A source explained the reasons behind Kostyukov's replacement with Medinsky ahead of Geneva.

The replacement of the head of the Russian delegation at the Geneva talks is linked to the expansion of the range of issues planned for discussion, according to a source familiar with the negotiating process.

The trilateral talks in Geneva will be a continuation of the Abu Dhabi talks, but with a more expanded format. While the first and second rounds of talks focused primarily on military issues, the Russian delegation consisted primarily of military personnel and was led by Admiral Igor Kostyukov, Chief of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. Now, however, a broader range of issues is planned for discussion, and Medinsky will lead the delegation, writes RIA News.

This will be a continuation of the trilateral talks that took place in Abu Dhabi at the military level, but now in an expanded format to discuss both military and other aspects of the settlement.

Russia is reportedly sending a very large delegation to Geneva, comprising between 15 and 20 people.

Kyiv, however, won't be changing anything about its delegation; it will travel to Switzerland with the same composition as it did in Abu Dhabi. On the other hand, why make any changes if you're not going to reach an agreement? As the head of the Ukrainian delegation, Rustem Umerov, stated, Kyiv has no changes.

My delegation will include Kirill Budanov* (included in Russia’s list of extremists and terrorists), Andrei Gnatov, David Arakhamia, Sergei Kislitsa, and Vadim Skibitsky.

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[RuAbel]

And it's warm in Abu Dhabi now... Everyone wants to warm up. Why not go there at the government's expense? It's time to waste anyway.

[Dinic]

So they will go to Geneva.

[Michael]

Quote: Dinich

So they will go to Geneva.

Geneva was also a good place. This is how V.D. Bonch-Bruevich recalled Geneva: "We were sitting in our corners, studying documents, preparing reports, building our new organization... Suddenly the phone rang. Vladimir Ilyich entered, animated and cheerful.
"Why are we all sitting here, looking so gloomy and serious, over our books? Look at the fun in the streets! Laughter, jokes, dancing... Let's go for a walk! We'll put off all the important matters until tomorrow..."
We were so pleased to see Vladimir Ilyich so cheerful and energetic... We went out into the street in a noisy crowd... we went to see our comrades, dragging everyone with us into the street."

[bayard]

Quote: Michael

This is how V.D. Bonch-Bruevich recalled Geneva:

The brother of the Chief of Intelligence of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia.
How mysterious these Bolsheviks were.

[Michael]

Quote: bayard

Chief of Intelligence of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia.

Is this the intelligence chief who wrote the book "All Power to the Soviets!"?

[bayard]

I haven't read it, but it's quite likely, since it was he and the General Staff as a whole who brought the Bolsheviks to power, organized, and brilliantly executed the October Revolution (they started calling it "Revolution" later, simply by translating the Russian word into French... and it turned out fashionable and romantic). And yes, it was General Bonch-Bruyevich who traveled around the fronts and cities in the tsar's train and gathered generals and officers for the General Staff of the new Red Army being created.
Please do not confuse this with the "Red Guard," the criminals recently released by Kerensky and hired by Trotsky with Schiff's money. It was these armed criminals who staged the Nights of the Long Knives in Petrograd, robbing wealthy homes and murdering their inhabitants. And it was these "fledglings of Kerensky and Trotsky" that the Cheka, led by Dzerzhinsky, spent the next 10 years hunting down and executing across the country.
So yes, “All power to the Soviets” was then the slogan not only of the Bolsheviks, but also of the General Staff, which took their side.

[single-n]

It's just the wimpy Tsar, the one the bun-crunchers worship so much. And the bourgeois grabbers, driven mad by permissiveness. They've had enough of everyone. Including the military. At least the communists had some kind of coherent program, not slogans like "eat like crazy, and after us, the deluge."
Of course, the implementation didn't work out so well. But at least they tried.

[bayard]

Quote: Single-n

Of course, the implementation didn't work out so well. But at least they tried.

After Stalin's death, the Trotskyists, led by Khrushchev, seized power, purged Stalin's guard, and destroyed the Stalinist system of governing the state and economy. Trotskyist partycrats seized power, even then in coordination with London and MI6. They were followed by the Bun-Khrusch convergencers (convergence—the rapprochement, the blending—of capitalism and their understanding of socialism), and their children became the current ones, with the slogan "Through Treason to Enrichment and Impunity."
Now they are rushing about, looking for a way out. But there is only one way out of destruction - the one they cursed, reviled, and boarded up with plywood.
It's true that they recently made a pretty good film, "Chronicles of the Russian Revolution." I haven't seen the whole thing, just the last three episodes. I was surprised. Surprised by the truth. Only a small part of the truth... but surprised.
They were given good advice.
And perhaps he was heard.

[nordscout]

Mikhail, back then, they were creating a new type of Party, which was able to create the Soviet State, and Geneva was needed... And now Geneva is needed for yet another "bazaar" between Europe and feudal Russia... That's how things are, about Geneva...

[bk316]

Geneva is also good.

There's nothing particularly good there.
Especially in winter.
A bit dirty for Switzerland.
The lake is inhospitable, there is slush.
You can't get close to their famous fountain...

[Normal]

So this dick didn't read it. His job is to be the first to reply.

[Andy_nsk]

So this dick didn't read it. His job is to be the first to reply.

It looks like he didn't even have time to read the headline... The headline says "Geneva." But he's the first one 😝

[don_Reba]

Quote: Dinich

So they will go to Geneva.

™ ️

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from Ruabel

And it's warm in Abu Dhabi now... Everyone wants to warm up. Why not go there at the government's expense? It's time to waste anyway.

- Well, that's in Turkey, it's warm there. And in prison now dinner is pasta! It's clear that Admiral Igor Kostyukov, Chief of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, won't talk or negotiate with the Budanovs and Uromovs after the assassination attempt on his deputy. He'll probably shoot those bastards.

[alexandre II]

Xnumx vis
(Yuri)
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Today, 21: 00


And the Russian delegation will sit at the same table with these degenerates,,,, and how should this be understood?????

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from: alexandre

And the Russian delegation will sit at the same table with these degenerates,,,, and how should this be understood?????

You think I understand this? But negotiations are necessary even with these bastards. If we can get back our captured guys, or the people sitting in SS basements for their beliefs. These negotiations alone are worth something. The composure and fortitude of our delegation.

[Neo-9947]

Here, everything depends on the conditions under which peace is planned.
Moscow will still make some concessions, because we are not talking about capitulation, these are negotiations - everyone gives up something.
We will find out soon.
Or we will NOT find out, and we will continue the SVO, if the high-ranking contracting parties on one side and the stoned assholes on the other side have not come to a common denominator.

P.S. As a concession, I propose leaving them all of Lviv! Don't send Oreshnik, Oreshnik-2, or anything else there—so be it, live. But keep Odessa for yourself!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Neo-9947

As a concession, I propose leaving them all of Lviv! Don't send Oreshnik, Oreshnik-2, or anything else there. So be it, live.

— "Kemsky volost?
- Oh, yay, yay, Kemskaya volost!
- Let him have it to his heart's content! I thought...
- How is this possible, breadwinner?!
"The Tsar knows what he's doing! Take it." --- They don't give a damn about Lvov. Should we give it to all the Judeo-Banderite rabble to gather there? Accumulate strength and anger? And then explode again? There's no point in that. Let them go to Israel and Canada. There's no place for them on the great Russian plain.

[ZnachWest]

There are several tables, pushed together.

[Andrey Gladkikh]

Just like with Keitel, they first negotiated and signed the capitulation at the same table, and then hanged him.

[nordscout]

alexandreII, but to understand all THIS, you need to understand it very simply - BIG POLITICS, BEFORE A BIG DEAL....

[Iris]

There's a war going on with too much at stake. Deals are out of the question. Any truce would only mean a temporary halt.

[single-n]

Half of this delegation had been drinking and doing business with them before, and everything was fine. They're such grouches for propaganda purposes. But to their own people, they're "esteemed partners."

[Alexey Alekseev_5]

He won't shoot. After the negotiations, he ate with them at the same table. They reminded the admiral:Ukrainian he'll share bread with you and then immediately shit in your soup

[Krasnoyarsk]

This will be a continuation of the trilateral talks that took place in Abu Dhabi at the military level, but now in an expanded format to discuss both military and other aspects of the settlement.[quote][/quote]
And, in this regard, Medinsky becomes the leader of the delegation. After all, he's no ordinary historian; he's an expert in military affairs and economics.

[invisible_man]

He is not a simple historian, he is an expert in military affairs and is also a master of economics.

Hope it was sarcasm?

[Ratimir]

He has the right nation, that is his talent.

[invisible_man]

It's not about nation, but about the ability to use language correctly.

[Wladyslaw]

Is he Ukrainian or Jewish? I know he was born in the Ukrainian SSR.

[bayard]

Quote: Wladislaw

Is he Ukrainian or Jewish?

This is a big military secret.

[comradChe]

He's of noble birth. He mentioned it himself in his "lecture," and now he's "a person close to the emperor."

[vsart]

Even when he was appointed Minister of Culture, Zyuganov was indignant that, once again, Russia couldn't find a Russian and a Jew had been appointed. True, it didn't last long; some shady business with dissertations came to light. Judging by his biography, he has no practical experience in government service, the army, or economics. So he tells "historical tales" on TV, vulgarly sitting on a desk. Although, Ukrainians And he should know the Jews well. The US and the Ukrainian Reich are also practically all their compatriots. The main thing is that the "Minsk agreements" don't happen again...

Donbass is burning, people are dying and suffering,
Once again, a vile war has been imposed on us...
There is no forgiveness for enemies, we will not forget the heroes,
Our sacred duty is to destroy Satan forever!

https://stihi.ru/2014/03/21/7883

[Wladyslaw]

His level is popular science.

[bk316]

His level is popular science.

This is a very good level for a minister.
Out of reach for most VO readers
And divine for the Ukrainian delegation.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from invisible_man

He is not a simple historian, he is an expert in military affairs and is also a master of economics.

Hope it was sarcasm?

What did you think?

[RuAbel]

Vladimir Rostslavovich, you're overdoing it.

[Ratimir]

It's absolutely super-duper. Especially to be a court historian of sorts.

[nordscout]

Krasnoyarsk, our entire country is "dragging along in all matters" with the "yat" (literally, "drags" in "yat"); however, in terms of "a decent life," we're very modest... And, well, everything else in Moscow, too, is "yat" (literally, "drags" in "yat ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from nordscout

Krasnoyarsk, our entire country is "dragging its feet" on all matters.

Because those at the helm are jacks of all trades. If they were professionals, the country would thrive...
Negotiations must be led by a military man, who, without any diplomatic pretenses, must pose the issue point-blank, from a position of strength. There's no other way. And if the "diplomats" and "historians" begin to prevaricate, the "mattress makers" see this as weakness. And they change their position. Look at Doni's behavior.

[Iris]

Negotiations can only be conducted on surrender. But no one will admit defeat, and so the war of attrition will continue.

[rocket757]

Negotiations in an "extended circle"... let's sit in a circle, talk... but not well!
Commenting... but what's there to comment on? We agreed to exchange prisoners, fine, but what next?

[gribanov.c]

He will tell what kind of kings there were, how serfs lived, and how they did not know why they needed to free themselves from their masters.

[taiga2018]

They'll stir up some kind of "truce" again. There was a grain truce, there was an energy truce, now there will be an election truce, like in order to hold elections in Ukraine, military actions must cease.

[Montezuma]

Quote: taiga2018

Now there will be elections, like in order to hold elections in Ukraine, military actions must cease.

Yeah, right, they're gone. You'll next write about a peace agreement with a permanent NATO "peacekeeper" presence in Donbas for oversight.

[Vol Dimir]

Missing "goodwill gestures"? Medinsky will give you a few now.

Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky was born on July 18, 1970, into a military family in the city of Smela, Smelyansky district, Cherkasy region. Ukrainian SSR

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Vol Dimir

Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky was born on July 18, 1970 in a military family in the city of Smela, Smelyansky district, Cherkasy region, Ukrainian SSR

a) Together with his family, he often moved from garrison to garrison; in the early 1980s, the Medinskys moved to Moscow.
b) Alexander Stanislavovich Syrsky, born July 26, 1965, to a military family in the village of Novinki, Vladimir Oblast, RSFSR. He graduated from high school in Kharkov, where his father served. He graduated from the Moscow Higher Combined Arms Command School, where he studied from 1982 to 1986.
So, where you were born doesn't mean a damn thing. And even where you went to school doesn't really matter.

[Montezuma]

Quote from: nik-mazur

So, the place of birth doesn’t mean anything.

It may seem that way to you, but there are more sophisticated experts here. Now, as soon as they learn that Russian Federation Council Chairwoman Matviyenko was born in Shepetivka, Ukraine, the speculation and meaningful hints will begin.

[alexoff]

Oh, Matvienko was ambassador to Malta in the nineties, I think that says much more.

[Montezuma]

Quote from alexoff

Oh, Matvienko was ambassador to Malta in the nineties, I think that says much more.

Oh, wow! So she's also a Freemason from the Grand Lodge of Malta? What a mess! Absolute horror!!!

[alexoff]

No, just a British financial offshore where Gorbachev essentially signed the USSR's capitulation to the US. By the way, Shoigu is a Knight of Malta, no ordinary man. Horrible! For our country.

[mikh-korsakov]

You never know who lived in Shepetovka. P. Korchagin even lived there. As for Matvienko, she studied at the Leningrad Chemical-Pharmaceutical Institute. She fell in love with the white nights. She was the life of the party, earning the nickname Valya-Glass. She became mayor of St. Petersburg and planted flower beds along the roads, even though the roads themselves were, as we'd politely say, "not that great."

[invisible_man]

Quote: Vol Dimir

Medinsky will now bring a couple.

Do you seriously believe that negotiators make "fateful" decisions on their own?

[carpenter]

Quote: Vol Dimir

Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky was born on July 18, 1970 in a military family in the city of Smela, Smelyansky district, Cherkasy region, Ukrainian SSR

Vladimir Medinsky was born on July 18, 1970, in the city of Smela, Cherkasy Oblast, Ukrainian SSR. His father, Rostislav Ignatyevich Medinsky, was a retired colonel who participated in the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia and the war in Afghanistan.

Due to the father's profession, the family moved from garrison to garrison, settling in Moscow in the 1980s.
Anyone born into a military family knows this very well.

[alexoff]

So what? General Lebed was just a military man, he signed the Khasavyurt Treaty.

[carpenter]

Quote from alexoff

So what? General Lebed was just a military man, he signed the Khasavyurt Treaty.

There were also plenty of bastards in the Soviet Union. Anatoly Krivonozhko, Hero of Ukraine, recipient of the Orders of Bohdan Khmelnytsky and Danylo Halytsky, is the new commander of the Ukrainian Air Force.
In 1989, General Mikhail Zabrodsky entered the A.F. Mozhaisky Military Space Academy in St. Petersburg, where he studied until 1994.
And after that he served in the Russian army for another five years.
Sergei Naev graduated from the Kalinin Suvorov Military School in Tver in 1987, followed by years of study at the Moscow Higher Military Command School.
More than thirty years ago, long before the Maidan and the SVO, Ukrainian soldiers were faced with a choice not so much of where to serve in the future, but of whether they were ready to fight Russia.
And they agreed. This is a small part of those who betrayed their country.
There are still Vlasovs, but a German general or officer will not take the enemy’s side (although there was one there).

[January]

Quote: Vol Dimir

in the city of Smela, Smelyansky district, Cherkasy region, Ukrainian SSR

So what? Do you think the delegation should be led by place of birth? Would you suggest a Muscovite or a St. Petersburger?

[single-n]

Place of birth does not matter.
Catherine II Alexeyevna[2], Catherine the Great, née Sophie Augusta Frederica of Anhalt-Zerbst (German: Sophie Auguste Friederike von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg; April 21 [May 2] 1729, Stettin, Prussia
and at the same time fought against the Prussians and completely defeated them. While her son, born in Russia, squandered the results of the victory.

[Vlad Gor]

Negotiations about negotiations. When they want to hide something, they always talk a lot about nothing.
The question is how to deceive the Russian people so they don't even notice. Defeat is mistaken for victory. The State Duma elections are underway, and the authorities need a victory. For United Russia to win, they need a lot of money—that is, they need to sell a lot of gold, oil, gas, and other things. This can only be sold with Tampa's permission. The rest is clear. This is a headache for the authorities and their "elite"—the SVO—who want to return to the "holy times."

[Montezuma]

Quote: Vlad Gor

The question is how to deceive the Russian people so they don't even notice. Defeat is mistaken for victory. The State Duma elections are underway, and the authorities need a victory. For United Russia to win, they need a lot of money—that is, they need to sell a lot of gold, oil, gas, and other things. This can only be sold with Tampa's permission. The rest is clear. This is a headache for the authorities and their "elite"—the SVO—who want to return to the "holy times."

Another predictor has appeared. As soon as negotiations are scheduled, there always seem to be some clairvoyant who knows the outcome with absolute certainty. And then, as always, it hits the fan. This is already a familiar pattern for commentators of a certain category. Boring, guys.

[hermit]

Let's see how it all ends. No good options come to mind.

[carpenter]

On the other hand, why make any changes if you're not going to reach an agreement in the end?

We can talk, but the question is about what and with whom? It's something like this:
"Look, the blind man, said the dumb man, how the legless man will run!"

[Phoenix Point]

Medinsky is good. You can't get by on crackers. He's not as simple as he seems, and not as easy as he seems. Everything is serious. Even if the agreement is just the return of one prisoner, that's good. Simply good.

[Vlad Gor]

If Admiral Igor Kostyukov is being replaced by Medinsky during ongoing negotiations, that's not a new move, and it means Putin is dissatisfied with the admiral. The author didn't provide a reason, just empty words.
We don't know the text of the talks in Abu Dhabi, nor what will be discussed in Geneva. What was agreed in Anchorage is classified, and the text is not publicly available. Snippets in the media are not information.

[Andrey Gladkikh]

What difference does it make why they replaced him? The main thing is that the Russian Armed Forces continue fighting and move forward. Russia should act according to the principle described by the fabulist Krylov in his fable "The Cat and the Cook"—and Vaska listens (conversing) and eats (continues liberating his ancestral territories).

[Vlad Gor]

The military's actions are strictly limited by orders from the Kremlin. The Kremlin determines the military's goals, objectives, and the course of combat operations. The military has only one duty: to carry them out. If the Kremlin didn't strictly supervise the military, they would have taken Kyiv long ago. Don't criticize me too much; I'm a civilian and haven't served in the army.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Negotiations are a carrot under the nose of Moscow's donkey. This summer, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will launch a new "counteroffensive," which will be difficult to repel. That's why they're talking about elections in Ukraine in May, to buy time. I'd like to be wrong, of course, but I don't trust the Americans. Well, if our forces don't strike the tactical nuclear weapons or don't mobilize, then our cause will be lost.

[Andrey Gladkikh]

Do you really think time is on Ukraine's side? Well, well. There was already a summer "counteroffensive" (2023). And how did it end? With the loss of almost all the armored vehicles that had been cobbled together from all over the West. Now the West no longer has the capacity to transfer so much armored vehicles to the bosses. Their own numbers are below standard. But I think using tactical nuclear weapons against fortified areas, bridges, and tunnels would have been the right thing to do.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Do you really think that time is on Ukraine's side?

The paradox is that time is not on either Ukraine's or Russia's side. Ukraine is a Western satellite and will continue to suffer on minimal handouts, losing men. Russia is also losing men, and the question of mobilization or the use of tactical nuclear weapons will remain. Furthermore, Russia is increasingly restricting exports, without which the Russian economy will suffer, as so much of our stores and businesses are imported. Furthermore, budget funding will be significantly reduced, including for the military-industrial complex, social programs, roads, science and education, and new production projects for cutting-edge products.

[SEVERIN]

Krylov's fable "The Quartet" comes to mind; there's absolutely nothing to add about the Ukrainian delegation.

[zloybond]

Since when has Geneva become neutral in the conflict with Russia????

[Andrey Gladkikh]

Naturally, there's no trace of neutrality there. As D. Peskov explained, the location was decided on based on convenience for all three delegations.

[guest]

And how is this convenient for Russia? I don't understand at all how our delegation will get there.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

I wonder. After the negotiations, will Medinsky be installing memorial plaques for the fascist generals there?

[faridg7]

Quote: Alexey Koshkarov

I wonder. After the negotiations, will Medinsky be installing memorial plaques for the fascist generals there?

You're talking about Mannerheim's board, right? Yes, it's a difficult situation; most people view him as a fascist general, but we must also give credit to the general of the Russian Empire, who made an invaluable contribution to the development of Russian military science. To appreciate him, you need to have gone through the school of the General Staff, or, like me, have a brother who is a commander and can discuss the situation with you and explain a lot.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: "You're talking about Mannerheim's board, right? Yes, it's a difficult situation; most people view him as a fascist general, but we must also give credit to the general of the Russian Empire, who made an invaluable contribution to the development of Russian military science."

...A general of the Russian Empire fled to Suomi at the first opportunity, and there became a Finnish separatist. And by your logic, A.A. Vlasov can also be justified: "Yes, it's a difficult situation; most regard him as a traitor, but we must also give credit to the general of the Soviet Union who made an invaluable contribution to the defeat of the Germans near Moscow..."

[faridg7]

Are you even sane? Putting the traitor Vlasov and General Mannerheim on the same level? One stupidly betrayed his country and people, while the other, having picked up a piece of the crumbling empire, led his country and worked in its interests.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: "One stupidly betrayed his country and people, and the second, having picked up a piece of the collapsed empire, led his country and worked in the interests of this country."
Pardon me, but Mannerheim didn't lead Finland. And let's be honest—he was a Finnish separatist and Russophobe who wanted to take territory from Soviet Russia and participated in the ethnic cleansing of the Russian population. And then he took part in the siege of Leningrad... Of course, I don't put Vlasov on the same level as Mannerheim. Vlasov is small fry compared to him.

[faridg7]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Quote: "One stupidly betrayed his country and people, and the second, having picked up a piece of the collapsed empire, led his country and worked in the interests of this country."
Pardon me, but Mannerheim didn't lead Finland. And let's be honest—he was a Finnish separatist and Russophobe who wanted to take territory from Soviet Russia and participated in the ethnic cleansing of the Russian population. And then he took part in the siege of Leningrad... Of course, I don't put Vlasov on the same level as Mannerheim. Vlasov is small fry compared to him.

Well, before you write nonsense about Mannerheim's separatism, it would be a good idea to familiarize yourself with his biography. As for his participation in ethnic cleansing, that's also as far-fetched as an owl on a globe. And regarding the fact that he didn't lead Suomi, in the 18-19s of the last century he was the regent of Finland, and in 44-46 he was its president.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: faridg7

Well, before you write nonsense about Mannerheim's separatism, it would be a good idea to familiarize yourself with his biography.

...Less pathos. OK? :)

Quote: faridg7

and regarding his participation in ethnic cleansing, that too is as far-fetched as an owl on a globe

On January 16, 1918, Mannerheim was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish Army, and on April 29, 1918, the so-called "Vyborg Massacre" began, when Finnish Army soldiers slaughtered the Russian population. Mannerheim did nothing to prevent this massacre, although as Commander-in-Chief, he was obliged to do so. Therefore, Mannerheim is a Russophobe, a traitor, and a murderer.

Quote: faridg7

And regarding the fact that he did not lead Suomi, in the 18-19s of the last century he was the regent of Finland, and in 44-46 he was its president

...During the Mannerheim regency, the Senate ruled in Finland, headed by Svinhufvud, and afterwards Svinhufvud himself became Regent...

...And you know, if in some part of the Empire a certain group of people appears who want to separate from the Empire, and also calls in troops from the country with which the Empire fought in WWI, and wants to drag a prince from that same country to the Finnish throne, then these are probably not Patriots of the Empire, but rather separatists.

Quote: faridg7

In the 18-19s of the last century he was the regent of Finland, and in 44-46 he was its president.

...Aha. Stalin gave his permission. :)

[faridg7]

Quote: Chack Wessel

On January 16, 1918, Mannerheim was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish Army, and on April 29, 1918, the so-called "Vyborg Massacre" began, when Finnish Army soldiers slaughtered the Russian population. Mannerheim did nothing to prevent this massacre, although as Commander-in-Chief, he was obliged to do so. Therefore, Mannerheim is a Russophobe, a traitor, and a murderer.

Mannerheim was a capable military specialist and a skilled organizer: having received the mandate of commander-in-chief, he routed the Reds. This culminated in a savage ethnic massacre in Vyborg, where former Russian officers and civilians were killed alongside the Red Guards. Mannerheim was furious, but he could do nothing.

Quote: Chack Wessel

And you know, if in some part of the Empire a certain group of people appears who want to separate from the Empire, and also calls in troops from the country with which the Empire fought in WWI, and wants to drag a prince from that same country to the Finnish throne, then these are probably not Patriots of the Empire, but rather separatists.

By the time Mannerheim became commander-in-chief in Finland, the Russian Empire had been extinct for over a year. Essentially, he did the same as the Bolsheviks in St. Petersburg—he seized power just as the empire was already crumbling. It's just that the communists in Finland were weaker.

Quote: Chack Wessel

..Aha. Stalin gave his permission. :)

Yes, it was Stalin who gave his permission, because he preferred to deal with an honest man and saw Mannerheim as a guarantee that Finland would become an independent state and a profitable neighbor. And that's how it was until recently.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: faridg7

This culminated in a savage ethnic massacre in Vyborg, where former Russian officers and civilians were killed alongside the Red Guards. Mannerheim was furious, but he could do nothing.

...What actions did Mannerheim take to stop the massacre? And what was the nature of his rage? Did he spit, chew on the rug, or raise his hands to the sky?

Quote: faridg7

By the time Mannerheim became commander-in-chief in Finland, the Russian Empire had not existed for more than a year.

So what? At that time, the Whites were fighting under the slogan "For a United and Indivisible Russia." Mannerheim didn't join them. But he could have. Because he was a separatist.

Quote: faridg7

In essence, he did the same thing as the Bolsheviks in St. Petersburg - he took power into his own hands at a time when the empire had already collapsed, but in Finland the communists turned out to be weaker.

What do the communists have to do with this? The "red" Finns (actually "pink") were European-style social democrats who fought for the country's independence from the German yoke imposed by the Senate led by Svinokhud and Mannerheim... I don't understand that in Soviet Russia, the "reds" were also social democrats, and their party was called the RSDLP(b). But that's exactly it, the "b." That's the difference from the Finnish social democrats. A fundamental one... Not of course, there were Marxist communists among the Finns. But there were plenty of them.

Quote: faridg7

Yes, it was Stalin who gave permission, because he preferred to deal with an honest man and saw in Mannerheim a guarantee that Finland would become an independent state that would be a profitable neighbor.

...Stalin was an intelligent man. :)

[Alexey Koshkarov]

With the same success as Mannerheim, one can praise the talents of the fascist general Vlasov.

[faridg7]

Quote: Alexey Koshkarov

With the same success as Mannerheim, one can praise the talents of the fascist general Vlasov.

It won't work out that way. Mannerheim's works are studied at the General Staff Academy, but I haven't heard of General Vlasov's scholarly works.

[Chack wessel]

The General Staff Academy studies the works of many different people. That doesn't mean anything... By the way, which "works" of Mannerheim are they studying at the General Staff Academy? "Conducting the Offensive against Countess Shuvalova and Organizing the Defense Against a Jealous Wife"? :)

[faridg7]

Quote: Chack Wessel

The General Staff Academy studies the works of many different people. That doesn't mean anything... By the way, which "works" of Mannerheim are they studying at the General Staff Academy? "Conducting the Offensive against Countess Shuvalova and Organizing the Defense Against a Jealous Wife"? :)

I advised researching the biography of the Russian Empire general, rather than dredging up dirty laundry. While that's certainly the general's work, it has nothing to do with his accomplishments. As for his works, you see, the General Staff Academy library is extensive and not all of its contents are publicly accessible. If you want to read them, try to rise through the ranks and enroll in the academy.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: faridg7

I advised you to look into the biography of the general of the Russian Empire, and not to dig into dirty laundry

Who did you advise not to dig up dirty laundry? Someone here on the forum? And who here has dredged up dirty laundry?

Quote: faridg7

As for the works, you see, the library of the General Staff Academy is extensive and not all of its contents are publicly available. If you want to get acquainted, try to rise through the ranks and enroll in the academy.

Please condescend to my request—enlighten me, who, unlike you, does not have access to the General Staff library, about Mannerheim's works. I assure you, this information will remain strictly between us.
:)

[faridg7]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Please condescend to my request—enlighten me, who, unlike you, does not have access to the General Staff library, about Mannerheim's works. I assure you, this information will remain strictly between us.
:)

I've already described how to access the library. I can add that the entire theory underlying active troop defense was founded by Mannerheim.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: "I can add on my own that the entire theory on which active defense of troops is based was founded precisely by Mannerheim."

...Now prove this statement.

[faridg7]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Quote: "I can add on my own that the entire theory on which active defense of troops is based was founded precisely by Mannerheim."

...Now prove this statement.

Should I lay out the entire curriculum at the General Staff Academy for you? To prove anything to you, you'd have to have at least some understanding of the subject, but you clearly specialize in assaulting countesses.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: faridg7

Should I post the entire training course at the General Staff Academy for you?

Ooooh! You've completed the entire General Staff Academy course!... Commendable. :)

[Eug]

I remember that after a certain stage of negotiations, the Ukrainian delegation demanded that Medinsky be replaced, citing the tone in which Medinsky was conducting negotiations as overly patronizing, "teaching," and humiliating for Ukraine.

[Eug]

The main thing now is the negotiations of another delegation - headed by Dmitriev, and there, it seems, the situation is similar to the Brest Peace... As a result of these negotiations, Russia might not lose any support from China, without receiving adequate relations with the United States...

[FoBoss_VM]

Medinsky can give the Ukrainian delegation a lecture on the history of the 404 in accessible language. Who they really are, where they came from, and what they represent. Along with their artificial language. Also, what is the Russian land and where does it extend?

[Chack wessel]

Do you think the delegation doesn't know this? The delegation doesn't give a damn where Ukraine came from or anything else connected with it. And they don't give a damn about all of Medinsky's historical elaborations. The negotiations aren't about history, but about money.

[the same doctor]

The spineless Medinsky will sign anything, but Kostyukov is "offended for the country."

[Livonetc]

Medinsky will explain the historical context of the proposal.
"Skakol, surrender!"

[bbb]

As stated earlier, Medinsky is a tough negotiator, and our position is probably becoming tougher.

[oleg_627]

It will be like in Turkey, again, they'll say our guys will agree, sign, and then cheat again.

[kig]

Stop making things up. He was sent there to deliver a series of lectures on the Polovtsians, the 1000-year-old Rus', and to finally bring our historical truth to Europe.

[Piligrim from Irkutska]

For four years now, I've been confused about what Russia wants: peace or capitulation? How can one talk about peace if not a single objective of the Central Military District has been accomplished?

[Gavrilo Princip]

The destruction of the Soviet people and infrastructure continues for the amusement of the West.

[Rus_battery]

Vladimir Medinsky and his team should have patience when dealing with such scumbags!

[tank64rus]

Stepping on a rake again. "Not peace, not war, but disband the Army" by L.D. Trotsky. The "shameful" Brest-Litovsk Peace of 1918. The "Non-Aggression Pact" between the USSR and Germany in 1939. "Peace, friendship, jeans, chewing gum." "The Russian Federation has no national interests of its own" by Kozyrev. The 1990s, the Minsk agreements 1-2. 2014-2015. The 2022 ceasefire, etc. Not once during this time has the West failed to fulfill what it signed. They have always respected and respect only force, and they take it into account.

[Peter Yakovlev]

The move to Geneva was primarily prompted by the Abu Dhabi authorities' arrest and extradition to Russia of the Ukrainian terrorist killer Lyubomir Korba.
The Svidomye were offended by the Emirates.