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Anti-Russian side of the Circassian issue

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Anti-Russian side of the Circassian issueIn the 9 days of May holidays, which were donated to Russians at the legislative level this year, a very interesting event from the point of view of Russia's authority in the international arena was almost lost. We are talking about a rather strange appeal (by the way, not the first) of several Circassian organizations of the North Caucasus of the Russian Federation to President Vladimir Putin. This letter consisted of two parts, which should be commented on separately.


In the first part of the appeal to the President of Russia, representatives of Circassian public organizations of the Krasnodar Territory, the Republics of Adygea and Karachay-Cherkessia ask to pay attention to the difficult situation of the Syrian Circassians. The appeal, in particular, states that the humanitarian catastrophe in Syria is gaining momentum, and that the number of Circassian refugees, whose ancestors once inhabited the Russian Empire, is rapidly increasing. Moreover, Circassian refugees are accepted by various states: Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, while Russia is still somewhat distancing from this problem. (In fact, over the past two years, up to 1,5 thousands of Circassians arrived in Syria from Russia. Really did not know who applied to Putin? Everything was well known, just the whole essence of the appeal lies in the second part of the “letter” - author's note). In this regard, Vladimir Putin was called upon to quickly draw attention to the difficult situation of Circassian refugees trying to escape from the war in Syria, and to enable them, as descendants of compatriots, to return to the territory of Russia. At the same time, there are words in the address that seem to hint at the Russian president that it will be good if Russia meets refugees of Circassian nationality from Syria, and that it will be very bad if the same Circassian refugees continue, let's say, to settle on the territory of other states or remain in Syria.

We give a specific quote from the circulation:
Representatives of the Circassian community in Syria may be in the focus of the active influence of the special services of the states hostile to Russia in the region, which in the long run threatens security in the North Caucasus region. In contrast to this, the Circassians of Syria who have arrived in Russia are under the effective control of state institutions and are actively integrating into the Russian sociocultural space.


Obviously, in these words there is, if not a threat, then some warning that it’s time for the Kremlin to start thinking about the issue of the Circassian population who would like to return to Russia.

Of course, in the return of the Circassians to historical There is nothing reprehensible to the homeland of their ancestors - to the North Caucasus. And, perhaps, the issue of providing some simplified options for a stable entry into Russia of the Syrian Circassians would be resolved over time. But…

This “but” appears after the publication of the second part of the letter from all those Circassian public organizations operating in the territory of the North Caucasian republics, as well as the Krasnodar Territory. The second part of the letter is not even a message to the president of Russia, but the most real extension of a parallel demand. It turns out that the authorities of the Russian Federation not only have to open a corridor for the Circassian refugees from Syria to enter the country, but still, no less, recognize the genocide of the Circassian people in the 19 century by the authorities of the then with all the consequences ...

Obviously, the authors-writers of this appeal to the President of Russia, who missed this appeal through several news outlets, are still in a certain euphoria about what happened in the 2011 year in Georgia. 20 May official Tbilisi recognized that the Russian Empire, they say, committed the Circassian genocide during the Caucasian Wars. The question is, what attitude does Georgia have to the recognition of the so-called genocide of the Circassians in Russia of the 19 model? Yes, in principle, no ... Just then the Georgian authorities were looking for any attempt to at least annoy Russia after their failure in South Ossetia and the loss of both South Ossetia proper and in addition to Abkhazia.

Exactly at the same time (2011 year) maps of "Great Circassia" began to be published - a state that, according to Georgian and American "cartographers", once extended from the Black Sea in the south to the Sea of ​​Azov in the north, from the Taman Peninsula in the west to modern Grozny on east. The fact that no Greater Circassia has ever existed in the Caucasus, and in its place far different tribes did not coexist peacefully, led by princes who were eager for neighbors' good, were of little concern to those “cartographers”. Indeed, modern “democratically” minded forces present history and historical geography not in a form that coincides with objective reality, but in a form that is convenient for them. Based on the hastily concocted map of "Great Circassia" and the Georgian president personally recognizing the genocide of the Circassians in the Russian Empire, the first slogans were heard about the creation of an independent Circassian state in the place where the Russian North Caucasian republics are today. It is noteworthy in this story that the inhabitants of the North Caucasus themselves (well, the same Circassians from Karachay-Cherkessia, for example) were not going to ask. You give independent "Great Circassia" - and that’s it ...

However, after Mikhail Saakashvili began to rapidly lose his overseas support, and the so-called democratic Circassian communities somewhat diminished in terms of talk about the need for the Russian authorities to recognize the genocide of their ancestors. And today - new slogans, new requirements. What is it for?..

In fact, there is no big mystery here. Saakashvili as an experimental policy for taking measures to destabilize the situation in Russia is a material, from the point of view of the West, worked out. The new “biomaterial” with the more tenacious grip of the same West (in the broad sense of the word) did not have time to grow, but apparently managed to compare such events as the Sochi Olympics and the “unresolved question of the Circassian people.” Well, this is about the same thing that was observed in Tibet on the eve of the Beijing Summer Olympics: the hysterical cries that China organized the Tibetan genocide infringes on its rights and does not allow Tibetan monks to develop democratically ... At the same time, people from Lhasa appeared, where people in orange Tibetan robes (not the fact that Tibetans) arrange for the self-immolation, protesting against the holding of the Olympics in the capital of China. And at the same time, Western media quickly got hooked on protest actions that Tibetan “refugees” were conducting in other countries of the world.
And now a kind of deja vu. So far, thank God, no self-immolations, but, for example, in Turkey there are rallies of people in black clothes with green flags and banners, which read slogans that Sochi is a place of genocide of the Circassian people. Who are these shares for? So it is known on whom. On the main defenders of the "democratic" principles in the universe. Perhaps one of the star athletes will see such a broadcast and say: well, no, I will not go to the Olympics in Sochi, because they were exterminating people there. Who, whom, when and for what reason he exterminated, and whether he exterminated at all - here is the tenth point, the main thing is to attract “democratic” attention.

That is why the appeal of those Circassian public organizations to President Putin is nothing but a pure provocation. Surprisingly, this letter did not yet include a clause stating that Russia should urgently recognize the independence of the “Great Circassia”, retreating to about the current Rostov-on-Don ... And the only antidote to any provocation is to highlight the historical truth. And this historical truth suggests that the so-called genocide of the Circassians is a concept that began to be actively cultivated only after the collapse of the Soviet Union, with the explicit goal of continuing the fragmentation of a large country.

How can one generally speak in this case about some kind of genocide, if for centuries the same Circassians (to which, generally speaking, several Caucasian peoples belong) did not just maintain their cultural identity, traditions, language, but also got their own republic. Is there a lot on the map today you can find the Circassian republics in the Middle East, where several thousand Circassians emigrated from Russia in the 19 century?

How can we talk about some kind of genocide of the Circassian people, if it was the Russian army that actually saved them from slave labor, which was exploited by the local princes. By the way, it was the liberation of ordinary Circassians from serfdom in the North Caucasus, and was the cause of the anger that the then Circassian nobility was harboring on Russia. It seems that it is on this genetic malice of the descendants of the Circassian nobility that the forces interested in weakening the Russian positions in the Caucasus are now trying to “leave” skillfully.

Well, in general, the closer a large international event, such as the Russian (Sochi) Olympiad, the more the new truth about Russia will be born. Nothing ... The Chinese have survived, Russia will survive too ...
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  1. radio operator
    radio operator 13 May 2013 08: 30 New
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    Yes, the Circassians can give a surprise during the Olympics in Sochi.
    We must keep an eye on them and play ahead of the curve.
    Circassians, of course, are not Chechens, but they are capable of drinking blood.
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        1. Larus
          Larus 13 May 2013 09: 46 New
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          Therefore, he and 2 and 3, the first one has already been banned. But in general I do not see anything surprising in this, because. our friends of what century in the Caucasus find people who say anything for money. Their Christ-sellers in Moscow are sitting and quietly rubbing at us that everything is just awful and they are waiting for NATO tanks ....
        2. radio operator
          radio operator 13 May 2013 15: 16 New
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          Quote: Rustam09
          howling nickname boob does not correspond to you (reasonable), your ass and brains are black. Because of people like you, xenophobia is flourishing. First, figure out what nations you live in and learn to respectfully respond to.

          Dear Rustam, what have I shown disrespect?
          Did Stalin also disrespect Vainakh in the 44 year by sending them?
          There are signals from places about the "Olympic" performances of the Circassians - the authorities will react. That's all.
          Quote: Rustam09
          First, figure out what nations you live in and learn to respectfully respond to.

          I was born in Grozny, and I have many Chechen friends. They pride themselves on being nokhchi and venerating Baysangur Benoisky, an irreconcilable Chechen who died in the Caucasian war, and I respect Alexei Petrovich Ermolov, the Russian general who conquered the mountaineer. But this does not stop us from respecting each other. There are always moral limits below which you cannot go.
          1. Rustam009
            Rustam009 14 May 2013 09: 12 New
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            Dear Radio Operator or Reasonable, I do not know your real nickname. But expressions like “black” or “I hate you black” are the essence of a narrow-minded Nazi and xenophobe. As for skin color, for your information, my skin is much whiter than yours and there are no blacks here. And for your information there will be nothing extraordinary at the Olympics in Sochi, just a question was raised to draw attention to the problem and the opportunity to solve.
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 14 May 2013 11: 15 New
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              Quote: Rustam09
              Dear Radio Operator or Reasonable, I do not know your real nickname.

              Good afternoon, Rustam!
              My name is Sergey Zaichenko, if that interests you.
              Quote: Rustam09
              But expressions such as “black” or “I hate you black” are the essence of a narrow-minded Nazi and xenophobe. As for skin color, for your information, my skin is much whiter than yours and there are no blacks here.

              I have to disappoint you I NEVER SPEAK SUCH WORDS. For two reasons: firstly, I was accustomed to the fact that sooner or later I should be responsible for my words; Secondly, I am Russian, but I respect all nations.
              And anyway, why did you decide to attribute these words to me?
              Quote: Rustam09
              And for your information there will be nothing extraordinary at the Olympics in Sochi, just a question was raised to draw attention to the problem and the opportunity to solve.

              God grant! This is great news.
              1. Rustam009
                Rustam009 14 May 2013 11: 37 New
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                Sergey, if these expressions are not yours, I offer my sincere apologies. I sat alone on the site under the pseudonym Reasonable and I decided that it was you when you brought an excerpt from my comment. Once again, I apologize for my harsh remarks regarding you and, in general, I am ashamed to myself like some. Sorry again. C / a Rustam.
                1. radio operator
                  radio operator 17 May 2013 07: 52 New
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                  Quote: Rustam09
                  I sat alone on the site under the pseudonym Reasonable and I decided that it was you when you brought an excerpt from my comment.

                  No offense, absolutely, believe me. We can all be wrong.
                  We will be more generous (not to be confused with tolerance) to each other.
                  And in general, I am grateful to my small Motherland, the Caucasus, for teaching me to always remember that I am a man.
                  All the best, Good and Peace to you and your family.
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 13 May 2013 09: 50 New
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        Yes, all black us at the Olympics "surprises" will do




        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 13 May 2013 11: 21 New
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          These people go to the Olympics ONLY for their own sake, for the sake of money and fame. These medals, like the Olympic Games in Sochi, will not give anything to ordinary people, they will not make life better. People who won a pissing piece of metal get tons of dough, fame, and so on. And people who really make life better, doctors, teachers, ministry specialists and others are paid a penny, although they work hard day and night.
          1. Armata
            Armata 13 May 2013 17: 47 New
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            Quote: Krasnoyarets
            These people go to the Olympics ONLY for their own sake, for the sake of money and fame. These medals, like the Olympic Games in Sochi, will not give anything to ordinary people, they will not make life better. People who won a pissing piece of metal get tons of dough, fame, and so on. And people who really make life better, doctors, teachers, ministry specialists and others are paid a penny, although they work hard day and night.
            I don’t know who removed you, but you are telling the truth. Therefore, I simply quote.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 13 May 2013 18: 32 New
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              pissing piece of metal
              Krasnoyarsk, if you snatched from the Caucasians, then you don’t need to transfer it to sports. You’ll understand the hell out of pseudo-patriots here. When our people in Vancouver performed mildly weakly, they reproached them for the floor of the country. How they won, they added pictures here. So what? If they are they speaking for themselves? when the Olympics passed in London half of the country added up the results of the former Soviet republics and said that we are the strongest when together. which ones do you add then which are you proud and plyusovat? Roma Vlasov was discussed here on the site, bad? if you are not paid an adequate salary what do they need to take away from them? go and get a human relationship with you. sport is of no benefit to him. yes, the guys look at Ovechkin’s pictures with their mouths open, thanks to the propaganda of the sport, they started to go out into the yards, into boxes. They dream of practicing with Karelin. Is it bad? We have people leaving for Europe to attend the same skaters. There are few arenas and tracks. And in Sochi such infrastructure will appear. Of course, the main thing is not to poher this all like in Athens. I don’t think we will .can children take an example from you and stick around in the internet and demand a decent attitude? if at least part of the path has passed, along which people go to this "pissed piece" would not say such a thing. and then they wonder why the Russians in the army are being humiliated. why young people are weak. what to save on.
        2. mansur
          mansur 13 May 2013 11: 58 New
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          According to the results of 11 days of the Olympics, Russia won 10 gold medals, which corresponds to the fifth place among all countries in the overall medal standings. The national composition of the medalists is divided approximately equally: Ilya Zakharov (diving), Ivan Ukhov (high diving), Yulia Zaripova (hurdling), Roman Vlasov (Greco-Roman wrestling) and the duet Svetlana Romashina and Natalya Ishchenko (synchronized swimming) ,
          - Alan Khugaev (Greco-Roman wrestling), Tagir Khaibulaev (judo), Arsen Galstyan (judo), Mansur Isaev (judo) and Aliya Mustafina (uneven bars).
          They are all Russians, what could be better, the feeling when at the most prestigious sporting event on the planet where the best of the best from around the world gather, the Russian Anthem sounds and raise the Russian Flag
          1. Lakkuchu
            Lakkuchu 13 May 2013 14: 42 New
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            Quote: mansur
            According to the results of 11 days of the Olympics, Russia won 10 gold medals ...

            By the way, in the last two summer Olympics, it was Caucasians who brought the first gold medals to the piggy bank of the Russian team.
            1. Armata
              Armata 13 May 2013 17: 57 New
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              Quote: Lakkuchu
              By the way, in the last two summer Olympics, it was Caucasians who brought the first gold medals to the piggy bank of the Russian team.
              So what? But when they play the Russian anthem, they prefer to sit. For Russians (if you can call them that) only non-traditional can afford to do so. I apologize in advance for the comparison, but this is a fact. A simple example, Grozny on whose money was rebuilt? With whose money do the republics buy these Kaddilaki and AMG? Why do Russian cities for the most part live in poverty and bend down under the salary policies of Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks and are afraid to go outside so as not to fall under the bullet of a Dag or a Czech. That you have few examples for which their "Love" with us Azerbaijanis and Armenians behave much more decent than these parasites.
              1. Lakkuchu
                Lakkuchu 13 May 2013 18: 29 New
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                Quote: Mechanic
                So what? But when they play the Russian anthem, they prefer to sit.

                I often attend sporting events in our Makhachkala, I have not seen a single one sitting at the Russian anthem.
                Quote: Mechanic
                Whose terrible money rebuilt?

                In any case, he rebuilt, and this suggests that the money goes as intended. And note, this is a city that was completely destroyed as a result of the war and looked no better than Stalingrad.
                Quote: Mechanic
                With whose money do the republics buy the presadas for themselves Kaddilaki and AMG

                What does the condiment have to do with it? In your opinion, the entire population of the republics consists only of preziks? Nobody feeds me personally, I work and earn money myself, like hundreds of thousands of my countrymen, who, unlike some, don’t sit on benches while drinking beer, complaining and cursing the authorities, Jews, Gaster, Caucasians and the whole world, but work in the morning until the evening, because they are used to relying only on themselves.

                Quote: Mechanic
                Why do Russian cities for the most part live in poverty and bend down under the salary policy of Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks and are afraid to go outside so as not to fall under the bullet of a Dag or a Czech.

                Who makes a profit from these same Tajiks and Uzbeks? Is it not Russian bureaucrats, businessmen, cops, FMS nicknames and others? So ask them. As for salaries, the lowest salaries in the country are in the North Caucasus Federal District, here they are really mockingly low. Vinogradov and Pomazun are also Dagi or Czechs?
                1. Armata
                  Armata 13 May 2013 19: 12 New
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                  Quote: Lakkuchu
                  I often attend sporting events in our Makhachkala, I have not seen a single one sitting at the Russian anthem.
                  Duck in his type in Makhachkala for Russian money is worth getting up.
                  Quote: Lakkuchu
                  In any case, he rebuilt, and this suggests that the money goes as intended. And note, this is a city that was completely destroyed as a result of the war and looked no better than Stalingrad.
                  Forgot a question on whose money? And what do your lads do here in Russia?
                  Quote: Lakkuchu
                  What does the condiment have to do with it? In your opinion, the entire population of the republics consists only of preziks? Nobody feeds me personally, I work and earn money myself, like hundreds of thousands of my countrymen, who, unlike some, don’t sit on benches while drinking beer, complaining and cursing the authorities, Jews, Gaster, Caucasians and the whole world, but work in the morning until the evening, because they are used to relying only on themselves.
                  Question. THAN?
                  Quote: Lakkuchu
                  Who makes a profit from these same Tajiks and Uzbeks? Is it not Russian bureaucrats, businessmen, cops, FMS nicknames and others? So ask them. As for salaries, the lowest salaries in the country are in the North Caucasus Federal District, here they are really mockingly low. Vinogradov and Pomazun are also Dagi or Czechs?
                  Oh well .... And Kadyrov, what kind of Russian guys honestly earned on deaths lives? 200 years, fought with your peoples and so, in conscience, do not want to live. I hate what your compatriots do in our city. Because the cops are closer to visitors than to locals. The fact that your traders can kill the Russian and after that dictate to the cops when he comes to them and on what grounds. The fact that yours is still the only gang group that has remained in Yekaterinburg. The fact that your young people do not concede a place on the tram even to their grandmothers (and only those who consider themselves girls and your compatriots in 16-25 years, even though they don’t already have red makassin and Prior in 25, behave this way). Think about what your people respect.
                  1. Lakkuchu
                    Lakkuchu 14 May 2013 09: 11 New
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                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Duck in his type in Makhachkala for Russian money is worth getting up.

                    They don’t get up, now they are up, but for Russian money. Strongest argument))

                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Forgot a question on whose money? And what do your lads do here in Russia?

                    The question is not at the address. I am not a finance minister. All information about who, where, whose and how much can be found on the Ministry of Finance website.
                    What else is my brother? She is as mine as yours. Think what you write.

                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Oh well .... And Kadyrov, what kind of Russian guys honestly earned on deaths lives? 200 years, fought with your peoples and so, in conscience, do not want to live. I hate what your compatriots do in our city. Because the cops are closer to visitors than to locals. The fact that your traders can kill the Russian and after that dictate to the cops when he comes to them and on what grounds. The fact that yours is still the only gang group that has remained in Yekaterinburg. The fact that your young people do not concede a place on the tram even to their grandmothers (and only those who consider themselves girls and your compatriots in 16-25 years, even though they don’t already have red makassin and Prior in 25, behave this way). Think about what your people respect.

                    I don’t care about Kadyrov, I don’t know him. About 200 years of the war .. It wasn’t a fig to climb into the Caucasus. You came to a strange monastery with your charter, what else did you expect? Any people will protect their land. Or is the right of protection against invaders only for the Russian people?
                    While in Russia, I did not see that Russian youth, unlike our youth, gave way to older people. So educate your youth better.

                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Question. THAN?

                    Raids on the Cossack villages, what else can Caucasians do.
                    If you think that I am here to convince you or someone else of something or to prove something to you, you are mistaken. A lot of honor. I’m on a drum whose dislike for us or dislike. I have enough Russian acquaintances and friends who regularly come here and see everything with their own eyes. I expressed my opinion, you are mine. However, you did not answer any of my questions. So I consider the further conversation pointless.
              2. alan_07
                alan_07 14 May 2013 12: 37 New
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                [i] and are afraid to go outside so as not to fall under the bullet of a dag or a Czech /
                They are not afraid of those whom you have listed, but those who also will never come under the same anthem, I mean the fascist skins. One did not get up, so the whole Caucasus is like that, but you don’t notice the Nazis.
        3. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 13 May 2013 14: 37 New
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          I would like to know what those who minus Gleb do not like? What do not you like? What do people bring gold to Russia or that they proudly raise the flag of Russia? What have you done for the glory of Russia, what benefits have you brought to your own country?
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 13 May 2013 14: 46 New
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            Well mice frolic))
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 13 May 2013 14: 48 New
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            Quote: Lakkuchu
            I would like to know what those who minus Gleb do not like? What do not you like? What do people bring gold to Russia or that they proudly raise the flag of Russia? What have you done for the glory of Russia, what benefits have you brought to your own country?

            They don’t like the little bears that bring glory to Russia, and given that they hate them, they don’t get even more offensive. They just blah blah for the campaign, and tell them in person the gut of the tank how to take it and raise the Russian flag in front of the whole world.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 13 May 2013 14: 59 New
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              and many Ali don’t even know what kind of negative attitude towards these athletes is from some relatives. I have heard more than once from the radical "Caucasians" that they would never have spoken for this flag. (How much dirt was poured on Saytiev alone )
              and yet these guys are not ashamed of raising the flag of Russia
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 13 May 2013 15: 11 New
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                Quote: Gleb
                and yet these guys are not ashamed of raising the flag of Russia

                besides raising, some do not understand the physical and psychological stress that these guys put to raise the flag of Russia over the whole world.
          3. Armata
            Armata 13 May 2013 20: 24 New
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            Quote: Lakkuchu
            I would like to know what those who minus Gleb do not like? What do not you like? Do people bring gold to Russia or that they proudly raise the flag of Russia? What have you done for the glory of Russia, what benefits have you brought to your own country?
            I have been working for Russia for more than 15 years. Only who knows about me? I do not chase medals, titles and fame, I just work for the defense of Russia. And what glory is most important in this life?
          4. Egen
            Egen 14 May 2013 07: 00 New
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            Quote: Lakkuchu
            What do not you like? Do people bring gold to Russia or that they proudly raise the flag of Russia?

            No, I’m not negative :), I just wanted to say in this place, from my personal past sports experience :), I think that it’s for the athletes who have no time to think and speak on national issues :)
            1. Lakkuchu
              Lakkuchu 14 May 2013 09: 24 New
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              Quote: Egen
              No, I’m not negative :), I just wanted to say in this place, from my personal past sports experience :), I think that it’s for the athletes who have no time to think and speak on national issues :)

              I agree with you.
        4. lilit.193
          lilit.193 13 May 2013 18: 34 New
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          In Sochi, the Winter Olympics. Wrestlers will not be there. So Caucasians will not differ there. wink
          1. alan_07
            alan_07 14 May 2013 12: 48 New
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            Well, the Russian anthem will not sound so often.
        5. Yashka Gorobets
          Yashka Gorobets 13 May 2013 22: 41 New
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          And why does everyone hold the flag upside down?
    2. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 13 May 2013 09: 49 New
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      And to the Americans to make demands on the genocide of the Circassian people in Syria is weak Oh? It was difficult to prove what happened before with Russia, but now, in the case of Syria, it is much simpler.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 13 May 2013 11: 06 New
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        The Circassian peoples, having shown the most stubborn resistance of Russia in the Caucasus two hundred years ago, are now among the friendly nations there. True, their friendliness is directly dependent on their situation. Abkhazians are those very friends. Circassians in the KCR are also friends, because really there are karachai. Adygam made autonomy, as they requested, now the Russian people are paying.

        There couldn’t be genocide, because the Russian army, unlike many European and American NEVER and ANYWHERE, did not organize genocide. Among the Abkhazians who were defeated, among the Abkhazians were, for example, Muslim Circassians, Russia sent mehajirs, but Turkey to their country. And these mehajirs later returned to Russia with the conquerors along with Turkey. True, very temporary. Why should Russia take back the previously irreconcilable Muslims?
        1. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 13 May 2013 17: 37 New
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          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Circassian peoples, having shown two hundred years ago the most stubborn resistance of Russia in the Caucasus

          Very controversial statement. The Chechens and highlanders of Dagestan showed no less stubborn, persistent and long-lasting resistance. The main forces in the 30-50gg of the 19th century were thrown precisely at the conquest of the mountainous Dagestan and Chechnya, and the main battles of the Caucasian War unfolded there. By the way, after the official end of the Caucasian War in 1864, there were 18 uprisings in Dagestan and Chechnya, including the major uprising of 1977.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 13 May 2013 18: 57 New
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            Circassians are warriors, and Chechens are cattle stealers. The greatest military dignity on the left flank then showed Avars. All the time under Yermolov Chechens sat quieter than water, below the grass. Until another devastation occurred in Moscow in their heads, and the adventurer Stessel (then Swan) did not convince the tsar that Yermolov’s policy was not good, and that it’s good to live peacefully and not punish anyone with a weapon. Then suddenly the Chechens became such courageous and proud warriors. For the time being. Until the time of Vorontsov and Baryatinsky came.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 14 May 2013 12: 46 New
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              Circassians are warriors, and Chechens are cattle stealers
              Chechens are not treated as warriors, but only as cattle stealers can people like Grachev. let the Russians die in the Caucasus for several more centuries, they will just say cattle stealers
          2. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 13 May 2013 19: 13 New
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            Quote: Lakkuchu
            Quote: Nikolay S.
            Circassian peoples, having shown two hundred years ago the most stubborn resistance of Russia in the Caucasus

            Very controversial statement. The Chechens and highlanders of Dagestan showed no less stubborn, persistent and long-lasting resistance. The main forces in the 30-50gg of the 19th century were thrown precisely at the conquest of the mountainous Dagestan and Chechnya, and the main battles of the Caucasian war unfolded there.

            Not. Not controversial. The most bloody battles of the Caucasian war took place not in the territory of Dagestan and Chechnya, but in the Western Caucasus, in the territories inhabited by representatives of the Adyghe peoples (Kasogi, Shapsugs, Ubykhs) and Nekrasov Old Believers Cossacks ...
            And along the way, about fighting Dagestan in general and Imam Shamil in particular ... He probably fought more than his fellow countrymen than he fought with the Russian troops. If there is time, then re-read the memoirs of his personal secretary. There it is very well described ...
            And by the way, Imam Shamil, contrary to the prevailing opinion, didn’t really favor the Chechens. Proof of this are his following words: "Truth be told, he used brutal measures against the highlanders, many people were killed at my command ... I beat the Shatoyts, and the Andeans, and the Tadburgians, and beat them not for their allegiance to the Russians (you know that they never showed it), but for their nasty nature, a tendency to robbery and robbery. Whether I say the truth, you can see for yourself, because now you will beat them for all the same inclinations that are difficult to leave"...

            Quote: Lakkuchu
            including the major uprising of 1977.

            But about a certain "uprising" in 1977, please read more ...
            1. Lakkuchu
              Lakkuchu 14 May 2013 09: 15 New
              -2
              Quote: Chicot 1
              But about a certain "uprising" in 1977, please read more ...

              You have to write too much. Google, if you are interested, find out.
        2. alan_07
          alan_07 14 May 2013 12: 55 New
          -3
          Adygam made autonomy, as they requested, now the Russian people are paying.
          I do not agree with you, after a long war, realizing that the people of Adyg could not be broken by force, they infected everything that was possible with the plague, they sent them for the Bosphorus to save children and women. After Maria (the daughter of the prince) married Ivan the Terrible, in order to stop the bloodshed of the people. Nevertheless, two of the 12 nations completely ceased to exist. All the main bloodshed was in that very red clearing.
    3. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 19 May 2013 15: 53 New
      0
      That is why the appeal of those very Circassian public organizations to President Putin is nothing more than a provocation.

      But is it not the most important state duty to work with provocations, cleverly, cunningly, in advance, so let them work. And not bureaucrats to sit on assholes exactly, but to cut budgets, let them work with the separatists, and their overseas friends. Here, then, the mind is useful, and wisdom, or it’s used to arranging interlovers on the ground.
  2. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 13 May 2013 08: 34 New
    +6
    Honestly, I have not heard about serfdom in the Caucasus. Although the Turks had their views of the Caucasus, and they, in turn, invaded England. Well, the fact that all kinds of nationalists muddied the water, so it always has been and will be. Russia needs to show firmness in politics, the inviolability of its borders both within the country and territorial integrity in general. And put on EVERYONE with the device.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 13 May 2013 10: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Black Colonel
      Honestly, I have not heard about serfdom in the Caucasus.

      Serfdom is already a sign of civilization. There are slaves.
    2. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 13 May 2013 19: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Black Colonel
      Honestly, I have not heard about serfdom in the Caucasus.

      There were no serfdom in the Caucasus. But this is rather not the result of a certain humanism of the Caucasian peoples, but the fact that for the most part (with rare exceptions!) The clan-tribal system has not yet passed ...
      The rare exception was the Kabardinians who had a peculiar, but already feudal system. Here they had slaves to be ...
      Quote: Nikolay S.
      There are slaves.

      But slavery, as they say, flourished. Moreover, they captured and sold into slavery not only representatives of neighboring peoples, but also their fellow tribesmen ...
      By the way, in this way part of the Circassians ended up in the Middle East long before the Caucasian war ... wink
  3. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator 13 May 2013 08: 34 New
    +9
    The western hand is immediately visible. It is necessary to take control of the special services these miracles of the organization.
    1. avt
      avt 13 May 2013 10: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Svatdevostator
      The western hand is immediately visible. It is necessary to take control of the special services these miracles of the organization.

      This hunchback threw us a present, he gave the go-ahead for crushing the Krasnodar Territory, with him the coffee federation of mountain peoples organized, smoldering coals. Well, those who want to inflame the flame for a fire in the Caucasus are already in the queue. The deal has to be dealt with, but for now only the responsible comrades are digging in their pockets. "
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 13 May 2013 11: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Svatdevostator
      The western hand is immediately visible. It is necessary to take control of the special services these miracles of the organization.

      And the arm and legs and the wallet, and most importantly the words that put in the ears of all these nationalist organizations - everything smelled like the activities of the special services. In general, all autonomies, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Dagestan, the Czech Republic, Iran, and other autonomies, diasporas, communities — all these are time-bomb mines, ready-made bookmarks that threaten the integrity of the state; there was a regional division, and it is necessary to return to it, otherwise each family will start shouting about the separation and introduce its own currency. To knock the ground out under the feet of all kinds of crap and mi - conversations themselves will subside.
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      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 May 2013 10: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

        Reasonable, 2,3
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        Today, 08: 35

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        Frozen bastards?. Get out of Moscow, get out of Russia

        Who gave you the right to insult people? As you have no place in a normal society. You not only show your bad manners, you also discredit yours, who are for the most part tolerant. Because of people like you, blood is shed.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 13 May 2013 14: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      Frozen bastards?. Get out of Moscow, get out of Russia. To his fucking Allahs.

      Go shout it at yourself in Moscow, they will quickly send you to the fucking underworld. Knowing that no one will punish, sitting here insults the Troll keyboard.
  5. Priboi
    Priboi 13 May 2013 08: 41 New
    +5
    is anyone else paying attention to such nonsense? ..
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 09: 11 New
      +3
      In Moscow, this is a very big and sore point.
      1. FAXI
        FAXI 13 May 2013 11: 27 New
        +5
        We have in Moscow, we have in Moscow !!! That's good to scream !!! When Moscow reaches you it is not all of Russia !!!
        1. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 18: 42 New
          +1
          FAXY-WHAT DO YOU LISTEN TO or what ?.
      2. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 13 May 2013 13: 40 New
        +2
        In 1991 and 1993, Muscovites in Moscow (not a mistake) did ALL to create this
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
        In Moscow, this is a very big and sore point

        not only from the Caucasian peoples (alas, not all of them are white and fluffy), but also from the rest of the population of the Russian Federation. Moscow is now a cancerous tumor for Russia, and it will only depend on you (Muscovites) whether it is benign or malignant!
        1. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu 13 May 2013 14: 47 New
          0
          Quote: d.gksueyjd
          not only from the Caucasian peoples (alas, not all of them are white and fluffy)

          Name at least one white and fluffy people, if you mean whole nations?
          1. Reasonable, 2,3
            Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 18: 54 New
            +1
            I’m Russian, and I don’t run into anyone. This is the weakness of small nations. And in general, I, both White and Fluffy, are not touched yet. Each nation has goats .... Only from the Caucasus there are too many percent. Beeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Questions ?
        2. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 18: 40 New
          0
          For me, the word "Muscovite" is unacceptable. I am Russian, and proud of it.
  6. Apologet insane
    Apologet insane 13 May 2013 08: 48 New
    -6
    It seems that the author of the article is poorly acquainted with the history of the forcible eviction of Circassians from the Caucasus. There was a historical fact: Russia colonized the Caucasus, there was a war, the Circassians lost and a lot of them, with great losses, were evicted. As for the genocide, the issue has not been resolved since purposefully the people themselves were not destroyed, but evicted.
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      1. Apologet insane
        Apologet insane 13 May 2013 09: 41 New
        +6
        I didn’t understand a bit. What does Budanov have to do with it and what does death have to do with Allah. Please explain.
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      2. Rustam009
        Rustam009 13 May 2013 10: 37 New
        13
        First row at the same comb, at least ignorant. Circassians, Chechens are not the same thing, they are completely different peoples. Of all the regions of the North Caucasus, only those territories where Circassians and Circassians live can be said to be the most calm. Many nationalities live in Russia, and if you consider yourself reasonable, then think about it, if like that against all, expressing fascist slogans, you yourself destroy this country and tear it to pieces. If there is a problem, it is necessary to solve. An ostrich policy (sticking one’s head in the sand) or killing and soaking everyone (Hitler did this too and you’ve already become like him) does not solve problems. Xenophobia and racism never solved a problem anywhere, only destroying human destinies. And only scumbags did not learn from the experience of the Second World War.
        1. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 23: 31 New
          -2
          You said, "This country." And for me, the country is Russia_ "not this," but mine.
        2. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 15 May 2013 05: 21 New
          0
          Yes, it’s logical, and you can’t argue. Only I have 2 knives. Guess where.
      3. Mairos
        Mairos 13 May 2013 16: 09 New
        +1
        It already bears you. Calm down, here are the same radicals as you, only from the "other" side they run around the metro with pneumatics and scream "Allah akbar!" in subway cars. Fucking all over the head is everywhere.
        1. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 23: 21 New
          -1
          They’re furious. And I. UNDER 1 year, but I can’t do anything else.
        2. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 23: 24 New
          -1
          Yes, by the way. How does a log in the eye not hurt ?.
        3. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 15 May 2013 05: 17 New
          0
          Sam d ......... to.
    3. Larus
      Larus 13 May 2013 09: 48 New
      +1
      Yes, you yourself are clearly not informed that no one was evicted, but you yourself were given the choice of where to go. Otherwise, you would have evicted everyone, because Why warm vrazhin near by.
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 13 May 2013 23: 35 New
        -1
        You are not vindictive, but I'm sick of it.
    4. TURAR
      TURAR 13 May 2013 15: 48 New
      -1
      What is the point at the moment to demand from Russia recognition of the genocide! What is the further goal?
      You can accuse Russia of genocide as much as you like, but ... Circassia with all the tribes and princes is to blame. For example, her place and her state structure (if at all) did not meet the realities. All the cities that are and were forts of the Russian Army, and this suggests that there was no single state and naturally regular army, while Turkey, like Russia, possessed not only an army but also a fleet. So the conquest of Circassia was only a matter of time. Russia, for the sake of the political situation (Turkey + England), had no other choice. Despite the fact that Russia and Cherkessia had much in common (Princes Cherkassky, Baptism of Russia, etc.).
  7. Sochi
    Sochi 13 May 2013 09: 25 New
    +5
    What can I say about this, War is war, and it can happen ... Only there was no direct genocide, but it was evicted, but not destroyed. Those who wanted to emigrate were not prevented. Only those who emigrated, almost all disappeared, and those who stayed here live like that. In the 90s, Chechens came to raise the Circassians to the war, did not rise ... they also escorted the Chechens. At the same time, they tell each other how the Russians cut and ate babies, to the question where are the documents ... the old people say !!! You poke your nose at the documents ... they do not believe, axals know better. At the same time, the heroes of the Great Patriotic War are idolized (the truth is disliked when they are called Circassians, they call themselves Circassians, Shapsugs ... since the translation of the word Circassian from Turkish is a thug), All weddings MANDATORY go to the memorials of the Great Patriotic War, and they are in every village ...
    1. TURAR
      TURAR 13 May 2013 16: 10 New
      0
      Mr. Ubykh that you somehow do not stick together! According to the estimates of the same British, there were more than 400 thousand Nautkhayts, and only one aul (with one street) remained, and that was not on their land. Sochi, the land of the Ubykhs did not exist at all, as well as the Genevites.

      PS
      In vain they toss and turn this business not to good it. The main thing we all do not know! Current Circassia for a modern and strong Russia! - I believe in that.
  8. nevopros
    nevopros 13 May 2013 09: 36 New
    +1
    Feel the difference, so to speak: the option [media = http: //circas.ru/index.php? Newsid = 409] and [media = http: //a-borokko.livejournal.com/61467.html]
    The most ridiculous is the use of the word "genocide". There was a war, there were victims, there were, respectively, refugees: http://nstarikov.ru/blog/25264 Starikov interpreted this event without emotion.

    And my opinion is: when you look at the photo, it’s enough to remove “some elements” and it turns out ... Cossacks. Apparently a "coincidence", no more request But the essence is simple. Teypovost made itself felt and the best option for the indigenous people was the transition to the service of the king where it was not necessary to take revenge on his grandfather-great-grandfather, everything was decided "on the spot" - in the film "Taras Bulba" this is wonderfully displayed. Those. the motivation to “change faith and a robber lifestyle” existed.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 13 May 2013 10: 30 New
      +3
      So our Cossacks took many attributes of the form from the Circassians, it was convenient in those days, which only the Circassian with gazyry was worth. Everything was thought out for a warrior with a horse on a campaign.
  9. Gadfly
    Gadfly 13 May 2013 09: 37 New
    12
    Interestingly, representatives of the peoples of the North Caucasus understand that without Russia they’re full of pe ?? Or is it necessary to carry out outreach and educational work with everyone?
    1. Larus
      Larus 13 May 2013 09: 51 New
      +5
      No, they think that everyone will immediately rush to help, since they promise a happy independent life from behind the hill)) And there you look and Russia will draw bills for the "genocides", comparing themselves and say Denmark))))))
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 13 May 2013 15: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Larus
        No, they think that everyone will immediately rush to help, since they promise a happy independent life from behind the hill)

        why do many people have the opinion that the Muslims of the Caucasus, and all Muslims, believe in this happy life from behind the hillock and all that ?? Their culture is antiaoral to ours already from the very beginning (well, at least the culture that they now have and is successfully introducing in Russia) There are simply moments where the interests of some groups coincide.
    2. knn54
      knn54 13 May 2013 12: 41 New
      +2
      Gadfly: Interestingly, representatives of the peoples of the North Caucasus understand that without Russia, they’re full of pe?
      Without Russia, they will quickly turn into Zimbabwe.
      PS Not to be confused with Southern Rhodesia under Ian Smith. The ratio of students to the total population was as follows: Rhodesia 1: 6 (Great Britain 1: 5) ... Algeria 1: 12 ... Liberia 1: 40 ... Ethiopia 1: 108. They simply lived their own minds, and not according to orders - that’s what the West didn’t like : surrendered to their “black terrorists" their "white brothers". This is me about the prospects in South Africa ...
      PPS I doubt that the local corrupt authorities would allocate funds to their fellow citizens for sports without the help of Moscow. I hope the guys understand this very well.
      1. edge
        edge 13 May 2013 15: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: knn54
        do the representatives of the peoples of the North Caucasus understand that without Russia, they’ll have a full pe?

        the history of both companies in Chechnya showed that they immediately return to banditry and slavery ......
    3. alan_07
      alan_07 14 May 2013 13: 20 New
      -3
      If not for the "Wild Division" consisting of immigrants from the Caucasus, then Russia would have been full pe at that time!
  10. knn54
    knn54 13 May 2013 09: 54 New
    +5
    Let them go to Jordan, nearby, and they are held in high esteem by Abdullah.
    In an extreme case, to settle them in the "historical homeland" -plains of Chechnya and let Kadyrov look after them, they will not indulge him.
    1. Larus
      Larus 13 May 2013 10: 05 New
      +7
      If our Russian Cossacks are allowed to have weapons and defend themselves, then they certainly will not be pampered.
      1. TURAR
        TURAR 13 May 2013 16: 29 New
        0
        And what about weapons? Did the Cossacks wait for weapons in Kushchevka? Why didn’t the Caucasian girls’ hoes touch?
    2. Rustam009
      Rustam009 16 May 2013 15: 44 New
      0
      Nikolai, Kadyrov apparently "looked after" you well once so "offended".
  11. My doctor
    My doctor 13 May 2013 10: 05 New
    +4
    The answer is one. It is necessary to raise the standard of living, the culture of the titular nation. Otherwise, no people will want to live side by side with such past conquerors.
    1. Larus
      Larus 13 May 2013 10: 07 New
      +3
      Just this is not included in the plans of the current government, otherwise they would not have been brought from the former guest workers, and the emphasis would have been on internal migration. Hence, the salaries above would be more real than those we have.
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 13 May 2013 12: 11 New
      -3
      please legal definition of a "titular nation" .............
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 13 May 2013 16: 15 New
        +1
        There it is somehow determined by the percentage of the total population. How to consider the state - multinational or not. In general, the concept is more likely political ("de facto"), rather than sociological ("de jure"). One of the current problems is precisely that all power structures are fighting with the “Russian fascists”, but with the “national - fascists” (those from minorities), while they are not grabbing their guns, they are trying to flirt and appease, and the same power structures. This kind of asymmetry in many relations is annoying, to say the least.
  12. xetai9977
    xetai9977 13 May 2013 10: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
    Pray is death came to Allah.

    You either intentionally provoke, or you are clearly not in order. DON'T TOUCH THE FAITH OF OTHER PEOPLE. In general, where are the moderators looking?
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 13 May 2013 11: 22 New
      -1
      Allah is a scoundrel and a pedophile.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 13 May 2013 11: 41 New
        +5
        LISTEN, I DIDN'T OFFEND YOUR RELIGION AND DO NOT GATHER. YES AND DROP TO YOUR LEVEL ALSO. REMEMBERED THE FILM "SIGNOR ROBINSON", WHEN DIVINE DOESN'T RESPOND TO THE INSULATIONS OF ROBIN. .
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 13 May 2013 14: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          LISTEN, I DIDN'T OFFEND YOUR RELIGION AND DO NOT GATHER. YES AND DROP TO YOUR LEVEL ALSO. REMEMBERED THE FILM "SIGNOR ROBINSON", WHEN DIVINE DOESN'T RESPOND TO THE INSULATIONS OF ROBIN. .

          Do you think he has a religion ????? Well, another thing if atheism is considered a religion))))
      2. OTAKE
        OTAKE 13 May 2013 11: 53 New
        +6
        Quote: Krasnoyarets
        Allah is a scoundrel and a pedophile.

        And you are simply uneducated B.d.L.O. at least because you don’t understand what you are talking about, males like that have already cocked repeatedly they say Mohammed married young Aisha, but as usual the quilted jacket of the quilted jackets and byd -the bent slogans began to spit out slogans saying the prophet is a pedophile (for those who are in the tank, I recommend reading an adequate translation of the Qur'an which speaks on this topic), but you distinguished yourself from the general mass, didn’t even understand the essence of the matter - Allah swam into some kind of idol, in general, the animal world on the site has replenished with a new instance.)
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 13 May 2013 12: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: OTAKE
          say Mohammed married a minor Aisha

          By the way a very controversial issue!
          A question of Aisha's age!

          There is also evidence of some historical chronicles, according to which she was fifteen or even seventeen years old. Muslim sources and studies featured various ages of Aisha. At the same time, Ibn Hisham and some other historians have information that Aisha was among the first people to convert to Islam, which means that at the time of marriage she was 15 years old. In addition, some historians and scholars cite evidence that, before the Prophet, Jubair Ibn Mutim wore it and she was over 17 years old. Also, many historical chronicles provide information about the sister of Aisha Asma, who died at the age of 100 in the year 73 of the hijra. This means that she was 27 years old during the hijra (the relocation of the Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina). At the same time, it is known that Aisha was 10 years younger than her. And this, in turn, means that by the time of her marriage to the Prophet Muhammad she was 17 years old
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE 13 May 2013 12: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: Yarbay
            Quote: OTAKE
            say Mohammed married a minor Aisha

            By the way a very controversial issue!
            A question of Aisha's age!

            There is also evidence of some historical chronicles, according to which she was fifteen or even seventeen years old. Muslim sources and studies featured various ages of Aisha. At the same time, Ibn Hisham and some other historians have information that Aisha was among the first people to convert to Islam, which means that at the time of marriage she was 15 years old. In addition, some historians and scholars cite evidence that, before the Prophet, Jubair Ibn Mutim wore it and she was over 17 years old. Also, many historical chronicles provide information about the sister of Aisha Asma, who died at the age of 100 in the year 73 of the hijra. This means that she was 27 years old during the hijra (the relocation of the Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina). At the same time, it is known that Aisha was 10 years younger than her. And this, in turn, means that by the time of her marriage to the Prophet Muhammad she was 17 years old

            Explain this to those who can not draw parallels between Allah and the Prophet Muhammad) I think they won’t overcome it, many books)
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 13 May 2013 12: 47 New
              +6
              Quote: OTAKE
              Explain this to those who can not draw parallels between Allah and the Prophet Muhammad) I think they won’t overcome it, many books)

              If I could))))))))))))))
              1. Mairos
                Mairos 13 May 2013 16: 18 New
                -1
                By the way, in those old days, in many countries girls got married and at 16 years old, and guys at 16 years old got married. Times were such that at 40, an old man was considered.
        2. alan_07
          alan_07 14 May 2013 13: 26 New
          +1
          You are guaranteed hell. And this same villain will provide it to you, if only you can’t fill your brains with your mind. A lost soul will lead to a worthlessly lived life.
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 13 May 2013 16: 19 New
      0
      He was probably smoked.
  13. ed65b
    ed65b 13 May 2013 10: 54 New
    20
    Why do we need newcomer Circassians? After all, concrete “Arabs” will come with their worldview, hijabs and other good. Then this smut will scatter across the Caucasus in the mountains and what do we get? In the best case, regular karahams.
    1. edge
      edge 13 May 2013 15: 54 New
      +8
      Quote: ed65b
      Why do we need newcomer Circassians?
      they are like koloboks: they fled from Russia, the Syrians gave them shelter, shared bread (the second question arose, to protect their homeland), and they went through from there. We will accept them, share them .... so they are to the Turks, in old memory They’ll go through and even giggle.
  14. krez-74
    krez-74 13 May 2013 11: 00 New
    10
    It would be better if they returned the Circassians, the Russians who remained behind the hill! And then they’re launching some Central Asians to Russia!
  15. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 May 2013 11: 15 New
    +4
    We would have to deal with our own, we didn’t have enough newcomers.
  16. ed1968
    ed1968 13 May 2013 11: 23 New
    +6
    to add some more parasites? well, no, gentlemen, thank you, go for a walk and get away from here, but first you’ll learn how to ask normally without running over, otherwise you will never achieve anything at all
  17. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 13 May 2013 11: 24 New
    -1
    We do not need the Transcaucasians, Caucasians, Central Asians, we can’t cope with hemorrhoids called the North Caucasus, and we still have biomass for us.
  18. Rustam009
    Rustam009 13 May 2013 11: 29 New
    0
    Apparently, few people on the site know about this people, so all sorts of speculation about them.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 13 May 2013 13: 21 New
      +3
      Sorry, but far-fetched. Cherkas and Cherkess are different words, since only harmony is taken, there are many similar harmonies in other languages. It is very difficult to trace the history of the Circassians, since they did not have a written language, then there are no documents ... only indirect sources, that is, references to them in the archives of other states of that time, and their minuscule. Yes, and the same people in different countries called differently. By the way, Cherkasy, according to one source, called natives of Lithuania, and Polish Cossacks, who gave the name of the city of Cherkasy. They have a self-name - Circassians, Shapsugs, Ubykhs ... etc., but they never called themselves Circassians.
    2. edge
      edge 13 May 2013 15: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Rustam09
      Apparently, few people on the site know about this people, so all sorts of speculation about them
      .... well, how did these guys completely forget how the Russian Polonians beat the Turkish markets, and we don’t remember at all that they went under six-pointed stars, and began to repaint in Russian-Turkish.
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 14 May 2013 08: 48 New
        +1
        Gurt you are a connoisseur of the history of my people write a book! It would be better to study my own.
    3. Yuri K.
      Yuri K. 14 May 2013 00: 15 New
      +1
      Rustam09, let me thank you for this video.
  19. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 May 2013 12: 53 New
    +7
    Normally, it is practically impossible for Russian refugees to settle in Russia, and even more so to obtain citizenship, but the Circassians (and not only they, but also other representatives of another Orthodox religion) are crowded. And if nationalism was discarded, and only justice was left, the representatives of Orthodoxy did not go and did not dance Russian folk dances in the main area of ​​Makhachkala or Grozny, non-Orthodox strayed in packs and engaged in banditry, killings, violence in the territory of the Caucasus, in principle, no one is against their presence, if if they behaved appropriately, but a proverb can be applied to them: "To a strange monastery, with its own charter!" I’m still very angry that every Muslim thinks that Russians express their opinion that there are a lot of Muslims to Russia, a fascist, for example, I really don’t like that when I go through the capital of the Orthodox state, I see 70% of people of non-Orthodox appearance, and what’s next ? Why, even if one Russian man beats b ... kh, is it ethnic hatred, an aggravating sign, and the Chechens who openly called for the destruction of the Russian nation are just killers, not people who wanted to commit genocide, huh?
    PS Someone here wrote that the Circassians are not Chechens, but during the Chechen war, not only Chechens fought, but the whole Muslim rabble from all over the world climbed there, but Russian, Orthodox (and not only Orthodox, we have normal Muslims, but they live not in the Caucasus) the boot gave a strong kick, these freaks !!!
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 13 May 2013 14: 41 New
      0
      Prapor Afonya beeps, and not only Chechens fought in Chechnya, but also Russians, Orthodox brothers, Ukrainians, and many others not on the side of Russia. With such statements and attitude they themselves laid a mine under the foundation of a country called Russia. God forbid it explodes and shreds remain from the country, thanks to such pseudo-patriots on the site who cannot distinguish a finger from a stick, but they reason well.
    2. edge
      edge 13 May 2013 15: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      Someone here wrote that the Circassians are not Chechens
      actually tracing the studies of Russian historians from the time of the tsar-father (the period of the Caucasian wars) and later, the oral epic of the Caucasian peoples .... then the conclusion sounds like this: This is the 13th knee of the Judean who escaped from the Persians in the 4th century BC. passed through modern Armenia and scattered across the Caucasus.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 13 May 2013 15: 34 New
        0
        This is the 13th tribe of Judea

        belay
        1. edge
          edge 13 May 2013 16: 02 New
          +3
          The Caucasus began to accept Islam in the beginning of the 19th century; before that, Judaism professed
          1. MVS
            MVS 13 May 2013 16: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: hert
            The Caucasus began to accept Islam in the beginning of the 19th century; before that, Judaism professed

            Judaism was confessed only by mountain Jews, do not interfere all in one pile. The rest were pagans.
            1. knn54
              knn54 13 May 2013 19: 37 New
              +2
              MVS: The rest were pagans.
              Abkhazians were one of the first to adopt Christianity, and Ossetians are now Orthodox. If not mistaken, and the Dargins (Dagestan) were Christians, but the Armenian Church.
              PS One of the main commandments of the Koran is "Love your faith and do not blame others."
              If EVERYTHING was aware of this.
              1. MVS
                MVS 13 May 2013 22: 39 New
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                Quote: knn54

                Abkhazians were one of the first to adopt Christianity, and Ossetians are now Orthodox. If not mistaken, and the Dargins (Dagestan) were Christians, but the Armenian Church.

                This is true, but for all different reasons they did not retain their first faith (except for Ossetians). In some places, Christians were forced to convert to Islam, and in some places weak Christianity was forgotten.
                Quote: knn54

                PS One of the main commandments of the Koran is "Love your faith and do not blame others."
                If EVERYTHING was aware of this.

                And nowhere and never disrespectfully did I speak of other religions.
            2. edge
              edge 14 May 2013 04: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: MVS
              Judaism was confessed only by mountain Jews, do not interfere all in one pile. The rest were pagans.

              how Jews assimilate the authentic population we see so far ....
          2. Yuri K.
            Yuri K. 14 May 2013 00: 34 New
            +2
            It would be very interesting to get a link to that historical literature, preferably by Russian authors, and not six-pointed, which indicated the presence of Judaism among the Circassians. Well, Islam, well, Christianity, well, old Faith - where else did not go. But, de facto, to call the Circassians - Ashkenazi, that is, the followers of the Khazar Kaganate, destroyed by Svyatoslav - this is completely heresy. Trolling, so to speak, in C grade
        2. Rustam009
          Rustam009 14 May 2013 08: 51 New
          +1
          Gleb of the Jews you and your family!
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 14 May 2013 08: 54 New
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            go to bed or wipe your eyes. to see whose comment you answer
            1. Rustam009
              Rustam009 14 May 2013 12: 04 New
              +1
              Gleb I apologize for my statements! With anger, he looked at the comment incorrectly, did not see that it was only an excerpt from another “commentator”. EXCUSE ME, PLEASE!
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 14 May 2013 12: 08 New
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                wink It happens. But in general, where does this story with Judaism come from? Chechens, Ingush, Kumyks can be called Jews even if you wish
  20. individual
    individual 13 May 2013 13: 02 New
    +2
    There has been such an operation in the history of our country, an operation codenamed "White Partridge". but let's turn to the facts:

    The newspaper "Argumepty of the week" №17 from May 7, 2013
    "Like Crimea, Israel almost became."
    "-In June 1948, Golda Meir was appointed Israeli ambassador to the USSR, arrived in Moscow on September 3, in two weeks she organized two meetings in Moscow, 50 thousand people each. These were people from Leningrad, Moscow, even from Siberia. At the rallies They demanded that they keep their promise to America and give Crimea. As a result, it was decided to evict the fifth column from Crimea. In the summer of 1953, 17 steamships left Novaya Zemlya for the Arctic Circle. This was the beginning of the operation, code-named "The White Partridge". Stalin also planned to evict the Jews "from major cities of the country, in particular from Moscow. Minister Furtseva has already compiled lists. But the mysterious death of the leader."
    In 1954 Khrushchev gives the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, read the USSR, has ceased to bear legal responsibility for bills signed in the 20s by the Russian government. "
    "PS"
    Now the Israeli lobby has expanded its activities in Ukraine.

    But it’s time for Russia to remember how they knew how to protect the souls of people, the integrity of the country and eliminate the real threats of the fifth column in a matter of days.
  21. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 13 May 2013 13: 12 New
    +2
    That is, if we accept the Circassian refugees, then they will be ours and will not go against us, but if not, they will go, as I understand it? Some kind of crazy nonsense! A normal, educated, adequate person will behave correctly everywhere, and if a moron was brought up then the nation does not matter here - everywhere there will be problems from him. As for the recognition of the genocide of the Circassian people - you need to understand that the peoples of Russia have a very difficult fate, for centuries these peoples suffered and shed blood and singling out one people as the most affected is unacceptable, and for what reason, are the Circassians any special? It seems to me that all these letters and moods are artificially created and fueled from abroad by our "friends" Anglo-Saxons, and the goal is one turmoil in the country! And Circassian intelligentsia, if any, needs to be explained to their youth what such letters and moods are fraught with.
    1. edge
      edge 13 May 2013 15: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      That is, if we accept the Circassian refugees, then they will be ours and will not go against us, but if not, they will go, as I understand it? Some kind of crazy nonsense! A normal, educated, adequate person everywhere will behave correctly

      this crazy nonsense we recently saw on the example of Chechnya. More recently
  22. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 13 May 2013 13: 27 New
    +5
    North Caucasian it’s a growth in the Russian Federation, disgusting, not grateful, and an overgrown growth. I used to believe that garbage is a question, the tops are boring, and he is a simple people in Africa, simple people ... was mistaken until the first close meeting with the "guests". Yes, the Circassians, and the Circassians and the Ingush began to drive into Russian, they had seen enough of the Chechens and Dagis and all, just want to, "there is a power of the kazakaz!" and no one puts them in their place, and doesn’t put them. This is a shame.
  23. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 13 May 2013 13: 47 New
    +3
    By their mentality, Muscovites were despised even in the days of the USSR (Ч * О- чman мOskov оblasts). Those who were smarter while serving in the armed forces hid that the Muscovites - the rest received the full program. You yourself are to blame why you (not wrong), such an attitude!
  24. optimist
    optimist 13 May 2013 14: 29 New
    +2
    It is clear that all these creeps are another provocation. And the complete idiot understands that under the guise of "refugees" a bunch of terrorists and radicals will leak out. But, looking at the national policy of the Russian Federation, it seems that everything is aimed at inciting hatred between the Russians and the "Caucasians." Heaping up the Caucasus with money and turning a blind eye to their "pranks", the authorities anger the Russians and encourage the "abreks" to at least provocative behavior, and often crimes.
  25. Damask
    Damask 13 May 2013 15: 03 New
    +6
    What a surprise. Refugees honestly never brought any benefits, especially from a different culture.
  26. dc120mm
    dc120mm 13 May 2013 15: 38 New
    +2
    The Cherkessov genocide personally recognized Saakashvili to harm Russia, of course it was stupid, because this decision did harm to Georgia itself.

    Ordinary people did not approve this decision, the Circassian peoples did not deserve a good word from the Georgians, they did not act correctly in dreams and earlier, during and after the Abkhaz war.

    About refugees, I think that the Russian Federation will do everything right.
    1. Yuri K.
      Yuri K. 14 May 2013 01: 23 New
      +1
      Naturally, Saakashvili is playing the role to please his sponsors from the United States. The Circassians have no relation to him. The reason for this is very simple: the Abkhazians, who suffered greatly from Georgia in the war of the early 90s, are the Circassian people (Adyge). By the way, in that war, Circassian volunteers from all over the world opposed Georgia on the side of Abkhazia, which allowed the Abkhaz to hold out until the arrival of Russian troops. This is a widely known fact. And the protection of the Circassians in the 90s and 08.08.08, the recognition of Abkhazia by Russia greatly increased its popularity among them in the world.
      It is important to note that the Circassians of Syria in the vast majority are loyal to Assad, for which they suffer. And given the mess that Americans create in the Middle East and Africa, any healthy person has a desire to hide his children, wives, mothers from this. And if you can do it in the historical homeland, i.e. in Russia, it’s not worth the best.
      And by the way, an interesting question: What do you think will come of people who have escaped from the horror that extremist and terrorist gangs such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda create if this infection comes to them in Russia. I think these ghouls-sectarians "can’t get off with a crowbar in the anus." Yes, they (the Circassians) will protect their homeland from them to the best of their ability. And the turn of Russia in this mess - I recall, immediately after Syria and Iran.
  27. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 May 2013 16: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: Rustam09
    Prapor Afonya beeps, and not only Chechens fought in Chechnya, but also Russians, Orthodox brothers, Ukrainians, and many others not on the side of Russia. With such statements and attitude they themselves laid a mine under the foundation of a country called Russia. God forbid it explodes and shreds remain from the country, thanks to such pseudo-patriots on the site who cannot distinguish a finger from a stick, but they reason well.

    I do not argue that among these freaks there were traitors who were ready to sell their mother for money, but the main slogan of this war was "Alah Akbar!" and in my opinion hardly anyone will argue with this, and the mercenaries went there mainly after the Islamic camps training them in military specialties, and in which case they covered themselves with Islam. Well, why do we need such refugees who, after a short treatment, become saboteurs inside the country?
  28. Goblin 28
    Goblin 28 13 May 2013 18: 07 New
    +6
    Quote: TURAR
    And what about weapons? Did the Cossacks wait for weapons in Kushchevka? Why didn’t the Caucasian girls’ hoes touch?

    And who do they need, excuse me, Caucasian girls, if of their own free will? So, to be honest, huh? The statement is not biased, but ... personal ... in comparison with ours? Like so many others ... also compared to niches.
  29. lilit.193
    lilit.193 13 May 2013 18: 28 New
    +4
    They have nothing to do here. And those who wrote this letter also need to be evicted from Russia. There is nothing to fuss with and flirt!
  30. sprut
    sprut 13 May 2013 20: 16 New
    +1
    Yes, cancel all national entities in Russia, right up to the conversion of their names themselves, and transform them into ordinary lands and regions. And only a few schools in some areas, as part of the newly formed subjects, allow the teaching of non-Russian as an orientation language. Nationality absolutely transform all into Russian, as in the Russian Empire.
  31. SlavaP
    SlavaP 13 May 2013 22: 46 New
    +1
    It’s a dead thing to remember the grievances of a century ago. I have already asked a rhetorical question - where is the vaunted Caucasian wisdom? She left along with people like Rasul Gamzatov, and what was left was envy, pettiness, and malice. This is the road to nowhere - does history really teach anything ???
    And it warms up outside - recently there was a huge advertising article, it seems in Times - praised the nature and beauty of Adygea. they called for a visit - everything is legal, they just forgot to mention that Adygea itself is part of the Krasnodar Territory and, in turn, of the Russian Federation.
    The position of Turkey is especially amusing - as if the Ottomans did not slaughter and surrender the same Circassians, and as if they did not forcefully impose Islam on the Caucasian peoples? And about the Prophet’s accusations of sin now fashionable - nonsense, among all Eastern peoples, girls were considered adults when it came naturally, usually from 12-14 years.
  32. Rustam Rahaev
    Rustam Rahaev 13 May 2013 23: 50 New
    +1
    Dear, let's judge and speak objectively. I agree with the author of the article, but let's not move on to the national issue. Personally, I get up during the Anthem of the Russian Federation and know it by heart. Do not be so biased towards "people of Caucasian nationality," we are one people. We defeated fascism by being united, so please do not get personal. Thank.
  33. Yuri K.
    Yuri K. 14 May 2013 00: 23 New
    0
    Quote: hert
    Quote: Rustam09
    Apparently, few people on the site know about this people, so all sorts of speculation about them
    .... well, how did these guys completely forget how the Russian Polonians beat the Turkish markets, and we don’t remember at all that they went under six-pointed stars, and began to repaint in Russian-Turkish.

    Rustam 09 added a very good non-fiction video. I recommend that you carefully look at it. And then in the question of the six-pointed stars of David, you repeat the stupidity, intensely promoted by the citizen Yuri Latynina. Well, it acts in the interests of our "geopolitical partners," namely those who provoked a military conflict between Russia and Circassia in the 18-19 centuries since the beginning of the "Great Game".
    1. edge
      edge 14 May 2013 04: 58 New
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      Quote: Yuri K.
      you repeat the stupidity heavily promoted by citizen Yuri Latynina.

      I wanted to spit on Latynina, these studies were carried out in tsarist times, then confirmed by Soviet historians. I hope no one will dispute the merits of Russian and Soviet science.
    2. edge
      edge 14 May 2013 05: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Yuri K.
      those who provoked a military conflict between Russia and Circassia in the 18-19 centuries since the beginning of the "Great Game".

      the big game began much earlier, respected, and in the 18th century Rothschild had just begun the accumulation of capital and now he is successfully putting the world together with his comrades .... Learn to read serious scientific works, not controlled boulevard
  34. ando_bor
    ando_bor 14 May 2013 00: 23 New
    -1
    I believe the Circassians, it is possible and necessary to provide the opportunity to return to Russia,
    like compatriots. The fact that the enemies use the Circassian question, they use any question, there are no questions, they will come up.
    Enemies are wet.
    1. Yuri K.
      Yuri K. 14 May 2013 00: 57 New
      0
      Watering required
  35. Yuri K.
    Yuri K. 14 May 2013 00: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: ando_bor
    I believe the Circassians, it is possible and necessary to provide the opportunity to return to Russia,
    like compatriots. The fact that the enemies use the Circassian question, they use any question, there are no questions, they will come up.
    Enemies are wet.

    Absolutely right. How many years ago about 1500 Circassians asked for asylum from Russia and arrived from Yugoslavia (Kosovo), where they were in strict confrontation with the Albanians and good neighborly relations with the Serbs. Despite the fact that they are Muslims, trouble did not happen and they very easily adapted to our local realities. True, the differences from the local Circassians and Russians drink less and work more and try to both make it clear that this is correct.
    In general, if we take into account that the Circassians represent a very significant layer in the military and administrative environment of Syria, Jordan, Turkey, to a lesser extent, Turkey and Israel (Jews pay for the Circassian war in the Golan Heights), etc., it is not clear why the Russian leadership still not trying to use this serious managerial periphery in their state interests.
  36. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 14 May 2013 00: 57 New
    +2
    It is clear to the latest sheep who pays for, initiates, and who in the Circassian environment supports such appeals to the president. So those who initiate and pay for all this need to block the channels of influence and financing, and those who support such actions, and these are very influential and undoubtedly rich people in the Circassian environment, need to apply the highest measure of social protection, and secretly, like ( sudden death from constipation or inversion of the intestines), as well as (a stumbled-open fracture of the base of the skull stumbled), but that everyone would understand that this would be so with everyone who would spoil their common Homeland, in which the Russians have no more rights, than the Circassians, etc.
    1. Rustam009
      Rustam009 16 May 2013 19: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      It is clear to the latest sheep who pays for, initiates, and who in the Circassian environment supports such appeals to the president. So those who initiate and pay for all this need to block the channels of influence and financing, and those who support such actions, and these are very influential and undoubtedly rich people in the Circassian environment, need to apply the highest measure of social protection, and secretly, like ( sudden death from constipation or inversion of the intestines), as well as, but that everyone would understand that this will happen to everyone who will spoil their common Motherland, in which the Russians have no more rights than the Circassians, etc.

      I would argue about "(stumbled fell-open fracture of the base of the skull)." Firstly, this story happened with a Dagestan (although this case does not make all Dagestanis bad, the offender does not have a nationality), who does not belong to the Circassians, as they say, neither externally nor culturally or territorially. As for these unfair courts, I want to ask anyone sitting on the site: who are the judges? It was not the Dagestani judges who judged. Yes, he is a criminal and I condemn him, but why in the country where everything is done for bribery is the extreme "face of Caucasian nationality"? Who prevented that judge from passing a fair sentence? If you were afraid of revenge (which I deeply doubt) that there were no normal people among this army of judges who could not take a bribe and pass a fair sentence? It becomes a shame when, instead of condemning a specific representative of the government, who admits obvious injustice, anger does not turn against him, but against the whole nation.
  37. Rustam009
    Rustam009 14 May 2013 11: 58 New
    0
    Also, please study the material: http: //irp.ru/page/stream-event/index-11604.html
  38. Muxauk
    Muxauk 17 May 2013 20: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: radio operator
    I was born in Grozny, and I have many Chechen friends. They pride themselves on being nokhchi and venerating Baysangur Benoisky, an irreconcilable Chechen who died in the Caucasian war, and I respect Alexei Petrovich Ermolov, the Russian general who conquered the mountaineer. But this does not stop us from respecting each other. There are always moral limits below which you cannot go.

    That's right, and whatever they say, if a person was born in Russia, he is Russian, and there can be no one else. And it does not matter whether it is the Caucasus or the Far East.
    Quote: Rustam09

    I would argue about "(stumbled fell-open fracture of the base of the skull)." Firstly, this story happened with a Dagestan (although this case does not make all Dagestanis bad, the offender does not have a nationality), who does not belong to the Circassians, as they say, neither externally nor culturally or territorially. As for these unfair courts, I want to ask anyone sitting on the site: who are the judges? It was not the Dagestani judges who judged. Yes, he is a criminal and I condemn him, but why in the country where everything is done for bribery is the extreme "face of Caucasian nationality"? Who prevented that judge from passing a fair sentence? If you were afraid of revenge (which I deeply doubt) that there were no normal people among this army of judges who could not take a bribe and pass a fair sentence? It becomes a shame when, instead of condemning a specific representative of the government, who admits obvious injustice, anger does not turn against him, but against the whole nation.

    With Mirzaev, an athlete accidentally killed Agafoniev (or something like that), a criminal himself asked for that ill-fated blow. As a result, half of Russia shouted that the Caucasians were insolent. In my opinion, they will steal us for husband strife.
  39. enot555
    enot555 24 May 2013 23: 25 New
    0
    Regarding Mirzaev, I will say this, he got at the wrong time, in the wrong place and there is no need to knit him with a general mess and lawlessness in the country (I'm talking about visitors). this can happen to any athlete, but about the Circassians it’s an interesting question, if they live like people, let them come. If they begin to mess, then it doesn’t matter who it is, everyone is on the wall, including ALL relatives. human rights activists will now begin to spray with saliva, etc. it is necessary to establish the family responsibility for crimes, so that before stupidity is done I think about my relatives 100 times. Even about the Circassians, read the respected old pre-revolutionary editions preserved in museums about the Caucasian war, much will be clear !!!
    the situation is really complicated, there are a lot of provocateurs, "incomprehensible imams" and others with a beard without a mustache. HAVE ALREADY ALREADY FORGOTTEN about destroying this trash on the spot!