The Rooks Have Arrived: Su-25 Attack Jets Against Ukrainian Long-Range Kamikaze UAVs

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The Rooks Have Arrived: Su-25 Attack Jets Against Ukrainian Long-Range Kamikaze UAVs

We have previously discussed the feasibility and opportunities that will be provided the use of Russian Air Force aircraft and helicopters to destroy Ukrainian cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs, and today we will continue to examine the issue of countering Ukrainian air attack weapons (AAW).

At present, the most widespread threat is posed by long-range kamikaze UAVs, for the destruction of which, in addition to anti-aircraft missile The Russian Air Force uses Ka-52 and Mi-28 combat helicopters to combat complexes and mobile fire groups.



Su-25 "Rook" attack aircraft may be considered as a supplement to combat helicopters.

Why do we need to supplement Ka-52 and Mi-28 attack helicopters with Su-25 attack aircraft as kamikaze UAV hunters?


According to open data, the Russian Armed Forces currently have approximately fifty Ka-52M units.

Firstly, attack aircraft will have a greater range against enemy kamikaze UAVs. For example, the combat range of the Ka-52 helicopter (in its attack version) is about 200-250 kilometers, while that of the Su-25 attack aircraft is about 400-500 kilometers at ground level and up to 600-700 kilometers at altitude, that is, approximately 2-3 times greater.

Secondly, reaction speed. While the Ka-52's cruising speed is 250-260 kilometers per hour, the Su-25's reaches 750 kilometers per hour, meaning the attack aircraft can reach its target, destroy it, and move on to the next one much faster.

And thirdly, based on open data, the Russian Air Force's Su-25 attack aircraft have become practically unclaimed assets, meaning it would be a sin not to use them.

Unclaimed property


Su-25-type attack aircraft have long been the subject of debate regarding their use in current and future wars and armed conflicts. This issue is relevant not only for Russia—the United States is also debating the future of the A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft. Incidentally, there are no equivalents to the Su-25 or A-10 Thunderbolt II in other countries.


Relics of a bygone century - A-10 and Su-25 attack aircraft

Currently, according to open data, the Russian Air Force still has about 40 Su-25 units, 110 Su-25SM/SM3 units, 15 Su-25UB units and another 5 Su-25UTG units in the naval air force. aviation.

Of course, given the dominance drones and funds Defense, operating against low-altitude targets, there can be no talk of using attack aircraft for their intended purpose - this would simply send combat vehicles and their pilots to certain death, and firing unguided air-to-air missiles (HAP) at "milk" while pitching up is simply a waste of expensive ammunition and a senseless waste of the resources of combat vehicles.

A more practical solution would be to use Su-25 attack aircraft to launch suitable cruise missiles (CMs). For example, Azerbaijan has integrated Turkish SOM-B1 cruise missiles into the arsenal of its upgraded Su-25 attack aircraft. It can be assumed that the Russian Banderol cruise missile could also be used from upgraded Su-25 attack aircraft.


SOM-B1 and Su-25 cruise missiles of the Azerbaijani Air Force

However, it appears that the Su-25 attack aircraft are also not the optimal platform for launching cruise missiles, since even Ukraine, which clearly has a shortage of high-precision missile carriers, weapons, did not modify its existing Su-25s to launch Storm Shadow and Skalp-EG cruise missiles.

At the same time, the shortcomings of the Su-25 attack aircraft, which make them practically useless in modern warfare, can turn into advantages if these aircraft are used competently to intercept long-range kamikaze UAVs.

From attack aircraft to interceptor


Turning the Su-25 attack aircraft into an interceptor sounds absurd?

Not at all, everything depends on the nature of the targets being hit – after all, we are not going to intercept supersonic strategic reconnaissance aircraft SR-71 or fifth-generation fighters F-22A with Su-25.

For example, in Peru, Su-25 attack aircraft were very effective in shooting down light-engine drug-trafficking aircraft – from 1998 to 2001, 25 drug-trafficking aircraft were shot down, 24 of which were destroyed with a GSh-30-2 rapid-fire aircraft cannon, and another with an R-60 air-to-air missile.

What's the difference between drug smugglers' light aircraft and long-range kamikaze UAVs?

Well, essentially nothing, except that, unlike kamikaze UAVs, drug traffickers' planes can perform unpredictable and intense evasive maneuvers, especially if a highly professional pilot is in the cockpit. (drug dealers can easily afford these).

Why do we need the Su-25 attack aircraft as a long-range kamikaze UAV interceptor, and not some other aircraft? What are its advantages?

Firstly, the design of these aircraft is optimized for low-altitude, low-speed flights, precisely where long-range kamikaze UAVs “live,” while, as we have already mentioned above, the maximum speed of the Su-25 is significantly higher than that of kamikaze UAVs, which allows them to pursue, catch up with, and destroy them even when detected at a great distance from the interceptor.

At the same time, the minimum flight speed of the Su-25 is about 210-230 kilometers per hour, which will allow it to approach kamikaze UAVs flying at a speed of about 120-180 kilometers per hour, with comparable speeds.

Secondly, when hunting kamikaze UAVs at low altitudes, there is an increased risk of collision with birds, as well as with shrapnel from a downed target, especially when using small arms and cannon weapons, and the Su-25 attack aircraft have armor and high resistance to damage, increasing the likelihood of their survival in such conditions.

During the Afghan War and the Chechen campaigns, there were repeated cases where Su-25 attack aircraft returned to the airfield after being hit by Stinger man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) or anti-aircraft fire. artillery (FOR), completely disabling one of the engines.


Even with such damage, the pilot returned the Su-25 to the airfield.

Thirdly, as we mentioned above, based on open data, the Su-25 attack aircraft are currently practically unclaimed and are idle at airbases. The cost of their operation and flight hour should be minimal, and in the context of a hypothetical war with the US/NATO, these aircraft would be practically useless.

What are the disadvantages of the Su-25 as a platform designed to intercept long-range kamikaze UAVs?

First of all, there is a virtually complete lack of reconnaissance capabilities, since the Su-25 lacks a radar station, and its optical reconnaissance equipment is outdated. This can be corrected by providing external target designation, as well as by upgrading the Su-25 itself.

Another problem is the short service life of the R-195 turbojet engines, which is only about 500 hours. However, firstly, we still have a fairly developed engine-building industry, so it is certainly possible to ensure the repair and restoration of technically simple R-195 turbojet engines, for example, at the manufacturer, PJSC Ufa Engine-Building Production Association. Secondly, we have over 150 Su-25 aircraft, so it is possible to temporarily engage in cannibalization, and R-195 turbojet engines and spare parts for them may well be in storage warehouses.


R-195 turbojet engine

Is the Su-25's armament optimized for engaging ground targets?

Yes, this is true, but this is also a solvable issue.

Let's consider the proposed modifications to the Su-25 for its use as a hunter of long-range kamikaze UAVs; we will designate the conditional modification intended for solving this problem as the Su-25P (interceptor).

External target designation


The first task we face is obtaining primary intelligence from external sources. These could include airborne early warning and control (AWACS) aircraft, Su-35 fighters, MiG-31 interceptors, ground-based air defense radars, and other sources.

The use of Ka-52M combat helicopters, which are equipped with an active phased array radar (AESA), as AWACS helicopters cannot be ruled out.

Unfortunately, based on open data, Russia has not yet deployed an acoustic network for detecting kamikaze UAVs, the possibility and necessity of which we discussed earlier in the article. "Global Ear": a network for detecting enemy air attacks.


One of the tools Ukraine uses to paint such picturesque pictures of the flight paths of our missiles and UAVs is acoustic reconnaissance equipment.

To obtain external target designation, a graphic information display tablet can be installed in the Su-25P cockpit, which is not integrated into the aircraft's onboard radio-electronic equipment (avionics).

The possibility and necessity of providing the aircraft's avionics with its own coordinates (the Su-25SM variant is believed to have a GLONASS receiver) and connecting to the communications subsystem are questionable. If providing coordinates and connecting to the Su-25's communications system is impossible, then these must be provided by separate solutions.

Satellite navigation receivers are unlikely to be an issue, and for communications, we could consider installing terminals from JSC "Information Satellite Systems" named after Academician M.F. Reshetnev. We don't need to transmit a video signal, and the speed should be sufficient to obtain the coordinates of a kamikaze UAV. "Classic" digital radios of various frequency ranges, including those operating on a mesh network, as well as cellular modems, could also be considered.


Satellite terminals of JSC "Information Satellite Systems" named after Academician M.F. Reshetnev. Image reshetnev-signal.ru

Search, capture and tracking of targets


Theoretically, it may be possible to search for or conduct a follow-up search of enemy kamikaze UAVs using one's own resources. As with external target designation equipment, we will not consider options for a thorough modernization of the basic design of the Su-25 and its avionics; accordingly, the only option is to use containerized reconnaissance equipment.

The simplest and most realistic solution is an optical reconnaissance pod with a high-quality thermal imager. Perhaps a modified reconnaissance pod from the Sych family, the UKR-OE, which is currently used on the Su-34M fighter-bombers, or some solution based on it, would be suitable. (existing UKR-OE containers are more focused on searching for ground targets, in addition, their lenses are oriented sideways – perpendicular to the direction of flight of the carrier).


The Su-25P will have far greater capabilities if it is equipped with a radar pod. The "Kopyo" radar pod was previously developed for this aircraft, but development was then apparently curtailed.


There is also a suspended container "Sych" "UKR-RL", designed for active radar reconnaissance, the only problem is that, as in the case of the container "UKR-OE", its radar is oriented perpendicular to the direction of flight of the carrier, which is not suitable for us, nevertheless, potentially, a suspended container with a radar can be created based on the developments of the container "Sych" "UKR-RL" or on the "Kopyo" project, or some new solutions.

Ideally, the Su-25P kamikaze UAV interceptor should carry two pods on underwing pylons—one with a radar and one with a thermal imager/daylight video camera. If the radar pod is difficult to secure, the pylons can accommodate two thermal imager/daylight video camera pods, with optics providing a narrow field of view on one pod and a wide field of view on the other.

Target hit


The Su-25 attack aircraft's basic armament includes R-60 air-to-air missiles. These missiles are no longer in production, and their inventory levels are unknown. Although they occasionally appear on the battlefield, several of these missiles were even installed on Geranium-class kamikaze UAVs. However, relying on them to hunt kamikaze UAVs is clearly unjustified, as their outdated infrared seeker is unlikely to be able to detect the weak thermal radiation emitted by the piston engines of kamikaze UAVs.

There is no point in replacing the R-60 air-to-air missiles with the modern R-73/RVV-MD due to the high cost of the latter, at least relative to the cost of kamikaze UAVs.

Perhaps it would make sense to consider mounting a pair of missiles, similar to those used in the Igla/Verba man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), on the outer underwing pylons, but these are also not cheap and should appear in the Su-25P interceptor's arsenal more "just in case," for example, when the target has already been lost and is approaching some important object whose destruction or damage would cost incomparably more than the cost of the missile, or on a target that cannot be shot down by other means, such as a cruise missile.


Igla missiles under the wing of an Mi-28 combat helicopter.

The Su-25P's main weapon for hunting long-range kamikaze UAVs should be its cannon armament.

In particular, the standard 2-barrel 30-mm aircraft cannon GSh-30-2 must be equipped with projectiles with remote detonation on the trajectory and modified for their programming/initiation (depending on what method of detonation is used)Of course, this is only possible if the information about the use of such projectiles by Ka-52M combat helicopters against enemy kamikaze UAVs, which we discussed in the previous article, is real.

Projectiles with remote detonation on the trajectory will allow the Su-25P to attack kamikaze UAVs from a long distance without the risk of flying into a cloud of debris. Without these projectiles, the feasibility of operating the standard GSh-30-2 aircraft cannon is highly questionable.

The second method of using cannon armament involves placing two to four SPPU-22-1 containers on underwing pylons, each of which contains a twin 23-mm rapid-fire GSh-23 cannon and 260 rounds of ammunition.


The expected composition of the Su-25P's armament and equipment

The advantage of the SPPU-22-1 is that it is a removable gun Movable The installation, that is, the GSh-23 barrels can be tilted up to 30 degrees downwards, and the SPPU-22-1 can be suspended either with the barrels forward or backwards.

Thus, thanks to the SPPU-22-1 installation, the upgraded Su-25P will be able to attack long-range kamikaze UAVs from above, mid-flight, without the risk of being caught in a debris cloud. To increase the target hit probability, shrapnel or fragmentation munitions may be developed for the GSh-23 automatic cannons. Their additional advantage will be the shorter range at which the fragments pose a threat. We don't need a longer range, as the attack will in any case be carried out at an altitude exceeding a hundred or a couple hundred meters, unlikely more.


The suspended container must accompany the captured kamikaze UAV until it is destroyed. The optimal solution might be to implement an additional automatic fire mode, in which the pilot presses and holds the trigger, but fire is only opened when the kamikaze UAV enters the kill zone of the GSh-23 automatic cannons. The automatic system can also change the angle of the aircraft cannons, ensuring tracking of the target being fired upon.

Accordingly, when placing two containers in the direction of flight and two containers against the direction of flight, the target can be successively attacked twice (if it was not shot down the first time).

Application tactics


It will largely depend on how effectively the Russian Armed Forces detect Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs moving over our country's territory.

In the simplest case, upon receiving information about an enemy kamikaze UAV entering a country's airspace, an emergency takeoff of Su-25P attack interceptors on duty is carried out, and they then immediately head to a priority group of targets.

The target approach is carried out in pursuit. If possible, the maximum number of targets are sequentially destroyed in a single pass. If necessary, the target approaches are repeated as many times as necessary, until entering the area of ​​responsibility of air defense helicopters and air defense missile systems.

An important point to consider when destroying a kamikaze UAV in this manner is the absence of populated areas and industrial facilities within the kill zone, that is, actually beneath the aircraft.

By the way, for those who think this is too dangerous, it is worth remembering such a natural phenomenon as gravity - when shooting, no matter parallel to the Earth's surface or vertically upward, bullets and shells will sooner or later inevitably fall, but predicting their fall location when shooting forward or upward is much more difficult than when shooting downward.

The portion of the kamikaze UAVs that manage to break through is first shot down by air defense helicopters, and then by air defense missile systems and mobile task forces armed with small arms and FPV interceptors.

Conclusions


There are many ways to destroy slow-moving, low-flying, long-range kamikaze UAVs, and the Russian Armed Forces are increasingly using them.

However, the problem still remains: enemy kamikaze UAVs are still flying, and therefore it is necessary to find and test new ways to combat this threat.

Su-25P attack interceptors could become another important element of the country's anti-drone air defense system, complementing mobile fire teams, anti-aircraft missile systems, and combat helicopters.

It is possible that these combat vehicles will not have another chance to effectively serve the country and effectively end their careers.
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  1. + 25
    4 March 2026 04: 19
    Unfortunately, the General Staff has some "commanders" who serve by the principle: "The day is over and...that's it." Thinking isn't their thing; they were given a hat, and they know how to growl...
    1. +7
      4 March 2026 17: 54
      Decades before the SVO and during the four years of the SVO itself, no one even scratched their heads about taking advantage of others' experience and converting old, cheap unguided rockets into guided munitions, like the APKWS II missiles. And no one has yet created pods for reconnaissance and target acquisition. With these two components, which can be attached to anything that can fly, it's possible to hunt both UAVs and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) on a budget. And along the border, we could create a network of acoustic sensors (smartphones can be adapted) mounted on cell phone towers to detect low-flying UAVs and even cruise missiles. But yes, we have cast iron in stock, so we'll hang it up and throw it at unmanned aerial vehicles. Wait a little while, and they'll start throwing it at UAVs. To all the astonished questions, there's one ironclad answer: "We don't have anything else."
      1. +6
        4 March 2026 18: 12
        Is it for nothing that generals wear oak leaves on their lapels? And they're not at all concerned with what they, or rather, the troops entrusted to them, will fight, but with completely different matters. With rare exceptions.
  2. +2
    4 March 2026 04: 43

    It is possible that these combat vehicles will not have another chance to effectively serve the country and effectively end their careers.
    You can try
    1. +7
      4 March 2026 05: 05
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      You can try

      Golden quotes of our time (I don’t like the word meme):
      It is possible, but why?
      1. +3
        4 March 2026 05: 07
        Quote: Puncher
        It is possible, but why?

        And so that drones don't fly... feel
      2. 0
        5 March 2026 10: 42
        Quote: Puncher
        Golden quotes of our time (I don’t like the word meme):
        It is possible, but why?

        Because it's stupid—the Su-25 doesn't have its own search and rescue system, and a podded pod would only clutter the cramped cockpit with an extra indicator/screen. Besides, the Su-25 has plenty of missions, both now and for the next 10 years.
        If you need a lightweight, inexpensive, yet easy-to-use drone interceptor, the Yak-130M already has it. The navigator-operator can search and identify targets. A radar (or a suspended pod-mounted radar), a target acquisition system, and a laser designator for the MD missile system based on an 80mm NUR provide the necessary conditions for searching and intercepting small, low-flying targets. The aircraft is inexpensive, new, with reliable engines and a two-seat cockpit. It is easy to deploy. However, for airborne situational awareness, it also requires external target designation and low-altitude airborne situational awareness. In other words, it requires radars on tethered balloons.
        By the way, where are they?
        It seems like a couple of developers started working on them at the beginning of SVO. It's about time.
        Quote: Puncher
        It is possible, but why?

        Well, at least so that it doesn’t hit the Kremlin or some residence in Valdai again.
        1. +1
          5 March 2026 10: 44
          Quote: bayard
          That is, radars on tethered balloons are needed.
          By the way, where are they?

          In the same place where comrade Suslov is...
          1. +1
            5 March 2026 10: 45
            It's far away, we need to look somewhere closer.
            1. 0
              5 March 2026 10: 49
              The Su-25 does not have its own search and rescue system.

              The Yak-130, even more so, doesn't even have a laser rangefinder. And a drone warhead explosion (quite likely) could be tragic for the Yak-130. The Su-25 (as the author noted), thanks to its armored cockpit and armored glass, is far more resistant to close-in explosions. And it doesn't need its own detection systems; ground guidance is sufficient.
              1. 0
                5 March 2026 12: 40
                Why would an aircraft need close-in explosions? It's not going to shoot at attack UAVs with warheads weighing tens of kilograms point-blank with its cannon. We demonstrated the MD missile defense system based on the 80mm caliber NUR at exhibitions about 10 years ago. Technically, it's not a difficult task; the main challenge is making such a laser seeker cheap and mass-produced, perhaps on the same basis as the Vikhr seeker. And integrating the laser designator with the radar and optical sights. All of this can be installed as standard on the Yak-130M. This would create a lightweight, low-cost interceptor for enemy attack UAVs. And such a laser guidance system with the MD missile defense system should also be installed on conventional fighters; it would be useful. We need to replicate what the US has done.
                Quote: Puncher
                And he doesn’t need his own detection means; guidance from the ground is sufficient.

                And who will guide it from the ground? And with what means of detection/control of the air defense system?
                So, only tethered AWACS balloons for low-altitude monitoring, in large numbers, with the creation of continuous WWI monitoring lines. And with AWACS aircraft/helicopters on standby as a backup in case/during the balloon deployment "downwind" or for other reasons. Now, ONLY the construction of a continuous radar field during WWI, as was the case during the Soviet era in the border zone and to provide air defense for targets. Such times have come.
  3. +5
    4 March 2026 05: 24
    You could also use a Tu-22 for drone hunting; they're still sitting there, forgotten, out of use, somewhere. And if you really get creative, you could even use a Tu-160. Easy! wink
    1. -1
      4 March 2026 05: 53
      Tu-22s can also be used for hunting drones; they are still standing somewhere, forgotten and out of use.

      The planes were used until 1994, so the pioneers had long ago scrapped them and sold the metal to China. :)
  4. +1
    4 March 2026 05: 50
    Well done, it's a great idea 👍 and it's fast and high-quality. You can also install a thermal penetrator and you won't need a radar. No, of course you will. You can install an AESA from a Ka-52, it will fit, but it needs to be done in 22. am
    R-60 is a lot, GSh-23-2 is the best there is soldier
    1. +5
      4 March 2026 08: 54
      Why? The Su-25 is a heavy, well-protected attack aircraft designed specifically for ground support. There's also a combat version of the Yak-130, which already has radar and air-to-air missiles.
      1. +3
        4 March 2026 09: 55
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        Why? The Su-25 is a heavy, well-protected attack aircraft designed specifically for ground support. There's also a combat version of the Yak-130, which already has radar and air-to-air missiles.

        The point is that the Yak-130M is practically not in service.
      2. +1
        5 March 2026 00: 56
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        Why? The Su-25 is a heavy, well-protected attack aircraft designed specifically for ground support. There's also a combat version of the Yak-130, which already has radar and air-to-air missiles.

        The Yak-130 not only lacks a radar, but there's no room to house one. Both the radar and the radar are housed in external pods.
        It even has two radars: the BRLS-130R and the Bars-130. The first was shown as a mockup in 2014, the second in 2019. The SOLT-130K radar is also mounted externally.
        I couldn't find any information about the launch of these new products into production. And even if they did begin production, there's no one to integrate them into the Yak-130's avionics. The Yakovlev Design Bureau is a dead developer. It's now nothing more than a brand, formally existing but lacking any real design potential. Yes, a Ya-130 loaded with weapons flies around air shows. But where and when did it actually use them? Apparently, there's information about its combat use in Iran. But are these aircraft production-ready or were they made "in laboratory conditions"? Were they manufactured in Russia? Or were they refitted by the Chinese?
        1. 0
          5 March 2026 08: 34
          Seriously? Where are you from? Don't you read the press at all?
          The modernized combat Yak-130M has a new radar, sight and defense system.
          https://ria.ru/20240812/jakovlev-1965665068.html
          The BRLS-130R airborne radar and its combat capabilities
          📌 "The Yak-130M's onboard radar is capable of detecting air targets, including fourth-generation fighters, at a distance of 80-100 km."
  5. +7
    4 March 2026 05: 54
    In the fifth year, new ideas emerged... None of this will happen. It's good that at least they invented the Yolka. Although, the question is, how many of them are produced. It would have been a great help to Belgorod residents.
  6. +1
    4 March 2026 06: 29
    It's all bullshit. MOGs ride around with machine guns, cheap and cheerful, and you can sell the rooks... to Azerbaijan)))
    1. -1
      4 March 2026 10: 02
      Quote from Mazunga
      MOGs ride with machine guns cheap and cheerful

      1.efficiency?
      How many were shot down per 100 MTFs/per 10000 units of ammunition?
      2. Cheap?
      2 gunners, 1 driver, 1 listener with opera glasses.
      All in platoons (+platoon commander) + clerk + radio operator + supply chief and special officer
      We need 3 shifts, UAZs don't break down, they don't consume fuel, so we can do without a repair shop, fuel, and spare parts.
      ™️ Air Defense Cavalry: Simulating vigorous activity is pointless and dangerous
      1. +1
        4 March 2026 18: 14
        And we also need a political officer. Who will tell the personnel how to heroically defend their homeland?
      2. +1
        5 March 2026 06: 20
        You're looking for something economical with your usual eye, but I'm looking for a place to sell it and still report a good price. A plane costs up to...a lot, but a UAZ isn't much. For some, 40 rubles is enough, and they're happy. But you can make money with a UAZ, too. A driver is generally a good profession, and there are standards for gas and travel.
  7. +2
    4 March 2026 07: 11
    We had several drones flying over the city with the help of the Ka-52, it was quite a sight to behold.
  8. -4
    4 March 2026 07: 19
    It's logical that a long-range drone is a target the size of a U-2, and the Su-25 can logically beat any WWII-era fighter.
    1. +1
      4 March 2026 07: 35
      How much does an Su-25 flight hour cost? It also needs to be redesigned and fitted with a detection system. Wouldn't it be better to copy a biplane fighter from the early WWII, the same plywood design, with a more powerful engine and modern armament?
      1. +1
        4 March 2026 07: 39
        It's certainly less than an hour's flight for the F-22 over the balloons and the Polish F-35 over the plastic Gerbers. laughing The article says that it is an emergency measure, for example, if someone approaches a protected facility, such as a nuclear power plant, it is justified here.
      2. +4
        4 March 2026 12: 34
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        How much does one hour of Su-25 flight cost?

        There's no need for them to fly for hours in the patrol area. These attack aircraft should be deployed in alert formations at airfields along the entire border and take off as soon as enemy UAVs are detected by reconnaissance assets.
        1. 0
          4 March 2026 15: 19
          Quote: Askold65
          These attack aircraft must be distributed in duty units across airfields along the entire border and take off as soon as they are detected.

          1. The Aerospace Forces had 190 Su-25s (which ones were actually flyable is a mystery). Let's assume there are 100 left.
          2. Combat radius ~300 km
          Civil and military airfields in the southwest
          3. There should be 3 shifts
          1+2+3 = there won't be enough sides or runways.
          Quote: Askold65
          as soon as enemy UAVs are detected by reconnaissance means.

          Air Defense☝️
          Intelligence does not monitor the airspace.
          1. +1
            4 March 2026 15: 42
            Quote: don_Reba
            2. Combat radius ~300 km
            Civil and military airfields in the southwest
            3. There should be 3 shifts
            1+2+3 = there won't be enough sides or runways.

            If there aren't enough for the entire border, then concentrate them in the southwest. Or close off another direction. Strange reasoning – if there aren't enough for the entire border anyway, then there's no need to use them at all... request
            Quote: don_Reba
            Air Defense☝️
            Intelligence does not monitor the airspace.

            But isn't air defense about detecting (reconnaissance) air targets?
            1. -1
              4 March 2026 16: 21
              Quote: Askold65
              and there is no need to use them at all...

              Yes, yes, yes. Only the Su-25 is an attack aircraft, not a fighter/interceptor.
              They are better for destroying the enemy, columns, etc. (the fact that they throw NURS and cast iron past is a matter for the striped strategists)
              Quote: Askold65
              And isn't air defense about detection (reconnaissance)?

              Not only that, but also destruction and so on.
              The main tasks of the air defense:
              include detection, identification, tracking and destruction of air targets, as well as attack prevention, layered protection of objects and reconnaissance of the air situation

              We don’t call them: identifiers, escorts, destroyers or echelonists?
              Main objectives of reconnaissance

              Awareness: Obtaining accurate information about enemy forces, assets, and intentions.
              Eliminating surprise: Preventing unexpected attacks.
              Ensuring the effectiveness of actions: Creating conditions for precise planning of operations and use of weapons.
              Terrain Assessment: Determining the geographic and hydrographic characteristics of the area of ​​operations
              1. 0
                4 March 2026 18: 23
                Quote: don_Reba
                Yes, yes, yes. Only the Su-25 is an attack aircraft, not a fighter/interceptor.

                Yeah... as well as attack helicopters.
                Quote: don_Reba
                They are better for destroying the enemy, columns, etc. (the fact that they throw NURS and cast iron past is a matter for the striped strategists)

                To achieve this, these aircraft need to be FULLY equipped with new avionics and weapons.
                Quote: don_Reba
                Not only that, but also destruction and so on.

                I'm talking about reconnaissance (detection) of targets as a necessary condition before destruction, etc.
                Quote: don_Reba
                The main tasks of the air defense:
                include detection, identification, tracking.....

                This is done by radars, as well as RTR (radio technical reconnaissance) stations, optical, optoelectronic, etc.
                The tasks of the air defense include continuous reconnaissance to detect air targets, identify them, warn the relevant structures about their appearance, and then track and destroy them.
                In air defense units, reconnaissance solves the following tasks:
                - timely detection, determination of the composition, coordinates, characteristics of air targets and continuous monitoring of them;
                - providing target designation;
                - detection of airborne assault forces and observation of their actions;
                - identification of own aircraft (helicopters);
                - monitoring the shooting results;
                - study of the SVN, tactical methods of their actions, the nature and intensity of the interference used;
                - observation of the position and actions of the ground enemy and its own troops;
                - reconnaissance of the terrain along the routes of movement and in areas of deployment in combat order.

                To carry out reconnaissance tasks in an anti-aircraft missile battery, the following reconnaissance means are used:
                1. Radar – SOC BM 9A331(9A33).
                2. Radiotechnical – passive direction finders 9S13.
                3. Optical (Bi-8, TZK) and optoelectronic (TOV BM).
                1. 0
                  4 March 2026 18: 35
                  The helicopter has the ability to hover.
                  (Well, it's still expensive, ineffective nonsense.)
                  FULLY 🥱 can fully or partially train pilots in aerial combat (2 or 3 years).
                  I wrote that the Su-25 is so-so against UAVs.
                  Quote: Askold65
                  I'm talking about reconnaissance (detection)

                  So this is all the components and competence of the air defense
                  1. 0
                    4 March 2026 19: 17
                    Quote: don_Reba
                    The helicopter has the ability to hover.

                    Does that make it an interceptor? belay Speed ​​is crucial for an interceptor, and the Su-25's speed is at least twice that of a helicopter.
                    Quote: don_Reba
                    So this is all the components and competence of the air defense

                    Well, the article also suggests using the Su-25 as an air defense aircraft with some modifications.
                    1. +1
                      4 March 2026 19: 36
                      When there's no fish, even fish with crayfish, and the helicopter pilot already has a KAM "Strelets" with "Igla-S/V" on board
                      and ATGM Vikhr (laser), Shturm (rocket + laser), Kokoon/Ataka (rocket-launcher)
                      Here is the interception

                      BC "Strelets" is already on board.
                      Yes, and pistol distance.
                      Terribly expensive.

                      The Su-25 has a stall speed of 210-230 km/h (this should still be with a clean wing), and it will have to intercept rattlers running at 120-140 km/h.
                      It's not much fun: take a gun, accelerate your car to 100 km/h and try to hit them, even if they're not maneuvering.
                      Quote: Askold65
                      Well, the Su-25 is also suggested in the article.

                      Mitrofanyevshchina.
                      I don't call it stupidity, as long as I don't get banned. It's just a plan.
                      Needed: Yak-52, Su-26, AN-2
                      1. 0
                        4 March 2026 19: 51
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        The helicopter pilot already has a Strelets KAM with an Igla-S/V on board
                        and ATGM Vikhr (laser), Shturm (rocket + laser), Kokoon/Ataka (rocket-launcher)

                        The Su-25 also has the Vikhr ATGM. But the aircraft will reach its target sooner and at a greater distance. The whole point is to hit the UAV with cheap ammunition...
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        The Su-25 has a stall speed of 210-230 km/h (this should still be with a clean wing), and it will have to intercept rattlers running at 120-140 km/h.

                        Well, well... laughing How do Ukrainian F-16s and Mirage-2000s intercept Geraniums? And our Su-30s manage to shoot down naval BEKs with their cannons (though they're taking a risk...).
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        It's not much fun: take a gun, accelerate your car to 100 km/h and try to hit them, even if they're not maneuvering.

                        Stormtroopers are training to fire their guns at ground targets. How do they do it at such speed? what
                      2. +2
                        4 March 2026 20: 39
                        Quote: Askold65
                        But the aircraft will reach the target sooner and at a greater distance. The whole point is to hit the UAV with cheap ammunition...

                        And it will catch up and overtake and pass by.
                        The Su-25's barrel axis is tied to the aircraft's axis, and it doesn't fly in antigravity: all you have to do is keep an eye on how to avoid crashing while aiming the plane at 300 km/h, and that's all you do, SPM: eye on the aerobatic cross, half an eye on the target, the rest of your eye watching to make sure you don't crash. And you only have one brain.
                        And the KA-52 cannon has guidance angles (regardless of the axis):
                        horizon -1 to +9, vertical -36 to +1.
                        The pilot hovered, puffing on a cigar. The weapons operator aimed the weapon, set it to tracking/lead (maybe the electronic brain is calculating there), the pilot turned: bang-bang
                        Quote: Askold65
                        How do Ukrainian F-16s and Mirage-2000s intercept Geraniums? And how do our Su-30s manage to shoot down naval BEKs with their cannons?

                        I don’t know about them, I wasn’t there.
                        I know that one pilot tried to fly a MiG-29 from the wind forces - they buried it in parts.
                        An Su-30SM, right in front of my ears (dark and far away, and I'd left my binoculars on the hunt), was chasing a back-up fighter (or back-up fighters) half the night. A howl, a roar, half the night. I couldn't tell who won: the fuel supply or the limited ammunition.
                        Then, with the binoculars I'd bought again, I watched through the eyes of a Ka-27 (maybe a 29): boom, boom, and the BEK sank. It's a shame I was standing waist-deep in water (the viewing angle wasn't right). I waved to the crew.
                        And Ka was led out to strike: Orion (a rare guest in our area).
                        There was no phone (there was no connection), otherwise the photos/videos would have been exclusive.
                        Quote: Askold65
                        Stormtroopers are training to fire their guns at ground targets. How do they do it at such speed?

                        -I'm not a stormtrooper💁
                        - Do they even hit the target? Or are they like NURSs with pitched missiles, wherever Allah sends them?
                        🤦 Aaa, are you the gender of "aviadarts" and citizen Shoigu?
                        Then yes: no problem.
                      3. 0
                        4 March 2026 21: 25
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        .......eye on the aerobatic cross, half an eye behind the target, the rest of the eye watching so that it doesn’t get shot down.

                        Who will "take him down" during a UAV attack in the rear area? belay
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        The Su-25's gun barrel axis is tied to the aircraft's axis...do they even hit the target?

                        The A-10, as an aircraft, is built "around" its cannon and... hits, creating a "sieve" of uranium crowbars in the tank's roof. Our pilots were also trained to use cannons against ground targets.
                        The Su-25's small turning radius (450-500 m) helped pilots when planning an attack: after detecting a target, they could immediately make a sharp turn towards it, and during repeated approaches, make turns without losing sight of the enemy, and finish off the aircraft, economically using ammunition.
                        https://warfor.me/su-25/

                        Quote: don_Reba
                        I don’t know about them, I wasn’t there.

                        For them, it's something else... laughing
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        I know that one pilot tried to fly a MiG-29 from the wind forces - they buried it in parts.

                        Our MiG-29s did it the easy way - they flew over the "Reaper" (or whatever it's called) and knocked it into the sea with their jet streams (there's a theory that they dropped kerosene, but Magomet Tolboev denies this, because fighters don't have that "option").
                        Quote: don_Reba
                        Aaa, are you the gender of "Aviadarts" and citizen Shoigu?

                        And you, I suppose, are from the "Night Witches" regiment on Po-2/biplanes...with purchased binoculars laughing
                      4. 0
                        5 March 2026 01: 16
                        Quote: Askold65
                        The A-10, as an aircraft, is built "around" its cannon and... hits, creating a "sieve" of uranium crowbars in the tank's roof. Our pilots were also trained to use cannons against ground targets.


                        With uranium crowbars? At UAVs? Are you serious? Do you realize that out of a 20-round burst, 10 will miss, while the other 10 will pierce the UAV? And they'll all go down to where their own are. The US fired crowbars at tanks. Tanks are huge and made of iron. And they can't maneuver in altitude or course at speeds of 100-200 km/h. By firing armor-piercing rounds at UAVs from an airplane, you'll cause more damage to the ground.

                        Quote: Askold65
                        The A-10, as an airplane, is built "around" the gun and... hits,


                        Have you seen this gun in photos? It's a monster. Its barrel is 2.20 meters long. And the GSh-30-2 all one meter ninety-seven in length.

                        Quote: Askold65
                        And you, I suppose, are from the "Night Witches" regiment on Po-2/biplanes... with purchased binoculars laughing

                        The man described to you the problem of an airplane attack. low-speed targets. And he made it clear that modern aircraft are ill-suited for intercepting UAVs and unmanned aerial vehicles—they're too fast. The author of the article wrote absolute nonsense, proposing to convert the Su-25 into a drone fighter. For this purpose, helicopters are needed. And not the Mi-28 or Ka-52, nor the armed Ansats and Ka-226.
                      5. 0
                        5 March 2026 10: 57
                        Quote: Askold65
                        The Su-25 also has the Vikhr ATGM.

                        Only the Su-25T, which never went into production.
                        The combat Su-25 has cast iron, air-to-ground missiles (Kh-25, Kh-29) and R-60.
                  2. 0
                    4 March 2026 21: 05
                    Quote: don_Reba
                    The helicopter has the ability to hover.
                    (Well, it's still expensive, ineffective nonsense.)
                    FULLY 🥱 can fully or partially train pilots in aerial combat (2 or 3 years).

                    The Mi-24s, in hover mode, fired their cannons quite accurately at a decent distance from the target.
      3. +1
        4 March 2026 12: 47
        How much does one hour of Su-25 flight cost?

        How do you calculate how much it costs? The aircraft's service life is close to zero—it's just scrap. So, it turns out that it needs to be scrapped, meaning fuel, maintenance, repairs, and the pilot's upkeep. Building a plywood plane is certainly possible, but that also costs money—capital expenditure. Then we'll need to build more Komikaze air defense drones. Things are already moving along nicely.
        1. DO
          +3
          4 March 2026 18: 39
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          Of course, it's possible to build a plywood airplane, but that also costs money - capital expenditures

          When it comes to Russia's counter-drone air defense, the most important thing isn't even money, but time. No matter how simple the "plywood airplane" may be, it takes time to develop, test, and launch mass production. And that takes years, during which Russia could lose its infrastructure and, consequently, lose the war.
          The solution proposed in this article to use existing Su-25s, especially those rejected by the Air Defense Forces for battlefield use and rendered useless, is spot-on—here they are: air-based long-range drone interception systems, over 100 in number! The only question is how long it will take to organize the production of 150 Kopyo radars and integrate them into the Su-25. An interceptor without a radar is like a blind hunter searching for prey by touch.
      4. 0
        21 June 2026 10: 40
        Then we'll take the Tucano or a large aircraft drone. We can't copy the U-2 (Po-2), and we haven't been able to make a crop duster for decades.
  9. +1
    4 March 2026 07: 32
    The Su-25 is no good. It's expensive and has poor detection systems. We need a system like the one in Moscow in 1941, with acoustic detectors, and light fighters like the I-15—cheap, fast enough, with a machine gun battery, maybe even unmanned.
    1. +1
      4 March 2026 21: 10
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      We need a system similar to the Moscow system of 1941, sound detectors

      The detection level of which was... - well, read it yourself...

      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Light fighters, like the I15, are cheap, fast enough, with a battery of machine guns, and can be unmanned.
      Do you know where to get them? And pilots for them?
      1. 0
        21 June 2026 10: 42
        Like a Po-2 or a Tucano. The guy said unmanned.
        1. 0
          21 June 2026 11: 25
          Quote: salawat1980
          Like a Po-2 or a Tucano. The guy said unmanned.

          Do you think it's much easier to control the Tucano/PO-2 as a UAV than to fly it yourself?
  10. +1
    4 March 2026 08: 32
    What are the disadvantages of the Su-25 as a platform designed to intercept long-range kamikaze UAVs?

    Will the author figure it out themselves or should I suggest it? The main drawback is two engines! Not to mention the complete redesign of the avionics...
  11. +1
    4 March 2026 09: 18
    Chasing aircraft-type drones with the SU-25T? Hmm... If it provides external targeting, then yes. The R60M RVV could be converted into an interceptor.
    It would be easier to create an analogue of the EMB-314 Super Tucano, it is lightweight, can be used as an interceptor and is cheap to maintain.
    1. +7
      4 March 2026 11: 36
      Quote: dragon772
      It would be easier to create an analogue of the EMB-314 Super Tucano, it is lightweight, can be used as an interceptor and is cheap to maintain.

      Of course, it's easier. Right after the An-2 replacement aircraft. laughing
    2. 0
      4 March 2026 18: 42
      SU-25T

      The article doesn't list this Su-25 variant as being in Russian service. So, flying them won't work in any case.
  12. 0
    4 March 2026 09: 19
    The Rooks Have Arrived: Su-25 Attack Jets Against Ukrainian Long-Range Kamikaze UAVs

    This is already the 5th year of the SVO...
  13. +1
    4 March 2026 10: 27
    Until the military gets a kick in the pants, no one will dare to do anything.
    1. -1
      4 March 2026 18: 18
      The thing is that the ground forces in the aviation and navy, well, like the well-known symbol of Ukraine, know their way around oranges.
  14. +1
    4 March 2026 11: 38
    The author's frequent use of the word "should" suggests that nothing proposed has been implemented.
    To do this requires time and resources that the company does not have.
    It is generally unclear whether there are any factories left with Su-25 equipment.
    But the most important thing is the balance between speed, maneuverability, and aiming on the Su-25. This will be a major problem.
    Shoot by eye, because the laser rangefinder is aimed at the ground.
    And all these containers are the work of the devil. It's called cramming in the uncrammable.
    Helicopters are ruling!!!
    1. -1
      4 March 2026 12: 45
      Quote: SergeySmirnov3663
      Shoot by eye, because the laser rangefinder is aimed at the ground. And all sorts of containers are a sign of evil.

      What if we simply fly over the UAV and then climb? Our MiGs already shot down an American drone over the Black Sea using this technique.
  15. +2
    4 March 2026 14: 48
    Why not use the Yak-130 then? The M version even offers radar.
  16. +2
    4 March 2026 14: 54
    We don't have any mass-produced optical or radar reconnaissance pods. Ground-based detection stations are all dedicated to air defense, and there are no means of transmitting information from ground-based systems to the ground. The difference in speed between UAVs and attack aircraft is too great, and the time to kill is very short. This means highly experienced pilots are required specifically for intercepting aerial targets, something attack aircraft aren't trained for. The problems and risks of such use far outweigh the potential gains. We need to focus on covering UAV entry routes into Russian territory with detection systems and ensuring timely information exchange with air defense systems. A number of optical, laser, and radar detection stations are already in prototype form and should be introduced into production.
    1. 0
      4 March 2026 16: 09
      and significantly increase the production of various types of interceptor drones for mobile groups and the protection of stationary facilities.
  17. Owl
    0
    4 March 2026 17: 31
    The Su-25's patrol time is a concern. UAVs can fly in a dispersed manner, with varying time intervals and distances. Its protection against UAV-launched missiles is among the best (IR flares, armor, and spaced engines). However, problems with target acquisition at ranges exceeding visual detection and tracking will require significant investment in re-equipping the aircraft.
  18. WIS
    0
    4 March 2026 19: 50
    Once upon a time, in the Thread where the “success of the domestic air defense achieved by installing anti-drone networks” was discussed, irony noticed: Set nets... and catch, catch, catch!
    In reality, there are plenty of truly cost-effective and efficient methods for combating UAVs, but in reality, the following are more often the ones that turn out to be effective.
    Perhaps this is our destiny and Path...
    1. 0
      4 March 2026 21: 14
      Quote from WIS
      there are plenty of really cost-effective and efficient methods for combating UAVs,

      At least 1 method - for example...
      And yes, "tanks at the enemy airfield" (c) - do not suggest....
      1. WIS
        0
        4 March 2026 21: 30
        Quote: your1970
        At least 1

        Could you prove that nothing else exists here except "networks"? Then what's the argument about?
        "Fight fire with fire" (c)
        You won't believe it, but the other day I asked to "volunteer" - I hadn't passed the age limit.
        in secret - there is no motivation at the top to decide "how it should be"
        1. 0
          4 March 2026 22: 07
          You said that
          Quote from WIS
          In reality, there are plenty of truly cost-effective and efficient methods for combating UAVs,

          I asked
          Quote: your1970
          At least 1 method - for example...

          And after that you will declare
          Quote from WIS
          Can you prove that nothing else exists here except "networks"?
          - though I DID NOT APPROVE NOTHING regarding methods in general and networks in particular.

          So what about an example of a "really effective and cost-effective method of control"???
          1. WIS
            0
            4 March 2026 22: 29
            Even in the middle of the last century there were anti-aircraft missiles with guidance on target by sound.
            Today, a UAV without complex software can cope with the task of eliminating a target that has superior sound radiation.
            1. 0
              5 March 2026 05: 59
              Quote from WIS
              Even in the middle of the last century there were anti-aircraft missiles with guidance on target by sound.
              Today, a UAV without complex software can cope with the task of eliminating a target that has superior sound radiation.

              Hmm, any missiles/shells are armed at some distance from the carrier. How,
              having the same power motors-rattlers - how to eliminate YOUR OWN sound for drone guidance system?
              1. +1
                5 March 2026 17: 10
                - How to exclude YOUR sound from the drone's guidance system?
                They're different. This issue has long been resolved—it's called adaptive filtering. In simplified terms, a known sound is subtracted in the signal processing path.
                1. 0
                  5 March 2026 21: 14
                  Quote: Ua3qhp
                  - How to exclude YOUR sound from the drone's guidance system?
                  They're different. This issue has long been resolved—it's called adaptive filtering. In simplified terms, it's in the signal processing path. its famous sound is subtracted.

                  In this situation, the missile will not be able to hit the enemy drone - it has exactly the same motor.
                  Identical, they all come from Uncle Xi.
                  The only option is to put some rattle on the engine and reconfigure the rocket individually each time
                  1. 0
                    5 March 2026 21: 51
                    Identical, they all come from Uncle Xi.
                    There are no identical soundscapes; acoustics won't let you lie. And the real problem isn't targeting, but detecting these targets.
                    1. 0
                      5 March 2026 21: 57
                      Quote: Ua3qhp
                      There are no identical sound pictures, acoustics will not let you lie.

                      Then it's a setting EVERYONE rocket under specific carrier. Which is problematic.
                      Quote: Ua3qhp
                      in detecting these targets.

                      The opponent beat himself in the chest that
                      Quote from WIS
                      In fact, there are plenty of really cost-effective and efficient methods for combating UAVs , but in reality, these are the ones that turn out to be more common.
                      Perhaps this is our destiny and Path...

                      Quote from WIS
                      Even in the middle of the last century there were anti-aircraft missiles with sound guidance.
                      Today, a UAV without complex software can cope with the task of eliminating a target with superior sound radiation.
                      1. +1
                        6 March 2026 08: 10
                        Then it's a matter of tuning EVERY missile to a specific launch vehicle. Which is problematic.
                        Why, we need to suppress the interference from our known engine, and everything else is the goal.
                      2. 0
                        6 March 2026 10: 32
                        Quote: Ua3qhp
                        Then it's a matter of tuning EVERY missile to a specific launch vehicle. Which is problematic.
                        Why, we need to suppress the interference from our known engine, and everything else is the goal.

                        If as you say
                        Quote: Ua3qhp
                        Identical sound pictures can not be, the acoustics won't let you lie
                        that is precisely what is needed each Rockets cut out the sound specific its carrier.
                        If the sounds of the carrier were identical, there would be no questions.
                        And making the filter wider means risking losing the exact same engine to your opponent.
                      3. +1
                        6 March 2026 11: 16
                        then it is necessary to cut out the sound of its specific carrier for each missile.
                        Description.
                        The UAV interceptor is equipped with a directional microphone. The microphone simultaneously hears the target's signal (weak) and its own engine's signal (strong). Using an additional small microphone that only hears its own engine, you can subtract your own engine's signal from the directional microphone's signal, and it will then detect only the target's signal. Then, a fairly complex algorithm for target acquisition by sound (I suspect two directional microphones are needed). With AI, it's also possible to differentiate target types by sound.
                      4. 0
                        6 March 2026 11: 19
                        Quote: Ua3qhp
                        Well, then there's a fairly complex algorithm for targeting by sound (I suspect two directional microphones are needed).

                        I hadn't thought of that option. Moreover, a second microphone (with its own motor close and free of interference) could be a pittance.
                      5. +1
                        6 March 2026 11: 22
                        I didn't think of this option.
                        Yes. And use an ultrasonic sensor from a car's parking sensors as a remote detonation sensor.
  19. BAI
    -1
    4 March 2026 21: 37
    And how much does 1 hour of Su-25 flight cost?
    Won't it turn out that one combat sortie will be more expensive than several downed UAVs?
    1. WIS
      +1
      4 March 2026 21: 56
      Quote: BAI
      Won't it turn out that one combat sortie will be more expensive than several downed UAVs?

      This is obviously an incorrect comparison.

      You can't divide by zero.

      By the way, let me remind you - in general, the idea with the SU-25 is not comme il faut to me
      You're starting to get confused, or maybe you're trying to provoke me...
  20. -1
    5 March 2026 02: 13
    Using SU-25 to catch drones?
    Crap is complete!
    Only pilots to lose.
  21. 0
    6 March 2026 00: 45
    From the listed points, a need emerges for a turboprop aircraft with a speed of 500-700 km/h, with armored nose, a suspended radar container, and missile and gun armament.