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The whole world against Hitler

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In World War II, the 61 State, military action were led in the territory of 40 countries. The armed forces of Great Britain, France, China and the United States participated in the struggle against the states of the fascist bloc. Separate formations of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, India, Canada, the Philippines and other countries of the world also took part in military actions. Another part of the anti-Hitler coalition states helped the main participants with supplies.




Under the Lend-Lease (agreement to transfer to the leasing of military equipment, weapons(ammunition, equipment, strategic raw materials and food) at the end of September 1945, 14.795 aircraft were sent from the USA to the USSR, 7.056 tanks, 8.218 anti-aircraft guns, 131.600 machine guns. From Great Britain on April 30, 1944, 3.384 aircraft and 4.292 tanks arrived. 1.188 tanks were delivered from Canada (official US data). Part of the US cargo (about 1 million tons) did not reach the Soviet Union, since it was destroyed by the enemy during their transportation. US military supplies accounted for 4% of the military production of the USSR. In addition to armaments, the USSR leased cars, tractors, motorcycles, ships, locomotives, cars, food and other goods.

Help came from individuals. The American Committee for Assisting Russians in War during the Second World War sent goods worth more than one and a half billion dollars to the Soviet Union. In England, there was a similar committee that was headed by Clementine Churchill.

In June 1944, the Allies opened a second front in Western Europe. An Anglo-American landing force landed in Normandy, which ultimately made it possible to pull about 560 thousands of German soldiers from the Eastern Front.

The Soviet Union supplied the United States with 300 thousand tons of chrome ore, 32 thousand tons of manganese ore, supplied platinum, gold and timber.

Alexander Manachinsky, a retired colonel, RecallsThat Lend-Lease is not a grant for help. Roosevelt publicly stated that "helping Russians is successfully spent money." Lend-Lease became a tool, with the help of which the White House was planning to solve a number of problems - both foreign and internal. The leasing scheme allowed the US government to create new jobs. If in 1940, 47,5 was employed by a million people in civilian production, and 8,1 had no jobs for millions of Americans, then in 1942, the US economy absorbed all this unoccupied labor. Full employment in the United States was celebrated until the victory.

In 1941, writes A. Manachinsky, US Undersecretary of State D. Acheson arrived in Moscow to find out the payment possibilities of the USSR. By order of Stalin, an overseas official was taken by plane to Magadan, then to Kolyma. Here the American gold mines were shown. After that, America began to help Russia. For the US aid during the war years, the USSR paid in gold. Every month an American submarine came to Magadan, on which Russian gold was loaded as payment for weapons, equipment, and food. By 1949, the greatest amount of gold accumulated in Fort Knox vaults - 21.800 tons ...

The assistance to the Soviet Union in its exhausting struggle against the Nazi invaders, New Zealanders, Ethiopians, Icelanders and people from other countries is far less popular with the United States.

Journalist-internationalist Sergei Brilev wrote the book "Forgotten Allies." The author paid particular attention to the peoples who were not attacked by Hitler or Mussolini, but who nonetheless declared war on fascism. Sergey Brilyov told the correspondent "Voices of Russia" Dmitry Babich that unites almost all people of the globe.

“Perhaps, the general thing that then really united almost everyone was the rejection of the racial theories of the Nazis. Although in fairness it must be said that at that moment not everything was positive with racial issues in the British Empire and in the United States. ”


Unjustly forgotten was participation in the war with the Italian-German invaders of the Ethiopians - led by their emperor Haile Selassie the First. But it was he who first defeated the fascists, returning to his capital after the expulsion of the Italians from there in 1941 year. Until the end of 41, the fascists seemed invincible: they did not have a single major defeat either on the Eastern Front or on the Western.

In the Russian Far North, in the Kola Peninsula region, the 151-I British squadron commanded by the New Zealander Neville Ramsbottom-Isherwood fought. Britain had just declared war on Finland, and the Finns did not dare to go to Murmansk protected by Isherwood.

The indigenous New Zealanders of the Maori tribes, Ischerwood's compatriots, fought on the fronts of Europe. In the battles, they lost every fifth.

In German propaganda, the main place among the "subhumans" was given to the Slavic peoples. Sergey Brilyov says:

“The main driving force behind the resistance to the German occupation were those peoples who were declared inferior by the Nazis. These are the peoples of Poland, the former Yugoslavia and, of course, the Soviet Union. If we talk about resistance in the occupied territories, then the resistance of these particular groups is quite understandable: after all, these were people whom the Germans declared racially inferior, and besides, among these peoples lived peoples who were not at all loved by the Nazis with their racial theories - for example, Gypsies and Jews. <…>

In the case of countries like New Zealand, the motive was loyalty to the British crown. In the case of countries such as Swaziland - then a British protectorate - participation in the war was a search for self-awareness, a springboard to the question of independence after the war. ”


Alexey Baliev ("Century") recalled the assistance to the Soviet Union of Brazil and Argentina, Mexico and Nicaragua, Iran and Iraq, the Belgian Congo and Liberia, Afghanistan and Nepal and a number of countries and territories. In real economic terms, this assistance was often symbolic; nevertheless, it reflected the attitude of the peoples of many countries towards the heroic struggle of the Soviet Union against fascism.

Humanitarian supplies from Afghanistan to the USSR (through Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan) began in November of 1941 and continued until the spring of 1947. Up to 8 thousand tons of raw cotton and cottonseed oil, about 20 thousand tons of meat and meat products, up to 40 tons of medicinal herbs, 6 thousand tons of citrus fruits, about 6 thousand tons of tea leaves, about 7 thousand tons of olives and olive oil, up to 300 tons of wool and hides, about 3000 heads of sheep, horses, yaks, camels. Afghan Turkmen, Uzbeks and Tajiks donated to the USSR up to 150 kg of precious items. And in Central Asia, with the help of specialists from Afghanistan, high-yielding varieties of Afghan cotton, tea, olive and citrus trees were introduced. And another thing: in 1942-1943, when the threat of a German-Turkish invasion of Iran and Iraq arose, part of the goods under the Lend-Lease was sent to the USSR through Afghanistan.

The Himalayan kingdoms rendered assistance to the Soviet Union in those years: Nepal, Bhutan and Sikkim. Their assistance in 1942-1945. included 15 tons of citrus, 30 tons of tea leaves, about 200 tons of sugarcane, up to 100 tons of jute fiber and products from it, up to 20 thousand tons of meat and 10 thousand tons of yak and musk ox.

Blankets, blankets, cotton wool, medicinal herbs - and this came to the USSR from the Himalayan countries and Afghanistan.

Do not stand aside and the north of Europe. The authorities of Iceland since August 1941, recalls the author, opened their ports for deliveries to the northern Soviet ports from the United States, Britain and Canada.

About 300 tons of fish oil, salted and fresh herring, mackerel, cod, and up to 150 tons of sheep wool sent Iceland to the USSR as humanitarian aid in 1941-1946. About a third of these supplies managed to be delivered to besieged Leningrad.

Sweden did not help the USSR disinterestedly, but it traded on special conditions. This trade was not approved by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the naval and air command of Germany. In 1942, the Swedish side on 15-25% lowered prices for its exports and increased the rates for counter deliveries from the USSR by the same amount. This pricing policy was maintained until 1946.

Four-fifths of Swedish exports consisted of equipment, cellulose, synthetic rubber and agricultural machinery, while Soviet exports to Sweden consisted of timber, flax, hemp fiber and certain types of fabrics. Also in 1942-1946. About 16 of thousands of cattle, pigs, sheep and poultry were supplied to the Soviet Union from Sweden.

Other countries receiving goods under Lend-Lease often refused them in favor of the USSR.

For example, in 1943, three batches of electric power equipment from the United States, by decision of the Chinese leadership, were redirected by the Americans to the Soviet Union due to "the tremendous needs of the defense and the rear of the USSR in equipment," according to Chiang Kai-shek.

In the matter of assistance, Mongolia cannot be circumvented. In October 1941, by the inhabitants of Mongolia was sent in the USSR, a train with gifts from 15 thousands of sets of winter uniforms, about 3 thousands of packages worth more than 1,8 million tugriks. The state bank of the USSR transferred 587 thousand tugriks. By April 1943, 8 echelons with food and clothing worth more than 25,3 million tugriks were sent from Mongolia. At the beginning of 1945, a train of presents was sent, consisting of 127 cars.

For the purchase of tanks for the Revolutionary Mongolia convoy in 1942, the people of Mongolia transferred to Vneshtorgbank 2,5 million tugriks, 100 thousand US dollars and 300 kg of gold. By the end of the year, the 53 tank was delivered to the Naro-Fominsk region.

And in 1943, a fundraiser was organized for the acquisition of the Mongolian Arat aircraft squadron. In July 1943, 2 million Tugriks were transferred to the USSR People's Commissariat of Finance. September 25, 1943 at the field airport of the Vyazovaya station in the Smolensk region, the squadron was transferred to the 2nd Guards Regiment of the 322nd Fighter aviation division.

Also during the war more than 500 thousands of horses were delivered from Mongolia to the USSR.

The whole world forged victory!

Observed Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 May 2013 08: 09
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    Yes, you cannot tell everything in one article!
    Many volumes are needed so that history is not forgotten!
    Happy Victory Day!
    1. INTER
      INTER 9 May 2013 09: 50
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      The West at first supported Germany, then threw it. Later this was repeated more than once with other countries.
      1. snek
        snek 9 May 2013 10: 20
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        Quote: INTER
        The West at first supported Germany, then threw it. Later this was repeated more than once with other countries.

        And we, too, first supported Germany, and then she threw us. Only on a holiday can history not be worth digging into dirty linen.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 9 May 2013 13: 46
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        Quote: INTER
        Apad initially supported Germany, then threw it. Later this was repeated more than once with other countries.

        Nobody threw anyone; they traded before the war, after the war, during the war.
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 9 May 2013 10: 46
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      Let's just better say a big thank you to the few victorious veterans left among us. Eternal glory and honor to them. And the fact that they helped us; well, that helped is not shameful, and thanks to those who disinterestedly helped those who fought against the fascist plague.
  2. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 9 May 2013 08: 13
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    The whole world forged victory!

    Golden words! This we were taught in schools!
    But now it turns out that someone won more, but for someone it was not Victory. but occupation.
    Honor and glory to our veterans! Happy Holiday!
  3. tttttt
    tttttt 9 May 2013 08: 40
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    The whole world forged victory!

    Yes, let the west do not ring. They hardened Hitler all over the world, nurtured Hitler Germany, gave control of all of Europe and set them on the USSR. And the second front was opened when it became clear that such a rollback had begun, that the USSR would soon be from Vladivostok to Lisbon. Therefore, they rushed to mark the territory so that at least something was left from Western Europe - that’s the whole second front. We don’t need a land lease either - the amers took out a lot of gold for him, I remember in Soviet childhood a whole series of television reports was like raising sunken Lend-Lease gold from the cruiser Edinburgh. And everyone else from small countries helped everyone so they were afraid of Hitler! I can also say that honor and praise to the Yugoslavs, in Europe only our yuga brothers gave the Germans a serious rebuff. You need to know, clearly understand and pass on to children that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers broke the backbone of the beast. And the jackal nearby turned as usual and was looking for opportunities to snatch.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 9 May 2013 13: 55
      +1
      Do not forget that the United States in the person of Roosevelt, and contrary to Churchill’s persuasion, did not refuse her word and agreements at the Yalta Conference, and withdrawn her troops from occupied territories of Germany to negotiated positions, which already deserves respect.
      Well, it’s kind of like the Swedes or other Europeans, well, they swore eternal friendship to Peter the Great, for the fact that he had ceded the cities to them (and in the USSR they honored and respected Peter 1), well, their habit of breaking their words is they don’t have masculine or gentlemanly qualities, so for them everything blooms with the colors of the rainbow. Personally, I really like it - nothing pleases me like a rainbow after rain - it suits women, but as regards their middle family, we have fewer competitors in winning female hearts.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 9 May 2013 16: 41
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        The soyuz troops did not quite withdraw themselves. The old people were baying: I had to push them. Already two weeks after the Victory and the clearing of the deficiencies, the battalion received an order to move to the line agreed in Yalta. On the way it was fired upon. The scout went, they say: the Angles. The battalion commander was confused, the allies, after all, what to do? I radioed higher and was exasperated: is there an order? Do it! Fire Team! and two Katyushas were assigned to the battalion. Short attack and the town is ours. And there - tunnels up the hill and trains loaded with machines and products "Fau".
        Then there was the trial of the bilateral commission on the clash. By her decision, our major and Her Majesty the brigadier general decided to submit to the tribunal. But the storyteller received the Order of Kutuzov, which he demonstrated.
        Whether everything in the story is historical - God knows. I don't write the name of the town in Austria. In historical publications, everything is written about "Dora". So it's not there.
        VIVA VICTORY!
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 9 May 2013 16: 20
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      I wonder what kind of west is this evil? Is it not France that fell victim to fascist Germany in 1940? Or maybe Britain, which was at war with Germany since its attack on Poland in 1939 and was constantly subjected to German bombing? If this is the United States, then in the same 1939 they began to openly help England with the supply of military products. Still, you need to know at least a little the history of the 2nd World War.
      1. pinachet
        pinachet 9 May 2013 21: 28
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        because to be in a "state of war" and to really fight different things. your France just stupidly surrendered, and you said about learning history, so teach .., teach about the Munich agreement, about the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, and then all of it, Anschluss with Austria, etc., and not your Angians friends urged Poland not to let our troops in to help Czechoslovakia in 1938.
        and Churchill's plan is "unthinkable."
        Yes, they helped with something ... for gold.
        but they helped to the rupe, and they put it on five
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 10 May 2013 14: 34
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          Maybe for balance, it is worth mentioning how Stalin brought Hitler to power, forbidding the German Communists to enter into a bloc with the Social Democrats in the 1933 Reichstag elections. As a result, the Nazis came to power there. One can recall the 1939 Treaty between Germany and the USSR, which actually untied Hitler’s hands to attack Poland. Or about the ongoing trade of the USSR and Germany with strategic raw materials for the German military industry until the moment of the attack on us (two years after the outbreak of World War II). The British, by the way, during the war were not my friends, but one of the strategic allies of the USSR, whose help during the war was much appreciated. And now throwing a stone at them for this is at least dishonorable.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 May 2013 16: 25
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            Quote: yurta2013
            And now throwing a stone at them for this is at least dishonorable.

            Well, of course, they are all so decent in the West, they pay YOU a salary! And Russians are dishonorable just because they are Russians! Dear yurta2013, you are disgusting.
            Quote: yurta2013
            One can recall the 1939 Treaty between Germany and the USSR, which actually untied Hitler’s hands to attack Poland.

            Non-aggression pact - this is not an allied treaty; no need to distort. The Polish government first betrayed the Czechs without missing the Red Army, and then betrayed its own people, abandoning Soviet aid.
            If not for our "Western allies", the war would have ended in 1939, but what can I say, it would not have started in principle.
            1. yurta2013
              yurta2013 10 May 2013 19: 03
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              Quote: Setrac
              Well, of course, they are all so decent in the West, they pay YOU a salary! And Russians are dishonorable just because they are Russians! Dear yurta2013, you are disgusting.

              Personally for me, people are abominable who scold someone for the fact that he once helped them. Well, they don’t like this help. The giver simply had to give something better and more. Yes, he did not have to give anything. Understand this once and for all. By the way, I am now receiving not a salary, but a disability pension, and not from the West, but from our Russian state.
              Quote: Setrac
              The Polish government first betrayed the Czechs without missing the Red Army, and then betrayed its own people, abandoning Soviet aid.

              Of course, any state that does not let the Red Army into its territory betrays its people. How familiar this all is. You, by chance, did not work in the Comintern? Oh yes, you weren’t even born then. But it still seems.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 10 May 2013 20: 48
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                Quote: yurta2013
                Personally for me, people are abominable who scold someone for the fact that he once helped them. Well, they don’t like this help. The giver simply had to give something better and more. Yes, he did not have to give anything. Understand this once and for all. By the way, I am now receiving not a salary, but a disability pension, and not from the West, but from our Russian state.

                They are to blame for the Anglo-Saxons that that war took place, they had to defeat Hitler on their own, without the help of the USSR, the creature, what can I say, a bullet to them and not gratitude.
          2. smile
            smile 11 May 2013 17: 38
            +1
            yurta2013
            for balance, we recall that we fed up Hitler and brought him to power so much any Western countries that the treaties like Moscow — for some reason you called it a pact — we concluded the last of the major countries that the United States traded the whole war with Hitler ... by the way , we took our lands from Poland, but until recently, she wanted to participate with Hitler in the division of the USSR ... just as she had previously torn Czechoslovakia with him ... my god, what rubbish you have in your head. ...: (((
            1. yurta2013
              yurta2013 11 May 2013 18: 14
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              First, I will repeat once again: Stalin also had a hand in Hitler's coming to power. Through the Comintern, he forbade the German Communists to support the Social Democrats in the 1933 Reichstag elections. As a result, the ruling party became the NSDAP (fascists), which gained more votes, and Hitler, respectively, became the chancellor. If not for this miscalculation of Stalin, then Hitler would have had to "feed" the "west" for at least 4 years, and maybe the next chance he would not have been given.
              Secondly, the United States did not trade with Hitler after the start of the 2nd MV. Private large firms traded in secret, and even then through intermediaries.
              Thirdly, then why are we better than that Poland, having taken away lands from it, which, incidentally, she also considered her own, not without reason? And how can all this be justified from the point of view of international law?
              Fourth, Having agreed with Hitler, we actually removed the last obstacle that prevented Hitler from starting a war with Poland and, consequently, the 2nd World War. Without the Moscow Treaty, Hitler would not dare to start this war.
              1. smile
                smile 11 May 2013 19: 05
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                yurta2013
                1. Tales about how Stalin brought Hitler to power tell in another place - where the walls are sheathed with soft material
                2. Read the book "Trade with the Enemy" by the American Hayem, you yourself will understand that you will not be able to dodge
                3. We took away from our enemy, not liquidated by us, Poland, which was carrying out plans to seize our territory right up to the Black Sea, a part of the land it occupied from us ... you don’t see the difference? If you don’t see, then there’s nothing to talk about with you - you pretend to be an idiot ... by the way, her government was interned in Romania on the 14th .... and the new one, which was not chosen by anyone and self-proclaimed after its appearance, declared war on us in October ...
                In the last ... well, what kind of barrier could we possibly imagine for Hitler? We could not defend the country with might and main throat that it was our enemy. that she wants to chop off our land ... especially since she had other allies - two superpowers of the planet (I remember we weren’t one - we were outcasts) ... what kind of war? Hitler wasn’t, he saw the situation perfectly ... our position didn’t matter to him at all - since he saw that neither France nor Britain would take us into allies ... if he wanted, he could not interfere with the Japanese with us in this it’s time to fight, but rather push them and we would be stuck in a fight with Japan ... so don’t read Rezun - it’s dangerous for the fragile psyche ....
                1. yurta2013
                  yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 01
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                  Quote: smile
                  1. Tales about how Stalin brought Hitler to power tell in another place - where the walls are sheathed with soft material

                  1. About how Stalin brought Hitler to power, there is enough material on the Internet. I advise you to read. And not only the Stalinist version, but also the objective information, which is also there.

                  Quote: smile
                  Read the book "Trade with the Enemy" by the American Hayem, you yourself will understand that you will not be able to dodge

                  2. To understand that the US state did not trade with Germany and did not support this trade during the 2nd CF, it is not necessary to read sensational books. It’s enough just to have basic common sense yourself. No one will shoot at the enemy with one hand, and with the other send his weapons to his own temple.

                  Quote: smile
                  We took away from our enemy, not liquidated by us, Poland, which was carrying out plans to seize our territory right up to the Black Sea, a part of the land it occupied from us ..

                  Firstly, the Soviet leadership also "hatched plans to seize" Polish territory since 1920.
                  Secondly, I remind you that until 1918, Poland was also considered part of the Russian Empire. After its occurrence, it was recognized by Soviet Russia, but the border between us was not established. Therefore, where is ours, and where their territory was determined only by the results of the Soviet-Polish war of 1920.
                  Thirdly, "our enemy" Poland (with which, by the way, we had diplomatic relations) was "liquidated" with our help. Our army entered its territory at a time when its army was still resisting almost everywhere and half of Poland was not captured by the Nazis. It was a well-calculated stab in the back, moreover, previously negotiated in the agreement with Hitler.
                  Quote: smile
                  We could not defend the country with might and main throat that it was our enemy. that she wants to chop off our land ..

                  We could not sign a shameful agreement with the Nazis, and then he would not dare to attack Poland, and if he did, we could rightfully send our troops to Poland either as its ally (if she asked us for help ), or after the Germans defeated its army (at least under the pretext of protecting Belarusians and Ukrainians). Hitler would not have decided to enter into an open war with us. His army was too weak then in comparison with ours.
              2. OTTO
                OTTO 11 May 2013 21: 24
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                Quote: yurta2013
                Having agreed with Hitler, we actually removed the last obstacle that prevented Hitler from starting a war with Poland and, consequently, the 2nd World War.

                First, at the time of the signing of the pact, Hitler was still quite a "handshake" politician, and secondly, Poland itself was not averse to concluding an alliance with Germany against us, but did not grow together.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 May 2013 21: 40
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                  It is unclear how the lack of a contract prevented Hitler? Dear Yurt2013, it seems to me your arguments are sucked out of your finger.
                  1. yurta2013
                    yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 12
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                    In September 1939, the Hitler army was much weaker than the Soviet in almost all respects (except for the level of training of command personnel). To understand this, you do not even need to delve into the Internet. It is enough to look through the History of World War II, published here in 2.
                2. yurta2013
                  yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 08
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                  Nevertheless, Poland did not make an alliance with Hitler against us. Secondly, how did Hitler become a "handshake politician" for the Soviet leadership of the USSR after he proclaimed a policy of combating communism throughout the world and imprisoned all German communists in the camps?
          3. pinachet
            pinachet 11 May 2013 17: 50
            +1
            you were not teaching history there, the agreement with the Germans was an answer to the fact that neither the Angles nor the Amers really wanted to negotiate with us.
            and Hitler’s money was brought to power by American money!
            1. yurta2013
              yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 15
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              Nobody forced us to negotiate with Hitler by force. Even without this treaty, Hitler would not dare to fight with us and therefore would be afraid to attack Poland. As a result, the outbreak of World War II could be avoided, at least in 2.
    3. aviator46
      aviator46 9 May 2013 21: 33
      -5
      Not in the subject is not 3.14zdi "patriot".
      For the 2nd front, it was necessary to put the industry on a "war footing", build thousands of ships of different classes, destroy the German submarine / battle for the Atlantic / end the war with Japan, defeat the Germans and Italians in Africa ...

      In addition, before the Allied landings in Normandy, 2/3 of the German Air Force was engaged in covering the territory of Germany from the raids of Anglo-American aviation, and if all these aircraft were thrown onto our front from the "Stalin's falcons", only feathers would remain

      For LendLiz, Stalin did not pay a dime. And gold went to the purchase of goods, in addition to LendLisa.
      The Allies supplied us with almost 2 times automobiles, almost 3 times gunpowder, 15 telephone lines, and 22 times more steam locomotives than were produced in the USSR during the war. Often supplied equipment - all-terrain vehicles, radar equipment, sonar stations, electric pumps, pneumatic tools, multichannel telephone exchanges - in the USSR there were no analogues.

      Teach the materiel and do not drive the blizzard ...
      1. pinachet
        pinachet 11 May 2013 23: 49
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        your logic is somehow strange .. for free, but for gold!
        who cares what goods, rifle or wire, all this is needed for war.
        industrial goods were not taken for themselves, but for victory!
        but in general it’s useless to argue with you, you are a victim of Western propaganda.
  4. family tree
    family tree 9 May 2013 09: 02
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    The whole world against Hitler? I doubt it, however. Rather, almost all of Europe against the USSR, got snot, wiped out, went over to the side of the winners, after the victory they began to shout louder: "We plowed ...", or traded on two fronts throughout the war.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 9 May 2013 09: 24
      +3
      Hitler was brought up by the French and the British.
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      2. pav-pon1972
        pav-pon1972 9 May 2013 23: 22
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        + USA. http://ru-an.info/news_content.php?id=773
      3. yurta2013
        yurta2013 10 May 2013 14: 39
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        And Stalin in 1933.
        Quote: Deniska999
        Hitler was brought up by the French and the British.

    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 9 May 2013 16: 45
      +1
      it was both. everyone was enough and generalized, as always very carefully.
      GLORY TO THE WINNERS! this is unconditionally and forever.
    3. aviator46
      aviator46 9 May 2013 21: 38
      -3
      Another victim of the exam)))
      And who fought against Germany, was it too lazy to find out ??

      "... 53 states were at war with the countries of the fascist bloc: Australia, Argentina, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Great Britain, Venezuela, Haiti, Guatemala, Honduras, Greece, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Egypt, India, Iraq, Iran, Canada, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Liberia, Lebanon, Luxembourg, Mexico, Nigeria, Netherlands, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, El Salvador, Saudi Arabia, Syria, USSR, USA, Turkey, Uruguay, Philippines, France, Czechoslovakia, Chile, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia, Union of South Africa [1].
      Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy, Romania, Finland, Croatia also declared war on the "Axis countries" at the final stage of the confrontation ... "
      1. family tree
        family tree 10 May 2013 00: 19
        +2
        Quote: aviator46
        Another victim of the exam)))
        And who fought against Germany, was it too lazy to find out ??

        What for! laughing Especially Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy, Romania, Finland, Croatia pleased.
        Netherlands: Two Dutch SS divisions (23rd and 34th) were created from Dutch volunteers. And the queen courageously threshed the Wehrmacht ... in London.
        Turkey:
        The situation with Turkey became especially tense in the summer of 1942, after the start of the German offensive on Stalingrad and the Caucasus. In Turkey, mobilization was carried out, its armed forces reached a population of 1 million people. With the beginning of the German offensive, about 750 thousand of them were transferred by the Turks to the Soviet-Turkish border in the Batumi region. In total, from July 1942, against the Soviet Transcaucasian Front (re-formed on May 1, 1942), the Turkish army deployed 4 army corps, 16 infantry divisions, of which 7 divisions arrived during July, 2 cavalry divisions and one motorized rifle brigade. According to other sources, the Turkish group at the border at that time numbered about 50 divisions.
        Not fused. Stalingrad did not pass.
        Luxembourg:
        In total, during the occupation, 10 Luxembourgers were called up to the Wehrmacht. Of these, 211 died, 2 were missing.
        1 Luxembourgers who served in the Wehrmacht and fought on the German-Soviet front fell into Soviet captivity (653 of them died in captivity).

        Etc.
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 10 May 2013 05: 37
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          Firstly, after Germany occupied Austria, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg and the Czech Republic, all these countries were included in the Reich. Included in it were the western regions of France (Alsace and Lorraine). The fact that the Germans managed to form their units in these territories is not surprising. The Dutch, Scandinavians and Luxembourgers are in the same relationship with the Germans as the Ukrainians are with us. They are all descendants of the ancient Germans. The Austrians generally do not differ much from the Germans of Germany, and in the Sudetenland of the Czech Republic and in French Alsace and Logtaringia the German-speaking population prevailed. Naturally, among them there were many supporters of the revival of the united Germanic Reich. I think a similar situation would arise today if Russian troops occupied, for example, eastern Ukraine. It would be easy to get replenishment for our army there. Only Ukraine itself would have nothing to do with it.
      2. pinachet
        pinachet 12 May 2013 00: 04
        0
        yes no it's you victim of the exam!
        You stupidly downloaded the list on Wikipedia, but you couldn’t think who really fought, and who simply indicated the position!
        Costa Rica has fought a lot .., on which front ???? and Columbia sorry aircraft carrier sent ??? Well, did Ethiopia deliver spears to the Kursk arch?
        Argentina ... but weren’t the Nazis officially hiding there !?
        the fact that you are a stupid person or a "sent Cossack" says only the fact that you do not know that: Hungary, Italy, Romania, Finland, fought against us !!! on the side of the Germans !! and stopped only after the defeat and liberation of these countries.
  5. erased
    erased 9 May 2013 09: 17
    11
    Help from the USSR came from everywhere! Not disinterestedly, but that’s not the point! And the fact that during the war, American companies were doing business with Germany. That almost all of Europe worked for Germany. That almost all of Europe fought against the USSR: the French, Czechs, Poles, Austrians, Spaniards, Italians, Scandinavians, Hungarians ... NOT counting the scum of traitors of former USSR citizens.
    The Red Army defeated them all!
    The Soviet people have always been grateful to the allies and friendly peoples for their help! Only now all these allies have now become enemies and are again ready to attack Russia. They forgot the lessons of that war. And they want to get a new lesson, already on their neck!
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 9 May 2013 16: 34
      -8
      Incidentally, partisan detachments operated in France, Poland, the Czech Republic, and Italy during World War II. In addition, Poland and the Czech Republic did not send their units to our front (they did not have them). The Spaniards sent only a division to it, France - 2 battalions, which, having received thrashing on the Borodino field, were immediately returned. It is unclear who you mean by the Scandinavians. Denmark and Norway did not send their units to Russia, because as a state they no longer actually existed. The Swedes remained neutral. Only the Finns fought, and even then, after reaching the old state border, they were not particularly active.
      1. erased
        erased 9 May 2013 21: 06
        +4
        The SS Viking Division was made up of Scandinavians. Scandinavians served in other parts too. Czechs and Poles served in German units. From Italy fought first the Corps of the IRGC, then the Army ARMIR, from Spain "Blue Division".
        Plus Romanian troops.
        Who called them to my land? Who made them kill my people, burn and rob my country ?? Did the USSR attack these countries?
        Yes, there was a squadron "Normandie-Niemen", but there were also French fascists. There was a brigade (later a division) of Ludwig Svoboda, but the Germans also had Czech units. And all the factories in the Czech Republic worked for Germany.
        I remember everything - both good and evil! I am grateful for the good, I will not forgive evil !!!
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 10 May 2013 05: 49
          -2
          At least for the sake of the French partisans and the Normandie-Niemen squadron, you left France alone. There were fascists in many countries, and today we even have them. But this does not give the right to blame the whole country and its people. Moreover, this applies to the Czech Republic. For your information, the regions of the Czech Republic adjacent to Germany have long been inhabited by a German-speaking population. After the occupation, they were directly incorporated into the Reich. It was there that, in the main, those Hitlerite units you mention were formed. By the way, the surviving factories in the part of the USSR occupied by the Germans also worked for them. People needed to eat something. Few are ready to die of hunger even out of a sense of patriotism.
      2. family tree
        family tree 10 May 2013 06: 57
        +1
        Quote: yurta2013
        France - 4 battalions, which, having received a thrashing on the Borodino field, were immediately returned.

        We type in a search engine: SS Division "Charlemagne" and quietly go nuts from the crackle of the template.
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 00
          0
          Before you go nuts, you should read the article to the end, and not be limited only to the title. For your sake, I read it. It became a division only on February 10, 1945. Before that, there was first a legion, that is, a regiment. Judging by the article, only one of his battalions participated in the battle of Moscow. Then the legion was sent to the rear, where he fought with the partisans in Belarus, and in the summer of 1944 he was badly damaged there by the Soviet troops. Then, his remnants were combined with a replenishment recruited from French collaborators, creating a new unit - the 8th SS assault brigade. In battles with the red army in Galicia, she suffered heavy losses, after which, in September, she was replenished with new collaborators who retreated from France with German troops and began to be called the Grenadier Brigade of the SS Charlemagne. By the way, not only the French fought in its composition, but also Russians (white emigrants), Ukrainians, Georgians, Arabs from the French colonies, and Negroes. Collaborators were in all countries occupied by Germany, including Russia. I hope on this basis no one will raise a hand to accuse Russia of participating in the war against the USSR on the side of fascist Germany.
          1. family tree
            family tree 10 May 2013 21: 29
            +1
            What article? And what has to do with the combat path "Charlemagne", if according to your statement
            The Spaniards sent only a division to it, France - 4 battalions, which, having received thrashing on the Borodino field, were immediately returned. It is unclear who you mean by the Scandinavians
            And the Scandinavians, this is the 11th SS Volunteer Tank-Grenadier Division "Nordland"
            And on top of it:
            - Bretonishe Waffenverband der SS "Bezzen Perrot"

            The nationalist party PNB (Parti National Breton), which sought independence from "colonialist France", was favorably received by the Germans. Under the SD, the Bezen Perrot (Perrault Group) division was created, registered by the Germans under the name Bretonishe Waffenverband der SS. 80 volunteers were recruited there. They began to wear SS uniforms and a Celtic cross as a patch. The unit took part in operations against French partisans starting in March 1944. Subsequently, they were included in the special SD units.


            - 21st Panzer Division (21 Panzer Division)

            There were about 21 French trucks and a number of Somua and Hotchkiss armored vehicles in the technical fleet of the 50st Wehrmacht tank division. For their maintenance, French mechanics were required. The 2nd company of the Werkstattkompanie (supply, repair) consisted of 230 French volunteers who did not have any badges on the German uniform testifying to their nationality.


            - Division Brandenburg

            Division Brandenbourg (formerly regiment) - was a special reconnaissance and sabotage unit of Abwehr.
            In 1943, out of 180 Frenchmen, the 8th company of the 3rd regiment was stationed, stationed in Eaux-Bonnes at the foot of the Pirines (southwestern France). Operating in southern France, the company imitated resistance units using captured radio stations and intercepted many transports with weapons and military materials, which led to numerous arrests. The company also took part in the battles against the Resistance forces, which went down in history as the Battle of Vercors (June-July 1944). According to the materials of the historian Vladimir Krupnik, in these battles significant forces of the Germans and collaborators (more than 10 people) suppressed a large partisan demonstration on the Vercors isolated mountain plateau, responding to de Gaulle's call to support the Allied landing in Normandy. Of the 000 guerrillas who took part in the battles, 4 were killed).
            1. family tree
              family tree 10 May 2013 21: 30
              +1

              - German Navy (Kriegsmarine)

              In the 1943 year, Kriegsmarine opened recruitment centers in several major ports in France. Volunteers were enrolled in German units and wore German military uniforms without additional patches.
              In a German report dated February 4, 1944, on the number of Frenchmen working in the ports of Brest, Cherbourg, Lorient and Toulon at the Kriegsmarine bases, the following figures are given: 93 officers, 3 non-commissioned officers, 000 engineers, 160 technicians and 680 civilians. In January 25, the Germans began recruiting 000 volunteers to guard duty at the naval base in La Rochelle. The unit was named Kriegsmarinewerftpolizei "La Pallice" and was commanded by Lieutenant Rene Lanz, a WWI and LVF veteran. On June 1943, 200, the German command of the La Rochelle base gave the French volunteers a choice: to stay to guard the base or to join the SS-Waffen. A similar offer was made to other Frenchmen serving at the time in the Kriegsmarine. About 30 of these Frenchmen were transferred to Greifenberg, where they joined the SS Charlemagne Division.

              - Todt Organization (OT)

              In France, the OT was engaged in the construction of bases for submarines and coastal fortifications. 112 Germans, 000 French and 152 North Africans participated in the work. About 000 French volunteers served in the armed guards of construction sites after training in the town of Celle Saint Cloud near Paris. At the end of 170, a certain number of Frenchmen were transferred to the construction of coastal facilities in Norway. Several hundred of them were sent to Greifenberg, where they joined the SS Charlemagne division.

              - NSKK (Nationalsocialistische Kraftfahrkorps) Motorgruppe Luftwaffe (Logistics Division of the Luftwaffe).

              There were about 2 French in the NSKK who served in the 500th NSKK regiment in Vilvorde, Belgium. The non-commissioned officers of the regiment were represented by Germans-Alsatians. In early 4, the regiment took part in the fighting near Rostov. In 1943, a battle group was formed from among the French serving in the NSKK, which took part in anti-partisan operations in Northern Italy and Croatia. In July 1944, 1943 NSKK French troops, led by a man named Jean-Marie Balestre, deserted and entered SS-Waffen. Most of them fought at SS-Waffen until the end of the war.

              - African Phalange (Phalange Africaine)

              On November 14 in Paris, the idea of ​​creating a unit from Africans (African Phalange) was proclaimed. included in the 330nd battalion of the 210th regiment of the 2th Panzer-Grenadier Division (754 Panzerarmee). 334 April 5, the company entered the battle against the British (7th Infantry Division) in the Medjez-El-Bab area. In 1943 days, the Allies launched a general offensive in this sector.Under artillery fire, the Phalanx lost half of its people killed and wounded in one hour ... 78 surviving Africans were captured after the fall of Tunisia , while ten people from among those who were captured by the Gaullists were shot, the rest were sentenced to long periods of the rock of imprisonment. About 9 phalangists "who were lucky enough to be captured by the Anglo-Americans, were later enlisted in the units of the Free French and ended the war victorious in Germany ...
              1. family tree
                family tree 10 May 2013 21: 37
                +1
                How?! And these, too, defeated us, or what?
                Keitel, about the French, when signing the Act of unconditional surrender.
              2. yurta2013
                yurta2013 11 May 2013 05: 51
                0
                The fact that one and a half or two hundred thousand French people worked for the Germans does not prove your idea, since all the rest (that is, ten times more) did not work for the Germans.
            2. yurta2013
              yurta2013 11 May 2013 05: 39
              0
              Why are there so many quotes to confirm my conclusion that all the volunteer armed units of collaborators in France for the entire period did not exceed 2-3 tens of thousands of people, that is, significantly less than the French partisans and Frenchmen who fought against the Nazis in the armies of the allied powers. By the way, there were much more soldiers in the Vlasov army, but you won’t say that Russia fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler. As for the Scandinavians, Denmark and Norway were included in the Reich, so these countries did not form any units. The fact that the Scandinavians are the same relatives of the Germans as Ukrainians for the Russians, I have already said in one of the comments above. It is clear that among them were supporters of a unified German Reich, as well as part of the Ukrainians are supporters of a unified Russian state.
              1. family tree
                family tree 11 May 2013 11: 52
                +1
                Well, right, you have the facts, and you answer your speculations. In general, information is open, and on poppies, and "Free France", and "Normandy-Niemen", by year, by number and by database. Seek and find. There is a saying: "The road is a spoon for dinner." Then compare.
                Through the ROA, Khivi, etc., about a million and a little passed, it is not difficult to compare with the number of the Red Army, as well as the conditions for the formation of the ROA and the same "Charlemagne".
                He smiled about the Germans, didn’t the Germans try to say that?
                1. yurta2013
                  yurta2013 11 May 2013 12: 59
                  0
                  They do not need to talk about the kinship of the Germans with the Scandinavians. they know their history. A separate explanation for you: both of them have common ancestors - the ancient Germans. The same is true of the Dutch, Luxembourgers, most of the Belgians and even the British. This was what Hitler was counting on when he created his 3rd Reich. By the way, the Franks, who gave the name to France, were also Germans. Under Charlemagne, in the 9th century, both German and all French lands were part of the Frankish Empire. Hence the name of the 33rd SS Division - "Charlemagne", that is, Charlemagne in French. And comparing ROA with this division in terms of numbers is rather ridiculous. I have no need to count the number of the French who fought the Nazis. You need to prove that there were fewer of them than collaborationists. True, this task is not an easy one.
                  1. family tree
                    family tree 11 May 2013 16: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: yurta2013
                    You need to prove that there were fewer than collaborators.

                    And I'm not going to. I know that it is much more, but, in 44-45. Once again, "Road to Dinner Spoon"
                    "... 53 states were at war with the countries of the fascist bloc: Australia, Argentina, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Great Britain, Venezuela, Haiti, Guatemala, Honduras, Greece, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Egypt, India, Iraq, Iran, Canada, China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Liberia, Lebanon, Luxembourg, Mexico, Nigeria, Netherlands, Nicaragua, New Zealand, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Poland, El Salvador, Saudi Arabia, Syria, USSR, USA, Turkey, Uruguay, Philippines, France, Czechoslovakia, Chile, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia, Union of South Africa [1].
                    Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy, Romania, Finland, Croatia also declared war on the "Axis countries" at the final stage of the confrontation ... "
                    It's true. But between is at war and fighting, two big differences.
                    So again, by year, by number, by database.
                    1. family tree
                      family tree 11 May 2013 16: 55
                      +2
                      So I will repeat myself. Almost all of Europe against the USSR, got snot, rubbed off, went over to the side of the winners, after the victory they began to shout louder: "We plowed ...", or traded on two fronts throughout the war.
                      1. yurta2013
                        yurta2013 11 May 2013 18: 29
                        0
                        Again, not all of Europe against the USSR, but fascist Germany itself with a handful of very weak allies, and several regiments of volunteer fascists from some of the occupied countries of Western Europe. All together, these allies on the Soviet front, even in their best times, were no more than 1/4 of the German army. Yes, at the end of the war, the German allies (Romania, Hungary, Finland, Italy) really "deserted". The same cannot be said about the rest of Europe (except Bulgaria).
                      2. family tree
                        family tree 11 May 2013 19: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: yurta2013
                        Together, these allies on the Soviet front, even in the best of times for them, amounted to no more than 1/4 of the German army.

                        I pushed myself from your quarter and calculated that if we proceed from the Wehrmacht for 1941, we get about 113 infantry divisions, if we take the staff of the Wehrmacht infantry division.
                        with a handful of very low-power allies, and several regiments of fascist volunteers from some occupied countries of Western Europe.
                      3. family tree
                        family tree 11 May 2013 19: 55
                        +1
                        No one knows how many French fought on either side, but a couple of numbers. During World War II, 20 members of the French Resistance died. The number of French citizens in Soviet captivity is 000. The numbers are painfully similar.
                      4. family tree
                        family tree 11 May 2013 20: 34
                        +1
                        http://militera.lib.ru/memo/german/sajer/index.html
                        yurta2013 is a memoir. Read at your leisure.
                      5. yurta2013
                        yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 23
                        0
                        If you do not know how many French fought on either side, then why get into this dispute? Fortune-telling on the coffee grounds makes no sense.
                    2. yurta2013
                      yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 27
                      0
                      If you mean the beginning of the war, then according to official Soviet historiography, the allies of Germany put up 37 divisions against the USSR, and the Germans 153 (History of World War II, vol. 2, p.4. 21).
        2. Tartary
          Tartary 12 May 2013 19: 34
          0
          Quote: yurta2013
          It is clear that among them were supporters of a unified German Reich, as well as part of the Ukrainians are supporters of a unified Russian state.

          I note-the vast majority of Ukrainians, something more than 90% ...
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  • Boris55
    Boris55 9 May 2013 10: 05
    +5
    Zionism Is a political and organizational form of Judaism. And Judaism is the spiritual content of Zionism. The bestial essence of Judaism and Zionism is understood by most of the peoples of the world. 10 November 1975 at the XXX session of the UN General Assembly adopted a historic Resolution No. 3379in which Zionism was recognized as a form of racial discrimination - racismbut. This is an assessment of the entire world community, and it is fully consistent with reality ...

    Jews financed Hitler.


    Who benefited from this war? To the one who has become richer. After the war, the United States became the richest country in the world. We, for their help, paid in gold.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 9 May 2013 16: 37
      -2
      True, still have not paid. While we go in debtors.
  • heavytank
    heavytank 9 May 2013 11: 01
    +7
    About 150 Jews served in the SS. Before the war, American Jews invested many millions in German industry.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 9 May 2013 11: 24
      +6
      there were friends who didn’t sell states and Sweden, whose friendship is so dear to them, and Mongolia, which, with its not very powerful potential, managed to help for free. Yes, I am aware of the battles on the halkin-goal, etc., and the USSR helped Mongolia , but gratitude not only in words is an amazing thing in politics. But if I am mistaken. Happy holiday, forum users!
    2. v53993
      v53993 9 May 2013 11: 30
      +1
      Jews are pawns, but the Jews must be crushed, as the successors of the Levites, the enemies of men.
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      3. Boris55
        Boris55 9 May 2013 16: 30
        +1
        150 000 Jews served in Hitler’s army. In January 1944, the Wehrmacht personnel department prepared a secret 77 list of high-ranking officers and generals "mixed with the Jewish race or married to Jewish women." All 77 had Hitler's personal certificates of "German blood." Among the listed are 23 colonel, 5 major generals, 8 lieutenant generals and two full army generals. Today, Brian Rigg says: "To this list you can add 60 names of senior officers and generals of the Wehrmacht, aviation and navy, including two field marshals." http: //ru-an.info/news_content.php? id ...



        The national composition of the captured Soviet troops from 22.06.1941 to 2.09.1945 of the year

        Germans 2 389 560 people
        Japanese 639 635
        Hungarians 513 767
        Romanian 187 370
        Austrians 156 682
        Czechoslovakia 69 977
        Poles 60 280
        Italians 48 957
        French 23 136
        Yugoslavs 21 822
        Moldavians 14 129
        Chinese 12 928
        Jews 10 173
        Koreans 7 785
        Dutch 4 729
        Mongols 3608
        Finns 2377
        Belgians 2010
        Luxembourgers 1652
        Danes Xnumx
        Spaniards 452
        Gypsies 383
        Norwegians Xnumx
        Swedes Xnumx

        And this is only captured ....
        If someone doesn’t know, they take enemy troops, the civilian population is released.
        http://internet.bibo.kz/431577-realnye-cifry-poter-vermakhta.html
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 9 May 2013 22: 41
          -4
          And to look in which army and in which units were these Jews? Hungary, "labor battalions". In uniform, but unarmed and guarded. Although what is it me. It would not have been such a holy Day, I would not even have paid attention to Lokatov's underdevelopments.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 10 May 2013 11: 01
            -1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            "labor battalions".

            Thank. Now I know who built Auschwitz with Buchenwald and other death camps.
        2. yurta2013
          yurta2013 10 May 2013 06: 08
          -1
          All these "prisoners" were taken, including on the territory already occupied by our troops by that time. To believe that they all served in German units is the height of frivolity. It is especially ridiculous to read the mention of the gypsies, whom the Germans mercilessly destroyed wherever possible. Most likely, this list also includes all persons arrested or captured by our soldiers in the indicated territories. In Poland, this could be, for example, soldiers of the Home Army, many of whom then fought against the Soviet occupation units. I already wrote about other Europeans in one of the previous comments above. As for the Mongols, a significant part of them lived on the territory of Manchuria and therefore, served in the Chinese army "Manchukuo". The same goes for the Chinese.
      4. Aljavad
        Aljavad 9 May 2013 16: 54
        -2
        if someone says: the Holocaust was staged (invented) by the Jews - spit in that (vdarte). I don't know about the SS. But in the Wehrmacht there were enough "half-breeds". And they fought. And they enjoyed authority. But there is no need to generalize. Here the Cossacks fought heroically on both sides of the front. What is it? The tragedy of a divided people. And it's like with the Jews - to live in Germany for centuries, to become an integral part of its culture, science, history, and suddenly "untermension"? They found a different way out: some emigrated, some - Aryan ancestors. Life, you know.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 9 May 2013 18: 49
          +3
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          You are a liar and a scoundrel! And the ones you plus are just Nazi disadvantages!

          Why does everyone admit that they were both there and there and only the Jews do not want to admit it? What is the reason? Does this have anything to do with the Holocaust? I mean, having recognized the presence of Jews in the Wehrmacht’s army, will the Jews have to return everything they received for the Holocaust myth?
          1. zennon
            zennon 9 May 2013 19: 03
            +3
            The myth of the "Holocaust" is a separate huge topic, and you will have to answer for it. You can deceive one person, you can deceive many for a long time, but you cannot always deceive everyone!
      5. TUMAN
        TUMAN 9 May 2013 23: 36
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        You are a liar and a scoundrel! And the ones you plus are just Nazi disadvantages!

        Aron! Che really burns his eyes ?!
  • ObnaPur
    ObnaPur 9 May 2013 11: 15
    +4
    The Mongols have pleased!
    1. zennon
      zennon 9 May 2013 19: 06
      +1
      Quote: ObnaPur
      The Mongols have pleased!

      Yes, they have always been faithful allies.
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 10
        0
        But what about the list of prisoners of war of our army with Boris55? There the Mongols are also indicated.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 9 May 2013 11: 35
    +4
    The responsibility for the 2nd World War rests entirely with England and America! It was they who sponsored the gadik !!! It was they who directed him! The Allies are their mother! am
    1. sashka
      sashka 9 May 2013 11: 41
      -2
      Quote: djon3volta
      The responsibility for the 2nd World War rests entirely with England and America! It was they who sponsored the gadik !!! It was they who directed him! The Allies are their mother!

      Do you work with "esaul"? for 85 rubles per comment? I thought it was a "decent" site
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 9 May 2013 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: Sasha
        Do you work with "esaul"? for 85 rubles per comment? I thought it was a "decent" site

        The truth cannot be indecent, the United States and Britain as the main organizers are to blame, Japan and Germany are stupid performers. The USSR is a victim.
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 9 May 2013 16: 45
          -5
          It is unclear what the US and Britain are organizers of. London bombing? Drownings of American merchant ships by German liners in 1940-41?
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 9 May 2013 17: 01
          +1
          Simplifying - you can go in the wrong place. Everything was more complicated and contradictory. Countries and peoples are not chips on the playing field. They are a combination of millions of wills, opinions, interests, positions. The opinion of the authorities is not always an indicator. Even the opinion of the majority is momentary and transitory. Hanging a label is easy. Finding and understanding the roots and causes is VERY difficult. Fear shortcuts. VIVA VICTORY!
          1. Cheloveck
            Cheloveck 9 May 2013 22: 06
            +2
            Quote: Aljavad
            Simplifying - you can go in the wrong place. Everything was more complicated and contradictory. Countries and peoples are not chips on the playing field. They are a combination of millions of wills, opinions, interests, positions. The opinion of the authorities is not always an indicator. Even the opinion of the majority is momentary and transitory. Hanging a label is easy. Finding and understanding the roots and causes is VERY difficult. Fear shortcuts.

            Oh, how many letters ... and, seemingly, correct, ideologically sustained, but incorrect in essence.
            Countries and peoples, just chips on the playing field, history proves this repeatedly.
            As for "millions of wills, opinions, interests, positions", the authorities have long learned to manage all these effectively and direct them in a direction favorable to it.
            Would you like specific examples, or will you figure it out yourself?
            1. yurta2013
              yurta2013 10 May 2013 06: 24
              0
              If you are talking about the Stalinist and fascist regimes, then you completely agree with you. For the rest, I agree only partially.
        3. djon3volta
          djon3volta 9 May 2013 18: 33
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          The truth cannot be indecent, the United States and Britain as the main organizers are to blame, Japan and Germany are stupid performers. The USSR is a victim.

          who is not lazy for 1.5 hours he will look. here everything is on the shelves from and to. starting from Nicholas 2 to the present day. England and the USA have been trying to ruin Russia for more than 100 years. all the details in this doc. film.

          1. Dilshat
            Dilshat 10 May 2013 05: 02
            +1
            I looked completely despite the late hour. The answer is to all look to eliminate political illiteracy. Mandatory. yes
    2. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 9 May 2013 13: 36
      +1
      The best option to clarify who was in power in the United States and in England during the formation of the hitler, which private organizations profited from renting the hitler to power, etc., is before rolling barrels on America - do not forget that this is already two huge continents and a bridge, otherwise you yourself laugh at the North Americans that they are so "perky" that they confuse Estonia with Tokyo.

      And to generalize, only women are allowed - a man must be concise and accurate as a Voroshilov shooter!

      PiES: the opening, albeit with difficulty and with a delay of the 2nd front, is still a brilliant victory for Russian diplomacy, and of course Heroism and Courage of the Red Army.

      And then, with modern trends, the hitler will soon be an innocent sheep that has fallen into the Eagle paws of sharks of Western capitalism.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 9 May 2013 15: 03
        -1
        Kostya is a pedestrian - are you a Chukchi ?? Don't you understand Russian? Written by USA is not America. Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer smile No one confuses the United States with Brazil, well, maybe except you.
  • omsbon
    omsbon 9 May 2013 11: 49
    +4
    Happy Victory Day!
    Russia will never forget those who unselfishly helped us in the war!
    1. sashka
      sashka 9 May 2013 12: 05
      -2
      Quote: omsbon
      Russia will never forget those who unselfishly helped us in the war!

      In this case, you are a terrorist .. According to the Law .. Even so according to the thought .. Glory to Pu .. Ambiguous and not correct ..
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 9 May 2013 14: 07
        0
        Explain, please.
  • Chavy
    Chavy 9 May 2013 12: 29
    +3
    Not against Hitler, but against Zionism. They tactfully attributed everything to Hitler, but do not forget who brought him and sponsored it. The Gestapo served a large number of Jewish Zionists. Hitler was surrounded by almost all Zionist Jews. Himmler, Rosenblum, Goebbels, Eichmann, etc.

    Europe is still occupied by them, there is no Hitler, and they continue to spoil only other methods more sophisticated; Juvenile Justice, Feminism, Homosexuality, Multiculturalism, GMOs, etc. etc.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 May 2013 13: 41
      -8
      Quote: Chavy
      Not against Hitler, but against Zionism. They tactfully attributed everything to Hitler, but do not forget who brought him and sponsored it. The Gestapo served a large number of Jewish Zionists. Hitler was surrounded by almost all Zionist Jews. Himmler, Rosenblum, Goebbels, Eichmann, etc.

      I demand that moderators take action. Here on the site is frank pro-Nazi propaganda.
      This is no longer stupidity, but a criminal offense!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 9 May 2013 15: 05
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I demand that moderators take action. Here on the site is frank pro-Nazi propaganda.
        This is no longer stupidity, but a criminal offense!

        In Russia, we have freedom of speech and are not jailed for denying the Holocaust. True eyes hurt, as the Jude sharpened sharply.
      2. NO HOPE
        NO HOPE 9 May 2013 15: 06
        -7
        You forgot a coupon for a place in the oven.
      3. Chavy
        Chavy 9 May 2013 17: 59
        0
        I wonder where you saw the pro-Nazi propaganda? You say that there were no Jews with Hitler? Or in the SS did not serve 150 000 Jewish Soltaden?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 9 May 2013 22: 11
          +2
          Quote: Chavy
          I wonder where you saw the pro-Nazi propaganda? You say that there were no Jews with Hitler? Or in the SS did not serve 150 000 Jewish Soltaden?
          Yes, I want to say that not a single Jew served either in the Wehrmacht or in the SS. According to the racial laws of the "Third Reich", persons whose grandfathers or grandmothers were baptized Jews did not belong to Jews, but were Mishlings, i.e. Germans, but with a deteriorated pedigree. German origins can be traced back to church books from both parents until the 18th century. You and others like you have outdone the Nazis in search of Jewish blood.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 9 May 2013 22: 22
            +2
            I agree with you.

            Just walking among our overly "patriotic" such a bike. And, as far as I know, not local, but from Americans who are fiercely hated by these same "patriots".

            There, a retired US major living in Germany raised the first topic.
            1. Chavy
              Chavy 10 May 2013 00: 01
              -1
              This is not a bike, there are enough books and studies on this topic. Many copies of these books were bought and destroyed. Holocaust denied historians sent to prison. There are more than 50 books on the involvement of Jewish capital and Zionism in Hitler's arrival, the creation of numerous Getos, and the extermination of Slavic peoples in them.
          2. Chavy
            Chavy 9 May 2013 23: 51
            +1


            Hitler himself decided who was Jewish and who was not. For him, non-Jews were mostly Soviet Jews. He kept his German to himself, but who did not want to leave for Palestine and America in 1933, releasing them with his capitals.
      4. Chavy
        Chavy 10 May 2013 00: 05
        +2
        This unique film was created in the early 70s on behalf of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee and with the assistance of the KGB of the USSR. It presented documents and facts of tremendous revelatory power. The film was shown to members of the public - scientific and creative intelligentsia, as well as to senior party leaders. However, the show at the box office was delayed, and later, during the perestroika period, almost all printed copies of it were destroyed. The country's leaders did not have enough political will. In this film, only the tip of the iceberg was shown, and all-corroding rust has already captured the governing structures of the state. The real film was found and restored in 1999.

      5. heavytank
        heavytank 10 May 2013 20: 51
        -1
        Israel born of Adolf Hitler
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 9 May 2013 18: 38
      +2
      Quote: Chavy
      but do not forget who brought him and sponsored

  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 9 May 2013 13: 21
    +1
    Do not forget that we live in the etheric ocean, and like any other ocean on Earth, it has many different undercurrents, and although it is a homogeneous mass of water, for frequent these currents are in the opposite direction in the same bay.

    The author of the article wants to talk about the gratuitous help to our peoples fighting against fascism, and not who opposed the Victorious Red Army and our homeland - the USSR. And for me, this article revealed a lot of interesting new information.

    And even though on this wonderful May Spring holiday, it would be great if you could resist racial discrimination, militant nationalism and simply unreasonable hatred of the civilian population - from all that our ancestors defeated in the spring of 1945.

    The feat of the peoples of the USSR is immortal! As well as the contribution of other peoples of the Earth. Still, an extra can of "Second Front" or a pair of warm cotton uniforms were never superfluous in the trenches in the fierce winter, I think so.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 9 May 2013 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Kostya pedestrian
      Still, an extra can of "Second Front" or a pair of warm cotton uniforms were never superfluous in the trenches in the fierce winter, I think so.

      And ten extra cans are better than one, but rather let them send divisions, divisions, and divisions.
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 9 May 2013 16: 54
        0
        Stews were sent significantly more than 10 cans. Their total volume exceeded the entire stew production in the USSR during the war years.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 9 May 2013 19: 39
          0
          Quote: yurta2013
          Stews were sent significantly more than 10 cans. Their total volume exceeded the entire stew production in the USSR during the war years.

          4% of the military production of the USSR - Lend-Lease. The role of the West in the victory over Hitler is so small that it is not visible, the mosquitoes that bit the Wehrmacht soldiers made a greater contribution than the Anglo-Saxon soldiers.
          1. yurta2013
            yurta2013 10 May 2013 06: 33
            0
            According to objective data, we received stews, according to various estimates, from 106 to 125% of our production (See the book by M. Baryatinsky "Lend-Lease Tanks in Battle" (2011). See the rest of the figures in my comments to the article under discussion.
  • Odissey
    Odissey 9 May 2013 13: 43
    +3
    It would be worth mentioning also the help of Tuva - at that time an independent state. Perhaps this will be the biggest help from the state, not affected by the war, in relation to its strength and size. It is enough to say that the country provided substantial financial support: it transferred money and gold to the USSR (all its gold reserves, gold mined, voluntary assistance from the population), horses (50 thousand) and cattle (700 tons of heads). Many Tuvans went to the front as volunteers. Their help was very substantial.
    Of course, the state later became part of the USSR. But still, first of all, it is precisely such selfless allies that should be appreciated and remembered. This is not America, welded in the war.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 9 May 2013 22: 09
      +1
      Special thanks to Shoigu - Tuva. smile
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 9 May 2013 14: 36
    +2
    ALL! ALL! ALL! WITH THE MAIN HOLIDAY OF GREAT RUSSIA AND ALL ITS PEOPLES! EVERYONE WHO IS MIND, BLOOD, BECAUSE THE SHOWER BROUGHT HER, WHO WAITED FOR HER, WHO HAPPENED HER, THOSE WHO REMEMBER HER AND KEEP HER TRADITIONS! GLORY TO THE WINNERS! THE ETERNAL MEMORY OF THE UNDELIVED!
    1. Artmark
      Artmark 9 May 2013 16: 39
      +1
      YES ALL WITH A VICTORY drinks ! THIS IS A HOLIDAY OF THE USSR, and if I do not live in Russia, then this is not my holiday ??? request
  • individual
    individual 9 May 2013 15: 55
    0
    The whole world against Hitler? It was different. Europe fell under Hitler, someone was waiting, someone was solving his problems of reorganizing the World, someone was solving the redistribution of finances into his sphere of interests, someone was openly profiting from the troubles, needs and difficulties of the USSR. Someone else is something. The Soviet Union, with its human and geographical resources, multiplied by firm leadership, by the courage and bravery of the Russian peasant, resolved all questions of Nazi aggression against the USSR.
    We need to understand in advance that no allies will help us.
    A strong political leadership and peasant will repel any threat.
    HOLIDAY YOU !!! HAPPY VICTORY !!!
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 9 May 2013 17: 03
      -3
      You cannot be so ungrateful. All the same, huge help was provided to us. Without it, we could hardly have survived even in 1942. And the entry into the US war in December 1941 actually guaranteed us from an attack by Japan from the east.
      1. zennon
        zennon 9 May 2013 18: 31
        0
        Quote: yurta2013
        You cannot be so ungrateful. All the same, huge help was provided to us. Without it, we could hardly have survived even in 1942. And the entry into the US war in December 1941 actually guaranteed us from an attack by Japan from the east.

        I am categorically against the word "help." Russia has not yet paid off under Lend-Lease. In June 1990, 2030 was set as the final maturity date. Remaining to pay 674 million dollars (at that time). As of 2003: about $ 100 million remaining to be paid. In total, by that time (by 2003), about 722 million dollars had been paid. Since 92, it is Russia, not the Soviet Union, that has been paying. Our good friends, the so-called "near abroad", have been spared this honor.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 9 May 2013 19: 47
        +1
        Quote: yurta2013
        You cannot be so ungrateful. All the same, huge help was provided to us. Without it, we could hardly have survived even in 1942. And the entry into the US war in December 1941 actually guaranteed us from an attack by Japan from the east.

        Let's thank you! For the fact that the United States revived the military power of Germany (in the 30s it was a backward agrarian country), for helping Germany to conquer all of Europe. Sea of ​​gratitude, USA partners in the destruction of 30 million Soviet citizens, gratitude full pants.
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 10 May 2013 06: 45
          +1
          Was it Germany that was a backward agrarian country? By the end of the 19th century, it became one of the strongest industrial powers in the world. It was she who began the 1st World War and for 4 years dragged a bunch of her half-dead allies on herself, fighting with the armies of almost the whole world. In the early 30s, Germany didn’t formally have a military industry and a strong army (prohibited under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles). But after coming to power in 1933, Hitler revived both of them. Indeed, great powers did not really oppose Hitler. But then let's remember who helped Hitler come to power? It was Stalin, who, through the leadership of the International, forbade the German Communists from supporting the Social Democrats in the elections. As a result, the majority in the Reichstag received the party of Hitler, and he himself became Chancellor. As for US assistance to Hitler in the capture of France and Poland, this statement is complete stupidity.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 May 2013 11: 23
            0
            Quote: yurta2013
            But then let's remember who helped Hitler come to power? It was Stalin, who, through the leadership of the International, forbade the German Communists from supporting the Social Democrats in the elections.

            This statement is complete stupidity. Hitler - a protege of the West, with the money of the West, restored industry for Hitler - the West.
            Quote: yurta2013
            By the end of the 19th century, it became one of the strongest industrial powers in the world. It was she who began the 1st World War and for 4 years dragged a bunch of her half-dead allies on herself, fighting with the armies of almost the whole world.

            It's about the 20th century. After the defeat in World War I, Germany was practically deprived of industry.
            1. yurta2013
              yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 21
              +1
              I had to read my comment to the end. According to the Treaty of Versailles, Germany was deprived not of industry in general, but of military industry, and even then not completely. She was forbidden to have heavy artillery, aviation, tank troops and the navy. The army has been reduced to 100 thousand people. In fact, she became a contract. Soldiers and officers served in it constantly and were so well trained that after Hitler came to power they formed the backbone of the junior officers in the newly created mass army. I do not want to repeat the role of Stalin in Hitler’s coming to power. This is a fairly well-known fact.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 9 May 2013 17: 03
      0
      What did the king say there? "only two allies - the army and the navy"
      VIVA VICTORY!
  • cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 9 May 2013 16: 24
    +3
    Quote: erased
    Only now all these allies have now become enemies and are again ready to attack Russia. They forgot the lessons of that war.

    Unfortunately, colleague, you are right! And in connection with this, one of the visitors to VO (unfortunately, I don’t remember who) published in his comment, slightly modified lines from the famous song:
    A soldier sat, a tear rolled
    The trophy saxophone wheezed,
    And on his chest glowed
    Medal "Out of the city of Washington"!

    This is, just in case, for the "forgetful" guys!
  • vania
    vania 9 May 2013 17: 00
    0
    while our grandfathers were dying, the Americans at that time, earned in the war
    1. NO HOPE
      NO HOPE 9 May 2013 17: 29
      -5
      They did everything right. War is primarily a business.
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 24
      0
      Quote: vania
      while our grandfathers were dying, the Americans at that time, earned in the war

      This does not exclude the fact that the Americans also participated in the war and also died.
  • Alf
    Alf 9 May 2013 17: 54
    +1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Quote: Chavy
    Not against Hitler, but against Zionism. They tactfully attributed everything to Hitler, but do not forget who brought him and sponsored it. The Gestapo served a large number of Jewish Zionists. Hitler was surrounded by almost all Zionist Jews. Himmler, Rosenblum, Goebbels, Eichmann, etc.

    I demand that moderators take action. Here on the site is frank pro-Nazi propaganda.
    This is no longer stupidity, but a criminal offense!

    It alozych said, I decide who is a Jew.
  • sichevik
    sichevik 9 May 2013 17: 58
    +2
    Well, this is not a secret. To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear?
    For all of these Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgan and the rest of the world financial scum, World War II was needed to increase their already small capital.
    It has always been that way. So it is now. All these freemasons quietly stir up the world's water ...
  • yurta2013
    yurta2013 9 May 2013 19: 18
    +1
    A hand does not rise to put a minus article. In principle, it is quite informative and highlights some little-known facts about the assistance of the USSR during the Second World War from other countries. A serious drawback of the article is that the main type of this assistance is lend-lease, the author touched on only in passing. Some specific figures are given for this aid, but its overall significance is clearly diminished. The limitation of the volume of Lend-Lease to 4% of the total Soviet production, made by the chairman of the State Planning Commission Voznesensky in the late 40s, is recognized by a number of historians today as greatly understated. This is best described in the book "Lend-Lease Tanks in Battle" by M. Baryatinsky and articles by N.S. Samsonov and E. Stettinius. The figures themselves named in the article are in no way correlated with Soviet production. Meanwhile, this ratio in itself is quite curious: For aircraft (according to Baryatinsky) - 16%. Including fighters - 23%, and bombers - 20%. Anti-aircraft guns - 20%. Cars (according to Baryatinsky) - 56,5% (and according to the State Planning Committee - at least 55% of total consumption). At the same time, the role of Lend-Lease for the vehicles of the Red Army is much higher than this figure, since the supply of car tires amounted to 92% of their production in the USSR. The supply also influenced the production of tanks and aircraft in the country. After all, the aluminum from which the aircraft hulls were made was supplied from 106 to 125% of the owls. pr-va. Aluminum was also used in the manufacture of engines for the T-34. It turns out that without Lend-Lease, the USSR could have produced more than half the number of medium tanks and aircraft. Supplies of tin - 223%, copper (indispensable in the production of cartridges and shells) - 82%, canned meat - 108% (and in relation to all meat production - 17,9%). It is difficult to overestimate the role of the 9 thousand tons of seeds delivered in the spring of 1942. In addition, the supply of explosives for the production of ammunition - 53%. The supply of radio stations and telephones with cables played a huge role. Only the radio stations delivered before July 1943 were enough to fully equip 150 divisions with them, and field television devices - for 329 divisions. The air carrier of the telephone cable exceeded its production in the USSR three times. Even these examples given here are enough to say with confidence that the USSR could not do without lend-lease supplies during the Second World War. Without them, he could hardly have survived in 1942-1943. And this in no way belittles the feat of our soldiers. It is not truth that humiliates us, but a stupid lie that has been visible to everyone for a long time.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 9 May 2013 19: 47
      0
      Quote: yurta2013
      It is not truth that humiliates us, but a stupid lie that has long been visible to everyone.

      Do you think Obama or Bush will ever admit to the people of America that September 11 is the work of the CIA? No, of course. And after 100 years this will not happen.
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 10 May 2013 06: 56
        0
        But is it necessary to take an example from the USA in everything? They have long considered themselves gentlemen of the world and did not give a damn about all the laws of universal morality and international law. We need to show an example of the exact opposite kind. Then other nations will respect us. Now many people around the world do not trust us because of our lies on many problems of their own and world history.
        1. family tree
          family tree 10 May 2013 07: 11
          +1
          Quote: yurta2013
          But is it necessary to take an example from the USA in everything? They have long considered themselves gentlemen of the world and did not give a damn about all the laws of universal morality and international law. We need to show an example of the exact opposite kind. Then other nations will respect us. Now many people around the world do not trust us because of our lies on many problems of their own and world history.

          Already shown in 1991. As a result of the show, USA
          consider themselves masters of the world and spit on all laws of universal morality and international law
          1. yurta2013
            yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 30
            0
            Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. The United States is impudent, not because we stopped lying in 1991, but because we remained the strongest military power on the planet after the collapse of the USSR. So they are trying to seize the moment to eliminate all their existing and potential opponents on the world stage, so far from those that are simpler.
    2. valiant
      valiant 9 May 2013 20: 18
      +1
      If we take everything into account, we get that we had small arms of all types except pistols and revolvers on June 22, 1941 and received 29,16 million pieces during the war years. Of these, 151,7 thousand came from American, British and Canadian factories, i.e. 0,52%. For artillery and mortars of all calibres, these numbers are, respectively, 647,6 thousand and 9,4 thousand (1,45%) For tanks and self-propelled guns 132,8 thousand and 11,9 thousand (8,96%) And, finally, on combat aircraft 140,5 thousand and 18,3 thousand (13,02%).
      Yes, and more could not work! Since out of the $ 42951 million that all Lend-Lease assistance cost the Americans, the good Washington uncle allocated just 9119 million, i.e. a little more than one fifth, for defeating three-quarters of the armed forces of Germany and its European allies of the Red Army. While the British Empire alone received 30269 million.
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 10 May 2013 07: 15
        +1
        The types of arms, equipment and supplies supplied to us were determined by the leadership of the USSR itself, based on its needs. Much, therefore, was not supplied at all. In particular, this concerns artillery guns. Only anti-aircraft guns were delivered from them (about 8.000), which amounted to 20% of our production (every fifth). The deliveries of cars and motorcycles to us were important (2,6 times more than produced in the USSR during the war), which made it possible to form powerful mobile formations, which played a decisive role in all major offensive operations of the Soviet troops, beginning in late 1942. . A very important role was played by the supply of communications. It was their lack and poor qualities that were one of the main reasons for all the previous defeats of our army. And the sharp increase in the production of military equipment and ammunition would not have been possible in 1942 without the supply of Lend-Lease raw materials (steel, copper - 82% of production, aluminum - 125% of production, etc.)
    3. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 10 May 2013 01: 44
      +1
      Quote: yurta2013
      Some specific figures are given for this aid, but its overall significance is clearly diminished. The limitation of the volume of Lend-Lease to 4% of the total Soviet production, made by the chairman of the State Planning Commission Voznesensky in the late 40s, is recognized by a number of historians today as greatly understated. This is best described in the book "Lend-Lease Tanks in Battle" by M. Baryatinsky and articles by N.S. Samsonov and E. Stettinius. The figures themselves named in the article are in no way correlated with Soviet production. Meanwhile, this ratio in itself is quite curious:

      Yes Yes Yes!!!!
      It is curious that it reduces the jaw, considering that the bulk of Lend-Lease was obtained in 43-45, when the outcome of the war was already a foregone conclusion.
      The hardest time, the Union survived and broke the ridge of Germany completely independently.

      Learn to think with your head, young man. smile
      For example, the bulk of the same cars were delivered to the USSR in 44-45 years, aircraft - in 43-44.
      If we honestly correlate our own production and Lend-Lease deliveries, the share of Lend-Lease products in the total volume of production and deliveries to the USSR does not exceed 28% for the main types of deliveries.

      In general, the share of Lend-Lease products in the total volume of materials, equipment, food, machinery, raw materials, etc., produced and delivered to the USSR. It is usually estimated at 4%, which is not far from the truth.
      I am not inclined to belittle the value of these supplies, they allowed us to bring victory closer, but to attach decisive importance to them is to sin against the truth.
      Hmm, by the way, about aluminum, purely for your horizons, the most massive Soviet-made aircraft were made from banal wood, sheathed with fabric.
      1. yurta2013
        yurta2013 10 May 2013 07: 23
        0
        By the way, the bulk of military production in the USSR also falls on 1943-45. At the end of 1941 and the first half of 1942, a very sharp decline was observed, associated with the evacuation of most of our factories to the east and the loss of the most important food regions of the USSR. In the future, production began to grow (largely due to the same Lend-Lease), but in 1942 and the 1st floor. 1943 was still not high enough. During this period, Lend-Lease deliveries played a very important role and actually saved our country from defeat.
  • valiant
    valiant 9 May 2013 19: 59
    +2
    Quote: yurta2013
    It is unclear what the US and Britain are organizers of. London bombing? Drownings of American merchant ships by German liners in 1940-41?

    Maybe so. American corporations generously invested in German industry, and by the start of the war between the two countries, the volume of these investments reached $ 475 million, not counting the billionth loan received by the Reich immediately after the establishment of the Nazi regime. The United States played a special role in the revival of German military aviation, supplying the Reich with thousands of aircraft engines and, most importantly, licenses for their production. Pratt & Whitney was particularly distinguished. BMW Hornet engines, which were equipped with Germany’s most popular Junkers-52 transport aircraft, were actually licensed. The Rockefeller Oil Corporation, Standard Oil, sold only 20 million bucks of gasoline and lubricants to Hitler through the I.G. Farbenindustri line alone. In mid-1943, the Venezuelan branch of Standard Oil alone sent 13 tons of oil to Germany every month, which the powerful chemical industry of the Reich immediately converted to gasoline. By the end of the year, sales grew significantly - five more were added to the four types of neutral companies through which Rockefeller's Venezuelan clerks supplied “black gold” for the Führer. Before the landing of American troops in France, the tanker fleet of “neutral” Spain worked almost exclusively for the needs of the Wehrmacht, supplying it with American “black gold” formally intended for Madrid. The Germans came from across the ocean with tungsten, synthetic rubber and, of course, a bunch of necessary things for the automotive industry, which the Fuhrer supplied his great friend Mr. Henry Ford Sr.. Have you heard about 65 thousand trucks received from Ford branches in Germany, Belgium and France? The American corporations Reich also helped with military developments. At the height of the war, experts at the Morgan-controlled International Telephone Telegraph company worked hand in hand with German counterparts in Switzerland, having an excellent roof from the German intelligence services. In addition to direct supplies of telephones, fuses and radar equipment, the United States shared their developments in the construction of guided bombs. The total volume of American supplies to Germany at a time when these countries were at war is still a commercial secret.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 10 May 2013 07: 33
      +1
      If this volume of deliveries is a trade secret, then how did you find out everything is known? The fact that the volume of trade between the USA and Germany before the war was large does not mean anything. It was large between Germany and the USSR, and before the start of the Second World War (2 years after the start of World War II). Yes, some American corporations did indeed trade with the Nazis during the war, but this remained a mystery to the rest of the US population and was not influenced in any way by the policies of its leadership. All the forces of this state were thrown to ensure the allies in their fight against fascism, and since 2 to direct participation in the war. Therefore, blaming them for aiding fascist Germany is simply stupid.
  • valiant
    valiant 9 May 2013 22: 37
    +1
    Quote: aviator46
    For LendLiz, Stalin did not pay a dime. And gold went to the purchase of goods, in addition to LendLisa. The allies supplied us with cars almost 2 times

    Under Lend-Lease, we received 427386 thousand cars, not counting motorcycles. Many, considering the delivered cars, compare them only with 205 thousand produced in the USSR during the war, but “forgetting” about 273 thousand available in the army at the beginning of hostilities, more than 221 thousand mobilized from civilian economy and over 60 thousand trophy ones. Given the fact that 115 thousand imported and 55 thousand domestic cars went to the citizen, instead of mobilized, we get that the Lend-Lease motor transport was about 31% Army fleet. The same story goes with rail. It is pleasant and useful to get a steam locomotive and a diesel locomotive, and 1981 wagons from overseas partners in 11. Only now it is necessary to compare deliveries not with 075 locomotives and 92 wagons produced by Soviet industry in 1087-1942, but with 1945 thousand steam locomotives and 26 thousand wagons available in the USSR at the beginning of the war. The same is true for machine tools, and for so many other types of supplies. In addition, under the so-called “reverse Lend-Lease”, Washington received the necessary raw materials with a total value of almost 715% of the transferred materials and weapons. In particular, 20 thousand tons of manganese and 32 thousand tons of chromium ore were shipped from the USSR to the States, the importance of which in the military industry is extremely great. It’s enough to recall that when the Germans, having retreated from Ukraine, lost their Nikopol manganese, the 300-mm frontal armor of their “royal tigers” began to hold shells worse than the similar 150-mm armor plate of previously issued ordinary “tigers”. A lot of soyuznitsa also lived on platinum, valuable wood, furs, as well as their beloved red fish and black caviar.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 10 May 2013 07: 45
      +1
      To understand this problem correctly, I advise you to read the book by M. Baryatinsky "Lend-Lease Tanks in Battle". It's not just about tanks. As for cars, in the USSR there really remained quite a lot of cars produced during the entire 30s and late 20s. But more than half of them were already unsuitable for military use. Most of the rest were also badly worn out. Therefore, the most important units of the troops in the offensive were supplied exclusively with new vehicles and supplied under Lend-Lease. In addition, by the end of 1941, 58,3% of the original composition of our vehicles had been irretrievably lost. By the way, about rare metals. We received 67,1% of molybdenum from our production, cobalt - 56,9%, etc.
  • SlavaP
    SlavaP 9 May 2013 22: 59
    0
    And I still found Studebakers - a good car!
  • misham
    misham 10 May 2013 10: 06
    +1
    It is not clear how the trade with Sweden went. Or it is a transaction in the territory of neutral or allied countries. Or deliveries from October 44 through Finland. And as for example the trade between Sweden and the United States and England. Which way he went. The Swedes did not live the whole war. Did the Kriegsmarine miss Swedish ships? Enlighten pliz somebody
  • valiant
    valiant 10 May 2013 10: 56
    0
    Quote: yurta2013
    The types of arms, equipment and supplies supplied to us were determined by the leadership of the USSR itself, based on its needs.

    The fact of the matter is that deliveries in the first months of the war were carried out in much smaller quantities than was promised. For example, the Americans promised to send 1941 tanks and 600 aircraft in 750, and the first sent only 182, and the second - 204. The same story continued in 1942. If Soviet industry then produced 5,91 million units of small arms, 287 thousand guns and mortars, 24,5 thousand tanks and self-propelled guns and 21,7 thousand aircraft, then these types of weapons were obtained by Lend-Lease in January-October. respectively, 61 thousand, 532, 2703 and 1695 pieces. After that (in the midst of the battles for Stalingrad and the Caucasus!), Supplies were significantly reduced. After the defeat of the convoy PQ-17, the Allies slowed down until September 2, then with a squeak they sent the next caravan PQ-18, and then covered the shop right up to December 15. For 3,5 months, when the decisive battle of the Second World War thundered, only 5 ships with Lend-Lease cargo arrived in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk. There is a legitimate impression that all this time in London and Washington they just sat and waited: how will the Russians end up near Stalingrad? The quality of the weapons being sent at first often also left much to be desired. So, out of 711 British and American fighters that arrived from England to the USSR during the first six months of the war, 700 were obsolete Kittyhawk and Hurricane type aircraft. They were much inferior to the Messerschmitts and Yaks in speed (520 km / h versus 570-590) and maneuverability, and the first Hurricanes were also very weakly armed. Friend of Churchill, who received more modern Aerocobra fighter jets from the Americans, delivered only 1941 in 11 to us.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 41
      +1
      I don’t know about you, but I am grateful to the allies for bringing them to us. In fact, they did not have to do this. The British themselves were shaking with fear on their island, fearing the German advance through the English Channel, and being subjected to constant bombing of fascist aircraft. As for the first delivered aircraft, they were better than most of the types that were available at that time with us. The production of the latest fighter aircraft was just unfolding. They themselves still lacked them. As for small arms, we had plenty of them and almost never ordered them under Lend-Lease.
  • valiant
    valiant 10 May 2013 11: 37
    0
    Quote: yurta2013
    If this volume of deliveries is a trade secret, then how did you find out everything is known? The fact that the volume of trade between the USA and Germany before the war was large does not mean anything. It was large between Germany and the USSR, and until the very beginning of the Second World War

    The trade secret is the total volume, but the pieces of information that have leaked out are quite enough to understand: trade with Berlin was extremely intense. And the peak of the Moscow-Berlin military cooperation occurred in 1922–1933, when Germany was the most democratic republic, which Hitler destroyed. After that, the USSR turned off cooperation, resuming it only after, failing to agree on an alliance with England and France, concluded a non-aggression pact with the Reich. We did not violate our own or international laws, and Paris and London, having sabotaged the signing of a military treaty with Moscow, lost the right to demand anything from the USSR.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 51
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      It's not about military cooperation, but about trade in resources. It did not stop between the USSR and Germany even after Hitler came to power. Paris and London did not violate either their own or international laws then. And then they did not demand anything from the USSR, and they did not have a legal right to demand.
  • valiant
    valiant 10 May 2013 12: 13
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    It is not clear how the trade with Sweden went.

    Funny, the Swedes successfully traded both ours and yours. In 1939–1940, out of 60 thousand tons of ore obtained by the Germans, 432 thousand tons were purchased from Stockholm, which sent 19% of its production to Hitler, and Norway supplied 298 thousand tons more. Since the average metal content in German ore was 60 percent, and in Swedish - 1071 percent, Germany owed almost half of its first victories to Scandinavian iron. Subsequently, this share decreased slightly, but only because French ore was cheaper. But the transit of Hitler troops and the flights of German aviation through Sweden lasted until July 26, 43 and stopped only after the failure of the German offensive near Kursk. In addition to profitable trade with Berlin, Stockholm did a lot to increase the combat effectiveness of the army of its closest neighbor. In 29–1943 the Finns received a fair amount of weapons and military equipment from the Swedes, up to 1940 mm self-propelled anti-aircraft mounts. Finland also received pig iron, food and a loan of 1943 million kroons from Sweden. The Scandinavians excelled in military and defense traffic for the needs of the Reich. The British pre-chartered part of their civilian fleet, a lot of ships escaped or remained in English and Swedish ports, but a third of the vessels with a tonnage of about 40 thousand tons carried products for Hitler, which often turned out to be sideways. a third of the vessels with a tonnage of about 300 thousand tons carried products for Hitler, which often came to their side. In the Soviet fleet, the account of the sunken Norwegian ships was opened on September 900, 900 by Shch-11, which launched the Ottar Yarl transport to the bottom. Then, on December 1941, Oslo was blown up on mines delivered by K-422 and K-26, and on February 23, 1, a drown with the entire Birk crew was drowned on the same fence. A little earlier, on January 15, the K-1942 shot Mimon, which was stranded aground, and finally, on April 19, 22, mines fired by the Shch-23 were sent to the depths of the Shtenzaas. If we take into account 1942 sunken Swedish transports, then out of 401 vessels destroyed by submariners, 4 or almost a quarter were not part of either the German fleet or the fleet of its official ally, Finland. So the vast majority of Monsieur, lords and other Herrs worked for a united Europe and beloved Fuhrer voluntarily and with songs. It came to jokes: when the Allied aviation launched several bombing strikes against the Norwegian factories working for Germany, the leadership of the local underground protested ...
  • DDT_1976
    DDT_1976 10 May 2013 12: 41
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    Thank you for the article! I did not know much of the above. It was especially interesting to read about help from Mongolia. I used to think that only the USSR helped them, and here it’s like ...

    It is also necessary to recall the contribution of the Union republics to the common victory, otherwise in recent years liberal propaganda has been diminishing the role of Russia in victory, and it is generally silent about the role of fraternal peoples. If he writes, then only in the light of Bandera and others like them.

    "Divide and conquer," however.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 10 May 2013 16: 56
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      No need to repeat the nonsense of the Stalinists. No "liberal" propaganda of Russia's role in victory diminishes. We reached Berlin, and everyone knows this fact. It is impossible to underestimate it.
  • valiant
    valiant 10 May 2013 12: 42
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    At least for the sake of the French partisans and the Normandie-Niemen squadron, you left France alone.

    This is a tiny drop compared to the French who fought on the German side. The proportion of the French in hostilities in the ranks of the Nazi European Union at first glance does not seem to be very significant. Through the 1941th Infantry Regiment of the 638th Infantry Division, operating since October 7 near Moscow, the 1st French Grenadier Regiment of the SS, uniting their SS brigade Charlemagne, subsequently deployed to the 33rd Infantry Division of the same name, and several separate units passed only about 15 thousand people. However, Monsieur is not to blame. In Berlin, at first they refused the services of former soldiers of the French army and wrapped up about 638 thousand volunteers in the early days of the formation of the 10th regiment. According to Müller-Hillebrand, such distrust “greatly affected their pride”. In addition to national units, much more significant replenishment came from territories annexed to Germany by Alsace and Lorraine. According to incomplete data, from there about 180 thousand people were called up to the Wehrmacht. In total, taking into account the personnel of the aviation, navy and military gendarmerie, up to 500 thousand people passed through the Peten army (without Indochina). They were armed with more than 3 thousand guns and mortars (including coastal and anti-aircraft), up to 500 tanks and armored vehicles and almost 1000 aircraft. Having occupied all of France after Darlan’s army left the war, the Germans disbanded the Armistice Army on November 27, 1942. However, the 30-strong “French police” who replaced it fought with the partisans and the underground with much greater zeal. The 6-strong mobile guard, which was previously part of the Armistice Army, has survived and continued to operate. Some demobilized Vichy joined the Charlemagne division, and 3 thousand entered the infantry regiment formed in 1943, intended to directly protect the government. Remained intact and even expanded branched police apparatus, which included about 180 thousand police and Gestapo. Prior to the landing of the Anglo-American troops, and in a number of places and after it, these formations conducted active anti-partisan actions.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 10 May 2013 17: 04
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      As I understand it, the Peten army was formed by mobilization, and not at the expense of volunteers. Therefore, its number was determined by the mobilization capabilities of southern France, and not by the desire of the French to fight for Hitler. The police apparatus is an integral part of the state system. Who would you like to fight, for example, with criminal activity? The true volunteer collaborators were in France, at best, 2-3 tens of thousands of people. In any case, this is less than that of the French partisans and the French, who fought in the armies of the powers at war with Hitler.
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  • Budilnik
    Budilnik 10 May 2013 20: 30
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    "... allowed to pull off about 560 thousand German soldiers from the Eastern Front." Some Belarusian partisans put out of action more than 500 thousand fascists, of which more than 125 thousand were irretrievable. During the war, the United States replenished the treasury with thousands of tons of Russian gold. Dexterously clinging to our victory and filling the purse with gold.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 11 May 2013 06: 03
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      Quote: Budilnik
      The United States for the war replenished the treasury with thousands of tons of Russian gold. They cleverly clung to our victory and filled the moshna with gold.

      Without American and English Lend-Lease assistance, we would not be able to win this war (see my comments above), especially alone.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 11 May 2013 13: 37
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        Quote: yurta2013
        Without American and English Lend-Lease assistance, we would not be able to win this war (see my comments above), especially alone.

        Again twenty-five, 4% - Lend Lease, the war would last two months longer, that’s all the help, they would have won even without a second front. Help was needed in 41-42 years.
        1. yurta2013
          yurta2013 11 May 2013 16: 59
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          Quote: Setrac
          4% - Lend Lease, the war would last two months longer, that's all help, they would have won even without a second front. Help was needed in 41-42 years.

          It was in 1941-42. we began to receive it, at the most critical moment for ourselves. And this help saved us from defeat then. In this regard, I wrote enough in the previous comments (above). About 4% also wrote in the comments on the article under discussion. After the summer of 1943, they probably would have won without the 2nd front (the allied landings in Europe), they would have only fought for longer than 2 months, but for at least 2 years, since we would have to really fight with all the forces of Europe and go not to Berlin, but at least to the Rhine and Rome, and maybe to Marseilles.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 11 May 2013 17: 29
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            Quote: yurta2013
            It was in 1941-42. we began to receive it, at the most critical moment for ourselves.

            In 1941-42 - a minuscule was received, a small percentage of the percentage, the bulk of the Lend-Lease (4% for which you tear the baby) is the year 1943-45, when the outcome of the war was already visible.
            Quote: yurta2013
            only they would have fought longer than 2 months,

            For such a period (another two years) would occupy all of Eurasia. And THREE American atomic bombs would not help them.
            1. yurta2013
              yurta2013 11 May 2013 18: 50
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              Quote: Setrac
              In 1941-42 - a minuscule was received, a small percentage of the percentage, the bulk of the Lend-Lease (4% for which you tear the baby) is the year 1943-45, when the outcome of the war was already visible.

              This minuscule looked very worthy against the background of the military production of the USSR itself, which also represented then a minuscule. And without the Lend-Lease "minuscule" we would not have been able in 1942 to create, in particular, mobile tank groupings (provided mainly by American and British vehicles), which ensured our victory in the Battle of Stalingrad. The same "minuscule" provided our advancing troops with good communications (walkie-talkies, telephones, cables), without which command and control of troops is generally impossible. By the way, it was the Lend-Lease "minuscule" that helped restore our military industry with sheets of rolled steel, various metals (especially aluminum - for aircraft and tank engines) and explosives (for ammunition).
              Quote: Setrac
              For such a period (another two years) would occupy all of Eurasia. And THREE American atomic bombs would not help them.

              How we love to boast in vain. Good old Russian tradition.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 May 2013 20: 34
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                Quote: yurta2013
                How we love to boast in vain. Good old Russian tradition.

                To your extreme left idiocy I respond with my extreme right idiocy. As a result, the system is in balance. In addition, the boast is not in vain, 10 million experienced veterans versus 1 million newcomers in Europe, and 1 million sailors in the Pacific. In reality, the West had nothing to oppose the Red Army and several atomic bombs did not change the picture.
                1. yurta2013
                  yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 39
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                  I’m not talking about the West, but about the entire army of fascist Germany with all its allies (including Peten France and Franco Spain), including those forces that were diverted to fight the 2nd front of our allies.
  • pinecone
    pinecone 10 May 2013 21: 37
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    Quote: misham
    It is not clear how the trade with Sweden went. Or it is a transaction in the territory of neutral or allied countries. Or deliveries from October 44 through Finland. And as for example the trade between Sweden and the United States and England. Which way he went. The Swedes did not live the whole war. Did the Kriegsmarine miss Swedish ships? Enlighten pliz somebody


    Most likely, indeed after Finland left the war and the termination of trade with Germany under the pressure of the Allies in late 1944.
    As for the one mentioned in the article by Dean Acheson, he became Deputy Secretary of State in the US government only in 1945. after the death of Roosevelt, already under the new President Truman. He entered the diplomatic service in February 1941. as one of the assistants to the then head of the US Foreign Office, Cordell Hull. He was involved in the provision of military assistance to Britain and the development of the provisions of the oil embargo against Japan, which ultimately provoked the attack on Pearl Harbor. Later he took an active part in the creation of the "new world economic order" and led the American delegation to the Bretton Woods conference in July 1944. He was not in the USSR and did not meet with Stalin.
    In May-June 1944 Magadan and the Kolyma gold mines were visited by US Vice President Henry Wallace, who arrived there from Alaska and flew through Mongolia to China at the end of the visit.
  • valiant
    valiant 11 May 2013 13: 37
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    Quote: yurta2013
    Therefore, its number was determined by the mobilization capabilities of southern France, and not by the desire of the French to fight for Hitler.

    However, the frogs were more willing to fight for Hitler than against him. Even after the ceasefire, from the 50-strong French army, only slightly more than 5 went over to de Gaulle's side after surrendering, while most of the rest returned to France and North Africa, and the soldiers of the local defense battalions went home. Subsequently, the French prisoners captured on the Eastern Front behaved in the same way. Only 1,5 of the 23136 prisoners agreed to join the Free French troops. You've probably heard about the "super patriotic" French sailors in Toulon. If sailors were so cool anti-fascists, they had a real opportunity to break through to the allies. Now let's compare the losses. In total, on the territory of France, North Africa and the Levant (excluding Indochina), the Vichy (including the forces of the pro-Hitler law and order and non-combat losses) lost 30 thousand people. Together with 50 Alsatians, Lorraine, 638th Infantry Regiment and SS soldiers, this is almost double the number of French killed in 1941-1945. on the other side of the front (25 thousand) and in the partisan movement (20 thousand). Even taking into account the 92 French killed in 1939-1940, 40 who died in captivity until the end of the war, and 3 killed in battles with the Japanese and Thai in Indochina, as well as those who died there from diseases, the ratio is impressive. For the victory of the Third Reich, 80 of the 260 thousand inhabitants of France and its colonies who fought and died in World War II gave their lives - that is almost every third!
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 11 May 2013 19: 08
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      Firstly, the figures you quoted do not cause me any confidence. Especially 50 thousand. Firstly, the Alsatians and Lorraines who served in Hitler’s troops were not French in their ethnicity, but Germans. Alsace and Lorraine are disputed territories between Germany and France. they changed hands three times. Their main population is German-speaking. As for the 638 regiment, which later turned into a brigade, and then the SS Charlemagne division, for all the time the total French losses in it (killed, wounded and sick) were unlikely to exceed 20 thousand people (hence, killed - no more than 6-7 thousand) . Add them to your figure of 30 thousand and get significantly less than 40 thousand people. So they need to be compared with the dead French on the other side of the front.
  • misterwulf
    misterwulf 11 May 2013 15: 25
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    Let's call it: United Europe vs Great Britain. Then, against the USSR. Meanwhile, Japan joined the OE (although earlier). Then - Japan against the USA and Great Britain. Meanwhile, the OE against the USSR is fully fighting. Then, slowly, the United Kingdom (GB) and the United States against OE. And only then, the USSR, the USA, and the GB against the OE, which had contracted to Germany.
    And then - the USA and the USSR against Japan, which did not fit into the topic at all.

    The whole question? And where are the allies from Honduras, Haiti, Lebanon, the Philippines, Luxembourg and other Barbados?
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 11 May 2013 19: 51
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    keyword in the article PARTICIPATED! they participated, but we won anyway! just then everyone involved forgot about it somehow))
  • valiant
    valiant 11 May 2013 22: 54
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    Firstly, the figures you quoted do not cause me any confidence. Especially 50 thousand. First, the Alsatians and Lorraines who served in Hitler’s troops were not French in their ethnicity, but Germans

    Well, I took these figures not from the ceiling, but from a book based on documents and facts. In your opinion, the French did not live in Alsace and Lorraine (being French territory at that time)? After the First World War, most ethnic Germans left these lands because France refused to guarantee protection for minorities in their country, and the General Department was tasked with integrating the region into French language. If about 180 thousand people from these lands were called up to the Wehrmacht, then 50 thousand are quite comparable losses. Like most other SS men, Himmler’s French army fought very stubbornly, and the combined battalion of the most fanatical Charlemagne fighters almost completely died defending the Reichstag. Even when captured, division soldiers often showed absolute contempt for death and a kind of black humor, as was the case on May 8, 1945 with a group of SS men captured by the Americans and transferred to the hands of compatriots from the De Gaulle army. As a result, they were all shot, but not a single one asked for mercy. Even among Alsatians, Lorraines, where volunteers and ordinary recruits did not prevail, the bulk remained faithful to the Reich to the end. And how many Frenchmen served in the National Socialist Automobile Corps, did they spin the steering wheel in Speer Transport Corps, or were they in guard companies in charge of the construction of roads and fortifications of the Todt Organization? And how many French sailors were engaged in transportation in the interests of the Reich? Many thousands!
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 12 May 2013 18: 50
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      Quote: valiant
      didn’t the French live in Alsace and Lorraine (being French territory at that time)? After the First World War, most ethnic Germans left these lands because France refused to guarantee protection for minorities in their country, and the General Department was tasked with integrating the region into French language. If about 180 thousand people from these lands were called up to the Wehrmacht, then 50 thousand are quite comparable losses.

      About the majority of ethnic Germans who left Alsace and Lorraine - is this also from books or is it still a figment of your imagination? Moreover, these areas were not French territory at that time, since they were again included in the Reich. As for a handful of French fascists, it is impossible to identify with them all of France. As for cooperation with the Germans of civilians, they were not the majority.
  • valiant
    valiant 12 May 2013 00: 04
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    Quote: yurta2013
    It's not about military cooperation, but about trade in resources.

    Yes, there was trade, but we benefited more from it. For oil, grain, flax, phosphates, we received unique industrial equipment, machine tools and presses, marine electrical equipment, radio communications samples for the Ground Forces, diesel engines, cannons and the latest aircraft, various military equipment, including a heavy cruiser. According to some modern German historians, the supply to the Soviet Union of a large number of the latest machine tools weakened the war economy of the Third Reich, since more than half of the metal cutting machines used in the German industry were outdated by that time, having a service life of more than ten years. But for the Soviet economy, the supply of raw materials was not too burdensome. In 1940, Germany received 657 thousand tons of oil products from our country, while oil production in the USSR in that year amounted to 31,1 million tons. Grains in Germany in 1940 delivered a little less than 1 million tons, and 95,6 million tons were harvested. But even after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Soviet Union did not at all become the main trading partner of the Third Reich. In 1940, supplies from the USSR accounted for only 7,6% of the total amount of German imports, and supplies to the USSR - 4,5% of German exports, the next year - 6,3% and 6,6% {616}, respectively. In the import of Germany, the USSR took 5th place (after Italy, Denmark, Romania and the Netherlands).
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 12 May 2013 19: 01
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      Quote: valiant
      Yes, there was trade, but we benefited more from it.

      Of course, if we consider it to be a benefit to us, helping Hitler to increase the production of arms and military equipment, increase the size of his army, wage World War II and accumulate strategic resources for attacking the USSR. Having finished with our help with his opponents in the west of the continent, he came to us and captured a rather decent part of what he managed to deliver to us before the attack, as well as something else of our own good.
  • valiant
    valiant 13 May 2013 00: 30
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    Quote: yurta2013
    if we consider it a benefit for us to help Hitler increase the production of armaments and military equipment, increase the size of his army, wage World War II and accumulate strategic resources for an attack on the USSR

    How did we help increase production and increase numbers? They coped well with this even without us, and besides, we did not sit idly by.
    Quote: yurta2013
    Ending our help with our adversaries in the west of the continent

    The Poles killed themselves, refusing our help. But the British and the French betrayed them, although they could have quietly defeated the Germans back in 1939 and the war would have ended on this. But the West waited and hoped that Hitler would attack the USSR, refusing to conclude the proposed Anglo-Franco-Soviet agreement on mutual assistance. Not getting the sense of England and France, Stalin expediently concluded a non-aggression pact with Germany. As a result, instead of blocking against the USSR (which Hitler had hoped for), Germany and England and France started a war among themselves. This meant that the Soviet Union would not have to fight with both at the same time. Moreover, the USSR got the opportunity to enter the war later than other participants, and even with some freedom of choice - which side to speak on. Stalin counted on this. In the summer of 1939, our troops fought hard battles with the Japanese on the Khalkhin Gol River. Since Japan was an ally of Germany under the Anti-Comintern Pact, the conclusion of the Soviet-German treaty was perceived in Tokyo as a betrayal. As you know, after the German attack on the USSR, Japan never opposed our country. The USSR already then won the 2nd World War on the "diplomatic front."
    Quote: yurta2013
    captured a pretty decent part of what he managed to deliver to us before the attack

    Nothing like this. We managed to bring the machines and equipment beyond the Urals, but the technologies and skills that we acquired (remember, at least where the famous "forty-five" came from), in general, cannot be captured in the literal sense of the word.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 13 May 2013 17: 43
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      Quote: valiant
      How did we help increase production and increase numbers?

      The supply of oil, ore and other strategic raw materials (there are numbers on the Internet), necessary for the production of weapons (Germany's own resources were limited), as well as food, the supplies of which were necessary for Germany to feed the deployed multi-million army.
      Quote: valiant
      Stalin expediently concluded a non-aggression pact with Germany. As a result, instead of blocking against the USSR (which Hitler had hoped for), Germany and England and France started a war among themselves. This meant that the Soviet Union would not have to fight with both at the same time. Moreover, the USSR got the opportunity to enter the war later than other participants, and even with some freedom of choice - which side to speak on. Stalin counted on this.

      Hitler concluded this treaty in order to defeat Poland without interference, which he managed to do. England and France declared war on him for this. So began the 2nd World War. If the USSR also declared war on Hitler at that moment, then Germany would have been defeated in a matter of months on its own territory. As a result, we would not lose 26 million people and huge resources. As for the choice, how do you imagine the Red Army, fighting side by side with the Nazis, in the concentration camps of which German (and not only German) Communists are sitting.
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 13 May 2013 17: 50
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      Quote: valiant
      We managed to bring the machines and equipment beyond the Urals, but the technologies and skills that we acquired (remember, at least where the famous "forty-five" came from), in general, cannot be captured in the literal sense of the word.

      Not everything was taken out. From Belarus and the Baltic countries, for example, they did not manage to take out practically anything. And in southern Ukraine (Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, etc.) they also did not manage to take out everything.
      As for the 45 mm guns, their production began long before 1939.
  • valiant
    valiant 13 May 2013 00: 45
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    Quote: yurta2013
    As for a handful of French fascists, it is impossible to identify with them all of France. As for cooperation with the Germans of civilians, they were not the majority.

    180 thousand. This is not a handful, this is a whole army! Here you are again finding fault with the words (majority or minority - there is no difference) and fundamentally refuse to believe the numbers and facts (which I have already cited a lot), while insisting on your arguments, without confirming them in any way.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 13 May 2013 17: 52
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      Quote: valiant
      (majority or minority - no difference)

      How is that no difference? You claim that all of France fought against us. But in fact, it turns out that even just a negligible fraction of the French worked for Germany.
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 14 May 2013 01: 08
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        Do not pay attention to this troll, or rather, pay attention - he is here as a "thorn of discord" in our tire, well, the Swedes do not want to see Kamaz or MAZ all over the world, or the Germans - successful sales of Volga in Germany successfully competing with their Merciers or BAMVs, so they are trying wherever possible to force Russians to hate other peoples - by irritating us like dogs (the Nazi method, polished by them in concentration camps over Soviet peoples and Polish Jews), and then, using statements from this site, show what kind of subhumans we are, hating the whole world.

        DO NOT FORGET THAT THE INTERNET HAS BEEN CREATED AS A MILITARY MEANS, AND COMPUTERS AS HELP FOR THE ARTILLIERS - SO THOSE WHO BETTER THEM BATTLE THAT - THE VOROSHILOVSKY ARROW.
  • valiant
    valiant 13 May 2013 19: 23
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    Quote: yurta2013
    Hitler concluded this treaty in order to defeat Poland without interference, which he managed to do. England and France declared war on him for this. So began the 2nd World War. If the USSR also declared war on Hitler at that moment, then Germany would have been defeated in a matter of months on its own territory.

    Can't you logically think? Hitler would have defeated Poland without this treaty; he knew very well that Western democracies would remain aloof from the German-Polish conflict, as happened with Czechoslovakia. Only then the Germans would have stood much east. It was precisely this distance that the Germans didn’t have enough to reach Moscow as soon as possible. So the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the only right decision. If we didn’t do this, the whole territory of Poland would go to the Germans, who would not fail to use their human and production potentials. As a result, Hitler defeated Poland without us, and Soviet troops entered Polish territory (or rather, the territory of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus captured by Poland in 1919-1920) only after the Polish government fled the country, thereby actually recognizing its defeat in the war with Germany. Indeed, by September 17, the Germans not only defeated the main groups of the Polish army, but also surrounded almost all of its combat-ready units. And second, why did we have to declare war on Germany if we didn’t conflict with it, and how, excuse me, to fight, if we didn’t border the Germans, and the Poles did not want to let us into our territory? If we didn’t give a damn about the Poles and rushed, we could still have enemies in the person of England from France, not to mention Poland. So the Soviet leadership from September 1939 to June 1941 acted in the interests of their own country.
    1. yurta2013
      yurta2013 14 May 2013 18: 33
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      Quote: valiant
      Hitler would defeat Poland without this treaty

      The fact of the matter is that without this treaty Hitler would not have dared to attack Poland, because he was afraid of the USSR entering the war, which he was not yet ready for a war with.
    2. yurta2013
      yurta2013 14 May 2013 18: 42
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      Quote: valiant
      why did we need to declare war on Germany if we didn’t conflict with it, and how, excuse me, to fight, if we did not border the Germans, and the Poles did not want to let us into our territory? If we didn’t give a damn about the Poles and rushed, we could still have enemies in the person of England from France, not to mention Poland.

      Even if Hitler decided to attack Poland without a treaty with the USSR, we could just as well send our troops into Poland after it was defeated by Germany, under the pretext of protecting the Ukrainian and Belarusian population of Poland. In this case, the Germans would most likely also cede this territory to us without any secret protocols. But now we would not have to justify ourselves in cooperation with the Nazis. England and France would not receive any reason to declare war on us, especially since on September 3 they had already declared war on Germany.
    3. yurta2013
      yurta2013 14 May 2013 18: 47
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      Quote: valiant
      Hitler would defeat Poland without this treaty

      The fact of the matter is that Hitler would not have dared to attack Poland without this treaty, since he was afraid of the USSR entering the war, which he was not yet ready for a war with.
    4. yurta2013
      yurta2013 14 May 2013 18: 55
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      Quote: valiant
      Hitler would have defeated Poland without this treaty,

      The fact of the matter is that Hitler would not have dared to attack Poland without this treaty, since he was afraid of the USSR, which he was not yet ready for a war with.
      Quote: valiant
      why did we need to declare war on Germany if we didn’t conflict with it, and how, excuse me, to fight, if we did not border the Germans, and the Poles did not want to let us into our territory? If we didn’t give a damn about the Poles and rushed, we could still have enemies in the person of England from France, not to mention Poland.

      Even if Germany attacked Poland without a treaty with Stalin, we could, after defeating Poland, occupy the eastern regions of Poland in the same way under the pretext of protecting Ukrainians and Belarusians. But we would not have to launder now the accusations of cooperation with the Nazis. England and France would have no reason to declare war on us. In addition, they announced it to Germany on September 3.
  • valiant
    valiant 13 May 2013 20: 40
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    Quote: yurta2013
    were necessary for Germany to feed the deployed multi-million army.

    All of Europe was increasing its armament and deploying armies, including us. War was inevitable.
    Quote: yurta2013
    Not everything was taken out.

    And this is not so offensive compared to the fact that we returned to Belarus and annexed the Baltic states with all the resources: human reserves, production capacities, equipment, etc. For example, in the Baltic states, there were 11 infantry divisions, 1 cavalry brigade and 2 cavalry regiments, 1 tank brigade, 1 tank regiment, 15 artillery regiments. The total number of wartime Baltic armies was 427 thousand people. And so during the war the Germans managed to form only 3 SS divisions from the Baltic states, and on our side, 5 corps and a division from the Baltic republics fought.
    Quote: yurta2013
    As for the 45-mm guns, their production began long before 1939.

    I meant that we received the latest technologies and developments we needed thanks to trade with Germany. After all, on the basis of the German 37-mm anti-tank gun (acquired from the Germans), our "forty-five" was created. Ernst Heinkel, commissioned by the Soviet Air Force, developed the HD-37 fighter, which was adopted and produced in the Soviet Union in 1931-1934. under the designation I-7. Another aircraft built by Heinkel for the USSR was the He-55 naval reconnaissance aircraft, which received the designation KR-1 and was in service until 1938. At the end of December 1934, three series IX boats were laid down at the Baltic Shipyard, which received very indicative designations H-1, H-2 and H-3 ("German", or "German"). In October 1937, the letter "C" was adopted for boats of this series. But this is the development of German engineers. By the beginning of the Second World War, 20 submarines of this series were commissioned or were almost ready (only with our diesel engines), another 18 were under construction. In Soviet tanks, the following was used: in the T-28 - the suspension of the Krupp tank, in the T-26, BT and T-28 - welded hulls of German tanks, in the T-28 and T-35 - the internal placement of the team in the bow, in the T- 26, BT, T-28 - observation devices, sights, the idea of ​​pairing a gun with a machine gun, electrical equipment, radio equipment.
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    How is that no difference? You claim that all of France fought against us.

    There is no difference, because in any case, 180 thousand went to serve in the Wehrmacht.
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      yurta2013 14 May 2013 19: 08
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      Quote: valiant
      All of Europe was building up arms and deploying armies

      Germany deployed the largest army in Europe, and after the conclusion of an agreement with us, its strength increased by more than 2 times. Germany had no large food supplies at that time. The military industry of Germany began to develop in fact only in 1934 and also did not have sufficient strategic reserves of raw materials. Both gave Germany the USSR and a number of other countries. That is, we ourselves helped Hitler to increase the combat power of his army.
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      yurta2013 14 May 2013 19: 22
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      Quote: valiant
      All of Europe was building up arms and deploying armies

      Germany has increased its army more than anyone. After the contract with us, it increased by more than 2 times. Meanwhile, the revival of the German army actually began only in 1935. Germany did not manage to accumulate large food reserves, as well as other strategic resources by 1939. Thus, in the next two years, we ourselves helped her do this and prepare the army for a war with us.
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      The total number of wartime Baltic armies was 427 thousand people. And so during the war the Germans managed to form only 3 SS divisions from the Baltic states, and on our side, 5 corps and a division from the Baltic republics fought.

      And why do you think that we could not enter our troops there without an agreement with Hitler? Moreover, we could get consent to this even from England to France, or even without their consent, in the event of a German attack on France.
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      yurta2013 14 May 2013 19: 54
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      Quote: valiant
      I meant that we got the latest technologies and developments that we needed, thanks to trade with Germany.

      All these acquisitions were made by us before the 1939 treaty.
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 14 May 2013 00: 46
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    There is enough material on the Internet about how Stalin brought Hitler to power. I advise you to read. And not only the Stalinist version, but also the objective information, which is also there.


    Truly "Delhi and conquer." In how are they trying to push us away from victory? !!! *

    After such propaganda via the Internet and without the presence of their brains - the people of the future will come to the conclusion that the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945 - was a war for the self-destruction of the Russian people, and the SSEC and Wehrmacht troops with punitive detachments - were on our territory as peaceful observers from the League Nazi
    Maybe it's time for us to use the above postulate and separate the flies from cutlets:
    Stalin was not a racist or Russophobe - even if we take his mistakes (as any person has) related to repression and strategy, he did not build them on a national basis, or with hatred of the Russian people.
    Then there was the hardest war, for three years England was waiting, with the secret hope of Hitler’s victory, the USA - fought with Japan, and also did not feel any help from the British or Europe, only from the Australian Armed Forces; Then the Red Army in defeated Berlin and victory ....
    In your words, Stalin’s victory over himself. Dutki! The victory of Our peoples over the neo-crusaders of Europe and other scum.
    So do not equate the offspring of Moses admirer of Italian fascism with Hitler and Russian man Georgian Stalin.
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      yurta2013 14 May 2013 19: 46
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      Quote: Kostya pedestrian
      After such propaganda via the Internet

      Our Stalinists are carrying out real propaganda over the Internet, trying by any means to give black to white, that is, to justify as much as possible Stalinism and its crimes in the eyes of modern Russian youth and, thereby, make it possible to repeat it on our land.
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      Stalin was not a racist or Russophobe - even if we take his mistakes (as any person has) related to repression and strategy, he did not build them on a national basis, or with hatred of the Russian people.

      This does not justify the result of his policy - tens of millions of victims among all the peoples of the USSR.
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      Then there was the hardest war, for three years England was waiting, with the secret hope of Hitler’s victory

      England entered the war with Germany before the USSR. Possessing an insignificant ground army and conducting military operations with Italy and Germany in Africa, it could not open a 2nd front in Europe before the entry into the US war. But even after this, the landing operation of the British and Americans in Europe, before the accumulation of an absolute superiority in forces, would be doomed to failure and would not distract from the Soviet front any major Wehrmacht forces.
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      In your words, Stalin’s victory over himself. Dutki! The victory of Our peoples over the neo-crusaders of Europe and other scum.

      No need to write phrases for me. Here, just, I completely agree with you.
      Quote: Kostya pedestrian
      do not equate the offspring of Moses admirer of Italian fascism with Hitler and Russian man Georgian Stalin.

      How did Joseph Vessarionovich Dzhugashvili become a Russian person? I do not equal him completely with Hitler, but on his conscience many millions of lives of Russian and non-Russian citizens of the USSR.
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 14 May 2013 00: 54
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    This # to those who think by number and not by skill are the followers of those ram commanders who have killed the most of their soldiers, and they dare to blather on the heroes of the USSR from the Big Letter that saved Russian lives.

    From the history of the regiment:
    "Normandy Neman." Their first task was to escort the Soviet bombers over Smolensk and Roslavl, which at that time were under German occupation.
    Fire was fired from the ground at the aircraft of the Normandie-Niemen squadron, at the helm of which were French pilots. The result of the battle, in which the pilots Alber Duran and Albert Preziosi distinguished themselves, was 2 downed Fokke-Wulf-190. The debut of the Normandie-Niemen French pilots turned out to be rather successful: thanks to their support, the USSR bombers link reached the destination airfield safely, avoiding enemy attacks.
    After the first task, many other successful operations followed, which brought glory to the French pilots and held together the Soviet-French combat fraternity. During the fighting, only 108 French pilots visited the Soviet-German front, which conducted more than 5240 sorties, 869 air battles and shot down 273 enemy aircraft. The total number of losses was 42 people. The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded to 4 French pilots.
  • valiant
    valiant 15 May 2013 00: 46
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    Quote: yurta2013
    Both gave Germany the USSR and a number of other countries. That is, we ourselves helped Hitler to increase the combat power of his army.

    First of all, Western democracies helped increase the military power of Germany. England and France consistently pursued the notorious policy of "appeasement", diligently turning a blind eye to such petty pranks as Germany’s violation of military restrictions imposed on her or the Anschluss of Austria. The crown of this course was the Munich Agreement. You probably know all this, but for some reason you are trying to blame all the bumps on Stalin. And after Hitler came to power, trade with the USSR was greatly reduced. I can give you the numbers.
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    Even if Germany attacked Poland without a treaty with Stalin, we could, after defeating Poland, occupy the eastern regions of Poland in the same way under the pretext of protecting Ukrainians and Belarusians. But we would not have to launder now the accusations of cooperation with the Nazis.

    Likewise, it would not have been possible to occupy. It would be a massacre, but why did we have to join the war ahead of time? Instead of, as has often happened before in Russian history, obediently becoming cannon fodder in other people's squabbles, the Soviet Union dared to take care of its own interests. In addition, as I wrote earlier, we, along with the territory, acquired a lot of human and material resources, not counting that we moved our borders hundreds of kilometers away.
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    And why do you think that we could not enter our troops there without an agreement with Hitler?

    This is outright aggression, this would be an occasion to the alliance of Berlin with London and Paris, which Hitler so dreamed about. They conducted secret negotiations, because Comrade Hess was counting on something? And then the Japanese and the Finns would roll up there, and they would have to fight back from the whole world. Moreover, the British nurtured plans for an attack on the USSR and carefully prepared for this.
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    All these acquisitions were made by us before the 1939 treaty.

    I can give a lot of examples and figures of military purchases by us from Germany in 39-40, there are the latest aircraft, and multi-cutters for roughing shells, and four-spindle semiautomatic machines for processing mines, and unique machines for boring gun barrels, and presses for squeezing liners, and diesel engines ... in general, all the latest technologies and materials.
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      yurta2013 15 May 2013 16: 17
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      Quote: valiant
      for some reason you are trying to blame all the bumps on Stalin. And after Hitler came to power, trade with the USSR was greatly reduced. I can give you the numbers.

      I’m not trying to blame all the bumps on Stalin, but just trying to restore the historical truth in response to your attempts to hide the fact of Stalin’s guilt in unleashing World War II and blame all the responsibility on the Western powers.
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      Likewise, it would not have been possible to occupy. It would be a massacre, but why did we have to join the war ahead of time?

      The Polish leadership did not know anything about secret agreements regarding Hitler and Stalin, therefore there could be no difference in the introduction of our troops into Poland with or without a treaty. Everything would happen as it happened in reality. Hitler would not dare to enter into a military clash with us, since his army was not yet ready for this and, moreover, he was very afraid of a war on two fronts (England and France declared war on September 3).
      Quote: valiant
      This is outright aggression, this would be an occasion to the alliance of Berlin with London and Paris, which Hitler so dreamed about. They conducted secret negotiations, because Comrade Hess was counting on something? And then the Japanese and the Finns would roll up there, and they would have to fight back from the whole world. Moreover, the British nurtured plans for an attack on the USSR and carefully prepared for this.

      The reality is that from September 3, England and France were in a war with Germany and after the capture of Poland, no reconciliation between them was completely impossible, even against the USSR. The Japanese got such a heavy cuff on Khalkhin Gol that they would hardly have decided then on a full-scale war with us. Finland was not going to fight with us at all. The initiator of the war with her was the leadership of the USSR.
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      I can give a lot of examples and figures of military purchases by us from Germany in the years 39-40,

      Of the weapons, Germany supplied us with only a few samples. And she delayed the supply of the rest of high-tech products in every way. In the full amount of everything that they promised us, we never received. By the way, the fact that Hitler received great benefits from this trade is proved by the successes of his armies in the first period of the Second World War. If it were not for the help of the Allies, we would most likely have been defeated already in 1942.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 15 May 2013 21: 24
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        The Polish leadership did not know anything about secret agreements regarding Hitler and Stalin, therefore there could be no difference in the introduction of our troops into Poland with or without a treaty. .

        By the way, Poland took an active part in the Munich agreement and, as a result of this agreement, also got a piece of the territory for itself !!! What is your low opinion about the Poles? I think that you don’t have to be a particularly outstanding strategist to understand that countries like Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states are no more than buffer zone between the USSR and Germany - in 1939 the question was how to divide this space profitably ..
        Hitler would not dare to enter into a military clash with us, since his army was not yet ready for this and, moreover, he was very afraid of a war on two fronts (England and France declared war on September 3).

        Another persistent myth !!! If Hitler was so afraid of war on 2 fronts, why did he attack Poland - after all, England and France could hit him in the rear? ... Could yes not hit - and depicted only the appearance of war Hitler was not afraid of anything - he instantly got rid of one front and then the other ... Naturally, the Soviet leadership could not look at all this disgrace calmly !!!
        The Japanese got such a heavy cuff on Khalkhin Gol that they would hardly have decided then on a full-scale war with us.

        I think that Japan did not attack the USSR because of Khalkhin Gol ... They attacked - and correctly even calculated the moment (the winter of 1941 - the Germans near Moscow) only attacked their main potential enemy - the USA ...
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          yurta2013 16 May 2013 12: 19
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          Quote: Selevc
          If Hitler was so afraid of war on 2 fronts - why did he attack Poland - after all, England and France could hit him in the rear? ... Could they not hit, but depicted only the appearance of war

          It is one thing to depict the appearance of war during the German attack on Poland, and quite another to the USSR. In 1939, Germany was still not able to quickly defeat the personnel army of the USSR (as happened in 1941), and Hitler understood this very well. As a result, Germany would be drawn into a protracted war with us on the territory of Poland and the border regions of the USSR and Germany, having behind it the still not defeated army of France (and England), which Hitler tried to avoid by all means. To this end, he signed a contract that was not very profitable for himself with Stalin in 1939.
  • Kazanok
    Kazanok 9 June 2013 16: 34
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    the author is either a liar or stupid .. for a land-lease payment was not made how much can I say ..... paid only for what we left to ourselves after the war .... besides, the land-lease lasted until the end of 1946 ...