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Is Syria able to repel air aggression?

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At the end of 2012, the Syrian air defense system destroyed a Turkish aircraft RF-4E scout "Phantom-2", demonstrating its effectiveness.

And at the beginning of 2013, a group of Israeli planes succeeded in their loss without destroying an important research center, which according to the Israeli leadership was engaged in the development of promising species weapons, in particular chemical. That is, Syrian air defense was not able to provide any effective opposition to the Israeli aviation.

So, after all, is Syria's air defense capable of repelling a possible enemy air strikes?
The question is not idle.

The civil war in Syria continues. The Syrian army successfully destroys militants who are forced to abandon attempts to seize even small towns and go to the tactics of terror. And this is already a political defeat, since, by taking the path of terror, the irreconcilable opposition practically loses the chances of a legitimate coming to power in Syria.

The defeat of the Syrian armed opposition will mean that its patrons, both in the West and in the Arab world, will lose any opportunity in the foreseeable future to establish control over Syria.

For Western elites, this means a significant weakening of influence in the Middle East, which will contribute to a significant aggravation of the economic crisis in Europe and the USA.

For radical Islamist forces in the Arab world, the failure to establish Islamic control over Syria actually calls into question the implementation of a geopolitical project to create a Sunni Islamic caliphate.

In addition, the US is interested, if not in establishing its control over the resources of the Middle East, then at least in destabilizing the entire region, in order to write off most of its external debt in the future against the backdrop of a major war and try to regain the position of “savior of all civilized humanity from barbaric aggression. Syria’s preservation of the independence and integrity of its state, law and order in it substantially complicates the destabilization of the Middle East as a whole.

Under these conditions, despite the relative decrease in the aggressiveness of the rhetoric of the opponents of Syria and its legitimate government, both in the West and among the countries of the Arab world, the threat of direct military aggression by regular troops of other states against Syria persists. At the same time, only NATO, with the leading role of the United States, is capable of realizing such an aggression, since the main opponents of Syria in the Arab world, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, are militarily unable to carry out such aggression, both in the military-geographical and military strategic. Moreover, even the leading NATO countries, such as France and Turkey, alone, without participation or with limited US participation, are also unlikely to be able to successfully defeat the armed forces of Syria. This was vividly demonstrated by the events in Libya in 2011.

Thus, it makes sense to assess the capabilities of the Syrian air defense with respect to its ability to withstand the attacks of NATO aircraft led by the United States and, with the participation of the Israeli Air Force in such an operation, which, as shown by the Israeli aircraft’s attack on the Syrian research center, will most likely take part in such operations.

What could be air aggression against Syria

The actions of NATO and Israel aviation against Syria may pursue decisive or limited goals depending on the prevailing military-political conditions.

An air operation with decisive objectives is possible if NATO’s military-political leadership succeeds in creating appropriate international legal conditions.

Such actions are possible if the leadership of the NATO countries manages to hold a resolution through the UN Security Council, giving them the right to use their aircraft to prevent any type of activity in Syria, like the “no-fly zone” over Libya.

The most likely motive for this could be the thesis about the threat of the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian army or the possibility of its capture by militants.

In this case, under the guise of the need to ensure the safety of NATO aircraft over Syria, an air offensive operation can be carried out with the aim of defeating Syria’s aviation and air defense. This will allow further NATO and Israel aviation, under the guise of fighting with chemical weapons and protecting civilians, to solve the problem of defeating the most combat-ready groups of the Syrian army, thus ensuring the victory of the Syrian armed opposition.

The basis of such an air offensive operation, which in duration can be from 3 to 7 days, will range from 5 to 7 to massed air and missile strikes.

Each of these attacks will be carried out by significant strike and support aviation forces with preemptive cruise missiles. The combat order of the strike will be deeply echeloned with the distribution of the shock and support groups in height from extremely small and small (mainly strike groups) to large heights. In the flight zone of the aviation, the aggressor will seek to disrupt the Syrian air defense system using fire weapons and their electronic suppression.

However, the implementation of such a resolution through the UN Security Council in modern conditions is very problematic due to the position of Russia and China.

The leadership of the United States and other interested NATO countries are well aware of this. Therefore, it is quite possible that if a final decision is made to conduct such an operation without an appropriate resolution of the UN Security Council, large-scale provocation can be organized to justify it, possibly with the use of chemical weapons, in Syria or even one of the neighboring states.

In any case, to conduct such an operation, it will be necessary to create a coalition of states with the inclusion of at least one state adjacent to Syria. Without this, it will be impossible to create the military strategic base necessary for such an operation.

Will require significant material costs. This is in the midst of a deep crisis of Western civilization can serve as a serious deterrent to the United States and NATO countries.

During strikes with limited goals, tasks can be accomplished to destroy individual Syrian political figures (for example, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, other top leaders of the Syrian state), important facilities of the public administration system, the armed forces, the Syrian economy, its research complex, television and radio broadcasting.

Such strikes can be inflicted by a limited composition of forces using aviation or sea-based and air-launched cruise missiles.

In the course of these strikes, the focus will be on achieving a tactical surprise. Therefore, on the flight routes of shock and support groups, Syria’s air defense weapons are unlikely to be suppressed. The order of battle will likely have a small depth to achieve short-term strike. Shock and support groups will follow the target along different routes at low and extremely low altitudes, bypassing the radar observation zones. It is possible to deliver demonstrative strikes against Syria’s air defense systems in order to divert fighter aircraft from the direction of the main attack.

There will most likely not be specific justifications for such attacks.

Just as Israel justified its attack on a research center near Damascus by the need to prevent modern weapons from falling into the hands of extremists, far-fetched theses on the threat of terrorism, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction or the protection of civilians will be advanced.

What can Syria oppose to possible air strikes

At present, Syria has very impressive forces and air defense systems. They are based on ground-based air defense systems. This is about 900 anti-aircraft missile systems for various purposes and more than 4000 anti-aircraft artillery shells from 23 to 100 mm, including about 300 ZSU-23-4 "Shilka". In addition, Syrian ground forces have more than 4000 calculations for the Strela-2, Strela-2М and Igla man-portable air defense systems.

Among the most advanced air defense systems available in service with Syrian air defense should be attributed C-200M, "Buk-М1" and "Buk-М2".

At present, Syria, as part of two anti-aircraft missile brigades, has 48 launchers for the C-200M Vega-M SAM systems. This complex has been upgraded and with a firing range of more than 250 km, it has good noise immunity, allowing it to be effectively used at high densities of radio-electronic interference. This complex demonstrated its effectiveness in the 1982 year, when the American carrier-based DRLO E-190С “Hokai” was shot down from the 2 km distance and was protected by the Prowler EW aircraft.

This complex makes it possible to hit low-altitude targets within the line of sight.

Its main drawback is stationarity, which creates favorable conditions for its preemptive defeat by Tomahawk-type long-range cruise missiles.

However, the possibility of its covering short-range air defense systems and short-range air defense missile systems to a certain extent eliminates this disadvantage.
The Buk-М1 and Buk-М2 SAM systems are among the fairly advanced anti-aircraft missile systems.

It is capable of hitting fighter-type aircraft at a distance of up to 45 km, with a probability of up to 95%, CR of the Tomahawk type at a distance of up to 35 km, with a probability of 50-70%. This complex can also ensure the defeat of anti-radar missiles, so the Harm-type missile can be hit at a distance of up to 20 km.

The control system of the division of the Buk-М1 or Buk-М2 complexes provides an independent overview of the airspace and automated target targeting. This allows you to use this complex autonomously.

Its most important feature is its high mobility. All its components are placed on tracked self-propelled chassis, which allows for a short time to change positions.

The ability to effectively deal with anti-radar missiles ensures its high protection against defeat by this type of weapon.
As part of two anti-aircraft missile brigades, Syria has 48 launchers for Buk-М1 and Buk-М2 SAM systems.

In addition to the C-200M, Buk-М1 and Beech-М2, the Syrian air defense has 48 C-300 of Soviet-made early versions of the C-XNUMX, according to Jane and some other sources. They were probably supplied by Syria from Belorussia.

This multi-channel air defense missile system allows you to simultaneously fire up to 6 targets at a distance of up to 75 km and has high noise immunity. Its mobility (deployment time from the traveling position to 30 minutes) makes it very difficult to defeat long-range cruise missiles, and its high noise immunity and the ability to effectively hit anti-radar missiles provide it with good combat stability even from modern air defense suppressants.

Among the most modern anti-aircraft systems available in Syria, should include the anti-aircraft missile-gun system "shell C1", which are in the Syrian air defense system, there are about 50 units.

Having a reaction time of about 5 seconds, it is able to ensure the defeat of cruise missiles or aircraft at a distance of up to 12 km with a probability of up to 80% or more. Having its own airspace viewing station and automatic target designation mode for the most dangerous air targets, this complex can autonomously, without external sources of information about the air situation, effectively deal with air attack weapons in the area of ​​reach, including low-flying ones.

In addition to these relatively modern anti-aircraft missile systems, Syria has a significant number of old-type air defense missile systems, which, despite upgrades, have limited combat significance.

These are the C-75 Volga and Pe-chor C-125 stationary medium-range radar missiles, which according to various data in the 11 SAM brigade consist of 480 to 600 launchers.

In addition, there are 200 launchers of the Kvadrat mobile anti-aircraft missile systems. They were upgraded at the end of the 80s and are in service with the 11 anti-aircraft missile brigades. Modernization allowed to significantly increase their noise immunity. However, the possibility of their effective use in the context of countering modern jammers is questionable.

The short range “Osa” 60 ADMS can effectively combat airborne targets at relatively low electronic jamming densities. Having our own airspace survey station allows this complex to autonomously solve air defense tasks within reach.

MANPADS and anti-aircraft artillery complexes in Syria have a low probability and a relatively small area of ​​airborne targets in range and height. However, their large number will create a significant threat to low-altitude air attack weapons and will allow a certain extent to increase the effectiveness of air defense in general, if they focus on protecting the most important objects.

Fighter aircraft is the second most important component of the Syrian air defense system. In total, the Syrian Air Force has about 400 combat aircraft.
Of these, the 48 of quite modern MiG-29 fighter jets, which at the end of the 90-x and the beginning of the 2000-s were modernized with the help of Russian specialists, can be brought up for the air defense solution.

The 25 MiG-25 and 50 MiG-23LD fighters are also still able to withstand modern aircraft that are in service with the NATO and Israel Air Forces.

The value of the 150 MiG-21 fighters for solving air defense tasks against the latest Western aircraft is close to zero.

Thus, Syria can attract about 120 fighter jets, which to one degree or another are able to withstand NATO and Israeli air strikes.

To control the air situation in the composition of the air defense of Syria, there are radiotechnical troops. Their armament consists mainly of obsolete Soviet-made radar stations - П-12, П-14, П-15, П-30, П-35 and П-80. In addition to these, there are a number of relatively modern radars with good noise immunity and protection from damage by anti-radar missiles, such as PRV-13 and PRV-16. However, their number is small. There are no Syrian defense aircraft or specialized AWACS aircraft or other airplanes (helicopters) capable of performing airspace reconnaissance and targeting functions to air defense weapons (fighter aviation guidance), similar to Iranian F-14.

Reliance exclusively on ground-based radar does not allow even in the absence of fire and electronic effects on the Syrian aerial surveillance system to create a continuous low-altitude radar field.

Not much better is the case with the air defense control system. It is based on ground-based non-automated control centers, which do not allow, in conditions of intense interference and with large numbers of airborne targets, to carry out centralized control by air defense forces.

The state of the air surveillance systems and the control of air defense forces and assets of Syria extremely complicates the centralized control of the air defense system.

What can the Syrian air defense

An analysis of open sources allows us to conclude that Syria has concentrated its main forces and means of its air defense on the western and southern direction, where it traditionally prepared to repel possible attacks by Israel. Recently, however, due to the aggravation of relations with Turkey, it can be assumed that the air defense system was also strengthened in the northern direction.

Based on the available data and the composition of the weapons of the Syrian radio-technical forces, it can be concluded that the radar surveillance system at high and medium altitudes covers the territory of the whole country and beyond its borders to a depth of 150-250 km from the border. At low altitudes, the radar surveillance system is most likely to be focal in nature, with the lower boundary of the radar field in the most important directions (west and south, and partly on the north) can be estimated at 200-300 meters, while on others - from 500-700 meters up to 1000 and more.

That is, the radar surveillance system does not provide reliable detection of low-altitude targets.

In the event that the enemy manages to suppress or destroy the radar on the flight directions of its attack aviation groups, there will be gaps in the Syrian aerial surveillance system, information about the situation in which will be absent from the air defense command posts.

The quantitative qualitative composition of the fighter aircraft of Syria defines, as the main method of its use, “interception from the duty position at the aerodrome”. At the same time, the possible lines of entry into battle will lie at a distance of no more than 150-300 km from the home airfield, which is determined by the capabilities of the control systems and radar surveillance.

A limited number of fighters can also be used from the duty in the air (no more than 1-3 pairs).

The outdated control system and the limited capabilities of the Syrian radar observation system make it extremely difficult or practically impossible to provide direct targeting of fighters to aerial targets in the conditions of the enemy’s opposition, bringing them to the most advantageous sectors of attack.

The main methods of action of fighters are likely to be self-search in the area, at the turn or in the designated direction.
This significantly reduces the ability of Syrian fighter aircraft to repel enemy air strikes and is fraught with great losses if the aggressor aircraft is controlled using DRLO aircraft.

The system of anti-aircraft missile and artillery cover Syria based on the combat composition of its air defense system can be built only on the zonal-object principle.

The basis of the zonal cover system is the long-range and medium-range air defense missile systems - C-200М, С-300, Buk-М1 and Buk-М2, С-75, С-125 and Kvadrat.

The basis of the air defense system of individual objects is made up of anti-aircraft missile ("Wasp"), anti-aircraft missile and cannon ("Pantsir-S1") complexes, anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS.

The combat composition of ground-based air defense weapons makes it possible to assess the possibilities of covering various-purpose objects in the system of object air defense in 350-400, including 100-140 using the most modern air defense systems - the Pantsir-C1 and Osa.

The weakness of the Syrian air defense surveillance and control systems is defined as the main method of using ground-based air defense weapons in the conditions of enemy counteraction to search for and destroy targets in the designated sector.

At the same time, the capabilities of air defense systems of individual objects covered with modern air defense systems - the Pantsir-С1 and Osa-are able to repel strikes of small groups of airplanes or cruise missiles (2-3 units), and covered by other means — no more than one air attack weapon .
The analysis shows that the main factor reducing the capabilities of the Syrian air defense system is its outdated aerial surveillance and control systems.

It is precisely the weakness of these systems that does not allow the Syrian air defense system to effectively repel limited air and missile strikes, when a small amount of air attack weapons goes at low and extremely low altitudes, bypassing the surveillance zones of the air defense radar.
Apparently it was this factor that determined the effectiveness of the strike of Israeli aviation on the research center near Damascus at the beginning of this year.

However, the results of such strikes can have only local significance.

Opportunities for the defeat of enemy aircraft in the composition of massive strikes are substantially greater, mainly due to the impossibility of the enemy achieving a full-fledged tactical surprise.

With proper organization of the reflection of the air strike, good training of personnel of the Syrian air defense forces (which, according to domestic and foreign experts, takes place), qualitatively organized operational camouflage and taking into account the experience of the actions of air defense forces in previous wars, the Syrian air defense system will be able to strikes destroy 40 to 50 air assault weapons, including 20-30 long-range cruise missiles, distracted by fake targets to 40-60% and more attack weapons.

At the same time, their own losses can amount to no more than 10-15% of the initial composition, while retaining their combat capability.

That is, the Syrian air defense system can disrupt an air offensive operation or even an air campaign of NATO and Israeli air forces, if 450-500 aircraft and 200-400 cruise missiles are used to carry it out.

In order to secure air supremacy over Syria within a reasonable timeframe, the NATO-Israel coalition will need to create an aviation grouping of at least 2000-2500 multi-purpose aircraft and at least 1000-1500 sea-based and air-based long-range cruise missiles.

First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Doctor of Military Sciences, SIVKOV Konstantin Valentinovich
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  1. Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 07: 15
    61
    No matter how many planes are needed, Syria will not be able to repulse the intervention of the NATO bloc alone.
    And they more than compensate for the losses with printed candy wrappers. So Turkey is trying to play its "September 11th", and so they climb into Syria. While the Russian Federation has a position of neutrality, Syria is in great danger, it is urgent to donate the latest technology to Assad and the Syrian people, to protect against aggressors.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 12 May 2013 11: 20
      18
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      No matter how many planes are needed, Syria will not be able to repulse the intervention of the NATO bloc alone.

      I completely agree with you. The most robust commentary on this article.
      Most of the comments for the article are from (URY !!!!) patriots to the first click on the nose.
      When will you learn to be objective? How many clicks on the nose do you still need ?!
      Not only modern weapons decide, but also the country's potential, and Syria’s potential to repel an air attack is insufficient.
      Visual confirmation of this last 2 point Israeli air raid.
      What other speculation is needed after this?
      Only Iran can strengthen Syria’s potential.
      On our I no longer hope my prostitute essence has recently been proven more than once.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup 12 May 2013 12: 20
        16
        Is blocking a resolution a prostitute?
      2. Free Island
        Free Island 12 May 2013 15: 58
        0
        What point raids are you talking about? The Israeli air force did not invade Syria's airspace. So there is a moot point. How can lawfully and reasonably shoot down other people's planes if they do not invade your space? it’s the same as Japan will begin to bring down planes (unless of course she has enough relics) that take off from airfields in Primorye. For example, strategic bombers TU 95MS, who DO NOT NEED TO INTRODUCE IN THE AIR SPACE OF JAPAN and who can be attacking the Japanese islands while being over the territory of the Russian Federation.
        1. iliq.1
          iliq.1 12 May 2013 16: 48
          +5
          Quote: Free Island
          The Israeli air force did not invade Syria's airspace.

          yes, yes, and all around suckers ...
          wassat

          Quote: Free Island
          How can lawfully and reasonably shoot down other people's planes if they do not invade your space?

          those. attacking cruise missiles, say nuclear power plants in the Russian Federation, cruisers and submarines of a conditional enemy to sink / shoot down the bottom - they have nothing to do with it?
          or Tu-22m, flying to bomb America or Israel, without flying into "airspace" - is it just that, and not a declaration of war?
          let's ask Americans and Israelis, how will they not bring down / drown such beauties? laughing

          Quote: Free Island
          it’s the same as Japan will begin to bring down planes (unless of course she has enough relics) that take off from airfields in Primorye.

          as soon as they start to shoot at the Japanese, they will immediately shoot down, preferably even before take-off ...

          Quote: Free Island
          For example, strategic bombers TU 95MS, who DO NOT NEED TO INTRODUCE IN THE AIR SPACE OF JAPAN and who can be attacking the Japanese islands while being over the territory of the Russian Federation.

          so until they strike, no one touches them.
          1. Free Island
            Free Island 12 May 2013 17: 52
            +3
            they’ll start firing at the Japanese before take-off ... I didn’t know that our Air Force had reached such levels .. to bomb without taking off ...
            1. iliq.1
              iliq.1 12 May 2013 19: 14
              -1
              American and Israeli have already reached the level that they destroy enemy aircraft directly at airfields, even before take-off ...
              or do you not know the capabilities of your air force?
          2. Prishtina
            Prishtina 13 May 2013 06: 03
            +1
            Have you watched geography BV? the distance from Haifa to Damascus is ~ 80km, from Damascus to the Demon Clearing Center ~ 200km. With the ranges of modern TSA, the air forces of both countries can be unloaded right above the airfield ... The question is different.
            And Syria now needs a big war with Israel, when inside is not calm ?! By answering this question you will come to understand why sometimes it is better to remain silent.
            1. iliq.1
              iliq.1 13 May 2013 10: 28
              +1
              Quote: Prishtina
              And Syria now needs a big war with Israel, when inside is not calm ?!

              here is the answer, about the "gallant Israelis", hoping that by killing a couple more pro-Assad soldiers and officers and helping the terrorists, hoping that nothing will come in return.
              but on the American example, we see that the answer arrives necessarily, after 20 and 30 years. and even across the ocean. but the Israelites have no ocean ...
      3. Don
        Don 13 May 2013 15: 12
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        Quote: ATATA
        On our I no longer hope my prostitute essence has recently been proven more than once.

        And how did they prove this interestingly?
    2. dc120mm
      dc120mm 12 May 2013 11: 53
      +6
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      No matter how many planes are needed, Syria will not be able to repulse the intervention of the NATO bloc alone.

      100% correct.

      But I think that NATO will not attack Syria and the USA either.
    3. Army1
      Army1 12 May 2013 12: 24
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      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      No matter how many planes are needed, Syria will not be able to repulse the intervention of the NATO bloc alone.
      And they more than compensate for the losses with printed candy wrappers. So Turkey is trying to play its "September 11th", and so they climb into Syria. While the Russian Federation has a position of neutrality, Syria is in great danger, it is urgent to donate the latest technology to Assad and the Syrian people, to protect against aggressors

      Well, you just expressed my thoughts, especially about September 11, Turkey, in point, and on the occasion of the air defense, so the crash of 1 plane does not say anything !!!!
      Rather, the ball was deliberate provocation, did not apply electronic warfare, the plane did not plan to attack the Syrian air defense.
      DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THE JACKETS THERE ARE JANKS MORE THAN THE SYRIANS.
      + THE RANGE OF THE SAME HARM EXCEEDS THE RADIUS EVEN MODERN COMPLEXES DELIVERED FROM RUSSIA, TK THEY ARE SMALL RANGE, BUT THERE CAN THROUGH THE ROCKETS ITSELF. THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY HUNDRED ROCKET WILL BE RELEASED BY THE MESSAGES.
      IMMEDIATELY PUTIN reacted to the Israeli bombardment and smelled of 300, just as the whole Western world did not sleep for a week, even the British Prime Minister arrived !!!!!!!!
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 12 May 2013 13: 00
        +7
        "THE DISTANCE OF THE SAME HARM EXCEEDS THE RADIUS OF EVEN MODERN COMPLEXES SUPPLIED FROM RUSSIA ..." Not one HARM can resist the microwave, y-yes. Around the radar, at a considerable distance, it is necessary to set up booths and turn on microwaves in them at the moments of an air raid: checked in Yugoslavia, until all microwave ovens in the Kharma district are interrupted, they will not pay attention to the radar ...
    4. Troitsky
      Troitsky 12 May 2013 12: 36
      -6
      Wang predicted the fall of Syria :) unfortunately .....
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 12 May 2013 13: 50
        +8
        And why not Nostradamus right away?
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 12 May 2013 16: 14
          12
          at the expense of Wagngi, this is a fact, once to the question "when will the 3rd world start" she answered "Syria still stands, and when it falls, then it will begin"
          Moreover, this topic is very old, from the zero years I still remember that I read it, the same thing about black prez.
          Only now vague doubts torment me.
          How to prepare people for something so that they do not rock the boat?
          1-first, a long-term plan of what you want is created.
          2-prepare people, and why not play such a topic. 30 years before the start of the planned global osbytiya, there is a drain of information through an alleged clairvoyant granny.
          And then at the right moment everything is as if according to the scenarios, black presek, the war in Syria, and most importantly, everyone is shouting "damn it, but Wanga predicted this, that is, they actually admit the inevitability of future events.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 12 May 2013 17: 02
            +6
            It seems to be true ... that's just, wanting to draw conclusions for myself, I put a pole in the words of Vanga - "Kursk will be flooded with water and everyone will mourn it." when I read this, everyone was laughing. And I laughed ... As for the preparation of upcoming events in this case, somehow it does not work ...
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 14: 05
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        Quote: Trinity
        Vanga predicted the fall of Syria

        and then she said - that the 44th president of America will be the last president of America, and he will be black and America will come. Will this also happen? This is what we are waiting for!
        1. Genady1976
          Genady1976 12 May 2013 14: 52
          +8
          I have long been waiting for America to be kaput
          America to the landfill of history yes
          1. krokodil25
            krokodil25 12 May 2013 20: 00
            +8
            Quote: Genady1976
            I have long been waiting for America to be kaput
            America to the landfill of history

            No, I don’t want Amers to disappear once and all, it is necessary that they go through the whole collapse, like we did in the 90s and look at their faces and then come up and spit in those faces and laugh out loud and spit again! am angry
            1. wanderer
              wanderer 12 May 2013 23: 52
              -7
              Quote: krokodil25
              Quote: Genady1976
              I have long been waiting for America to be kaput
              America to the landfill of history

              No, I don’t want Amers to disappear once and all, it is necessary that they go through the whole collapse, like we did in the 90s and look at their faces and then come up and spit in those faces and laugh out loud and spit again! am angry

              Lord, how much perverted the envy of an envious person can be.
              1. Genady1976
                Genady1976 13 May 2013 00: 13
                +1
                Wander those longer
                1. vvvvv
                  vvvvv 13 May 2013 02: 21
                  +3
                  A wanderer ... I would have written right away: an emigrant.
              2. aksakal
                aksakal 13 May 2013 07: 55
                +3
                Quote: wanderer
                Lord, how much perverted the envy of an envious person can be.

                “Well, why?” The Americans would, and you would benefit. Would increase your ability to survive in extreme conditions laughing would increase your understanding of the troubles of other nations, for a well-fed hungry man does not understand laughing and indeed it would be fair that you would eat the same cereal that you made for us and fed us in the 90s. Tell us 10 reasons why you should not want this? We are like those who are beaten on one cheek, and we substitute the other? You are wrong laughing In response to a slap, we knock out either a tooth or a nose and continue on the list. This is waiting for you, we have not forgotten anything. This is not envy, this soul is crying out for revenge. Wait.
              3. vvvvv
                vvvvv 13 May 2013 08: 33
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                No, this is hardly hatred out of envy.
                Rather, it is classic - class :)
                I have no doubt that many in the West simply pissed off with joy when the Soviet Union fell ... And in Russia it is not for nothing that they say that the one who laughs last laughs well ...
                However, when there is a caput, then the Russians, as usual, will begin to feel sorry for the unfortunate.
                I even feel sorry for ordinary Americans in advance. Their elite goes to them for the whole, they live a life of debt. You can’t compare it with Russia, although of course loans too. But, if anything, you can choose Zhirik, who has recently been pushing the topic of any amnesties, including credit.
                1. Black Colonel
                  Black Colonel 13 May 2013 10: 26
                  0
                  It can be a little different - "who laughs well, he laughs for the last time."
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 12 May 2013 12: 58
      10
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      No matter how many planes are needed, Syria will not be able to repulse the intervention of the NATO bloc alone.


      NATO is now basically a powdered homosexual at the UN. For them, the loss of even 2 or 3 aircraft from Syrian air defense is an insurmountable obstacle. They fight only when the superiority of forces 10 to 1 in their favor and complete victory in the information field. If there is a chance to get at least a little in the face, they immediately begin constipation, which is almost fatal for a homosexual.
      1. astra
        astra 12 May 2013 15: 42
        +1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        NATO is now basically a powdered homosexual at the UN. For them, the loss of even 2 or 3 aircraft from Syrian air defense is an insurmountable obstacle. They fight only when the superiority of forces 10 to 1 in their favor and complete victory in the information field. If there is a chance to get at least a little in the face, they immediately begin constipation, which is almost fatal for a homosexual.

        Right. So the NATO troops set the rebels against the Syrian army, trying to weaken them as much as possible. I really hope that the supply of modern weapons is carried out in Syria. If Amer and Israel did push through the ban on the supply of S-300 to Syria, then what prevents us from delivering complexes through Belarus?
      2. Ram chandra
        Ram chandra 13 May 2013 14: 36
        0
        they immediately have constipation, which is almost fatal for a homosexual.
        Ahahaha - just killed!
    6. Arkan
      Arkan 12 May 2013 18: 31
      +2
      Admiral Viktor Chirkov, commander of the Russian Navy, said that Russia intends to create a permanent operational connection for operations in the Mediterranean Sea in the near future. The base of the squadron will be the ships of the Black Sea Fleet.

      As the naval commander told RIA-Novosti, the new formation is being created taking into account the experience of the Fifth Operational Squadron of the Black Sea Fleet, which operated in the Mediterranean during Soviet times. According to him, the training of officers for the formation has already begun.

      The area of ​​responsibility of the new formation is not limited to the Mediterranean Sea. Chirkov said that, if necessary, it will include the Atlantic and Indian oceans. As the admiral noted, this will help to win in the speed of response to threats.

      The admiral told Interfax that the creation of the group's headquarters had already begun - officers were being selected and appointed to their posts. According to him, the number of staff officers will be 20 people. Basically, these will be sailors from the Black Sea Fleet.

      The composition of the compound will include five to six ships and support vessels. If the headquarters is a permanent structure, then the ships will constantly change. The admiral did not rule out the possibility of involving the Northern, Baltic and even the Pacific Fleet in the composition of the ships, as well as expanding the group.

      Chirkov noted that in the future, the Mistral-class helicopter carriers purchased from France may be included in the compound, the first of which will appear in Russia no earlier than 2015. He emphasized that ships of this class have a wide range of capabilities for long-term control of groupings at sea.

      In the future, the Navy command will be ready to send submarines to the Mediterranean. Chirkov recalled that both nuclear and diesel submarines were part of the 5th squadron. However, he said that in each case, the composition of the group will depend on the circumstances.

      Recall that in recent months, the ships of the Russian Navy have repeatedly made trips to the Eastern Mediterranean. The media connect these visits with the civil war in Syria. In Syrian Tartus is the only base of the Russian fleet, located in foreign countries.

      On the morning of May 1, a large landing ship "Azov" of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation arrived at the Haifa port. On the eve of the Russian Defense Ministry announced that a Russian warship headed for Israel for the first time in the history of the Jewish state.

      In December 2012, the Azov landing craft visited Tartus, the Syrian Mediterranean port where the Russian naval base is located. In January, this ship took part in major exercises of the Russian fleet in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea. In February "Azov", together with other ships, again visited Tartus.

      Note that due to events in Syria, Russia may lose its base in Syria. According to the Arab media, during the talks between Egyptian President Muhammad Mursi and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, Russia requested the creation of a Russian navy base in Egypt.
      http://newsru.co.il/mideast/12may2013/chirkov_a207.html
    7. audentes
      audentes 13 May 2013 00: 14
      0
      Also donate specialists in this technique, well, those who press the buttons or are you a volunteer? Well, to press "urgently" buttons?
    8. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 01: 13
      +2
      Vietnam is forgotten. If we want, there will also be aircraft carriers "accidentally" on a mine. Let's go.
  2. Rioter
    Rioter 12 May 2013 07: 34
    -9
    There is nothing to discuss. If Israel and the United States decide to strike, then the Syrian air defense will only be able to die heroically. What kind of rebuff are we talking about if the range of the Ecsta missiles is 150 km, and it was 180 when launched from a ground launch. They will cover all these complexes directly from the MLRS. And then wave by wave they will drive Syrian troops into the asphalt.
    1. mogus
      mogus 12 May 2013 08: 09
      21
      everything depends on the decision in the Kremlin. If they decide to support Assad, then for the attackers, it will be the second "Vietnam" ... And what will they decide ..?
      1. dmitrich
        dmitrich 12 May 2013 10: 02
        13
        Medvedev surrendered Libya, but Putin will not surrender Syria, this is clear.
        1. Nick
          Nick 12 May 2013 15: 07
          +4
          Quote: Dmitry
          Putin will not surrender, that’s clear.

          That is the hope!
      2. Army1
        Army1 12 May 2013 12: 31
        13
        It’s time for Russia to get off its knees, we won’t throw Syria, this will begin with the beginning of the end of the USA.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 12 May 2013 14: 59
          -4
          Quote: Army1
          It's time for Russia to get off its knees, do not throw Syria

          In your own words you want to publicly declare that you voluntarily ask for the Syrian front? I’m not your assistant, unfortunately. Not only is it a long non-military duty, but also in any case not conscriptive for medical reasons. Disabled, you know.
          1. Army1
            Army1 12 May 2013 15: 22
            +2
            Are you kopleks air defense?
          2. Reasonable, 2,3
            Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 08: 03
            -3
            Talk about the case. Nobody understood you.
        2. audentes
          audentes 13 May 2013 00: 55
          -4
          Everyone can talk a lot (there is a word that replaces this phrase!) Cheers patriot I think volunteers are welcome there, so your way out! The country is waiting for a hero !!!!!! Well, let's ! I'm going to a movie about your feat!
    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 12 May 2013 10: 00
      +2
      snot they will break you a little does not seem.
    3. dmitrich
      dmitrich 12 May 2013 10: 23
      -3
      Do not boast about going to battle.
    4. Anti
      Anti 12 May 2013 11: 03
      +3
      Quote: Rioter
      And then wave by wave they will drive Syrian troops into the asphalt.


      THIS is not Iraq and not Libya, teeth will break if they decide on the ground, the lads got a good hand.
    5. evgenii67
      evgenii67 12 May 2013 11: 15
      19
      Hello everyone!
      Quote: Rioter
      And then wave by wave they will drive Syrian troops into the asphalt.
      -I don’t understand why you were so nominated? If they give the order, the president of Syria will be removed, and Syria will turn into ruins, as has been the case with other states and rulers more than once. It’s necessary not to act soberly, why amers and Co. can be unlimited by turning entire countries into dust. Assad needs to ask for help, and China and Russia to directly provide this help, and not only by technology .... Now, according to the article itself, the author describes here they say so much so much that can hit at such a distance .... and in general it’s not enough. Syria is smaller than the Sverdlovsk Region or 4 Moscow in size, now the question is how with so many varied air defense systems allowed: "while the lower border of the radar field in the most important directions (west and south, partly in the north) can be estimated at 200-300 meters, while in others - from 500-700 meters to 1000 and more." that is, you can fly at an altitude of 200-300 into Syria and bomb without fear, then another question is where the 4000 calculations with MANPADS mentioned by the author? I have such an answer in my head, most likely this whole air defense system of Syria is greatly exaggerated, some part has been decommissioned, and the remaining "half-strength" is used, possibly due to poor preparation of calculations. It follows that Syria alone will not be able to cope in the event of a squabble, help is needed.
      1. Nick
        Nick 12 May 2013 15: 11
        0
        Quote: evgenii67
        Quote: Rioter
        And then wave by wave they will drive Syrian troops into the asphalt.

        Quote: evgenii67
        -I don’t understand why you were so nominated?

        And for defeatism ... am
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 13 May 2013 02: 40
          +4
          Bundle: electronic warfare aircraft + F-22 + Tomahawk - this was developed in the plans for attacks even in such a protected country as Russia. The means of attack and defense of the leading states are one thing, and when they attack the weak, this is not defeatism, but a completely objective threat of defeat. It is one thing if the strongest fighters in the world come out against F. Emelianenko - at least they have chances, and Syria against the United States and even partially NATO countries is a completely different "weight category". Even in the material, the limited possibilities of intercepting Tomahawks are indicated ..., and this is already ... So, such "encouragement" is also not very good. Here is the S-300 - this is already something ...
    6. KOMPLEKT
      KOMPLEKT 12 May 2013 11: 53
      +9
      To launch Delilah, it is necessary for the entire air defense system to work in active mode, which is possible only with a massive air attack, i.e. when 200-300 planes are in Syrian airspace, which is dangerous for attackers with a loss of a third of aircraft. Plus, the presence of radar simulators will reduce losses. The S-300 for Israel is not even in missile launchers, but in that it includes a radar capable of detecting low-flying targets at a range of 200 km (unlike the S-200 radar) and transmit information on target designation to both Buki and Seshki 75-200 .
      1. Toit
        Toit 12 May 2013 12: 01
        -1
        Quote: KOMPLEKT
        To launch Delilah, it is necessary for the entire air defense system to work in active mode, which is possible only with a mass air attack, i.e. when 200-300 aircraft are in Syrian airspace

        This is still where, air defense, 200 planes are: you can usually launch from the wing, you can from the ground, and hello, what does the air defense system have to do with it?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 05
          +6
          Despite the fact that to repel the attacks of several aircraft, they never launch the entire air defense system. Why unmask yourself?
        2. KOMPLEKT
          KOMPLEKT 12 May 2013 12: 07
          +1
          Where to let that? A rocket ("דלילה") needs a radio signal source from a radar.
          1. Toit
            Toit 12 May 2013 12: 12
            0
            Quote: KOMPLEKT
            Where to let that? A rocket ("דלילה") needs a radio signal source from a radar.

            and what does the whole air defense system have to do with, there is laser target designation, there are long-range observation aircraft, well, in the end, the airspace observation base on Mount Meron, which sees through Syria (certainly not in the gorges), but if they’ll be in 300 with these gorges, what will they see?
            1. KOMPLEKT
              KOMPLEKT 12 May 2013 12: 20
              +5
              Quote: Toit
              there is laser target designation, there are long-range observation aircraft, well, in the end it’s an airspace observation base on Mount Meron

              What is the purpose of the garbage truck, which is going to be a rocket launcher, for the inflated models of military equipment?
              Interventors need to destroy air defense radars, which can be done with missiles pointing to the radio signal in an active radar.
              While there is no mass invasion of Syrian airspace, radars are not active.
              1. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 12: 22
                -9
                Quote: KOMPLEKT

                What is the purpose of the garbage truck, which is going to be a rocket launcher, for the inflated models of military equipment?
                Interventors need to destroy air defense radars, which can be done with missiles pointing to the radio signal in an active radar.
                While there is no mass invasion of Syrian airspace, radars are not active.

                Class !!! Go to Syria as a military adviser; you are sorely missed there.
          2. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2013 12: 15
            0
            You confuse, Dalla is not induced by a radar signal. There are other missiles for this.
            1. KOMPLEKT
              KOMPLEKT 12 May 2013 12: 22
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              You confuse, Dalla is not induced by a radar signal. There are other missiles for this.

              Maybe we confuse it, but the wiki claims that this is its main goal.

              standard Delilah - AR (also known as "Star-1"). UAV is used to attack using active radar. First shown at the 1995 Paris Air Show. The following year, it was adopted by the USAF under the name "Light Defender".
              1. Professor
                Professor 12 May 2013 13: 08
                +7
                Why read the wiki when there is such a wonderful site like http://topwar.ru/with such modest authors repeat
                Delilah High Precision Cruise Missile
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 13 May 2013 07: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  You confuse, Dalla is not induced by a radar signal.

                  Quote: KOMPLEKT
                  Maybe we confuse it, but the wiki claims that this is its main goal.

                  Quote: Professor
                  Why read a wiki when there is such a wonderful site

                  And here is the lie, Mr. Professor)).
                  On the link to the respected site there is no statement about the delilah's non-knowledge of the radar signal. But there is interesting information about the possibility of its ground launch, which, you see, dramatically increases the chances of just such a use of it during the well-known Israeli provocation)).
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 13 May 2013 10: 34
                    0
                    On the link to the respected site there is no statement about the delilah's non-knowledge of the radar signal. But there is interesting information about the possibility of its ground launch, which, you see, dramatically increases the chances of just such a use of it during the well-known Israeli provocation)).

                    Learn the materiel, the link also does NOT say that it does NOT make coffee, does NOT dry clothes and much more is not written. fool
    7. Nick
      Nick 12 May 2013 15: 06
      +4
      Quote: Rioter
      What kind of rebuff are we talking about if the range of the Ecsta missiles is 150 km, and it was 180 when launched from a ground launch. They will cover all these complexes directly from the MLRS. And then wave by wave they will drive Syrian troops into the asphalt.

      If the Syrians had the will to defend their homeland, then they would find a way to answer your vaunted extas and dalil ...
    8. Dilshat
      Dilshat 12 May 2013 23: 06
      +3
      The existing air defense systems in Syria are clearly not enough. This is clear even to me as a non-specialist in air defense. Syria needs not only the S-300, but also the entire complex and nomenclature of Russian modern air defense. It also takes time to train Syrian specialists. NATO will not waste time on both quality and by the number of means of suppression.
  3. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 12 May 2013 07: 45
    +9
    I hope our modern missile systems are already in Syria.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 13 May 2013 00: 17
      +1
      Quote: vjatsergey
      I hope our modern missile systems are already in Syria.

      We ourselves have what is in the troops and in what quantities ... All air defense beyond the Urals is "full of holes". In the brigades of the OSA and Shilka air defense systems of the 80s and Igla MANPADS. In the VVS-Buk M3 brigades. For example, on all Transbaikalia 1 ZR brigade with Buks. Even the Soviet S-300s are not in sight, and there is no trace of such a number of Armor as in service in Syria, and they cover the S-400 near Moscow and in Vladivostok and that's it.
      1. Don
        Don 13 May 2013 16: 09
        0
        Quote: ramzes1776
        All air defense beyond the Urals is "full of holes".

        Do not carry nonsense.
        Quote: ramzes1776
        In the OSA and Shilka air defense teams

        Actually, the ZRPK Tungusksa 42 in the USC East. And what does the OSA do not suit you with? To cover the forces and means of a motorized rifle (tank) brigade are quite suitable.
        Quote: ramzes1776
        .In the Air Force-Buk M3 brigades. For example, for the entire Transbaikalia, 1 ZR brigade with Buki.

        Read the information. before you talk nonsense. SAM Buk 8th, 140th and 71st SAM in the USC East armed with Bukami. Back in the 70th, 36th motorized rifle brigades and the 18th machine gun and artillery division of the Buk air defense system. And in the 1544th and 1723rd anti-aircraft missile regiments.
        Quote: ramzes1776
        Even the Soviet S-300 is not in sight

        This is pure lies. Will you list anti-aircraft missile regiments armed with S-300PM, S-300PS and S-300V? There are 5 of them in the Far East. Plus also the S-400.
        Quote: ramzes1776
        and as many Shells as in service in Syria are not in sight

        Is there an urgent need to buy hundreds? Gradually arrive. Syria has only 36, and the Russian Federation received 22 for the year. And the Shell-C1 is also under Novorossiysk.
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 13 May 2013 22: 35
          +1
          Quote: Don
          Read the information. before you talk nonsense. SAM Buk 8th, 140th and 71st SAM in the USC East armed with Bukami. Back in the 70th, 36th motorized rifle brigades and the 18th machine gun and artillery division of the Buk air defense system. And in the 1544th and 1723rd anti-aircraft missile regiments.

          I don't speak for the entire USC Vostok. I'm talking about Transbaikalia. And there is no S-300, because there is no S-1. They are all in the Far East. There is only one brigade on Buki, in which only 2 division is on alert and covers the airbase in Domna. And in 1 motorized rifle and 2 tank formations, more than one complex is not on the base. And that's all for XNUMX thousand km., if not more than the border with China and Mongolia. Most likely the same story is from Baikal to the Urals. The Far East is still less covered. So our air defense behind the Urals is "full of holes", with the exception of a small number of covered areas. So you are talking nonsense ...
          Quote: Don
          And what does the OSA do not suit you with? To cover the forces and means of a motorized rifle (tank) brigade are quite suitable.

          TORs had to come to replace Os for a long time and where are they?
          1. Don
            Don 14 May 2013 14: 24
            0
            Quote: ramzes1776
            I don’t speak for the entire USC East. I am talking about Transbaikalia.

            So you clarify about what you are talking about, otherwise "beyond the Urals" is a loose concept.
            Quote: ramzes1776
            There is one brigade on Buki, in which only 1 division is on combat duty and it covers the air base in Domna.

            I don’t know exactly how many Bukovs in one battalion, I know how many S-300 SPUs in one battalion, but in the 140th ZRB 27 Buk air defense missiles. And you forgot the 1723 ZRP in Dijda. And from Domna, it’s just the MiG-29, the 120th fighter aviation regiment, which is part of the 26th Air Defense Division, and must be covered from the air. Theoretically, when attacking from the PRC, the main blow will be made on the Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories, and not on the impassable Transbaikalia. Therefore, the Far East is well and covered by air defense.
            Quote: ramzes1776
            And in 2 motorized rifle and in 1 tank units, more than one complex is not on the database

            So S-300 and should not be included in MB or TB.
            Quote: ramzes1776
            So our air defense beyond the Urals is "full of holes", with the exception of a small number of covered areas.

            Again, "Beyond the Urals". OSK Center is not badly saturated with air defense, just like the Far East, and you do not take into account fighter aircraft at all.
  4. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 12 May 2013 08: 08
    +8
    Countries are not conquered by airplanes
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 12 May 2013 09: 45
      21
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Countries are not conquered by airplanes

      Yes, this is so, but in essence the goals of modern warfare are not the same as they were 50 years ago. Now, in order to bring the country to its knees, it is enough to bomb its infrastructure, power plants. factories etc. But first, of course, the air defense system will be destroyed, first of all, the radar, then fire weapons. In my opinion, you don’t have to count on the S-200, it’s stationary and the first flies will fly on it whether it’s tomahoki or air-based missiles, the same as the S-75 and 125. It’s likely that the aggressors will let Buki, Armor and Wasp but they have a short range and they won’t have to work on aviation, since the KR, after some losses, will still break through and greatly damage them. I think that the option with Yugoslavia will be repeated. We’ll bring down several goals, we’ll be happy, but after that the Syrians will only have the anti-aircraft defense. By the way, we should not forget about sabotage groups that will act very actively and effectively. The trouble is straight ... It is necessary for the whole world to take. Ours can at least be assisted by space intelligence and radio interception?
    2. andrejwz
      andrejwz 12 May 2013 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Countries are not conquered by airplanes

      You tell the Serbs.
      1. lazy
        lazy 12 May 2013 12: 49
        +1
        actually Serbia was not conquered, brought to its knees, but not conquered, and there are no invaders in Belgrade
        1. individual
          individual 12 May 2013 13: 48
          +3
          In Belgrade, no, in Kosovo - always welcome.
        2. Anti
          Anti 12 May 2013 16: 17
          0
          Quote: lazy
          Serbia was not conquered


          That's right, she herself lay down under Nato.

          there are no occupants in Belgrade


          But Western puppets in the government.


          1. vvvvv
            vvvvv 13 May 2013 02: 48
            0
            Well, yes, well, yes ... As it was in Georgia. But now in the news "Saakashvili's supporters were beaten by restaurant visitors" ... There were puppets, but now they were given ... "for nuts" :) It's a pity that there is no such expression "for ranetki", otherwise it would be in rhyme :)
      2. Anti
        Anti 12 May 2013 16: 31
        +1
        Quote: andrejwz
        You tell the Serbs.

        I completely agree with Nick. It would be the will of the Serbs to defend their homeland, then they would find a way to respond, as that ..
  5. Toit
    Toit 12 May 2013 08: 20
    +2
    Author, you forgot the Israeli raid on the nuclear center in 2007, after which the planes flew over Assad’s palace with a wave of their wings, this is effective.
    At the moment, it is not so important what systems Syria will have in service, the country is torn to pieces, mountainous terrain and rebels, an integrated approach is needed here, or you will lose installations and you will not receive money from Syria.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 08: 49
      17
      Quote: Toit
      Author, you forgot

      I remembered - if you throw one such bomb exactly in the middle of Israel, then you will definitely come to an end, final and irrevocable, once and for all!
      1. Toit
        Toit 12 May 2013 09: 03
        38 th
        Quote: djon3volta
        I remembered - if you throw one such bomb exactly in the middle of Israel, then you will definitely come to an end, final and irrevocable, once and for all!

        So you try, and then say all the masters, and do not forget to wrap tightly in a white sheet)
        1. Rink
          Rink 12 May 2013 10: 36
          37
          Quote: Toit
          So you try, and then say all the masters, and do not forget to wrap tightly in a white sheet)

          If WE try, then YOU will not know anything about this ...
          And then we will wrap ourselves in a white sheet, when we leave the sauna we will begin to sip beer.

          Israel is a pocket dog of the States: barks loudly, while the owner is behind him.
          1. Toit
            Toit 12 May 2013 10: 40
            20 th
            Quote: Skating rink
            If WE try, then YOU will not know anything about this ...

            What, words, what prose, MATTERS where?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 May 2013 10: 43
              16
              Would you like to do business? In vain.
              1. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 10: 55
                15 th
                Quote: Spade
                Would you like to do business? In vain.

                No, I don’t want to, but you’re getting hungry, so what’s the matter, should you give your greatcoat to travel to Syria?
                1. Rink
                  Rink 12 May 2013 11: 08
                  16
                  Quote: Toit
                  Quote: Spade
                  Would you like to do business? In vain.

                  No, I don’t want to, but you’re getting hungry, so what’s the matter, should you give your greatcoat to travel to Syria?

                  We can do without your overcoat.
                  In addition, I know that in Syria, an overcoat is out of place.
                  I served there for three years.
                  1. Toit
                    Toit 12 May 2013 11: 15
                    -3
                    Quote: Skating rink
                    We can do without your overcoat.
                    In addition, I know that in Syria, an overcoat is out of place.
                    I served there for three years.

                    And how did you spend the night in the mountains, even in summer, maybe they burned bonfires, so you can forget about it, war
                    1. Rink
                      Rink 12 May 2013 13: 05
                      +6
                      Quote: Toit
                      And how did you spend the night in the mountains, even in summer, maybe they burned bonfires, so you can forget about it, war

                      Firstly, I was very far from the mountains.
                      Secondly, I didn’t have to sit in the trenches.
                      1. Toit
                        Toit 12 May 2013 13: 28
                        -5
                        Quote: Skating rink
                        Firstly, I was very far from the mountains.
                        Secondly, I didn’t have to sit in the trenches

                        Sorry, I don’t know where you were, believe me, it can be very cold here.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 09
                  26
                  Pray your Yahweh so that people like me do not go to Syria. It's one thing to fool, another thing is us.
                  1. Toit
                    Toit 12 May 2013 11: 16
                    18 th
                    Quote: Spade
                    Pray your Yahweh so that people like me do not go to Syria. It's one thing to fool, another thing is us.

                    I don’t know you, so I’ll wait for prayers.
                    Go to Syria, we’re not going to enter there with our legs, well, except for the specialists who are already given there
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 18
                      11
                      Quote: Toit
                      I don’t know you, so I’ll wait for prayers.

                      When you find out, it will be too late to pray
                      1. Toit
                        Toit 12 May 2013 11: 25
                        -7
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Toit
                        I don’t know you, so I’ll wait for prayers.

                        When you find out, it will be too late to pray

                        Again words, come we will get acquainted, as I already said somewhere, look for battalion 9202
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 36
                        21
                        They will order, I’ll go. I wrote that we are different from the idiots, in front of whom you usually try to puff.
                        A person with real combat experience knows that excessive initiative is punishable. So pray that there will be no decision on the entry of Russian specialists.
                      3. Toit
                        Toit 12 May 2013 11: 49
                        -9
                        Quote: Spade
                        They will order, I’ll go. I wrote that we are different from the idiots, in front of whom you usually try to puff.
                        A person with real combat experience knows that excessive initiative is punishable. So pray that there will be no decision on the entry of Russian specialists.

                        I repeat, battalion 9202, look, but you will find.
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 53
                        +8
                        19 motorized rifle. Seek Yes
                      5. Toit
                        Toit 12 May 2013 12: 02
                        -6
                        Quote: Spade
                        19 motorized rifle. Seek Yes

                        Arrive - meet
          2. DimaA3678
            DimaA3678 12 May 2013 11: 57
            15 th
            What a "terrible" and "cool" tyrnet fighter you are, well, straight koschey-immortal :))) come "meet", only the Emergencies Ministry do not forget to take with you, so that ... laughing yes, and do not forget to pray your Yahweh.
            Dimon
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 05
              +6
              It’s so scary.
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        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 12 May 2013 17: 20
          +6
          Thank you, the overcoat will be hot. Actually, YOU will do what you can, and WE will do what we want. For example, if our president has such a desire, a group of our ships will enter the Mediterranean Sea. And it will hang peacefully in international waters, without touching anyone. And all the Syrian wealth listed in the article will receive from somewhere the most accurate target designation. And then the previously invulnerable Israeli aircraft ... and tanks ... In general, someone will get terribly hot.
          But it can become much funnier, this scenario is not the most unpleasant for you. After all, you can arrange other miracles, and, what is especially nice, in the Israeli style - they say firstly this price must be paid, and secondly, who proved that we are? That is all of them! Moreover, corpses have a bad time filing applications with international courts. Threatening the Russians, many have already threatened. And many are still in danger ... You don’t need to take us weakly. She shouldn’t ...
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 12 May 2013 12: 22
        16
        Quote: Spade
        Would you like to do business? In vain.
        Apparently, some "wrong" Israelis visit our site. Here is the correct Netanyahu - he is going to negotiate in an amicable way in Sochi: "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu plans to come to Russia to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin, spokesman for the head of state Dmitry Peskov told RIA Novosti.“Such a visit is planned,” he said and noted that the date of the visit is being specified. In turn, a source in diplomatic circles said that the Israeli prime minister expects to visit Sochi early next week. “The visit is currently under active preparation,” he explained.The main topic of the upcoming visit to Russia by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will be the problem of deliveries of Russian weapons to Syria, a senior source in Jerusalem said.
        Source: http: //www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2013/05/12/n_2904029.shtml
        Their very unloved, but still Israeli source also writes about this: "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu travels to the Black Sea city of Sochi early next week for a personal meeting with President Vladimir Putin."Moscow sources report that Netanyahu asked Putin to meet without delay for the last desperate attempt to convince him to cancel the sale of advanced anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria. S-300. .
        Our sources add that now the Prime Minister’s chances of preventing the sale are extremely small. A number of prominent figures have already tried to speak of the Russian president from the sale, and they have not succeeded, starting with US Secretary of State John Kerry on May 7, May 10 with the help of British Prime Minister David Cameron, who met in Sochi with Putin and ending with German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle he was received by his Russian colleague Sergey Lavrov in Warsaw.All of them warned Russian leaders that the supply of S-300 missiles to Syria could spur an arms race in Syria and the Middle East with disastrous consequences.
        Lavrov told reporters: "Russia is not going to sell the S-300 to Syria. Russia has already sold them for a long time. It has signed contracts and is completing the supply of equipment in accordance with them., ". Rejecting all their arguments, Putin said his government would not stand by and fulfill all its obligations to Syrian ruler Bashar al-Assad to protect his regime. After Israel’s air strike against Damascus on May 5, nothing can stop S-300 shipments, the Russian president warned in a telephone conversation with the Israeli prime minister on May 7, when he was on a visit to Shanghai, and warned Israel against any further attacks on Syria .
        He later rejected Western leaders' suggestions, saying that Moscow would never allow another NATO-led US campaign against Assad, similar to the one that overthrew Muammar Gaddafi in Libya in 2011.Israel is concerned that Moscow may have decided to send 144 S-300 missiles to Syria due to along with air defense specialists. They will be officially described as instructors for training Syrian crews. But they will also be available for effective missile control. Israel will be forced to think twice before attacking the S-300 for fear of falling into Russian officers. Since the chances of discouraging Putin from abandoning this strategy are almost nil the best Netanyahu can hope for in a personal meeting with the Russian president is limited agreement on the basic rules to prevent an Israeli-Russian military clash in Syria. http://www.debka.com/article/22963/Netanyahu-to-visit-Putin-in-a-bid-to-stop-his
        -S-300-missile-sale-to-Syria
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 27
          +4
          Desires have an unpleasant property - they can come true.
          1. Toit
            Toit 12 May 2013 12: 30
            -7
            Quote: Spade
            Desires have an unpleasant property - they can come true.

            God will not betray, the pig will not eat.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 12 May 2013 12: 36
            13
            Quote: Spade
            they can be fulfilled.
            UNFORTUNATELY YES. To be honest, I don’t understand at all what caused all the fuss to unfold. Deliveries began back in 2011, the Syrians do not use them because they can knock out only half of the Israeli Air Force, but then it will not flare up like a child. Both Assad and Netanyahu have enough reason to realize this. And here on the site, out of a sense of falsely understood patriotism, some demand that almost nuclear weapons be delivered to Syria, others declare that they will “roll Syria into the asphalt.” Young green ...
        2. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 12: 30
          -5
          It’s always better to agree than to fight
          Quote: Kaa
          for fear of getting into Russian officers

          Previously, this did not interfere.
        3. CAMS
          CAMS 12 May 2013 14: 49
          0
          Volodya BOOST !!!
    2. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 12 May 2013 11: 05
      10
      For you, a word is enough for you to have complete diarrhea.
      1. Toit
        Toit 12 May 2013 11: 07
        18 th
        Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
        A word is enough for you to have complete diarrhea

        So far, nothing, the chair is normal, since I can give a helmet with a greatcoat ...
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 13 May 2013 02: 55
          0
          I agree, give me a present. I hope your promises are not empty.
          In addition, I will not give up other equipment and weapons. Address to send?
      2. wanderer
        wanderer 13 May 2013 00: 10
        -1
        Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
        For you, a word is enough for you to have complete diarrhea.

        Until now, the diarrhea of ​​words (verbal diarrhea, for the illiterate) occurs with the appearance of a post that is somehow connected with Israel. Probably complex.))
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    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 21
      +7
      Are you another one who wants to bite? How many masochists do you have ...
    2. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: DimaA3678
      Well, so is Russia- a yard lap-dog, barks shrillly, but cannot bite :)))

      Russia may bite so that the whole world is in shit, but if God forbid, someone will not have enough brains, and he will try to repeat the "feat" of Napoleon, Hitler and others like them, in an offensive operation Russia will have an obvious problem with logistics
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 37
        10
        Are you two under the same nickname? One reasoned reasonably, the other wrote about the greatcoat.
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 11: 50
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          Are you two under the same nickname? One reasoned reasonably, the other wrote about the greatcoat.

          For different posts, different answers, we are not afraid of threats, but to call RUSSIA a weak dog, this is at least nonsense
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 54
            +3
            Quote: Toit
            To different posts, different answers

            Cap-hatred, but with caution. Clear.
            1. Toit
              Toit 12 May 2013 12: 03
              -2
              Quote: Spade
              Cap-hatred, but with caution. Clear.

              What hatred, thank you, all rank by rank
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 10
                +4
                And then. Here on one branch your talked about how Israel will destroy Russia with nuclear weapons. "All rank by rank"
              2. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 12: 20
                -7
                Quote: Spade
                And then. Here on one branch your talked about how Israel will destroy Russia with nuclear weapons. "All rank by rank"

                Firstly ours, but not me, secondly in the case of a nuclear strike (hypothetical) Israel has something to answer, even after its complete destruction
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 21
                +6
                Americans will not subscribe.
              4. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 12: 23
                -7
                Quote: Spade
                Americans will not subscribe.

                So I'm talking about ourselves, of course we will not destroy Russia, but the level of permissible losses into the pipe
              5. Lopatov
                Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 28
                +3
                What is it, the level of permissible. For you and for us.
              6. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 12: 32
                -6
                Quote: Spade
                What is it, the level of permissible. For you and for us.

                In a nuclear war with Russia. we will be destroyed, you will miss a dozen other cities, and millions of people, do you need it?
              7. Lopatov
                Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 34
                +7
                Ten? You exaggerate your own capabilities. The biggest thing is drag a couple of landmines to our territory.
              8. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 12: 46
                -6
                Quote: Spade
                Ten? You exaggerate your own capabilities. The biggest thing is drag a couple of landmines to our territory.

                Do you want to take a chance? Yes, and the pair is more than enough, but this will not happen for many reasons.
            2. hrych
              hrych 12 May 2013 12: 44
              16
              Let's say, for starters, that Israel, like the United States, is now not an enemy of Russia, but a geostrategic opponent, which is not the same thing and the probability of exchanging attacks is minimal. If vsezh Russia for some reason strikes Israel, then there will be no one and no answer, due to Israel’s lack of the ability to hide retaliation weapons for retaliation. Russia solves this problem with mobile systems, submarine missile carriers, and most importantly, having a huge territory has a bonus with a flight time that Israel has no recollection of.
            3. Toit
              Toit 12 May 2013 12: 51
              -1
              Quote: hrych
              Israel’s lack of ability to shelter retaliation weapons

              Dolphin Submarines

              Russian border cities like Sochi do not have such a bonus
              Quote: hrych
              huge territory has a bonus with flying time


              Quote: hrych
              Let's say, for starters, that Israel, like the United States, is now not an enemy of Russia, but a geostrategic enemy

              100
            4. Don
              Don 13 May 2013 16: 25
              0
              Quote: Toit
              Russian border cities like Sochi do not have such a bonus

              Sochi is covering the S-400 near Novorossiysk.
              Quote: Toit
              Dolphin Submarines

              They can only supposedly use weapons of mass destruction. In addition, are you sure that Israel has an ICBM in service? I think that most likely the BRDS.
          2. Arkan
            Arkan 12 May 2013 12: 58
            11
            Quote: hrych
            Israel, then there will be no one and nothing to answer, due to Israel’s lack of the ability to shelter retaliation weapons.

            With the advent of submarines in Israel, they have the possibility of a retaliatory strike (though very illusive), but Russia has a chance to resolve the issue with the wrong hands without any losses on its part, simply by selling Iran several nuclear warheads ...
          3. vvvvv
            vvvvv 13 May 2013 03: 20
            +3
            I do not quite agree. Israel cannot be a geostrategic adversary because of the absence of such global ambitions and opportunities in Israel. The maximum is in conjunction with the US Atlantic course. Rather, the confrontation between the Russian Federation (USSR) and Israel just happened so historically, because Israel has long been focused on the United States. And here everything is completely incomprehensible to me. Well, someone and what the Russian Federation and Israel oppose - it looks almost crazy, given that in Russia there are a huge number of Jews and in Israel half of the population are either Russians or migrants, or from countries of the former USSR.
            If you want - minus my opinion, but if we are to speak, then, apart from claims to the Jewish oligarchs, in the Russian Federation as a whole there are no noticeable ethnic conflicts with Jews. It is possible to distinguish them in the Russian Federation, if only after learning the surname ... Of course, some people stir up in the framework of "liberalism" and "5th column", but in the mass everyone is quite apolitical, like other citizens of the Russian Federation. In addition, all the militants and mercenaries (without taking into account specialists - Jews, Russians, British, etc.) - are by no means Jews. I’m just honestly speaking from whom I would most likely expect a military threat. Neither NATO, nor the United States, nor even Israel will rush to Russia, and it is not worth pushing something too much. I do not consider it right to whip up a confrontation with Israel here, even if their goals contradict Russia's position. After all, it is not difficult to understand Israel either - throughout history it has been in a hostile environment of the Arab world and is waging wars, defending itself mainly by itself and with the support of the United States. Yes, if it were not for the United States, Israel would have been crushed and not helped by its forces. And since the United States supports Israel, it cannot but be friends with the United States. I think that if Israel or any other country could rely on the protection of Russia, they would be friends with Russia. And all the uncoupling superfluous srach-runs counter to the interests of Russia. We need to speak more objectively. Yes, on the one hand we understand Israel, but on the other, it just so happened that there is a confrontation. It would be nice if compromises were found. And "rattling atomic bombs" is, excuse me, idiocy ... Who he is, start minus ... I think I said a relatively objective view. Not pro-Israel or other subjective.
          4. vvvvv
            vvvvv 14 May 2013 06: 14
            -1
            By the way, here is the news on the topic - "Israel will offer to host the Mediterranean squadron of the Russian Navy" and "Egypt is going to a sharp aggravation of relations with Israel" (google or watch here in "Military materials"). It seems that the United States and Co. have made money on the BV, they are not exporting it, and now Russia will settle it ...
            Curious quotes: Rebels "married" Assad with the Zionists
            Against this backdrop, rebels in Syria unexpectedly announced that Tel Aviv and Bashar al-Assad are working together. They also managed to put the recent Israeli air strike on the outskirts of Damascus in the framework of their version. So, the commander of the insurgent Tauheed Brigade in Aleppo, Abdelkader Saleh, quoted by the Turkish newspaper Zaman, claims that the regime could not resist not only without the help of Iran and the Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah movement, but also Israel.
            According to the commander, "only Iran and Hezbollah continue the war in Syria," and Israel sees in Damascus a guarantor of the security of its borders. “Iran and Hezbollah are collaborating with Israel to support Assad. The Assad family has been protecting the Israeli borders for 40 years, ”Saleh emphasized. In his opinion, the recent Israeli strike on the outskirts of Damascus was in fact aimed at preventing the rebels from acquiring the weapons stored there.

            Objectively speaking, the war in Syria "annihilated" thousands of the most militant scumbags from all over the BV. Now Syria and Israel would well have gone to the staus quo with certain mutual guarantees. There was just a hope to knock out Syria and Iran, and now it is Russia that will become the guarantor of peace in the BV ...
  7. Far East
    Far East 12 May 2013 15: 14
    +7
    I apologize! I'm sitting, reading, I can’t understand. Are you a Russian Jew? would sit quietly who touches you? it is you who have occupied a foreign land! and who do you want to scare RUSSIA? somewhere I already heard it were such attempts by some. with respect.
  8. Skuto
    Skuto 12 May 2013 18: 43
    +3
    Yes, no, it's simple. For the Jews living in Israel, Assad and Syria, the enemies have more than a dozen years.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 12 May 2013 12: 39
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    Are you two under the same nickname?

    Maybe they just have one brain for two ... laughing
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 12: 46
      -4
      Quote: Arkan
      Maybe they just have one brain for two ...

      Better than living without a brain at all, how you succeed, I can’t imagine.)
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 May 2013 17: 40
    0
    So after all there is someone to attack. Why do we need this? "I am not actively arguing. I am only defending." The Russian sword is definitely too much. Here, with a huge excess, the Russian shield is enough ...
  • Van
    Van 12 May 2013 12: 30
    +1
    Quote: Toit
    So you try, and then say all the masters, and do not forget to wrap tightly in a white sheet)

    But we don’t have to try, God will reward everyone according to his deserts. lol
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 12: 33
      -7
      Quote: Wang
      But we don’t have to try, God will reward everyone according to their deserts.

      And you, as I understand it by the righteous, mow?
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 12 May 2013 17: 45
        +3
        In the sense of? Your claims to the territory that your state is currently occupying are based solely and exclusively on the texts of the RELIGIOUS book! If you do not comply with its requirements in any way, by what right are you sitting there? Here we are sorted out with our souls, but you must be a righteous man! Whose cow mumbled ...
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 09: 22
    +3
    Quote: djon3volta
    I remembered - if you throw one such bomb exactly in the middle of Israel, then you will definitely come to an end, final and irrevocable, once and for all!

    Too little, it is necessary to throw a couple of pieces to the USA. For there is "the second Israel".
    1. hrych
      hrych 12 May 2013 09: 59
      13
      Those. because of a handful of Jewish bankers and Walstreet financial machinists, do you need to destroy all ordinary Americans? Those. in due time because of the BAB, Khodorka, Livshits and other parasites that settled in the Kremlin, it is necessary to destroy the Russian people?
      1. wax
        wax 12 May 2013 10: 26
        10
        At one time, God solved this problem when deciding to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 10: 41
          -8
          Quote: Wax
          At one time, God solved this problem when deciding to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

          Read the Old Testament, the Jews were not there, roamed the desert before Egypt
          1. Oleg Rosskiyy
            Oleg Rosskiyy 12 May 2013 11: 06
            +9
            That's it, they have corrupted and rather get up on skis.
            1. Toit
              Toit 12 May 2013 11: 17
              -3
              Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
              That's it, they have corrupted and rather get up on skis.

              So don’t get corrupted, is it business, or are you having problems with this?
              1. Oleg Rosskiyy
                Oleg Rosskiyy 12 May 2013 11: 36
                +7
                Personally with me, this number will not work for you, it is the prerogative of the Jews to eat the fish and to ... sit, and without losing face, with his head held high.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 12 May 2013 15: 38
            0
            Quote: Toit
            And as I understand it .....

            There is no God, this is a human fantasy. And medicine confirms that Prayers, a person's appeal to God is quite normal, but if God turns to a person with dictation of his commandments, this is already a mental illness, schizophrenia. And what about the one who allegedly "brought" those 7 commandments?
  • hrych
    hrych 12 May 2013 09: 33
    16
    The complexes are mobile, they can work in a passive mode that does not unmask them, they will survive the first disarming strike and can cause unacceptable losses, the skills worked out by the Union in past conflicts with Jews. Hezbollah has not been cleared, it also presents a formidable threat and in reserve a multi-million Iran, which in the event of an attack on Syria will openly send its troops. Benya, although he is repenting, the initiative has been lost, both by the stability of the Assad regime, which was supposed to fall a couple of years ago, and by the failure of the cleansing of Hezbollah. The main problem is that in the White House it’s not Bush, but Barack Hussein and Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, who is anti-Semitic in your opinion. Not only that, the Chinese are building a fleet and the United States is shifting its forces to the East, they are not interested in Iran, and here Benya is arranging minor dirty tricks to attract attention to the sixth number.
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 May 2013 09: 37
      13 th
      Quote: hrych
      the skills worked out by the Union in past conflicts with Jews.

      Regarding skills, the former Israeli Air Force commander, David Ivry, tells how it was:
      1. hrych
        hrych 12 May 2013 09: 50
        16
        Here in detail:
        http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/lebanon-losses.htm
        http://www.centrasia.ru/news2.php?st=1154333820
        The main problem of Arabs' air defense is Arabs.
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2013 10: 02
          13 th
          Quote: hrych
          The main problem of Arabs' air defense is Arabs.

          There, Soviet advisers occupied all key positions starting from the battalion commander.
          1. hrych
            hrych 12 May 2013 10: 05
            +6
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%F0%F3%EF%EF%E0_%F1%EE%E2%E5%F2%F1%EA%E8%F5_%E2%
            EE%E5%ED%ED%FB%F5_%F1%EF%E5%F6%E8%E0%EB%E8%F1%F2%EE%E2_%E2_%D1%E8%F0%E8%E8
            A decent wikipedia article
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 May 2013 10: 06
            15
            Soviet advisers had the right to advise those locals who were in "all key positions starting from the battalion commander." Moreover, these advice were heeded only occasionally.
            1. Professor
              Professor 12 May 2013 10: 10
              13 th
              Search for the culprits? Mubarak being the Air Force commander blamed the Soviet advisers for the inability to fight. The fact, however, is the defeat of the Arabs.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 12 May 2013 10: 12
                12
                No, the reality. And here is the statement of Mubarak, the search for the guilty.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 12 May 2013 10: 18
                  12 th
                  You do not quite own the information. Sometimes Arabs actually acted as outside observers of how the Soviet military fought with the Israelis both on land and in the air.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 12 May 2013 10: 33
                    15
                    I own first-hand information. You are from the statues of your authors, which naturally exaggerate your achievements.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 12 May 2013 10: 40
                      -7
                      Dear, I grew up in a military town, a third of my house (my father's colleagues) served as advisers in the BV, mainly in Syria, less often in Egypt. They told a lot of interesting things ...
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 12 May 2013 10: 47
                      +9
                      I also grew up in military camps. And I have not only many neighbors, but my father was an advisor. True, in the DRA. However, I had the opportunity to speak with them "for life" not only as a schoolboy, but also as a cadet and then as a junior officer. So I understood perfectly well what it was about.
                      By the way, one of our teachers in the department of tactics spoke very unflattering about the command staff of the Syrian army.
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 12 May 2013 10: 52
                      11 th
                      Quote: Spade
                      By the way, one of our teachers in the department of tactics spoke very unflattering about the command staff of the Syrian army.

                      One does not interfere. The leadership of Syria is responsible for what happened there, but not only is it responsible, the advisers also did not always "advise something."
                    4. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 07
                      +8
                      A prime example: teachings. The 2C3 battery is working. The aiming point is 100 meters from your infantry. The advisor points out this, the safe distance line is 400m. The Syrian shoots anyway. Due to the incorrect meteorological average, the covering group flies away as much as half a km further. The Syrian officer looks victoriously at the adviser. While thinking about his "unprofessionalism".
                      And we would have to deal with military prosecutors for such things in those days.
                    5. hrych
                      hrych 12 May 2013 11: 37
                      15
                      A good example is the recent events in Georgia, I think there were not bad, glorified advisers from Israel and the United States, good military equipment, but this did not prevent the "brave" highlanders from fleeing, leaving their weapons behind. Whatever advisors are they are not a determining factor.
                    6. Professor
                      Professor 12 May 2013 11: 53
                      -7
                      A good example of recent events in Georgia

                      Not good, but great. There were tens and not tens of thousands of Soviet private (there were no military advisers at all) Israeli advisers. They did not participate in the hostilities. The most combat-ready Georgian units strangely ended up thousands of miles in Iraq.
                    7. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 00
                      +7
                      Looking for the culprit? Everyone knows that American and Israeli advisers "held all key positions starting from the battalion commander" (c)
                    8. Professor
                      Professor 12 May 2013 12: 17
                      -2
                      but did anyone see them, these Israeli Israeli advisers? laughing
                    9. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 20
                      +6
                      They disguised themselves as Georgians. It was just that. But Americans are harder. Especially the blacks. Before the war, imports of foundation by Georgia increased significantly
                    10. Toit
                      Toit 12 May 2013 12: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: Spade
                      It just was

                      I represent our "Moroccans" masquerading as Georgians)))
                    11. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 31
                      +4
                      Foundation works wonders. In case of lack of it, it was necessary to paint faces with white car paint from spray cans.
                    12. Toit
                      Toit 12 May 2013 12: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      Foundation works wonders. In case of lack of it, it was necessary to paint faces with white car paint from spray cans.

                      It’s funny))) our specialists were there, but not according to state supplies, but in the private organization of my former divisional commander (the name came out of my head)
          3. hrych
            hrych 12 May 2013 12: 08
            16
            An interesting commentary was posted on the militaripot forum by an American instructor Dominic:

            “Although they are dressed in uniforms similar to the American ones and some of them have American weapons, they are not even close to the US Army. Of the Georgian units that I have seen, only the Commandos had some kind of discipline. The regular units had SEVERE discipline problems. they stole anything and everything they could get to, including radios and antennas installed on HMMWVs ("hummers"), which were driven by sergeants who worked with them as instructors. When complaints were made to him, their commander pretended to be innocent until The instructor sergeant did not say that they would not receive more from the US military until his equipment was returned, when it "magically" appeared that night.

            In Kuwait, they were constantly caught stealing from other parts, they broke into shipping containers to steal ready-made rations and uniforms, many of them were caught stealing uniforms from garrison shops, they burned several buildings because they smoked in places where they smoke prohibited, etc. etc. Until they rake their own, God forbid, that they were allowed to join NATO. "

          4. Don
            Don 13 May 2013 16: 34
            0
            Quote: Professor
            battle-worthy Georgian units strangely found themselves thousands of miles in Iraq.

            They are in August and returned. And it is interesting how these 2000 Georgian soldiers could radically change the course of the war?
          5. Professor
            Professor 13 May 2013 16: 43
            0
            Quote: Don
            They are in August and returned. And it is interesting how these 2000 Georgian soldiers could radically change the course of the war?

            They returned after the war. Panic and flight begin with one soldier. 2000 most trained and fired soldiers can change the weather.
          6. Genady1976
            Genady1976 13 May 2013 17: 14
            0
            Though millions, we will grind into minced meat.
          7. Don
            Don 13 May 2013 17: 50
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            2000 of the most trained and fired soldiers can change the weather.

            They fought against partisans in Iraq, and not regular troops with armored vehicles and the support of artillery and aircraft. And how much did they shoot there? There were few clashes. And how would they specifically change the weather? Would delay the advance of the troops of the Russian Federation for an hour or two?
          8. Professor
            Professor 13 May 2013 17: 54
            0
            The defenders of the Brest Fortress and 28 Panfilovites for a long time detained a superior enemy in numbers.
          9. Genady1976
            Genady1976 13 May 2013 18: 03
            +1
            Well, you compared HEROES with a bunch ----------.
          10. Professor
            Professor 13 May 2013 18: 19
            0
            Heroes are not born, they become.
          11. Genady1976
            Genady1976 13 May 2013 18: 29
            0
            But not everyone is given the chance to become a hero and entim 2000 and even more so
      2. Don
        Don 14 May 2013 17: 05
        0
        Quote: Professor
        The defenders of the Brest Fortress and 28 Panfilovites for a long time detained a superior enemy in numbers.

        They detained specifically on one small section of the front, most of the forces calmly bypassed them. And not a very correct comparison. The fighting spirit was then among Soviet soldiers and the fighting spirit of Georgian soldiers. Enough already trying to fence off these warriors. By not the first time I talked to you, I can judge that you judge biased. The Russian Federation is always lucky for you, and Israel is not really cool in everything. I understand that you are an Israeli citizen, but still you need to be more objective. Although in some ways you are right. You can recall the Second Lebanon War.
      3. Professor
        Professor 14 May 2013 18: 10
        0
        In Ossetia, there was nowhere to go around much; it was not Belarus. it was necessary to block the Roki tunnel and everything could go differently.

        Enough already trying to fence off these warriors.

        How can they block out their cowardly flight?

        The Russian Federation is always lucky for you, and Israel is not really cool in everything.

        I never said anything like that.

        You can recall the Second Lebanon War.

        Remembered already 100 times. Tsakhal fulfilled his tasks and not at the cost of numerous casualties. You better remember the 2008th year of Gaza.
      4. Don
        Don 15 May 2013 11: 08
        0
        Quote: Professor
        In Ossetia, there was nowhere to go around much; it was not Belarus. it was necessary to block the Roki tunnel and everything could go differently.

        So, who was stopping them? 20 thousand could not do this, but 2 thousand would have done? Infantry is infantry, and from these two thousand, even more experienced ones, there will be no more equipment in the Air Force and Air Defense. Even if they would still block the Roki tunnel. This would delay the end of the war a little, for a couple of days. It would not be a little hurt to land an assault in Poti and launch an offensive from Abkhazia. As soon as aviation cope with the air defense and air forces of Georgia, it would immediately ram down all those who blocked the Roki tunnel.
        Quote: Professor
        Remembered already 100 times. Tsakhal fulfilled his tasks and not at the cost of numerous casualties.

        Partially completed. One of the goals was to destroy Hezbollah’s infrastructure and its leadership. Infrastructure is not completely destroyed, management too. And the buffer zone that Israel wanted to create, as such, is not there either.
        Quote: Professor
        You better remember the 2008th year of Gaza.

        And what exactly is there to remember?
      5. Professor
        Professor 15 May 2013 11: 43
        0
        Of course, Georgia could not defeat Russia, but at least could avoid such a shameful defeat.

        Quote: Don
        One of the goals was to destroy Hezbollah’s infrastructure and its leadership. Infrastructure is not completely destroyed, management too. And the buffer zone that Israel wanted to create, as such, is not there either.

        Read the war goals voiced by Olmert in the Knesset. Most of them were achieved despite the mess that reigned in the first weeks of the war. The main goals set: the return of calm to the northern border and the restoration of intimidation were achieved. The proof of this is the unprecedented seven-year peace. No one set the task of creating a buffer zone. It was abandoned in the year 2000. They demanded the deployment of UN forces and got it. After the war (Vinograd report), conclusions were drawn and shortcomings were corrected, and as a result, the operation in Gaza in 2008 went like a book.
  • bulgurkhan
    bulgurkhan 12 May 2013 10: 30
    +2
    Professor, what is this story with the downed Hawkeye in 1982? Is it confirmed?
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 May 2013 10: 49
      -9
      Not confirmed.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 08
        +5
        Himself fell? Or even burned out at the airport?
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2013 11: 54
          -4
          Debris seen tail number? wink
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 01
          +3
          A plane shot down over the sea?
        3. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2013 12: 18
          -2
          Now it’s clear why over the sea, debris cannot be presented. repeat Well, at least with a tail number, indulge in something.
        4. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 23
          +1
          Strange, but I always thought that decked planes fly over the sea. Especially such as Hockey
        5. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2013 13: 19
          -1
          It was they in America that were decked, but in Israel there were no decks of the appropriate size for them, so they became land. Nevertheless, this does not resolve the issue of the side number of the allegedly downed E-2C.

          Was there a boy? wink
        6. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 16: 35
          0
          So like the American failed, and with an aircraft carrier. I heard this from fly swatter
        7. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2013 16: 38
          0
          I won’t argue here; I don’t have any information. request
        8. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 16: 46
          0
          The fly-swatters talked about this case when they spat on the withdrawal from service of the S-200. A year of commercials in 96-97. At that time, its range far exceeded the range of our other complexes.

          Failed up and the Americans were forced to take the AUG away from the coast of Lebanon. There was no talk of Israel.
  • Don
    Don 13 May 2013 16: 55
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Debris seen tail number?

    And who and how should have known, before knocking down, the side number of the aircraft? In general, you have a unique logic. We must believe your words about the warring advisers, although these are only your words, without evidence. And here you immediately show the number. The USA and Israel, as well as other states, underestimate, underestimate and will underestimate losses. Until the shot down plane is shown on the video, they deny everything to the last.
  • Professor
    Professor 13 May 2013 17: 01
    0
    Tales in Israel it is impossible to hide the loss of even one soldier. All the dead are known by name.
    Without giving evidence, one can argue about the downing of thousands of aircraft and the capture of 2-x thousand pilots. Could even the KGB not recognize the side number of the downed aircraft? wink
  • Don
    Don 13 May 2013 17: 52
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Tales in Israel it is impossible to hide the loss of even one soldier

    Why is it impossible? More specifically impossible?
    Quote: Professor
    Could even the KGB not recognize the side number of the downed aircraft?

    Well, how would they know? So I don’t understand something.
  • Professor
    Professor 13 May 2013 18: 03
    0
    Can. The country is small, almost everyone serves up to 40 years. Lists of all the dead (not approximate, but up to a single fighter) are published. Every day of independence, the entire list is read out on the first TV channel. If suddenly a family, neighbors or colleagues notice the absence of at least one name, then they will raise such a buzz in the press that the Minister of Defense will fly away from his post.
    On the eve of Memorial Day: 23.085 killed in the Israeli wars
    On the eve of Memorial Day, the Ministry of Defense reports that the number of soldiers killed in Israeli wars has reached 23.085 people

    Quote: Don
    Well, how would they know? So I don’t understand something

    Elementary, Irailai had 5 Hokaev, board numbers xxx, left 4 with board numbers uuu, there is no board number zzz.
  • igor67
    igor67 12 May 2013 16: 19
    +4
    Quote: Spade
    Soviet advisers had the right to advise those local

    In 83, a new teacher came to us in terms of NVP. The lieutenant colonel was a military adviser in Syria. He brought us showed three orders of Syria from Pope Assad and such a large diploma for three aircraft he personally shot down.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 May 2013 16: 47
      +2
      Fly-shoot down is one thing. Command is another.
      1. igor67
        igor67 12 May 2013 16: 51
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        Fly-shoot down is one thing. Command is another.

        He forgot to mention he was not a pilot. He shot Arrow out of an ambush (according to his story), since they flew at the same time.
  • hrych
    hrych 12 May 2013 11: 09
    23
    When in the 21st century, having an example of the defeat of Iraq, Libya, who was fattening from oil, like Syria, in fact, did not deign to be equipped with modern air defense systems, even if the Chinese counter-attack, again, apparently, Russian specialists are to blame? All Arab military leaders and specialists studied at our academies and schools, like the Vietnamese, but some of them kicked the ass of the French, and then America itself, and having superiority in all positions, they could not bang the small frail Israel. To the teeth, armed Iraq attacked non-Arab Iran and received in full. So non-Arab Hezbollah, unlike the Palestinians, was able to give you a rebuff. In the Arab-Israeli conflicts, I am not inclined to exaggerate the skills and morale of the Jews (although it cannot be denied), but rather the mediocrity of the Arabs. In the video you quoted, a Jewish pilot speaks well of achieving psychological superiority, which is next to fighting spirit, which the Arabs have a clear deficit. It’s fortunate that your neighbors are not warlike Germans and freedom-loving Vietnamese, namely Arabs.
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    1. Professor
      Professor 12 May 2013 10: 25
      -8
      Short and rude. You probably have something to say, but you are shy. Dare, we will not laugh.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 11: 33
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Dare, we will not laugh.

        sometimes I’m wondering why foreigners get into Russian Internet sites, in the settings of the site’s profile it’s possible to change the flag manually, and that’s bad !!! I think if the commentator’s country from which it is automatically determined, then I’ll be 100% I’m sure that all agents of influence would have come up at once! It would have immediately become clear who is from Russia and who is not, and most importantly those who are NOT from Russia would have seen what they write about Putin and all kinds of rallies.
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 11: 51
          +7
          Quote: djon3volta
          I sometimes wonder why foreigners

          I have Russian citizenship, can I sit here? crying
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 12 May 2013 12: 24
            +3
            Quote: Toit
            I have Russian citizenship, can I sit here?

            you can’t help but that’s not the point - why are you here, that’s the question! why do you foreigners get into the Runet and teach us how to live? why do you teach how and for whom to vote, why do you impose what we don’t need!What do you all need to see here? I don’t understand ??? that you bust your nose into our politics am Why are these NGOs needed in Russia? If only I knew that we have NGOs in the city, I know what I would do, I know for sure! am
            1. Babon
              Babon 12 May 2013 13: 04
              +2
              Well, he replied that he was a Russian. Like it or not, de facto he is not a foreigner. And the question is, what would you do with the NPO department? Would you set the door on fire? Or something else?
            2. Toit
              Toit 12 May 2013 13: 32
              +6
              I teach you how to live? Do what you want, vote for whoever you want, it’s for me that NGOs got to work, I’m not one of them, the topic is not discussed in Russia, but Syria and Israel, including here below, you saw at least one of my posts in the topic about Medvedev?
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 03
          +2
          But it’s just NOT OUR that will run, but THEM. I was banned on a previous Syrian topic. 4 warnings for 5 minutes and two days of rest. Just after he mated with the rejoins of the pro-coolant or his clones.
          And when he asked why, they told me that I was not smart. So everything is correct. They just have to explain to us that we are nobody and have to come to terms with this. Or banned. So do not suffer from illusions.
        3. Rumata
          Rumata 12 May 2013 17: 26
          +2
          Quote: djon3volta
          I sometimes wonder - why do foreigners get into the Russian Internet, on Russian sites?

          Russian or Russian speakers? Or are they all the same Russian?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 13 May 2013 00: 17
            0
            Although your picture doesn’t mean anything, because a server that uses a Russian site may not necessarily be in Russia, it just happened on the Web (although if so, the work is too artisanal). But, in general, thanks for the support, sometimes even Jews can do something for some reason :).
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 13 May 2013 00: 56
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              Although your picture doesn’t mean anything, because a server that uses a Russian site may not necessarily be in Russia, it just happened on the Web (although if so, the work is too artisanal). But, in general, thanks for the support, sometimes even Jews can do something for some reason :).

              For this reason, I asked again if the commentator had scolded for calling a site whose domain is located in Germany, Russian or Russian, which is at least stupid. It’s even more stupid to point out to visitors that it’s not at all clear what they are doing on Russian-Russian-Orthodox-Slavic sites ...
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 13 May 2013 05: 05
                0
                As a matter of fact. I would not see anything wrong with the fact that it is the Russian site located on the German domain. The main minus is that on occasion they could be removed for being too Russian. But capitalism dictates its own rules, maybe it’s cheaper there or something. I had in mind the site administration policy. In this case, the actions of the administration speak for themselves. So you, of course, are right, but only for this particular site. By and large, on a Russian site with real, not declared, Russian politics, such a question would not even have arisen and you all or almost all would have been banned for a long time. For denigrating Russia and for inciting ethnic hatred.
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 12 May 2013 15: 33
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Dare, we will not laugh.

        Of course it will. Kutnim. Everything else is in front ...
  • beard999
    beard999 12 May 2013 14: 40
    +5
    Quote: Toit
    Author, you forgot the Israeli raid on the nuclear center in 2007 after which planes flew over Assad’s palace with a wave of wings

    Have you decided to tell Israeli folk tales? What you call “a flight over Assad’s palace” happened in June 2006. And if, from this event, the slag of Israeli propaganda is removed, then in fact, 2 F-16 fighters flew near the Syrian coast near the location of Assad's summer residence in Latakia http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2006- 06-28-syria-israel_x.htm. The raid on Al-Kibar (which the Israelis, by the way, have still not recognized), was carried out more than a year later, in September 2007. There is no relationship between these events.
    Well, and most importantly, another. Actually what modern air defense systems were, in 2006-2007. the Syrians? List, do not be shy? You apparently forgot that it was after this that Assad began to purchase truly modern Russian complexes (Pantsir-C1, Buk-M2E). Remember how much hysteria was about this in Tel Aviv?
  • Don
    Don 13 May 2013 16: 13
    0
    Quote: Toit
    to the nuclear center in 2007 after which planes flew over Assad’s palace with a wave of their wings, it’s for efficiency.

    These are already fairy tales. The raid of course was a success, but about Assad’s palace this is nonsense.
  • horoh
    horoh 12 May 2013 08: 21
    10
    I have already said, but I repeat: We urgently need to help Syria by supplying advanced military equipment, and the creation of inter-brigades. With all due respect to Assad, he alone will not cope. And about the squealing of the West, yes, we saw them on hu ....... (to put it mildly) wink
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 06
      +1
      Inter-brigades and weapons helped the Spaniards a lot against the fascists Franco? It is necessary to introduce the CSTO and SCO peacekeeping forces there. Only this way and not otherwise. And all at once, both forum and informal and American Jews will sit on the backside.
    2. shadhk
      shadhk 12 May 2013 22: 54
      +2
      Specially registered that, plus a comment. I agree with you completely.
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 12 May 2013 08: 25
    10
    Of course, SYRIA IS ABLE TO PROTECT RESISTANCE TO AGGRESSORS.
    Notice where the USA and NATO suppresses the morale and will of the DEFENDED PARTY with the help of FALSE distributed in the media, as a rule, their victories occur.
    Rioter ALREADY BURNED SYRIA APRIORI as well as HITLER RUSSIA in 1941.
    And I affirm, and the whole story confirms this THERE WHERE RESISTANCE TO THE AGGRESSOR acquires a desperate and merciless character there VICTORY to them not to see as their ears.
    Proper organization of air defense work competent commanders and soldiers, as well as good intelligence against the ENEMY (ISRAEL AND TURKEY) can cause them DAMAGE INCOMPATIBLE WITH EASY VICTORIES.
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 09: 04
      -2
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      Proper organization of air defense work competent commanders and soldiers as well as good intelligence against

      So where to get all this in a civil war?
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 09: 24
        13
        Quote: Toit
        So where to get all this in a civil war?

        What kind of civil war? External intervention and nothing else. And about where to get it, you don’t worry so much.
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 10: 43
          13 th
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          . And about where to get, you don’t worry so much.

          So far they have not found, everyone is looking for.
          Seek, ye will fathom
      2. Stas
        Stas 12 May 2013 10: 26
        16
        This is not a civil war !!! This is the war of the Syrian patriots for their homeland with gangs of mercenaries and pro-American helpers.
  • Stas
    Stas 12 May 2013 08: 36
    +5
    Russia is simply obliged to help Syria with modern weapons. Otherwise, all this American gang-watering will stir up water at the Russian borders.
  • Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 12 May 2013 08: 37
    13
    If you were planning to defend the S-300 from Israel, then when you set these systems on duty, you must close the sky of Lebanon and partially of Israel. Like someone in the sky over Israel near the border or in Lebanon immediately shoot down. If again they are afraid to shoot over a foreign country, again the Jews will not bomb the Syrian airspace.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 09: 28
      +5
      You need a comprehensive system, in conjunction with-300, the same tori or shells, as well as needles that will cover themselves with-300. And competent arrangement in connection with a difficult relief, one saves Israel mountains. If Syria had a powerful air force, then the mountains would become a defense for raids on the Syrian side, but alas.
      1. Toit
        Toit 12 May 2013 10: 44
        -3
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        one saves Israel mountains

        I can’t take you))) and Russia is saved by size and climate, so according to YOURSELF?
    2. Little thing
      Little thing 12 May 2013 09: 57
      +1
      so I think that if you don’t knock over someone else’s territory, then there will be little sense from all the complexes, because the Israelis will shoot rockets and bombs from their or neighboring territory and rub their hands. another question is how to bring down the necessary planes, and not those that just flew by, otherwise you won’t be able to stink. Interestingly, can radar bombs detect missiles and bombs at the time of separation from the carrier aircraft and continue to accompany them, or can they only stupidly track the aircraft themselves?
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 12 May 2013 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: Ethish
        Interestingly, can radar bombs detect missiles and bombs at the time of separation from the carrier aircraft and continue to accompany them, or can they only stupidly track the aircraft themselves?

        More likely no than yes. The rocket has a very small effective reflective surface, except perhaps a tiny serif flashes a couple of times. It’s easier to bring down anyone who is heading for the state border. But again, all advanced radars will be destroyed by the first blows.
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 12 May 2013 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: Ethish
        poshny radars are capable of detecting missiles and bombs at the time of separation from the carrier aircraft

        An experienced operator can detect missile launch.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 May 2013 08: 39
    +5
    And yet I think that Syria is not Libya, and the Syrians will drive more than a dozen aircraft into the ground. Well, it would be great, and most importantly, to help them to get modern air defense from us.
  • AK44
    AK44 12 May 2013 08: 40
    11
    Thank God, Syria has not yet been subjected to massive bombing! If exposed, then the Syrians will have few chances, because forces will be too unequal. The question is different. Why didn’t I Syrian air defense work? After all, the article says that the air defense of Syria is quite on the level. Not super modern, but not completely backward.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 14
      0
      Because they shot from Lebanon.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 12 May 2013 08: 53
    +2
    and is the Syrian Air Force capable of suddenly attacking Israel, in the same scenario as Israel did? Does Syria have such planes? A combat wing from 4-6 MIG-29 is capable of such an attack? Or are there dryers needed?
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 09: 05
      -5
      Quote: djon3volta
      and is the Syrian Air Force capable of suddenly attacking Israel, in the same scenario as Israel did? Does Syria have such planes? A combat wing from 4-6 MIG-29 is capable of such an attack? Or are there dryers needed?

      The Syrian Air Force possess an instant of 29, but otherwise it's just a quiet horror
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 09: 39
        +4
        Quote: Toit
        The Syrian Air Force possess an instant of 29, but otherwise it's just a quiet horror

        you'd better answer SPECIFICALLY to my question, if you do not know the EXACT answer, why then do you write not in the subject?
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 10: 46
          -1
          Quote: djon3volta

          you'd better answer SPECIFICALLY to my question, if you do not know the EXACT answer, why then do you write not in the subject?

          Not you, but you, you and I didn’t drink on the Brudershaft, a gugel to help as they say
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D
          0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D
          1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8
          compare with ours, laugh together
        2. igor67
          igor67 12 May 2013 16: 39
          0
          on the video you can see which cars. in the hangar most likely still operating
          1. Don
            Don 13 May 2013 17: 09
            0
            Quote: igor67
            on the video you can see which cars. in the hangar most likely still operating

            Actually, it’s not clear which cars are in the hangar. And after turning the camcorder, the MiG-17s are completely reminded that they are not on the Syrian air force. In general, a military airfield is a little like it. Rather, just hangars. Besides where is the evidence that captured? Just that they could break into the airfield, shoot a video and go back does not prove anything.
    2. Normal
      Normal 12 May 2013 09: 55
      -2
      Quote: djon3volta
      Syrian air force is able to suddenly attack Israel

      There was once a comparison of the armed conflict between Arabs and Israel; if an Arab from a slingshot knocked out a glass in a window from a Jew, then a Jew takes a club and takes out the entire window frame to the Arab.
      So it will be in the event of a sudden attack by the Syrian Air Force on Israel. After such an attack, it will be impossible to recall Syria's air defense and air forces anymore.
      1. dmitrich
        dmitrich 12 May 2013 10: 16
        +2
        You’re fucking bullshit, Palestinian homemade products fly by, what is their air defense?
    3. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 10: 26
      +7
      Quote: djon3volta
      and is the Syrian Air Force capable of suddenly attacking Israel, in the same scenario as Israel did? Does Syria have such planes? A combat wing from 4-6 MIG-29 is capable of such an attack? Or are there dryers needed?


      Syria will not be able to compete with the Israeli Air Force, so to speak for those equipped, such sorties will not last long. Israel has about 300 modern fighters, Syria 52 instantly-29, the alignment is not in favor of Syria.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 10: 47
        0
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        Israel has about 300 modern fighters, Syria 52 mig-29, the alignment is not in favor of Syria.

        it’s clear that these planes are more than technical ones about a surprise attack, I ask if the Syrian air forces can suddenly attack Israeli targets and flee to their territory without loss? Will the Israeli air defense detect an approach of the Syrian air force?
        1. Babon
          Babon 12 May 2013 10: 55
          +5
          Do you know what will happen after such an attack by the Syrian Air Force? It will be shouted to the whole world that they have violated sovereignty, and this will give the West a reason to openly create a no-fly zone over Syria, at least.
        2. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 10: 57
          +6
          Quote: djon3volta
          it’s clear that these planes are more than technical ones about a surprise attack, I ask if the Syrian air forces can suddenly attack Israeli targets and flee to their territory without loss? Will the Israeli air defense detect an approach of the Syrian air force?

          Let's just say, different situations are possible, but losses cannot be avoided, tk. will need to go directly into Israeli airspace. This tactic will not bring the desired result. Rather, on the contrary, the UN will gush with a fountain of crocodiles with tears that "the terrible Assad attacked poor Israel, who democratically bombed Syria," and this is where it starts. Roughly speaking, at the moment it is dangerous for Syria to respond to these provocations.
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 12 May 2013 11: 45
            -3
            Quote: Phantom Revolution
            Roughly speaking, at the moment, responding to these provocations is dangerous for Syria.

            this is understandable, but the Syrian Air Force still has the opportunity to unexpectedly attack and destroy some objects in Israel, although with losses it can destroy something. And if you imagine such a scenario, the Syrian scouts have accurately established the location of the Israeli nuclear weapons that they have and launched missile bombs strikes at these depots, completely (or partially) destroyed the stockpiles of nuclear weapons of Israel, then what will happen? wassat
            1. Babon
              Babon 12 May 2013 11: 49
              +2
              Why should I write such a thing? For what? What is our fantasy site here?
            2. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 12: 30
              +3
              Syria will have such a chance, if they attack first, that they will not do it 100%.
              Even if some part is destroyed, it will not affect anything. And only will untie the hands of the west. Do you think Turkey, the Arab League, the United States and Israel will stop this? All of them benefit from the fall of Iran, they have poured too much money and if Iran acquires nuclear weapons, this will put to naught all attempts to dominate the United States and its allies in the region. Therefore, if the Russian Federation does not intervene in Syria, the question will be not "will it attack?", But "when will it attack?"
            3. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 12 May 2013 18: 04
              0
              Amer will deliver more, by air, within a matter of hours. You don’t think that you yourself built everything in Israel? Such a scenario makes sense in a massive attack on a country, otherwise it is just stupid. And attacking Israel is a last resort. For Syria, the most extreme ...
            4. reichsmarshal
              reichsmarshal 12 May 2013 22: 52
              0
              Nothing will come of it. Israel’s nuclear facilities are unknown even to the GRU and the CIA. Moreover, this raid will not cause any damage to the military power of Israel. Modern Hel Haavir will tear even the American carrier squadron to shreds if it decides to attack Tel Aviv.
            5. Rioter
              Rioter 13 May 2013 00: 21
              0
              Quote: djon3volta
              it’s understandable, but the Syrian Air Force still has the opportunity to unexpectedly attack and destroy some objects in Israel, although with losses it can destroy something. And if you imagine such a scenario, the Syrian scouts have accurately established the location of the Israeli nuclear weapons that they have and launched missile bombs strikes at these depots, completely (or partially) destroyed the stockpiles of nuclear weapons of Israel, then what will happen? wassat


              Well, let's fantasize together once you want to.
              1. where nobody knows their nuclear weapons. most likely in anti-nuclear bunkers and submarines.
              2. Mossad will know about the attack, as well as when it will take place, what goals are set, and which pilots will perform this action earlier than Assad.
              3. Half of the pilots will be bought in advance. And taking off, they will turn aside to Jordan and hijack their planes to Amman. And so we have only half the moment left.
              4. The second half of the flies making an entry into the territory of Israel are passed into the depths of the Israeli air defense and when the link in the airspace of Israel, they are all ambushed as sparrows by rocket launchers and pilots of the airborne wing. 5. After such an attack by Syria, a massive MLRS strike in just a few hours, the Israelis within a radius of 150-250 km will ruin all major bases, airfields, radars, all known positions of air defense calculations, known positions of Syrian electric substation rockets, fuel depots, clusters large units of the Syrian army.
              6. And in parallel with this, the very same 300 "modern Israeli aircraft" will operate in Syria, pouring tons of precision bombs every two hours into this whole orgy.

              And apparently Assad also has a fantasy. Therefore, he preferred once again to warn and promise to answer, but another time.
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 15
          0
          I think that from their territory, if they get missiles. What they have for air-to-ground is not in the know.
        4. reichsmarshal
          reichsmarshal 12 May 2013 22: 48
          -1
          Such an attack is impossible in today's times. To attack Israel, Syrian Air Force planes must fly over the Golan Heights, which will interfere with Syrian ground radio technology. services to manage them. At the same time, the Israeli RTV units in the Golan Heights will detect the Syrian MiGs on takeoff, and Hawk-Ai AWACS aircraft will immediately take off into the sky, which will make Assad's aircraft easy targets. Moreover, the Syrian Air Force does not have modern airborne missile systems (such as RVV-AE or AMRAAM). They will be shot before they see the enemy.
  • heavytank
    heavytank 12 May 2013 08: 56
    +7
    one thing is clear: if Syria falls Putin will lose. It will be defeated if Russia does not supply Syria with the S-300 and experienced specialists. Explosions occurred in Turkey yesterday, now the bombing will be for sure. The CIA did it, now it is waiting for an answer from Turkey.
    1. AK44
      AK44 12 May 2013 10: 32
      +6
      Quote: heavytank
      one thing is clear: if Syria falls Putin will lose.

      What does Putin have to do with it ?! Today he is, tomorrow not. Russia will lose, it is a fact. Because after Syria, this abomination will climb to us.
      1. Babon
        Babon 12 May 2013 10: 58
        +3
        First of all, this abomination with Shiites in Iraq will begin to be dealt with. and most of all Iran will lose from this, well, Russia will also lose a lot. And yes, some part of this abomination will trample in Russia.
      2. hrych
        hrych 12 May 2013 11: 21
        +7
        No one, no where will climb. If you have forgotten, Russia has already waged a war in the Caucasus and defeated gangs with the elimination of leaders and Wahhabi internationalists. This scenario was not tested in Libya and Syria, it was tested with Russia. Another matter is Wed Asia, this is where it should be feared.
        1. Babon
          Babon 12 May 2013 11: 27
          +4
          I wrote this about the return of the jihadists, but still someone will return. These will already come with brainwashed, well, yes, they won’t be able to directly criminalize the situation.
          1. hrych
            hrych 12 May 2013 11: 57
            +3
            Let's hope that if someone comes back, then with his arms and legs torn off, and preferably with his head torn off.
    2. DRUG DRUG
      DRUG DRUG 12 May 2013 19: 15
      +1
      Quote: heavytank
      Explosions occurred in Turkey yesterday, now the bombing will be for sure. The CIA did it, now it is waiting for an answer from Turkey.

      Yes, the media has already reported that Turkey has accused Syria of organizing terrorist attacks.
  • dominion
    dominion 12 May 2013 08: 57
    19
    Lord, save Syria, the Syrian people and Bashar al-Assad from the Jewish fascists, well, please!
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 09: 12
      -9
      Quote: dominion
      Lord, save Syria, the Syrian people and Bashar al-Assad from the Jewish fascists, well, please!

      Are you a fan of Arsenal? ask who is the boss of your team, well, please?
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: Toit
        Are you a fan of Arsenal? ask who is the boss of your team, well, please?

        Have something to say on the topic?
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 10: 48
          -1
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Have something to say on the topic?

          Of course, Saudi Arabia, which supports the USA, Israel and Turkey, owns the Arsenal, in fact, the person says one thing, but he supports the other side, insanity however.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 11: 05
            +4
            Quote: Toit
            Of course, Saudi Arabia, which supports the USA, Israel and Turkey, owns the Arsenal, in fact, the person says one thing, but he supports the other side, insanity however.

            Sport is out of politics. Or in the Arsenal they call for the overthrow of Assad, they say about the introduction of Sharia in the whole world?)
            1. Toit
              Toit 12 May 2013 11: 08
              -3
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              Sport is out of politics. Or in the Arsenal they call for the overthrow of Assad, they say about the introduction of Sharia in the whole world?)

              By supporting the Arsenal, you are supporting the Saudis with the same money (NOT what they lack)
          2. Don
            Don 13 May 2013 17: 15
            0
            Quote: Toit
            Of course, Arsenal is owned by Saudi,

            Arsenal owners:
            25% - Alisher Usmanov (Red & White Holdings)
            20,5% - Stan Kroenke
            16,1% - Danny Fiszman
            15,9% - Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith
            4,4% - Richard Carr
            0,8% - Peter Hill-Wood
            0,08% - Lord Harris of Peckham
            0,07% - Ken Frear
            0,06% - Sir Chips Keswick
            17,09% - The rest
            If you mean the company Emirates, then it is not from Saudi Arabia, but from the UAE. Maybe you mixed up with Manchester City, but it belongs to the Qatars.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 12 May 2013 11: 48
        +4
        Quote: Toit
        Oh please
        Please, “Arsenal don't have one rich owner like Chelsea. Forbes magazine estimates the club's value at $ 1,181 billion, second only to Manchester United and Real. the shares are owned by several entrepreneurs, and the shareholders do not invest a penny in Arsenal, but they do not receive dividends either.
        28,3% are American Stan Krunke, who owns several sports teams in the US (Denver in the NBA, Colorado in the NHL).
        24% is Red & White Holdings, a company one of whose owners is Russian Alisher Usmanov.
        16,1% - Danny Fizman, a London-based diamond entrepreneur.
        15,9% - Nina Bracewell-Smith, wife of the grandson of the former chairman of the board of directors of Arsenal (1949-1962), Sir Bracewell Smith.
        0,8% - Chairman of the Board of Directors of the club Peter Hill-Wood
        0,4% - other Arsenal executives
        14,5% - other shareholders holding too few shares. Among them is the former Arsenal player Ian Wright.http: //1football.com.ua/angliya/kto-vladeet-arsenalom.html
        - First, the Russian owner was in Portsmouth, then Chelsea and Abramovich, now Reading and Anton Zingarevich. Why are English clubs so popular with Russian businessmen?
        - Not only from them, English teams are in demand by absolutely everyone. As we recall, Arsenal has American owners, the same can be said for Liverpool. http://football.sport.ua/news/183961
        AND WHICH FROM THIS? BULL IN A Puddle? belay
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 12: 05
          -2
          But what about the moral background, the Americans are again your enemies, and you are for them, insulting)))
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 12 May 2013 14: 39
            +3
            Quote: Toit
            the Americans are your enemies again

            We use the terminology "probable enemy" winked
            Quote: Toit
            and you for them

            About preference and candelabra in the course? repeat
            Quote: Toit
            But what about the moral background

            In light of the above
            Quote: Toit
            24% is Red & White Holdings, a company one of whose owners is Russian Alisher Usmanov.

            IT IS CALLED A BLOCKING STOCK bully
          2. dominion
            dominion 12 May 2013 15: 19
            +2
            Yes, it’s not Americans who are our enemies and not English as such, we don’t need to turn arrows on them, they are all under the fifth of Jewish oligarchic families (Rothschilds, Sheffa, Kuna, Boruhi and other infections). Unfortunately, Russia is no exception. The USA is generally the reincarnated Khazaria, I believe.
      3. dominion
        dominion 12 May 2013 15: 11
        +1
        For me, Arsenal is, first of all, Arsen Wenger, Theo Walcott and Arsenal fans, and I’m not interested in any Kronke, Usmanovs or other bloodsuckers!
    2. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 13 May 2013 15: 14
      0
      There is no Lord, but plus.
  • DRUG DRUG
    DRUG DRUG 12 May 2013 09: 06
    +5
    Good article, good analysis. Thank. Yes, the Syrian air defense system is much stronger than Libya, and it will not be easy to take it. As we see, it consists of complexes of Soviet and Russian production, and so what, and we always knew how to use air defense systems. And they always did it competently and honestly. It is enough to recall that the American invisible plane F-117 was shot down in Yugoslavia by a missile of the S-125 air defense system, developed in the USSR in the 50s. Now they will deliver to Syria the latest modifications of the S-300 and the air defense will become even stronger. Yes, in general, the Syrian air defense system is not ideal in terms of countering threats. But it can be firmly said that it will be a very tough nut for the aggressor, let the aggressor prepare for serious losses. And in general, Israel is too defiant and aggressive. It's time to give him the teeth. If they turn up again, I think that Assad will keep his word and give a worthy rebuff. I am glad that Russia does not stand aside and helps Syria in many areas - from political support to military, informational and moral. It is very important.
  • DRUG DRUG
    DRUG DRUG 12 May 2013 09: 13
    +9
    And I would also support the idea of ​​sending Russian military specialists to Syria, as well as Russian missiles to manage the latest modifications of Russian-made air defense systems. We all understand that Syria is now the frontier of defense for Russia. And protecting Syria, we protect Russia.
  • Toit
    Toit 12 May 2013 09: 15
    -9
    Quote: DRUG DRUG
    Israel is too defiant and aggressive. It's time to give him the teeth

    They would have given it, otherwise continuous talk and threats, in 2007 Assad did not stop at least firing at Israel, and he swallowed, today, the Syrian threats are not even funny, let them try to deal with the Turks.
    1. wax
      wax 12 May 2013 10: 34
      14
      So your teeth are actually not yours, but staffing. We learned about the possible deliveries of the S-300 to Syria and to Washington with a complaint that the balance of power will change. Patriots in Turkey, in Jordan - they do not change the balance, but the S-300 change. Beating a less armed opponent is your motto.
      1. Toit
        Toit 12 May 2013 10: 49
        13 th
        Quote: Wax
        So your teeth are actually not yours, but staffing. We learned about the possible deliveries of the S-300 to Syria and to Washington with a complaint that the balance of power will change. Patriots in Turkey, in Jordan - they do not change the balance, but the S-300 change. Beating a less armed opponent is your motto.

        In 67, too, were the states?
        And in 73, the USSR already demanded that Israel stop, so it turned out that their teeth were not their own, but Russian
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 22
          +1
          Of course, all weapons, read the staff.
        2. reichsmarshal
          reichsmarshal 12 May 2013 23: 01
          0
          Little detail! In 1967, the Arabs DID NOT PLAN to attack. The thesis about the preventive nature of the Six Day War is a fiction in order to whitewash the aggressor. Anyone who knows at all what Arabs are will only laugh at the fact that "Arabs are planning ..." For they, in principle, are not capable of planning anything. And in 1973 Israel won only because Anwar Sadat PERSONALLY FORBIDDEN to attack and bomb the crossings of A. Sharon's division (although the possibility of such a thing was documented). The failed attack on the Mitla Pass by the Egyptians was also undertaken by order of Sadat. Reason: Sadat's conversation with someone from the United States (probably personally with Nixon). By this time, Israel was already on its last legs.
    2. DRUG DRUG
      DRUG DRUG 12 May 2013 19: 36
      +2
      Quote: Toit
      They would have given it, otherwise continuous talk and threats, in 2007 Assad did not stop at least firing at Israel, and he swallowed, today, the Syrian threats are not even funny, let them try to deal with the Turks.

      In 2007, the question was not about Russia's security and it did not intervene. And now the situation has changed. Russia, and all interested parties, understand that the fall of Syria will directly affect the strategic alignment of forces and there will be a very serious threat to Russia. Therefore, Russia, to one degree or another, will come out in the conflict on the side of Syria with serious support. And to fight with the Russians, it’s not for you to fight with the Arabs. No matter who is bragging about, and everyone is afraid of Russian soldiers, because they are fighting valiantly and courageously. And Russian weapons are the best in the world. By otmu after 2007, Syria has significantly strengthened its air defense system. So this conflict for Israel will not be an easy walk, definitely.
  • OTAKE
    OTAKE 12 May 2013 09: 22
    +6
    In Syria, it will be about the same)
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 May 2013 09: 49
      +4
      Right In Syria it will be like in Libya. Another country will be turned into an analogue of Somalia.
    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 12 May 2013 10: 10
      +4
      you think so, Assad has been bleeding for two years.
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE 12 May 2013 10: 23
        13 th
        Quote: Dmitry
        you think so, Assad has been bleeding for two years.

        Rather, a little more than nothing was done in two years) no movement towards a settlement is visible)
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 10: 41
          10
          He fights with bandits, who are supported by a huge number of countries, including Turkey. So the fact that he holds for two whole years is a huge achievement.
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE 12 May 2013 10: 58
            10 th
            Quote: Spade
            He fights with bandits, who are supported by a huge number of countries, including Turkey. So the fact that he holds for two whole years is a huge achievement.

            What kind of army is Assad so incapable of coping with illiterate militias armed with AK47 and improvised missiles that gathered from different parts of the world who do not know the terrain, but with a couple of hundred dollars in their pocket, there is a civil war in Syria and it’s worth admitting money they do not solve anything there
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 27
              +7
              Take, for example, Turkey.
              How many decades can she not cope with illiterate Kurdish militias? With AKs and homemade rockets? And while not having such a huge financial, political, military-technical, intelligence and logistic support.

              How many times is the Turkish army worse than the Syrian army?

              Ps There is a civil war in Turkey, and it is worth recognizing.
              1. OTAKE
                OTAKE 13 May 2013 06: 56
                -3
                Quote: Spade
                Take, for example, Turkey.
                How many decades can she not cope with illiterate Kurdish militias? With AKs and homemade rockets? And while not having such a huge financial, political, military-technical, intelligence and logistic support.

                Take for example Russia (Chechnya), or the USSR (Afghanistan), or take Israel (West Bank, Gaza Strip) and what’s the civil war and the army’s inability everywhere? How many Russia bombed Chechnya? What changed?

                Ps There is a civil war in Turkey, and it is worth recognizing.

                Tryndets will soon listen to you like America, they already live in poor slums, and they don’t even have televisions to watch Russia rise from its knees.
                Peace Damascus:

                And absorbed in the civil war Ankara

                The Turks did not even guess their own cities to bomb, unlike Syria and Russia.
                1. Don
                  Don 13 May 2013 17: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: OTAKE
                  The Turks did not even guess their own cities to bomb, unlike Syria and Russia.

                  The Turks didn’t even have to bomb Ankara. Kurds fought in the mountains in the east, and aircraft were used against them. And look at the photos of cities on the border. The Russian Federation, like Turkey, is fighting the separatists. Or didn’t Grozny need to be bombed?
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 24
              0
              They told you on another branch that there were not illiterate peasants fighting against Assad, but trained by Jewish and American instructors and well-armed fanatics.
              1. Irtysh
                Irtysh 12 May 2013 23: 07
                +2
                I wonder if they understand that these fanatics can simply be reoriented to war with Israel, Europe and America. It has already been repeatedly. Technology rolled back. For your own money, for yourself, and at your side. There are no words.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 13 May 2013 00: 20
                  +1
                  Well, ordinary Jews are not sorry for them. And the top can always be dumped in the USA or in Europe. They are not the first to substitute their own.
            3. DRUG DRUG
              DRUG DRUG 12 May 2013 19: 43
              +3
              Quote: OTAKE
              What kind of army is Assad so incapable of coping with illiterate militias armed with AK47 and improvised missiles, gathered from different parts of the world who do not know the terrain, but with a couple of hundred dollars in their pocket, there is a civil war in Syria

              1. These are not illiterate militias, but well-trained mercenaries;
              2. Mercenaries are armed with the most modern weapons, including satellite navigation and satellite communications;
              3. In Syria there is an external invasion of gangs, there is no civil war.
              4. Your comment is disinformation and provocation.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 23
          0
          So do not want a settlement of the Western powers.
      2. Toit
        Toit 12 May 2013 10: 50
        -7
        Quote: Dmitry
        you think so, Assad has been bleeding for two years.

        Us? I wonder how Israel is probably bombing?
        1. Норд
          Норд 12 May 2013 14: 14
          +6
          My dear, and you did not try to ask yourself the question why you Jews for thousands of years so ardently "love" all the peoples who in one way or another had to deal with you? If not, try, and only then, waving your Russian citizenship around, climb on a patriotic site and play the fool. I think the boundless support of Israel from the Jewish financial capital in the states will soon end, and then you will "sing" about a new Holocaust, etc., etc. At the same time, your state banditry in relation to others will end and they will begin to knead you in a serious way.
          1. Irtysh
            Irtysh 12 May 2013 23: 09
            +1
            They do not like them because of envy. Gee-gee-gee ...
            And so they are fluffy.
  • Professor
    Professor 12 May 2013 09: 22
    -6
    At present, Syria has very impressive forces and air defense systems. They are based on ground-based air defense systems. This is about 900 anti-aircraft missile systems for various purposes and more than 4000 anti-aircraft artillery shells from 23 to 100 mm, including about 300 ZSU-23-4 "Shilka". In addition, Syrian ground forces have more than 4000 calculations for the Strela-2, Strela-2М and Igla man-portable air defense systems.

    This is in the face value of 2 years ago. How many were killed or captured by militants? How many drugs have deserted?

    In total, the Syrian Air Force has about 400 combat aircraft.

    And here it should be said "it was".

    The article does not pull on the analysis. Minus. negative
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 09: 31
      +1
      How little on the case and how many "Arabian tales". Well, let's give you how much is left.)
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2013 09: 39
        11 th
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        How little on the case and how many "Arabian tales".

        You start throwing videos from YouTube where the militants are riding astronauts air defense systems or are they burning airfields? wink
        1. Phantom Revolution
          Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 10: 22
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          You start throwing videos from YouTube where the militants are riding astronauts air defense systems or are they burning airfields? wink

          If you know the answer to the question, then immediately answer briefly and on the case, but here leaving in the wilds is clear.
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2013 10: 28
            -9
            I know for sure that the aforementioned number of equipment is no longer in service with Syria. Nobody knows exactly how much is left, even the General Staff of Syria does not control the situation.
        2. Rink
          Rink 12 May 2013 10: 48
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          You start throwing videos from YouTube where the militants are riding astronauts air defense systems or are they burning airfields? wink

          Yeah ... And the videos were shot in the Qatari desert?
          We know, heard, saw.

          The West has learned to lie in the most arrogant manner.
          And Jewry takes a leading position here, in the role of teachers and instructors in lies. The Nazis, who pretend to be always offended, whose whole strength lies in the owner behind.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 09: 37
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      How many were killed or captured by militants? How many drugs have deserted?

      here’s the answer HOW MUCH! I’m asking in the next branch - how many Chinese are in the Far East - they answer MUCH, but how many do not say exactly, they give all sorts of calculations by different experts, but how many do not say anyway.
      so I want to ask you - how many were destroyed and how many deserted, and I ask you to say for sure - how many and what equipment was stolen and which specialists or military officers deserted, name the exact number.
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2013 09: 44
        -6
        Show orders? The key to the apartment where the money is also to give?
        Ask the author of the article, because he is the first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, a doctor of military sciences, and he does not take into account things that are obvious even to a school student (like losing equipment).
    3. Canep
      Canep 12 May 2013 09: 51
      +6
      Good day to you professor. We will wait and see about Syria. Bad analysis is better than biased analysis. You recently said that there was no tough conversation between Putin and Netanyahu after your falcons carried out the "humanitarian" bombing of Syria, and today the whole world is screaming about this, Kemiron flew to Sochi "to resolve the issue." I repeat again, wait and see. By the way, is the Azov large landing craft still in Haifa?
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2013 10: 05
        -7
        Quote: Canep
        You recently said that there was no tough conversation between Putin and Netanyahu after your falcons carried out the "humanitarian" bombing of Syria, and today the whole world is screaming about this, Kemiron flew to Sochi "to resolve the issue."

        The conversation will only be when Bibi visits Sochi next week.

        By the way, is the Azov large landing craft still in Haifa?

        10-th he celebrated in Sevastopol.
        1. Canep
          Canep 12 May 2013 10: 44
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          The conversation will only be when Bibi visits Sochi next week.

          Question: Why did everyone reach for Putin? It would be interesting to read the transcript of that conversation. By the way, your Bibi understands in Russian, if so then I’m afraid the transcript will never be published for ethical reasons.
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2013 10: 55
            +3
            Quote: Canep
            Why did everyone reach for Putin?

            Bibi to ask not to deliver C-300.

            Quote: Canep
            By the way, your Bibi understands in Russian, if so then I’m afraid that the transcript will never be published for ethical reasons.

            Sharon understood, Perez understood, and Bibi did not speak Russian.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 12 May 2013 11: 40
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Sharon understood, Perez understood, and Bibi did not speak Russian.

              I'm embarrassed to ask, who is "Bibi"?
              1. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 11: 51
                0
                Quote: ATATA
                I'm embarrassed to ask, who is "Bibi"?

                Benjamin Netanyahu diminutive Bibi
              2. Professor
                Professor 12 May 2013 11: 59
                +1
                Nickname Netanyahu since his service in special forces.
          2. atalef
            atalef 13 May 2013 08: 01
            0
            Quote: Canep
            By the way, your Bibi understands in Russian, if so then I’m afraid that the transcript will never be published for ethical reasons.

            Bibi does not understand Russian.
        2. Rink
          Rink 12 May 2013 10: 52
          13
          Quote: Professor
          The conversation will only be when Bibi visits Sochi next week.

          No-no ... Then there will be no more "conversation", but a uniform whipping of your stupid Bibi! laughing
          That's what he squirmed ...

          Fear scum - Russians are coming!


          1. Toit
            Toit 12 May 2013 10: 59
            12 th
            Quote: Skating rink

            No-no ... Then there will be no more "conversation", but a uniform whipping of your stupid Bibi!
            That's what he squirmed ...

            But it looks, well, very pleased, plus Cameroon’s visit to this, Putin assad senses my heart
            1. Rink
              Rink 12 May 2013 11: 05
              +5
              Quote: Toit
              And it looks, well, very pleased ...

              Do you think Bibi likes it, looks forward to it? I heard that you have a lot of perverts there ...

              ... he feels my heart will merge Putin Assad

              You still don't understand "Who is Putin"? And it would be time already.
              However, it is nice: wishful thinking.

              But have a little patience, we will see everything a little later.
              1. Toit
                Toit 12 May 2013 11: 09
                -3
                Quote: Skating rink
                Do you think Bibi likes it, looks forward to it? I heard that you have a lot of perverts there ...

                But the laws are introduced by YOU, apparently there is something to fight
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 27
                  +2
                  They just ALREADY defeated you :).
            2. Oleg Rosskiyy
              Oleg Rosskiyy 12 May 2013 23: 30
              0
              And why doesn’t he lose his face, the instruction does not allow, although Putin flashed enough for him, or maybe he liked it and will soon go for the supplement, and you come and flare you.
          2. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 12 May 2013 12: 17
            10 th
            No-no ... Then there will be no more "conversation", but a uniform whipping of your stupid Bibi!
            That's what he squirmed ...




            Vladimir, watch how your hamsters get aroused! Do they really think you're not Assad?
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 12 May 2013 18: 16
              +4
              We have already seen such a facial expression in our GDP. So simple, honest, honest eyes ... And you know, I wouldn’t be very happy at the place of your prime minister. Yes, and you still remember your joke ...
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            2. Oleg Rosskiyy
              Oleg Rosskiyy 12 May 2013 23: 38
              0
              The prime minister has good manners, only he is somehow strangely tense, probably telling Putin: "Vova, let's start with the smaller one."
        3. viktorilin
          viktorilin 12 May 2013 21: 25
          0
          How do you know that "Azov" was in Sevastopol on the 10th?
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2013 22: 04
            0
            The CIA reported from old memory.
      2. wax
        wax 12 May 2013 10: 44
        15
        Putin does not throw words to the wind. At one time, it was he who suspended the supply of S-300 CONTRACTs to Syria at the obvious request of the Israeli side. With a high degree of probability, one can assume that Israel then assured Putin that it would not enter Syria. However, the attacks took place and the second of them was a direct complicity in favor of terrorists against the Syrian army. In this case, Putin's call to Netanyahu is irreproachably conditioned and the contract will be fulfilled. Netanyahu showed himself in this whole situation to closer "lads" than gentlemen.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 12 May 2013 11: 07
          -9
          Putin does not throw words into the wind. At one time, it was he who suspended supplies of the concluded S-300 CONTRACTS to Syria at the obvious request of the Israeli side.


          It is believed that the main reason is the inability of the Syrian side to pay on contracts.
          But if you guys are here and the truth is that Assad is so sick with all his soul, I propose to open an account and start collecting Assad on the S-300.
          Or just clave to peel much? Help your friend with your ruble!
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 11: 13
            +9
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            But if you guys are here and the truth is that Assad is so sick with all his heart,

            I see you guys are so worried about everyone here, you don’t get crowded on the forum, in every thread there are 5 Israelis, it seems like you are not working at a shocking pace.)
            1. Toit
              Toit 12 May 2013 11: 29
              -8
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              I see you guys are so worried about everyone here, you don’t get crowded on the forum, in every thread there are 5 Israelis, it seems like you are not working at a shocking pace.)

              And what are you doing here, defend Syria?))))
              1. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 11: 54
                +3
                Quote: Toit
                And what are you doing here, defend Syria?))))

                I’m not defending anyone here, judging by your activation and very increased interest in this forum, it coils thoughts of your bias.
                1. Toit
                  Toit 12 May 2013 12: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: Phantom Revolution
                  I’m not defending anyone here, judging by your activation and very increased interest in this forum, it coils thoughts of your bias.

                  I read for two years, I think let me write
              2. djon3volta
                djon3volta 12 May 2013 12: 38
                +1
                Quote: Toit
                And what are you doing here, defend Syria?))))

                the question is - what in RuNet, and in particular here, are those who do with the Israeli flags! Do you have a lot of flags with Russia in Israel? Are there such a site where you can see what Russians are sitting on political sites there?
                1. Toit
                  Toit 12 May 2013 12: 48
                  -1
                  Quote: djon3volta
                  the question is - what in RuNet, and in particular here, are those who do with the Israeli flags! Do you have a lot of flags with Russia in Israel?

                  The flag is set by IP, at least they didn’t ask me, learn Hebrew, come have a chat, and this is not a political forum
                2. smile
                  smile 12 May 2013 15: 11
                  +4
                  djon3volta
                  Come on ... Nostalgia stuck with them ... here they come to us ... how do they bother you? It is always interesting to find out a new, different point of view ... and to scoop if you do not agree ... :))))
              3. Rink
                Rink 12 May 2013 13: 19
                +9
                Quote: Toit
                And what are you doing here, defend Syria?))))

                No, honey ...
                We are here on our Russian-language website, read the news. We exchange opinions. WE ARE HERE - AT HOME! And here, judging by the flag, you came to visit, not only without an invitation, but even without asking.
                WHAT FOR?
                What pushes you here - simple curiosity?
                And why do you speak on behalf of the whole state ("yes we are right now, yes we are right now ...") Why do you undertake here to teach all life in your perverted vision - just out of a desire to teach? Or from you, as from one hermit, the honey of knowledge is already oozing out, and you decided to teach everyone, regardless of whether someone needs it or not?
                So then I can say one thing - you are here parody on that sage.
                He called for progress, and you strive back to the caves, and Bibi is your Neanderthal as well.
                1. Toit
                  Toit 12 May 2013 13: 36
                  -1
                  So the Russians can shout on behalf of a great power that we will wipe away Israel’s powder, but we don’t? Somehow slimy, not in Russian.
                  Quote: Skating rink
                  What pushes you here - simple curiosity?

                  They are discussing my country and its adversary, and what do you have to do with it?
                  Quote: Skating rink
                  whether from you, as from one hermit, the honey of knowledge is already oozing,

                  Sorry, this is about whom?
                  Quote: Skating rink
                  He called for progress, and you strive back to the caves, and Bibi is your Neanderthal as well.

                  We strive to caves, and that is why one of the leading countries in the world in electronics and technology, reinforced concrete logic, you would build bunkers.
                  1. Black Colonel
                    Black Colonel 13 May 2013 14: 04
                    +1
                    Man, have you rebuilt your bunker? Do not forget to shove the electronics there, so as not to forget in which part of the world to come into the light of God after the apocalypse (if you can get out)
            2. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 12 May 2013 11: 54
              -9
              5 Israelis in each branch


              If you look carefully, only in branches affecting Israel.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 12 May 2013 12: 02
                +4
                Is Israel going to attack Syria?
                1. Toit
                  Toit 12 May 2013 12: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Is Israel going to attack Syria?

                  And who knows, we’re not sitting in the General Staff, personal opinion that there’s no
            3. BYRY
              BYRY 12 May 2013 13: 23
              -1
              Then one crucified that he plows 12 hours a day. Interesting, but does Klava withstand?
            4. Rink
              Rink 12 May 2013 13: 27
              +9
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              I see you guys are so worried about everyone here, you don’t get crowded on the forum, in every thread there are 5 Israelis, it seems like you are not working at a shocking pace.)

              +100! True remark.
              Moreover, I’m interested in this.
              I rush on this site periodically (not so much free time). From time to time, I see how the same characters, whom I identified for myself as battle trolls at work, are driven by minuses deep into the skulls. But then time passes, I go to the site - and a miracle: the former owner of gray skulls, already covered in yellow stars! Which, by the way, he is losing before his eyes, as they will pass him with the same intensity, and even go into gray streaks ...
              I don’t understand who “amnesties” them from time to time?
              1. smile
                smile 12 May 2013 15: 20
                +3
                Rink
                It is unlikely that someone will amnesty them, why?
                The fact is that often they are quite reasonable and good people ... as a professor and, in my opinion, the same Toit, because often they say quite literate and right things (sometimes very pro-Russian) ... that’s a deservedly increased rating ..
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 12 May 2013 15: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: smile
                  the same Toit, because often they say quite literate and right things (sometimes very pro-Russian)

                  Quote: Toit
                  It’s always better to agree than to fight
                  Quote: Kaa
                  for fear of getting into Russian officers
                  Toit Previously, this did not interfere.

                  smiledear request Do you seriously consider today's statement Toitbut correct and pro-Russian? They simply have a manner of accumulating a lot of minuses, then mimicking, starting to write flattering things about the Russian army, ripping off undeserved pluses (undeserved because of insincerity) - and so on until a new "foray" on the site.
                  1. smile
                    smile 12 May 2013 15: 54
                    +3
                    Kaa
                    I frankly did not like (to put it mildly) half of his comments, but his words that Russia can the whole world go to ... if I come to visit this world, I can’t call it another way, I said something kind of seriously ... the second half of the comments are not without common sense + he breaks off ... well, here it is clear - our countries are practically enemies, he must somehow defend his own ...
                    But from that angle,

                    "They just have a manner of accumulating a lot of minuses, then mimicking, starting to write flattering things about the Russian army, tearing down undeserved pluses (undeserved because of insincerity) - and so on until a new" foray "on the site."
                    -I didn’t look at this matter .... it’s a pity if you are right .... maybe I was mistaken, in any case, let me better be mistaken for the better ... :))))
                    1. Kaa
                      Kaa 12 May 2013 16: 28
                      +3
                      Quote: smile
                      Russia can the whole world in g ..

                      They, unlike ours, remember history well: "At the beginning of 1967. the commanders of all major military units of the Soviet army received the text of a speech by the Minister of Defense of the USSR, Marshal Andrei Grechko. He stated that the year of the 50th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution would be the last year of the existence of the State of Israel. The Kremlin changed its position when Soviet intelligence reported that Israel had built a nuclear reactor. One of the KGB's declassified analytical documents said: “Spy satellites, as well as conventional intelligence agencies, provided the USSR with accurate data on the Dimona facility. In light of the fact that the information cooperation between the USSR and Egypt in those years was very close, it is obvious that the USSR transmitted information about the Israeli reactor to Egypt. " Obviously, Moscow decided to destroy the Israeli nuclear center - completely “redundant”, according to the Soviet leadership. Former head of the Middle East department of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs, special ambassador Oleg Grinevsky in an interview said: There is information that one of the reasons for the unleashing of Egypt The Six Day War was striving to strike at Israel before that country could use nuclear weapons. In the military plans of Egypt, Dimona was listed as one of the main goals. " Grinevsky also quotes Andrei Gromyko, USSR Foreign Minister, who in 1981 stated: “Our military feared that Israel could attack Syria at any time. In the middle of May 1967 two Egyptian fighters made reconnaissance flight over Dimona. To the great surprise of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the pilots returned to the base safe and sound - despite the fact that the reactor was guarded by American-made Hawk missile batteries. The Minister of Defense of Egypt, Marshal Amar, gave the order to attack Dimona and other important objects in Israel. However, at the request of the USSR, Nasser canceled the order. The Soviet leadership was not aware of Egypt’s intentions to destroy Israel’s nuclear potential. We only knew about plans to deliver an unexpected blow to strategically important targets. If we knew for sure that the main task is to destroy nuclear potential, we would not mind. ” During the Six Day War, a telephone hotline was launched between Moscow and Washington, which was created during the Caribbean crisis of 1962. Moscow and Washington exchanged more than 20 notes. On June 10, the Kremlin handed over to the White House the first threat of direct intervention in the war against Israel. The Pentagon ordered its ships to move further from the war zone. On the same day, the USSR broke off diplomatic relations with Israel. One of the deputies Gromyko said that the decision was made by his boss, who, like Kosygin, objected to military intervention. “At a meeting of the Politburo,” he said, “Gromyko at the very last moment suggested breaking off relations with Israel so as not to get involved in this dangerous military undertaking, which turned out to be so difficult for our“ hawks ”. Gromyko was afraid of clashes with the United States. " There were rumors among the top MoD officers that Brezhnev was talking on the phone with President Johnson and "they both realized that half an hour after the landing in Haifa, the whole world would be drawn into the war." The landing order was immediately canceled, and the Soviet ships that were already 30 miles from the shores of Israel, went into the open sea.
                      02
                      Memoirs of a submariner with nuclear submarine K-131: "The beginning of the" six-day war "(June 5) found us in the Adriatic. Here we received a signal that puzzled us - we were ordered to reach the coast of Israel by the end of the next day in readiness to launch a missile strike on Tel -Avivu.http: //nvo.ng.ru/history/2006-11-24/5_hozhdenie.html
                      1. djon3volta
                        djon3volta 12 May 2013 19: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Kaa
                        "They both realized that half an hour after the landing in Haifa, the whole world would be drawn into the war."

                        Well, it’s like the navel of the land is Israel !? I can’t understand what is the secret of these paisyats, that from them the whole world should plunge into war ??? and now they are instigators of the war between Russia and the United States, if you conduct the parallel of the 5-day war ! True, the glow seems to be less, but two oson forces are participating in it - Russia and the United States !!!
                      2. Phoenix-D
                        Phoenix-D 13 May 2013 00: 29
                        +2
                        It's time to put Israel in its place.
                      3. kostyan77708
                        kostyan77708 13 May 2013 07: 54
                        +1
                        wipe this state off the earth, fucked up!
            5. alicante11
              alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 31
              +2
              admins, and those who speak against them are banned
      3. Metlik
        Metlik 12 May 2013 12: 40
        +2
        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
        Help your friend with your ruble!


        Already helping
        http://www.pavelfond.ru/news_list/99/
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 12 May 2013 16: 17
          -5
          Already helping
          http://www.pavelfond.ru/news_list/99/


          "Foundation of Saints Equal to the Apostles Constantine and Helena", well ...

          So you personally how many of your hard-earned money were transferred to a friend of Bashar, whose dad enthusiastically slaughtered the Christian population of Lebanon?
          1. Metlik
            Metlik 13 May 2013 01: 41
            +1
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            So you personally how much of your hard-earned money was transferred to a friend Bashar


            I personally do not feel sorry for the help of the Syrians whom you are now killing, and the Russians have never been greedy. Do you care about my money?
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 13 May 2013 11: 16
              -2
              To me personally to help the Syrians you are killing right now


              In fact, Assad's father and son killed far more Syrians, including women and children, than we did. But they are your friends, they can.

              Do you care about my money?


              I’m just wondering if you and your like-minded people, of whom there are a whole flock here on the forum, are ready to do something real, following your convictions.
              Or only in kamenty self-affirm?
      4. Норд
        Норд 12 May 2013 14: 21
        +2
        And on the clave and on the impudent erysipelas. I wouldn’t have puffed up my cheeks with pace because billions from across the ocean will soon run out.
  • Irtysh
    Irtysh 12 May 2013 23: 13
    +1
    Targeting directly from Haifa will do? Top cynicism wassat
  • slaventi
    slaventi 12 May 2013 09: 46
    +2
    Syria will be able to provide less effective resistance, only with the active support of Russia. With the participation of specialists, etc. It is of great importance whether Syria has time to deploy with 300 which, apparently, Russia has already begun or will begin to supply soon. Turkey, which blamed the Syrian secret services. An obvious provocation, so that as soon as possible to drag Turkey into direct aggression.
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 12 May 2013 10: 06
      0
      do not follow the news, our specialists have long been there.
  • kind
    kind 12 May 2013 10: 04
    +1
    Russia’s position of neutrality, Syria is in great danger, it is urgent to give the latest technology to Assad and the Syrian people to protect themselves from aggressors.

    The latest technology can and should be presented. Where to get trained specialists for her ???
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 11: 57
      +1
      Syrian specialists have already been trained in the S-300 in Russia. For other types of weapons, as the saying goes, "there would be a desire" to send 200 people to tank schools and training grounds for running in the same T-90ms, terminators, anti-tank and other systems is not a problem, but I will repeat once again "there would be a desire."
  • Normal
    Normal 12 May 2013 10: 08
    +3
    All this enumeration of the quantity and performance characteristics of air defense systems reminds me of the enumeration of the number of aircraft and tanks in service with the USSR in June 41. Alas, the result in the event of a strike will be the same. At 41, we had territory, human resources, and a willingness to sacrifice ourselves. Syria does not have this to the necessary extent. If we lose politically and the West decides to aggression from Syrian air defense, there will be nothing left for a week. No serious damage to the aggressor air force will be inflicted, unfortunately ....
    1. antidote
      antidote 12 May 2013 12: 33
      +2
      A strange comparison. In 1941, the troops were not alerted, Stalin was afraid of provocations. The army is full of untreated traitors (Pavlov alone on the Western Front was worth it). And the Syrians have been fighting for 2 years, all the traitors have probably already betrayed.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 12 May 2013 10: 11
    +5
    It seems to me that the Professor is 100% right. Israel (if it really needs to) will do whatever it wants in Syria. Regardless of the composition of the air defense forces. Too strong and cunning. Neither the S-300 nor the "Pantsir" with "Buks" will help. The Jews will find ways to multiply them by zero ... But this does not mean that it is useless against the air forces of other countries of Syrian air defense. Not everyone is as advanced as the Jews. Something else needs to scare them. Than? Right now I'll go to a friend - we'll decide ... Or the Professor himself will tell you. Eats for a fee.
    1. Professor
      Professor 12 May 2013 10: 21
      +3
      Free only for you and in secret. Only WMD scares local hawks, and this despite the presence of gas masks for everyone from infants (saw this?) And ending with the elderly. On the other hand, it is fear of WMD that can lead Bibi to the wrong decision to destroy this WMD in Syria.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 12 May 2013 10: 50
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Free only for you and in secret. Only WMD scares local hawks and this despite the presence of gas masks for everyone starting from infants (have you seen one?)

        Of course I didn’t. And your hawks a big hello from WMD. But really, how much can Syria have and in what composition? At least estimated. And what are the chances of applying it on the territory of the same Israel? At least in 2 words Professor. By God, no one ... (secret all the same)
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 16
          +2
          Chances are high. Syria has Scuds. In addition, there are anti-ship complexes, "sharpened" to overcome air defense. It is possible to use it from Lebanese territory using unguided rockets.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 12 May 2013 11: 33
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            The odds are high. Syria has the Scuds.

            But what about the notorious "dome"? Scud is not an Iskander - it cannot maneuver. The NURS has a small radius of action. Surely there will not be weapons of mass destruction delivered to the Jews where it hurts. Moreover, the Jews can take action. Anti-ship? Do they have weapons of war for weapons of mass destruction?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 May 2013 11: 50
              +4
              "Dome" against "Scuds" will not work. Other tasks.
              Chemical weapons are not in vain trying to ban in the whole world. Too easy to apply.
            2. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 12 May 2013 13: 22
              0
              Quote: retired
              Of course I didn’t. And your hawks a big hello from WMD. But really, how much can Syria have and in what composition? At least estimated. And what are the chances of applying it on the territory of the same Israel? At least in 2 words Professor. By God, no one ... (secret all the same)

              Chances will be medium if Syria attacks first. And it will be a massive and coordinated attack. Airplanes + rockets.
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 12 May 2013 10: 34
      0
      As long as they are afraid, there will not be a massive operation. Europe and America have enough of their problems, including financial ones, to bury planes in the sand in the Middle East. But the Jews themselves will not fight, they will not squabble Syria. And they don’t need it.
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 12 May 2013 11: 52
        -2
        As long as they are afraid, there will be no massive operation.


        There will be no operation, because there is currently no adequate replacement for Assad in the camp of the Syrian opposition, nor is there a single management. The West does not want chaos, during which El Qaeda takes possession of the WMD.
        1. Genady1976
          Genady1976 12 May 2013 15: 29
          +1
          Yes, you have a replacement. The West does not want chaos, Then why does it make west chaos.
          No, they do not need Syria or Iran, they need Siberia with its infinite wealth.
          1. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 12 May 2013 15: 41
            -2
            Yes, you have a replacement. The West does not want chaos, Then why does it make west chaos.


            Who exactly? There are dozens of groups that do not agree among themselves.

            No, they do not need Syria or Iran, they need Siberia with its infinite wealth.


            In this regard, Putin with his "stability" and "vertical" is the best option for the West, because he ensures uninterrupted supplies of energy resources.
            All this is supposedly a confrontation with the states - exclusively for your domestic consumption.
    3. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 10: 54
      -1
      Quote: retired
      senior citizen Today, 10:11
      It seems to me that the Professor is 100% right. Israel (if it really needs to) will do whatever it wants in Syria. Regardless of the composition of the air defense forces. Too strong and cunning. Neither the S-300 nor the "Pantsir" with "Buks" will help. The Jews will find ways to multiply them by zero ... But this does not mean that it is useless against the air forces of other countries of Syrian air defense. Not everyone is as advanced as the Jews. Something else needs to scare them. Than? Right now I'll go to a friend - we'll decide ... Or the Professor himself will tell you. Eats for a fee.

      I think this is exactly what prevents Turkey from invading Syria (for now).
    4. antidote
      antidote 12 May 2013 12: 37
      +3
      Maybe they do not need to resist? Report this to Assad. And the Jews will give you a medal for help in the information war.
      By the way, let our political leadership know that in vain you say you spend money on air defense. Anyway, the Western aggressor, with the help of the Jews, will multiply our entire defense by zero. And the army must be unraveled from house to house
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 12 May 2013 10: 19
    +6
    There is such a concept in the NATO strategy as "permissible losses". In any case, the Syrian air defense can inflict ample damage on the aggressor to send a huge number of boxes covered with the national flags of NATO countries to their homeland, which can cause a very not sickly civil protest in both Europe and America. Well, there is no need to talk about a ground operation at all. For 2 years of fighting, the Syrian army gained combat experience sufficient to significantly increase the number of the aforementioned boxes.
    1. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 12 May 2013 11: 16
      0
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Over 2 years of fighting, the Syrian army gained enough combat experience to increase the number of the aforementioned boxes several times.

      In other words, to provide "humanitarian aid" to reduce the population of Western Europe and the United States, this is what the Western elites dream of (reduction of the world's population).
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 12 May 2013 11: 41
        0
        Like that, only at the expense of these "dreamers", and not those they want to cut
    2. albai
      albai 12 May 2013 11: 29
      0
      [quote = lewerlin53rus] There is such a concept in the NATO strategy as "permissible losses". [/ quot /] Probably all of Israel is included in these "losses" !? Or does NATO still need "soft" bedding on the BV?
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 12 May 2013 11: 43
        0
        Quote: albai
        Probably all of Israel is included in these "losses" !? Or does NATO still need "soft" bedding on the BV?

        no, it’s unlikely that this ersatz state will be so easily cut. They still need an outpost in the Middle East, although it would be an irritant.
  • mr.Evil
    mr.Evil 12 May 2013 10: 26
    0
    Interesting article . NATO will not be able to attack in small groups when Syria realizes that everything is lost; Anna will hammer from all trunks in Israel.
  • Mat
    Mat 12 May 2013 10: 29
    +5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WguhL4XeCMw Марат Мазиточи Мусин : Я часто летаю в Сирию.Уж если сбивать будут, то самолет сирийских авиалиний...Когда нам рассказывают байки люди, которые уничтожили нашу авиационную промышленность, перевели нас на foot-овую систему(военная авиация на метровом диапазоне летают, мы сейчас на английском языке в футовом диапазоне )и ЭТИ ЛЮДИ ПРОВОДЯТ ОПЕРАЦИЮ, где все шито белыми нитками.Что якобы какой-то чартерный рейс был обстрелян.НО!Ты обстрелян и ты первый сообщаешь диспетчерам.НИКАКИХ СООБЩЕНИЙ С ЭТОГО БОРТА НЕ ПОСТУПАЛО.А когда они прилетели...ребята, либо вы говорите, что был обстрел... И средства ПВО Сирии сказали, что они НЕ ЗАРЕГИСТРИРОВАЛИ ОБСТРЕЛ...Буквально на следующий день решение РОСАВИАЦИИ О ЗАПРЕТЕ пролета над территорией Сирии.Это о чем говорит? Как МЧС туда потащит сейчас грузы, гуманитарную помощь.Шойгу в сложном положении.Если что случится: те запрещали пролет.Это все СВЯЗАНО С АМЕРИКАНСКОЙ СТРАТЕГИЕЙ, ГДЕ ОНИ ЧЕРЕЗ СВОЮ 5Ю КОЛОННУ проводят решения, которые сложно отменить и которые до сих пор не отменены.
  • Mat
    Mat 12 May 2013 10: 43
    +3
    Musin: NO COMMUNICATIONS FROM THIS BOARD WERE ACCESSED. And when they arrived ... guys, or you say that there was shelling ... And the Syrian air defense systems said that they did not register the shelling ... The very next day, the decision of the ROSAVIATION ON PROHIBIT overflights over Syria. What does this mean? As the Ministry of Emergencies will now drag cargo, humanitarian aid there. Shoigu is in a difficult situation. If what happens: they forbade the passage. This is all connected to the US STRATEGY, WHERE THEY, THROUGH THEIR 5TH COLUMN, make decisions that are difficult to cancel and which have not yet been canceled.
  • wax
    wax 12 May 2013 10: 53
    +3
    Goliath spoke and said: "You are dead, kid." Some people saw Goliath as too large to attack him. David saw him too big to miss.
    Then God was on the side of the Israelites, for they were persecuted, oppressed, but not forsaken.
    Is this the case now?
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 11: 01
      -7
      Quote: Wax
      Then God was on the side of the Israelites, for they were persecuted, oppressed, but not forsaken.

      Gonyms and oppressed by whom, a free, strong state, in a normal war with a constant enemy at that time.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 12 May 2013 10: 55
    +3
    In addition to Syria’s not weak air defense, there is Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, finally - you should not allow the idea that Syria can be bombed and dumped by Assad without catastrophic consequences for nearby US satellites. The region is already blazing, and in case of intervention it will simply explode.
  • optimist
    optimist 12 May 2013 11: 01
    0
    It is not sad to admit, but Syria has practically no chance. Syria 2013 is Spain-1937. The USSR then helped with technology and volunteers. Everyone remembers how it ended. The other day, a message flashed through Lavrov that there would be no more supplies of S-300 and other equipment to Syria. It is understandable: the GDP and K are well aware that the Americans, in which case, drop a barrel of oil up to 50 Tugriks and hungry Muscovites are not only the GDP from the Kremlin, the Lord God will be thrown from heaven. Of course, the Syrians are excellent warriors, and they won’t have much combat experience, but if the Zh.I. Do-Masons decided to multiply them by zero, the question is only in time. If it doesn’t work out with the hands of the militants, then they will probably come up with a reason for open aggression. And do not discount the fact that the country has been fighting for 2 years and is suffering heavy human and material losses. And the patience of the people is also not infinite.
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 12 May 2013 11: 40
      +4
      Optimist, if the amers have the opportunity to drop the barrel up to 50, they would have dropped it long ago and did not climb into Iraq, Libya, Syria. If the freemasons decide to multiply Russia by zero (and everything goes to this) is it also a matter of time? I don’t think Putin will surrender Syria. Let's see of course. But now everything is going on as all sane people calculated. Amer incite their mongrel, Jews, Turks to Syria and see what happens. There will be no reaction from Russia, they will dismantle Syria, and then they will embed Iran, because they will know that Russia will be on the sidelines. After that, we have destabilizing the Caucasus, attempts to destabilize Tatarstan, Bashkiria, conflicts with Japan and Turkey at the same time, and after NATO suspends them.
      1. optimist
        optimist 12 May 2013 12: 07
        -5
        Why should they (amers) hurry? So far, apart from idle talk from Russia, nothing is visible. And the "glorious" Russian tradition (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya) is unlikely to be violated. I sincerely wish the Syrians victory. But hope for real help from Russia to them, poor fellows. not necessary. (I remind you about the message about the termination of supplies). It would have been enough to supply a couple of dozen S-300 divisions with our instructors, and the railroad trainer's point would shrink not like a child. Only this, unfortunately, will never happen. And the fact that everything will begin with an air operation, do not go to the fortuneteller ...
        1. Babon
          Babon 12 May 2013 13: 35
          +3
          Still, 5 countries in the world have the right to veto the UN, so this veto is also worth a lot.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: optimist
      hungry Muscovites are not like GDP from the Kremlin, God will throw God from heaven.

      But why didn’t the hungry Muscovites of Yeltsin be dumped in the 90s? Or did Yeltsin cost more than $ 100 and Muscovites were fed up? yes just like in China in 1989 on the Tianmen Square, when the Chinese who tested were wound on tank tracks, after which the Chinese immediately showed economic growth at 9%.
      1. optimist
        optimist 12 May 2013 12: 13
        -6
        Hello putinoids! Stretch your weak memory and remember the fall of 93: then the fate of EBN and K kept in the balance. Now about oil: you don't even need to touch it. Relatively recently, I was on retraining at one of the Moscow academies. And there one of the old and wise teachers explained to us on the “fingers”: to eliminate the current regime, it is enough to disrupt logistics and food supplies to Moscow and the region for a couple of weeks. With 80% dependence on foreign supplies, like two fingers on the asphalt. While Saddam and Gaddafi licked the West's ass, they also had a good time ...
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 12 May 2013 12: 50
          +3
          Quote: optimist
          to eliminate the current regime, it is enough for a couple of weeks to disrupt the logistics and food supplies to Moscow and the region.

          right tomorrow and start, what do you expect others to do? do you hate this regime, go ahead and write everything - oil will fall, Putin will soon end, down with power ... what's the use of your hamster scribble? maybe from my there is no sense in writing, but at the same time, not yours are sitting in the Kremlin, but ours, as they say, do you understand?
          so come on, talk less and go disrupt logistics and havchik deliveries to Moscow, I'm sure Obama will mark you with a hero star in the oval office laughing
          and Putin, by the way, does not lick the West, so everything is fine with him, but if only he licked like Saddam, then perhaps he would have been overthrown)))
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 12 May 2013 13: 35
            +2
            He is ready to do anything to overthrow the regime. And we have a lot of such intruders unfortunately.
            If the war begins, such detachments will need detachments. Because either they will run to surrender or they will just run. They will fight only in one case, if they do not have anywhere.
          2. optimist
            optimist 12 May 2013 15: 16
            -3
            In vain putinoidy pay you money. You are some kind of inept troll ... A seasoned putinoid should know that not only some "hamsters" are opposed to GDP, but also all normal, sane people who love Russia and are not indifferent to its fate. And don't worry about your idol and his stool cronies: either here the people will lift them to the pitchfork, or in the West ... good
            1. djon3volta
              djon3volta 12 May 2013 19: 37
              +2
              Quote: optimist
              but also all normal, sane people who love Russia and their fate is not indifferent to them.

              and FOR GDP means NOT normal, not sane, who do not see Russia, and they are not indifferent to its fate, according to your logic, it turns out that way? belay

              are you writing such texts about people like me? maybe even you wrote this on the open spaces of tyrnet.
              1. Genady1976
                Genady1976 12 May 2013 22: 14
                +1
                The crooked minority must be put against the wall
              2. optimist
                optimist 12 May 2013 22: 46
                -4
                I see, the putinoids have a holiday today! Look how many of you came! Let's see what you scream when your GDP and Syria "merge", like Libya in its time. And no need to blame the clown-LADY: VVP did not work as a janitor at that time. Give AT LEAST ONE example of putinoids' foreign policy coup in the last 13 years?
                1. Genady1976
                  Genady1976 12 May 2013 23: 02
                  +1
                  And you are from a crooked minority.
                  1. optimist
                    optimist 12 May 2013 23: 46
                    0
                    I didn’t guess, dear ... I am one of those who knows the history of Russia relatively well, studies a lot of different analytics and does not watch the central channels through the zombie house. In addition, he knows how to think logically. I hope that people like me are not a minority. good
                    1. djon3volta
                      djon3volta 13 May 2013 00: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: optimist
                      I hope that people like me are not a minority

                      you hope, but I know that you are LITTLE. even this creator from the screen recognizes that Putin is the majority. if you are critics of GDP, you are well aware that you are less and not more. Hamsters showed you WRONG WEEKS again, how are you in Lithuania bowed to Targamadze on May holidays, hooters, redheads, Germans, gozmans.
                      1. optimist
                        optimist 13 May 2013 00: 30
                        -2
                        That your brain is tight, I have long understood. But it turns out there are also problems with memory? Let me remind you of the well-known: in the early 90s, your VVP with Sobchak and Chubais were ripped off by budget grandmothers in the St. Petersburg City Hall. And in 99, when it was impossible to show this drunken stupid survo of EBN even on TV, Chubais and Berezovsky made him a prezik. And his first decree was "On guarantees to the former Russian prezik." I also recall an old Russian proverb about an apple that falls near an apple tree. And once again to you, especially "gifted", I remind you: to this rabble, to which you constantly rank me, I have not the slightest relation. I will say more: I hate them as much as I hate your "idol".
  • vlasov70
    vlasov70 12 May 2013 11: 04
    +2
    In my opinion, the key problem is the lack of modern means of monitoring and control of air defense and air forces in Syria. Apparently there is enough cash firepower, it is necessary to combine them into a single complex that allows you to track and destroy the enemy at all heights. It was the lack of modern airspace control and air defense systems control that allowed NATO to achieve decisive success in all recent wars with minimal losses.
    Therefore, the creation of such a system will allow two hundred levels of human losses of the enemy to unacceptable (it is quite low), and also make the operation extremely costly from a material and technical point of view. Remember Libya, when NATO missed cruise missiles to strike. Perhaps in this case, Assad will stand.
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 11: 11
      +2
      Quote: vlasov70
      Syria modern means of monitoring and control of air defense and air force.

      Your words, to God’s ears, where have the Syrians been for the past 65 years that they couldn’t fix all this?
      1. vlasov70
        vlasov70 12 May 2013 11: 23
        +5
        It is obvious:
        the Syrians themselves are incapable of this, neither specialists nor technical capabilities;
        Assad does not apply to friends of the United States who provide such opportunities to their allies;
        The USSR was killed in 1991, and we (the Russian Federation) "got up from our knees" for too long, and even now our knees are still shaking, our strength is not enough to stand firmly.
    2. Metlik
      Metlik 12 May 2013 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: vlasov70
      the key problem is the lack of modern air defense surveillance and control systems in Syria


      Russia needs another base for the air force in the Mediterranean, for example in Cyprus. From there, we could support Syrian air defense with our A-50 AWACS aircraft.
  • Gamal
    Gamal 12 May 2013 11: 10
    13
    In addition to the real S-300 systems, it is necessary to supply such inflatable models to Syria:
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Gamal
      In addition to the real S-300 systems, it is necessary to supply such inflatable models to Syria:

      Do not forget to put the pumps. To save Syria with 300 is not enough, we need an integrated approach
  • Gamal
    Gamal 12 May 2013 11: 25
    11
    Such "toys" will help to misinform all "friends of Syria" about Assad's modern air defense systems. In general, an interesting situation arises when only one suggestion that Russia is going to supply S-300 to Syria caused such a universal commotion in the West with the Zionists, as rats ran (one by one they go to Putin to "bow"). This suggests that all the trump cards are in the hands of the GDP. Let's see how he disposes of them.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 12 May 2013 12: 55
      +7
      Quote: Gamal
      one by one they go to Putin to "bow")

      everyone’s tag! it’s to Putin that they’re going, and it’s to bow yes
    2. Irtysh
      Irtysh 12 May 2013 23: 47
      +1
      It seems to me that Putin will not openly conflict with the West. And strategically, this is correct. As usual, everything Assad needs will be delivered by the Old Man.

      Old Man Mossad is too tough laughing
  • Mitek
    Mitek 12 May 2013 11: 31
    +3
    Quote: Rioter
    There is nothing to discuss. If Israel and the United States decide to strike, then the Syrian air defense will only be able to die heroically. What kind of rebuff are we talking about if the range of the Ecsta missiles is 150 km, and it was 180 when launched from a ground launch. They will cover all these complexes directly from the MLRS. And then wave by wave they will drive Syrian troops into the asphalt.

    The people, and for what Rioter-za minus? After all, he said everything correctly, they will only hammer in the sand. Now Turkey is trying to snatch more from Syria, which, according to Turkey, is destined to die according to the Libyan scenario. Syria’s air defense is out of date .. Only a single entry of Russian troops can save Syria. At the request of Assad under the CSTO brand, as you wish, but if there are no Russian troops there (I almost wrote the USSR) Syria is doomed. Provocations have already begun.
  • Asgard
    Asgard 12 May 2013 11: 39
    +6
    Quote: AK44
    The question is different. Why didn’t I Syrian air defense work? After all, the article says that the air defense of Syria is quite on the level. Not super modern, but not completely backward.

    Because the mentality of the Arabs is not subject to discipline (there is constant carelessness)) You tell them - And they do not understand what this is about !? They say we slept for 20 minutes)) We drove off, because someone said something ... That's how they blew everything in Egypt ... Although, there are Smart guys among the Syrians, but the "massad" gropes for weak points and This allows them to act successfully....
    .. although in the latter case of the bombing -plane shot down(infa confidential, do not refer to me)))
    Now about .... The commander-in-chief colonel (in order to avoid the fate of "Gaddafi" on the streets of Moskabad)) must put a connection of sea ships along the coast with an order for an unmanned zone at the request of the legitimate government of Syria. The equipment of the cruisers will allow you to do this. + an air wing near Damascus to protect the ships of the grouping and "sheds" in the PMTS "Tartus" ...
    + razdData from satellites and mobile sabotage brigades, + active jamming of satellite phones "Iridium", with the help of which the SSA coordinates its actions and receives orders from the Pentagon))
    Assad’s physical defense, the most key direction, will kill him - Syria will fall into several pieces (you won’t collect it)) the brother doesn’t count ...
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 11: 54
      -1
      Quote: Asgard
      .. although in the latter case the bombing was shot down (infa confidential, do not refer to me)))

      You can board number in the studio, and then somehow unfounded
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 12: 58
        +1
        Quote: Toit
        Can board number in the studio

        and if he provides a number, will you punch this number? man, can you really? what
        1. Toit
          Toit 12 May 2013 13: 38
          0
          Quote: djon3volta
          and if he provides a number, will you punch this number? man, can you really?

          You try, we'll see.
          1. Genady1976
            Genady1976 13 May 2013 17: 35
            0
            Yes, no one draws it like that, like what number I know all the numbers.
            1. Professor
              Professor 13 May 2013 17: 45
              0
              For your information All side numbers on squadrons are known and are in the open press. Tell me the flight number of the allegedly downed plane and I will show you this plane after the war. Many aircraft even have serial numbers.
              1. Genady1976
                Genady1976 13 May 2013 18: 13
                0
                Liar bring a new plane to write down the number of the shot down and say here it is
                1. Professor
                  Professor 13 May 2013 18: 21
                  0
                  Young man, do not be rude.
                  Where can I get it? Where are they lying around and most importantly why? So that the "writer" under the nickname "professor" could prove the absence of the loss of this aircraft on the forum?
  • Sonik
    Sonik 12 May 2013 12: 05
    +1
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikcharlton/2856113469/lightbox/
    1. Toit
      Toit 12 May 2013 12: 16
      -2
      Quote: Sonik
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikcharlton/2856113469/lightbox/

      And, this is your plane ???
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 12 May 2013 13: 04
        0
        Quote: Toit
        And, this is your plane ???

        the tomahawk flies over the forest, and not the plane. There are comments to the pictures.
        1. Windbreak
          Windbreak 12 May 2013 16: 36
          0
          Double inertia trace at tomahawk? This is exactly the Bombardier CRJ900 aircraft.
        2. Windbreak
          Windbreak 12 May 2013 16: 53
          0
          [media=http://s020.radikal.ru/i713/1305/38/32033ffc6780.jpg]
  • komsomolets
    komsomolets 12 May 2013 12: 14
    +4
    It seems to me that it is enough for all of us to rattle arms (talk) while there is time to study the Syrian experience, this is a completely new war, our governments should also prepare for such wars (if they want to resist) Time is the main resource and we have little.
  • ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 12 May 2013 12: 21
    +1
    The article is of course +, but it does not take into account the state of readiness of these funds after prolonged hostilities. Are there any prepared calculations for management? For me, the question of sufficient resistance in a possible attack remained unclear.
  • Fregate
    Fregate 12 May 2013 12: 24
    +2
    Turks at Turks. Now they are developing themselves quietly. And if hostilities begin, then they may lose all the tourists (not only ours). And in general, lose economic ties with Russia. They need it, I wonder what Erdogan is thinking about?
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 12 May 2013 15: 06
      +3
      And our smaller tourists need to go to Turkey to feed entih Turks
  • antidote
    antidote 12 May 2013 12: 26
    +2
    Russia will fulfill contracts for the supply of defensive weapons to Syria
    The British side during a meeting in Sochi, Russian President Vladimir Putin and British Prime Minister David Cameron raised the topic of Syria's supply of S-300 air defense systems. The Russian side has stated its already well-known position on this topic, a source in the Russian delegation who participated in the negotiations said.
    “The topic of deliveries was raised,” a source told RIA Novosti. He emphasized that “everything is clear here: there is no embargo on deliveries, and we are fulfilling previously signed contracts, that is, we are completing our obligations”.
    “And third, any weapons that are delivered (to Syria) under previous contracts are exclusively defensive,” said a Russian source.
    As The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday, Israeli authorities warned the United States that Damascus had begun paying for the delivery of several S-300 air defense systems from Russia. According to information provided by Israel, we are talking about six launchers and 144 missiles, the contract for the supply of which is estimated at $ 900 million.
    1. Army1
      Army1 12 May 2013 12: 33
      +3
      I hope here Putin will demonstrate hypocrisy as the British, Americans, etc. do it. and put with 300.
      1. _Siberian_
        _Siberian_ 12 May 2013 19: 29
        +1
        Hypocrisy is not required, the supply of defensive weapons does not fall under any sanctions, but as in the case of spare parts for Libyan air defense at one time, gentlemen of politics can change their minds to the joy of shit, or not change their minds and betray at least Syria, as some did iPhones with Libya ....
        PS: we are waiting for the continuation of the story ...
  • Maitre
    Maitre 12 May 2013 13: 55
    0
    Guys, I don't want to upset you here, but Russia will make a marketing mistake by selling the S-300 to Syria. For in case a, the S-300 attacks will be destroyed, without losses from the attackers. After that, it will be very difficult to position the S-300 as "unique, unparalleled" and sales of the system will sharply decline. Therefore, Russia should not supply S-300 to Syria.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 12 May 2013 14: 43
      +5
      Quote: Master
      Russia will make a marketing mistake by selling C-300 to Syria. For in the case of a C-300 attack will be destroyed, without loss from the attackers

      I have the same opinion.

      C-300 is a powerful thing, but any weapon is effective only in a complex of means. Just supplying C-300 will not change anything - positions will be quickly calculated in real time (NATO has dozens of RC-135 Rivet Joint reconnaissance aircraft, EP-3C Aries), there are modernized U-2 high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft and E-8 J ground-based intelligence systems -STARS - aircraft do not need to invade Syrian airspace, scouts can patrol a hundred kilometers from the border, over the territory of Jordan, Iraq or Turkey.
      + space exploration systems.
      + reconnaissance and strike drones

      After the coordinates become known (even moving targets - in real time) - hundreds of Tomahawks, thousands of anti-radar "Kharms", "Hellfires" from UAVs will be used, ground spetsnaz groups - the S-300 will simply be superiority. At the same time, NATO's own aircraft losses will be within the "0" range.

      The most effective air defense system is its own fighter aircraft (with EW, AWACS, modern aircraft and experienced pilots). SAM (C-300, Buki, Broadswords) - only an auxiliary tool, which in itself does not solve anything. This is once again proven by the well-planned Israeli Air Force raids
      1. Army1
        Army1 12 May 2013 16: 04
        +1
        with 300, like the Iskander complex, they are classified as systems that can change the strategic balance of forces in the region. And if it comes to that, they will not be brought in and put in so that they themselves work, the Russian advisers are still there. Agree, there wouldn’t be such a commotion from one with 300 at the level of the Prime Minister of Great Britain. And do not worry about masking noise immunity, do not forget about inflatable models (this is not sarcasm). With 300 topics mobility and security, etc. are famous. do not forget about the shells ....
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 12 May 2013 18: 02
          +3
          Quote: Army1
          with 300 as well as the Iskander complex

          You are trying to replace the entire complex of military means with two systems. This usually ends up in an instant defeat for those looking for "cheap asymmetric answers"
          Quote: Army1
          Agree there wouldn’t be such a commotion from one with 300 at the level of the Prime Minister of Great Britain

          Hysteria about C-300 - purely Russian PR
          The British Prime Minister has much more important things than Syria. Naturally, they do not like that Russia supplies arms to Syria. But no more than that.
          Quote: Army1
          With 300, mobility and security are also famous. do not forget about the shells ....

          radar operation is impossible to hide.
          1. Army1
            Army1 12 May 2013 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            You are trying to replace the entire complex of military means with two systems. This usually ends up in an instant defeat for those looking for "cheap asymmetric answers"

            I didn’t say that.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Hysteria about C-300 - purely Russian PR
            The British Prime Minister has much more important things than Syria. Naturally, they do not like that Russia supplies arms to Syria. But no more than that

            http://www.inosmi.ru/bbc_co_uk_russian/20130510/208858739.html

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2013/05/130509_russia_syria_s-

            300_concerns.shtml
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            radar operation is impossible to hide.

            I wrote about dummies, and even more so the way to build, this is a separate science, we are far from being stupider than Western colleagues.
        2. Irtysh
          Irtysh 12 May 2013 23: 57
          0
          The more they translate Tomahawks, Shrikes and other expensive nishtyaks, the easier Hezbollah. Let them pamper.
      2. Kars
        Kars 12 May 2013 17: 03
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        air defense system - own fighter aircraft (with EW, AWACS aircraft, with modern aircraft and experienced pilots)

        Wildly sorry a
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        After the coordinates become known (even moving targets - in real time) - hundreds of Tomahawks, thousands of anti-radar "Harms", "Hellfires" from UAVs, ground special forces groups will be used

        According to airfields, shelters, warehouses fuel and lubricants and ammunition, do not work in principle?
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 12 May 2013 18: 07
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          According to airfields, shelters, warehouses fuel and lubricants and ammunition, do not work in principle?

          Syria’s problem is that in any case, it has no chance. The forces are not comparable - Assad’s army will be torn up like an old rag. The witty Assad is in advance disadvantaged position of the defender, with the full quantitative and qualitative superiority of the enemy

          The entire territory of Syria in the zone of defeat of NATO, at the same time, the paws of the Syrians warriors do not reach Europe. And if they reach out - they don’t have target designation (to plan attacks on Google Maps?)
          1. Kars
            Kars 12 May 2013 19: 25
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Syria's problem is

            When you wrote about anti-aircraft defense you did not specify that Syria
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Witty Assad at a disadvantage in advance

            And what is better for them, in terms of causing maximum damage in the war to the last blood - airfields with airplanes, or mobile air defense systems?
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            If they reach, they don’t have target designation (do you plan to strike on Google Maps?)

            and why not? And why Europe when there is Israel-it is closer.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            The most effective air defense system is its own fighter aircraft (

            There is no clarification here,
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe 12 May 2013 20: 18
              +2
              Quote: Kars
              And what is better for them, in terms of causing maximum damage in the war to the last blood

              To the last drop of blood of whom? Witty? he has three options - a bullet to the head, cyanide to the rib or to a folk pitchfork. (there is another alternative - emigration, like Idi Amin)

              As soon as the sharp-witted issue is resolved, Iraq arr. 2010 of the year (a strange state in a paramilitary position with intervention and endless clan battles. However, the martial law of the Syrians is not new - it has been operating there since 1960 of the year)
              Quote: Kars
              airfields with airplanes, or mobile air defense systems?

              in the case of Syria everything is equally bad
              Quote: Kars
              And why Europe when Israel is - it is closer.

              You see, Israel may not enter the war (as it was in the 1991 year). And to strike at Israel (as if to execute a hostage) - Israel will invade Syria and not see the Syrians freedom and independence until the second coming
              Quote: Kars
              There is no clarification here,

              In the case of some Yugoslavia, a full-fledged air force can become a tough nut to crack in conjunction with OTR and air defense + political will to apply all this
              1. Kars
                Kars 12 May 2013 20: 44
                +1
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Until the last drop of blood

                Everyone, we consider the extract option.

                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                in the case of Syria everything is equally bad

                This is not necessary. For example, I believe that air defense will cause more problems for attackers.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                You see, Israel may not go to war

                He entered as soon as the first airstrike struck. But Assad with eggs, the OTRK should have been hit back within an hour.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Israel will invade Syria and not see the Syrians freedom and independence until the second coming

                But what is the UN and the Security Council? At the same time, the Israeli ground operation with far-reaching plans is vryatli, but the Turks))) 0
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                In the case of some Yugoslavia, a full-fledged air force can become a tough nut to crack in conjunction with OTR and air defense + political will to apply all this

                We are interested in sdes specifically

                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                The most effective air defense system is its own fighter aircraft (with EW, AWACS, modern aircraft and experienced pilots
                1. Santa Fe
                  Santa Fe 12 May 2013 21: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  For example, I believe that air defense will cause more problems for the attacker.

                  Jews?))
                  or another striking example - Yugoslavia
                  Quote: Kars
                  But Assad with eggs, retaliatory strike OTRK

                  Assad pulls his end
                  Quote: Kars
                  He entered as soon as struck the first airstrike

                  Israel bombed Ozirak, but did not participate in the Xnumx war itself
                  Quote: Kars
                  We are interested in sdes specifically

                  Quote: Kars
                  , consider the extract option.

                  A bunch of fighter + aircraft AWACS = quality air defense.
                  the horror story about broken runways is not necessary - for this you need to first break through the fighter barrier and strike.
                  SLCM? The only way to deal with axes is to calculate them from above and shoot them down (remember the AGM-54 Phoenix rocket)?
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 12 May 2013 21: 55
                    0
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    Jews?))

                    and what more trouble will the planes give them?
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    or another striking example - Yugoslavia

                    Who shot down more? Or hurt? Air Force or Air Defense?
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    Assad pulls his end

                    How much do not delay
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    Israel bombed Ozirak, but did not participate in the Xnumx war itself

                    Well, Iraq, too, beat the Scades around Israel, and I did not notice Jewish tanks in the Bure.
                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    SLCM? The only way to deal with axes is to calculate them from above and shoot them down (remember the AGM-54 Phoenix rocket)?

                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    hundreds of Tomahawks, thousands of anti-radar "Harms", "Hellfires" from UAVs, ground special forces groups will be used

                    ))))))))))

                    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                    A bunch of fighter + aircraft AWACS = quality air defense.

                    Vet fighters can shoot down? Just like AWACS planes. What’s it like you shot down the S-200 Hokai? And the S-400 should be shot down all the more, and as usual, you won’t be able to hide behind it.
                  2. Irtysh
                    Irtysh 13 May 2013 00: 04
                    0
                    Is there one hundred percent information that Russia will not provide target designation from its satellites and squadron?
    2. ankh-andrej
      ankh-andrej 12 May 2013 15: 33
      0
      Quote: Master
      For in the case of a S-300 attack will be destroyed, without loss from the attackers.

      Well, if only without loss. If vice versa, then this is not a mistake.
    3. Irtysh
      Irtysh 12 May 2013 23: 53
      0
      But Bibi does not understand this, so he rushed to upholster the thresholds of the Kremlin. He is a bad marketer.
  • Andrew
    Andrew 12 May 2013 13: 56
    0
    I don’t understand why Israel attacks the Syrians so much. After all, these are the calmest Arabs in relation to them. These are not the implacable Islamists or Iran with Hezbola who are impatient with Israel. And if the chaos begins in Syria, the militants will climb over the border to the Jews and it is not known if they will have a stolen chemical. weapons
    1. Maitre
      Maitre 12 May 2013 14: 15
      0
      Israel has no interest in intervening in the civil war in Syria. There is "a plague on both their houses." But our only interest is that Assad does not transfer strategic weapons, and every time he tries to do this, convoys of weapons depots for Hezbollah will be destroyed. We have no interest in influencing the civil war in Syria. Nothing personal...
      1. Andrew
        Andrew 12 May 2013 14: 30
        +1
        Why not agree and transfer the Syrian chemical weapons of Russia under a temporary storage agreement with the condition of further return at the end of the conflict to the then legitimate government.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 12 May 2013 16: 49
        -1
        Yes, all this nonsense. If they want to transmit, then they will transmit. It is necessary - they will bring it to our BDK and you can’t do anything. It's just that nobody needs it. And your goals are completely different.
    2. Irtysh
      Irtysh 13 May 2013 00: 06
      0
      They paid, they work out. Then they suffer. Do not worry about them, they have this national tradition.
  • Seraph
    Seraph 12 May 2013 14: 02
    0
    Gog and Magog are ready for action
  • Seraph
    Seraph 12 May 2013 14: 02
    0
    Gog and Magog are ready for action
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 12 May 2013 14: 24
    +2
    The capabilities of Syrian air defense are overestimated in the article. I have already met such a statement that, they say, "Pantsir" did not show itself, because the Israeli aircraft did not enter its affected area. Now, if they had entered ... Why? Who prevents repeating such strikes from Lebanese airspace over and over again? S-300? If they appear there without proper cover by Russian special forces, they will be immediately destroyed by Israeli special forces, and not by aviation.
    BUT! This does not mean that Syria is completely defenseless. No one canceled the retaliatory missile strike at airfields and other objects. If Putin has the will to bring Russian troops and modern equipment into Syria, especially the calculations of the same S-300s, then this will be a different story and you will not envy the Israeli Air Force. But the trouble of Syria is that Russia sold it to Jews with giblets and will never do it. I even more believe that Russia will one day protect Israel from Syria or from someone else. It is enough to look at commodity circulation between countries and understand where more money comes from into the pockets of Russian oligarchs (not into the Russian economy, of course).
    1. Irtysh
      Irtysh 13 May 2013 00: 10
      0
      And why the question is not considered, that Hezbollah can demolish domes with simple martyrs? There they have a passage yard.
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 12 May 2013 14: 28
    +5
    At the end of 2012, the Syrian air defense system destroyed the Turkish reconnaissance aircraft RF-4E “Phantom-2”, demonstrating its effectiveness.

    Multipurpose fighter F-4 Phantom II, one of the main symbols of the Vietnam War. First flight 27 May 1958 years
    Reconnaissance aircraft RF-4 based on the Phantom fighter - maiden flight 1964.

    In fact, Syria’s air defense accidentally destroyed an old bucket of bolts for itself that didn’t take any measures to ensure its own safety - neither technical: (modern electronic warfare systems, trap shots), nor organizational (low-altitude flight profile, special air defense breakthrough techniques, group work aircraft)
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 12 May 2013 14: 41
    +1
    By the way, the very fact of the destruction of this "Phantom" looks ghostly :) It has not been proven that it was shot down. Even if it was shot down and it was "Shell", this is not yet a reason for enthusiasm.
  • Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 12 May 2013 14: 44
    +2
    Quote: Toit
    and Russia is saved by size and climate, so according to YOUR


    Yes, they do. And what's wrong with that? As for nature, in Russia now the fashion has gone "Poplar" to plant. Also not bad, they say, they help with the threat of rocket rain ...
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 12 May 2013 14: 49
    0
    If there is a sufficient number of mobile air defense systems with an increased firing range. Stationary and having a permanent deployment center air defense systems are already at the sight of US missiles.
  • Genady1976
    Genady1976 12 May 2013 14: 55
    +2
    Without help from outside Syria will not stand.
    It's clear like a day crying