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Patriarch Kirill encourages young people to follow the example of Marshal Zhukov and Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya

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Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill called on the Russian people to mobilize for victory, as happened in the Great Patriotic War.


"If the Orthodox faith does not leave our hearts, and along with it, national self-consciousness and national pride, we will win victories, first of all those that we should win today: victories in strengthening the state, its defense capability, economic power, in deciding many social problems, "said the patriarch, addressing the participants in the St. George's youth parade, which took place on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow on Monday, on the day of remembrance of the great martyr George the Victorious.

"All this can be done if we are mobilized to win, if we are united as a people, if no political preferences, national, cultural or even religious differences destroy the true spiritual unity of our people," said the primate.

He recalled that on the day of the Great Martyr George the Victorious, which coincided with the celebration of Easter, hostilities stopped, "revealing to the whole world the invincible strength of the spirit of our people."

“Our people won a terrible war, where the toll of sacrifices went to millions, where military goals exceeded even the most terrible imagination. Probably no one ever set out to destroy the country completely, gradually killing and wresting the whole people,” said Patriarch Kirill.

He called on young people to follow the example of Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, George Zhukov, Alexander Matrosov, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya - "from those who, without reasoning, sacrificed their lives in the name of the Fatherland."

The parade was attended by hundreds of representatives of the brotherhoods of Orthodox rangers, cadet corps, military schools, patriotic clubs from different regions of Russia.

Prior to this, the patriarch performed a liturgy in the St. George's Church on Poklonnaya Hill. Addressing those gathered in the church, he recalled that the Great Martyr George was not only a symbol of victory of good over evil, a symbol of Moscow, but also "a symbol of intercession for all those people who are fighting for the truth."

“In the last war, undoubtedly, our people fought for the truth and laid down millions and millions of their lives, the lives of their children in this struggle,” he said.
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 8 May 2013 06: 58 New
    +6
    Oh, and now they are throwing in full wassat Compare this with Alexy II, even the language does not turn request Of course, he can only call who will listen to him. negative Of all the candidates, the most unsuccessful nosato was absolutely loyal to the authorities. sad With which I congratulate her love wassat
    1. vadimus
      vadimus 8 May 2013 07: 05 New
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      Does the youth remember the real heroes then? And then on TV, the betmen are solid, but the supermen on the teapot. And all this with star-striped sauce. They say correctly that they come up with heroes, because there are none of them ..... But youth must be educated ...
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 8 May 2013 07: 08 New
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        Of course, we should take an example from our heroes, and not from strangers imposed by liberal propaganda. Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths. Someone to remind them is not superfluous.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 8 May 2013 07: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          it is necessary to take from their heroes, and not from those imposed by liberal propaganda.

          Absolutely agree good
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths.

          Its' his job request
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Someone to remind them is not superfluous.

          But does he remember the Ten Commandments or is it just the charter of internal service? wassat
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 8 May 2013 07: 42 New
            +8
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Its' his job. But does he remember the Ten Commandments or is it just the charter of internal service?

            I am jarred by vocabulary so hostile to our church. Already wrote below the answer to another colleague. There are places for you.

            Quote: kostella85
            our church elite was completely blown away by luxury and money, and these people are taught how to live

            Rather, your head was blown away from anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox propaganda.
            1. Who cares whom the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch? You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox. And they didn’t donate a penny to the Orthodox.
            2. The church is, first of all, the elders.
            3. The Orthodox Church does not teach you anything and how to live. She teaches those who have come to understand that one must come to the temple, speak with the priest.

            Orthodox Russia with its church has won for centuries. And in the Great Patriotic War, the authorities had to turn to the church at a fatal moment. But then among our fathers and grandfathers there was little rotten folk. People in God believed who believed, and won, and not exchanged for gossip and slander.
            1. kostyan77708
              kostyan77708 8 May 2013 07: 51 New
              +3
              I fully support your comment !!!!
            2. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 8 May 2013 07: 54 New
              +7
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              I am jarred by vocabulary so hostile to our church.

              This applies to a particular senior official of the Russian Orthodox Church and, if not to the church itself. request And for such an attitude towards him personally there are reasons
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 10: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Ruslan67
                This applies to a particular senior official of the Russian Orthodox Church and not to the church itself. And there are reasons for such an attitude towards him personally

                Ruslan, oh, and I’m throwing you minuses now, but looking at the comment below in the double!
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 8 May 2013 16: 33 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Ruslan, oh, and I’m throwing you minuses now, but looking at the comment below in the double!

                  Throw it! I catch! Do you think when I wrote I didn’t know what they were throwing? Only my personal attitude towards this patriarch will not change request Yes, and the Russian Orthodox Church itself would not hurt to fix something
            3. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 8 May 2013 07: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox.

              Orthodox Russian I was consciously baptized in 1992 at the age of 25. In Orthodoxy I bear the name Roman My Guardian Angel Roman - Songwriter hi
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 8 May 2013 08: 18 New
                -1
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Orthodox Russian Baptism ceremony deliberately

                You do not have a keyword: believer. This is the whole point. Not all who are baptized are believers and, especially, taking part in the life of the church. And whom to choose as the patriarch is the work of the church-believers.

                You are responsible for your choice: for Yeltsin, for Putin, for Medvedev. How are they with the watch? Everything is fine?

                Quote: kostella85
                Because the baptized and the believer, and I donate for the restoration of the Dolmatovsky temple

                Let me doubt it. I communicate with believers. They think differently.

                Quote: kostella85
                Cyril old man?

                There is nothing wrong with the fact that you do not know what it is about.
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 8 May 2013 08: 22 New
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                  Quote: Nikolay S.

                  You do not have a keyword: believer.

                  Not missing hi I’m not discussing issues of faith with anyone. request Even with loved ones is my personal one that does not concern anyone
            4. kostella85
              kostella85 8 May 2013 08: 05 New
              +4
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              1. Who cares whom the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch? You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox. And they didn’t donate a penny to the Orthodox.


              1, Because I’m a baptized and a believer, I’m sacrificing for the restoration of the Dolmatovsky church, But to the church which is 300 meters from me, after the christening of my niece, not with my foot at all !!!!

              Quote: Nikolay S.
              2. The church is, first of all, the elders.


              2, Cyril the Elder ??? fellow

              Quote: Nikolay S.
              3. The Orthodox Church does not teach you anything and how to live. She teaches those who have come to understand that one must come to the temple, speak with the priest.


              See paragraph 1
              1. Tatanka Yotanka
                Tatanka Yotanka 8 May 2013 10: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: kostella85
                1, Because the baptized and the believer, and for the restoration of the Dolmatov temple I sacrifice

                1 Look, do not do your alms before people so that they will see you: otherwise there will be no reward for you from your Heavenly Father.

                2 So, when you do alms, do not blow before you, as the hypocrites do in synagogues and in the streets, so that people glorify them. Verily I say unto you, they already receive their reward.

                3 But when you give alms, let your left hand not know what the right hand does,

                4 that thy alms be in secret; and your Father who sees the secret will reward you clearly.
                Ev from Matthew ch 6
            5. Armata
              Armata 8 May 2013 09: 01 New
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              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Korea, your head was blown away from anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox propaganda.
              Do not confuse anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox with anti-church. These are different things.
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Do you care who the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch? You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox. And they didn’t donate a penny to the Orthodox.
              It makes no difference to me who the priests have chosen as a godfather. They have long been far from God. And as for the penny, I’d better give the grandmother on the street a loaf of bread than them for the new Maybachs. Rotted your "esteemed church"
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              The church is, first of all, the elders.
              And where are they?
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              . The Orthodox Church teaches you nothing and how to live. She teaches those who have come to understand that one must come to the temple, speak with the priest.
              Well duck and who forbids? Go and do not forget to throw a dime on him and into the donation box.
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Orthodox Russia with its church has won for centuries. And in the Great Patriotic War, the authorities had to turn to the church at a fatal moment. But then among our fathers and grandfathers there was little rotten folk. People in God believed who believed, and won, and not exchanged for gossip and slander.
              You would have to speak at rallies. Stalin restored the church even before the war, and even opened 3 seminaries, from which it began to restore the church. And now it’s a rotten structure through and through.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 10: 06 New
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                Quote: Mechanic
                . And now it’s a rotten structure through and through.

                Zhenya, how much do you know about the structure, do you know about armature, but about the Russian Orthodox Church, only from comments from TV and the Internet. And do not go to faith, you can’t, if you believe, you’ll finish the damn armature. In the meantime, minus angry
                1. Armata
                  Armata 8 May 2013 10: 23 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Zhenya, how much do you know about the structure, do you know about armature, but about the Russian Orthodox Church, only from comments from TV and the Internet. And do not go to faith, you can’t, if you believe, you’ll finish the damn armature. In the meantime, minus

                  Hi Sanya. I have to not only communicate with the engineering staff. I know perfectly well the person who is engaged in the restoration of churches and often communicate with him at the table about what the church has turned into.
            6. does it
              does it 8 May 2013 09: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              1. Who cares whom the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch

              The fact of the matter is that it was not the church that chose the Kremlin. I watched the election of the union and the official pearl on one of the federal channels, the essence of which was that the Kremlin put Mr. Gundyaev on the post of patriarch and not the church.
            7. No_more
              No_more 8 May 2013 14: 09 New
              +6
              Do not confuse faith and church. The church is gradually becoming another ministry. And even if a person donated nothing to the church (although there are enough budget items for the Russian Orthodox Church in frequency and institutes of other religions in general), why can't he criticize it for spending donations on luxury? Or is it a paid service?

              There are many decent people in the church structure, but there are many dishonorable to say the least.
              1. does it
                does it 8 May 2013 20: 37 New
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                [quote = No_more] There are many decent people in the church structure, but there are many dishonorable to say the least. [/ quote]
                My PERSONAL OPINION is there two, three percent decent ...
                [quote = No_more] Do not confuse faith and church.
                Yes, no one confuses her, faith, happens not only religiously ...
            8. the polar
              the polar 8 May 2013 17: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              And in the Great Patriotic War, the authorities had to turn to the church at a fatal moment.

              It was not “the authorities at the fateful moment” that addressed, but the patriarch, on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church, turned to Stalin with a proposal to organize all-round assistance, and received consent.
              Learn history not from Svanidze-Sakharov
              1. Slav
                Slav 13 May 2013 10: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: Polar
                It was not “the authorities at the fateful moment” that addressed, but the patriarch, on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church, turned to Stalin with a proposal to organize all-round assistance, and received consent.
                Learn history not from Svanidze-Sakharov

                Actually, in 1941, Stalin met with three metropolitans at the initiative of Stalin himself. By the way, the Metropolitan was not yet there. He was elected only in 1943.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 8 May 2013 08: 21 New
          +7
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Of course, we should take an example from our heroes, and not from strangers imposed by liberal propaganda. Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths. Someone to remind them is not superfluous.

          But doesn’t it seem to you that he, as a representative of the highest spiritual authority, is also responsible for what is happening ??
          And the power in his hands is no less than the state !! So you heard from his mouth a protest against the show of House-2 or other vulgarity ??
          Religion must always stand aside!
          When the state merges with religion, its functions are eroded by laws, decrees and simply speeches ....
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 8 May 2013 08: 25 New
            +6
            Quote: APASUS
            ! So you heard from his mouth a protest against the show of House-2 or other vulgarity ??

            Purely bureaucratic principle - do not sin, do not repent request Price list at reception wassat
          2. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 8 May 2013 08: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            did you hear from his mouth a protest against the show of House-2 or other vulgarity?

            Do you seriously believe that believers are watching House-2?

            The task of the church is to catch human souls, to heal souls. Healthy souls are not afraid of temptations, not evil devilish propaganda in any guise.

            It is the task of our entire society to rid our country of Houses-2, sodomites, defilers of our Russianness, juveniles and other Western poison. However, in reality, people who believe in this, basically, are opposed to this. up to the highest hierarchs. Therefore, our church and attack. The fact that you do not hear their protests is just your problem.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 8 May 2013 17: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Do you seriously believe that believers are watching House-2?

              You are a naive person!
              And what on TV only Dom-2 sins with debauchery on TV? Take a movie for any program - if there is no murder, no drunkenness, then there is no plot! So then the believer should not watch TV at all !!!
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Therefore, our church and attack.

              Forgive me, dear, but recently the entire Internet was jammed with pictures of a priest in Bentley !! Well, it’s not the Sadomites who dragged him there or the Yuvinals posted a photo on his page !!
              I’m not saying that some of the priests in the accident were simply drunk and on cars worth 10-20 years of work of a parishioner! Isn’t they taught in the Temple to be modest? All these legends about the gifts of the parishioners are already sore!
              The church has become an integral part of society - with all its sins !!!
              That’s why I wrote before that the Church should always be separated from the state of BEING ABOUT IT, and not becoming part of it !! My misfortune is that I see it! I go to high offices and see what happens during the construction, reconstruction of the same Temples. And you cannot convince me that the church at this stage heals the souls of people!
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 8 May 2013 20: 34 New
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                Quote: APASUS
                I’m in high offices and see what happens during the construction and reconstruction of the same Temples. And you won’t convince me that the church at this stage heals the souls of people!

                I imagined a picture of you walking in high classrooms and there they show you what's going on. I won’t even comment on the “cabinets”.

                Otherwise, do not promise.
                The dust.
                Somehow I was helped by a lawyer (or I), a guy then 46 years old, a colonel of foreign intelligence, only from service. The wife (two children) fell under the totalitarian sect and was inflamed with the desire to divide, sell off property and take to the sect. (He could not defeat the sect with his capabilities. I will not write why). As it turned out, there are no (or not to be found) specialists in psychiatry who can really reprogram. But the Orthodox priests who cope with this, as it turned out, are. Then he learned that such a situation is not so rare.

                PS. I do not convince you. You convince yourself here.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 8 May 2013 21: 59 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolay S.
                  I imagined a picture of you walking in high classrooms and there they show you what's going on. I won’t even comment on the “cabinets”.

                  And do not comment!
                  I have a friend in the Vologda Oblast, sawing planks at my sawmill. I suggested that I go to the monastery, they’re rebuilding nearby. The monastery is probably 300 years old and looks like it’s old. We have witnessed how the monks are trying to restore the roof from, say, the wrong material. My friend suggested Abbot, now we’ll drive Kamaz with a board and the roof will be ready. The abbot refused. His speech was something like this.
                  What do you think that I have no way to build a roof? I don’t offer money for the whole monastery, they offer money! ONLY IN LABOR AND PRAYER THE MONASTERY MUST BE BORN AGAIN! This is what I understand a man with Faith in his soul!
                  And more:
                  The Temple was rebuilt in our city. But it stands on a mountain and the road there is not very convenient. One had only to turn to the parishioners and they quickly drove excavators, bulldozers and paved the road where they liked. Especially without straining themselves in the preparation of documentation, coordination, or clarification of law land ownership. I know by the fact that a relative works in the City Hall.
                  Here are two Rivers, but how differently they approach restoration.
                  I think their Faith is different. One believes in the dollar, and the other in God!
        3. avt
          avt 8 May 2013 10: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Of course, we should take an example from our heroes, and not from strangers imposed by liberal propaganda. Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths. Someone to remind them is not superfluous.

          request Well, there’s practically nothing to object, one moment really confuses. I remember how people suggested to the church authorities to recognize Zoya as a martyr, I won’t say the answers and arguments against. But who actually prevents the Patriarch from not just expressing himself, but specifically and purposefully carrying out work to heroize the Patriots who gave their lives for the Fatherland ?? Actually, in a vacuum of ideology, this is his direct responsibility to the country.
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 8 May 2013 11: 08 New
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            Quote: avt
            who actually prevents the Patriarch from not just expressing himself, but specifically and purposefully carrying out work to heroize the Patriots who gave their lives for the Fatherland?

            There is a synodal commission for the canonization of saints in the Orthodox Church. During the presidency of the Metropolitan of Krutitsky and Kolomensky Juvenal (1989-2011), 1866 ascetics of piety, including 1776 new martyrs and confessors of Russia, were counted as saints of the Russian Orthodox Church. Now the bishop of Trinity Pankraty, governor of the Holy Transfiguration Valaam Monastery, has been appointed chairman of the Commission. Canonization is not easy and quick. However, all who are worthy of veneration inevitably receive it. Orthodox know their heroes. Whether their readers of the liberal media and the audience of the zombie man know, I am not aware.
            1. avt
              avt 8 May 2013 11: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              However, all who are worthy of veneration inevitably receive it.

              request Well, canonization has always been preceded by a fairly wide explanatory work, does it interfere with it then? This is completely within the authority of the Patriarch. Remember how the theme of the royal family was promoted. From what did the Heroes of the Soviet time of those who died for the Fatherland not even be pushed into the second row, but simply put into oblivion? Now they have come to their senses, having played in the fight against the totalitarian past, but here again the question. Do they want to saddle the topic or have seriously taken care of the spiritual future of Russia? Here I have no definite answer to this question ..... request There is doubt - there is no answer and this statement of the Patriarch does not give an answer either.
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 8 May 2013 12: 41 New
                -1
                Quote: avt
                canonization has always been preceded by a fairly wide explanatory work, does it hinder it then? This is completely within the authority of the Patriarch. Remember how the theme of the royal family spun

                You do not confuse the church and what happened around the remains of the Yekaterinburg burial. God gave me to take part in that. This is to my friend Abramov Helium Ryabov brought three skulls from that burial in the early 80s. At 91m, during the coup, Abramov was still “held by his pants”, “they say the Communists will come” when he was traveling as an expert at the officially opened burial of the Yekaterinburg prosecutor’s office. In the future, the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Government Commission, headed by a character named Nemtsov (the same one), took over this case. The main sources of news were they. And also colleagues who screwed up and were expelled, they threw shit in the press on the fan. Patriotic media worried. Especially the "Russian Bulletin" A. Senina. Ambition also played a role because of the significance of the case. For example, Nemtsov’s secretary Aksyutsits took and published a crap book called “Repentance”. He was then driven out of the Union of Orthodox Citizens. P. Ivanov hurried to publish the results of his expert opinion of a geneticist. Decrypted only 835 letters, one mismatch. A scandal arose. I had to prove that the mtDNA mutation, that there are mutations. Then, as part of another work, genetics became concerned with such a parameter as the speed of mutations. In short, now everyone knows about haplogroups and who came from whom. And also the sea of ​​any high-profile events. Only the church has nothing to do with them. Juvenal, a member of the Government Commission "drank a lot of blood from them," only behaved very carefully and did not give any reasons for the press. As it turned out, he was negotiating the reunification of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church. And then to the relics in Belgium, owned by ZRPTS, still potential relics were acquired.

                So do not confuse the meaningless and irresponsible mess in the incomprehensible to whom the media owned with the work of the Synodal Commission. Everything is different there. Want to know which one, start living a church life. And those who are ranked have lives. In short, if you know the lives of even the saints, not much will seem.
                1. avt
                  avt 8 May 2013 15: 34 New
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                  Quote: Nikolay S.
                  So do not confuse the meaningless and irresponsible mess in the incomprehensible to whom the media owned with the work of the Synodal Commission. Everything is different there. Want to know which one, start living a church life. And those who are ranked have lives. In short, if you know the lives of even the saints, not much will seem.

                  Speaking about the promotion of the royal family, I did not mean the burial in the Peter and Paul Cathedral, this is a topic of a completely different conversation. At one time, I also visited the publishing house of the patriarchy, the bookstore of the Sretensky monastery, and also got acquainted with the books that are published at the Church of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Petrovsky Park, which was curated by priest Smirnov. Since you live a church life, you do not need to explain who it is. So, since the 90s, printed matter, not to be confused with the religious that was distributed there, fit into the Govorukhin formula - Russia that we lost. Everything fit into the uncomplicated form of exposing the atheistic power and exaltation of the white movement. A dead end not leading to consolidation. Well, it can't be a unifying idea to settle accounts when reviewing the outcome of the Civil War. If it finally reached the leaders of the church - well, God forbid. But I repeat - not yet convinced.
            2. the polar
              the polar 8 May 2013 17: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              During the presidency of the Metropolitan of Krutitsky and Kolomensky Juvenal (1989-2011), 1866 ascetics of piety, including 1776 new martyrs and confessors of Russia, were counted as saints of the Russian Orthodox Church.

              Yes, the "new martyrs", Tsar Nikolashka, Kolchak, Ataman Krasnov, etc.
              It was not enough for Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and Alexander Matrosov to be included in this campaign.
      2. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 8 May 2013 07: 08 New
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        Quote: vadimus
        They say correctly that they come up with heroes, because there are none of them ..... And youth must be educated ...

        So there it is! and Muromets has not gone anywhere and Nevsky is still in memory and there are more than enough heroes of the Second World War. And where is the education?
        On a box of gum club with drischa Pasha and a blockhead in clown suits and Ramba with Betman.
      3. No_more
        No_more 8 May 2013 14: 01 New
        +3
        Young people take an example from those who are visible and who have the opportunity to show themselves. So do not educate anyone, you need to be an example. And with rods and the instigation of opinion only anger can be raised and disgust.
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    3. kostella85
      kostella85 8 May 2013 07: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Of all the candidates, they chose the most unsuccessful nosato absolutely loyal to the authorities. With which I congratulate her


      Patriarch Kirill (in the world, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev; November 20, 1946, Leningrad, USSR), among other things, a full-time employee of the KGB of the USSR

      So he would have taken an example from these people, the head of our church elite has been blown away by luxury and money, and these people are learning how to live !!!!!!
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 8 May 2013 07: 42 New
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        We do not know whether Mr. Gundyaev is a full-time employee of the authorities, but owning an apartment in Moscow (litigated due to dust) and an expensive breget, he puts himself outside the monotonous clergy (monasticism), of which only the Patriarch can be.
    4. Denis
      Denis 8 May 2013 07: 22 New
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      But it is interesting to know from whom the patriarch’s wards take an example ??? Bukhiv drive on luxury foreign cars, people ruin ...
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 8 May 2013 07: 39 New
        +8
        Quote: Denis
        But it is interesting to know from whom the patriarch’s wards take an example ??? Bukhiv drive on luxury foreign cars, people ruin ...


        We always take an example from the leadership !!!
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 8 May 2013 07: 48 New
          +7
          Quote: kostella85
          So he would have taken an example from these people, the head of our church elite has been blown away by luxury and money, and these people are learning how to live !!!!!!

          Quote: Denis
          But it is interesting to know from whom the patriarch’s wards take an example ??? Bukhiv drive on luxury foreign cars, people ruin ...

          We are an interesting people, they called you to take an example from the true heroes of the Russian land, and you: yourself are a "stupid person." Well, yes, there are a lot of jambs in the camp of the servants of the Russian Orthodox Church, but what did he say wrong? Or because the patriarch has Patek Philip hanging on his arm, should we, in defiance, begin to admire Genghis Khan or Hitler? request
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 8 May 2013 08: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Or because the patriarch has Patek Philip hanging on his arm,

            Yes, that’s not the point. I have a personal relationship with him because, although I’m pretty captain, I’m familiar with it. And so I can immediately see what is now called double standards. If the Union was made, he would make a strong secretary of the regional committee
          2. kostella85
            kostella85 8 May 2013 08: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Vladimirets
            We are an interesting people, they called you to take an example from the true heroes of the Russian land, and you: yourself. Well, yes, there are a lot of jambs in the camp of the servants of the Russian Orthodox Church, but what did he say wrong? Or because the patriarch has Patek Philip hanging on his arm, should we, in defiance, begin to admire Genghis Khan or Hitler?


            Koment is not a topic at all, B. A. Berezovsky also said a lot of good things, but the question is, from whose lips are the right words? !!!
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 8 May 2013 08: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: kostella85
              B. A. Berezovsky also said a lot of good things, but the question is, from whose lips are the right words? !!!

              For instance? Congratulations on your topic. good
              1. kostella85
                kostella85 8 May 2013 08: 18 New
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                Quote: Vladimirets
                For example?


                Cheto I fell into a stupor, even no one goes to mind !!! smile
          3. radio operator
            radio operator 8 May 2013 08: 09 New
            +5
            Quote: Vladimirets
            We are an interesting people, they called you to take an example from the true heroes of the Russian land, and you: yourself are a "stupid person." Well, yes, there are a lot of jambs in the camp of the servants of the Russian Orthodox Church, but what did he say wrong?

            I agree with you! The words are very correct, and retelling about the Patriarch's liberal nonsense - do not respect yourself.
            1. 755962
              755962 8 May 2013 08: 19 New
              +7
              He encouraged youth to take an example.

              This is about youth ...

              But the same can be taken from the Chinese as an example ..
              Chinese generals forbidden to roll out on Bentley

              The Chinese military is forbidden to use premium class cars as official foreign cars, the Central Military Commission, headed by President Xi Jinping, decided. Cars worth more than 450 thousand yuan (73 thousand dollars) and an engine capacity of 3 liters or more were included in the black list of cars. This immediately left behind the line many models of Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lincoln, Cadillac, Bentley, Jaguar, Porsche, Land Rover, Audi and even Volkswagen (Phaeton).


              More and more videos and photos of cars with military numbers appear on the Chinese Internet, among which luxury cars attract particular attention. The wave of indignation in the society is growing, which the new Chinese leader Xi Jinping could not ignore when he launched the large-scale anti-corruption campaign.

              http://www.newsru.com/finance/07may2013/chinaauto.html

              But this example is for our government.
    5. does it
      does it 8 May 2013 09: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Oh, and now they are throwing in full Compare this with Alexy II, even the language does not turn
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 8 May 2013 09: 28 New
        -7
        Right throw!
        Liberasts are not welcome on this site.
  2. Hleb
    Hleb 8 May 2013 06: 59 New
    +4
    Well, for life it’s such a thing. Earlier (in childhood) everything was clear. This is a hero, this is an enemy. Today is ...
    in the end, when did the patriarch urge Zhukov to be proud, on the other hand, the hypocrite Gundyaev shouted, Zhukov stole cars ...
    (while writing, Ruslan confirmed above))
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 8 May 2013 07: 22 New
      -4
      Gundyaev is a new political officer, such as Suslov. He reads from propaganda manuals, back in USSR in short ...
      PS: there are not even questions why the Patriarch does not call to take an example from the new martyrs who sacrificed their lives for faith because a good conscience does not allow ...
      1. Scythian 35
        Scythian 35 8 May 2013 07: 48 New
        -3
        Put on a par with the saints of the Orthodox Church a direct idol !!! After all, even on this site they wrote that there was no such person as Alexander Matrosov !!! Presumably they expressed what kind of person could be under this name, and this is idol worship !!!

        "May the spiritual lords be likened to the princes of the earth, and they will build palaces of the earth, and not the temples of God, may they speak with their mouths not the word of God in the praise of our Lord, but the praise of the wicked, and bow their knees not before our Lord God, but before the idols of the earth and give praise to them. "

        In anticipation of the end of the world and the judgment of God.
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta 8 May 2013 08: 35 New
        -4
        Quote: Nayhas
        GBshnaya

        it’s very good that he served in the KGB. I’m glad that we have a lot of KGB officers in power. The KGB should be everywhere, in every city, village, street and house, the more KGB the better. There were no KGB du.ra. which means they are smarter than ordinary people.
        1. kostella85
          kostella85 8 May 2013 08: 39 New
          0
          Quote: djon3volta
          it’s very good that he served in the KGB. I’m glad that we have a lot of KGB officers in power. The KGB should be everywhere, in every city, village, street and house, the more KGB the better. There were no KGB du.ra. which means they are smarter than ordinary people.

          belay fellow wassat lol NO WORDS !!! laughing
          1. Armata
            Armata 8 May 2013 09: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: djon3volta
            it’s very good that he served in the KGB. I’m generally glad that we have a lot of KGB officers in power. The KGB should be everywhere, in every city, village, street and house, the more KGB the better. There were no KGB du.ra. which means they are smarter than ordinary people.
            fool When there is no brain, it is better to remain silent.
        2. Egoza
          8 May 2013 08: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: djon3volta
          There wasn’t any in the KGB

          The keyword "was" everything flows, everything changes. This does not mean that there are no fools now (or at least no attached kids of deputies to a prestigious office)
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 10: 13 New
        +5
        Quote: Nayhas
        there are not even questions why the Patriarch does not call to take an example from the new martyrs who gave their lives for faith because a bad conscience does not allow ..

        Someone did not mention the Patriarch, then he is bad, huh? Who do you think he should have mentioned on the eve of May 9? young people have forgotten everything, and if thanks to him, at least a few of them begin to learn history, then honor and praise be to him.
  3. krasin
    krasin 8 May 2013 07: 00 New
    11
    Patriarch Kirill called on young people to take an example from Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Georgy Zhukov, Alexander Matrosov, Zoe Kosmodemyanskaya - "from those who, without reasoning, sacrificed life in the name of the Fatherland."
    It will be difficult, the generation without a king in my head has already grown up, with beanos in my head., And not with beanos, but hell knows what ?? !!
  4. waisson
    waisson 8 May 2013 07: 22 New
    +8
    and youth knows who they are what
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 8 May 2013 07: 50 New
      +7
      Not everyone. One driver with whom I was on a business trip answered a question about Zhukov: "There was such a leader in Ancient Russia."
    2. does it
      does it 8 May 2013 09: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: waisson
      and youth knows who they are what

      Good question what
  5. Igor_kh
    Igor_kh 8 May 2013 07: 27 New
    0
    Insolence beyond the limits of a man)))
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 8 May 2013 07: 31 New
    +6
    Why does the state shift its responsibilities for patriotic education of the younger generations to others ?. And our church is actually separated from the state. And everything that happens inside and what church leaders think on various occasions should not go beyond the church. Believer? - Go to church and listen to sermons, read church literature. In a secular state, any intervention of the church (no matter how progressive it may seem to itself) in the life of the state should be suppressed. If someone believes that what is spoken from the lips of the patriarch has more weight than the same thing, but spoken by the teacher in a history lesson at school, then my opinion (the look of an atheist) is wrong. The times when faith played an educational and unifying nation role have long passed. Only a few traditions remained from them: parental day, mass painting of eggs for Easter, etc. The true believer does not need intermediaries between him and God. Modern Russian Orthodox Church - business (intermediary.) On faith. Well, in construction (as without this). Uff. Now I’m flying to the skulls ...
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 8 May 2013 07: 59 New
      12
      Maybe don’t fly off ... I also share your opinion. Faith is a purely personal matter, and to plant it at the state level means to kill this faith, to turn it into a religion. You can not plant it through secular educational institutions. Especially through school! And for some reason, few people think that this is simply unconstitutional. Article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
      1. Russian Federation - secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
      2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.

      It means that the visits of clergymen to schools not as private individuals, but as individuals "at execution" are illegal. There are Sunday schools for teaching religion. And in the public school should study humanitarian and natural sciences. It would be better if astronomy were returned to the curriculum, at least at a minimum, otherwise the “Pepsi generation”, when asked what they will do if they get lost, answer: “What is GPS for?” Counter-question: "And if the GPS breaks or fails - then what?" plunges them into a stupor. belay That's it, comrades and gentlemen.

      Let's get ready, Yuri, for the minuses. wink
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 8 May 2013 08: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        Let's get ready, Yuri, for the minuses.


        Amen...
      2. radio operator
        radio operator 8 May 2013 09: 02 New
        +8
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        Faith is a purely personal matter, and to plant it at the state level means to kill this faith, to turn it into a religion. You can not plant it through secular educational institutions. Especially through school!

        This issue should be decided by the parents themselves, not by officials or the liberal public.
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.


        Do you think such people have no place in the ranks of the defenders of the Fatherland?
        Or should Peresvet not fight with Kochubey, but sit behind the monastery walls?
        Dear, everything in this life is interconnected.
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 8 May 2013 13: 15 New
          0
          Dear, everything in this life is interconnected.

          Dear Sergey, first of all, I am a woman, which means “respected”. smile
          Secondly, do not distort, this veteran priest fought not as a priest, but as a Soviet citizen. And they did not reward him as a priest. Moreover, it may even be very likely that he took the dignity after the war.
          Or should Peresvet not fight with Kochubey, but sit behind the monastery walls?

          Thirdly, with Peresvet not everything is clear either. According to canons and monastic charters, a monk cannot (!) Take up arms under any circumstances.
          The rules of the Holy Ecumenical Fourth Council, of Chalcedon (451):
          .
          7. Once we were appointed as clergymen and monks, we were determined not to enter military service or the worldly rank: otherwise daring to this, and not returning with repentance to what I had previously chosen for God, to anathema.

          And fourthly. The Mother of the Trinity-Sergius Monastery and the Life of St. Sergius of Radonezh were edited repeatedly. Are there the names of Peresvet and Oslyaby (Christian monks with pagan names?) In authentic paterikas and hagiography ... ... So not everything is clear and unequivocal ...
          Now I’ll say something for which I will get a lot of minuses, but I can’t say!
          I am afraid, my dears, that modern Christianity and what Jesus Christ taught are as similar to each other as water from a puddle is like water from a spring ...
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 8 May 2013 15: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Kahlan Amnell
            Dear Sergey, firstly, I am a woman, which means - "respected"

            I apologize hi
            Quote: Kahlan Amnell
            do not distort, this veteran priest fought not as a priest, but as a Soviet citizen

            And where is that line? In 1941, Stalin gathered the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, freed the clergy from the camps and prisons, allocated a plane for the procession around Moscow with the Vladimir Icon of the Mother of God, ASKED the clergy to actively pray for the salvation of the Fatherland. And, for some reason, I immediately remembered Suvorov, Dm. Donskoy, Kutuzov, Nakhimov and others. They suddenly turned from class enemies and minions of tsarism into the great Russian commanders who knew how to fight with skill, not number. What is your opinion? The atheistic state, the persecution of the church, destroyed the HHS, and suddenly ... God?
            Quote: Kahlan Amnell
            Thirdly, with Peresvet not everything is clear either. According to canons and monastic charters, a monk cannot (!) Take up arms under any circumstances.
            The rules of the Holy Ecumenical Fourth Council, of Chalcedon (451):

            Absolutely right! But, you do not forget that there are rules for a peaceful life, there are for the war. Any priest will tell you that "there is a grave sin not to defend your homeland." In our army, the Baptists, Jehovah's, Pentecostals and other crap did not take the oath and did not take up arms. So these sects came to us from the West, taking this installation from Western denominations (mainly from Protestants and Lutherans).
        2. does it
          does it 8 May 2013 20: 26 New
          0
          Quote: radio operator
          Or should Peresvet not fight with Kochubey, but sit behind the monastery walls?

          my dear! belay what century are we living in? recourse
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 13 May 2013 08: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: kvirit
            my dear! belay what century are we living in? recourse

            Actually, this is our story. Without a past, we have no future.
      3. pensioner
        pensioner 8 May 2013 12: 13 New
        0
        I try - plus. But, as it recalls the famous cartoon of the 70s: "Who better than me to praise!" Kindergarten. by golly. By the way, "God" I try to write with a capital letter. He is there. At least in the form of the Laws of Nature, but not in the form of communication with which can replace the study of technical disciplines, academic history, psychiatry and psychology (again offhand). Che wrong, write better in PM. And then there is a drain of Orthodox believers, already zhud-dd!
      4. pensioner
        pensioner 8 May 2013 19: 44 New
        0
        I look at you is not so bad. "You are still a strong old man, Rosenblum ..."
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 8 May 2013 08: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: retired
      The days when faith played an educational and unifying role for the nation are long gone

      I recalled an interview from Belgorod that was shown recently: an operative major asking a shooter who had just been caught: "What are you doing, you bastard? It seems to be Orthodox, but you shoot people?
      “I am an atheist, looking from underneath said the Anointed One.”
      As they say, no comment.
      Yevsyukov said the same thing, the "world" in the USA have the same worldview. For them there is no concept of good and evil. It is only instilled in the faith of good - in God. Whether we like it or not.
      Therefore, Western liberalism with such persistence calls for the denial of religion, for materialism.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 10: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: radio operator
        Yevsyukov said the same thing, the "world" in the USA have the same worldview.

        The believer will not become like Yevsyukov and Pamazun. They have no faith and no compassion for those who were killed.
        1. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 8 May 2013 13: 20 New
          0
          The believer will not. But are there many believers now? So far, I see only religious ones.
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 8 May 2013 15: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Kahlan Amnell
            The believer will not. But are there many believers now? So far, I see only religious ones.

            I’ll say that your truth is only adjusted for the fact that the believer never sticks himself out. Because they are not visible.
            1. Kahlan amnell
              Kahlan amnell 8 May 2013 18: 09 New
              0
              I’ll say that your truth is only adjusted for the fact that the believer never sticks himself out. Because they are not visible.

              And very, very regrettable! Time is such that the feat of righteousness is not in secret silence, but it is necessary to inspire and inspire with an example. I recall the words of a very respected priest: “The grace of God is like water. If the water is stagnant, it rots. Only that water is clean and fresh, which continuously flows. Grace should be distributed to everyone around, even if only in small things — with a kind word or a good smile. "And then grace will flow more and more abundantly. Flow in to flow to others. But beware of maintaining grace only for yourself - so you will lose what you have."
      2. Petrospek
        Petrospek 8 May 2013 10: 32 New
        0
        And what do you mean by that? That a believer will never violate the 10 commandments?
        Will he never kill anyone, will not rob, will not deceive?
        But, for example, Putin is a believer? What about Stalin? And what about the old Russian princes?
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 8 May 2013 11: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Petrospek
          And what do you mean by that? That a believer will never violate the 10 commandments?
          Will he never kill anyone, will not rob, will not deceive?

          You recall how the Russian army behaved, driving Napoleon to Paris? Not a single case of looting, violence, murder of civilians, etc. And as the Napoleonic army marched, free of religious prejudice, saturated with the spirit of the liberal revolution, burned, robbed, raped along the way. No wonder Napoleon closed the way back south of the Smolensk road, he returned the way where there was nothing after him.
          A believer can kill a person, protecting his life, the life of his relatives, the Fatherland. But to shoot in all directions, ruining innocent lives - no. This can only be done by a person without a worldview, without the concepts of “what is good and what is bad”, soulless person. After all, atheists deny the presence of the soul.
          1. Petrospek
            Petrospek 8 May 2013 14: 33 New
            +2
            You are very mistaken if you think that the same Poles, Germans, Austrians were atheists, certainly not Poles.
            And then, did I understand you correctly that the nation participating in the revolution and fratricidal war (I mean civil) are all atheists? That is, the Russian people are spiritual only between the times of troubles?
            They forgot to write about Putin.
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 8 May 2013 15: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Petrospek
              You are very mistaken if you think that the same Poles, Germans, Austrians were atheists, certainly not Poles.

              Laplace, shortly before the Russian campaign, showed Napoleon the book "On the dispensation of the world." The emperor asked: "Do I not see God in your book?" “Sire, I don't need this theory.” - "My army too." The army was infected with atheism.
              By the way, Western liberalism arose after the split of the Christian Church. Remember what happened in the West after the split: monstrous crusades, witch hunts (when thousands of women were burned), ugly inquisition courts that destroyed scientists, etc. In your opinion, is Christianity (in the form in which the Savior preached it)? A thousand times no! It was from the bowels of Western denominations that deism, pantheism, theism, and, as a result, atheism and materialism emerged. Read Kireevsky, he described everything quite readily.
              Quote: Petrospek
              a nation participating in a revolution and fratricidal war (I mean civil), they are all atheists

              Alas, paradoxically, I agree with you.
              Rev. Barsanuphius of Optina: the revolution came out of the walls of the seminaries.
              And later, Leo Trotsky said: "If the Russian people after the revolution put forward the slogan" For Faith and Fatherland "and followed it, we would be dared."
              The 19th century in Russia was infected with liberalism no worse than ours.
              The teaching at the seminary was conducted on the whole so deadly, scholastic that the lessons of the Law of God took on the character of compulsory imprisonment - "time for witticisms and sacrilege." ... Abbot Nikon (Vorobyov). There was only the external side of religion, which was reduced to the observance of external rites, in a word to paganism under the name of Orthodoxy.
              Quote: Petrospek
              They forgot to write about Putin.

              What do you want to hear?
              Well put Petrospek or radio operator president, would it be better to live? Unlikely.
              There will be more discontent, we are. Well, then, will officials steal less with us? Not. Officials, after all, not aliens, but the people of us with you. It is not Putin who needs to be changed, but the PEOPLE if you want quick changes. You know that everyone wants to live well, but not everyone has the opportunity. After all, we have become a society of egoists. A "society of complete egoists is hell."
              We want changes for the better - we need to start with ourselves, Christ called for this too.
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 8 May 2013 21: 13 New
                0
                Quote: radio operator
                Laplace, shortly before the Russian campaign, showed Napoleon the book "On the dispensation of the world." The emperor asked: "Do I not see God in your book?" “Sire, I don't need this theory.” - "My army too." The army was infected with atheism.

                Dear Ph.D., do you not know what to pull quotes on any topic, yes from reputable authors, and tearing it out of context - not just easy, but very easy. Well, they will not give more weight to any statement. Do not give. Do you believe yourself? And why should I trust Laplace more (no matter what genius he is in the field of mathematics) or you, than myself? That’s all faith ...
                1. radio operator
                  radio operator 13 May 2013 08: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: retired
                  Dear Ph.D., do you not know what to pull quotes on any topic, yes from reputable authors, and tearing it out of context - not just easy, but very easy. Well, they will not give more weight to any statement. Do not give. Do you believe yourself? And why should I trust Laplace more (no matter what genius he is in the field of mathematics) or you, than myself? That’s all faith ...

                  What does the phrase have to do with it? They only brighter confirm what was happening.
          2. the polar
            the polar 8 May 2013 18: 35 New
            -1
            Quote: radio operator

            You recall how the Russian army behaved, driving Napoleon to Paris? Not a single case of looting, violence, murder of civilians, etc. And as the Napoleonic army marched, free of religious prejudice, saturated with the spirit of the liberal revolution, burned, robbed, raped along the way. No wonder Napoleon closed the way back south of the Smolensk road, he returned the way where there was nothing after him.
            A believer can kill a person, protecting his life, the life of his relatives, the Fatherland. But to shoot in all directions, ruining innocent lives - no. This can only be done by a person without a worldview, without the concepts of “what is good and what is bad”, soulless person. After all, atheists deny the presence of the soul.

            Or maybe you’ll recall how the armies of Kolchak and Denikin behaved, consisting of entire regiments of punishers, under the banners of the “Holy Cross,” staffed by volunteers serving in the Russian Orthodox Church
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 13 May 2013 09: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Polar
              Or maybe you’ll recall how the armies of Kolchak and Denikin behaved, consisting of entire regiments of punishers, under the banners of the “Holy Cross,” staffed by volunteers serving in the Russian Orthodox Church

              Wow, this is something new and liberal. Tell me an alternative version of liberalism.
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        1. radio operator
          radio operator 8 May 2013 14: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: Ghen75
          The bandits in Syria are all polite believers - and their heads are cut off with the name of Allah on their lips, and I don’t want to talk about other atrocities.

          Please do not confuse believers and fanatics. Orthodox fanatics are no less dangerous for believers and others. These are different things.
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      5. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 8 May 2013 11: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: radio operator
        I am an atheist, looking from underneath said Anointed. "
        As they say, no comment.
        Yevsyukov said the same thing, the "world" in the USA have the same worldview. For them there is no concept of good and evil. It is only instilled in the faith of good - in God. Whether we like it or not.

        The bandits in Syria are all polite believers - and their heads are cut off with the name of Allah on their lips, and I don’t want to talk about other atrocities.
        The spiritual core in the USSR stood on 3 pillars - parents, school, culture, and the church was present here exclusively optional. Now the school provides educational services (!!!), parents earn money for these services, and the culture has been replaced by zomboyas - there is only one church left, as a result, most of the children lack it alone to cultivate this core.
        Well, as regards morality, I disgust both Navalny, who screams corruption with one mouth, and arranges for false information for a Schengen visa with the other and shouts that he did not rob Kirovles if he had his signatures on documents, as well as people like djon3volta, who aspire to all who He thinks that he is not to be included in the execution lists. hi
      6. the polar
        the polar 8 May 2013 18: 30 New
        -1
        "I recalled an interview from Belgorod that was shown recently: an operative major asking the just-caught shooter:" What are you doing, bastard? It seems to be Orthodox, but are you shooting people?
        “I am an atheist, looking from underneath said the Anointed One.”
        As they say, no comment.
        Yevsyukov said the same thing "
        --------------------------------------------

        Well, why are you distorting the information? No one found out Orthodoxy from the killers you mentioned. Already this information manipulation of yours casts doubt on the beneficial influence of religion. But the example of the Orthodox Plato Elenin, in the world of Boris Berezovsky, is much more interesting for the concept of the role of the church in society.
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 13 May 2013 09: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Polar
          But the example of the Orthodox Plato Elenin in the world of Boris Berezovsky is much more interesting for the concept of the role of the church in societies

          Even Berezovsky was buried in the Greek noncanonical sectarian cemetery. And his whole life says that he was not an Orthodox believer. He didn’t even carry a cross.
          A tree is known by its fruits. And its fruits are permeated with a liberal spirit. Nothing to do with Christianity.
    3. consul
      consul 8 May 2013 08: 38 New
      +5
      The secular state is a myth invented by atheist believers, because the rulers are guided in their lives and work by certain spiritual values. You have your own faith-atheism, your priests, your services, chants, teachings, your scripture, icons, finally. Why a myth? Yes, because under the name secular one can push into the brains of people any "universal values", for example, sodomy, pedophilia, teaching debauchery from school, juvenile, etc., there are plenty of examples around the world. Of course, what would their case be successful they need to destroy Christianity, in particular in Russia, and for this they have all the means they need, now you have "understood" that the Russian Orthodox Church is an intermediary business, for which they kindly "informed you".
      Minus did not set you.
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 8 May 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        Dear Denis, have you read the Bible? Thoughtfully with a pencil? Read, very informative. No wonder the church invented such a “science” - exegesis.
  7. Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 8 May 2013 07: 35 New
    +5
    It’s too late to include propaganda, it’s good that there are volunteers who do the work for the state. Which should promote a healthy lifestyle, family values, patriotism, etc. What and what and what in the USSR it was delivered hara, from films that were masterpieces and which I am now reviewing and can watch endlessly, ending with various youth organizations. And now, if they’re shooting, then about bandits, thieves, drunkards, etc. And there are very few youth organizations. I hope the state will take up his head.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 8 May 2013 07: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Phantom Revolution
      Hmm late propaganda included

      It's never too late to do.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 8 May 2013 09: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: retired
        It's never too late to do.

        Of course, better late than never, but at what "price"?
  8. djon3volta
    djon3volta 8 May 2013 08: 00 New
    +8
    It’s not in vain that Brzezinski said that in order to break the Russian spirit, it is necessary to destroy Orthodoxy and faith of the Russians. Therefore, now the mass media launched a machine to descredit the church and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church. And after all, many not-so-distant minds are easily conducted, and they hate everything It’s connected with the church, and they support all kinds of pusivrots and various antichrist. Although the whole topic with churches was not covered in the USSR, people went to church, prayed, were baptized. Even during the Second World War, this was elicited when the old women stood by the road, convoyed columns of soldiers baptized them on the road, it was even shown in films.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 8 May 2013 08: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: djon3volta
      Now the media launched a machine to descredit the church, and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church.


      The Russian Orthodox Church has done so much for its own discredit that no special machine is needed. One chaplin costs a battalion of heavy shit-throwers.
    2. kostella85
      kostella85 8 May 2013 08: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: djon3volta
      The media launched a machine to descredit the church, and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church.


      This car the top and middle leaders of the church started themselves, it’s just that I, for example, already got tired of how priestly trains in cars of 3-5 mil. rubles are being rolled out in the region, and as grannies, sincerely believers, they pour tequila at banquets in Lent. (Out of the corner of my eye I saw such an event in March 2008).
      No one disputes that there are normal priests, but they serve in distant ruined parishes, and effective priests serve in "good" parishes !!!
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 8 May 2013 11: 13 New
      +1
      I want everything for you, raise the respected rating, but I can’t cheto. are you sitting on it or what? Joke. And why do not let you raise the rating? Do not know? Although all these are children's toys for kindergartens. And in many ways you are right.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 8 May 2013 12: 21 New
        -1
        John! Well, have you really slapped me minus? No rise .... to - I wanted the best ...
    4. itkul
      itkul 8 May 2013 11: 53 New
      -2
      Quote: djon3volta
      It’s not in vain that Brzezinski said - in order to break the Russian spirit, it is necessary to destroy Orthodoxy and faith among Russians. Therefore, now the media launched a machine to descredit the church, and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church


      But you Tatars are Orthodox, strange, I thought you go to the mosque to pray
  9. seller trucks
    seller trucks 8 May 2013 08: 03 New
    +2
    add my "spoon of honey":

    "The foundations of the social concept" of the Moscow Patriarchate were drawn up in the synagogue. "


    The media often characterize the "Fundamentals of the Social Concept of the MP" as a document that has no analogues in the history of the Orthodox Church. And this is true, if only because the author of this document, along with Metropolitan Kirill (Gundyaev), is ... a Jewish rabbi Adolf Shaevich. This conclusion becomes inevitable when comparing the "Fundamentals of the social concept" of the MP with the "Fundamentals of the social concept of Russian Judaism", signed by Shaevich. Both documents are simply filled with vast text fragments matching word for word!

    V. Ivankov "Adolf Shaevich as the spiritual father of Metropolitan Kirill"
    http://www.omolenko.com/otstuplenie/kirill_shaevich.htm

    such matters, Orthodox
    1. consul
      consul 8 May 2013 09: 04 New
      +7
      The patriarch is not the pope of us Orthodox Christians. As soon as (if) he begins to change the creed, he will actually cease to be Orthodox, especially the Patriarch. And since we are talking about a social concept (not a creed), it is not surprising that there are similarities.
      But in general it’s sad to look, they saw something negative, so come from gloating and poison; the positive is also bad. Maybe you can look for the reasons in yourself, so to speak, to raise logs?
  10. fenix57
    fenix57 8 May 2013 08: 14 New
    +8
    "In the past war, undoubtedly, our people fought for the truth and put millions and millions of their lives, the lives of their children in this struggle," - BUT NOW WE HAVE TO FIGHT AGAINST SECRET ENEMIES ....- "HOUSE-2, .. IN BRAZIL .." - after all, it is interesting there for "youngsters" ... The war is not over, it continues! ... without a reboot ...
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 8 May 2013 08: 46 New
      +9
      “Battle for the minds” we are losing. 2 House is not the main battlefield, there are also "contacts" the largest nursery of "porn", facebook and other stuff. Definitely, the introduction of "Censorship" at least for children.
      1. kostella85
        kostella85 8 May 2013 08: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: seller trucks
        Definitely, the introduction of "Censorship" at least for children.


        Parents should keep an eye on the children, and when they are at school, then it is school! Online censorship should be at least !!!
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 8 May 2013 09: 17 New
          +5
          and no one argues, only in practice, as a rule, the opposite happens, for a number of objective and not very reasons. you say - school, there used to be teachers, but now teachers, nobody teaches children, plus this fucking school reform. as for the Internet, I fundamentally disagree, you either did not understand me, or I did not understand you. I am for the introduction for a certain AGE segment, censorship.
          1. kostella85
            kostella85 8 May 2013 09: 26 New
            +1
            At home, put "baby filters", the same as in schools and that's it !!!
            1. Phantom Revolution
              Phantom Revolution 8 May 2013 13: 29 New
              0
              Children's filters bypass easily, there was a report, especially in search engines the words "wet pussy" has a double meaning.
        2. Galina
          Galina 8 May 2013 11: 04 New
          -1
          kostella85: "There should be a minimum of censorship on the Internet !!!"
          Do you like to climb porn sites, collect any strawberries, or what, are you afraid of censorship?
  11. Renat
    Renat 8 May 2013 08: 14 New
    +9
    I do not want to offend anyone's feelings. Faith in God is in everyone's soul. He who remembers the feat of his grandfathers and does not betray the memory of the saint.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Renat
        Renat 8 May 2013 09: 00 New
        +1
        Do not be rude. It is not for you to judge whether I believe in something or not.
    2. consul
      consul 8 May 2013 09: 14 New
      +7
      And why not the image of the Transfiguration of Christ or His Resurrection, where He is shining? In the image the moment where the Savior fasted before going out to preach, then it was necessary to lay out how the Patriarch fasts (of course, this will not look the same). We make the temple and its interior beautiful. based on the fact that it should be an image of the Glory of God.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 8 May 2013 09: 19 New
        +1
        and at the same time next to this demo the author put a photo of his apartment and car and ask-Feel the difference?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 10: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: consul
        . We make the temple and its interior beautiful, on the basis that it should be the image of the Glory of God.

        They won’t catch you, thoughts work differently.
    3. Jeka
      Jeka 8 May 2013 13: 28 New
      +4
      This picture would be more appropriate here:

      Although I am not a believer, I respect Serbian Patriarch Paul very much for his modesty and humanity.
      In general, I think that religion is one of the brakes of progress, conscience and morality are what man should rely on, but with modern "democratic" conscience and values, humanity will not go far
      1. Slav
        Slav 13 May 2013 11: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: wih
        This picture would be more appropriate here:

        This is called bias.
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 8 May 2013 08: 17 New
    13
    I don’t want to comment on anything before the holiday, I just congratulate everyone on Victory, on the victory of our fathers and grandfathers !!
  13. arajsman
    arajsman 8 May 2013 08: 22 New
    0
    Just do not take an example from priests who sell in temples and set all prices.
  14. Combitor
    Combitor 8 May 2013 08: 24 New
    -2
    And what kind of battle is Mr. Gundyaev preparing for? Or he decided to mobilize young people in military Black-Hundred squads for the tsar-father, i.e. All-Russian Fuhrer of GDP to fight against those who oppose the current anti-Russian Putin regime?
    And there is no need to mix the feat of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War with what is happening in our country now.
    Talked with many veterans. Their heart bleeds from what the rulers of our country have done over the past twenty years. Their words: "We shed our blood, and these degenerates without a fight, in peacetime gave our country to enemies."
    I did not want to talk about bad things before the holiday, but the authorities and priests themselves provoke people.
    And I congratulate our veterans on the Great Holiday. The eternal memory of the fallen and already dead heroes. I want our veterans to live longer. So that the Russian rulers do not forget what unpaid debt they owe to them and how much they simply did not want to do for them.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 8 May 2013 09: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: Kombitor
      And what kind of battle is Mr. Gundyaev preparing for?

      And why do you think that the Patriarch or any of the clergy will not defend the Motherland? My dear, they just stood up for the defense of the Fatherland in the forefront!
      "There are no atheists in the trenches."
      William Cummings
      Quote: Kombitor
      Or he decided to mobilize young people in military Black-Hundred squads for the tsar-father, i.e. All-Russian Fuhrer of GDP to fight against those who oppose the current anti-Russian Putin regime?

      Naturally, I am also for the GDP and against the participants on Bolotnaya, because by removing the GDP and the Russian Orthodox Church, gay pride parades and cattle-parade parades will immediately come out. And, as in Holland, pedophiles are quickly legalized.
      I do not need such "freedom"! More than sure that our veterans do not need such freedom.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 10: 37 New
      +5
      Here I read komenty and wonder how many people have rudeness, ignorance and simple human stupidity. The patriarch congratulated, called for a good cause, but no ... it’s not possible with us. It is necessary to spit on a person, to crap, to blame for all sins. All here are atheists and everyone, like one celebrated Easter at home, but painted eggs. If in you on the eve of the holiday there is no unity and respect for each other, so why the hell do you whine that your life is worthless ??? Corruption is with you, they steal from you, Caucasians are overgrown, so it will be even worse for you, because as you sit barking, sit and pour water over the patriarch. You turn any good word into G ... about, with your tongues. Look at yourself better, or here all the saints on the site have gathered, each truth-seeker is a specialist who builds himself, even without opening the bible in his life. The patriarch prays and holds the post, but you plump and cheat on your wives. You need a warrior and a good one, so that you would finally see a brother in every Russian person, and not an enemy. And this concerns everyone and an official who was getting caught and a schoolboy, who is building a specialist from himself here. Tired of you already!
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 8 May 2013 16: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here I read komenty and wonder how many people have rudeness, ignorance and simple human stupidity. The patriarch congratulated, called for a good cause, but no ... it’s not possible with us.

        Yes, you are right, Alexander. Instead of joining the right and right words, they begin to slur the liberal bullshit.
        Victory Day gives way to hatred. They got it, as they say.
        Fully agree with
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I don’t want to comment on anything before the holiday, I just congratulate everyone on Victory, on the victory of our fathers and grandfathers !!

        I know that he is an atheist, but he acted with dignity. Well done, respect.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 18: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: radio operator

          I know that he is an atheist, but he acted with dignity. Well done, respect

          I also know, but I acted like a Russian man!
  15. Egoza
    8 May 2013 08: 25 New
    +7
    All with the upcoming holiday! On the one hand, it’s good that the patriarch mentioned the heroes of the Second World War (I’d like to say: “Bravo guys! Work well!”) And on the other hand, why is it only reported in the media? And where are the reports on the events held in schools, in institutes? What, we no longer have “lessons of courage”, meetings with veterans, just any trips to places of military glory? But it was all this, it was! And the children took part with pleasure, and listened to gray-haired people with orders on their chests ... We had so many days off, really nothing could be organized? People! We have something to fight for! For our memory, for our history, for OUR HEROES! They are all HEROES! Defended both our country and our lives! And do not rely only on the Russian Orthodox Church in terms of education! This education depends on each of us!
  16. JonnyT
    JonnyT 8 May 2013 08: 49 New
    +5
    He himself took an example from them ..... He calls it of course well, but people are more inspired by a personal example.
    When the Catholic pope refused a limousine, he was asked what he thinks about it. So he condemned this - he says that if you need to use it ... I immediately remember a photo where a man in an expensive black suit is adjusting his headdress
  17. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 8 May 2013 08: 50 New
    +5
    I don’t want to discuss now on that topic whether or not Alexander Matrosov, 28 Panfilov’s were, someone else ... There weren’t one - there were others. Otherwise, we would hardly have won such a war. Only when citizen Gundyaev speaks about the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, is this, excuse me, even worse than vomiting powder. Since this same citizen (God forbid, it was just a couple of years ago, in 2011) dared to say about the Great Patriotic War that 26 million people died not for refusing to betray their country, not embodying their own allegiance to the oath, not during fulfillment of their direct duties, and one in redemption of "apostasy in the days of the Bolsheviks." By the way, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya falls into the same cute list. And one more thing connected with the Great Patriotic War. With the light hand of the same citizen Gundyaev, the Synod of Bishops issues the following opuses: “Nevertheless, to the question:“ Was General A. A. Vlasov and his associates traitors of Russia? ”, We answer“ no, not a bit. ”All that was they undertook - it was done specifically for the Fatherland, in the hope that the defeat of Bolshevism would lead to the reconstruction of a powerful national Russia. " For those who are especially interested, the Russian Orthodox Church’s website can hardly be considered liberal media. http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/700/000mitrofanovstatement.html
    I don’t comment at all, because I am well acquainted with the history of the 2nd Shock, and with how they restored the good names of those who died under Myasniy Bor, Keresty, and how the betrayal of one person became a tragedy for thousands of families for decades.
    Excuse me, but after this, when Gundyaev says at least a word about the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, he only opens his mouth and already desecrates their memory.
    Anticipating some questions: he was baptized into Orthodoxy in 1954, almost immediately after birth. Parents were not afraid, although his father was an officer, and then the times were somewhat different from the present. Only here, unlike many, a real person and PGM (Orthodoxy of the brain) do not suffer.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 8 May 2013 09: 33 New
      0
      Do you believe in the existence of God, the divine essence?
      and where can you read about 26 million people? only real source
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 8 May 2013 09: 49 New
      0
      I read something completely different:

      “It was on this day (the day of St. George the Victorious - IF) that the Second World War ended. The very fact that these events coincided was a sign, because what happened in those terrible years reveals in many ways the secret of Divine mercy,” the patriarch said on Wednesday after the Divine Liturgy in St. George's Church on Poklonnaya Hill.
      He cited data according to which 26 thousand people died in the war against fascist Germany, noting that "this is the size of a whole country, this is a colossal shock for the people, the foundations of a people's life."
      "Many experts in the field of military affairs said that the enemy was so well organized, armed, superior to us in every way possible that our victory cannot be perceived as a miracle," said the primate of the Russian Orthodox Church.
      He noted that the people were bleeding, lost millions of fellow citizens and at the same time defended the capital, then launched an offensive and defeated the enemy.
      Our people atoned for the sin of apostasy, the destruction of shrines, the rejection of God, the reproach of all that was holy and great, which was their blood. The Lord, accepting this sacrifice of atonement, did not allow the destruction of our country


      dared to declare about the Great Patriotic War that 26 million people died not for refusing to betray their country, not embodying their own allegiance to the oath, not during the performance of their direct duties,
      Is this a personal addition?
  18. pensioner
    pensioner 8 May 2013 08: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: radio operator
    “I am an atheist, looking from underneath said the Anointed One.”
    As they say, no comment.

    Chikatilo was a believer. Still toss ?. The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters. SLEEP. And not faith in God or denial of his existence. Again, atheism is built on the scientific picture of the world. And I'm a physicist.
    1. consul
      consul 8 May 2013 09: 39 New
      +2
      Is it scientific? Explain the Lancian miracle (http://azbyka.ru/tserkov/chudo/5g14_1.shtml) then, you are a physicist. By the way, I have an acquaintance, a believing candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, a teacher at a state university.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 8 May 2013 10: 25 New
        0
        Quote: consul
        Is it scientific? Explain the Lancian miracle (http://azbyka.ru/tserkov/chudo/5g14_1.shtml) then, you are a physicist.

        Science studies natural phenomena, but not miracles. True, with explanations of these phenomena it is not always immediately obtained, but more often long and painful. For explanations of miracles - to the church. Everything is simple there. Of scientists, not only your acquaintance believes in God. N.N. Polikarpov, N.V. Timofeev-Risovsky (offhand) were deeply religious people. It is not a matter of faith.
        Quote: consul
        Is it scientific?
        And what about the anti-scientific? Hmm ... but I didn’t know ...
        Long talk. Not here. The topic is set by the article.
      2. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 8 May 2013 14: 26 New
        0
        Has anyone done a chemical analysis of this substance? What is called "under the protocol"? With verification and rechecking?
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 8 May 2013 09: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Chikatilo was a believer. Still toss ?. The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters. SLEEP. And not faith in God or denial of his existence. Again, atheism is built on the scientific picture of the world. And I'm a physicist.

      Believers or just baptized? Lenin was also baptized, but that did not stop him from destroying millions of Russian people.
      By the way, Chikatilo had two higher educations.
      Quote: retired
      And I'm a physicist.

      So what? And I graduated from Baumanka with honors, Ph.D., for almost 17 years I have been working in the defense research institute. Only it doesn’t stop me from believing in the Truth;
      Quote: retired
      atheism is built on a scientific picture of the world

      Atheism is based on the denial of God. There is no scientific justification for atheism! Although, atheists certainly deserve respect for believing in nothing.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 8 May 2013 12: 33 New
        0
        For Baumanka - Well done! No questions. I dreamed of studying there, but there was not enough courage. Yes, and talent too. On this account, I was not mistaken. But FIZ faculty I finished. (3,47 average mark, but finished). Question: WHAT does life help you more: knowledge of thermodynamics and thermomech or quotes from the New Testament? The answer is obvious. It is not necessary to lump together the spiritual life of a person and his mundane existence (including in his professional hypostasis). Yes, a moral pagan will not be as dangerous to society as a militant Christian.
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 13 May 2013 10: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: retired
          Yes, a moral pagan will not be as dangerous to society as a militant Christian.

          A militant Christian is an unrelated word. The Christian, in principle, is not militant. If he really is.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 10: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: retired

      Chikatilo was a believer. Another toss?

      Do not write nonsense or already fool
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 8 May 2013 12: 05 New
        0
        Consider that at all. I saw a photo of him with a bible in his hands. If you have time and desire to find (I feel you have time for THIS). I'm lazy. If you don’t like the example with chikatilo_- it’s easy to find a sufficient number of believers (or declaring their faith) ghouls. If faith in God was a guarantee of worthy (well, or at least not socially dangerous) behavior of a person, then ... oh ... then sciences like “Pedagogy”, “Psychology”, “Psychiatry” and “Social Dialogue” (holy, holy ... but without it, no matter where), and you can still bring a couple of names. What for? Not born law-abiding (in the broad sense), then all - "Put out the light and hide behind the baseboard! I'm coming !!". Or arm yourself. Vera is not an assistant here.
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 13 May 2013 10: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: retired
          I saw a photo of him with a bible in his hands.

          So what of this?
          Holding the Bible in his hands does not mean that he is a believer.
  19. Vtel
    Vtel 8 May 2013 08: 56 New
    +7
    From the bible. In the Gospel of John (ch. 8, v. 7) the words of Jesus are quoted to the scribes and Pharisees who brought the harlot to him: “When they continued to ask him, he lifted himself up and said to them: who among you is without sin, first cast off a stone into it. ” Happy Victory Day!
  20. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 8 May 2013 09: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Oh, and now they are throwing in full wassat Compare this with Alexy II, even the language does not turn request Of course, he can only call who will listen to him. negative Of all the candidates, the most unsuccessful nosato was absolutely loyal to the authorities. sad With which I congratulate her love wassat

    Yes, it’s not about the patriarch and not about his political preferences. And about the degradation of youth, about the absence of any ideals and norms of behavior in society, in life. No faith! Only in the loot and believe. This is scary!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 8 May 2013 10: 23 New
      +4
      You're not right. A man whose very “snout in the gun” is trying to teach youth how to live! He has no right to it. First repent of your sins, give up material wealth, and if you beg your pardon, then teach the flock.
      The very poor peasant from the poorest village has more rights to this than he does. And his task is to monitor his church officials and pray to God, if he still believes in him.
  21. IRBIS
    IRBIS 8 May 2013 10: 00 New
    +8
    I've always been interested in the question. If a person deeply believes in God, then why ... is he a "mediator" for communicating with him in the form of a priest? And why does this priest assume the responsibility of the viceroy of God on Earth? Who "authorized" him? Why did the patriarch "impose" protection and use an armored car? But what about his faith in God, in his justice, in self-sacrifice for the sake of his neighbors? In my opinion, he generally should walk the streets, stomping dying barefoot into villages, crawling into children's homes on his knees. He devoted his life to the service of God, commandments sacredly observes. So let him serve the Almighty, but I can with God myself, without a pot-bellied "translator" to talk.
    1. Armata
      Armata 8 May 2013 10: 26 New
      +2
      Greetings to Alexander. Koment good absolutely support.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 8 May 2013 10: 54 New
        +1
        Hi Eugene! With coming you and your family!
  22. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 8 May 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    Although this article is not about this, IRBIS agrees with you on something. But you need to understand that there are truly holy people who truly believe in God among the clergy, and in my opinion there are most of them! And the media rarely talk about them, that's why such a negative impression develops.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 8 May 2013 14: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      there are really holy people who truly believe in God among the clergy, and in my opinion there are most of them!

      No doubt, I do not even argue! The trouble is that there are “majority” of such people, and there must be - without exception! And the church should be cleansed of the ballast, so as not to undermine their faith in God among believers.
  23. aviamed90
    aviamed90 8 May 2013 10: 18 New
    +2
    But does Vladyka not want to put himself as an example of youth? Or is it a sinner?
  24. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 8 May 2013 10: 28 New
    +4
    Those who put a minus to the article - do you think that Zhukov and Kosmodemyanskaya are unworthy to serve as an example for modern youth?
    All with the upcoming Victory Day !!!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 10 May 2013 13: 29 New
      -3
      Absolutely worthy!
      But do not compromise their feat with ambiguous, from the point of view of morality, people.
  25. runway
    runway 8 May 2013 10: 30 New
    +2
    It is definitely necessary to educate young people. But not in words, Gundyaev, but by his own example. What idol you have chosen for yourself, we know. And why is it necessary to prepare young people to sacrifice themselves? Will we purposefully prepare our youth for war? Isn't it better to educate our youth to be honest and decent people (there are examples in every family). But such people and their children will be rightly raised and defended in their harsh year.
  26. knn54
    knn54 8 May 2013 11: 03 New
    +5
    “It is necessary to ensure that in the coming war with Russia there WAS NOT A“ Young Guard ”, WASN'T Kosmodemyanskaya and Matrosov.” Collers Magazine, USA.
    SCARY that our enemies have already achieved MUCH in this direction.
  27. Chukcha
    Chukcha 8 May 2013 11: 42 New
    +3
    On the whole, the Patriarch said correctly, but did anyone else from the "powers that be" speak like that? Especially from the liberal wing ...
  28. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 May 2013 11: 54 New
    -1
    Well, at the expense of Zoe Kosmodemyanskaya I do not know, Soviet citizens themselves passed it, because she wanted to burn from the house in severe frosts.
  29. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 8 May 2013 12: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Renat
    I do not want to offend anyone's feelings. Faith in God is in everyone's soul. He who remembers the feat of his grandfathers and does not betray the memory of the saint.

    Well said, fully support.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 8 May 2013 12: 56 New
      0
      )
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      He who remembers the feat of his grandfathers and does not betray the memory of the saint.



      With IT and live! and PI .... DIM is about nothing. That is what the true PATRIARCH should say! Not once a year, but every day, and not only he, but all the worshipers, in all religious institutions, from morning to evening, and not to sing the funeral of the next villain, who died from the excessive use of alcohol and drugs, but who built the church (real estate) - in the understanding of modern figures of the Russian Orthodox Church).
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 10 May 2013 13: 34 New
        -1
        He should talk about GOD and show an example of the flock, and not fill his belly with worldly temptations to please the demon. He is the first among believers, but the same son of God, and not a saint in any way!
  30. Lapotnik
    Lapotnik 8 May 2013 12: 37 New
    0
    I am an atheist, but I believe. In love, sincerity, and other virtues. I do not always follow them, but I believe. Baptized - disappointed in the church, the last straw - the death of his father, mother died much earlier. Therefore, faith must be within itself, unfortunately it may not find expression in the best possible way. This is what you need to learn from the beginning - starting with the inner world and ending with the ways of expressing this inner world.

    Then there will be no need to urge someone to make heroes - there are not so many “pure” heroes, especially from real ones, for the majority of good deeds you can find a bad background and vice versa. It is necessary to learn how to set the right accents in order to align with the inner faith in good deeds, then there will be no need to look for heroes - the people will appreciate their deeds and deeds.

    Confusedly, but somehow.
    1. a jacket
      a jacket 8 May 2013 18: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Lapotnik
      Confusedly, but somehow.

      So, as it should!
  31. No_more
    No_more 8 May 2013 13: 58 New
    +4
    In general, the patriarch should not go into politics and sit in the Kremlin with or without. I’m sorry for believers - they turned the church into a closed joint-stock company. And hide behind the fact that if against them, then against faith. And the fact that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior rebuilt for budgetary and donated money was turned into commercial real estate is normal.
    But Mr. Gundyaev still has the audacity to teach someone morality and educate.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 8 May 2013 16: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: No_more
      In general, the patriarch should not go into politics and sit in the Kremlin with or without. I’m sorry for believers - they turned the church into a closed joint-stock company. And hide behind the fact that if against them, then against faith. And the fact that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior rebuilt for budgetary and donated money was turned into commercial real estate is normal.
      But Mr. Gundyaev still has the audacity to teach someone morality and educate.


      That's right - only a personal example is important, but today it is like this:
      1. Ilya Mikhalych
        Ilya Mikhalych 8 May 2013 17: 46 New
        -1
        Eden apple from Assassins Creed!? wassat
  32. gremlin1977
    gremlin1977 8 May 2013 21: 25 New
    0
    It is time to return the Old Believers. And nefig into the heroes to poke the BUTCHER about him, many veterans unflattering responded.