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Should we hold back the process of exodus of Russians from Central Asian countries: opinions

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Should we hold back the process of exodus of Russians from Central Asian countries: opinionsA strange situation is taking shape within the emerging Eurasian Union: with the increased economic integration of the member countries, ethnic nationalism is also growing. "Kazakhstan is not just one of the potential members of the Eurasian Union being created on its initiative, but also a member of the current Customs Union with Russia and Belarus. Nevertheless, in the last six months, statements from Astana have been more hostile to Russia and Russians.


At first, the Kazakhstani authorities voiced new claims on Baikonur, then President Nazarbayev announced the translation of the Kazakh language into the Latin alphabet (until the appearance of the Cyrillic alphabet, the Kazakhs did not have written language or statehood - approx. Ed.), Then the local tame nationalists tried to initiate referendum to ban the Russian language. And the other day came no longer rhetorical news: in 2013, the number of Russians wishing to leave Kazakhstan to Russia under the state program of voluntary relocation increased two (!) times, "says rosbalt.ru.

IA REX: Does it make sense to restrain the process of exodus of Russians from Central Asian countries or, on the contrary, should we promote this outcome?

Grigory Trofimchuk, political scientist, first vice president of the Center for Modeling Strategic Development:

The exodus of Russians from Central Asia is a geopolitical inevitability, since the strengthening of the Russian diaspora in the near abroad (against the background of the reporting pensioner “Pushkin readings” and “Chekhov evenings”) has not happened over twenty long years. People of such an all-Russian scale, such as, for example, the Ferghana native Alexander Abdulov, will never leave the depths of Central Asia; Russian communities in the Muslim countries of this region will rapidly shrink and die.

Eurasian integration processes could well stop this alignment, but only for such historical missions within its structures should in no case be the traditional type of officials. The Eurasian movement should be led by a special kind of politician, evoking universal respect and interest. However, we see that the administrative offices of the EAC are gradually filled with bureaucratic “sludge”, which, for one reason or another, did not find a place in the governments of the participating countries. Moreover, this applies not only to Moscow and Minsk, and Astana, judging by the Eurasian appointees, clearly does not make its vital bet on Eurasia. The Eurasian theme for them is a political elective, evening school, distance learning.

Russians from Central Asia will migrate to their historical homeland anyway, while they can still walk with their feet, while they have the money to buy a one-way ticket. Of course, nobody waits for them in their homeland, here and theirs, for no reason at all, no one will give a piece of bread, not to mention apartments or elementary work. At the same time, we should not forget that the Asian Russians still have time to calmly leave “to their own people”: this historical window will soon close, and they will become “minced” in the war of all against all, which will be triggered by the discovery of the “Afghan traffic jam” . And then with the Russians, with the “shuravi” here it is quits for everything.

Therefore, the Russian people, who still live in the countries of Central Asia, do not have to, having weighed all the circumstances, nothing else but to ride horses, donkeys, trains — anything to get away from such a terrible end.

Alexander Sobyanin, political scientist, head of the strategic planning service of the Association for Cross-Border Cooperation:

Actively participating in migration and demographic policy, I have always opposed the concept of the return of compatriots. The very discussion of the usefulness or risks of the outcome of Russians and Russian speakers from anywhere means that the Russian state fixes for itself the meaninglessness and the impossibility of building a new Big state - the Eurasian Union. I am categorically against such defeatism and for the Big State.

Yuri Yuriev, political designer:

Nothing strange. Economic integration is often not a choice, but a gift for nothing. And “for nothing” is not a bakshish, it is a tribute. In addition, it’s not a fact that Russians are economically integrating, and not entirely different. If Russians a century ago were useful, now there is no direct link between Russians and benefits, and most importantly, retribution and reward, both good and well-deserved. In general, the local people know better what is allowed and what is encouraged in them. It would be nice to remember that at one time both Europe and the USA were very dependent on Algerian and Egyptian piracy, which were difficult to win and even paid ransoms and tributes.

It is possible that now in the CIS they are trying to create something like the current Somalia, where it is more profitable to trade prisoners than to save their own children from epidemics. If the cult of the raiding economy is not overcome in society, then it is worthwhile to invest money and fortunes only after the power in power guaranteeing the inviolability of those. That's how it used to be when one Baikonur was an investment of half a trillion dollars, which the current Kazakh regressors are very upset about, as well as schools and hospitals. But then - they risked their lives for trying to regress, and now - only by moving to another country and with money at the same time.

The paradox is that the Russians politely and kindly allowed the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz to remain such Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. But China Uigurs and other foreigners forced to become Chinese, and, very hard. There is also the temptation of Islamization, the threats of which the locals also do not really watch, until they begin the Shari'a trial and other medieval tendencies, like the Taliban or in Ichkeria. And besides, the scenario of colonization by capital simply requires cutting local to new formations, for example, “Adayans”, which local people also do not quite understand. Or - very much understand and fully contribute to this.

Does Russia need to support this all? We need to look at and bargain, not forgetting the final profit not only in money, but also in Russians. After all, if money arrives, while Russians are declining, then why on the world map is Russia?

Daniel Steisslinger, journalist and translator (Israel):

And he never weakened. The ruling bai in Soviet times simply avoided, as far as possible, its public manifestations. But sometimes they broke through: in the same Kazakhstan, in 1979, there were riots that disrupted the decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (!) To reestablish the German ASSR at the Germans new place of residence: the Kazakhs were afraid that by tradition they should put representatives of the title in the national republics of the population, the Germans will get those posts that until now in these territories were occupied by the representatives of that zhuz who were given this part of the republic "for feeding" (although the Kazakhs were a minority in this part of the republic, the majority ulation Slavs, and Germans were all very tasty positions battered them) in second place. In the USSR, it was customary to sweep unpleasant problems under the carpet. But now it just got out.
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  1. T-100
    T-100 8 May 2013 15: 58
    30
    The collapse of the USSR showed the whole picture of relations with Russia and Russians. They are neither friends nor brothers to us, and whose rats must be poisoned)))
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 8 May 2013 16: 21
      25
      Poison, of course, is not necessary, but a new Union with such peoples is unlikely to succeed.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 8 May 2013 16: 52
        +4
        Quote: zart_arn
        Poison, of course, is not necessary, but a new Union with such peoples is unlikely to succeed.

        A new one will turn out, but not the same as it was. Today, it is not the left-wing idea and the international that rules the ball, but sound calculation and economic considerations.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 May 2013 17: 21
          -3
          Forgotten more "nationalist" ...
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 8 May 2013 19: 58
            +2
            The collapse of the USSR showed the whole picture of relations with Russia and Russians. They are neither friends nor brothers to us, and whose rats must be poisoned)))

            Close the borders tightly and introduce a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia. Foreign passports, which should have been required when crossing the border of the Russian Federation yesterday, and not the day after tomorrow, are unlikely to correct the situation.

            The Russian Foreign Ministry has denied reports of intentions to introduce a visa regime between Russia and the CIS. From 2015, a foreign passport will protect Russia from the flow of illegal migrants from Central Asia
            http://www.interfax.ru/russia/txt.asp?id=295603
            1. Canep
              Canep 8 May 2013 20: 19
              +7
              That's because of such opinions, I do not move to Russia. As a child, I went with my parents to their homeland in the Ivanovo region. Local boys teased me with a Kazakh, asking why my eyes are not narrow, although I am Russian and my father and mother are from the Ivanovo region. In Kazakhstan, I have never experienced such humiliation.
              1. GreatRussia
                GreatRussia 8 May 2013 20: 27
                +4
                If this goes on, then soon in Russia the Russians themselves will be teased by Russians.

              2. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 8 May 2013 21: 28
                +2
                Quote: Canep
                That's because of such opinions, I do not move to Russia

                Until it impatient?

                Quote: Canep
                Local boys teased me with a Kazakh

                Oh, how you got used to the RUSSIAN VILLAGE!
                1. Canep
                  Canep 8 May 2013 21: 37
                  +6
                  It was 30 years ago that the only thing that changed in this village was that there was no work at all, a cousin wound to work in Moscow, and that these guys had grown up.
              3. andrejwz
                andrejwz 9 May 2013 00: 31
                -2
                Quote: Canep
                That's because of such opinions, I do not move to Russia .... Local boys teased me with a Kazakh, asked why my eyes are not narrow, although I am Russian ... In Kazakhstan, I never experienced such humiliation.

                It was just a boy talk, an attempt to determine your hierarchy in a specific street (yard) company.
                The question is different. If the ratio (attempt) of you with the Kazakhs is so humiliating for you, then how do you live among them so proud of yourself?
                1. Canep
                  Canep 9 May 2013 04: 37
                  +1
                  I did not want to participate in this discussion anymore. I will answer you. This boyish chatter has very specific adult roots. This is, firstly, and secondly, I defined myself as Russian, because I was like that. If you began to be called a girl, despite the fact that you consider yourself to be boys, you probably would not be delighted with this. And if I am not a Kazakh, then this does not mean that I should not communicate with them, you communicate with women and you are probably married to one of them, and this does not prevent you from considering yourself a man.
                  1. andrejwz
                    andrejwz 9 May 2013 10: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Canep
                    it does not stop you from considering yourself a man.

                    And I grew up as a man and resolved questions as they arose, and did not drag behind me an armful of children's grievances.
              4. Vodrak
                Vodrak 9 May 2013 07: 20
                +6
                Yes, in general, it seems that the author has never been to Central Asia, nor does he know the history ... I myself live in Kazakhstan, yes, in its former capital, the city is large, and perhaps because of this it is calmer, but how- then they don't oppress me here especially. Here many Russians have their own business, problems with work are not of a national, but of an economic nature, moreover, sometimes Russians (local Russians) are more preferable to hire than Kazakhs (I also met this, although the employer was Kazakh). At the expense of the lack of writing - generally complete nonsense: in the beginning there was Arabic, then (in the 30s) that notorious Latin alphabet, and only after the Cyrillic came. And if I write "kainar" in the Cyrillic alphabet or "kainar" in the Latin alphabet, the author will be banging on a drum if he does not know the language. And don't forget: it was KYRILLICA that changed the Latin alphabet due to economic considerations in the 30s. the same thing is happening now and for the same reasons. At the expense of statehood, the same thing: it's like saying that before the unification of Russia there were no Russian principalities. Some kind of provocative article of a filthy nature. And in general, gentlemen, RUSSIAN Russians, stop thinking that only you have a civilization, and we ride camels here, but we live in yurts. In terms of living standards, Kazakhstan is not inferior to Russia, and somewhere it may even surpass Russia. Do you really think that all Central Asian Russians sleep and see how they are, I quote: on horses, not donkeys, on trains - they will ride to you on anything to be like a Volksdeutsche Slavic spill? My nephew is a schoolboy, winner or prize-winner of many Olympiads of republican and international importance, he achieved everything himself. So why are its prospects here worse than those in Russia? And even a lazy person here and in Russia will remain a fool and a lazy person. And that's right, Minesweeper says, we will still be second-rate, aliens for you. But this from our brothers - Russians, will be much more painful for us ...
            2. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 8 May 2013 20: 22
              +4
              A little encouraging news:

              President Vladimir Putin signed into law on Tuesday, prohibiting attracting foreigners to work in retail as highly qualified specialists. On Wednesday, the text of the document was published on the official portal of legal information.

              http://news.mail.ru/politics/13024128/?frommail=1
        2. RUSSIA 2013
          RUSSIA 2013 8 May 2013 20: 25
          -3
          we need to form a border with kazokhstan, kazokhstan, although it is our partner, but does not support our policy for all 100. the southern borders, we all see perfectly according to the last events in the east all this horde can easily rush to us, that's why I am for settling our southern robes.
          1. DeerIvanovich
            DeerIvanovich 8 May 2013 23: 11
            +5
            Ashibuk is a rolling pin lol
          2. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 9 May 2013 08: 16
            +6
            In Orenburg, is everything so bad with education? I won’t believe that the educational system and science in Russia are rightfully considered to be one of the strongest in the world. Can Google translate texts for you? Or the number 2013 in your nickname, is this the year you were born? In this case, take off my hat hi , for a six-month-old child, write very competently.
            1. Vodrak
              Vodrak 9 May 2013 08: 44
              +4
              Do not offend Google, he writes much more literate am
          3. Vodrak
            Vodrak 9 May 2013 08: 35
            +4
            For RUSSIA 2013

            Lord, poor Russian, how did you distort it !!!! Where were you taught to write?
            Well, God be with you.
            But at the expense of a mob capable of moving to Russia, I will tell you this: you must stop this mob at the BOUNDARIES of Central Asia. Because if you do not close the door to the apartment - you, excuse me, do not care in the apartment, and if you close the door to the apartment, but leave the door open in the staircase - you do not care in the staircase. And although they didn’t give a shit in your apartment, they won’t let you live in peace from the entrance.
            The borders of Central Asia for your case - this is the door to your entrance. And only a person with the intellect of a child of five years, whom you, judging by your spelling, are, can not understand this.
            1. RUSSIA 2013
              RUSSIA 2013 9 May 2013 08: 45
              +1
              Quote: Vodrak
              For RUSSIA 2013

              Lord, poor Russian, how did you distort it !!!! Where were you taught to write?
              Well, God be with you.
              But at the expense of a mob capable of moving to Russia, I will tell you this: you must stop this mob at the BOUNDARIES of Central Asia. Because if you do not close the door to the apartment - you, excuse me, do not care in the apartment, and if you close the door to the apartment, but leave the door open in the staircase - you do not care in the staircase. And although they didn’t give a shit in your apartment, they won’t let you live in peace from the entrance.
              The borders of Central Asia for your case - this is the door to your entrance. And only a person with the intellect of a child of five years, whom you, judging by your spelling, are, can not understand this.
              maybe I wrote with errors, but I cheer with all my heart for HALF COUNTRY FOR GREAT RUSSIA. Which already has suffered so much.
              1. Canep
                Canep 9 May 2013 09: 24
                +4
                Finish school ahead, and then go to the Army, serve your homeland, and then lay out statements on serious issues.
              2. Vodrak
                Vodrak 9 May 2013 09: 26
                +3
                for RUSSIA 2013

                Well, explain to me, why did you suffer so much?
                Every day an Uzbek (Kazakh, Kyrgyz) comes to you and beats you, sorry, face?
                Or do you have buses around the city with the inscription "only for Asians"?
                why do you feel so bad, you are our sick? Tell us, Volksdeutsch, we will quickly scold them here.
                And you need to root for your country so that no bl @ t even think could touch a citizen of Russia or a Russian in general, and not close in the "apartment" when they start at your "entrance".
                1. RUSSIA 2013
                  RUSSIA 2013 23 May 2013 14: 43
                  +1
                  By the way, I served the army in the Far East, the Marine Corps, and saw how these Asians rode during the years of my service, 1990-1992. Yes, almost all minibuses are driven by our smaller brothers, markets, cafes, all of them are native, but the Russians need to be defended pile, otherwise the legs will hang down. I once didn’t close myself in the apartment, and I gave the Soviet Union an oversight, and I turned a lot of things. And because of the errors, I’m not so strong in my computer, and I have a little couples with keyboards for you.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 8 May 2013 16: 39
      18
      It is necessary to support the Russians, first of all, in the Russian Federation, so that an outcome does not occur from it. And then, apparently, the state is doing everything for this. And the second must be by all means to return our former citizens who remained abroad, as Israel does, but so far we have the opposite, the Russian family cannot obtain citizenship, because it does not want anyone to be given on its paw.
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 8 May 2013 20: 10
        10
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        It is necessary to support the Russians, first of all, in the Russian Federation, so that an outcome does not occur from it.

        This is what surprises me. Why does the free banquet continue at the expense of Russian citizens, in particular free training, treatment, feeding of numerous offspring of the so-called migrants?



        Muscovites seek school without migrant children. Up to 60% of children in the lower grades of the capital they speak Russian poorly

        In the sleeping areas of Moscow in the lower grades two thirds of students are children of migrants. Up to 60% of children in the lower grades of the capital do not speak Russian well

        http://tajmigrant.com/moskvichi-stremyatsya-v-shkoly-bez-detej-migrantov.html
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 8 May 2013 16: 47
      18
      Quote: T-100
      The collapse of the USSR showed the whole picture of relations with Russia and Russians. They are neither friends nor brothers to us, and whose rats must be poisoned)))

      Article minus. Not scribble, but a bunch of shit. The usual provocation in attempts to stop the re-creation of a great country. Two or three incidents are passed off as an apocalyptic event. Russians have always wanted to return to their historical homeland, moreover, they ended up in Central Asia not of their own accord, but on "vouchers". They came just to raise the backward regions. Unfortunately, they suffered the most severe suffering as a result of the collapse of the USSR, when they could not simply return back, but became citizens of another country. Of course, these people were categorically against the collapse of the USSR. Therefore, they opposed the local princelings, for which they came under attack.

      Today the situation is completely different. The resettlement program for compatriots was changed and finally it began to work. Hence the increase in the number of returnees. Today in Russia there are not enough people and the influx of our compatriots is a breath of fresh clean air for our economy. People themselves immigrate not so much because of the oppression, which of course is, but because of the economic situation in this region, which is deplorable and continues to deteriorate. The EU is just an opportunity to influence this situation, but the return of compatriots is beneficial to Russia and cannot be prevented. The EU is not the USSR and there will be no exhaustion of the Russian economy, hence the constant wars between its members, since some believed that once they entered, Russia should supply them with everything for free, but this did not happen and will not happen. Hence the attempts to monitor some joint projects like Baikonur.

      Regarding Afghanistan, this is another horror story bike. What could be worse when your main geopolitical rival has a huge grouping at your southern borders, protects heroin barons and helps them with logistics to poison your country, and also creates training camps for your Wahhabis there? Today, Afghanistan is the largest producer, but also CONSUMER heroin ive the world. The Americans, as always, are not aware of humanity, and therefore made the decision to destroy the rebellious Afghans with genetic weapons - heroin. As soon as the United States gets tired out of there, the Taliban will start a war with the American stooges and drug lords for control of the country. As a result, only this will save hundreds of thousands of our young people from this poison. Of course, the base will be knocked out from under the feet of many elites of Central Asia who are sitting on the traffic of heroin to Russia. Which by itself will reduce the fervor of all local nationalists, who exist only on US grants and drug trafficking revenues.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 8 May 2013 17: 02
        +8
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Article minus. Not scribble, but a bunch of shit. The usual provocation in attempts to stop the re-creation of a great country. Two or three incidents are passed off as an apocalyptic event. Russians have always wanted to return to their historical homeland, moreover, they ended up in Central Asia not of their own accord, but on "vouchers". They came just to raise the backward regions. Unfortunately, they suffered the most severe suffering as a result of the collapse of the USSR, when they could not simply return back, but became citizens of another country.


        I give you a bold plus for in-depth analysis and verified commentary.

        quote-Alexander Sobyanin, political scientist, head of the strategic planning service of the Cross-Border Cooperation Association:

        Actively participating in migration and demographic policies, I have always opposed the Concept of the Return of Compatriots. The mere discussion of the usefulness or risks of the outcome of the Russians and Russian speakers from anywhere means that The Russian state fixes for itself the meaninglessness and impossibility of building a new Big State - the Eurasian Union. I am categorically against such defeatism and for the Big State.

        absolutely right, plus not only the states of Central Asia and Kazakhstan, but also Azerbaijan. We need to fight, the Government of the Russian Federation needs to make every effort in this direction, for its part, I am ready to provide all possible assistance in the matter of integration, then I am here. People want to integrate here with the local kings, khans and beks do not like it. Sooner or later they will have to answer for their crimes, of which a lot of them have accumulated over decades.
        1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 8 May 2013 19: 20
          +1
          For which the cuckoo praises the rooster, for the fact that he praises the cuckoo, you both know the situation in Pouin speeches and in reality there is a complete jo for Russians ......-----
          1. smile
            smile 9 May 2013 02: 06
            0
            NOBODY EXCEPT US
            Putin’s most ardent followers are Russians who are forced to live abroad, trust my experience ... I am a supporter of Putin, but, nevertheless, I am forced to fight with my mother, who worships him, explaining that he’s never a saint . justify their position ... for Russians who are abroad .. he’s a chance that they will be just people ... ordinary ... and in reality, Russians are complete ... here you are right ... I am surprised by our Colleagues. from which you can sculpt antique statues of symbols of the mind ... but which, continuing our really correct traditions of the Soviet era ... prefer either not to know ... or..not to notice, the language will not rise .... guys, you’re already ran into it ... is it really necessary?
        2. Yasen Ping
          Yasen Ping 8 May 2013 19: 51
          +2
          But I don’t agree on Afghanistan and the Taliban, there was infa that the Taliban liked to use money from drugs, so we can expect just an increase, and the Islamists and drug trafficking ..
      2. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 17: 25
        0
        I can agree with you about Afghanistan, but as for the rest, in the article, everything is true!
      3. Beck
        Beck 8 May 2013 17: 45
        13
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Today the situation is completely different. The resettlement program for compatriots was changed and finally it began to work. Hence the increase in the number of returnees.


        Also a plus for the adequacy and analysis.

        The absolute majority of people, under favorable circumstances, always want to return to their historical homeland. This is an axiom. A program of resettlement appeared in Russia automatically increased the number of applicants. Leaving a familiar place in the unknown is always difficult, and often impossible.

        And the author, and as admins pass, everyone wants to foment ethnic hatred between the peoples of their closest neighbors and close allies. This is what the author drew to the relocation program an episode with Baikonur. Well, there are current, bureaucratic troubles, so agree, find a consensus. And according to the author, it is because of Baikonur that everyone wants to leave. The transition to the Latin alphabet, not tomorrow, but gradually, starting with the first class and today's generation, this Latin will not affect. Some nationalists have discovered their hailo, so this is not the whole nation and not the official authorities. In Russia, Zhirinovsky didn’t even offer it, and the schenheads yelled. So I'm judging by Zhirinovsky, and the schenheads about the whole politics of Russia and about the whole Russian people.

        The author also does not know the history or neglects it. Exposing Kazakhstan and Kazakhstanis in an unsightly light. There was no statehood. Yes, in all scientific definitions there is the concept of a nomadic state. Of course, it differs from settled states, but it is a state. Writing. If you go from ancient times, first the Turkic runes from the 6th century, then the capital Turkic script (Uyghur), after the adoption of Islam, the Arabic alphabet, under the Soviets of the Cyrillic alphabet.

        Our leaders are struggling to create the EurAsEC, and some low-chipped journalist with his opuses is trying to foment ethnic hatred, to separate peoples living side by side, in the neighborhood, for 1000 years. Of these, more than half a thousand years in one state. 300 years in the Golden Horde, 174 years in the Russian Empire, 74 years in the USSR. And who are now striving for the Union.

        Such zhurnalyug to the pillory, to the scaffold of dishonor and to the crest of shame.
        1. Circle
          Circle 8 May 2013 17: 48
          +7
          Absolute truth, Beck 100
        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 8 May 2013 21: 11
          +3
          Quote: Beck
          Such zhurnalyug to the pillory, to the scaffold of dishonor and to the crest of shame.


          Dear BEK!
          First - WITH THE GREATEST HOLIDAY OF VICTORY!
          AND SECONDLY:
          there is a place for discussion, for discussion, for the exchange of views, for the development of a professionally verified approach to the event.
          And this is re-arranged in the VO magazine, and we are FORUMAN here!

          No one counts on us!
          Do not fall into emotions.
          It’s kind of like a conversation of adults with children!
          "Do not read Soviet newspapers before breakfast! Indigestion can happen from them! - But there are no others! - So do not read at all! (Especially - INTERNET)"
          No need to "break spears"!
          Well, to the yellow press, to stupid advertising, to network marketing, to dietary supplements, to divorces, etc. We are accustomed to the charm of dermatocracy? We will soon get used to these costs of our time.
          Just someone needs some money! those. business...
          Something like this.
          1. Beck
            Beck 8 May 2013 22: 44
            +5
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            First - WITH THE GREATEST HOLIDAY OF VICTORY!


            And you with the HOLIDAY OF THE HIGHEST VICTORY.
        3. Klim
          Klim 8 May 2013 22: 04
          +2
          Yes, there wasn’t any nomadic statehood among the Kazakhs, perhaps the beginnings of statehood began to appear in the internal horde, now they call it Bukeevskaya, and to be honest, to whom the Kazakhs owe their statehood to V.I. Lenin and his monuments to demolish the current leadership of Kazakhstan like that should be ashamed.
        4. nemec55
          nemec55 8 May 2013 22: 37
          +3
          That's right, you don’t need to listen to such magazines. There are problems, but they were solved in the 90s it was worse.
      4. jagdpanzer
        jagdpanzer 8 May 2013 19: 33
        -1
        Today, Afghanistan is the largest producer, but also a USER of heroin in the world.
        cooler than I didn’t hear!
      5. Uhe
        Uhe 9 May 2013 00: 15
        +3
        The Russians ended up in the same Kazakhstan not only on vouchers. Vast territories of Russia were given into an artificial compound called "Kazakhstan" together with the Russian population. Nobody asked this population whether it wants to live in the RSFSR or in Kazakhstan.

        And so, Kazakhstan will not go anywhere precisely because it is an artificial connection created by the Russians, like the rest of the "states" of Central Asia (Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan). Leave the Kazakhs from us, they will simply be eaten by other cunning peoples who do not suffer from excessive philanthropy and compassion, as we do.
    4. smile
      smile 8 May 2013 16: 49
      +6
      T-100
      You can’t say that ... we didn’t and never will, we are not Nazis and not Anglo-Saxons .... but to our colleagues who here on the blue eye claim that they have Russian happiness and do not want to admit the abominable behavior of the titular and their authorities in relation to the Russians should be thoughtful - in the emergence of such sentiments as your discrimination against the Russians denied by them ...
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 8 May 2013 23: 42
        +2
        Quote: smile
        but to our colleagues who here on the blue eye claim that they have Russian happiness

        We do not claim that they have happiness. We note that they live like everyone else - who is worse, who is better ..
        Quote: smile
        do not want to acknowledge the abomination of the titular and their authorities in relation to the Russians

        And ask Kazakh Russians fool
        Especially for you to quote ..
        Quote: Canep
        1. I live Russian in the regional center, I don’t notice everything is normal for nationalism ..
        2. In Kazakhstan, I have never experienced such humiliation.
        3. I live Russian in Kazakhstan in Ekibastuz, and the author of the article, in my opinion, has never crossed the MKAD border. He knows about Kazakhstan .... but he doesn’t know what.
        4. Not a single monument has been demolished in Kazakhstan, but on the contrary, new ones are being erected. And the Russians do not need to think that we (in Kazakhstan) have feudalism, Internet television, 3G, everything is there, the standard of living is slightly lower than the Russian one, and there is no such income gap as between Moscow and the province.
        5. I am in Ekibas. I read the local press and I don’t find any nationalism in it. Yes, and Orthodox holidays in Kazakhstan are respected ..

        Andrey KZ:
        1. ..in Kazakhstan, no one humiliates anyone (or is it because I am Ukrainian?).
        2. I live in the South Kazakhstan region, the region and about the "genocide" of the Russian Kazakhs, I learn from just such, if I may say so, articles.
        3. I live in South Kazakhstan, full of Russian schools

        Quote: Max Russian
        There is no Russian-speaking genocide in Kazakhstan, I agree. Pensions are paid to all, regardless of nationality. Holidays are celebrated and Orthodox.

        True, I won’t prove anything to you. laughing but at least .. brought the facts ..
        You can ask them .. And also Focker, concept1, Kirill110, Dmitriy85 A and u Karavana - Evgenia Doroshenko .. by the way, this is probably funny .. lol but until recently, I thought he was Kazakh ..
        Quote: smile
        their discrimination against Russians ...

        Nda request It seems like a smart person ... but there too ..
        Better Of Christ, on this occasion, no one said:
        Seeing do not see, and hearing do not hear, and do not understand.
        1. smile
          smile 9 May 2013 04: 23
          0
          Alibekulu
          You don’t seem to be .. but just a smart person ..... but all your pathetics breaks down into conversations with refugees from you .... and in the Kaliningrad region there are too many of them .... more than it could be in the district committee .. .... they tell things that are not very pleasant for you and for me, not counting on something ... at least on something .... you seem to be a smart person ... but there too ...... have conscience, do not force to retell ... you yourself know everything ... and there ... I love and respect you all ..... do not force to despise for lying and swear at trifles ....
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 9 May 2013 05: 24
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Alibekulu
            You aren’t kind of ... but just a smart person ....

            But for this rahmet hi
            Quote: smile
            but all your pathetics is broken about conversations with refugees

            And your "pathos" is broken by comments (sorry for repeating, but ..)Canepa, Andrey KZ, Max Russian, Focker, Karavan and others ...
            Here explain to me, silly recourse than conversations with refugees - more weighty, truthful, more honest than the testimonies of Russian Kazakhstanis .. whose testimonies did I bring ?? !! request
            I, as I understand it ... it’s like Orwell’s dystopian novel “Farmyard”:
            "All are equal, but some are more equal than others .."
            So, sir, are Russians in Kaliningrad more equal than Russians in Kazakhstan ??!
            Quote: smile
            ... and in the Kaliningrad region there are too many of them .... more than it could be in the district committee .....

            You know, there are too many Russians in Kazakhstan ... more than in the entire Kaliningrad region than there could be in the district committee ... in feudal, bai Kazakhstan, where Kazakhs only do what they "genocide", "oppress" and "humiliate "Russians am
            Quote: smile
            .you kind of smart person ...

            So it’s kind of or just smart ?!
            Quote: smile
            do not make retell ...

            Respected hi it is you do not make me retell ..
            Already, Andrew is tired of writing ..
            Quote: Andrey KZ:
            Now I’m writing my tenth comment to put my BOLD minus in the article

            And Sergey already does not want to discuss No. :
            Quote: Minesweeper:
            Statue with a rot. I did not want to participate in this discussion anymore

            And Doroshenko Eugene - Trailer on this occasion, even wrote an article .. wink
            Quote: smile
            ..Do not force to despise lies and swear at trifles ....

            In this I am with you, I fully agree good
            1. smile
              smile 9 May 2013 06: 15
              0
              Alibekulu of this
              They wrote a lot ... brought quotes ... moreover, the people who wrote the quotes are here ...
              everything is correct ... BUT !!!
              Read the others who are here too .. one girl among them ... the generous Russian people did not support their harsh statements ... so the problem of discrimination does not resolve from Russian generosity ... you are really a smart person (only without rakhmatov is a statement) ... but I hope that it’s honest, you will not hide from us what even your normal press writes about us? And in the 90th? This is one and a half dozen years !!!! I’m not talking about different special cases ... you see, if a few tens of thousands of Russians in your ethnic group deprived of their property, work, etc. (I must say. That, etc. ... you’re not as long as others) ... you wouldn’t be silent now ... especially ... if this business would continue ... at least partially .... have the courage to admit that you are not in everyone is right ... so to speak ... and we will put our lives for you ... not because we love you so much, but because you are right ... and if we swallow the bullying of the Russians again, then you’ll do nothing if you don’t get it, it’s already reached the people. that this was happening in large numbers ... sorry, but now you have to do something to convince our people that what happened is over, and you apologize for that ... no, no ... your right. ..and the result, despite the efforts of our site-based peacekeepers ... and me, insignificant, it will be known which .... r! it’s all sad .... here
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 9 May 2013 09: 50
                +8
                Greetings Vladimir! Plus you for the adequacy, but you are still somewhat mistaken. My formation as a person took place in the notorious 90s, I graduated from school in 1991, served in the army in 92-94, married in 1995. So for some reason I did not feel second-rate either in school, in the army or in civilian life. I finished my military service as a commander of a communications training platoon, due to the mass exodus of officers, and I witnessed how to Russia together with the Russians officers also transferred Kazakh officers. So why did the Russians (and not only) go to Russia en masse? I will try to explain how I see this situation, so to speak from the inside. After the collapse of the Union, very difficult times came in Kazakhstan, difficult for everyone, in including for the Kazakhs, it must be assumed that it was not sweet in Russia at that time, but in Kazakhstan, at least in Chimkent, there really was ... and in 1995 I bought a 2-room apartment for 1750 cu ... Yes, the price is ridiculous, funny now, but then it was a lot of money. Osto there was no money, production did not work, and those who worked did not pay wages, I worked for half a year at a lead plant, received a bank of herring once a salary, I quit nafig. Then they gave me a salary through the court ... crystal, my family should eat there is nothing, but they gave me crystal. So "they threw their property for next to nothing" is not "genocide", but the economic situation. There is a proposal, but there is no money. 1996 my daughter is born, and the gas is turned off in Chimkent. Winter, There is no gas, no heating, no electricity for weeks either, but I have a newborn daughter! Here, I confess, I also had an associative array - they lived in the USSR, everything was fine, and now, Kazakhs, all-pro-salipolymers, as they like to write here. thoughts arose - it is necessary to blame, but you think it's so easy to throw everything and dump it, it's not even about property, but about the graves of their ancestors, because abandoning them meant betraying their memory, and my ancestors on my mother's side came to Kazakhstan before the revolution, along father in the 50s on a Komsomol voucher. I decided to endure, there is nothing to lose. I drove my wife and child to their parents in the village, it’s good there, a stove, my father bought a diesel generator for 10 kW. And he began to sell an apartment, sold it, already for 1200 USD, who doesn’t need it without electricity and gas, people on the street They cooked with firewood. I added, I bought a house for 3800 USD, and now I live in it. Gradually everything has improved and now living in Kazakhstan is no worse than in Russia. And with the creation of the Eurasian Union, I am sure, all of us, and Russians, and Kazakhstanis, we will live even better. So, let's live together, we will not listen to any provocateurs!
                1. smile
                  smile 9 May 2013 16: 54
                  0
                  Andrey KZ
                  You are smart ... and you are right ... in almost everything ..... your situation is a special case .... but your case would be more convincing if the deterioration of life associated with the collapse of the Union affected everyone equally .. and the position of the Russian-speaking people is not related to their nationality .... if now one of our Central Asian children, including you, begins to say that the Russians skate in oil, or at least have equal rights ..... I will stop perceive them .... this is not a great loss ... nonetheless ... the only thing I can answer is ... have a conscience .... !!!!!!!
              2. Vodrak
                Vodrak 9 May 2013 12: 51
                +2
                Dear smile,
                Well, stop being carried on propaganda belolentochnyh!
                Here, now, the Russians living in Kazakhstan say that there is NO ethnic discrimination here. There is no humiliation of Russian.
                You, apparently, have never been to Kazakhstan and just do not know how Russians live here. Come visit, see everything with your own eyes, show everything, tell everything.
                And you can talk a lot and different ...
                It is better to see once.
                1. smile
                  smile 9 May 2013 17: 14
                  0
                  Vodrak

                  Sir ... call me belolentochnoy ... cool .. but without reason .... but what should I do with the words of those who have left you ... escaped, to be honest? there are hundreds of them, thousands even in the Kaliningrad region ... and only a small part of them are provided ...
                  You are right, I have never been to Kazakhstan .... as one of my acquaintances said, and you, honestly, say that Kazakhstan is the only republic where Russians were equated with the titular ..... please- tell me, under what slogans did the titulars change power in the republic? ... I won’t continue .. laugh, and the whole world will laugh with you ... crying and you will cry alone .... another friend told me this saying ... from SEA ... it is sickening to argue with you ..... and people are even sicker ...
                  1. Andrey KZ
                    Andrey KZ 9 May 2013 19: 08
                    +3
                    Vladimir, but let's not argue, my situation is far from a special case, come to visit us, we will show everything, you will see everything, such as NOBODY EXCEPT US, I don’t want to see, but adequate ones, welcome, I’ll take you to the most distant villages, show you how we live.
                    1. Semurg
                      Semurg 9 May 2013 23: 06
                      +3
                      Quote: Andrew KZ
                      Vladimir, but let's not argue, my situation is far from a special case, come to visit us, we will show everything, you will see everything, such as NOBODY EXCEPT US, I don’t want to see, but adequate ones, welcome, I’ll take you to the most distant villages, show you how we live.

                      He doesn’t come; he has an opinion that suits him, and if he comes, he will look for only the negative. Well, you are local Russians who write that they are more or less good traitors or who do not see clearly. This is a milder version of the T-100 which stupidly suggests poisoning with strychnine and judging by he has a lot of followers, and if you add a mild version to them, then probably a good half, which is very sad. Well, thanks to all the local Russians who write about their lives here, otherwise they think very badly about Kazakhstan in Russia.
                  2. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu 10 May 2013 12: 54
                    +3
                    Quote: smile
                    .. it’s sick to argue with you ..... and people are even more sick ... g! it’s all sad .... here ..

                    Do not be sad and sour .. I remind you of your words:
                    Quote: smile
                    .. laugh, and the whole world will laugh with you ...

                    And here you are absolutely right .. And as our Kyrgyz friends say: "Winter won't come!?!"drinks

                    I hope this video cheers you up laughing
                    (and I also hope that the Kyrgyz did not take offense at me recourse Yes, what the hell ..)
              3. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 9 May 2013 21: 49
                +2
                Quote: smile
                Read the others who are here too .. among them one girl...
                The keyword in your phrase is ONE.
                Are you talking about ia-ai00?! Duc she is no longer a girl laughing
                Of the many Russian Kazakhstanis, there was no one else to appeal to?
                As for her, she was remembered for the fact that from time to time she repeats, like a mantra: "And their advisor is Tony blair - Tony blair - Tony blair" ..
                What to talk about with her ?! request The Kazakhs have already tried to explain to her normally, but she is like a wind-up parrot .. she is spinning and spinning a "hackneyed" record ..
                Yes, she worries me and frankly warps her vocabulary, the phrases that she uses in her speech: "lost," vydryuchivalis "," stars "," nature ", podlyanu, dermokrats, liberasty ... and so on."
                It is somehow strange to read these words from the pen WOMEN request who are more suitable for "bazaar women" ..
                No, I'm not going to pretend to be a "Turgenev girl", I myself often use - all the "wealth" of the Russian language. But still, somehow it's not right for me ..
                Yes, and I'm afraid to go down to her level ... (quarreling ..) ..

                And in her statements, she is often guided by slogans, ideologems, cliches ... It is extremely difficult to talk about anything with such people .. They have everything "ossified" ... Such is the "product of the Soviet agitprom" ..
                But apparently we will have a "conversation" with her too ..

                If you need a critical point of view of Russian Kazakhstanis, then I would advise you to contact kirill110..
                One can conduct a "dialogue" with him - most of his remarks about the situation in Kazakhstan carry "constructive" criticism. And with such critical arguments, without embellishment, I for the most part agree ..
                Quote: smile
                you will not hide from us

                Dear, this is not in my competence ... Russian Kazakhs have already explained everything perfectly to you, much better than me .. (in the end, they are "oppressed" and "genocidal") Why should I speak for them ?!
                Quote: smile
                even your press writes about us?

                Well, don't read the "yellow" press ..
                And we also have enough idiots, just like you, however ...
                Quote: smile
                the result, despite the efforts .. it will be known which ....

                Don’t worry - EVERYTHING WILL BE WELL ...
                And in many ways, thanks to our Russian compatriots ..
                such as Focker, concept1, kirill110, Dmitriyа85 and many others
                I would like to express special thanks Canepu- Sergey Vodraku Andrey KZMax Russian Karavanu -Eugene ..
                Thank you very much!?! (I hope not too pathetic .. recourse ).
    5. Warrawar
      Warrawar 8 May 2013 16: 55
      14
      Guys! It is necessary to gather the Russian people, from all over the world, back to Russia! We have problems with Demography, and we have millions of people all over the world! It is necessary to protect the people, the people are the main treasure of the state! There will be no people - there will be no state!
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 8 May 2013 17: 24
        +5
        It is enough to simplify the return and provide some kind of help; you will not be forcibly sweet, not forgetting about possible abuses. Mentally dependent people rush to extremes.
        Guys! It is necessary to gather the Russian people, from all over the world, back to Russia!

        We are not Jews to build the promised land here. Russians abroad (near or far), if they are real Russians, are the outpost of Russian self-consciousness, a good example and destroyer of false images. The whole world belongs to me and I to the whole world - Russian (not duped) is distinguished by a breadth of views and the absence of a petty-mentality mentality, rigid religious or interethnic views. In general, you do not have to leave the world to the mercy of fate and narrow down becoming more vulnerable!
        And do not forget about support and cultural ties.
    6. Trailer
      Trailer 8 May 2013 17: 30
      14
      http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kazakh_latin_alphabet_%281931%29.JPG?usel
      ang = ru

      Well, as if the author drives. With it much. Above is the Kazakh Latinized alphabet from the ABC book 1931 and its correspondence with the Arabic alphabet. Well, as for the move to Russia - as I was convinced, it is easy for citizens of Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan to move to Russia. They are also offered a labor amnesty. But his, Russian, more difficult more significant. Because we are trying to do everything according to the law - and here on you, bribes, small lifting, slipping of the resettlement program. So - the author drives.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 18: 21
        +5
        Yes, the majority and do not need lifting, if only in "nature" it was, as in the decree on the adoption of citizenship, so that starting with minor officials they do not "vydryuchitsya" and do not require any paper more than necessary.
      2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 8 May 2013 19: 22
        -1
        Here you have a huge plus ......
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    8. starshina78
      starshina78 8 May 2013 19: 59
      15
      It so happened that I have three people of Russian nationality working for me, two refugees from Uzbekistan, and one refugee from Azerbaijan. All of them were born and raised there, one lived in Baku, graduated from a military school in Baku, served there, but at the end of the eighties he was forced to leave everything: a three-room apartment, a dacha on the seashore, a car, and run away with only suitcases, a wife and two kids. headlong until this very head was cut off. The other two (one lived in Tashkent, the other in Samarkand) left in 2000. They also abandoned almost everything (sold for a pittance). And everything becomes clear from their stories. If they fled from Baku in connection with the bloody events, then they were not driven from Uzbekistan, but they were not allowed to live either. They could hit their wife, daughters, take off their gold earrings (in the presence of a policeman), squeeze them out of work (although one of them had worked as the head of a transport company since Soviet times). The most interesting thing is that in Uzbekistan almost all enterprises built with the help of the entire USSR, and working at the expense of Russian specialists, are currently stopped. It turns out we helped them, and now "go out, I'm a complete asshole." Here they are so meek, and there are kings, and they take revenge on the remaining Russians for not raising their heads here. Our Government needs to set a condition for the leaders of those Central Asian countries whose people are coming to work for us: if you want yours to work with us, be so kind as not to oppress the remaining Russians with you, otherwise we will not let your guest workers in. Maybe then there will be order.
      1. maloi3326
        maloi3326 8 May 2013 23: 51
        +1
        That's right! Since then, we have also had full refugees from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, etc. Why did they just throw it all away? They don’t like Russians anywhere. They gave freedom to the republics — live as you like once the Russians bother you, so there’s no time .. .li and they are roaming back to Russia and the rights are being shaken. We are not a geyvrop; we will teach you to love the Motherland aloud.
    9. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 8 May 2013 20: 18
      +5
      Quote: T-100
      They are neither friends nor brothers to us, and whose rats must be poisoned)))

      Your words to someone in the ears!
      For it comes to an open violation of the rights of Russian citizens.
      Specific example:

      Tajik migrants take over Tatarstan villages

      Bad news began to come from the village of Kurmanayevo, Nurlat district of the Republic of Tatarstan. Local residents there rebelled against the Tajik lawlessness and demand the immediate eviction of unbelted visitors. According to local residents, these "peaceful refugees" behave arrogantly and defiantly, demanding to sell them their houses for nothing and promising to establish their own rules in the village, otherwise they would cut them all. Local police, administration and Muslim clergy side with the Tajiks, blaming the local Tatars for lack of tolerance.


      As the residents of the Kurmanayevo village told the staff of the expedition of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies on May 4, Tajiks are brazenly behaving with teachers, call names and insulting Tatar grandmothers, molesting Tatar girls and schoolgirls with sexual intentions, threatening reprisals to guys who dare to intercede for them. In the event of attempts to repulse, they call for help from among the Tajiks living in Nurlat. From there come the guys in black masks who plainly say “We will cut you, the new Tajikistan will be here ”.

      As for local officials, according to local residents, they completely sided with Tajik settlers and even register Tajiks without their knowledge in their own homes.

      «A woman who came from Central Asia works there as a passportist, explained Rais Suleymanov. - The Muslim clergy of the village sided with the Tajiks, both imams willingly began to prescribe Tajiks at their place, contributing to the colonization of the village, explaining this by “Islamic solidarity”. Locals complain that Tajiks with thick beards come to the imam at night. Residents believe that imams support them because of money. The same thing happens with the local authorities - they generally threaten residents with the dissolution of the school.

      http://kazanfirst.ru/feed/994
    10. Black
      Black 8 May 2013 20: 53
      +4
      Quote: T-100
      They are neither friends nor brothers to us, and whose rats must be poisoned)))

      Well, okay, - the man in the hearts decided with a streshnin to poison part of the new community of the Soviet people ...
      But 17 set +, then they thought it first.
      You know. that the site is read there, do you think you will increase the degree of love for the Russian diaspora? It’s impossible.
    11. Beck
      Beck 8 May 2013 22: 40
      +3
      Quote: T-100
      The collapse of the USSR showed the whole picture of relations with Russia and Russians. They are neither friends nor brothers to us, and whose rats must be poisoned)))


      Yeah. This is not called the T-100, but the shame of the nation. Schenhead only one pair, this is a fascist.
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      1. Beck
        Beck 9 May 2013 12: 43
        +6
        SO.

        Here, some write that the author wants to incite ethnic hatred. I, too, have such an opinion. But with a little analysis, it is clearly visible that there is nothing to foment it on this page. It burns without an article.

        I made a small calculation, starting from the first T-100 comment, that people should be poisoned like rats. A total of 87 people visited the page and 29 people agree to poison people like rats, that is 33%. This is 33% of misanthropy. And these are forum users from Russia. It is not known how many people have not put a plus, but agree with this statement.

        Opponents of the T-100, in their comments, have never once offended the interlocutors. Supporters of the T-100 many times - rats, chuchmeks, monkeys, etc. And this is also the forum users from Russia. So where do people feel bad? I am absolutely sure that this section of this page is ABSOLUTELY NOT INDICATOR FOR ALL RUSSIA.

        The willingness of the T-100 and its supporters to poison people with strychnine is very close to poisoning people with Cyclone-B and burning people in stoves. If the T-100 lived in 1941-1945, he, like a scanhead, would be shot by the Red Army as an accomplice to fascist ideology.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 9 May 2013 12: 58
          +2
          Beck does not need to react so emotionally, spoil his nerves. There are sometimes things on the site that are difficult to understand. Often the herd instinct prevails (sometimes you clicked the wrong way) Well, in general, you should not judge by the pros. Some even (such as Vadimus) ) can’t just congratulate each other in the queue, they climb into the header of the thread to grab even on this and draw attention to themselves.
          we are all emotional here)
          1. Beck
            Beck 9 May 2013 13: 27
            +4
            Quote: Gleb
            Beck doesn't need to be so emotional


            HAPPY VICTORY HOLIDAY you!

            I really did not want to write such a comment on such a day. But then it would not make sense to write. And I wrote a comment to ensure that people think, and that whenever possible they refuse to poison people on a national basis.
    13. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 9 May 2013 03: 33
      +1
      Russian-to Russia. And these let them hesitate, how everyone will know how it will end.
  2. elmir15
    elmir15 8 May 2013 16: 03
    +8
    First, the Kazakh authorities voiced new claims against Baikonur, then President Nazarbayev announced the translation of the Kazakh language into the Latin alphabet (until the appearance of the Cyrillic alphabet, Kazakhs did not have any written language or statehood - approx.ed.), Then manual local nationalists tried to initiate from the presidential administration referendum on the prohibition of the Russian language.

    Maybe this is so, or maybe another journalistic duck funded by the West. The West clearly wants to split between Russia and Kazakhstan, Ukraine and many countries of the former USSR. Such provocations cannot be fought.
    1. chaban13
      chaban13 8 May 2013 16: 46
      +5
      Maybe it's enough to blame everything to the west? Just a little - just Americans! You will travel around Kazakhstan itself, through regional centers and see the attitude towards Russians. All these former republics, "fraternal peoples" have long made their choice. For them, the best strategy is "both ours and yours."
      1. Canep
        Canep 8 May 2013 19: 27
        +6
        I live Russian in the regional center, I don’t notice nationalism, but if a Russian moves from Kazakhstan to a regional Russian city or even worse to a village, then the attitude of local residents can be expressed in one phrase: - "come in large numbers here." And the district police officer is likely to write it down as unreliable.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 8 May 2013 19: 39
          +7
          This is not true, I left Kazakhstan in 2005, since then I live in the regional center, I have never heard the words in my address: "come in large numbers", there are many immigrants from both Kazakhstan and Central Asia. So you are simply misled by someone on purpose. Unless, of course, you yourself are not spreading such rumors.
          1. Dmitry 2246
            Dmitry 2246 8 May 2013 20: 25
            +3
            Recently, a friend, a Russian, went to visit Tashkent because of nostalgia.
            They took it well, they gave way to the bus, but the city is not the same, people do not live well and nostalgia disappeared.
          2. Canep
            Canep 8 May 2013 20: 46
            +3
            This is not true, I left Kazakhstan in 2005, since then I live in the regional center, I have never heard the words in my address: "come in large numbers"
            What region do you live in? In Siberia, probably, go to central Russia (Ivanivska obl.), My parents are from there, and I saw the attitude to visitors in the village with my own eyes, even when I was on vacation.
        2. chaban13
          chaban13 8 May 2013 21: 48
          +4
          And I have all the relatives in the regional center in the WKO. Everything that was built for people in Soviet times (water pipes, agricultural machinery), rotting in the yards in the yards, only Kazakhs in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it comes to the point that only Russians are fined. Nobody thinks about the CU and the EU. Because they do not need it.
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 9 May 2013 20: 26
            +3
            Oh, God, so who just did not drag at that time, forget all this, about fines, I personally do not violate, they do not unreasonably stop. What are the problems?
      2. elmir15
        elmir15 8 May 2013 23: 15
        +2
        Quote: chaban13
        Maybe it's enough to blame everything to the west? Just a little - just Americans! You will travel around Kazakhstan itself, through regional centers and see the attitude towards Russians. All these former republics, "fraternal peoples" have long made their choice. For them, the best strategy is "both ours and yours."

        I don’t speak for all Americans, the British, but for their politicians, condemned men and others who had a hand in the collapse of the USSR and judging by the current state, they continue their subversive activities. And in your opinion, the Americans and the British are innocent lambs, take off your pink glasses. According to your statements, you see a fan of the West and an opponent of the reunification of the countries of the former USSR and you see only the bad, but it did not occur to you that ordinary people are not at all to blame for the policies of their rulers?
        1. chaban13
          chaban13 9 May 2013 17: 59
          +1
          By no means do I wear pink glasses. Of course, I (like any sane citizen) believe that the West is the main opponent of Russia. And I say what I see. For a REAL union, the idea of ​​a union must constantly be in the air, they should talk about it in queues, on benches, etc., etc. The union should be NEEDED to ordinary people, as the USSR was needed in the 20s. TO
          Quote: elmir15

          and it didn’t occur to you that ordinary people are not at fault for the policy of their rulers?
          certainly not to blame. But these rulers have leverage over the media, the Ministry of Education, and propaganda. These rulers are raising a new generation that does not need Russia; they hardly understand the Russian language (even in border regions). So I repeat: so far, the population of the CIS does not see the pluses in creating a union. He just won't give them anything. And the exclamations of the patriots (to which I refer myself) that they say it is necessary to unite and defend themselves against the hated Anglo-Saxons, alas, an empty phrase.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 8 May 2013 16: 52
      +2
      Quote: elmir15
      Maybe this is so, or maybe another journalistic duck funded by the West. The West clearly wants to split between Russia and Kazakhstan, Ukraine and many countries of the former USSR. Such provocations cannot be fought.

      I agree. Material with a stock. Minus earned rightly.
    3. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 8 May 2013 17: 47
      +6
      Read the local Kazakh press, and you will understand that THIS is NOT TIPS. Travel our roads: road signs - in Kazakh and English, including Russian you rarely see. Go to the SES institutions, medical institutions - you will not find plates in Russian, but you say ... Northern cities, with the predominance of the Russian-speaking population (Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, Koreans), such as Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk, etc. .

      Major Kazakh cities proposed to rename
      Seytkazy Mataev. Photo from Tengrinews Archive
      The head of the Union of Journalists of Kazakhstan Seytkazy Mataev believes that it is necessary to give other names to the cities of Semey, Ust-Kamenogorsk and Pavlodar. In an interview with Channel 31, he stated that historically there were no such names as "Semey" and "Askemen" in the Kazakh language. There was also no word "Kereku", which was previously proposed to call Pavlodar. This word, Mataev explained, came from the name of the Russian merchant Koryakov.


      ... Many northern cities of modern Kazakhstan have more than three centuries of history.

      So, Uralsk was founded by the Russians in 1584, Guryev, who became Atyrau after Kazakhstan gained independence, in 1640, Semipalatinsk in 1718, Pavlodar in 1720, Petropavlovsk in 1752.

      The modern capital of Kazakhstan, Astana, was founded as the Cossack outpost Akmolinsk in 1830.
      1. Beck
        Beck 8 May 2013 18: 30
        +5
        Quote: ia-ai00
        Read the local Kazakh press, and you will understand that THIS is NOT TIPS.


        Hey, Scream of Ishak, what are you saying all around and streamlined? Who from Russia will come to read the local press? If you stutter, then provide excerpts from newspapers that the Russians and all the rest are not Kazakhs driven. And in state institutions what language should be? In the state institutions of Russia, what language should be? I agree there is, as elsewhere, the Natsik bureaucrats who are kicking out at their own site, but this is not an absolute majority. And then there was a time like this, 95% of Kazakhs learned Russian and are now bilingual. And you were probably born in Kazakhstan, but because of imperial arrogance, even the Kazakh word does not know. God forbid you will die of thirst, so you can’t even ask for water in Kazakh, a Kazakhstani mother will have a hippopotamus. Down below is a real Kazakhstani Andrei KZ, he may also not know the Kazakh language, but he does not harass the Earth on which he has to live by fate. What city renaming are you talking about? The fact that the local Natsik tear the throat, so who listens to them. What was historically renamed. And that is historically necessary. Pavlov Dar, Stone Mountain Estuary, Seven Chambers is not going to be renamed, since this is not only Russian history, but also the history of Kazakhstan. Seven Chambers, a place where there were 7 dilapidated Buddhist temples. And in this place the governor Vasily Cheredov laid the future city in 1718. And Astana was founded on the site of the former Tselinograd. And Tselinograd on the site of Akmolinsk. And Akmolinsk on the site of the settlement of Ak-Mola (White Graves). Here's another reason to make fun of graves. And this is just a mentality. Our graves are sacred. And we do not have fairy tales about the fact that all sorts of ghouls can climb out of the graves, since the revered ancestors lie in the graves.

        That's when people like Andrey KZ leave, it’s sad and sad, but what can you do about the call of the Motherland. And people like you are not sorry. Ride and shout in Russia on the ass, their own abominations. Shouting at Ishachi is the only thing you learned while living in Kazakhstan.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 May 2013 19: 08
          +3
          Beck (3) KZ
          - SPLASH POISON! I am people and the Kazakh Land and I don’t hay! I Hayu Natsiks like you! And your snickering elita, bribery, feeling like gods! And people like you, with the flag of Kazakhstan, but no one knows where, from what country "barking"! How are you a "patriot" and don't read the local press? In I-NET you can read ANY newspaper or magazine! And in Alma-Ata, during the Soviet era, the Kazakh language was "taught" in such a way that the urban Kazakhs who studied in those years know Kazakh themselves. And this is your teachers' fault, not ours. And people like you, as if I won't ask for WATER! I have enough NORMAL friends and acquaintances of Kazakhs, from whose hands it will not be pleasant for me, and not disgusting, as from your hands, to take WATER! Read the comments, and you will find links to publications, you are our short-sighted ...
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 8 May 2013 19: 10
            +2
            The typo came out:
            And in Alma-Ata, during the Soviet era, the Kazakh language was so "taught" that the urban Kazakhs who studied in those years themselves NOT know Kazakh.
            1. igor67
              igor67 8 May 2013 19: 18
              +5
              Quote: ia-ai00
              The typo came out:
              And in Alma-Ata, during the Soviet era, the Kazakh language was so "taught" that the urban Kazakhs who studied in those years themselves NOT know Kazakh.

              It was exactly at 85 that she was Kazakh, familiar with Alma Ata Gulya, but did not know Kazakh
              1. Beck
                Beck 8 May 2013 20: 02
                +4
                Quote: igor67
                It was exactly at 85 that she was Kazakh, familiar with Alma Ata Gulya, but did not know Kazakh


                Hi!

                So that's the problem. And so that there weren’t those who don’t know their language and the current policy is directed. Because with the tongue the people die. Here's how to imagine that Russian in Moscow does not know Russian. Here's how to imagine that you Slav living in Israel will not know the Hebrew language. This is nonsense. And this happened to us. And those who do not even know the language of the country of residence in two words, but find fault with the local, how to understand? And officials, bends and excesses of power, so tell me in which country this is not? In which country is there no thief? In which country are there no Natsik? But on their basis to make a judgment on the people is unacceptable.

                Vaughn Andrei KZ lives in a region where self-discipline is most developed. And nothing lives. Although there are most Natsik, but not all.
                1. ia-ai00
                  ia-ai00 8 May 2013 21: 24
                  +4
                  Why compare with Israel or any other country. who always lived apart. We had a ONE country called the USSR with a single state language, which was "spoken" not only by poetry and prose, but also by all SNiPs, GOSTs, OSTs, medicine and science. Any Kazakh technician at the enterprise, having taken GOST or SNiP, published in 2 languages, opens the necessary topic not in Kazakh, but in Russian, even if he knows his language perfectly, because The Kazakh language, with all due respect to it, is not able to give a clear concept of the problem, because, well, the Kazakh language does not have the required number of words, so that after reading, a person correctly understands what they want from him. And let's say in the energy sector, "misunderstandings" can lead to an accident! If we came here as immigrants or refugees, then you would be right, and so, excuse me ... I was born here, and if they taught mathematics WELL, I know it, and the Kazakh language is now, and Russians and even Kazakhs are forced to hire tutors, because Children have to pass the exam, and the level of teaching Kazakh is still not up to par!
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 8 May 2013 22: 04
                    0
                    Quote: ia-ai00
                    but also all SNiPs, GOSTs, OSTs, medicine and science. Any Kazakh techie at the enterprise, taking GOST or SNiP, published in 2 languages, opens the desired topic not in the Kazakh language, but in Russian, even if he knows his language perfectly, because the Kazakh language, with all due respect to it, is not able to give a clear concept of the problem, because, well, there is not the right number of words in the Kazakh language to read, a person correctly understood what they want from him.


                    That's what the state’s policy is aimed at so that SNiPs, GOSTs, OSTs are read in Kazakh. For 70 years, the Kazakh language has not developed, and therefore there is no modern concept in its dictionary. This is what the state wants to eliminate. And not that all the plates hang. And that we are a special nation in which there are no dureloms. Yes, they stir up the need. But we must distinguish between a fool and natural necessity.
                    1. Klim
                      Klim 9 May 2013 00: 57
                      +1
                      Most likely, you either don’t understand or stubborn and write about infringing 70 years of the Kazakh language but don’t think that if there weren’t such a country for 70 years? publication of books and education of the population, but I know the names of people from the Ural Cossack army who built the first Russian-Kyrgyz school, but now these people are brought to the oppressors of the Kazakh people in history textbooks. Well, if you need to speak, you need to tell the truth that the formation of the Kazakh language and Its scientific study became thanks to the Soviet government. How many learned Kazakhs were there before the Soviet government? And in general, I see you can see you studied from a textbook written after the collapse of the USSR.
                      1. Beck
                        Beck 9 May 2013 02: 20
                        +4
                        Quote: Klim
                        And in general, I see you are visible studied by a textbook written after the collapse of the USSR.


                        And who says that the revolutions were scientists. If the Kazakh language developed without obstacles, then there would be now no urban Kazakhs who do not know their language. Soviet power has given a lot. But without her they would not have died. They would live in Mongolia. Of course it’s bad, but they would not die. What are the names of the people who built the school and quote where these people are offended. Otherwise, you are a liar and provoke even greater discord. Schools by the tsarist government were created not so much to raise the level of the whole people. And more in order for the tsarist administration to create managers of small and middle managers who know the local language and customs. And in general, did you write anything here, did I say something like that?

                        And you see poorly. I’ll buy glasses for your retirement, the address is out.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 8 May 2013 21: 06
                +3
                Quote: igor67
                It was exactly at 85 that she was Kazakh, familiar with Alma Ata Gulya, but did not know Kazakh

                I had the same neighbor !!
                Parents spoke Russian with him from birth to make it easier at school !! This guy learned his native language in the army!
                Since our city was multinational, everyone in the courtyard almost spoke Russian and there were many guys who did not study in a Russian school who spoke excellent Russian !!
                While studying at the Azerbaijan school, many lost the prospect of advancement in later life!
                Therefore, in principle, the Russians were not interested in the languages ​​of the peoples in whose territories they lived!
                The most interesting thing now is 90 percent of Russians know the Azerbaijani language perfectly !!
            2. Ivan.
              Ivan. 8 May 2013 19: 58
              0
              About a couple of minutes the text can be adjusted - as long as there is a button to change (or delete)
              Today, 19: 08-Today, 19:10
              I am learning by trial and error, and have not found a complete "VO user manual" anywhere.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 8 May 2013 21: 01
            +1
            Quote: ia-ai00
            And this is the fault of your teachers, not ours.
            No, yours!
            You didn’t want to learn the language, your parents complained that the child’s language wasn’t given!
            I remember very well those who wanted to learn the language they taught !!
            Many were lazy, took off !!
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        3. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 9 May 2013 19: 38
          +4
          That's when people like Andrey KZ leave !!! !!! Beck, but I won’t leave anywhere, Kazakhstan, whatever you say, my Motherland.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 9 May 2013 21: 58
            +4
            Quote: Andrew KZ
            That's when people like Andrey KZ leave !!! !!! Beck, but I won’t leave anywhere, Kazakhstan, whatever you say, my Motherland.

            Homeland may be ugly but still Homeland. Hold plus land from me.
          2. Beck
            Beck 10 May 2013 12: 46
            +4
            Quote: Andrey KZ
            Beck, but I won’t leave anywhere, Kazakhstan, whatever you say, my Motherland.


            And good to you. Together we will live, make good, establish a better life. Both we and our children. My wife is a cross between a Kazakh and a Ukrainian.

            In general, in our family circle (siblings and cousins) the blood of Russians, Ukrainians, Kalmyks, Uyghurs, Ossetians, Poles mixed with Kazakh blood. And we are all KAZAKHSTAN.
      2. chaban13
        chaban13 8 May 2013 21: 51
        0
        If we are talking about foreigners. Gas deposits are developed for some reason by American and European experts. You will not find a single Gazprom man. What kind of cooperation and integration can we talk about?
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 9 May 2013 22: 00
          +1
          Well, because of the "tenders", whoever pays MORE on the "PAW" will "develop" ... And somehow, recently, Kazakhstan is increasingly turning to Russia in the wrong "place"!
  3. Shveik
    Shveik 8 May 2013 16: 12
    +5
    There is no friendship between the peoples and will never appear again; (And what will the Kazakh visitors of the site say?
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 8 May 2013 16: 21
      15
      And Kazakh visitors to the site, read this custom-made, provocative little article, spit on the monitor, and go peacefully and amicably to prepare for the celebration of Victory Day! All have a great holiday!
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 8 May 2013 16: 34
        +8
        I’ll support you both. Shveik, but there’s also such a moment. When, for example, the World Hockey Championship is taking place, at least in a different view, the Kazakhs support Russia, it’s a fact
        Andrei is really honoring veterans and the memory of the Second World War in Kazakhstan. Even close there are no moods similar to Lviv
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 May 2013 17: 56
          +5
          I agree that in everyday life, at work, in medical institutions, etc. I do not observe a NEGATIVE attitude towards RUSSIANS or other peoples within Kazakhstan. People are friendly, helpful, ready to help. Strangers address us: - "brother, sister". All my life I live and work side by side with Kazakhs, everything is fine! But what those in power are doing is alarming.
      2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 8 May 2013 19: 30
        -3
        But I’m thinking about who to spit on you or your neighbors who once managed to escape from Kazakhstan, such things were told about everyday nationalism, hair on end, so I’ll probably choose you, I want to wipe myself well .....
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 May 2013 22: 13
          +3
          You know, even though you "shit" me too, but I will not get angry. a big city and a small one make a big difference. In a big city, people have more opportunities, less envy. Due to the specifics of my work, all my life I travel to energy companies throughout Kazakhstan. Communicating with people I can say that I have been told examples of "squeezing out" Russians. This is mainly in the southern and western regions of Kazakhstan. Especially in the Mangystau region, where the so-called Adays live. But they not only "squeeze out" the Russian-speaking, they do not tolerate Kazakhs, not Adays, near them.
          Well, such stories as in Kyrgyzstan, from which hair will really stand on end, in Kazakhstan I personally have not heard.
    2. itkul
      itkul 8 May 2013 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Shveik
      There is no friendship between the peoples and will never appear again; (And what will the Kazakh visitors of the site say?


      So they need to think ten times before saying something. Even here on the website, the Kazakh Natsiks are not shy about telling them that if you write bad things about Kazakhstan, then get out of here
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 9 May 2013 00: 22
        +4
        Quote: itkul
        Even here on the site,Kazakh Natsik are not shy tell them that if you write bad things about Kazakhstan,then get out to your Russia hence

        Huh repeat And why?! Oh, dear, you do not cause indignation and righteous anger statements, some of your colleagues ?!
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Suitcase, station, to the hut

        Even here, to the comments on this article, as the saying goes "on the spot"
        You can read:
        Krasnoyarets (1) Quote:
        let the chuchmeks fall to their home ... monkeys ..

        Quote: Thorn
        You breach better than my dog Dog

        Quote: T-100
        they are neither friends nor brothers to us, but rats to be poisoned)))

        And, did you even pull them for their insults and frankly Nazi statements ?? !!
        I understand that the "white masters" are allowed ?! request
        Quote: itkul
        Kazakh Natsik are not shy

        Do not confuse the terms .. And if shamelessly "throw mud" on my country, my homeland, do you think I should be silent? negative
  4. Hleb
    Hleb 8 May 2013 16: 17
    +6
    I always defended Kazakhstan and said that there was respect for the Russians there. but after an extreme trip the opinion changed. yes, in the villages people grew up together and there are no hints of a negative attitude towards Russians. for now .. yes and what to share when poverty often flourishes (this is not a picture for you to watch in Astana) but, I noticed that in the district center in the regional police department, hospital, administration, etc. generation has changed. people of Soviet upbringing have gone and modern youth have replaced them. I clearly saw a dismissive attitude towards Russians, in some cases hatred (I must say that there are times when honest Kazakhs are not favored)
    all! all the acquaintances. who met, said that we need to go to Russia. where they do not see a normal future for their children. It is not known who will lead Kazakhstan in the future ...
    (Yes, and such an incident occurred. Crossed the border on a high-speed train. Kazakh customs officers found a bag with Anasha. I don’t know how, there were no dogs, they didn’t shmonal. In short, the guy who drove (the Slav) opened the window (the sash opens up) on the go and right under the carriage. cutlet ... here is the plot)
  5. avt
    avt 8 May 2013 16: 18
    +6
    “Taking an active part in migration and demographic policy, I have always opposed the Concept of the Return of Compatriots. The very discussion of the usefulness or risks of the exodus of Russians and Russian-speakers from anywhere means that the Russian state fixes for itself the senselessness and impossibility of building a new Big State - the Eurasian Union. I am categorically against such defeatism and for the Big State. "------- It is because of such, if I may say" politicians ", our people become bargaining chips in political games. And Russia, artificially holding back the influx of Russians, is filled with a line by whom, it is these people that create interethnic tension in the country. negative Yes, the dough is raised on the sale of citizenship.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 8 May 2013 16: 25
      +3
      I agree, and in general it is necessary to raise the prestige of schools there (to help them) where they study Russian, where education would be better, etc. etc., then it will be different. In short, you need to increase your cultural presence! hi
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 8 May 2013 17: 02
        +2
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        I agree, and in general it is necessary to raise the prestige of schools there (to help them) where they study Russian, where education would be better, etc. etc., then it will be different. In short, you need to increase your cultural presence!

        This is correct, but for what means? The question is now raised a little different. Allegedly, what bad neighbors we have and we don’t need to be friends with them, it’s better to go to gays in Europe.
        Personally, I advocate the return of Russians to their homeland from disadvantaged regions. If people there suffer and cannot find themselves, then let them seek their happiness among their own, and at the same time improve the demography of Russia and its ethnic composition. For the existence of the Great Russian World, it is not necessary and even mistaken to smear the Russian people over the "wild lands". There must be a tough and powerful CORE of Russian civilization in the form of Russia. We have places like in a hymn, for dreams and for life there is plenty of room. And to represent our interests, you can use business models, which is much less costly and efficient. If necessary, you can have employees in power, and closing the gap with ordinary people who have suffered so much is not Russian, not human.
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 8 May 2013 16: 20
    +2
    The Russians have two ways: either to reconcile themselves to the humiliations of you and compatriots and to live a second-class citizen (or non-citizen!), But a little well-fed; or leave again nowhere!
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 8 May 2013 16: 37
      +8
      Instead of olympiads, skolkova and other sawing projects, it would be necessary to ensure the resettlement of all those wishing to leave the Slavic Turkestans to Russia.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 8 May 2013 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: zart_arn
        Instead of olympiads, skolkova and other sawing projects, it would be necessary to ensure the resettlement of all those wishing to leave the Slavic Turkestans to Russia.

        Totally agree!
      2. PValery53
        PValery53 8 May 2013 18: 51
        +1
        Effectively said! I agree!
    2. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 8 May 2013 16: 45
      +7
      I will not speak for all the CIS countries, but in Kazakhstan no one humiliates Russians (or is it because I am Ukrainian?). I personally have a house in Chimkent, 2 cars, children in a prestigious school, a small business. friends and relatives, everything is fine. No one is going to move. And, yes, my father was "humiliated", he did not want to issue a disability pension, does not recognize himself as a disabled person, and his friend, a Kazakh, almost forcibly issued his pension, and took all the paperwork on himself. Here is such a humiliation.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 8 May 2013 19: 34
        0
        I agree, there is one example, we are waiting for mass examples ...
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 8 May 2013 23: 05
          +5
          Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
          I agree, there is one example, we are waiting for mass examples ...

          Last year, the Russian grandfather was buried, non-Russian neighbors took off, a year later relatives appeared, it turned out that brother and nephews lived in the same city. My grandfather was ill for a long time; for three years, neighbors looked after him and relatives did not appear. and then what to say that all Russian radishes? You need to know the language of the state if you want to live in this state at least at the level of give, bring, carry away, and all Russians and Kazakhs who do not know the language go through it. As long as there is a soft push to learn the language, and in response not contentment and desire hidden behind complaints of bad textbooks or bad teachers. Although they hire tutors for children studying English or German, which their children may not be useful and Kazakh is supposedly ignored, although they live in Kazakhstan, I think they don’t connect their lives with this state or hope that everything will change in the future and Kazakh will be driven back to the backyard. Does this require knowledge of Gastrik from temporarily moving workers, and those permanently living in Kazakhstan do not want to know Kazakh is nationalism? I understand that during the union it was not necessary to know Kazakh, but really in 20 years there was no desire or understanding that they needed to know the language themselves so that they would not later complain about harassment according to the language principle. And another observation on the bus that Russian guy shaved off Kazakh supposedly the defender of the Kazakhs, that the whole bus began to laugh at him and he urgently evacuated from the bus. And of course, I feel sorry for people who, for one reason or another, are leaving Kazakhstan.
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 8 May 2013 17: 07
      +3
      Quote: treskoed
      The Russians have two ways: either to reconcile themselves to the humiliations of you and compatriots and to live a second-class citizen (or non-citizen!), But a little well-fed; or leave again nowhere!

      Well, people who do not know Russian may think so. And those who know, know that closing the Russians into some kind of useless exercise.
      What you wrote has more to do not with the CU or the whole of Central Asia, but more like the Baltic countries. However, even there, Russian bases of any help from the side of the Russian Federation organize themselves and begin to assert their rights. This is very difficult to do. When the authorities and foundations and the media are against you and the Russians do not give up and achieve victory.
      1. smile
        smile 8 May 2013 18: 13
        -2
        Gluxar
        With respect to the Baltic states, you are absolutely not right ... on the contrary, massive pressure is bearing fruit - more and more Russians are becoming titular, embarrassed by Russia, children who are brought up in educational institutions after the collapse understand what programs have a terrible mess in my head, not the idea of ​​Russia, and of the Soviet era ....... the Russians are completely divided (in which they are very much helped by the local relevant services - well, they can be understood, this is their work) and did not achieve anything ... nothing at all! !! A number of high-profile actions besides a reminder that the Russians were discriminated against ended in zeal ... albeit loud .... so that they simply will not be allowed to defend at least something there, including at the legislative level ... Thus, the program assimilation works very successfully ... So, excuse me, take off your pink glasses and look the truth in the Baltics - there are no victories in the Baltic States ... there were no serious defeats ... and, at such a pace, there won’t be , another generation - and that’s it ...
  7. gregor6549
    gregor6549 8 May 2013 16: 27
    +5
    The fact that Russia actually abandoned the Russians by the will of fate, including the will of Russia itself, who ended up in other republics of the former Soviet Union cannot be called anything other than treason. And thousands of people turned out to be unnecessary neither for those republics nor for Russia. The exception, perhaps, is Belarus and the eastern regions of Ukraine. By the way, in Belarus, too, with this issue, not everything went smoothly until Father Lukashenko came to power. And the saddest thing is that the jobs and housing that could be occupied by these Russians in Russia turned out to be occupied by anyone, but not by Russians. And these, "anyone", have already created so many problems that no one knows how to solve them. Meanwhile, the problems only multiply
    1. krest.ros
      krest.ros 8 May 2013 17: 20
      +3
      Sorry, it was not Russia that refused the Russians, but its corrupt non-Russian leadership. Russia has never betrayed anyone. By definition, She is the patroness of Russian and non-Russian friendly peoples. The leader of Russia must understand this and fulfill the mission entrusted to him. And the rest I agree with your statements.
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 8 May 2013 19: 03
        0
        The sins of the former leadership of Russia do not remove responsibility from the leadership of the present. And the current leadership had enough time and money in half to correct this emergency situation in a fire order by emergency measures. And not only to export those who wish to Russia, but also to provide them with employment, housing, etc. It is clear that in Moscow you will not accommodate everyone and you will not be employed. But not only Moscow is rich in Russia. So if it were to replace the talking room with business, then everything could be solved without any special problems. There would be a desire to solve them. In the meantime, there is mainly a desire for officials responsible for the problem to fill their pockets at the expense of slave labor of disenfranchised migrants of any kind, but not of Russian nationality.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 8 May 2013 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: gregor6549
      The fact that Russia actually abandoned the Russians by the will of fate, including the will of Russia itself, who found themselves in other republics of the former Union, cannot be called betrayal otherwise. And thousands of people turned out to be neither needed by those republics nor Russia.

      Actually or legally what happened happened. Moreover, one needs to understand the aspirations of the people and their morality. After all, anywhere in the world there is no such thing as helping compatriots from the state. Equity fundraising for Jews is actually an unfunded subsidy to the Israeli military.
      And in the world there are few examples of such disasters as the collapse of the USSR. At the time of the collapse, everyone was in the business and there were nowhere to add extra teachers or engineers in Russia, like everyone else. A planned economy implied a balance of workers and jobs.
    3. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 8 May 2013 22: 36
      +2
      Quote: gregor6549
      The fact that Russia actually abandoned the Russians by the will of fate, including the will of Russia itself, who ended up in other republics of the former Soviet Union cannot be called anything other than treason. And thousands of people turned out to be unnecessary neither for those republics nor for Russia. The exception, perhaps, is Belarus and the eastern regions of Ukraine. By the way, in Belarus, too, with this issue, not everything went smoothly until Father Lukashenko came to power. And the saddest thing is that the jobs and housing that could be occupied by these Russians in Russia turned out to be occupied by anyone, but not by Russians. And these, "anyone", have already created so many problems that no one knows how to solve them. Meanwhile, the problems only multiply


      GOD! what verbal diarrhea is pouring here!
      And these people have higher education, consider themselves cultural, educated, etc.

      What courage you need, what strength to lead in this ....

      I wonder who is this GOD who must do everything?

      Do it! You did not want socialism!

      Our ancestors defeated fascism! Stop whining! It's a shame already!
      Happy Victory Day! drinks
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 8 May 2013 16: 27
    11
    He himself left Kyrgyzstan (now Kyrgyzstan) in 2001. Even then they looked askance at the Russians, and those who were especially zealous did not consider them people at all. There were, of course, adequate people, mostly Kazakhs, with the Kirghiz somehow not very - their "BAY complex" is strong.
    So I wish those who have not left successfully to leave for Russia in the near future, no rise is expected in the former Asian republics of a large country in the coming years.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 8 May 2013 19: 20
      0
      Well, actually, in general, I would not put an equal sign between Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. In my opinion, among the Kazakhs "stars" are mainly those with Bai roots, and among the Kyrgyz, arrogance is observed in ordinary people.
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 8 May 2013 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      He left Kyrgyzstan (now Kyrgyzstan) in 2001. Even then, they looked at the Russians askew, but they did not consider them particularly zealous for people.


    3. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 8 May 2013 21: 44
      +3

      I personally with both hands for such migrants:




      Immigrants from Kyrgyzstan - 18 Semirechensk Cossacks, including two preschool children, arrived in April in the village of Sengileevskoye in the Stavropol Territory for permanent residence. This was reported by GTRK Stavropol on the eve of the press service of the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation in the region.

      To reduce the time of their registration with the migration registration and to help the Cossacks in the further paperwork, the department organized the reception of the first migrants from Kyrgyzstan directly in Sengileevsky.

      Arrivals were presented with documents confirming their migration status, the press service said.

      The head of the Shpakovsky department of the FMS of Russia explained to them the procedure and terms for obtaining a residence permit.

      The building of the former school will become housing for the first settlers, the press service noted.

      On the territory of the Shpakovsky district, only the first Cossacks of the Seven Rivers are settled on a pilot basis. In the future, during resettlement, priority will be given to the eastern regions of Stavropol.

      The FMS Department of the Stavropol Territory, together with the representative office of the FMS of the Russian Federation in Bishkek, forecast the relocation of about two thousand people from Kyrgyzstan. Another part of the Cossacks-Semirechants will arrive in the Stavropol region from Kazakhstan.


      http://www.stavropolye.tv/ce/view/56739
  9. Humpty
    Humpty 8 May 2013 16: 31
    +3
    Becoming a bai is an Asian's dream. With regards to the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs, I think that they still cannot come to their senses from the "happiness" that they grabbed something that they never owned. By the way, the concept of "owning" is not included in their lexicon, it is too difficult to understand. That is why their scientific professors-academicians think big.
    As they were the masters of half the world, they settled both Americas and how all the peoples of the world descended from them.
    Moving to a smaller scale in Bishkek, the "indigenous" resident, that is, who came running here after 1989 when the Kyrgyz leaders began to bend the line of outright Nazism, cannot imagine, for example, a large lake Balkhash nearby in Kazakhstan or something like a rural pond. Or where exactly begins the longest river in Central Asia - the Syrdarya. From that, it changes its name from source to mouth at least five times. Somehow, it didn't work out to collect this.
    Under the kings, under the communists, this land was needed. But the Democrats seem like the North has become a burden.
  10. erased
    erased 8 May 2013 16: 46
    +2
    In the former USSR, only in the Russian Federation and Belarus can Russians live without fear of pogroms and raids by local people. However, there is no quiet good life here. But it's still better. than Asian obscurantism. They understand only power. And soon they will feel it on their neck.
  11. pavlo007
    pavlo007 8 May 2013 16: 53
    +4
    I remember how I was amicably minus when I talked about bullying and humiliation of Russians by Kazakh "brothers" ...
    Everyone shouted "lies", "lies" ...
    1. smile
      smile 8 May 2013 18: 18
      0
      pavlo007
      And now they blame - partly, it’s clear who, partly those Russians who are not happy there, fortunately, some Russians because you don’t incite ethnic hatred here ... damn, as if they didn’t understand . that the policy of closing eyes on the tricks of some of the titulars will lead to a short-term effect, and then ... as was the case under the Soviet regime with its distortions in national politics in favor of minorities ....
      1. smile
        smile 9 May 2013 00: 37
        -1
        I am surprised that so few people are against .... damn it, men, it’s simply burned up .... in my life I have never quarreled with any person of non-Russian nationality .... I always said the same thing, how here ... it’s clear that non-verbal communication drastically reduces the room for maneuver .... but still ... I’ve talked to comrades who said that everything was normal in their republics by the Russians, exactly the same as here .... I didn’t quarrel with anyone .... perhaps because they understood that I did not want to offend them, perhaps because I didn’t lie (I’m embarrassed to describe some points here ... in the conversation I spread the facts ) ... and so, I believe that the official words will be the litmus test of the desire to cooperate normally -WE WILL NOT BE MUCH MORE .... otherwise they will ... in a new round of history ... how they will press ... will ... and they know about it ... and if we close our eyes once again, please the friendship of peoples and gather the fraternity, we will end up with the same thing ..... because I am to those guys who consider stat with a provocation (perhaps it is, but not the fact that it is an unreasonable provocation) I advise you to analyze national politics during the Soviet era ... there were also jambs of the titular ones ... attention was focused on bad tsarism ... Russian national instincts suppressed .. ... how did it end? Does everyone remember? The men of Kazakhstan, if there are complaints, let's talk ... we won’t swear ... ... I haven’t seen ANY representative of the former Soviet republic who would admit. that the Russians would be discriminated against ... not that they were killed and robbed ... apparently, it’s important ... from you! let's talk, huh? Only tomorrow ... I would really like that ....
  12. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 8 May 2013 16: 56
    -2
    Kazakhstan has too much territory and few population. They will understand that in vain they offended the Russians only when some Mongols, Tatars, and now, the Chinese, walk through them again. They do not understand. that we must confront the Chinese threat together. do not get out alone.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 8 May 2013 17: 07
      +5
      Kazakhs just understand that it is necessary to confront all threats together and move to the future together. I recall Nazarbayev’s CU and EU initiative. But only to some, I know to whom, this union is like a bone across the throat, hence this article.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 8 May 2013 17: 34
        +9
        Here on the website, another initiative of Nazarbayev was shown to me:

        We live in the homeland of the whole Turkic people, - the president of Kazakhstan broadcasted in Istanbul. - After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, in 1991 we proclaimed our independence. Your ancestors, leaving their historical homeland, from the Turkic Kaganate, took the name of the Turkic people with them. Until now, the Turks call the best Dzhigits "Kazakh". Here we are these Kazakhs
        is this a bone for whom?
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 8 May 2013 17: 40
          0
          Gleb, can I get the link? I’ve never heard Nazarbayev call Kazakhstan a colony. hi
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 8 May 2013 17: 52
            +1
            the link that they gave was blocked there, but it’s not difficult to find. I also doubted it, but checked it and he really said it. We discussed here
            http://topwar.ru/24648-na-okkupaciyu-latvii-sssr-vzglyanuli-po-novomu.html#comme

            nt-id-946688

            well, in short everything is checked there
            http://www.km.ru/economics/2012/10/15/organizatsiya-tamozhennogo-soyuza/694882-n
            azarbaev-mozhet-promenyat-tamozhennyi
          2. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 8 May 2013 18: 46
            -2
            http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1350219540
            - here is the link for you! - here is the link for you!
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 23 May 2013 01: 15
              0
              If you had bothered to read the history of the Kazakh SSR back in Soviet times, you would have known that until 1991, Soviet historiography, edited in Moscow, openly called for the policy of tsarist Russia in Turkestan - colonial and exploitative.
              So Nazarbayev said what Soviet Russian historians wrote in official textbooks on the history of the Kazakh SSR, Uzbek SSR, TurkSSR, KirSSR, TajSSR.
              And in general, tsarism itself calmly and frankly used the concepts of "colony", "natives", "colonization" and so on in the address of Turkestan before 1917. That's all.
  13. darksoul
    darksoul 8 May 2013 17: 09
    +5
    The union fell apart .. Russia as a result of those who were freed, the occupants, villains shout in more than one voice, we learn from mistakes ... it would be nice .... the next time the war comes, let them drown in blood. ..not substituting our soldier for bullets ... that after the war with Germany they became invaders .... that with the same Georgia ... Ivan the Terrible didn’t have to take Georgians under the wing ... so that now we would not be invaders, gangsters .... Russia is a self-sufficient state, resources, people, territories .. there is everything you want ... we would like a government, not a gang of thieves and we do not need anyone
  14. Circle
    Circle 8 May 2013 17: 15
    +3
    Yes, everything is in order in Kazakhstan. Tomorrow the whole country - as an example - is preparing to solemnly celebrate Victory Day, to honor veterans. http://www.zakon.kz/kazakhstan/4555676-v-den-pobedy-chetvert-kazakhstancev.html Compare with the situation in other former union republics.
    Who is really interested, read the note and comments about the celebration of Easter http://www.zakon.kz/top_news/4555377-n.-nazarbaev-v-uspenskom-sobore.html And do not believe the provocateurs. I hope that in the future there will be no changes for the worse. And with the strengthening and development of the vehicle, the situation will only improve.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 9 May 2013 04: 02
      +6
      Quote: Circle
      Yes, everything is in order in Kazakhstan. Tomorrow the whole country - as an example - is preparing to solemnly celebrate Victory Day, to honor veterans.
      Who is really interested read the note and comments about the celebration of Easter

      And here is the video: - "Nursultan Nazarbayev congratulated all Kazakhstanis on Easter"
  15. Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 8 May 2013 17: 17
    +5
    Now I’m writing my tenth comment to put my BOLD minus in the article wink
  16. pavlo007
    pavlo007 8 May 2013 17: 21
    0
    Quote: Andrew KZ
    Now I’m writing my tenth comment to put my BOLD minus in the article wink

    Are there any arguments? Or do you like Dr. Goebels?
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 8 May 2013 17: 34
      +5
      I described my arguments above. Believe me, I live in the South Kazakhstan region, an area about which there is not a single opinion in Kazakhstan itself, and I learn about the "genocide" of Russian Kazakhs from such articles, if I may say so.
      1. Max Russian
        Max Russian 8 May 2013 19: 13
        +4
        There is no Russian-speaking genocide in Kazakhstan, I agree. Pensions are paid to all, regardless of nationality. Holidays are celebrated and Orthodox. But this was actually said by the distinguished President of the Republic of Kazakhstan http://www.stoletie.ru/geopolitika/panturkizm_protiv_jevrazijskogo_sojuza_793.ht
        m
        http://argumentua.com/novosti/vernyi-drug-putina-nazarbaev-zagovoril-o-sozdanii-
        edinogo-tyurkskogo-gosudarstva
        It is alarming. And so many are leaving, and many more will be leaving.
        1. Beck
          Beck 8 May 2013 20: 16
          +5
          Quote: Max Russian
          There is no Russian-speaking genocide in Kazakhstan, I agree. Pensions are paid to all, regardless of nationality. Holidays are celebrated and Orthodox. But this was actually said by the distinguished President of the Republic of Kazakhstan


          And what did President Nazarbayev say should the revenge on the colonialists? He said that Kazakhstan was a colony of the Russian Empire. What's up with that? What is alarming? If the president of India says that India was a colony of Great Britain until the middle of the 20th century, then England does not stand on its hind legs. If in Russia they say that Russia was in the yoke for 300 years, the steppe does not stand on its hind legs. What was, was. Our region went through the same stages of socio-political development as the whole world.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 8 May 2013 20: 27
            0
            So let slip. Colonial politics is a hidden slavery coming out. The Russian Empire was a slave-owning country and the Russian people exploited the Kazakhs.
            Compare Small Britain with the Russian Empires!
            And what did President Nazarbayev say should the revenge on the colonialists?

            Well, even so.
            Small Britain and the USA are still colonialists (of an improved type) and colonies are struggling with them and will fight and we are fighting not to become one!
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 8 May 2013 23: 19
              +2
              [quote = Ivan.] So let slip. Colonial politics is a hidden slavery coming out. The Russian Empire was a slave-owning country and the Russian people exploited the Kazakhs.
              One part of the Russians was enslaved by another, and it was called serfdom. Goodbye, Russia, not washed, a country of slaves, a country of lords (it seems Lermontov)
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. 8 May 2013 23: 54
                0
                One part of the Russians was enslaved by another, and it was called serfdom. Goodbye, Russia, not washed, a country of slaves, a country of lords (it seems Lermontov)

                And what is it for? Other nations did not have an imperious ruling elite? The Russian landowners did not belong to other peoples. Everyone had slavery in one form or another. And I recommend Lermontov to read more.
            2. Beck
              Beck 9 May 2013 02: 33
              +5
              Quote: Ivan.
              So let slip. Colonial politics is a hidden slavery coming out. The Russian Empire was a slave-owning country and the Russian people exploited the Kazakhs.


              And what took up the discussion, if you do not know the basics? What slavery and colonialism in one pile raked. Slavery and colonialism are two different eras, separated by centuries.

              Quote: Ivan.
              Compare Small Britain with the Russian Empires!


              You have greatness pouring from your ears. The most powerful colonial power was Great Britain, not Russia. In its heyday, 1/3 of the globe was in the possession of England.

              The USA has never been a colonial power. These are fictions of Urashniki, like you. And Uroshniki are burning not because the USSR collapsed as a state, but because the empire that warmed your souls fell. Your dreams are that once again the former republics enter Russia as regions and provinces. So those days ended.
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. 9 May 2013 03: 22
                +1
                You can contact me only with respect, if without you, it is indicated in the profile.
                [quote] Slavery and colonialism are two different eras, separated by centuries. [/ Quote]
                Slavery has many types and forms, one of them is colonialism.

                [quote] The most powerful colonial power was Great Britain, not Russia. In its heyday, 1/3 of the globe was in the possession of England. / Quote]

                [quote] Compare Small Britain with the Russian Empires! [/ quote]

                I pointed out that they cannot be compared as well as an SS man with a policeman - a different approach, different tasks, in domestic and foreign policy nothing in common, only the names they were given the same "empire".
                [quote] The United States has never been a colonial power [/ quote]
                She herself was a colony until about the end of the 19th century; since 1913, since the creation of the Fed, it has come under the complete control of banking houses close to the banking houses of England. Then a well-known scenario began to spin.

                [quote] Your dreams are that again the former republics enter Russia as regions and provinces. So those days ended. [/ Quote]
                I used to think that in these republics (Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltic states) they consider themselves to be one country with us. If this is not so, then I will be happy if a reliable wall grows between us.

                You answer your own questions and therefore there can be no talk of a diologist.
                This was the last answer, I won’t correspond with you anymore.
          2. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 10 May 2013 14: 35
            -1
            And that the Russians were Kazakhs in slavery? We compared England and Russia. As you know, England did not enter India into its country, but colonized it, and Kazakhstan ASKED under the protection of Russia, if you studied at school, you should know. And as part of Russia, all peoples have always been equal. Read more historical documents. And this is for you for "illiteracy":

            The English armed forces, consisting of local sepoy soldiers, conquered the Indian principalities one after another. The last in India, their punjab lost their freedom and independence, annexed to the territory of the East India Company in 1849. It took the British about a hundred years to take complete control of this huge country. For the first time in its history, India was deprived of state independence.

            The establishment of British rule over India sharply intensified the calamities of the masses. The sane English were aware of this. Here is what one of them wrote: “Alien invaders used violence and often great cruelty to the natives, but no one had ever treated them with such contempt like us.”

            In the 50s. XIX century widespread dissatisfaction with the British reigned in the country. It grew even more when rumors swept about the forthcoming forcible conversion of Hindus and Muslims to the Christian faith.

            In May 1857, the Sipay regiments rebelled. ... The last effort of feudal India to resist capitalist England ended in complete failure.
            By pacifying the rebellious country, the British shot a huge number of people. Many were tied to the vents of guns and torn to pieces. Roadside trees were turned into gallows. Villages were destroyed along with the inhabitants. The tragic events of 1857-1859 left an unhealed wound between India and England.

            Here so!
            1. Beck
              Beck 10 May 2013 16: 10
              0
              Quote: ia-ai00
              India, as you know, did not bring England into its own country, namely it colonized, and Kazakhstan ASKED for the protection of Russia, if you studied at school, you should know. And as part of Russia, all peoples were always equal


              There is not a single imperial colonial power in history that did not have bloody pages. This is an indispensable supplement to the metropolis. England has India. Spain has Incas, Aztecs, Mayans. France has Vietnam and Algeria. Russia has Poland, the Caucasus, Kazakhstan (during the liberation movement led by Khan Kenesary).

              Which country did not have power-hungry vanities. In Russia, False Dmitry, for the sake of power, brought Polish troops to Moscow. After the death of the last single khan of Kazakhstan, Tauke, as a result of feudal strife, the territory of Kazakhstan was divided into three zhuzes. The youngest zhuz, western, was ruled by Abulkhair Khan.

              He dreamed of becoming a single khan of all Kazakhstan. Abulkhair turned to Russia for support, intending to seize all power in the steppe with its help. For the betrayal, Abulkhair was killed by the independence supporter Sultan Barak.

              And Russia in no form needed a single khan of Kazakhstan. Russia needed new colonial lands. And after the death of Abulkhair, Moscow urgently issued a decree on the liquidation of the institution of khan power in the Younger Zhuz and the annexation of these lands to the Russian Empire.
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 8 May 2013 22: 42
          +4
          Quote: Max Russian
          It is alarming. And so many are leaving, and many more will be leaving.

          Well Duc if from all the Russian media there is information that Russians are "oppressed" in Kazakhstan .. And in Kazakhstan, most of us watch Russian channels, read
          Russian periodicals. It even came to the point that our national legislatures paid attention to this - that the majority read and look at the world from a Russian perspective.
          It's funny, but even our ESTRADA - singers, producers and other bohemians, is offended that Russian "stars" are invited to concerts, corporate parties and other entertainment events ...
          So here we have the same townsfolk having watched enough TV, after reading periodicals, where it is said about the "RUSSIAN GENOCIDE" begins to sincerely believe it .. Just like in Orwell's Animal Farm. Although they themselves live in Kazakhstan .. recourse As they say do not believe your eyes ..
          And, there are also "horror stories" about the Taliban .. So they succumb to panic moods: "Oh, what if ?!" ... They are reinsured in general ..
  17. litonator
    litonator 8 May 2013 17: 28
    0
    Asia in the post-Soviet space gradually falls into the feudal system, in which it actually was before the Revolution. It is impossible for a monkey to immediately give a Kalashnikov assault rifle, it must go through the stage with a digger stick ... otherwise there will be no success. Nationalism combined with the darkest orthodox Islam will make these countries look like Afghanistan. There is a lot of ambition, but in the end everyone drives donkeys and live in adobe houses ...
    1. Circle
      Circle 8 May 2013 17: 41
      +2

      And here, the largest such structure in the world, created by the famous architect Norman Foster, everything was built on a donkey traction.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 8 May 2013 17: 46
        +2
        they would have presented a table of driver’s fines as an example, the basis of which goes to the construction of Astana. And also villages and villages where poverty is shown
        1. Beck
          Beck 8 May 2013 20: 21
          +4
          Quote: Gleb
          they would have presented a table of driver’s fines as an example, the basis of which goes to the construction of Astana. And also villages and villages where poverty is shown


          In addition to the Baltic states, what are the CIS countries in which there are no poverty and ruined villages on the prefecture? What is Kazakhstan alone. What in Russia are autobahns suitable for every village? Everyone has it. And all slowly get out of the ruin.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 8 May 2013 17: 54
        0
        There is nothing good in it. Shopping and entertainment complexes are being built everywhere to form a new person - a consumer person.
        And the litonator hardly bothered to think before saying something, and this can be said about Russia away from the regional centers (everyone goes on donkeys and lives in mud houses).
      3. litonator
        litonator 8 May 2013 18: 23
        0
        The Turkish company was built by the project of an English architect! What is the utilitarian role? just have fun ... and that's it ... You can buy a combine and feed people bread, but you can have a beautiful maybach - the latter is more pleasant and you don’t need to work on it ...
  18. EDA2000
    EDA2000 8 May 2013 17: 29
    +4
    we must not restrain migration to our historical homeland, we must provide support and ensure demand.
  19. MAG
    MAG 8 May 2013 17: 39
    +6
    The Russians left Tajikistan (only the elderly remained) and the Tajiks turned into medieval slaves. The Russians were teachers, engineers, doctors, they died and it turned out to be such a failure that it makes no sense to connect this and other Central Asian countries to at least some kind of USSR. The older generation knows the Russian language, youth do not know and do not want to know, and this is the growing ismismism, where there is no education, religious darkness flourishes there. The exodus of Russians cannot be stopped, and no one is trying out of local bais
  20. KCC
    KCC 8 May 2013 17: 50
    +6
    I can’t judge the attitude towards Russians in Kazakhstan or another former Soviet Union Republic, because I have never been there and I don’t have any friends. But I think that those Russians and not only Russians but also other peoples who have historical roots in Russia should be able to move to Russia and live in it, we have enough space for them, since remaining in the national republics especially in those where there is a national they cannot receive protectionism, education, good work and any influence, as a result they simply assimilate. I consider the opinion that Russians living in the national republics to be able to contribute to the integration of states to be erroneous because Russian-speaking people do not solve these issues and, with the loss of educational potential, they simply represent a work force that no one will reckon with.
  21. bubla5
    bubla5 8 May 2013 18: 07
    +2
    Today, it is not the left-wing idea and the international that rules the ball, but sound calculation and economic considerations.

    Today, it’s just the loot that rules, not sober calculation, in all countries of the former union there is a robbery of natural and other resources, and where they are not there, they are forcing their population to extract currency in Russia, and at the same time dumping all their flaws on the same Russia, and Russians will be needed in extreme cases, blame all the blame on them
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 8 May 2013 18: 42
      -1
      Yes, everyone has a sound calculation, except for Russia - our leadership is building a policy according to some strange criteria, here is another example
      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1174166/
      What is the meaning of such events, who can explain?
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 19: 40
        -3
        Maybe the Kirghiz once again promised to remove the American military base from the country?
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 8 May 2013 19: 51
          -1
          Quote: ia-ai00
          Maybe the Kirghiz once again promised to remove the American military base from the country?

          Well, first of all, "to promise does not mean to marry." Such serious questions cannot be built on the basis of unspoken agreements.
          Secondly, the power in Asian countries is a priori illegitimate, and any official with whom we reach some agreements may be removed as a result of the next Asian "revolution" and all previously concluded agreements will automatically be invalidated, and the new government will tell another fairy tale about "Russian occupants".
          Third, what kind of politics is this? When an insignificant state, of a feudal type, twists the eggs of a superpower - "If you don’t forgive us a loan, we will not withdraw the American base!"
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 8 May 2013 20: 13
            +2
            By the way, it is not so easy to remove the American military base either - there is a high probability that a "bloody" regime will be discovered in the country, which will come to overthrow "peaceful" oppositionists in the form of mujahideen from neighboring Afghanistan.
  22. Warrawar
    Warrawar 8 May 2013 18: 46
    0
    Just do not talk about how they "allow" us to keep military bases there - NATO bases there are located next to ours, and on more favorable terms ...
  23. Canep
    Canep 8 May 2013 18: 51
    +4
    I live Russian in Kazakhstan in Ekibastuz, and the author of the article, in my opinion, has never crossed the MKAD border. He knows about Kazakhstan .... but he doesn’t know what.
    First, the Kazakh authorities voiced new claims against Baikonur, then President Nazarbayev announced the translation of the Kazakh language into Latin (until the advent of the Cyrillic alphabet, Kazakhs did not have any written language or statehood - ed.)

    In the 20s and 30s, the Kazakh script was based on the Latin alphabet; before that, the Arabic alphabet was used. I don’t know why he decided to return the Latin alphabet, most likely this is due to the inability to use Kazakh characters when writing names on the Internet. Not sure.
    Kazakh statehood existed long before the advent of Kievan Rus. From Wikipedia:
    Periodization of the history of the country:
    Prehistoric era - covers the time from the appearance of a person on the territory of Kazakhstan (2,5 million years BC) before the onset of the state on the territory of Kazakhstan (VIII – VIII centuries BC).
    The ancient period was the appearance of the first Turkic states on the territory of Kazakhstan (Saks, Uysuns, Kangles, Huns), their heyday, crisis and decline (from the XNUMXth century BC to the XNUMXth century).
    The medieval history of Kazakhstan (V century A.D. until the 30s of the XVIII century). Scientists conditionally distinguish the early and late Middle Ages. Epochs of Turkic imperial prosperity - Turkic Kaganates, Golden Horde and the power of Genghis Khan, Empire of Karakhanids and Timur. The period of enlightening prosperity of scientific astronomers, mathematicians, poets of the Turkic empires, such as Ulugbek, Al-Kashi, Sayfi-sarai, Kutyb, Farabi, Balasaguni and others.

    Further, the author of the article writes:
    People of such an all-Russian scale will never come out of the bowels of Central Asia, such as, for example, a Ferghana native Alexander Abdulov,

    About Timur Bekmambetov - the author does not seem to know.
    And so it is possible to refute paragraph after paragraph.

    In general, Kazakhstan and Russia are connected by more than 300 years of history, and this is a very good basis for further integration.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 8 May 2013 18: 56
      +3
      The best dzhigits among the Turks are Kazakhs. This opinion was expressed by the president
      Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev at the Kazakh-Turkish business forum,
      held in Istanbul, KazInform reports.

      "We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people. After in 1861
      the last Kazakh khan was killed in the year we were a Russian colony
      kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, Kazakhs almost lost
      their national traditions, customs, language, religion. Via
      Almighty we in 1991 proclaimed our independence. Your
      the ancestors, leaving the historical homeland, from the Turkic Kaganate, were taken from
      the name of the Turkic people. Turks still call the best
      dzhigits - "Cossack". So we are these Kazakhs, "Nazarbayev said.
      In addition, the head of state noted that when at 16.00 hours 16
      December 1991, the Parliament of Kazakhstan declared independence,
      an hour later, Turgut Ozal called and congratulated the Kazakh people.
      "The Turkish state was the first to rejoice for our independence,
      recognized our independence. Our people will never forget this ", -
      said the president of Kazakhstan.
      Taki and Nursultan sang about the "Russian occupiers" - forward along the path of Asian integration, to the bright future of the Eurasian Union! Russian and Kazakh are brothers forever!
      1. Canep
        Canep 8 May 2013 19: 06
        +3
        Now I talked with my son about the Latin alphabet. The basis of the Turkish alphabet is Latin, the Tatar alphabet was translated into Latin in 1999, most likely this is the reason for the translation of the Kazakh language into Latin.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 8 May 2013 20: 02
          +3
          Quote: Canep
          Now I talked with my son about the Latin alphabet. The basis of the Turkish alphabet is Latin, the Tatar alphabet was translated into Latin in 1999, most likely this is the reason for the translation of the Kazakh language into Latin.

          Kazakhs are doing the right thing about the Latin alphabet, I don’t understand the key among the Russians. I myself in Russia since childhood and in theory I would have been more comfortable reading in Cyrillic since since childhood everything was in it, so when I read the epic about Koroglu in Azerbaijani in Cyrillic it was difficult , then I read the hedgehog in Latin generally more convenient at times.
          Moreover, there is a political factor, however, there is a rapprochement between the Turkic peoples, especially in the cultural sphere, and it is easier to do this when everyone has one written language, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Gagauz, Uzbekistan
          already in Latin, Kazakhs will soon cross over.
        2. Gecko
          Gecko 8 May 2013 21: 18
          +6
          You are wrong, they tried to translate the Tatar language into Latin, but the federal center did not give them, referring to the law according to which the alphabet of the peoples included in the Russian Federation is built on the Cyrillic alphabet. Separatism in Tatarstan is gently pressed, but there are people who are trying to stir up water for Turkish money. Turkey leaves no plans to recreate the great Ottoman Empire and therefore is trying to influence the Turkic peoples, including Kazakhstan, in various ways. What can we say about Kazakhstan, if in the center of Russia in the Tatar Republic, it is uncomfortable for a Russian to live. Despite the fact that the Tatars in Tatarstan are half the population, the second half are Russians, and all the leading positions are held by the Tatars and are forcibly forced to learn the Tatar language, Russian children, starting from kindergarten. I know several people and Tatars and Russians who left Kazakhstan.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 8 May 2013 22: 33
            +1
            Quote: gecko
            You are wrong, they tried to translate the Tatar language into Latin, but the federal center did not give them, referring to the law according to which the alphabet of the peoples included in the Russian Federation is built on the Cyrillic alphabet.

            It most likely meant that the Tatar was ONLY TRANSLATED, they did not say ENTER.
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 23 May 2013 01: 29
            +1
            Quote: gecko
            They tried to translate the Tatar language into Latin, but the federal center did not give them, referring to the law according to which the alphabet of the peoples included in the Russian Federation is built on the Cyrillic alphabet.

            And how will our neighbors react if Kazakhstan issues a decree that all the alphabets of the peoples of Kazakhstan should be built in the Latin alphabet, like the Kazakh language? That is, we will legally force the Russians of Kazakhstan to write in Russian inside the country only in the Latin alphabet. And so it is clear - hysteria and psychosis will spill out. But when Moscow legislatively prohibits Tatars from writing in their native language in Latin, Russians perceive this as a completely normal action ... "God, do we infringe on the Tatars? We simply do not allow them to write in Tatar as they want it. It is strange that Tatars are offended ... "
      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar 8 May 2013 19: 35
        +1
        And what is the minus? For the fact that I copied the speech of the president of Kazakhstan? Here’s him a minus and bet, but I don’t need.
        Is pricks really pricked?
        1. Canep
          Canep 8 May 2013 19: 44
          +3
          I didn’t put you cons. Want a plus - please.
        2. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 May 2013 19: 45
          -2
          Clearly pricks! me the same "minus" for the truth!
          1. Canep
            Canep 8 May 2013 21: 01
            +3
            Olya, where do you live in Kazakhstan? I'm in Ekibas. I read the local press and I don’t find any nationalism in it. Yes, and Orthodox holidays in Kazastan are respected, if it weren’t for Easter, they would work from 5-2, and rest 6-7, and work 12-2, 4th Easter, 5th slave. 6th idle 7th slave 8-9 holidays. And road signs in Russian and Kazakh are almost always written the same.
      3. Beck
        Beck 8 May 2013 20: 49
        +3
        Quote: Warrawar
        we were a colony of Russian
        kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, Kazakhs almost lost
        their national traditions, customs, language, religion


        This paragraph is the only one you don’t like. And in this paragraph the words that Kazakhstan was a colony of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. Do you want to rewrite history? You want to say that Russia was not a colonial power? England, France, Spain meant were colonial powers, but Russia did not. If Russia were not a colonial power, then it would not be called the Russian Empire. The word and concept Empire automatically, by default, implies that there is a metropolis, and this metropolis has a colony. Without colonies, a country cannot be called an Empire.

        When the Bolsheviks seized power, they could not proceed from Great Russian imperial greatness, since the theory of communism preached the equality and fraternity of all peoples oppressed by capitalism and imperialism. The Bolsheviks could not name the country the Communist Empire. Therefore, under the external slogans of equality, the Bolsheviks established an authoritarian regime of central power, not much different from the Empire.

        It is also possible to ask the question - Why did Russia leave the Golden Horde? And ask the Russians not to mention the words, 300 year old yoke. After all, we can say that everyone in the Horde lived in equality. The Horde garrisons didn’t stand in Russian cities. Russian princes ruled their estates themselves. Here's what to say about some former oppression.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 May 2013 20: 55
          +3
          Quote: Beck
          And in this paragraph the words that Kazakhstan was a colony of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. Do you want to rewrite history?

          Is there no difference for you between "being a part" and "being a colony"?

          Indeed, it was necessary to cast aside all their kookies, and relate to the same Kazakhstan as the British. Here we are, Metropolis, here they are, colonies. Territories intended for total issuing of resources. And do not bother with anything else. It would not be so offensive now.
          1. Beck
            Beck 8 May 2013 21: 32
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            Is there no difference for you between "being a part" and "being a colony"?


            Until 17, it was a colony. After the word the colony was removed, the outer was given - an equal republic, but the leash was short and firmly attached to Moscow. Until the year 17, the Empire simply pumped out resources like all the metropolises, otherwise the colonies would be useless.

            After 17 years, the country began to develop as a whole. And if factories were built in Kazakhstan, then this is not only for Kazakhstan, but for the whole country. At this time, thanks to the Russian people, my people made a huge leap forward. Thanks to the Russian language, we learned the world through it. Thanks to the Russian people who came to Kazakhstan, we have a different mentality, and not the same as in Mongolia or Afghanistan. And these are all great people. Not great to build a country like Russia could not. But in the national plan, the USSR was still not an equal union. And any nation has the idea of ​​independence in the blood. If the Russians had not had such an idea, they would not have left the Golden Horde. An equal Union is now being built on the basis of sovereignty, equality and mutual consent.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 May 2013 21: 42
              +2
              Quote: Beck
              Until 17, it was a colony

              On what grounds was it a colony? Only specifically.

              Quote: Beck
              After the word the colony was removed, the outer was given - an equal republic, but the leash was short and firmly attached to Moscow.

              Some Ryazan was also "tightly attached to Moscow" - Ryazan region is also a colony?

              Quote: Beck
              Until the year 17, the Empire simply pumped out resources like all the metropolises, otherwise the colonies would be useless.

              But from this place specifically. What was pumped out? How many?
              1. Beck
                Beck 8 May 2013 22: 58
                -2
                Quote: Spade
                On what grounds was it a colony? Only specifically.


                I to you that the teacher of Likbez. If you do not know, search through the directories.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 May 2013 23: 00
                  +2
                  That is, if the leader said that a colony means a colony. And that’s it.

                  Well, this, my friend, is not a question of real history, but a question of Faith in the infallibility of the leader.
              2. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 23 May 2013 02: 15
                0
                Lopatov,
                1) The concept of "colony" in relation to Turkestan was official in tsarist Russia until 1917. In the textbooks, the Soviet government also calmly used the concept of "colonial policy", speaking of tsarism in our region. To delete this, you will have to rewrite all Soviet history textbooks, as well as censor the periodicals of the Russian Empire ...
                2) In Kazakhstan, oil production began not in the Soviet era, but just under Nikolai Romanov. And the Kazakhs had nothing from this. As well as from coal and other mines. Together with Russian industrialists pumping out the resources of the Kazakh steppe, foreigners, especially the British, were actively involved in this. The tsarist government in Kazakhstan did not create any ordinary industry, there were small manufactories, but they were so primitive and ineffective that they were not able to provide even their own region with their products. Russia did not need the processing industry in Kazakhstan. Russia needed only the mining industry. In Soviet times, this industrial policy was not only not preserved, but also intensified hundreds of times. The entire industry of the Kazakh SSR is the extraction of resources. Not like cars or watches - even mayonnaise was not produced in Kazakhstan. Until 1991, a Kazakhstani could only buy a loaf of bread, a bottle of vodka and a piece of fabric from the Almaty factory of the AHBK (but not a dress or shirt) from Kazakh goods in a store. And I'm not really exaggerating. Not in everything, the Kazakh SSR was, of course, a colony in Soviet times. But from an economic point of view, it is a classic colonial policy. At the same time, a characteristic detail is that all the main flagships of the Kazakhstan extractive industry were directly subordinate to Moscow, not Alma-Ata, and their income was attributed to the corresponding union ministry, and not to the republican profile department.

                Well, just before, since 1954, collective farmers from Russia and Ukraine began to be sent here to the virgin lands (by the way, this grain was also not grown for the needs of the republic) Kazakhstan was not only a colony, but a real prison for millions of Soviet citizens of the "wrong" nationality ... Tell an old German or Korean that Kazakhstan is not a colony, but a land for free, equal people. Or tell the Kazakhs, who did not have the right to rule their own republic, that in the USSR, all nations had equal rights. In 1986, Moscow appointed an official of the regional rank from Ulyanovsk as the head of the republic, and when the Kazakhs were indignant with the words: "Why couldn't they even find Kazakh Russians worthy?", Then all Kazakhs were registered as nationalists. Then was born the formulation "terry Kazakh nationalism", reprinted hundreds of times in Soviet newspapers.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 23 May 2013 02: 17
                  0
                  In Soviet times, Kazakhstan was ruled all the time by foreigners - most often Russians, but there were also Armenians, Jews, Uzbeks, Uighurs, Ukrainians. For 70 years, only three Kazakhs have been in power in their own republic. In no other republic was the titular nation so tolerant of foreign rulers in Soviet times. And a strange coincidence, when the Kazakhs were the leaders of the Kazakh SSR, something was always built and developed in Kazakhstan at that time. When there were all sorts of goloschekin-kolbin-mirzoyans in the Kazakh SSR there was famine (I am not exaggerating), stagnation, land degradation, "excesses" and other nishtyaks.
                  Well, just non-Kazakh leaders of Kazakhstan noted the massive closure of Kazakh schools, squeezing the Kazakh language out of the life of the republic. Before the collapse of the USSR, Kazakhs could not receive education in their native language at the university (yes, even schools with the Kazakh language were just a minimum - in the capital of Kazakhstan before the restructuring, there was only one Kazakh school in general - and this was in the million-plus city!). Is this a normal state policy or is it still a classic colonial infringement of the rights of an entire nation?
                  There is no need to tell the Kazakhs about the delights of the tsarist and Soviet power. We know about the pros, and we do not forget about them. But we also remember the minuses, no matter how the Russians tried to deny them. For 70 years, the Soviet government could not create a single faculty in the Kazakh language (except for the ZhenPI for teachers of aul schools)! And after 1991 it became clear that higher education in the Kazakh language is real and natural. The problem was not in the mythical "underdevelopment of the language", but in the fact that Until 1991 there was a banal policy of forced Russification.
                  Well, I won't write about the policy towards Kazakhs in 20-30, otherwise the Russians will burn out of shame for their fellow blood-brothers of that time. But if anyone really wants to read on this topic, then you can look at excerpts from Soviet newspapers of those years in the book by Mustafa Shokay (Chokaev) "Turkestan under the rule of the Soviets", published in those years. There are simply deadly examples of the policies of the then Bolsheviks towards the Kazakhs. Maybe after that someone will have less aplomb and mantras "Russian theaters and amusement parks have been built for you unselfishly, and you don't kiss our feet for tsarism and Soviet power ...".
                  If we were not a colony, then why only the Slavic republics had separate missions to the UN during the Soviet era, and was this privilege unavailable to the rest?
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 8 May 2013 21: 12
          +1
          Beck ... If Russia were not a colonial power, then it would not be called the Russian Empire. The word and concept Empire automatically, by default, implies that there is a metropolis, and this metropolis has a colony. Without colonies, a country cannot be called an Empire.

          In this empire, Russians were not a privileged class, and some (if Poland, Finland, and others were not mistaken) had advantages.
          О
          After all, the Rdyn garrisons did not stand in Russian cities.

          It would be better if they stood: how to rob an infection, and how to defend oneself from raids by yourself. And there is no need to go so far who knows what is true and what is fiction.
          Do you want to rewrite history?

          Although it is not a question for me, history is constantly being rewritten, meaning distortions are one way, and you distort it. Try to be objective and see not only moments that are favorable from your point of view
        3. Gecko
          Gecko 8 May 2013 21: 25
          0
          Kazan is precisely the fortress of the Golden Horde from which it controlled all the Volga peoples, including the Chuvash, Udmurts, Mari, Mordovians.
  24. Lgpack
    Lgpack 8 May 2013 18: 53
    +2
    Custom article. Who benefits from bleeding, ask a question!
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 8 May 2013 19: 22
    +4
    The collapse of the USSR showed that the new elites of the newly formed states took the worst path of building their states !!! They stopped working in the economy and boldly engaged in populism!
    All problems in the newly formed states can be safely shoved onto the Russian-speaking population. All your mistakes!
    And this is a fait accompli!
    1. Canep
      Canep 8 May 2013 19: 52
      +2
      As for the economy in Kazakhstan, the 2nd living standard of the population after Russia, the average salary of 100000 tenge (20000 rubles) is not much behind the Russian one. 3 - Belarus 4 - Azerbaijan, 5-Ukraine.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 20: 24
        -2
        And you show arithmetic: this means the salary of the bucks billionaire of Kazakhstan + salary, all doctors (40000-50000 tenge), teachers: for several tens of thousands of doctors and teachers, and = OUR average salary is 100000 tenge!
        1. Canep
          Canep 8 May 2013 21: 22
          +2
          The salary of a teacher in Kazakhstan is from 60000 to 100000 tenge (according to his son), and for doctors (not in a dispensary from 150000 there) from 80000 to 250000, depending on qualification. 40000-50000 is received by a nurse (not in a tube there from 80000). A familiar nurse in a private hospital receives 60000 tenge. I work as a leading design engineer of 120000, boys design engineers of 80000 experience up to 3 years. turners receive from 60000 to 200000 thousand, depending on qualifications. Installers 60000-150000. The daughter of a student of the wrapper receives 30000. The driver of the KTZ electric locomotive and a bucket wheel excavator is approximately 200000. This is all in Ekibastuz.
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 8 May 2013 21: 39
            0
            What are you lying! My daughter in the clinic at the Tub Institute worked for 3 years as a doctor with a salary of 23000 tenge + night shifts - income - retirement and received 36000 on her hands, that was 3 years ago And now her classmates, working in clinics, receive a maximum of 60000 tenge, and then , for 1,3 rates! Recently she was called back to the "tube", for yours 60000, not 150000-250000, FANTASYOR! Let the Minister of Health "bathe" in Koch's sticks "for 60 thousand tenge! Because of this, 2 years ago she" went "for a technical education, entered an institute to master the profession of a civil engineer.
            1. Canep
              Canep 8 May 2013 22: 00
              +2
              I myself was in a tube 3 years ago (although there was no tuberculosis - pleurisy) and I talked with doctors, most talked about salaries - a trade secret, but a couple of doctors blabbed (most Russian women). Surgeons generally have space salaries. And I would advise your daughter not to change her profession, as a civil engineer, to work and earn experience, you need to have no less than a doctor, I worked at a construction and installation company in Ekibastuz (I still work for them), they will either take a young guy there, or a person with experience (including a woman).
              In what city did your daughter have such a salary? Tub. Institute in Almaty is similar. Did she work with patients? Treated? Went on duty? And apparently the intern was.
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 8 May 2013 22: 17
                -1
                In Alma-Ata. By the way, she’s a TB doctor. My husband and I made her leave there.
                1. ia-ai00
                  ia-ai00 8 May 2013 22: 19
                  0
                  And she said about surgeons that they earn good money, but most of it is money past the box office.
                  1. ia-ai00
                    ia-ai00 8 May 2013 22: 22
                    0
                    Yes, she treated, went on duty. She still a year and a half after the dismissal calls gratefully went from patients.
                  2. Canep
                    Canep 8 May 2013 22: 29
                    +2
                    Maybe right from our tube after one honey. the commissions of 4 young nurses were immediately taken to the Pavlodar regional tube dispensary for treatment (the 2nd then turned out to be in a stable form). It might be better for the daughter to retrain. I don’t know how doctors in Alma-Ata get well with us, maybe something is being paid extra from the city budget? I do not know. And for the rest of the salaries, everything is correct, that's for sure in its own way (I have not yet calculated the salary for the second job), in vain do you call me a liar.
                    1. ia-ai00
                      ia-ai00 8 May 2013 22: 43
                      0
                      Well, excuse me, I just know that even in Alma-Ata with zE / n everything is not so good. At the end of 2012, my daughter passed the so-called "primary school" for a cardiologist at our Institute of Cardiology and Internal Medicine. While I was studying there, I learned that they receive 40-60 thousand tenge there too. it doesn't suit her. And now she works with me in an engineering firm, so she will gain experience, Wordom i AutoCAD owns Wordom - masterly.
                      1. Canep
                        Canep 8 May 2013 23: 05
                        0
                        I work in Compass 3D and I recommend that you switch. And in WORD I only write letters. And the salary of a doctor (and an engineer) directly depends on experience. The chief of experience has 20 years more and the salary is 1.5-2 times more.
                      2. ia-ai00
                        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 23: 16
                        0
                        I know about engineers. The Compass does not suit us. Our work is related to the strengthening of structures or projects "for" technologists in the conditions of existing buildings and structures.
                      3. ia-ai00
                        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 23: 20
                        0
                        Well, they have already talked HUMANLY. We already have 9 May! Congratulations on your VICTORY HOLIDAY! HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY!
          2. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 23 May 2013 02: 47
            +1
            Eeyore, go to the job sites and see how many private and state hospitals offer health workers there.
            http://www.careerjet.kz/rabota-jobs-%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%87/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%
            D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D
            0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C-123367.html
            http://hh.kz/applicant/searchvacancyresult.xml?orderBy=2&compensationCurrencyCod
            e = KZT & searchPeriod = 30 & from = CLUSTER_SPECIALIZATION & text = & itemsOnPage = 20 & areaId = 40
            ¬WithoutSalary = true & professionalAreaId = 13 & specializationId = 13.131
            http://hh.kz/applicant/searchvacancyresult.xml?orderBy=2&compensationCurrencyCod
            e = KZT & searchPeriod = 30 & from = CLUSTER_COMPENSATION & text = & itemsOnPage = 20 & areaId = 40 & p
            rofessionalAreaId = 13¬WithoutSalary = true
            Quite normal salaries. Of course, engineers get more, but to write that doctors are sitting on bread and water is already too much. Familiar doctors get me very well.
            By the way, one relative works in a state hospital (!) As a regular nurse (Kokshetau). She has a salary of 50 thousand. And she received the same amount three years ago. And your daughter from morning till night worked as a certified doctor for 23-36 thousand? You don’t agree on something, madam ...
  • AntonR7
    AntonR7 8 May 2013 19: 27
    +1
    This is all thanks to Lenin and the Bolsheviks, who built the state on the national basis of the TASSR, Ukrainian SSR, etc., only in order to attract nationals to their side. If the republics remain in Russia, then there will always be a threat of the collapse of the state on a national basis. It is necessary as the Chinese to conduct competent Russification and to build the regions again according to the territorial principle.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 8 May 2013 19: 51
      +1
      Yes, I agree with my husband that Lenin LAYED A TIME BOMB with his "NATIONAL QUESTION" and the division of RUSSIA into Union Republics, eliminating the division of Russia - GOVERNMENTS! Earlier I argued with him on this topic, but unfortunately he was right!
  • v53993
    v53993 8 May 2013 19: 49
    -2
    When Kazakhstan, after a few years, crawls like a prodigal son at the feet of Russia, there is no longer any reason to accept it as an equal. The betrayer will betray the next time. But NazarBaev, he is the Bai. But as they say, the people are worthy of their rulers.
    1. Canep
      Canep 8 May 2013 20: 01
      +5
      Actually, Kazakhstan and Russia have an agreement on eternal friendship, and Kazakhstan is also included in all integration processes in place with Russia. You probably confuse Kazakhstan with Georgia.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 20: 10
        +1
        So what FRIENDSHIP can be with the occupiers? What again to give a link, where Nazarbayev talks about this in Turkey? When we read this, even among Kazakh employees, to put it mildly, the jaw dropped!
        1. Canep
          Canep 8 May 2013 21: 24
          +1
          Russia terminated this agreement?
        2. Gecko
          Gecko 8 May 2013 21: 42
          +1
          Probably, Turkey whispered something gentle to Nazyrbayev's ear and put it in his pocket, just like Ukraine is trying to court the West. The Russian Empire has many offended enemies of the former empires and states who are now trying to recoup and take Russia apart. If Norway has dug out the Pomors and is trying to "incite" them to independence from Russia, despite the fact that the Pomors are a Russian sub-ethnos and in no way relates to the Norwegians and Swedes. Estonia and Finland awaken self-identity in the Finno-Ugric peoples of the Udmurts, Mari, Mordva, thank God, to no avail. And this list of subversive activities is very long, if in Russia it is suppressed or the peoples simply identify themselves with the Russians, then the former republics of the USSR have come under the guardianship and sphere of influence of the former masters. Yes, there are small problems with Muslims, tk. we are too different, but so far we get along with the help of the carrot and stick. For the Yakuts and Chukchi, the compassionate west harnessed, forgetting that in Russia their position is much better than the position of the Indians in the United States.
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 8 May 2013 21: 47
            +1
            There, not only Turkey is whispering in your ear, but in the US the "fellows" are TONY BLAIR - BRITAN and a whole commission from the US came to Kazakhstan last year to "correct" the culture.
        3. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 23 May 2013 03: 37
          +1
          Don't be hysterical and don't mislead. Nobody called the Russians invaders. "Loving woman" and "slut" are words that are similar in meaning, but still with a different emotional message. Likewise, "the colonial policy of tsarism" and "Russians are occupiers" are different concepts.
          Has already been worn out. Go already to the place where the "correct power" is. And then you flutter your own nerves, and you mess up others. Your friend Vasilenko has left Kazakhstan - I am grateful to him for that. He, too, like you, was embarrassed by everything, still cannot move away from the insidious Kazakhs, who decided to speak their own language and have their own opinion about history. What keeps you here among the insidious Asians, who have "always a stone in their bosom" (I quote your words)? This is not your land. This is the land of Minesweeper, Andrei, Foker, Kirill and other guys, but not yours. I sometimes argue with the people mentioned, swear, incl. about the difference in the perception of historical events, but I think that they have as many rights to this land as I have. And they have every right to kick in the face to anyone who says "Go to Russia". And you're here by accident. You are not hooked here by the roots, you live as if surrounded by enemies in a deep defense. The only thing that keeps you here is work and money. You are for me a "disloyal guest worker", and Minesweeper is a "full citizen and co-owner of this land." Do you feel the difference? Therefore, behave like a ghast and do not download the license. Foker or Kirill have the right to download the rights. Ilya Ilyin or Gerold Belger have rights. You don't. Because you yourself position vollens-nolens as an enemy of the Kazakhs. Therefore, NOT ONE ethnic Kazakh on the site can say a single good word about you, as well as about smok or vasilenko. How would you not encrypt at times in the "internationalist" or "patriot". Well, doesn't believe you not a single Kazakh here. And, apparently, their fellow blood mates do not quite perceive you. You can only find a response from Vladasolo, Vasilenko, Smoke, etc. Go to them, in the evenings you will remember with them how your "golden hands" and "golden head" built the whole Kazakhstan for these ungrateful lumps, and dream of how the Kazakhs "will crawl on their knees." For heaven's sake, talk whatever you want. Only from there, "from across the river." We still have to work a lot with our Russians to build a house, and then we will repair and redevelop this house for another eternity. Do not anger the Kazakhs, and do not stain the Russians of Kazakhstan with your movements. They are so deeply Russian that they would not think to be afraid of "assimilation" or "oppression." These fears are characteristic of those who are weak in their Russianness. Who is afraid of a light breeze, because he can tear off the touch of Russianness from him. We do not need such "Russian" nafig. These are mankurts in an unripe form. Vaughn Vasilenko is neither Ukrainian, nor Russian, nor Kazakh. Just "slighted and humiliated". And he could have been Russian, and Ukrainian, and Kazakh at the same time. And the owner of this land, respectively. And for him any Kazakh would have given him to the offender in the face. Friendship with real Russians, Germans, Koreans, Uighurs is dear to us. And all temporary workers of all nationalities are advised to pack their bags. Either you are responsible for all achievements and for all mistakes of Kazakhstan - or you are a stranger. That's the whole formula by which Kazakhs define "friend or foe". And the Kazakhs don't care about your ethnic origin and religion.
    2. Beck
      Beck 8 May 2013 22: 15
      +1
      Quote: v53993
      When Kazakhstan, in a few years, crawls like a prodigal son at the feet of Russia,


      That's how much arrogance you need to have to say that in the modern world. That’s what a Union can be built with such concepts. One consolation is not the words of a politician in Russia, but a smug fluff. When a Russian politician says such words, then of course the construction of the Union will end, integration will end, the Customs Union will end, the CSTO will end. Times on the street are not the ones to crawl at someone’s feet.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 8 May 2013 22: 51
        +3
        Quote: Beck
        That’s what a Union can be built with such concepts.

        Yes bullshit, these unions originally. CIS created bullshit, the necessary significant agreements are concluded in 2 third-party treaties, the Collective Security Treaty Organization also, the unity of this organization showed a reaction to the events in Georgia, the CU and the EU are the same, there will be some rapprochement, but as soon as someone tries to express in contrast to the Russian one they immediately sold out (although Kazakhstan is a rich country and it’s ridiculous to talk about it) they whispered, etc.
        By and large, here are the claims to visitors that they don’t integrate, but what about the Russians integrating?
        I’ve been relatives here since I was 40 years old and it would be strange if I didn’t know Russian and why the Russians would write in Cyrillic.
        We also do not assimilate here in the majority, but we know the language of the area where we live and is no worse than the native, and in many places better, and take Russian from Azerbaijan, only after independence we were forced to learn because Bakintsev was expelled, and with new residents of Baku they could no longer explain, because they were stupidly misunderstood in the majority and were forced to learn the language.
        Moreover, you know how proud you become when a person of a foreign nationality speaks your language? It's cool. I was amazed when I flew to Nakhchivan and the stewardesses spoke Russian girls in Azerbaijan. It was so amazing and beautiful in combination with a Russian accent that the mood rose at times.
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 8 May 2013 20: 17
    11
    And then with the Russians, with the Shuravi, they are even here for everything.
    - the author, what a dumb thing !? What exactly do you need to get even with the Russians !? Because they struggled to tear some from stone rocks and others from boundless steppes, they put them on university benches and on machine tools of plants ??? Pretty weird logic ...

    Non-Russian friends, in fact, the Russians gave us much more than they took from us, much! more: The main goal of the Russians is to preserve their population, nation ... just to preserve themselves in history! From us, the Russians need only the territory, as a buffer, a place where you can place troops and military facilities for strategic maneuvers and a guarantee that we ourselves will not attack them ... AND EVERYTHING! And what do they give in return? And IN REPLACEMENT ... they took and equalized us in a civilizational sense, with themselves! They began to educate us at their universities (with all the consequences), they began to teach us the military art (the best in the world), and began to develop an unheard of early infrastructure with us. And with all this .., they saved EVERYTHING! our values ​​that we had before them (language, culture, etc.).
    It should be understood that the Russians, 200-300 years ago (and they were already an empire then) could quietly trample us (and what, it was then fashionable ..!), Lazily, looking around, thereby freeing up the necessary "living space "as some people sometimes like to say ... BUT they ... followed the path of equality, brotherhood and the common good ... and did everything they could along the way ...
    And now, when the Russians have relatively bad times, we remembered how proud, original and great we are ...

    You just need to be honest.


    (let the Russian colleagues not rate the comment, forgive me.)
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 May 2013 20: 41
      +4
      Dagestan, you understand that pride is a hindrance to wisdom! So much pride around! Happy you and everyone who accepts my congratulations! It's good that there were unifying holidays.
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 8 May 2013 22: 26
        +2
        Yes, my friend, I understand. And congratulations on a great holiday!
    2. CAPILATUS
      CAPILATUS 9 May 2013 22: 04
      +1
      Dear! I shake your hand tightly! I have not yet seen a better and honest commentary on the role of Russians in the states of Central Asia and the Caucasus.

      and with the HOLIDAY OF VICTORY of all! Let it be so far, a little that all of us still have in common will never disappear. Eternal glory to the fallen for our future!
    3. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 23 May 2013 04: 02
      +1
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      they took and equalized us in a civilizational sense, with themselves! They began to educate us at their universities (with all the consequences), they began to teach us the military art (the best in the world), and began to develop an unheard of early infrastructure with us. And with all this .., they saved EVERYTHING! our values ​​that we had before them (language, culture, etc.).

      In 1917, the Russian Vanya lived in the village in a more civilized and educated manner than the Kazakh Akhmet? Can we stop confusing the "Russian people" and "Soviet power" in convenient cases? Before the Soviet regime, the overwhelming majority of Russians in bast shoes walked around and did not know how to read. And those Russians who then went to balls and chirped in French, discussing Maupassant, wanted to spit, either on Akhmet or on Vanka.

      As for the "preservation of language and culture," you simply do not know the realities in Soviet Kazakhstan. The Soviet government actually squeezed the Kazakh language out of use, providing an opportunity to receive education ONLY in Russian. The entire Kazakh culture was driven into a "reservation" with strictly defined frameworks of aul aytys and verses praising the party. When 9 Kazakhs, in the presence of one Russian, began to speak Kazakh, it was an accusation of Kazakh nationalism. Even now, some Russians are outraged at the sight of Kazakh inscriptions. Vaughn Madame Eeyore is insulting to the core.

      We all learned the art of war together at the front at the same time on bitter mistakes. We sat at the same desk, and we had a "teacher" - fascism.

      Yes, and Vanka and Akhmet studied at the same time in the proletarian workers' schools, comprehending the secrets of the universe, science and technology. Moreover, in the first two five-year plans under the leadership of Western engineers. The Russians themselves threw out their Russian professors together with water during the revolutionary years. Stalin had to invite Albert Kahn from the United States so that his engineers would teach Soviet people how to design Dnieper hydroelectric power plants, trucks and airplanes. And the Kazakhs more than paid for their education and industry by causing an unprecedented famine in the 30s in Ukraine, the Volga and Kazakhstan. The price of "the life of half of the Kazakhs" is quite sufficient so as not to feel additional gratitude for "training" and "industrialization". Paid by surplus. Goloshchekin will confirm.
  • annenkov242
    annenkov242 8 May 2013 20: 17
    0
    The title of the article is akin to the Old Testament exodus of the Jews from Egypt. Let the exodus take place in one year, and not 40 years, then Russia will be strong, and then we will have no Azeri, no Armenians and other "brethren" ......!
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 8 May 2013 20: 18
    0
    guys let's be friends bully

  • Lexagun
    Lexagun 8 May 2013 20: 19
    +2
    Strange article, rhetorical question, obvious answers .....
    it would seem that...
    should be obvious.
    And they are not, more precisely, they are not obvious.
    How did our compatriots end up where they are? The Motherland sent them (their ancestors)? And then you changed your mind? Well, how do you manage to send someone somewhere after that? Only if obscenely, but rather the opposite. After all, they did not go there as unskilled laborers, which means ... the opening of a plant, a factory of an enterprise (most often it will require reanimation of a previously existing one) will ensure their relevance because among the "national cadres", as a rule, there is no proper level of training and qualifications.
    Arrangements with local elites ... in any case, will cost less than the mass reception of unclaimed Russian-speaking citizens here, providing them with housing, employment. And about the fact that this will protect the Russian influence in the near abroad and it is not necessary to speak. By the way, the Medvedev government’s boycott of Putin’s decree on granting Russian citizenship upon request to all former USSR citizens and their descendants best illustrates the level of other people's influence on the decisions of our elite jerboa, so to speak. The transition to Russian jurisdiction without taking into account nationality as soon as possible will strengthen pro-Russian, pro-Russian influence in the near abroad and then reunite it again.
  • annenkov242
    annenkov242 8 May 2013 20: 20
    -1
    The title of the article is akin to the Old Testament exodus of the Jews from Egypt. Let the exodus take place in one year, and not 40 years, then Russia will be strong, and then we will have no Azeri, no Armenians and other "brethren" ......!
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 20: 25
    +1
    Union of the indestructible republics free

    Great Russia forever.

    Long live the people's will

    A single, mighty Soviet Union!


    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,

    Friendship of peoples is a reliable stronghold!

    Party of Lenin - the strength of the people

    Communism leads us to the triumph of communism!


    Through the storms, the sun of freedom shone,

    And Lenin gave us a great path:

    On a just cause, he raised the nations,

    We were inspired by work and deeds!


    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,

    Friendship of peoples is a reliable stronghold!

    Party of Lenin - the strength of the people

    Communism leads us to the triumph of communism!


    In the victory of the immortal ideas of communism

    We see the future of our country,

    And the red flag of the glorious homeland

    We will always be selflessly faithful!


    Be glorious, our free Fatherland,

    Friendship of peoples is a reliable stronghold!

    Party of Lenin - the strength of the people

    Communism leads us to the triumph of communism!
    Are there people on the site who get goosebumps from these words ??? Personally, I am proud that I was born and listened to this hymn until the 91st
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 8 May 2013 20: 37
      -2
      I put you clearly +, and the moderator "rolled out" a minus! Therefore, you +100!
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 8 May 2013 20: 41
        -2
        I understood how it worked! Apparently 3 people "voted" at once: 2 - with "minuses", and I with "Plus", as a result of SIMULTANEOUSness, turned out in the amount (-).
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 May 2013 21: 18
          +3
          Quote: ia-ai00
          I understood how it worked! Apparently 3 people "voted" at once: 2 - with "minuses", and I with "Plus", as a result of SIMULTANEOUSness, turned out in the amount (-).

          At last!!!))))))))) love
          How many months of torment)))
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 8 May 2013 22: 26
            0
            And do not say, otherwise I put (+), "creeps out" (-), and vice versa!
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 May 2013 22: 31
          0
          I can only disappoint you, I am a brown-haired woman, with a PROSESS ...
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 9 May 2013 07: 34
            0
            Quote: ia-ai00
            I can only disappoint you, I am a brown-haired woman, with a PRESS.

            Gray only crushes)))
            Do not hold evil, I hope not offended !!
            1. ia-ai00
              ia-ai00 9 May 2013 08: 03
              0
              Not at all, even laughed!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 9 May 2013 11: 33
                0
                Quote: ia-ai00
                Not at all, even laughed!

                Good luck to you!!
                And many human thanks to the moderator who deleted my previous post!
                Because he could not delete!
                1. ia-ai00
                  ia-ai00 9 May 2013 12: 06
                  0
                  Good luck to you too, happy Victory Day! Honestly, it's still funny about the "blonde" ...
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 9 May 2013 10: 44
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          Moderator on

          Quote: Yarbay
          Just turn on your brains


          minus you from me, deleting comments
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 20: 32
    0
    I have already defined at least two fascists. (Well, either these are children who, in addition to timothy, didn’t listen and did not understand the topic in the USSR anthem)
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 8 May 2013 23: 20
      -1
      I fit your definition, but what right do you have to put a stigma on people? The Nazis expelled the Russians from Central Asia, Transcaucasia, Chechnya. Thousands were killed, and hundreds of thousands were forced to flee. My friends were nearly shot in the 90s in Tashkent for an apartment. And now, the monkeys ruined their homeland are coming to us, carrying their wild orders and laws. And about hymns, I’m 20 years old, I know by heart the Marseillaise, the anthem of the USSR, the international, the anthem of the Russian Empire.
  • Vladomir
    Vladomir 8 May 2013 20: 43
    -1
    In its actions, Russia should proceed only from its own interests, both current and future ones, primarily by increasing its economic and military power and attractiveness. The old carrot-and-stick method is still effective today.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 8 May 2013 23: 40
      +2
      Quote: Vladomir
      In its actions, Russia should proceed only from its own interests, both current and future ones, primarily by increasing its economic and military power and attractiveness. The old carrot-and-stick method is still effective today.

      Accurate and short.
    2. avt
      avt 9 May 2013 11: 40
      0
      Quote: Vladomir
      In its actions, Russia should proceed only from its own interests, both current and future ones, primarily by increasing its economic and military power and attractiveness. The old carrot-and-stick method is still effective today.

      request After the collapse of the USSR and the loss of its ideology - certainly YES. And it’s interesting that when the newly formed states deal with this - it’s completely comme il faut, even the base is ideological, here are the owners of the land and there is nothing for the former colonialists to meddle in sovereign affairs. But with this approach of Russia - well, the hysteria immediately about the betrayal of true allies and the post-imperial syndrome.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 8 May 2013 20: 53
    +1
    With all our support programs for compatriots, this support is given to migrants and gastrikans who oppress our compatriots in their republics. The fewer ours there, the less the possibility of blackmail and pressure on Russia.
  • groom
    groom 8 May 2013 21: 14
    -1
    "I have always opposed the Concept of the return of compatriots" - no, well, just great and terrible. How easy it is to sacrifice the human fate of a part of the Russian people, for the most part, who were forced to find themselves outside the borders of their shrinking state.
    It is necessary to explain to the figures of the new state formations on the territory of the Russian state (including the users of this site) that Russia (including Western ukry) has reached that level of its civilizational development. Now they are gradually sinking to the state from which they were dragged out by the Russians (meaning people adhering to all-Russian values ​​close to European culture). They return to the Middle Ages, and therefore it is necessary to treat these states accordingly. Accordingly - the rule "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
    The policy towards such states should be extremely cynical - this is the norm of those times where they return.
    In a decade, Russia will not want to integrate with these states. Well, you don’t want to unite today with any African country.
    And feeding and injecting money there is nothing to change. Such states can be pulled out of the Middle Ages only by their sane national dictator. True, after his departure, Russia will again be blamed for everything. Does Russia need it?
  • ale-x
    ale-x 8 May 2013 21: 23
    +2
    "Is it necessary to restrain the process of the exodus of Russians from the countries of Central Asia?"

    The question is late, 15 years commercials .....
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 21: 30
    -5
    about 3 fascists found !!!
  • Conepatus
    Conepatus 8 May 2013 21: 34
    +1
    If Russian citizens are oppressed in the Central Asian republics, then Russia itself is to blame for this in the first place. This allows them to do this. All over the world they know that they have to answer for any Jewish attack. And it doesn’t matter if it is an Israeli citizen, or Moldavian , or Papua New Guinean Jew. He touched a Jew, you answer, and without a statute of limitations. This is an axiom. And it works. Why then reinvent the wheel?
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 21: 34
    -2
    4's found!
    1. gremlin1977
      gremlin1977 8 May 2013 21: 48
      +3
      and write me down then
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 8 May 2013 22: 07
      +4
      Quote: avant-garde
      4's found!

      Write me 7 soldier
  • heavytank
    heavytank 8 May 2013 21: 35
    +6
    This author wants to ignite an interethnic spark. In fact, such a situation not only with Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation, but also often happens with the Russian Federation between the countries of the TNI, Europe and even the USA. The integration of our century is not outrageous. Try to just stop. Only a strong economy can provide this. It’s too early to scream that someone in Kazakhstan will offend the Russians. people are not like this author thinks, the time is different. And if you wanted to offend why, you can simply shoot. And one more thing: Russians in Kazakhstan live much more comfortably than in other countries. They travel to the Russian Federation to live even more comfortably, but it is there that they are met as KAZAKHI. Kazakhstan is a bright state, especially under Nazarbayev. and Kazakhstan is the most vulnerable spot for the Russian Federation. it is the Kazakh steppe that is the primary defense against a heap of terrorist organizations from Afghanistan, Central Asia and from the most unstable regions of Asia. This article is not patriotic likely propaganda of chauvinism.
    1. Canep
      Canep 8 May 2013 21: 42
      +5
      Statue with a rot.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 May 2013 21: 48
      +4
      Quote: heavytank
      This article is not patriotic likely propaganda of chauvinism.

      All nations have the right to their identity. All nations can fight for their rights. Except Russians. Their identity and the struggle for rights should be considered chauvinism.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 8 May 2013 23: 03
        +7
        Quote: Spade
        All nations have the right to their identity. All nations can fight for their rights. Except Russians. Their identity and the struggle for rights should be considered chauvinism.

        So who forbids them.
        Do you know that in Azerbaijan the ONLY in the CIS space is the OFFICIALLY REGISTERED RUSSIAN COMMUNITY ??
        During the USSR, zero assimilation, language was not taught at all. Well, the union was forgotten.
        But with independence, unlike Kazakhstan, they were forced to do it themselves. Because the native Baku People left for the most part, people came to Baku from regions without knowledge of Russian. Then the Russians were forced to learn the language, otherwise few would understand them in the republic. AND LEARNED! ! So it’s not the language itself that it’s difficult and all that, but reluctance.
        There is a RUSSIAN MP in the Milli Majlis. There are many schools in all universities and the Russian sector.
        So much for self-determination. And then Russia began to help relatively recently creating some kind of organization, forgot the name, and before that they themselves simply created the conditions.
        In Kazakhstan, because of traces of Russian assimilation and a greater number, Russians resist and have to use administrative methods. And many do not want to, still think that we are in a union. There are NO Independent states in this Union.
        And wherever you learn the local language, don’t necessarily do everything like the local population, but at least do not annoy your local people. If everyone did this, there would be no problem.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 May 2013 23: 20
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          And wherever you learn the local language, don’t necessarily do everything like the local population, but at least do not annoy your local people. If everyone did this, there would be no problem.

          Gold words. If only you would do it in Russia. How many problems could be avoided.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 9 May 2013 00: 00
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Yeraz
            And wherever you learn the local language, don’t necessarily do everything like the local population, but at least do not annoy your local people. If everyone did this, there would be no problem.

            Gold words. If only you would do it in Russia. How many problems could be avoided.

            For myself and my relatives I can definitely answer, we behave according to our traditions and they do not contradict the Russians anywhere, well, except to cut a lamb, but you can cut it in your country))
      2. avt
        avt 9 May 2013 11: 32
        0
        Quote: Spade
        All nations can fight for their rights. Except Russians. Their identity and the struggle for rights should be considered chauvinism.

        Already smoothly transferred to the category of fascism.
    3. Spike
      Spike 8 May 2013 21: 58
      -4
      You breach better than my dog. Dog
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 21: 51
    0
    so you write nicknames so that I know who doesn’t like the anthem of the USSR!
  • gremlin1977
    gremlin1977 8 May 2013 21: 52
    -1
    All nations were helped by all the brothers, and if these brothers didn’t send debts and don’t yap at the elephant. It’s time to forget about the brotherhood of Italy, there’s nowhere to go further. and pacifists.
  • Spike
    Spike 8 May 2013 21: 56
    0
    Quote: starshina78
    Our Government needs to condition the leaders of those countries of Central Asia whose people go to work with us: if you want yours to work with us, please do not kindly oppress the remaining Russians with you, otherwise we will not let your guest workers go. Maybe then the order will be.
    We need to return to Russia please. In any case, these h .... they will not be given life. But the visa regime must be introduced. Skolko can be kissed in the ass of these neighboring princes only so that they do not jump to the amers.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 22: 11
    -1
    Quote: Alibekulu
    Quote: avant-garde
    4's found!

    Write me 7 soldier

    adopted by the Nazis recorded, a neighbor from the top write that he is also there. Che take the children will give you love
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 8 May 2013 22: 17
    -2
    You would be shot by freaks for not respecting the anthem of the USSR and the Russian Federation in Soviet times, but right now, sit in a hamster in these thieves already taking laughter)))) Here it is revealed who will celebrate the Great Victory Day tomorrow and who will cry ... Fu they only teach you !!
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 8 May 2013 23: 31
      0
      Pace, please shave
  • Canep
    Canep 8 May 2013 22: 39
    +8
    All with the coming day of the GREAT VICTORY. And in this market I do not want to participate anymore. I'm afraid to overburden.
    1. Such
      Such 8 May 2013 22: 58
      +2
      How to write komms tel?
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 8 May 2013 23: 14
    -2
    Russia will gladly accept all Russians from Central Asia, and let the Chuchmeks bring down to their home.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 9 May 2013 00: 02
      +2
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      and let the chuchmeks fall to their home

      and what does the Chuchmeks mean? Tipo from reproducing from the Chukchi? Just the first time I hear this))
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 9 May 2013 00: 26
    +1
    All people are brothers, but you need to take all the Russians to Russia, and the guys from Wed. Asia will be at home ...