What happened in China? Xi Jinping won.

"There are no untouchables" is the conclusion reached by those closely monitoring events in China. However, the events that have attracted attention, coupled with reports from the field and other perspectives, force one to consider what is really happening in China's neighboring countries.

It's worth considering both versions, since they could indeed happen. The outcome will be virtually the same for both participants, so they won't care, as they say, but from our perspective, we can draw some surprising conclusions.

So, version one: the thief should be in prison

It all started when official sources in China (I read it in Xinhua and Jiefangjun Ribao) announced the launch of an investigation into two high-ranking military officials, Zhang Yuxia and Liu Zhenli, suspected of serious violations of discipline and the law.

Zhang is a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and vice chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC). Liu is a member of the CMC and chief of staff of the Joint Staff of the CMC. The PLA has a somewhat different structure than ours, but it's clear that this is the highest level of the general staff, as the CMC controls not only the PLA but also the people's militia and the people's armed forces.

The decision by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China to investigate Zhang and Liu demonstrated that in China's fight against corruption, there are no no-go areas, no shortcomings, and no "untouchables."

It should be noted right away that Zhang Yuxia, whom we will analyze below, is not just a general who held the highest position. The fact is that in the last century, two men were very close friends: Zhang Zongxiong, one of the first "Red" Chinese generals who contributed greatly to the creation of the PLA, and the military-party functionary Xi Zhongxun, whose name is even inscribed in history China so that it will be difficult to erase.

You already understood that these were the fathers of Xi Jinping and Zhang Youxia, so this imposes certain markers on the entire subsequent history.

The fight against corruption in China (especially in the military) has long been viewed as a "difficult, protracted, and comprehensive campaign." The CCP declares that anyone involved in corruption, regardless of who they are or what position they hold, will be punished without leniency.

According to the official version, Zhang and Liu, as high-ranking party and military officials, grossly abused the trust placed in them by the CPC Central Committee and the State Military Commission, and seriously violated and undermined the system of absolute responsibility resting on the Chairman of the State Military Commission.

Zhang and Liu have exacerbated the political and corruption problems that threaten the Party's absolute leadership in the armed forces and undermine the foundations of Party governance. They have seriously undermined the image and authority of the Central Military Commission leadership, seriously damaged efforts to strengthen political loyalty in the military, the political environment within the military, and overall combat readiness, which has had a serious negative impact on the Party, the country, and the military.

The accusations are more than serious, although they lack some specifics. But this is someone else's monastery, and it's not for us to dictate the terms.

Under the firm leadership of the Party Central Committee led by Xi Jinping, the PLA will resolutely combat all forms of inaction and corruption and will always remain a heroic army that the Party and the people can fully trust and rely on, the PLA Daily reported.

The military must unite more closely around the Party Central Committee led by Xi Jinping, implement a system of absolute responsibility vested in the Chairman of the Central Military Commission, and accelerate the building of a world-class army.

So, the direction is clear. Now it's time to look at the defendants in the case in terms of their track records.

Zhang Yuxia

Year of birth: 1950.

Chief of the General Directorate of Armaments and Military Equipment of the PLA, member of the Central Military Commission of the CPC Central Committee, member of the Central Military Commission of the PRC, Colonel General.

The son of one of the first PLA generals during the civil war, Zhang Zongxun, he is presumably one of the generals closest to Xi Jinping in the Central Military Commission (their fathers served together, as mentioned above, in the 40s). Despite family ties, Zhang Youxia independently rose through the ranks of the military, from private to general. He is one of the few military officials who participated in the Sino-Vietnamese border conflict of 1984.

Career path:

1984–2000 — 13th Army of the PLA; Deputy Commander; Major General

2000–2005 — 13th Army of the PLA; Commander; Major General

2005–2007 — Beijing Military Region; Deputy Commander; Major General

2007–2012 — Shenyang Military Region; Commander; Lieutenant General

2012–present — Chief of the General Administration of Armaments and Military Equipment of the PLA. Member of the Central Military Commission of the CPC Central Committee and the Central Military Commission of the PRC.

An important figure? That's hardly the word. The Central Military Commission is the body through which the Communist Party of China controls the People's Liberation Army. Its chairman is Xi Jinping, and the vice chairmen of the Central Military Commission (two to six, approved by the National People's Congress) are the people who make key military decisions.

It is through this body that senior command appointments, army structure reforms, and strategic priorities are determined. Moreover, in wartime, the Central Military Council, in terms of its level of responsibility and task management, is quite comparable to the State Defense Committee (GKO), the State Defense Committee during the Great Patriotic War.

Zhang Youxia was China's second-in-command after Xi Jinping. The press outside China described him as a champion of military reform and a figure who ensured the stability of the chain of command.

China experts emphasize that Xi Jinping expended considerable energy on changing the military's command system itself, building a new vertical. This system particularly valued generals like Zhang and Liu, who combined administrative and combat experience, a willingness to implement reforms, and, naturally, absolute loyalty.

Zhang played a special role; in the West, he was generally perceived as "Xi's man" and nothing else. It was he and a very small circle of military leaders who ensured stability and control over the army while the previous system of collegial control was being abolished and a new one was being established. Zhang was responsible for the most sensitive aspects of the modernization of the PLA's command system, and by all accounts, he succeeded in his task.

It seems the investigation into Zhang Yuxia is particularly revealing. This isn't just a personnel decision, but a demonstration of the principle that no one is untouchable. And long-standing closeness to the leader, far from guaranteeing immunity, actually exacerbates matters if the suspect is suspected of crimes.

But casting a shadow on a leader is one thing, but to stop being loyal... However, let's not rush into it.

Liu Zhenli

Year of birth: 1964.

Chief of the Joint Staff of the Central Military Commission of China since September 2022, Colonel General.

Commander of the PLA Ground Forces from June 2021 to September 2022, having previously served as Chief of Staff of the PLA Ground Forces. He is a member of the 19th CPC Central Committee and a deputy of the 12th National People's Congress. He is China's youngest colonel general, having risen from private to major general in 27 years since 1983, and from major general (December 2010) to colonel general in 11 years. He is a participant in the Sino-Vietnamese border conflicts.

From 1986 to 1987, he served in combat operations against Vietnam as part of the 27th Army of the Beijing Military Region. The company he led held the front line at Laoshan for over a year and repelled 36 enemy attacks. The leadership skills he demonstrated during this period laid the foundation for his subsequent rapid promotion to senior commander.

Liu Zhenli became the youngest commander of a combined arms army and the youngest deputy head of a military region.

In July 2015, Liu Zhenli became Chief of Staff of the People's Armed Police Force (until December of that year). He then became Chief of Staff of the Ground Forces. In 2016, Liu also became the youngest lieutenant general.

It was considered likely that he would become a member of the Politburo of the CPC Central Committee after the 20th Party Congress.

Liu Zhenli is less well-known to the general public, but that doesn't mean his role in the PLA was any less significant. He headed the Joint Staff of the Central Military Commission, the body responsible for operational planning, coordination of the branches of the armed forces, and the day-to-day management of the armed forces. Decisions made at the Joint Staff directly impact the army's combat readiness, not just strategically, but on a daily, immediate basis.

Surprisingly, the biographies of these generals are somewhat similar. They are servicemen, combat veterans, not just at headquarters, but on the front lines. The top ranks of the generals are, in principle, higher than their positions only than Xi Jinping's.

What was there to wish for? Well, apparently there were some goals and objectives, the fulfillment of which prompted the Chinese generals to commit "serious disciplinary violations and violations of the law." Typically, in China, such language is used to refer to corruption.

And here our story diverges into two directions.

The first is the corruption thread, which alleges that the generals went completely overboard in terms of material benefits. Everyone understands this perfectly well: houses of 1,500 square meters with saunas, swimming pools, fireplaces, billiard rooms, and other amenities won't build themselves.

The Chinese Criminal Code, in its articles on corruption (382, 383, 385, 386), provides for sentences ranging from seven years to the death penalty, depending on how deeply the government's coffers were plundered. Any fine exceeding 1,000,000 yuan (incidentally, just $144,000 or 11,000,000 rubles) is punishable by life imprisonment or the death penalty. After the confiscations of Russian officials, large sums of cash are in their possession, and considering the execution in China, this looks ominous.

Naturally, there is no information yet on how deep the generals' guilt in yuan is.

There's also no understanding of the extent of the purges within the PLA. They've been ongoing for several years, and quite actively. Since 2022, Wei Fenghe and Li Shangfu, two former ministers of national defense, have been stripped of all ranks, expelled from the party, and imprisoned. In 2023, the Xinhua News Agency published a list of more than 130 military personnel who were subject to various investigations.

This also includes the arrest of He Weidong, one of Xi Jinping's two deputies in the Central Military Commission, in 2025. After that, the military came under the control of another deputy, Zhang Youxia.

And here the second version begins

True, the main flow of information comes not from Chinese (or masquerading as Chinese) sources, but from the well-known The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post, which reported on an alleged attempted military coup in China against Xi Jinping involving senior PLA officers.

Behind the senior officers stood Xi's party comrades, but the problem was that these comrades were not entirely supportive of Xi Jingping's policies, which had somewhat changed China's political system. Since Mao Zedong's death in 1976, the presidents of the People's Republic of China had been elected every five years, and each person served no more than two terms.

Xi Jinping lifted this restriction, which angered China's "old communists." They claimed that Xi had not only consolidated power by occupying the three highest positions in the state—PRC President, General Secretary of the CPC Central Committee, and Chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC)—but also taken steps to ensure his continued power.

This didn't sit well with many politicians in China, especially among the "old communists." But Xi was already ruling with a strict stance by then, and the majority of those dissatisfied... No, there were no executions; party members were sent to state-run rest homes for a "well-deserved rest."

Overall, although state power in China appears monolithic, there's clear evidence that there are factions, behind-the-scenes struggles, and plenty of people dreaming of the highest positions in the world's most powerful country. Therefore, one can conclude that there are those in China who believe they are more worthy of leading China than Xi Jinping.

And in this environment, there were certainly those who secretly dreamed of removing the unsinkable Chinese leader from the helm. That is, one cannot completely rule out the possibility that a coup could theoretically occur in China.

Indian Eurasia Times on its social media:

According to some Beijing government officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, General Liu Zhenli, who served as Chief of the PLA General Staff, and Lieutenant General Zhang Youxia, Vice Chairman of the Central Military Commission and childhood friend of President Xi Jinping, intended, with the support of a group of officers, to arrest the Chinese leader while he was vacationing at the government-run Jinxi Hotel in Beijing. But a traitor was discovered in their ranks, and President Xi not only evaded arrest but also struck back first.

Nothing special, such coups happened both in China itself and in the USSR (Khrushchev and Gorbachev), and we won’t even mention Latin American countries.

So, could the disgraced generals have been disloyal to Chinese President Xi Jinping, who heads the Central Military Commission? They could have. Could they have been plotting a coup? Could they have "shared" information about China's nuclear potential with the US? They certainly could have.

The theories agree that the arrests of Zhang and Liu will likely trigger further brutal purges within the military and among Chairman Xi's inner circle.

Officially, what's happening fits into the anti-corruption campaign Xi Jinping has been waging since the beginning of his rule. The PLA has always been tough on corruption: for decades, it was part of the unspoken rules, from career advancement to access to resources.

Since Comrade Xi came to power, dozens of PLA generals have come under investigation, with special scrutiny missile troops, the military procurement system, and the defense industry. What's happening today appears to be a logical continuation of the program to purge the army of corruption.

However, the level of authority changes the perception of what's happening. When the person under investigation isn't just a general, occupying the highest position in the hierarchy of not just the army, but the entire state, and is also someone from the head of state's inner circle, anti-corruption logic alone becomes insufficient for explanation.

Even setting aside talk of a military coup, the removal of Zhang Youxia and Liu Zhenli from active military leadership of the PLA reduces the number of people involved in key decision-making in the army. Those remaining are people trusted by Xi Jinping.

On the one hand, this reduces the risk of the emergence of alternative centers of influence within the military, which could sooner or later lead to events like a military coup. On the other hand, it makes the system vulnerable to targeted attacks: with a high concentration of power, any internal problems can have more serious consequences.

It's clear that the Chinese authorities will likely remain silent about what really happened and why military equipment was en route to Beijing. It's not the habit of Chinese officials to air their dirty laundry in public; what's their internal affair is none of the others' business.

But the sudden appearance of military equipment on the streets suggests that this was definitely not a fight against corrupt officials in uniform. This supports the theory of an attempted coup. An unsuccessful one, as everyone has already realized.

What can be said as a result?

The only thing is that, no matter which version is correct, Xi Jinping wins.

If the generals were bribe-takers and traitors who sold military secrets to outsiders, Comrade Xi is purging the army of such generals. And this is clearly for the benefit of the PLA, for the benefit of the PRC.

If the generals were dissidents and were indeed preparing a military coup, then Comrade Xi is back in charge, as he is removing very important figures from the board and replacing them with those who are more loyal, first and foremost to him.

In any case, it is unlikely that what happened will harm China.

Comments

[pudelartemon]

It's clear this is a murky affair. We'll likely never know what really happened.

[ZovSailor]

Nothing in the world happens by itself, but is closely interconnected.
Therefore, events in the PRC must be viewed through the prism of Taiwan and the analogy of Russia's Central Military District in Bandera.
We recall that on the eve of the events of 2022, an open meeting of the Russian Security Council was held, broadcast on television, at which each participant confirmed their position.
A series of events in the Western Hemisphere, another attempt at a color revolution in Iran, and further threats in the East, as well as the words of the head of the Ministry of Finance, the mattress-maker Bessent, one of the protégés of the deep state, about Taiwan producing up to 97% of all the world's chips, all fit together.
Before the current events, from the time of the Civil War of 1945-1949 with the support of Chiang Kai-shek in the PRC until 2015, there were attempts by the Rockefeller group (foundation) to establish a "South China" bridgehead, which failed (at the same time, we note that Xi was elected General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPC of the PRC in November 2012, and Xi was appointed Chairman of the PRC in March 2013).
On the eve of great events, the time has come to compare notes in order to free the top echelons of the party from unworthy communists.

[Shtrek]

Quote: ZovSailor

.....Therefore, events in the PRC must be viewed through the prism of Taiwan and the analogy of the North-East Asia....

It is quite possible, because among China's many problems, Xi is stuck on a small and victorious war with Taiwan....
And centuries of experience show that unreliable generals should be eliminated before the first shots are fired in a war. This is far more effective than dealing with the consequences of unprofessional decisions later.
Events are developing rapidly, so you can expect any surprises from them....

[Essex62]

There won't be any Taiwan. It's simple, as in all previous millennia: the emperor is eliminating competitors to the throne.
What microchip production? Who's going to leave those factories intact?

[your1970]

Quote: Streck

unreliable generals

Quote: Streck

unprofessional decisions

These are two different things that may well not intersect. Loyal people can do stupid things, while unreliable people can make the right decisions.

[Essex62]

There are no communists in China, especially not worthy ones.

[Doccor18]

Quote: ZovSailor

Therefore, events in China must be viewed through the prism of Taiwan.

What is Taiwan? A small island with a tiny population (1/70th of the mainland's), where, thanks to a few smart and pragmatic people, they skillfully took advantage of the situation to develop a semiconductor industry (and not just the entire range).
What is Taiwan for China? First and foremost, it's a vital economic partner. A huge flow of goods and investments passes through the island in both directions (West-China), somehow circumventing all sorts of sanctions. Cutting off such a partner would be like cutting off the branch you're sitting on. 2. It's a supplier of rare, highly qualified personnel. 3. The military-strategic aspect is free access to the Pacific Ocean. 4. The political issue is the reunification of all Chinese under one roof. And, apparently, they're ranking in importance this way. Starting a war/tough confrontation with the US & Co., trying to take control of the island in the near future, is certain suicide for China (or rather, for its political elite). It's quite obvious that the PLA can't survive a war with a whole pack of its opponents now, and even if, by exerting all its forces, it manages to recapture the island, it will only be an "island"—land, with smoldering embers and tens of thousands of casualties. It's unlikely that 73-year-old Xi would be satisfied with such a scenario. It's time to start thinking about a successor and the future of the "China 2050" megaproject...
As for the fuss at the top, it's an objective process of an eternal struggle for power. The guys there are all quite smart and very ambitious. There were times before, some of them even hit me over the head with a stool during heated debates...

Quote: ZovSailor

the top echelons of the party from unworthy communists.

Apparently, the word "communists" should have been put in quotation marks. With so many billionaires entrenched in the party, combined with hundreds of millions of virtually disenfranchised workers, it doesn't really fit with communists...

[ZovSailor]

Doccor18
Today, 17: 03
What is Taiwan? What is Taiwan to China?

Certainly, given the mentality of the PRC under its current leadership, a violent takeover of Taiwan is unlikely.
I don’t consider myself an interested Sinologist, remembering the events of 1969 on Damansky Island, when these abominations cut up our wounded with knives and finished them off with bayonets, sometimes observing from the sidelines the activities of our neighbors along the border.
All forecasts are only preliminary; already now, by the end of his third term, Uncle Xi, who failed to become the Father of the Nation like Mao, will have to look for a successor.
And modern communists - yes, they are the same as the Russian ones, relying on the teachings of Marx-Lenin-Mao, having a party card in hand, and in the spirit of the times, they do not forget about their beloved selves, being at the trough of power.

[Shtrek]

Quote: pudelartemon

It's clear this is a murky affair. We'll likely never know what really happened.

China is cut off from the global internet, and the Chinese internet is blocked by the authorities, so it is difficult to understand what exactly is happening and why...
And the information about "corruption" and "betrayal" leaked to the media suggests that the Chinese authorities would like to present events in precisely this light. And not only to their own population, but to the rest of the world as well.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Streck

And the information about 'corruption' and 'betrayal' that is coming into the media suggests that the Chinese authorities would like to present what is happening in exactly this light.

Yes, there was corruption there, in fact... I seriously doubt a possible coup, since there are no arrests of members of the Chinese elite, and if that were the case, the Western media would not remain silent, and information about the arrests of high-ranking members of the CPC would come to light, but two generals do not have the resources and capabilities to do this... Many decisions will have to be made through official structures (after all, Xi combines three positions at once), and he will have to be officially removed from power, but silence.

The video from Beijing featuring military equipment fits in perfectly with the exercises, which have become increasingly common amid the situation in Venezuela/Iran and rumors surrounding Taiwan.

There's no doubt that not everything is smooth sailing within the Chinese party... The elites enjoyed a golden age under Hu Jintao, when relations with the US were excellent, money flowed freely from trade (without any special sanctions), and there were certainly plenty of opportunities within China to distribute such wealth among all the clans, plus there were counterweights and candidates for high-ranking positions... But with Xi's rise to power, power began to concentrate in a single set of hands, with everything going to the elites close to the ruler. It's clear that many clans that had influence and power under Hu have lost a lot and don't like it. But so far, the struggle hasn't spread beyond a small circle, and there's simply no information available to the general public.

But it is certain that there will be attempts to remove Xi, but not now, but by 2035-2040, if he does not leave on his own.

[Ile ham]

A virtual repetition of the "purge" in the Soviet Union before the start of the Great Patriotic War.
Of course, we don’t know now (and, most likely, we won’t know in our lifetime) to what extent the whole situation resembles the eve of WWII, but it does evoke some thoughts....

[Hole puncher]

In any case, it is unlikely that what happened will harm China.

The army is decapitated, all senior officers who haven't yet been arrested are discredited because they belonged to the teams of arrested generals. The people, who have been drummed into their heads for years that the "Red Army is the strongest," are now faced with the fact that everything in the army is rotten and plundered. If this isn't harm, then what is? Even putting corruption aside, the army is now commanded by a political commissar who has never even commanded a platoon; his entire military career has been spent as a political officer at various levels. Compare this to Zhang Yuxia, who started as a private in 1968, then a company commander in 1976, and then General Staff, regimental commander, and so on. He was responsible for military cooperation with the Russian Federation and visited Russia on numerous occasions.
We'll never know what exactly happened in China, but the consequences will take a long time to sort out there.

[ASSAD1]

A banal power struggle; everyone wants to rule forever. If Trump is given free rein, he'll also sit in the White House until he's thrown out. In South Korea, only presidents are jailed with enviable regularity.

[your1970]

Quote: ASSAD1

In South Korea, only presidents are imprisoned with enviable regularity.

And they squeal - but they're climbing into power. And they say corruption there is low.

[nazgul-ishe]

"And they say corruption there is low."
But they are imprisoned for cases related to corruption.

[your1970]

Quote: nazgul-ishe

"And they say corruption there is low."
But they are imprisoned for cases related to corruption.

If 100% of Korean presidents of South Korea are sitting or were sitting For corruption - maybe the country should think about what's wrong with the post and what to do?

[Roman_vh]

So, the "smart" Karelians delegate all the corruption to their presidents :)). And everyone else is "free" from it. Oh well, that's cool, and the main thing about this operation is that no one has any idea.

[bar]

As long as there are people willing to take this position, you don't need to do anything. If everything works, don't touch anything.

[alexoff]

So when the economy is controlled by a few chaebols with powerful families, something is definitely wrong with the presidency. Samsung will soon be completely broke; they recently announced that hard drives will now cost twice as much. And how much more they'll increase the price in a couple of months is unknown. Where would you go from a submarine?

[Sergey250455]

My opinion is that this is simply a struggle for power.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Sergey250455

My opinion is that this is simply a struggle for power.

If that were the case and there really was a conspiracy, it wouldn't have been limited to the arrest of the generals. The military has no power in China; the CCP rules there, and if there had been a conspiracy, the military would have been merely executors, with someone from the CCP behind them.

[Shtrek]

Quote: Puncher

Quote: Sergey250455

My opinion is that this is simply a struggle for power.

.....The military in the PRC has no power, the CCP rules there, and if there was a conspiracy, the military would only be executors, with someone from the CCP standing behind them.

In China, the army is the real power. But until now, the army had never been a party to a conflict.
But when she took someone's side, it was decisive in resolving the struggle for power...
Events in the Middle Kingdom are developing rapidly and rapidly, and they are perhaps the most powerful and shocking in Chinese politics in all 13 years of Xi's time in power....

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Streck

In China, the army is the real power. But until now, the army had never been a party to a conflict.

If it is not an independent force, then it is difficult to call it a force at all.

Quote: Streck

But when she took someone's side, it was decisive in resolving the struggle for power...

Whoever in the CCP controlled the army wielded power. The PLA itself couldn't determine "who it would side with."

[Shtrek]

Quote: Puncher

Quote: Streck

But when she took someone's side, it was decisive in resolving the struggle for power...

Whoever in the CCP controlled the army wielded power. The PLA itself couldn't determine "who it would side with."

Well, the arrested generals were the very ones who controlled the army in the highest organs of the CPC...

Zhang is a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and vice chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC). Liu is a member of the CMC and chief of staff of the Joint Staff of the CMC. The PLA has a somewhat different structure than ours, but it's clear that this is the highest level of the general staff, as the CMC controls not only the PLA but also the people's militia and the people's armed forces.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Streck

Well, the arrested generals were the very ones who controlled the army in the highest organs of the CPC...

Quote: Streck

Zhang is a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and vice chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC).

We're talking about Zhang Shengming, Secretary of the CPC Central Commission for Discipline Inspection. He's not a general, he's a "cleaner," despite holding a military rank. No one has arrested him (yet); it was at his instigation that they were arrested.

[alexoff]

Yes, maybe the conspiracy has just begun, some general said something bad while drunk, another supported him, and the next day it was already Japanese spies

[Hole puncher]

Quote from alexoff

Yes, maybe the conspiracy has just begun, some general said something bad while drunk, another supported him, and the next day it was already Japanese spies

The cleansing has been going on for at least two years.
Example: In the fall of 2024, the commander of the missile forces was arrested. A new one was appointed, and a year later, the same thing happened.

[Uncle lee]

❝ So he, the wicked one, repaid the most kindness with evil, and wanted to reign and rule over everything himself? He deserves death! ❞

🎬 Ivan Vasilyevich is changing professions 🔗 https://citaty.info/quote/1158

[Hole puncher]

Quote from Uncle Lee

❝ So he, the wicked one, repaid the most kindness with evil, and wanted to reign and rule over everything himself? He deserves death! ❞

I just love this moment... What a game...

[Uncle lee]

On the boat, the film was torn apart into quotes and they used them to communicate and joke around.

[napalm]

Quote: Uncle Lee

On the boat, the film was torn apart into quotes and they used them to communicate and joke around.

I don't recognize you in makeup, Yuri Nikulin, no, Innokenty Smoktunovsky. Kesha.

[Uncle lee]

I came in at the right time!
Don't bother the king!
Or maybe it rolled behind the throne?
Everybody dance!
Did the housekeeper make vodka?
After all, everything that was acquired through backbreaking labor...
You're drunk, your honor...
Tambov wolf is your boyar!
Etc. etc.

[snow mountain]

Soon they will have their own congress of victors!

[carpenter]

Quote: Schneeberg

Soon they will have their own congress of victors!

It’s just not clear that the “defeated” are sitting in Belaya Sova, or at least in Butyrka.

[ayk]

There's a theory that people unprepared for a direct military confrontation with the United States, specifically the Taiwan operation, are being purged from the top party and military leadership. First, they removed members of the pro-American faction of the so-called "Komsomol." Then they removed members from various clans, and now it's Xi Jinping's turn. Since Deng Xiaoping's time, the Chinese leadership has cultivated a policy of keeping a low profile, waiting, avoiding direct confrontation with the United States, and accumulating strength. Xi Jinping has decided that China is ready, a view not shared by all his allies. Xi Jinping is determined to get rid of them. This only indicates that China is preparing for war with the United States.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Ayk

First, they removed people from the pro-American faction of the so-called "Komsomol." Then they removed people from various clans, and now it's Xi Jinping's turn.

There are no "pro-American factions" there; the CPC members are united in their goal; otherwise, the Chinese government would have long ago disintegrated, following the pattern of the CPSU. The CPC is a single monolith in terms of achieving its goal: global hegemony. BUT! Within, there are different opinions on how to achieve this.
POSSIBLY, those arrested believe Xi's chosen path is wrong and, most importantly, detrimental to the achievement of his stated goal. And as patriots (please don't laugh at this point, but these are ideological comrades), they were forced to sacrifice their personal sympathies for Xi, which the latter did not appreciate and perceived as a personal betrayal.
That is, someone convinced the generals from Xi's personal circle that he had placed himself ABOVE the party, which would undoubtedly lead to its degradation and demise, as happened in the USSR.

[ayk]

If you don't know about the "Komsomol members", then I don't know what else to say.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Ayk

If you don't know about the "Komsomol members", then I don't know what else to say.

Well, first of all, prove that she is pro-American.

[ayk]

I'm subscribed to Nikolai Vavilov on Telegram. He wrote the book "Chinese Power." It's very informative about China. I recommend it.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Ayk

I'm subscribed to Nikolai Vavilov on Telegram. He wrote the book "Chinese Power." It's very informative about China. I recommend it.

You formed your opinion under the influence of this gentleman and his specific arguments. Accordingly, I ask you to express your arguments in support of the thesis that the well-known "Komsomol members" are "pro-American forces."

[ayk]

It's a long story, and there's a lot to cover. In short, these are people from the Chinese Communist Youth League leadership. Because they were young in the early 90s, they were more open to cooperation with the United States. It was then that the United States began investing in Chinese industry. The old guard was more wary. Today, the United States effectively created China's modern industry. China's entire economic elite is tied to trade with the United States. Therefore, they don't want to sever ties with America. But China has become so powerful that the United States sees it as a threat. Therefore, a struggle is now underway within the top party and government leadership in China between patriots and pro-American leaders.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Ayk

Therefore, in the highest party and state leadership of China, there is now a struggle between patriots and pro-American leaders.

You, and perhaps the author you're referring to, don't quite understand the term "pro-American." Both the new and old generations of Chinese "communists" believe that China will become the world's hegemon in the future, and that this will be achieved at the expense of the United States (and that's the only way). BUT there are two ways to achieve this.
1. The pack method, drive and finish off
2. The Komodo dragon method: bite quietly and watch the prey slowly die from infection.
Comrade Xi is acting according to the first option: creating proxies that destabilize the situation around the world, creating numerous conflicts through which the United States is weakened, and US allies are changing their vector to China.
The so-called "Komsomol members," being more advanced, see perfectly well that the US is already lagging behind China, having missed the transition to a new socio-economic system, and there's no point in battling them. The US, clinging to capitalism, will lose anyway. That is, it's foolish to spend huge sums on a gigantic army, much less on maintaining proxy forces, flexing their muscles in front of the US, and simply slowly suffocating them in a "friendly" embrace. This is precisely what you and many others perceive as "pro-Americanism."
The US is needed to accelerate development, not for the sake of worshiping its moral principles, etc.

[ayk]

You still don't get it. The US won't wait for China to become so strong that it can't handle them. It will start sooner. For example. Now they'll take out Iran and install a new Shah. And then they'll cut off oil supplies from the Persian Gulf to China. What will China do?

[Hole puncher]

You're describing the current situation. It's the result of Xi's actions.

[ayk]

This would have happened anyway. Even under Biden, the US designated China as its main adversary in its national security strategy. Americans aren't blind. While they currently think they still have until 2035 for China to overtake the US in power, the reality is that it will happen much sooner.

[Essex62]

Yeah. And China hasn't embraced capitalism.

[Essex62]

So the Chinese's goal is global hegemony? It's not even funny. They're helpless in a fight.

[paul3390]

Not Xi decided he was ready, but Donnie left him no choice, consistently cutting off his oil sources and trying to sculpt on all fronts...

[man]

Quote: paul3390

Not Xi decided he was ready, but Donnie left him no choice, consistently cutting off his oil sources and trying to sculpt on all fronts...

Let them buy more of ours

[ayk]

China has gained power, and the US is forced to respond.

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

Not Xi decided he was ready, but Donnie left him no choice, consistently cutting off his oil sources and trying to sculpt on all fronts...

What's the problem with bringing ours by rail?

[paul3390]

The volumes are not the same, and shipping by sea is more profitable.

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

The volumes are not the same, and shipping by sea is more profitable.

There's a suspicion that rail travel will soon be more profitable and reliable than sea travel...

[man]

There's a theory that people unprepared for a direct military confrontation with the United States, specifically the Taiwan operation, are being purged from the top party and military leadership. First, they removed members of the pro-American faction, the so-called "Komsomol members." Then they removed members from various clans, and now it's Xi Jinping's turn.
If so, that's to our advantage. A pro-American China is a disaster for us...

[ayk]

In fact, we and China are already allies for the next 15-20 years.

[man]

Quote: Ayk

In fact, we and China are already allies for the next 15-20 years.

I hope our leaders don't waste these 15-20 years and develop science, technology, and industry. Trust in China, but don't let yourself down... the Soviet legacy isn't endless...

[ayk]

If we want to save the state, there is no other way.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mann

Trust in China, but don't be lazy yourself... the Soviet legacy is not endless...

The Soviet legacy is too small to partner with China. While we were on par in production in 1993, thanks to the Soviet legacy, they've since "gone a long way," and what they're likely offering us isn't friendship, but something like vassalage, or something like what we have now—I wouldn't call it friendship.

[man]

Soviet legacy, too littleTo establish partnerships with China... In terms of production, we were on par in 1993, precisely because of the Soviet legacy, but they have since "gone a long way."
I can't agree... the Soviet legacy was colossal, but it was disposed of horribly. I'm sure even our newest weapons are Soviet developments, put on hold for the future to save money... It's good that they were at least able to launch them into production... I think our great elders helped the youth

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: mann

I can not agree ...

With what exactly? With the fact that since the collapse of the USSR, we've been losing our legacy, while China has expanded it (the economy it had at the time), even though in 1990, China and we were roughly in the same league in terms of "power"? That's exactly what I was talking about... I mean, I actually agree with you. And I never wrote anywhere about the legacy being bad.

[man]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Quote: mann

I can not agree ...

With what exactly? With the fact that since the collapse of the USSR, we've been losing our legacy, while China has expanded it (the economy it had at the time), even though in 1990, China and we were roughly in the same league in terms of "power"? That's exactly what I was talking about... I mean, I actually agree with you. And I never wrote anywhere about the legacy being bad.

It struck me as odd that you called the Soviet legacy small, which is why I highlighted it in bold, and took it as a criticism of the Soviet Union. Now I see that I was wrong... and I'm very glad about it.

[Sergey250455]

I've spoken to the Chinese here, and someone I know works with them. They're not our allies. Far from it.

[ayk]

Did you determine this based on two people?

[your1970]

Quote: mann

Pro-American China is a disaster for us...

A China that defeats the US is more terrifying than any NATO. They won't even fight us—they'll just come in and that's it.

[ayk]

Therefore, Russia has no interest in the complete defeat of the United States. Russia will balance between China and the United States. But first, the United States must be dethroned from its position as global hegemon.

[The Good Fox]

Where will they go and why? Sorry, but this is nonsense from the 90s. Why would China seize anything in Russia and run into guerrilla warfare and sabotage when they can easily buy whatever they want in Russia for next to nothing?

[your1970]

Quote: Good Fox

China seizes something in Russia and runs into guerrilla warfare and sabotage

Are there many partisans in Ukraine?

Quote: Good Fox

They can buy whatever they want in Russia for little money without any problem.

Money NOT small, below the stock exchange rate - but not pennies

Quote: Good Fox

where they will enter

Even during the Soviet era, they came to the conclusion that the Soviet Union would not be able to stop the Chinese army due to its large borders; all hope lay in nuclear weapons aimed at cities with a population of over a million, and China was informed of this.
After this, by the end of 1970, they completely stopped supporting the fortified areas on the border.

[Dmitry Rigov]

Friendship between China and the US is impossible in the near future. Both countries are capitalist, and therefore they will not be able to divide up spheres of influence around the world like the USSR and the US. China will be, and is already being, strangled by sectoral sanctions.

[man]

Quote: Dmitry Rigov

Friendship between China and the US is impossible in the near future. Both countries are capitalist, and therefore they will not be able to divide up spheres of influence around the world like the USSR and the US. China will be, and is already being, strangled by sectoral sanctions.

As long as Trump is in power, I agree. And when the Democrats return...

[Dmitry Rigov]

The Joe Biden administration was essentially no different from Trump's first term in its approach to China; it's just that Trump in his first term liked to savor the sanctions, while the Democrats quietly imposed them, but they did impose them.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Ayk

China is preparing for war with the United States.

The Chinese comrades read the NSC-25 signed by Trump, which explicitly states that China is an enemy, and drew the appropriate conclusions. Then, since the civil war, the island has been a thorn in the side of the CCP, "leading the country along the path indicated by the Great Helmsman." Apparently, the time has come to resolve the problem of Chinese unity. Some were against it. Now they are gone. Military equipment on the streets of Beijing is a marker of rebellion. The only question is: did it appear "before" or "after" the generals' arrest? And the emphasis depends on that.

[ayk]

I completely agree. Surgery in Taiwan is possible soon.

[The Good Fox]

The National Security Strategy has been writing about China being an enemy for 20 years now.

[andrewkor]

What war was there between Vietnam and China in 1984? I only remember the February 1979 conflict.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: andrewkor

What war was there between Vietnam and China in 1984?

The Battle of Laoshan (Chinese) or the Battle of Vie Chuan (Vietnamese), April 1984. On the Chinese side, two infantry divisions and one artillery division; on the Vietnamese side, one division. Incidentally, this is the last major armed "conflict" in the history of the PRC.

[Sergej1972]

Incidentally, the Soviet press wrote much less about the clashes between China and Vietnam in 1984, taking a more neutral tone, unlike the events of 1979, when all sympathies were on Vietnam's side. Although, of course, even in 1984, there were passing assertions about the correctness of Vietnam's position.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Sergej1972

By the way, the Soviet press wrote much less about the clashes between China and Vietnam in 1984, in a more neutral spirit.

Meanwhile, China took full responsibility for supplying the dushmans with weapons, organizing training camps for them, and broadcasting propaganda to the USSR on the radio about the bright struggle for independence of the Afghan mujahideen against the Soviet occupiers.

[Andrey62]

That's right, the war lasted about a month. It used the "rolling wave" tactic (according to Mao Zedong), and a book about it was even published with quotes from Mao. They attacked, plundered, retreated, and so on many times... But as they wrote in the USSR, Vietnam seemed to have given the Chinese a pretty good beating. True, the USSR and China were already at odds by then.

[Sergej1972]

During Soviet times, I read about pro-Maoist groups among the Mujahideen. They then disappeared without a trace. Just like the Pro-Maoist Albanian groups in Kosovo.

[Same lech]

Reminds me of the purge of the Red Army's top command staff in 1937 by Comrade Stalin...then the war broke out.
If we follow this parallel further, there will be the Chinese SVO.
The visit of a high-ranking Chinese official to London is very interesting in this regard...what did he discuss with the Britons there?

[Hole puncher]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Reminds me of the purge of the Red Army's top command staff in 1937 by Comrade Stalin...

Stalin retained Shaposhnikov and Voroshilov and did not replace Voroshilov or Yezhov. Xi purged everyone and appointed a purge executor over the army.

[Same lech]

Quote: Puncher

Xi cleaned everyone out and put a purge executor in charge of the army.

A classic example...there shouldn't be any dangerous or independent people around the leader...only obedient cogs and gears of the system.
This vertical power structure is highly vulnerable to external shocks and internal decay...another watershed in China's history.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

A classic example...there shouldn't be any dangerous or independent people around a leader...

I would agree with you if Zhang Youxia and He Weidong were ordinary career generals appointed to the vice chair of the Central Military Commission of the People's Republic of China based on their merits. But these two comrades were close to Xi; he met He Weidong while working in the provinces and pulled him along, while Zhang Youxia is a childhood friend. I'm not saying they're both incompetent idiots who rose through the ranks thanks to their connections; according to their biographies, they rose through the ranks of the military from the very bottom. Should we doubt their disloyalty?

[parma]

As the author rightly noted in the article, there's "personal loyalty" and then there's "devotion to ideals." Perhaps the generals don't share Xi's efforts to concentrate power, simply seeing what happens in countries where power is held in one hand for too long. However, they were hesitant to openly oppose it precisely because of their personal feelings. The use of military force may be due to the fact that generals also have their own teams, commanding soldiers, and simply arresting them could be problematic. Let's put it this way: the corruption case is 99.99% likely just a pretext. I'm sure there isn't a single leader in the world who hasn't at least once abused their authority to ensure their own comfortable position. Has Xi won? "Today," certainly, but what this situation may lead to in the future remains to be seen.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: parma

Did Xi win? "Today" definitely, but what this situation might lead to in the future remains to be seen...

There will undoubtedly be consequences, and given that we don’t know the full scale of the events, they may even be global.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Puncher

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Reminds me of the purge of the Red Army's top command staff in 1937 by Comrade Stalin...

Stalin retained Shaposhnikov and Voroshilov and did not replace Voroshilov or Yezhov. Xi purged everyone and appointed a purge executor over the army.

And how many brigade commanders did he remove?

[Same lech]

I don't think anyone survived the marshals...the corps commanders were purged...the entire senior command staff was butchered.

[paul3390]

Voroshilov? Budyonny? Or do they not count?

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Panin (Michman)

And how many brigade commanders did he remove?

It doesn't matter. Stalin didn't appoint an NKVD People's Commissar over the army, but Xi appointed the Secretary of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection of the CPC over the army, which is equivalent in their case.

[Panin (midshipman)]

Quote: Puncher

Quote: Panin (Michman)

And how many brigade commanders did he remove?

It doesn't matter. Stalin didn't appoint an NKVD People's Commissar over the army, but Xi appointed the Secretary of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection of the CPC over the army, which is equivalent in their case.

But he put Frinovsky in command of the fleet.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Panin (Michman)

But he put Frinovsky in command of the fleet.

And Yezhov was a river worker... But he didn’t allow these comrades into the army.

[Sergej1972]

In Frinovsky's case, everyone, including Frinovsky himself, understood that this would not last long.

[Sergej1972]

The Chinese have a somewhat different system of military command than the Soviet one. The security agencies, represented by the Ministry of Public Security and the Ministry of State Security, do not conduct any work within the army; they have no equivalent to our special departments. However, army generals are often sent to work in the Ministry of Public Security and the Ministry of State Security, but not vice versa. Military counterintelligence reports to the army's political agencies, which, in turn, are under the control of the CPC Central Committee. Chinese political officers are not exactly equivalent to our political officers; they have much broader responsibilities. A separate structure, the Security Bureau of the Political and Legal Commission of the Central Military Commission, exists to oversee the situation within the PLA. It combines the functions of military counterintelligence, military police, security for military leaders, and the military penitentiary system.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Sergej1972

Chinese political workers are not exactly analogous to our political officers; they have much broader functions.

Tell them that they have the same level of training as the regular PLA officers.

[Sergej1972]

That's what I don’t know, I don’t know.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Sergej1972

That's what I don’t know, I don’t know.

It's not complicated; just look at the biography and everything is clear. Compare the biographies of Yusya and Shenmin. One rose through the ranks of command, while the other spent his entire life as a commissar.

[nazgul-ishe]

"Reminiscent of the purge of the Red Army's top command staff in 1937 by Comrade Stalin..."
Finally they remembered 1937, it was somehow boring.

[tsvetahaki]

"A rebellion cannot end successfully.
Otherwise, his name is different."

In general, everything is shaky in China... Many at the top do not share Xi's line - and, like the infamous Katz, are proposing surrender.
They built and built an overly export-oriented economy. Even though they have such a huge domestic market...

[Hole puncher]

Quote from tsvetahaki

Even though they have such a huge domestic market...

At the last CPC plenum, they planned to develop the domestic market for the next five years. They can only do this by developing social programs and taking measures to boost the confidence of ordinary Chinese people. Something like, "Don't be afraid to spend your yuan; the state will take care of you anyway."

[man]

Quote: Puncher

Quote from tsvetahaki

Even though they have such a huge domestic market...

At the last CPC plenum, they planned to develop the domestic market for the next five years. They can only do this by developing social programs and taking measures to boost the confidence of ordinary Chinese people. Something like, "Don't be afraid to spend your yuan; the state will take care of you anyway."

If only our rulers could follow this example...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: mann

If only our rulers could follow this example...

They're not doing it because life is good. Export-driven economic growth has slowed (there are many reasons, including the trade war with the US), but the domestic market, which, like the US, is generating significant growth, hasn't been tapped. Meanwhile, the population has plenty of money in its piggy banks; the Chinese are generally a tight-fisted people because few have a guaranteed future. Pensions are for a minority, and in old age, you need to eat. The old-fashioned "children will feed you" model no longer works because there are fewer children and they're more modern (me first...). Plus, healthcare is expensive, there's no health insurance, and there's no free healthcare. So while you're working, everything's fine and you have enough money, but God forbid your health falters and you're screwed, you lose your job, and you'll spend all your money on treatment. So they need pension reform and health insurance so the average worker doesn't have to worry about how to survive in old age and how to pay hospital bills, and instead resorts to consumerism, buying up everything they need and then...

[man]

Quote: Puncher

Quote: mann

If only our rulers could follow this example...

They're not doing it because life is good. Export-driven economic growth has slowed, and the population has plenty of money in their piggy banks. Pensions are for a minority, and in old age, you have to eat. The old-fashioned "kids will feed you" model no longer works because there are fewer children and they're more modern (I'm more important...). Plus, healthcare is expensive... So, while you're working, everything's fine, you have enough money, but God forbid your health falters and you're screwed, you lose your job, and you'll spend all your money on treatment.

And our life is amazing and things are tight with piggy banks...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: mann

We have a luxurious life and are short on cash...

Socially, we are still better protected than the Chinese, but this is, of course, thanks to the system built in the USSR.

[man]

Quote: Puncher

Quote: mann

We have a luxurious life and are short on cash...

Socially, we are still better protected than the Chinese, but this is, of course, thanks to the system built in the USSR.

I just don't remember them raising the retirement age in the USSR...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: mann

I just don't remember them raising the retirement age in the USSR...

They ate it and resigned themselves to it.

[Sergej1972]

In China they are also planning to increase it.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Puncher

Plus, medicine is expensive, there is no health insurance, and there is no free medicine.

You're exaggerating a bit... way over the top. The average salary in China is 110-120 thousand rubles, which is lower than ours. Healthcare, yes, with insurance, is like in the US, but significantly cheaper, and paid services are much cheaper than Russian ones. Our citizens have already started traveling for treatment, and as for pensions... 4/5 of the population receives them, which is 30-40 thousand rubles in our money.

[Essex62]

So, they're getting a pension of about 300 million? The "pence" there is no less than that. Don't read Chinese newspapers at lunch or dinner. Everything is so cheap and blissful that the Chinese ant, the hard worker, toils away at least 12 hours a day. He probably can't live without it; who the hell needs a personal life?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Essex62

So they actually receive 300 million in pension?

I wrote - 4/5 and yes, all city dwellers, and rural residents have a different status...

Quote: Essex62

Don't read Chinese newspapers at lunch or dinner. Everything is so cheap and cushy that the Chinese ant, a hard worker, toils for at least 12 hours a day.

So, as I understand it, it bothers you that ordinary Chinese, who used to come here to work, are now living significantly better than Russians. Well, frankly, it bothers me too. By the way, despite the cheap labor, I don't see any explosion in industrial growth.

[Essex62]

That's not what bothers me. The bourgeoisie and their servants, party officials, civil servants, and the "intelligentsia" associated with advanced fields of science and technology live comfortably there. That is, approximately a fifth of the entire population. The rest toil away their days for this elite. It's a kind of socialism.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Essex62

That's not what bothers me. The bourgeoisie and their servants, party officials, civil servants, and the "intelligentsia" associated with advanced fields of science and technology live comfortably there. That is, approximately a fifth of the entire population. The rest toil away their days for this elite. It's a kind of socialism.

Did I give you data that's clearly better than ours, or do you have any other data besides the 20-year-old one? So tell me where I'm wrong. It's completely unclear what we have here. Soon, we'll be like China was 20 years ago, perhaps.

[Essex62]

You're citing official data from a hermetically sealed Chinese society. To put it mildly, they're not very accurate. I wasn't writing about us, I was writing about them. Why are you trying to compare everything? We have a completely different situation. Russian profiteers with foreign citizenship are rapidly selling off the future of our grandchildren and
Great-grandchildren. Therefore, the working class is useless to them and has been liquidated. In China, under the slogans of a victorious working class, the turncoats of the Communist Party of China, having merged with the bourgeoisie, brutally exploit it.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Essex62

You're citing official data from China's hermetically sealed society. To put it mildly, it's not very accurate.

Is your conclusion based solely on their official status? Go to YouTube and ask questions. Bloggers, even our own, make a lot of videos there about the lives of Chinese people—more or less the same information. So, don't be lazy and watch them—it's not difficult at all, and it's interesting, too. I think you'll immediately forget those 20-30-year-old thoughts about China.

Quote: Essex62

We have a completely different situation. Russian profiteers with foreign citizenship are rapidly selling off the future of our grandchildren and
great-grandchildren.

I compared the lives of ordinary people and their prospects, and they are clearly not in our favor - these comparisons...

Quote: Essex62

In China, under the slogans of a victorious working class, the turncoats from the Communist Party of China, having merged with the bourgeoisie, are cruelly exploiting it.

If you watch the videos (unofficial and Russian-language ones, of course), you'll understand that such living conditions are something that both Russian and Soviet citizens could only dream of... well, if you simply don't want to know the truth that interferes with your beliefs, then I'm sorry...

[Essex62]

I know the truth firsthand. And not from 20 years ago, but five or six. Nothing has changed dramatically since then, because the bourgeoisie hasn't gone anywhere. What did the citizens of the Soviet Union have to dream about?
Housing, education, including Moscow State University, low prices, a guaranteed high pension upon reaching the age of effective work, and social equality.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Essex62

I know the truth firsthand. And not from 20 years ago, but five or six. Nothing has changed dramatically since then, because the bourgeoisie hasn't gone anywhere.

It's clear that your beliefs won't allow you to watch videos that could change your worldview... well, I'm powerless here unless you simply want the truth about the lives of ordinary people. urban Chinese, who make up 4/5 of the population... and if you don't take an interest in the issue, and it seems you're not eager to, I don't see the point in discussing this issue with you... it's a conversation between a blind person and a deaf person.

[Essex62]

I watched a video of our guy, who travels the world and shows it on TV, talking to Chinese workers. They told him a few things. Yeah. And he heard even more interesting things from a Chinese party official.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

You're exaggerating a bit.

Many people talk about the stinginess of the Chinese, and the underdeveloped domestic market is cited as the main drag on the economy. Is it a myth that the Chinese save for their health and old age?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Puncher

Is it a myth that the Chinese save money for their health and old age?

That was 20 years ago - the semi-serfdom of ordinary Chinese people... Now, on average, city pensioners don't need it any more than ours, and maybe even less... Yes, rural pensioners are noticeably worse, but there are about 20% of them... At the same time, they provide housing in China for almost free... On average, their population lives 2-3 times better than ours...

[Essex62]

But you toil away 12-15 hours a day for someone else's money, for a paltry salary, and you won't even bother using the word "live." Only the wealthy, party members, and servants live there.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Essex62

But you toil away 12-15 hours a day for someone else's money, for a paltry salary, and you won't even bother using the word "live." Only the wealthy, party members, and servants live there.

I already wrote this above, just watch videos of how ORDINARY Chinese live from Russian speakers and you'll understand everything... including how ridiculous your comment seems now, which was only true for China 30 years ago...

[Essex62]

Russian-speaking Chinese are all profiteers or servants. A working person there has no time to sit on the internet; they toil for a capitalist, and earn extra for another. They save for retirement. The government can't contain all the negativity that's allowed to spill online. They're tightly closed. And you believe this nonsense. It's your right, believe it.

[ycuce234-san]

Transitioning from an industrially developed export economy to a domestic one is always easier. Manufacturing will suffer a crisis of overproduction and a decline in profits for several years, and that's all. All this effort is simply unnecessary.

[Essex62]

350+ million won't be enough to absorb everything that Lard and its accompanying assets create. The enormity of this market is highly questionable.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: "If the generals were bribe-takers and traitors who sold military secrets to others, Comrade Xi will purge the army of such generals."

...Xi will probably send generals as secretaries to the Security Council.

[man]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Quote: "If the generals were bribe-takers and traitors who sold military secrets to others, Comrade Xi will purge the army of such generals."

...Xi will probably send generals as secretaries to the Security Council.

Yeah... only the Chinese Security Council in the afterlife

[Chack wessel]

Speaking of the Other World: what does the Chinese religion say about the Other World? Do they even have one? ...Well, these two generals will soon have a chance to find out.

[man]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Speaking of the Other World: what does the Chinese religion say about the Other World? Do they even have one? ...Well, these two generals will soon have a chance to find out.

You won't believe it, but I'm not Chinese at all and I don't know anything about their religion.
And I'm very curious how you'll interrogate these generals. Are they really going to the other world too? Just keep in mind that the Chinese are a secretive people and may not say anything.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: "And it's very interesting how you will interrogate these generals, are they really going to the next world too?"
To be honest, I hadn't thought about that... Well, I'll have to see for myself. I hope this opportunity doesn't arise anytime soon.

[nepunamemuk]

The Chinese have no religion
for them religion is the state
Even Confucius talked about this 😇

[multi-category]

Even the Chinese themselves do not always agree with Confucius.
His ideas in the style of "to each his own sixth" were not to everyone's taste and during
travel and "enlightenment" missions were expelled from several cities
Confucius is very popular with reactionaries and traditionalists, various kinds of aristocracy and people who benefit from the caste structure of society - the same officials.

[nepunamemuk]

not everyone liked it and it was during
travel and "enlightenment" missions were expelled from several cities

the first ones were always driven out first
Jesus Mohamed...
There are still more Confucians than other religions
and China is not a caste system, but more like a meritocracy.

[Sergej1972]

No, not a chance. Leaders of that rank in the PRC (members of the Politburo of the Central Committee, members of the Central Military Council), no matter what their sins, are not sent to the next world. I don't know of a single such case. They can be given a suspended death sentence, but then it's commuted to a long prison term under very lenient conditions, reminiscent of house arrest. Former ministers or secretaries of provincial party committees, provincial governors, or city mayors, however, are subject to this. That's still a lower level.

[Sergei Fonov]

"I'll know the whole truth as soon as I die.
I'm right on the first date
For now, God and I are playing a game.
as if he exists in the universe."
And Guberman.

[your1970]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Quote: "If the generals were bribe-takers and traitors who sold military secrets to others, Comrade Xi will purge the army of such generals."

...Xi will probably send generals as secretaries to the Security Council.

The statements that they were arrested and are sitting in a pre-trial detention center have not yet been made.
We'll see - if they'll slap him, it's the corrupt officials; if they won't, it's "Voroshilov"

[Des]

Good article, +.
It's hard to govern such a huge country and such a large population. Let's wish Xi good luck.
Perhaps we have similar problems. The solutions and laws are different.

[multi-category]

Quote: Des

It's hard to govern such a huge country and such a large population. Let's wish Xi good luck.

China, like the United States, is divided into a cluster of inward-looking provinces. This structure is less monolithic than the republics of the late Soviet Union, but it is also more resilient in terms of resolving internal problems. Khrushchev's reforms made the imbalances in the Soviet republics too sensitive, while the Chinese are better at balancing.

[Sergej1972]

A significant number of provincial governors and an even larger number of provincial CPC committee secretaries, who effectively serve as the top officials in their respective provinces, are not natives of their respective provinces. The same applies to the heads of local law enforcement agencies, state security agencies, courts, and prosecutors.

[multi-category]

Most of them think in a very practical way and live by local realities.
Few people "go for a promotion to Moscow." Hence the radical difference in worldview and motivation for actions.

[Sergej1972]

Not quite so. A significant portion is rotated or promoted to the top, to ministries and the Central Committee. Security officials are rotated constantly.

[multi-category]

that's not how it works
There are groups of provinces under party clans, where there's rotation—few outsiders show up. And people build their careers within this clan, geographically within a three- to four-hour drive. It's a very parochial worldview. They remember how you sniffled as a child, and there's some kind of accountability for your actions, and a future awaits you there. That's why even corrupt officials try to make life better around them. It's different here—a promotion usually involves a move, and a radical one at that—your whole life changes. It's a rogue's psychology. And often, in the process, your list of sins is cleared.

[tatra]

The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people—as always, no matter what the topic for the past 35 years since the creation of their state—have dragged the USSR into everything. Their anti-Soviet sentiment has long ceased to be the sole justification for their seizure of the USSR, but has become their paranoia.

[Monster_Fat]

There's also a "third version." Namely, the usurpation of all power in China by Xi Jinping and his clan—he's already crushed the CPC, completely subjugating the Central Committee, and now he's done the same to the PLA. China is turning into the DPRK.

[multi-category]

Xi is very far from usurping power. There, sole power is essentially impossible – the leader must balance the interests of regional party groups.
An important factor is that one can become very rich in any province—there's no such thirst for centralization as we have here. Nor is there a critical interdependence between factions.

[Altai2026]

It's interesting how Xi, when practically his entire entourage was in on the conspiracy, was able to detect and prevent a rebellion (Khrushchev and Gorbachev were unlucky in a similar situation!!!). I also remembered how many coups our intelligence (Georgia, Turkey, etc.) prevented. In about 80 years, we'll find out what really happened in China (after the archives were declassified).

[Essex62]

What was Gorbachev unlucky about? What he deliberately did is what he got. What the hell kind of rebellion is this? A joint effort by a single team of turncoats to change the social order. Bluffing is like confronting an alcoholic. The marked man did his job, and the agent was brought out of the cold.

[GEV67]

A country must have a true leader and master who makes it a powerful state. Comrade Xi is precisely that leader.

[Monster_Fat]

Yes, the dream of a strong "master" is ineradicable for many. Which "master" will you choose? The one who, after a "three" or "three," shoots you in the back of the head, or the one who flogs you to death in the stables? Or have you imagined a "kind," "fair" master? One who, at his own expense, feeds his slaves to the full and properly maintains them?

[Essex62]

But there has to be a leader. In a crisis, you can't do without one. Otherwise, you'll be constantly being lied to.
A bullet in the back of the head is also from that crisis situation, by the way. It's not that simple.

[Monster_Fat]

Would you put a bullet in the back of your mother's head? What about your son's? If they don't support the "party policy," the "helmsman," the "leader," and other "masters" of the country? In a "crisis situation"?

[Essex62]

During the Civil War, this happened all the time. Brother against brother, son against father. That's what civil war is for. Today, the Civil War is also on the outskirts, and there, too, Russians are fighting Russians. Often, even relatives are on opposite sides. And then, throughout human history, there has been either one-man rule (with some reservations) or clan rule. There is no other, and there never will be.

[GEV67]

Let's consider a situation where several drivers share a single taxi car. The car's condition leaves much to be desired. It's in poor condition, but it still runs.
It's the same in everything.

[multi-category]

It seems the generals are guilty of vanity. Well, that's how it goes.

[Artyom Savin]

It seems corruption in China is something like working for foreign intelligence in the USSR in 37-38 and various left-wing and right-wing deviations in the 1920s. Xi has decided to rule forever, and anyone who opposes him is a thief, that's the whole story.

[FoBoss_VM]

There are no untouchables.

Eh.... I wish it was the same for us. Shoigu, Vasilyeva, Serdyukov, Chubais, Gref, Sechin, Miller, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, Tsalikov, Krivoruchko, Shevtsova, Nabiullina, Siluanov and many many other characters

[Essex62]

Well, you wrote it. Chubais. Is this supposed to put pressure on the supervisor?

[FoBoss_VM]

Of course. We should start with him.

[Essex62]

To do this, a sign in the socio-political system must be changed.

[faterdom]

Can we imagine Xi Jinping, disappointed, saying on national television, "I was deceived"?
I can't do this.
It’s easier for me to imagine, instead of the “Peter and Fevronia” monument I saw today, say, a sculpture of “Donald and Melania” holding a plate with Nicholas’s head in their hands.
But I don’t have enough imagination to imagine Xi being deceived and admitting it.

[olboop]

A foreign country is a dark place. Especially China. However, what's happening is clearly reminiscent of the process of strengthening personal power and the military's "coercion" that occurred under Stalin in the late 30s. Although not on the same scale and without the same brutality, these are still different times.

[cpls22]

China experts emphasize that Xi Jinping has expended a great deal of energy on changing the military's command system itself, building a new vertical...the previous system of collegial control was abolished and a new one was created.

I'd like to know more about this. Could today's events be rooted in the failure of the newly established system?

[Jurkovs]

Given the intensity and cynicism of the information attacks on Russia, I'm inclined to believe this is most likely a media attack on China. There was some pretext, but they made a mountain out of a molehill. British Prime Minister Starmer arrived in China as if nothing was happening; otherwise, he would have postponed the visit.

[nordscout]

As a "bottom line": we'll see... "Russia must draw the appropriate conclusions from what's happening in China and rely only on itself...

[Essex62]

Russia today and most likely tomorrow cannot survive without China.

[nordscout]

Essex62, if we settle for modest victories, perhaps our "partners" will quietly disappear. With "resounding" victories and strategic successes, partners and allies will quickly emerge... As for "can't": with political will, high standards, and an environment of personal responsibility, it will work out, as it did for I.V. Stalin in December 1941, without the US and Britain...

[Essex62]

The towers have plenty of political will. But this policy doesn't entail either high demands or personal responsibility. The purse and personal well-being are king. And in this matter, they're showing iron will. So, without Chinese beads in exchange for the products of the privatized pipeline, there's no way.
The ascetic Stalin had the same Bolshevik Party and working class, capable of taking any fortress.

[Fangaro]

Thanks for the interesting post!

Zhang Yuxia's career path is described in a strange way... He was born in 1950. He began his career in 1984 with the rank of major general.
He not only waited for an appointment for 34 years, but also served somewhere, perhaps fought...
This is not a reproach to the author, but a gap in the publication.

[Dmitry Eon]

We see the state of affairs in China in much the same way that the West sees the state of affairs in Russia: there are some “bad generals” and squabbles and whatever else you want.

[Evgeny_Sviridenko]

There's a quote circulating online: "I believe that for true communists, Stalin means no less than Lenin, and in terms of the percentage of correct decisions he makes, he has no equal in world history." – Xi Jinping. March 2018. The Chinese leader read Stalin; he couldn't help but read it. As well as a lot of other useful literature.

[gustav3502]

He's simply purging the army of overly authoritarian figures. A complete changing of the guard. As in Seventeen Moments of Spring: "Oh, I didn't even notice Dietrich had freckles."

[acetophenone]

The accusations are more than serious, although they lack some specifics.

The author is a humorist... There are NO specifics AT ALL. Something along the lines of:
Our comrade Beria
Lost trust.
And comrade Malenkov
Kicked him.

[AntonVerkhniy]

In short, China is now incapable of war. If they dare to interfere with Taiwan, it will likely only be towards the end of Trump's term or after. If they even dare to interfere at all.

[nordscout]

AntonVerhniy, China doesn't need Taiwan as a subsidized province, with the word "completely" added... And if China "conquers" Taiwan, the likelihood of Taiwan "losing" its "chip"-based global leadership advantages, without Dutch lithographers, British "chip" architecture, and American chip production technologies, will be significantly high... This is probably the source of all the Chinese "dancing with a tambourine" around the Taiwan issue and the complete uncertainty about the ways and timeframes for its resolution by mainland China....

[colonel_Lynch]

Long live the Communist Party of China!

[nordscout]

colonel_Lynch, I understand that THIS is from the pre-holiday calls for the 109th Anniversary of the Great October Revolution, from the newspaper "Pravda"... Although the current government is now "embarrassed" by this event and its involvement in it....

[Chief Officer Lom]

I hope the reason wasn't sabotage of preparations for the DF-21D anti-ship missile test in Iran. This is a crucial moment to test them on US aircraft carriers under the guise of "supplying arms to Banderites is not war!" before a possible operation to expel Western proxies from Taiwan. If China misses this opportunity now, it will have to draw the appropriate conclusions, which are currently only speculation. And sinking a US aircraft carrier or rendering it so badly damaged that it cannot be concealed will have an impact on world politics similar to Hitler's defeat at Moscow.

[Vendora]

Western games are in full swing across the globe. Western democracy is in effect. The world is unipolar. Russia is not a player. All that remains is to put the squeeze on China.

[Essex62]

China isn't a player either. It's a global industry and a profiteer. A huckster, not a warrior. They're not even trying to prove otherwise. They're being slapped in the face and driven into losses across the board.

[aesculapius]

It's simple, they removed the opponents of the new world order.

[Jose]

If only the Soviet KGB had fought the saboteurs at the top of the country like this. Instead of waging a foolish and pointless war against jazz, rock, hipsters, hippies, punks, metalheads, girls wearing makeup in schools, jeans, chewing gum, black marketeers, profiteers, breakdancing, bodybuilding, karate, Brodsky, Dovlatov, Rostropovich, and jokes about Brezhnev...

[whitesnow]

One leader of a state also successfully defeated a conspiracy of distinguished generals and replaced them with young and ambitious ones. Fifteen years later, they poisoned him. And if not for the four-year war with a neighboring state, this would likely have happened sooner.