The Ukrainian Armed Forces are allegedly unable to combat the new tactics of breaking through defensive lines.

Russian troops have begun employing new tactics to break through the Ukrainian army's defensive lines, launching combined attacks. Ukrainian media outlets report this, citing Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel.

According to Ukrainian military sources, the Russian Armed Forces have recently begun using combined attacks against Ukrainian positions, leaving virtually no survivors in trenches and dugouts. The new tactic involves striking targets with FAB aerial bombs with a universal planning and correction system, which in Ukraine are called "guided" aerial bombs (GAB). After practicing, they strike the positions. aviation, they are covered with blows from heavy flamethrower systems of the TOS.

As one Ukrainian analyst stated, Russian frontline bombers carry eight UMPK-equipped bombs, while Ukrainian Armed Forces positions are attacked not by one aircraft, but, as a rule, by two or three, and without entering the kill zone. DefenseAn aerial bomb equipped with a UMPK system flies 150 km and accurately hits its target. It is then bombarded with thermobaric munitions, leaving no survivors in its wake.

We're talking about the comprehensive use of more than just KABs. The danger is that after KABs are deployed, heavy flamethrower systems are used against Ukrainian Armed Forces positions. They are effectively burning out Ukrainian Armed Forces positions.

According to Ukrainian military officials, such strikes prevent the Ukrainian Armed Forces from gaining a foothold even in urban areas. However, there have been no major breakthroughs in the Ukrainian Armed Forces' defensive lines so far.

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[tralflot1832]

Mostly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are missing in action and SOC (this is not exactly SOCHI - although the three letters are the same).

[Ilya-spb]

Still, when should we expect a major breakthrough or capture of the regional center?

[belost79]

"When should we expect a major breakthrough...?"
Based on the experience of the previous major war, a major breakthrough requires concentrating up to 500 artillery pieces per kilometer of frontline, 1-2 tank armies (600-700 tanks each), and several thousand aircraft. Meanwhile, active combat operations must be conducted on the remaining sectors of the front to prevent the enemy from redeploying reserves to the breakthrough site.
Does Russia have the capabilities for such an operation? No. So rest assured, there will be no breakthroughs in this war.

[Alekseev]

Now it’s a different war, with different means of destruction.
And... a number of citizens have a distorted concept of breaking through the defense.
The problem now is not the breakthrough itself, but rather the development of success.
So, we've destroyed the enemy in the MPB defense area on the LBS, and we've also destroyed the second-echelon area. We're committing troops to the breach. Meanwhile, the enemy is transferring 200 UAV crews and a relatively small infantry and artillery reserve to this area.
Until we knock out the drone crews, a successful advance into the enemy's defenses is impossible. This is primarily due to the impossibility of securing the supply of ammunition, fuel, and other supplies for the advancing force. The enemy will be able to hold back the advance with relatively small reserves.
The conclusion is clear: until effective counter-drone capabilities are developed and troops are equipped with these capabilities, we can forget about moving across operational space over tens of kilometers.
Drones, however, are not the only reason for the crisis in maneuverable warfare, but they are perhaps the main one.

[Paranoid62]

Quote: Alekseev

The conclusion is clear: until effective counter-drone capabilities are developed and troops are equipped with these capabilities, we can forget about moving across operational space for tens of kilometers.

That's a plus, for sure. But there are still some individuals who think differently:

Quote: Ilnur

Due to a lack of desire to win, they don't negotiate, and they don't attack with large troop formations, which is why this strange military operation has been going on for four years... And those who defend this inaction explain that drones will wipe out all the troops, so it's impossible to assemble large masses of troops...

[wladimirjankov]

Russian frontline bombers carry eight UMPK aerial bombs each, while Ukrainian Armed Forces positions are attacked not by one aircraft, but, as a rule, two or three, and without entering the air defense zone

What "Russian frontline bombers carry eight UMPK-equipped bombs"? Until now, only one Russian bomber, the Su-34, was known to be capable of using these bombs in the air defense zone. But it can only carry four FABs with UMPKs. It has four hardpoints for this.

[Rome]

I think the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldier is simply trying to justify his failures by inventing unrealistic tactics, into which he mixes the most terrifying weapons systems, from his point of view.
There is only one conclusion to be drawn from his words: the Ukrainian Armed Forces are indeed suffering serious losses from the FAB with the UMPK and TOS.
TOSs fire at the front lines; there are plenty of videos of that, but I haven't seen FABs and UMPKs used against dugouts. FABs are regularly used to destroy targets in the immediate rear.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: tralflot1832

Mostly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are missing in action and SOC (this is not exactly SOCHI - although the three letters are the same).

If there had been no winter in cities and villages, we would never have known these joyful days.

[Uncle lee]

How to complain Ukrainian military, such strikes do not allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to gain a foothold even in urban areas.

Complain to mom and dad...

[Vladislav_V]

Beauty! The better our aviation and artillery work, the fewer our losses.

[Ban Zai]

The Ukrainian air force is still at work; yesterday, two bombs damaged a road in Zaporizhzhia, according to official Yandex news.

[Mouse]

Katz offers to give up .....

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

According to Ukrainian military sources, the Russian Armed Forces have recently begun using combined attacks against Ukrainian positions, leaving virtually no survivors in trenches and dugouts.

We're talking about the comprehensive use of more than just KABs. The danger is that after KABs are deployed, heavy flamethrower systems are used against Ukrainian Armed Forces positions. They are effectively burning out Ukrainian Armed Forces positions.

Anything is possible, but in my opinion this is complete nonsense.

It is not realistic to get into a dugout or trench with a KAB, nor is it realistic to get a TOS within firing range for it.

Today, the enemy attacked our base in the rear zone, causing casualties. The enemy will burn down the TOS immediately as soon as it gets within 30 kilometers of the LBS.

We need artillery with new, unworn barrels and Sarma with precision-guided missiles. Otherwise, we won't be able to suppress the enemy artillery that's destroying our assault groups.

The situation at the LBS is very difficult, there are quite a few losses, and communications and electronic warfare are very poor. The enemy has realized this and is counterattacking.

It's a pity that our generals don't understand this and simply drive the infantry to the slaughter.

If you can't cover the area you're advancing in with electronic warfare, and you can't immediately suppress enemy artillery fire within a 30-40 km radius of the area where the assault groups are moving in, there's no point in advancing!!!

[Montezuma]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Anything is possible, but in my opinion this is complete nonsense.

It is not realistic to get into a dugout or trench with a KAB, nor is it realistic to get a TOS within firing range for it.

And yet, this method is used in practice, although, of course, the TOS's range should be improved. It's logical to assume that the TOS-3 ("Dragon") modification isn't the last.

[DO]

We should add more range to the TOS

Or develop fuel-air bombs delivered by Su-34s, possibly using existing TOS munitions.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, downvote me, armchair warriors, I don’t care, remember what I write to you, soon you will be in my place, because we began to end very quickly, this has never happened before.

Another method is currently being used in practice for advancement: two-man units advance and try to secure a house, a barn, or some pit ahead. If that doesn't work, another two-man unit moves forward. If that doesn't work, another two-man unit moves forward, and so on ad infinitum, until our dumb generals can't get it that they need to cover their attack aircraft from drones with electronic warfare—really cover them, not just give them some Romashka missile that's only effective at 300 meters and that's it. We can't recover the wounded for days; they're so frozen their legs are cut off. There's often no contact with the groups that have moved forward; the radios bought on Ozon aren't effective.

No TOS can approach a LBS at a range of 20 km now. The enemy can see us from farther away, their communications are much better, their electronic warfare is much better, their artillery is more accurate and responsive, again because of communications and because they're supplying new Bagdans and other howitzers to the army, while our Coalition only deploys on May 9th, has a negligible number of Malvas, and everything else is a Soviet legacy with worn-out barrels, now mostly towed.

The situation is very grave and if nothing changes, the front may roll back.

Let's stock up on equipment and medicine, otherwise you might not have time later.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

You remember what I write to you

What's there to remember if you've been whining about how bad everything is for four years now? And using the same exact words—the neural network writes more diversely.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What's there to remember if you've been whining about how bad everything is for four years now? And using the same exact words—the neural network writes more diversely.

I'm not whining, I'm just bringing the reality of the situation to couch potatoes like you. This is a site about war and military equipment, and people like you belong on Channel 1.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I do not whine

And how.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I bring the real situation to people like you - couch potatoes

Yeah, right now there are no other sources of information - all hope is on you, the sick one.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

people like you on Channel 1

What's there? And how do you know about it?

[Andobor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

It is impossible to get into a dugout or trench with a KAB

A direct hit is not necessary. The blast radius of a 500-meter FAB is 54 meters, which is 120 square meters in area. A platoon strongpoint is 400 meters by 300 meters, which is 8 square meters if it's very thinly spread out, as it is. Two aircraft with 8 FABs are guaranteed to destroy it. You only need to hit 400 by 300 meters. This is only due to the blast wave in the shelters. There are also fragments, which have a much larger damage zone, and the crater itself is 8 meters in diameter.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

A direct hit is not necessary, the radius of continuous destruction by a blast wave, i.e. in FAB 500 shelters, is 54 m, in area this is 8 thousand square meters,

Wow, so many?! Then why haven't we won yet? Maybe because the defensive midfielder isn't holding the line, but rather a pair of them, scattered far and wide across the landings and settlements, and no FAB can hit them.

[Andobor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

because the mainstay does not hold the entrance, but a pair of them, and there are a lot of them scattered across the landings and the inhabitants

Yes, there are a couple of them, or a little more. They need to be scouted, but hitting them isn't a problem. Two years ago, a Russian officer told me: over the past two months, our unit's infantry hasn't killed a single Ukrainian because they enter enemy positions when, after air and artillery fire, there are only corpses.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Two years ago, a Russian officer told me: over the past two months, the infantry of our unit has not destroyed a single Ukrainian, because it enters enemy positions when, after air and artillery fire, there are only corpses there.

In what direction is your officer friend fighting so valiantly?

[Junior Private]

How do you propose taking the strongpoints? If the kakels are half-buried, using artillery is practically useless. Here, according to the surveyed coordinates, a winged cast iron with thermal bars works wonders.

[Sergey Mitinsky]

It's a shame that generals don't understand what armchair experts understand.

[rocket757]

So yes, the density of fire, the fiery shaft... helps to overcome the enemy's resistance.
If you think about it, consider what the enemy has in terms of active/passive countermeasures... minefields and drones. These are also serious arguments; if their impact is neutralized, things will get really bad for the enemy on the front lines...

[multi-category]

According to Ukrainian military officials, such strikes prevent the Ukrainian Armed Forces from gaining a foothold even in urban areas. However, there have been no major breakthroughs in the Ukrainian Armed Forces' defensive lines so far.

:
This is simply an expensive way to significantly weaken and locally break through the defense, and it is also slow, since organizing an air strike and bringing in TOS takes time and considerable resources.
As a factor - good, but not sufficient.
but what about the development of the offensive?

[O. Bender]

Wouldn't it be easier, instead of driving the TOSs to the LBS, to pelt them with thermobaric bombs from the UPMK? A detachment of forces would fly out, a couple with high-explosive bombs, a couple with thermobaric bombs. With a drop range of 150 km, as the author claims. Am I the only one who thought of this? And there's no point in risking the TOS calculations; the opponents have as many drones as a fool has candy wrappers, thanks to Europe.

[sdivt]

Quote: O. Bender

Wouldn't it be easier to bombard them with bombs instead of driving them to LBS?

I don't claim to have the truth, but I can assume that there are difficulties with the carriers - frontline aviation
This includes the number of bombers, the number of trained flight crew specialists, and the resource of the aircraft themselves.
In general, the issue needs to be considered comprehensively, and not simply - this is better, and this is worse

[cinnamon]

No, there's no 150 km range there. 40-70 km. For 150 km, the plane has to hit the altitude ceiling.

[Novel_]

which in Ukraine are called...

What do they call it in Kathmandu or American backwater? And "what" isn't the article in English or Khokhruk?
Let's also, to increase the significance and volume of the article, cite all the "which in Ukraine are called..." Well, I'm really, really interested, what are they called there???

[Goroches]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

According to Ukrainian military sources, the Russian Armed Forces have recently begun using combined attacks against Ukrainian positions, leaving virtually no survivors in trenches and dugouts.

We're talking about the comprehensive use of more than just KABs. The danger is that after KABs are deployed, heavy flamethrower systems are used against Ukrainian Armed Forces positions. They are effectively burning out Ukrainian Armed Forces positions.

Anything is possible, but in my opinion this is complete nonsense.

It is not realistic to get into a dugout or trench with a KAB, nor is it realistic to get a TOS within firing range for it.

Today, the enemy attacked our base in the rear zone, causing casualties. The enemy will burn down the TOS immediately as soon as it gets within 30 kilometers of the LBS.

We need artillery with new, unworn barrels and Sarma with precision-guided missiles. Otherwise, we won't be able to suppress the enemy artillery that's destroying our assault groups.

The situation at the LBS is very difficult, there are quite a few losses, and communications and electronic warfare are very poor. The enemy has realized this and is counterattacking.

It's a pity that our generals don't understand this and simply drive the infantry to the slaughter.

If you can't cover the area you're advancing in with electronic warfare, and you can't immediately suppress enemy artillery fire within a 30-40 km radius of the area where the assault groups are moving in, there's no point in advancing!!!

Yes, we know, my friend, everything is lost, change the record or something, are the owners really so stingy with new manuals and do we have to carry the same nonsense for years?

[former soldier]

According to Ukrainian military officials, such strikes prevent the Ukrainian Armed Forces from gaining a foothold even in urban areas. However, there have been no major breakthroughs in the Ukrainian Armed Forces' defensive lines so far.

Because after the first line of defense is completely destroyed, its positions are quickly occupied by personnel from the second line. Camouflage and individual radio communications play a major role in this process. This means that the initial positions of the second line of defense are dispersed over a wide area. Upon signal X, the personnel quickly reassemble the first line.
P.S. Something similar already happened during WWII.

[Sergey Mitinsky]

There was, but it was somewhat different and was practiced more often by the Germans.

After the artillery barrage began, the Germans quickly moved to the second line of cover through specially dug perpendicular communication trenches and immediately after such shelling they headed to their forward positions to meet our infantry.

But now they've grown lazy about digging solid trenches and consider it impractical. They're digging something resembling fragmentary strongholds for a small garrison, but at the same time they're strengthening the strength of shelters from shelling with a branched system of passages and exits.

It's not even possible to suppress such deeply dug-in strongpoints with KABs, so there's no 100% guarantee, but after a TOS strike there won't be anything left alive there.

The problem is that the TOSs, with their short arm, are too vulnerable to enemy drones. Therefore, before giving them the floor, this threat must be eliminated.

[Sergey Mitinsky]

It is difficult to understand from this article why it is necessary to drill into trenches and dugouts with KABs if it is enough to cover them with TOSs.
It is difficult if you do not understand how such strongholds in the form of trenches and dugouts are arranged
Their defense system relies on cover, previously with artillery, now with drones. This cover is located deeper than these forward "anti-infantry" strongholds, closer to the enemy's rear. It's these reconnaissance positions in the rear that they strike with KABs, as I understand it, which is especially effective when covering buildings where operators and their equipment are located.

[Victor19]

Well, if this is a recipe for roasting pork in the field, it's not bad. The dish is served extremely hot.

[cinnamon]

For a drop range of 150 km, the aircraft must fly at an altitude of 15 km. No one in Ukraine flies near the LBS at such altitudes; that would be suicide.