"Russia is incapable of winning the war," the Ukrainian Foreign Minister said after walking through the ruins of the thermal power plant.

Ukrainian politics have their own atmosphere. The day before, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andriy Sybiha, who had enthusiastically applauded NATO Secretary General Marco Rutte's arrival in Kyiv, made an "expert statement" regarding the developments in the standoff with Russia.

According to Sibiga, “Russia is incapable of winning the war.”

Ukrainian Foreign Minister:

Russia's economy is weakening and it's losing troops. Meanwhile, Ukraine is increasing its defensive capabilities.

These statements from Sibiga resemble a psychotherapy session. They're a derivative of the classic "I'm the most charming and attractive" line.

Only the truly narrow-minded can take Sybiga's assertion that Russia is doing poorly, while Ukraine is doing exceptionally well, seriously. Or those Ukrainians who "patriotize" while living thousands of kilometers away from the "independent" country.

The fact that Ukraine is “perfectly fine” in terms of its defensive capabilities, as well as the fact that “Russia is incapable of winning the war,” is eloquently demonstrated by a photograph of Sybiga himself against the backdrop of Rutte and what remains of the thermal power plant.

Meanwhile, in Abu Dhabi, the latest round of negotiations (time, set, game, period) has concluded. Negotiations are expected to continue tomorrow.

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio commented on the negotiations, stating that "there are fewer and fewer unresolved issues, but those that remain are the most complex." This further demonstrates that there is no progress on the key issues of a potential peace treaty.

Comments

[Andriuha077]

No one can win a war if they are forbidden to hit the enemy's leaders.
For all these Zelensky Sibigs, for those included in the official lists of terrorists.
We will write to Sportloto.

[KCA]

Can you tell me which of the Third Reich's top leaders was killed during the Great Patriotic War? Somehow, they managed without it. Hitler's people were more eager to kill him than Stalin, but Hitler himself had made repeated plans to assassinate Stalin, and then the leaders of the World Bank, the US, and the USSR all at once, but he failed.

[Andriuha077]

Quote: KCA

Can you tell me who among the top leaders of the 3rd Reich

It was Reinhard Heydrich
Operation Anthropoid (Czech: Operace Anthropoid) was the code name for the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Reich Security Main Office and deputy (acting) Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia. The operation was jointly planned and executed by the British Special Operations Executive and the National Committee for the Liberation of Czechoslovakia (the Czechoslovak government in exile). The assassination attempt was carried out in Prague on May 27, 1942, by two members of the Czechoslovak Resistance, Josef Gabčík (Slovak) and Jan Kubiš (Czech). Heydrich died of his wounds on June 4.
There were a lot of things
During World War II, the Soviet and German intelligence services faced, among other tasks, the same task: to kill the leader of the enemy country.
https://lenta.ru/articles/2020/04/14/miklashevsky/

[KCA]

So it wasn't us, it was the British, and it's unknown what goals they were pursuing.

[Tatyana]

Quote: KCA

Can you tell me which of the top leaders of the 3rd Reich were killed during the fighting in WWII?

I will.

For example.
In the autumn of 1942, an officer arrived in German-occupied Rivne Paul Siebert, whose real name was Nikolai Ivanovich Kuznetsov.
In a year and a half An intelligence officer from the 4th Directorate of the NKGB managed to personally kill 11 German generals and high-ranking Nazis. Kuznetsov transmitted to Moscow a diagram of Hitler's Ukrainian headquarters, "Werwolf," information about the Germans' preparations for an offensive on the Kursk Bulge, and German intelligence's plans to assassinate the leaders of the anti-Hitler coalition countries.

See details - https://dzen.ru/a/YbUPw4d0BAuQ2Eyd?ysclid=ml8ddnhk1d861522251

[KCA]

I've read Medvedev's "It Happened Near Rivne," of course, and even now they often talk about Kuznetsov on TV. But those were acts of sabotage, so to speak, against local leaders. So what if they screw Klyachko, for example? He's a fucking outcast leader and decision-maker? Was there even a single assassination attempt on the Reich's top leaders, or even planned? If the Gauleiter of Dnepropetrovsk or, say, Poltava were killed, what would that change? And frankly, I'd tone down the victorious realities about Soviet saboteurs. Kuznetsov screwed Koch, heroically, but how many civilians, including children, were subsequently put to rest? How many hundreds for one? In the USSR, of course, they didn’t write about this, but the Germans couldn’t have carried out this sabotage without retaliation; they clearly couldn’t have carried out hundreds of them just like that; they caught them on the street and hanged them, or shot them, or even thousands.

[KCA]

It was a bit of a mess, I wrote it, got distracted, didn't get to Koch Kuznetsov, he was referring to sabotage against Cuba, but that was without him

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Tatiana

Over the course of a year and a half, an intelligence officer from the 4th Directorate of the NKGB managed to personally kill 11 German generals and high-ranking Nazis.

And were there many of them, well, at least OKH commanders? I'm not even mentioning the four G's.

[nikolai711]

Wilhelm Kube was also not the last person in the Third Reich. And he was killed by Russian partisans. Just a reminder.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: nikolai711

Wilhelm Kube was also not the last person in the Third Reich. And he was killed by Russian partisans. Just a reminder.

No, he's not a petty clerk, but he's still not worth listing as a leader of the Reich... essentially, something like a governor...

[Vasia]

Quote: Andriuha077

It was Reinhard Heydrich
Operation Anthropoid (Czech: operace Anthropoid) was the code name for the operation to assassinate Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Reich Main Office.... The operation was prepared and carried out jointly by the British intelligence agency Special Operations Executive and the National Committee for the Liberation of Czechoslovakia (the Czechoslovak government in exile).

Did this in any way determine the victory of the Red Army?

During World War II, the Soviet and German intelligence services faced, among other tasks, the same task: to kill the leader of the enemy country.

Again, and did they kill many?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Andriuha077

the liquidation of Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Reich Main Security Office, deputy (acting) Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia

Chota is by no means the highest leader of the Reich, is he?

[Andriuha077]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Quote: Andriuha077

the liquidation of Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Reich Main Security Office, deputy (acting) Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia

Chota is by no means the highest leader of the Reich, is he?

Key figures of the Reich's top leadership:
Adolf Hitler is the Fuhrer, the supreme commander in chief.
Hermann Göring - Reich Minister of Aviation, head of the "Four Year Plan", Hitler's successor (until April 1945).
Heinrich Himmler - Reichsführer SS, Chief of the Reich Main Security Office (RSHA), Minister of the Interior.
Martin Bormann was the head of the NSDAP Party Chancellery and Hitler's secretary.
Joseph Goebbels - Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda.
Joachim von Ribbentrop - Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Albert Speer - Reich Minister of Armaments and War Production.
Reinhard Heydrich - Head of the Reich Main Security Office (until 1942).
Ernst Kaltenbrunner - Head of the Reich Main Security Office (since 1943).
Wilhelm Keitel was the Chief of Staff of the Supreme Command of the Wehrmacht (OKW).
Karl Dönitz was a Grand Admiral who succeeded Hitler as head of state in 1945.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Andriuha077

Key figures of the Reich's top leadership

Of the eleven key figures listed, only Heydrich was eliminated during the war. And even then, there is suspicion, this was not because he was the head of the Reich Main Security Office, but because he was deputy to the Reich Governor of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.
Not much. Especially considering the assassination attempt was organized by the Czechs and the British, and not by the all-powerful SMERSH, which is being sung to here.
Well, in general, this doesn't fit in with the popular concept here that in all wars, they always tried to eliminate the top leadership. Quite the contrary, it suggests that in reality, this idea was unpopular, since even in World War II, the top leadership of all the warring countries suffered virtually no damage.

[alexandre II]

You could give another example from the 13th century. Don't you think that times are different now, and the possibilities, including technical ones, are different?

[Alexey G]

You could give another example from the 13th century. Don't you think that times are different now, and the possibilities, including technical ones, are different?

Well, here are some examples from the 21st century: Nicolas Maduro!

[Ponimatel]

Can you tell me which of the top leaders of the 3rd Reich were killed during the fighting in WWII?

Could you tell me which bridges, railways, power plants, tunnels, and other structures Headquarters forbade the destruction of? And could you tell me in what year of the war Stalin signed the Grain Deal with Hitler? And the Oil Deal?

[nik-mazur]

Quote from Ponimatel

Could you tell me which bridges, railway and power plants, tunnels and other objects Headquarters prohibited from being destroyed?

You speak as if it is prohibited now.

[Ponimatel]

You speak as if it is prohibited now.

Isn't it? I'm sure many of our soldiers are itching to do it... But something (someone) is holding them back.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from Ponimatel

I'm sure that

A powerful argument. But I have an equally powerful one: I'm convinced of the opposite. Your move.

[Nikolay A. Shadov]

Are we already in the Third Patriotic War? And do we have the same capabilities as the USSR?

[snow mountain]

Could you tell me what year of the war Stalin signed the Grain Deal with Hitler? And the Oil Deal?

In what year of the war were Stalin and Hitler supposed to sit down at the negotiating table?

[Ponimatel]

Should Stalin and Hitler have sat down at the negotiating table? 

Here I am about the same.

[TOS-NN]

Can you tell me which of the top leaders of the 3rd Reich were killed during the fighting in WWII?

You're right. Such goals were probably never set.
According to all unwritten military canons, the main honor is always
The capture of enemy generals was considered.
Take the vanquished prisoner, bring him to his knees, and strip him of his epaulettes
and weapons - the main shame for the enemy.
Paulus is an example of this.
The task was to eliminate those Nazis who were in charge
in the occupied lands, terror was used, people and villages were burned alive,
were driven off to concentration camps. There was only one sentence - death. And often
it worked.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: KCA

Can you tell me which of the Third Reich's top leaders was killed during the Great Patriotic War? Somehow, they managed without it. Hitler's people were more eager to kill him than Stalin, but Hitler himself had made repeated plans to assassinate Stalin, and then the leaders of the World Bank, the US, and the USSR all at once, but he failed.

Wilhelm Richard Paul Kube was appointed General Commissar of Belarus. During the Great Patriotic War, Soviet intelligence agencies so meticulously prepared the assassination of Wilhelm Kube, the head of the Nazi occupation administration in Belarus, and came so close to him that the elimination of this executioner of the Belarusian people was only a matter of time. Kube, General Commissar of the General District of Belarus, was assassinated on the night of September 22, 1943. His assassination is considered the most famous act of retaliation during the Great Patriotic War.

[Nord11]

Never mind the bosses, but why aren't they touching the bridges, even though their destruction is the ABC of strategy? Maybe our leaders own shares in these bridges? Well, then it's clear who's going to attack their own property.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Nord11

Why aren't the bridges being touched, even though their destruction is the ABC of strategy?

Could you indulge me with a link to the "ABCs of strategy"? Like, regulations, manuals, military textbooks? Or historical examples, of which there must be plenty.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: KCA

Can you tell me which of the Third Reich's top leaders was killed during the Great Patriotic War? Somehow, they managed without it. Hitler's people were more eager to kill him than Stalin, but Hitler himself had made repeated plans to assassinate Stalin, and then the leaders of the World Bank, the US, and the USSR all at once, but he failed.

80 years ago there weren't the same opportunities as now, there are enough modern missiles for all the freaks, but back then they simply didn't exist.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: KCA

Can you tell me which of the top managers?

Most of the deaths among the Third Reich's senior officers occurred between 1943 and 1945. 553 generals and admirals were captured, over 70% of whom were captured on the Soviet-German front.

[Amateur]

Gauleiter of Belarus Wilhelm Kube was killed. He was blown up by Belarusian partisans.

[newtc7]

The difference is that back then, there was no way to kill Hitler or other Reich leaders, but the desire was there. Now, there's the opportunity, but no desire. Those are two very different things. And let's just say that a living Zelya is just one symptom of this "strange" operation.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from: newtc7

At that time there was no possibility of killing Hitler or other Reich leaders

During the war, three plans to assassinate Hitler were developed in the USSR. One was abandoned, as it envisioned assassinating Hitler if the Germans captured Moscow. Stalin personally banned two other fully prepared operations.
So, there were opportunities.

[Dizel200]

I agree with you, sometimes you need to hit hard and precisely, not so loosely as now. Sometimes we have to strike first if a fight is inevitable, sometimes we rely on some judo principles, sometimes we show off our muscles in photos, and in the end... the whole world watches and draws conclusions.

[Vasia]

Quote: Dizel200

I agree with you, sometimes you need to hit hard and precisely, not so loosely as now. Sometimes we have to strike first if a fight is inevitable, sometimes we rely on some judo principles, sometimes we show off our muscles in photos, and in the end... the whole world watches and draws conclusions.

Modern armchair experts generally resemble street-level chess players watching a world championship match and claiming everything is obvious to them, and that they should have just "moved like a horse." When I observe such people in real life, I realize that they are most likely not geniuses, but ignorant, self-satisfied chatterboxes with an incredible excess of self-importance. After all, they lack the necessary theoretical training, practical experience, or the necessary awareness to understand the need to make a particular decision at a given moment.

[Dizel200]

They're not armchair experts; they think better, almost like geniuses. The only thing is, their actions are a complete mess, both in reality and in the future. The efficiency is very low.

[newtc7]

Oh yes, yes, great chess players, brilliant moves, red lines - we've heard all this so many times that it causes nothing but a gag reflex.
In fact, 4 years of war and the result is plus or minus zero.

[Vasia]

Quote from: newtc7

In fact, 4 years of war and the result is plus or minus zero.

Depending on the circumstances, it could be 10 years, as in Afghanistan.
But what can you talk about with someone who insists "the result is plus or minus zero"? You don't even realize how ridiculous you look when you try to convince others that black is white.

[newtc7]

The intensity of the Afghan war is, to put it mildly, different. And yet, it seems you're trying to convince yourself of this. Could you tell me how many kilometers the front has retreated from Donetsk in four years? Perhaps the entire Donbas has been occupied? Perhaps the Russian cities of Odessa and Mykolaiv have returned home? Or, for example, has Ukraine ceased to exist as a state? Perhaps denazification and de-methylation have occurred? You're lying to yourself, persistently and successfully, and this is precisely what seems most absurd.

[Vasia]

Quote from: newtc7

The intensity of the Afghan is, to put it mildly, different. And it seems you're trying to convince yourself.

So what? The intensity is, to put it mildly, different from WWII, but you're still putting your four years into it.

Quote from: newtc7

Could you tell me how many kilometers the front has retreated from Donetsk in 4 years?

Take a map and count, it’s not that difficult.

Quote from: newtc7

Perhaps the Russian cities of Odessa and Mykolaiv have returned home? Or, for example, has Ukraine ceased to exist as a state? Perhaps denazification and demethylation have occurred?

Everything has its time. Your scaling everything down to your four-year timeframe is pure demagoguery, a misrepresentation. Every conflict has its time. Some goals may even be resolved through political means.

Quote from: newtc7

You lie to yourself, persistently and successfully, and this is precisely what looks the most ridiculous.

To avoid looking like a complete chatterbox, quote my lies to myself.

[newtc7]

You can only see yourself as a chatterbox in the mirror, Vasya. Just read your message and think about what you're writing. Such miracle guards who say "everything is fine, beautiful marquise" have long ceased to evoke anything but mild regret tinged with disgust.

[Vasia]

Quote from: newtc7

You can only see yourself as a chatterbox in the mirror, Vasya.

It was expected that you had nothing to quote, but why be so cocky? Save your nerves, you might need them later.

[Nord11]

And what about your children and grandchildren in Cambridge, and a happy old age in the bourgeoisie? You'll inevitably become very cautious and tactful.

[your1970]

Quote: Andriuha077

No one can win a war if they are forbidden to hit the enemy's leaders.

In 1942, Stalin cancelled all preparations for an assassination attempt on Hitler and banned the preparation of such assassination attempts in the future.
Was the USSR unable to win the war?

[Andriuha077]

Quote: your1970

In 1942, Stalin cancelled all preparations for an assassination attempt on Hitler and banned the preparation of such assassination attempts in the future.
Was the USSR unable to win the war?

On the contrary.

The Red Army had already turned the tide of the war, and Hitler's death, in the leader's view, could have led to the German government concluding a separate peace treaty with the Allies. Then, the USSR, which had already suffered catastrophic losses, would have been left in the minority. Three independent sources simultaneously noted that this was precisely the reason the decision was made to abandon the idea of ​​assassinating Hitler: Miklashevsky's recruiter Sudoplatov, Stalin's biography author Vladimir Karpov, and British historian Anthony Beever.

Now the situation is fundamentally different.

[snow mountain]

Quote: your1970

In 1942, Stalin cancelled all preparations for an assassination attempt on Hitler and banned the preparation of such assassination attempts in the future.

Oddly enough, Stalin preferred Hitler to any unpredictable leader who might sit down at the negotiating table with the West. Churchill thought so too, fearing a deal between the new leader and Stalin.

[ZovSailor]

Andriuha077
Today, 19: 30
No one can win a war if they are forbidden to hit the enemy's leaders.
For all these Zelensky Sibigs, for those included in the official lists of terrorists.
We will write to Sportloto.

They were all put on trial in absentia by the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor General's Office, convicted in absentia with prison terms, but how can we explain it to Russians who are losing their loved ones every day on the orders of these scumbags convicted in absentia in the Russian Federation?

[Nikolay A. Shadov]

Messire may write (as a sign of protest, of course).
But first, I recommend that Messire take into account the following obvious things:
1. It is unlikely that the messire really knows who forbade (and did they forbade?) the destruction of whom.
2. Likewise, Messire is unlikely to be aware of our capabilities for eliminating the notorious leadership. And one suspects these capabilities are limited, if only because it's not just Ukrainian intelligence acting against us. I'll offer a casual guess: the security of the "independent" country's leadership and its truly capable generals is ensured by both European and American intelligence services and reliable defense mechanisms. We clearly can't compete with such a complex (if it truly exists).
3. Killing the puppets can provide nothing but moral satisfaction. But a "retaliatory retaliation" involving the demonstrative elimination of our own senior civilian and military leadership could come (and there's a suspicion it won't be orchestrated by the Ukrainians).
4. Zaluzhny has already been hit, as he himself has reported. There are rumors that Budanov has also been in trouble.

[Alexey G]

Killing puppets can give nothing but moral satisfaction.

You're mistaken. Zelensky has learned to maneuver between two sponsors, milking both, threatening to surrender to a third. So in this situation, it's very difficult to tell whether the dog is wagging the tail or the tail is wagging the dog!
And if you remove him, there will be discord between them...

[your1970]

Quote: Alexey G

And if you remove him, there will be discord between them...

Or will appoint new - nodding to both simultaneously anything...

[Alexey G]

That's the thing, if they don't appoint someone, they'll fight...

[your1970]

Quote: Alexey G

That's the thing, if they don't appoint someone, they'll fight...

England and the States? Well, well...

[Alexey G]

What's surprising about that? They're already squabbling over the transfer of Diego Garcia to Mauritius.
Interests have diverged...
Trump doesn't want a direct conflict with the Russians, but the British do!
Because of Greenland...

[your1970]

Quote: Alexey G

What's surprising about that? They're already squabbling over the transfer of Diego Garcia to Mauritius.
Interests have diverged...
Trump doesn't want a direct conflict with the Russians, but the British do!
Because of Greenland...

They talked me into it - when they get to the point of a fight, you whistle for me, I want to watch...

[Alexey G]

it will come to a fight

They won't stand up straight, the English are making a mess...

[your1970]

Quote: Alexey G

it will come to a fight

They won't stand up straight, the English are making a mess...

They talked us into it again - when they start shitting on each other's heads...

[multi-category]

Quote: Andriuha077

No one can win a war if they are forbidden to hit the enemy's leaders.

It is problematic to win the war against moods with the chosen means.
There's no war being waged against the people, otherwise, after just a block and a series of carpet bombings, the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have no rear areas left. A strange grinding of soldiers on the front lines is underway, achieving no useful goal.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: multicaat

There is a strange grinding of soldiers on the front lines that does not achieve any useful goal.

Do you know another way to destroy the enemy army?

[Dock1272]

When, during World War II, Anglo-American aircraft bombed Dresden, Cologne, and other cities, killing many "civilians," remember what they said in their own defense. They said soldiers were fighting, but "civilians" were producing weapons and ammunition for them...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Doc1272

When the Anglo-American air force bombed Dresden during World War II

How does this relate to my question?

[Dock1272]

About that other method. Destroy the army not on the battlefield, but by making it so they have nothing to fight with. Only with clubs...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Doc1272

Destroy the army not on the battlefield, but make it so that they have nothing to fight with

And has it often happened in world history that an army was defeated somewhere other than on the battlefield? Well, just to understand the reality of such a method.

[Plate]

Take the American army in Vietnam, for example. It won every (or almost every) battle, but ultimately left in disgrace. Or Germany in World War II. The USSR lost not because of the skill of its soldiers and officers, but because while it was producing its one Tiger, Stalin's factories were churning out a dozen T-34s (so to speak), which could steamroller everything. Napoleon, in my opinion, also lost in Russia not on the battlefield, but in his Paris office (not even his field headquarters). Russia lost World War I not on the battlefield, again, but first in the factories (of which there were catastrophically few), and then in the capital. Germany in that same war was strangled, not defeated on the battlefield (the Germans were never driven out of France until the very end). And so on and so forth. Unfortunately, I am a bad historian, so I cannot name more subtle examples for amateurs, so I will make do with the well-known ones.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Plate

The American army in Vietnam... Germany in World War II... Napoleon in Russia... Russia in World War I... Germany in the same war

The Russian army in World War I and the US army in Vietnam were indeed not defeated, but the defeat in the war was due to domestic political reasons over which the enemy had no influence.
The German army was defeated on the battlefield in both World Wars.
The Patriotic War of 1812 is one of the few examples where the enemy army was virtually annihilated. This is primarily because Napoleon was a brilliant tactician but a lousy strategist. Had he been less brilliant, he might have suffered fewer losses – simply lost a couple of battles and retreated.
By the way, let me remind you that I asked specifically about examples of the defeat of an army not on the battlefield, and not about losing a war, when anything could happen.

[Dock1272]

World War I, 17. Russian army.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Doc1272

World War I, 17. Russian Army

The Russian army wasn't defeated—it was, in every sense of the word, disbanded by the Bolsheviks who seized power. The Germans had nothing to do with it.

[Dock1272]

Well, if you remember that a very large part of the funding came from the Germans, then it turns out that it had...

[multi-category]

Quote: Doc1272

Remember what words they said in their defense.

I haven't lived that long

[multi-category]

Is our goal really to destroy the army, which we have time to mobilize to the extent possible? Putin's speeches didn't set such a goal.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: multicaat

Our goal is definitely to destroy the army.

Of course not. The goal is to defeat the enemy army. And that's not the same as destroying it.

Quote: multicaat

which there is time to mobilize as much as is generally possible?

Some incomprehensible passage.

Quote: multicaat

This was not the goal set in the speeches of the President

Because the defeat of the enemy army is not a goal, but a means.

[multi-category]

Our goal is to destroy...?

Quote from: nik-mazur

Of course not.

Quote from: nik-mazur

Do you know another way to destroy the enemy army?

You should decide for yourself what you want, and then argue.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: multicaat

You would decide for yourself

I'm making up my mind: the quote above should contain the word "destroy"а"t."

[multi-category]

I quoted my words accurately. I also copied your quotes without distortion. Don't beat around the bush.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: multicaat

I also copied your quotes without any distortion.

Once again: the “and” in the word “destroy” is a typo that I didn’t notice and correct in time.

[multi-category]

Okay, but if you've decided, can you tell me on what?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: multicaat

If you have decided, can you tell me on what?

Quote from: nik-mazur

I'm making up my mind: the quote above should contain the word "destroy"а"t."

Quote from: nik-mazur

The task is to defeat the enemy army.

Quote from: nik-mazur

the defeat of the enemy army is not a goal, but a means

[multi-category]

Okay, tomorrow the last Ukrainian Armed Forces soldier will be knocked out. The remedy has been applied.
What's next? I won't bore you with grand plans, but let's take a local area near Zaporizhzhia, for example. There are no combat-ready enemies in sight until the borders of Romania and Poland. What should we do? Just keep in mind that something like Crimea won't work at all.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: multicaat

Tomorrow the last Ukrainian Armed Forces soldier will be knocked out... what next... what should we do?

When there is no army, you can do whatever you want with the country.

Quote: multicaat

Like in Crimea, it won't work at all

These are the problems of the vanquished – if they don’t want it, like in Crimea in 2014, then it will be like in Germany in 1945.

[multi-category]

Quote from: nik-mazur

then it will be like in Germany in 1945.

I don't think that analogy is accurate. Although, if we continue to fight for another four years, we might destroy our economy just as the Nazis destroyed the USSR. And then you'd be right.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: multicaat

We might destroy our economy in the same way the Nazis destroyed the USSR.

You are either afraid or hoping...

[your vsr 66-67]

This once again shows that there has been no progress on the key issues of a possible peace treaty.

And it won't! The positions of the parties are too different.
We need victory, the enemy needs a break!

[South Ukrainian]

Quote: your vsr 66-67

Give the enemy a break!

The Ukrainian power grid has been reduced to such a state that it would literally take a few snaps of a finger and everything would go out. Even now, supermarkets with industrial generators are experiencing serious problems with ice cream, not to mention everything else. You can't restore power in a month, no matter how much money you give them. We need to cut off power to vulnerable areas.

[multi-category]

Quote: South Ukrainian

The horn-prone areas need to be de-energized.

The funniest thing is that the rogues are happy if their neighbors are worse off than them.
So maybe it would have been far more painful for them psychologically not to have started the NWO, not to have fought for four years, not to have bombed the thermal power plant, not to have waited eight years, and instead, with the same money, to double our people's standard of living? They would have gotten fed up and given up. I still don't think starting the NWO was the optimal solution—there were plenty of simple and peaceful ways to reverse Russophobic sentiment and stop what was happening in Donbas without all these numerous concerns.
So, who prevented us from rebuilding Mariupol and other such projects, instead of focusing on construction and economic development in the border regions? Paying not the soldiers, but our own, non-migrant 2 million workers 200 rubles, not for the war, but for their work improving the country? Just imagine the work, equivalent in budget to about 30 Sochis, carried out to improve life here. And instead of pointlessly funding propagandists, implement a couple more such projects. What effect would this have on Ukrainians? Where would their arrogance be?
I don't like this whole weird "be glad they're doing badly" thing. Things are getting worse here too, every day. And there's no joy in it.
Because the couple Ukrainians If he dies in Kyiv or Lvov, I wouldn't live any better.

[South Ukrainian]

Quote: multicaat

I won't live any better if a couple of Ukrainians die in Kyiv or Lviv.

If we were starting over, we should have not annexed the western regions or amnestied the Banderites after Stalin's death. You know, in 91, it wasn't the Ukrainians who gained an independent state, but the Banderites. And within 20 years, they infected almost all of Ukraine with their disease, except for Donbas and Crimea.

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Quote: South Ukrainian

The state was not given to the Ukrainians, but to the Banderites

The state was taken over by unprincipled careerists. They had no communist or Banderite convictions, only a desire to eat until they burst.
The problem was that the most aggressive ones came to power and no one stopped them - everyone had their own backs and, in my opinion, the Banderites ended up in the competition for the most brutal ones by accident.
These could have been Polakophiles, or admirers of communism modeled on the Khmer Rouge, or even green defenders of the pigs. And the culprits were those who were vested with representative power but did nothing but enrich themselves.
The winner of the competition wasn't called back immediately—he was needed when Moscow capital was invading Ukraine too brazenly, and some protection was needed for the less ruthless local capitalists. This is my version of what happened.

[South Ukrainian]

Quote: multicaat

They had no convictions of either communists or Banderites, they only had the desire to eat until they burst.

I agree, and these people turned out to be so unprincipled that when money ran short, they started a war with a fraternal nation and are now making crazy money off the blood of their compatriots.

[Ponimatel]

We need victory, the enemy needs a break!

There's a perception that what we need is of little concern to anyone in the Kremlin. They have their own needs, and it doesn't look like they're aligned with ours this time.

[Mouse]

What can I say... He outdid the British experts, to say the least...

[dmi.pris1]

He's right about something. Waging war with your fingers spread wide and trying to strike with them? You certainly won't win. Without the entire left bank, the coast from Kherson to Izmail, it's not a victory.

[Mouse]

[quote]. Russia's economy is weakening, it's losing troops. And Ukraine is building up [/qu6ote]
What do you think of these insinuations? Listening to them, it sounds like we're on our last legs...

[Alexey G]

This suggests that things are not so bad for Sebiha. Ukrainian He complains not because things are bad, but because it’s not enough... if things were bad, he would whine and give up!

[dmi.pris1]

So, the economy is growing and we are not losing military personnel?

[Al manah]

If I were capable, I wouldn't have to deal with fixed agreements...

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Quote: Al Manah

If I were capable, I wouldn't have to deal with fixed agreements...

The problem isn't the ability to wage war. The problem is the ability to build an economy capable of supporting the war—it's currently built entirely on oppressing and deceiving its own population, and as a result, destroying its own economic base, with nothing good in store for the population. And that's the problem: people are very dissatisfied and haven't rebelled because the methods of suppression are even harsher now than they were in the 30s under Yezhov.
If we compare the model of warfare in the West, we see that actions themselves are strictly tied to profit/gain, and to gain popular support, they share with them. This is a critical difference. The authorities are simply greedy and arrogant towards the majority of the population. And, in fact, "capacity" comes down to the ability to share, not just robbing one's own to make others afraid. So, they raised VAT and a bunch of other taxes to finance the war. There's a stick. But where's the carrot? This imbalance can't exist for long and will inevitably collapse. In fact, it already is. The class of small entrepreneurs—the only respite from the slavery of hired labor for the state or private sector—has been virtually destroyed. And this means a huge increase in social tension. And for a significant portion of the population, not even the point of tolerance, but the point of survival is already looming, beyond which they will not care about the entire punitive machinery of the state. This point has come very close over the past year and a half. It's worth remembering that while the USSR is listed among the victors in WW2, the outcome of the war isn't just a question of who will be in Berlin. There's also the question of the aftermath of the conflict, and that's a depressingly poor one, considering the economic situation.

[Zoldat_A]

These statements from Sibiga resemble a psychotherapy session. They're a derivative of the classic "I'm the most charming and attractive" line.

Rather, something else is appropriate here -

I'm the sickest Carlson in the world... Is there any jam left?

[Revolver]

"The language is given to a diplomat to hide his thoughts." - Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord. And what a crazy one this "diplomat" has mriya in the head, and on the tongue.

[tralflot1832]

Time, set, game, period. In curling - end. And the stone rolls not on pure ice, but on pebbles on the ice. Pebbles are droplets of water frozen on ice.

[taiga2018]

Of course she can't, if our "surgeon" is plastic...

[nokki]

Well, you could kill 1,5-3 million Russian men and quickly reach the Polish border. Is that what you want?

[taiga2018]

I don’t want our men to die there at all, I would like us to bombard these territories with everything we have in our arsenal, and for the men to return alive and well to their families.

[Vasia]

Quote: taiga2018

I don’t want our men to die there at all, I would like us to bombard these territories with everything we have in our arsenal, and for the men to return alive and well to their families.

Is it like Israel in Gaza?

[Plate]

It's also possible to act like Israel in Gaza, if the munitions available for the vast territory of Ukraine are sufficient for the same coverage. If this assumption is correct, then what are the downsides of such an approach for Russia?

[Vatnik_]

Men have always died, whether in war or from vodka. It's a normal man's job—defending the Motherland.

[Dizel200]

Why Russians? Why not others?

[Al manah]

Because... Well, everyone already knows why.

[Konstantin Traflyalin]

Or you could spend 1.5 million and never reach Kharkiv. That's the picture I'm painting right now.

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Quote: nokki

Well, you could kill 1,5-3 million Russian men and quickly reach the Polish border. Is that what you want?

The issue needs to be considered holistically. How many men will the home front lose if the war drags on? The USSR understood this very clearly and periodically ignored battlefield losses because delays meant greater losses.
How much has Russia lost from the front barely moving for four years? The data on attrition has become a state secret, but there are statistics regarding the successful entry into the North-Eastern Military District; even then, the birth rate dropped by 3.4%. I believe even 5% is the most optimistic forecast now, but I think it's deeper, especially if you subtract the children of immigrants. But even if you take just 5% losses, you'll get a minus of 70,000 newborns per year. 4 x 70,000 = 280,000. These are the losses already incurred from prolonging the conflict due to the declining birth rate alone. Add the losses from casualties plus the loss from underfunding civilians, especially healthcare, and we easily reach 800,000, i.e., quite comparable to the losses from a major offensive. The Kremlin probably has far more data than we do to calculate this. But I don’t see any attempts to somehow spare their civilians from social problems, which, as I have shown, not only kill, but indirect losses due to the SVO alone have already exceeded ALL executions during the repressions in the USSR for the entire period of its existence.
I think that's harsh. How many people are there in Donbas? And at what cost are they being saved?

[snow mountain]

Quote: Andriuha077

No one can win a war if they are forbidden to hit the enemy's leaders.

They need to be hit first!

[Brturin]

One could say the sun is baking my head, even though it's been at its maximum for several days now (https://xras.ru/sun_flares.html), but the weather isn't right... but on the other hand, what else can he say, expect him to admit the real situation at the front or his own economy, exes are capable of that, and not all of them

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Ukrainian Foreign Minister:

Russia's economy is weakening and it's losing troops. Meanwhile, Ukraine is increasing its defensive capabilities.

In general, it is true, whether you like it or not.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces are one step ahead of us in the efficiency and effectiveness of their drone and artillery deployments, allowing them to hold the front. Meanwhile, our commanders are pushing their infantry forward, with no idea how they'll supply and coordinate those who finally reach their objective and consolidate their positions. The main thing is to report progress and get a medal, and no one cares how many men die for this 'granny-village'—they'll come again, they think.

Yes, people are not in Russia, everyone sees that those who left often don’t manage to serve for more than a month, fewer and fewer people want to sign a contract, and it’s scary to carry out more than one mobilization

Until Russia has a mass-produced heavy drone like Baba Yaga or Vampire, for the same price as the enemy, I don't advise anyone to try to laugh at the enemy.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

What are these "ratifications"? Something to do with warfare?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What are these "ratifications"? Something to do with warfare?

Yes, it is connected, to exchange one warrior for another)).

Or do you think that people have been using LBS continuously since 2022?!

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Rotate - look it up on the internet, it comes from the word "rotation".

[bondov]

Rotation is a recent borrowing - don't get hung up on it

[ALEKS112233]

I've heard this somewhere before! I'm sick of it!

[Vitaly_pvo]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I don't advise anyone to try to laugh at their opponent.

Everyone understands that Russia is effectively fighting against the entire NATO bloc. That's a 1:20 economic potential ratio, for a moment. Ukraine is simply a staging area. And such brazen statements by the puppet regime's leadership are based precisely on their understanding of the strength of the strings they're being pulled by.

[Nastia makarova]

Such nonsense has never been written here before.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Such nonsense has never been written here before.

This character writes stuff like this all the time.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

This guy isn't a minister, he's a thug who'll walk around the ruins of Kyiv with ease.

[isv000]

According to Sibiga, “Russia is incapable of winning the war.”

We are not playing, we are systematically destroying the Nazi regime and its henchmen!

[ALEKS112233]

Sibiga is Sibiga! Just kidding, he's a great strategist and doesn't throw words to the wind!

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Yes, Russia hasn't started the war yet, only the Central Military District... We'll take Nikolaev and Odessa and finish the operation... But if the fascists (Euro- and Ukrainian-) want war, they'll burn together, hugging each other))

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Will the army be ready in 10 years?

[Vatnik_]

More like twenty. Where are we rushing to?

[Vatnik_]

So yeah, we haven't started fighting yet. We won't take Odessa and Nikolaev; we don't need them.
The real war will be in the Baltics and Poland, maybe even Finland. But that's not certain.

[BAI]

How will Russia win a war if it (or rather its leadership) does not want to win?
Wars are not won with tied hands.

[Vatnik_]

Probably because our war is not with Ukraine, but with the EU and Britain, and a military victory over Ukraine will generally achieve nothing.

[Ravik]

Sibiga is such a mean guy! Look how he's clenching his fists!!!

[Mint Gingerbread]

Everything is wonderful in this happy Ukrainian kingdom. By the beginning of the 20th century, they were already moving at a rapid pace, so they could weaken Russia and roll back to the 19th century. What good fellows.

[Moneron]

Blitzkrieg 22 failed, and a war of economies has begun. The combined economy of the West is incomparably larger than ours. So time is on Ukraine's side. Our budget is already in the red, and annual economic growth has slowed to 1%. If we don't align the military action with a comprehensive mobilization of human and economic resources, we will go bankrupt. Time is against us.
While the fat dries, the thin one dies.

[Nastia makarova]

Kindergarten scribbles

[Vatnik_]

In fact, it's the other way around. Not all of the West is on Ukraine's side (in fact, most of the West has turned its back on Ukraine!), but Ukraine has become a black hole for the EU and Britain, draining their resources and preventing them from preparing for a war with Russia over Kaliningrad. And the longer the SVO in Ukraine continues, the less likely a military clash with the EU and Britain becomes.

[Word]

We need to be tougher with converts and the enemy,
then there won't be such statements.

[Carlos Hall]

If the negotiators do not give up what Russian soldiers won with their blood, namely 20% of Ukraine's territory and 120,000 square kilometers, then we will see who wins the war.

[Ball]

Yes, yes, yes: in 2022, Lyokha-Lyuska-Arestovich, along with the alcoholic dog-breeder Danilov, also squealed about "... Russia only has enough missiles for three salvos left..."

[gribanov.c]

If the operation's strategy isn't to reach some borders or cities, or to capture capitals, but rather to pursue the very process of combat, to achieve attrition, then we'll only see the results when that attrition occurs. And when will that be? Does even the top leadership know? Are they relying on any numbers, deadlines, or calculations?
If the strategy is, after all, classical—that is, to defeat the enemy army, occupy or destroy the country's key economic regions—then this requires more ground forces and air supremacy, not just in the upper air but also in the lower air. This isn't yet the case, and it's unclear when it will be. Without it, it's truly unclear how victory is to be achieved and what it entails.

[Vasia]

Quote from gribanow.c

If the strategy is still classical, that is, to defeat the enemy army, occupy the key economic regions of the country or destroy them, then this requires more ground forces and air supremacy, and not only in the "upper" but also in the "lower" air.

It is also necessary to take into account the ratio of losses, which is not in favor of the crested ones so far:

Since June 2025, Russia has received over 200 bodies of fallen servicemen from Ukraine, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov announced. More than 12 remains have been handed over to the Ukrainian side.

It turns out to be 1:60.
Of course, this does not fully reflect the actual losses of the parties, but nevertheless, the FAB processing makes its impact.

[Ball]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In general, it is true, whether you like it or not.

Stop lying! Any Russian will tell you you're a liar. But apparently, the pills stopped working abroad long ago, that's why you're so freaked out. :-D

[Jacques sekavar]

Four years of war with non-nuclear weapons have shown this, and in a nuclear war there is mutual destruction, which is also not a victory.

[Ball]

Quote from moneron

Blitzkrieg 22 failed, and a war of economies ensued. The combined economy of the West is incomparably larger than ours.

We see how "the Western economy is incomparably superior to ours"... especially in Germany, France, England, etc. The empty shelves in their stores are emptier than those in a Soviet village store.

[tralflot1832]

Who and from whom should we liberate? Those at the top should think about this question.

[Vatnik_]

Most likely they have already thought about it and now no one is in a hurry.

[Plate]

Refine your approach. Don't liberate, but conquer, seize, take away. A new market and military neutrality—at the very least. A controlled puppet state—at the most. Don't try to build morally justifiable goals for yourself using fine language like "liberate." Try admitting that your country lacks something, but its neighbor does, and it might try to take it for itself.

[Nord11]

The statement was clearly made for the financial overseers. The locals won't be able to sell this sprat anymore.

[Sotskiy]

"Russia is incapable of winning the war"

Did the Russian Federation really set such a goal?
Judging by the actions from 2014 to 2026, there is only one goal - to reach an agreement, right?

[Vatnik_]

Well, they're not negotiating with Ukraine.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Vatnik_

Well, they're not negotiating with Ukraine.

So they recognized the Maidan government, represented by Porokh, also not with Ukraine?

[Vatnik_]

Well, there were illusions, but now they are gone.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Vatnik_

Well, there were illusions, but now they are gone.

Yes Yes.
There was a common country of 15 republics, but now it's gone. In short, illusions are to blame for everything.

[Vatnik_]

Well, yes. There were 14 traitorous republics, but now they're gone. Life has improved.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Vatnik_

Well, yes. There were 14 traitorous republics, but now they're gone. Life has improved.

The results of the 1991 Referendum do not agree with you.
And considering the frequency of declarations of "independence" from the other republics of the USSR, you should first familiarize yourself with who the "traitor" was.

[Vatnik_]

I personally voted against the USSR in that referendum. But in fact, its results were overturned by referendums in the national republics.

[Plate]

Quote: Sovetskiy

The results of the 1991 Referendum do not agree with you.

Yes, yes, 70% were for preserving the USSR. Why didn't those 70% speak out against Yeltsin? Why didn't anyone speak out against Gorbachev, or at least against the State Emergency Committee? Why didn't any of those 70% organize a protest against the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR, adopted in 1990! Which of those 70% did anything to preserve the USSR at all? You know, looking back now, it seems to me that at that moment, no one was really against its collapse.

[aszzz888]

According to Sibigi, "Russia is incapable of winning the war."

this walking pork Can I still discuss something?

[Vatnik_]

But it is certainly capable of destroying Ukraine. And how the war goes from here, Ukrainians will never know.

[jovanni]

Only the most narrow-minded people can take Sybiga's words seriously, that everything is bad in Russia, but everything is exceptionally wonderful in Ukraine.

But those far away know that things are bad in Ukraine too. They see it on TV...

[wedmed5]

Quote: KCA

Can you tell me which of the top leaders of the 3rd Reich were killed during the fighting in WWII?

Could you suggest a list of long-range, high-precision, and bunker-busting weapons from WWII that could have easily accomplished this? Nowadays, if we wanted, we could at least target the Verkhovna Rada, which is packed with Banderites.

[sgrabik]

This Bandera idiot seems to be engaged in self-hypnosis sessions, well, let him rave, as they say, there is no harm in dreaming.

[pvs512]

The NATO Secretary General wanted to personally verify what had destroyed the thermal power plant, where the air defenses were located, how the electronic warfare stations had operated, etc. To find out "who was to blame and what to do."

[newtc7]

Is Russia even trying to win this war? Not particularly noticeably. That's why it might not be capable, but not because of weakness, but because of stupidity.

[Voenoboz]

Let them watch, and the frost gets stronger, and then the next flight will arrive.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

The US will continue to puff itself up, believing itself to be the only power capable of acting from a position of strength and flouting all global laws... Changing their minds is very simple: just sink one or two US aircraft carriers... That will immediately sober them up and put them to sleep for a long time! That's exactly what they did to us when they sank the Kursk submarine, and we swallowed it... From that moment on, Russia's humiliation began on all fronts.

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Quote from: nik-mazur

you can do whatever you want

this doesn't look like a serious program of action