Sergey Mironov proposed sending those who decided to slow down Telegram to the front.

Reacting to criticism of the messenger, Sergei Mironov, leader of the political party "A Just Russia," proposed sending those who decided to slow down Telegram to the front lines. He believes that being in the SVO zone will help them come to their senses.

The politician made his harsh statement during a press conference.

He addressed representatives of Roskomnadzor, calling them "idiots" and "scoundrels" whose decisions could be classified as sabotage and treason:

People are dying, and what are you doing?

Mironov called on the regulatory agency to reverse its decision:

Whoever's slowing down Telegram, go to the front lines, to the SVO! These guys who are shedding blood, their only connection is with their families and loved ones! What are you doing, idiots? I call a spade a spade: idiots! People are raising money for the SVO; their only way to communicate with their families and loved ones is through Telegram channels.

He added that the recently launched national messenger MAX is simply wonderful. But Russians should be able to choose the service that suits them best.

It's worth noting that the restriction announced by Roskomnadzor also has its ardent supporters. Among them is Zelenskyy's Office advisor and ardent Russophobe, Mikhail Podolyak.

He called on the Russian regulatory agency to act more decisively:

Roskomnadzor needs to focus on completing the shutdown of Telegram.

In his opinion, this resource pursues an unfriendly policy towards Kyiv and is too saturated with "aggressive" Russian content.

Comments

[Ross xnumx]

And I will repeat only one thing:

Article 29
1. Everyone is guaranteed freedom of thought and speech.
2. Propaganda or agitation that incite social, racial, national or religious hatred and enmity is not allowed. Propagation of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic superiority is prohibited.
3. No one can be forced to express or reject their opinions and beliefs.
4. Everyone has the right to freely seek, receive, transmit, produce and disseminate information in any lawful way. The list of information constituting a state secret is determined by federal law.
5. Freedom of the media is guaranteed. Censorship is prohibited.

And no Roskomnadzor has the right to change the interpretation of the articles of the Constitution.

[Sky strike fighter]

Some people simply find it difficult to perceive reality or find it too unprofitable. Rejecting contact with reality will have negative consequences. Feedback is needed. I'll give my opinion.

In the theory of political systems, there is the concept of information distortion (the process of changing, deforming, or inaccurately displaying the original data during transmission, processing, or perception).

It means that information from outside (society) enters the system with difficulty and incompletely, like oxygen entering the lungs during pneumonia. This lack of connection with the outside world creates a distorted picture of reality within the system (the government), leading to political decisions that a person in the real world cannot explain, Nosovich explained.

The expert believes that exactly this process is occurring in Russia, and something must be done urgently, as the negative consequences for the country in the future will be enormous. And if this problem isn't acknowledged and addressed, it could have dire political consequences in the future. Because during the 24-hour discussion, I didn't see a single sound argument in favor of blocking Telegram. Almost no one even put forward any arguments in favor. However, the downsides of this decision are glaringly obvious to everyone. Making such a decision is a sign of detachment from reality. This is a functional disorder of the political system, and it must be corrected, he added. He cited neighboring Belarus as a clear example of positive interaction between government and society.

https://topcor.ru/68618-politolog-funkcionalnoe-rasstrojstvo-politicheskoj-sistemy-rossii-nado-ispravljat-poka-ne-pozdno.html

[vasyliy1]

I'm fed up with your messenger bans - I had a good Samsung smartphone, but Max wouldn't install on it anymore, so I had to buy a new one - how well they fit into our pockets!

[Askold65]

Quote: vasyliy1

I had a good Samsung smartphone, but Max wouldn't install on it anymore, so I had to buy a new one - how well they fit in our pockets!

The people behind MAX are real businessmen who have their own connections at the top, and they don’t really need any competitors either.

[Gardamir]

Well, the first deputy head of the presidential administration is much higher up...

[Gavrilo Princip]

A member of that very "family"?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: vasyliy1

I had a good Samsung smartphone, but Max wouldn't install on it anymore, so I had to buy a new one.

So that's where the expression "Dal Makhu" comes from!

Quote: vasyliy1

Max

Why should Max, who is a Russian messenger, be read as Max?

[Svetlana]

Yeah... The white ribbon wearers used the Constitution as a cover when they went out into the squares.

Essentially, Telegram, like WhatsApp, uses servers accessible by foreign specialists, who in turn can transmit all information to Ukrainians in real time.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Svetlana

Yeah... The White Ribboners used the Constitution as a cover when they went out into the squares.

And the anarchists were the ones who committed lawlessness when they slaughtered both “whites” and “reds”...

[Svetlana]

They took advantage of the power vacuum and fought against the creation of the state (as an institution). And they have their own thinkers and theorists. Russian ones include Bakunin and Kropotkin.

And back then, everyone was slaughtering everyone. It was that kind of time. The Reds were slaughtering the Whites, the Whites were slaughtering the Reds, and the anarchists were slaughtering both.

[Volodin]

Quote: Svetlana

In essence, Telegram, like WhatsApp, uses servers to which foreign specialists have access.

So, if we continue to sell oil and gas to those who directly transfer it to Ukrainians, maybe we should at least maintain some kind of unified line and logic in this regard? Otherwise, it turns out: we play here, we don't play there, they turned the fish around here.

[Junior Private]

It's impossible to develop a unified line. Too many capitalist interests are intertwined.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Junior Private

It's impossible to develop a unified line. Too many capitalist interests are intertwined.

A unified line has been developed—it was developed by the United Russia party, created by the guarantor of the Constitution. But it doesn't take into account the interests of ordinary people (ordinary citizens). It's like in a garden: vegetables that are tended grow, while those that aren't watered wither. And without care, weeds and parasitic plants grow quickly.

[Askold65]

Quote: Svetlana

Essentially, Telegram, like WhatsApp, uses servers accessible to foreign specialists, who in turn can transmit all the information to Ukrainians.

You see... Starlink was also used by both the Ukrainians and our soldiers (and quite successfully). Now our Starlink has been disabled, to the delight of the Ukrainians, and is it supposedly "good" that our information is no longer leaking to the enemy?

[Wratch]

Are Max's servers located in Russia? Or is that something else?

[Svetlana]

Yes, in Russia. From technical documentation to user correspondence.

[dnestr74]

Dear Svetlan, let our elite throw out their iPhones first, don't you think?

[Svetlana]

Don't confuse soft with warm. That is, hardware with content.

[dnestr74]

There is some confusion somewhere, whose software is there?

[Svetlana]

Where is there any mention of software?

Content is information that you, including yourself, produce. This information, as it travels from provider to consumer, passes through servers where it can be substituted, blocked, slowed down, and basically anything else. If the servers are accessible to an enemy, they will certainly exploit it.

Now explain what the deputies' iPhones have to do with this? Considering that many probably prefer Android.

[dnestr74]

You can install anything you want into hardware, but what does Telegram and foreign servers have to do with it?

[Gavrilo Princip]

Is it convenient for you to type on a Chinese laptop with American software?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Svetlana

Don't confuse soft with warm. That is, hardware with content.

And no one confuses them. Apple products are 146% tied exclusively to Apple apps. So the hardware and software are tightly coupled, and 99,9% of users prefer what's available in the Store (I remember the outcry when domestic banking apps were kicked out of the Store).
Where do all these programs, and Apple itself, store synchronized copies of Apple device content? On Russian servers?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ROSS 42

And no Roskomnadzor has the right to change the interpretation of the articles of the Constitution.

And Roskomnadzor isn't changing it. The restrictions don't formally violate paragraph 4 of Article 29 of the Constitution.by any legal means"Because they are officially being introduced to ensure that the TG complies with the requirements of Russian legislation - and this point.

In this regard, by decision of the authorized bodies, Roskomnadzor will continue to introduce successive restrictions

in order to ensure compliance with Russian legislation

and ensure the protection of citizens.

In general, everything is as always:

Everything in the name of man, for the good of man.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Alexey RA

In general, everything is as always:
Everything in the name of man, for the good of man.

And we will treat this with understanding... Or with concepts?

[Metallurg_2]

Everything in the name of man, for the good of man.
And we all know this Man.

[chingachguc]

Does the SBU also have the right to disseminate and collect information? What about scammers?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: chingachguc

Does the SBU also have the right to disseminate and collect information? What about scammers?

It's becoming an obsession to start a flood...

4. Everyone has the right to freely seek, receive, transmit, produce and distribute information in any legal way. The list of information constituting a state secret is determined by federal law.

[NIKN]

It's just that Mironov and the rest sit around and pass 200 laws and amendments a week that allow them to ignore the constitution, and then they seem to speak correctly from the podium.

[Montezuma]

Quote: NIKNN

It's just that Mironov and the rest sit around and pass 200 laws and amendments a week.

A small remark: Mironov spoke loudly and pompously, but there is no information that he filed a parliamentary inquiry on this matter.

A parliamentary inquiry is an official request from a member of parliament to government bodies or officials requesting information. The purpose of the inquiry is to obtain detailed clarification on the merits of a problem.

Seventeen deputies (the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia) issued a protocol order requesting information from the Ministry of Digital Development regarding the reasons and legal grounds for slowing down the Telegram messenger service in Russia. However, the State Duma vote on February 11th did not support the order—102 deputies voted against the initiative, while 77 voted in favor. With a total of 450 deputies, that means two-thirds did not participate in the vote at all. So what next? Continue the debate?
In general, in my opinion, such important issues should be promptly resolved at the highest level, with the participation of relevant, competent specialists, military leadership, and representatives of the units directly involved in the LBS. Parliamentary votes, in this case, are simply a waste of time and an excuse for the media to "break lances." Is there really no one to put an end to this story?

[NIKN]

Quote: Montezuma

In general, in my opinion, such important issues should be promptly resolved at the highest level, with the participation of relevant, competent specialists, military leadership, and representatives of the units directly involved in the LBS. Parliamentary votes, in this case, are simply a waste of time and an excuse for the media to "break lances." Is there really no one to put an end to this story?

There is nothing to add.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: NIKNN

But Mironov and the rest sit and pass 200 laws and amendments a week

I'll tell you one thing, but don't be offended: United Russia has so many votes in the latest State Duma that it can pass all the laws it wants and the people don't, while the various CPRF, LDPR, SR, and other newcomers are like the outriders in a troika. They speak correctly when the election campaign begins, but on weekdays you rarely hear them speak intelligently, and even if you do, it's of little use.

[Good Evil]

Quote: ROSS 42

And no Roskomnadzor has the right to change the interpretation of the articles of the Constitution.

Be careful quoting the Russian Constitution! You could get charged under the extremism law, especially paragraphs 4 and 5. And even paragraph 5 isn't exactly a favorite of VO moderators—they delete posts and issue warnings for less-than-enthusiastic thinking.
As for Mironov, in my opinion, it's pure populism. It's easy to criticize him, knowing the issue has already been resolved.
I think my post won't be up for long, they'll delete it...

[Gavrilo Princip]

But the elections are coming soon, sir, the elections. And we lost such a great speaker after the vaccinations.

[Alexander Elizarov]

They've wiped their feet on the constitution. As the saying goes, everything is for friends, but the law is for enemies.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: ROSS 42

And no Roskomnadzor has the right to change the interpretation of the articles of the Constitution.

And no one is changing the interpretation of the Constitution. They're simply outlawing messengers, and therefore shutting them down. legallyIt's a shame, of course, that family connections are being cut off, but we must also consider the foreign roots of almost all software.
You need to pay your handy and smart programmers well, then your software will be good!

[Disant]

ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilievich
Everyone has the right

Are you kidding me? Why are you twisting everything around and misleading me?
information can be transmitted, and prohibited information - It's impossible. After all, there is personal information, and there is secret information. This will be immediately indicated in any letter/decision/determination/response/request to you and anyone asking the question.

The list of information constituting a state secret is determined by federal law.

So, what do you think is transmitted on LBS? Pie recipes?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Disant

So what do you think is transmitted on LBS?

I think you're prone to spamming, and I could get a warning for doing so...
I've said everything. I consider the discussion closed...

[Disant]

and this was not a question, but a rhetorical question.
as well as information and classified information.

[Junior Private]

One deputy, I forgot his last name, was very brash on TV, calling Americans homosexuals and generally spewing forth streams of eloquence along the same lines. Then he decided to go to the front (for PR, perhaps?). He recorded a couple of videos of himself in a helmet and body armor. And after the shelling, he didn't look so bravura.

[tatarin1972]

Yeah, everyone's already standing at the military recruitment offices with their bags packed. Enough of the mockery and making people laugh.

[paul3390]

Under the Soviet power, which is so hated nowadays, even the deputies were different.

[tatarin1972]

There were, but some are no longer there, and those are far away.

[Bersaglieri]

Degtyareva and Milonov - into the stormtroopers, yeah. Butina - into the nurses, to the front lines.

[paul3390]

We all remember the photos of notes on doors from the Great Patriotic War - "The district committee is closed. Everyone went to the front."..

Is it hard for the current ruling party to demonstrate anything comparable? Exactly. This isn't like bashing those damned communists.

[Alexei]

Quote: vasyliy1

I would also suggest sending the entire State Duma there.

Just not in one place, or the Ukrainian Armed Forces will break through the front there. It's better to scatter the State Duma's children and grandchildren of draft age across the entire front; maybe supply lines will improve for the units...

[Ball]

Who is this Mironov? A chatterbox and a slacker. What is he doing in the Duma, what is he famous for, what is he useful for? What has his tiny party, about which nothing is seen or heard, done? He decided to hype things up without really looking into the matter.

[Gomunkul]

Who is this Mironov?

If you really want to know more about the activities of this party, you can follow the link below: Reports on the activities of the A JUST RUSSIA faction in the State Duma of the Russian Federation:
https://spravedlivo.ru/8854216?ysclid=mlj6mo5ovi524055005

[Junior Private]

I know for sure – Mironov is helping. I volunteer myself and have seen him and his help with my own eyes. And hype is common in politics.

[Piramidon]

Sergey Mironov proposed sending those who decided to slow down Telegram to the front.

Pure PR and self-promotion by yet another "proposer" from the State Duma. Under what law is he planning to do this? Has the SVO already become a place for serving sentences and exile?

[Askold65]

Quote: Piramidon

Has the SVO already become a place for serving sentences and exile?

And why not? They just need to be sent to the very front lines. Incidentally, after receiving long prison sentences, thieves from among former officials are somehow begging to be sent to the front.
Mironov, most likely, thus offered to experience the trench realities of the SVO for those who "offered" it to the authorities.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: Piramidon

The SVO has already become a place for serving sentences.

Compared to Durov's long-ago betrayal of Telegram to Western intelligence agencies, discrediting SVO participants is a minor matter. Obtaining geolocation data and information about the relatives of SVO participants, promptly reporting on their morale, needs, and supplies through communication with volunteers, and hundreds of other pieces of information that Western intelligence agencies obtain online thanks to traitors like Mironov, who, under the guise of caring for the people, defend their own selfish interests.

[Ludoman]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

Quote: Piramidon

The SVO has already become a place for serving sentences.

Compared to Durov's long-ago betrayal of Telegram to Western intelligence agencies, discrediting SVO participants is a minor matter. Obtaining geolocation data and information about the relatives of SVO participants, promptly reporting on their morale, needs, and supplies through communication with volunteers, and hundreds of other pieces of information that Western intelligence agencies obtain online thanks to traitors like Mironov, who, under the guise of caring for the people, defend their own selfish interests.

Unfounded nonsense. Facts leaked to the studio. But did you know, for example, that the Ukrops have passport information for most of the SVO members? Who leaked them? Was that also Telegram?

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: Ludoman

Who leaked them? Also a telegram?

Telegram is one of them. Intelligence agencies easily obtain information about relatives and their geolocations through this messaging app, and then the scammers from the Center for Information and Optics Operations operate. They pose as volunteers, and they probably even bring "humanitarian aid" as a cover. Anyone unfamiliar with Western intelligence methods can hardly imagine the opportunities for blackmail and terrorism this Telegram opens.

[Ludoman]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

Quote: Ludoman

Who leaked them? Also a telegram?

Telegram is one of them. Intelligence agencies easily obtain information about relatives and their geolocations through this messaging app, and then the scammers from the Center for Information and Optics Operations operate. They pose as volunteers, and they probably even bring "humanitarian aid" as a cover. Anyone unfamiliar with Western intelligence methods can hardly imagine the opportunities for blackmail and terrorism this Telegram opens.

I don't care what you say, give me the facts, okay? The scammers are still calling my mother on her regular cell phone and text messages, so here's another fact for you.

It is difficult for someone unfamiliar with the work of Western intelligence agencies to even imagine the opportunities for blackmail and terrorism this cart opens up.

You're obviously a close friend, right? Get the leaked facts here, now! Or don't write to me anymore.
P.S. So far, only one agency, Roskomnadzor (RKN), has committed a terrorist attack against me, with the support of the government.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Vitaly_pvo

which Western intelligence agencies receive online thanks to traitors like Mironov.

Wow! Such sweeping accusations require irrefutable evidence, which you undoubtedly have. I'd be curious to see.

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: Montezuma

It would be interesting to look

No problem at all. I'll talk to Snowden or Assange now. They have nothing to lose, and there are still plenty of facts left. All for you, and completely free.

[Junior Private]

I know our guys on Lenta use Telegram; they need it. Sometimes, on the front lines, they completely cut off all internet access. Durov is a shady guy, and it's pretty clear who he's under. And he refuses to delete bad chats. So how can we figure this out?

[Azim77]

Quote: Junior Private

And how can we figure this out?

Speculation on this topic is rife on both sides, each with heated arguments at hand. From an outside perspective, the situation should be compared not with Iran, but with China. China has WeChat. And it's not just a messenger; it has long since evolved into a full-fledged digital ecosystem, encompassing payments, mini-apps, e-commerce, government services, search, advertising, and business tools. WeChat is tightly integrated with China's government system. MAX will likely serve as such a national super app. It's possible Durov was even initially offered the opportunity to develop Telegram, but the Russian market proved too small for him. Therefore, the issue of blocking or slowing down Telegram is now relegating one of the chat apps, along with others, to the common back burner.

[Askold65]

Quote: Azim77

MAX will most likely serve as such a national super-app.

To become one, we first had to ensure the messenger's security, especially for those who use it for work.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Askold65

Quote: Azim77
MAX will most likely serve as such a national super-app.

To become one, we first had to take care of the messenger's security, especially for those who use it for work.

I suspect Telegram wasn't perfect right away, and MAX will also be polished to be a suitable option for everyone. I installed it back in June, at the request of a neighbor who was moving to China—just to try it out, since Telegram is banned there. Messages, photos, and videos—everything worked fine. I've been using both apps ever since. Incidentally, there have been a lot of updates since the summer, so improvements are ongoing. I've backed up almost all the Telegram channels I'm subscribed to in MAX, and everything works fine.

[foxes]

They started scoring political points before the elections.

[Alexander Vanichev]

Should those who suggest sending others be sent to the front?

[gridasov]

It's always tempting to think that at the pinnacle of power there are literate people who will measure seven times and cut once before making a decision. BUT, we've seen time and again that those at the top are oblivious to the clouds and unable to see the ground. This is a problem with personnel selection and education. A state can't be sustained by manual decisions alone. It's necessary to develop algorithms for various perspectives and factors that influence events. Mathematical knowledge must be instilled in the people, specifically at various levels of government, rather than relying solely on sympathy or the creation of clans or teams of cronies.

[pharmacist]

At one time, Soviet textbooks wrote about how the Tsar opposed the creation of the State Duma and its work after it emerged as a result of the 1905-07 revolution. Over time, you begin to understand why.

[Junior Private]

The Duma was dissolved more than once. And all the Guchkovs and Purishkeviches were bought up by foreign intelligence agencies.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

There is also the option of sending Mironov to the front with his children and grandchildren.

[Andobor]

Quote: Mikhail Nasharashev

There is also the option of sending Mironov to the front with his children and grandchildren.

He needs to be sent to a cage, not to the front, and they won’t take him from a cage to the front for 72 years.
Sergei Mironov's family owns an elite apartment in Moscow worth 350 million rubles, which is almost 70 times more than the politician's officially declared annual income.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Listen, well, Dolina also owned an apartment for 150 million, that doesn't mean she bought it, the city gave her a meadow, someone could have given this guy an apartment for something.

[Gardamir]

Why not supporters of maHa?

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Why not supporters of maHa?
has he arrived yet?

[chingachguc]

Telegram is currently a hotbed of drug dealers, fraudsters, terrorists, and SBU saboteurs. This is a real danger. Crocus and the assassination attempt on Alekseev—isn't that enough?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: chingachguc

Telegram is currently a hotbed

What is the most popular murder weapon?

[Volodin]

Quote: chingachguc

Telegram is currently a hotbed of drug dealers, fraudsters, terrorists, and SBU saboteurs. This is a real danger. Crocus and the assassination attempt on Alekseev—isn't that enough?

At the same time, Telegram is an excellent means of coordinating our guys on the front lines in the absence of a sufficient number of domestic, functioning encrypted communication systems.

[chingachguc]

Can't you coordinate in Max? Isn't that a great tool?

[Volodin]

Quote: chingachguc

Can't you coordinate in Max? Isn't that a great tool?

Dude, Max isn't working on most parts of the front.

[chingachguc]

Doesn't work where there is no internet

[Volodin]

Quote: chingachguc

Doesn't work where there is no internet

So Max positions himself as capable of working even without internet access... That's the first point. Secondly, unfortunately, he doesn't work in conflict zones or anywhere where there's internet access.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It's no longer working anywhere. I just received a message sent 24 hours ago. It's overloaded, the equipment can't cope. This is a conceptual error on the part of the developers.

[Horon]

At the same time, Telegram is an excellent means of coordinating our guys on the front.

Rather not excellent, but accessible because the enemy also uses it, so it doesn’t jam.

[Volodin]

Quote: Horon

Rather not excellent, but affordable

Agreed. A more accurate term in these circumstances.

[Horon]

Quote: chingachguc

Telegram is currently a hotbed of drug dealers, fraudsters, terrorists, and SBU saboteurs. This is a real danger. Crocus and the assassination attempt on Alekseev—isn't that enough?

Just Telegram? There are so many ways to communicate, especially with the internet, and even with a local network, you can always set up a communication channel with the right desire and technical support. Telegram is just the simplest and most accessible method right now. It won't be used by VK, Max, Odnoklassniki, or regular SMS and phone services.

[chingachguc]

But Telegram has end-to-end encryption, making it impossible to track. I believe this entire message flow should be monitored not even by humans, but by AI, which uses specific algorithms to identify dangerous user interests and topics. Such users are then flagged, and then humans can intervene. This is called crime prevention, and you're the ones screaming loudest—where are the intelligence agencies looking when something happens?

[Horon]

But Telegram has end-to-end encryption and is impossible to track.

What about Max? Or do you think only our intelligence agencies can track it? Is there anything stopping an attacker from using the same encryption principles that were used back in the days of pigeon post, or do you think the current generation is so dumb they can't figure out a way to hide meaning in open communication channels?

I believe that it should be not even people who are under surveillance, but AI that, using certain algorithms, identifies dangerous interests and topics of users.

The further a person gets from technology, the more mystical they attribute it. Even now, AI has very mixed statistics on detected violations. It's certainly a good tool, but only in hands that require intelligence. And your understanding of data moderation is close to kindergarten. I wrote above that it's possible to encrypt information without digital tools, but what will AI find there? A conversation between two girlfriends about going to the theater or shopping?

This is called crime prevention, you yourself are the ones shouting the loudest - where are the special services looking when something happens.

If prevention means sitting on your ass in front of a computer and relying on AI, then such prevention is worthless. Prevention is a complex of measures to prevent crime, and reading the criminal's correspondence is only part of the process. No one can monitor all online correspondence, even with AI and direct access.

[chingachguc]

You wouldn't start a conspiracy theory with a swindler. Secure communication channels existed even under Stirlitz. But they weren't widespread; you have to abandon the residents. Telegram is a wonderful breeding ground for confidentiality. And what's important is that it's widespread. There's a school near my house, and all the fences are covered with drug ads through Telegram.

[Horon]

There's a school near my house, and all the fences are covered in drug ads from Telegram.

Who told you this? I have information that drug dealers often have their own groups on VK (and this is from the police). They also appear on Telegram, but less often; on VK, they have a hothouse environment.

You wouldn't start a conspiracy theory with a scammer.

I don’t, but scammers mostly call me on a regular phone and this doesn’t really help with finding them.

And secure communication channels existed under Stirlitz too.

Really? Ever heard of direction finding or frequency scanning? A channel only becomes secure when it's closed, meaning unidentified subscribers can't connect to it. Previously, only cable communications met these requirements, and not all of them. The cable had to be protected from external connections. Encryption isn't a channel, it's just encryption. It provides some protection from reading, but not from interception. Therefore, having a secure cable (which was also hacked and tapped) during World War II and until practically the end of the 20th century was something only governments could afford, and it wasn't available to everyone.

And Telegram is a wonderful hotbed of privacy.

It's surprising, but what's wrong with people wanting their own "sandbox"? You wouldn't have sex on the street, and you wouldn't want your business clients stolen just because you talked about it in the public square. Privacy is a natural desire and a right for others. I think you're headed in the wrong direction. The problem isn't privacy, it's that someone is lying.
P.S. If a scam doesn't provide that same confidentiality (and I'm not talking about the intelligence agencies), then it's a megaphone in the square and a terrarium all in one, where any user becomes an insect for any curious onlooker. You couldn't have done worse advertising for a scam.

[chingachguc]

The secret services aren't interested in your personal sex life. And anyway, it's unrealistic to wiretap absolutely everyone. There are algorithms that search for potential criminals and saboteurs, monitor content, and then it's just a matter of technique. Telegram, in this sense, is a closed zone. It's not wiretapped or monitored, and that's where the recruitment takes place.

[Horon]

Telegram is a closed zone in this sense.

Really? How do the secret services catch them now?

It is not bugged or monitored, and that is where the recruitment takes place.

It's completely unmonitored only due to a lack of resources, not because it's closed. The same thing will happen with a MAX – "I'm hungry, but I can't find the strength." (c) I already wrote about VK; the story with a MAX will be the same, and even linking the profile to documents won't help; they'll end up with a homeless person or some pensioner.

The secret service is not interested in your personal sex.

Yes, but it is of interest to all sorts of scammers, and Mach, with its free access and universal admin keys, provides excellent opportunities for scammers (especially if you remember that even banks periodically "lose" client databases).

[chingachguc]

How does Yandex, for example, predict your preferences and bombard you with relevant ads? It's the same here. If you browse dubious websites that tell you how to collect VUs, you're already on the radar. You can create such a blog on Telegram, and the FSB won't know about it. More precisely, they won't be able to obtain your subscribers' addresses. And the SBU is taking full advantage of this.

[Horon]

How does Yandex, for example, calculate your preferences and bombard you with relevant advertising?

All browsers suffer from this. You can create such a blog on Telegram, and the FSB won't know about it. More precisely, they won't be able to obtain subscribers' addresses.

And even better, the culprit would come forward and confess, right? Let's get back to VK. Why do drug dealers feel so comfortable there? You'd be better off reading up on how auto-detection and auto-moderation systems work in specialized literature; then I won't have to lecture you. (And I'm not that well-versed in this stuff to teach anyone.) But the fact that there are methods to circumvent it is a fact. Solving crimes is more about analyzing clues than simply rereading someone else's scribbles, and it mostly doesn't matter whether the connection is encrypted or not, but for scammers, that's precisely what matters.

And the SBU is taking full advantage of this. Search engines.

Why should our intelligence agencies go this route? Religion? Competence? Just don't talk about conscience and honor, that would be like kindergarten.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and I would ask the question WHY doesn’t our military have its own communication system?

[Akuzenka]

Because no one sold it to them, and they dispersed their scientific personnel for the sake of optimization.

[Mazunga]

And then the general responsible for that connection... was jailed, in short. https://www.rbc.ru/society/17/05/2025/6827eddb9a79477c4e81d307

[Horon]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and I would ask the question WHY doesn’t our military have its own communication system?

The correct question!
He will raise many other questions, the answers to which will sound like: "I couldn't."

[Mazunga]

Erebovich, don't you believe in the domestic auto industry? That's extremely unpatriotic.

[Horon]

Quote from Mazunga

Erebovich, don't you believe in the domestic auto industry? That's extremely unpatriotic.

Well, of course, I drove a 7 for seven years and needed fewer repairs than my neighbor with his Mercedes, and I drove through gullies he wouldn't dare even under threat of execution. But that doesn't mean the 7 is the best car; it was simply the most suitable for those purposes, that's all.

[Gavrilo Princip]

Do you want the plantings to continue?

[know]

I wonder how much Mr. Durov paid him?

[Akuzenka]

Unfortunately, we won't know, but I'm really curious how much such services cost. Just curious.

[musorg]

Mironov suggested sending those who decided to slow down Telegram to the front lines. Does he even know a couple of reasons why Roskomnadzor is doing this? He's a populist without a future! Tell the people how Telegram violates our laws and what the impact has been.

[Horon]

Tell the people how Telega is violating our laws and what the impact has been.

VK doesn't suffer from this, does it?

[akropin]

A full copy with contacts and normal image transfer and calls. Videos are lagging. https://telega.me/?mt_click_id=mt-um1s41-1770880493-2157650501

[APASUS]

This speech yesterday blew me away! Who are these, the housing and utilities plumbers in Birobidzhan, who are making their own laws and regulations and are outraged?

[Akuzenka]

Sergei Mironov, leader of the political party "A Just Russia," proposed sending those who decided to slow down Telegram to the front lines. He believes that being in the SVO zone will help them come to their senses.

Wow, I didn't know deputies had clever ideas! Maybe his aides suggested it, or his business was ruined by the blocking.

[gribanov.c]

All the elite should go through, they can be sent straight away with their foreign cars, cut a hatch in the roof, put a machine gun on the turret, and let one representative of the elite be behind the wheel, the second behind the machine gun, and form assault battalions from these "technicals" and let them go on the attack. The minister is dragging a machine gun, now he will enter the battle
According to popular logic, if someone proposes something, they must personally carry it out. Okay, so according to our popular logic, it should be applied to everyone, everywhere. A commander proposes some combat operations—he must personally carry them out, with a machine gun and a grenade. A chief of staff has developed an operation—he must personally follow all the arrows on the map he drew, with the "lads," in assaults, in assaults. And so on.
I support Mironov's proposal.

[igorra]

The United Russia party, in full force, was sent to the front. And the deputies were sent to penal battalions, with no right of return until victory.

[DO]

The guys who shed blood, their only connection is with their family and loved ones!

Why is it the only one? If someone doesn't want to install Max, there are other free messengers, like the Russian TamTam, or VK.

[Ambrose]

Heh-heh, the Duma elections are just around the corner.

[north 2]

Mironov is a real Zyuganov! The thing is, Mironov certainly knows the names of those who ordered and slowed down Telegram, effectively blocking it. But no, he got by with a populist phrase without naming names. And so sternly: march to the front lines! And who exactly is marching?

[paul3390]

While diligently shutting down all communication with the outside world, our ban-makers somehow only consider the danger of their propaganda influencing our supposedly immature minds. And the fact that there were a ton of our own channels there, allowing us to at least somehow convey our view of what was happening to the local population—it seems no one even considered it. That's right—for us, it's always been much easier to ban than to try to outplay the enemy on their own turf. There, you have to work diligently, methodically, and professionally. There may be setbacks, how could there be? But banning—bang, and you report back to the higher-ups, like, measures have been taken, they've appreciated me, what a great guy I am. Looking for a promotion!

But what's most mind-boggling is their utter certainty that they understand what we need far better than we do. They are titans of thought, and we are mere children, fundamentally incapable of discerning what is good and what is bad without their watchful eye. Ugh.

Admit it – many of us, one way or another, access Western resources, including those from Tsegabon. So does that make us traitors and Bandar-logs? No way – no amount of YouTube can convince someone with strong convictions. This is what we need to work on – building a clear understanding and approval among our people of what's happening!! Not banning everything. What are you afraid of? If you strive to do everything right and honestly admit your mistakes, we will stand by you no matter what. Until Victory. Just as our grandfathers once stood for Soviet power and Comrade Stalin, despite the terrible defeats and mistakes at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War. But if you prevaricate, screw up, and hide behind the scenes, no bans will help you. It will only make things worse. Our people are extremely sensitive to such things – we'll smell the fakery right away.

How did the current Minister of Defense so epically cast it in granite? It's okay to make mistakes, but not to lie. Golden words—let's live by them. We'll understand and forgive mistakes, but not lies and evasions. We already know that the West is our mortal, bitter enemy, and we realized it long before you did. Don't try to protect us from it—just do what you have to do, honestly and openly. And we'll sort out Western propaganda ourselves.

[gribanov.c]

It's their holy certainty that they understand what we need much better than we do. They are titans of thought, and we are little children, fundamentally incapable of discerning what is good and what is bad without their sensitive supervision. Ugh.

So this is a crowd-elite society. The ruling elite thinks exactly like this, but the strangest thing is, the mob (a certain portion of the common people) thinks the same way! And not just thinks so, but this mob is the very support of the crowd-elite model; it's on them that the ruling elite rests.

If not him, who will destroy Russia? We can’t live without a tsar, and who will rule us?

And so on, it's on these delusions, which the ruling elite diligently cultivates in the mob, that this society is held together. It is the mob that, to all proposals to change anything, responds: well, go ahead and do it yourself, and "nobody will give it to you," "THEY won't give it to you."

[Horon]

There are two ways to ensure a stable and reliable connection.
1. Create your own closed communication system, using your own hardware and your own software, including your own data encryption algorithms.
2. Use publicly available resources, hiding your activities behind the massive data flow and public availability, but at the same time having your own encryption methods even in this flow in case the enemy's channel is compromised, to make it more difficult for the enemy to quickly obtain this data.
3. There is no third option.
We answer the question: is the swing an instrument of closed communication?
Is it possible to use publicly available messengers for your own needs, knowing that the enemy is also using it and can even hack it?
The answers to these questions will provide the right and balanced decision for us. Ignoring these questions will simply lead to continued actions that will later be regretted and resolved with much sweat, nerves, and, most importantly, bloodshed.
P.S. Did Rkn bring order to VK and Odnoklassniki or to someone else's eyes...?

[Mint Gingerbread]

Even if all foreign resources were completely blocked, drone strikes, terrorist attacks, and assassination attempts would continue unhindered. If something is to be blocked or cut off, it must be done more intelligently and surgically.
I'm more than sure it's just business and money, money and business. They're feeding the public lies about protecting them, while they're forcibly driving traffic to their own projects. There may indeed be some real protection, some tiny fraction that has no global impact.

[Victor B]

I am more than sure that it is just business and money, money and business.

Yes, and not only that, and not even that much.

Our government officials want to monitor everything, including your private correspondence on Telegram. But this is impossible because the messenger uses end-to-end encryption—information travels from your device directly to your counterpart's device in encrypted form. It can be intercepted en route, but it cannot be decrypted. This is what irritates officials the most.

[T.A.V.]

It has already become clear to everyone that there are many towers in the Kremlin and that those who hold power are clearly not those who want the country to be strong.

[creep: b]

I'm wondering why everyone's so hung up on Telegram if Max isn't any different at all? Are our intelligence agencies monitoring Max? They're monitoring Telegram, too. But the French are definitely monitoring Telegram now, too, because Durov has 100% given everything up to them, while foreign intelligence agencies most likely can't monitor Max yet.

[Victor B]

Are our intelligence agencies keeping an eye on Max? They're keeping an eye on the cart, too.

Our intelligence agencies monitor everything and can read what you write on MAX, but they can't read your Telegram messages. That's the whole difference.

[maiman61]

These aren't pests, they're enemies! I haven't seen a single sane one.

[Ball]

Quote: Svetlana

Which, in turn, can transmit all information to Ukrainians in real time.

These whiners and hopeless losers are insufficiently intelligent enough to grasp such simple truths. They're still choking on their hysterics, crying, "Why do we even need this SVO??!!" And yet, they firmly believe that without the miracle Telegram, this foreign and uncontrolled messenger, the entire Russian army will be left without communications.

[Ball]

Quote: creep out: b

I have a question: why is everyone so hung up on Telegram if Max is no different at all?

The Minors need to whine. It doesn't matter what the issue is, the main thing is "...against this government..."

Quote: creep out: b

Are our intelligence agencies monitoring Max? They're monitoring Telegram, too. But the French are definitely monitoring Telegram now, too, because Durov has 100% given everything up to them, while foreign intelligence agencies likely can't monitor Max yet.

"...you don't understand, this is something else...!" ©

[voicem]

The old guy decided to remind everyone of his presence, popping up on a hot topic. And we all know what pops up. He probably doesn't even know what Telegram is.

[Romanenko]

Sergey Mironov proposed sending those who decided to slow down Telegram to the front.

We can't send officials to the front lines; they cause a lot of damage in the rear, and it will be even worse there. Unless we figure out how to get them to serve in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, then of course, YES!
As for his praise of MAKS, one must understand that Mironov is not a man without irony.
He actually said a lot of interesting things, but the article focused on nonsense. Was that a coincidence? Or did Mom not allow it?

[cocks]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: chingachguc

Doesn't work where there is no internet

So Max positions himself as capable of working even without internet access... That's the first point. Secondly, unfortunately, he doesn't work in conflict zones or anywhere where there's internet access.

Thank you for your prompt response! I only got a strike for Erdogan, and after my "smart" thought about MAX's work, I couldn't find anything but obscenities in response.

[Million]

Why is Putin silent? Doesn't he listen to the military?

[TURAR]

I wonder if Durov wakes up tomorrow and decides to shut down the project for Russia! What will we do? It's like with our auto industry; it's cheaper in China, that's why they don't have their own transmission! And Durov will be followed, and he'll shut everything down...

[oleg_627]

We have three times more ministerial workers in our country than in the USSR, plus a useless central bank with 45 bayonets. We could open a second front.

[nikniknik]

Well, they're doing it the hard way, not by whining, but by rolling. They did the same thing at one point with Viber and WhatsApp, which were a huge help to our troops on the LBS. Our valiant Roskomnadzor shut it all down overnight, unbeknownst to our troops, and as a result, no one will ever know how many were wounded and killed. Moreover, Roskomnadzor officially explained that they were forced to do this because they weren't providing a full report to our security forces regarding their requests for information about subscribers and their connections. Furthermore, we need to somehow lobby for the interests of our oligarchy; who has access to the highest echelons of power to shovel money through MAKS?

[sir Garry]

Quote: ROSS 42

has no right to change the interpretation of articles of the Constitution

The key words are "by any LEGAL means." That's the whole point, not even blocking, but slowing down. And yes! I'm also against limiting Telegram. Max is still very, very rough and unpolished.

[sir Garry]

Quote: Million

Why is Putin silent? Doesn't he listen to the military?

Did the military say anything to him about this?

[sir Garry]

Quote: VictorB

Our intelligence agencies monitor everything and can read what you write on MAX, but they can't read your Telegram messages. That's the whole difference.

Believe me, they can! And how! They don't care which messenger it is or who owns it.

[Victor B]

They could have read it quietly, without making any noise.

If you don’t believe me, ask information security experts.
They can only do this if the phone itself is hacked.

[Peaceful SEO]

Quote: Svetlana

Now explain what the deputies' iPhones have to do with this? Considering that many probably prefer Android.

So, iPhones are completely nonfunctional if they're not connected to the cloud. Now, guess in three tries where the Apple Cloud servers are located?

[Gavrilo Princip]

Probably in Skolkovo after trillions of investments and Rusnano.

[Maikcg]

Another idiot, the front is not a punishment, they should be sent to the zone, with the confiscation of property from these saboteurs.

[Word]

He speaks truthfully, but somehow clumsily. Has he grown feeble with age, or has he always been like this? People are defending their homeland, and this demon sees it as punishment.

[Gavrilo Princip]

And I look closely. I think, what kind of grandfather is this?

[Yuri L]

It turns out it's so easy to find traitors in Russia. Look at Roskomnadzor. Of course, the traitors there huddled together and made decisions about Telegram completely independently. And absolutely no one can influence or direct Roskomnadzor. What a disaster...

[sir Garry]

Quote: VictorB

If you don’t believe me, ask information security experts.
They can only do this if the phone itself is hacked.

A naive misconception! That's your right, though. But consider this: why are all "infosecurity specialists" registered with the FSB?

[Phoenix Point]

Telegram didn't meet Russia's conditions. Telegram was shut down. What's wrong? Keep your emotions to yourself. And don't selectively quote the Constitution. Market competition is a thing of the past—we already live in a world of state protectionism and the strengthening of monopolies, while Pasha and his ideas are stuck somewhere between the 2000s and 2010s. Similarly, the US took control of TikTok, which American corporations didn't compete with, but instead, through state pressure, wrested from the Chinese.

The times of competition may return, but certainly not during a period of transformation of the world order, where naive dreams of a "market that will decide" may resurface after a period of harsh reality, where directive control, state and corporate censorship, and the instrumentalization of social media as a weapon of information warfare, subversion, and terror are on the rise.

In fact, Pasha himself recently expressed all this about Europe and the United States, accusing them of also falling far short of his dreams. Russia and China are no exception. The only difference with Russia is that, as with many other issues, we're doing this belatedly and, as usual, rather crudely. They didn't seize business through a multi-stage process like TikTok in the US, but rather bluntly and bluntly slowed it down. Although, of course, if not for the war, everything could have been more drawn out, like during the seizure of VK from Durov.

The end result is the same in any case: each major macro-island will have a narrow list of "its own services" and will harass others' services. It's impossible to have it both ways. You can run between the squabbling imperialist predators for a while, but ultimately, you'll either have to choose a side or be torn apart by both. Actually, Pasha was shown this clearly when he flew to Paris for a meal and was mercilessly plied because NATO intelligence wanted the keys to Telegram.