"Igla" and "Ellipsis." The anti-drone issue isn't settled yet.

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"Igla" and "Ellipsis." The anti-drone issue isn't settled yet.

Recently, the Rostec State Corporation has literally burst into the information field with several the news and they all touch on such a pressing topic as the fight against small drones, primarily with first-person control.

The first news item concerned multi-bullet assault rifle and rifle ammunition. Evaluation trials of the 5,45mm assault rifle and 7,62mm rifle/machine gun anti-drone cartridges (SC-226 and SC-228) were successfully completed at the Russian Ministry of Defense's testing ground. Both cartridges have a similar design, namely, three-element bullets developed at the Tula TsKIB SOO.




SC-226 cartridges

In early 2024, the first batch of 7,62mm SC-228 rifle cartridges with a three-element bullet was manufactured. The ammunition's ballistics were tested at the firing range, and the optimal propellant charge was selected. Work on the 5,45mm cartridge began simultaneously. While the rifle cartridge is intended, first and foremost, to complement the ammunition stock of mobile fire teams fighting drones, the assault rifle cartridge is a "personal weapon." Defense" each fighter.


Information on the latest ammunition is extremely scarce, despite the fact that the SC-226 is already undergoing trial operation in the SVO zone. There are very few publicly available photos of cross-sections of the cartridges that would provide an idea of ​​the bullet's design.

When developing the assault rifle cartridge, Tula gunsmiths initially considered the need for the special ammunition to be used on assault rifles with various muzzle devices. Simply put, the anti-drone ammunition had to work on assault rifles with silencers without damaging them. And the gunsmiths more than accomplished their goal. At the firing range, invited journalists conducted demonstration firings of SC-226 rounds at a drone. The Kalashnikov Series 12 assault rifle used to fire the anti-drone rounds was equipped with a closed-muzzle device.


A close-up of the SC-226 cartridge

It's claimed that TsKIB SOO specialists ensured that the SC-226 and SC-228 cartridges maintained acceptable ballistics during their initial trajectory and acceptable penetration against typical targets at close range. Why? Well, it's obvious: the ammunition must have some versatility. To put it simply, in an emergency, it should be possible to fire it at an opponent wearing body armor. In theory, such cartridges could act as a kind of "trench broom," since a multi-bullet cartridge in the same trench could (again, theoretically) simultaneously engage several elements of the enemy at a given range.


A Kalashnikov machine gun belt loaded with, among other things, SC-228 cartridges.

The 5,45mm x 39mm SC-226 cartridge is claimed to fire at ranges of up to 150 meters, while the 7,62mm x 54mm SC-228 cartridge can fire at ranges of up to 300 meters. The effectiveness of these specialized rounds against small aerial targets is claimed to be significantly higher than that of standard ammunition. For example, the SC-228 is 250% (2,5 times) more effective than standard ammunition at ranges of up to 300 meters. Similar impressive figures are claimed for the SC-226. No confirmation has been provided, and no one has seen test data. Moreover, during the presentation to journalists, fire was conducted from a distance of 65 meters. However, this is most likely due to the nature of the presentation itself – at a greater distance, the target and impact would have been less visible.


A still from a video demonstration of SC-226 cartridges in action for journalists at a firing range. Cartridges in the assault rifle magazine.

Work on developing ammunition at TsKIB SOO began back in 2023. It was a proactive project by Tula gunsmiths. It should be noted that they weren't the only ones working on a similar cartridge. Tekhkrim CJSC has already presented its developments. However, while Tekhkrim's rifle-caliber ammunition is similar in concept to the Tula-made ammunition, the execution differs greatly. Essentially, Tekhkrim didn't create a multi-element bullet; rather, it placed two bullets in the cartridge, one of which was slightly shortened. With assault rifle ammunition story completely different: in fact, instead of a bullet, the 5,45 x 39 cartridge contains a container with shot.


A still from a video presentation of special ammunition by Rostec. This assault rifle, using SC-226 rounds, hit a drone at a range of 65 meters. It's clearly visible that the rifle is equipped with a "silencer."

The very idea of ​​multi-bullet cartridges isn't new. Such ammunition was even used in the USSR—the 12.7x108/1SL "Teoretik" round, adopted in 1984. It was intended for YakB-12.7 machine guns and was intended primarily for use by helicopter pilots. But the idea didn't work out. The firing range was reduced, the ballistics changed, so the onboard sighting equipment had to be reprogrammed each time the Teoretik was used. Besides, there were no targets that required a direct hit with 12.7 bullets. Furthermore, the Nursas performed better than the machine gun against unusual, large, and grouped targets.


Another newsworthy development was specialized anti-drone shotgun cartridges for shotguns. The ammunition in question is the IGLA series. A report on the training of soldiers to counter UAVs mentioned the high effectiveness of these cartridges against aerial targets.

Rostec presented 12/76 IGLA anti-drone cartridges at the ORELEXPO exhibition in Moscow back in 2024. The developer is JSC Federal Scientific and Production Center Research Institute of Applied Chemistry, a Rostec subsidiary.


The full range of IGLA series cartridges

The IGLA series of ammunition is represented by a whole line of cartridges, namely:
- IGLA LEX 30;
- IGLA LEX 50;
- IGLA LEX 100;
- IGLA LEX Tracer 50.

In fact, the name itself "encodes" the ammunition's main characteristics, namely, the maximum effective range for engaging aerial targets. The LEX 30 is a containerless variant, with pellets dispersing immediately after leaving the barrel, and a stated maximum range of 30 meters. Next comes the containerized version, the LEX 50, with a correspondingly longer range of 50 meters.

Of particular interest are the LEX 100 and LEX Tracer 50 cartridges. Their stated ranges against aerial targets are 100 and 50 meters, respectively, which is already quite impressive. According to the developers, the 100-meter range is achieved by using a special pellet made from an unspecified alloy, which allows the pellets to maintain their lethal force against plastic and carbon at such a considerable distance. Furthermore, as the name suggests, the LEX Tracer 50 cartridge contains tracer elements, which is extremely useful for highlighting targets for other soldiers, especially in low visibility and twilight conditions.


A close-up of IGLA cartridges

A big advantage of ammunition is its accessibility in terms of understanding its capabilities and characteristics. You don't have to remember which shotgun pellets, with or without a container, will fly at what distance. Everything is clear and understandable. First, load a 100-caliber round into the chamber, then a second one into the magazine, then a 50-caliber round, since the drone is flying toward us, then a 30-caliber round, and so on. Here, perhaps, the biggest question remains: how and who will supply this ammunition? After all, the huge number of shotguns in the SVO zone is the private initiative of unit commanders and even individual soldiers. This is not standard equipment. weapon, not centrally supplied with ammunition. Will such drone fighters receive specialized ammunition?


It remains an open question whether special anti-drone ammunition will be issued to soldiers who have acquired shotguns on their own or with the assistance of volunteers.

Be that as it may, none of this is truly new. Shotgun shells were introduced back in 2024 and are reportedly already being supplied to the Russian Ministry of Defense and issued in the Central Military District, while the SC-226 underwent military trials last year. And, as we can see now, the availability of these rounds has had no impact on the overall situation.

But the issue isn't the properties of the state-owned ammunition itself; it's the deployment of it to the troops. Until it truly becomes widespread, all talk of its effectiveness will remain just that—talk. Secondly, training in the use of such ammunition, especially the "Mnogotochie," is essential. And there are objective problems here—essentially, this is a completely new, unique type of ammunition designed to address challenges the army simply didn't face before 2022.

Multi-bullet cartridges, and especially regular shotgun shells, albeit specially designed, will not and cannot be an absolute panacea. However, let's hope that distributing them to units in the SVO zone will help alleviate the problem of countering small drones.
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  1. +1
    23 February 2026 06: 18
    The Americans tried multi-bullet systems to suppress everyone on the shore with fire during landings.
    Around the 50s-60s.
    But for a number of reasons it didn't go mainstream.
    There was something like that in the Union too, as is correctly stated in the article.
    1. +2
      24 February 2026 03: 23
      This article is completely pointless! 50 meters from a shotgun? That's the maximum range; the real thing is 35 meters! I'll just keep quiet about the 100-meter range, because there's nothing else to say except curse words! Even if you take a magnum (76 mm) and bound buckshot loaded with flour, the effective range is about 50 meters! Although with plastic, it might be longer, but not by much!
      1. +3
        24 February 2026 03: 41
        I remembered 1985, when we were shooting a PM pistol at a distance of 25 meters. A lot of officers were in the flight unit. Target shooting was boring! And then one of us hung his watch on the target—a shot equals a ruble! So, he took his watch and half his cap—a ruble!
  2. 0
    23 February 2026 06: 37
    It's clear that the search for effective solutions to defend against small drones on the battlefield will continue, but for now, something is better than nothing at all. And as always, what's needed in the field, as much as needed, when needed!!! soldier
  3. -1
    23 February 2026 06: 40
    Practice and combat use will demonstrate the value of these cartridges. In addition to long-barreled shotguns, there are also short, pistol-length barrels; these were produced sparingly for self-defense. They can be suitable for close-range or ultra-close-range combat against UAV attacks.
    1. +2
      23 February 2026 07: 35
      Quote: V.
      with a short, almost pistol-sized barrel

      Quote: V.
      They may be suitable

      Well, in general they can't.
      It's like shooting sparrows with a grenade launcher.
      Even if you load pellets there, it will look strange; there is little energy.

      By the way, if the under-barrel grenade launcher fires shots, it will most likely be better: more shot, still lighter, and you can load a grenade.
      It would be good if every fighter had an under-barrel grenade launcher.
      1. 0
        23 February 2026 13: 53
        There were no problems at all with the GP-25, but many people don’t want to attach this thing to their machine gun.
        1. 0
          23 February 2026 14: 24
          Quote: dnestr74
          There were no problems at all with the GP-25


          So what's the problem with pouring buckshot there (into the shots aimed at it)?

          Quote: dnestr74
          but many don't want to install this thing on the machine

          What's their problem?
          In theory, on the contrary, the grenade launcher should actually squeal.
          1. +1
            23 February 2026 14: 28
            weight, accuracy drops, standard shots are so-so, although the VOG-25 P is not bad
            1. 0
              23 February 2026 14: 30
              Quote: dnestr74
              the weight

              Fact.

              Quote: dnestr74
              accuracy drops,


              Doesn't increasing the weight of the weapon increase it?
              Or does the center of mass shift?

              Quote: dnestr74
              The standard shots are so-so, although the VOG-25 P is not bad


              Well, it's better than throwing a grenade, for example, the range...
              1. +2
                23 February 2026 14: 36
                At close range, the fuse would sometimes not arm; it takes a lot of practice to hit the overhead projectile.
                When a loaded GP-25 hangs at the end of the barrel, it is very problematic to hold it in the air.
          2. +1
            23 February 2026 22: 15
            Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
            So what's the problem with pouring buckshot there (into the shots aimed at it)?

            You can fall asleep, but you still need to aim. The GP has low flatness. You need practical shooting skill to hit the target, but where can you get that?
        2. 0
          23 February 2026 16: 03
          Quote: dnestr74
          There were no problems at all with the GP-25, but many people don’t want to attach this thing to their machine gun.


          It seems that underbarrel shotguns exist.
          1. +1
            23 February 2026 18: 35
            I didn't live long ago, maybe they still have it now, the Yusovs definitely have it, but ours haven't brought this device into serial production, as far as I know.
    2. +2
      23 February 2026 08: 11
      "...they won't and can't be a panacea. But let's hope..."
      Quote: V.
      Practice and combat use will show the value of these cartridges.

      That's right!
      They will certainly make their contribution to the fight against drones.
      And eliminating the threat to the extent of eliminating the possibility of disruption of operations through the use of "birds" requires, as has been said many times, a comprehensive approach.
      Electronic warfare, microwave, laser, small anti-tank missiles, powerful canisters on KAZ-type vehicles, and reconnaissance and crew-killing systems are all essential in the battle formations of both troops and infrastructure defense forces.
  4. 0
    23 February 2026 06: 40
    Is it depleted uranium?
  5. +3
    23 February 2026 06: 54
    It's all bullshit. Special ammunition is unnecessary because even the most multi-bullet rounds are far inferior to shot. And any FPV can handle the lethality of any shot. So, the only option is a smoothbore.
    And it would be smart to hand out some kind of tulkas to border residents, but our authorities, terrified of the very idea of ​​people having weapons, will never do that! There will be incidents, they say. There will be, no problem! But you already have weapons in the border area, only the enemy, not your compatriots! Although it would be better to resettle them from the combat zone altogether.
    As for large UAVs, everything has been thought out for a long time - MZA and VNOS, everyone has a phone now, VNOS, if you want to do it, is a task for a day.
    And the special BB is complete... The ballistics are terrible, especially with two DIFFERENT bullets, and the hit rate, considering that two bullets, isn't even the same as nine pellets at a boar... And people need to be taught how to shoot, otherwise even the cops won't hit their skulls with a Makarov. But this is again pure panic, "How can the people have a Tag, a gun!!!" Ugh, *** and ***! And even *************************************************
    1. +7
      23 February 2026 07: 29
      And we still need to teach people to shoot.

      Yeah, there are no shooting ranges, but try to poke holes in paper in a field without a license... they'll tear you apart and you'll be left without your precious hardware.
    2. -3
      23 February 2026 07: 38
      Quote: Foggy Dew
      And it would be smart to give out some kind of tulkas to the border residents,

      Even licensed hunters will occasionally fire into the bushes, "There's probably a moose there," or without thinking where the bullet will fly if they miss, and then end up in jail for murder.
      Not to mention "getting drunk and starting shooting."

      And here there will be those who have never held a weapon at all.

      By the way, there are conscripts for this.
      At least they are controlled.
      1. -2
        23 February 2026 07: 47
        But conscripts won't fire!!! And once they're "unscrewed," they immediately forget how to shoot. When they're discharged, they hand over their shooting skills to the supply room... You already have a ton of explosive garbage flying around, and even if one of them gets shot down, it's still less damage than firing shotgun pellets into the air.
        1. +4
          23 February 2026 19: 50
          In Israel, by the way, conscripts go home on leave with combat weapons and ammunition. And there are no shootouts or skirmishes in this contingent, but here, with a soldier carrying a bayonet or a knife, it's a real horror.
      2. 0
        24 February 2026 15: 17

        Even licensed hunters will occasionally fire into the bushes, "There's probably a moose there," or without thinking where the bullet will fly if they miss, and then end up in jail for murder.

        Judge by yourself?
        1. 0
          24 February 2026 15: 46
          Quote: bk316
          Judge by yourself?

          According to the news.
          Only once every couple of years in my region there are some idiots.
          Why are you so excited? Are you a bad hunter too? (Joke)
          1. 0
            25 February 2026 11: 58
            Why are you so excited?

            I've met such shooters. And every time it turned out they were just out shooting for the first time.
            And every time they were kicked out, they asked, just like you
            Why are you so excited?
            1. 0
              25 February 2026 12: 20
              Quote: bk316
              I've met such shooters. And every time it turned out they were just out shooting for the first time.

              But they had a license.
              What's wrong?

              Formally, they are more trained than ordinary citizens from the street.
              And here it is.
              1. 0
                25 February 2026 16: 26
                But they had a license.
                What's wrong?

                She should be immediately taken away for such jokes.
                1. 0
                  26 February 2026 07: 22
                  Quote: bk316
                  She should be immediately taken away for such jokes.

                  I would also spank and plant.

                  But I meant something else.
                  If those who have undergone some kind of (we all know how it is) psychiatrist, drug addiction specialist and training in what is allowed and what is not - screw up so much, then it is obvious that those who are not filtered at all can surprise (or may not surprise, however) with even greater screw-ups.
    3. 0
      2 March 2026 12: 43
      Tellingly, under Comrade Stalin, smoothbore guns were a common sight among the masses. Young soldiers carried guns from the age of 14 and earlier. They trained on saboteurs of the national economy (crows, etc.), and were given ammo for those who surrendered their paws. Moreover, for domestic crimes, the standard kitchen knife remained the primary weapon. Where is all this? The question, of course, is rhetorical. We have rich and poor again. And the rich don't need the poor with guns. If something happens, even automatic weapons won't save them. They'll be crushed by the masses.
  6. +4
    23 February 2026 07: 53
    While the military-industrial complex is getting ready, the fighters in the SVO are already "riding"! The idea of ​​"buckshot in a heat-shrinkable shell" has probably already spread "all over the world"! Some private enterprises in the DPR are ordering shotgun shells for Kalashnikov assault rifles, like "buckshot in a plastic container." The fighters themselves are loading the "twelfth" shells with shot, including "bonded" shot, of the required caliber! Once again, the wisdom of the "Peculiarities of the National Hunt" is in effect... "If you want to live, you'll have to spread yourself even further!" Where do they get the shot? Some make it, some buy it...
  7. +3
    23 February 2026 08: 25
    This article is "underpriced"! If the author decided to "analyze" the state of the individual anti-drone weapons of the SVO fighters, then having said A, he must also say B! There's only A here... There's no mention of the original "twelfth" Tekhkrim rounds, loaded with six Kevlar-bonded "elements"... There's no information about barrel attachments like the "Dronoboy" and "Setkomyot" muzzle brakes (they're manufactured by BRT and sold to fighters in the SVO). And there are reports about the development and testing of some "product 545", fired from a "regular" small arms (it's just not clear how... from a muzzle brake-type attachment or like a NATO rifle grenade...) Or a "fresh" report about some "Drone Buster" krenov, fired like a rifle grenade... And finally, a mention of the Chelyabinsk "last chance" munition (50 m) with homing "Glukhar"!
    1. 0
      23 February 2026 08: 42
      There is no information about barrel attachments such as the "Dronoboy" and "Setkomyot" muzzle brakes (they are produced by BRT and sold to soldiers in the North-Eastern Military District).

      ...I hope this ammunition is sold inexpensively? :))))
      1. +1
        23 February 2026 08: 55
        Quote: Chack Wessel
        ...I hope this ammunition is sold inexpensively? :))))

        I haven't looked at the price yet! No. I'm afraid of fakes! stop
        1. 0
          23 February 2026 13: 26
          ...Listen, maybe we should make the entire army self-sufficient? :)
          1. +2
            23 February 2026 13: 33
            So what?! There is a precedent in history - the Middle Ages!
          2. 0
            23 February 2026 13: 56
            We often have to take large cities and give them to the soldiers for three days (joke)
            1. 0
              24 February 2026 06: 15
              Quote: dnestr74
              We often have to take large cities and give them to the soldiers for three days (joke)

              ...Alas. In a modern war, all that's left of a city is a pile of gravel and charred boards... ...Sometimes small construction debris left over from demolished houses—crushed brick and concrete—is used for road surfacing and other construction projects. Back in Stolbovaya (40 km from Moscow), the vendors called this waste "gravel from Bakhmut"... They're real comedians.
          3. -1
            23 February 2026 16: 01
            Quote: Chack Wessel
            ...Listen, maybe we should make the entire army self-sufficient? :)


            Hypothetically

            It would be interesting to experiment with a way for part of the Defense Ministry budget for procurement for the SVO to be distributed among the rank and file.

            But then the market (which was initially presented when developing the union) would have resolved positively.
            1. 0
              24 February 2026 11: 21
              Quote: Ing Mech
              Quote: Chack Wessel
              ...Listen, maybe we should make the entire army self-sufficient? :)


              Hypothetically

              It would be interesting to experiment with a way for part of the Defense Ministry budget for procurement for the SVO to be distributed among the rank and file.

              But then the market (which was initially presented when developing the union) would have resolved positively.


              Now this is extremism!
              :)
              1. +1
                24 February 2026 13: 49
                Quote: Chack Wessel
                Quote: Ing Mech
                Quote: Chack Wessel
                ...Listen, maybe we should make the entire army self-sufficient? :)


                Hypothetically

                It would be interesting to experiment with a way for part of the Defense Ministry budget for procurement for the SVO to be distributed among the rank and file.

                But then the market (which was initially presented when developing the union) would have resolved positively.


                Now this is extremism!
                :)


                No, not extreme, the entire budget

                Just a part

                That is, this is opportunism in the form of reasonable particularism.
      2. BAI
        0
        23 February 2026 13: 58
        I hope this ammunition is sold inexpensively? :))))

        They are not and will not be on sale.
        1. +1
          23 February 2026 17: 08
          Hunters have been making "tied buckshot" themselves for a long time now.
          1. +2
            23 February 2026 21: 17
            Quote: Chack Wessel
            Hunters have been making "tied buckshot" themselves for a long time now.

            Well, even at SVO the fighters do it themselves!
            1. -1
              24 February 2026 06: 10
              That's what the speech is about...
              ...I remember an article on Zen that talked about a breakthrough technology unparalleled anywhere else—the production of ammunition for countering UAVs. And that article was specifically about ammunition with bound buckshot. The article, of course, didn't mention that hunters had probably been using this ammunition since the advent of firearms, and that sailors used it to fire at masts during the days of sail... What a wonder weapon. The funniest thing is that this ammunition appeared in the third year of the SVO war. A year was spent binding buckshot, a year pouring gunpowder, a year stuffing it all into the cartridge case.
  8. 0
    23 February 2026 08: 33
    Based on the above, I believe that a transition to 7,62-39 is possible. As Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov said, the capabilities of 7,62-39 have not yet been fully realized. A three-element universal cartridge with good striking energy has already been made; we are waiting for developments.
    1. +1
      24 February 2026 00: 54
      The "multi-bullet" cartridge type (7,62x39) mm was a 2-bullet cartridge... appeared in 1955. According to its characteristics, it is quite suitable for use as an "anti-drone"...
  9. 0
    23 February 2026 09: 14
    First, a hundred into the chamber, then a second into the magazine, then a fifty, since the drone is flying at us, then a thirty.

    This is exactly what I've been suggesting here repeatedly since 2023! I'm not insisting on authorship; the idea is obvious, but it's still nice... I'd be interested to see what happens.
    1. -5
      23 February 2026 12: 26
      The only thing you'll remember here is that you did your best to prevent the emergence of anti-drone shotguns.
      1. +2
        23 February 2026 12: 30
        You have a strange memory... It's a lie, though. Have you tried treatment?
        1. -5
          23 February 2026 12: 34
          All moves are recorded here.
          1. +2
            23 February 2026 12: 38
            So, tell me, what's the problem? No need to lie – I said shotgun shells are pointless in a short shotgun. Some smart aleck like you suggested making it into something like an underbarrel grenade launcher. The only real point is using something like a Murka. And that's exactly what you need with those kinds of shells, plus an extended magazine.
          2. +1
            23 February 2026 12: 47
            For example, here is my comment to this article https://topwar.ru/241123-specializirovannye-zrk-i-zur-dlja-borby-s-bpla.html Almost two years ago.

            For now - as a temporary solution, I would suggest the following. Take Murka with a 750 barrel. It’s much more convenient, even though it’s a hefty oar. And load with different cartridges. For example, the first one is in a container that opens to a hundred meters. These are already on sale. Next - at 70. Then - the usual at 50. Well, and lastly - just buckshot without a container. Thus, when shooting, you can create a field of grapeshot at different distances, at least something will hit..

            If you screw an extended magazine onto Murka, you will get two cartridges of each type one after the other. It seems to me that the probability of being shot down in this situation will be significantly higher..

            Are you ready to admit that you are a liar?
            1. -3
              23 February 2026 12: 49
              This is when you have already been caught obstructing the arming of shotguns for protection against drones.
            2. -1
              23 February 2026 12: 55
              Here, they went out of their way to prove with all their might that shotguns were useless.
              https://topwar.ru/190960-iz-pushki-po-vorobjam-vernut-li-mikro-bpla-drobovik-na-pole-boja.html

              Interestingly - the author himself tried to shoot from the Boar, for example, at the stand? The occupation is very philosophical. Offhand from a fool of 5 kg ... And this despite the fact that you know the direction in advance. Something I doubt very much that from a shotgun - you can effectively shoot back from small dirty tricks attacking you from all sides ..

              Shooting from the classics is a completely different matter - a different balance, and weight. Plus - it has a long trunk, not less than 710. And Boar and Saiga have a maximum of 520, like mine. And even shorter. For long-range shot shooting, this is a very big drawback. I don't think it's a good idea to equip soldiers with a Murka-type oar .. Plus - the weight of the wearable cartridges, after all, they are 12 gauge and not a fig ..
              1. +1
                24 February 2026 23: 49
                So, where did I go wrong here? Have you even held a slingshot? Let alone practiced clay pigeon shooting? No way—otherwise you'd understand that this art requires skill. Which you can't acquire in a month. And lugging a paddle around is quite the pleasure. So, a smoothbore anti-drone weapon is a temporary fix, nothing more. Now tell me I'm wrong!

                But if there's no other way, then do as I suggested. And as we can see, the cartridges are made exactly like this! Because anyone with experience with buckshot understands this without question.

                So, you are a liar after all...
  10. +1
    23 February 2026 10: 03
    Once the ammunition is widely distributed among the troops, there will be feedback on its effectiveness, but right now we can only rely on advertising from the manufacturer.
    You have not been active as a commentator for a long time (write comments). Voting is prohibited.
  11. -1
    23 February 2026 12: 03
    [quote][The IGLA series ammunition is represented by a whole line of cartridges, namely:
    - IGLA LEX 30;
    - IGLA LEX 50;
    - IGLA LEX 100;
    - IGLA LEX Tracer 50.quote]
    I have some vague doubts about the effectiveness of the cartridges at the stated range. I regularly shoot clay pigeons and imagine that anything beyond 25 meters is a gamble, but this is 100 meters. Buckshot is maxed out at 50 meters. And the multi-shot is the same story...
    1. 0
      23 February 2026 13: 03
      What would you suggest if you spot an enemy drone in close proximity?
      1. Owl
        0
        23 February 2026 13: 23
        Open fire to hit the target.
      2. 0
        3 March 2026 17: 41
        You can shoot, but there is an ellipsis of BUT....
    2. BAI
      0
      23 February 2026 13: 55
      There's no doubt about it. They showed drones being shot at at a training ground on TV.
      1. 0
        3 March 2026 17: 44
        A drone flying around a training ground must be shot down. It's like shooting at a clay pigeon - easier at first, more difficult later. I just don't think it gets to the hard stuff... It's more likely a pass-fail.
    3. 0
      24 February 2026 15: 24
      I have vague doubts about the effectiveness of the cartridges at the stated distance,

      For me, the problem is not getting there.
      I went goose hunting this fall.
      The height is about 50 meters, exactly above the boat.
      He hit the target right away, the geese didn't even change their flight direction and didn't knock out a single feather.
      1. 0
        3 March 2026 17: 40
        50 meters is a long way for a goose... the same goes for a drone. I think the charge should detonate in close proximity to the drone.
  12. GMV
    0
    23 February 2026 12: 16
    I don't understand why we need to disclose the technology's essence when there's another, simpler, and much-needed way to prove its effectiveness. Maybe we should also send detailed documentation to the West to obtain a certificate of approval?
  13. Owl
    0
    23 February 2026 13: 22
    Only by saturating units with this ammunition will soldiers' lives be saved and will it be possible to improve the cartridge's performance.
  14. BAI
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    23 February 2026 13: 54
    There was a report on Zvezda about IGL cartridges. The results are good, but shooting at drones requires specialized training. Just picking up a cartridge and hitting it at 100 meters won't work.
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    23 February 2026 16: 23
    To prepare for shooting, you first need to detect the drone (hear and see it).

    I wonder if it's possible for some folks to make wearable early detection and drone targeting devices on their own.

    For example, in the form of microphones on a helmet connected to software on a phone.

    I read that one of the drone hunters made semi-homemade infrared glasses for himself.
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    23 February 2026 19: 30
    Practical application will tell the whole story. Combat is the ultimate evaluation criterion for military equipment.
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    23 February 2026 20: 02
    When you get something like a TOZ-34 with long barrels in your car's cabin...all you hear is curses. And yet, we've been supplying the US with Saiga-12 magazine-fed smoothbore semiautomatic shotguns since 2012...
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      2 March 2026 12: 34
      Moreover, this very Saiga (either the Exp 01 ISP 30 or the closely related Legion 040) can easily be converted to automatic fire if needed. It's ready for the next shot instantly, provided the round is suitable and there's enough for re-cocking. It can fire over large areas just as slowly as a cowboy from a spaghetti western. And those same guys made a drum magazine for it back in the '0s, holding almost 30 rounds—I can't remember right now. Wow, we could have had an argument for the last 30 meters.
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    24 February 2026 07: 03
    It might still be interesting to experiment with detachable underbarrel submachine guns in a universal multi-purpose design:

    And as an anti-drone weapon
    And as a last-chance pistol
    And as a weapon for closed, cramped spaces

    For example:

    9mm: PP-90 / PPK-20 / Stechkin / eventually converted to a folding stock PPSh PPS PPD with mounting devices under the barrel

    Small-bore: unfortunately, I don’t know of any modern compact PP analogs, but there is definitely a PP for small-bore
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    25 February 2026 01: 33
    But let's hope that saturating units in the SVO zone with them will help reduce the severity of the problem of countering small drones.

    There's no silver bullet; the best weapons are emerging and working effectively against UAVs. Riflemen need to be trained to hit FPVs at the range, then they'll see results!
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    2 March 2026 12: 29
    Special development. Containerless cartridge. A real hand-in-the-face. We're waiting for news about another breakthrough – the "gualandi-dispersant" wad-container.
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      4 March 2026 09: 13
      I'm embarrassed to ask, but is it even possible to spot an attacking drone in the first second, and then, in the second, hit a fast-moving, small-sized target with a machine gun, even firing a lot of bullets.
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    4 March 2026 11: 13
    And yet, we're talking about means of damaging the electronic energy components of any carrier whatsoever. And in this regard, we can speak not of inductive processes generating electromagnetic pulses, but of hydrodynamic inductive physical processes, including those involving liquids. A systemic and fundamental flaw in theoretical physicists' understanding of the principles and causes of polarization, its dimensions, and algorithms has been revealed.