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"In the entire post-Soviet space, they openly spit in historical memory": an interview with Konstantin Sivkov

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"In the entire post-Soviet space, they openly spit in historical memory": an interview with Konstantin Sivkov

Ukraine has revealed to the world one more precedent of rewriting stories World War II. Two Soviet divisions of the Great Patriotic War, who fought on the territory of the south of present-day Ukraine, became known as "Azerbaijani", and the soldiers and officers of these divisions were sons and daughters of the Azerbaijani people. Revisionism with an Azerbaijani slant triumphed in Ukraine, when in Nikolaev not long ago a monument was opened in honor of the soldiers of the 416-th Red Banner Division. The personnel of this division, where there were people from all over the USSR, recorded the well-wishers from Kiev and Baku “Azerbaijanis”. 7 of May of this year, the Azerbaijanis were also soldiers from the 77 th Simferopol Rifle Division. Sergo Ordzhonikidze, who liberated Crimea from Nazis in 1944 year. A monument with the inscription "Fearless sons and daughters of Azerbaijan, soldiers of the 7 th Red Banner Order of Suvorov of the Sergo Ordzhonikidze Division, participants of the Sapun-Gory assault" will be unveiled near Simferopol, in the historic site of Sapun-mountain on May 77. Konstantin Sivkov, Doctor of Military Sciences, captain of the first rank, vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems of the Russian Federation, outlined his viewpoint on the modern Ukrainian-Azerbaijani revisionism of the history of the Great Patriotic War.


BakuToday: In the case of the 77-th Simferopol Division, which took Sapun Mountain in the 1944 year and allegedly consisted of Azerbaijanis, there is an important detail. In the Crimea, during the Great Patriotic War, the 77 I Infantry Division, deployed in Baku in the 1920 year, was once deployed. This Azerbaijani division took part in the Kerch-Feodosiya operation of the Soviet troops, after which it was disbanded. Tell us why the disbandment of this division, which in fact was Azerbaijani, took place, and where did the Azeris mainly serve?

The Kerch-Feodosia offensive operation (CFD), conducted by the Red Army from December 1941 to May 1942, started well for the Red Army, but ended in disaster. 130 of thousands of people died, 170 of thousands were captured by the Germans. For the Wehrmacht opened direct roads to the Caucasus and Sevastopol. Why the well-planned and so successfully begun operation of the Red Army collapsed? I will talk about what I know.

When the Kerch-Feodosiya operation of the Soviet troops was taking place in the Crimea, Erich von Manstein commanded the troops of the Wehrmacht in the Crimea. In his memoirs, Manstein explained the reasons for the defeat of the Soviet troops during the CFD as follows: the Germans felt the weak point of the Soviet troops. According to the general, the connections formed in the Georgian and Azerbaijan SSR turned out to be a weak point of the Red Army.

Manstein recalled: German military intelligence found on the right flank of the Soviet troops divisions from Azerbaijanis and Georgians who were supposed to fulfill the task of covering the landing of the Soviet landing. The Wehrmacht command decided to deliver a massive blow to the Transcaucasian formations of the Red Army. But this blow was not needed. One strike of the diving bomber Yu-87 and the appearance of the German on a distant horizon were enough tanksso that the Transcaucasian formations of the Red Army took flight. Due to the flight of Soviet soldiers from the Transcaucasian formations, the offensive of the Red Army near Kerch choked. The front line was broken. Soviet troops lost their rear bases, and as a result, the operation was disrupted. Soviet troops left Crimea, and subsequently this led to the fall of Sevastopol. I do not want to say that the role of the Azerbaijani people in the Great Patriotic War was extremely passive. A lot of Azerbaijanis fought in those years, among them were Heroes of the Soviet Union.

REGNUM: What do you think as a military man about the dubious monuments put up by the Ukrainian authorities in honor of the 77-th Simferopol Division in Simferopol and in honor of the 416-division in Nikolaev? And on one monument, and on the other, the personnel of both divisions are universally attributed to the Azerbaijanis. But in these divisions people fought from all over the Soviet Union.

If we ignore the fact of forgery, the fact that Ukraine has set up monuments in honor of Azerbaijanis - a soldier of the Great Patriotic War, deserves approval. In the same Ukraine today, Bandera and other gangster vermin are shamefully honoring. When in Ukraine someone honors Soviet soldiers who cleared the Ukrainian land from the Nazis and their Bandera minions, this is already good. Especially in our time, when in the entire post-Soviet space they openly spit in historical memory. When they spit in history, they renounce the future.

REGNUM: What does the outrage of the historical memory of which you speak about turn for the peoples of the former USSR?

The people of Azerbaijan, thanks to the efforts of Heydar Aliyevich and Ilham Heydarovich, turned out to be in the Middle Ages. The Ukrainian people, thanks to the efforts of their independent government, was rejected in the beginning of the XIX century. In the entire post-Soviet space, people are not that morally suppressed, they are crushed. It is difficult to say who lives in the former USSR better, and who is worse off. Only small groups of people who appropriated billions in funds at the right time have the opportunity to live in the former USSR. These nouveau riche support nationalism in their own countries in the most primitive chauvinistic variant, when one "titular" people is opposed to another, "non-titular". The game of national-chauvinistic instincts is needed by the new elites of the post-Soviet space so that their own title peoples, brought to poverty, do not touch these very nouveau riches. Who has fists and an elastic conscience, that corrupt post-Soviet elites are attracted to national formations, that is to say, to organized gangs. For the rest of the people there are hollow demagogic slogans. A set of demagogic husks for each post-Soviet state of their own. Someone's name is in Europe, someone else somewhere. And the result is the same for all: the elites are robbing their peoples. In Ukraine, this is done not only by the clan "ladies with a scythe," but also by the environment of Viktor Yanukovich. In Azerbaijan, the Aliyevs are robbing their people. Former republics of Central Asia, once flourishing and developed, now - backward feudal khanates. Georgia under Ivanishvili lives the same way as under Saakashvili, Shevardnadze and Gamsakhurdia, that is, it is heading nowhere.

REGNUM: And Russia?

Russia, unfortunately, is also no different in this respect. Every year we are increasingly losing the sense of historical memory and spiritually degrading. You need to shout it out loud. But everyone is silent.
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  1. ale-x
    ale-x 8 May 2013 14: 55 New
    +9
    "Unfortunately, Russia is no different in this respect either. Every year we are increasingly losing our sense of historical memory and spiritually degrading. We must shout about it with all our voices. But everyone is silent."
    Exactly!!!
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 8 May 2013 15: 03 New
      44
      Yes, and the hell with them tired but in Yakutsk on the eve of Victory Day, they opened a monument to Stalin
      1. tixon444
        tixon444 8 May 2013 23: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: BARKAS
        Yes, and the hell with them tired but in Yakutsk on the eve of Victory Day, they opened a monument to Stalin

        Nifigasya! Well done! And where did the “swamp bogey” look?
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 8 May 2013 23: 38 New
          0
          They are still apparently not in the know! I can imagine for what period of time the “stink” and “howl” of the so-called “human rights defenders” and dermatocrats will spread!
          1. BARKAS
            BARKAS 8 May 2013 23: 47 New
            0
            They are aware that this is simply the territory of a diamond mining company, and they do not care about all the democrats!
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 9 May 2013 15: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: tixon444
          Nifigasya! Well done! And where did the “swamp bogey” look?

          so after all, where they opened - in Yakutsk. you yourself, members of the Forum, suggested - to send to Siberia “swamps and shit-democrats” At least one was exiled? here such individuals are not found in Siberia. Happy Victory Day
        3. stroporez
          stroporez 12 May 2013 11: 52 New
          0
          "Swamp desalination" and Yakutia -------- are practically incompatible. In any case of their own free will ...........
    2. starshina78
      starshina78 8 May 2013 20: 18 New
      +6
      A huge plus for your words! As recently as the day before yesterday, I saw a video in the Y-tube where reporters conducted blitz polls on the history of the war, not just anyone, but students at Moscow State University and other Moscow universities. It was a shame to watch. Confused in the start date of the Second World War, could not name a single major battle, not a single major military leader, and much more. But these students are considered the elite. What then to say about other young people? In many respects, it depends on how history is taught, on the interests of young people. They can play "Tanks" or another game - a simulator, and not know anything about the war. This is a game for them, and no more. Ask any of the youth if they are watching “Star,” few will say “Yes.” The rest will answer that they watch TNT and STS, other entertainment channels. This is very bad .
      1. yak69
        yak69 9 May 2013 01: 48 New
        +1
        And what do you want if about 35% of Russian citizens support the current government with their votes in the elections. The negative, which from year to year only intensifies, is the practical result of state policy in culture and education. Consistently, over and over, more and more liberals come to the Government of the Russian Federation - they exchange some for others, only the worse ones: Filipov, Fursenko replaced, now Lebanese; in the Ministry of Culture - replaced the shvydko, Avdeev, now the amoeba has generally arrived; in the Ministry of Health is even worse! And so everywhere you throw. The only appointment pleased this Shoigu in the Moscow Region.
        Where does he only find them, these geeks ?? !!
  2. Tarpon
    Tarpon 8 May 2013 14: 55 New
    +9
    Unfortunately, Russia is no different in this respect either. Every year we are increasingly losing our sense of historical memory and spiritually degrading.

    Alas.

    Shout it out loud

    We need a state approach to solving this issue (school, television, cinema, etc.).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 15: 09 New
      12
      Quote: Tarpon

      We need a state approach to solving this issue (school, television, cinema, etc.).

      The state has already carried out a reform of education in schools, now young people do not know who Zhukov is. Films also began to make delusional state money.
      1. Akim
        Akim 8 May 2013 18: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        young people do not know who Zhukov is

        They know. A young student told me that he played in Liquidation. laughing
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 12 May 2013 11: 57 New
          0
          well, what about wassat one declared that Byzantium was a great empire sho it already had three capitals ------- Tsargrad, Constantinople, Byzantium ..... mdya, and these are students ...........
      2. domokl
        domokl 8 May 2013 19: 38 New
        +8
        Guys, I read your comments and for some reason I want to give you a piece of rope and a remnant ... So as not to itch, but immediately honestly to the other world ...
        Yes, a lot of crap has grown and creeped out in Russia, but we are still alive ... We remember and do not allow it to decide who won and what is Victory. Yes, you, here on the site of the throat, are tearing provocateurs. So why do you agree that you nobody can decide anything ..
    2. karbofos
      karbofos 8 May 2013 15: 19 New
      +6
      everything goes to the fact that it is necessary to create a ministry of propaganda, no matter how wild it sounds. Well, you can call it something prettier. winked
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 8 May 2013 16: 01 New
        +6
        The Ministry of Propaganda in Russia is already working and it is very active only when it is located across the ocean, if you can even create your own ministry, it may well be headed by some sort of Chubysk. What progress is RT, VO and other separate honest voices, we must work in this direction. But propaganda does not need anything yet - just expose it, the visual truth will easily defeat the lie. Then they moaned overseas from RT.
        1. Joker
          Joker 8 May 2013 17: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Tarpon
          We need a state approach to solving this issue

          Quote: kalbofos
          everything goes to the need to create a ministry of propaganda

          Quote: Vladimirets
          Well, to hell with them, that means we have something to be proud of, but they don’t have everything, to share victories with idiots - do not respect yourself.

          Yeah, we all hope for a good king. Not tired?
          Hope further while this
          In Vologda, officials banned Soviet symbols on May 9 http://warfiles.ru/show-30515-v-vologde-chinovniki-zapretili-sovetskuyu-simvolik
          u-na-9-maya.html

          Will not be in every city. We will roll downhill until all the people stand up from the stoves and take up the forks. In another way. In the meantime, it’s great of course to sit at home and to be indignant on the Internet, only there’s no sense in it, no one will do anything for us, it’s time to understand this already, they are stuffing at the top of their pockets, they sit periodically throwing us gingerbread cookies so that they don’t rebel. We have the number of billionaires already in the United States, only here the GDP is 6 times lower, if this does not affect other aspects. There is no longer the USSR, there is no Russia, we live in incomprehensibly where and it is incomprehensible under whose leadership the country does not belong to us, the natural resources do not belong to us, the motherland, anyway, quickly forgot about its heroes, this is not the USA where they put a soldier who stepped on a nail monument, we have a lot of these monuments? Everyone knows that Shipunov, a genius in the arms business, recently died, has done so much for the country that many have not even dreamed of, so what? I wanted to see a documentary film about him, about his development, and you know, I didn’t find anything about him except the 5 minute interview, that's how we love the heroes. Yuri Gagarin, a lot of films about him? Zhukov, Suvorov, Kutuzov, there is nothing but films a hundred years ago. We ourselves got what we deserved by our carelessness and laziness. Us with gav..m mix daily, and we sit at home and are silent. Army, rearmament, and who will ride these new tanks and fly planes? We do not have normal institutions (as they study there, and so everyone understands) they made an army for a year, in a year only God willing, they learn the basics. And what will such an army do?
          1. Joker
            Joker 8 May 2013 17: 21 New
            +9
            We have missed the 2 generation, one is already dancing in churches, it is pouring mud on the USSR and the Soviet army. The next 2 generation, which will be even worse, is approaching, now we are already missing the third generation, which after which we will no longer be, if we miss it, we can say goodbye to what remains of our homeland. And for us, no one will change something, it is time to understand this, politicians, on the contrary, benefit from cattle, it is easier to manage and they do not ask questions. There are 2 options, or all, absolutely everything, go to rallies and, through a popular referendum, introduce the laws that we need and determine the directions in which we need to develop, or repeat the 1917. So far, the 1-th option is still possible, but soon it will will not. Putin sold 20% state. Rosneft’s shares to the British, it will sell another 30% and that’s all, the oil is no longer ours, and it is impossible to return it legally, since we joined the WTO thanks to St. Putin. Banks are not ours, oil is not ours, economy is not ours, then we will not be needed anymore. So here is a reason for you to think. And I advise you to watch the video.


            And one more thing, I advise you to watch a few conversations with this person, there is a channel about 15 video.

            1. annenkov242
              annenkov242 8 May 2013 18: 02 New
              +5
              I agree with you to the cry of the soul !!!!!!
              I’ll add, there is a struggle ... Kvachkov, Khabarov and more.
              What to do-!? We know how to communicate beautifully, before there was a kitchen, now the Internet! Nothing has changed, WE are surrendering Russia, WE !!! And this is the last generation that is able to protect the FUTURE. For our sake, our fathers and grandfathers perished in the second, it’s time for us to stand up to defend ourselves from enemies, and the same enemy is the “Olympic team”.
              1. Joker
                Joker 8 May 2013 18: 58 New
                +5
                The people simply can not or do not want to realize this, let’s miss the 3 generation and all. Either we will change everything over the next 10 years, or we will be destroyed from the inside. I didn’t just add a video with a veteran, he speaks very correct words. The current situation reminds me of the saying "until the thunder strikes a man crosses himself"
      2. the polar
        the polar 8 May 2013 16: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: kalbofos
        everything goes to the fact that it is necessary to create a ministry of propaganda, no matter how wild it sounds. Well, you can call it something prettier. winked


        But it already exists and is actively working, cutting budgetary billions. It is called the “Presidential Human Rights Council” and the “Presidential De-Stalinization-Desovetization Council”
        1. I think so
          I think so 9 May 2013 00: 06 New
          0
          This people has no future ... There will be leftovers on reservations like the current Indians to rot ... that’s the fate of this people ... conscientious, fair, sincere and trusting ... and the shameless, mean scum will use their property and also scoff at memory and victories ... of this people ... Oh Russian people ... sorry for you ...
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 8 May 2013 14: 57 New
    +9
    Disengage from the Great Victory? Honoring their traitors? Proud of their SS units? Well, to hell with them, that means we have something to be proud of, but they don’t have everything, to share victories with idiots - do not respect yourself.
  4. vadimN
    vadimN 8 May 2013 14: 59 New
    30
    "If the division has less than 60% of Russians, the division is subject to dissolution. It is not combat-ready."

    I.Kh. Bagramyan
    Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, holder of the seven orders of Lenin, Marshal of the Soviet Union.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 May 2013 15: 11 New
      10
      Quote: vadimN
      "If the division has less than 60% of Russians, the division is subject to dissolution. It is not combat-ready."

      And Saakashvilli didn’t even know laughing
    2. Canep
      Canep 8 May 2013 15: 11 New
      +3
      The 8th Panfilov Guards Division was formed in July-August 1941 as the 316th Rifle Division from Soviet citizens of the Kazakh SSR and the Kirghiz SSR. Among 28 Panfilovites, 5 are Kazakhs or Kyrgyz. I think in the division there were more than half of the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 8 May 2013 15: 50 New
        +7
        The national composition of the division was as follows:
        - Kyrgyz — 11 percent, Kazakhs —11, Russians — 67, Ukrainians — 8, the remaining 3 percent — representatives of other nationalities of the Soviet Union.
        http://www.vesti.kg/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=5923&Itemid=80


        In the Panfilov division there can not even be half of the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, in Kazakhstan the number of Kazakhs during the USSR was less than 40%.
        1. Canep
          Canep 8 May 2013 17: 22 New
          +3
          In Kazakhstan, there was a majority of Kazakhs before the war, 40% after the development of tsilina, evacuation, and the construction of large industrial enterprises.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 29 May 2013 14: 22 New
            0
            All right. According to the 1937 census, Kazakhs are the majority in the Kazakh SSR. Mass migration of Slavs happened already in the 50s and later.
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 8 May 2013 16: 31 New
          +2
          Liberasov's nonsense, no one has debunked anything, there was no myth.
          There was an article in the newspaper on the fact of the destruction of German tanks on the Volokolamsk highway and the mass heroism of Soviet soldiers. As usual, zhurnalyugi made some inaccuracies in the names and ranks of soldiers and commanders, and the official report looks a little different.
          But the fact of the battle and the stop of the Germans in this direction is incontrovertible.
          1. Seed
            Seed 8 May 2013 16: 34 New
            0
            It's time to grow up. All have been discussed a thousand times.

            In particular, these materials contain testimonies of the former commander of the 1075th Infantry Regiment I.V. Kaprov:

            ... There was no battle of 28 Panfilov’s with German tanks at the Dubosekovo junction on November 16, 1941 - this is a complete fiction. On this day, at the Dubosekovo junction as part of the 2nd battalion, the 4th company fought with German tanks, and really fought heroically. Over 100 people died from the company, and not 28, as was reported in the newspapers. None of the correspondents contacted me during this period; I never told anyone about the battle of 28 Panfilov’s, and I couldn’t speak, since there was no such battle. I did not write any political reports about this. I do not know on the basis of what materials they wrote in newspapers, in particular, in the Red Star, about the battle of 28 guardsmen from the division named after them. Panfilova. At the end of December 1941, when the division was set aside for formation, the correspondent of the Red Star Krivitsky came to me with the representatives of the political department of the division, Glushko and Egorov. Here I first heard about 28 Panfilov guardsmen. In a conversation with me, Krivitsky said that it was necessary that there were 28 Panfilov guards who fought with German tanks. I told him that the entire regiment, and especially the 4th company of the 2nd battalion, was fighting with German tanks, but I don’t know anything about the battle of the 28 guards ... Captain Gundilovich, who had conversations with him on this subject, gave the last name to Krivitsky, there were no documents about the battle of 28 Panfilov’s regiments and could not be. Nobody asked me about the names. Subsequently, after lengthy clarification of the names, it was only in April 1942 that ready-made award sheets and a general list of 28 guardsmen were sent to my regiment for signature from the division headquarters. I signed these sheets for awarding the 28 Guardsmen the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. I did not know who initiated the compilation of the list and award sheets for 28 guardsmen.
            1. annenkov242
              annenkov242 8 May 2013 18: 49 New
              +2
              [quote = Semenich] It's time to grow up. All have been discussed a thousand times.

              With age, old age or wisdom comes to a person. At the heart, old age comes to us and we seek the truth of "history." Tens of millions were brought up on these 28 Panfilov’s heroes. Perhaps not 100, but 1000 soldiers died there, defending the extreme frontiers of the Motherland, the ideologically correct decision was to tell about 28 heroes without eroding 1000. Forgive me, I do not want to offend, but this is already the background rewrite the history of the war. Do not be like low, having such a title name as - Semyon!
      3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 8 May 2013 19: 48 New
        0
        Do you think or know? these are different things ...
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 May 2013 16: 03 New
      +1
      At the same time, the name of the Marshal touches!
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 8 May 2013 21: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: vadimN
      "If the division has less than 60% of Russians, the division is subject to dissolution. It is not combat-ready."

      I.Kh. Bagramyan
      Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, holder of the seven orders of Lenin, Marshal of the Soviet Union.

      What are the national units during the war?! Continuously and nearby the troops were manned according to a mixed principle. Yes, in some separate units there may have been a predominance of immigrants from certain union republics, but this is rather the exception.
      And why divide the Great Victory into Russian, Armenian, Ukrainian ...
      (forgive me other nationalities, long list all)
      it TOTAL AND INDIVIDUAL
      Happy Victory Day!
      1. Gari
        Gari 9 May 2013 01: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        Yes, in some separate units there may have been a predominance of immigrants from certain union republics, but these are more likely exceptions.

        Yes there were exceptions
        89-I rifle Taman Red Banner Order of the Red Star Division. One of the 6 Armenian divisions (the most famous) in the USSR Armed Forces.
        In October 1943, the honorary title "Taman" was awarded for the performance of combat missions of the division.
        In April 1944, for the liberation of Kerch and Balaclava. The division received the Order of the Red Star for participating in this operation.
        The Crimean operation, and in particular the Sevastopol campaign in May of the same year brought the division the Order of the Red Banner.

        The 89-th Armenian Taman thrice-bearing rifle division - the only one of all national formations took part in the Storm of Berlin [2], and defeated a strong garrison, which was strengthened in the center of the capital, in Humboldt-Hein. For this operation, the division was awarded the Order of Kutuzov II degree.

        In total, during the war the division traveled 7250 km, of which 3640 - with battles. Freed more than 900 settlements. More than 12 thousand soldiers were awarded orders and medals, 9 of them became Heroes of the Soviet Union.

        Quote: Corsair
        And why divide the Great Victory into Russian, Armenian, Ukrainian ...
        (forgive me other nationalities, long list all)
        she is TOTAL AND INDIVIDUAL
        Happy Victory Day!


        But I completely agree with this !!!

        All a Happy holiday !!!!
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 9 May 2013 01: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Gari
          89-I rifle Taman Red Banner Order of the Red Star Division. One of the 6 Armenian divisions (the most famous) in the USSR Armed Forces.


          Quote: Gari
          The 89-th Armenian Taman thrice-bearing rifle division - the only one of all national formations took part in the Storm of Berlin [2], and defeated a strong garrison, which was strengthened in the center of the capital, in Humboldt-Hein. For this operation, the division was awarded the Order of Kutuzov II degree.


          Listen to Gari, there were no Armenian divisions, let alone Azerbaijani divisions. All divisions were Soviet. It’s enough to carry nonsense here. Until there are no links, there will be minuses from me.
          The victory over fascism was a general one.
          1. Gari
            Gari 9 May 2013 02: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Apollon
            Listen to Gari, there were no Armenian divisions, let alone Azerbaijani divisions. All divisions were Soviet. It’s enough to carry nonsense here. Until there are no links, there will be minuses from me.
            The victory over fascism was a general one.

            And no one argues that victory was a common
            and the Great Army was common, only a national division was created, and you think you know very well, I did not write this article, Here is one of the links,
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/89-стрелковая_дивизия_(2-го_формирования)
            By the way, I have never set cons
            We thought we respected each other no matter what.

            Happy holiday to you
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 29 May 2013 15: 56 New
        +1
        In addition to the usual divisions, national ones were also formed. I do not know how in other republics, but in Kazakhstan, in addition to license plates of type 312, 316, purely national Kazakh brigades (infantry and cavalry) were also formed. They were called - "101st Kazakh National Rifle Brigade", or, for example, "106th Kazakh Cavalry Brigade", etc. The rank-and-file composition was 100% Kazakhs, the command staff was as much as possible. The 101st and 102nd fell completely under Rzhev, the 106th - near Kharkov, etc.
        So there were national units in the Red Army.
  5. Canep
    Canep 8 May 2013 15: 03 New
    +9
    In vain the author is so about the whole post-Soviet space, not a single monument has been demolished in Kazakhstan, but on the contrary new ones are being erected. And the Russians do not need to think that we (in Kazakhstan) have feudalism, Internet television, 3G, everything is there, the standard of living is slightly lower than the Russian one, and there is no such income gap as between Moscow and the province. The average salary in the regions differs no more than 2.5 times, and not Astana but the West Kazakhstan region are in the lead.
    1. Renat
      Renat 8 May 2013 15: 19 New
      +5
      By the way, tomorrow, Kazakhstan will also host a parade in honor of Victory Day.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 8 May 2013 16: 12 New
        +2
        Also with technology?
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 May 2013 16: 12 New
      +3
      The author simply averaged the situation; no one thinks that everything is so bad in Kazakhstan. In a nutshell, there is no room for details.
  6. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 8 May 2013 15: 06 New
    12
    In Russia, dirty slander about the "cult of personality" and the "Stalinist repressions", spread all over the world by the bald maize, is still in use.
    At the Victory Day celebrations, the name of Stalin is hushed up and his portraits are missing instead of Stalin. The Commander-in-Chief is shoved through the mediocre Zhukov, who was one of the not the best performers among the commanders.
    This dirty lie is messing with the whole history of the USSR and gives rise to many slanderous fabrications.
    The de-Stalinizer Dima and his team are objectively enemies of Russia and the Russian people, so that they don’t think of themselves.
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 8 May 2013 15: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Corsair5912
      In Russia, dirty slander about the "cult of personality" and "Stalinist repression" is still in use ...


      I agree with everything except one: Dima is not the main de-Stalinizer.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 8 May 2013 15: 54 New
        0
        So they say that Vovik is now working as the leader of a flock of Siberian Cranes, he led them south for the winter, and in his place the Siberian Crane is sitting. Soon the Siberian Cranes will return and Vova will sit in its former place
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 8 May 2013 17: 10 New
          +2
          It can and so - can with smelt, and can with Siberian Cranes.

          But there are rumors in the Kremlin’s offices that it’s not the matter of the animal, but that Vova shouldn’t stay here:
  7. Seed
    Seed 8 May 2013 15: 07 New
    -12
    Whats up all. Everything in the article is written correctly. But an important point was missed - colaborationism in the republics, including in the Baltic states, was justified. They also hated Bolshevism. Is it any wonder that the Germans were met in Lithuania as liberators from the Russian occupation? Or, for example, Belarus and Minsk, where the whole color of the intelligentsia was repressed before the war? The question is complex.
    1. MVS
      MVS 8 May 2013 15: 54 New
      +7
      Quote: Semenich
      colaborationism in the republics, including the Baltic states, is justified.

      Betrayal cannot be justified by anything.
      Quote: Semenich
      Or, for example, Belarus and Minsk, where the whole color of the intelligentsia was repressed before the war?

      Belarus did not meet Germans with flowers. Have you heard of the partisan movement?
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 8 May 2013 16: 02 New
      +4
      Minsk, where the whole color of the intelligentsia was repressed before the war?

      It is necessary to add color repressed in Belarus Polish intelligentsia and those who collaborated with the Polish occupiers and punishers.
      There was no national enmity between the USSR, the Baltic states, western Ukraine, and Belarus, there were social differences. The USSR and the Bolsheviks hated the parasitic classes, and not the working people.
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 May 2013 16: 18 New
      +4
      Soviet troops were also greeted as liberators. I can’t say anything about the ratios, but there are all sorts of them. What are the allegations of veterans that after the war in the Baltic states without weapons, officers were forbidden to go out for many years.
    4. DPN
      DPN 8 May 2013 16: 25 New
      +4
      THEREFORE, the Brest Fortress also held on, otherwise Hitler would have walked in the Urals.
  8. Black
    Black 8 May 2013 15: 12 New
    +2
    Every year we are increasingly losing our sense of historical memory and spiritually degrading.
    I do not agree. Did Russia lose its historical memory? How is this manifested? I, Cossack, I believe that we are on the contrary, restore that. what they tried to erase.
    And what happens in the national republics is growth diseases.

    Here we often talk about Georgia ... Saka-, there are no questions, but ..
    1. For 2-3 years they dealt such a blow to crime that it doesn’t come back soon. (Budzina, however, loosened the reins, I just want to ask, I need to see the investments. The loot doesn't smell)
    2. The police began to believe
    3. The civil service works like a clock, on the border, for example, miracles of order
    4. corruption is frayed like a rag
    5. The involvement of the intellectual of Europe.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 8 May 2013 16: 21 New
      +2
      Growth of what? Growth?
      5. The involvement of the intellectual of Europe.

      Then I don’t even know what to say!
  9. Renat
    Renat 8 May 2013 15: 18 New
    0
    And what does this monument look like? Is there a heel sparkling or what else is shining?
  10. Seed
    Seed 8 May 2013 15: 24 New
    -7
    Corsair5912
    Should I remind you of the millions of reprinted? And the dead from starvation? And those who died in the war with Finland? And dispossessed, and deported peoples?

    My great-great-grandfather and great-grandfather dispossessed.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 8 May 2013 16: 26 New
      +6
      You would first find out how many people were really repressed and why they were repressed, and then you asked questions. (Http://www.hrono.ru/statii/2001/zemskov.php)
      From starvation in the territory of the Russian (and not only Russian) empire, tens and hundreds of thousands of people died every year, this didn’t especially bother anyone. Why do you think that the famine of 1889 was better than the famine of 1920 or 1932? The reasons are the same, crop failure.
      There can be no war without the dead if the Red Army in 1940 had not destroyed the Finnish army, in 1941 it would have hit Leningrad, Arkhangelsk and Murmansk, even more people would have died.
      Do you know what the Narodites deported for? Ever wondered how much they brutally massacred the Russian population? For the crimes that they committed in alliance with the Germans, almost the entire male population of these peoples, according to the laws of wartime, deserved a noose. Stalin felt sorry for them, broke the law, and we got the bloody results of his mercy.
      The dispossessed accounted for 1.8% of the total number of peasants, they were mainly active opponents of collectivization and the Soviet regime, of course there were mistakes, my grandfather was dispossessed, they didn’t send them anywhere, only they took away their house and property, but after a year they canceled this decision as not legal and taken to the collective farm.
      But for him it was still a tragedy.
      1. Seed
        Seed 8 May 2013 16: 33 New
        -3
        Work on the Communist Party training manual? The "enemies of the people" were repressed, with whom they appointed everyone in a row. Fists: http://stalinism.narod.ru/docs/repress/kulak.htm
        According to the human rights organization Memorial, there were between 11-12 and 38-39 million people. Of them:
        4,5 million - were convicted and executed or imprisoned for political reasons,
        6,5 million - were deported,
        4 million were deprived of suffrage,
        6-7 million - died of hunger,
        18 million - became victims of the so-called labor decrees.
        Do you know the scale?
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 8 May 2013 18: 21 New
          +3
          Do not make people laugh. Memorial operates direct payment from Washington
          and their calculations are directly dependent on funding.
          How much they say, so many repressed and read.
    2. DPN
      DPN 8 May 2013 16: 42 New
      +5
      There was such a film actor, GEORGE ZHZHENOV, the People’s Artist of the USSR was in camps, I don’t remember why, after the collapse of the UNION, he showed on television not so distant places. Not one bad word about Stalin did not say. ZATO now, all of which, you don't talk nasty things.
      Great-grandfather was dispossessed, but he didn’t touch you and got a free education, and they would now be sitting under the Germans, but not everyone who could survive.
      1. Seed
        Seed 8 May 2013 16: 49 New
        -7
        Comrade Sralin killed a couple of tens (!) Million people. More questions? It's time to grow up and soberly appreciate the story.
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      1. Seed
        Seed 8 May 2013 17: 15 New
        -6
        You love Sralina, not me. Get ready, you’ll go to Solovki.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 8 May 2013 18: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Semenich
          Comrade Sralin killed a couple of tens (!) Million people. More questions? It's time to grow up and soberly appreciate the story.


          Yes, he crushed Memorial - they used to yell at hundreds of millions, but now they whisper about 3 dozen.
          In the early 90s, many squealed about hundreds of millions, but only 3.8 million repressed over 30 years could only count, and no matter how hard they tried, more than a half million could not be rehabilitated. laughing

          You, before flogging nonsense, climbed onto the site of the rehabilitation commission. fool
        2. annenkov242
          annenkov242 8 May 2013 19: 13 New
          +4
          Quote: Semenich
          You love Sralina, not me. Get ready, you’ll go to Solovki.


          STALIN is our story, not yours, and we are proud of it !!!
          And you offended offspring, one destiny, stand in line for Dima, diligently serving the "Olympic reptilians." Pick up the drool, and don’t poke wherever you poke ...!
    4. the polar
      the polar 8 May 2013 17: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Semenich
      Corsair5912
      Should I remind you of the millions of reprinted? And the dead from starvation? And those who died in the war with Finland? And dispossessed, and deported peoples?

      My great-great-grandfather and great-grandfather dispossessed.

      You will continue to shake dandruff and you will be sent to the ancestors
    5. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 8 May 2013 21: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: Semenich
      Should I remind you of the millions of reprinted? And the dead from starvation?

      Let's start in chronological order, dispossession, famine, political terror, the wave of repression 35-37g, a new round of repression after the 17th Congress and so on. Then what? Why should all this be tied? Read carefully the documents on how the Baltic republics became part of the USSR, not those fantastic inventions of modern politicians and historians, namely archival documents. (Solzhenitsyn is not one of those).
  11. erased
    erased 8 May 2013 15: 25 New
    12
    Who has the opportunity-scolds the USSR, and for good money. These are the enemies.
    But those who follow them repeats nonsense - fools. Both of these are enough. Moreover, most are in power.
    1. DPN
      DPN 8 May 2013 16: 15 New
      +3
      BEAUTIFUL, correctly noticed !! +++
    2. Joker
      Joker 8 May 2013 17: 35 New
      +3
      Come on, not everything was good in the USSR either. There is something to blame for Stalin.
      1. gremlin1977
        gremlin1977 8 May 2013 22: 36 New
        +1
        and here you are in its place as you would act. for some ten years he could have been able to industrialize, re-equip the army. Or wiped it off .. Big changes, big bloods are given (Peter the First). Or he is also so-so.
      2. tixon444
        tixon444 8 May 2013 23: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Joker
        Come on, not everything was good in the USSR either. There is something to blame for Stalin.

        Scolding Stalin "marsh bogey" and their singers. At the same time, Stalin's merits are silent. And they are such that we all can only dream of - for some 20 years to raise the country to the level of a Great Power and defeat the monstrous force of fascist evil - who is capable of this today ?! Yes, the victims were not without, yes, they are huge ... But if he would chew snot and spread such a level of corruption as now, then the question is: what nationality would we belong to, the Germans? And who would now knock on the keyboard instead of us?
        Happy Victory Day!
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 9 May 2013 00: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Joker
          Come on, not everything was good in the USSR either. There is something to blame for Stalin.

          Quote: tixon444
          Scolding Stalin "marsh bogey" and their singers. At the same time, Stalin's merits are silent.

          Joker right - not everything is so simple ...
          From an interview with Arnold Mary Hero of the Soviet Union:
          "he does not consider the accession of Estonia to the USSR in July 1940 of the year as occupation. However, he does not consider the accession of the Baltic countries to the USSR as voluntary, as Soviet historiography interpreted this event ...
          To the alliance with the Third Reich, the then authorities pulled the country quite definitely, although it seemed Germans in the six hundred previous years of their actual domination and dominance in all spheres of life here could not stand. When, by secret agreement with the USSR, in 1939, the Reich removed all the local Germans from the Baltic, they even joked: Hitler needed to erect a monument for finally freed us from the "barons."
          And really, on the eve of joining the USSR, Estonia was split: the Soviet Union and the idea of ​​establishing Soviet power had no less supporters than opponents. Moreover, among the supporters there was a large part of the intelligentsia of Estonia, scientific and creative
          Another thing is that in less than a year from July 40 to the Nazi invasion, the Soviet authorities forced themselves to “love” so much that the Estonians vividly forgot about the 600-year-old domination of the Germans and overwhelmingly welcomed their return. And this Mary does not deny, because he saw with his own eyes.
          But only now in the 22 m territorial rifle corps of the Red Army formed on the basis of the Estonian bourgeois army, in which he fought, in a few weeks after the outbreak of war, of eight thousand Estonians, 610 remained. Everyone else went over to the Germans. It is a fact. But then again: how did those who stayed fight!
          .........................................
        2. Joker
          Joker 9 May 2013 02: 34 New
          +2
          And this type I get drisnya? lol Stalin was certainly a great man, he did a lot for the USSR, BUT there were mistakes.
          Yes, there were no victims, yes, they are huge


          You talk about it like this everyday, like wood chips are flying.
          But if he would chew snot and spread such a level of corruption as now, then the question is: what nationality would we belong to, the Germans?

          Firstly, Stalin was also mistaken, because he was friends with Hitler if, even after Hitler’s betrayal, he became depressed, because he did not expect this, then he gathered. and how many of our scouts have reported that Germany is targeting the USSR? But he didn’t believe any of them, and these people, who sacrificing their lives, were extracting intelligence now in the dustbin of history. And many many others who were repressed in the postwar period. Stalin can’t be called unequivocally good or bad, he did a lot for the country, but he was also mistaken.
          And who would now knock on the keyboard instead of us?


          I think we wouldn’t be there at all.

          Happy Victory Day!


          Mutually drinks
  12. elmir15
    elmir15 8 May 2013 15: 31 New
    +6
    Why do articles about neighboring states so badly come up to us so often? Yes, there are multiple problems: affecting the interests of Russia, oppression of the Russian-speaking population, etc. but do we have less problems? The government should deal with these problems, and they have “leverage”. And we need to clean up our environment. And then it seems that they intend to try to distract us from their problems and occupy our attention with other people's problems, while clicking on the sick.
  13. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 8 May 2013 15: 34 New
    +6
    And I heartily congratulate all like-minded people and opponents on the Military Review website on the great and main holiday of our country - Victory Day!
  14. medwed1976
    medwed1976 8 May 2013 15: 48 New
    +9


    Happy Victory Day !!!
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  16. Ppsh
    Ppsh 8 May 2013 16: 08 New
    +9
    The article is nonsense!
    Firstly: Sapun-mountain is located not under Simferopol, but under Sevastopol!
    Secondly: a monument to the soldiers of the 77th Simferopol Division has been standing under Sapun Mountain since Soviet times, as are the monuments to 414 Georgian and 89 Armenian divisions.
    Thirdly: no one disputes the fact that representatives of different nationalities were in national formations. Because the name is determined by the place of formation.
    Fourth: to erect monuments to soldiers who died in battle is a good deed ...
    P.S. My uncle was called up from Simferopol precisely in the 77th s.d. He was not Azerbaijani and died in the Baltic in the fall of the 44th ....
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 8 May 2013 16: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: PPSh
      Secondly: a monument to the soldiers of the 77th Simferopol Division has been standing under Sapun Mountain since Soviet times, as are the monuments to 414 Georgian and 89 Armenian divisions.


      And there is! I remember these monuments
    2. Stoic
      Stoic 8 May 2013 18: 35 New
      +4
      So your uncle was in the 77th SD named after Sergo Ordzhenikidze. And on the monument is written "fearless sons and daughters of Azerbaijan."
      Those. either your uncle is the son of Azerbaijan, or the monument is not for him ...
      And the 77th, for information, was formed in Dagestan, and had nothing to do with Azerbaijan. The first 77th, which was formed in Baku in 1920, was disbanded in 1942, after significant losses of personnel in the Kerch-Feodosia operation, and its remnants became part of the 216th division.
      They would write on the memorial "In memory of soldiers of 77 SD participants in the assault on the Sapun Mountains", no - the Caspian gold-toothed ambassadors, like Heydar Aliyev before them in the 70s, when this monument was only erected, would definitely have to see the inscription - "Azerbaijan"
      My opinion is unfair.
  17. Seed
    Seed 8 May 2013 16: 10 New
    -10
    Betrayal cannot be justified by anything.

    Betrayal of whom? Bolshevik occupiers?
    Belarus did not meet Germans with flowers. Have you heard of the partisan movement?

    There are no flowers, but there was almost no resistance. The Bolshevik Communists fled into the woods, kept in touch with Moscow. The population of these same partisans did not like. I know what I'm talking about, my great-grandmother lived in the occupied territory.

    Here is a photo of Minsk
    It should be added that the color of the Polish intelligentsia and those who collaborated with the Polish occupiers and punishers were repressed in Belarus.

    It's a lie. First of all, what kind of mythical "Polish" intelligentsia are they? Did you just come up with it yourself? The most Belarusian.
    There was no national enmity between the USSR, the Baltic states, western Ukraine, and Belarus, there were social differences. The USSR and the Bolsheviks hated the parasitic classes, and not the working people.

    Do you work by training manual?
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 8 May 2013 16: 52 New
      +5
      It's a lie. First of all, what kind of mythical "Polish" intelligentsia are they? Did you just come up with it yourself? The most Belarusian.

      Yes, you are completely dark, this is the statement of the Polish government that the “color of the Polish intelligentsia” was destroyed in Katyn. And these Poles were caught just in Western Belarus. So prove to Kaczynski that this is a lie.
      Do you work by training manual?

      Why do I need a training manual I have visited more than once in those parts during the Soviet era, I have friends and relatives there. What do you think, Pribludian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian peasants were against the Soviet regime, which freed them from the pansian collar. You are not far from the mind, my friend.
      1. Seed
        Seed 8 May 2013 17: 05 New
        -3
        Yes, you are completely dark, this is the statement of the Polish government that the “color of the Polish intelligentsia” was destroyed in Katyn. And these Poles were caught just in Western Belarus.

        Did you skip classes at school? Firstly, you do not distinguish officers and intellectuals, and secondly, repressions were carried out in Belarus in the 30s. Thirdly, where does the Polish intelligentsia? We are about Belarus.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 8 May 2013 18: 30 New
          +3
          And we are talking about Belarus. There were no repressions in Belarus, and there was no Belarus either, there was a single Soviet Union.
          But the Polish intelligentsia, despite the fact that half of Belarus until 1939 was occupied by the Poles, and only there the Natsiks screamed and are now screaming about the repression.
          Intellectuals, this Mr. nation, has always infringed on them Faberge in their lives and they always scream about repression and occupiers, especially the smelly "national intelligentsia."
  18. DPN
    DPN 8 May 2013 16: 14 New
    +5
    YAKUTAN FELLOWS, Correctly did NO without STALIN VICTORY, but COUNTRY WITHOUT THE LEADER TO WIN THE WAR, appeared tagged and the UNION was gone.
    WITHOUT STALIN and VICTORY take away, the Soviet people fought and NOT RUSSIA. Imagine there would be no BELARUS with us wherever the Nazis were in 41 years. So enough STALIN scold and hawty. NO HISTORY without him.

    It seems that the BASIC part of the POPULATION has become a rich bourgeoisie, if everything is SOVIET it has become bad.
    THANKS TO THE YAKUTIANS !! AUTHORITY allowed to scream the USSR, as a result of the defeated Koryt as in a TALE.
    1. Seed
      Seed 8 May 2013 16: 17 New
      -9
      Stalin is an aggressor, and responsibility lies with him. Who attacked Poland? What about the pact? What about Finland? Kokoy loving Stalin. Hero, in short. Stalin is to blame and scold for what. Did someone die in the camps in your family?
      1. DPN
        DPN 8 May 2013 16: 54 New
        +3
        The bastards and the bastards saw enough where the convicts won the war. Now, too, about a million are in prison and probably also are dying. Not everyone likes this life.
        I do not put a minus.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 8 May 2013 18: 43 New
          +3
          -----------------
      2. olegyurjewitch
        olegyurjewitch 8 May 2013 21: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: DPN
        Seed BY

        However, why are you flying the flag of Belarus? You are not only ignorant in the general history, but also in the history of Belarus. How old are you? My grandfather and his brothers, as well as cousins ​​and brothers are repressed. My father, as the son of an enemy of the people from six years old on boarding schools, with a living mother, good in one city, this did not stop him from acquiring a qualified profession, joining the party, becoming teacher, to contribute to culture and much more. I personally, after the death of my father, according to archival data, I also found a camp where my grandfather was sitting, and after rehabilitation, I received documents from the CCA with a sentence and storyline. And what? Stalin is to blame? He alone all spread rot, but at the historical moment, at the situation of that time, at the psychology of the people of that time, at the vision of the world in the conditions of that historical situation in which the USSR was at that time, at the political situation, again of that time, don't give a damn about it? Order thoughts in your head and add reality to them.
        About Poland. Look at the territories that the USSR left and see how these territories became Polish after the First World War, and I also advise you to read the prerequisites that preceded the conclusion of the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact.
        1. gremlin1977
          gremlin1977 8 May 2013 22: 42 New
          +2
          But he wouldn’t be a Belarusian, otherwise he would talk about Psheks and Lithuanians — where are the Chechens?
  19. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 8 May 2013 16: 20 New
    0
    Quote: erased
    Who has the opportunity-scolds the USSR, and for good money. These are the enemies.
    But those who follow them repeats nonsense - fools. Both of these are enough.


    +++ That's for sure!
    Quote: erased
    Moreover, most are in power.
    But I would write it like this = in front of a portrait of Putin
    sitting fat cow
    with glasses on the nose
    eats the state budget.
  20. AdAAkRuSS
    AdAAkRuSS 8 May 2013 17: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: elmir15
    And then it seems that they intend to try to distract us from their problems and occupy our attention with other people's problems, while clicking on the sick.
    You are wrong, the rewriting of our common history is not a stranger’s problem and not so much our common, namely our personal problem. Because all this dirty lies and slander fly to Russia and the Russian people, who not only survived and defeated this the most terrible war, but also paid very dearly for this victory!
  21. DPN
    DPN 8 May 2013 17: 06 New
    +1
    They just divided us, and they fought with the family of the union, in Soviet times there were Zvezda, Farhad’s films about tank crews who went to the armored train ram in a tank, and also about Kiev dynamo, which was recently shot in a new way and educated young people.
  22. PValery53
    PValery53 8 May 2013 17: 58 New
    +3
    It would be better if our cinema brands (film creatures) didn’t make films about the war, didn’t trash the memory of our veterans ... Our old films are about heroism, longing for peace, and relish! .. And the present ones are for you! “Ugh! .. Even they stuck a disc-jockey grip - they scraped a record on the gramophone with a needle!” “They would have smashed their faces for it in those days!”
  23. Sinbad
    Sinbad 8 May 2013 18: 07 New
    +1
    Most important: Congratulations to all on the Great Victory Day in the Great Patriotic War against the Nazi occupiers!
    Now about the sad: reading articles and comments, I understand that the war did not end on September 3, 1945, it continues to this day, and is gaining momentum. The enemy has become more sophisticated, acting with the wrong hands, from around the corner, using greed, ambition and human stupidity.
    But remember: "Our cause is just! Victory will be ours." - I.V. Stalin
  24. pinecone
    pinecone 8 May 2013 18: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    In vain the author is so about the whole post-Soviet space, not a single monument has been demolished in Kazakhstan, but on the contrary, new ones are being erected.

    And how do you explain the demolition of the monument to Ermak?
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 29 May 2013 13: 59 New
      -1
      The Kazakhs tried to remove the monument to Yermak back in Soviet times. What is called “annexation of Siberia” for Russian history is called an invasion for Kazakhs. The Siberian Khanate was ruled by Kazakh Genghisides, and the main population of Western Siberia is 100% the same kind that make up the clan structure of the Kazakhs of the Middle Zhuz (Northern Kazakhstan) - Naimans, Argyns, Kerey, Kipchaks and others.
      Ermak for Kazakhs is a real enemy and a rapist. Let us put a monument to Batu Khan (Batu in your opinion) in Ryazan, and then we will sincerely be surprised that local residents do not like him ...

      As for the monuments dedicated to the Soviet army, their number is not only not decreasing, but also increasing. In Kazakhstan, it would never occur to anyone to reconsider their view of this part of history. Although the Soviet period itself is perceived ambiguously. However, not everyone in Russia thinks that the Bolsheviks are nannies, that Lenin and Stalin are white and fluffy. And not everyone in Russia forgot how much Russian blood was shed in Russia at that time. Or am I wrong?
  25. individual
    individual 8 May 2013 19: 03 New
    0
    Look who is being minus, Most of them are not in the right place. They belong to the ranks of swamp figures and their propagandists Svanidze, Pivovarov, Mlechins and Co.
  26. kind
    kind 8 May 2013 19: 06 New
    0
    34 Simferopol Division them. Sergo Ordzhonikidze, until recently, was stationed in Yekaterinburg. Is she by chance the successor of the 77th division?
  27. annenkov242
    annenkov242 8 May 2013 19: 35 New
    +4
    Guys!!! Russia is advancing, not without betrayal, but it is advancing. There are noble goals that, for the most part, the world has lost while serving the ideals of "reptilians." Write more positive, maybe unpleasant, but positive way, because you want to be heard, and Muscovites ... whether you deserve attention. Russia is moving forward, let's help by clearing the road!
  28. Celmz
    Celmz 8 May 2013 20: 39 New
    +2
    The article minusanula- for the title, maybe somewhere in the upper venal layers and spit- but in general, the people, the Soviet people -be proud, rejoice and celebrate this bright holy holiday of Victory, comrades with the upcoming Victory Day.
  29. dmb
    dmb 8 May 2013 21: 10 New
    +4
    It’s interesting, why the bright representative of “fighters against totalitarianism” from fraternal Belarus does not remember about dad and mom. and he sings more and more about dispossessed great-grandfathers and great-great-grandmothers who were violently rejoicing at the German arrival. I’m afraid that dad and mom just don’t know about their parents’s biography and don’t know that their dear child, deciding to just "stand out from the crowd", is pouring mud on their loved ones. I fully admit that dad, having read these sons' delights, would take off his belt and correct his own omissions in education. Not only the style of presentation (young creative creatures as a rule poke at strangers) suggests the wrestler’s insanity, but also an analysis of what is written. Presumably, the creative maximum of 20 years. Simple arithmetic-demographic calculations immediately suggest that grandfather, if he was dispossessed with his great-grandfather at the beginning of the 40, was only in a drip-liquid state.
    1. gremlin1977
      gremlin1977 8 May 2013 22: 50 New
      0
      For information, not one Belarusian was dispossessed until the 40th year due to the fact that everyone was under Poland. And there the division was simple, pans and lackeys. For Belarusians, their language and writing was prohibited in Poland, possession of land plots and much more why. They couldn’t dispossess them, they dispossessed only of the panov. And this sooner of all of them, too, or some Lithuanian.
  30. PValery53
    PValery53 8 May 2013 21: 33 New
    +1
    I congratulate all veterans of the Great Patriotic War, citizens of Russia and former Soviet republics, former allies, respecting the great feat of the Soviet people, on Victory Day !! Eternal memory to the Heroes.
  31. Conepatus
    Conepatus 8 May 2013 21: 53 New
    0
    I have only one question.
    Who is Konstantin Sivkov?
  32. gremlin1977
    gremlin1977 8 May 2013 22: 53 New
    0
    And I have one, CHE for Semenych such, where did he get out
  33. baku1999
    baku1999 9 May 2013 00: 16 New
    0
    GLORY TO HEROES OF WAR AND ETERNAL MEMORY OF EVERYONE DIED FOR OUR MOTHERLAND, USSR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  34. Russky
    Russky 9 May 2013 00: 30 New
    0
    The memory of the victorious country is sacred. Obviously, someone really needs to humiliate the former Great Country, which liberated the world from the fascist plague. And most of all the blow is struck precisely on youth. Little corruption, degradation, and destruction of national memory. Therefore, they are swinging at the patriarchal memory of the feat!
  35. Cossack_grater
    Cossack_grater 9 May 2013 02: 58 New
    0
    Every year we are increasingly losing our sense of historical memory and spiritually degrading. This must be shouted loudly. But everyone is silent.
    Quote: baku1999
    GLORY TO HEROES OF WAR AND ETERNAL MEMORY OF EVERYONE DIED FOR OUR MOTHERLAND, USSR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  36. 123tank
    123tank 9 May 2013 04: 22 New
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    Ukrainians have always had a national itch in all parts of the body. You can recall Shelest in Soviet times. You must introduce a visa regime for them.
  37. individual
    individual 9 May 2013 06: 49 New
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    To stop the national itch in all parts of the Russian environment, you must periodically remind yourself. For a long time they did not take Paris, Berlin, or it was time to cross the English Channel.
    Then the other allies will be pulled to the Army and Navy.

    HAPPY FOR YOU, HAPPY GREAT VICTORY DAY !!!
  38. stroporez
    stroporez 9 May 2013 11: 25 New
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    obschestvo !!!!!!!!!!!!!! you saw today the faces of veterans at the VICTORY Parade !!!!!! ??? Well, this is how one should be stubborn, to offer to cancel it !!!!!!!! ??????? The parade should be at least for the sake of such persons !!!!!!!!! with a HOLIDAY FOR VICTORY !! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!