Patriarch Kirill encourages young people to follow the example of Marshal Zhukov and Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya

Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill called on the Russian people to mobilize for victory, as happened in the Great Patriotic War.

"If the Orthodox faith does not leave our hearts, and along with it, national self-consciousness and national pride, we will win victories, first of all those that we should win today: victories in strengthening the state, its defense capability, economic power, in deciding many social problems, "said the patriarch, addressing the participants in the St. George's youth parade, which took place on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow on Monday, on the day of remembrance of the great martyr George the Victorious.

"All this can be done if we are mobilized to win, if we are united as a people, if no political preferences, national, cultural or even religious differences destroy the true spiritual unity of our people," said the primate.

He recalled that on the day of the Great Martyr George the Victorious, which coincided with the celebration of Easter, hostilities stopped, "revealing to the whole world the invincible strength of the spirit of our people."

“Our people won a terrible war, where the toll of sacrifices went to millions, where military goals exceeded even the most terrible imagination. Probably no one ever set out to destroy the country completely, gradually killing and wresting the whole people,” said Patriarch Kirill.

He called on young people to follow the example of Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, George Zhukov, Alexander Matrosov, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya - "from those who, without reasoning, sacrificed their lives in the name of the Fatherland."

The parade was attended by hundreds of representatives of the brotherhoods of Orthodox rangers, cadet corps, military schools, patriotic clubs from different regions of Russia.

Prior to this, the patriarch performed a liturgy in the St. George's Church on Poklonnaya Hill. Addressing those gathered in the church, he recalled that the Great Martyr George was not only a symbol of victory of good over evil, a symbol of Moscow, but also "a symbol of intercession for all those people who are fighting for the truth."

“In the last war, undoubtedly, our people fought for the truth and laid down millions and millions of their lives, the lives of their children in this struggle,” he said.

Comments

[Ruslan67]

Oh, and now they are throwing in full Compare this with Alexy II, even the language does not turn Of course, he can only call who will listen to him. Of all the candidates, the most unsuccessful nosato was absolutely loyal to the authorities. With which I congratulate her

[vadimus]

Does the youth remember the real heroes then? And then on TV, the betmen are solid, but the supermen on the teapot. And all this with star-striped sauce. They say correctly that they come up with heroes, because there are none of them ..... But youth must be educated ...

[Nicholas C.]

Of course, we should take an example from our heroes, and not from strangers imposed by liberal propaganda. Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths. Someone to remind them is not superfluous.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Nikolai S.

it is necessary to take from their heroes, and not from those imposed by liberal propaganda.

Absolutely agree

Quote: Nikolai S.

Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths.

Its' his job

Quote: Nikolai S.

Someone to remind them is not superfluous.

But does he remember the Ten Commandments or is it just the charter of internal service?

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Ruslan67

Its' his job. But does he remember the Ten Commandments or is it just the charter of internal service?

I am jarred by vocabulary so hostile to our church. Already wrote below the answer to another colleague. There are places for you.

Quote: kostella85

our church elite was completely blown away by luxury and money, and these people are taught how to live

Rather, your head was blown away from anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox propaganda.
1. Who cares whom the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch? You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox. And they didn’t donate a penny to the Orthodox.
2. The church is, first of all, the elders.
3. The Orthodox Church does not teach you anything and how to live. She teaches those who have come to understand that one must come to the temple, speak with the priest.

Orthodox Russia with its church has won for centuries. And in the Great Patriotic War, the authorities had to turn to the church at a fatal moment. But then among our fathers and grandfathers there was little rotten folk. People in God believed who believed, and won, and not exchanged for gossip and slander.

[kostyan77708]

I fully support your comment !!!!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Nikolai S.

I am jarred by vocabulary so hostile to our church.

This applies to a particular senior official of the Russian Orthodox Church and, if not to the church itself. And for such an attitude towards him personally there are reasons

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ruslan67

This applies to a particular senior official of the Russian Orthodox Church and not to the church itself. And there are reasons for such an attitude towards him personally

Ruslan, oh, and I’m throwing you minuses now, but looking at the comment below in the double!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Ruslan, oh, and I’m throwing you minuses now, but looking at the comment below in the double!

Throw it! I catch! Do you think when I wrote I didn’t know what they were throwing? Only my personal attitude towards this patriarch will not change Yes, and the Russian Orthodox Church itself would not hurt to fix something

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Nikolai S.

You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox.

Orthodox Russian I was consciously baptized in 1992 at the age of 25. In Orthodoxy I bear the name Roman My Guardian Angel Roman - Songwriter

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Ruslan67

Orthodox Russian Baptism ceremony deliberately

You do not have a keyword: believer. This is the whole point. Not all who are baptized are believers and, especially, taking part in the life of the church. And whom to choose as the patriarch is the work of the church-believers.

You are responsible for your choice: for Yeltsin, for Putin, for Medvedev. How are they with the watch? Everything is fine?

Quote: kostella85

Because the baptized and the believer, and I donate for the restoration of the Dolmatovsky temple

Let me doubt it. I communicate with believers. They think differently.

Quote: kostella85

Cyril old man?

There is nothing wrong with the fact that you do not know what it is about.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Nikolai S.

You do not have a keyword: believer.

Not missing I’m not discussing issues of faith with anyone. Even with loved ones is my personal one that does not concern anyone

[kostella85]

Quote: Nikolai S.

1. Who cares whom the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch? You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox. And they didn’t donate a penny to the Orthodox.

1, Because I’m a baptized and a believer, I’m sacrificing for the restoration of the Dolmatovsky church, But to the church which is 300 meters from me, after the christening of my niece, not with my foot at all !!!!

Quote: Nikolai S.

2. The church is, first of all, the elders.

2, Cyril the Elder ???

Quote: Nikolai S.

3. The Orthodox Church does not teach you anything and how to live. She teaches those who have come to understand that one must come to the temple, speak with the priest.

See paragraph 1

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: kostella85

1, Because the baptized and the believer, and for the restoration of the Dolmatov temple I sacrifice

1 Look, do not do your alms before people so that they will see you: otherwise there will be no reward for you from your Heavenly Father.

2 So, when you do alms, do not blow before you, as the hypocrites do in synagogues and in the streets, so that people glorify them. Verily I say unto you, they already receive their reward.

3 But when you give alms, let your left hand not know what the right hand does,

4 that thy alms be in secret; and your Father who sees the secret will reward you clearly.
Ev from Matthew ch 6

[Armata]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Korea, your head was blown away from anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox propaganda.

Do not confuse anti-Russian, anti-Orthodox with anti-church. These are different things.

Quote: Nikolai S.

Do you care who the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch? You are an unbeliever. At least not Orthodox. And they didn’t donate a penny to the Orthodox.

It makes no difference to me who the priests chose for themselves. They have long been far from God. And about a penny, I'd rather give my grandmother on the street for bread than them for new Maybachs. Rotten your "respected church"

Quote: Nikolai S.

The church is, first of all, the elders.

And where are they?

Quote: Nikolai S.

. The Orthodox Church teaches you nothing and how to live. She teaches those who have come to understand that one must come to the temple, speak with the priest.

Well duck and who forbids? Go and do not forget to throw a dime on him and into the donation box.

Quote: Nikolai S.

Orthodox Russia with its church has won for centuries. And in the Great Patriotic War, the authorities had to turn to the church at a fatal moment. But then among our fathers and grandfathers there was little rotten folk. People in God believed who believed, and won, and not exchanged for gossip and slander.

You would have to speak at rallies. Stalin restored the church even before the war, and even opened 3 seminaries, from which it began to restore the church. And now it’s a rotten structure through and through.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mechanic

. And now it’s a rotten structure through and through.

Zhenya, how much do you know about the structure, do you know about armature, but about the Russian Orthodox Church, only from comments from TV and the Internet. And do not go to faith, you can’t, if you believe, you’ll finish the damn armature. In the meantime, minus

[Armata]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Zhenya, how much do you know about the structure, do you know about armature, but about the Russian Orthodox Church, only from comments from TV and the Internet. And do not go to faith, you can’t, if you believe, you’ll finish the damn armature. In the meantime, minus

Hi Sanya. I have to not only communicate with the engineering staff. I know perfectly well the person who is engaged in the restoration of churches and often communicate with him at the table about what the church has turned into.

[does it]

Quote: Nikolai S.

1. Who cares whom the Orthodox Church chose as the Patriarch

The fact of the matter is that it was not the church that chose the Kremlin. I watched the election of the union and the official pearl on one of the federal channels, the essence of which was that the Kremlin put Mr. Gundyaev on the post of patriarch and not the church.

[No_more]

Do not confuse faith and church. The church is gradually becoming another ministry. And even if a person donated nothing to the church (although there are enough budget items for the Russian Orthodox Church in frequency and institutes of other religions in general), why can't he criticize it for spending donations on luxury? Or is it a paid service?

There are many decent people in the church structure, but there are many dishonorable to say the least.

[does it]

[quote = No_more] There are many decent people in the church structure, but there are many dishonorable to say the least. [/ quote]
My PERSONAL OPINION is there two, three percent decent ...
[quote = No_more] Do not confuse faith and church.
Yes, no one confuses her, faith, happens not only religiously ...

[the polar]

Quote: Nikolay S.

And in the Great Patriotic War, the authorities had to turn to the church at a fatal moment.

It was not the "authorities at a fateful moment" that appealed, but the patriarch, on behalf of the ROC, turned to Stalin with a proposal to organize all-round assistance, and received consent.
Learn history not from Svanidze-Sakharov

[Slav]

Quote: Polar

It was not the "authorities at a fateful moment" that appealed, but the patriarch, on behalf of the ROC, turned to Stalin with a proposal to organize all-round assistance, and received consent.
Learn history not from Svanidze-Sakharov

Actually, in 1941, Stalin met with three metropolitans at the initiative of Stalin himself. By the way, the Metropolitan was not yet there. He was elected only in 1943.

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Of course, we should take an example from our heroes, and not from strangers imposed by liberal propaganda. Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths. Someone to remind them is not superfluous.

But doesn’t it seem to you that he, as a representative of the highest spiritual authority, is also responsible for what is happening ??
And the power in his hands is no less than the state !! So you heard from his mouth a protest against the show of House-2 or other vulgarity ??
Religion must always stand aside!
When the state merges with religion, its functions are eroded by laws, decrees and simply speeches ....

[Ruslan67]

Quote: APASUS

! So you heard from his mouth a protest against the show of House-2 or other vulgarity ??

Purely bureaucratic principle - do not sin, do not repent Price list at reception

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: APASUS

did you hear from his mouth a protest against the show of House-2 or other vulgarity?

Do you seriously believe that believers are watching House-2?

The task of the church is to catch human souls, to heal souls. Healthy souls are not afraid of temptations, not evil devilish propaganda in any guise.

It is the task of our entire society to rid our country of Houses-2, sodomites, defilers of our Russianness, juveniles and other Western poison. However, in reality, people who believe in this, basically, are opposed to this. up to the highest hierarchs. Therefore, our church and attack. The fact that you do not hear their protests is just your problem.

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Do you seriously believe that believers are watching House-2?

You are a naive person!
And what on TV only Dom-2 sins with debauchery on TV? Take a movie for any program - if there is no murder, no drunkenness, then there is no plot! So then the believer should not watch TV at all !!!

Quote: Nikolai S.

Therefore, our church and attack.

Forgive me, dear, but recently the entire Internet was jammed with pictures of a priest in Bentley !! Well, it’s not the Sadomites who dragged him there or the Yuvinals posted a photo on his page !!
I’m not saying that some of the priests in the accident were simply drunk and on cars worth 10-20 years of work of a parishioner! Isn’t they taught in the Temple to be modest? All these legends about the gifts of the parishioners are already sore!
The church has become an integral part of society - with all its sins !!!
That’s why I wrote before that the Church should always be separated from the state of BEING ABOUT IT, and not becoming part of it !! My misfortune is that I see it! I go to high offices and see what happens during the construction, reconstruction of the same Temples. And you cannot convince me that the church at this stage heals the souls of people!

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: APASUS

I’m in high offices and see what happens during the construction and reconstruction of the same Temples. And you won’t convince me that the church at this stage heals the souls of people!

I imagined a picture of you walking through high offices and there you are shown what is going on. I won't even comment on the "offices".

Otherwise, do not promise.
The dust.
Somehow I was helped by a lawyer (or I), a guy then 46 years old, a colonel of foreign intelligence, only from service. The wife (two children) fell under the totalitarian sect and was inflamed with the desire to divide, sell off property and take to the sect. (He could not defeat the sect with his capabilities. I will not write why). As it turned out, there are no (or not to be found) specialists in psychiatry who can really reprogram. But the Orthodox priests who cope with this, as it turned out, are. Then he learned that such a situation is not so rare.

PS. I do not convince you. You convince yourself here.

[APASUS]

Quote: Nikolai S.

I imagined a picture of you walking through high offices and there you are shown what is going on. I won't even comment on the "offices".

And do not comment!
I have a friend in the Vologda Oblast, sawing planks at my sawmill. I suggested that I go to the monastery, they’re rebuilding nearby. The monastery is probably 300 years old and looks like it’s old. We have witnessed how the monks are trying to restore the roof from, say, the wrong material. My friend suggested Abbot, now we’ll drive Kamaz with a board and the roof will be ready. The abbot refused. His speech was something like this.
What do you think that I have no way to build a roof? I don’t offer money for the whole monastery, they offer money! ONLY IN LABOR AND PRAYER THE MONASTERY MUST BE BORN AGAIN! This is what I understand a man with Faith in his soul!
And more:
The Temple was rebuilt in our city. But it stands on a mountain and the road there is not very convenient. One had only to turn to the parishioners and they quickly drove excavators, bulldozers and paved the road where they liked. Especially without straining themselves in the preparation of documentation, coordination, or clarification of law land ownership. I know by the fact that a relative works in the City Hall.
Here are two Rivers, but how differently they approach restoration.
I think their Faith is different. One believes in the dollar, and the other in God!

[avt]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Of course, we should take an example from our heroes, and not from strangers imposed by liberal propaganda. Praise the Patriarch for recalling elementary truths. Someone to remind them is not superfluous.

Well, there’s practically nothing to object, one moment really confuses. I remember how people suggested to the church authorities to recognize Zoya as a martyr, I won’t say the answers and arguments against. But who actually prevents the Patriarch from not just expressing himself, but specifically and purposefully carrying out work to heroize the Patriots who gave their lives for the Fatherland ?? Actually, in a vacuum of ideology, this is his direct responsibility to the country.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: avt

who actually prevents the Patriarch from not just expressing himself, but specifically and purposefully carrying out work to heroize the Patriots who gave their lives for the Fatherland?

There is a synodal commission for the canonization of saints in the Orthodox Church. During the presidency of the Metropolitan of Krutitsky and Kolomensky Juvenal (1989-2011), 1866 ascetics of piety, including 1776 new martyrs and confessors of Russia, were counted as saints of the Russian Orthodox Church. Now the bishop of Trinity Pankraty, governor of the Holy Transfiguration Valaam Monastery, has been appointed chairman of the Commission. Canonization is not easy and quick. However, all who are worthy of veneration inevitably receive it. Orthodox know their heroes. Whether their readers of the liberal media and the audience of the zombie man know, I am not aware.

[avt]

Quote: Nikolai S.

However, all who are worthy of veneration inevitably receive it.

Well, canonization has always been preceded by a fairly wide explanatory work, does it interfere with it then? This is completely within the authority of the Patriarch. Remember how the theme of the royal family was promoted. From what did the Heroes of the Soviet time of those who died for the Fatherland not even be pushed into the second row, but simply put into oblivion? Now they have come to their senses, having played in the fight against the totalitarian past, but here again the question. Do they want to saddle the topic or have seriously taken care of the spiritual future of Russia? Here I have no definite answer to this question ..... There is doubt - there is no answer and this statement of the Patriarch does not give an answer either.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: avt

canonization has always been preceded by a fairly wide explanatory work, does it hinder it then? This is completely within the authority of the Patriarch. Remember how the theme of the royal family spun

Do not confuse the church and what happened around the remains from the Yekaterinburg burial. God gave me to take part in that. It was to my friend Abramov that Helium Ryabov brought three skulls from that burial in the early 80s. In 91, during the putsch, Abramov was still "held by his pants", "they say, the communists will come", when he was driving as an expert to the officially opened burial place by the Yekaterinburg prosecutor's office. In the future, this case was taken over by the Prosecutor General's Office and the Government Commission, which was led by a character named Nemtsov (the same one). They were the main sources of news. And also the colleagues who screwed up and got kicked out, they threw shit on the fan in the press. The patriotic media was worried. Especially "Russian Bulletin" by A. Senin. Ambition also played a role because of the importance of the case. For example, the secretary of Nemtsov Aksyutsits took and published a crap book called "Repentance". He was then driven out of the Union of Orthodox Citizens. P. Ivanov hastened to publish the results of his expert opinion of the geneticist. Deciphered only 835 letters, one mismatch. A scandal arose. I had to prove that there is mtDNA mutation, that there are mutations. Then, within the framework of another work, geneticists took care of such a parameter as the rate of mutations. In short, now everyone knows about haplogroups and who came from whom. And also a sea of ​​all sorts of high-profile events. Only the church has nothing to do with them. Juvenal, who was a member of the Government Commission "drank a lot of them blood," only behaved very carefully and did not give reasons for the press himself. As it turned out, he was then negotiating the reunification of the ZRPC and the ROC. And here, to the relics in Belgium, belonging to the ZRPC, more potential relics were acquired.

So do not confuse the meaningless and irresponsible mess in the incomprehensible to whom the media owned with the work of the Synodal Commission. Everything is different there. Want to know which one, start living a church life. And those who are ranked have lives. In short, if you know the lives of even the saints, not much will seem.

[avt]

Quote: Nikolai S.

So do not confuse the meaningless and irresponsible mess in the incomprehensible to whom the media owned with the work of the Synodal Commission. Everything is different there. Want to know which one, start living a church life. And those who are ranked have lives. In short, if you know the lives of even the saints, not much will seem.

Speaking about the promotion of the royal family, I did not mean the burial in the Peter and Paul Cathedral, this is a topic of a completely different conversation. At one time, I also visited the publishing house of the patriarchy, the bookstore of the Sretensky monastery, and also got acquainted with the books that are published at the Church of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Petrovsky Park, which was curated by priest Smirnov. Since you live a church life, you do not need to explain who it is. So, since the 90s, printed matter, not to be confused with the religious that was distributed there, fit into the Govorukhin formula - Russia that we lost. Everything fit into the uncomplicated form of exposing the atheistic power and exaltation of the white movement. A dead end not leading to consolidation. Well, it can't be a unifying idea to settle accounts when reviewing the outcome of the Civil War. If it finally reached the leaders of the church - well, God forbid. But I repeat - not yet convinced.

[the polar]

Quote: Nikolay S.

During the presidency of the Metropolitan of Krutitsky and Kolomensky Juvenal (1989-2011), 1866 ascetics of piety, including 1776 new martyrs and confessors of Russia, were counted as saints of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Yes, "new martyrs", Tsar Nikolashka, Kolchak, Ataman Krasnov, etc.
It was not enough for Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and Alexander Matrosov to be included in this campaign.

[Refund_SSSR]

Quote: vadimus

They say correctly that they come up with heroes, because there are none of them ..... And youth must be educated ...

So there it is! and Muromets has not gone anywhere and Nevsky is still in memory and there are more than enough heroes of the Second World War. And where is the education?
On a box of gum club with drischa Pasha and a blockhead in clown suits and Ramba with Betman.

[No_more]

Young people take an example from those who are visible and who have the opportunity to show themselves. So do not educate anyone, you need to be an example. And with rods and the instigation of opinion only anger can be raised and disgust.

[kostella85]

Quote: Ruslan67

Of all the candidates, they chose the most unsuccessful nosato absolutely loyal to the authorities. With which I congratulate her

Patriarch Kirill (in the world, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev; November 20, 1946, Leningrad, USSR), among other things, a full-time employee of the KGB of the USSR

So he would have taken an example from these people, the head of our church elite has been blown away by luxury and money, and these people are learning how to live !!!!!!

[zart_arn]

We do not know whether Mr. Gundyaev is a full-time employee of the authorities, but owning an apartment in Moscow (litigated due to dust) and an expensive breget, he puts himself outside the monotonous clergy (monasticism), of which only the Patriarch can be.

[Denis]

But it is interesting to know from whom the patriarch’s wards take an example ??? Bukhiv drive on luxury foreign cars, people ruin ...

[kostella85]

Quote: Denis

But it is interesting to know from whom the patriarch’s wards take an example ??? Bukhiv drive on luxury foreign cars, people ruin ...

We always take an example from the leadership !!!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: kostella85

So he would have taken an example from these people, the head of our church elite has been blown away by luxury and money, and these people are learning how to live !!!!!!

Quote: Denis

But it is interesting to know from whom the patriarch’s wards take an example ??? Bukhiv drive on luxury foreign cars, people ruin ...

We are an interesting people, you were encouraged to follow the example of the true heroes of the Russian land, and you: the "stupid person" himself. Well, yes, there are a lot of jambs in the camp of the ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church, but what did he say wrong? Or because the patriarch has Patek Philip on his arm, should we, in spite of this appeal, start admiring Genghis Khan or Hitler?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Vladimirets

Or because the patriarch has Patek Philip on his arm,

Yes, that’s not the point. I have a personal relationship with him because, although I’m pretty captain, I’m familiar with it. And so I can immediately see what is now called double standards. If the Union was made, he would make a strong secretary of the regional committee

[kostella85]

Quote: Vladimirets

We are an interesting people, you were encouraged to follow the example of the true heroes of the Russian land, and you yourself. Well, yes, there are a lot of jambs in the camp of the ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church, but what did he say wrong? Or because Patek Philip is hanging on the patriarch's arm, should we, in spite of this appeal, start to admire Genghis Khan or Hitler?

Koment is not a topic at all, B. A. Berezovsky also said a lot of good things, but the question is, from whose lips are the right words? !!!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: kostella85

B. A. Berezovsky also said a lot of good things, but the question is, from whose lips are the right words? !!!

For instance? Congratulations on your topic.

[kostella85]

Quote: Vladimirets

For example?

Cheto I fell into a stupor, even no one goes to mind !!!

[radio operator]

Quote: Vladimirets

We are an interesting people, you were encouraged to follow the example of the true heroes of the Russian land, and you are a "stupid person" himself. Well, yes, there are a lot of jambs in the camp of the ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church, but what did he say wrong?

I agree with you! The words are very correct, and retelling about the Patriarch's liberal nonsense - do not respect yourself.

[755962]

He encouraged youth to take an example.

This is about youth ...

But the same can be taken from the Chinese as an example ..
Chinese generals forbidden to roll out on Bentley

The Chinese military is forbidden to use premium class cars as official foreign cars, the Central Military Commission, headed by President Xi Jinping, decided. Cars worth more than 450 thousand yuan (73 thousand dollars) and an engine capacity of 3 liters or more were included in the black list of cars. This immediately left behind the line many models of Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lincoln, Cadillac, Bentley, Jaguar, Porsche, Land Rover, Audi and even Volkswagen (Phaeton).

More and more videos and photos of cars with military numbers appear on the Chinese Internet, among which luxury cars attract particular attention. The wave of indignation in the society is growing, which the new Chinese leader Xi Jinping could not ignore when he launched the large-scale anti-corruption campaign.

http://www.newsru.com/finance/07may2013/chinaauto.html

But this example is for our government.

[does it]

Quote: Ruslan67

Oh, and now they are throwing in full Compare this with Alexy II, even the language does not turn

[radio operator]

Right throw!
Liberasts are not welcome on this site.

[Hleb]

Well, for life it’s such a thing. Earlier (in childhood) everything was clear. This is a hero, this is an enemy. Today is ...
in the end, when did the patriarch urge Zhukov to be proud, on the other hand, the hypocrite Gundyaev shouted, Zhukov stole cars ...
(while writing, Ruslan confirmed above))

[Nayhas]

Gundyaev is a new political officer, such as Suslov. He reads from propaganda manuals, back in USSR in short ...
PS: there are not even questions why the Patriarch does not call to take an example from the new martyrs who sacrificed their lives for faith because a good conscience does not allow ...

[Scythian 35]

Put on a par with the saints of the Orthodox Church a direct idol !!! After all, even on this site they wrote that there was no such person as Alexander Matrosov !!! Presumably they expressed what kind of person could be under this name, and this is idol worship !!!

"Let the spiritual rulers become like the princes of the earth, and they build earthly palaces, and not temples of God, let them speak with their lips not the word of God in praise of our Lord, but the praise of the wicked, and bow their knees not before our Lord our God, but before the idols of the earth and they will give praise to them. "

In anticipation of the end of the world and the judgment of God.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Nayhas

GBshnaya

it’s very good that he served in the KGB. I’m glad that we have a lot of KGB officers in power. The KGB should be everywhere, in every city, village, street and house, the more KGB the better. There were no KGB du.ra. which means they are smarter than ordinary people.

[kostella85]

Quote: djon3volta

it’s very good that he served in the KGB. I’m glad that we have a lot of KGB officers in power. The KGB should be everywhere, in every city, village, street and house, the more KGB the better. There were no KGB du.ra. which means they are smarter than ordinary people.

NO WORDS !!!

[Armata]

Quote: djon3volta

it’s very good that he served in the KGB. I’m generally glad that we have a lot of KGB officers in power. The KGB should be everywhere, in every city, village, street and house, the more KGB the better. There were no KGB du.ra. which means they are smarter than ordinary people.

When there is no brain, it is better to remain silent.

[Egoza]

Quote: djon3volta

There wasn’t any in the KGB

The key word "was" everything flows, everything changes. This does not mean that there are no fools now (or at least children of deputies attached to a prestigious office)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nayhas

there are not even questions why the Patriarch does not call to take an example from the new martyrs who gave their lives for faith because a bad conscience does not allow ..

Someone did not mention the Patriarch, then he is bad, huh? Who do you think he should have mentioned on the eve of May 9? young people have forgotten everything, and if thanks to him, at least a few of them begin to learn history, then honor and praise be to him.

[krasin]

Patriarch Kirill urged young people to follow the example of Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Georgy Zhukov, Alexander Matrosov, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya - "from those who, without reasoning, sacrificed their lives in the name of the Fatherland."
It will be difficult, the generation without a king in my head has already grown up, with beanos in my head., And not with beanos, but hell knows what ?? !!

[waisson]

and youth knows who they are

[pensioner]

Not everyone. One driver with whom I went on a business trip to a question about Zhukov answered: "There was such a leader in Ancient Russia."

[does it]

Quote: waisson

and youth knows who they are

Good question

[Igor_kh]

Insolence beyond the limits of a man)))

[pensioner]

Why does the state shift its responsibilities for patriotic education of the younger generations to others ?. And our church is actually separated from the state. And everything that happens inside and what church leaders think on various occasions should not go beyond the church. Believer? - Go to church and listen to sermons, read church literature. In a secular state, any intervention of the church (no matter how progressive it may seem to itself) in the life of the state should be suppressed. If someone believes that what is spoken from the lips of the patriarch has more weight than the same thing, but spoken by the teacher in a history lesson at school, then my opinion (the look of an atheist) is wrong. The times when faith played an educational and unifying nation role have long passed. Only a few traditions remained from them: parental day, mass painting of eggs for Easter, etc. The true believer does not need intermediaries between him and God. Modern Russian Orthodox Church - business (intermediary.) On faith. Well, in construction (as without this). Uff. Now I’m flying to the skulls ...

[Kahlan amnell]

Maybe don’t fly off ... I also share your opinion. Faith is a purely personal matter, and to plant it at the state level means to kill this faith, to turn it into a religion. You can not plant it through secular educational institutions. Especially through school! And for some reason, few people think that this is simply unconstitutional. Article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
1. Russian Federation - secular state. No religion can be established as state or mandatory.
2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.
This means that visits of priests to schools, not as individuals, but as persons "on duty" are illegal. There are Sunday schools for teaching religion. And in a state school, the humanities and natural sciences should be studied. It would be better if astronomy was returned to the curriculum, at least to a minimum, otherwise the "Pepsi generation", when asked what they will do if they get lost, answer: "And what about GPS?" Counter question: "And if the GPS breaks or fails - what then?" plunges them into a stupor. That's it, comrades and gentlemen.

Let's get ready, Yuri, for the minuses.

[pensioner]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

Let's get ready, Yuri, for the minuses.

Amen...

[radio operator]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

Faith is a purely personal matter, and to plant it at the state level means to kill this faith, to turn it into a religion. You can not plant it through secular educational institutions. Especially through school!

This issue should be decided by the parents themselves, not by officials or the liberal public.

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

2. Religious associations are separated from the state and are equal before the law.

Do you think such people have no place in the ranks of the defenders of the Fatherland?
Or should Peresvet not fight with Kochubey, but sit behind the monastery walls?
Dear, everything in this life is interconnected.

[Kahlan amnell]

Dear, everything in this life is interconnected.

Dear Sergei, first of all, I am a woman, which means “respected”.
Secondly, do not distort, this veteran priest fought not as a priest, but as a Soviet citizen. And they did not reward him as a priest. Moreover, it may even be very likely that he took the dignity after the war.

Or should Peresvet not fight with Kochubey, but sit behind the monastery walls?

Thirdly, with Peresvet not everything is clear either. According to canons and monastic charters, a monk cannot (!) Take up arms under any circumstances.
The rules of the Holy Ecumenical Fourth Council, of Chalcedon (451):
...
7. Once we were appointed as clergymen and monks, we were determined not to enter military service or the worldly rank: otherwise daring to this, and not returning with repentance to what I had previously chosen for God, to anathema.
And fourthly. The Mother of the Trinity-Sergius Monastery and the Life of St. Sergius of Radonezh were edited repeatedly. Are there the names of Peresvet and Oslyaby (Christian monks with pagan names?) In authentic paterikas and hagiography ... ... So not everything is clear and unequivocal ...
Now I’ll say something for which I will get a lot of minuses, but I can’t say!
I am afraid, my dears, that modern Christianity and what Jesus Christ taught are as similar to each other as water from a puddle is like water from a spring ...

[radio operator]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

Dear Sergey, first of all, I am a woman, which means - "respected"

I apologize

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

do not distort, this veteran priest fought not as a priest, but as a Soviet citizen

And where is that line? In 1941, Stalin gathered the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, freed the clergy from the camps and prisons, allocated a plane for the procession around Moscow with the Vladimir Icon of the Mother of God, ASKED the clergy to actively pray for the salvation of the Fatherland. And, for some reason, I immediately remembered Suvorov, Dm. Donskoy, Kutuzov, Nakhimov and others. They suddenly turned from class enemies and minions of tsarism into the great Russian commanders who knew how to fight with skill, not number. What is your opinion? The atheistic state, the persecution of the church, destroyed the HHS, and suddenly ... God?

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

Thirdly, with Peresvet not everything is clear either. According to canons and monastic charters, a monk cannot (!) Take up arms under any circumstances.
The rules of the Holy Ecumenical Fourth Council, of Chalcedon (451):

Absolutely right! But, do not forget that there are rules for a peaceful life, there are rules for war. Any priest will tell you that "it is the gravest sin not to defend your Motherland." In our army, Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentecostals and other crap did not take the oath and did not take up arms. So these sects came to us from the West, taking this attitude from Western confessions (mainly Protestants and Lutherans).

[does it]

Quote: radio operator

Or should Peresvet not fight with Kochubey, but sit behind the monastery walls?

my dear! what century are we living in?

[radio operator]

Quote: kvirit

my dear! belay what century are we living in? recourse

Actually, this is our story. Without a past, we have no future.

[pensioner]

I try - plus. But, as it reminds the famous cartoon 70s: "Who better praise me"! Kindergarten. to God. By the way, "God" I try to write with a capital letter. He is there. At least in the form of the Laws of Nature, but not in the form of one, communication with which can replace the study of technical disciplines, academic history, psychiatry and psychology (again offhand). Che is not so, better write in a personal. And then there is a lot of Orthodox Orthodox, as much zhud-d-dh!

[pensioner]

I see you are not so bad. "You're still a tough old man, Rosenblum ..."

[radio operator]

Quote: retired

The days when faith played an educational and unifying role for the nation are long gone

I recalled an interview from Belgorod recently showed: a major-operative asking a newly caught shooter: "What are you doing, bastard? It seems to be Orthodox, but you shoot at people?"
-I am an atheist, looking sullenly said Pomazun. "
As they say, no comment.
Yevsyukov said the same thing, the "arrows" in the USA have the same worldview. For them, there is no concept of good and evil. This is instilled only by faith, good - in God. Whether we like it or not.
Therefore, Western liberalism with such persistence calls for the denial of religion, for materialism.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: radio operator

Yevsyukov said the same thing, the "arrows" in the USA have the same worldview.

The believer will not become like Yevsyukov and Pamazun. They have no faith and no compassion for those who were killed.

[Kahlan amnell]

The believer will not. But are there many believers now? So far, I see only religious ones.

[radio operator]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

The believer will not. But are there many believers now? So far, I see only religious ones.

I’ll say that your truth is only adjusted for the fact that the believer never sticks himself out. Because they are not visible.

[Kahlan amnell]

I’ll say that your truth is only adjusted for the fact that the believer never sticks himself out. Because they are not visible.

And very, very unfortunate! The time is such that the feat of righteousness is not in private silence, but openly, one must inspire and inspire by example. I remember the words of a priest, very respected by me: "The grace of God is like water. If the water stagnates, it rots. Only that water is clean and fresh that flows continuously. So grace should be distributed to everyone around, even if even in small amounts - with a kind word or a kind smile. And then grace will flow more and more abundantly. Flow in order to flow to others. But beware of keeping grace only for yourself - so you will lose what you have. "

[Petrospek]

And what do you mean by that? That a believer will never violate the 10 commandments?
Will he never kill anyone, will not rob, will not deceive?
But, for example, Putin is a believer? What about Stalin? And what about the old Russian princes?

[radio operator]

Quote: Petrospek

And what do you mean by that? That a believer will never violate the 10 commandments?
Will he never kill anyone, will not rob, will not deceive?

You recall how the Russian army behaved, driving Napoleon to Paris? Not a single case of looting, violence, murder of civilians, etc. And as the Napoleonic army marched, free of religious prejudice, saturated with the spirit of the liberal revolution, burned, robbed, raped along the way. No wonder Napoleon closed the way back south of the Smolensk road, he returned the way where there was nothing after him.
A believer can kill a person, defending his life, the life of his relatives, the Fatherland. But to shoot in all directions, ruining innocent lives - no. This can only be done by a person without a worldview, without the concepts of "what is good and what is bad," a soulless person. After all, atheists deny the existence of a soul.

[Petrospek]

You are very mistaken if you think that the same Poles, Germans, Austrians were atheists, certainly not Poles.
And then, did I understand you correctly that the nation participating in the revolution and fratricidal war (I mean civil) are all atheists? That is, the Russian people are spiritual only between the times of troubles?
They forgot to write about Putin.

[radio operator]

Quote: Petrospek

You are very mistaken if you think that the same Poles, Germans, Austrians were atheists, certainly not Poles.

Laplace, shortly before the Russian campaign, showed Napoleon the book On the Order of the World. The emperor asked: "Do I not see God in your book?" - "Sire, I don't need this theory." - "My army too." The army was infected with atheism.
By the way, Western liberalism was born after the split of the Christian Church. Remember what happened in the West after the split: the monstrous crusades, witch hunts (when thousands of women were burned), the ugly courts of the Inquisition that destroyed scientists, etc. Is this Christianity in your opinion (in the form in which the Savior preached it)? A thousand times no! It was from the depths of Western confessions that deism, pantheism, theism, and as a result, atheism and materialism emerged. Read Kireevsky, he described everything quite easily.

Quote: Petrospek

a nation participating in a revolution and fratricidal war (I mean civil), they are all atheists

Alas, paradoxically, I agree with you.
Rev. Barsanuphius of Optina: the revolution came out of the walls of the seminaries.
And later, Leo Trotsky said: "If the Russian people after the revolution put forward the slogan" For Faith and Fatherland "and followed it, we would be dared."
The 19th century in Russia was infected with liberalism no worse than ours.
The teaching in the seminary was conducted as a whole so deadly, scholastic, that the lessons of the Law of God acquired the character of a forced sitting - "a time for witticisms and blasphemy." ... Hegumen Nikon (Vorobyov). There was only the outer side of religion, which boiled down to the observance of external rites, in a word, to paganism under the name of Orthodoxy.

Quote: Petrospek

They forgot to write about Putin.

What do you want to hear?
Well put Petrospek or radio operator president, would it be better to live? Unlikely.
There will be even more dissatisfied, we are. Well, then, officials will steal less in our presence? No. Officials, after all, not aliens, but people from us with you. It is not Putin that needs to be changed, but the PEOPLE if you want quick changes. You know that everyone wants to live well, but not everyone has the opportunity. We have become a society of egoists. And "the society of complete egoists is hell."
We want changes for the better - we need to start with ourselves, Christ called for this too.

[pensioner]

Quote: radio operator

Laplace, shortly before the Russian campaign, showed Napoleon the book On the Order of the World. The emperor asked: "Do I not see God in your book?" - "Sire, I don't need this theory." - "My army too." The army was infected with atheism.

Dear Ph.D., do you not know what to pull quotes on any topic, yes from reputable authors, and tearing it out of context - not just easy, but very easy. Well, they will not give more weight to any statement. Do not give. Do you believe yourself? And why should I trust Laplace more (no matter what genius he is in the field of mathematics) or you, than myself? That’s all faith ...

[radio operator]

Quote: retired

Dear Ph.D., do you not know what to pull quotes on any topic, yes from reputable authors, and tearing it out of context - not just easy, but very easy. Well, they will not give more weight to any statement. Do not give. Do you believe yourself? And why should I trust Laplace more (no matter what genius he is in the field of mathematics) or you, than myself? That’s all faith ...

What does the phrase have to do with it? They only brighter confirm what was happening.

[the polar]

Quote: radio operator

You recall how the Russian army behaved, driving Napoleon to Paris? Not a single case of looting, violence, murder of civilians, etc. And as the Napoleonic army marched, free of religious prejudice, saturated with the spirit of the liberal revolution, burned, robbed, raped along the way. No wonder Napoleon closed the way back south of the Smolensk road, he returned the way where there was nothing after him.
A believer can kill a person, defending his life, the life of his relatives, the Fatherland. But to shoot in all directions, ruining innocent lives - no. This can only be done by a person without a worldview, without the concepts of "what is good and what is bad," a soulless person. After all, atheists deny the existence of a soul.

Or can you remind you how the armies of Kolchak and Denikin behaved, which included entire regiments of punishers, under the banner of the "holy cross", staffed by volunteer ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church

[radio operator]

Quote: Polar

Or can you remind you how the armies of Kolchak and Denikin behaved, which included entire regiments of punishers, under the banner of the "holy cross", staffed by volunteer ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church

Wow, this is something new and liberal. Tell me an alternative version of liberalism.

[radio operator]

Quote: Ghen75

The bandits in Syria are all polite believers - and their heads are cut off with the name of Allah on their lips, and I don’t want to talk about other atrocities.

Please do not confuse believers and fanatics. Orthodox fanatics are no less dangerous for believers and others. These are different things.

[Ghenxnumx]

Quote: radio operator

I am an atheist, looking sullenly said Pomazun. "
As they say, no comment.
Yevsyukov said the same thing, the "arrows" in the USA have the same worldview. For them, there is no concept of good and evil. This is instilled only by faith, good - in God. Whether we like it or not.

The bandits in Syria are all polite believers - and their heads are cut off with the name of Allah on their lips, and I don’t want to talk about other atrocities.
The spiritual core in the USSR stood on 3 pillars - parents, school, culture, and the church was present here exclusively optional. Now the school provides educational services (!!!), parents earn money for these services, and the culture has been replaced by zomboyas - there is only one church left, as a result, most of the children lack it alone to cultivate this core.
Well, as regards morality, I disgust both Navalny, who screams corruption with one mouth, and arranges for false information for a Schengen visa with the other and shouts that he did not rob Kirovles if he had his signatures on documents, as well as people like djon3volta, who aspire to all who He thinks that he is not to be included in the execution lists.

[the polar]

"I recalled an interview from Belgorod recently showed: a major-operative asking a newly caught shooter:" What are you doing, bastard? It seems to be Orthodox, but you shoot at people?
-I am an atheist, looking sullenly said Pomazun. "
As they say, no comment.
Yevsyukov said the same thing "
--------------------------------------------

Well, why are you distorting the information? No one found out Orthodoxy from the killers you mentioned. Already this information manipulation of yours casts doubt on the beneficial influence of religion. But the example of the Orthodox Plato Elenin, in the world of Boris Berezovsky, is much more interesting for the concept of the role of the church in society.

[radio operator]

Quote: Polar

But the example of the Orthodox Plato Elenin in the world of Boris Berezovsky is much more interesting for the concept of the role of the church in societies

Even Berezovsky was buried in the Greek noncanonical sectarian cemetery. And his whole life says that he was not an Orthodox believer. He didn’t even carry a cross.
A tree is known by its fruits. And its fruits are permeated with a liberal spirit. Nothing to do with Christianity.

[consul]

A secular state is a myth invented by atheist believers, since rulers are guided in their life and work by certain spiritual values. You have your own atheism faith, your own priests, your own divine services, chants, doctrine, your sacred writing, icons, finally. Why a myth? Yes, because under the name secular one can cram any "universal values" into the brains of people, for example, sodomy, pedophilia, education for debauchery from school, juvenile, etc., there are plenty of examples around the world. successful they need to destroy Christianity, in particular in Russia, and for this they have all means good, so you already "understood" that the Russian Orthodox Church is an intermediary business, for which you have kindly "brought information" to you.
Minus did not set you.

[Kahlan amnell]

Dear Denis, have you read the Bible? Thoughtfully, with a pencil? Read it, very informative. It is not for nothing that the Church invented such a "science" - exegesis.

[Phantom Revolution]

It’s too late to include propaganda, it’s good that there are volunteers who do the work for the state. Which should promote a healthy lifestyle, family values, patriotism, etc. What and what and what in the USSR it was delivered hara, from films that were masterpieces and which I am now reviewing and can watch endlessly, ending with various youth organizations. And now, if they’re shooting, then about bandits, thieves, drunkards, etc. And there are very few youth organizations. I hope the state will take up his head.

[pensioner]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Hmm late propaganda included

It's never too late to do.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: retired

It's never too late to do.

Better late than never, of course, but at what "cost"?

[djon3volta]

It’s not in vain that Brzezinski said that in order to break the Russian spirit, it is necessary to destroy Orthodoxy and faith of the Russians. Therefore, now the mass media launched a machine to descredit the church and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church. And after all, many not-so-distant minds are easily conducted, and they hate everything It’s connected with the church, and they support all kinds of pusivrots and various antichrist. Although the whole topic with churches was not covered in the USSR, people went to church, prayed, were baptized. Even during the Second World War, this was elicited when the old women stood by the road, convoyed columns of soldiers baptized them on the road, it was even shown in films.

[pensioner]

Quote: djon3volta

Now the media launched a machine to descredit the church, and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church.

The Russian Orthodox Church has done so much for its own discredit that no special machine is needed. One chaplin costs a battalion of heavy shit-throwers.

[kostella85]

Quote: djon3volta

The media launched a machine to descredit the church, and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church.

This car the top and middle leaders of the church started themselves, it’s just that I, for example, already got tired of how priestly trains in cars of 3-5 mil. rubles are being rolled out in the region, and as grannies, sincerely believers, they pour tequila at banquets in Lent. (Out of the corner of my eye I saw such an event in March 2008).
Nobody argues that there are normal priests, but they serve in distant, ruined parishes, and effective priests serve in "good" parishes !!!

[pensioner]

I want everything for you, raise the respected rating, but I can’t cheto. are you sitting on it or what? Joke. And why do not let you raise the rating? Do not know? Although all these are children's toys for kindergartens. And in many ways you are right.

[pensioner]

John! Well, have you really slapped me minus? No rise .... to - I wanted the best ...

[itkul]

Quote: djon3volta

It’s not in vain that Brzezinski said - in order to break the Russian spirit, it is necessary to destroy Orthodoxy and faith among Russians. Therefore, now the media launched a machine to descredit the church, and in particular Patriarch Kiril and the Russian Orthodox Church

But you Tatars are Orthodox, strange, I thought you go to the mosque to pray

[seller trucks]

I will add my "spoon of honey":

"The foundations of the social concept" of the Moscow Patriarchate were drawn up in the synagogue. "


The mass media often characterize the Fundamentals of the Social Concept of the MP as a document that has no analogues in the history of the Orthodox Church. And this is really so - if only because the author of this document, along with Metropolitan Kirill (Gundyaev), is ... the Jewish rabbi Adolf Shaevich. This conclusion becomes inevitable when comparing the "Foundations of the Social Concept" of the MP with the "Foundations of the Social Concept of Russian Judaism" signed by Shaevich. Both documents are simply overflowing with large chunks of text that match word for word!

V. Ivankov "Adolf Shaevich as the spiritual father of Metropolitan Kirill"
http://www.omolenko.com/otstuplenie/kirill_shaevich.htm

such matters, Orthodox

[consul]

The patriarch is not the pope of us Orthodox Christians. As soon as (if) he begins to change the creed, he will actually cease to be Orthodox, especially the Patriarch. And since we are talking about a social concept (not a creed), it is not surprising that there are similarities.
But in general it’s sad to look, they saw something negative, so come from gloating and poison; the positive is also bad. Maybe you can look for the reasons in yourself, so to speak, to raise logs?

[fenix57]

"In the last war, undoubtedly, our people fought for the truth and put in this fight millions and millions of their lives, the lives of their children," - BUT NOW WE HAVE TO FIGHT WITH MYSTERY ENEMIES ....- "HOUSE-2, .. IN BRAZIL .." - because it is interesting for the "young" ... The war is not over, it continues! ... without restarting ...

[seller trucks]

We are still losing the "battle for minds". House 2 is not the main battlefield, there are also "contacts" the largest hotbed of "porn", Facebook and other junk. Definitely, the introduction of "Censorship" at least for children.

[kostella85]

Quote: seller trucks

Definitely, the introduction of "Censorship" at least for children.

Parents should keep an eye on the children, and when they are at school, then it is school! Online censorship should be at least !!!

[seller trucks]

and no one argues, only in practice, as a rule, the opposite happens, for a number of objective and not very reasons. you say - school, there used to be teachers, but now teachers, nobody teaches children, plus this fucking school reform. as for the Internet, I fundamentally disagree, you either did not understand me, or I did not understand you. I am for the introduction for a certain AGE segment, censorship.

[kostella85]

at home put "children's filters", the same as in schools and that's it !!!

[Phantom Revolution]

Children's filters are easily bypassed, there was a reportage, especially in search engines, the word "wet pussy" has a double meaning.

[Galina]

kostella85: "There should be a minimum of censorship on the Internet !!!"
Do you like to climb porn sites, collect any strawberries, or what, are you afraid of censorship?

[Renat]

I do not want to offend anyone's feelings. Faith in God is in everyone's soul. He who remembers the feat of his grandfathers and does not betray the memory of the saint.

[Renat]

Do not be rude. It is not for you to judge whether I believe in something or not.

[consul]

And why not the image of the Transfiguration of Christ or His Resurrection, where He is shining? In the image the moment where the Savior fasted before going out to preach, then it was necessary to lay out how the Patriarch fasts (of course, this will not look the same). We make the temple and its interior beautiful. based on the fact that it should be an image of the Glory of God.

[Hleb]

and at the same time next to this demo the author put a photo of his apartment and car and ask-Feel the difference?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: consul

. We make the temple and its interior beautiful, on the basis that it should be the image of the Glory of God.

They won’t catch you, thoughts work differently.

[Jeka]

This picture would be more appropriate here:

Although I am not a believer, I respect Serbian Patriarch Paul very much for his modesty and humanity.
In general, I think that religion is one of the brakes on progress, conscience and morality are what a person should rely on, but with a modern "democratic" conscience and values, humanity will not go far

[Slav]

Quote: wih

This picture would be more appropriate here:

This is called bias.

[vladsolo56]

I don’t want to comment on anything before the holiday, I just congratulate everyone on Victory, on the victory of our fathers and grandfathers !!

[arajsman]

Just do not take an example from priests who sell in temples and set all prices.

[Combitor]

And what kind of battle is Mr. Gundyaev preparing for? Or he decided to mobilize young people in military Black-Hundred squads for the tsar-father, i.e. All-Russian Fuhrer of GDP to fight against those who oppose the current anti-Russian Putin regime?
And there is no need to mix the feat of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War with what is happening in our country now.
I spoke with many veterans. Their hearts bleed from what its rulers have done to our country over the past twenty years. Their words: "We shed our blood, and these geeks, without a fight, in peacetime gave our country to enemies."
I did not want to talk about bad things before the holiday, but the authorities and priests themselves provoke people.
And I congratulate our veterans on the Great Holiday. The eternal memory of the fallen and already dead heroes. I want our veterans to live longer. So that the Russian rulers do not forget what unpaid debt they owe to them and how much they simply did not want to do for them.

[radio operator]

Quote: Kombitor

And what kind of battle is Mr. Gundyaev preparing for?

And why do you think that the Patriarch or any of the clergy will not defend the Motherland? My dear, they just stood up for the defense of the Fatherland in the forefront!
"There are no atheists in the trenches."
William Cummings

Quote: Kombitor

Or he decided to mobilize young people in military Black-Hundred squads for the tsar-father, i.e. All-Russian Fuhrer of GDP to fight against those who oppose the current anti-Russian Putin regime?

Naturally, I am also for the GDP and against the participants on Bolotnaya, because by removing the GDP and the Russian Orthodox Church, gay pride parades and cattle-parade parades will immediately come out. And, as in Holland, pedophiles are quickly legalized.
I don't need such "freedom"! I am more than sure that our veterans do not need such freedom either.

[Alexander Romanov]

Here I read komenty and wonder how many people have rudeness, ignorance and simple human stupidity. The patriarch congratulated, called for a good cause, but no ... it’s not possible with us. It is necessary to spit on a person, to crap, to blame for all sins. All here are atheists and everyone, like one celebrated Easter at home, but painted eggs. If in you on the eve of the holiday there is no unity and respect for each other, so why the hell do you whine that your life is worthless ??? Corruption is with you, they steal from you, Caucasians are overgrown, so it will be even worse for you, because as you sit barking, sit and pour water over the patriarch. You turn any good word into G ... about, with your tongues. Look at yourself better, or here all the saints on the site have gathered, each truth-seeker is a specialist who builds himself, even without opening the bible in his life. The patriarch prays and holds the post, but you plump and cheat on your wives. You need a warrior and a good one, so that you would finally see a brother in every Russian person, and not an enemy. And this concerns everyone and an official who was getting caught and a schoolboy, who is building a specialist from himself here. Tired of you already!

[radio operator]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Here I read komenty and wonder how many people have rudeness, ignorance and simple human stupidity. The patriarch congratulated, called for a good cause, but no ... it’s not possible with us.

Yes, you are right, Alexander. Instead of joining the right and right words, they begin to slur the liberal bullshit.
Victory Day gives way to hatred. They got it, as they say.
Fully agree with

Quote: vladsolo56

I don’t want to comment on anything before the holiday, I just congratulate everyone on Victory, on the victory of our fathers and grandfathers !!

I know that he is an atheist, but he acted with dignity. Well done, respect.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: radio operator

I know that he is an atheist, but he acted with dignity. Well done, respect

I also know, but I acted like a Russian man!

[Egoza]

All with the coming holiday! On the one hand, it is good that the patriarch mentioned the heroes of the Great Patriotic War (I just want to say: "Bravo, guys! You are working well!") And on the other hand, why is he the only one reported in the media? And where are the messages about the events held in schools and institutes? What, we no longer have "lessons of courage", meetings with veterans, just any trips to places of military glory? But there was all this, it was! And the children took part with pleasure, and listened to gray-haired people with orders on their chests ... We had so many days off, was it really impossible to organize anything? People! We have something to fight for! For our memory, for our history, for OUR HEROES! They are all HEROES! We defended our country and our lives! And there is no need to rely only on the ROC in terms of education! This education depends on each of us!

[JonnyT]

He himself took an example from them ..... He calls it of course well, but people are more inspired by a personal example.
When the Catholic pope refused a limousine, he was asked what he thinks about it. So he condemned this - he says that if you need to use it ... I immediately remember a photo where a man in an expensive black suit is adjusting his headdress

[crazy_fencer]

I don’t want to speculate on that topic now, whether or not there were Alexander Matrosov, 28 Panfilovites, someone else ... There were not one - there were others. Otherwise, we would hardly have won such a war. Only when citizen Gundyaev speaks about the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, forgive me, this is even worse than emetic powder. Since this same citizen (God forbid, memory, it was only a couple of years ago, in 2011) dared to declare about the Great Patriotic War that 26 people died not for refusing to betray their country, not embodying their own loyalty to the oath, not during fulfillment of their direct duties, but one in atonement for "apostasy in the time of the Bolsheviks." By the way, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya is included in this cute list. And one more point related to the Great Patriotic War. With the light hand of the same citizen Gundyaev, the Synod of Bishops issues the following opuses: "Nevertheless, to the question:" Were General AA Vlasov and his associates traitors to Russia? ", We answer - no, not at all. they have undertaken - it was done precisely for the Fatherland, in the hope that the defeat of Bolshevism will lead to the re-creation of a powerful national Russia. " For those who are especially interested, the site of the Russian Orthodox Church can hardly be counted among the liberal media. http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/700/000mitrofanovstatement.html
I don’t comment at all, because I am well acquainted with the history of the 2nd Shock, and with how they restored the good names of those who died under Myasniy Bor, Keresty, and how the betrayal of one person became a tragedy for thousands of families for decades.
Excuse me, but after this, when Gundyaev says at least a word about the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, he only opens his mouth and already desecrates their memory.
Anticipating some questions: he was baptized into Orthodoxy in 1954, almost immediately after birth. Parents were not afraid, although his father was an officer, and then the times were somewhat different from the present. Only here, unlike many, a real person and PGM (Orthodoxy of the brain) do not suffer.

[Hleb]

Do you believe in the existence of God, the divine essence?
and where can you read about 26 million people? only real source

[Hleb]

I read something completely different:

"It was on this day (the day of St. George the Victorious -" IF ") the Second World War ended. The very fact of the coincidence of these events was a sign, because what happened in those terrible years in many ways reveals to us the secret of Divine mercy," said the patriarch on Wednesday after the Divine Liturgy at the St. George Church on Poklonnaya Hill.
He cited data according to which 26 thousand people died in the war with fascist Germany, noting that "this is the size of an entire country, this is a colossal shock for the people, the foundations of people's life."
"Many experts in the field of military affairs said that the enemy was so well organized, armed, and surpassed us in all possibilities that our victory could not be perceived otherwise than as a miracle," said the primate of the Russian Orthodox Church.
He noted that the people were bleeding, lost millions of fellow citizens and at the same time defended the capital, then launched an offensive and defeated the enemy.
Our people atoned for the sin of apostasy, the destruction of shrines, the rejection of God, the reproach of all that was holy and great, which was their blood. The Lord, accepting this sacrifice of atonement, did not allow the destruction of our country

dared to declare about the Great Patriotic War that 26 million people died not for refusing to betray their country, not embodying their own allegiance to the oath, not during the performance of their direct duties,

Is this a personal addition?

[pensioner]

Quote: radio operator

-I am an atheist, looking sullenly said Pomazun. "
As they say, no comment.

Chikatilo was a believer. Still toss ?. The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters. SLEEP. And not faith in God or denial of his existence. Again, atheism is built on the scientific picture of the world. And I'm a physicist.

[consul]

Is it scientific? Explain the Lancian miracle (http://azbyka.ru/tserkov/chudo/5g14_1.shtml) then, you are a physicist. By the way, I have an acquaintance, a believing candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, a teacher at a state university.

[pensioner]

Quote: consul

Is it scientific? Explain the Lancian miracle (http://azbyka.ru/tserkov/chudo/5g14_1.shtml) then, you are a physicist.

Science studies natural phenomena, but not miracles. True, with explanations of these phenomena it is not always immediately obtained, but more often long and painful. For explanations of miracles - to the church. Everything is simple there. Of scientists, not only your acquaintance believes in God. N.N. Polikarpov, N.V. Timofeev-Risovsky (offhand) were deeply religious people. It is not a matter of faith.

Quote: consul

Is it scientific?

And what about the anti-scientific? Hmm ... but I didn’t know ...
Long talk. Not here. The topic is set by the article.

[Kahlan amnell]

Has anyone done a chemical analysis of this substance? What is called "under the protocol"? With verification and rechecking?

[radio operator]

Quote: retired

Chikatilo was a believer. Still toss ?. The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters. SLEEP. And not faith in God or denial of his existence. Again, atheism is built on the scientific picture of the world. And I'm a physicist.

Believers or just baptized? Lenin was also baptized, but that did not stop him from destroying millions of Russian people.
By the way, Chikatilo had two higher educations.

Quote: retired

And I'm a physicist.

So what? And I graduated from Baumanka with honors, Ph.D., for almost 17 years I have been working in the defense research institute. Only it doesn’t stop me from believing in the Truth;

Quote: retired

atheism is built on a scientific picture of the world

Atheism is based on the denial of God. There is no scientific justification for atheism! Although, atheists certainly deserve respect for believing in nothing.

[pensioner]

For Baumanka - Well done! No questions. I dreamed of studying there, but there was not enough courage. Yes, and talent too. On this account, I was not mistaken. But FIZ faculty I finished. (3,47 average mark, but finished). Question: WHAT does life help you more: knowledge of thermodynamics and thermomech or quotes from the New Testament? The answer is obvious. It is not necessary to lump together the spiritual life of a person and his mundane existence (including in his professional hypostasis). Yes, a moral pagan will not be as dangerous to society as a militant Christian.

[radio operator]

Quote: retired

Yes, a moral pagan will not be as dangerous to society as a militant Christian.

A militant Christian is an unrelated word. The Christian, in principle, is not militant. If he really is.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: retired

Chikatilo was a believer. Another toss?

Do not write nonsense or already

[pensioner]

Consider that at all. I saw a photo of him with a Bible in his hands. If you have the time and desire you will find (I feel you have time for THIS). I'm lazy. If you do not like the example with chikatilo_, I will easily find a sufficient number of believers (or declaring their faith) ghouls. If faith in God was a guarantee of decent (well, or at least socially not dangerous) behavior of a person, then nah ... then sciences such as "Pedagogy", "Psychology", "Psychiatry" and "Sociology" (holy, holy ..., but without it there is nowhere), and you can also give a couple of names. What for? Not born law-abiding (in the broadest sense), then everything - "Put out the light and hide behind the baseboard! I'm going !!". Or arm yourself. Vera is not an assistant here.

[radio operator]

Quote: retired

I saw a photo of him with a bible in his hands.

So what of this?
Holding the Bible in his hands does not mean that he is a believer.

[Vtel]

From the bible. In the Gospel of John (ch. 8, v. 7) the words of Jesus are quoted to the scribes and Pharisees who brought the harlot to him: “When they continued to ask him, he lifted himself up and said to them: who among you is without sin, first cast off a stone into it. ” Happy Victory Day!

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Ruslan67

Oh, and now they are throwing in full Compare this with Alexy II, even the language does not turn Of course, he can only call who will listen to him. Of all the candidates, the most unsuccessful nosato was absolutely loyal to the authorities. With which I congratulate her

Yes, it’s not about the patriarch and not about his political preferences. And about the degradation of youth, about the absence of any ideals and norms of behavior in society, in life. No faith! Only in the loot and believe. This is scary!

[aviamed90]

You're not right. A man whose very "stigma in the gun" is trying to teach young people how to live! He has no right to do so. First, repent of your sins, renounce material wealth, and if you beg forgiveness for yourself, then teach your flock.
The very poor peasant from the poorest village has more rights to this than he does. And his task is to monitor his church officials and pray to God, if he still believes in him.

[IRBIS]

I've always been interested in the question. If a person deeply believes in God, then why ... should he have an "intermediary" for communicating with him in the form of a priest? And why does this pop take on the responsibility of God's vicar on Earth? Who "authorized" him? Why is the patriarch "overlaid" with security and uses an armored car? But what about his faith in God, in his justice, in self-sacrifice for the sake of his neighbors? In my opinion, he should generally walk the streets, stomp barefoot in endangered villages, crawl into children's homes on his knees. He devoted his life to serving God, keeping the commandments sacred. So let him serve the Almighty, and I can talk to God myself, without a pot-bellied "translator".

[Armata]

Greetings to Alexander. Koment absolutely support.

[IRBIS]

Hi Eugene! With coming you and your family!

[Ruslan_F38]

Although this article is not about this, IRBIS agrees with you on something. But you need to understand that there are truly holy people who truly believe in God among the clergy, and in my opinion there are most of them! And the media rarely talk about them, that's why such a negative impression develops.

[IRBIS]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

there are really holy people who truly believe in God among the clergy, and in my opinion there are most of them!

There is no doubt, I do not even argue! The trouble is that such are the "majority", but there should be one and all! And the church must be cleansed of the ballast so as not to undermine the believers' hopes in God.

[aviamed90]

But does Vladyka not want to put himself as an example of youth? Or is it a sinner?

[Middle-brother]

Those who put a minus to the article - do you think that Zhukov and Kosmodemyanskaya are unworthy to serve as an example for modern youth?
All with the upcoming Victory Day !!!

[aviamed90]

Absolutely worthy!
But do not compromise their feat with ambiguous, from the point of view of morality, people.

[runway]

It is definitely necessary to educate young people. But not in words, Gundyaev, but by his own example. What idol you have chosen for yourself, we know. And why is it necessary to prepare young people to sacrifice themselves? Will we purposefully prepare our youth for war? Isn't it better to educate our youth to be honest and decent people (there are examples in every family). But such people and their children will be rightly raised and defended in their harsh year.

[knn54]

“It is necessary to ensure that in the coming war with Russia there WAS NOT A“ Young Guard ”, WASN'T Kosmodemyanskaya and Matrosov.” Collers Magazine, USA.
SCARY that our enemies have already achieved MUCH in this direction.

[Chukcha]

On the whole, the Patriarch said correctly, but did anyone else from the "powers that be" said the same? Especially from the liberal wing ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Well, at the expense of Zoe Kosmodemyanskaya I do not know, Soviet citizens themselves passed it, because she wanted to burn from the house in severe frosts.

[SHOCK.]

Quote: Renat

I do not want to offend anyone's feelings. Faith in God is in everyone's soul. He who remembers the feat of his grandfathers and does not betray the memory of the saint.

Well said, fully support.

[pensioner]

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Quote: Sh.O.K.

He who remembers the feat of his grandfathers and does not betray the memory of the saint.

With IT and live! and PI .... DIM is about nothing. That is what the true PATRIARCH should say! Not once a year, but every day, and not only he, but all the worshipers, in all religious institutions, from morning to evening, and not to sing the funeral of the next villain, who died from the excessive use of alcohol and drugs, but who built the church (real estate) - in the understanding of modern figures of the Russian Orthodox Church).

[aviamed90]

He should talk about GOD and show an example of the flock, and not fill his belly with worldly temptations to please the demon. He is the first among believers, but the same son of God, and not a saint in any way!

[Lapotnik]

I am an atheist, but I believe. In love, sincerity, and other virtues. I do not always follow them, but I believe. Baptized - disappointed in the church, the last straw - the death of his father, mother died much earlier. Therefore, faith must be within itself, unfortunately it may not find expression in the best possible way. This is what you need to learn from the beginning - starting with the inner world and ending with the ways of expressing this inner world.

Then there will be no need to call on to make heroes from someone - there are not so many "pure" heroes, especially from real ones, behind the majority of good deeds one can find a bad background and vice versa. It is necessary to learn how to place the right accents so that they can be compared with the inner faith in good deeds, then there will be no need to look for heroes - the people will appreciate them according to their deeds and actions.

Confusedly, but somehow.

[a jacket]

Quote: Lapotnik

Confusedly, but somehow.

So, as it should!

[No_more]

In general, the patriarch should not go into politics and sit in the Kremlin with or without. I’m sorry for believers - they turned the church into a closed joint-stock company. And hide behind the fact that if against them, then against faith. And the fact that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior rebuilt for budgetary and donated money was turned into commercial real estate is normal.
But Mr. Gundyaev still has the audacity to teach someone morality and educate.

[Rrv]

Quote: No_more

In general, the patriarch should not go into politics and sit in the Kremlin with or without. I’m sorry for believers - they turned the church into a closed joint-stock company. And hide behind the fact that if against them, then against faith. And the fact that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior rebuilt for budgetary and donated money was turned into commercial real estate is normal.
But Mr. Gundyaev still has the audacity to teach someone morality and educate.

That's right - only a personal example is important, but today it is like this:

[Ilya Mikhalych]

Eden apple from Assassins Creed!?

[gremlin1977]

It is time to return the Old Believers. And nefig into the heroes to poke the BUTCHER about him, many veterans unflattering responded.