The reason for the decline in the percentage of non-statutory relations in the Russian army

In many military units today video surveillance complexes are being introduced. According to representatives of the Ministry of Defense, video surveillance will minimize the possibility of manifestation of non-statutory relations in the army. Video cameras allow officers on duty to track what is happening in the army barracks. According to some data, namely video surveillance, the systems of which are implemented in Russian military units, made it possible to significantly reduce the indices of hazing, which for many young people is the main army horror story.

However, video surveillance systems are far from the only option to combat non-statutory relations in the Russian army. The very fact that the lengthy conscription service in the Russian army has been reduced to 12-months, strikes whenever possible the manifestation of unsettling. Of course, the development of hazing does not always play a dominant role, but its decline clearly led to a serious decline in the “non-statutory activity” among draftees. If the 2-year-old version of the service, according to the traditions that had been framed for several decades, implied a non-advertised division of conscripts into special categories that are familiar to all who served, today these traditions have largely been violated, which caused a rather powerful blow to hazing.

Another blow to non-statutory relations in the army can be considered permission in many military units to use mobile phones as conscripts. In fact, any soldier can call, for example, the military prosecutor’s office, whose phone today is in each military unit on a special information stand, and report the fact of non-statutory relations. Naturally, in this case, all the reported facts will be carefully checked, since under the guise of a call from a serviceman-conscript, false calls with certain fraudulent purposes can be made.

The use of mobile phones in the army today is widely discussed in Russian society. Many believe that this relief for the soldiers is superfluous, but the soldiers themselves, who serve on conscription today, do not think so. The phone allows the soldier to be in touch with the house at virtually any time off from service, which also makes it easier to carry out military service

Comments

[Lopatov]

The main reason for the "decrease in the percentage of hazing in the Russian army" is the high salaries of officers and, as a result, a much higher percentage of non-statutory hazing. The officer began to lose too much for the fact that he himself uncovers the crimes of his subordinates, and transfers the case to the military prosecutor's office.

Here CCTV does not fix anything, it is necessary to change the system itself.
For normal commanders, relieve them of responsibility for criminal cases instituted on subordinates.
For those who do not fulfill their functions, there is a normal military police with the right to conduct a preliminary investigation, and not subordinate to the command of the unit. Otherwise, the bodies of "military service and security of military service" dealing with this are one of the main tools for concealing crimes

[Dmitry T]

Soon the conscripts will start demanding Coca-Cola. I don’t know, I liked everything in my service, there were, of course, stupid uneducated people, but in general, discipline was at its best, no indulgences, there were no telephones, but of course, there were tons of letters, now there is something to read, remember, very nice ... Hazing is not such a bad phenomenon if it excludes real crimes and actions of a dangerous nature, but it makes it socially harder. reform service seems like a kindergarten, and the guys, not parting with the citizen for a moment, return with the same companions, not to feel all the "charms" of hardship. This is his personal opinion. ps And yes, 1 year is not enough.

[warm]

Quote: Dmitry T

Soon conscripts will begin to demand Coca-Cola.

and what, already in the store to buy nizya?
and they smoke filter cigarettes, not cigarettes! and this, the worst thing - they use the TOILET PAPER, not burdock!

[Svatdevostator]

So that there is no bullying, you need as much practical training as possible, there will be no time to be engaged in foolishness, and officers in the CCA will sit out and spend time with the personnel.

[Lopatov]

Will not help. Checked.

[s1н7т]

This is how to implement. If an officer does this from under a stick, then, of course, it will not help. And when a company is a second home, it helps. Checked. Have we served in different armies?

[Lopatov]

Probably. If you give such a load so that the old-timers barely crawl to the beds, the young simply die.

Young - one pull up for ten, grandfathers - ten for one. You understand, a huge problem.
Young people have to learn the multiplication table, grandfathers perform fire missions for platoon commanders at the graduate level of the military department of the institute

Here is my army. And yours?

[yurta2013]

Hazing morally corrupted not only our army (and fleet), but the entire state system. After all, military service was and is considered an important argument in admission to public service. And what could one expect there from a person with the traditions he has learned of unpunished mockery of people and receiving undeserved benefits at their expense? It is no coincidence that the so-called era of stagnation, with its developed system of cronyism and various scales of theft of state property, was formed almost simultaneously with bullying in the late 60s.

[warm]

or is the main reason - shortening of service life, when "spirits" and "grandfathers" simply do not intersect? plus the availability of mobile phones and even so much explanatory work of bloggers about contacting the military prosecutor's office.
the officers did not become "new", as they have served, they are serving ...

[Lopatov]

Dear, there is a non-statutory person even in fully contract units. There is a non-statutory person in military schools, where units with cadets of different courses are very rare. Those who are better adapted to the service are playing fools - mama's sons, weak, less adapted. Army teams are tough
Reducing the service life does not solve anything. The only cardinal decision is to participate in hostilities. But here the ranking remains. Although excesses with beatings and bullying will not be.

According to the officers from schools come worse prepared to work with personnel. Looks like they dryuchit there. Humanization, push it. You can learn methods of working with personnel only in your own skin.

[warm]

I didn’t understand anything from the stream of consciousness ...

[Lopatov]

Serve, you will understand. Business then.

[yurta2013]

Non-statutory non-statutory strife. Cases of "druchka" of those who are not well suited for service are still not an army tradition, but the usual problems of any youth collective. The shortening of the service life dealt a serious blow to the well-established tradition, although, in my opinion, it is not yet decisive and not final. After all, it seems that the division into spring and autumn sets is still preserved, which means that the division by service life is also preserved. This is the main source of the preservation of bullying, although, I hope, on a more limited scale. As for the officers, those of them who themselves have mastered the traditions of hazing in the school are unlikely to seriously fight against their manifestations among subordinates.

[warm]

Quote: yurta2013

The reduction of the service life inflicted a serious blow precisely on the established tradition, although, in my opinion, it is not yet decisive and not final.

and this is good!

Quote: yurta2013

the division into spring and autumn sets has still been preserved, which means that the division by service life is also preserved. This is the main source of hazing, although, I hope, on a more limited scale.

if earlier it was 1.5 years for the "development of grandfather", now it has decreased to 0.5 years;)

[s.lekomtseff]

Quote: yurta2013

if earlier it was 1.5 years for the "development of grandfather", now it has decreased to 0.5 years;)

this is bad !!!!

[Lopatov]

Quote: yurta2013

As for the officers, those of them who themselves have well mastered the traditions of hazing in the school are unlikely to seriously struggle with their manifestations among subordinates.

Even if hazing brings them tangible problems?

[s1н7т]

Quote: Spade

You can learn methods of working with personnel only in your own skin.

Gee! "Checked - min no"
After urgent, it is somehow easier to separate the grains from the chaff, of course.
In the school, they could only "screw up" until the person "joined" in the service, then - rebuff. Usually the first semester. But there was, as it were, an arbiter - the training platoon / group, who could say - stop if an inflection occurs. So it was with us, in any case. There were problems with the senior courses, of course, but here the herd instinct was already working - the whole company rose. The incident was extinguished quickly. "World", that-syo, the question was exhausted. And - punishment, until exclusion. Some kind of you one-sidedly evil, Lopatov After graduation, I was simply confident in the officer brotherhood. Of course, over time I "grew wiser", but here it is - what you confess is what you get. It is clear that the people are different, there is also "horrible", but the rest who hear you, they get infected, eh?

[Lopatov]

Quote: c1n7

There were problems with senior courses, of course, but the herd instinct was already working here - the whole company was rising.

Et know. Our battery piled on the second year immediately after KMB. For 5 spoons and three plates of stainless steel. I still remember.

Quote: c1n7

In the school, they could only "screw up" until the person "joins" the service, then - rebuff.

Someone like. In our platoon, this stopped at the very first agricultural work. A strong-willed decision for a mug. They did not touch them themselves, and they did not give "steepness" from other platoons.
The rest, in different ways. In the fourth platoon, a gop-company with a castle at the head of their castle was drilled until the end of the third, until they were scattered across other platoons.

Quote: c1n7

After graduation, I was just sure of the officer fraternity.

Brotherhood? It is. Between each other you can arrange graters as you like. But when an external force appears ... I don’t know, I have never come across a service. Is that a date, but no one considered it as his.

[s1н7т]

Hmm. At other times he was an investigator in the unit. At the command of the commander, he conducted inquiries on the state of emergency - injuries, gunshot wounds, etc. The commander signed, sent to the prosecutor. And I NEVER wrapped any material! There was a case when the prosecutor's office clarified - Are you sure that the case needs to be launched? He answered - yes, I do not need rot. And no one asked him for this - he recorded it himself, investigated it himself, took action - transferred it to the prosecutor's office. That is, there was a real "king, god and military commander." And so it should be, in my opinion. Otherwise he is nobody. As long as people serve in the army, simple algorithms will not work. It would be necessary to return it as it was, but where to get those commanders now is a question, of course. And video, etc., is chukhnya, for much happens outside the barracks, for example. Military police are like Chubais Nanotech

[Lopatov]

Quote: c1n7

The commander signed, sent to the prosecutor.

Iron eggs. They have never come across such.

[svp67]

The use of mobile phones in the army today is widely discussed in Russian society.

This is not an idle question, since there is a certain specificity of the army service, which implies the secrecy of some actions and information. for which, probably, it was necessary to collect all recruits for half a year in some "training centers of the 1st level", which will be created in every region, where the possibility of communication on mobile telephones should be great. After graduation from the training unit, the conscript, based on the results of his assessment, will be offered to either undergo training in any "educational center of the 2nd level" as a specialist or to serve in any support unit, where the issue of communication will be clearly regulated ... With such a system, the reasons for "bullying" will be much less.

[Goodmen]

Cool! Another delirium of "ass-heads".
If you want from .. to - from ..! And the cameras will not help!
The presence of hazing or its absence depends on personal qualities and an adequate attitude to the duties of the officer corps of the unit. Maybe you need to give more authority to the officers? At the very least, do not imprison them for maintaining order in the entrusted units in ways that scumbags only understand. There were cases when our officers were closed for stuffed Caucasian muzzles.
And bullying in its normal manifestation is better than statism.

[Kolovrat77]

I support. Competent hazing is an order. Everyone knows everything, everyone knows how.

[Vrungel78]

Competent hazing is coaching.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Vrungel78

Competent hazing is coaching.

I totally agree.
Deficiency in this regard - succession is lost among the rank and file.
Inflection is an irregularity.

Now, as with diapers, they enter the army, so they go to them. Not a service but hell knows what.
I already wrote what those who still serve tell: mechanic-drivers of tanks, as such, are not among conscripts now. There are drivers who know how to press pedals and sincerely believe that representatives of the plant should fill in the solarium and change the oil.
And there was a case when a modern "soldier" (clearly not a fighter), wrinkling his nose, refused to eat cabbage soup. Do you know why? Because there was fried onion, and he doesn't like it! How.
Himself would be annoyed with all zeal.

We always have extremes, namely extremes: either complete crap or the greenhouse of the institution of noble maidens.

[yurta2013]

Don't exaggerate. Most of the conscripts now know how to fill in diesel fuel and change the oil even before service. The main purpose of military service in peacetime is to passably train the reserve for the deployment of the army in case of war. It is quite possible to learn this in a year, subject to sufficiently intensive combat training. At the same time, a soldier does not have to master the "art" of eating cabbage soup there. As for continuity, it is better to destroy such a “continuity” as hazing once and for all.

[JIaIIoTb]

When a young replenishment came to our unit, it was all attached to grandfathers (mentors). Grandfather was responsible for his education and health, both physical and psychological. Not any inconsistency in the broad sense of the word was not. Each grandfather was well aware of what would happen to him if young people suffer from unregulatedness.
Sincerely.

[Vrungel78]

Quote: Goodmen

There were cases when our officers were closed for stuffed Caucasian muzzles.

They didn’t close me, but there was a condition. He took cattle cutlets from his call (I commanded a training company in training), sniffed glue, which I came across. Took off his pants and walked off the bare ass with a belt. The judge then neighing.

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Goodmen

And bullying in its normal manifestation is better than statistism

Definitely ++++.
And then, what kind of warrior is he who is afraid of his colleagues ???
It is necessary to fight with bespredelom in the army, and not with hazing ....

[yurta2013]

Hazing in its purest form is chaos. A few exceptions only confirm the rule.

[yurta2013]

Real combat readiness is ensured by regulations, and not by hazing, which only undermines it. The hazing itself could and can exist only because of the connivance of the immediate commanders - junior officers and warrant officers, who, in most cases, encourage it. The reason is that you don't need to work on educating young soldiers yourself. The "grandfathers" will do everything. This is the source of bullying. It is no coincidence that its appearance followed shortly after the mass dismissal of the most experienced officer and super-senior senior officers from the Soviet army in the late 50s or early 60s. (I do not remember exactly). There was no one to work with young people in the unit itself, and young officers withdrew from this problem.

[Larus]

You won’t put cameras everywhere, but a lot depends on the commander how he puts the work with l / s, etc.

[Nayhas]

Idiocy multiplied by corruption. Until fellow officers want to work, nothing will change.

[waisson]

what hazing for a year of service they there that from a nursery group to a preschool got over how they left the army for a year with milk on their lips and diapers in their pants and come back. divorced kindergarten committees, etc. and the phone is a godsend for a spy

[warm]

Quote: waisson

and the phone is a godsend for the spy

poor Americans, they have a soldier running with Ifon, all the secrets are no longer secrets!

[fenix57]

Quote: svp67

This question is really not idle, since there is a certain specificity of the army service, implying the secrecy of certain actions and information.

This "cornerstone", and video surveillance ... and who is behind the remote control ...?
Maybe everything depends on the "SALAG, SKEREPOV, NEGROV" itself, etc. Maybe you need to start with this ... You don't need to develop, A ...? ...

[SHOCK.]

Quote: Goodmen

And bullying in its normal manifestation is better than statism.

Put +, although I do not agree with this.

[Asgard]

1986 Maynas brought 11 people to the military unit, all 18 years old. Growth 190, junior athletes))) I had the rank of master of sports in skiing, someone had sambo, biathlon ... a month passed in quarantine like one day, wiped my heels with footcloths to bloody corns, taught me how to sew, clean my boots with wax)) ) smelling foul (then the truth already liked the smell)) took the oath to the companies ...
Friday evening, we were assembled by old-timers in the washroom (where the military are washing)) well, they make a showdown)) they threw us the collars and socks (the thieves wore them)) and ordered to wash ....
Well, we essno refused. They should wash their own mall))) Since I was an informal center for beginners, they tried to put me off my feet, knocking my kneecap with my boot .... in vain they certainly did so)))
I jumped over))) grabbing a chair, I immediately put two people down ... Shouting to hold the door, the rest also began to knead the "grandfathers" by the way, the same strong guys turned out to be (then we became friends))) but the result was such grandfathers and sympathizers were utterly smashed (which means tactics))) in the number of 23 people, 12 more fled from the location of the company))) ribs were broken, faces were broken, one eye was injured ...
The unit duty officer came running (with a pistol)) even fired a warning shot)) and all of us "newcomers" were taken to the lip .... Saturday and Sunday were spent there - this was the end of the first month of service)))
On Monday, the Chief of Staff, regiment of Khludeev (low bow to him)) led us to the battalion formation and ordered everyone to do so ALWAYS. since YOU ARE WARRIORS ....
And I never again participated in hazing. what kind of blood was given to the leadership of the unit, I later found out ... but in the unit the instigator completely disappeared. I was appropriated somewhere in a month younger, after a year of service according to the results of check gave the foreman.
It all depends on the people, and specifically on you and me.
our desire to humiliate and endure ....
do not tolerate.

[Retx]

Quote: Asgard

DO ALWAYS SO. since YOU ARE WARRIORS ....

Golden words

[seller trucks]

I read somewhere that the notorious, in the future, Lieutenant Schmidt, at the school led an uprising against senior students who mocked junior courses, this is also to the fact that the problem of hazing has been rooted in the times of Tsarist Russia.

[DmitriRazumov]

Quote: seller trucks

that the problem of hazing has been rooted in Tsarist Russia.

In any normal male collective, hierarchical relations always exist. In the army, this is called hazing. It is important that hazing does not cross certain boundaries and locks up at the level of training young service skills. Here, of course, the role of officers is especially great. And they should not be punished for identifying crimes in their own units.

[Asgard]

The most important thing is not to be afraid of yourself, but you will always be supported, including at the very top. Act in good conscience. Big bosses have a conscience. If you are desperate and courageous, a army is going to be behind your shoulders, out of courage, like-minded people, luck, luck, Gods and Angels .... and never back down, our business is Right ...

And Us Rat)))))

[yurta2013]

Much depends on the position of the immediate superiors - officers and warrant officers. If they encourage hazing, then any rebellion against it is useless (I know from experience).

[yurta2013]

In officer and cadet schools, yes, but not among the soldiers. In the tradition of the Russian pre-revolutionary army, there was an institution of fraternity, that is, fellow countrymen formed their own circle within the unit, in which all everyday problems were solved. Even fellow countrymen sat at the same table. Of course, senior and junior services were distinguished by the year, but the relations between them were quite friendly. Under hazing, the army is split into several categories, each of which hates the other.

[Lopatov]

Quote: yurta2013

In officer and cadet schools, yes, but not among the soldiers.

I agree. It's just that among the soldiers this "mentoring" was legalized. Therefore, hazing was not considered a relationship.

[someone]

Since I was an informal center for beginners, they tried to put me off my feet, knocking my kneecap out with my boot ....

Dear Asgard, what if the balance of power was not in your favor, and the "grandfathers" managed to knock out your kneecap? And put all your resistance in the washroom? You would be a different person now. Thank fate for not being alone. But your case is rather an exception. For the most part, the situation is for the worse.
It is a pity that it took a "mini-fight" in the "washroom" to normalize the situation.
In our country, as always, until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself.

[SHOCK.]

Now who killed or whom the hero was smeared off, and earlier it was a shame. Everything was turned upside down.

[warm]

Quote: Sh.O.K.

Everything is upside down.

so why mow something? probably from the fact that the army was better than a civilian for the past 20 years, health there, food, education, discipline ...

[Lopatov]

The army is safer than the civilian.

[treskoed]

I suppose that now it is no longer hazing in the troops, but some kind of grouping, according to community, ethnicity ... If the Caucasians are in the majority in the barracks, they also order the "music", regardless of the service life.

[SHOCK.]

Quote: treskoed

I suppose that now it is no longer hazing in the troops, but some kind of grouping, according to community, ethnicity ... If the Caucasians are in the majority in the barracks, they also order the "music", regardless of the service life.

Well, it was the same in S.A., but after all they served and did not cry without mobile phones, committees, etc. Who said that there should be a resort in the army.

[USNik]

Another blow to the hazing in the army can be considered permission in many military units to use mobile phones by conscripts.

And the fact that even the simplest phones have cameras is taken into account by the charter? I would not like to watch videos in the top of the pipe with names like "drift on t72 between a barrel with a kiroshin and boxes with a shell! 1 !! 1111 !!" ...

[night1313]

The soldier should be constantly busy, preferably studying, then there will be no graduation.

[warm]

Quote: tun1313

The soldier must be constantly busy.

Well, yes, well ... she understands nothing but the mat ... and even the crowbar will break ...

[Andrew-001]

You laugh in vain. Sometimes everything is just as you say.

[warm]

so I don’t laugh - if the boss is bastard, then the subordinates are the same. and the best indicator of the work of such a boss is painted grass, sweeping the parade ground with a crowbar, beating off cantiks ... and three cartridges shot by a soldier in 2 years of service ...

[Andrew-001]

The chief is not born a "cattle" - he becomes one after many years of communication with "fighters" who have not managed to either run away or cut off from the army. With a half-wit who somehow finished 11 classes and thundered against his will into the army, it is difficult to talk normally, and sometimes it is not possible. He perceives normal words as weakness of the authorities.
And where the personnel are normal - there is no such problem, at least so sharply.

[warm]

Quote: Andrew-001

The chief is not born a "cattle" - he becomes one after many years of communication with "fighters" who have not managed to either run away or kill the army.

man always remains human ...
and many are looking for reasons - and the soldiers are all fools, and "his grenades are of the wrong system!"

Quote: Andrew-001

With a fool somehow finished 11 classes

it's hard to call a half-fool who finished 11 classes ...
what can we say about those who graduated from 8 classes and vocational schools?

Quote: Andrew-001

rattled against his will in the army, it’s hard to talk normally, and sometimes it’s not possible.

he who wants - he seeks ways; he who does not want - seeks reasons ...

Quote: Andrew-001

He perceives normal words as the weakness of his superiors.

need to work like that, no?
but in the USSR and the Russian Federation it won’t reach for a long time that the commander of over fifty teenagers MUST have a pedagogical education. that a fresh leiteha MUST undergo an internship to work with personnel at the instructor, gain experience under the supervision of senior officers.

Quote: Andrew-001

And where the personnel are normal - there is no such problem, at least so sharply.

and who is this personnel "educating"?
read the "company commander's notes" - after all, people work, they don't cry about bad people:
http://artofwar.ru/p/parshikow_i_j/index_6.shtml

[Andrew-001]

Quote: iliq

man always remains human

Conditions mean a lot in the development of a person’s personality.

Quote: iliq

it’s hard to call a half-fool who finished 11 classes

Easy - talk to those of them who graduated from high school, but couldn’t go to college.

Quote: iliq

whoever wants is seeking ways

и

Quote: iliq

need to work like that

The best way - to drive the right information - quickly and efficiently, time-tested.

Quote: iliq

commander of over fifty teenagers MUST have a teacher education

I agree 100% with this, but one clarification - 18-27 years old - these are not teenagers anymore - these are adults.

Quote: iliq

and who is bringing up this personnel

First of all, the family and the closest associates, then school, and a man with an already formed upbringing enters the army.

[warm]

Quote: Andrew-001

Easy - talk to those of them who graduated from high school, but couldn’t go to college.

I communicate normally ...

Quote: Andrew-001

The best way - to drive the right information - quickly and efficiently, time-tested.

just in time something else has been tested - and we see the result: the officers simply do not have knowledge of the relevant subject and are not able to convey what they know to the soldiers ... and cover it up with excuses like "stupid soldier", "drive in knowledge."

Quote: Andrew-001

18-27 years old are not teenagers anymore - they are adults.

don't you find yourself contradicting yourself? or isn’t you talking about 11th grade

Quote: Andrew-001

First of all, the family and the closest associates, then school, and a man with an already formed upbringing enters the army.

come on, drop it!
"Notes of the company commander" I gave the link - everything is very well and intelligibly painted.

[Lopatov]

Quote: iliq

but in the USSR and the Russian Federation it won’t reach for a long time that the commander of over fifty teenagers MUST have a pedagogical education

There is total ignorance of the subject of discussion. The fact is that both in the USSR and in Russia, every cadet of a military school studied, is studying, and will continue to study military psychology and pedagogy.
Both in the USSR and in Russia, each cadet undergoes an internship in the troops

[warm]

Quote: Spade

The fact is that both in the USSR and in Russia, every cadet of a military school studied, is studying, and will continue to study military psychology and pedagogy.

the result of this "training" we see in reality ... filkin literacy.

Quote: Spade

Both in the USSR and in Russia, each cadet undergoes an internship in the troops

and this "internship" was seen and felt more than once
and then there is Vine "stupid saldat", "parents must educate" and other excuses.

[gremlin1977]

I would tell you non-literary, but I will explain it. I went to serve in the army myself. I myself chose a kind of military. Result: 2 trips to the training ground, 12 rounds each shot, ran 1 km., Ate, dumped into the barracks. All combat training for service. departure to the polygon which were expected as mana from heaven and more than one case of hazing, then with blunt sweeping of parade grounds, painting fences and curbs, carrying unnecessary outfits (absolutely idiotic, for example, a guard at the flag, 2 hours of standing under video surveillance cameras in a closed building? Why? Just don’t talk about honor and pride.!) A non-statutory person pops up in all its glory precisely with the connivance and more often with the tacit consent of officers who do not want to work and communicate with the soldiers (well, at least there were exceptions). And the composition was normal, as someone writes "". Probably you were born the very one you call names to the rank and file who are then sent to slaughter, calling it heroism.

[Lopatov]

Eka you are lucky. My shot three times a week. Apart from occupations in the main specialty. And at the same time, they cleaned the territory, painted the borders with cement milk, and stood in guard-dresses. And they ran ... Like horses.
I think they would be very envious of you.

About the officers. The hematoma on the lower leg "cost" in my time three cans of paint and a pack of electrodes. I mean, cover-up. If it goes through the channels to the division, about 5 times more expensive, they will deprive everything.
Do you think officers need it?

[TSOOBER]

about your comment about surveillance cameras, in military unit 1235 they were installed everywhere smoking room with washbasins toilet above the "bedside table" dryer-hazing died like a dinosaur (everything is written in hardy behind the monitor assistant on duty)! But this so to speak good thing has the reverse side - the part was "tightened" so not to breathe (after all, it was not for nothing that during my service, the "old men" asked one question - will we be according to the charter or according to the hazing? do the foolishness and chose hazing-zat ,,,, according to the charter, you can worse!)

[Lopatov]

That’s all nonsense. If soldiers serve in the unit. who cannot deceive video surveillance and shove their colleague in the teeth, the officers need to be driven out of the army — tactical training is badly delivered.

[TSOOBER]

if you set yourself the goal of deceiving the video surveillance system, then of course you can find a solution (who would argue) but the conversation is not about that, I wrote about how we eradicated bullying as a mass phenomenon (isolated cases will clearly slip through) and responsibility cannot be avoided, everything is written! composition for bruises and bruises on suspicion, interrogation of a soldier, watching a video and making a decision (I don’t know how it is with you in Russia, but here in Belarus for "hitting the teeth" the military prosecutor's office jails to the maximum, the visiting court in the club all the unused cash composition of the unit at the meeting the announcement of the verdict and the maximum possible term)!

[TSOOBER]

can be more detailed the part number and type of troops (I Belarus)

[crambol]

Many They believe that this relief for the soldiers is superfluous, but the soldiers themselves, who are on conscription service today, do not think so.

These MANY are those who have the most hazing in their units.

[Anti]

The vicious practice of punishing officers should be abolished because of the hazing between soldiers. And they will not hide, but rather do what they should. According to the Charter.

[Vtel]

In a number of military units, officers use hazing as a management method, because they do not want to engage in training young people, as well as educational work. And all sorts of cameras - toys for children. It is necessary to change the system, conduct moral, educational and patriotic work. A lot of things depend on the officers. There was no hazing during the war, but on the contrary, the old-timers helped the young, because it is better to have a friend in battle than a bullet in the back.

[Lopatov]

It's a bullshit. Nobody uses bullying as a management method because the potential "overhead" is too great.

[dmb]

Are we going to install cameras in the toilet too? Or do you naively believe that the idiots who shoot the scuffle on a mobile phone and post it on the Web do not understand what they are doing? Of all the methods of dealing with non-regulation, the most "sawing" one is chosen, and the least effective one. Even a fully contract army will not solve the problem radically. Example of VVUZ. Is there no massacre there? But the team there is more united in terms of goals and education and physical training. We have already tried to create subunits of the same draft term, this did not give an effective result, but combat readiness decreased. The reasons are clear, an officer cannot fully transfer skills without the participation of more experienced soldiers in this transfer. But with the responsibility of officers, the question is much more complicated. It has already been written three hundred times on paper that responsibility must be personal. In our country, they act according to the principle, the commander is responsible for everything. Alternatively, the normative consolidation of the fact that the punishment of an officer for a crime committed by subordinates should follow only after a decision has been made on the case by law enforcement agencies, on the basis of their reasoned opinion. Undoubtedly, after the unbridled "liberalization", it is necessary to toughen the punishment and return the disciplinary arrest. And of course, you can put cameras.

[individual]

Served urgently in the 68-70s of the last century. The conscripts, as now, were from workers and peasants. Most of them went to serve with enthusiasm, armed with the idea of ​​defending the Motherland. There was hazing, but only for the period of the Army reform (to serve from 3 years for a period of 2 years). The grandfathers were respected, and those treated us indifferently, realizing that we are just a replacement for them. The conscripts of my generation did not know alcohol, drugs, debauchery. In civilian life, they ate enough high-calorie healthy food. There was no progressive division between rich and poor. The school instilled in physical education and sports in groups and talents. Remember rhythm, aerobics, we went to gyms, secondary schools with our parents. In life, there really was a motto "Mom, Dad, I am a sports family." We came to the ranks of the Soviet army as strong guys capable of standing up for ourselves. After the collapse of the USSR, the very system of social life, everyday life, and culture collapsed. I became a "scoop" by definition of new masters of life. The impoverishment of working people led in the dawn of the democratic 90-00s to a sharp decrease in the tone of the hard worker, which influenced and still affects the physical component of the potential spawn. At their expense, city glamor accelerators and "swamp" activists, ignoring the call and advocating a contract army, arose. And we and our grandchildren will serve.

[Old warrior]

I always wondered: how can a warrior defend his homeland if he cannot defend himself?

[warm]

a counter question - does the Motherland protect those who cannot defend themselves? Or are you a superman and do one against three every day?

[VohaAhov]

The use of mobile phones in the army today is widely discussed in Russian society. Many believe that this relief for the soldiers is superfluous, but the soldiers themselves, who serve on conscription today, do not think so. The phone allows the soldier to be in touch with the house at virtually any time off from service, which also makes it easier to carry out military service
And the author has never tried to conduct classes, for example, according to drill, with the personnel of soldiers with mobile phones. When almost every minute the phone rings and distracts the leader. It comes to the point that you take the phone from the fighter, he accidentally drops out of his hands and falls on the parade ground, then again, by accident, you step on him three or four times. Only after this, the calls stop. In the morning, the officer conducts classes with the fighters, and in the evening all this can be seen on YouTube.
I am not against mobile phones - a thing is necessary for a fighter, but it reaches the point of absurdity.

[warm]

Quote: VohaAhov

And the author has never tried to conduct classes, for example, according to drill, with the personnel of soldiers with mobile phones.

if you don’t have enough brains, we use the experience of senior comrades: phones are collected in the locker room and issued only for the weekend.

Quote: VohaAhov

I am not against mobile phones - a thing is necessary for a fighter, but it reaches the point of absurdity.

"Officer" is not able to solve such a trifle?

[elmir15]

My opinion is that the service life of 1 year is not enough! for such a short period of time it is impossible to prepare a normal specialist soldier. Contractors can’t fill this gap because they need a lot, and the state doesn’t have much money.

[yurta2013]

One year is not enough only while maintaining the long-standing practice of combat training in our army, when a soldier performs the vast majority of his service with anything but combat training. With a normal training system, one year is enough.

[darksoul]

The logic of thinking needs to be changed, but video surveillance ..... a DVR with hdd without any backup means, as usual, is done cheaply ... you can cut it or clean it

[yurta2013]

I wonder how you are going to change the logic of thinking of all military personnel. To do this, you must first introduce in our schools the study of logic itself, about which even students today have a vague idea.

[TSOOBER]

And who is stopping the system engineers (DVRs) from sealing and checking the security of the seals (seal from the unit commander) upon delivery of the order! The seal is broken and all emergency! And the administrator code is only from the unit commander and the civil service specialist!

[cyclist]

it is necessary to prepare for military service, so that well-trained athletically trained fighters go to the army, sport tempers character! I would add hand-to-hand combat exercises on my own, so that the conscript could stand up for himself, but apparently it’s easier to put the cameras on the manual, the next step is to introduce a chip under the skin of each