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Siberia does not deceive the Chinese

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Is Chinese expansion threatening Russia and what can we expect from its eastern neighbor? Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Deputy Director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations (IMEMO) Vasily Mikheyev answers questions.


- Vasily Vasilyevich, do our people really fear the Chinese so in vain?

- People do not need to be afraid, there is no expansion. Just someone writes some stories, and some media replicate them without knowing anything.
- Maybe today they are afraid of more expansion from the Near and Middle East than from the Far. But such a giant as China, you can not hide anywhere. Just this fear is changing in some way. In late Soviet times, I remember, very much feared a real war with China. “Let's start with the big one”: Is the Chinese government claiming Russian territory today?

- No, absolutely not claim. At our official level, the issue of the border has been finally resolved.

- You know, "at the official level," the question of the border was once and for us resolved with Germany.

- It can not be compared, because there is a completely different geopolitical situation. The completely different nature of political regimes in Stalin’s USSR and in Hitler’s Germany, on the one hand, and in modern China, on the other. So the argument is wrong.

Inside China, indeed, sometimes there are some publications with maps, on which a part of Russia is “their territory”. But according to the same logic, the government of India could grasp at one time the call of one of our politicians to wash their boots in the waters of the Indian Ocean and conclude from this that Russia is claiming Indian territory. However, India did not worry.

War with China will not be for a simple reason: China has become a normal country. Therefore, there all the problems are normal, like in other countries. Including problems with natural resources, and with ecology. The Chinese know about their problems and try to solve them - sometimes successfully, sometimes not so much. But not by war.

- As to whether all countries are “normal,” there are many different opinions, including our own. The Russian Federation is a country with a very large territory and a relatively small, aging population. And next is a giant with an unprecedented population in the world, an order of magnitude higher than ours. There may be no wars in the direct sense of the word - today people are afraid that "we will be squeezed out demographically."

- We have, as we know very well, a very large country with a very poorly developed infrastructure, especially in the Far East. And, if we finish talking to the end, very few people may want to move here.

As for the northeast of China, which borders on the Russian Far East, it is also a huge country. And also sparsely populated.

- Really? This is Manchuria ...

- Imagine, yes, and Manchuria, and not only - two districts. There 110 million people in total live.

- This is called "all"? Yes, it is almost the same as in the whole of Russia.

- We put, so. But there is enough space and work for everyone. There is not at all crowded, as we mistakenly think. They are actively developing their own territory, investing in roads, houses, and construction. What in Russia, by the way, is by no means done. Why from there specific Chinese to go to Siberia? He is also looking for where is better.

The main flows of Chinese migration are, firstly, internal, and secondly, to the USA and Canada, and to Europe. But if you look at the passenger traffic between the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China, the number of Russians visiting China is almost three times the number of Chinese visiting Russia a year. Three times! So, if we talk about expansion, this is the expansion of Russian in China.

In the Far East of the Russian Federation, the proportion of constantly working Chinese among the population is 4-5%. This is about how in tsarist Russia.

- But this, apparently, official statistics. Probably a lot of unaccounted?

- This is not I invent, it is the conclusions of serious research. As for “demographic pressure”, this is nevertheless an incorrect statement of the question, based not on an analysis of the situation, but on the interests of those people who throw it in. First of all, local authorities, which throw their inability to solve socio-economic and criminal problems to the Chinese. Nothing else is here.

- But still, a lot of Chinese people live and work here, including in the Moscow region state farms, for example, where, they say, they use predatory fertilizers. By the way, there is an opinion that the Chinese, who will live here for some time, sharply jump up the birth rate.

- Of course, they give birth, like others, like Muslims, and Caucasians. But this has nothing to do with our relations with China, nor with Russia's internal political stability. Muslims have a higher birth rate than the Chinese - and, with China, by the way, we have a visa regime, unlike Central Asia.

If it comes to that, then conversations like “the Chinese will come and everything will be captured” were relevant just about ten years ago. Since then, the topic has changed: they began to say: "the Chinese will come and buy everything."

- Well, in general, and not without it.

- And what's the difference who buys Americans or Europeans? All the same, all the dollars paid. They invest in our infrastructure, in Rosneft, build an oil pipeline - all this is in the interests of both partners, as I understand it.

As for the land near Moscow, there the Chinese work for the host. On the Russian owner, who is responsible for the land, including the methods of its processing, and for the fertilizers that are brought there. If the earth has no master, nothing will help.

In general, understand: the cooperation that is developing between Russia and China includes, inter alia, the cooperation of criminal structures of the two countries, as well as corrupt law enforcement agencies. This is not a question like "China vs. Russia" - it is a question of law and order. Question to those who should observe them.

Interviewed by Leonid Smirnov
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  1. aviamed90
    aviamed90 7 May 2013 11: 02 New
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    Has this gentleman ever been to the Far East? Homegrown specialist!
    1. Alexander
      Alexander 7 May 2013 11: 27 New
      +9
      Of course it was. He has eyes like a Chinese.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 7 May 2013 13: 21 New
        +3
        And the fact that on Sakhalin, more recently, there are more Tajiks than Russian Tajiks than Tajikistan that secretly dreams of enslaving the whole Far Eastern Federal District ???
        That's exactly the same with the Chinese .. They go because they pay here .. As they say only business and nothing personal.
        Similarly with Belarus ... Surely China decided to enslave our White?
        It is imperative to tighten the control of migrant workers, but talk about some sort of conspiracy .. nonsense ..
        1. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 8 May 2013 10: 20 New
          +1
          Actually, the article is good enough and that’s why:

          The situation in the Far East is indeed not simple, but the academician is right. Indeed, Chinese farmers do not engage in land grabbing, they are hired workers and are interesting to the employer for their efficiency and low cost. It is so obvious that the "plantations" or "greenhouses" in which they work belong to the local criminals, acting in tandem with the local authorities.

          BUT!!!

          Interesting is another. If an academician spoke about this, then someone needs this ... Perhaps the public is preparing for the fact that soon there (in the east) they will begin to stir up local dealers. Obviously, those who start to trick will shout that we are losing the east, that the authorities are pursuing their “good” ones, instead of tackling the “Chinese threat” ...

          So, one way or another, wait and see!

          PS never rush to conclusions, gentlemen.
      2. Ribwort
        Ribwort 7 May 2013 14: 53 New
        +7
        According to a survey conducted in the Far East, the question: How do you feel about the Chinese? 10% of the population answered “good” and 90% “Ochina Halaso” fellow
    2. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 7 May 2013 11: 42 New
      18
      In the Far East of the Russian Federation, the proportion of constantly working Chinese among the population is 4-5%. This is about how in tsarist Russia.

      Someone from the Far East tell this ur..do that the share of officially working Chinese is not at all what generally working chinese (including not officially), and this is many times more.
      And secondly, why the number of living Chinese is not voiced!!! I am sure that the number is terrible. I was in the Far East seven years ago, even then it was impossible for the Chinese to push through, I was even afraid to imagine it at once.

      Imagine, yes, Manchuria, and not only two districts. There, 110 million people live in total.

      Dry trifle only a little more than two thirds of the total population of the Russian Federation. am
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 7 May 2013 16: 23 New
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        Quote: Scythian 35
        I was in the Far East seven years ago, even then it was impossible for the Chinese to push through, I was even afraid to imagine it at once.

        We have in the Far East already blunt Chinese appeared. We served time for something there, now they are "local" and forced to reckon with themselves.
        In addition, a good half of budget cafes \ bars \ karaoke \ billiards belongs to the Chinese. In Vladivostok itself, the situation is better, many of these institutions belong to Azerbaijanis / Armenians / Tajiks / Uzbeks. Recently Azerbaijanis complained to me that Tajiks want to take away a sauna with billiards from them (to buy for nothing). I could hardly restrain myself from laughing in the face of my comrades (I know how they got this sauna bully ).
        As for the statements of the "specialist" ... I lived in China for almost 10 years ... I know for sure - the Chinese want to fight with us! They periodically publish articles in every military-patriotic magazine, saying, "China will regain the territory illegally seized by Russia / the USSR, and then, having mastered the endless resources of Siberia, it will destroy America."
        All the "good-neighborly" statements of the Chinese about our territories sound something like a well-fed wolf would say when he met a hare in the forest: "YOU DO NOT BE AFRAID, I AM FULL! Predators. "
        Quote: Scythian 35
        And secondly, why the figure of the living Chinese is not voiced !!! I am sure that the number is terrible.

        No one will be able to voice this figure to you. The Chinese live mainly in isolation - with their connection \ banks \ schools \ hospitals \ restor
        Anami \ dens. Recently, in Primorye, an action was carried out to identify illegally used means of communication. The Chinese did not even begin to use our cellular communications, but deployed their cellular network in Primorye. About underground banks, I think, it’s not worth talking about. Why pay the Russians for communication and transferring money to their homeland when you can quietly create your own, independent?
        Quote: Scythian 35
        Dry trifle only a little more than two thirds of the total population of the Russian Federation.

        The number of people in China is significantly understated. Many in villages where earnings are quite low cannot officially afford to have more than one child, since the fines for this violation of the "will of the party" for the rural population are simply unbearable (in the city you can still find friends, earn money, etc.) . Do you think the Chinese this restriction in the number of children somehow restrains their desire to have several children? Yes, they just don’t register them (不想 浪费 laughing )! Then, when the child becomes independent, he will earn money for himself 身份证 (shenfenzheng - shenfengzhen - "body identification" wassat ).
        In short, let those who doubt China’s claims to Siberia and the Far East live there in different provinces for a couple of years, then they say that
        Siberia does not deceive the Chinese
        1. roninas
          roninas 7 May 2013 21: 52 New
          +2
          I agree a thousand percent
        2. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 8 May 2013 01: 50 New
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          Gemar

          People told me that they worked in Siberia in Soviet times, that the broadcast of Chinese radio to the territory of the USSR began with such words
          "Greet the citizens of the Soviet Union temporarily residing in the territory of the People's Republic of China." True or crap?
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    4. Avenger711
      Avenger711 7 May 2013 13: 05 New
      +2
      100 years ago, the tantrums were the same, some were Chinese, their own people are not enough. It’s just that they don’t have enough because nobody really wants to live there, they would like to, everything would have been Chinese for Baikal for 1000 years.
    5. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 7 May 2013 15: 34 New
      +7
      He’s a hothouse legalist. Let’s explain then; Why did China include the development of the Arctic among the priority programs ?, Japan and I, in 188 ... also had chiki pokey. How did it end? The person does not look at 30-40 years ahead.
    6. hommer
      hommer 7 May 2013 16: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: aviamed90
      Has this gentleman ever been to the Far East? Homegrown specialist!


      And here is what a resident of the Far East says
      [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = kbNpT1cqetU]
    7. honest jew
      honest jew 7 May 2013 20: 49 New
      +6
      another tryndun this corresponding member of the RAS, deputy director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations (IMEMO) Vasily Mikheev !!! Russia leased China 1 million hectares of forest for deforestation - this shocking news came in February and for some reason did not cause the slightest resonance. The representative of the PRC said that the Chinese economy is in dire need of forest resources, and therefore considers Russia with its huge timber reserves as the main strategic partner. The Federal Forestry Agency said that the pilot project provides for "the establishment of enterprises with Chinese capital on the terms of the forest legislation of the Russian Federation, which will carry out forestry, logging and processing, including pulp production, on the territory of the forest fund." The experimental site will be one of the regions of Siberia. To identify the most profitable area, Rosleskhoz expressed its readiness to provide the Chinese side with "any information on timber stocks in Russia and methods for its development."


      In the most barbaric way, the animal world is destroyed. In the reports of the FSB border administration in the Far Eastern Federal District, it was reported as quite ordinary facts that during the detention of some Chinese couriers, the legs of 210 killed bears were found, in others - 250 kg of lips of killed moose, in the third - 2500 sable skins, etc.

      Serious damage has been done in recent years to the forests of the Irkutsk region. By acquiring a permit allegedly for sanitary felling, loggers (usually locals hired by the Chinese) continue to act at their own discretion, cutting down the first-class sawlog and taking only the lower, most valuable part of the trunk, and throwing the rest at the felling site. Having paid $ 40 per cubic meter of roundwood, Chinese firms then sell sawn timber at $ 500 per cubic meter on international forest exchanges. To facilitate this robbery, the Chinese government even passed a law prohibiting the acquisition of processed timber in Russia. ”

      Now this robbery, unprecedented in no other country, except perhaps the most backward colonies, will receive an additional legal base.
    8. roninas
      roninas 7 May 2013 21: 49 New
      +2
      Well, not at all .. The man did not convince, well, not at all. Yes, of course, Siberia with its fossils, gas, oil, forest, etc. well, the Chinese do not need at all. Because they graze there, there, and in the Far East. Still at 90 -th In Omsk, for example, the Chinese were almost invisible, and now. The Chinese are doing everything "quiet glanders" like cockroaches; ) if you can stupidly populate the territory, with the indulgence of local authorities, burn the land to sand with your agriculture? So do not believe this hirelings, he himself is of Chinese blood
    9. vjatsergey
      vjatsergey 7 May 2013 23: 33 New
      +1
      Most likely he was not here. If we already have a lot of them in the Magadan region (and it’s cold here, now I looked out the window in the morning and the snow is falling there) and the climate here does not stop them.
  2. Kars
    Kars 7 May 2013 11: 03 New
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    And the eyes are kind, kind, clean, honest)))
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 7 May 2013 11: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      And the eyes are kind, kind, clean, honest)))

      Yeah! And so I want to put a good fingal under these honest eyes. angry Honestly. repeat
    2. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 7 May 2013 13: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Kars
      And the eyes are kind, kind, clean, honest)))


      Quote: lilit.193
      so I want to put a good fingal under these honest eyes.


      To the point.
      Smug hari. Well, he knows everything straight.


      I will repost recently written:

      "...The consequences of a possible confrontation are forcing Russia and China to take measures to avoid this scenario.... »

      That is all that the world is holding on to in the East at the moment.

      I’m writing not by hearsay, I managed to serve in ZabVO, I loved this land very much.
      At the moment, troops are reduced and withdrawn from the border (and from transport infrastructure) to the taiga. They do not pose any danger to China. A sad joke about the invincibility of the Red Army, since it is impossible to find it, is vividly relevant.
      And the Chinese brothers, assuring everyone of their peaceful intentions, continue to shockly strengthen the group of forces near our borders, build roads along it (not in the interests of the national economy) and print textbooks for children about the "real" Chinese territories. Well done, you can’t say anything. Just stupid facts.

      Who is stopping us from also strengthening our troops and quietly trading?

      In the Soviet "stagnant" time, this worked, but now in the "progressive" time - for some reason ..
      With my hands and feet I am for peace and friendship with China, especially for joint actions in the international arena. This association promises many benefits to both sides, but - the weak will always be weak, they will not perceive it properly, and the unreasonableness in military policy has always led to grave consequences.
      1. SCS
        SCS 7 May 2013 13: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        At the moment, troops are reduced and withdrawn from the border (and from transport infrastructure) to the taiga. They do not pose any danger to China.
        And the Chinese brothers, assuring everyone of their peaceful intentions, continue to shockly strengthen the group of forces near our borders, build roads along it (not in the interests of the national economy) and print textbooks for children about the "real" Chinese territories. Well done, you can’t say anything. Just stupid facts.


        all right! and a reasonable question arises, on whose side is our leadership?
        at the same time, the restoration of the Army and Navy began slowly! I hope that the leadership is still with us .... wait and see!
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 7 May 2013 16: 07 New
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        Quote: Aleks tv
        I’m writing not by hearsay, I managed to serve in ZabVO, I loved this land very much.


        Question stealthily = so why didn't you stay in your favorite land?

        That's right, Putin said = everyone says what needs to be done in order to become better and no one says how to do it!

        How to make people go to live on the border with China? There are no kindergartens, schools, institutes, etc. All the amenities on the street! There is no electricity!

        Youth says = it is necessary to give children upbringing and education. And the Chinese youth does not wish the same to their Chinese?

        So - without TV, computers, iPhones, cell phones and much more. Did not run away somewhere to go and live!
        And the Chinese are running and flickering in front of their eyes, so it’s most likely that the cunning people for work came for greedy crazy money. Or a thief from the Chinese prosecutor’s office is hiding.

        They write a lot of oh-oh-oh and no one came up and asked those Chinese = what are you doing? What do you want?
        1. Gemar
          Gemar 7 May 2013 16: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          They write a lot of oh-oh-oh and no one came up and asked those Chinese = what are you doing? What do you want?

          Dear, since you say so, you probably already approached the foreigners and asked, they say, what are you trying to do?
          I personally approached and asked them. Those who were cunning that they did not understand Russian were asked a question in Chinese. I didn’t find out the answer ... wassat
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          How to make people go to live on the border with China?

          How to prevent people from leaving the border with China to Moscow and St. Petersburg? How to make people give birth on the border with China? Putin knows the answer - you need to bring hundreds of thousands of Tajiks / Uzbeks and give them citizenship. What is being done with success now. hi
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 7 May 2013 16: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Question stealthily = so why didn't you stay in your favorite land?


          Service. Where directed there and served. Then transfer to a new duty station.
          Army - you know.

          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          How to make people go to live on the border with China? There are no kindergartens, schools, institutes, etc. All the amenities on the street! There is no electricity!


          Standard, rhetorical remark ... What is its meaning? just to write beautiful and correct words in a comment?
          Everything is always solved in an integrated way by the master plan for the development of territories. Here it must be accepted and carried out. The land is rich. No one just needs nafik. Stealing officials is easier than developing the region.

          By the way, the infrastructure of cities and towns is well raised by military camps, this is so, by the way.
  3. Rustiger
    Rustiger 7 May 2013 11: 05 New
    +3
    Another "comforter" appeared. And what is it to him? A new "down jacket" will be sent, or a Chinese car. Maybe the leaders themselves told him “under the polygraph” about this, then let him look at the economic problems of China. And he will figure out how they can solve these problems if not at the expense of the “fat neighbor”. Everything is "for the time being, for the time being." And why did he not specify how much patience the Chinese would have?
    1. Renat
      Renat 7 May 2013 12: 32 New
      +4
      But is it not a Chinese zealot? So sweetly says that anyone can be alert. Ours are three times more likely to go to China than they are to us. So ours return to their homeland and the Chinas?
  4. Temer
    Temer 7 May 2013 11: 06 New
    +5
    - No, absolutely not claim. At our official level, the issue of the border has been finally resolved.

    And the fact that Siberia and the Far East are designated as "temporarily occupied territories" on Chinese world maps is nothing, right?
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 7 May 2013 11: 20 New
      +9
      The territories are "not temporarily occupied", but planned to be settled (read annexed) in the future -
      Notice, they didn’t add India, and not the Himalayan humps, but rivers, taiga, etc. . . .
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 7 May 2013 11: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustiger
        Notice, they didn’t add India, and not the Himalayan humps, but rivers, taiga, etc. . . .

        why do they need Taiga? here is from fresh news came out a couple of hours ago!
        Chinese troops entered Tajikistan wassat

        DUSHANBE, May 7. The Chinese military established control over the Murgab district of the Gorno-Badakhshan region of Tajikistan. This was stated by representatives of the Tajik opposition.

        Official confirmation of this information yet.

        Experts are sure that Dushanbe, in repayment of its external debt to Beijing, is preparing to transfer another part of the Pamir Highlands, which is considered unsuitable for life, but is rich in deposits of precious stones, rare minerals and even uranium. Exploration work has already begun in Murghab, maps are being made, and evaluation of deposits will begin in the near future, Forum-msk.ru reports.
        More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/05/07/1125818.html

        Recall that Tajikistan transferred part of its land to China in January 2011. The parliament ratified the protocol on the demarcation of the border with China, according to which 1,1 thousand square kilometers of disputed territories were allocated to China. After this protocol entered into force, the territory of Tajikistan decreased by one percent.
      2. Retx
        Retx 7 May 2013 12: 34 New
        +2
        This picture shows that they once seemed to belong to the Yuan Dynasty, supposedly they lost 3.3 million km2. No, do not pay attention, this is a map of the occupation !!! 111 laughing
        1. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 7 May 2013 13: 35 New
          -3
          This picture shows that they once seemed to belong to the Yuan Dynasty,

          Sorry, you're probably kidding !!! Please tell me, And during the Yuan Dynasty, North Korea also belonged to China, and just the thirty-eighth parallel!!! laughing

          As I understand it, the Yuan Empire was formed in 1949 and now it is ruled by Emperor Hu Jintao !!!! laughing
          1. Retx
            Retx 7 May 2013 13: 46 New
            -1
            So it is written on the picture itself, I joked on another.
            Quote: Scythian 35
            Please tell me, During the Yuan Dynasty, China belonged to both North Korea and every thirty-eighth parallel !!!

            I will say more, the whole of Korea, and in 1310 the territory of the empire was 14 km (yes, 000 million).
            1. Scythian 35
              Scythian 35 7 May 2013 14: 40 New
              +1
              By the way, note that on your map also Korea in China, 38 parallels each. What Chinese visionaries knew in 1310 that there would be a second world war and Korea would be divided into occupation zones and just at the thirty-eighth parallel !!!! And they knew that North Korea would become part of China.

              But in fact, China consider North Korea their land !!!
              1. Retx
                Retx 7 May 2013 15: 04 New
                0
                Well, no matter how 38, but almost the current border, but that’s not the point. Koreans live there, if they have disputes, then only with Manchuria (this is a separate story). All these territories on the maps are not the achievement of the Chinese! Therefore, they can consider anything at least a hundred.
                PS here's a map for you when the entire Korean peninsula was under the Yuan Dynasty.
                1. Scythian 35
                  Scythian 35 7 May 2013 15: 17 New
                  +1
                  and what is it she is without Taiwan and the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous District. I think we are here to the point that tomorrow at the Chinese forums they will discuss that in Russia there is a plan for dismembering the PRC !!! good
                  1. Retx
                    Retx 7 May 2013 15: 32 New
                    0
                    At that time they did not enter. The Yuan Dynasty is a Mongolian state, not a Chinese empire. smile Prior to this, "modern China" was part of the Mongol Empire (33 million km2).
                    Quote: Scythian 35
                    we are here before agreeing that tomorrow at Chinese forums they will discuss that in Russia there is a plan for dismembering the PRC!

                    By this principle, a comrade from above threw a map of the Yuan Dynasty here under the guise of a "plan for the capture of Siberia."
                    Here, look - the Ming Dynasty in the 15th century. As you can see, China has not always been united and powerful.
                    1. Scythian 35
                      Scythian 35 8 May 2013 02: 06 New
                      +1
                      Retx

                      No offense, but as far as I know, Korea has always been dependent on China. It’s just that some kind of Chinese reared up preparing this map for printing a couple of years ago, to present it as a historical document, took it and braked a lot, and sketched not all of Korea, as it should, about only the north one and, moreover, 38 parallels each. If I'm wrong, prove the opposite !!!

                      Sincerely.
                      1. Retx
                        Retx 8 May 2013 09: 53 New
                        0
                        Not always. The Mongols invaded Korea in 1231, capturing only the northern part of the peninsula, and then there were several companies to completely capture Koryo.
                        They completely fought back to 1350. I do not understand what is there to prove, this is history and well-known facts.
                      2. Scythian 35
                        Scythian 35 9 May 2013 18: 44 New
                        0
                        and the card is for 1310. !!! and look at your map again, Korea is again redistributed with a black line, and this is the fifteenth century, as you wrote, I think a program is being prepared for the annexation and inclusion of North Korea in China.
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 7 May 2013 15: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Rustiger
      The territories are "not temporarily occupied", but planned to be settled (read annexed) in the future -
      Notice, they didn’t add India, and not the Himalayan humps, but rivers, taiga, etc. . . .

      Here is the darkness. They mean they do not want to populate their territories? Give them strangers?

      Population density by administrative regions of China:



      1. MG42
        MG42 8 May 2013 02: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: GreatRussia
        They mean they do not want to populate their territories? Give them strangers?

        Population density by administrative regions of China:

        Population density also depends on the terrain, see how the population density maps coincide with the physical map ... in the mountains and in the desert, naturally, the population density is lower.
      2. Scythian 35
        Scythian 35 8 May 2013 02: 26 New
        +2
        Here is the darkness. They mean they do not want to populate their territories

        Dear GreatRussia Believe All that is possible in China, they have populated. The card you provided only confirms this. What do they populate ??? Inner Mongolia? Where even camels die from a lack of water. Gobi Desert? There is generally nothing alive except insects and scorpions and several reptile species, where the rainfall is several millimeters and even in the form of dew, there is no rain for years. The stone deserts of Tibet? This is a height of 4000-6000 meters - this is a highland. There, a man from the Plains cannot live, much less work. Tibet is a stone desert !!! Or populate the Himalayan glaciers ????

        with respect.
  5. xmike
    xmike 7 May 2013 11: 28 New
    +3
    Cards in the studio!
    1. Alexander
      Alexander 7 May 2013 11: 42 New
      +4
      Let's throw off and buy Tajikistan.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 7 May 2013 12: 09 New
        +3
        But why ... do we need it, Tajikistan? For a variety of existing hemorrhoids?
        1. Alexander
          Alexander 7 May 2013 12: 19 New
          -1
          What do you mean why? Uranium, rare earth metals. Yes, and you need to start small. Today is Tajikistan, tomorrow is Alaska.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 7 May 2013 12: 34 New
            +2
            Uranium, rare earth metals.

            This has long been mined by whoever needs it))))
        2. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 7 May 2013 14: 42 New
          -1
          IRBIS

          Joke - hunts for Capricorn and argali !!!
      2. Rustiger
        Rustiger 7 May 2013 12: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander
        Let's buy Tajikistan.

        Sasha. Just register a young family of tadjis in one of the rooms of the apartment. And in five years “your own” Tochikistonom will be behind the wall.
        Agree, as "low cost." . . laughing
        1. Alexander
          Alexander 7 May 2013 12: 26 New
          0
          Yes you wit.
  • Victor
    Victor 7 May 2013 11: 07 New
    22
    It’s they (the Chinese) who are like friends to us. One has only to feel that we are weaker, immediately and Siberia will need unfit and all the rest to boot. With the Celestial Empire you always need to keep your eyes open. The Chinese have always been masters of deception.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 7 May 2013 11: 28 New
      -5
      Quote: Victor
      One has only to feel that we are weaker, immediately and Siberia will need unfit and all the rest to boot.

      and what’s going to happen, tell me, it’s interesting simply. and how will they feel it? what should happen what would they feel?
      1. Egen
        Egen 7 May 2013 12: 46 New
        +9
        Quote: djon3volta
        what should happen what would they feel?

        can i try to guess? :)
        In 1, there are not so few Chinese in Siberia, they just sit quietly, they do not climb out like Caucasians, and therefore they are not noticeable.
        In 2, I don’t understand at all such academicians from the capital who, sitting in their offices, think that they know what’s going on thousands of kilometers from them. without conducting any serious research in place. How much I come across this! Well this is understandable, such an uncle pays money to a local company, grit I need to study to calculate how few Chinese we have - well, please, how much we paid and how much we paid, pay more - we count even less, more thoroughly :))
        About people like Livingston, Przhezhevalsky I generally keep quiet ...
        Well, I digress.
        In general, it is necessary to share the interest of the Chinese in Russia (and indeed in any country in general) of business and the population.
        The population’s goal is to earn money, it’s clear that the United States pays more, but they don’t get rubber, they don’t let everyone in, and there are many Chinese - where else can they go to work if not to the neighbors? so, the stricter the entrance to the States and others like them, and the better our economy works with it, the more Chinese we will have. Although, even if the economy works worse, it will still be more :) Because then ours will start counting money and hire cheaper but more efficient Chinese :)
        In business, in principle, the same thing. Now the Russian Federation is not interested in China as a market because China Compared to the States and Europe, it’s very small. As soon as those capitalist markets begin to rot :), but the business will spread to the Russian market as an unplowed field.
        In terms of supplies of raw materials to China, this is not a business, but a state level, all that we supply is to state-owned companies Sinopek, etc. And we can’t supply anything to private business in China - our industry is too small :( For me, according to an old acquaintance of 10 years ago, all requests come from Chinese regions for the supply of fertilizers and fuel oil (they are good by the way). Yes, what’s there , in our country the whole country doesn’t produce as many fertilizers as just one of their provinces is needed, and fuel oil is required only near Shanghai (not in itself) from 100 to 300ty.t. per month - and we don’t have as much ...
        Well, yes, I’m repeating myself, sorry.
        In general, I wanted to say that the criterion for paying attention to us of China as a territory, market, etc., will be a reduction in its presence in other markets (i.e., pinching), it just turned out long :)
    2. Retx
      Retx 7 May 2013 12: 21 New
      +2
      92 year Well, they felt, then what?
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 7 May 2013 13: 44 New
        0
        Quote: RETX
        92 year Well, they felt, then what?

        Yes, nothing! There are states that are easy to conquer. There are states that are difficult to conquer. And there are states that it’s better not to contact or meddle with. laughing at least from the outside. from the inside, yes, we were already broken in 1917 and in 1991. Yesterday there again it seemed like a swamp was seething laughing
  • erased
    erased 7 May 2013 11: 18 New
    +9
    This is not me who is inventing, these are the findings of serious research ...

    But why does he not cite the source of these studies? And in general, more than strange material. The Chinese are good, amer politically correct, Europe is all tolerant, tolerant! And that some missiles are moving towards the borders of Russia, some armies are nearby, it's just maneuvers. As in 1940 and 1941. They hide there from terrorists so that they are not spotted.
    And why are we, so incredulous, puzhaysi?
    Someone forgot how many territories have already been given to the Chinese? And Damansky forgotten? And how many chinas on the territory of the Russian Federation now?
    This is not a joke. This is a cartridge-driven cartridge.
  • lilit.193
    lilit.193 7 May 2013 11: 22 New
    +3
    Well yes! Don't be seduced? And why do they then get in packs to Siberia from their super-wonderful China? It is a pity that now there is no longer Genghis Khan on all these Chinese.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 7 May 2013 11: 36 New
      11
      Quote: lilit.193
      And why do they then get in packs to Siberia from their super-wonderful China?

      The answer is simple: FREEDOM. I would even say VOLNITSA. In socialist China, you won’t get sick! And we have a mess (hand on heart). So the author is right:
      This is not a question like “China versus Russia” - it is a question of law and order. The question is to those who should observe them.

      There will be order, strict adherence to laws, and no one will go here. Neither the Chinese nor the Uzbeks. And Caucasians will sit in the mountains.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 May 2013 12: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Atlon
        There will be order, strict observance of laws, and no one will go here

        And who is the guarantor of the rule of law in the country?
        What is the guarantor ...... such is compliance.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 7 May 2013 12: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: baltika-18
          And who is the guarantor of the rule of law in the country?

          otherwise you don’t know who?
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 7 May 2013 12: 31 New
            +4
            Quote: djon3volta
            otherwise you don’t know who?

            I know, Zhenya, I know ....
            Horseradish guarantor ....
            1. djon3volta
              djon3volta 7 May 2013 13: 24 New
              -1
              Quote: baltika-18
              Horseradish guarantor ....

              and who’s better? Give a specific surname. I’ll tell you right away that only a Russian citizen can become president of the country. Lukashenko does not belong to them, and he does not want to become president of the Russian Federation, he told the press himself.
              1. kostella85
                kostella85 7 May 2013 13: 54 New
                0
                Quote: djon3volta
                and who is better? Name a specific surname.


                Well, for example, Tuleyev, or any other successful governor !!!
                1. Egen
                  Egen 7 May 2013 14: 51 New
                  +2
                  Quote: kostella85
                  Well, for example, Tuleyev, or any other successful governor !!!

                  Tuleyev, of course, also has flaws, like each of us, but in our Kuzbass he is really respected and loved, he has done a lot for the region and people. And it was in the 90, when there was time, the directors of the mines were shot one at a time, and what about the people and what to say, that was :(
                  But now he’s already in age, in a week 69 will, unfortunately, not be up to the top, I think he’s right now, and people are afraid, they’ll send someone from above to snatch a thread from a rich region :(
                  They also say that in neighboring Tomsk the new governor seems to be sensible, but he still does not understand the new one :)
              2. fzr1000
                fzr1000 7 May 2013 21: 47 New
                +1
                Shoigu is most likely our next President. Not a bad option.
        2. Containers
          Containers 7 May 2013 20: 12 New
          0
          At the porch of you, too, he spoiled. Infa 100%.
  • Roll
    Roll 7 May 2013 11: 23 New
    0
    love Everything is correctly and correctly written, Well, the Chinese do not need Siberia, I mean those who settled down normally in China, so far they have successfully solved their problems, what they need they will buy from us for oil and gas and engines for drying and Amur submarines, and a lot of things. We need to be friends and fight for a friendly China. Indeed, if China agrees with Amers and Japan (by visiting the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin last), we will not be saved from our khan and vigorous weapons given our managers. If China needs to be acupuncture , there are Taiwan, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Myanmar and many other countries. With the same success, Australia should be more afraid of us. Therefore, we have one way out of friendship and mutually beneficial cooperation.
  • Soldier
    Soldier 7 May 2013 11: 23 New
    +6
    I myself recently made a forecast for China, and so, I want to note that I agree with the author and military expansion does not threaten us at the moment. But only one BUT ... The author did not indicate that the forecast is drawn up for a time period of 10-15 years. And at this time the forecast is quite reliable. And what will be a thankless task to predict in 50-100-200 years. Example; who would have thought back in 2000 that the United States would enter Afghanistan and get stuck there for a long time? was expected since 2005 hi
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 7 May 2013 11: 37 New
      +6
      Army men

      "And what will happen in 50-100-200 years to predict a thankless task."

      Should we console ourselves with this?
      Do you guarantee 50-100-200 years? And if earlier? And if, in general, is it already too late?
      Who analyzed this situation? Maybe this cheerful uncle from the Institute of World Economy and International Relations?
      Something I do not believe him. And I believe my eyes, because I served there for 6 years.
      1. Roll
        Roll 7 May 2013 12: 22 New
        0
        am And why should someone guarantee their forecast. And if you guarantee what ??? is a bottle of vodka suitable ??? As a guarantee. Now it’s important that, at least until 2020, peace with China lasts, and then any division of the world, with the 3rd world thermonuclear war, or genocide wars, or communism based on new principles, or an electronic concentration camp with a world government where any country will be , only the electronic number and type of caste is important. The problem is that the world economy has passed a point of no return, and a crisis is inevitable. Here are citizens of the USSR, Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, too, defended their territories, they were also afraid of expansion. And that in the end, whose now is Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Croatia, Albania. It is important to go through a cataclysm with less loss. But with China it’s not important.
        1. Roll
          Roll 7 May 2013 12: 29 New
          0
          lol I also wanted to add, and where did we get the idea that emigrants are such a monolithic force, they also have their grievances and disassembly, if the Chinese, for economic reasons, begin to wet the Caucasians and Asians, why do we need flattery, especially since the Chinese the points of contact are not with us, namely with the Caucasians, trade, markets, consumer services, construction. So, especially the Chinese should not be feared.
      2. Soldier
        Soldier 7 May 2013 12: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: aviamed90
        Should we console ourselves with this?
        Well, I can reassure you. For the Communist Party and the people of China, its internal territorial problems are MUCH priority over ephemeral reflections on the distant future. Yes, they also have their chauvinists, but who will give them power. Well, and if it’s very simple, China must first regain Taiwan and build a fleet. And until this issue is resolved, aggression from the Chinese should not be expected. And yet; the Chinese are fine understand that in the event of a war with Russia, only the United States and its Japanese satellites will win and India will become the leader in the region. Therefore, the USA is only a trading partner for China, and Russia is also an ally. The Chinese have not forgotten European expansion and opium war, when the country was, “divided,” by the imperialists. And they do not want a repetition of such a scenario.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 7 May 2013 12: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Armeec
          Well, and if it’s very simple, first China must regain Taiwan and build a fleet. And until this issue is resolved, aggression from the Chinese should not be expected.

          I agree that China must first return Taiwan and then think about what to do next, although it has enough territorial disputes with all its neighbors, the same India, Japan, etc.
        2. Egen
          Egen 7 May 2013 12: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Armeec
          Therefore, the United States is only a trading partner for China, and Russia is also an ally

          Well, for now, yes, everything is correct, but you can ask, Alexander, what forecast did you make and why? Purely professional, 10 years working with China :)
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 7 May 2013 11: 25 New
    -2
    why didn't the Chinese take Siberia and the Far East back in the 90s? is anyone here with sobering thoughts, or will you do self-intimidation?
    explain why you are self-intimidating? either Asians, Caucasians, Japanese, Chinese, intimidate yourself, and scare each other with this? why don't 100-200 or 300 million Chinese go to Russia? because the Chinese can just buy tickets and come but why don't they ride?
    Comrades, are you tired of sowing fears and panic from year to year?
    1. core
      core 7 May 2013 12: 17 New
      -2
      and they are so much more pleasant, they are masochists. they do not see a huge and sparsely populated Kazakhstan with its huge raw material resources. it is more pleasant for them to frighten themselves, to feel themselves as the navels of the earth and consider the rest as idiots. these alarmists are more dangerous than the "Chinese".
  • xmike
    xmike 7 May 2013 11: 26 New
    +3
    People do not need to be afraid, there is no expansion. It’s just that someone writes some kind of stories, and some media outlets replicate them without knowing anything.


    Yes, I really believed this bureaucrat ... In my country house (100 km from MKAD) you feel like in Tajikistan! Russian almost completely left ... And those who remained drunkards and lazy people ..
    The expansion is in full swing - to see the process of replacing “ours” with migrants at the top, everyone is happy. It is necessary to improve the living conditions in the country first of all for the indigenous population, although this is of course "not profitable" for "businessmen", but I (the businessmen) do not care!
    1. core
      core 7 May 2013 12: 18 New
      0
      children should be given birth, not officials and businessmen to blame.
    2. arkady149
      arkady149 7 May 2013 12: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: xmike
      Russian almost completely left ... And those who remained drunkards and lazy people ..

      What is your reason? Calling people desperate to find a decent job drunk and loafers, you pour water on the mill of shnobyashnyh gesheftmakher and their henchmen who occupied our country and looted entire industries, citing their inefficiency. In a country where 7-8 months a year, the heating season, any production is less cost-effective than anywhere else .
      1. xmike
        xmike 7 May 2013 13: 24 New
        +2
        You say it right, but Russians should have motivation! But she is not! There is only increasing radical nationalism. With which "play" watered technologists. We need motivation - the belief that tomorrow will be better than today.
        It is necessary to create conditions for development, but there are conditions for "survival".
        No need to say that nothing prevents us, that we ourselves have to take up low-paying and dirty work ......
        It is necessary to solve the issue of unemployment and low living standards of the indigenous population.
        By stopping the migration of those who are ready to live in the basement and work for 5t.
        As long as there is "such" labor, the laws of the market are against Us.

        Then the 2nd, 3rd and God will give the 4th and 5th child in my family.
      2. max-02215
        max-02215 7 May 2013 14: 45 New
        +4
        God's chosen people do not give a shit who will live on the territory of Russia - Tajiks. the Chinese, the main thing is to destroy the Russians, as a people not suitable for taming. They have already seized power in the country, now there is an informational stupor, education, what, God forbid, smart people have appeared - propaganda of consumption. We are successfully soldered (aggressive propaganda of beer, banned when almost the entire population got addicted), they put us on drugs, the fight is just a show, if in the USSR they fought, they fought. In general, there is little positive ....
        1. AdAAkRuSS
          AdAAkRuSS 7 May 2013 20: 13 New
          +3
          I agree that this is now worse than the Chinese. But the Chinese are very dangerous, God forbid, they will give up fellow what to do then belay
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 7 May 2013 11: 29 New
    +7
    TIPS FROM THE Crypt from an honorary professor at East China University in Shanghai.
    Interestingly, he receives a salary in Moscow and Shanghai?
  • Tolik.
    Tolik. 975 7 May 2013 11: 31 New
    15
    directly cheers article ... put a minus, because He was born and raised in the Far East, lived his entire conscious life and I know the Chinese firsthand. The author is either short-sighted or a troll.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 7 May 2013 11: 32 New
    +4
    I’ll tell you, dear not by hearsay in Omsk, at the Chinese clothing wholesaler (it’s so called directly) and in the Omsk region (they built vegetables there for growing greenhouses) there are so many Chinese people that sometimes when you pass by you forget that you are at home!
    1. magadanets
      magadanets 7 May 2013 11: 48 New
      +3
      My friend went to his mother’s home on vacation after many years in the city of Serov. He says, "I went to the market and I don’t understand where I got. Felts to my homeland, felts to China."
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 7 May 2013 11: 59 New
      -6
      Quote: avant-garde
      so many Chinese

      how much? more than 1 million inhabitants live in Omsk, the question is - how many Chinese did you count? well, or at least? 100-500-1000 or how many? let's say you saw a thousand Chinese in a million cities, the question is a lot? but besides the clothing market where were you still? are the Chinese also wobbling in the streets of Omsk? is every second Omsk resident Chinese, or are almost all Chinese in Omsk?
      1. Egen
        Egen 7 May 2013 13: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: djon3volta
        More than 1 million inhabitants live in Omsk, the question is how many Chinese have you counted

        A lot :) I went selling the film to the Chinese, that you live in greenhouses near Omsk :)
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 7 May 2013 13: 33 New
          -3
          Quote: Egen
          A lot of

          this is not the answer. here I am writing specifically - 1.154 million people live in Omsk. the question is - how many Chinese live in Omsk? I ask specifically how A unit of man-shower of Chinese manufacture lives in the city of Omsk.
          when I get an answer, then we can discuss whether there are many or few Chinese in Omsk.
          1. Egen
            Egen 7 May 2013 15: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: djon3volta
            this is not the answer. here I am writing specifically

            Duck, namesake, dear, you took the number from the census, but I didn’t count the Chinese :)
            Seriously - judging by the greenhouse film sold by us and our competitors :), I’ll assume that there are about thousand 15 in agricultural near Omsk. In addition to agricultural - I do not know. But we can estimate the analogy in our city.
            At first glance, there are no Chinese in Kemerovo, as I wrote. Well, a thousand can in the market. But when they built the factory building, they hired a Chinese brigade, 30 people. Then it turned out that the Chinese builders are not so few! Thousands of 2-3 typed. We do not have many in greenhouses, well, a couple of thousand. Homeworkers-seamstresses too, because we have a colony supply cheap. This is in the 1 city, somewhere around thousands of 8, on the 510 thousand of the population, and we still have the cities of Novokuznetsk, the sinter Belovo - Leninsk and other cities.
            In total, according to my estimates in the Kuzbass, the Chinese should not be more than 35-40 thousand per 3,5 million of the population.
            Well, according to the proportion of population and industrial development, consider. I think that in Western Siberia (from Omsk to Irkutsk), the Chinese have at least 200 thousand. This is of course IMHO.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 7 May 2013 14: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Egen
          A lot :) I went selling the film to the Chinese, that you live in greenhouses near Omsk :)

          Multiply one by one hundred thousand ... the crazy amount!
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 7 May 2013 13: 33 New
        +6
        Thousand Chinese. Mostly - men, young. Two full-blooded battalions. Is it a lot or a little? And so in every major city beyond the Urals. And along the Amur River and a regiment can be assembled even in a seedy little town. And then there was the problem of fresh water in the world, and in Siberia, there are some rivers and there is Baikal. The Chinese are pragmatic and do not have much love for us.
        1. djon3volta
          djon3volta 7 May 2013 15: 22 New
          -1
          Quote: IRBIS
          Thousand Chinese. Mostly - men, young

          about Krymsk, too, all sorts of bloggers trolls wrote that they allegedly took out troupes by trucks and buried them with bulldozers. I probably read this nonsense? laughing if they write it, then someone saw, and since they saw why there is no photo video of this ???
          êàî - when is the war with China? When China attacks Russia, I have already asked 5 times.
    3. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 7 May 2013 14: 54 New
      +1
      in the Omsk region (they built vegetables there for growing greenhouses) there are so many Chinese people that sometimes when you pass by you forget that you are at home!

      And imagine what is being done in the Far East !!!
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 7 May 2013 15: 18 New
        -2
        Quote: Scythian 35
        And imagine what is being done in the Far East !!!

        Do you like science fiction? show statistics, photos, videos hordes of Chinese in the Far East, and that the photo would correspond to your idea, where, as they say, horses and people mixed up.
        or take a video from the streets of Khabarovsk or Vladivostok, be sure to turn the camera in different directions, so that everyone's faces are visible. when I see there many narrow-eyed people among Russians, then I’ll believe it. I can write any nonsense, like we had yesterday they blew up a nuclear bomb in the city, they just keep silent and hide the media. But where is the evidence of my talk? request as your chatter there is no evidence, if there is then present them.
        1. Egen
          Egen 7 May 2013 15: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: djon3volta
          and I can write any nonsense too, like we blew up a nuclear bomb yesterday in the city

          well, they were surprised about the nuclear explosion, what’s wrong here :) We blew up in Kuzbass in the 84 near Mariinsky, though underground :) but what makes you worse? :))
  • Vasily T.
    Vasily T. 7 May 2013 11: 38 New
    12
    Do not have illusions. Everyone was climbing to Siberia, whose only expeditionary forces were not here. And these creatures behaved not like gentlemen. But China is sleeping and sees its Siberia, so many natural resources, fresh water. No need to reach out to the dragon, sucked along with slippers. It is better to hold a club in this hand, preferably a nuclear one (better in each hand).
  • Sinbad
    Sinbad 7 May 2013 11: 42 New
    +3
    Interesting? Who pays this gentleman a salary? Certainly not Russia.
    1. e-froloff
      e-froloff 7 May 2013 18: 08 New
      +2
      The article is written on the money of Chinese labor migrants wassat
  • OlegPatriot
    OlegPatriot 7 May 2013 11: 52 New
    +6
    China is not at all friend to us, but just a temporary ally .. and any country is not at all against tearing at least a small piece from huge Russia. Sometimes an apparent friend is more dangerous than a clear enemy.
  • optimist
    optimist 7 May 2013 12: 00 New
    +2
    I remind everyone! Until 22.06.41 in the USSR, those who spoke about the war with Germany were imprisoned for panic. Apparently, we will need to start worrying only when a narrow-eyed comrade is shown instead of GDP by the zombie man .... laughing
  • optimist
    optimist 7 May 2013 12: 05 New
    +5
    I remember in my youth I read the book of A. Stepanov "Port Arthur." It described the plot when one of the Japanese generals before the war suggested sending a million Japanese girls to the Far East who would marry the Russians, give birth to "true samurai" and they would hit the Russians in the back at the right time. I remember laughing very much ... Now it’s not funny: Russian bloks .. in packs go beyond the Chinese (they say they don’t drink and work). So that Japanese general wasn’t such a fool ...
    1. kush62
      kush62 7 May 2013 12: 23 New
      +2
      Well, let's say women of easy virtue usually stand along the road and serve in salons. They marry foreigners because there are no worthy ones among their own. And if they do not marry, maybe there are no worthy in truth. But to shout, to be indignant - and to support a family is not the same thing.
      1. optimist
        optimist 7 May 2013 13: 08 New
        +2
        You know, I personally also, perhaps, prefer ladies of non-Russian nationalities. And countries are more attractive than Russia. But this does not mean that I am going to go there and marry their women! For some reason, the majority of blacks ... puffy and narrow-eyed marry and marry their own. And only among Russian cosmopolitanism rolls over. And then we are surprised why Caucasians incline us as they want ...
        1. Retx
          Retx 7 May 2013 13: 23 New
          +2
          Yes, this is easily explained. Before the collapse, it was customary for us to idealize everything that came from the decaying capitalist world, and the more it was crap from above, the more it was idealized from below. Thus, when the USSR unexpectedly collapsed, and everything that was forbidden before poured into the country, for most post-Soviet girls, each individual automatically became a “Prince” whose homeland on the map is drawn to the left of this country. That's far away, they are looking at the right side of the map. And now girls are brought up from childhood ... it becomes very scary. Panic is not raised there, we ourselves are worse than the Chinese and someone else.
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 7 May 2013 15: 25 New
            -4
            Quote: RETX
            we ourselves are worse than the Chinese and someone else.

            you’re right to say the same thing. We are destroying ourselves by panic and instilling garbage through the media and the market. And then, as a virus, we will spread it to others.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 7 May 2013 12: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: djon3volta
    Quote: avant-garde
    so many Chinese

    how much? more than 1 million inhabitants live in Omsk, the question is - how many Chinese did you count? well, or at least? 100-500-1000 or how many? let's say you saw a thousand Chinese in a million cities, the question is a lot? but besides the clothing market where were you still? are the Chinese also wobbling in the streets of Omsk? is every second Omsk resident Chinese, or are almost all Chinese in Omsk?

    Believe them not to count !!!! Yes, I don’t need them here.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 7 May 2013 12: 13 New
    +5
    The author is right, China does not need Siberia for 4/5 occupied by permafrost with a capacity of up to 800 m.
    The Russians mastered the southern parts of Siberia and Primorye at once, China will only tackle the slack, but it will not fight for them, because it will lose more. China has 2/3 of its own territory not developed, there is where to put your hands.
    In addition, China in the west and in the north is separated from Russia by vast deserts and mountains.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 7 May 2013 12: 42 New
      +4
      In addition to Siberia, there is the Far East. Do you catch the difference? Look at the cards. One Primorsky Territory is worth it!
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 7 May 2013 14: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: aviamed90
        One Primorsky Territory is worth it!

        Do you think that these swallows from the Middle Kingdom will be satisfied with only one Primorsky Territory? .. You obviously do not underestimate the Chinese appetite ...

        Here is a map of only official (so-called "tolerant") territorial claims to neighbors. Especially pay attention to the fact that Mongolia (Mongolia, or in Chinese - “Outer Mongolia”) is not generally considered a state, but is presented as a province of China ...
        1. marshes
          marshes 7 May 2013 14: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Chicot 1
          Do you think that these swallows from the Middle Kingdom will be satisfied with only one Primorsky Territory? .. You obviously do not underestimate the Chinese appetite ...

          Well, the Han people will not climb another matter of the Mongols, if they recover, they consider the territory of the Inner Mongolia and part of Eastern Siberia their own, look at the peoples professing Buddhism. Before the Yakuts, they also seem to be Turks, Haks and other small nations.
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 7 May 2013 17: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: marshes
            Well, the Han people will not climb another matter of the Mongols

            Where and most importantly what will the Mongols get into? .. In China, to fight Inner Mogul with a couple of hundreds of tanks and several dozens of aircraft ... Here neither the spirit of the great Genghis Khan nor Gautama Siddhartha himself, better known as Buddha, will help them ...
            But the Han people can just climb. And they have plenty of opportunities for this ...
            1. marshes
              marshes 7 May 2013 18: 09 New
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              Quote: Chicot 1
              But the Han people can just climb.

              Han, heat-loving. I was there, as the ban ended, Han Nan, Guangzhou-RAY. What for somewhere else to climb?
              Manchurians, yes, Mongols, and only if they get out of Khantsev’s rule. Natural fossils? They say you will bring some candy from us to the city and you will buy it.
              Remember, the Chinese had an admiral with a large fleet of what ended. But they can pay and arm the people's liberation movement, at least remember Afghanistan in the 80s.
              1. Chicot 1
                Chicot 1 7 May 2013 21: 50 New
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                Quote: marshes
                Han, heat-loving.

                Heat loving has never been a special obstacle to the acquisition of new territories. Moreover, a person has a feature of acclimatization. That is, it gets used to the climatic conditions in which it lives ...
                And the fact that the Chinese climbed to explore the Arctic is an example more than indicative ...
                Quote: marshes
                Manchurians, yes, the Mongols, and only if they come out of the power of the Han.

                It is unlikely. At least for the foreseeable future. The Han people hold them tight, and in the event of a rebellion they will not change their minds ...
                Quote: marshes
                Natural resources? They say you will bring from g. We will make candy and you will buy.

                As long as the arms are short and there is no direct access, you can say that ...
                Quote: marshes
                Remember the Chinese Admiral was with a large fleet than it ended.

                Yes, I heard about this poor fellow ... But the right word should not compare ancient China with modern. These are two different things however ...
                Quote: marshes
                But they can pay and arm the national liberation movement, at least remember Afghanistan in the 80s.

                The support of the PRC Mujahideen in Afghanistan for me is more than enough for me not to trust comrades from the Middle Kingdom ...
                Quote: marshes
                What for somewhere else to climb?

                Eh, Bolot, I would like your optimism in this Chinese theme ... wink
    2. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 7 May 2013 14: 31 New
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      Quote: Corsair5912
      China does not need Siberia for 4/5 occupied by permafrost with a capacity of up to 800 m.

      Dear Nicholas, apparently you do not know about the minerals contained in this very permafrost and under it? Or have you safely forgotten? ..

      Quote: Corsair5912
      In addition, China in the west and in the north is separated from Russia by vast deserts and mountains.

      Remember such an old Soviet film called “Through the Gobi and Khingan”? .. So neither mountains, nor deserts, nor rivers with flood meadows are absolute protection from a well-trained army ...

      Quote: Corsair5912
      The author is right

      No, dear Nikolai, the author is wrong!
    3. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 7 May 2013 15: 07 New
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      That Gamalai and Tibet will plow at an altitude of eight thousand meters, wait for heavy rains in the Gobi desert !!!! laughing
      You are right, big deserts, here Yenisei and Lena will irrigate them !!!!
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 7 May 2013 12: 15 New
    +6
    Worse enemies can only be cunning friends... (Yes! It's me about the "great" China.)
    And also toadies who know only one song - "All is well, beautiful marquise" ...
    But I consider the question of who pays Mr. Mikheev a salary very relevant ...
  • Alex66
    Alex66 7 May 2013 12: 25 New
    +4
    In childhood, when I wanted something, but didn’t let it, they said: “I don’t need this garbage.” China is doing the same until it can’t take it, says that it does not need Siberia. Baby talk, not politics.
  • kush62
    kush62 7 May 2013 12: 25 New
    +4
    Near Krasnoyarsk they have already spoiled so much land. For many years the land is not suitable for agricultural work. Now it seems like they took up them, demolished a huge number of greenhouses.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 7 May 2013 12: 41 New
      +2
      Near Chelyabinsk in 2008, they also demolished (they even showed it on TV), but for some reason they only became more !!!
    2. Egen
      Egen 7 May 2013 13: 04 New
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      Quote: kush62
      Near Krasnoyarsk, so much land has been spoiled

      Yeah, you don’t have so many near Krasnoyarsk - at least greenhouses, I judge by the film sold for them :) Here it’s more near Abakan - the climate is warmer :))
  • drei612
    drei612 7 May 2013 12: 33 New
    +3
    The comrade certainly never was in those parts. And what is he sitting at the institute, even if you don’t know that the geopolitical situation can change in one day. Something similar, the Pravda newspaper, published a week before the war about our German friends.
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 7 May 2013 12: 36 New
    +3
    But the States are interested in: - "it is not fair when Siberia belongs to one country" / Madeleine Albright - US Secretary of State /.
  • T-130
    T-130 7 May 2013 12: 39 New
    +3
    Everything seems to be correct, but why then China is actively arming itself? For the defense, aircraft carriers are completely unnecessary.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 7 May 2013 14: 52 New
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      Quote: T-130
      For defense, aircraft carriers are completely unnecessary.

      They need even less to attack Russia.
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 7 May 2013 12: 40 New
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    Quote: Semen Albertovich
    But the States are interested in: - "it is not fair when Siberia belongs to one country" / Madeleine Albright - US Secretary of State /.

    She belonged, belongs and will belong to Russia !!! It may not belong to Russia only in one case, if the earth lands on the celestial axis!
  • maximus_1974
    maximus_1974 7 May 2013 12: 41 New
    +5
    With tangerines you can’t relax !!!!!!!!!!!!!! RUSSIA HAS NO FRIENDS AND ALLIES EXCEPT THE ARMY AND NAVY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 7 May 2013 12: 45 New
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    Quote: maximus_1974
    With tangerines to relax

    If allergies can begin to overeat, in my opinion it has either begun, or will begin soon!
  • Roll
    Roll 7 May 2013 12: 48 New
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    belay I would also like to highlight such a question, now it seems that the struggle has begun for our managers of governors, mayors and other bureaucrats. American influence is gradually being supplanted by Chinese in some areas. But when there will be pro-Chinese power in Siberia, the meaning of occupation will disappear by itself. And then what is everyone so afraid of the Chinese. They, unlike Caucasians, for example, live separately in their tea towns. Especially the natives are not annoyed. As for resources, well, they lie in the ground, to sense from them. Or are now being mined by our companies, what are we? It falls a lot. As for the land, we have that Israel has little land. Yes, her horseradish is not scented, bleached overgrown. Well, the Chinese will stockpile the Baraba steppes, harvest the crops and that they’ll take them all to China, but they will do our relatives for us, and if the prices of the Chinese drop well done. As far as the land is being barbarously cultivated, so far we do not have any guarantees of property, and if the land is rented for 50 years they will be normally cultivated.
    1. kerozin1982
      kerozin1982 7 May 2013 21: 52 New
      +1
      Dear Rolm, what is your eye shape? And is your skin color not yellow?
  • fenix57
    fenix57 7 May 2013 12: 54 New
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    "- People do not need to be afraid, there is no expansion."- you think so ...

    How Chinese are taught history - the information war see http://www.liveinternet.ru/tags/%EA%E8%F2%E0%E9%F1%EA%E8%E5+%EA%E0%F0%F2%FB/
  • ekebastus
    ekebastus 7 May 2013 12: 58 New
    +3
    Today, China seems to many in the world a sort of colossus, pumping its muscles day by day. In many ways, this is the case, although the huge population makes the outwardly rapidly developing state internally poor and burdened with a mass of problems. There are no friends at the borders of China either. Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, even communist Vietnam are not enemies at best. China has its own Chechnya. But not as small and weak as in Russia, but from a geopolitical and geoeconomic point of view, a hundred times more significant. This is the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.
    At first glance, there is nothing dangerous there. With a dozen or two million Muslims who are absolutely alien to atheistically Confucian China. Absolutely impoverished and almost completely illiterate (like 80% of their oppressors are Han people). But there is oil in Xinjiang. Oil is one of the most vulnerable places. Recently, the country has stepped over a psychologically and economically important mark - oil imports exceeded 50% of its total consumption in the country (to be precise, imports account for 55%). But of the remaining 45%, a significant part is shaken from Xinjiang. The Xinjiang Uygur region is one of the main "oil fields" of China. Thus, the oil reserves of this autonomous region amount to 21 billion tons. (30% of all China's reserves), gas - 1,1 trillion. cubic meters (34% of the reserves of the whole country). About 30 million tons of oil and 22 billion cubic meters of gas are produced annually in Xinjiang. One can imagine what will happen to China if it is deprived as a result of the next “orange uprising" or a long terrorist war of such a volume of energy carriers.
    A gas line from Turkmenistan passes through Xinjiang. So far, 10 billion cubic meters of gas are pumped through it per year, but after 5 years, its throughput will increase to 30-40 billion. And this is already a third of the country's gas consumption (it is about 90 billion cubic meters per year). Among China’s neighbors there is someone to bring the country to a pen ... So Russia is China’s most valuable and calm neighbor ..
  • ekebastus
    ekebastus 7 May 2013 13: 03 New
    +3
    Burma. Since the late 1940s, China’s southern neighbor has not known stability. A third of the country's population are national minorities, the most belligerent of which are Karen. In eastern Burma, they created their unrecognized state. Two more unrecognized states - in the north of the country, near the Chinese border - created the Shan and Kachin tribes. Today, neutrality is maintained between the central government of Burma and these three unrecognized states on its territory. But there is no reason to doubt that with skillful “conducting” from abroad, a war in Burma could erupt at any moment. The situation is aggravated by the fact that several million representatives of the tribes who created their state in Burma live in neighboring China. And one cannot exclude the possibility that armed conflict could spread into the jungle of China.
    Thailand. In this country, the largest tension node is its southern part, Pattani province. It is populated by Muslims. The guerrilla war in this region almost ended only in the 1970s. The latest punitive operations by the authorities took place in Pattani in the mid-1980s. However, in 2004, a new powerful partisan group was created in the province - “The Movement of Islamic Mujahideen in the Province of Pattani”. It is noteworthy that this province is located at the entrance to the Strait of Molucca - through which up to 70% of Chinese imports pass.
    Indonesia. Political scientists call this country an “artificial construct”. The country has 17 thousand islands, dozens of tribes, but power belongs exclusively to the “Javanese clan”.
    The most controversial region is considered the province of Ace. Since the late 1970s, a radical partisan group called the Movement for Free Ache has been operating here. Their main slogan is similar to the separatist slogan of many commodity countries: “The Center leaves us only 5% of our oil and gas revenues. We want the opposite ratio - 95% of the province, 5% - to the Center. ” For two decades, 15 thousand people died here in a local war. Finally, in 2006, the central government made concessions - it now leaves 70% of all oil and gas revenues in Ace, legalized the Movement (it immediately won the local elections). However, the radical part of the partisans continues to demand that 95% of the income be left or independence at all.
    The second problem region in Indonesia is West Papua (through the waters of this island there are supplies of ore and food from Australia to China). Here, too, the partisan struggle unfolded in the struggle for raw material income - the province has the largest gold mines, and the "federal center" took the same 95% of the income from gold mining. In 2006, the government also granted wide autonomy to Western Papua, but local partisans do not want to stop there and demand independence.
    Formerly, the former Indonesian province of East Timor gained independence. It is possible that with skillful work from the outside, the “orange revolution” in Indonesia can lead to a parade of sovereignty - potentially 15-20 new states can form here, and the armed struggle of the separatists can paralyze shipping in this region.
  • ekebastus
    ekebastus 7 May 2013 13: 04 New
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    Malaysia. / Since the 1950s, there has been a smoldering conflict between central government and Marxist partisans. In the 1980s, the Islamists became the new opposition to the regime. There are also serious ethnic tensions between Malays and ethnic Chinese in the country — in particular, they own 75% of the country's private business with a population share of 23%.
    Philippines. For decades in the province of Mindanao in the south of the country, a guerrilla struggle continues between the Islamists and the central government. In its course, tens of thousands of people died. The Philippine authorities are confident that partisans (the number of militants reaches 12-15 thousand) are financed by Saudi Arabia.
    Also on the territory of the island there are organizations of various left orientation - the Maoist Communist Party of the Philippines and the Trotskyist Revolutionary Workers Party of Mindanao, which have their own armed formations. At the same time, both the Maoists and the Trotskyists in recent years have transferred their partisan activities to the northern territories inhabited by Catholics.
    Ideally, the ruling clans of the Persian Gulf dream of turning Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, the southern part of the Philippines, Thailand and Burma into the "New Asian Caliphate." The “Old Caliphate” would include the territory of North Africa, the Persian Gulf and Central Asia. As a result, China will be caught in ticks by two Caliphates - from the west and southeast.
  • Circle
    Circle 7 May 2013 13: 05 New
    +2
    Media: Chinese troops entered the territory of Tajikistan http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/05/07/1125818.html
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 7 May 2013 13: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    As they say only business and nothing personal.

    But a lot of superfluous (Chinese).
  • individual
    individual 7 May 2013 13: 26 New
    +3
    In 1969 During the Daman events, I served an urgent unit deployed in Arkhara. We were prepared for the transfer, but something did not "grow together." As I remember the words of the political leader - China lays claim to the Amur Region and Primorsky Territory, where valuable soil and developed infrastructure are available. And the rest of Russia (then the USSR) they do not need.
    What has changed now is probably the explored and mastered production of oil, gas and other useful minerals.
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 7 May 2013 13: 28 New
    +3
    And what's the difference, who will buy, Americans or Europeans? All the same, everyone pays in dollars. Investing in our infrastructure, in Rosneft, building an oil pipeline - all this is in the interests of both partners, as I understand it.

    I would be ashamed to say such a thing, to allow "investors" to the oil crane in the interests of only one of the "partners". Looks like it was sold with "dollars paid" and it doesn’t matter to anyone "Who cares who buys, Americans or Europeans?" Hang those.
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  • fenix57
    fenix57 7 May 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    "In general, understand: the cooperation that develops between Russia and China includes, among other things, the cooperation of the criminal structures of the two countries" - this (Sorry) PIDORAS, THAT HAS DELIVERED, .... ALL WRITTEN .... WORD NETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ....................
  • dimon-media
    dimon-media 7 May 2013 13: 36 New
    -1
    Oh damn, Harosh nightmare us. 100 years ago everything was in the Chinese, twenty years ago (after perestroika) everything was in the Chinese, but when will the Chinese finally capture us ?! yes never !!! China’s gut is thin against us! They spread these horror stories with a specialist, as well as about doomsday, of which there were an incredible number and I have died in these ends about five times already! It’s a nightmare that you and I are brainwashed and don’t think about the essentials, about politics and whether there is life on Mars. Well zadolbal already these yellow-faced in the Far East. How much can you already .. Understand, if someone wanted something, they would have done anything with us in the early 90s. There were times of anarchy and drunken stupor. It’s too late to drink Borjomi, the train left. Pindos, by the way, also missed their chance.
  • tt75tt
    tt75tt 7 May 2013 13: 37 New
    +7
    I live in the Far East, and compared with the 90s, the Chinese are fewer. But Caucasians are many times more. They buy up the whole small business, especially trade. A Chinese or Caucasian, horseradish radish is not sweeter.
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 7 May 2013 13: 40 New
      +7
      Yes, these goblins can do nothing more than trade. Black will never go to the factory to turn the nuts. She’ll be bumming, and only .. It’s not only they bought the whole small business from you in the Far East, but also from us in Nizhny Novgorod.
    2. cyclist
      cyclist 7 May 2013 13: 47 New
      +2
      in-in! only terrible catch up lived in Primorye for 2 years, the Chinese do not argue, of course more than in the Western parts of Russia, but there are about the same number of Tajiks, and they often confuse the Chinese with the Koreans and Vietnamese, hence hasty conclusions, I do not defend China, if you want them was less, it is necessary to tighten legislation in migration policy !!
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 7 May 2013 13: 38 New
    +2
    this is not the answer. here I am writing specifically - 1.154 million people live in Omsk. the question is - how many Chinese live in Omsk? I ask specifically how A unit of man-shower of Chinese manufacture lives in the city of Omsk.
    now when I get an answer, then we can discuss whether there are many or few Chinese in Omsk. [/ quote]
    How do you imagine recounting illegal immigrants ????
  • dimon-media
    dimon-media 7 May 2013 13: 48 New
    +1
    That's all complain about the high birth rate of legal and illegal immigrants from China and from the Caucasus. Type A, we have a small birth rate and high mortality. So what prevents us from multiplying and populating everything with Russians ?? The Chinese in the Far East also have little income and to say that reluctance to breed poverty is not an argument! It's just that the people have no interest in reproduction and their own problems and careers are a priority!
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 7 May 2013 15: 34 New
      +1
      It’s useless for Muslims to suggest that giving birth and giving birth is bad. They are not suggestible in this plan. Like the Chinese and Indians, though they live poorly, they give birth. But the white race is reduced. Even in Africa they give birth more, although they die there from hunger, but give birth anyway.
      here by the way an interesting video, I think few of you have seen it!

      Angola Africa. The colossal rates of economic growth over the past 6-7 years have not affected the well-being of the majority of the country's population, where many are undernourished. In the hinterland, people don’t even know what kind of money officials from the capital, the city of Luanda, who in 2009 was recognized as the most expensive city in the world!

      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 7 May 2013 18: 10 New
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        I am shocked by this .. belay
  • fenix57
    fenix57 7 May 2013 13: 51 New
    +1
    " - Vasily Vasilyevich, do our people really fear the Chinese so in vain?

    People do not need to be afraid, there is no expansion. It’s just that someone writes some kind of stories, and some media outlets replicate them without knowing anything.
    "-AND THIS (I KNOW TAKE OFF ...) PIDORAS SPEAKS FOR THE FAR EAST .... EH .. WHAT YOU WITHOUT EAST ..! HEY ... WEST ... THE SUN IS RISING hi AND OUR HOMELAND HEATS
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 7 May 2013 13: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: dimon-media
    That's all complain about the high birth rate of legal and illegal immigrants from China and from the Caucasus. Type A, we have a small birth rate and high mortality. So what prevents us from multiplying and populating everything with Russians ?? The Chinese in the Far East also have little income and to say that reluctance to breed poverty is not an argument! It's just that the people have no interest in reproduction and their own problems and careers are a priority!

    Previously, the joke was about Chinese condoms).
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 7 May 2013 13: 55 New
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      laughing ))))) which is true, true)) At least in some ways the Chinese helped us))
      Quote: avant-garde
      Previously, the joke was about Chinese condoms).
  • Vtel
    Vtel 7 May 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    - No, absolutely not claiming. The issue of the border at our official level is finally settled. Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Deputy Director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations (IMEMO) Vasily Mikheev answers the questions.

    It’s just Zamov’s problem. If he were to become a director, he could say anything, even the fact that Russia has been one of the US states since 1917. In general, Vasily is clearly driving or he is drunk or he is a corresponding member.
  • washi
    washi 7 May 2013 14: 02 New
    -1
    People are not afraid of the Chinese. Siberia is a dead land for them. In northern China, many apartment buildings are empty. Our people buy and live there. Cheaper than ours. Many pensioners sold apartments in Russia, bought there. In China, they have enough pensions for living. At the place of our pension fund, I would relocate ALL pensioners there.
    There is a traditional territory of China. There is Manchuria. The Chinese are traditionalists. In the markets - fields - youth - the military. They were given the task - they are doing it. The party said it is necessary.
    1. Egen
      Egen 7 May 2013 15: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasya
      In northern China, many apartment buildings are empty.

      Yes, in the south of China, even empty cities saw 12-16 et. houses with all infrastructure. Yes, and the prices there are lower, and life is generally cheaper, you can live well in retirement, and the Russians are not so worse than the others (they only have sworn enemies in Japan), although for some reason Germans just love it - for no reason :) Yes, in Beijing, courtyards and quarters - well, just like in any city in our city quarters with Hrushevka houses, but not 5 floors, but 12 :).
      BUT. Food is still disgusting :), there is no sour cream, in principle, and there is no way to eat a Beijing duck :) And most importantly, the East is a delicate matter, how many Chinese people there are, I seem to know them through and through, but still you can’t always predict how they will lead yourself in what situation and what they say ... the devil knows them with their eastern mentality ...
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 7 May 2013 20: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Egen
        sour cream, in principle, no,

        The Uighurs sour cream is sold under the word alien to the Russian rumor ... KEFIR! laughing When I first found it (after two years in China), I ate a liter of sour cream with a tortilla ... Since I was not used to it (weaned rather,) I digested it for a long time! Puke even ... sorry for the details. repeat
        Quote: Egen
        Peking duck is generally impossible

        You do not judge so categorically from your experience. In addition, you need to know the place. wink
        Quote: Egen
        the devil knows them with their eastern mentality ...

        Lying is a sign of the mind. Religion is money. Compassion is a weakness that is not a sin to take advantage of. Foreigners are dirty animals. Their women are lyady.
        Here is their mentality!
        1. Egen
          Egen 8 May 2013 08: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Gamar
          You do not judge so categorically from your experience. In addition, you need to know the place

          I’m with a smiley :), and this is IMHO :) A Chinese friend drove to some restaurant on the outskirts, where exactly the duck they thought was real. The restaurant I don’t remember the name, but the architecture of the area is very similar to our 90's :) I couldn’t get this duck ... too fat somehow and generally ... They got used to their vodka with dozens of sauces, peleshki with herbs, but duck - nooo :)) Chinese cuisine is good in the USA :))