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Why did Kazakhstan set up a military "defile"?

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The first combat parade, which took place on May 7 in Otar, caused a storm of delight only among the uninitiated. Professionals, on the other hand, took this event with a great deal of skepticism, believing that such a show very much resembled the wrong side of a fashion show, when the outfit from the nominal couturier, embroidered with rhinestones, often covers the torn model’s underpants.




As reported, more than seven thousand military personnel, more than 400 units of military equipment, more than 80 airplanes and helicopters took part in the military parade, personnel proficiency and new models of equipment used by domestic aircraft were demonstrated. And, of course, already by tradition, we were “ahead of the rest.” At least, as Vice-Minister of Defense Saken Zhasuzakov stated, Kazakhstan was the first among the CIS countries to hold a similar parade. So I want to exclaim: who would doubt!


True, high-ranking officials from the ministry move away from answering the question of what dictated such agility and desire to distinguish themselves. Why now we need such large demonstrative maneuvers? Fuel to the fire poured President of the Kazakhstan Union of Veterans of Local Wars and Military Conflicts “Combat Brotherhood” Sergey Pashevichwhich, at the beginning of the week, literally stated the following: “I have a question: who will see this parade and how much money has been spent on its organization and holding? Wouldn't it have been easier with this money to buy apartments for officers and retirees? Then the youth would have a desire to go into the army and feel socially protected. ”


The question posed by Sergey Pashevich seemed sensible to us, and we addressed it to those who at one time held high and responsible posts in the Ministry of Defense system. They did not share the “righteous wrath” of the leader of the “Martial Brotherhood”, but they also didn’t shout the triple “hurray”.


The colonel, who asked not to refer to him, called the parade “an ordinary event,” actually making it clear that this was “a personal affair of the Supreme Commander”:


- The question of the development of the Armed Forces should be looked at systematically. And if you look systematically, it is obvious that the Kazakh army needs reform. They put some general or not, a military parade went on or not - these are just particulars. But no one wants to look systematically because the army is under the pressure of stagnant, corrupt forces. As for the parade, well, the president wanted - he conducted; God bless him, that's his right. Whether we need such a parade or not needed is another matter. Pashevich is probably partly right when he says that it would be better for the money spent on the parade, the ministry bought apartments for military personnel or new military equipment. But, on the other hand, from my own experience I will say that such events discipline personnel and inspire.


Dot the i we asked Major General of the Reserve Makhmut Telegusov, Deputy Chairman of the Republican Public Association “Council of Generals”, former Deputy Commander of the Airmobile Forces.


- Makhmut Utegenovich, why should Kazakhstan conduct a combat parade?


- The armed forces must perform two main tasks. The first is strategic deterrence: this concept partly includes a demonstration of the power of the Kazakh army, its morale, and the state of military equipment. All this in a complex restrains other states from any imprudent steps towards Kazakhstan. The second task facing the Armed Forces is to protect the independence and territorial integrity of Kazakhstan. And these tasks our army performs.


- But why do it so demonstratively? Does Kazakhstan face specific military threats today? Do we want to scare someone away or are we just throwing money away?


- So you can not argue. Yes, the costs of organizing such an event, I do not even doubt, are large. I remember that even under Minister Akhmetov, before conducting one of the teachings, he was informed that it would cost 13 billion tenge. He did not believe and instructed one of the generals to “recount”. After a kind of audit, a different, reasonable figure appeared - 3 billion. I worked in the Accounts Committee and I can say that no commission will ever determine how much money has been written off during this or that exercise. But money is not everything. We must prepare today's army for the war of the future. We will be late for today's war if we prepare like that. We must constantly study, analyze, predict. Our army at any time should be ready for any threats. Yes, the cost of the parade will not bring much benefit to the state. But the parade is a kind of report by the leadership, my colleagues before the people, to show that we are, we are working, ready to fulfill any task set before us. And I think that at 99,9 percent the officer corps is capable of that. Of course, it is easier to do this in the presence of modern technology, more difficult - in its absence. But the moral and fighting spirit is not the last value.


“So the question arises: does our army have anything to be proud of except for morale and readiness to perform tasks?”


- As for the state of the Armed Forces directly, it is openly written about this in the press and is not a secret to foreign military attaches and specialists. And what the military officials are often proud of, in fact, is not a source of pride. For example, during the combat parade, a demonstration of the C125 “new” anti-aircraft missile system was announced. As they say, it would be funny if it were not so sad. And there is something to be sad about. In Russia, this installation was decommissioned three years ago. So draw conclusions.


Of course, we love our army, the people expect it to be strong, and it is impossible to look at what is happening in the Armed Forces indifferently. Yes, the parade will give some kind of hardening, training, but no more than that, because there is dragging, showing off, which, by the way, the generals have repeatedly said, believing that these shows should be stopped and the objective why should the Kazakh army be prepared, and for what conflicts. And there are three types of conflicts. The first is a conflict of low intensity, it is a fight against bandit formations, terrorists. And although today there are always loud words about new training, etc. In this direction, there is nothing new here, we have begun this work during the Batken events. The second type is medium intensity conflicts, for example, a war between states. The unstable geopolitical situation in the Central Asian region, the militarization of the Caspian Sea, water security issues, national disputes in the post-Soviet territory, new threats are all factors that can provoke hostilities. The third type is high-intensity conflicts when states fight with coalitions. From this, unfortunately, no one is insured, too, and we have already seen this in the example of Yugoslavia and other countries. Now is the time that we must be ready for any conflicts, for any challenges.


No matter what we show today, whatever parades we carry out, this is unlikely to be a revelation to anyone - everyone who wanted to know what our army is like has long been known to everyone, with the possible exception of some methods of conducting military operations. It would be another matter if during the parade new procured equipment was tested and the opinions of experts were listened to, as was done in the days of the Union when the research group was created. And so ...


“But let's go back to the technical equipment of the army ...”


- I have already raised this issue more than once, and I repeat once again that the public procurement system has finished our army. Now the scandal after the scandal flares up again, and the generals again go to jail. And all because the created system pushes them to a crime, and allows the organizers to stand aside. That is how the rearmament plan of our army was thwarted. I remember how in 2009 the then Defense Minister Danial Akhmetov competently substantiated the need to purchase ten C300 divisional anti-aircraft missile systems - strategic weapons that would protect the entire airspace of our country. But the new leadership of the ministry did not do this. Instead, some “Cobras” are being purchased from Turkey, the BTR-4 from Ukraine, the BTR-82 from Russia. But picking up weapons for ground forces without air cover, we turn ourselves into an open target, especially in contactless wars. In modern conditions, we need a strong air defense, which, unfortunately, we were not able to create, and at the beginning of the year we became part of a unified air defense system of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, which to some extent made us dependent on our northern neighbor.


Now, as it seems to me, it is necessary to create a commission under the government and re-examine the military-technical policy of the state, the program of rearmament of the army, to amend the law on public procurement. It is necessary to take away the functions of public procurement from the Armed Forces, law enforcement agencies and transfer them to the government. All of this, including the activities of the Defense Ministry’s subsidiaries, should be dealt with by the government. This approach is vividly illustrated by the sad experience of Russia. Unfortunately, the Ministry of Defense itself is not interested in seeking more efficient use of state funds.



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  1. treskoed
    treskoed 11 May 2013 07: 48 New
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    Well done! Let the neighbors get envious!
    1. patline
      patline 11 May 2013 08: 32 New
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      Kazakhstan is ours, ours. Let them hold parades and show off with weapons, and OUR weapons. When we unite the armed forces, then it will not be necessary to restore at least from scratch.
      The only thing that annoys is Tony Blair in Nazarbayev’s advisers.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 11 May 2013 09: 13 New
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        The article put a minus. A similar nagging is often heard in our home: they say what a show, the money could have been spent on some nursing home, school or hospital. No doubt, it is necessary to spend on everything and maintain at a decent level all spheres of life of citizens. But one cannot slip into the “devour” category only, people should be proud of their country, parades are held to raise the patriotic spirit of the people. In addition, Kazakhstan did not disown the Great Victory, as it is now fashionable to please the Western wolves, but showed everyone that this is also the merit of the Kazakh people, for which special thanks, well done neighbors.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 11 May 2013 09: 52 New
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          Very clever, combined business with pleasure and parade and exercises, killed two birds with one stone. I think it's the opposite of cost savings. In addition, it is one thing to drive in front of everyone, another to shoot. What could be more impressive than shooting from a tank or helicopter. Great, keep it up! I hope this will become a tradition.
        2. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 11 May 2013 15: 40 New
          0
          Made them dependent on the northern neighbor (air defense). And when was it different ?.
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 11 May 2013 21: 00 New
          +6
          Greetings! The final part contains quite constructive criticism. Indeed, why instead of three hundred we buy these slop cobras from Otokar.
          The fact that we have some kind of Armed forces is understandable and good. But the fact that not quite these Armed forces are ready to confront both against an irregular armed enemy like the Syrian gangs, and against a technically well-equipped enemy. Well, in fact, how to shoot down modern S-125 airplanes? He’s going to shoot at parades, to seriously fight - well, no way. But the main thing is that there is money and you can buy even the same Antey-2500.
          Against an irregular adversary bought a terminator. The idea is good, but the terminator is damp. A twin 30 mm cannon whose shells at a distance of 1000 m do not pierce the wall even with only a “brick” thickness, whereas in most houses the exterior walls are one and a half brick thick plus an outdated aiming system, which forces a crew of 5 (!) People. He fired a vampire and immediately 5 two hundred. Not a channel. It is necessary to intellectualize the board in order to reduce the crew to three people and increase the caliber of guns to 40 mm
        4. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 18: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets
          In addition, Kazakhstan did not disown the Great Victory, as it is now fashionable to please the Western wolves, but showed everyone that the merit of the Kazakh people is in this

          Well, there were more Kazakhs on the battlefield of the Second World War than ... Americans))) The percentage mobilized in the Kazakh SSR was higher than in the other republics of the Soviet Union - every fourth went to the front, and if you count with those called up to the Red Army until June 1941 and serving inside the republic, then almost every third Kazakhstani was in military uniform - i.e. virtually all of the male population of the republic. In Kazakhstan, even Republican ministers went to the front in national divisions for the posts of political workers. The percentage of “slopes” was minimal (especially in comparison with neighboring Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, which earned the contemptuous nickname “eldash” at the front, which in Uzbek means “comrade”; the Kazakh version of this word “zholdas” never had a derogatory connotation in Russian front-line soldiers). And this despite the fact that the lion's share of Kazakhs by 1941 was "unreliable", since half of the Kazakhs (roughly speaking) were relatives of the "enemies of the people", but in our country half the country in 20-30 years was recorded in the "bay" / "fists "due to the fact that most Kazakhs have always traditionally had a lot of cattle by the standards of Russia (and then for numerous skirmishes with the NKVD-shniki in 32-33). Both Kazakh heroines of the Soviet Union Manshuk Mametova and Aliya Moldagulova from repressed families, like most other Kazakh heroes. And most of the famous Almaty 316th Infantry Division (8th GSD them. Panfilov) - were politically "unreliable." Many Russian Kazakhstanis were also from the "wrong" citizens - deportees, deportees and others. But in the end, Kazakhstanis of all nationalities in all Kazakhstani units were noted during the war as one of the most motivated and strong wars. Almost all units formed in Kazakhstan are awarded with honors and honorary titles, or are simply mentioned more than once as exemplary units. Only, perhaps, there is no information about the 106th national cavalry division from Akmolinsk (was supposed to be part of the 6th cavalry corps), this division went missing with other Soviet units in the Kharkov boiler in May 1942. Even now, the Russian Defense Ministry has no information about these cavalrymen - literally "do not appear on the lists." The combat path of the remaining Kazakh divisions is well known and there is no reason to be ashamed or ashamed of the Kazakh wars. And even the captive Kazakhs who went to serve in the Turkestan Legion of the Wehrmacht, we can be proud of. This "new Wehrmacht" not only categorically refused to fight against their own, but in general almost all Wehrmacht units composed of Central Asian and Volga Turks (Kazakhs, Turkmens, Tatars, Bashkirs, Kyrgyz, as well as Caucasian Azerbaijanis who served in the Turkestan Legion and "Idel-Ural") at the first opportunity turned weapons against the Germans and massively switched whole units to the side of the Red Army and / or partisans. Unlike ROA, "Galicia" and Crimean Tatars.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 18: 47 New
            +2
            Kazakhstan is perhaps the only ex-USSR country that continues to build monuments to the Red Army on its territory and in the territory of other countries (including Russia). Work has been established with Russian search engines - when a dead Kazakhstani is found, the state pays all expenses related to the war burial in Kazakhstan and / or pays the way for relatives to the burial place if they decided to leave the soldier’s grave at the place of detection. In other words, the Kazakhs (that of people, that of the government) have not the slightest doubt that it was “our war”, “right war” and we will not be allowed to write dubious dregs in the style of “stuffed with meat” in Russia , “It would be better if the Germans lost”, “we don’t know how to fight,” and “only at the barrels of detachments did we go to battle”.
            And add to this the inborn pride of the Kazakhs for the centuries-old war with the Dzungars, which ended with the total destruction of the enemy, as well as the fact that the Kazakhs are proud that they were the basis of Genghis Khan's army. Even Mongolian historians do not argue with this fact. We have disputes with the Mongols only because of the personality of Genghis Khan himself)))) Regarding the national composition of the Horde army, the steppes have no questions)
            Well, the Kazakhs traditionally enter the Turkic / Hunnic wars with ancient and medieval China into the piggy bank of their own military glory (although this is a merit, of course, of all the Turkic-steppe peoples), and the Kazakhs also generally do not disown the western campaign of the Huns. At the same time, this is one of the reasons for the warm Kazakh-Hungarian modern relations (Kazakhs and Hungarians consider each other close relatives, and genetically Hungarians are similar to Kazakh Argyns from the Middle Zhuz).
            In a word, the Kazakhs will refuse their military history))) We can not remember the ancient cities overgrown with steppe weeds, we can forget about the medieval Central Asian scientific renaissance, we can forget the labor merits of the Kazakhs in restoring the post-war Union, but the memory of past wars is basis of the Kazakh mentality. We have been raising children since childhood that the Kazakhs are the best in the world of war. This, of course, is hyperbolization, but in another way, children have not been raised and are not raised. That in the 13th century, that in the 21st.
    2. Torang
      Torang 11 May 2013 14: 56 New
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      In my opinion, all the talk about money is a purely populist topic. The military parade is the face and prestige of the state, they do not save on this. Well done. Have fun, the gay people save on their, as it were, to put it mildly, unconventional parades. And the army must show what it is.
  2. Vladomir
    Vladomir 11 May 2013 07: 59 New
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    You can always say - "the money was spent there." A better here or here. This question is in the competence of the President, the Ministry of Defense. They showed the people and themselves that in Kazakhstan there are Armed Forces. However, a desirable closer interaction with the Russian Armed Forces and its military-industrial complex. Anyway, in the military field to work together.
    1. afire
      afire 11 May 2013 23: 37 New
      0
      I don’t understand at all where even 3 mdr have flowed away, a parade of equipment is needed unconditionally, but 3 lard is somehow dashing, the passage of several tens of airplanes and several thousand soldiers costs such money ????
      What then will cost any, even local protection of the territory, in the event of a conflict ???
      99.9% obscene theft
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 May 2013 08: 08 New
    +8
    Everything is in place and the parade and time and people. And there will be, I hope, apartments and others. Well done!
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 08: 10 New
    -7
    Quote: treskoed
    Let the neighbors get envious!

    In the north, Russia is an ally. If, for the "intimidation" of the Ubeks and the Kirghiz, let them so ... indulge. hi
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 11 May 2013 08: 27 New
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      Well, as if Russia has 3500 km with us. an unprotected border, in principle, so that Russia should rejoice that its southern neighbor has something to show.
      1. Canep
        Canep 11 May 2013 10: 59 New
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        The land border between Russia and Kazakhstan is 7512,8 km long and is one of the longest borders in the world.

        Not just one of .., but the longest in the world.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 11 May 2013 11: 21 New
          0
          if it’s solid land, then yes. in general, if we take into account the sea borders, then the USA-Canada
      2. stvgol
        stvgol 11 May 2013 12: 43 New
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        Then it is more appropriate to hold a parade of Internal Troops and Border Guards.
        That Russia abroad was calm.
        Well, there are also customs officers who on the border with Kyrgyzstan in general, except flies, do not catch anything.
    2. Canep
      Canep 11 May 2013 08: 29 New
      +6
      In southern Afghanistan, Taliban groups used to come from there before NATO drove them into the corners. The Americans will leave Afghanistan most likely to happen again.
      1. stvgol
        stvgol 11 May 2013 12: 49 New
        +3
        There were no Taliban in Central Asia.
        For that matter, they generally have no relation whatsoever to the Central Asian countries. And the guys who climbed to Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, never sought to Kazakhstan.
        They went about their internal showdowns. The predominant population of Northern Afghanistan is Tajiks and Uzbeks, so they engaged in tribal showdowns in the nineties and arranged, without thinking of any expansion to the north.
  5. djon3volta
    djon3volta 11 May 2013 08: 13 New
    +4
    Well, they held a parade, and so what? Who cares that you could buy apartments instead of a parade? Those who say that, live 100 pounds in an apartment, and so on everywhere. Some people like to translate conversations into money and compare what one could buy. The DPRK also holds parades, but what was needed instead of the parade to buy rice and flour, and then divide it equally? But if you count it, then it is no longer profitable to say that instead of the money spent on the parade, everyone will get 2 kg of rice and 3 kg of flour, and that people from 2 kg of rice will become happier ??? how do I get pissed off by these arguments, truth-teller exposers, constantly show WATCH, HE MILLIONAIRE, IT SHOULD BE IMMEDIATED TO SHOOT.
    or take for example Alisher Usmanov, a billionaire, a fortune of $ 18 billion. let's divide it up 18 billion for 143 million inhabitants equally - each will get $ 125, that is, 3800 rubles. There is no more Usmanov and he doesn’t have $ 18 billion, your 3800 rubles you will spend in a few days, the question is: where will you continue to take money from? Who will you select and share? billionaires are not endless, and they don’t earn 18-20 billion every month to unfasten 3800 rubles each, he will not be able to save 18 billion to give you 3800 rubles again, do you understand it or not? fool
    maybe there’s a wise guy who will calculate how much the May 9 parade cost? and write an article to arrange a srach on the forum, saying that this money should be given to the poor or to pensioners? Well, they will give it away, well, how much will they get? 2-5 thousand rubles? , there’s no more money for the parade and no one is going to allocate 2-5 thousand every month, the parade is held once a year. And imagine how many people put on all these calculations, criticism, because they’re loved by many times! They just live and do their business, and from the fact that they criticize or do not criticize, nothing global will happen. As they say - when the cat has nothing to do, you know what he is doing.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 11 May 2013 12: 16 New
      +7
      Well done Kazakhs. I know how hard it is to organize such an event.
  6. Rustiger
    Rustiger 11 May 2013 08: 16 New
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    Well spent, and spent. What's so bad about that? There Latvia also "spent." So much so that the video walks around the whole of the whole world, with comments like - “and we also have two inflatable boats, four ATVs, and two garbage trucks painted in“ khaki. ”You won’t get into disgrace.
    And the Kazakhs not only showed off in front of each other (bad Serdyukovy example - contagious), but something similar to the teachings arranged, as well as morale slightly raised.
    Well, and then noted most likely this thing, probably not even koumiss drinks laughing
  7. Canep
    Canep 11 May 2013 08: 24 New
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    Probably 3-4 months were preparing for this battle parade, this is also combat training. Nazarbayev’s normal move now shows that the army is more or less combat-ready, not like in the 90s, two batteries per tank company. Each year should be carried out with different scenarios and with the involvement of different parts.
    1. Beck
      Beck 12 May 2013 13: 39 New
      +5
      PARADE is the pride of his army and an indicator of the condition of the troops.

      It is very good that there are Russians on this page who understand that the stronger the army of allied Kazakhstan, the less threats to Russia from the southeast. All the more forces and means can be distributed in other areas of Russia.

      And I would like to mention separately, and it’s for those who are screaming about “oppression”. In the second and third photographs (from top to bottom), among the senior officers there are Slavs. In 4 photographs among the cadets, the boy is a Slav (second from left). At 5, the standard bearer is a Slav. 6 Slavs in the elite troops (third from left). On 12 among veterans, in the front row a Slav. "They would have oppressed", so in the first place they would not have been taken into the army.
  8. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 11 May 2013 08: 53 New
    +5
    Kazakhstan is a buffer zone between us and countries such as China, and Afghanistan is probably worth mentioning as well (although it does not directly border it). This is an important, if not strategically important, ally for Russia. Russia needs a strong Kazakhstan. And the fact that he conducts exercises is a show for the country, patriotic education of the population and youth. We also hold parades throughout the country. However, no one in thoughts does not need to use them.
  9. Roll
    Roll 11 May 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    fellow Kazakhstan is a wealthy independent country and can afford a parade. The main threat to Kazakhstan in the near future is a civil war, the possibility of disintegration into several formations, and the Kazakhs are doing the right thing when purchasing armored personnel carriers and cobras, with -300 they are not needed here. And if China decides to occupy, nothing will save here, but Russia and NATO. Therefore, while Kazakhstan is doing everything right, all the fun will begin after Nazarbayev’s departure. And as for the question of apartments instead of the parade, such questions could be asked under socialism, with the model of capitalism as they are now meaningless.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 19: 18 New
      +2
      Civil war in Kazakhstan is impossible. "Kazakh does not fight Kazakh." This is a national creed. In our history, there has never even been a hint of a civil war. In general, never. Khans of different zhuzs could be rivals, they could poison each other, their nukers could fight each other, but the people, subordinate to different khans, never fought with each other. All Kazakhs are to each other - relatives, countrymen, neighbors.
      But China does not need to scare us. Our ancestors of 2000 years at least fought with them. And never once did the numerous Chinese defeat us. That they were fenced off from us by the Great Wall, and not we from them))))
      There will be no shock in Kazakhstan after Nazarbayev’s departure. Nazarbayev is not the only one who can manage. But his merits in the fact that he is successfully developing the country are invaluable, with all his current “bronzation”. So let him continue to steer, if he does it well. Although he was tired of the devils, like old furniture. But, damn it, it’s stupid to throw away old furniture if it is still in excellent condition and fully functional. We do not need to play Western European "democratic" games with elections. Our whole history has had its own democracy - "military democracy", when khans and khans were elected by a majority of votes by the leaders of clans, tribes, people's judges and influential batyrs (war-commanders) and sultans. These people were chosen by ordinary people. And they already chose the khans who followed them to the Last Sea. And if the khan could not cope with its tasks, then it was thrown out in three letters, as the Kyrgyz still practice))) And I like this version of democracy much more than Western European. Nazarbayev’s departure doesn’t scare me at all. He is not the only thinking Kazakh. He simply has more merit.
  10. Semurg
    Semurg 11 May 2013 09: 37 New
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    Here, the former general writes that instead of ten S-300 divisions they buy armored personnel carriers, terminators, cobras for the ground forces for me is the right approach because there is a real danger from the Taliban who can go through the mountains, and then in our steppes where the equipment purchased now is useful, I don’t shoot them from the S-300. So I think the MO has the right approach both to the purchase of equipment and to the display of this equipment in a similar parade. Well, and that money is stolen from the purchase, it’s probably everywhere, I think some percentage is plucked everywhere , well, when this percentage begins to increase, or even worse detriment to defense, then you need to plant it in spite of faces and merits. It is probably not possible to completely eradicate theft in construction and arms purchases even in the vaunted and transparent countries of the West, but it seeks to minimize this larceny is necessary. And parades should be carried out as it is written in "Divanama" to raise the spirit of the people and intimidate the enemies of the state and not only abroad.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 19: 24 New
      +2
      We have S-300 and S-200. And there is also an agreement on further procurement. The problem is that the Russians are not yet able to increase their production. Therefore, we just stand in line. In a couple of years, new "eski" will be adopted by Kazakhstan. Telegusov is a normal man, but he is slightly drawn somewhere into the opposition at times. He himself should be well aware that we have long agreed with the Russians on the purchase of new batches of S-300 and S-400.
  11. Alexander-Tomsk
    Alexander-Tomsk 11 May 2013 09: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Rolm
    all the fun will begin after Nazarbayev’s departure.


    Well, I thought about the same thing. I read somewhere that Nazarbayev will soon retire, naturally, during the transfer of power, all sorts of incidents can occur (you see, the carriers of peace and democracy will arrange another color revolution wink ), for this, a game of muscles is arranged, for this, ground-based military equipment is purchased.
    In the event of anything serious, Russia will cover the territory of Kazakhstan with an umbrella of its air defense, so there is no need to seriously spend money on air defense.
  12. ed65b
    ed65b 11 May 2013 09: 52 New
    +2
    It is necessary to take away the functions of state purchases from the Armed forces and power structures and transfer them to the government. All this, including the activities of subsidiaries of the Ministry of Defense, should be addressed by the government.

    Uncle had to start from this, the government certainly knows better what the army needs. Especially if there is cous swat brother sits. In sawed dibs.
  13. avt
    avt 11 May 2013 10: 09 New
    +5
    That's how interesting it is about the parades in unison with our liberods sang. It seems to me that this 3,14-well is not casual. And that is typical, like a carbon copy and almost one whistle. negative Cheap article.
  14. Hleb
    Hleb 11 May 2013 10: 12 New
    +3
    couple more photos

    1. Gecko
      Gecko 11 May 2013 14: 53 New
      +5
      Straight Robocop smile
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 11 May 2013 19: 28 New
        +8
        robocopes here
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 May 2013 19: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Gleb
          robocopes here

          Exactly, that would be available laughing
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 17: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: gecko
        Straight Robocops smile

        almost guessed)))) these are law enforcement troops: in the first photo - the military police, in the second photo - soldiers of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 11 May 2013 10: 14 New
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    As soon as someone begins to hold a parade in the countries of the former USSR, “kites peck” the country! Flies to forget their history, that’s what the defenders demand. What can you educate your generation on ?!
    And I’ll tell you that it was better for big brothers from Europe and America to be educated on the example of PAKIMONS !!
  16. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 11 May 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    Guys from Kazakhstan, who knows your Beret rifle is only bought by specialists or for everyone?
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 19: 31 New
      +3
      "for all" - we have SVD. but constantly in small batches they buy new snipers - OSV-96, Vintoreza, Austrian and other West European. First, the KNB (National Security Committee) and the Republican Guard were saturated, then they began to enter the troops. So far, we have a bunch of different sniper rifles from different manufacturers. No specific decision regarding the standardization of these weapons in the Armed Forces has been made yet.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 25 May 2013 15: 19 New
      +1
      sorry, I didn’t understand correctly))) I thought about the sniper rifles a question (often arises). We only have Beretta assault rifles at the MO special forces. They were purchased after last year's military exhibition "Cadex". About the plans for arming conventional parts with these machine guns while silence.
  17. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 11: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: Karavan
    Well, as if Russia has 3500 km with us. unprotected borders in principle

    Unprotected By .... PV RF has not yet been canceled! With your principles from the south, protect !, and the southeast ... hi
  18. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 11: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Karavan
    Well, as if Russia has 3500 km with us. unprotected borders in principle, so that, and Russia should rejoice,

    It is from you that joy should directly come from the neighborhood with Russia (from your leadership!). In the South - get stronger ... And less conditions in Russia ... "it will be easier for you!". hi
  19. Apollo
    Apollo 11 May 2013 11: 57 New
    13
    BRAVO, Armed Forces of Kazakhstan good

  20. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 12: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: VohaAhov
    This is an important, if not strategically important, ally for Russia. Russia needs a strong Kazakhstan

    Or maybe after you are reminded that "Russia transfers Baikonur to Kazakhstan" ( http://grani.ru/Politics/Russia/Cabinet/m.211623.html), tell us about an ally, especially a "strategic" one.
    Everyone wants to snatch a “piece” from RUSSIA, there are no allies, partners, YES! EXCEPT BELARUS AND UKRAINE (GIVE GOD!) -All deception!
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 19: 41 New
      +3
      but could you recall who Baikonur belongs to at all - Russia or Kazakhstan? if forgotten, then remind - Kazakhstan. Nobody drove Russia out of there, it was Russia secretly decided to build a cosmodrome on its territory and transfer all space launches there. Baikonur simply did not need Roscosmos. The Kazakhs demanded that Russia decide - either it conducts full-fledged activities at this cosmodrome, or will return part of the leased complex back, so that Kazakhstan would expand its work there on the space theme. Roscosmos created a hysteria (because Baikonur did not want to return, and did not want to do any work there either), but the leadership of Russia and Kazakhstan ALWAYS finds a common language - in the end, Russia remains in Baikonur (although it will transfer the main starts to its cosmodrome - and this is the desire of Russia, not Kazakhstan), and at the same time Russia will give unused objects of the leased spaceport back to Kazakhstan, where it will be conducted joint Job. In addition, Kazakhstan proposed to generally remove the rent from Russia for the use of Baikonur and share half of the "Baikonur" costs of Russia.
      So do not hysteria like Roskosmos. The Kazakhs in this matter have remained the same old Kazakhs with whom the Russians will always find a common language. Plus, under the Baikonur theme, we will also tie Ukrainians to integration with us (with Russia and Kazakhstan).
  21. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 13: 13 New
    -1
    Yes, and also, regarding the “friends” from the “underbelly” of Russia:Kyrgyzstan intends to adopt Kazakhstan's experience in conducting economic reforms-
    Experts suggest that Atambaev’s trip to Astana, about which no one knew anything until Bishkek’s departure, was a continuation of consultations with political partners who play key roles in the Customs Union and NATO, in the context of ongoing bargaining between Russia and members of the CU and the West for the loyalty of Kyrgyzstan. Recall that from April 9 to 10, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan paid an official visit to Bishkek, with whom the Kyrgyz President discussed a number of pressing issues, including the possibility of increasing investment in the Kyrgyz economy, the prospects for the construction of hydropower plants by Turkish specialists in the Kyrgyz Republic, as well as conditions for the allocation of grant funds to official Bishkek. It is known that behind the scenes the president of Kyrgyzstan and the head of the Turkish government should have negotiated over the extension of the agreement with NATO on the Manas airbase hi
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 19: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      about the "friends" from the "underbelly" of Russia

      Solzhenitsyn died, but his work lives on ... You would think first, who introduced such turns of speech in Russian, and for what purpose. Although if you share the thoughts of the enemies of Russia like Solzhenitsyn, that Kazakhstan is a wild, wild people, of which there is no use for Russia, then alas, I can not help you.

      I can comment on the note that you brought here as follows: "In the garden - elder, and in Kiev - uncle."
  22. individual
    individual 11 May 2013 13: 21 New
    +4
    In my deep conviction, their commander in chief has the right to decide on a parade. And show the equipment and armaments that are able to protect Kazakhstan from threats from the south. And from the north, Russia is the guarantor of their security in accordance with the CSTO treaty and the customs agreement. And if Ukraine followed this example,
    then a union in any form, Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine would be a single adhesion of mutual security.
  23. romb
    romb 11 May 2013 13: 24 New
    +4
    Kyrgyzstan intends to adopt the experience of Kazakhstan in conducting economic reforms -

    Do not understand. And what is the relationship between the above and the following:
    .... It is known that behind the scenes the president of Kyrgyzstan and the head of the Turkish government should have negotiated over the extension of the agreement with NATO on the air base

    Adopting economic experience is one thing, and considering the issue of finding a NATO military base is completely different. You would not bring everything together. hi
  24. heavytank
    heavytank 11 May 2013 13: 44 New
    +7
    I don’t know why some reasonable people do not understand the essence of this parade? The parade demonstrated that we have a combat-ready army and weapons. Prior to this, world leaders doubted: What will happen when the United States and NATO leave Afghanistan? will terrorists cross the borders of the CIS countries? CSTO countries can show something? YES!!! this parade in Kazakhstan, the Parade in Moscow showed that the CIS countries are ready to accept the post. and that was the proof.
    1. romb
      romb 11 May 2013 14: 05 New
      11
      You're right! This parade is very important, and not only for the people of Kazakhstan. One of the main messages was that Kazakhstan was not going to panic, and thereby give the Americans another additional reason to stay in Afghanistan under various pretexts. Yes, and CSTO allies of this kind of event will have a somewhat encouraging effect.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 11 May 2013 16: 43 New
        +6
        This is not a parade, but rather a divisional teaching with all the means of amplification. Everything shoots, everything flies and moves, and even how. Plus in compliance with "security measures". Five points.
        Yes, the "division" which many can not even dream of.
        1. romb
          romb 11 May 2013 17: 06 New
          +6
          He was officially called the "military parade", so I indicated this definition. hi
  25. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 13: 51 New
    -2
    Quote: romb
    Adopting economic experience is one thing, and considering the issue of finding a NATO military base is completely different. You wouldn’t bring everything together

    Dear, but I’m not used to it all in one pile! Look for you, maybe the author is wrong in what ... http: //www.news-asia.ru/view/kz/politics/4560. Just read, so be so kind! hi
    1. romb
      romb 11 May 2013 14: 16 New
      +7
      Read. And what's wrong with Turkish investment in the Kyrgyz economy?
      Here it is necessary to rejoice, the Kyrgyz will be less migrant workers in a foreign land.
      Regarding the NATO base. It also says that official Ankara denies this fact.
      I would be careful not to believe all sorts of unnamed sources, "onalitags" and "experts" once again.hi
  26. Yugra
    Yugra 11 May 2013 14: 24 New
    +7
    The Kazakhs are great, they are doing something for the development of the country, their army, not like the Uzbek-Tajik-Kyrgyz swamp. The aggression against Russia, the Kazakhs and Belarusians are the only ones who will fight for us.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 20: 32 New
      0
      We will pull out the Kyrgyz. Then the Tajiks, then the Uzbeks. In general, Kyrgyz need a little help technically (legal advice) and a little financial (primary investment in promising sectors), and then the Kyrgyz with their characteristic obstinacy will bring the matter to its logical conclusion. Also, we and Turks will be overtaken, for example, in the tourism business or the clothing industry. Yes, and they are good soldiers.
      The Uzbeks would have long overtaken the Kazakhs, if not for Karimov’s conservatism and his pathological desire to live on a separate planet.
      Kazakhstan will not force relations with Uzbekistan while Karimov is in power there. It's pointless. He is unpredictable, inconsistent and emotional (this is a minus for the politician). Now he again climbs with hugs to Nazarbayev, but it is clear that now Karimov just wants to find a “temporary” ally in solving the region’s water problems. It’s impossible to push Karimov off, ears cannot be hung up. Moreover, as a result, we risk spoiling relations with Bishkek and Dushanbe. And we have plans for further integration with them. Therefore, the Kazakhs have already created some interethnic structures whose task is to help these republics. We, the Kazakhs, need to get them out of the "swamp". And by this time, the Uzbeks are already "ripening." The Kyrgyz are already almost in the Customs Union, but Dushanbe still needs to solve many problems. Rahmon is an imperfect partner, but there is no other.
      A separate song is Turkmenistan. Although Turkmenistan will not be a member of the Customs Union (Eurasian Union) in the next decade, it should become a key ally in many economic areas (a single "hydrocarbon" policy).
      As regards the “fight for Russia” - well, so Russia is not a foreign land for us. Starting with the fact that the territory of the Russian Federation was historically the Turkic Kaganate, the Kyrgyz state and even Tyumen was once the first capital of the Uzbek Khanate) and ending with the fact that in modern history the destinies of our peoples were intertwined so that de-integration - this really means "cut live". A million native Kazakhs live in Russia in the border areas from the Volga to Altai, plus millions of Tatars, Bashkirs, Nogais, who are perceived by the Kazakhs as siblings. Millions of Russians live in Kazakhstan, who are also related by kinship with people from Russia. Each Kazakh has a friend, classmate, relative, friend in Russia in Russia. And how many times I was on a business trip to Russia, almost every Russian told me that his relatives live in Karaganda or Almaty, or he served in the Soviet era in Kazakhstan, or his parents once built something in the Kazakh SSR. These are the bonds that make Astana and Moscow go in one bundle.
      Well, if a soldier of the Kazakh army does not want to fight for Russia or Belarus, then he will be poked into the Military Doctrine of Kazakhstan, where it is written in black and white that one of the tasks of the armed forces of Kazakhstan is to protect the interests of the countries of the Customs Union;)
      I don’t know what is written in the Military Doctrine of Russia and Belarus, but we have already officially stated that Kazakh soldiers required beat those who "offend" an ally)))) I'm not talking about the fact that there are still obligations under the CSTO and just common sense, which suggests that military assistance from Russia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and some other countries of the ex-USSR - this always in the interests of Kazakhstan’s security.
  27. fenix57
    fenix57 11 May 2013 14: 55 New
    -2
    Quote: romb
    Regarding the NATO base

    "The first battle parade, held on May 7 in Otar, caused a storm of delight only among the uninitiated."Yes, they would have been on the 9th of MAY. Together with FRIENDLY RUSSIA! .... YES ONLY FOR! ....
    Nooo, exactly the 7th. And in Russia that ... whom they met, ... oh, Kerry came to Russia, hi
    1. smsk
      smsk 11 May 2013 15: 43 New
      +7
      May 7 is Kazakhstan’s Defender of the Fatherland Day in Kazakhstan, and a parade was dedicated to it. And on May 9 it was already celebrated in the Republic of Kazakhstan and on a large scale.
  28. Barvetum
    Barvetum 11 May 2013 15: 46 New
    +9
    This parade is primarily aimed at showing firepower. And I will say one thing, power is not weak. And to judge how much money was spent, how much money was lost not for us. The parade was held, the spirit was raised, the people are happy. You know what it was like to watch (I watched in Astana near the media center on the screen). Already took pride in the country.

    Why all this is being done, and sooner or later, it will have to be applied. In the south, the Islamists were already running, and the 2011-2012 year turned out to be especially fruitful for them, and here also the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, the ever-revolting Kyrgyzstan.

    Parade in the Zhambyl region. I want to go to Dzhambul, it’s warm there, my Mom is there ...
  29. groom
    groom 11 May 2013 17: 36 New
    -2
    And Slavic faces only in the photograph with veterans. Northern Kazakhstan was populated by Russians. Survived or what? Although it’s understandable, the Russian is not comfortable living in Asian culture.
    True, in Russia, the regime implements Asian values.
    1. Alexander-Tomsk
      Alexander-Tomsk 11 May 2013 17: 42 New
      +2
      A lot of Russians come to us to get higher education, and after (on time) study they get citizenship and stay to live in Russia. They say that you can live there but you can’t move forward on work. Kazakhs are trying to put their own leaders and superiors.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 11 May 2013 18: 27 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
        A lot of Russians come to us to get higher education, and after (on time) study they get citizenship and stay to live in Russia. They say that you can live there but you can’t move forward on work. Kazakhs are trying to put their own leaders and superiors.

        In business, everyone is equal to each according to his abilities, so to speak. the service needs knowledge of the state language, and preferably service in the army, and they don’t have any prospects for the state service, and so Tomsk universities are highly valued in Kazakhstan.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 11 May 2013 21: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: Semurg
          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          A lot of Russians come to us to get higher education, and after (on time) study they get citizenship and stay to live in Russia. They say that you can live there but you can’t move forward on work. Kazakhs are trying to put their own leaders and superiors.

          In business, everyone is equal to each according to his abilities, so to speak. the service needs knowledge of the state language, and preferably service in the army, and they don’t have any prospects for the state service, and so Tomsk universities are highly valued in Kazakhstan.
          - Fictions that the Russians are hindered in career growth in Kazakhstan. The market is small, becoming the head of a department of a company of a republican scale in Kazakhstan is not at all the same as being the same head of a department in a company of a federal scale in Russia. Both the scale and salaries are completely different. This is the main reason for the departure of Russian people of Kazakh origin, who studied in Tomsk, to Russia, there are more stupid prospects, and there is no Nazism and everything else. Education in Kazakhstan and in Soviet times was not the best in the USSR. But AVOKU was at the level of the Polytechnic, the rest was so-so. So it remains. So the second reason is education. And with Tomsk or even better with a Novosibirsk diploma you will come to Kazakhstan - you won’t be left without a good job
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 12 May 2013 06: 48 New
            +3
            Education in Kazakhstan and in Soviet times was not the best in the USSR
            in no way was it inferior to other republics. one country, one system, structure of education. here on the site there are many Kazakhstanis, even more who were born in Kazakhstan. show at least one here who would write and think so that one could say- he is illiterate, an ignoramus, probably he got an education in Kazakhstan.
            did you also receive a soviet education in Kazakhstan?
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 13 May 2013 01: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: Gleb
              Education in Kazakhstan and in Soviet times was not the best in the USSR
              in no way was it inferior to other republics. one country, one system, structure of education. here on the site there are many Kazakhstanis, even more who were born in Kazakhstan. show at least one here who would write and think so that one could say- he is illiterate, an ignoramus, probably he got an education in Kazakhstan.
              did you also receive a soviet education in Kazakhstan?

              - school - in Kazakhstan, the institute - half in Russia, alas, I just note that I didn’t pull it, was on the verge of expulsion, transferred to Almaty - yes, the program is easier in our university, the teachers are more sparing, etc. . Although I confirm - the standard was felt, but our program was still noticeably lighter - after the Moscow university, I almost pulled the last two courses on red -))))
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 12 May 2013 06: 34 New
        0
        the same thing in Omsk, Chelyabinsk. they are going to continue to study, to Yekaterinburg, Tyumen ... with medicine there is a separate question. brain tomography, for example, people are going to do from Astana, Kokchetav, Petropavlovsk.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 12 May 2013 08: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Gleb
          the same thing in Omsk, Chelyabinsk. they are going to continue to study, to Yekaterinburg, Tyumen ... with medicine there is a separate question. brain tomography, for example, people are going to do from Astana, Kokchetav, Petropavlovsk.

          Yes, if they can’t get full-fledged medical assistance on the spot, this is not good, this is a field for both the state and first of all business (this is what kind of money goes to the cash desk due to the lack of narrow specialists, Gleb pointed out to our businessmen an unoccupied niche where you can earn good money)
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 11 May 2013 18: 18 New
      -2
      Quote: groom
      And Slavic faces only in the photograph with veterans. Northern Kazakhstan was populated by Russians. Survived or what? Although it’s understandable, the Russian is not comfortable living in Asian culture.
      True, in Russia, the regime implements Asian values.

      Yes, Slavic people are mowing down from the army like in Russia, while Kazakhs, like Caucasians in Russia, are happy to join the army.
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        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 May 2013 19: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: tm70-71
          Well, yes, in Russia the army consists of Kazakhs or Caucasians, think what you write. MAL.

          ..... Kazakhs serve in the army of Kazakhstan, Caucasians in the army of Russia serve with a bang and the Slavs mow what is there, what is here.
          1. tm70-71
            tm70-71 11 May 2013 20: 25 New
            -1
            ..... I definitely did not see the Kazakhs in our army, they do not want to.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 11 May 2013 22: 13 New
              +4
              ..... Does your army have no Kazakhs? do not want ? Drive a rotten broom of all - service in the army is the holy duty of all citizens of the state.
              1. tm70-71
                tm70-71 12 May 2013 05: 58 New
                -1
                They don’t want, the moons are buying up, the Kazakhs are mainly engaged in agriculture, talked with one parent, it’s better to let the sheep graze. And so we have a lot of Kazakhs, Issyk-Kul region, the Kazakhs went there during the famine, and stayed there, the program was opened for you to relocate the Kazakhs with the lifting ones, took the denyushka trip and went back to their homeland. In general, only those who do not have money in the amount of 500-1000 dollars are a paradox.
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 12 May 2013 08: 36 New
                  +1
                  I think people of a non-titular nation should be twice as loyal to their state as the titular nation, and this fully applies to the Kazakhs in Kyrgyzstan. And if there is a slope from the army, it’s very bad for the state to work with a public “flogging” because the army is mowing from the pillars of the state, and a conscious slope from the army should be punished as an attempt on the foundations of the state and not as petty prank. On the contrary, we pay military commissars to get into the army, now it has come to the point of opening courses where, for the money of the draftees themselves, they will undergo short-term military training with further enrollment in the reserve and a periodic appeal for retraining. Well, the fact that the Kazakhs returned to their homeland by taking lifting ones (although the homeland is ugly but still the homeland). In Kazakhstan, the program is being adjusted so that this does not happen again, and so the Kazakhs in Kyrgyzstan are good this is a thread that along with other threads connect our peoples and the money that they took to Kyrgyzstan should be considered as an investment and in the interests of Kazakhstan in Kyrgyzstan. With the submission of admins, I propose to stop calling each other cattle because since you started this business the first ball on your side, I closed this business.
                  1. tm70-71
                    tm70-71 12 May 2013 10: 45 New
                    0
                    I also closed it, but I would not call all the Slavs mowing down from the army, the Caucasians are going to the Ross.armia, but they have their own gesheft, I don’t want to equalize everyone, I served with them, I know there are so many troubles with them. This he is forbidden, it is forbidden to him. For me, where there are more than three of them in the platoon, srach and problems begin there. The Slavs serve in our army. My son has 25 wars in the platoon, three Slavs, and they themselves expressed a desire to serve. So, it’s not bad tell me tales about mowing down. The meritorious son will never go to serve, an example is the friends of the Tsairnaevs.
                    1. Marek Rozny
                      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 21: 00 New
                      +2
                      In Kazakhstan, really Russians most often try to slope away from the army. Like, there’s nothing to do there, I don’t owe anything to the state, I need to earn money, etc. And those Russians who all the same went into the army, and then have a good command of the state language and have a green light for the civil service.
                      Although there are no statistics on the number of Slavs / Turks in the Kazakhstani armed forces, it is visually clear that 90% of the Kazakh army consists of Kazakhs, although Russians from among the “disadvantaged and offended” often remind us that almost half of the Slavs / Russian speakers in the country. Judging by the barracks, only Kazakhs live in Kazakhstan))))
                      Moreover, in Kazakhstan there is no restriction for non-Kazakhs to serve in Republican Guardalthough in Russia in Kremlin regiment the road "non-Russians" is ordered.
                      I do not know how Kyrgyz Kazakhs relate to service in the Kyrgyz army, but in Russia, Kazakhs willingly go to military service without any excuses. There are few unlucky Russian Kazakhs. Moreover, among Russian Kazakhs, the percentage of those who served is more than in Kazakhstan.
                      In Astrakhan there is a monument to the dead Astrakhan who died in Afghanistan and Chechnya. Slightly less than half of the names are Kazakh, Nogai and Tatar. Several Kazakhs received the Golden Stars of Heroes of Russia for Chechnya (among them the legendary helicopter pilot Kayyrgeldy Maidanov, who had previously been named Hero of the Soviet Union), hundreds were awarded the Order of Courage, and thousands were awarded medals. Among the dead Pskov paratroopers were three Kazakhs, etc. But Russians really often mow down from the army, both in Russia and in the CIS republics. And this is no secret to anyone.
  30. tm70-71
    tm70-71 11 May 2013 19: 26 New
    +7
    Kazakhs five points !!!! I looked excitedly! There are moments that have distorted, but the most important thing that I liked is the coherence of the RADIUS OF TROOPS, GO OFF !!! This is not just a combat parade, this is a combat show, this is not just five, this is five plus.
  31. Kazbek
    Kazbek 11 May 2013 19: 36 New
    +8
    Simple Kazakh in the same conditions as Russian, everything is decided by the blat and not nationality.
  32. R1a1
    R1a1 11 May 2013 19: 59 New
    +1
    And does anyone know how the case of the Russian Vladislav Chelakh, who served in Kazakhstan, who was accused of killing 14 colleagues and the huntsman, ended. Boyars and ours and Kazakhs leaked it, like a duck in a hospital. It's a shame. An ordinary Russian guy went to the distribution ....
    Boyars. Drug trafficking is powerful there. So powerful that many have never dreamed of. We can’t handle it yet. Cover up media is our friendship. Friendship is friendship, but the real situation is terrible.
    ? Google it.
    Kazakhs are of course brothers and all that, Genghis Khan is certainly cool, etc., they are moving him now. But not so simple!
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 11 May 2013 20: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: R1a1
      And does anyone know how the case of the Russian Vladislav Chelakh, who served in Kazakhstan, who was accused of killing 14 colleagues and the huntsman, ended.
      Boyars. Drug trafficking is powerful there. So powerful that many have never dreamed of. We can’t handle it yet. Cover up media is our friendship. Friendship is friendship, but the real situation is terrible.
      ? Google it.
      Kazakhs are of course brothers and all that, Genghis Khan is certainly cool, etc., they are moving him now. But not so simple!

      This is definitely not so simple. We are urging Chelakh to let go, to close drug trafficking, to shut down the media, to shut Genghis Khan and to declare for a snack that the Kazakhs are not brothers at all but foundlings. If this is not the whole list, I ask you to announce the entire list of claims to avoid further not speculation.
      1. R1a1
        R1a1 11 May 2013 20: 24 New
        0
        http://camonitor.com/archives/4312

        Infa must be accessible and open. It is clear that not all.
        And in the interests of Russia - no options! BUT!!!
        Who can explain why we are leaving Baikanur abruptly?
        I know the answer. I want to listen to the Gogol.
        Maybe we, the Slavs, should behave a little differently for a long time?
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 21: 18 New
      +2
      Well, firstly, Chelakh is the same ethnic Russian as Ceausescu - Kyrgyz.
      Secondly, Chelakh's guilt in many episodes has been proven ironically and elementarily. Even if the sleeping fighters were killed not by the awake Chelakh, but by aliens, then Chelakh had to fight these Martians, as a soldier should, well, or at least report to us that we were attacked by the half-eyed green men. But what did the Chelas do? After the “battle with the Martians,” he collected all the valuables from the fallen soldiers (laptop, digital camera, hundredths and the officer’s gold ring), burned the bodies and fled. And he didn’t run towards the next post, but rather away from them. And he was hiding from ours, who were searching for the missing soldier (then they did not know who was still alive, but it was clear that one "corpse" was not enough on the battlefield with the Martians).
      How do you rate the fighting qualities of this soldier? Is he worthy of a high award or is he an ordinary criminal and a banal deserter-marauder?
      Thirdly, there is no stupid drug trafficking in those places. Stop talking nonsense. This is the border with China, not with Kyrgyzstan. And there are not even any lines of communication with a neighboring country. Fuck what a mythical drug dealer from China (where, incidentally, the death penalty is due to drug traffickers) with a bag of dope will trample through these mountains to Kazakhstan. Drugs are brought from Tajikistan (synthetic drugs - from the territory of Russia, by the way), and not from China. There is no smuggling through these mountains of industrial goods either. This is silly. No truck can drive there. It is much easier to smuggle through Kyrgyzstan from China to Kazakhstan than to climb over the rocks with a bag on foot.
      And most importantly, where does it? Do you just want hi-wai nats.teme want to arrange? Love Chelakh - love him so that no one sees. This is your intimate affair. Chikatilo is also an "ordinary Russian guy." And Evsyukov, too, probably just "went to the distribution" ...
  33. takeshi
    takeshi 11 May 2013 20: 46 New
    +5
    Whatever happens, no matter how positive changes are shown, there will always be people who know better how to do it.
    In Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan.
    One negative. Where are the words of support?
    Why don’t we love our Motherland?
    There is enough negative, but there are positive changes.
  34. ak orda
    ak orda 11 May 2013 20: 50 New
    +8
    Disappointed in the article. Not in the parade itself, but in the title of the article. As if we are a backward country. We are far from the Russian army, but we are not striving for this, the most important thing for us is to have a professional army ready to ensure the country's security. Moreover, given the fact that the United States is leaving Afghanistan, it forces us to pay close attention to the combat readiness of the army. I take this opportunity to thank Russia for cooperation in the field of military equipment! Russian weapons are the best in the world!
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  36. R1a1
    R1a1 11 May 2013 20: 55 New
    0
    Quote: R1a1
    http://camonitor.com/archives/4312

    Infa must be accessible and open. It is clear that not all.
    And in the interests of Russia - no options! BUT!!!
    Who can explain why we are abruptly leaving Baikonur?
    Do you know the investment figures in Baikonur?
    To store all the eggs in more than one basket is correct, but here it is different.
    I know the answer. I want to listen to Gogol with their third volume.
    Maybe we, the Slavs, should behave a little differently for a long time?
  37. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 13 May 2013 15: 52 New
    +1
    I’m very happy for the parade, I hope to watch it a bit - I’ve already looked at it - it’s infuriated that they don’t even know how to walk - they put their hands to the sides, not back.
    I wanted to put a minus on the article, but talk about corruption is very sensible - so that's a plus.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 May 2013 21: 29 New
      +2
      The topic of corruption is a win-win in any country in the world. This is and was in the countries of the West and the East, in cap.countries and in social.countries. And even in the kindergartens of the USSR, cooks stole porridge from the boiler, and at the construction site the foreman gave a commission bribe to turn a blind eye to the glaring quality of the masonry with the diluted solution. I'm not talking about what benefits the nomenclature had and in what way scarce goods were available to them. Any mediocre, stupid and simply crude article can turn into a “sensible” article if the author writes the sacramental: “They steal!”