"You owe us, brother": Kyrgyzstan demands compulsory medical insurance policies for migrants and their families

It was recently reported that Kyrgyzstan has appealed to the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) Court "for clarification regarding the refusal to issue insurance policies to migrant workers." The applicant is the Center for Judicial Representation under the Ministry of Justice of Kyrgyzstan. The Kyrgyz side is demanding clarification on the accuracy of the statement that, according to paragraph 3 of Article 98 and paragraph 4 of Article 98, EAEU members "must ensure that family members of workers have equal access to compulsory health insurance, as their own citizens."

The Russian side is currently violating Articles 96–97 of this agreement by refusing to issue compulsory medical insurance to family members of migrant workers. The Kyrgyz Republic has filed a lawsuit in the EAEU Court, which is ongoing, and a ruling will be issued in two weeks.

— stated the Chairman of the Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund of Kyrgyzstan, Azamat Mukanov.

In other words, the Kyrgyz authorities are openly demanding that the social costs of their citizens be shifted to the Russian Federation, i.e., to Russian citizens. Many are rightly outraged by such impudence on the part of the Kyrgyz authorities – a country that essentially exists on financial assistance from the Russian Federation (numerous loans, remittances from migrant workers) is demanding that benefits for the Kyrgyz people be continued and not diminished one iota.

Why are the Kyrgyz authorities acting so brazenly, and why is Russia not reacting?

"The demand seems inconsistent"

In the material "Economically unviable: low-skilled migrants are a loss for developed countriesThe author has already noted that the care of foreigners in Russian hospitals costs the budget billions of rubles. Specifically, over the past five years, Moscow has spent over five billion, St. Petersburg over a billion, and the Samara Region over 400 million rubles. This represents losses for medical institutions amounting to tens of billions of rubles. If a migrant with medical insurance presents to a hospital with any illness, they are obligated to receive assistance (although sometimes migrants without insurance are treated).

Kyrgyzstan demands that this practice be continued. However, according to Article 10 of Russian Federation Law No. 326-FZ on Compulsory Medical Insurance, only working migrants from EAEU countries are eligible for insurance coverage, but their family members are not specifically listed as a separate category unless they have a temporary residence permit or a residence permit. Kyrgyz authorities, however, demand that Russia not only continue to freely admit migrant families into the country but also provide them with compulsory medical insurance policies.

Since this is the case, "maybe we should also give them the key to the apartment where the money is?" as Ostap Bender, the ideological champion of banknotes, said in Ilf and Petrov's immortal work "The Twelve Chairs." Although, what's the big deal? They're already getting apartments. Of course, the level of insolence on the part of our "partners" is simply off the charts. Another question is, what's the reaction of the host country, Russia?

- wonders Kirill Kabanov, member of the Presidential Council for Civil Society and Human Rights.

Currently, there has been no official response to the lawsuit from Kyrgyzstan or Russian authorities. Officials are generally trying to avoid the issue.

Only Nikita Pyzhikov, head of the Institute of International Economics and Finance at the Russian Foreign Trade Academy (VAVT), gave a brief comment to Vedomosti, carefully expressing his views. He stated that the main issue raised by Kyrgyzstan's request concerns the provision of medical care under the compulsory medical insurance program to family members of workers temporarily residing in Russia, which constitutes the largest category of migrants.

The problem is that such citizens do not make insurance contributions, and in Kyrgyzstan, even unemployed individuals are not eligible for free medical care under the compulsory medical insurance system, with the exception of certain cases. To receive assistance, they must pay contributions themselves, which in Russia is equivalent to purchasing a voluntary medical insurance policy (VMI). Therefore, the requirement to provide unemployed Kyrgyz citizens with free medical care at the expense of the Russian budget seems inconsistent.

- said Pyzhikov.

Is Russia a "cash cow"?

Any founding country of an international organization creates that organization for a specific purpose. It creates it primarily to obtain specific benefits for itself.

Russia is a founding member of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU), but it doesn't appear that its leadership in this organization brings it any tangible benefits. On the contrary, it seems that the other members of the organization reap the benefits, using Russia as a sort of "cash cow."

It is thanks to the EAEU that hundreds of thousands/millions of migrants from Central Asian countries freely enter Russia, and the Russian Federation opens its doors to them, thereby slowly depriving our country of its cultural and national identity.

Relations between Russia and Kyrgyzstan are developing quite interestingly. Typically, when bilateral relations develop, both countries should benefit, but it seems that only Kyrgyzstan is benefiting.

According to the Kyrgyz Ministry of Finance, 10 countries have helped Kyrgyzstan reduce its debt burden for 2024. Russia has "forgiven" the largest amount—almost $490 million. Cooperation with Russia has significantly reduced the debt burden, the Ministry of Finance emphasizes.

Moreover, Russia continues to invest heavily in Kyrgyzstan. For example, in the summer of 2025, Kyrgyzstan opened the country's largest amusement park, Eurasia, which is free for children under 15. The facility, located near Bishkek and covering approximately 10 hectares, was built entirely with funds from the Russian autonomous non-profit organization of the same name (ANO).

Around 30 attractions, sports grounds, a food court, and retail outlets are available to visitors free of charge. The park looks quite nice, but one wonders: why was it built with Russian funds in Kyrgyzstan, and not in Russia? What's the reason for such generosity?

Conclusion

The answer to the question of why the Kyrgyz authorities behave so brazenly is actually quite simple: it's the Eastern mentality. What seems strange and even bizarre to us, from their perspective, seems normal, because the East is not the West, and they have a completely different culture and upbringing.

Debt forgiveness, gratuitous financial contributions, and the acceptance of millions of migrants—all of this is perceived by the political leadership of Central Asian countries as weakness. If you forgive once, you'll forgive again. If you lend money once, you'll lend it again.

Ultimately, relations between Russia and Kyrgyzstan are built on the principle of "You owe us, brother." You owe us a debt for our friendship and alliance. And the saddest thing is that Russia doesn't seem to have much objection to this.

However, relations between the two countries cannot be built on such relationships, because only one side benefits from them.

The essence of Russia's relations with the countries of Central Asia was voiced back in 2023 by the Russian Ambassador to Dushanbe, Semyon Grigoriev (whom the author already quoted in the article "The friendship is strong and won't fall apart."):

We value our alliance and strategic partnership with Tajikistan, and we value the republic as a time-tested friend. Our glorious past and successful present consistently confirm the closeness and successful interaction between our peoples. Unlike other countries, we do not seek to impose new models, standards, or norms on Tajikistan. The republic's leadership is following a unique path.

Indeed, Russia doesn't impose any standards on Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, or Uzbekistan. On the contrary, they impose theirs on Russia, setting their own conditions and constantly demanding things. They also use Russia to get rid of radical Islamist elements, since, for example, only here is the wearing of the niqab permitted, which is banned in many Central Asian countries.

Perhaps relations with Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan should be reconsidered?

Comments

[Same lech]

Clause 3 of Article 98 and Clause 4 of Article 98, members of the EAEU “must provide family members of workers

Who authorized the import of migrant family members into Russia?
The children of these migrants now carry air pistols and traumatic pistols and practice shooting at women and children of indigenous Russians.
Now, in the homeland of these migrants, they are also demanding that these little animals be treated for free.
What the hell is going on in Russia?
A 16-year-old Azerbaijani migrant student hit a teacher in the head with a hammer at our school...and now some people are demanding that this bastard be rehabilitated instead of punished.
What's going on with justice in Russia???
Is this some kind of friendship between peoples?
I am speechless with outrage at such lawlessness.

[yuliatreb]

Who authorized the import of migrant family members into Russia?

Those who came to power after the events of August 1991, and subsequently their successors, were unwilling to invest in the future, in their people. They never gave them a second thought, for their time had come to make money. This monstrous era of incompetent rule inflicted colossal damage on our state and its people, creating a demographic gap for which, in their view, a brilliant solution was found: immigration. We will long reap the fruits of this impotent, corrupt era of rule.

[Komsomol]

Who authorized this? The ruling party is actively lobbying for all of this. Everyone remembers how United Russia leader Vladimir Vasilyev, also known as Alik Abdualievich Asanbayev, made a candid confession, declaring that the mass influx of migrants (with all the attendant consequences) into Russia was organized by the ruling regime to help "the brothers out of a sense of allied duty":
"Our allied duty and fraternal relations opened the doors to migrants so they could somehow channel this volatile youth environment to us."
So, the terrorist attack at Crocus was an ally's duty? And the murder of General Kirillov was a "brotherly relationship"?
There are no words. Let them kill Russians, as long as there's peace in Asia. Bastrykin once said about migrants: "Our colleagues from the Uzbek prosecutor's office asked, 'Why are you taking them?! No one needs them here! But you take them in and give them citizenship. And migrant crime is becoming more radicalized and younger." Now Alexander Ivanovich knows why. Representatives of the financial and economic bloc of government in Russia have recently been actively complaining that migrants from Central Asia have become expensive – they've taken over the service sector, leaving no one available for heavy physical labor or construction. But instead of somehow redirecting existing migration flows to areas where labor is truly needed, officials lobbying for the interests of the business elite are starting to think about new directions and attracting additional foreign workers. And so our capitalism is already starting to look for ways to fill this gap: let's import Pakistanis, let's bring them from some poor African country. And next in line is assistance with migration to brotherly Pakistan, with its 240 million inhabitants living under Sharia law.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: Komsomol

Who authorized this? The ruling party is actively lobbying for all of this. Everyone remembers how United Russia leader Vladimir Vasilyev, also known as Alik Abdualievich Asanbayev, made a frank confession, declaring that the mass influx of migrants (with all the attendant consequences) into Russia was organized by the ruling regime to help "the brothers out of a sense of allied duty."

Could you be more specific? You're always using these vague terms—"ruling regime," "ruling party," and so on. Do these ruling regimes and parties have names?

[bk0010]

Quote: Chack Wessel

Do these ruling regimes and parties have names?

Oh, what, you don't know? Well, look at the websites of the relevant organizations and agencies. Or are you trying to frame the commenter for the article?

[Fan-fan]

It's scary to write down last names; you could end up in jail. Look at Navalny, who wrote down last names, and where is he? The law came down harshly and immediately against him, because he was the one threatening those very same people. And migrants pose a threat only to ordinary Russians.

[your1970]

Quote: Fan-Fan

It's scary to write down names; you could end up in jail. Look at Navalny, who wrote down names, and where is he? The law came down hard and fast against him, because he was the one threatening those very names.

There was such a revolutionary - Simon Arshakovich Ter-Petrosyan, nickname Kamo.
He had 4( FOUR!!!) death sentences, and in between - simulation and treatment in a mental hospital in Germany (at a time when the easiest treatment was a sudden dousing with ice water).
Here such people could overthrow ANY power - and the current ones SELF-LOVERS They won't go to the tower for the people.
And everything will be like in the joke
" - and realistic?
- and the realistic one is that the Martians will arrive and fix everything for us! "(C)

[Vlad Baryatinsky]

You know it yourself. And the text is TOO short.

[Guest]

The whole party is doing this there. Type "we don't vote" into a search engine.
The latest development is that the State Duma has refused to restrict the amount of money migrants can take out of the country.

United Russia has chosen a cunning tactic in the State Duma.
https://news.rambler.ru/politics/55599480

[WIS]

Who authorized this? The ruling party is actively lobbying for all of this.

______

Quote: Chack Wessel

Can you be more specific?

Why do you have such an undisguised attachment to immigrants in Russia?

[PavelT]

This Vladimir Vasiliev, how did he change his name from (or to?) Alik Abdualievich Asanbaev??? Where did this information come from? Are there any documents showing his name change?

As for his "argument", he is simply incredibly idiotic.

"Our allied duty and fraternal relations opened the doors to migrants so they could somehow channel this volatile youth environment to us."

- Yeah, so that the explosive youth would explode not in their place, but in ours?! Why?

It would be as if, before the civil war in Syria began, Putin (yet another of our accidental "allys") had suddenly stopped us to take the "explosive Syrian youth" (future ISIS members) back to Russia, so that Syria wouldn't explode...

[Revolver]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Is this some kind of friendship between peoples?

Liberals and globalists are outraged that Trump has launched a purge of illegal immigrants in the country, and in particular in Minneapolis, targeting Somalis (a local peculiarity) and the ubiquitous Latinos, who have become particularly numerous there compared to the overall national population. Meanwhile, the local democrats are trying to shield illegal immigrants from federal authorities, handing out food stamps (though a federal program, it is administered locally by states and/or cities), free Medicaid health insurance (again a federal program, but administered locally by states and/or cities), and issuing driver's licenses. Licenses are a special case – in America, there are far fewer road signs than in Europe, but there are plenty of notices about what drivers are supposed to do and not do in a given place, naturally in English, which most illegal immigrants don't speak very well. That's why the news regularly reports fatal accidents caused by migrants who don't speak the language but got their licenses in oppressive states. Often, they lack insurance, leaving the victims without any compensation or medical expenses (which often amounts to tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars).

[P]

Who, who? The ruling class, which owns production, banks, and the state. Migrants not only generate profits for their direct employers, but also drive down prices in the country's largest market, the labor market, allowing them to squeeze additional profits out of ALL the country's workers. This is facilitated not only by the janitor or driver hired for pennies, but also by the unemployed migrant, willing to take any penny-paying job.

[your1970]

Quote: Pandemic

an unemployed migrant willing to take any penny-worth of work

The dollar exchange rate has long made it unprofitable for them to work for pennies; 100 dollars before the 2020s was 2,5 times cheaper than today's – they only need dollars in their homeland; rubles are not needed there.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Who authorized the import of migrant family members into Russia?

United Russia, which won a majority in the State Duma by hook or by crook, can independently pass any laws pleasing to the bourgeoisie who installed it...
The people's representatives (if any come to the State Duma) will have a lot of work to do in determining the legality of already adopted laws...

[seacap]

Where will they (the Nord deputies) come from? The political field has been "cleaned to a shine," the percentages supposedly assigned to parties have been determined, the so-called Electoral Commission is in the reliable hands of an unprincipled, controlled, broken old woman, a once active and seemingly honest Komsomol member, authoritative patriots and statists have been eliminated or condemned, or at the very least, "blocked and forgotten," the so-called rights and freedoms of the so-called people have been annulled.

[ARIONkrsk]

Quote: The same Lech

Clause 3 of Article 98 and Clause 4 of Article 98, members of the EAEU “must provide family members of workers

Who authorized the import of migrant family members into Russia?
The children of these migrants now carry air pistols and traumatic pistols and practice shooting at women and children of indigenous Russians.
Now, in the homeland of these migrants, they are also demanding that these little animals be treated for free.
What the hell is going on in Russia?
A 16-year-old Azerbaijani migrant student hit a teacher in the head with a hammer at our school...and now some people are demanding that this bastard be rehabilitated instead of punished.
What's going on with justice in Russia???
Is this some kind of friendship between peoples?
I am speechless with outrage at such lawlessness.

As far as I know, the United Russia party was against the ban on the import of migrants, against the ban on free medical treatment for them, and against paid education for their children in school.

[Non-fighter]

Why then were laws passed that give migrants an advantage over us Russians?
How much tax does an employer pay for us, Russians, and how much for a migrant?
In general, the basis of capitalism is the privatization of profits and the nationalization of costs.

[Gardamir]

Good question! Indeed, it would seem to be all profit. But there's no profit in importing migrants, especially since the state spends billions on supporting migrants.
So they're not making any money from this, but they stubbornly continue to import ants. Could it be that someone outside is paying officials to destroy the country?

[Kotofeich]

Quote: Gardamir

But there is no profit in importing,

There are also huge profits, but not for us, but for, say, construction companies. Skyscrapers are springing up like mushrooms in Moscow. Who's working on the construction sites? Cheap labor.

[Gardamir]

If only they were going to construction sites. But they're spreading everywhere. They're working in markets, taxis, hair salons, and opening their own shops. Many, after working on one construction site, give up the grimy business and look for other jobs.
After all, we don’t know the real population figures in Russia.

[mz]

Quote: Not the fighter

Why then were laws passed that give migrants an advantage over us Russians?
How much tax does an employer pay for us, Russians, and how much for a migrant?
In general, the basis of capitalism is the privatization of profits and the nationalization of costs.

In general, I share your indignation, but I will still correct you: the employer does not pay anything for you (he certainly pays something for himself), you pay all taxes and fees (from the money you earn), the employer only transfers them.

[AA17]

Who authorized the import of migrant family members into Russia?

It’s ridiculous. Very funny.

You, Alexey, voted for this resolution when you were choosing the lesser of two evils.
And now you are indignant.

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated December 09.10.2007, 1351 No. XNUMX
On approval of the Concept of demographic policy of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2025

...In order to compensate for the natural population decline resulting from a possible decline in the birth rate, efforts to attract working-age immigrants to the Russian Federation for permanent residence must be intensified.

By 2025 it is expected:
ensure a gradual increase in the population (including through replacement migration) to 145 million people; ....

Ensure migration growth of more than 300 people annually...

http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/bank/26299/page/1

Key words in the Decree:
- intensify efforts to attract people to permanent positions.
- replacement migration.

President Vladimir Putin signed a law on Russia's adoption of the Charter of the International Organization for Migration (IOM), which facilitates the organized movement of migrants and refugees. The document was published on the official legal information website.

More details in PG: https://www.pnp.ru/politics/putin-podpisal-zakon-o-priniatii-rossiey-ustava-mezhdunarodnoy-organizacii-po-migracii.html

[RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich]

Same lech
(Alexey)

Strange questions and outrage from you. Who did you vote for? Given the current state of affairs, we'll have to accept the fact that Russians will be destroyed and replaced worldwide, along with their culture and so on. Your profile picture shows a merchant flag; it's a cynical business and nothing personal. Ah, unfortunately...

[Same lech]

Yes, I voted for him...and I don’t hide it.
But I did not make such wishes regarding the uncontrolled import of migrants and their children to the candidate for power.
And now I believe that the representative of power in Russia whom I elected is doing a terrible job of fulfilling his duties... such decisions are detrimental to the country and the people as a whole.
And I will not put up with this...because we are talking about the safety of my family and millions of other families in our country.

[gromila78]

Now live with the consequences of your choice. You need to look not at words, but at deeds. It's written in the Gospel, even though I'm an atheist.

[Metallurg_2]

He wasn't elected by you, but by representatives of oligarchic capital. You were merely granted permission by the highest authority to tick a box on the ballot.
Mark Twain also said: if anything depended on elections, we wouldn’t be allowed to participate in them.

[MrFox]

Simplicity is worse than theft, as they say among the people

[Same lech]

Really...the people elected this government...there is no need to fool the communists into thinking it's the people.

[Blacksmith 55]

The fairest solution should sound like this: Separated - live at your own expense.

[dmi.pris1]

The one you regularly vote for. So there's no point in being outraged. You need to look in the mirror. And not blame the good tsar and the bad boyars.

[Same lech]

And I look in the mirror and am indignant...someone suggests that I keep quiet...it was my choice.

[dmi.pris1]

I'm not suggesting you keep quiet. Simply, either take off the cross or put on some underwear.

[g_ae]

Let the deputies and senators pay for this entire festival of generosity. And they'll be feeding the Duma and the Federation Council pilaf to their hearts' content, since they can't live without pilaf festivals.

[Ban Zai]

I woke up and justice was long gone.

[Same lech]

There is justice...it cannot not exist...otherwise the world would have turned into anarchy long ago.

[BSD Fan]

The most interesting thing is that the above points speak about EMERGENCY medical care and refer to Appendix 30, which states the following:
"5. In the event of continued treatment of a patient in a medical organization (healthcare institution) of the state of employment after the immediate threat to his life or the health of others has been eliminated, payment for the actual cost of the services rendered shall be made directly by the patient or from other sources not prohibited by the legislation of the state of employment, at tariffs or contractual prices."

[Belisarius]

As the unforgettable "father of democratic Russia," A.B. Chubais, used to say, the main thing is to create irreversibility. And the Russian authorities are doing this brilliantly in all spheres of life, particularly in the area of ​​migration and replacing the rapidly declining indigenous population.
The author (who often writes about this issue) asks, "Perhaps relations with the Central Asian republics should be reconsidered?" But how should they be reconsidered? What ideas, exactly, are there based on the current state of affairs? And who will do it? The same people who brought about the current situation? The mass influx of migrants is happening primarily because it is very profitable for officials, businesses, inspectors, etc.—in other words, for all the "Russian Federation elites." Why would they "reconsider" all this?
So, no one will seriously reconsider anything. Propaganda is another matter; if the Russian authorities manage to escape the SVO, migrants will be declared the main enemy. In fact, this topic is already being actively promoted in the media, and preparations are underway. Meanwhile, the authorities themselves will continue to import them without a second thought.

[P]

Without a change in the ruling class this will not be revised

[Belisarius]

Quote: Pandemic

Without a change in the ruling class this will not be revised

True, but we should rather talk about the ruling group; strictly speaking, they can't be called a class. They lack bourgeois self-awareness.
But that's not all I'm talking about. The essence of creating "irreversible" situations, as Chubais puts it, is that even if this gang is asked to leave, they will still create problems (in all spheres of life) that won't disappear on their own and will be difficult for any government to solve.
The problem with migrants can be solved in two ways
1) Like in the USSR, when no one could have imagined such a thing even in their wildest dreams. But this requires the restoration of the entire Soviet social structure, which in itself is extremely difficult.
2) A simpler approach: expel illegal migrants, disband the diaspora, and provide normal conditions for legal migrants, but without instant citizenship, with employers being held accountable (as in the UAE).
However, a host of problems will arise here: entire sectors of the economy will be left without personnel or with a critical shortage of them, what to do with those who have already received Russian citizenship, etc. All of this can be resolved, but it will be like withdrawal, like a drug addict's.

[smart fellow]

It's not the Kyrgyz who are brazen, but Russia's "imperial" policy. The executors of this policy are the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and a number of well-known political figures, including members of parliament. That's why the Kyrgyz are demanding money, the Azerbaijanis are agitated because they believe they are self-sufficient and no worse than the Russians, and the Kazakhs are quietly doing business with China, the EU, Japan, South Korea, and now the US.
In addition, Russia is implementing a project in Kyrgyzstan to build nine comprehensive schools between 2024 and 2027 (or 2029), investing $500 million. Each school is designed for 1,200 students. This is despite the fact that by 2024, more than 3,400 schools in Russia lacked running water, 3,900 lacked sewerage, and approximately 3,500 schools were not connected to central heating.

[P]

A broken school in a village means new impoverished internal migrants in big cities. A built school in Kyrgyzstan means new impoverished foreign migrants in big cities, taught the language and numeracy. And the fact that they will fight and agree to increasingly bare incomes means both profit and security for the wormy ruling class.

[Dimy4]

And this is despite the fact that in Russia by 2024, more than 3,4 thousand schools did not have running water, and 3,9 thousand did not have sewerage, about 3,5 thousand schools are not connected to central heating.

I don't give a shit about our schools, we don't want to produce smart people.

[Sergey28]

"Russia needs an influx of migrants for its economic development, and it is necessary to get rid of the harmful barriers that hinder this process," said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/715832

[vkfriendly]

Quote: Sergey28

said Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Everyone understands that migrant workers are needed, but not their family members; this should be completely banned, as in the UAE, for example.

[Stas157]

Quote: vkfriendly

Migrant workers are needed This is clear to everyone

I do not understand.

How did the USSR manage without migrants? There was no unemployment in the USSR. Everyone worked. The labor shortage was objectively much higher than in the Russian Federation. However, the USSR didn't import foreign migrants. Tell me how Russia managed without migrants for a thousand years, and now can't? The lie about the need for migrants is intended to legitimately import them.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Stas157

I do not understand.

If it's unclear, it's worth looking at demographic statistics. Read about labor productivity, competitiveness, production costs, budgets, and the availability of goods and services, how they're all interconnected, and the differences between a social economy and a capitalist economy. Then you'll lose the urge to write nonsense comparing the USSR of fifty years ago to today's Russia.

[bk0010]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Then there will be no desire to write nonsense about comparing the USSR of fifty years ago and today's Russia.

Well, that is to say, there's nothing to object to. Within 50 years, automation should have eliminated the labor shortage (for an effective government).

[Stas157]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

write nonsense

What you wrote is nonsense. After the most devastating war, World War II, there was a huge demographic decline. The male population was decimated. The country potentially lost 30 million workers. And yet, it got by just fine without the migrant workers you're all championing here.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Stas157

What you wrote is nonsense. After the most devastating war, World War II, there was a huge demographic decline. The male population was decimated. The country potentially lost 30 million workers. And yet, it got by just fine without the migrant workers you're all championing here.

The population was still growing by inertia back then. That's one. The loss of around 30 million people was a devastating blow to the USSR's economy. That's two. So don't talk about it as if it were a trivial matter. These losses, among other factors, ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR.

[Kmet]

And also look at the statistics at least on the current results of losses and the number of acquired disabilities in the SVO, but the public will not know these statistics, at least not in the near future.

[Evgeny_4]

There are almost no migrants in the Republic of Belarus.
I saw them a couple of times during my week in Minsk.

[your1970]

Quote: Stas157

However, the USSR did not import foreign migrants. You

Hmm, were Moldova or Tajikistan foreign countries during the USSR??? Oh, and where did the Moldovans, Chechens, Armenians, and Koreans in the Saratov region come from in the 1950s and 1960s?
Kurds from the village of Gavrilovka in the Dzhizhak district - who moved to the Saratov region in the 1970s??
Where did "LimitA" come from in Moscow during the USSR?

[Stas157]

Quote: your1970

Hmm, were Moldova or Tajikistan foreign states during the USSR???

Firstly, these weren't migrants, but citizens of the USSR. And we're talking about migrants.
Secondly, those Tajiks were rebuilding Tajikistan. They were never present in large numbers in central Russia, as they are now. And believe me, they left behind quite a significant legacy.

[your1970]

Quote: Stas157

Firstly, these weren't migrants, but citizens of the USSR. And we're talking about migrants.

So when the citizens of the USSR - the Kurds - came to us in the 1970s - they were citizens of the USSR, we should love them, but now they are like "oh, the blackness!!" ????
Moldovans, Koreans, Chechens are here - oh, that's not a joke! Back in the 1950s-1970s, they didn't want to work in their own country, but flocked to us.
They rebuilt Tajikistan, and in the Saratov and Samara regions.

Compared to the Kurds, the Roma are like Germans with their "Ordnung" and "Arbat." Knowing them, I'm not at all surprised that the Turks, Syrians, Jews, and Persians living nearby are all trying to exterminate them.
And we were fine - we lived and didn't worry, the USSR wasn't some kind of capitalists, right?
90% of oil specialists in the Soviet North were from Dagestan. They probably built villages...

[Stas157]

Quote: your1970

That is, when citizens of the USSR - the Kurds - came to us in the 1970s

What are you all talking nonsense about? There was no invasion like this. Not at all. You should know that! And there were no Muslim migrants to the USSR. They weren't brought in! And back then, Muscovites still lived in Moscow.

[your1970]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: your1970

That is, when citizens of the USSR - the Kurds - came to us in the 1970s

What are you all talking nonsense about? There was no invasion like this. Not at all. You should know that! And there were no Muslim migrants to the USSR. They weren't brought in! And back then, Muscovites still lived in Moscow.

Yeah, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Kazakhs, Vietnamese, Koreans, and all sorts of "limita" from the USSR - all purebred Muscovites.
When industrialization began, there was the first wave of mass importation of slave labor to Moscow, then under Khrushchev, then under Lena...
This is clearly visible on the growth maps of Moscow - the periods of its heaving.
And yes, I repeat: can you distinguish our Kazakh whose great-grandfather was born here from an imported one? Or from our native Buryat?

As long as the money is in Moscow, everyone will continue to go there for shifts. Ours and others—everyone...
And more

Quote: your1970

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Of course, I live in a rural area and don't see a single migrant. Everything is done by Russian hands: cleaning, construction, etc.

I was in Moscow last August.
In the metro, where on my last visit 5 years ago it was packed and dark, now it was quite free and there was practically no darkness.
Rush hours, very busy transfer stations

[UA3QHP]

However, the USSR did not import foreign migrants.

I brought Vietnamese people to Voronezh, for example.

[dmi.pris1]

Of course, I live in a rural area and don't see a single migrant. Everything is done by Russian hands: cleaning, construction, etc.

[your1970]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Of course, I live in a rural area and don't see a single migrant. Everything is done by Russian hands: cleaning, construction, etc.

I was in Moscow last August.
In the metro, where on my last visit 5 years ago it was packed and dark, now it was quite free and there was practically no darkness.
Rush hours, very busy transfer stations

[snow mountain]

Quote: Sergey28

Russia needs an influx of migrants for its economic development.

There are migrants, but no economic development!

[Kmet]

So, if the "economy" is based solely on trade in basic raw materials, it's not much of an "economy," but what kind is it? What do we actually produce well and in large quantities besides weapons? Do we export anything? What goods? Grain, perhaps? What about potatoes? Milk? Pork or beef? In what quantities? Any technical or technological products? What is the per capita supply of consumer goods produced in the Russian Federation? Industry has been destroyed or bought out for pennies—everything the population buys from ordinary household appliances is imported, and not only that... That's reality. And migrants... they are needed to pay VAT on goods (everything is clearly visible on receipts), which they must consume in Russian stores—that's all there is to it. The taxpayer has no nationality and, in principle, is neither needed nor interested in it—this is the main reason for the mass imports, because... Migrants don't want to work on construction sites; the labor there is hard. If they do show up at a construction site, they quickly run away and go to markets to trade or drive taxis. What kind of economic development is this? There is no product of their labor, except for the "services" sector, but even the US ended up in debt in the form of loan bonds in this "sphere" (75% of their GDP is in the service sector and only about 23% in industry). Russia has successfully copied this system and, in all likelihood, continues to develop it, but this will end very sadly unless we get our heads together and start developing our own industry and agriculture. The USSR was self-sufficient in everything, including food, and the new Russia buys potatoes from Egypt and China... a market economy. Therefore, young specialists have nowhere to work and gain experience, so they leave their homeland... not all, of course, but many. And here they are importing highly qualified ones... Well, well... our problems are still ahead... The Spiritual Directorate of Muslims is working successfully.

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Sergey28

Russia needs an influx of migrants for its economic development, and it is necessary to get rid of the harmful barriers that hinder this process," said Russian President Vladimir Putin.

1. You took the quote out of context.
2. Putin has repeatedly raised the issue of Russians living abroad who wish to return to their homeland. However, there is no place for Russians in our country....
3. Ethnic emigrants from Central Asian countries (former Soviet Union countries) easily obtain both the right to work and citizenship.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

You took the quote out of context.

I read the whole thing. Where was it taken out of context? I didn't understand how it was taken out of context.

Quote: Boris55

2. Putin has repeatedly raised the issue of Russians living abroad who wish to return to their homeland. However, there is no place for Russians in our country....
3. Ethnic emigrants from Central Asian countries (former Soviet Union countries) easily obtain both the right to work and citizenship.

Let me guess - DAM and Duma are to blame for everything?
Here's a list of laws vetoed by the President... and they don't contradict the Constitution. How so? After all, according to you, Putin can't do that.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Право_вето_Президента_России#Президентство_Путина_Владимира_Владимировича_(первый,_второй_срок)

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Let me guess - DAM and Duma are to blame for everything?

That's right!

What would it cost the Duma (DAM) to pass a law establishing a migrant quota and their length of stay in the country? It would take practically three clicks of the "YES" button.
However, Medvedev does not do this.

The country's domestic policy is shaped by Vlasov's Medvedev.

ps
The link is unclear. Please be more specific.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

The link is unclear. Please be more specific.

Regarding laws that do not contradict the Constitution, which were blocked by the President, you always said that he cannot simply block a draft law if it does not contradict the Constitution, that he does not have such an opportunity - so I presented you with several laws that, in your opinion, he could not block in any way, but they were nevertheless blocked, and no one cared about DAM and United Russia.

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

that can't simply block the bill

Putin receives not draft laws, but laws adopted by the Duma and approved by the Federation Council.

The President, as the guarantor of the Constitution, is obliged not to pass laws that contradict it.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I provided you with several laws that, in your opinion, he could not block in any way.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to reread the entire Wiki, where anyone can edit the text as they please. Again, please check the link.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

I have neither the time nor the inclination to reread the entire Wiki, where anyone can edit the text. Again, please check the link.

What, you can't believe your eyes? I'm checking the links... Will TASS work for you? It's an official government agency. There are three laws in the link, and none of them state that they violate the Constitution.
https://tass.ru/info/11686519
An example from there. On December 11, 2012, Putin rejected the bill "On Amendments to the Federal Law "On the Skolkovo Innovation Center," adopted by deputies and senators, concerning the improvement of legal regulation of the activities related to the creation and functioning of the innovation center, including in terms of urban development and design. The authors of the document were State Duma deputies of the sixth convocation from United Russia: Sergei Zheleznyak, Oleg Savchenko, Lyudmila Ogorodova, Valery Ivanov, and Sergei Krivonosov. The bill was adopted by the lower house on December 23, 2012, and approved by the Federation Council on November 28, 2012. The head of state, vetoing the law, explained that the text did not define the criteria and indicators for assessing the effectiveness of Skolkovo's activities. Moreover, the law "raises doubts about the legality of granting" the management company the right to approve urban development policy standards. On January 24, 2018, the document was finally withdrawn from parliamentary consideration.

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

none of them indicate that it violates the Constitution

What's bothering you? The law was crude (it was stated exactly how) and required revision. The President fulfilled the requirements of the Constitution and his duties. Please note the last three points.

Article 80.
Clause 2. The President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. In the manner established by the Constitution of the Russian Federation, he takes measures
- to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation,
- its independence and
- state integrity,
- maintains civil peace and
- consent in the country,
- ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of bodies that are part of the unified system of public authority.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

The President has fulfilled the requirements of the Constitution. Please note the last two points.

Oh, what? Are they trying to twist things around? Nowhere in the reviews is there any mention of it being unconstitutional. And if, as you say, there is a contradiction, then you can simply reject any law if you don't like it. I know from experience that you can find in any law an insufficient description, an incomplete list, or a catalogue, and you can FOREVER refuse to sign them, legally, as unconstitutional, as was done with the laws in my links. Besides, there's a reference there to simply considering it inappropriate—where's the Constitution mentioned?

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

oh how... did they start twisting?

Study the Constitution and you'll be happy. This doesn't mean I'm a fan of this constitution. Quite the opposite. But lawlessness (in Ukraine) is a thousand times worse than a bad law.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

Study the Constitution and you'll be happy. This doesn't mean I'm a fan of this constitution. Quite the opposite. But lawlessness (in Ukraine) is a thousand times worse than a bad law.

And as for the departure from specific laws, don't assume for the President, none of them state that they contradict the Constitution and therefore weren't adopted... It says there's no list, no criteria, we don't think it's appropriate - where is the contradiction to the Constitution in this? In the description of the refusal - the President didn't see them and didn't write them down, but Boris did... Do you know better than the President what contradicts and what doesn't?

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

where is the contradiction with the Constitution in this?

It is written in the Constitution in his duties:
"- supports civil peace and
- consent in the country,
- ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of bodies that are part of the unified system of public authority."

This law created confusion in government. The deputies agreed with it and took no further action...

You alone disagree.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

You alone disagree.

1. I'll repeat again: the President didn't point out the constitutionality, citing other reasons, but Boris believes it contradicts the Constitution. It turns out you're the only one who sees the contradiction; even the President doesn't.
2. And then another question: how did the law on raising the retirement age pass? In your opinion, it doesn't contradict the Constitution, but these others do, because they didn't expand some of the criteria?
3. You know, Boris, everyone except you understands that the Duma has no power. in fact I even provided you with laws with a veto over the President, where he sent United Russia, but it seems you are the only one standing there, like a true monarchist, against the facts.

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: 2 level advisor

1. I repeat once again, the President did not point out any contradiction with the Constitution.

Foreseen is responsible not only for compliance with the norms of the Constitution, but also:

- to protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation,
- its independence and
- state integrity,
- maintains civil peace and
- consent in the country,
- ensures the coordinated functioning and interaction of bodies that are part of the unified system of public authority.

That's all.

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

2. And then another question: how did the law on raising the retirement age pass? In your opinion, it doesn't contradict the Constitution.

No, it doesn't. Read Article 55 of the Constitution.
Clause 3. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited by federal law only to the extent that this is necessary for the purpose of protecting the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of other persons, ensuring the country's defense and state security.

This Law was adopted in the interests of others. As we can see, the Constitution allows for this.

[Boris55]

V.V. Putin is my president. He is a Bolshevik!

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

The Duma has de facto power over the President

Yes. Both the Duma and the President received their powers from the people. In this sense, they are equal. But it is the Duma that shapes domestic policy.

[seamen2]

*You're the only one who disagrees. Laughing*

Judging by the number of downvotes you've received, he's not the only one.
It's funny to see you spinning around trying to wash a black dog white.

[Gardamir]

I'm asking for the hundredth time. If your idol can't do anything, then what good is he? At least Medvedev defeated Georgia in five days, and...

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Gardamir

At least Medvedev defeated Georgia in five days

Don't make me laugh! While they were killing our peacekeepers, they couldn't find him for 24 hours. The only thing he did was stop us from entering Tbilisi and changing the government!

Putin urgently returned from the Beijing Olympics and organized a rebuff to the aggressor. It was Putin who won the war, not Medvedev!

What's good about it? It solves domestic problems through foreign policy.

[Gardamir]

So Medvedev prevented us from entering Tbilisi, but Putin returned and entered? And what happened today?

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Gardamir

And Putin came back and entered?

At that time, Putin was merely prime minister, and Medvedev was president. In other words, Putin was Medvedev's subordinate.

[Gardamir]

You're a comedian. Just above, you wrote that President Medvedev didn't want to do anything. But the returning head of government, who obeys the president, suddenly went and won.

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Gardamir

You're a comedian. Just above, you wrote that President Medvedev didn't want to do anything.

I also wrote above that Medvedev could not be found for 24 hours.

Sorkazi flew in, hit Medvedev on the head, and he, waking up from his slumber, together with the French president, stopped Putin.

[Gardamir]

Do you think Medvedev and Macron would have been enough for me in 2018 to stop Putin from raising the retirement age?

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Gardamir

stop Putin from raising the retirement age?

1. The IMF demanded an increase in the retirement age.
2. Medvedev prepared a bill.
3. The Duma, controlled by Medvedev, accepted it (Volodin);
4. The Federation Council approved it (Matvienko).
5. Putin, not finding any contradictions with the Constitution (Article 55, paragraph 3), signed it;
6. The media published the Law. And only after that did the Law come into force.

I have a question for you: who put it into your head that the fifth person in line is to blame, and not the first, not the second, not the third, and not even the fourth?

[Gardamir]

Even Article 55, paragraph 2 of the law has been reduced.
And how does raising the retirement age protect the foundations of the constitutional order?
Finally, what good is Putin to you if he is fifth everywhere?

[Boris55]

Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

Quote: Gardamir

And how does raising the retirement age protect the foundations of the constitutional order?

n.3. Rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited federal law only to the extent necessary in order to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, ensuring the country's defense and state security.

Raising the retirement age was in the interests of "other parties." I couldn't find a list of those "other parties."

Quote: Gardamir

Finally, what is good about Putin for you?

Putin influences domestic politics through his global and foreign policies. I've already listed his accomplishments many times. Most importantly, he preserved Russia. For this alone, a monument to him deserves to be erected during his lifetime.

[gromila78]

Tell me, what's stopping him from drafting and submitting a new law on migration to the Duma, if, in addition to raising the issue, he can also propose laws?

[Metallurg_2]

The fact that he is a protégé of oligarchic capital, and capital benefits from all of this.

[123_123]

What's the problem with requiring migrant workers or their employers to purchase voluntary health insurance policies for themselves and their families to obtain work permits and temporary residence permits? The issue is purely organizational and simple. The budget isn't obligated to support them either. On the other hand, you can't leave them without medical care. Therefore, purchasing a policy is the most obvious solution.

[P]

The point is that the state belongs to employers. They'd rather grind people into mincemeat than agree to reduce their profits.

[Stas157]

Quote: 123_123

Therefore, purchasing an insurance policy is the most obvious solution.

Well, they'll buy insurance policies... And we won't be able to get into the clinic at all!

[Non-fighter]

The problem is that we need to give "respected people" a chance to earn money. Have they already forgotten about Russian language testing?

[vkfriendly]

Quote: smart fellow

And this despite the fact that in Russia by 2024, more than 3,4 thousand schools did not have running water, and 3,9 thousand did not have sewerage, and about 3,5 thousand schools were not connected to central heating.

As I understand it, the information is taken from here: https://forum-msk.ru/material/news/19060202.html Are you kidding me by linking to some forum full of liberals and potheads? Even if that's true (which I highly doubt, as this information appears on obscure websites and social media, and there's not a single official confirmation), then imagine a village that never had running water, much less sewerage or central heating. So where would this come from in a school that's wooden and built in the 50s? But where I live, for example, such village schools closed long ago, and the small number of students are transported by school buses to the district center. Especially now, when there's a teacher shortage.

[P]

Of course, closing the school is much better, yeah

[vkfriendly]

Quote: Pandemic

Of course, closing the school is much better, yeah

I wrote about the reason the schools closed. It's easier and more cost-effective to transport the three dozen students of varying ages from villages to the district center. The old schools simply don't comply with safety regulations, fire safety standards, and so on. No one will build new schools in the villages, where the populations are only 100-300 people, and most of them are pensioners.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: vkfriendly

Are you kidding me by linking to some forum where liberals and potheads are jumping around?

Yeah, right before the elections, United Russia will publish the "positive" results of the educational reform and admit that the country still has educational institutions whose construction was planned in the USSR under Stalin...

[vkfriendly]

Quote: ROSS 42

Yeah, right now, right before the elections, United Russia will publish “positive”

So be it. But information, or rather, simply fake news, not officially confirmed by anyone, is a very difficult concept to grasp. The post was written by someone who cited the Ministry of Education, but I only found his information on unrelated forums and social media. Not a single official website published this information, and, by the way, he has already deleted the post I responded to.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: vkfriendly

So be it. But information, or rather, simply fake news not officially confirmed by anyone, is a rather strange concept.

And the Yandex editor issued:

So be it. But information, or rather, simply fake news, not officially confirmed by anyone, is a strange concept.

And this is how the AI ​​responded:

Contents of the response
Perhaps they were referring to data published by the “To Be Precise” project based on documents from the Ministry of Education.
According to estimates for 2024, there were 3,9 schools in Russia without sewerage, 3,4 without running water, and 3,5 without central heating.
The situation was particularly dire in some regions:
Sewage systems: in Tyva, they are present in more than half of schools, followed by Dagestan and Yakutia, where 41% of educational institutions lack adequate toilets.
Central heating: in Tuva - 68%, in Kalmykia - 35%, in Ingushetia - 31%.
In 2022, Education Minister Sergei Kravtsov adopted a plan to modernize 7,3 schools in Russia by the end of 2026.

If we ignore various links, websites, and forums, the Minister of Education's response about the 7,300 schools in need of modernization is more than eloquent.
Don't rush into writing illiterate sentences. It's easy to proofread what you've written now, and it looks more respectable. In short:

[vkfriendly]

Quote: ROSS 42

Don't rush into making illiterate sentences.

"Illiteracy" is when there are spelling errors. You can give yourself a medal for "exposing a Kremlin bot." And yet, even believing what the Minister of Education said, the number of schools still doesn't add up. You have 7.3 thousand schools, while that "writer" has over 10. Because he got his information from a shady forum where it's unclear who writes under the pseudonym A.B., and strange characters with saucepans on their heads are jumping around calling Russians "kakaps."

[Good Evil]

Quote: vkfriendly

Imagine a village that never had running water, much less sewerage or central heating. So where would this come from in a school that's wooden and built in the 50s?

How are these issues resolved in the cottages that have proliferated around every city? Installing a cesspool, a heating boiler, and a water pump isn't a huge budgetary expense if many summer residents are capable of doing such things for themselves. But that's just for themselves; for a school, that's certainly an exorbitant amount. Budget money is spent more productively (for themselves)!

[vkfriendly]

Quote: Good evil

And how are these issues resolved in the cottages that have proliferated around all the cities?

And how do you imagine these schools, for example, in Siberia or the Far East, located hundreds of kilometers from cities? They're probably brick, spacious, and two or three stories tall. Believe me, that's not a lot of schools. They're green wooden barracks built in the 50s. Not only are they dangerous to teach children, but going inside is dangerous because of the fragile structure. So, no matter what, these schools are closing.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: vkfriendly

How do you imagine these schools, for example, in Siberia?

I, for example, can’t imagine them - my son works as a teacher in a boarding school like that...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Good evil

And how are these issues resolved in the cottages that have proliferated around all the cities?

...and even on the shores of Lake Baikal?

[Mazunga]

Reconsider))? Well, well, they're gaining critical mass, and then it's a matter of one night when all these brothers and sisters will go and slaughter the infidels. Remember where the population, often indigenous Russians, went from these republics in the 90s?

[seamen2]

*reconsider))? Well, well, they're gaining critical mass, and then it's a matter of one night when all these brothers and sisters will go and slaughter the infidels. Remember where the population, often indigenous Russians, went from these republics in the 90s?

Or option two. They receive citizenship, elect their own deputies, and gain positions of power. They infiltrate the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where they receive weapons and epaulettes.
This is what D. Demushkin warned about. He was imprisoned, and the *Ethnopolitical Association of Russians* party was declared extremist and banned in 2016.

[Ross xnumx]

Ultimately, relations between Russia and Kyrgyzstan are built on the principle of "You owe us, brother." You owe us a debt for our friendship and alliance. And the saddest thing is that in Russia there doesn’t seem to be much objection to this.

Those in power, those who issue and sign laws, do not object to this, but I, for example, find it unpleasant to live in a village among “non-brothers”...

[Andrey Krutilin]

In Central Asia, during the turbulent 90s, there was ethnic cleansing of Russians. Here's how you can
We had to let millions of migrant workers in from there. No need for revenge. We won't find them.
They won't give them out. Take in Russian speakers from there. All of them. Here are the workers, and
Demographics plus.
It's the business that needs cheap labor, not us. Only migrants are installing
their own laws and change our gene pool.

[Dedok]

Accept Russian speakers from there.

They have been standing in line for citizenship for years without enjoying any privileges...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Andrey Krutilin

Accept Russian speakers from there. All of them.

We simply need a program to resettle Russians from the former republics... But we can't drive this foreign-language army with its hypertrophied ambitions and hypothetical rights out of Moscow...

[Andrey Krutilin]

It's necessary. But who will accept it? Many of our government officials have their money and children there. In the West. They're making the right calls. They're doing just fine as they are.

[Alex 1970]

The best of both worlds, the transformation of Russia into Rusistan is in progress. Ugh...

[north 2]

Two loyal Yeltsinites, Zatulin and Asanbayev, sit very high and firmly in the power structures, and are adherents not only of Yeltsinism, so that there will be no more spirit of Russian imperialism, but also of those whom the Russians taught to take their pants off and defecate sitting down, saying that it is time for them to be equal to the Russian state, moreover, a Russian state that Yeltsin himself chopped off so that the borders of this state of Russian lands were thrown back 400 years, with 20,000,000 Russia-loving Russians and Russian-speaking people abandoned there. And Kyrgyzstan and other Tajiks quickly realized that their desert "states" do not need a large indigenous population. After all, they want to live like in the United Arab Emirates. And the indigenous population there is one, two, and that's it... So they send their excess ballast as migrants to Russia. Moreover, they themselves don't need ballast, not only in quantity but also in quality. They don't need ardent Islamic fundamentalists, nor locust-like mobs with relatives three villages deep. They're off to Russia. There, they'll be met not only by the leaders of the diaspora clan, but also by the "most caring" Kremlin officials and their party protégés—colleagues in the regions and republics of the Russian Federation. And you're going to deny that, with such an anti-imperial policy for Russia, in forty years, Russians will already be a minority in Russia?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: north 2

two loyal Yeltsinites, Zatulin and Asanbaev sit very high and firmly in power structures

And who is it that put them there? In Russia, under Yeltsin and the State Migration Service, the most soulless, cynical scum with mediocre knowledge and inflated ambitions have wormed their way into power, which is why we currently have a vacuum among candidates for positions of power...

[tralflot1832]

You can't please Muscovites - first the "limit" people came, and now the Kyrgyz. Have you tried working for them, for their salary? About 12 hours each.

[Ross xnumx]

Andrew!
Muscovites didn't like something about your criticism. And is it really necessary to meddle with your own rules in the Moscow "monastery"? It's a country of its own, full of bureaucrats, culture, office workers, and bloggers... Menial, unskilled labor isn't for them. Moscow used to attract provincial youth, but today, only migrant workers from the former Soviet republics want to go to Moskvabad... And they won't work 12-hour shifts, even for a LOT of money...

[Stas157]

Quote: tralflot1832

You can't please Muscovites

There are no Muscovites left there.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: tralflot1832

Have you tried working in their place, for their salary?

So, brutally exploiting migrants is the norm? Cutting wages and working conditions for locals by bringing in migrants is the norm? Our capitalists desperately need money for caviar, yachts, and castles in France, you see. But ordinary Russians have to toil for pennies, a hole in their pockets, and spirituality and patriotism. Am I right?

[tralflot1832]

Of course you're right, there are no Russians willing to work in low-status jobs. The limit has been reached.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: tralflot1832

Of course you're right, there are no Russians willing to work in low-status jobs. The limit has been reached.

With turbo guards like these, you don't need any enemies.

[tralflot1832]

I sailed until retirement, waiting for the shipowners to start yelling. They started yelling in January – there aren't enough personnel to work on ships, both at sea and in the river fleet. And the salaries aren't bad, but the bureaucracy is getting on my nerves – especially the "officers." Where can you not find our sailors these days? The most popular jobs for migrants are construction sites, wholesalers, retailers, and housing and communal services management companies. And it all depends on the governor.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: tralflot1832

In January, they howled - there are not enough personnel to work on ships, both at sea and in the river fleet.

This had been predictable for a long time. But the turbo-security guards sang about "the courtyards are filled with cars" and other achievements like relatively affordable housing with mortgages, well-stocked store shelves amid high oil prices and the absence of sanctions. But now autumn has arrived in the economy, and things are a bit sad. It's becoming increasingly difficult for the security guards to sing about the correctness of the current path to a bright capitalist future.

Quote: tralflot1832

Migrants are most favored in construction, wholesale, retail, and housing and utilities management companies. And it all depends on the governor.

They don't love migrants there, but the money they make from exploiting them.

[Million]

Perhaps relations with Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan should be reconsidered?

There is no one to review it.

[Dedok]

Perhaps relations with Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan should be reconsidered?

What do you want to rewatch?
For them, we are a place where we owe them something because they DO NOT LEAVE all sorts of stillborn organizations...
What to rewatch?
Remove these organizations? - but what will you do with the officials sent there for food?
They can't even hammer a nail into a wall...
so all questions are not for them, but for us...

[Sergey_K]

Yes, for God's sake, of course we should give it to everyone... but only after FULL ADVANCE PAYMENT, before crossing our border. Let them travel with their compulsory medical insurance paid for for the entire period of their stay here!

[tralflot1832]

Quote: ROSS 42

And they won't work 12 hours a day even for a LOT of money...

In the summer, they run to work by 8:00 a.m. and after 20:00 p.m. they barely crawl to the dorm after work. Something like that, their "path" passed by where I work. They also once called me a "limita" in Moscow, so I let loose. They completely confused "limita" with a sailor "foreign swimmer" whose entire ass is covered in barnacles.

[Ross xnumx]

Currently, there has been no official response to the lawsuit from Kyrgyzstan or Russian authorities. Officials are generally trying to avoid the issue.

We need to vote for those who resolve issues with migrants, who put the interests of the Russian people—the nation that forms the foundation of our state—first...

[Sergey28]

First, we need to "find" the statists, like V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin. Now (and for the last 40 years), the people in power are politicians, not even politicians, who couldn't care less about the country, much less its population. And the geostrategist, as someone pointed out above, has, through great effort, cleaned the political landscape until it shines. And the show under the guise of "elections" has long since discredited itself; the DEG alone is worth a look. I am in no way calling for anyone to give up on attending events to express the will of the people (I regularly go to the ballot box and cast my paper ballot), however, listen to the classics: "If anything depended on elections, we would not be allowed to participate in them" (c) M. Twain, and my favorite saying regarding the powers that be in modern Russia: "Power is a drug; once tried, you are poisoned by it forever" (c) W. Churchill.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Sergey28

First, you need to "find" statists, such as V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin. Now (and for the last 40 years), the people in power are politicians, not even politicians, who don't give a damn about the country, much less its people.

I'm afraid there might be only a few of them left, and true statists who prioritize the principles of social equality might disappear altogether. Forty years of the GMS-EBN-and other lawlessness that can't even be called statehood—what kind of statehood is this when the country's resources and wealth are divided among like-minded individuals? It was rightly said that they are doing everything possible, but the result is disgusting to watch these actions without shame. Consider just one aspect:

Gold mining in Russia is carried out by companies and enterprises across various regions of the country. Russia's gold mining industry is a key sector of the national economy, encompassing exploration, extraction, processing, and sales of gold. In 2024, gold production in Russia amounted to approximately 330 tonnes (an increase of 5,3% compared to 2023).
Company
Some companies involved in gold mining in Russia:
Polyus is the largest gold mining company in Russia, specializing in gold exploration, production, and processing. It owns a portfolio of assets, including the Olimpiada deposit and one of the world's largest undeveloped deposits, Sukhoi Log.
Polymetal is a company engaged in the mining of precious metals, including gold and silver. In 2023, the company's Russian assets produced approximately 31,3 tons of gold.
Pavlik is a company developing the Pavlik gold deposit of the same name in the Magadan Region. In 2023, Pavlik produced 9,3 tons of gold.
Yuzhno-Gazpromskoye (UGK) is one of the largest gold mining companies in Russia, ranking among the top 10 companies in terms of production. Mining is conducted in the Chelyabinsk Region, Krasnoyarsk Krai, and Khakassia.
Seligdar specializes in gold mining in Yakutia.

So where does this gold go? Here's where:
Some features of regulation:
- Extraction is carried out only on the basis of a license.
- The owner of the illegally mined precious metals and precious stones is the Russian Federation.
- Extracted metals and stones are offered by mining entities first to a specially authorized federal body, and then to the bodies of the subjects.
What kind of regional bodies can manage national wealth?
What about oil, gas, and electricity? How much electricity do the power plants built by the bourgeoisie generate?
First they milk the cow, and then they slaughter it for meat... They are doing roughly the same thing to our country.
Look at the Forbes lists for Russia and you'll find many interesting details, from the presence of State Duma deputies and Federation Council members to interesting investors. The Kremlin serves their interests, which is why the Russian state is ravaged by theft, corruption, inflation, and lawlessness.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Sergey28

To begin with, it is necessary to “find” the statists, which were V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin.

Statists again? Do you have a fetish for the state or something? You should at least read a little bit of what Marxists wrote about the state.

[Sergey28]

So, tell me (in brief), a complete ignoramus, the contents of "The Communist Manifesto," "State and Revolution," "Karl Marx," "Critique of the Gotha Program," and also V.I. Lenin's speech at the 11th Congress. Because we're not from around here...

[Owl]

A change in legislation is needed: officially get a job, officially pay taxes for 5 years – receive compulsory medical insurance, fill the Russian budget – use state medical services.

[seacap]

Where will they (the Nord deputies) come from? The political field has been "cleaned to a shine," the percentages supposedly assigned to parties have been determined, the so-called Electoral Commission is in the reliable hands of an unprincipled, controlled, broken old woman, a once active and seemingly honest Komsomol member. Authoritative patriots and statists have been eliminated or condemned, or at the very least, "blocked and forgotten." The so-called rights and freedoms of the so-called people have been annulled. Those in power are the same ones who betrayed and sold out their homeland, a once great power. These are hucksters, in the worst sense of the word, who created a decrepit, notorious vertical power based on nepotism, lies, and criminality, in which the main criterion for evaluating everything and everyone is money. They are not about the country's progress and development—it's all about profit and resources. Hence their secondary nature, their wretched, inadequate response, their utter incompetence and passivity, coupled with an insufficient level of intelligence to address pressing issues, let alone strategic planning. This resembles more a colonial administration under external control, lacking any political or real will, than any form of sovereignty.

[AdAstra]

More empty talk. And useless lamentations in the comments. If you, commentators, don't want to unite and solve the problems by any means necessary, then no one will do it for you.

[Belisarius]

Quote from AdAstra

If you, gentlemen commentators, don't want to unite and solve problems by any means necessary, then no one will do it for you.

Any local unification is a prison sentence. The regime's only interest is maintaining its power and plundered property, while the people are its main enemy.
But overall, your thinking is sound. Uniting is possible without political slogans.
Furthermore, individuals can also do something about this issue—simply by not using migrants' services. For example, in large cities, the delivery sector is now very developed (entirely occupied by migrants). If you simply go to the store yourself and convince women (who make up the majority of their customers) not to use this service, the number of crazy drivers (cooks, pickers) on the streets of large cities would decrease dramatically.
And also, don't hire migrants for repairs, etc. It's clear that no single person can influence large construction projects or the housing and utilities sector, but at least this would be a small, personal contribution to solving the problem.

[sunwenmin]

I disagree. It's a question of attitude—is delivery itself a benefit or not?
I believe this is a blessing, improving the quality of Russia's not-so-comfortable reality. And there's just as much logic in boycotting it head-on as there is in wanting to change how the country is run simply by voting in an election.
If our elites had the good will to do so, it would be desirable to eliminate the need for unskilled labor by introducing robots into all areas of physical labor.

[Mikhail Nasharashev]

Maybe we should offer them dead donkey ears instead of compulsory medical insurance?

[LuZappa]

Quote: Stas157

However, the USSR did not import foreign migrants.

He kept bringing them in. Ask who worked at ZIL. This isn't the only example. The scale wasn't what it is today, of course, but it was...

[Victor Tsenin]

>such is the Eastern mentality

They behave exactly as we allow them to. The cause-and-effect relationship must be established based on the priorities of the nation-forming people, and respect must be firmly demanded, without hesitation in taking appropriate measures against our neighbors.

[Fisher]

Impudence is the second blessing. If no one restricts these migrants in any way, the leadership of these countries doesn't put them in their place, nor do the diasporas, which are essentially organized crime groups, put them in their place, although this kind of thing needs to be dispersed. If in a dispute between a migrant and one of our own, ours is likely to lose, then why are we surprised? They push them: they get one, then immediately demand a second, a third, and so on ad infinitum. A work visa with skills testing and no harassment.

[Earl]

Isn't it time for valuable specialists to return to their native villages?

[Tailpipe]

Democracy itself is an anti-national form of government. And if United Russia is in power, then it's a total disaster.

[Viktor Sergeev]

There's no point in letting family members in.

[ALEKS112233]

The Kyrgyz went the wrong way! In the wrong direction! You came to earn money – so earn it, work out a contract, and leave! What does this have to do with your families?

[Chack wessel]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Who authorized the import of migrant family members into Russia?

Strelkov, Navalny, and Lenin with a bomb. Who else!?

[Inevitably]

I wonder what all this lamentation is about? First, we simply need to answer the question: do Russia's international treaties with EAEU member states provide for social security for migrants and their families? And if so, to what extent?

[koksalek]

I predict the bureaucrats will quietly cave in and do everything

[Berg berg]

We've finished our work and then it's time to go home. Visiting is nice, but home is best! Where you were born, there you'll find your way!

[PavelT]

And which Russian diplomat proposed this clause? Under Article 98, paragraph 3, and Article 98, paragraph 4, EAEU members "must ensure that family members of workers have equal access to compulsory health insurance as their own citizens."
What benefit does this offer Russia? And which half-baked economist calculated and confirmed this benefit? Which idiotic lawyer reviewed this agreement before signing it?
With such ruinous points for Russia.

[Comrade Kim]

In the Emirates, eight drunken Uzbek migrant workers received life sentences for leaving the construction site where they were working and getting into a drunken brawl among themselves.
Is EdimRossiya voting to lift restrictions on transfers to Turkestan?
Let every deputy take the migrants he lobbied for into his own mansion. Let his wife feed them, even if it's breastfeeding, and let her pay for their medical treatment.
All the developers' bigwigs, from the court construction companies, are guilty of recruiting migrants without taking responsibility for them. And Asian migrants fleeing construction sites are decimating the indigenous population, killing, raping, and corrupting them.
78% of rapes in Moscow are committed by people from Central Asia - M. Trubnikov, deputy head of the Criminal Investigation Department of Moscow, RIA Novosti.

[likana]

Quote: Eugene_4

There are almost no migrants in the Republic of Belarus.
I saw them a couple of times during my week in Minsk.

They looked bad. I live in the center of Minsk. The area around it is teeming with black people. The houses around the central market are packed with Asians. The market itself has a ton of shops, including halal ones, hairdressers, eateries with the names of their countries, and during business hours, the tables are full of loafers. Foreign speech and music with oriental howls are heard all around. I bought a small item from a black person, the price was inflated, and I asked, "How much does it cost in your country?" He answered, "It's my country!" I said, "So that means I'm an outsider."

[Kmet]

Which specific "central market" in central Minsk is this? Could you please tell me the name? Are you referring to Komarovka or something else?

[likana]

Quote: Kmet

Which specific "central market" in central Minsk is this? Could you please tell me the name? Are you referring to Komarovka or something else?

Naturally, Komarovka, I don’t remember any other central ones

[Kmet]

I'll be there this summer... I'll have a special look... I can't believe it... I remember the time when this evil spirit left Komarovka in a flurry in the 90s... Di and Belarus in general... Too much time has passed since then...

[Iris]

I visit Minsk every year – I have relatives living there. Komarovka is a well-worn spot. The last time I was there was last year, and I've never seen anything like it. I haven't even heard of it from the locals. In Belarus, such issues are resolved instantly!

[Kmet]

Well, I haven't heard of it either... I have a friend who lives there, we once studied together at the same university.

[likana]

Quote: Kasatik

I visit Minsk every year – I have relatives living there. Komarovka is a well-worn spot. The last time I was there was last year, and I've never seen anything like it. I haven't even heard of it from the locals. In Belarus, such issues are resolved instantly!

Yes, we don't live there, but we know. I can see Komarovka from my window; I walk past it two or three times a day and have to agree with those who either don't live in Minsk or, having filled their bags at the market, are standing in line for a minibus to get to the edge of town. Tell me about your cities, and you'll learn the whole truth from me. It's funny to talk to people who have no idea about the subject...

[likana]

Quote: Kmet

I'll be there this summer... I'll have a special look... I can't believe it... I remember the time when this evil spirit left Komarovka in a flurry in the 90s... Di and Belarus in general... Too much time has passed since then...

You may not believe it, but I see it every day, without any faith... Faith is a thing... I also don’t believe that the Moscow Kremlin is in Russia...

[Kmet]

It's not about trusting you personally. A more objective assessment will be made with your own eyes in any case. There's a saying there: "Don't trust yourselves, but trust your company!"

[Zefr]

Well, it seems simple to me. Provide mandatory assistance. Send bills to Kyrgyzstan. They don't pay? Oh well. No legs, no candy.

[Peter Yakovlev]

Well, who knows what the Kyrgyz want... The laws of the Russian Federation have changed. As of November 28, 2025, migrants will be able to receive free medical care only after FIVE years of legal work in Russia.

[16112014nk]

[quote=Komsomol] fraternal relations opened doors for migrants[/quote]
[quote][The animals stood
Near the door./quote]
[quote]But there were those who felt sorry for them,
Those who opened these doors to the beasts.
The animals were greeted with songs and loud laughter.
And the animals came in and killed everyone.[/quote]

[16112014nk]

[quote=Komsomol] fraternal relations opened the doors for migrants.[/quote]
[quote]The animals stood
Near the door.quote]
[quote]But there were those who felt sorry for them,
Those who opened these doors to the beasts.
The animals were greeted with songs and loud laughter.
And the animals came in and killed everyone.[/quote]

[16112014nk]

Quote: Komsomol

Brotherly relations opened doors for migrants.

Animals stood
Near the door.

But there were those who took pity on them,
Those who opened these doors to the beasts.
The animals were greeted with songs and loud laughter.
And the animals came in and killed everyone.

[Iris]

An absolutely spot-on article. It's a shame decision makers will never read it. Decisions that lead to disaster...

[Galina Mylnikova]

Why the question, and such a timid one at that? Started on a high note, finished on a low note. It's high time to resolve the migrant issue before they, along with their women and numerous offspring, become a complete nuisance.

[Yuliy]

I propose introducing a visa regime for every person and tying migrants to their employer. If you leave a job for another, or fail to fulfill your contract, you will be deported and banned from entering for at least 10 years.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: Fan-Fan

It's scary to write names, they could put you in jail. Look at Navalny, who wrote names, and where is he?

In fact, the names are publicly available. The people who facilitate migration don't hide their views... For example, the popularly elected President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, whose actions are supported by over 80% of the population (I think, in reality, at least 100%), stated:
"Russia needs an influx of new citizens (...), to attract people from abroad. (...) As for the economy, it is quite obvious that with the development of the economy - we no longer have enough - and soon it will be very noticeable: there will not be enough workers. This is becoming a real objective limiter of economic growth in the country. This is one of the serious problems."
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/715832
Does quoting our President not yet fall under Article 282 of the Russian Criminal Code?

[Chack wessel]

Quote from WIS

Why do you have such an undisguised attachment to immigrants in Russia?

How could you even think that!? I'm actually quite fond of migrants, and I fully support our popularly elected President's policy of replacing the indigenous population with Asians... Moreover, you probably won't believe it, but I watch all of Skabeeva's appearances on TV and listen to Solovyov. I never miss a single program.

[chingachguc]

Actually, the agreement contains such clauses, and they're all about workers and their families. It's unclear how we were forced to sign this agreement. The agreement needs to be either revised or denounced.

[mrVladG]

It's so easy to keep family members out. Then only the workers will remain.

[Idle_piston]

Migrants are a consequence, but the main enemy of Russia and the Russian people is the liberal Russophobic lobby at the "APTeka" [pharmacy]. Judging by the fact that the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg has no plans to close, this evil will only grow.

[odisey3000]

How do you understand "demands"? When you write, you read your own opuses. "Demands." They can't demand anything. Another issue is that the Russian Federation has done little, if anything, in terms of emigration policy that shouldn't have been done. This applies to many issues. Much is being done and is being done in this area. So the title "demands" is completely incorrect. Although much still needs to be done on this issue. But that's the case everywhere in the world with this problem.

[seacap]

What failed in 41 is being successfully accomplished now. Our age-old enemies, clever and patient, despite their complete lack of morality, know how to play the long game and adapt their strategy to more effective and rational actions. Having become convinced that victory through direct aggression is impossible, as it would entail unacceptable losses and damage to themselves, they came to the conclusion that only we ourselves could eliminate us as a country and civilization, and this has been realized over the past 80 years. A once-mighty power has been destroyed and emasculated; in its remnants, essentially colonial administrations rule—manageable, derivative, and of low intellectual potential. Moreover, in all these artificially created "supposed states," i.e., Entities that never had a tradition of state governance, and therefore were initially under external control, maintain a high level of antagonism towards each other, especially in the context of the destruction of Slavism as an ethnic group and the phenomenon of rampant Russophobia. As a result, the age-old dream of the Anglo-Saxons and Zionists has finally come true: Russians are killing Russians on Russian soil.
The so-called immigration policy, imposed from outside, is also rooted in the same vein, as per the laws of 91. Russians, as a threat to the world order, should not exist, so the authorities are pursuing a policy of replacing the indigenous population with anyone, preferably one as distant from the locals in civilization and culture as possible. The result is the intensified Muslimization of an Orthodox country by its most radical currents, fiercely protected by the entire law enforcement system and encouraged by the administration. A demographic policy is aimed at the extinction of the Slavic population, concentrating everything and everyone in a few megacities, freeing up territory for future migrants from Africa and Southeast Asia. The same people from the 90s who betrayed and sold out their homeland and its allies, who renounced their ideals and oaths, their ancestors and their history, their connection to the great victorious nation, for the sake of money and the hope of falling into the shoes of the Grand Vizier, with their mantras: "We are just like you." Since the actions of the upper class, who have infiltrated the country not to govern but to rule, are more akin to the actions of a colonial administration controlled from without, following foreign instructions and orders, then everything falls into place: we are being destroyed as a people, as a civilization, as an empire, in all respects, without exception and without compromise. They won't make the same mistake a second time; they will destroy us completely, and we are losing in this "harvest," and the outlook is bleak.
This is how I, a citizen, an ordinary person with a normal Soviet education, see this picture of my homeland.

[sgrabik]

A reasonable question arises: why can't we nip in the bud this insolence and firmly refuse such unfounded demands? Why are we always afraid of offending someone and have forgotten how to say "no"? This absurd, soft-hearted policy gives our opponents an excuse to behave extremely insolently and ultimately only brings us harm.

[Alexander]

And the Kyrgyz are going to answer for the genocide of RUSSIANS since the mid-80s?????