Why did Kazakhstan make a military defile?

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The first combat parade, which took place on May 7 in Otar, caused a storm of delight only among the uninitiated. Professionals, on the other hand, took this event with a great deal of skepticism, believing that such a show very much resembled the wrong side of a fashion show, when the outfit from the nominal couturier, embroidered with rhinestones, often covers the torn model’s underpants.



As reported, more than seven thousand military personnel, more than 400 units of military equipment, more than 80 airplanes and helicopters took part in the military parade, personnel proficiency and new models of equipment used by domestic aircraft were demonstrated. And, of course, already by tradition, we were “ahead of the rest.” At least, as Vice-Minister of Defense Saken Zhasuzakov stated, Kazakhstan was the first among the CIS countries to hold a similar parade. So I want to exclaim: who would doubt!


True, high-ranking officials from the ministry move away from answering the question of what dictated such agility and desire to distinguish themselves. Why now we need such large demonstrative maneuvers? Fuel to the fire poured President of the Kazakhstan Union of Veterans of Local Wars and Military Conflicts “Combat Brotherhood” Sergey Pashevichwhich, at the beginning of the week, literally stated the following: “I have a question: who will see this parade and how much money has been spent on its organization and holding? Wouldn't it have been easier with this money to buy apartments for officers and retirees? Then the youth would have a desire to go into the army and feel socially protected. ”


The question posed by Sergey Pashevich seemed sensible to us, and we addressed it to those who at one time held high and responsible posts in the Ministry of Defense system. They did not share the “righteous wrath” of the leader of the “Martial Brotherhood”, but they also didn’t shout the triple “hurray”.


The colonel, who asked not to refer to him, called the parade “an ordinary event,” actually making it clear that this was “a personal affair of the Supreme Commander”:


- The question of the development of the Armed Forces should be looked at systematically. And if you look systematically, it is obvious that the Kazakh army needs reform. They put some general or not, a military parade went on or not - these are just particulars. But no one wants to look systematically because the army is under the pressure of stagnant, corrupt forces. As for the parade, well, the president wanted - he conducted; God bless him, that's his right. Whether we need such a parade or not needed is another matter. Pashevich is probably partly right when he says that it would be better for the money spent on the parade, the ministry bought apartments for military personnel or new military equipment. But, on the other hand, from my own experience I will say that such events discipline personnel and inspire.


Dot the i we asked Major General of the Reserve Makhmut Telegusov, Deputy Chairman of the Republican Public Association “Council of Generals”, former Deputy Commander of the Airmobile Forces.


- Makhmut Utegenovich, why should Kazakhstan conduct a combat parade?


- The armed forces must perform two main tasks. The first is strategic deterrence: this concept partly includes a demonstration of the power of the Kazakh army, its morale, and the state of military equipment. All this in a complex restrains other states from any imprudent steps towards Kazakhstan. The second task facing the Armed Forces is to protect the independence and territorial integrity of Kazakhstan. And these tasks our army performs.


- But why do it so demonstratively? Does Kazakhstan face specific military threats today? Do we want to scare someone away or are we just throwing money away?


- So you can not argue. Yes, the costs of organizing such an event, I do not even doubt, are large. I remember that even under Minister Akhmetov, before conducting one of the teachings, he was informed that it would cost 13 billion tenge. He did not believe and instructed one of the generals to “recount”. After a kind of audit, a different, reasonable figure appeared - 3 billion. I worked in the Accounts Committee and I can say that no commission will ever determine how much money has been written off during this or that exercise. But money is not everything. We must prepare today's army for the war of the future. We will be late for today's war if we prepare like that. We must constantly study, analyze, predict. Our army at any time should be ready for any threats. Yes, the cost of the parade will not bring much benefit to the state. But the parade is a kind of report by the leadership, my colleagues before the people, to show that we are, we are working, ready to fulfill any task set before us. And I think that at 99,9 percent the officer corps is capable of that. Of course, it is easier to do this in the presence of modern technology, more difficult - in its absence. But the moral and fighting spirit is not the last value.


“So the question arises: does our army have anything to be proud of except for morale and readiness to perform tasks?”


- As for the state of the Armed Forces directly, it is openly written about this in the press and is not a secret to foreign military attaches and specialists. And what the military officials are often proud of, in fact, is not a source of pride. For example, during the combat parade, a demonstration of the C125 “new” anti-aircraft missile system was announced. As they say, it would be funny if it were not so sad. And there is something to be sad about. In Russia, this installation was decommissioned three years ago. So draw conclusions.


Of course, we love our army, the people expect it to be strong, and it is impossible to look at what is happening in the Armed Forces indifferently. Yes, the parade will give some kind of hardening, training, but no more than that, because there is dragging, showing off, which, by the way, the generals have repeatedly said, believing that these shows should be stopped and the objective why should the Kazakh army be prepared, and for what conflicts. And there are three types of conflicts. The first is a conflict of low intensity, it is a fight against bandit formations, terrorists. And although today there are always loud words about new training, etc. In this direction, there is nothing new here, we have begun this work during the Batken events. The second type is medium intensity conflicts, for example, a war between states. The unstable geopolitical situation in the Central Asian region, the militarization of the Caspian Sea, water security issues, national disputes in the post-Soviet territory, new threats are all factors that can provoke hostilities. The third type is high-intensity conflicts when states fight with coalitions. From this, unfortunately, no one is insured, too, and we have already seen this in the example of Yugoslavia and other countries. Now is the time that we must be ready for any conflicts, for any challenges.


No matter what we show today, whatever parades we carry out, this is unlikely to be a revelation to anyone - everyone who wanted to know what our army is like has long been known to everyone, with the possible exception of some methods of conducting military operations. It would be another matter if during the parade new procured equipment was tested and the opinions of experts were listened to, as was done in the days of the Union when the research group was created. And so ...


“But let's go back to the technical equipment of the army ...”


- I have already raised this issue more than once, and I repeat once again that the public procurement system has finished our army. Now the scandal after the scandal flares up again, and the generals again go to jail. And all because the created system pushes them to a crime, and allows the organizers to stand aside. That is how the rearmament plan of our army was thwarted. I remember how in 2009 the then Defense Minister Danial Akhmetov competently substantiated the need to purchase ten C300 divisional anti-aircraft missile systems - strategic weapons that would protect the entire airspace of our country. But the new leadership of the ministry did not do this. Instead, some “Cobras” are being purchased from Turkey, the BTR-4 from Ukraine, the BTR-82 from Russia. But picking up weapons for ground forces without air cover, we turn ourselves into an open target, especially in contactless wars. In modern conditions, we need a strong air defense, which, unfortunately, we were not able to create, and at the beginning of the year we became part of a unified air defense system of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, which to some extent made us dependent on our northern neighbor.


Now, as it seems to me, it is necessary to create a commission under the government and re-examine the military-technical policy of the state, the program of rearmament of the army, to amend the law on public procurement. It is necessary to take away the functions of public procurement from the Armed Forces, law enforcement agencies and transfer them to the government. All of this, including the activities of the Defense Ministry’s subsidiaries, should be dealt with by the government. This approach is vividly illustrated by the sad experience of Russia. Unfortunately, the Ministry of Defense itself is not interested in seeking more efficient use of state funds.



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  1. +21
    11 May 2013 07: 48
    Well done! Let the neighbors get envious!
    1. patline
      +20
      11 May 2013 08: 32
      Kazakhstan is ours, ours. Let them hold parades and show off with weapons, and OUR weapons. When we unite the armed forces, then it will not be necessary to restore at least from scratch.
      The only thing that annoys is Tony Blair in Nazarbayev’s advisers.
      1. +19
        11 May 2013 09: 13
        The article put a minus. Similar whining is often heard in our country: they say, what a show, the money could be spent on some nursing home, school or hospital. There is no doubt that it is necessary to spend on everything and to maintain all spheres of citizens' life at a decent level. But it is impossible to slip only into the category of "devouring", the people should be proud of their country, parades are just held to raise the patriotic spirit of the people. In addition, Kazakhstan did not disown the Great Victory, as it is now fashionable to please the western wolves, but showed everyone that this is the merit of the Kazakh people, for which special thanks, fellow neighbors.
        1. +18
          11 May 2013 09: 52
          Very clever, combined business with pleasure and parade and exercises, killed two birds with one stone. I think it's the opposite of cost savings. In addition, it is one thing to drive in front of everyone, another to shoot. What could be more impressive than shooting from a tank or helicopter. Great, keep it up! I hope this will become a tradition.
        2. Reasonable, 2,3
          0
          11 May 2013 15: 40
          Made them dependent on the northern neighbor (air defense). And when was it different ?.
        3. +6
          11 May 2013 21: 00
          Greetings! The final part contains quite constructive criticism. Indeed, why instead of three hundred we buy these slop cobras from Otokar.
          The fact that we have some kind of Armed forces is understandable and good. But the fact that not quite these Armed forces are ready to confront both against an irregular armed enemy like the Syrian gangs, and against a technically well-equipped enemy. Well, in fact, how to shoot down modern S-125 airplanes? He’s going to shoot at parades, to seriously fight - well, no way. But the main thing is that there is money and you can buy even the same Antey-2500.
          We bought a terminator against an irregular opponent. The idea is good, but the terminator is damp. A coaxial 30 mm cannon, the shells of which at a distance of 1000 m do not penetrate a wall even as thick as a "brick", while in most houses the outer walls are one and a half bricks thick plus an outdated aiming system that forces a crew of 5 (!) People. He shot a vampire and immediately 5 two hundred. Does not channel. It is necessary to intellectualize the board in order to reduce the crew to three people and increase the caliber of the guns to 40 mm
        4. Marek Rozny
          +3
          21 May 2013 18: 46
          Quote: Vladimirets
          In addition, Kazakhstan did not disown the Great Victory, as it is now fashionable to please the Western wolves, but showed everyone that the merit of the Kazakh people is in this

          Well, Duc Kazakhs on the battlefield of World War II were more than ... Americans))) The percentage of those mobilized in the Kazakh SSR was higher than in the other republics of the Soviet Union - every fourth went to the front, and if you count with those drafted into the Red Army before June 1941 and served inside the republic, then almost every third Kazakhstani was in military uniform - i.e. in fact, absolutely the entire male population of the republic. In Kazakhstan, even republican ministers went to the front in national divisions as political workers. The percentage of those who were "sloped" was the smallest (especially in comparison with neighboring Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, which earned the contemptuous nickname "yeldash" at the front, which means "comrade" in Uzbek; the Kazakh version of this word "zholdas" never had a derogatory connotation in the speech of Russians front-line soldiers). And this despite the fact that the lion's share of Kazakhs by 1941 was "unreliable", since half of the Kazakhs (roughly speaking) were relatives of "enemies of the people", while in our country half of the country in the 20-30s was recorded as "bays" / "kulaks "due to the fact that the majority of Kazakhs have always traditionally had a lot of cattle by the standards of Russia (and then for numerous clashes with the NKVD-schniks in 32-33). Both the Kazakh heroines of the Soviet Union, Manshuk Mametova and Aliya Moldagulova, are from repressed families, like most other Kazakh heroes. And most of the famous Almaty 316th Rifle Division (8th State Rifle Division named after Panfilov) were politically "unreliable". Many Russian Kazakhs were also from "wrong" citizens - exiles, deported and others. But in the end, Kazakhstanis of all nationalities in all Kazakhstani units were noted during the war as one of the most motivated and strongest warriors. Almost all units formed in Kazakhstan are marked with awards and honorary titles, or are simply mentioned more than once as exemplary units. Only, perhaps, there is no information about the 106th National Cavalry Division from Akmolinsk (should have been part of the 6th Cavalry Corps), this division disappeared with other Soviet units in the Kharkov cauldron in May 1942. Even now, the Russian Ministry of Defense does not have any information about these cavalrymen - literally "they do not appear on the lists." The combat path of the rest of the Kazakh divisions is well known and there is not a single reason to be ashamed or ashamed of the Kazakh wars. And we can be proud even of the captured Kazakhs who went to serve in the Turkestan legion of the Wehrmacht. These "new Wehrmacht men" not only categorically refused to fight against their own people, but in general, practically all Wehrmacht units made up of Central Asian and Volga Turks (Kazakhs, Turkmens, Tatars, Bashkirs, Kyrgyz, as well as Caucasian Azerbaijanis who served in the "Turkestan Legion" and "Idel-Ural") at the first opportunity they turned their weapons against the Germans and en masse went over to the side of the Red Army and / or partisans in whole units. Unlike ROA, "Galicia" and Crimean Tatars.
          1. Marek Rozny
            +2
            21 May 2013 18: 47
            Kazakhstan is perhaps the only ex-USSR country that still continues to build monuments to the Red Army on its territory and in other countries (including Russia). Work has been established with Russian search engines - when a deceased Kazakhstani is found, the state pays all costs associated with the burial of the war in Kazakhstan and / or pays the way for relatives to the burial place, if they decided to leave the grave of the fighter at the place of discovery. In other words, the Kazakhs (both the people and the government) have not the slightest doubt that it was "our war," a "right-wing war" and we will not be allowed to write dubious dregs in the style of "filled with meat" , "it would be better if the Germans lost", "we do not know how to fight" and "only at gunpoint of the detachments went into battle."
            And add to this the inborn pride of the Kazakhs for the centuries-old war with the Dzungars, which ended with the total destruction of the enemy, as well as the fact that the Kazakhs are proud that they were the basis of Genghis Khan's army. Even Mongolian historians do not argue with this fact. We have disputes with the Mongols only because of the personality of Genghis Khan himself)))) Regarding the national composition of the Horde army, the steppes have no questions)
            Well, the Kazakhs traditionally enter the Turkic / Hunnic wars with ancient and medieval China into the piggy bank of their own military glory (although this is a merit, of course, of all the Turkic-steppe peoples), and the Kazakhs also generally do not disown the western campaign of the Huns. At the same time, this is one of the reasons for the warm Kazakh-Hungarian modern relations (Kazakhs and Hungarians consider each other close relatives, and genetically Hungarians are similar to Kazakh Argyns from the Middle Zhuz).
            In a word, the Kazakhs will refuse their military history))) We can not remember the ancient cities overgrown with steppe weeds, we can forget about the medieval Central Asian scientific renaissance, we can forget the labor merits of the Kazakhs in restoring the post-war Union, but the memory of past wars is basis of the Kazakh mentality. We have been raising children since childhood that the Kazakhs are the best in the world of war. This, of course, is hyperbolization, but in another way, children have not been raised and are not raised. That in the 13th century, that in the 21st.
    2. Torang
      +10
      11 May 2013 14: 56
      In my opinion, all the talk about money is a purely populist topic. The military parade is the face and prestige of the state, they do not save on this. Well done. Have fun, the gay people save on their, as it were, to put it mildly, unconventional parades. And the army must show what it is.
  2. Vladomir
    +12
    11 May 2013 07: 59
    You can always say - "the money was spent in the wrong place." Better here or there. This question is in the competence of the President, the Ministry of Defense. We showed the people and ourselves that Kazakhstan has the Armed Forces. However, closer cooperation with the Russian Armed Forces and its military-industrial complex is desirable. It's all the same to work together in the military field.
    1. 0
      11 May 2013 23: 37
      I don’t understand at all where even 3 mdr have flowed away, a parade of equipment is needed unconditionally, but 3 lard is somehow dashing, the passage of several tens of airplanes and several thousand soldiers costs such money ????
      What then will cost any, even local protection of the territory, in the event of a conflict ???
      99.9% obscene theft
  3. +8
    11 May 2013 08: 08
    Everything is in place and the parade and time and people. And there will be, I hope, apartments and others. Well done!
  4. fenix57
    -7
    11 May 2013 08: 10
    Quote: treskoed
    Let the neighbors get envious!

    In the north, Russia is an ally. If, to "intimidate" the Ubeks and the Kirghiz, let them ... indulge. hi
    1. +25
      11 May 2013 08: 27
      Well, as if Russia has 3500 km with us. an unprotected border, in principle, so that Russia should rejoice that its southern neighbor has something to show.
      1. +12
        11 May 2013 10: 59
        The land border between Russia and Kazakhstan is 7512,8 km long and is one of the longest borders in the world.

        Not just one of .., but the longest in the world.
        1. 0
          11 May 2013 11: 21
          if it’s solid land, then yes. in general, if we take into account the sea borders, then the USA-Canada
      2. stvgol
        0
        11 May 2013 12: 43
        Then it is more appropriate to hold a parade of Internal Troops and Border Guards.
        That Russia abroad was calm.
        Well, there are also customs officers who on the border with Kyrgyzstan in general, except flies, do not catch anything.
    2. +6
      11 May 2013 08: 29
      In southern Afghanistan, Taliban groups used to come from there before NATO drove them into the corners. The Americans will leave Afghanistan most likely to happen again.
      1. stvgol
        +3
        11 May 2013 12: 49
        There were no Taliban in Central Asia.
        For that matter, they generally have no relation whatsoever to the Central Asian countries. And the guys who climbed to Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, never sought to Kazakhstan.
        They went about their internal showdowns. The predominant population of Northern Afghanistan is Tajiks and Uzbeks, so they engaged in tribal showdowns in the nineties and arranged, without thinking of any expansion to the north.
  5. djon3volta
    +4
    11 May 2013 08: 13
    Well, they held a parade, and so what? Who cares that you could buy apartments instead of a parade? Those who say that, live 100 pounds in an apartment, and so on everywhere. Some people like to translate conversations into money and compare what one could buy. The DPRK also holds parades, but what was needed instead of the parade to buy rice and flour, and then divide it equally? But if you count it, then it is no longer profitable to say that instead of the money spent on the parade, everyone will get 2 kg of rice and 3 kg of flour, and that people from 2 kg of rice will become happier ??? how do I get pissed off by these arguments, truth-teller exposers, constantly show WATCH, HE MILLIONAIRE, IT SHOULD BE IMMEDIATED TO SHOOT.
    or take for example Alisher Usmanov, a billionaire, a fortune of $ 18 billion. let's divide it up 18 billion for 143 million inhabitants equally - each will get $ 125, that is, 3800 rubles. There is no more Usmanov and he doesn’t have $ 18 billion, your 3800 rubles you will spend in a few days, the question is: where will you continue to take money from? Who will you select and share? billionaires are not endless, and they don’t earn 18-20 billion every month to unfasten 3800 rubles each, he will not be able to save 18 billion to give you 3800 rubles again, do you understand it or not? fool
    maybe there’s a wise guy who will calculate how much the May 9 parade cost? and write an article to arrange a srach on the forum, saying that this money should be given to the poor or to pensioners? Well, they will give it away, well, how much will they get? 2-5 thousand rubles? , there’s no more money for the parade and no one is going to allocate 2-5 thousand every month, the parade is held once a year. And imagine how many people put on all these calculations, criticism, because they’re loved by many times! They just live and do their business, and from the fact that they criticize or do not criticize, nothing global will happen. As they say - when the cat has nothing to do, you know what he is doing.
    1. +7
      11 May 2013 12: 16
      Well done Kazakhs. I know how hard it is to organize such an event.
  6. Rustiger
    +11
    11 May 2013 08: 16
    Well spent, and spent. What's wrong with that? Won Latvia, too, "carried out". So much so that the video walks all over the world, with comments like - "and we also have two inflatable boats, four ATVs, and two garbage trucks, painted in" khaki ". Disgrace will not end up..
    And the Kazakhs not only showed off in front of each other (bad Serdyukovy example - contagious), but something similar to the teachings arranged, as well as morale slightly raised.
    Well, and then noted most likely this thing, probably not even koumiss drinks laughing
  7. +13
    11 May 2013 08: 24
    Probably 3-4 months were preparing for this battle parade, this is also combat training. Nazarbayev’s normal move now shows that the army is more or less combat-ready, not like in the 90s, two batteries per tank company. Each year should be carried out with different scenarios and with the involvement of different parts.
    1. Beck
      +5
      12 May 2013 13: 39
      PARADE is the pride of his army and an indicator of the condition of the troops.

      It is very good that there are Russians on this page who understand that the stronger the army of allied Kazakhstan, the less threats to Russia from the southeast. All the more forces and means can be distributed in other areas of Russia.

      And SEPARATELY I want to note, and specifically for the urashniks who shout about "oppression". In the second and third photographs (from top to bottom), there are Slavs among the higher officers. In the 4th photo, a Slav boy is among the cadets (second from left). On 5 the standard bearer is a Slav. On 6 the Slav in the elite troops (third from the left). 12th among veterans, in the first row a Slav. "If they were oppressed," they would not be taken into the army in the first place.
  8. +5
    11 May 2013 08: 53
    Kazakhstan is a buffer zone between us and countries such as China, and Afghanistan is probably worth mentioning as well (although it does not directly border it). This is an important, if not strategically important, ally for Russia. Russia needs a strong Kazakhstan. And the fact that he conducts exercises is a show for the country, patriotic education of the population and youth. We also hold parades throughout the country. However, no one in thoughts does not need to use them.
  9. Roll
    +2
    11 May 2013 09: 22
    fellow Kazakhstan is a wealthy independent country and can afford a parade. The main threat to Kazakhstan in the near future is a civil war, the possibility of disintegration into several formations, and the Kazakhs are doing the right thing when purchasing armored personnel carriers and cobras, with -300 they are not needed here. And if China decides to occupy, nothing will save here, but Russia and NATO. Therefore, while Kazakhstan is doing everything right, all the fun will begin after Nazarbayev’s departure. And as for the question of apartments instead of the parade, such questions could be asked under socialism, with the model of capitalism as they are now meaningless.
    1. Marek Rozny
      +2
      21 May 2013 19: 18
      A civil war in Kazakhstan is impossible. "Kazakh is not at war with Kazakh." This is the national credo. We have never had even a hint of a civil war in our history. Not even once. Khans of different zhuzes could be rivals, could poison each other, their nukers could fight each other, but the people, subordinate to different khans, never fought with each other. All Kazakhs to each other are relatives, countrymen, neighbors.
      But China does not need to scare us. Our ancestors of 2000 years at least fought with them. And never once did the numerous Chinese defeat us. That they were fenced off from us by the Great Wall, and not we from them))))
      There will be no shock in Kazakhstan after Nazarbayev's departure. Nazarbayev is not the only one who knows how to manage. But his merits in the fact that he successfully develops the country are invaluable, for all his current "bronzing". So let him steer further if he is good at it. Although he was bored as hell, like old furniture. But damn it, it's stupid to throw away old furniture if it is still in excellent condition and fully functional. We do not need to play Western European "democratic" games with elections. We have had our own democracy throughout history - "military democracy", when the khans and kagans were elected by a majority of votes by the leaders of clans, tribes, people's judges and influential batyrs (war commanders) and sultans. These people were chosen by the common people. And they already chose the khans, which they followed to the Last Sea. And if the khan did not cope with his tasks, then he was thrown out three letters, as the Kyrgyz still practice))) And I like this version of democracy much more than Western European. Nazarbayev's departure does not scare me at all. He is not the only thinking Kazakh. He just has more merit.
  10. +11
    11 May 2013 09: 37
    Here the former general writes that instead of ten S-300 divisions they buy armored personnel carriers, terminators, cobras for the ground forces, for me this is the right approach, because there is a real danger from the Taliban who can pass through the mountains, and then in our steppes where the equipment purchased now will come in handy, do not shoot at them from the S-300. So I think the Ministry of Defense has the right approach both to the purchase of equipment and to the display of this equipment at such a parade. Well, what money is stolen from the purchase is probably so everywhere, I think some percentage is pinched off everywhere , well, when this percentage begins to increase or even worse damages the defense capability, then it is necessary to plant in spite of the person and merit. It is probably not possible to completely eradicate theft in the construction and purchase of weapons, even in the vaunted and transparent countries of the West, but strives to minimize this theft is necessary. And parades should be held as written in the "Divan-name" to raise the spirit of the people and intimidate the enemies of the state and not only abroad.
    1. Marek Rozny
      +2
      21 May 2013 19: 24
      We have S-300 and S-200. And there is also an agreement on further purchase. The problem is that the Russians are not yet able to increase their production. So we just stand in line. In a couple of years, new "eski" will arrive in service with Kazakhstan. Telegusov is a normal man, but he is slightly pulled somewhere in opposition at times. He himself should be well aware that we have long ago agreed with the Russians on the purchase of new lots of S-300 and S-400.
  11. Alexander-Tomsk
    +3
    11 May 2013 09: 44
    Quote: Rolm
    all the fun will begin after Nazarbayev’s departure.


    Well, I thought about the same thing. I read somewhere that Nazarbayev will soon retire, naturally, during the transfer of power, all sorts of incidents can occur (you see, the carriers of peace and democracy will arrange another color revolution wink ), for this, a game of muscles is arranged, for this, ground-based military equipment is purchased.
    In the event of anything serious, Russia will cover the territory of Kazakhstan with an umbrella of its air defense, so there is no need to seriously spend money on air defense.
  12. ed65b
    +2
    11 May 2013 09: 52
    It is necessary to take away the functions of state purchases from the Armed forces and power structures and transfer them to the government. All this, including the activities of subsidiaries of the Ministry of Defense, should be addressed by the government.

    Uncle had to start from this, the government certainly knows better what the army needs. Especially if there is cous swat brother sits. In sawed dibs.
  13. avt
    +5
    11 May 2013 10: 09
    That's how interesting it is about the parades in unison with our liberods sang. It seems to me that this 3,14-well is not casual. And that is typical, like a carbon copy and almost one whistle. negative Cheap article.
  14. +3
    11 May 2013 10: 12
    couple more photos

    1. +5
      11 May 2013 14: 53
      Straight Robocop smile
      1. +8
        11 May 2013 19: 28
        robocopes here
        1. +3
          11 May 2013 19: 49
          Quote: Gleb
          robocopes here

          Exactly, that would be available laughing
      2. Marek Rozny
        +2
        21 May 2013 17: 42
        Quote: gecko
        Straight Robocops smile

        almost guessed)))) these are law enforcement troops: in the first photo - the military police, in the second photo - soldiers of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  15. +13
    11 May 2013 10: 14
    As soon as someone starts to hold a parade in the countries of the former USSR, "kites to peck" the country immediately flock! To forget your history is what the defenders demand. What to educate your generation on !?
    And I’ll tell you that it was better for big brothers from Europe and America to be educated on the example of PAKIMONS !!
  16. Alexey Prikazchikov
    +2
    11 May 2013 10: 31
    Guys from Kazakhstan, who knows your Beret rifle is only bought by specialists or for everyone?
    1. Marek Rozny
      +3
      21 May 2013 19: 31
      "for all" - we have SVD. but they constantly buy new snipers in small batches - OSV-96, Vintorez, Austrian and other Western European ones. First, they saturating the KNB (National Security Committee) and the Republican Guard, then they began to enter the troops. So far, we have a bunch of different sniper rifles from different manufacturers. No definite decision has yet been made regarding the standardization of these weapons in the Armed Forces.
    2. Marek Rozny
      +1
      25 May 2013 15: 19
      Sorry, I misunderstood))) I thought about sniper rifles a question (often arises). We only have Beretta submachine guns with the special forces of the Ministry of Defense. They were purchased after last year's military exhibition "Kadeks". There is still silence about the plans to arm conventional units with these machine guns.
  17. fenix57
    +1
    11 May 2013 11: 10
    Quote: Karavan
    Well, as if Russia has 3500 km with us. unprotected borders in principle

    Unprotected By .... PV RF has not yet been canceled! With your principles from the south, protect !, and the southeast ... hi
  18. fenix57
    0
    11 May 2013 11: 23
    Quote: Karavan
    Well, as if Russia has 3500 km with us. unprotected borders in principle, so that, and Russia should rejoice,

    This joy should come from you, right from the neighborhood with Russia, it should come (from your leadership!). In the South - strengthen ... And the less conditions for Russia ... "You will be easier!" hi
  19. +13
    11 May 2013 11: 57
    BRAVO, Armed Forces of Kazakhstan good

  20. fenix57
    -1
    11 May 2013 12: 19
    Quote: VohaAhov
    This is an important, if not strategically important, ally for Russia. Russia needs a strong Kazakhstan

    Or maybe after reminding you that "Russia is transferring Baikonur to Kazakhstan" ( http://grani.ru/Politics/Russia/Cabinet/m.211623.html), tell us about an ally, especially a "strategic" one.
    Everyone wants to snatch a "piece" from RUSSIA, there are no allies, -partners, -Yes! EXCEPT BELARUS AND UKRAINE (God forbid!) - all deception!
    1. Marek Rozny
      +3
      21 May 2013 19: 41
      but could you recall who Baikonur belongs to at all - Russia or Kazakhstan? if forgotten, then remind - Kazakhstan. Nobody drove Russia out of there, it was Russia secretly decided to build a cosmodrome on its territory and transfer all space launches there. Baikonur simply did not need Roscosmos. The Kazakhs demanded that Russia decide - either it conducts full-fledged activities at this cosmodrome, or will return part of the leased complex back, so that Kazakhstan would expand its work there on the space theme. Roscosmos created a hysteria (because Baikonur did not want to return, and did not want to do any work there either), but the leadership of Russia and Kazakhstan ALWAYS finds a common language - in the end, Russia remains in Baikonur (although it will transfer the main starts to its cosmodrome - and this is the desire of Russia, not Kazakhstan), and at the same time Russia will give unused objects of the leased spaceport back to Kazakhstan, where it will be conducted joint Job. In addition, Kazakhstan proposed to remove the rent from Russia for the use of Baikonur altogether and to share half of the "Baikonur" expenses of Russia.
      So do not hysteria like Roskosmos. The Kazakhs in this matter have remained the same old Kazakhs with whom the Russians will always find a common language. Plus, under the Baikonur theme, we will also tie Ukrainians to integration with us (with Russia and Kazakhstan).
  21. fenix57
    -1
    11 May 2013 13: 13
    Yes, and also, about "friends" from the "underbelly" of Russia:Kyrgyzstan intends to adopt Kazakhstan's experience in conducting economic reforms-
    Experts suggest that Atambaev’s trip to Astana, about which no one knew anything until Bishkek’s departure, was a continuation of consultations with political partners who play key roles in the Customs Union and NATO, in the context of ongoing bargaining between Russia and members of the CU and the West for the loyalty of Kyrgyzstan. Recall that from April 9 to 10, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan paid an official visit to Bishkek, with whom the Kyrgyz President discussed a number of pressing issues, including the possibility of increasing investment in the Kyrgyz economy, the prospects for the construction of hydropower plants by Turkish specialists in the Kyrgyz Republic, as well as conditions for the allocation of grant funds to official Bishkek. It is known that behind the scenes the president of Kyrgyzstan and the head of the Turkish government should have negotiated over the extension of the agreement with NATO on the Manas airbase hi
    1. Marek Rozny
      +2
      21 May 2013 19: 49
      Quote: fenix57
      about "friends" from the "underbelly" of Russia

      Solzhenitsyn died, but his work lives on ... You would think first, who introduced such turns of speech in Russian, and for what purpose. Although if you share the thoughts of the enemies of Russia like Solzhenitsyn, that Kazakhstan is a wild, wild people, of which there is no use for Russia, then alas, I can not help you.

      I can comment on the note you brought here as follows: "There is an elder in the garden, and an uncle in Kiev."
  22. +4
    11 May 2013 13: 21
    In my deep conviction, their commander in chief has the right to decide on a parade. And show the equipment and armaments that are able to protect Kazakhstan from threats from the south. And from the north, Russia is the guarantor of their security in accordance with the CSTO treaty and the customs agreement. And if Ukraine followed this example,
    then a union in any form, Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine would be a single adhesion of mutual security.
  23. +4
    11 May 2013 13: 24
    Kyrgyzstan intends to adopt the experience of Kazakhstan in conducting economic reforms -

    Do not understand. And what is the relationship between the above and the following:
    .... It is known that behind the scenes the president of Kyrgyzstan and the head of the Turkish government should have negotiated over the extension of the agreement with NATO on the air base

    Adopting economic experience is one thing, and considering the issue of finding a NATO military base is completely different. You would not bring everything together. hi
  24. heavy tank
    +7
    11 May 2013 13: 44
    I don’t know why some reasonable people do not understand the essence of this parade? The parade demonstrated that we have a combat-ready army and weapons. Prior to this, world leaders doubted: What will happen when the United States and NATO leave Afghanistan? will terrorists cross the borders of the CIS countries? CSTO countries can show something? YES!!! this parade in Kazakhstan, the Parade in Moscow showed that the CIS countries are ready to accept the post. and that was the proof.
    1. +11
      11 May 2013 14: 05
      You're right! This parade is very important, and not only for the people of Kazakhstan. One of the main messages was that Kazakhstan was not going to panic, and thereby give the Americans another additional reason to stay in Afghanistan under various pretexts. Yes, and CSTO allies of this kind of event will have a somewhat encouraging effect.
      1. +6
        11 May 2013 16: 43
        This is not a parade, but rather a divisional exercise with all the means of reinforcement. Everything shoots, everything flies and moves and how. Plus, in compliance with "security measures". Five points.
        Yes "division" of which many do not even dream of.
        1. +6
          11 May 2013 17: 06
          It was officially called "battle parade", so I indicated this definition. hi
  25. fenix57
    -2
    11 May 2013 13: 51
    Quote: romb
    Adopting economic experience is one thing, and considering the issue of finding a NATO military base is completely different. You wouldn’t bring everything together

    Dear, but I’m not used to it all in one pile! Look for you, maybe the author is wrong in what ... http: //www.news-asia.ru/view/kz/politics/4560. Just read, so be so kind! hi
    1. +7
      11 May 2013 14: 16
      Read. And what's wrong with Turkish investment in the Kyrgyz economy?
      Here it is necessary to rejoice, the Kyrgyz will be less migrant workers in a foreign land.
      Regarding the NATO base. It also says that official Ankara denies this fact.
      I would be wary of once again trusting any unnamed sources, "onalitegs" and "experts".hi
  26. +7
    11 May 2013 14: 24
    The Kazakhs are great, they are doing something for the development of the country, their army, not like the Uzbek-Tajik-Kyrgyz swamp. The aggression against Russia, the Kazakhs and Belarusians are the only ones who will fight for us.
    1. Marek Rozny
      0
      21 May 2013 20: 32
      We will pull out the Kyrgyz. Then the Tajiks, then the Uzbeks. In general, Kyrgyz need a little help technically (legal advice) and a little financial (primary investment in promising sectors), and then the Kyrgyz with their characteristic obstinacy will bring the matter to its logical conclusion. Also, we and Turks will be overtaken, for example, in the tourism business or the clothing industry. Yes, and they are good soldiers.
      The Uzbeks would have long overtaken the Kazakhs, if not for Karimov’s conservatism and his pathological desire to live on a separate planet.
      Kazakhstan will not force relations with Uzbekistan as long as Karimov is in power there. It is pointless. He is unpredictable, inconsistent and emotional (this is a minus for a politician). Now he again cuddles to Nazarbayev, but it is clear that now Karimov just wants to find a "temporary" ally in solving the water problems of the region. You can't push Karimov away, you can't hang your ears up either. Moreover, as a result, we risk ruining relations with Bishkek and Dushanbe. And we have plans for further integration with them. Therefore, the Kazakhs have already created some interethnic structures, whose task is to help these republics. We, Kazakhs, need to get them out of the "swamp". And by this time the Uzbeks will already "mature". The Kyrgyz are already practically in the Customs Union, but Dushanbe still needs to solve many problems. Rahmon is an imperfect partner, but there is no other yet.
      A separate song is Turkmenistan. Although Turkmenistan will not be a member of the Customs Union (Eurasian Union) in the next decade, it should become a key ally on many economic points (a single "hydrocarbon" policy).
      And regarding "to fight for Russia" - well, Duc Russia is not a foreign land for us. Starting with the fact that the territory of the Russian Federation was historically the Turkic Kaganate, the Kyrgyz state and even Tyumen was once the first capital of the Uzbek Khanate) and ending with the fact that already in modern history the destinies of our peoples have intertwined in such a way that de-integration really means "cut to the living". A million indigenous Kazakhs live in Russia in the border areas from the Volga to Altai, plus millions of Tatars, Bashkirs, Nogai, who are perceived by Kazakhs as brothers. Millions of Russians live in Kazakhstan, who are also related by family ties with people from Russia. Every Kazakh has a friend in Russia, a classmate, a relative, a friend in Russia. And how many times I was on a business trip in Russia, almost every Russian told me that his relatives live in Karaganda or Almaty, or he served in Kazakhstan in Soviet times, or his parents once built something in the Kazakh SSR. These are the bonds that make Astana and Moscow go together.
      Well, if a soldier of the Kazakh army does not want to fight for Russia or Belarus, then he will be poked into the Military Doctrine of Kazakhstan, where it is written in black and white that one of the tasks of the armed forces of Kazakhstan is to protect the interests of the countries of the Customs Union;)
      I don’t know what is written in the Military Doctrine of Russia and Belarus, but we have already officially stated that Kazakh soldiers required beat those who "offend" the ally)))) I'm not talking about the fact that there are still obligations within the framework of the CSTO and just common sense, which says that military assistance from us to Russia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and some other countries of the ex-USSR are always in the interests of Kazakhstan’s security.
  27. fenix57
    -2
    11 May 2013 14: 55
    Quote: romb
    Regarding the NATO base

    "The first battle parade, held on May 7 in Otar, caused a storm of delight only among the uninitiated."Yes, they would have been on the 9th of MAY. Together with FRIENDLY RUSSIA! .... YES ONLY FOR! ....
    Nooo, exactly the 7th. And in Russia that ... whom they met, ... oh, Kerry came to Russia, hi
    1. +7
      11 May 2013 15: 43
      May 7 is Kazakhstan’s Defender of the Fatherland Day in Kazakhstan, and a parade was dedicated to it. And on May 9 it was already celebrated in the Republic of Kazakhstan and on a large scale.
  28. +9
    11 May 2013 15: 46
    This parade is primarily aimed at showing firepower. And I will say one thing, power is not weak. And to judge how much money was spent, how much money was lost not for us. The parade was held, the spirit was raised, the people are happy. You know what it was like to watch (I watched in Astana near the media center on the screen). Already took pride in the country.

    Why all this is being done, and sooner or later, it will have to be applied. In the south, the Islamists were already running, and the 2011-2012 year turned out to be especially fruitful for them, and here also the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, the ever-revolting Kyrgyzstan.

    Parade in the Zhambyl region. I want to go to Dzhambul, it’s warm there, my Mom is there ...
  29. groom
    -2
    11 May 2013 17: 36
    And Slavic faces only in the photograph with veterans. Northern Kazakhstan was populated by Russians. Survived or what? Although it’s understandable, the Russian is not comfortable living in Asian culture.
    True, in Russia, the regime implements Asian values.
    1. Alexander-Tomsk
      +2
      11 May 2013 17: 42
      A lot of Russians come to us to get higher education, and after (on time) study they get citizenship and stay to live in Russia. They say that you can live there but you can’t move forward on work. Kazakhs are trying to put their own leaders and superiors.
      1. +8
        11 May 2013 18: 27
        Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
        A lot of Russians come to us to get higher education, and after (on time) study they get citizenship and stay to live in Russia. They say that you can live there but you can’t move forward on work. Kazakhs are trying to put their own leaders and superiors.

        In business, everyone is equal to each according to his abilities, so to speak. the service needs knowledge of the state language, and preferably service in the army, and they don’t have any prospects for the state service, and so Tomsk universities are highly valued in Kazakhstan.
        1. +5
          11 May 2013 21: 51
          Quote: Semurg
          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          A lot of Russians come to us to get higher education, and after (on time) study they get citizenship and stay to live in Russia. They say that you can live there but you can’t move forward on work. Kazakhs are trying to put their own leaders and superiors.

          In business, everyone is equal to each according to his abilities, so to speak. the service needs knowledge of the state language, and preferably service in the army, and they don’t have any prospects for the state service, and so Tomsk universities are highly valued in Kazakhstan.
          - Fictions that the Russians are hindered in career growth in Kazakhstan. The market is small, becoming the head of a department of a company of a republican scale in Kazakhstan is not at all the same as being the same head of a department in a company of a federal scale in Russia. Both the scale and salaries are completely different. This is the main reason for the departure of Russian people of Kazakh origin, who studied in Tomsk, to Russia, there are more stupid prospects, and there is no Nazism and everything else. Education in Kazakhstan and in Soviet times was not the best in the USSR. But AVOKU was at the level of the Polytechnic, the rest was so-so. So it remains. So the second reason is education. And with Tomsk or even better with a Novosibirsk diploma you will come to Kazakhstan - you won’t be left without a good job
          1. +3
            12 May 2013 06: 48
            Education in Kazakhstan and in Soviet times was not the best in the USSR
            in no way was it inferior to other republics. one country, one system, structure of education. here on the site there are many Kazakhstanis, even more who were born in Kazakhstan. show at least one here who would write and think so that one could say- he is illiterate, an ignoramus, probably he got an education in Kazakhstan.
            did you also receive a soviet education in Kazakhstan?
            1. +2
              13 May 2013 01: 19
              Quote: Gleb
              Education in Kazakhstan and in Soviet times was not the best in the USSR
              in no way was it inferior to other republics. one country, one system, structure of education. here on the site there are many Kazakhstanis, even more who were born in Kazakhstan. show at least one here who would write and think so that one could say- he is illiterate, an ignoramus, probably he got an education in Kazakhstan.
              did you also receive a soviet education in Kazakhstan?

              - school - in Kazakhstan, the institute - half in Russia, alas, I just note that I didn’t pull it, was on the verge of expulsion, transferred to Almaty - yes, the program is easier in our university, the teachers are more sparing, etc. . Although I confirm - the standard was felt, but our program was still noticeably lighter - after the Moscow university, I almost pulled the last two courses on red -))))
      2. 0
        12 May 2013 06: 34
        the same thing in Omsk, Chelyabinsk. they are going to continue to study, to Yekaterinburg, Tyumen ... with medicine there is a separate question. brain tomography, for example, people are going to do from Astana, Kokchetav, Petropavlovsk.
        1. +2
          12 May 2013 08: 46
          Quote: Gleb
          the same thing in Omsk, Chelyabinsk. they are going to continue to study, to Yekaterinburg, Tyumen ... with medicine there is a separate question. brain tomography, for example, people are going to do from Astana, Kokchetav, Petropavlovsk.

          Yes, if they can’t get full-fledged medical assistance on the spot, this is not good, this is a field for both the state and first of all business (this is what kind of money goes to the cash desk due to the lack of narrow specialists, Gleb pointed out to our businessmen an unoccupied niche where you can earn good money)
    2. -2
      11 May 2013 18: 18
      Quote: groom
      And Slavic faces only in the photograph with veterans. Northern Kazakhstan was populated by Russians. Survived or what? Although it’s understandable, the Russian is not comfortable living in Asian culture.
      True, in Russia, the regime implements Asian values.

      Yes, Slavic people are mowing down from the army like in Russia, while Kazakhs, like Caucasians in Russia, are happy to join the army.
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        1. +3
          11 May 2013 19: 56
          Quote: tm70-71
          Well, yes, in Russia the army consists of Kazakhs or Caucasians, think what you write. MAL.

          ..... Kazakhs serve in the army of Kazakhstan, Caucasians in the army of Russia serve with a bang and the Slavs mow what is there, what is here.
          1. tm70-71
            -1
            11 May 2013 20: 25
            ..... I definitely did not see the Kazakhs in our army, they do not want to.
            1. +4
              11 May 2013 22: 13
              ..... Does your army have no Kazakhs? do not want ? Drive a rotten broom of all - service in the army is the holy duty of all citizens of the state.
              1. tm70-71
                -1
                12 May 2013 05: 58
                They don’t want, the moons are buying up, the Kazakhs are mainly engaged in agriculture, talked with one parent, it’s better to let the sheep graze. And so we have a lot of Kazakhs, Issyk-Kul region, the Kazakhs went there during the famine, and stayed there, the program was opened for you to relocate the Kazakhs with the lifting ones, took the denyushka trip and went back to their homeland. In general, only those who do not have money in the amount of 500-1000 dollars are a paradox.
                1. +1
                  12 May 2013 08: 36
                  I think people of a non-titular nation should be twice as loyal to their state as the titular nation, and this fully applies to the Kazakhs in Kyrgyzstan. And if the army is going downhill, it’s very bad for the state to work with a public "flogging" of the mowers, because the army is one from the support of the state, and a deliberate derailment from the army should be punished as an attempt on the foundations of the state and not as a petty prank. We, on the contrary, pay extra for military commissars to get into the army, now it has come to the point that they are opening courses where they will undergo short-term military training for the money of the recruits with further enrollment in the reserve and a periodic call for retraining. Well, but the fact that the Kazakhs returned to their homeland taking lifting (the homeland, although ugly, but still the homeland). In Kazakhstan, the program is being adjusted so that this does not happen again, and so there are Kazakhs in Kyrgyzstan it is good this is a thread that, along with other threads, bind our peoples and the money they took to Kyrgyzstan should be considered as an investment and in the interests of Kazakhstan in Kyrgyzstan. With the submission of the administrators, I propose to stop calling each other cattle, since you started this business first with the ball on your side, I closed this case.
                  1. tm70-71
                    0
                    12 May 2013 10: 45
                    I also closed it, but I would not call all the Slavs mowing down from the army, the Caucasians are going to the Ross.armia, but they have their own gesheft, I don’t want to equalize everyone, I served with them, I know there are so many troubles with them. This he is forbidden, it is forbidden to him. For me, where there are more than three of them in the platoon, srach and problems begin there. The Slavs serve in our army. My son has 25 wars in the platoon, three Slavs, and they themselves expressed a desire to serve. So, it’s not bad tell me tales about mowing down. The meritorious son will never go to serve, an example is the friends of the Tsairnaevs.
                    1. Marek Rozny
                      +2
                      21 May 2013 21: 00
                      In Kazakhstan, really Russians most often try to slope away from the army. Like, there’s nothing to do there, I don’t owe anything to the state, I need to earn money, etc. And those Russians who all the same went into the army, and then have a good command of the state language and have a green light for the civil service.
                      And although there are no statistics on the number of Slavs / Turks in the Kazakh Armed Forces, it is visually clear that 90% of the Kazakh army consists of Kazakhs, although Russians from among the "oppressed and insulted" often remind that there are almost half of the Slavs / Russian-speaking in the country. Judging by the barracks, only Kazakhs live in Kazakhstan))))
                      Moreover, in Kazakhstan there is no restriction for non-Kazakhs to serve in Republican Guardalthough in Russia in Kremlin regiment the road to the "non-Russians" has been ordered.
                      I do not know how Kyrgyz Kazakhs relate to service in the Kyrgyz army, but in Russia, Kazakhs willingly go to military service without any excuses. There are few unlucky Russian Kazakhs. Moreover, among Russian Kazakhs, the percentage of those who served is more than in Kazakhstan.
                      In Astrakhan there is a monument to the dead Astrakhan who died in Afghanistan and Chechnya. Slightly less than half of the names are Kazakh, Nogai and Tatar. Several Kazakhs received the Golden Stars of Heroes of Russia for Chechnya (among them the legendary helicopter pilot Kayyrgeldy Maidanov, who had previously been named Hero of the Soviet Union), hundreds were awarded the Order of Courage, and thousands were awarded medals. Among the dead Pskov paratroopers were three Kazakhs, etc. But Russians really often mow down from the army, both in Russia and in the CIS republics. And this is no secret to anyone.
  30. tm70-71
    +7
    11 May 2013 19: 26
    Kazakhs five points !!!! I looked excitedly! There are moments that have distorted, but the most important thing that I liked is the coherence of the RADIUS OF TROOPS, GO OFF !!! This is not just a combat parade, this is a combat show, this is not just five, this is five plus.
  31. +8
    11 May 2013 19: 36
    Simple Kazakh in the same conditions as Russian, everything is decided by the blat and not nationality.
  32. R1a1
    +1
    11 May 2013 19: 59
    And does anyone know how the case of the Russian Vladislav Chelakh, who served in Kazakhstan, who was accused of killing 14 colleagues and the huntsman, ended. Boyars and ours and Kazakhs leaked it, like a duck in a hospital. It's a shame. An ordinary Russian guy went to the distribution ....
    Boyars. Drug trafficking is powerful there. So powerful that many have never dreamed of. We can’t handle it yet. Cover up media is our friendship. Friendship is friendship, but the real situation is terrible.
    ? Google it.
    Kazakhs are of course brothers and all that, Genghis Khan is certainly cool, etc., they are moving him now. But not so simple!
    1. +6
      11 May 2013 20: 14
      Quote: R1a1
      And does anyone know how the case of the Russian Vladislav Chelakh, who served in Kazakhstan, who was accused of killing 14 colleagues and the huntsman, ended.
      Boyars. Drug trafficking is powerful there. So powerful that many have never dreamed of. We can’t handle it yet. Cover up media is our friendship. Friendship is friendship, but the real situation is terrible.
      ? Google it.
      Kazakhs are of course brothers and all that, Genghis Khan is certainly cool, etc., they are moving him now. But not so simple!

      This is definitely not so simple. We are urging Chelakh to let go, to close drug trafficking, to shut down the media, to shut Genghis Khan and to declare for a snack that the Kazakhs are not brothers at all but foundlings. If this is not the whole list, I ask you to announce the entire list of claims to avoid further not speculation.
      1. R1a1
        0
        11 May 2013 20: 24
        http://camonitor.com/archives/4312

        Infa must be accessible and open. It is clear that not all.
        And in the interests of Russia - no options! BUT!!!
        Who can explain why we are leaving Baikanur abruptly?
        I know the answer. I want to listen to the Gogol.
        Maybe we, the Slavs, should behave a little differently for a long time?
    2. Marek Rozny
      +2
      21 May 2013 21: 18
      Well, firstly, Chelakh is the same ethnic Russian as Ceausescu - Kyrgyz.
      Secondly, Chelakh's guilt has been proven ironically and elementary in many episodes. Even if the sleeping fighters were killed not by the waking Chelakh, but by aliens, then Chelakh had to fight these Martians, as a soldier is supposed to, well, or at least report to ours that we were attacked by pop-eyed green men. But what did Chelakh do? After the "battle with the Martians", he collected all the valuables from the fallen soldiers (laptop, digital camera, hundreds and the officer's gold ring), burned the bodies and fled. Moreover, he did not run towards the neighboring post, but on the contrary, away from them. And he was hiding from our people, who were searching for the missing soldier (then they did not know who was still alive, but it was clear that one "corpse" was not enough on the battlefield with the Martians).
      How do you rate the fighting qualities of this soldier? Is he worthy of a high award or is he an ordinary criminal and a banal deserter-marauder?
      Thirdly, there is no stupid drug trafficking in those places. Stop talking nonsense. This is the border with China, not with Kyrgyzstan. And there are not even any lines of communication with a neighboring country. Fuck what a mythical drug dealer from China (where, incidentally, the death penalty is due to drug traffickers) with a bag of dope will trample through these mountains to Kazakhstan. Drugs are brought from Tajikistan (synthetic drugs - from the territory of Russia, by the way), and not from China. There is no smuggling through these mountains of industrial goods either. This is silly. No truck can drive there. It is much easier to smuggle through Kyrgyzstan from China to Kazakhstan than to climb over the rocks with a bag on foot.
      And most importantly, what does this have to do with it? Would you like to arrange a hi-wai on the national theme? If you love Chelakha, love him so that no one will see. This is your intimate business. Chikatilo is also an "ordinary Russian guy". And Evsyukov, too, I suppose just "went under the distribution" ...
  33. +5
    11 May 2013 20: 46
    Whatever happens, no matter how positive changes are shown, there will always be people who know better how to do it.
    In Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan.
    One negative. Where are the words of support?
    Why don’t we love our Motherland?
    There is enough negative, but there are positive changes.
  34. ak orda
    +8
    11 May 2013 20: 50
    Disappointed in the article. Not in the parade itself, but in the title of the article. As if we are a backward country. We are far from the Russian army, but we are not striving for this, the most important thing for us is to have a professional army ready to ensure the country's security. Moreover, given the fact that the United States is leaving Afghanistan, it forces us to pay close attention to the combat readiness of the army. I take this opportunity to thank Russia for cooperation in the field of military equipment! Russian weapons are the best in the world!
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  36. R1a1
    0
    11 May 2013 20: 55
    Quote: R1a1
    http://camonitor.com/archives/4312

    Infa must be accessible and open. It is clear that not all.
    And in the interests of Russia - no options! BUT!!!
    Who can explain why we are abruptly leaving Baikonur?
    Do you know the investment figures in Baikonur?
    To store all the eggs in more than one basket is correct, but here it is different.
    I know the answer. I want to listen to Gogol with their third volume.
    Maybe we, the Slavs, should behave a little differently for a long time?
  37. +1
    13 May 2013 15: 52
    I’m very happy for the parade, I hope to watch it a bit - I’ve already looked at it - it’s infuriated that they don’t even know how to walk - they put their hands to the sides, not back.
    I wanted to put a minus on the article, but talk about corruption is very sensible - so that's a plus.
    1. Marek Rozny
      +2
      21 May 2013 21: 29
      The topic of corruption is a win-win in any country in the world. This is and has been in the countries of the West and the East, in the capital countries and in the socialist countries. And even in kindergartens in the USSR, cooks stole from a cauldron with porridge, and at a construction site the foreman bribed the commission to turn a blind eye to the blatant quality of the masonry with a loose solution. I'm not even talking about what benefits the nomenclature had and in what way scarce goods were available to them. Any mediocre, stupid and simply crude article can turn into a "sensible" article if the author writes the sacramental: "They steal!"

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