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Memo on the unity of Europeans. Who were the last fierce defenders of Nazi Germany from the "Russian barbarians"

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68 years ago ended the assault on Berlin. The Soviet troops of the 1-Byelorussian and 1-th Ukrainian Fronts conducted a round-the-clock offensive within the boundaries of the capital of the Third Reich, approaching the long-awaited victory in the Great Patriotic War with each ten meters passed. The fighting in the central regions of the huge city, Berlin-Mitte, was particularly tense.


An interesting fact is that the main part of the Berlin garrison consisted of all sorts of improvised battle groups, and not regular Wehrmacht formations. Parts consisting of Volkssturmists and members of the "Hitler Youth" were interspersed with all sorts of educational and police units. The reason for this was the entourage of the main forces of the German 9 army of General T. Busse in the Halbe boiler east of Berlin (in Russian historiography, these events are known as the defeat of the Frankfurt-Guben enemy grouping) and the failure of General V. Wenck to break through the city of the 12 army.

Another component of the defense of Berlin, with the most combat-ready, was part of the Waffen-SS, which in itself is not surprising. However, it is worth considering in more detail their staffing. The largest division of the SS troops, which the Soviet troops had to fight, was the SS division “Nordland”, its full name is the 11-I volunteer tank-grenadier SS division “Nordland”. Its core during the formation was the motorized regiment "Nordland", transferred from the SS division "Viking", recruited volunteers from Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway. In 1945, the division included the grenadier regiments "Danmark" and "Norg", the Dutch volunteers were sent to the forming SS division "Nederland", the French SS division "Charlemagne" ("Charlemagne") and the Belgian volunteers were also formed from the West European volunteers. SS divisions "Langemark" and "Wallonia" and a number of smaller units.

Nowadays, most European historians claim the compulsory formation of these military units, but information about the behavior of their personnel in combat conditions is much more often refuted than confirmed by this position.

At the end of April 1945, it was obvious that Hitler Germany was on the verge of a final catastrophe. The question of her own fate arose sharply before those who had previously elected her side. On the Western Front, most of the military units of the SS formed from non-citizens of the Reich surrendered to the Anglo-American allies, but many of them fought with the Red Army to the last possible opportunity, this was especially vivid in the Battle for Berlin. The Dutch SS division “Nederland” was destroyed in the Halbah cauldron, and the SS division “Nordland” and part of the SS division “Charlemagne” died during the storming of the city itself. Let us ask ourselves if they had other options?

Based on historical examples, you can confidently answer that there were. The best way to confirm the thesis of some historians about the forced recruitment of Western Europeans into the SS troops could be confirmed by an organized surrender when establishing direct contact with Soviet troops, as it usually happened on the Western Front. It was possible to follow the example of the 1st and 2nd divisions of the ROA (they are also the 600th and 650th infantry divisions of the Wehrmacht), which rushed to the west in order to surrender precisely to the British and Americans.

However, the European SS volunteers chose another way - to fight the Russians to the last drop of blood, thereby extending the agony of Hitler's Berlin for a few days. That was their European choice.

They fought fiercely, without illusions about the “wunderwaffe” - a miraculousweapons, due to change the course of the war, which was broadcast on the radio by the Reich Minister Minister Dr. J. Goebbels in the last April days of 1945. So, one of the last Knights of the Order of the Knight's Cross for the destruction of several Soviet tanks became the SS Unterscharführer Eugene Valot, a young Parisian from the Charlemagne SS division, it happened on April 29, and on May 2, a month before the twenty-second anniversary, a fresh cavalier was found by a bullet that put an end to his life.

Some of the survivors wrote memoirs, in which they answered questions why they served Hitler until the last days. Usually they wrote about the need to protect Europe from Russian barbarians, Bolsheviks and atheists. Moreover, this concept, which looked normal in the minds of the Berlin 12-14-year-old members of the Hitler Youth, was even advanced by those who managed to make war with the SS troops directly in the Soviet Union.

Recall that in the 1940 year, none of the military units of Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and France even showed close proximity to the Wehrmacht, which occupied these countries through the use of armed force, the level of combat capability with which most of the countries volunteers fought SS on the Eastern Front.

If we look to the Europeans for an excuse, one could say that “the cause is the feeling of distrust and danger emanating from Russia regardless of its state structure, social system or religion, which has been formed in the countries of Western Europe for centuries. Although hardly anyone remembers at least one serious reason to fear Russia and Russians for the residents of these small countries. ”

But if we approach the issue objectively, then the only and main reason for this attitude of Europeans to Russia lies precisely in its fundamental disobedience. European countries - the essence of the country repeatedly subdued and conquered by each other. Japan, China and India - despite their strangeness - do not cause such fierce rejection of them, for they were conquered. Russia, however, even though inhabited predominantly by a Caucasoid Christian people, needs an alarmist European consciousness to be conquered and conquered. Without this, it is dangerous.

And by the way - since then nothing has changed in the attitude of the European consciousness to us. It is worth considering.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 10 May 2013 08: 13 New
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    But if we approach the issue objectively, then the only and main reason for this attitude of Europeans to Russia lies precisely in its fundamental disobedience. European countries - the essence of the country repeatedly subdued and conquered by each other. Japan, China and India - despite their strangeness - do not cause such fierce rejection of them, for they were conquered. Russia, however, even though inhabited predominantly by a Caucasoid Christian people, needs an alarmist European consciousness to be conquered and conquered. Without this, it is dangerous.

    So we need to lose the war and surrender our territory to the enemies, so that pid ... friends from western Geyropa become friends with us? Do we need this?
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 10 May 2013 15: 25 New
      27
      no, it’s necessary to subdue them again, but so that they don’t have any thoughts that they are civilization ...
      1. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 10 May 2013 15: 37 New
        13
        conquer, and they are so on my side. let them not climb into our monastery with their own rules.
        Otherwise, "came with a sword, and you will perish from it."
        1. foxhound
          foxhound 10 May 2013 16: 16 New
          12
          more precisely, whoever comes to us with a sword will receive a shout.
          1. domokl
            domokl 10 May 2013 20: 25 New
            +1
            Beautifully camouflaged dirt. So it is not intrusive to say that one and a half million losses in the Berlin operation were inflicted by Russians from the Hitler Youth and civilian militias .. Well, well.
            In general, everything seems to be correct. Many units from European countries volunteers and even from the republics of the USSR fought against us. But the garrison of Berlin consisted mainly of selected parts of the SS, and not some SS-like wafen ...
            In short, for some reason I did not understand the universal endorsements for this article ...
            1. reichsmarshal
              reichsmarshal 10 May 2013 21: 46 New
              +5
              During the Berlin operation, the Red Army losses amounted to 350 thousand people, of which 80 thousand were killed and approx. 20 thousand missing and dead from wounds.
            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 11 May 2013 13: 58 New
              +1
              The Berlin operation is included in the Guinness Book of Records as the largest military operation in history, at least 3.5 million people participated there from both sides and the assault on Berlin is far from the most difficult part. In general, we learn materiel and do not write nonsense. German losses there are many times ours exceed.
        2. Uhe
          Uhe 10 May 2013 18: 18 New
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          They do not just climb, Russia caved in under them. Where do the richest Russians live? In London. Where do the best finance ministers and perestroika architects run to bow to? In all sorts of Bilderberg clubs. Where do billions come from Russia? In all sorts of Europe and the USA. Oh, the importance of the Washington Regional Committee for the functioning of the state. cars and economies of the Russian Federation, I do not say. The Russian Federation is completely subordinate to external management, because the international laws of all WTOs and other IMFs are primary in relation to domestic, Russian laws. In short, they have long climbed in and entrenched. We need to free ourselves from them, not free them.
          1. RUS-36
            RUS-36 10 May 2013 23: 44 New
            +6
            Who lives in London, the Russians ?. Jews alone and that one has already died ...
          2. Nick
            Nick 11 May 2013 08: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Uhe
            They do not just climb, Russia caved in under them. Where do the richest Russians live? In London. Where do the best finance ministers and perestroika architects run to bow to? In all sorts of Bilderberg clubs. Where do billions come from Russia? In all sorts of Europe and the USA. Oh, the importance of the Washington Regional Committee for the functioning of the state. cars and economies of the Russian Federation, I do not say.

            Lying! Compradors are not all of Russia!
        3. fokino1980
          fokino1980 10 May 2013 20: 12 New
          +3
          Unfortunately, they won’t be able to! Once again they want to come and teach us civilization wink
        4. potap2872
          potap2872 10 May 2013 22: 41 New
          +1
          but what the fuck
      2. YARY
        YARY 10 May 2013 16: 05 New
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        Uv "Sochi"
        I agree.
        If for service in the "SS" they shot everyone who was in this gang, publicly-indicative, then the lesson of 1945 would "play" now.
        1. Kolya
          Kolya 11 May 2013 08: 39 New
          +4
          Our men exterminated. The dead do not speak! And humane Russian scum left for good, this scum is now popularized by lies about raped Germany. The history is written not by the winners, but by the one who remained alive!
      3. nnz226
        nnz226 10 May 2013 19: 07 New
        +2
        with the active settlement of Siberia by representatives of all kinds of frightened small nations, geyrops. Limotrophs-sprats should be included here. Suitcase-station-Siberia! Here is the slogan of the day for all this bosota!
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 11 May 2013 06: 03 New
          +5
          "with the active settlement of Siberia by representatives of all kinds of frightened small nations, geyrops ..." nnz226 (1)  Yesterday, 19:07

          We are in Siberia, this is European shit and you don’t need to fuck! Drain them in place.
        2. olparf
          olparf 11 May 2013 06: 21 New
          +5
          "with the active settlement of Siberia by representatives of all kinds of frightened small nations, geyrops ..." nnz226 (1)  Yesterday, 19:07
          To hell with us in Siberia!
          Suitcase-station-Ukraine!
        3. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris 11 May 2013 08: 33 New
          +5
          What kind of manners!
          Guys over the Stone! Siberia is not a place for waste! Dispose of them at home.
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 11 May 2013 11: 19 New
            +2
            I support Sibiryakov, not wanting to collect trash in our country, and so Asia is already here !!!
        4. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 11 May 2013 08: 53 New
          +4
          Why should these clean SIBERIAN LANDs be clogged up with all sorts of rubbish?
      4. Rustiger
        Rustiger 10 May 2013 21: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: Sochi
        no, it’s necessary to subdue them again, but so that they don’t have any thoughts that they are civilization ...


        1


        Stalin's order of January 19, 1945:

        Officers and Red Army! We are going to the country of the enemy. Everyone should keep his composure, everyone should be brave ... The remaining population in the conquered areas, regardless of whether German, Czech, Polish, should not be subjected to violence. Perpetrators will be punished under the laws of war. In the conquered territory, sexual relations with the female sex are not allowed. For violence and rape the perpetrators will be shot.

        Supreme Command Directive
        commander of troops and members of military councils
        1st Belorussian and 1st Ukrainian Fronts on the change
        attitudes towards German prisoners of war and civilians


        20 April 1945 city
        The Supreme High Command orders:
        1. Demand to change the attitude towards the Germans both to prisoners of war and civilians. Treat the Germans better. The cruel relationship with the Germans causes them to fear and makes them stubbornly resist, not surrendering to captivity. The civilian population, fearing revenge, is organized into gangs. This situation is not profitable for us. A more humane attitude towards the Germans will ease our combat operations on their territory and will undoubtedly reduce the German stubbornness in defense.
        2. In areas of Germany west of the line of the mouth of the Oder River, Fürstenberg, then the Neisse River (west) to create German administrations, and in cities to set burgomaster - Germans. The ordinary members of the National Socialist Party, if they are loyal to the Red Army, should not be touched, but only leaders should be detained if they did not manage to escape.
        3. Improving attitudes towards the Germans should not lead to a decrease in vigilance and familiarity with the Germans.

        Headquarters of the Supreme High Command. I. STALIN /

        From time to time, bullshit raises another howl about the alleged mass violence of Soviet troops in occupied Germany. As the saying goes “in the thief and the hat is on” - read the truth about what really happened in Germany in 1945, where, as conceived by the Western Allies, defeated Germany should be “turned into a country of swineherds” as soon as possible - the genocidal “Morgenthau Plan” .

        Austin Appa: “Rape of women of conquered Europe”

        One of the greatest crimes of this century, and perhaps one of the greatest crimes against women in history, was the massive rape of women conquered by Europe by the Americans and British after the victory in 1945. It is very easy to dismiss this topic and choose something more pleasant or entertaining for reading. But if you want to know the truth about one of the most sinister secrets of our ruling circles, about a terrible crime against women, about which politically trustworthy feminists strangely prefer to remain silent, then I urge you to read this article.


        http://sniper-rkka.livejournal.com/201232.html
      5. Revolver
        Revolver 11 May 2013 02: 39 New
        +1


        more precisely, whoever comes to us with a sword will receive a shout.

        ... and other suitable openings
        1. rauffg
          rauffg 11 May 2013 11: 43 New
          0
          God forbid negative , they will begin to get pleasure and still want to stay!))) better they immediately
    2. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 10 May 2013 15: 52 New
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      Quote: Canep
      But if you approach the issue objectively, then the only and main reason for this attitude of Europeans towards Russia lies precisely in its fundamental rebellion.

      Feeling of our own unbearable inferiority in relation to Us Russians, who have never been subjugated by anyone, nor by anyone. Wild hatred of our superiority.
      1. patline
        patline 10 May 2013 20: 10 New
        +1
        Europe, what to take from them - crumbling slaves.
        And about the future of Europe, our contemporary, Russian thinker Alexander Dugin, spoke quite well - http://www.russia.ru/video/diskurs_14028/
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 10 May 2013 15: 19 New
    +8
    In the West, they gave up because they felt the opportunity to escape, there they were more loyal to the traitors. Our traitors never complained and they did not have to wait for mercy.
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 10 May 2013 15: 39 New
      +3
      exceptions only confirm the rule.
  3. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 10 May 2013 15: 23 New
    +9
    Everyone grinds a tooth on Russia, they envy that such a large territory is in the hands of one country. A lot of resources. I think no matter how they would like, no one can conquer Russia. We live and think differently than the West. hiRussians have very developed patriotism soldier and willpower, inflexibility. A Westerner doesn’t have such and does not seem to be.
    1. I think so
      I think so 10 May 2013 18: 11 New
      +1
      So you are already conquered ... and without shots and bombing ...
      Answer simple questions:
      1. Who owns the oil and gas of Russia?
      2. Who owns gold, diamonds, nickel, uranium?
      3. Who owns the MOST profitable plants?

      Now your owners only have ONE problem - how to drive you into a reservation and hobble, so that you are also happy about it ... Dumb to fool, so that no one has any thoughts that everything that has already been stolen from you can be returned ... That’s why for now, YOUR veterans are still being honored, DEMONSTRATING care for the army, YOUR complexes are UNBEATABLE ... But the time will come and ... you won’t go anywhere - on the reservation ... Well, of course, if you don’t change your mind and FINALLY drive out the CURRENT selling corpse and don’t replace it with the PATRIOTS of your country ... But I do not see the SIGNiest sign of such an opportunity in today's Russia ... amen ...
      1. Merchant
        Merchant 10 May 2013 19: 30 New
        -1
        TO WHOM TO RUSSIA !!!
        AND WHEN IT WAS OTHERWISE !!!
        IS UNDER THE USSR ALL THESE WEALTHS BELONGED TO EVERYONE IN EQUAL SHARES?
        ALWAYS ALL RESOURCES BELONG TO THE STATE !!!
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 11 May 2013 06: 13 New
          +1
          "ALWAYS ALL RESOURCES BELONG TO THE STATE !!!"

          If so. After all, to the state - this means all the people living in this state.
          Unfortunately, now all resources belong to 10-15 oligarchic “families”, thieves and bandits parasitizing on the body of Russia and their representatives in power, Putin and K.
        2. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 11 May 2013 09: 04 New
          +1
          Under the USSR, from the RICHES of the Russian Land there were FREE medicine, education, decent pensions, people received free housing, there were free sports schools, accessible forests, fields, rivers, seas! And now income from these RICHES is flowing into the pocket of a handful of people! And wherever you go - everything is a PRIVATE SECURITY ZONE! So don’t ... I wonder if you Merchant lived under the USSR?
      2. Proud.
        Proud. 10 May 2013 20: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: I think so
        So you are already conquered

        No, they were deceived, occupied and robbed. Temporarily.
        Quote: I think so
        Now your owners have only ONE problem - how to drive you into the reservation and hobble, so that you are also happy about this ...

        I don’t have a host. Bolt them in the soup, steam up to drive and spread rot.
        Quote: I think so
        But the time will come and ...

        They will have to look for the fifth corner.
        Quote: I think so
        But I do not see the slightest sign of such an opportunity in today's Russia ... amen ...

        There is always an opportunity. In relation to Russia, the last word (amen) is FALSE, FAIR, TRUE.
      3. Slevinst
        Slevinst 11 May 2013 10: 00 New
        0
        Conspiracy theory, turn to a psychologist, if an army is cherished, it means it becomes stronger, how can a reservation be made without a strong army with a strong army? if you were right we would now have what we had in the 90s
    2. pogorelets
      pogorelets 10 May 2013 18: 41 New
      +8
      Now they act differently - not by washing and skating. Why is Gorbachev alone
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 10 May 2013 15: 36 New
    +6
    All this abomination understood that they would have to answer fully for their crimes and there would be no mercy. So it turned out who could run to the west, and who could not resist as much as he could.
  5. gendarm
    gendarm 10 May 2013 15: 39 New
    +7
    Be that as it may, the photos are not employees of the Waffen-SS, but soldiers of the Wehrmacht from the Legion of French volunteers.
    Do not forget that in most countries of Europe there were supporters of Nazism, who united in parties with names similar to the NSDAP. Even in “neutral” Sweden, from which volunteers fought under contract in the Waffen-SS. Anti-Bolshevik sentiments in Europe in general were at a high enough level to attract a decent number of volunteers to the Wehrmacht and the SS. After the war ended, anti-Soviet sentiment only subsided.
    1. creak
      creak 11 May 2013 10: 54 New
      +1
      In September 1944, the Legion was transferred from the Wehrmacht to the SS troops and 33 were formed at its base.
      SS Grenadier Division Charlemagne.
      Subsequently, the division participated in battles on the Eastern Front and in Pomerania, where it suffered heavy losses.
      a battle group from the division participated in the defense of Berlin.
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 10 May 2013 15: 41 New
    +7
    No matter what they say, the Goebbels service worked efficiently. Brainwashing - and the whole reason!
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 10 May 2013 15: 57 New
      +9
      and now it works ... even with us
  7. arkgrz
    arkgrz 10 May 2013 15: 53 New
    +3
    populated predominantly by the Caucasian Christian nation, it needs an alarmist European consciousness to conquer and conquer. Without this, it is dangerous ....
    it's for now .. the jamshuds will populate will be completely different .. is it time to send them out?
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 10 May 2013 16: 04 New
      +6
      Have you ever wondered why a Jew is not considered a father? in Russia there are more women than men.
      A woman is a conservation beginning, preserves the genome.
      A man is "changing" laughing the beginning, makes changes in the genome.
      Is it because the Nazis at the root destroyed the Slavs, not sparing women: in order to destroy the carriers of genes.
      1. gendarm
        gendarm 11 May 2013 12: 18 New
        0
        Quote: DeerIvanovich
        why do not consider a Jew by his father?
        Because the act of motherhood is obvious, and paternity is not always. ;-)
  8. erased
    erased 10 May 2013 15: 54 New
    16
    Alone against the whole world. Do not get used to it. Moreover, the world so stupidly and stubbornly climbs east. Either there are all masochists, or sclerotics.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 10 May 2013 17: 52 New
      +3
      Reading your comment, I confess that I first read "stubbornly crawls into trouble"
  9. elmi
    elmi 10 May 2013 16: 23 New
    +4
    But how many times have we defended the West against threats from the East by sacrificing ourselves, our economy, for any war is a big waste, while European countries flourished. I sometimes thought - how would everything turn out if we, together with the Tatar Mongols, went to Europe? thereby saving their country from ruin and pushing Western countries decades back in terms of development. Now, then, Russia would be the richest and most powerful country.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 10 May 2013 17: 42 New
      +3
      In the notorious 1913, Tsar Nicholas II was the richest man on the planet. And note, the riches of Russia were not created by robbery and discord of other nations, and the land did not grow by force, but of good will or for money. "But someone’s golden domes the black eye was blinded ... "I.Talkov
  10. Yugra
    Yugra 10 May 2013 16: 50 New
    +3
    Well, what’s surprising, they don’t love us, they don’t respect our strength and power, they don’t welcome all the good things that are happening in the country. But ... they’re afraid. Let it be at least like that. shit democrats from Europe were able to express and with arms in their hands.
  11. Gamal
    Gamal 10 May 2013 16: 52 New
    +1
    [media = http: //www.kp.ru/daily/26073.3/2979273/]
    Such a people cannot be defeated!
  12. screw cutter
    screw cutter 10 May 2013 17: 35 New
    +3
    "in her fundamental rebellion" This is the place I personally especially liked. It’s like a prostitute will never understand a proud and decent woman, and will spread rot in every way.
  13. valokordin
    valokordin 10 May 2013 17: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Gamal
    Such a people cannot be defeated!
    Such a people, which at that time could never be defeated, the current one led and led by shit-racers, corrupt officials, oligarchs, can be conquered, but only by soft power, which is now being done. If there is open aggression, the people will lose this power, unite and become invincible again.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 10 May 2013 17: 49 New
      +2
      Moreover, this applies not only to Russians, but to the whole nation. The rumor calls this state "RUSSIAN", it sounds like one who has taken faith. Hence the Russian spirit.
  14. darksoul
    darksoul 10 May 2013 17: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: Sochi
    no, it’s necessary to subdue them again, but so that they don’t have any thoughts that they are civilization ...



    you don’t have to conquer, jo ... sing to them, turn off the gas, conduct all operations in the national currency and go to be completely friends with the East, Africa and Lat. America. Ped ... union rotten structure, which does not respect us, and eats itself from the inside, I think that this is a dead end option of our development ... they will always look for rat moves and double standards .... 68 years have passed and the relationship is not particularly is changing
  15. Igarr
    Igarr 10 May 2013 17: 56 New
    +2
    Interesting movie ...
    No matter how many of us there fought, no matter how much we visited in Europe - hell, all over the face, had we never come to the court?
    Suvorov, Kutuzov ..... "heavy tread of regiments in the age of golden Catherine."
    The furious campaign of Tukhachevsky ....... seems to be due to turn the opinion of the West - back. To us, i.e.
    The Finnish war ... well here, rather we are minus ... how can .. fight at minus 41 Celsius. Inhuman.
    For us, Asians - this is basically - is normal. A - Finns - you can’t.
    .
    And, in general ....... in general ...
    Remember the story .... this disagreeable Europe .... only newcomers from the east led to culture. To the feeling ...
    Either Atilla, then Genghis Khan, then ... our age is already.
    The thing is different, that in fact it’s all ... bringing unreasonable children to the world. Peace enforcement, peacekeeping operations ...
    And, all of Eastern Europe - like a father ... able to tear off at the withers ... rebellious offspring.
    Siblings - like this attitude towards them?
    No.
    ....
    "Ah, Pug, knowing she is strong .... What barks at the Elephant."
    1. DeerIvanovich
      DeerIvanovich 10 May 2013 18: 16 New
      +4
      and just as Suvorov, the Austrians in his walks in Europe set up ... and he would at least henna ... both walked and walked, sweeping in the path ...
  16. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 10 May 2013 18: 14 New
    +4
    Well, yes, no matter who came to Russia, he always scooped up the lyuley to the fullest. This is a simple medical fact !!!
  17. serge
    serge 10 May 2013 18: 59 New
    +6
    The Waffen-SS troops have done so much in our territory that it is not surprising that they stood to the end. Under no circumstances should this category of mercy be expected. In addition, from the eternal European mentality, they expected that our troops would massively kill civilians, as did the SS troops in the USSR. The eternal distrust of the Russians has nothing to do with it - this is a fear of retribution on the principle of "eye for eye."
  18. homosum20
    homosum20 10 May 2013 19: 04 New
    +2
    In fucking Europe, the mentality is like in a zone. If they are all omitted, then we must be omitted. It will not end in good. But they will have worse. They have more to lose.
  19. individual
    individual 10 May 2013 19: 38 New
    +1
    Russia in Europe has a special position both geographically and religiously and morally. This difference causes either the curiosity of our neighbors or the rejection of our mentality. O. Bismarck also said that it is not possible to conquer Russians. They need to instill false values ​​and then they will defeat themselves. Moreover, he pronounced the word Russian, and not the Russians. Right now, their ideologists and our fifth column are actively instilling these values. The task of the healthy forces of Russia, Russians, to cancel the postulate of Bismarck’s second part of the family.
  20. SPACE
    SPACE 10 May 2013 19: 51 New
    +4
    Quote: homosum20
    Moreover, the world so stupidly and stubbornly climbs east. Either there are all masochists, or sclerotics.

    To think that they are masochists and sclerotics and climb here only because of their natural stupidity means underestimating and misunderstanding their natural driving force. They just think and consider themselves the highest caste of civilized people, on this planet, to whom everything belongs and is allowed, but they still just think so, because in reality, there are still these “wild Russians” who stand as a barrier to their embodiment dreams. And besides this, black envy and fears, still, these Russians got such a territory with rich natural resources and, having counted on their calculators, they came to the logical conclusion: that the Russians have such potential and the time works and the future belongs to them. That's why they climb and they will climb. True, from the time of Napoleon and Hitler they developed a complex of incompleteness in front of the "Russian barbarians", but today they are trying hard to eradicate it and sooner or later, by tables and calculations, they will again convince themselves that the past is just an accident. Their new hope, for soulless technology, if granite Russians cannot be defeated in close combat, then their best / latest missiles, planes, ships will be able to do this. It is only necessary to convince these Russians that their technique is backward / ancient and peaceful, in the form of further reductions in strategic offensive arms. Yeah, jackals voluntarily agree to amputate their teeth and claws. Does anyone else believe that?
    1. VADIMKRSK
      VADIMKRSK 11 May 2013 03: 10 New
      +1
      At the expense of amputation - do not dare! The gut is thin ... Gorbachev’s days have passed. When everyone was ruining for the sake of the Anglo-Saxon smiles. Railway complexes were good. The son was named Dima in honor of the submarine "Dmitry Donskoy."
  21. washi
    washi 10 May 2013 20: 18 New
    +3
    Stalin was too honest and cared about the people. Otherwise, France and England would have to go through denazification. And Korea ,, Manjuria, Port Arthur has already surrendered Corn.
  22. AntonR7
    AntonR7 10 May 2013 21: 05 New
    +1
    Yes, everyone already had enough in Berlin and regular units and militias. The agony of the Reich after all.
  23. kabizdox
    kabizdox 10 May 2013 21: 14 New
    +3
    sadly, many friends consider Great Russia to be a rushka, and dream of being blamed for geyropa, to the question why you think it’s better there, they say civilization there ... they don’t spoil the entrances, etc ... when I give examples that everything is not good there believe to see such an education, although peers
    1. satellite
      satellite 11 May 2013 00: 21 New
      +3
      I then live in Germany. Often I am in a union - and here in Germany it is not much better. Yes, the roads are better. But to live? Hard. For many of my relatives, German salaries look like manna from heaven, but it’s hard to live on my salary here. Anyway, this Europe is not a cheap pleasure
  24. Vladomir
    Vladomir 10 May 2013 22: 08 New
    +2
    The West did not understand, and still do not understand, what the Russian spirit, the spirit of patriotism, nurtured at the gene level for more than a thousand-year history of countering the aggression of the West. And the worse our constant probable opponents will respond about Russia, the more they will harm us in every way, the more friendly we will become, and the more decisively our rebuff will be !!! The Great Victory of 1945 is not enough for them?
  25. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 10 May 2013 22: 30 New
    +5
    The Germans are advancing, the French soldiers declare the city of Paris, the capital, an open city. This is the same thing as giving your mother to the conquerors - do whatever you want with her ... And after they gave the mother out to scold, the French say that they are a great nation ... looked for simpler words so as not to be banned, I didn’t find .. ....
  26. dredge
    dredge 10 May 2013 23: 05 New
    +2
    I have always been interested in this question: "Is there a period in our history when we would not fight with anyone? If even during the period of complete secrecy from the masses of people, during the time of stagnation, there were a lot of military operations abroad. I have for such a topic there is neither patience nor education. I would like to see such an article in Military Review.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 10 May 2013 23: 35 New
      +2
      Our country is too big and rich (by natural resources) - we have always fought and will always fight! This is a fact! + We don’t fit into their framework of behavior, we have a different mentality. "What is strength, brother? --- And I think the power is in the truth ... "
    2. anomalocaris
      anomalocaris 11 May 2013 09: 31 New
      +1
      Somehow, purely for the sake of interest, I counted the peaceful years over the past thousand years. It turned out 114. And then, relatively peaceful ...
  27. RUS-36
    RUS-36 10 May 2013 23: 46 New
    +2
    Soon it will be even more interesting, they will sort Syria, then Iran, and then .. well, you understand ..
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 10 May 2013 23: 56 New
      +2
      I think that the GDP will not be turned on, the wrong person! Most likely they will call early elections where Assad will win safely (although it will be very difficult to do this and it will be necessary to use a lot of resources). They have banned selling the S-300? Find other ways ! Maybe not completely connected, but somehow. PSA sense of justice and compassion for oppressed peoples is too acute for us (Russians and that’s it)
      1. VADIMKRSK
        VADIMKRSK 11 May 2013 03: 32 New
        +1
        A sense of justice is heightened. Against congenital arrogance. You can’t fix the Angles. The navel of the earth is many generations. "We will teach everyone democracy." Usually with the wrong hands.
      2. Slevinst
        Slevinst 11 May 2013 10: 03 New
        +1
        Banned from selling the S-300? how much more will they tell us what to do?
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 11 May 2013 11: 42 New
          0
          Who banned? We sell under old contracts ... and they all went off the field and in general it’s time to stop paying attention to their moaning ...
  28. Corsair
    Corsair 11 May 2013 09: 18 New
    +1
    Another component of the defense of Berlin, and the most combat-ready, were parts of the Waffen-SS, which in itself is not surprising. However, it is worth considering in more detail their personnel. The largest division of the SS troops, which the Soviet forces had to fight, became the SS division “Nordland”, its full name is the 11-I volunteer tank-grenadier division of the SS “Nordland”. During its formation, the motorized regiment “Nordland”, transferred from the SS Viking division, equipped with volunteers from Denmark, the Netherlands, and Norway, became its core.

    Poster calling for joining failed SAVIORS OF EUROPE "to the SS Legion.
    The historical memory of the Europeans is short, they were beaten little ...
  29. patrianostra
    patrianostra 11 May 2013 10: 56 New
    +1
    And how do you like any creature in a pair wassat
  30. k220150
    k220150 11 May 2013 13: 52 New
    0
    For a long time in student days, I studied such a subject as “History of the CPSU” and an elderly assistant professor said that only the South and Greeks fought and the French died more on the Eastern Front than in the poppies. But today all sorts of things ... like Svinidza, Posner and the Brewers drive all scum and lies. But people know that the war that began on June 22, 1941 became from the very beginning of the Patriotic War. So they are the winners.

    To take away from them the dead a blessed memory-looting, and to shame, mock and call to repent the survivors of them-arrogance and baseness.
  31. CHILD
    CHILD 11 May 2013 15: 20 New
    0
    .... where are you, our Black Swan ???? It's time to ...