professor 12 May 2013 22: 08 New
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                  Look in the wrong Google, it’s been told to you by the Iranian cities of Qum and Mashhad
                  In the first 10 days of the month of Muharram, the mourning of Imam Hussein takes place. Throughout the month, in all of Iran, and especially in cities such as Qum and Mashhad, various rituals are held, funeral music is played, various processions are held, etc.
                  All self-incriminating processions that you will see in the photographs personify first of all the repentance of the inhabitants of Kufa who betrayed the Imam. Iranian women line up along the road and cry, hiding in the presence of their veils.
                5. Gari
                  Gari 12 May 2013 22: 43 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  Do not look in that Google,

                  I knew that Google alone
                6. Professor
                  Professor 13 May 2013 10: 14 New
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                  In my google there is this
                  Shiite Ashura festival
                  and in yours?
  2. lazy
    lazy 12 May 2013 14: 04 New
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    the presumption of innocence didn’t prevent the Americans from wiping Iraq into powder “we’ll conquer and find,” they never found. Iraq, by the way, actively collaborated with the mage to prove his innocence. and you seriously think that in international politics this presumption has weight?
  • komsomolets
    komsomolets 12 May 2013 12: 26 New
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    If there was such an opportunity, I would send a couple of ICBMs through Israel, free of charge, that is, for nothing.
  • Nick
    Nick 12 May 2013 13: 51 New
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    Quote: Professor
    I am not guilty until the opposite is proved. Did you or anyone else prove Israel has nuclear weapons?

    Dear, no one proved the presence of WMD in Iraq, then they were convinced that it was not there, but they bombed it to the nines, just in case ...
    No one has proved that Iran possesses nuclear weapons, or at least creates it, but Israel itself demands the bombing of Iran’s nuclear centers in order to destroy Iran’s ability to become a nuclear power ...
    Why then does the international community need to prove that nuclear weapons exist in Israel? To bomb just in case, as was sometimes done with suspected ones, and all that’s ...
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 May 2013 13: 55 New
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      Dear, no one proved the presence of WMD in Iraq, then they were convinced that it was not there, but they bombed it to the nines, just in case ...

      And what good is that?

      No one has proved that Iran possesses nuclear weapons, or at least creates it, but Israel itself demands the bombing of Iran’s nuclear centers in order to destroy Iran’s ability to become a nuclear power ...

      Israel does not demand to bomb Iran, but demands to stop the military nuclear program.

      To bomb just in case, as was sometimes done with the suspected, and all that is ...

      Intestine is bombed. They can mourn in different stands, but bomb them ...
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 14: 13 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Israel does not demand to bomb Iran, but demands to stop the military nuclear program.

        Military nuclear program? Does he lead her? Is it possible to perform?)
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2013 14: 16 New
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          In a foreign forum? wink
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 14: 51 New
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            Quote: Professor
            In a foreign forum? wink

            If you have nothing to say on the topic, better not answer.) laughing
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    2. Nick
      Nick 12 May 2013 14: 20 New
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      Quote: Professor
      And what good is that?

      It'S Nothing!
      Quote: Professor
      Israel does not demand to bomb Iran, but demands to stop the military nuclear program.

      By bombing and killing Iranian scientists.
      Quote: Professor
      Intestine is bombed. They can mourn in different stands, but bomb them ...

      Who has a small intestine? Do the world community? NATO alone is enough to plunge Israel into the Stone Age, but for some reason, all the suspicions about Israel do not find NATO's desire to bomb it. Strange selectivity, Iraq bombed for suspicion of possession of weapons of mass destruction, however, they do not react to Israeli nuclear weapons ... But everything ever happens ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2013 14: 24 New
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        By bombing and killing Iranian scientists.

        These are your fantasies.

        Do the world community?

        What kind of organ is this? Where is it located?

        But everything ever happens ...

        Waiting for ...
        1. Nick
          Nick 12 May 2013 15: 21 New
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          Quote: Professor
          These are your fantasies

          Bush’s fantasies led to the bombing of Iraq.
          Quote: Professor
          Do the world community?
          What kind of organ is this? Where is it located?

          The world community is not an authority; one must know such things. And the body is the UN. I hope you know this office?
          Quote: Professor
          Waiting for ..

          Only this remains ...
  • Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 12 May 2013 17: 49 New
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    Cool, Nuclear Iran is the key to stability ...
    Yes, professor, despite the irony in yours, the presence of nuclear weapons in Iran is a guarantee of stability in the region. Had Gaddafi nuclear weapons, it would be unlikely that European people would allow themselves to bomb Libya in the Stone Age.
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 May 2013 21: 04 New
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      Yes, professor, despite the irony in yours, the presence of nuclear weapons in Iran is a guarantee of stability in the region. Had Gaddafi nuclear weapons, it would be unlikely that European people would allow themselves to bomb Libya in the Stone Age.

      Yes, for heaven’s sake, then all states should have nuclear weapons, Romania, Moldova, Georgia, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and of course, all of Africa must certainly possess them. And the paradise of the earth will come ...
      1. Vladimir 70
        Vladimir 70 12 May 2013 22: 26 New
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        Yes, for heaven’s sake, then all states should have nuclear weapons, Romania, Moldova, Georgia, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, and of course, all of Africa must certainly possess them. And the paradise of the earth will come ...
        Everything seems to be going to this, everyone who wants to live will be forced to have nuclear weapons. Otherwise, it is impossible to defend oneself from European people. To be honest, I see no difference in dying from the democratic bomb of the European people, from the knife of an Islamic fanatic (sponsored again by the European man) or from nuclear weapons
  • Arkan
    Arkan 12 May 2013 17: 42 New
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    Quote: Professor
    Have you heard of the presumption of innocence?

    Professor, they’ll beat not by “presumption” but by face. Well, history doesn’t teach you anything ... laughing
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      1. Gari
        Gari 12 May 2013 21: 42 New
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        Quote: Professor
        History has taught the Jews to rely solely on themselves, therefore, Tsahal fought, fights and will tear those who are going to give Israel a face. Gone are the days when every redneck asserted itself on a weak Jew and, as I see it, many annoyed.

        All right, you need to rely only on yourself - Tsahal, Mossad and Shabak know how to work
        1. Maitre
          Maitre 13 May 2013 01: 00 New
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          Israel has only 3 allies: army, aviation and navy ...
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 12 May 2013 15: 28 New
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    Quote: Professor
    What is it up to? Turn to GDP to help Iran build its self and


    It will be cheaper and easier to immediately turn to Khameini ... so that some of the Zionists correct the speech apparatus wink
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 12 May 2013 10: 54 New
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    Quote: Phantom Revolution
    Nuclear weapons, Iran is a more worthy candidate and indeed for him it will not be an attack weapon, but a defense weapon. I wish Iran to quickly create it.

    Sorry, Vladimir. But an ayatola with an atomic bomb, it's like a monkey with a grenade.
    And do not forget the postulate on the export of the Islamic revolution. And as you know, it is one of the main directions of Iranian state policy.
    1. wax
      wax 12 May 2013 11: 08 New
      11
      The USSR also talked about the world revolution. But ... in the form of historical necessity, independent of the will of individuals. The USSR is not, but the question of the overthrow of the Anglo-Saxon fat trust has remained on the agenda. This is a historical necessity, independent of rhetoric.
      Monkeys with an atomic bomb in essence, and not in appearance, rather resemble those who used it just like that to intimidate, who took up bombers with atomic weapons on board not for patrolling and, thus, to prevent war, but for military use .
      Look at all the military conflicts after the Second World War, who unleashed them? And what means did you use to suppress the enemy?
      Iran, Syria are our strategic partners, and the more we will follow the Anglo-Saxons and their accomplices in their assessment, the worse for us and for a peaceful world.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 11: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: baltika-18
      But an ayatola with an atomic bomb is like a monkey with a grenade.

      In Pakistan, there is nuclear weapons and something happened? The Ayatollahs are not so stupid and fanatical and they know that if they use nuclear weapons, they will get the opposite answer. So nuclear weapons are a means of defense rather than attacks.
      1. Gari
        Gari 12 May 2013 13: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        In Pakistan, there is nuclear weapons and something happened? The Ayatollahs are not so stupid and fanatical and they know that if they use nuclear weapons, they will get the opposite answer. So nuclear weapons are a means of defense rather than attacks.

        Dear ancient nation, with ancient culture -
        The origin of the Iranian-speaking peoples is associated with the collapse of the Indo-Iranian continuum, which occurred around the beginning of the second millennium BC. e. on the former territory of the ancient, apparently, pre-Indo-Iranian Bactrian-Margian culture (Central Asia and Afghanistan).
        The ethnonym "Iranians" comes from the historical name "Iran", descended from the ancient Iranian a (i) ryāna - Aryan (land), (land) Aryans.
  • Professor
    Professor 12 May 2013 07: 53 New
    -17
    Iranian shipbuilding is advanced enough to clone Soviet Kilo class diesel submarines

    The author dreamed. Silencers and brains are not enough to clone Kilo.

    The Iranian authorities "mired in obscurantism" were actually actively investing in science and education. Literacy is close to 100%,

    Firstly, I like the definition of "close", and secondly, we found something to be proud of in the 21 century.

    From 2001 to 2010, the number of publications in world scientific journals increased from 2000 to 27510 - for comparison, in Russia in 2010 this figure was 36053.

    Yeah, the scientific potential of Iran overtook the Russian? Now the author will come up with Nobel laureates.

    There is no pronounced discrimination against ethnic minorities.

    Does not expressed exist?
    1. Nick
      Nick 12 May 2013 14: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Does not expressed exist?

      And unexpressed discrimination exists everywhere, I think even in a “democratic” Israel, especially to the Palestinians.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 12 May 2013 08: 21 New
    -6
    Well, guys, arm Iran. And at the same time, Turkey. And then from both and fight back. Iran still needs to reach Israel, and it will not be easy to do this directly, and the USA will not allow it. Like many Arab countries that are afraid of Iran, much more than they hate Israel. But Russia and the former southern republics of the USSR, here they are, at hand. Yes, and take something from them. And what do you take from Israel? Sand? So Iran itself has nowhere to put it. After all, the Iranians are not so stupid to fight simply for the “for the sake of destroying” someone. And they understand that this goal is both unrealistic and meaningless. But for Caspian oil, caviar and the introduction of the Iranian vision of Islam into the minds of citizens of the above southern republics, why not. And at the same time, to control the flow of drugs there by pushing all sorts of Mujahideen to the side and having big grandmothers from this flow. It is a clear and promising goal for Ayatollah. It’s they who set goals, and not the “cardboard fool” of Ahmidezhan. Or does it seem to someone that he is? Careful friends need to choose. And it will be like with Egypt, etc. friends who first raped with the USSR, all that they wanted, and for free, i.e. for free, and then sent him three letters and became friends with a more convenient friend of the United States. But this friendship cost the Union not only billions of rubles but also in the lives of owls of military personnel who died for no reason at all, protecting these friends. How much memory is still short for many
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 08: 29 New
      +8
      Yes, Iran is missing only one thing, to lose any support from Russia and become isolated as North Korea. Oh well. If anyone can arm a fanatical rabble who does not shun any methods, then this is only the west.
      1. Nick
        Nick 12 May 2013 14: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        Well. If anyone can arm a fanatical rabble who does not shun any methods, then this is only the west.

        What the so-called "Arab spring" convincingly proved ...
      2. gregor6549
        gregor6549 12 May 2013 19: 09 New
        -1
        Is it really only the West that has helped and is helping bandits? And what, the Soviet Union did little to help bandits of all stripes and color, arming them, and for free? Or Russia is not helping now.
        True, then it was called fraternal assistance to the people's liberation movements. And the fact that these movements liberated the civilian population in one or the other country from the right to exist, the USSR was of little interest. The main thing is that the gangsters were "at their feet" and screaming as loudly as possible that they were all one after another in socialism, against American imperialism and insidious Zionism. They tried., And not only with shouts, but also with something else from the arsenal donated by the USSR. And then they “threw” the USSR as the last sucker.
        Russia, the truth is now trying to help bandits a little thinner than the USSR did, and then it makes big eyes. Is it really us? Yes, not a joke. We, in fact, are giving Iran an exclusively peaceful atom in our hands, and the fact that it uses its crazy hands to make a bomb out of it is not for us. Again, a bulwark against Zionism and American imperialism, for which many Iranian tricks can be ignored. You can also mention Latin America, and others often the globe. But why. Useless!!!! History, let this a thing. He teaches, teaches, and so he cannot teach anyone anything. Moreover, they rewrite it, more than regularly. And instead of learning from mistakes (both ours and others), everyone, including the West and the South and the East and other parts of the world, as before, is trying to step on the same rake. Well, rake in their hands, sorry, under the feet, and bumps on the forehead.
        How many minuses do I have there? Total 7? It will not be enough. Throw ishsho. In such controversies on this site, this is already an encouragement.
    2. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 12 May 2013 09: 50 New
      +5
      Everyone has a short memory ... I will not forget Griboedov with the Cossacks. But Iran is a real force. May growl. The Polarsatics will not decide on anything serious ... There I have a mistake about the Anglo-Saxons, I liked it ... My cousin finished the war in Iran, in the NKVD division.
  • Toit
    Toit 12 May 2013 09: 09 New
    -7
    Iran's GDP per capita 6300 dollars, a penny
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 11: 18 New
      +5
      I would see what would be the GDP of Israel, keeping it in the same economic sanctions.
  • knn54
    knn54 12 May 2013 10: 02 New
    +3
    Currently, in Iran, more than 4 million people are unemployed. Moreover, more than 2 million are young people aged 15 to 29 years. The population of Iran (from 15 to 64 years) is almost 80% of the population. A friend (who worked as a trainer in Iran) said that it was the youth who were VERY dissatisfied with the “mullah regime”. But this does not inspire optimism.
    Pakistan, China and India depend on Iranian energy supplies and disapprove of Anglo-Saxon violence
    PS The West is simply forcing 3rd world countries to create nuclear weapons as the only way to maintain independence.
    PPS It is worth recalling that in the late 80s - early nineties, Iran carried out a series of terrorist acts around the world from Berlin to Buenos Aires. But after a suicide bomber blew up a US Air Force barracks in June 1996 at the Dahran air base in Saudi Arabia, where 19 were killed and more than 500 troops were injured, President Clinton’s administration threatened Iran with a military response. And the Iranians, over the next years, have so far reduced their pace.
    In the 90s, upon reaching adulthood, the Syrians received interest-free loans of $ 50000 from the authorities and settled well outside the homeland. Traders all over the planet, they and Iranians, as a rule, are religious and enjoy the support of their communities, which in turn are associated with the authorities. This is a considerable army, patriotic and potentially capable of delivering covert but effective attacks on NATO. And not only with their own hands, but also with the hands of the same Albanians, Bosnians and other "co-religionists / Shiites" ...
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 12 May 2013 10: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      more than 4 million people are unemployed in Iran

      The unemployment rate in Iran 15,3% (2011) 14,6% (2010) according to the Iranian government
      Excuse me, but why is it worse than unemployment in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece and some other European countries?
      1. knn54
        knn54 12 May 2013 10: 59 New
        +1
        Ezhak: Excuse me, but what is worse than unemployment in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece and some other European countries?
        Enter for these countries an economic blockade, you will see.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 12 May 2013 11: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: knn54
          Enter an economic blockade for these countries -

          In these countries and without a blockade, the unemployment rate is higher !!!
          1. knn54
            knn54 12 May 2013 13: 21 New
            +1
            Ezhak: In these countries and without the blockade, the unemployment rate is higher !!!
            One thing is the public corrupted by benefits from the Maghreb, and in the case of Iran, there is simply no work.
      2. wax
        wax 12 May 2013 11: 12 New
        +3
        Iran is also under serious sanctions, while Greece, Spain and others - no.
  • romuchik
    romuchik 12 May 2013 10: 04 New
    +7
    The military "power" of Israel so far can only a collective farm under the name of gas iron with a dozen collective farmers, and stick a knife into Syria in the back. If Iran falls, the most interesting Israel will be the first to drown in blood. And all Middle Eastern terrorism with the slogans “kill Jews” is spreading all over the world. Then we’ll see how the Jews will sing.
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 12 May 2013 10: 29 New
    +3
    Next in line for the conquest of the States of Iran: there will be everything and nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, preparations for an attack on Israel, the killing of civilians, etc., etc.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 12 May 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    If the United States climbs into Iran, this will be the end of the United States. Is it really not enough brains to stop?
    By the way, it would be interesting to know why the meeting of the Allied leaders during the Second World War was held in Iran. (directly in Tehran)? oh, for good reason it was!
  • Asgard
    Asgard 12 May 2013 11: 09 New
    +4
    Iran is a nation capable of development, another thing is that it is not allowed to develop, they are killed by their scientists, constant squabble among the "elites", although if you are an elite, you should not be subject to other people's influence))) but alas the "triplets" there, and the principles of nationalism, religion (how to pray? with three fingers or two) apply) to the former "great" past ....
    ... They correctly do that they Teach their PEOPLE + they need a State Idea (not a national one)) + development of the industrial sector, well, for the period of “troubled times” REFUSING ELECTIONS))) with the removal of key issues, the discussion is wide ...(the last key position and guarantee of survival)))
  • RUS
    RUS 12 May 2013 11: 16 New
    +1
    I was on holiday like in Turkey, met a young company of Iranians, generally talked about power, the Iranians fully support their power, the president and ayatollah, there are dissatisfied students, but they are like students everywhere, but as I understood from the conversation, they face a common enemy the people are one.
  • Belanov-ga
    Belanov-ga 12 May 2013 12: 07 New
    0
    Next in line for the conquest of the States of Iran.
  • Belanov-ga
    Belanov-ga 12 May 2013 12: 17 New
    +3
    It will be like that. Just because he possesses wealth and develops. An example of this is the separation of Kosovo. Indeed, in the end it turned out that Kosovo is the largest polymetal deposit in Europe, if I am not mistaken. And to whom does it now belong? And watch the video of hostilities in Syria ... It can be seen that often battles take place in entire blocks of new buildings. This suggests that Syria has developed, and very well. This became "Her fault." Among other things, of course. Well, what about Korea? How to eliminate competitors such as Samsung, Daewoo, Hyundai and others from the world market? You just need to start a war between them. And it will be done.
  • komsomolets
    komsomolets 12 May 2013 12: 29 New
    +5
    If there was such an opportunity, I would send a couple of ICBMs through Israel, free of charge, that is, for nothing.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 12 May 2013 15: 39 New
    +1
    There is a tough Islamic order inside Iran. If you are walking with an Iranian woman, then your wife can easily check whether she is yours or not. If they check that she is not a wife, then her fate will be sad. At the same time, a couple of obvious blue claims will not be.
    Outside the country, the Iranians are no different from the others. Friendly and open people.
    No small efforts are made by the appropriate persons for mountain preparation, not surprisingly. A significant part of Iran is mountainous. Of course, they have less experience than Pakistanis allow, but a good level of organization and an obvious desire to gain experience. Respect for Russians.
    Azerbaijanis and Farsi do not share with each other. In general, outside of Iran, they are all like people.
  • Frunze
    Frunze 12 May 2013 16: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Belanov-ga
    And watch the video of hostilities in Syria ... It can be seen that often battles take place in entire blocks of new buildings. This suggests that Syria has developed, and very well. This became "Her fault." Among other things, of course.

    I also drew attention to the new residential neighborhoods and massive new buildings in Syria! It will be inconvenient, God forbid, for our panel-khrushch, military video (do not set elite housing as an example). It is clear why such decorations were played off in Chechnya, the prestige of POWER good