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Armenia launches large-scale modernization of armored vehicles and air defense systems

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Armenia launches large-scale modernization of armored vehicles and air defense systemsThe process of deep modernization of armored vehicles and air defense systems has been launched in Armenia. This REGNUM news agency has learned from sources in the Ministry of Defense of the country.


In particular, the source said that a major overhaul and modernization was launched at a joint venture with Poland tanks T-72, to the level of RT-72U. The tank will receive a new power plant with a capacity of 1000 hp, improved dynamic protection, trellised screens covering the aft of the hull and turret of the tank. An autonomous turret will be installed, with remote control, equipped with a 12,7 mm machine gun. The machine will also receive a circular surveillance system with 8 cameras, a panoramic thermal imaging sight and a new communication system. The crew’s comfort will also be enhanced - an air conditioning system is installed in the tank. All these changes make it possible to bring the standard T-72 to the level of the latest Russian and Ukrainian tanks T-90 and BM Oplot.

Infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1 and BMP-2 will also be overhauled, at a joint venture with the Russian Federation, and in the process will be seriously upgraded, with a real improvement in tactical and technical characteristics - new anti-tank missiles and 30 mm guns will be installed.

Particular attention is paid to the modernization of air defense systems, the source said. In addition to the already well-known modernization of the OCA-AKM systems, the sensitivity of the C-300PT-1 and C-300PS systems, with an increase in sensitivity, especially at night, has been launched, together with the Russian Federation, to the level of C-300ПМ. The complex will be equipped with new 48H6E missiles, instead of the old 5В55Р, which will increase the firing range from 75 km to 150 km. The new radar provides a target detection range of up to 300 km, and the possibility of firing 6 targets at the same time, guiding each 2-x missiles at a time.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 May 2013 10: 46
    11
    But here is an adequate response to the Azerbaijani actions ... The only thing that is not clear. All types of weapons will be modernized along with specialists from the Russian Federation, with the exception of tanks. What did the Poles manage to do something new with T72?
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 7 May 2013 10: 49
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      That the Poles managed to do something new with the T72


      Offer the best conditions ...
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 May 2013 11: 04
        +4
        Quote: kostella85
        Quote: svp67
        That the Poles managed to do something new with the T72


        Offer the best conditions ...

        A priori, she cannot offer better conditions, because in Armenia all the equipment and everything else Russian specialists within the framework of the CSTO does at Russian prices, although I cannot believe that Polish prices are lower than domestic prices ... although I may be mistaken.
        1. the gray wolf
          the gray wolf 7 May 2013 12: 08
          28 th
          Quote: Yeraz
          Apriori, she cannot offer the best conditions, because in Armenia all the equipment and everything else Russian specialists within the framework of the CST are doing at domestic prices

          not only at Russian prices, but also with Russian money, someone will not get pensions in Russia. Let Moder. anyway, it will burn with a bright flame, already from Moscow it will be seen wassat
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 7 May 2013 12: 53
            13
            Quote: Boz Qurd
            not only at Russian prices, but also with Russian money, someone will not get pensions in Russia. Let Moder. anyway, it will burn with a bright flame, already from Moscow it will be visible wassat

            How cuckered) You would have thought first on what they buy equipment in Azerbaijan. Someone will not get a pension there.)
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 22
              14 th
              If necessary, we will give the last shirt, but free the MOTHERLAND. And who are you trying for? and whom do you feed at the expense of your retirees, and for what?
              1. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution 7 May 2013 15: 58
                +4
                Quote: xetai9977
                If necessary, we will give the last shirt, but free the MOTHERLAND. And who are you trying for? and whom do you feed at the expense of your retirees, and for what?

                For the sake of such "liberators" not to come to us. And at the expense of what these are not your worries, and read about pensions, maybe in Azerbaijan they are being removed from pensions for scrap, in the Russian Federation there is no such thing.)) And it's a pity I would have thrown myself into a couple of tactical missiles.)
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 7 May 2013 16: 02
                  -9
                  so live as you deserve wassat wassat laughing
                  1. Phantom Revolution
                    Phantom Revolution 7 May 2013 17: 39
                    +8
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    live like you deserve wassat wassat laughing

                    And this is what the man tells me, whose people are fleeing from his country to mine, in the hope of a better life?) Have you at least trained in the ability to hurt your opponent.) I live well and I do not, unlike you, hope that I will return Karabakh to me milk rivers and jelly banks will flow.) But you are in the clouds and you are very naive.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 13: 45
            10
            Quote: Boz Qurd
            not only at Russian prices, but also with Russian money, someone will not get pensions in Russia.

            Yes, we somehow have money, it's you all spend on weapons, and the pillow on Aliyev’s personal account wassat Looks like he lives on your principle, everything is for the people, and the people are my family laughing
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 24
              0
              Yes, and your leaders are not models of honesty wassat
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            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 34
              0
              who are you talking to?
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          4. Reasonable, 2,3
            Reasonable, 2,3 7 May 2013 15: 52
            +6
            And we need to separate them again. Leave Moscow, and increase your defense resistance yourself, both 1 and 2.
        2. adg76
          adg76 7 May 2013 12: 45
          +5
          Maybe this is an attempt to access Polish technology? Although unlikely
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 7 May 2013 15: 23
          +4
          I think it is primarily a matter of timing, not quality.
          I guess (of course there is no such information).

          When upgrading to T-72B3, new thermal imaging sights are installed.
          Capacities for the production of sights and their critical components are more than limited (actually the most complicated
          optoelectronic complex).

          Given that in Russia now it seems that they are upgrading under 100 cars a year, the capacities for the production of sights in the Russian Federation / Belarus are fully occupied.
          Those. need another supplier. Preferably with a ready-made solution for modernization.

          Here the Poles came up.
          The alternative is Slovaks, Ukraine.

          But here, apparently, the Russian Federation did not agree to Ukrainians (this is if the expenses really go to Russian money).
          And Ukrainians are actively working with Azerbaijan.
          It is clear that the Armenians will not trust them with military equipment:
          in a conflict situation, when it will be necessary to choose, Ukrainians will choose not a Russian ally, but a richer client.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 33
            -7
            Quote: cdrt
            But here, apparently, the Russian Federation

            but the Russian Federation itself does not know how to upgrade?))))))))
            This is an ally of the CSTO member again with NATO)))))))))
            1. wax
              wax 8 May 2013 10: 50
              0
              Russia makes Iskander-M.
        4. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 7 May 2013 17: 01
          -3
          Another Armenian bluff, where did they get the money for modernization?
    2. Kars
      Kars 7 May 2013 10: 58
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      upgrade with specialists from the Russian Federation, with the exception of tanks

      Because Azerbaijan is cooperating with Ukraine, and it’s not comme il faut for Ukraine to modernize the tanks of Armenia.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 14
        -6
        Quote: Kars
        Because Azerbaijan is cooperating with Ukraine, and it’s not comme il faut for Ukraine to modernize the tanks of Armenia.

        I assure you that this will turn out to be mildly untrue!
        I mean * deep * modernization together with Poland !!
        There was infa that I’m trying with Poland to issue cartridges, toli bulletproof vests !!
        Firstly, they don’t have the means to do this; secondly, our Minister of Defense went to Poland almost a week after the message and they are already talking about preparing large military contracts !!
        Surely Poland made an offer that she could not refuse !!!
        And in any case, no modernization will save Armenia, of which I am one hundred percent sure!
        1. Petrospek
          Petrospek 7 May 2013 14: 50
          +8
          I agree with you, it will not save, but Armenia has an Ally, so there will not even be a war.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 35
            -2
            Quote: Petrospek
            I agree with you, it will not save, but Armenia has an Ally, so there will not even be a war.

            Well this is another question ...
            Is ALLY ??
            will they stay ???
            1. Petrospek
              Petrospek 7 May 2013 20: 01
              +4
              No doubt, yes, all the more so in the event of an attack by Azerbaijan on Russia, Russia will also resolve the issue of oil transit.
              And after Georgia (I mean the treacherous attack of the Georgians on the de facto independent state), the comrades from the European Union will not be so zealous in shouting "Putin is a tyrant and strangler of great authoritarian democracy."
              Except Turkey, of course, since it is losing the buffer between itself and Iran.
        2. Kars
          Kars 7 May 2013 15: 02
          +4
          Quote: Yarbay
          will not save, I'm sure of that

          I don’t know who will save someone or not, and it’s not particularly interesting. I’ll tell you honestly.
          I was puzzled by the question of SVP67, I wrote why Ukraine is probably not doing this. I can offer a couple of options why the Russian Federation is not involved in modernizing the tanks of Armenia.
          UVZ has set such a price that ..
          UVZ is too busy with armature, and it is not up to Armenian tanks
          The proposed upgrades did not suit the customer.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 14
            0
            Quote: Kars
            UVZ is too busy with armature, and it is not up to Armenian tanks
            The proposed upgrades did not suit the customer.

            Yes, and Poland will not do this, I mean it !!
            It will not be cheaper and ours will not give !!
            Poland will make an offer that he can’t refuse, as far as I understand already done !!
            Quote: Kars
            I don’t know who will save someone or not, and it’s not particularly interesting. I’ll tell you honestly.

            Yes, I did not write about this in principle!
          2. svp67
            svp67 7 May 2013 19: 21
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            I can offer a couple of options why the Russian Federation is not involved in the modernization of tanks in Armenia.

            And the option that our specialists want to get to know some foreign solutions more thoroughly ... Didn’t it occur to you?
        3. Don
          Don 8 May 2013 13: 01
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          I assure you that this will turn out to be mildly untrue!

          I understand that you, as a citizen of Azerbaijan, protect his interests. But let's be more objective.
          Quote: Yarbay
          our defense minister went to Poland almost a week after that report

          Quote: Yarbay
          Surely Poland made an offer that she could not refuse !!!

          Your minister is not Don Corleone. wink You see, only Washington and Brussels can influence Poland. And in Washington, there has always been a strong Armenian lobby.
          Quote: Yarbay
          First, they don’t have the money to do so.

          Why do you think so? If they do not have oil, then there is no money? To modernize tanks and infantry fighting vehicles is not a squadron of aircraft to purchase and not a fleet to build. This billion dollars are not needed.
          Quote: Yarbay
          And in any case, no modernization will save Armenia, of which I am one hundred percent sure!

          Many were sure that in the early 90s no one and nothing would save Armenia from the larger army of Azerbaijan, but practice showed something else.
          1. armandos
            armandos 7 June 2013 23: 03
            0
            Look out Don, now yarbay will throw you links (100%, as he likes to put it) with vesti.az
        4. armandos
          armandos 7 June 2013 23: 00
          0
          Do you say one hundred percent? Oh well! )))
      2. svp67
        svp67 7 May 2013 19: 19
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        Because Azerbaijan is cooperating with Ukraine, and it’s not comme il faut for Ukraine to modernize the tanks of Armenia.
        That is, you are sure that if Armenia turned to Ukraine with such a request, the latter would “proudly” refuse? Do not make me laugh...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 7 May 2013 20: 47
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          That is, you are sure that if Armenia turned to Ukraine with such a request, the latter would “proudly” refuse? Do not make me laugh...

          Why it is ridiculous ??? What order volumes can Armenia offer in the future?
          And Azerbaijan is steadily providing the military-industrial complex of Ukraine with solid contracts!
          Why should Ukraine run for a trifle if it can lose a larger partner because of this !!
          Surely Azerbaijan puts such conditions !! Recently there has been a precedent, such as * leak * of a secret document according to which Ukraine sold some kind of weapon to Armenia! Ukraine has denied and categorically !!
          But there were a lot of unpleasant conversations!
          1. Beck
            Beck 7 May 2013 21: 25
            +2
            Azerbaijan needs to join the CSTO, in my opinion. If the conflict with Armenia breaks out again, it will be an internal conflict within the framework of the CSTO. If Azerbaijan remains outside the CSTO, then a possible conflict with Armenia will oppose Azerbaijan to all other members of the CSTO.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 7 May 2013 22: 46
              +1
              Quote: Beck
              If Azerbaijan remains outside the CSTO, then a possible conflict with Armenia will oppose Azerbaijan to all other members of the CSTO.

              Everyone saw the reaction of the CSTO countries to the conflict in Georgia, and considering that Azerbaijan has perfect relations with the CSTO countries, politically, economically, and culturally as Muslim Turks, the reaction will be quite normal. I’m even sure that there will be supplies from Kazakhstan and it’s possible we’ll provide it with the Belarusians. Old Man remembers when Putin wanted to bend him, who didn’t let him face him in the dirt, giving them a vital loan to Putin. There is no need to worry about the CSTO countries. CSTO is a dummy is Russia and that’s it.
              1. Beck
                Beck 7 May 2013 23: 04
                +2
                Quote: Yeraz
                There is no need to worry about the CSTO countries at all. The CSTO is a dummy Russia and all


                So then it is. CSTO is not NATO. But it can serve as a formal excuse for this or that.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 8 May 2013 00: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: Beck
                  So then it is. CSTO is not NATO. But it can serve as a formal excuse for this or that.

                  It won’t help anything. The Armenians think separately concluded a 2-way agreement with Russia on the protection of Armenia, when there is a CSTO charter ?? because they understand the CSTO is not that helping Armenia, they will not say a single word against Azerbaijan will cost only words countries need to peacefully decide, and besides, unofficially, Azerbaijan will buy weapons from them.
                  1. Don
                    Don 8 May 2013 13: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    She will not help anything

                    In the CSTO, the main role is played by the Russian Federation, as well as in the US NATO. In any NATO operation, the US acted on its own. Did they really need the support of the Danish or Luxembourg army? Only political support. So it is with the CSTO.
              2. Don
                Don 8 May 2013 13: 08
                +1
                Quote: Yeraz
                Everyone saw the reaction of the CSTO countries to the conflict in Georgia, and given that Azerbaijan has perfect relations with the CSTO countries

                And what was the reaction supposed to be? There was a normal reaction. All together condemned Georgia. And what all had to attack her? So, firstly, the Russian Federation itself managed in 5 days, and secondly, at that time Abkhazia and South Ossetia were not recognized states and they are not part of the CSTO. So why is it that Kazakhstan or Belarus should have opposed Georgia? And Georgia also had good relations with many members of the CSTO.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 7 May 2013 23: 30
              +1
              Quote: Beck
              Azerbaijan needs to join CSTO, in my opinion

              I think it's impossible!
              How do you imagine that we will be an aggressor in the Union with the country! ??
              illogical !!
              1. Beck
                Beck 7 May 2013 23: 55
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                I think this is impossible! How do you imagine that we will be an aggressor in the Union with the country! ?? illogical !!


                Yes, at least how. If a conflict begins between Azerbaijan and Armenia, then there is probably a clause in the CSTO charter. That in case of a CSTO member’s conflict with someone, other members will have to render all possible assistance to their member who has entered into conflict. In this situation, if not practically formally, you can do all sorts of demarches. If a conflict occurs between two members of the CSTO, then even formal demarches cannot be in principle.
              2. DmitriRazumov
                DmitriRazumov 8 May 2013 14: 12
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                Quote: Beck
                Azerbaijan needs to join CSTO, in my opinion

                I think it's impossible!
                How do you imagine that we will be an aggressor in the Union with the country! ??
                illogical !!

                I propose to recall the war of Argentina-England over the Falklands. Both countries are NATO members, which did not stop them from sorting out relations by force of arms ...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 8 May 2013 14: 44
                  0
                  Quote: DmitriRazumov
                  Argentina-England over the Falklands. Both NATO member states


                  Well, this explains a lot about your personality Argetina Ives NATO)))))
                  from what year do not tell me? and do they know about it in Argentina or NATO?
                  1. DmitriRazumov
                    DmitriRazumov 8 May 2013 15: 15
                    0
                    Here is an inaccuracy, but
                    Great Britain as a member of NATO was an ally of the United States. But Argentina was also linked to the United States by the 1947 Inter-American Treaty of Mutual Assistance (the “Rio Pact”). Those. The United States, as the main player, had to provide military assistance to both countries.

                    Quote: Kars
                    Well it explains a lot about your personality

                    It is not clear why you are not happy with my personality?
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 8 May 2013 17: 42
                      0
                      Quote: DmitriRazumov
                      It’s not clear why you are not happy with my personality.

                      The fact that you with such knowledge of affairs accepted Agrentina into NATO, and the inaccuracy of sylats is not even ridiculous. Did the USA Iraq support it at one time, and what is it in NATO?
            3. wax
              wax 8 May 2013 11: 00
              +1
              Azerbaijan turned in the opposite direction. Russia concluded. One can only hope that the situation of the Caucasian intricacies of interests will be eliminated by Russia by relatively peaceful means.
            4. wax
              wax 8 May 2013 11: 00
              0
              Azerbaijan turned in the opposite direction. Russia concluded. One can only hope that the situation of the Caucasian intricacies of interests will be eliminated by Russia by relatively peaceful means.
    3. avt
      avt 7 May 2013 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      What did the Poles manage to do something new with the T72?

      Yeah, buy used Leopards, thus eliminating the remnants of the Soviet "totalitarian" era. laughing
      1. Kars
        Kars 7 May 2013 11: 16
        +6
        Quote: avt
        Yeah, buy used Leopards, thus eliminating the remnants of the Soviet "totalitarian" era

        It is still in service. PT-91 `` TWARDY '', as well as the plant for their production, that the entry into NATO did not degrade the plant, and did not transfer it to the production of gay paraphernalia.
        1. DmitriRazumov
          DmitriRazumov 8 May 2013 11: 40
          -3
          Quote: Kars
          that the entry into NATO didn’t deactivate the plant, and did not translate it into the release of gay attributes.

          Are you trying to prove that for Ukraine, the path to NATO and the EU is preferable to an alliance with Russia? So it was already in history. Remember at least Uniya. At first, everything was fine, then the Catholic rulers from Krakow began to demand the conversion of all Orthodox Christians to Catholics, and then they simply appointed all Orthodox people of the 2nd grade.
          Quote: Kars
          It is still in service. PT-91 `` TWARDY '', as well as the plant for their production, that the entry into NATO did not degrade the plant, and did not transfer it to the production of gay paraphernalia.

          Who just now does not announce the production of "own" tanks. Even Pakistan and Turkey were honored, although in these countries there is no sensible metallurgical and design base. Most likely this is the assembly into the case of finished units and assemblies, mainly of western obsolete models. Therefore, such production can only be called our own at a stretch. The cost, reliability and quality of such machines should be considered especially, and even more so, serial production.
          1. Kars
            Kars 8 May 2013 13: 17
            0
            Quote: DmitriRazumov
            Are you trying to prove that for Ukraine, the path to NATO and the EU is preferable to an alliance with Russia?

            I just drew attention to the incomprehensible fact of not switching the Polish tank factory to gay atrebutik.
            And I am just happy with the NON-BLOCK status of Ukraine.
            Quote: DmitriRazumov
            and then just put all the Orthodox people of the 2nd grade.
            has never been legitimate, and in general, what kind of union is it here? Did NATO require Polish tanks to be made Protestants?

            Quote: DmitriRazumov
            Who just now does not announce the production of "own" tanks
            Each develops its heavy industry in moderation.

            Quote: DmitriRazumov
            Most likely this is the assembly into the body of finished units and assemblies of mostly western obsolete models

            Well, it’s just not necessary, just out of date, until the appearance of Almaty in the SERIES, everything is still the most modern. And there is nothing shameful about using imported technologies.
            Quote: DmitriRazumov
            Therefore, such a production of its own can only be called a stretch. The cost, reliability and quality of such machines should be considered especially, and batch production even more so.

            What side is the modernization of Armenian tanks? And the Poles made their T-72 clones with a full cycle or almost full.
            1. DmitriRazumov
              DmitriRazumov 8 May 2013 14: 01
              0
              Quote: Kars
              I just drew attention to the incomprehensible fact that the Polish tank factory did not switch to gay atrebutics

              I ask you to explain in more detail what topic and whether structural elements of modern combat vehicles relates to this part.
              Quote: Kars
              has never been legitimate, and in general, what kind of union is it here? Did NATO require Polish tanks to be made Protestants?

              Representatives of different religions and faiths are present in NATO, and what was previously a religion is now moving into the category of ideology. You cannot be in a bloc or in a union and do not profess the ideology of this union. And with NATO it is clearly anti-Russian, first of all, as always!

              Quote: Kars
              Well, it’s just not necessary, just out of date, until the appearance of Almaty in the SERIES, everything is still the most modern. And there is nothing shameful about using imported technologies.

              There is no question about Armata and it is difficult to evaluate it yet, but it is unlikely to be from other people's units.


              Quote: Kars
              What side is the modernization of Armenian tanks? And the Poles made their T-72 clones with a full cycle or almost full.

              You then praised tanks of your own Polish production, I pointed out to you that it cannot be a full cycle production. It all matters.
              1. Kars
                Kars 8 May 2013 14: 43
                0
                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                I ask you to explain in more detail what topic and whether structural elements of modern combat vehicles relates to this part.

                how is Geyropa same))) geyronato and so on.
                Join NATO your defense industry on geyropeytsy cut))
                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                You cannot be in a bloc or in a union and do not profess the ideology of this union. And with NATO, it is clearly anti-Russian, first of all, as always

                Are you ill with your eyesight?
                Quote: Kars
                And I am just happy with the NON-BLOCK status of Ukraine.

                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                There is no question about Armata and it is difficult to evaluate it yet, but it is unlikely to be from other people's units.
                Sorry, are you REALLY stupid? Or are you trying to overwhelm me?

                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                aggregates and units of mostly western obsolete models.

                Quote: Kars
                Well, it’s just not necessary, right out of date, until the appearance of Almaty in the SERIES is still the most modern

                Read again, maybe you can understand.
                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                You then praised tanks of your own Polish production, I pointed out to you that it cannot be a full cycle production. It all matters.

                Did I tout?
                Quote: Kars
                Still in service. PT-91 `` TWARDY '' as well as a plant for their production.

                Where is the praise here?
                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                I pointed out to you that it cannot be a full cycle production

                prove if the memory does not fail on the T-90 there are also imported components
                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                It all matters.

                what does EVERYTHING decide? They cannot make tanks for themselves? they cannot accept orders for modernization of tanks?
                Campaign you blurted out something, would lie to blurt out and it was

                Quote: DmitriRazumov
                Are you trying to prove that for Ukraine, the path to NATO and the EU is preferable to an alliance with Russia


                in the photo I will show you another non-Polish T-72
                1. DmitriRazumov
                  DmitriRazumov 8 May 2013 16: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: DmitriRazumov
                  I ask you to explain in more detail what topic and whether structural elements of modern combat vehicles relates to this part.

                  Quote: Kars
                  how is Geyropa same))) geyronato and so on.
                  Join NATO your defense industry on geyropeytsy cut))

                  Do you think this is a valid explanation or answer to a question?

                  Quote: Kars
                  Are you ill with your eyesight?

                  Not the best way - in a dispute, in the absence of arguments, proceed to direct insults.

                  Quote: Kars
                  what does EVERYTHING decide? They cannot make tanks for themselves? they cannot accept orders for modernization of tanks?
                  Campaign you blurted out something, would lie to blurt out and it was

                  They can do that and then of such quality as their western partners will allow them. Including sales of such equipment are highly dependent on the interests of those who are behind the production of the main units for these machines. This is an axiom, dear ...
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 8 May 2013 17: 47
                    0
                    Quote: DmitriRazumov
                    What do you think is a valid explanation or answer to a question?

                    Naturally, but for this, the van must begin to read from the beginning.
                    Quote: Kars
                    the plant did not go into NATO, and did not translate them into the production of gay attributes.

                    Here in general we can talk about tank spare parts))))
                    Quote: DmitriRazumov
                    Not the best way - in a dispute, in the absence of arguments, proceed to direct insults.
                    What arguments can there be for mumbled mumbled not by an eye, a user who does not bother reading.

                    Quote: DmitriRazumov
                    They can do that and then of such quality as their western partners will allow them. Including sales of such equipment are highly dependent on the interests of those who are behind the production of the main units for these machines. This is an axiom, dear ...

                    Axiom, this is what you really dumb, and sculpt nonsense - sorry for being straightforward. Started for health, and ended up not even for peace, but complete nonsense not related to the topic.
                    Quote: Kars
                    Quote: avt
                    Yeah, buy used Leopards, thus eliminating the remnants of the Soviet "totalitarian" era
                    It is still in service. PT-91 `` TWARDY '', as well as the plant for their production, that the entry into NATO did not degrade the plant, and did not transfer it to the production of gay paraphernalia.

                    What are the claims in fact?
                    Are there tanks or not?
                    Does the factory work or not?
                    Can make modernization of tanks of third countries?
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2013 11: 15
      +4
      Reverance towards NATO. "Guys, we are still forced to be with Russia, but you just have to offer good conditions ..."
      1. mansur
        mansur 7 May 2013 12: 36
        +9
        Quote: Spade
        Reverance towards NATO. "Guys, we are still forced to be with Russia, but you just have to offer good conditions ..."


        The 102nd Russian military base is one of the most important objects of Russia's geopolitical presence in the Caucasus, one of the main components of Russian-Armenian relations.
        The base is located in the city of Gyumri (Armenia), 126 kilometers north of the capital of the republic - the city of Yerevan.
        Next to military base 102 is the 8th town quarter. Families of military personnel live in the quarter - about 2 Russians and 500 Armenians.

        The agreement on the functioning of the base was concluded for a period of 25 years, and was extended for another 49 years (until 2044) during the visit of Russian President Dmitry A. Medvedev to Armenia in 2010.

        Aha temporarily until 2044
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 May 2013 16: 14
          0
          Dear, if we paid for our military base, which protects Armenia, it would be ba-a-alsha bust.

          The Russian base is absolutely not needed for Russia. Now, if an analogue of the 7th WB in Gudauta (motorized rifle brigade, the possibility of adopting aviation plus powerful air defense) appeared in the north-east of Azerbaijan, that would be in our interests. Instead, Azerbaijan is sailing towards Turkey with all its sails.

          Just look at the map. Consider through which corridors it is possible to transfer large groups of troops. Western - between the Black Sea and the Caucasian Ridge, the 7th WB is covered. Auxiliary central - Roki tunnel and Georgian Military - 4th WB. Vostochny - between the Caspian Sea and the Caucasian Range is not covered by anything. The only thing that is available to us is to "seal" it with the troops stationed in Dagestan.

          And what is the role of 102 WB in Gyumri?

          Geography is a terrible force, and it is worth paying attention to it at least sometimes.
          1. mansur
            mansur 7 May 2013 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Geography is a terrible force, and it is worth paying attention to it at least sometimes.

            And you, dear, and note how long the Russian Army took and then began to control all of Georgia to the port of Poti, going through the very Rocky Pass, and we will not forget the very powerful group in Abkhazia
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 17: 50
              +4
              Quote: mansur
              And you, dear, and note how long the Russian Army took and then began to control all of Georgia to the port of Poti, going through the very Rocky Pass, and we will not forget the very powerful group in Abkhazia

              ))) if we didn’t have idiots, it would be unlikely that they would have taken the Kodori Gorge, we would have mined a week for this! and Svaneti in general!
              so that geography is very important)) +
              1. hayabusa777
                hayabusa777 7 May 2013 18: 17
                -2
                At that time, as I know, the RUSSIANS had fatal damage - especially SHOULD CUT THE TU-22 AND SEVERAL FIGHTERS AND TURNBOARDS WERE BEATED FROM ISRAELI ROCKET.
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 19: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: hayabusa777
                  At that time, as I know, the RUSSIANS had fatal damage - especially SHOULD CUT THE TU-22 AND SEVERAL FIGHTERS AND TURNBOARDS WERE BEATED FROM ISRAELI ROCKET.

                  billion is a lot! 7-8 planes shot down and 2 of them shot down their own
              2. avt
                avt 7 May 2013 18: 28
                +3
                Quote: GEOKING95
                if we didn’t have idiots, it would be unlikely that they would have taken the Kodori Gorge, we would have mined a week for this!

                The campaign in Kodori was peacefully agreed to disperse. If there really clashed, then with air superiority there would have crumbled a lot of people, including civilians. Obviously, no one would have stormed on foot and there would have been a “Magistral” second edition. And it's good that so, under those circumstances, the option is not the worst.
                1. Geokingxnumx
                  Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 19: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: avt
                  The campaign in Kodori was peacefully agreed to disperse. If there really clashed, then with air superiority there would have crumbled a lot of people, including civilians. Obviously, no one would have stormed on foot and there would have been a “Magistral” second edition. And it's good that so, under those circumstances, the option is not the worst.

                  there was no military action in Kodor!
                  Yes, actually there was an order in August 10 not to shoot)
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 May 2013 23: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: GEOKING95
                    there was no military action in Kodor!
                    Yes, in general, there was an order in August 10 to not shoot

                    I remember those events and I will probably repeat myself, but one question haunts me!
                    After on one resource (CP in my opinion) I read the comments of one Georgian officer regarding the database, where he described in detail all the actions of the Georgian army and adding on what I know myself, I came to the conclusion that the Georgian command did everything to lose this war and how possible faster!
                    But why???
                    I can not find an answer to this!
                    1. Geokingxnumx
                      Geokingxnumx 8 May 2013 01: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I myself came to the conclusion that the Georgian command did everything to lose this war and as quickly as possible!

                      the army was commanded by politicians! Mer Tbilisi and Saakashvili!
                      yes there are such options)
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      But why???

                      maybe because either agents
                      It may be that Sahak is a double agent laughing
                    2. Don
                      Don 8 May 2013 13: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I remember those events and I will probably repeat myself, but one question haunts me!
                      After on one resource (KP in my opinion) I read the comments of one Georgian officer

                      Oh come on you. To judge the actions of the army on the conclusions of one officer. Georgia had no chance. And Saakashvili’s rating, he didn’t raise himself that way. But if he won, then another thing. I think he just thought that the Russian Federation would not dare.
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    5. hayabusa777
      hayabusa777 7 May 2013 11: 22
      -5
      May Armenia help KIM KARDASHYAN AMIN
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 May 2013 11: 43
        0
        Quote: hayabusa777
        May Armenia help KIM KARDASHYAN AMIN

        So she helps, so on the eve of the genocide she asked her fans to make the word Armenian genocide enter the top 10 Twitter phrases)) Pride of the people, I'm glad for them))
        1. armandos
          armandos 7 May 2013 13: 33
          +5
          Well, and your pride, is it probably "Rafik Safarov" who hacked down a sleeping enemy with an ax and became a national hero? This is true, there is something to be proud of!
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE 7 May 2013 13: 36
            +1
            Quote: armandos
            Well, and your pride, is it probably "Rafik Safarov" who hacked down a sleeping enemy with an ax and became a national hero? This is true, there is something to be proud of!

            I am proud of Tofig Erivanskyan, I buy jeans from him, always the quality is good, sewn perfectly, although Turkish, but the main thing is that it is sold, with love, and you are all Rafik da Rafik .. ehh
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 26
            -8
            The main thing is to kill the enemy.
            1. armandos
              armandos 7 May 2013 14: 47
              +6
              As I understand it, sleeping and an ax.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 53
                -8
                Quote: armandos
                As I understand it, sleeping and an ax.

                And he opened the door to the sleeping ones))))) ????
                You are sick))))))))))
                1. armandos
                  armandos 7 May 2013 15: 35
                  +6
                  Read the case carefully, everything is written there. The door was not locked.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 04
                    -6
                    Quote: armandos
                    Read the case carefully, everything is written there. The door was not locked.

                    Well yes?)))))))))))))))
                    a story about an open door written by Armenian authors?))))
                    In which so knocked that half of the institution woke up))) ??
                    1. armandos
                      armandos 7 May 2013 18: 11
                      +6
                      Everything is in the case, and according to the testimony of the "killer with an ax", who changed them ten times throughout the entire process. Cowardly and sneaky, as well as ... well, I will not continue. They made a hero a man who hacked to death a sleeping man at night, so that his head fell off, even if he said unworthy words about the flag, and okay. What am I surprised at all? And I stop communicating with demagogues.
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 47
            -4
            Quote: armandos
            Well, and your pride, is it probably "Rafik Safarov" who hacked down a sleeping enemy with an ax and became a national hero? This is true, there is something to be proud of!

            Yes, this is our pride !!!
            Your pride is a killer of women and children !!
            Melkonyan blew up the airport in Orly, Varujan Karapetyan, also a terrorist, also blew up a bomb at Orly airport where innocent people were killed !!
            And Safarov killed the enemy and did the right thing !!
            I would cut Gurgen to pieces !!
            Here are the details

            ** Gurgen Margaryan mockingly explained to the Lithuanian the meaning of the colors of our banner: "This red color is the blood that we let them ... But green is the color of grass, they are sheep and they love grass very much." I was outraged, but with difficulty restrained myself and left. ***


            http://vesti.az/news/149386
            1. armandos
              armandos 7 May 2013 15: 40
              +4
              Source vesti.az)) Yes, you’re probably joking, they’ll probably write there that the Armenians turn into vampires after midnight, and you all are hawking ... That's the whole story about your objectivity!
          4. gabatikuk
            gabatikuk 7 May 2013 20: 27
            0
            Thank you brother drinks
    6. mansur
      mansur 7 May 2013 12: 42
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      But here is an adequate response to the Azerbaijani actions ... The only thing that is not clear. All types of weapons will be modernized along with specialists from the Russian Federation, with the exception of tanks. What did the Poles manage to do something new with T72?

      In mid-January, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered preparations for the signing of an agreement on the development of military-technical cooperation with Armenia. In late January, memorandums were signed on the establishment of the CSTO Academy in Armenia, as well as on cooperation between the National Security Council of Armenia and the CSTO apparatus.
      On March 20, Medvedev ordered to sign an agreement between Russia and Armenia on the development of military-technical cooperation

      It is assumed that the agreement will be concluded for five years and determine the order of supply of military products. They (deliveries) must be made under the contract without issuing licenses for the import of goods. As specified in the document, product prices are set in accordance with the legislation of the supplier country. In addition, Armenia and Russia will be obliged by agreement to ensure protection of the rights to the results of each other's intellectual activity.
    7. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 7 May 2013 13: 03
      +5
      When will they take care of the lives of crews and soldiers? Sometimes you look, Armenia, which is modernizing its equipment, is of the highest class and takes into account all the nuances of warfare, up to increasing the comfort and security of the crew. I’m not saying that everything would be immediately upgraded to such a level, but the same 58 army could be modernized in such a way and take into account the conflict in Syria and others, and not as it was in the 1 Chechen. About 08.08.08, although they won, sometimes it’s a shame to look at the most combat-ready army with outdated equipment and understaffed.
      And so far, officials have taken care of their pockets.
      1. bask
        bask 7 May 2013 13: 04
        +1
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        When will they take care of the lives of crews and soldiers?

        While we have power in the tolerasty, once !!!
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 7 May 2013 15: 48
        +6
        air conditioners on modern tanks - not just the comfort of the crew.
        One of the most important is the performance requirements of new thermal imaging sights. Actually because of this, the modernization of sighting systems as a rule includes the installation of air conditioners and refrigerators.
    8. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 7 May 2013 14: 07
      +7
      "improved reactive armor, lattice screens covering the rear of the hull and turret of the tank. An autonomous turret, with remote control, equipped with a 12,7 mm machine gun"

      Learned the fighting in Syria. This was just what was lacking in the conditions of urban battles.
    9. PSih2097
      PSih2097 7 May 2013 14: 14
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      What did the Poles manage to do something new with the T72?

      http://www.army-guide.com/rus/article/article_2012.html
      http://topwar.ru/6638-novaya-polskaya-modernizaciya-t-72.html
    10. Stoic
      Stoic 7 May 2013 16: 41
      +3
      that jointly with Poland the company began overhaul and modernization of T-72 tanks

      jointly with the Russian Federation the enterprise

      I wonder what kind of enterprises in question? They should obviously be located in the territory of the Republic of Armenia, as to transport such a quantity of equipment (tanks and infantry fighting vehicles) to Poland and to the Russian Federation is extremely expensive, given the complexity of transport links. And if so, then the military-industrial complex of Armenia continues to develop no matter what.
      1. Stoic
        Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 03
        0
        Azerbaijan walks widely))))
        By the way, an Azerbaijani is reading. My favorite ".. did not find an Armenian, hacked his own, what's the difference? The hero is walking")))
        1. mansur
          mansur 7 May 2013 17: 28
          +3
          Quote: Stoic
          Azerbaijan walks widely))))
          By the way, an Azerbaijani is reading. My favorite ".. did not find an Armenian, hacked his own, what's the difference? The hero is walking")))

          The woman who killed her husband received 13 years
          “Zeynal caught me with his brother, after that I killed him with an ax”

          In Baku, a husband armed with an ax sent his wife's lover to "rest"
          February 18th, 2013 |
          Georgian citizen hacked with ax in Baku
          February 11th, 2013 | Add a Comment

          A Georgian citizen was hacked with an ax in Baku.
          In Ganja, a man was wounded with an ax
          December 30th, 2012 | Add a Comment

          In Azerbaijan, a teacher seriously injured their father with an ax in front of the children’s eyes
          December 26th, 2012 | Add a Comment

          In the village of Diryan of the Lankaran region, a neighbor hit with a neighbor’s ax during a dispute over a fence.
          In Azerbaijan, one policeman stabbed with another
          December 24th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          Baku resident seriously wounded his parents with an ax and wanted to burn them
          December 21st, 2012 |
          In Azerbaijan, a teacher slaughtered a colleague with an ax
          December 19th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          In Azerbaijan, an internally displaced person was killed with an ax for debts
          November 14th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          Qafqazinfo employee and her mother killed in Azerbaijan
          November 12th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          In Baku, a man killed his wife and daughter, after which he committed suicide. TO
          In Azerbaijan, a man died who took up an ax in the former house of an Armenian
          October 2nd, 2012 | Add a Comment
          In Baku, a policeman scored a 50-year-old man with an ax
          September 24th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          Azerbaijani woman hacked with a hatchet the man whose guest
          September 4th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          In Azerbaijan, a husband killed a wife
          August 20th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          Azerbaijan arrests woman who brutally murdered husband
          August 6th, 2012 | Add a Comment
          A resident of Shamkir hacked a fellow countryman with an ax and threw it into a cesspool
          July 23rd, 2012 | Add a Comment
          Husband hacked his wife and jumped from the 7th floor

          From the website http://criminalazerbaijan.com/?cat=23
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 7 May 2013 18: 05
            -4
            The Azerbaijani authorities should immediately stop the campaign of eviction of people and demolition of houses in Baku, the statement of the international human rights organization Human Rights Watch, published on the organization’s website, said. According to the statement, the government must guarantee fair compensation to owners and residents of houses, including those already evicted.

            The winter garden will open on May 6 in the center of Baku, from where hundreds of residents were evicted to open the territory for the park, shops and parking lots. Authorities planned a week of celebrations and events, including a speech by President Ilham Aliyev on May 10, the birthday of late President Heydar Aliyev.

            “The opening of the Winter Garden, unfortunately, is far from a holiday for those who were evicted from their homes. The authorities should not have embarked on this program of illegal evictions, because of which hundreds of families were left homeless, and many of them were in extremely difficult conditions, ”said Jane Buchanan, HRW Director for Europe and Central Asia.

            The organization Human Rights Watch has already touched on the topic of evictions and demolitions of houses in April 2011 and in a February 2012 report, “They took everything from me.”

            According to HRW, the process began in 2009: hundreds, if not thousands, of families lost their homes. The organization found people who were evicted without warning in the middle of the night. Houses were demolished, sometimes not allowing people to pick up their things. The Government did not provide proportionate compensation for property.

            “On March 28, the Baku authorities evicted a family of five from their home in the Winter Garden. The owner of the house, Shakhla, told HRW that city hall officials verbally informed her in November that the house was due to be demolished by May, before the Winter Garden opened. She has not received written notice and does not know of any court order for eviction, ”the publication said.

            It is noted that the Shakhla family, including her 93-year-old mother, suffering from Parkinson's disease, remained in their apartment when the workers began to dismantle the house on March 24th. Soon, electricity, gas and water were turned off, and workers on bulldozers began to demolish the house. “Owners of houses on the territory of the Winter Garden have completely fallen victim to the whims of the authorities, left without the opportunity to buy or rent housing,” said Buchanan.

            During a meeting with representatives of Human Rights Watch, representatives of the Azerbaijani government denied the illegality of evictions in Baku. The letter addressed to Ilham Aliyev in June 2011 regarding the demolition of houses remained unanswered.

            HRW notes that in the Azerbaijani legislation there are no grounds for alienation and evictions in Baku. The law requires the government to buy property from owners at market prices and pay an additional 20% of market value as compensation for inconvenience.

            In addition, the organization notes that eviction and demolition in central Baku violates Azerbaijan’s obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.

            "The ongoing alienation and demolition of houses in the center of Baku violate both Azerbaijani legislation and obligations under international law," Human Rights Watch said.
    11. APASUS
      APASUS 8 May 2013 08: 45
      0
      Quote: svp67
      . What did the Poles manage to do something new with the T72?

      But they didn’t ask another question:
      What oil was found in Armenia? ..or at whose expense is this ball ??
  2. kostella85
    kostella85 7 May 2013 10: 47
    +4
    Hike Armenia with Azerbaijan again "on the eve of a great nix" !!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 10: 57
      10
      Quote: kostella85
      Hike Armenia with Azerbaijan again "on the eve of a great nix" !!!

      So what, everything will end again within the same borders, but now everything will be officially recognized by Karabakh. An example of Georgia on the face.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 May 2013 11: 08
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: kostella85
        Hike Armenia with Azerbaijan again "on the eve of a great nix" !!!

        So what, everything will end again within the same borders, but now everything will be officially recognized by Karabakh. An example of Georgia on the face.

        Everything will end as the Russian Federation and the United States want, although at the moment Russia is more envious of the desire, the West is so-so. In the meantime, Azerbaijan will not start a war, the war will be on if absolute guarantees of neutrality of the Russian Federation are received, and until then, what the hell to start a war with Armenia , which the Russians defend, the Azerbaijanis are not stupid and the hint of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. understood perfectly.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 11: 52
          +3
          Quote: Yeraz
          08.08.08. Understood perfectly.

          I hope your government understands this.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 22
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Yeraz
            08.08.08. Understood perfectly.

            I hope your government understands this.

            The government understood this for a long time, just some other inhabitants understood it.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 7 May 2013 11: 22
        +4
        Do we need this?

        Do not console yourself with illusions, Armenia is an ally of Russia only while it is afraid of Azerbaijan.

        Russia has a huge influence on both Azerbaijan and Armenia. But there is no political decision on Karabakh, although Russia could have pushed it long ago. Do you know why? Because "Armenia is an ally of Russia only as long as it is afraid of Azerbaijan"
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 May 2013 11: 40
          -1
          Quote: Spade
          Do we need this?

          Do not console yourself with illusions, Armenia is an ally of Russia only while it is afraid of Azerbaijan.

          Russia has a huge influence on both Azerbaijan and Armenia. But there is no political decision on Karabakh, although Russia could have pushed it long ago. Do you know why? Because "Armenia is an ally of Russia only as long as it is afraid of Azerbaijan"

          Golden words, finally someone understood the true essence of relations between Armenia and Russia.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 7 May 2013 11: 42
            +5
            You are not particularly happy, I am not much better in Azerbaijan.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 00
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              You are not particularly happy, I am not much better in Azerbaijan.

              Did I really write that your opinion is due to the love of Azerbaijan ?? I liked the real vision of the situation, I'm not from that category of people who think if someone said something about Armenia, he definitely loves Azerbaijan.
              Your correct statement of fact, my approving plus, is nothing more ..
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 7 May 2013 12: 10
                +1
                It’s me so that there are no illusions.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  It’s me so that there are no illusions.

                  drinks
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 7 May 2013 12: 39
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              You are not particularly happy, I am not much better in Azerbaijan.

              I agree ...
              As long as there is a Karabakh problem, these two entities are under control.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 54
                +2
                Quote: baltika-18
                Quote: Spade
                You are not particularly happy, I am not much better in Azerbaijan.

                I agree ...
                As long as there is a Karabakh problem, these two entities are under control.

                One is under control, and the second goes farther and farther ...
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 11: 53
          +9
          Quote: Spade

          Do not console yourself with illusions, Armenia is an ally of Russia only while it is afraid of Azerbaijan.

          Then name the time when Armenia was an enemy of Russia or acted in a coalition with someone against Russia. Armenia is the only country that throughout its existence has been with Russia and this is simply a historical fact !!!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 7 May 2013 12: 04
            +1
            For you, the behavior of Armenia during the collapse of the USSR is not an indicator?
            Remember the referendum on the preservation of the USSR? It was not held in Armenia. Instead, they held a referendum on leaving the USSR. 99% of those who had the right to vote voted, 95% of those who came to the polling stations voted for liberation from the "Russian occupation".
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 31
              +7
              Quote: Spade
              99% of those who had the right to vote voted, 95% of those who came to the polling stations voted for liberation from the "Russian occupation".

              So where did you get this crap from, especially interest? Your post is designed only for students.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 23
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                from where did you get this crap from, especially interest? Your post is designed only for students

                Lopatov is right !!
                The only republic in Transcaucasia that supported the Union in a referendum was Azerbaijan !!
                1. Stoic
                  Stoic 7 May 2013 15: 38
                  +3
                  And the funny thing is, Azerbaijan did it after the events of January 1990, which are now called "genocide of the Azerbaijani people by vile Soviet fighters")))
                  And what was asked to vote for the Union that genocidal you?
                  1. mansur
                    mansur 7 May 2013 15: 49
                    +7
                    Quote: Stoic
                    And the funny thing is, Azerbaijan did it after the events of January 1990, which are now called "genocide of the Azerbaijani people by vile Soviet fighters")))
                    And what was asked to vote for the Union that genocidal you?


                    Soviet general told how Azerbaijanis killed Soviet soldiers and family members in 1990 from the book of Lieutenant General Viktor Nikolayevich Buslovsky "About time, about service, about fate" published on the website of the Foundation for the Promotion of Scientific Research
                    Security Issues Science XXI. The author, who since 1989 was in
                    Azerbaijan, notes that the Popular Front created military units to overthrow
                    authorities. “As a rule, they were led by former military personnel,
                    especially the "Afghans." So, 51 hundred were created in Baku. Based on: one
                    one hundred per quarter, a group of streets. Military personnel and other "siloviki"
                    were persecuted because they stood up for the law. Full swing
                    there was a seizure of weapons and equipment.
                    Lieutenant-General Buslovsky notes that near Ganja, a convoy of artillery regiment 104 of an airborne division of 4 vehicles with ammunition was stopped by Azerbaijani bandits, while an officer and a driver were shot. In time, the Azerbaijani militants were killed or dispersed, and the ammunition was rescued. “Under the calls of extremists began
                    mass shoots of Azerbaijani soldiers from military units throughout the Soviet Union. In four armies, every third soldier was Azerbaijani and this significantly affected the combat readiness of the units, ”the author writes, noting that border structures on a section of 4 km were destroyed by Azerbaijani bandits on the border with Iran. “A particularly difficult situation has developed in the capital of the republic. The top of the Popular Front actively called for the destruction of Armenians. January 170-13, 15 in
                    Baku began mass pogroms of apartments, killings of Armenians and members of mixed Azerbaijani-Armenian families. As of January 17, 1990, more than 3 thousand Armenians were evacuated from the republic, more than one
                    thousands of Armenian apartments were arbitrarily seized, ”recalls
                    Lieutenant General Buslovsky.
                    1. Stoic
                      Stoic 7 May 2013 16: 10
                      +1
                      Mansour. Tell Alibek this.
                      And then listen to him, so the poor zakavturki are poor, Russians and Armenians have been cutting and cutting them since the beginning of the century, but they can’t cut them in any way))))))
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 38
                        -7
                        Quote: Stoic
                        Mansour. Tell Alibek this.
                        And then listen to him, so the poor zakavturki are poor, Russians and Armenians have been cutting and cutting them since the beginning of the century, but they can’t cut them in any way))))))

                        and they have no spirit what to tell me)) cowardly hide behind blacklists)))))))))))
                        And the old Armenian receptions, immediately created a new nickname with fresh epaulettes))))))))))
                      2. Stoic
                        Stoic 7 May 2013 16: 50
                        +4
                        Buddy Tell me better, Ibad Huseynov is already dead? Or are the Turks still treating him?
                        He was already waiting in hell
                        Of the Hero
                      3. P-15
                        P-15 7 May 2013 17: 17
                        -2
                        Already cured, he plays Monte Melkonyan with his head.
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                      5. Stoic
                        Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 23
                        +4
                        And the head and hands and body of Monte are buried where the remains of the Hero should be buried - in the Pantheon. And with honor.
                        I feel sorry for your tribe. Monte died in battle, from a fragment of a shell from a BMP-2 gun, which was controlled by a 19-year-old gunner. And no one remembers him, who was not cowardly, who fought and died, in his native Azerbaijan. But the savage who cut off the head of some peasant is magnified.
                        What are the heroes - such are the victories
                      6. P-15
                        P-15 7 May 2013 17: 28
                        -2
                        laughing laughing You tell these tales to a drunk homeless man at a bus stop. Ara in the Pantheon, uh, tell me in the Mausoleum next to Lenin. And minus, minus, like children cheslovo. Yes to me on your minuses.
                      7. Arminian power
                        Arminian power 26 May 2013 03: 08
                        0
                        ay mameddddddd idi ovcov passi
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                    3. Stoic
                      Stoic 8 May 2013 11: 36
                      0
                      I remember how Heydar Mirza wrote to you on this website that he did not believe in nonsense about this Ibad dog, and you answered him ingratiatingly: "Heydar, if you look there and compare the dates ..."
                      And now you say that this was happening before your eyes. Well, I would say to Heydar - and so they say, I was there and saw everything myself.
                      You're just lying like a scumbag ...
                    4. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 8 May 2013 12: 29
                      -2
                      Quote: Stoic
                      And now you say that this was happening before your eyes.

                      I was there and everyone knows about it))))))))))
                      With me, Jackal Melkonyan on his knees asked for mercy from Ibad)))
                      When Ikad cut off the head of Melkonyan!)))))
                      Quote: Stoic
                      You are just lying like a bastard ..

                      hulking your relatives and friends))))))))))
                      Since you are behaving badly, I won’t tell you where the head of the jackal is Melkonyan!
                      And to the respected Heydar, I explained that you don’t need to listen to anyone, but at least compare the numbers and places of events))))
                    5. Arminian power
                      Arminian power 26 May 2013 03: 23
                      0
                      eyy mamed a ti ne idyosh v Siriyu umirat za alaxa mojet pro tebya rolik snimut ipokajut v syria tube wassat
                2. Arminian power
                  Arminian power 26 May 2013 03: 17
                  0
                  So, on October 22, 2012, Lieutenant General Talib Mammadov, who headed the Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan for many years, and during the years of the Karabakh war, commanded the 708th brigade of the Azerbaijani army, accused Ibad Huseynov of lying. The general noted that Melkonyan was killed in a battle with units of the 708th brigade in the village of Marzilu. Already on October 24, 2012, Azerbaijani veterans of the Karabakh war - the former commander of the 708th brigade of the Azerbaijani armed forces Khatai Bahyshov, the former deputy commander of the 708th brigade Umudvar Mirzoev and the commander of a separate battalion Ilham Binnatov, confirmed the words of General Mammadov. They also exposed Ibad Huseynov and his supporters in a lie.
  • Arminian power
    Arminian power 26 May 2013 03: 02
    0
    da vidno chto ti i bez milo laughing prolezish
  • UPStoyan
    UPStoyan 7 May 2013 12: 58
    +3
    And a year after independence, the entire population rushed to permanent residence in Russia. Because they dreamed about how they eat white bread and they have electricity (this is not an allegory, but the real dreams of my friend, who was then 10 years old)
  • the gray wolf
    the gray wolf 7 May 2013 12: 33
    -1
    and where to go, the only state created with the help of Russia. resettled gypsies from Iran to where they came from India.
    Armenia in full steam cooperates with NATO, C300 Americans thoroughly studied in Armenia, how much is Armenia not in the customs union? why didn’t Armenia recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Russia is a cash cow for Armenia, at least occasionally read their forums or at least Innosmi.
    1. DmitriRazumov
      DmitriRazumov 7 May 2013 13: 23
      +7
      Quote: Boz Qurd
      resettled gypsies from Iran where they came from India

      Where does this information come from? The Armenian nation is one of the most ancient and has many more centuries than the Azerbaijani. Read the Bible at least.
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE 7 May 2013 13: 32
        +6
        Quote: DmitriRazumov
        Quote: Boz Qurd
        resettled gypsies from Iran where they came from India

        Where does this information come from? The Armenian nation is one of the most ancient and has many more centuries than the Azerbaijani. Read the Bible at least.

        I heard on Armenian TV they talked about the colonies of Armenian immigrants on one of the Satellites of Mars, and Neil Amstrong personally wrote in his diaries that on his approach to the Moon he saw a sign in Armenian "Welcome to free Luntz" infa hundred percent. So gentlemen Azerbaijanis, read the Bible and learn history, who is who, like that.
        1. ZhuDkiyDrugg
          ZhuDkiyDrugg 7 May 2013 14: 02
          +3
          Plusanul for chu / humor hi
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 33
        -2
        dmitry
        yeah, they are ancient, there is no ancient, ancient Egyptians, Romans, and generally all. they created a civilization, the sun and the moon lol
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 7 May 2013 15: 58
          +4
          Well ... Urartians can be regarded with greater certainty as the ancestors of Armenians, and not of Turkic peoples, early medieval Albanians, etc. of which the Azerbaijani people formed.
      3. the gray wolf
        the gray wolf 7 May 2013 14: 43
        -1
        certainly not from your Ahriman radiowassat
    2. ultra
      ultra 7 May 2013 14: 26
      +6
      Quote: Boz Qurd
      and where to go, the only state created with the help of Russia. resettled gypsies from Iran to where they came from India.

      How deep is your knowledge in history !!! O "wisest" !!! lol lol lol
      1. the gray wolf
        the gray wolf 7 May 2013 14: 44
        -2
        and yours see ZERO laughing
    3. Gari
      Gari 7 May 2013 14: 42
      +7
      Quote: Boz Qurd
      the only state created with the help of Russia. resettled gypsies from Iran to where they came from India.

      Listen to whom you called a gypsy
      As the state religion, Christianity was first adopted in Greater Armenia in 301. Under Emperor Constantine I, starting with the edict of 313 on freedom of religion (see the Edict of Milan), Christianity began to acquire the status of a state religion in the Roman Empire.

      First and as a state, as we had a state where you were
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 47
        -4
        Noticed? "GREAT" Armenia ... yeah, megalomania is already in the genes. If one is ill, then a schizophrenic, if a lot and at once, dichlorvos is needed
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 7 May 2013 16: 06
          +6
          no, the state of Armenians was called simply Great Armenia in history, most of which was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, now these territories are part of Turkey.
          Actually in these territories that genocide did not exist. wink about which you write indignantly all the time wink
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 7 May 2013 16: 21
            -2
            YES NO, my dear, they themselves call it that.
          2. ıbrahimxnumx
            ıbrahimxnumx 8 May 2013 11: 56
            +1
            “The language and geography of their (Armenians - approx.) Homeland is unfamiliar, the evidence is fragmentary, and their history can be understood only in the context of the stories of their neighbors.”


            Redgate Ann Elizabeth

            Historian, professor at the University of Newcastle. The author of The Armenians (2000), Myth and Reality: Armenian Identity in the Early Middle Ages (2007), etc. The Armenians book describes the whole process of the capture of the southeastern outpost of Europe by Armenians.
        2. ıbrahimxnumx
          ıbrahimxnumx 8 May 2013 11: 53
          +1
          If they talk about Great Armenia, this is a direct confirmation that they are far from ancient. Since in real life, there is nothing in common between Khayi and Armenians. Armenia, this is a Turkic name and there are a million facts on it including experts from the international community.

          And all the churches with which they are proud are the armenized ALBANIAN CHURCHES.

          Even a fool who google the look of the Albanian church and the look of modern high churches can be convinced of their IDENTITY !!!!

          This "long-suffering" people is only capable of stealing someone else's heritage.

          I will find photographs of an Armenian church where they purely by chance FORGET to remove the trace of the Albanian heritage. If someone remembers, Azerbaijan was called Ag and Gara Goyunlu, which means white and black sheep, and here in one of the so-called Chai churches, right in front of the church is a statue of a ram.

          This was written by many historians.
      2. P-15
        P-15 7 May 2013 15: 12
        +1
        That's all))) Morning began on the collective farm laughing
        And the water in your faucet takes the 2nd place in the world, and the first in Yerevan?. There is no Macaw in San Francisco. (MIMINO)
      3. ıbrahimxnumx
        ıbrahimxnumx 8 May 2013 11: 47
        +1
        325 YEAR, Roman Emperor Constantine, spent the so-called The first Nicene Council, and it was in this meeting, FOR THE FIRST TIME, that the doctrine of Christianity was formed, and after this began bloodshed and deception on behalf of God.

        So tell Gary the truth.

        Now let's talk about the BIBLE and the fact that NOA created the land inhabited by the Ararat Valley.

        Unlike you Armenians (in reality, you are not Armenians but haiks), each name of a city, region, food, and so on has its own translation and meaning. For example, Karabakh, translated into Azeri, means Black Garden. Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan, here is the grave of this biblical and Koranic prophet. (in Hebrew "Noy" - "Noah", in Azerbaijani and in Arabic - "Nuh") and left the corresponding written sources, in the Soviet period this topic was banned.

        Therefore, your Khai tribesmen do not just want this land. But let's pass to the main thing.

        What do you have in common with the name or the word Armen, Armenians and so on? These are Turkic words.
      4. ıbrahimxnumx
        ıbrahimxnumx 8 May 2013 11: 47
        +1
        The origins of the word “Arman” and a detailed study of the word “armin / amran / armen”

        As you know, the Armenian people have the self-name “high”. The word "Armand" meant a completely different culture and people. Having come to the land of Arman, proto-hai from other nations began to be called by the name of the locality where they now lived. In many publications, Armenian historians and philologists make attempts to connect the words “Armand” and “High”. However, these arguments are based on solid assumptions, and sometimes falsifications. Therefore, it should be noted that the toponym “arme / arman” has been used since 3 thousand BC In the records relating to the Akkadian king Narram-Suen and his grandfather Sargon you can find the following:

        SAG. GIS RA ARMANIM. U EB-LA.

        Ar-ma-n Am u EBLA.

        In addition, this toponym is found in Asia Minor, especially in Altai.

        Arman - two districts in Bashkiria;

        Arman - Turkmen tower near Ashgabat;

        Aruman - a city on the hill of Diala;

        Armangu - the area in the upper reaches of the Kyzyl-Uzen River;

        Hermanian mountains in Transbaikalia;

        Armuna - a village near Urmia;

        Armait is a fortress in Manada near the Ziviye area. (see Paul Garelli, “Explanations for toponymy in Ebli inscriptions” L., 1982). The construction of fortresses and cities dates back no later than the 11th century. BC.
        Academician I. Meshchaninov in the book “To the analysis of the name ERIMEN” (t-1, L., 1933) indicates that:
        “The term“ Ermeni / Arman ”exists in these lands long before the scientifically established invasion of Armenians. The very word Ermeni appeared in the form of Armini in the center of Mitania. ”
        The Scottish historian J.McCarty proved on the basis of linguistic and ethnological analysis that during this period TURIAN-speaking (!) Subar tribes / arme-subar / lived in this area. (“The Turkic World”, Glazgo-2000).
      5. ıbrahimxnumx
        ıbrahimxnumx 8 May 2013 11: 47
        +1
        Where did the hai come to Arman?

        Opinions about the origin of hai are as always divided into 2 groups. Supporters of one (naturally, propagandists of “Aryan origin” and “ethnic monolithic” hai) insist that they are autochthonous tribes of Anatolia and the Caucasus. Others prove the opposite. Consider the point of view of Armenian ideologists.

        Chai - the most ancient people on the planet, the descendants of Noah / NUH, the ancestor of the mythical Nut.

        The current hai are formerly Hurri-Urartians.

        Chai are Europeans (although they have more Semitic features - the author) by origin, but their homeland is not Europe (? !!), but Asia Minor (Homeland of Asians).

        In the beginning, I will remind once again that hai are not an ancient people, because up to 6-5vv. nowhere in the sources does the word “HAI” appear (despite the efforts of the Armenians to see in the Hittite inscriptions the name of the country that never existed was “Hayas”). Secondly, the name of that same Nut (the ancestor of all hai) is inscribed in the Gregorian Bible when translated from Greek. This can be confirmed by the fact that neither the Greek nor the Hebrew version has such, and nowhere is even a word about the haya found. The letter combination “RRT” cannot be “Ararat” (also not the Armenian name!), But is a Semitic spelling of the word “Urartu”. Thirdly, the Hurri-Urartians cannot be hai, because they are Elam-speaking, and the language of hai (both the new “ashkharabar” and the church “grabar”) does not belong to this group. Fourth, despite the fact that the Khai consider themselves Europeans, and Europeans' homeland is Europe, any talk about their “autochthonism” in Asia Minor is at least not serious.
        Upon arrival in the lands of Arman, Mitania and Urartu, they adopted the local culture, and their language was enriched with elements of the local languages ​​(for some reason, propagandists of “Aryan” origin are silent about this fact).

        So, although the grabar remained a church language, from the time of the Seljuk conquests, the previously formed ashkharabar became their language. Long before these conquests, the Hai language acquired the agglutinativity of the Turkic language and its many lexical elements. Whereas the grabar resembled European languages ​​in syntax and lexical composition, the assimilated ashkharabar has the word order as in Turkic:
        GRABAR ASHKHARABAR
        TXA TURKIN (TURK SON) TURKIN TXA (TURK SON)
  • armandos
    armandos 7 May 2013 13: 38
    +6
    I agree. Moreover, Russia several times not only betrayed, but simply had to make concessions to the detriment of Armenia (the Kars treaty for example) and even after that the Armenians were always allies and always fought on the side of Russia.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 37
      -4
      yeah, and in gratitude they drove out all Russians in the 90s, closed all Russian schools and blew up the Moscow metro
      1. armandos
        armandos 7 May 2013 15: 11
        +4
        They did not expel the Russians, they fled from hunger and devastation. My relatives moved to Russia in the 90s voluntarily, and no one even said a bad word about the Armenians. But Azerbaijanis in Russia will soon become hot soon! Why run away from your dad Aliyev, who has the whole country?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 17
          -3
          Quote: armandos
          Why run away from your

          Unlike you, our population is still growing and in Azerbaijan has exceeded 9 million!
          And you can’t endure hunger and devastation and still run)))
          1. armandos
            armandos 7 May 2013 15: 43
            +1
            Who are you, what devastation, where are we running? What are you talking about?
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 22
          +1
          PERSONALLY I haven’t left anywhere. I live calmly in Baku and am not going anywhere. I am proud to be a representative of my people. And our time has come back. otherwise they will become as rude as the natives
        3. cdrt
          cdrt 7 May 2013 16: 10
          +3
          I agree.
          Close Russian friends fled to 94 from Armenia to the Russian Federation.

          They fled not from oppression, but from the cold and hunger that arose due to the Georgian, Armenian and Turkish blockade.
    2. P-15
      P-15 7 May 2013 15: 19
      -3
      Did they have an option? Russia created Armenia, and don’t go Armenia to fight for Russia, Russia just as it did Armenia and eliminated it.
      Georgian writer and thinker I. Chavchavadze Your Excellency, do not allow the settlement of Armenians in the central Russian lands. They are from such a tribe that after living for several decades, they will start shouting to the whole world that this is the land of our fathers and great-grandfathers.
      1. armandos
        armandos 7 May 2013 15: 46
        +2
        ))) Again the scream is not about anything. With what fright did Russia create Armenia? Oh yes, Aliyev rewrote the story .. I completely forgot!
        1. P-15
          P-15 7 May 2013 15: 56
          -2
          P.Kerop Patkanov. Van inscriptions and their significance for the history of Western Asia. St. Petersburg. 1981, p. 36-37. From the book by Magdy Neumann "Armenia". St. Petersburg, 1899.

          "Armenia, as a state, did not play any significant role in the history of mankind, its name was a geographical term spread by the Armenians, it was a place for resolving disputes between strong states - Assyrians, Medes, Iranians, Greeks, Mongols, Russians ..."
          "Immediately after the conclusion of the Turkmenchay Treaty (February 10, 1828) under the leadership of Paskevich, 40 thousand Armenians from Iran and 90 thousand Armenians from Turkey were resettled to Azerbaijan. In total, in 1828-1896, more than 1 million were resettled from Iran and Turkey. Of these, 200 people were accommodated in the western lands of Azerbaijan, and the rest - in Karabakh and the Elizavetpol (Ganja) province. people".
        2. ıbrahimxnumx
          ıbrahimxnumx 8 May 2013 12: 11
          0
          As I do not like to communicate with those who are far from history and also with foam in the mouth proves the opposite.



          This is Erivan fortress. Modern Yerevan. After 70 years of siege, the surrender of the Erivan fortress. Look at the photo, you see some mosques. Looks like Christian Yerevan with its ancient history?
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 12
        -4
        Quote: P-15
        Russia created Armenia, and don’t go Armenia to fight for Russia, Russia just as it did Armenia and eliminated it.

        Most of the crimes in the region against the Azerbaijani people were carried out by Armenian terrorist and bandit groups under the slogan ... this time - the struggle for communist power. Taking advantage of the pretext of a truce, Armenian gangs from the terrorist organization "Dashnaktsutyun" twice this year staged a massacre of Turks and Azerbaijanis. The total number of killed Muslims is 69. Among the dead are women, old people and children. According to a note by one of the communist leaders K.G. Ordzhonikidze to fellow party members - Lenin, Stalin and Chicherin: "The withdrawal of the Dashnak troops led by Dro is explained solely by the threat of these parts of Nakhchivan and its region being occupied. The Armenian government deliberately falsely informs you. I fully agree with you that nationalist aspirations are being dragged through under the communist shell. ... I understand perfectly well that the possibility is not ruled out that in a certain political situation we may need Armenia. Decide as you find necessary. We will carry out everything that will be prescribed to us, but let me bring to your attention what is the attitude towards Azerbaijan strongly compromises us in the eyes of the broad masses of Azerbaijan. "
        1. armandos
          armandos 6 June 2013 22: 16
          +1
          ))) And mushrooms yarbay in their repertoire! I did not know that the words of the gangster and the goptopnik Ordzhonikedze are so authoritative for the Azerbaijani masses. But is it that this same Sergo opposed the Azerbaijani leadership and overthrew it? If I start throwing links to atrocities against Armenians, you’ll just drown! Before arguing or defending your point of view in front of well-read people, try to at least take the book in your hands as an exception. Damn, I forget all the time, your source is vesti.az!
    3. ıbrahimxnumx
      ıbrahimxnumx 8 May 2013 12: 06
      +1
      With all my heart I wish you to have such allies.

      In Google or Yandex, write the word SRASCHA or SROSCHAYA or SRSHA pig.
      Read exclusively Russian and Ukrainian sites and Belarusian.

      May God grant you such friends and allies.

      BUT

      a traitor is a traitor! They betrayed the Turks, where they chewed Turkic bread, drank Turkic water, betrayed those who sheltered them, and you are absolutely right, for your sake, since the promises were to create a high state on Turkic lands.

      Yes, you’re right, they, along with Russian soldiers, fought in the 2nd Chechen war and killed Chechen civilians, I repeat civilians.

      Yes, you’re right, the battalion of Baghramyan during the first Abkhaz war with fierce cruelty killed women and old Georgians.

      Yes, you’re right, in the war with the Persians, they also betrayed the Persians in the most greedy way, sided with Russia and of course Azerbaijan, where they lived and did not grieve, and the result yourself you know what.

      That I propagate with great fury among Chechens and Georgians and Turks.
      You are right, plus you.

      Only given the above screen, a traitor, he is a traitor, as he betrayed the one who fed him, he will betray you.

      Symptoms on screenshots !!

      Regards Omar
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 21
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Then name the time when Armenia was an enemy of Russia or acted in a coalition with someone against Russia. Armenia is the only country that throughout its existence has been with Russia and this is simply a historical fact !!!

    Sanya stupidity !!))
    Should I again give links to the murders of Colonel Blokhotin, interviews with Generals Safonov and other generals! ??
    Give a link as shot at point blank Russian paratroopers ??
    And where did they go when you did their work for them?)))))
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 7 May 2013 14: 42
    -3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Then name the time when Armenia was an enemy of Russia or acted in a coalition with someone against Russia. Armenia is the only country that throughout its existence has been with Russia and this is simply a historical fact !!!

    Sanya, hi! Sorry, but the Armenians were always worthless warriors and could never defend themselves. They, on their own, did not win a single battle, only with the help of Russian bayonets. That showed the wonders of politics in relations with Russia. And now they show their attitude towards Russians in our cities in practice. Not a good attitude.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 14: 50
      +5
      Quote: IRBIS
      They, on their own, did not win a single battle, only with the help of Russian bayonets.

      Hello Sasha! Yes, the point is not that. Around us, there are only such warriors, only Georgians are much worse and live thanks to Russia, but they have not betrayed us at the first opportunity. But I don’t want to get into politics, they are not the best sons of society. I speak, as it is today.
      Quote: IRBIS
      And now they show their attitude towards Russians in our cities in practice. Not good attitude

      And I saw this, and even personally faced one, well, what the hell should I do? our bases there, our interests, and the world is not calm now.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 56
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        but no betrayed at the earliest opportunity

        So you betrayed us Sasha at the first opportunity !!
        Your policies !!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 15: 00
          +6
          Quote: Yarbay
          So you betrayed us Sasha at the first opportunity !!

          The mistake of all peoples is that Alibek, what do you mean by saying ????? Me? The people of Russia? You mean politicians, but I did not betray anyone, and the others on the site, too. And it was not you who started the warrior in Karabakh and not the Armenians who are on the site. It's just that people have become hostages of bad politics, that's all hi
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 18
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The mistake of all peoples is that Alibek, what do you mean by saying ?????

            Sanya, I mean the same as you mean, saying that Georgians and others betrayed you !!!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 15: 20
              +4
              Quote: Yarbay
              Sanya, I mean the same as you mean, saying that Georgians and others betrayed you !!!

              Alibek, and on the site we fight laughing We all became hostages, EVERYTHING !!!
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 7 May 2013 15: 26
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                , and on the site we fight

                Hot site guys bully Both drinks
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 40
                +2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Hot Sites Guys Both

                We are constantly missing about you with that very glass)))))))
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 38
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Alibek, but we are fighting on the site. We have all become hostages, EVERYTHING !!!

              So I about this native)))))))))))
              Now, if Azerbaijan does something not in the interests of Russia, the whole site writes about betrayal, but no one thinks that we ourselves deserve it or do something to make this or that state friendly with us !!! ????
              Please do not take my words as personal to yourself !!
            3. cdrt
              cdrt 7 May 2013 16: 24
              +2
              Panas fight, at lackeys forelocks crack wink not just so people created a proverb
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 02
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I say, as it is for today.


      ** In the central square, 5-7 thousand people gathered. The paratroopers were thrown out of the cars. A little more ... But the police chief, Colonel Galstyan, intervened. At his direction, the paratroopers were sent to the headquarters of the Leninakan division, which by that time had been raised "by alarm." The division already knew that five paratroopers of Russian troops were killed. Lieutenant A. Shapovalov, sergeants O. Yudintsev, E. Poddubnyak, privates N. Maslennikov and M. Karpov were killed
      Without forensic and other examinations, it was difficult to count on establishing the truth. With great difficulty, we managed to convince the Armenian side to provide weapons to the dead. They agreed. But they issued only one AKC assault rifle No. 1205287 with a damaged gas chamber lid. In his chamber was a fired cartridge case. They shot, they say, the paratroopers from the machine gun. In confirmation of this, they drove the UAZ-469 car No. ADZ 10-38. There are 4 holes on it. Someone A. Chakhoyan stated that it was this machine that the Armenian military used on July 10, accompanied by the Urals with 5 paratroopers. **


      The surviving paratroopers were again brought to the ill-fated 121st Leninakan Division. There they learned that among their comrades were four killed and one wounded. However, after fifteen minutes, it turned out that all five were killed. Here, many of them decided that the word "chalet" (translated into Russian - "kill", "finish off"), uttered by General Abrahamyan after Leninakan, on the highway, refers to one of the five paratroopers. Apparently, someone else was alive.

      In the evening, July 10, they were invited to dinner for the first time since they were in the division. But they refused: "We will not sit down at the table at the traitors." The paratroopers also answered the next day to General A. Nikolaev, who had arrived in connection with what had happened from the district headquarters. At that time, commander Babkin was standing nearby. He stood and was silent ...

      A day later, the 21st separate airborne assault brigade of the Russian airborne forces said goodbye to the dead. Goodbye forever. A. Shapovalov was taken to Ukraine, to the Dnepropetrovsk region. O. Yudintseva, N. Maslennikova, E. Poddubnyak, M. Karpova - to Russia. In the ranks, with the banner of the unit lowered, there were paratroopers - healthy, strong men. They stood and could not hold back tears. They cried, clutching their arms, cursing the fate that brought them to the places where they were being killed from around the corner. "

      This is not the first and far from the only treachery of the Armenians against the Russian paratroopers. There are plenty of examples, and one of the most striking is the unequal battle of the senior lieutenant Igor Yulpatov’s parachute assault company with the Armenian militants in Nagorno-Karabakh. Over 6 hours, a company of paratroopers reflected the attacks of Armenian militants, who had a huge numerical superiority. But the murder of the Russian paratroopers who participated in the rescue of the victims of the December 1988 earthquake is the height of human meanness ...



      full text below !!


      http://vesti.az/news/139544/D09AD180D0BED0B2D0B0D0B2D0B0D18F_D0B1D0BBD0B0D0B3D0B



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      1. armandos
        armandos 7 June 2013 22: 59
        +1
        )))))) Hey, smart guy in uniform. Again vesti.az? Aren't you funny yourself?
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 09
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      and live thanks to Russia, but no betrayed at the earliest opportunity

      That's how you betrayed us !!!


      That's about Yeltsin’s words to Petrosyan that will bring us to our knees before the Armenians!
      http://vesti.az/news/130996/#ad-image-0

      Here is an interview with the former commandant of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region of Azerbaijan, the deputy commander of the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs deployed in the NKAR, and retired major general Henry Malyushkin.
      http://bbatiyev.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_9724.html

      Here is an interview of General Safonov, commandant of the NKAR
      http://vesti.az/news/46842
  • cdrt
    cdrt 7 May 2013 16: 19
    +5
    R P

    Adjutant General M. Loris-Melikov
    Lieutenant General Tergukasov (war hero 1877)

    the USSR
    Marshal of the Soviet Union Baghramyan
    Lt. Gen. Tank Troops Temruchi
    Air Marshal Khudyakov
    Chief Marshal of Armored Forces Babajanyan
    USSR Fleet Admiral Isakov

    Evidence that the Armenians are worthless fighters.
    Nevertheless, they know that the famous military generals and marshals that in the Republic of Ingushetia, that in the USSR did not become combat qualities wink
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 42
      -3
      Quote: cdrt
      Marshal of the Soviet Union Baghramyan

      Of course worthless)))))
      Which unit did Bagramyan command?)))
      At headquarters, thanks to Mikoyan, he got posts !!
      Prior to commanding the front, he neither commanded a company, nor a battalion, nor a regiment !!!

      Babhajanyan was also pushed by Baghramyan and Mikoyan too !!
      Here is the opinion of Zhukov about him
      here is Zhukov’s order!
      On April 17, 1945, Zhukov noted in the order:
      "1. The 69th Army under the command of Colonel General Kolpakchi, 1 TA under the command of Colonel General Katukov and 2 TA under the command of Colonel General Bogdanov conduct the offensive Berlin operation worst of all. These armies, having tremendous forces and means, act the second [day] ineptly and indecisively, trampling before a weak enemy. Commander Katukov and his corps commanders Yushchuk, Dremov, Babadzhanyan do not watch the battlefield and the action of their troops, sitting far in the rear (10-12 km). These generals do not know the situation and are lagging behind events ... "
      Babajanyan fraudulently circumventing the instructions of the CPSU Central Committee dragged the unprepared t-72 tank into operation !!
      “The Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers adopted the“ 434 ”tank, which has not yet been surpassed by NATO countries even in design work, and a number of military commanders (Babzdzhanyan. Ryabov, Dikiy, Syutkin, Sirik, Kartsev), instead of fully supporting this the decision of the Central Committee and the SOVMIN, since 1964, has been artificially restrained at a time when our T-55 and T-62, in comparison with the M60, Leopard, and Chiften, began to age from about the same 1964.
      Over the past period, with a business party approach, it would have been possible to transfer the entire industry to issue 434, and today have more than 1000 regiments equipped with unsurpassed 434 tanks.
      Difficulties in the development of this tank and its engine gave rise to a sharply negative attitude towards it. The factory that created the “434”, all years heroically worked on improving the machine and several years ago dramatically increased the reliability and life of both the tank and the engine.
      Despite this, to this day, only one factory is engaged in the production of this tank, and all other plants produce obsolete equipment, or do not release it at all - they are waiting for the military to change their minds.
      The chiefs we indicated, led by Babajanyan, in defiance of the "434" machine adopted by the Central Committee, fraudulently constructed the "172" tank, which
      Unsuitable for combat, under conditions of use of weapons of mass destruction of action, as well as in ordinary combat conditions.

      From the book "Nikolai Kucherenko. Fifty Years in the Battle for the Tanks of the USSR".
      There is still a letter to Kucherenko Brezhnev, if I find any interest !!
      So what??
      Not heroes, but criminals who were pushing each other by nepotism !!

      Anyone else would be shot for 10 part of what the Babajanyans did!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 54
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Then name the time, to

    military commandant of the NKAO emergency zone and adjacent regions of the Azerbaijan SSR, former commander of the North Caucasian District of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, Lieutenant General Yuri Kosolapov.
    http://vesti.az/news/146131

    In an exclusive interview with Vesti.Az, the former chief of staff of the Office of the Internal Troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs for the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia, candidate of military sciences, the former commandant of the NKAO special situation region, Major General Vladislav Safonov will shed light on how Azerbaijan lost Nagorno-Karabakh,
    http://myazerbaijan.org/index.php?p=interview/39
    This is for starters, I'll still customize !!
  • gabatikuk
    gabatikuk 7 May 2013 20: 41
    +2
    you are absolutely right
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 18
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Do we need this?

    Do not console yourself with illusions, Armenia is an ally of Russia only while it is afraid of Azerbaijan.

    Russia has a huge influence on both Azerbaijan and Armenia. But there is no political decision on Karabakh, although Russia could have pushed it long ago. Do you know why? Because "Armenia is an ally of Russia only as long as it is afraid of Azerbaijan"

    You are absolutely right!
    therefore, Russia is not profitable to solve this problem !!
    I would add that Azerbaijan has not yet been finally resolved. The problem depends on Russia, but much less, but it depends !!
  • cdrt
    cdrt 7 May 2013 15: 53
    0
    I absolutely agree.
    Russia does not need to solve the Karabakh problem, because it is harmful to our interests.

    As soon as you decide, Armenia will immediately remember its partnership with NATO.

    And so ... where do the Armenians go?
    Only the alliance with the Russian Federation and the friendly neutrality of Iran does not allow Azerbaijan to strangle Armenia with the support of Turkey.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 13
      -2
      Quote: cdrt
      friendly neutrality of Iran

      no. active help !!!
      If not for Iran’s help, Armenia would have long been bent!
  • Arminian power
    Arminian power 26 May 2013 02: 50
    -1
    Armenia ne boitsya azerbajana i mi eto dokazali. Rossia prikrivaet Armeniu ne za krasivie glaza a chto bi turki ne vmeshalis reg. politiku vot i vsya arifmetika
  • hayabusa777
    hayabusa777 7 May 2013 11: 24
    -9
    Those who wish us defeat - I wish you the heart of AMIN
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 7 May 2013 11: 30
    -5
    [quote = Alexander Romanov] So what, everything will end again within the same boundaries, [/ quot
    deeply mistaken. The war will not last long. And where does Georgia? Do you think Russia will declare war on us? And what is stopping you from recognizing Karabakh now?
    1. hayabusa777
      hayabusa777 7 May 2013 11: 37
      -3
      In the top ten - by the way at the time the photo from IDEF 2013 GURZE
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2013 11: 44
      +4
      Quote: xetai9977
      Do you think Russia will declare war on us?

      Have to. To the CSTO did not fall apart.
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE 7 May 2013 12: 04
        -4
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: xetai9977
        Do you think Russia will declare war on us?

        Have to. To the CSTO did not fall apart.

        NKR has the same attitude to CSTO as Sierra Leone to NATO
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 May 2013 12: 07
          +6
          But Armenia is related to the CSTO.
          1. mansur
            mansur 7 May 2013 12: 46
            +4
            Quote: Spade
            But Armenia is related to the CSTO.


            At his last press conference, the Armenian leader urged "not to believe all those who say that Russia is forcing us to join the Customs Union":

            - There is nothing like that. Another thing is integration processes. And how can we not continue them? How can we connect military security issues with the CSTO, with Russia, and further economic or political fate - with another country or other alliance?
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 43
            0
            and Karabakh Russia has already recognized? name the date, only slow down, I can’t write down laughing
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 33
          +6
          Quote: OTAKE

          NKR has the same attitude to CSTO as Sierra Leone to NATO

          It doesn’t matter, just to the extent that Russia cannot fail to provide assistance. Otherwise, Armenia and everyone else will leave the CSTO, and the CU will order a long life.
          1. the gray wolf
            the gray wolf 7 May 2013 12: 38
            10 th
            We are waiting for you to be the first in the ranks of the gangs of formations during the sweeping of Karabakh. wassat if you think that we wish you a bullet, dear Alexander is mistaken.
            and in Russia women still haunt.
            1. adg76
              adg76 7 May 2013 12: 53
              +4
              A bullet, missiles and bombs will be enough for everyone. Let's not do trolism. And then we’ll slide from discussions to threats and insults
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 53
                -1
                Dear adg76, we see threats and insults every day on the site. Your colleagues cannot conduct conversations in a different mode. Habit ... negative
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 13: 35
              +6
              Quote: Boz Qurd
              If you think that we wish you a bullet, dear Alexander is mistaken.
              and in Russia women still haunt.

              On August 8, 2008, Georgians also spoke about gangs from the north, only then did their heels sparkle, and the bodies of those who spoke did not have time to dig in. Continue in the same vein, about the great keyboard mourn wink
              1. Army1
                Army1 7 May 2013 14: 15
                +3
                I agree that Russia will do everything possible to prevent active hostilities, as for Karabakh, the Armenians will be able to cope on their own, I mean troops without direct military assistance to Russia, etc., if Turkey is, then yes, this is more serious , here the CSTO with all the consequences, but this is unlikely to happen.
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 27
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                On August 8, 2008, Georgians also spoke about gangs from the north, only then did the heels sparkle, and the bodies of the speakers did not have time to bury

                Georgia had a completely different situation !!
                They tried to carry out a local operation with the help of special units, there was no front, no layered defense!
                In our case, there is both that and it is wrong to compare the Georgian army with ours completely different goals, completely different potentials !!
                I consider as a person a little versed in this, that the Georgians acted correctly retreating, otherwise they would have been surrounded and destroyed !!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 14: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  In our case, there is both that and it is wrong to compare the Georgian army with ours completely different goals, completely different potentials !!

                  Alibek, well, the Armenian army and the army of South Ossetia can not be compared, plus the fact that in recent years Russia has been sending all new weapons to the South-East Military District. You can talk for a long time, but the forces are not comparable request
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 59
                    -4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Alibek, you can’t compare the Armenian army with the army of South Ossetia

                    Believe me, they can’t do anything without Russia !!
                    They have neither manpower nor technology sufficient to resist !!
                    There they do not have enough people for posts !!
                    At the moment, the difference is huge and every day is growing between our armies!
                    I'm not cheering patriotism, I say Sasha, it is so !!
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 33
                    +4
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    According to me, they can’t do anything without Russia !!
                    They have neither manpower nor technology sufficient to resist !!

                    do not step on the rake twice! Alibek, then in the 90s the advantage was also on the side of Azerbaijan, but it won out how it turned out. request
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 53
                    -4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    do not step on the rake twice! Alibek, then in the 90s the advantage was also on the side of Azerbaijan, but it won how it turned out

                    Sanya then there was no advantage!
                    I am a living (unfortunately) witness and participant!
                    At the very beginning they were armed much better and had superiority in manpower, read my links to an interview with the NKAO commandants generals! Read what they say, this is not what I say !!
                    And then when the army was created there were not enough officers, there were no parts of discipline and there was no political stability!
                    There was no normal counterintelligence !!
                    Now all this is in abundance !!
                  4. Stoic
                    Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 00
                    0
                    was not in parts of discipline

                    Now all this is in abundance !!

                    According to the link: "As a reserve officer, I was somewhat surprised by the media report that caught my eye:" The Malinovsky District Court of Odessa approved the resolution of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine on the extradition of a citizen of this state detained in Odessa region to Azerbaijan. organizing a series of gang rapes of fellow servicemen. The crimes were committed in February-March 2011 on the territory of a large military base in the village of Sitalchay in Azerbaijan. ”I was shocked a little later when I decided to look through information materials on the topic of the Azerbaijani army.
                    http://repin.info/crime/Rape_of_Azerbaijani_Army

                    As your MO spokesman says, "Testosterone in your fighters in excess")))))))))))))))))))))))
                  5. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 May 2013 17: 23
                    -4
                    Quote: Stoic
                    Follow the link: "As a reserve officer, I was somewhat surprised

                    Damn, I was surprised when two bouncers raped an officer of the Armenian Rambov army in a restaurant and even used a bottle of brandy, exclusively Armenian))))))))))))))
                    The details of the death of a military doctor who died in Yerevan after a severe beating have become known. To remind, according to the Armenian media, on June 17 the head of the ENT department of the Yerevan garrison hospital, major of the medical service Vahe Avetyan and two of his colleagues were beaten in the Harsnakar restaurant complex, which belongs to the head of the Armenian Football Federation. However, as Day.Az found out, initially this information looked different and was subsequently corrected. "A military doctor from Nagorno-Karabakh Vahe Avetyan was beaten and raped, first by two guards, and then with a bottle of Armenian brandy. This was reported from the Central Military Clinical Hospital." This information was posted on the news site Armtoday. But after that it was carefully edited, apparently to hide the facts of the rape of an Armenian military doctor. Proof of this is a screenshot from the Google search service, the cache of which saved the primary, unedited version of the news.

                    http://onlinebaku.com/news/politics_news/76647-full.html
                  6. Stoic
                    Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 28
                    +1
                    Alibek, why are you getting excited? ))))
                    So he would have written, according to the new charter in the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan, soldiers are required to be raped by old-timers and officers, which serves to strengthen discipline and apparently rallying)))))
                    Therefore, since the beginning of the year you have already 39 two hundredths. and only five of them are combat
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                  8. Stoic
                    Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 46
                    0
                    restaurant two bouncer raped officer

                    If your next mess is true, then it has the same relation to the army as the Minister of Tsiapov, oh sorry, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry Safar Abiyev))))))
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 7 May 2013 16: 41
        +3
        As far as I remember, how the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan took place in the 90s, then the Azerbaijani military themselves (they remembered an interview with some Colonel Azerbaijani) about the Armenians said that they fought very hard, cunning like foxes.
        Compared with the way the Israelis are fighting (apparently in Syria it was once).

        So they don’t talk about wimps ...

        And numerical superiority - hmm ... remember the Israeli War of Independence 1947, the Six Day War of 1967, the Doomsday War of 1973.
        Then the superiority in numbers and technology was not Israeli at all.
        The Turks themselves created another people (by non-existent genocide), the motto of which was "we will never again allow ourselves to be killed with impunity."
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 56
        -4
        Quote: cdrt
        about the Armenians then the Azerbaijani military themselves (the interview was remembered with some Azerbaijani colonel)

        Love the tales in the Armenians)))) the colonel himself said))))) then some unknown NATO diplomat noticed that the Armenians are all REMBO))))
        M lin, even the Israelis look at them and cry with fear))))))

        Yes, I know perfectly the Armenians and their mentality, and therefore I am confident in the victory of Azerbaijan !!
        They know how to fight against women and children !!
      4. P-15
        P-15 7 May 2013 17: 37
        0
        About how! laughing And let the book rest where such stories are written.
      5. Stoic
        Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 40
        +1
        And here))))
        The servicemen from among the Transcaucasian Turks - “Azerbaijanis” on the part of the Soviet command — were honored with the same low attitude. Here is what General L.G. Ivanov wrote about the Transcaucasian Turks fighting in Crimea, in 1942 - the SMERSH detective. “Many of them deserted in droves.
        To the question: “Why did you run?” they all had the same answer: "Kursak (stomach) is sick." Many in the trenches froze, although the frost did not exceed 4-5 degrees. Going on the attack, they thrust the rifle under the arm, their hands into the sleeves of their greatcoats and forward. If one of them was killed or wounded, then those who were nearby stopped, sat down on the ground, forming a living circle, and expressed their grief with plaintive cries: "Wai, wai, wai ...". The enemy, seeing a motionless bunch of soldiers, opened aimed fire and quickly destroyed everyone. At the front, Azerbaijanis were contemptuously called “Yaldashi” (more correctly, “Yeldash”), although this word in Azerbaijani means “comrade”. (L.G. Ivanov, “The Truth About SMERSH. - M.: Yauza, 2009).
      6. P-15
        P-15 7 May 2013 17: 46
        -4
        laughing Well, I’ve done it, but SMERSH will not write that, and not only about Azerbaijanis. He will write anything about his mother. Especially in 2009. Well, you're a joker.
      7. Stoic
        Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 50
        +2
        Do you know what killed me? That the 77th division formed in Dagestan in Ukraine is suddenly glorified as Azerbaijani. There is nothing sacred for you. Nothing
        Fearless sons and daughters of Azerbaijan.
        Yes, you were afraid to climb Sapun Mountain for another 20 years after the war. And now - it’s necessary, it turns out that you liberated Crimea ?????
      8. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2013 21: 20
        -4
        Quote: Stoic
        Do you know what killed me?

        And they killed me that again the site has appeared voskopanat here))))))))

        Formed in Baku on October 30, 1920 as the 1st combined Azerbaijani workers and peasants Soviet rifle division. Until 1924, the division was a territorial unit of the Caucasian Red Banner Army. In 1929, the division was transferred to the mountain rifle staff. By order of the PBC of the USSR No. 218 of October 29, 1930, the division was named Sergo Ordzhonikidze. In 1935, the division was awarded the Order of the Red Banner. In accordance with the order of NCO No. 072 dated May 21, 1936, the division was renamed into the 77th Azerbaijan Mountain Rifle Red Banner Division named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze due to a change in numbering.
        In May 1938, the 2nd artillery division of the 77th Azerbaijan Mountain Rifle Division was alerted and sent by train to the Far East, where, as part of the 15th light artillery regiment of the 1st Pacific Rifle Division, took part in battles with the Japanese on Lake Hassan. By order of the NCO No. 0150 of July 16, 1940, in connection with the transition from the national principle of recruitment to multinational, the word “Azerbaijani” was excluded from the name of the division
        Almost all of the personnel were residents of Azerbaijan during the war years, was stationed in Dagestan to be closer to the front, and so the command considered it necessary !!
        So hello to Shahnazaryan))))
      9. Stoic
        Stoic 8 May 2013 11: 16
        0
        May 7, 2013 in Sevastopol will open the Monument to the soldiers of the 77th Simferopol Red Banner Order of Suvorov named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze Rifle Division. And on May 8 in Nikolaev opening of a monument to fighters of the 416th Red Banner Rifle Division will take place. The inscriptions on both monuments grossly distort the story.
        The inscription corrected by the "editors" on the monument near Sapun Mountain in Sevastopol begins with the words "Fearless sons and daughters of Azerbaijan ...". It also indicates that the 77th "Azerbaijani division" was formed in 1920 and participated in the battles for the liberation of Sevastopol.
        But the fact is that, in fact, there were two divisions with serial number 77. The first was staffed by immigrants from all over the country in Baku in 1920 and until 1940 was called “Azerbaijani”. By the order of NCO No. 0150 of July 16, 1940, the word “Azerbaijani” was officially excluded from the name of the division, and on October 3, 1942 it was completely disbanded. And the remnants of this division were used to understaff the 216th Infantry Division formed in Ukraine.
        A division of the second formation with the same serial number 77 was created in October 1942 already in Dagestan. Therefore, it was not the “Azerbaijani” division from 1920, but the 77th division of the second formation formed in Dagestan, in which representatives of various nationalities of the entire Soviet Union also fought, participated in battles for Crimea.
        On another monument erected in the city of Nikolaev in memory of the soldiers of the 416th Red Banner Division, the division itself (after 70 years!) Was “corrected” and also presented as “Azerbaijani”. Although she never wore this name, there were warriors from all over the Soviet Union in her ranks, which can be easily seen by looking at the lists of Heroes - soldiers and officers of the 416th division. As part of the 416th division, the Kara Karayev cavalry squadron formed in Dagestan, constantly replenished with Dagestanis, also fought.
        Among the six Heroes of the Soviet Union from the 77th Simferopol Division there are Russians, Ukrainians, an Armenian and a living citizen of Dagestan - Kumyk Abdurakhman Abdulaev - one of the people who raised the Victory flag over the Reichstag, although already fighting as part of another division.
        There is not a single Hero among them - an ethnic Azerbaijani. They are part of other units - including 19 Heroes drafted from Azerbaijan. But the political moment requires that they be in the named division. Therefore, the "proofreaders" generally reversed the name and surname of the Dagestan hero of the assault on Sapun Mountain, exposing him as a representative of the desired nationality.
        http://kavpolit.com/kak-korrektiruyut-pamyatniki-geroyam-i-nacionaliziruyut-pobe
        di /
      10. Yarbay
        Yarbay 9 May 2013 12: 30
        -2
        In the winter of 1941-42. The Azerbaijani 77th Rifle Division as part of the 51st Army participated in the Kerch-Feodosia landing operation with the aim of capturing the Kerch Peninsula and liberating itself from the enemy of Crimea. In February 1942 the division defeated the 18th Wehrmacht infantry division with a powerful blow and liberated the villages of Zhantor, Tulumchag and Kiet from the enemy. The division successfully repelled the counterattacks of the newly formed 22nd Wehrmacht tank division. In the battles with the 77th division, the Germans lost 27 tanks. Thanks to the illiterate leadership of the Soviet command, and especially Comrade Mehlis, the success achieved in the first phase of the operation was nullified. Soon, Soviet troops had to retreat from the Kerch Peninsula. In March 1942. The 77th division carried out the task of covering the retreat of Soviet troops to the Taman Peninsula, restraining the onslaught of a numerically superior enemy. The 105th infantry regiment, who was surrounded by the combat mission, broke through the encirclement ring in the Oguztepe area, destroying 12 tanks and more than 300 enemy soldiers and officers. The 77th Infantry Division, among the last Red Army formations, left the land of Crimea, destroying 34 tanks, more than 10 artillery and mortar batteries, 1 enemy soldiers and officers.

        In February 1943, the personnel of the division distinguished themselves in battles in the Vasilchikovo region. In a fierce battle on February 20, the division forced the Germans to retreat. Division commander Colonel A.M. Kashkin personally destroyed two enemy tanks that broke through to the command post and heroically died on the battlefield. In the battles of early 1943, soldiers and commanders of the 77th division showed massive heroism and freed 7 settlements from the enemy. Up to 600 soldiers and division officers were awarded orders and medals of the USSR.

        In the spring and summer of 1943. the division received replenishment from Azerbaijan consisting of 1 fighters and commanders.
        http://www.savash-az.com/army/77.htm
        SERGEANT OF THE RKKA AHADADASH ABDULGASY OGLAM SAMEDOV
        Dressed in 1924 in the village of Vilvan, Lankaran region of Azerbaijan.

        In 1942 he graduated from the Lankaran College of subtropical crop production and went to the front in the same year. Since September 1942, he fought on the North Caucasus Front as part of the 105th Rifle Regiment of the 77th Rifle Division (Azerbaijan National). Later he fought on the South-Western Front, participated in the battles near Stalingrad, liberated the Donbass and Ukraine. Since the beginning of 1944, as part of the 388th Infantry Regiment of the 172nd Infantry Division, he fought on the 1st Ukrainian Front, liberated Ukraine, and participated in battles in Poland and Germany.
        On April 19, 1945, in the battle near the village of Grabenberg on the bridgehead on the Spree river between the cities of Cottbus and Spremberg (Germany), Sergeant Samedov showed examples of courage and courage. He was the first to attack, inspiring the platoon fighters with his own example, breaking into enemy positions destroyed up to 15 Nazis with his platoon. On this day, Agadadash Samedov personally threw grenades at the enemy’s bunker, destroying six German machine gunners who were seated there. In addition, Samedov destroyed the German armored personnel carrier from the Faustpatron. For personal courage and bravery in battle, by Order No. 238 / n on the troops of the 13th Army of June 6, 1945, Sergeant Agadadash Samedov would be awarded the Order of Glory of the 2nd degree

        http://yoldash.net/2013/02/23/%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82-%D1%80%
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      11. Yarbay
        Yarbay 9 May 2013 12: 48
        -1
        Quote: Stoic
        Among them there is not a single Hero - ethnic Azerbaijani


        David you and your master Shakhnazaryan are incorrigible!))


        On April 27, 1945, Rasulov was wounded for the third time, slightly. On April 28, 1945, during a city battle on one of the streets of Berlin south of the Reichstag, the Germans, thanks to a strong blockage in the middle of the street, delayed the advance of the Soviet assault group. The blockage was turned into a defense unit, supported by the fire of machine gunners and faustniks from adjacent basements. Guard sergeant Rasulov left his self-propelled gun and, heading his crew, rushed to one of the houses where he encountered more than 20 Nazis. In a short shootout at the entrance to the house, Rasulov personally destroyed three Germans from a machine gun and threw a grenade into the basement. After the grenade explosion, Rasulov was the first to rush into the basement, destroying another 9 Germans there. During the cleaning of the building, 42 German Faustists were captured.

        For courage and bravery and steadfastness in battle, on April 30, 1945, by the submission of the commander of the 362nd Guards Self-propelled Artillery Regiment of the Guard Major Ivan Kurlykov, the senior sergeant Dzhavanshir Rasulov was presented to the rank of Hero of the Soviet Union, with the highest government award to him from the USSR - Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal. However, the commander of the 11th Guards Tank Corps, Colonel Amazasp Babadzhanyan, was of a different opinion. By order No. 084 / n of the 1st Guards Tank Army of June 2, 1945, the guard sergeant Javanshir Rasulov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (http://www.podvignaroda.ru/?n=26934533).

        PS On the back of the award sheet instead of the signature of Amazasp Babajanyan as commander of the 11th Guards Tank Corps on May 4, 1945, another person signed up, apparently the chief of staff of the corps, although it is reliably known that it was Amazasp Babajanyan who was the commander of this corps until May 9 1945.

        http://yoldashdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/filterimage-1.jpg
      12. Yarbay
        Yarbay 9 May 2013 12: 50
        0
        For the skillful leadership of the regiment’s actions and the excellent performance of combat missions, the presentation of the commander of the 78th Infantry Division, Major General Nikolai Mikhailov on March 21, 1945, Lt. Col. Ashraf Mammadov was presented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the highest government award of the USSR - the Order of Lenin and Gold Star medals. The performance was supported at the level of the corps commander. However, the opinions of the members of the Military Council of the 27th Army were divided. As a result, by Order No. 059 on the troops of the 27th Army of April 22, 1944, Lieutenant Colonel Ashraf Mammadov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (http://www.podvignaroda.ru/?n=31995431).
        Colonel Ashraf Mammadov was re-introduced to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the highest government award of the USSR - the Order of Lenin for skillfully guiding the actions of the regiment and excellent performance of combat missions, representing the commander of the 78th Infantry Division, Major General Nikolai Mikhailov on March 21, 1945 and Gold Star medals. The performance was supported at the level of the corps commander. However, the opinions of the members of the Military Council of the 27th Army were again divided. As a result, Ashraf Mammadov again did not receive the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, and instead, by a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of April 28, 1945, he was awarded only the Order of Lenin (http://www.podvignaroda.ru/?n=46636962).
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 May 2013 21: 26
    +1
    Quote: Stoic
    And here))))

    After the successful offensive of the troops of the Voronezh Front, by February 11, 1943, units of the 161st Infantry Division reached the approaches to the city of Kharkov (Ukraine). On February 16, 1943, Soviet troops occupied Kharkov and completely cleared it of enemy units. However, three days later, the situation at the front changed dramatically - the Nazi forces launched a major counterattack with the goal of encircling the troops of the Southwestern Front in the Kharkov region and developing a swift offensive in the Kursk direction. At this time, units of the 161st Infantry Division retreated and concentrated near the city of Bogodukhov (60 km northwest of Kharkov, Ukraine), taking up defense there by February 28, 1943. March 18, 1943, when during the next German attack, enemy tanks entered the defense of the 161st infantry division, the commander of the fire platoon of the 5th battery of the 2nd division of the 1036th artillery regiment, junior lieutenant Kheirulla Gasimov, commanding the calculation of anti-tank guns, destroyed with fire from one single weapon eight enemy tanks, while its own weapon, along with the calculation, remained unharmed. Thanks to the actions of Gasimov, the enemy tanks were stopped and the attack was repelled.
    As you can see, Yefim Kam gives a somewhat underestimated number of tanks destroyed by Gasimov’s calculation - “three or four” and speaks of two guns, one of which was lost, while the award list refers to eight tanks and one single gun that remained whole. For this battle, by Order No. 01 / en on the troops of the 40th Army of April 25, 1943, the Red Army junior lieutenant Kheirulla Gasimov was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (http://www.podvignaroda.ru/?n=150552489). In addition, he was later promoted to lieutenant.
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  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 May 2013 21: 32
    -2
    Karimov Bakhtiyar, Red Army soldier, defender of Sevastopol
    He entered into combat with the German reconnaissance squad of 11 people. He killed ten and, being mortally wounded, he bit his throat to the last - a German officer. He died the death of the brave on the battlefield. (“Glorious Sons of Azerbaijan”, book 1, pp. 42-43).

    And there are thousands of such Azerbaijanis !!!
    They, like the Baghramyans and Babajanyans, were not at headquarters and hung with medals and orders, but fought !!
  • armandos
    armandos 7 May 2013 18: 23
    +2
    Let me guess, vesti.az infa? )) And most importantly "Sasha is soooo!" )) You're still funny!
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 57
    -4
    with whatever pathos you would enjoy the GREAT VICTORY over Andorra and Liechtenstein if you had the chance !!!!! and then Georgia and Georgia, they have found something to brag about ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 35
      +6
      Quote: xetai9977
      and then Georgia and Georgia, they have found something to brag about ....

      But what other victories did Russia not have at all? half the world was raked from Russia, millions of soldiers of foreign armies found their death on Russian soil.
      You should be objective, otherwise it’s not at all beautiful.
  • Army1
    Army1 7 May 2013 14: 11
    +6
    Quote: Boz Qurd
    We are waiting for you to be the first in the ranks of the gangs of formations during the sweeping of Karabakh. wassat if you think that we’ll want a bullet for you, dear Alexander is mistaken.
    and in Russia women still haunt.

    Do you respect yourself? Write "such" to a person who, even competently without insults, does not delve into an argument with you, but simply expresses his opinion.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 15
    -6
    the most interesting is from whom?
  • OTAKE
    OTAKE 7 May 2013 12: 39
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: OTAKE

    NKR has the same attitude to CSTO as Sierra Leone to NATO

    It doesn’t matter, just to the extent that Russia cannot fail to provide assistance. Otherwise, Armenia and everyone else will leave the CSTO, and the CU will order a long life.

    In America, they killed an adopted child, a Russian, according to your logic, it turns out where WE are - Is Russia there? :) So let's declare war on America, they killed as many as 10 Russian adoptive children over 8 years, and you sit back, warm the engines of the DVD and go to America !!! 1
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 04
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: xetai9977
    Do you think Russia will declare war on us?

    Have to. To the CSTO did not fall apart.

    No, it cannot legally, because Karabakh is the legally recognized territory of Azerbaijan by all countries of the world, and secondly, under the CSTO, Russia has committed to protecting legally recognized grenades of Armenia. Everyone just knows that the material and technical help will be provided, specialists from the GRU and the FSB intelligence, and well-dressed soldiers. believe the intelligence will have more than
    mental assistance. how many of us died without leaving the transport.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 May 2013 12: 09
      +7
      Dear, one shell that flew into the territory of Armenia, and the Russian airborne air forces begin to load on board, and the tanks at our military base warm up the engines.
      No options. The CSTO project is too important for Russia.
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE 7 May 2013 12: 14
        -5
        Quote: Spade
        Dear, one shell that flew into the territory of Armenia, and the Russian airborne air forces begin to load on board, and the tanks at our military base warm up the engines.
        No options. The CSTO project is too important for Russia.

        1) NKR is not the territory of Armenia, because shells can fly - you can :)
        2) The Russian Airborne Forces showed themselves in Yugoslavia by the fact that they seized the runway, that’s all ended, here the situation will repeat the same way as they guarded the Air Defense Base and will continue to guard it, no, no.
        3) Engines have been warming for too long when they recognized Kosovo, now they are demolishing Syria, will you say what? Footcloths for a long time lacing?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 May 2013 12: 17
          +5
          Syria is not in the CSTO. And that says it all.
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE 7 May 2013 12: 26
            -2
            Quote: Spade
            Syria is not in the CSTO. And that says it all.

            No one argues, but the fact is a fact, Syria seems to be an ally of Russia)
            1. adg76
              adg76 7 May 2013 12: 58
              +3
              We do not have a mutual assistance agreement with Syria, etc. Let's just say that we have common views on the situation and interests coincide. As with China
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 38
          +5
          Quote: OTAKE
          OTAKE

          Until recently, your rating was negative, I don’t even know who raised it for you, but reading you I understand that this is not for long.
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE 7 May 2013 12: 44
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: OTAKE
            OTAKE

            Until recently, your rating was negative, I don’t even know who raised it for you, but reading you I understand that this is not for long.

            You are spying on me! )
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 13: 32
              0
              Quote: OTAKE

              You are spying on me! )

              No, just reading your comments.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 08
                0
                OTAKE, you should write "Oh, how cool we are, NATO, China, the WHOLE WORLD do not care, won a titinic victory in the GREAT war over powerful Georgia" and your rating is guaranteed. become a marshal.
          2. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 7 May 2013 13: 30
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Until recently, your rating was negative, I don’t even know who raised it for you, but reading you I understand that this is not for long.

            Take a closer look at the activation of the hamster block and you will understand who is betting.
            1. OTAKE
              OTAKE 7 May 2013 13: 34
              -2
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Until recently, your rating was negative, I don’t even know who raised it for you, but reading you I understand that this is not for long.

              Take a closer look at the activation of the hamster block and you will understand who is betting.

              THE LORD GOD DELIVERED! Damned! Give praises for vanishing into the anus like the wicked!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 14: 16
                +2
                Quote: OTAKE
                BOCH

                Well, only he ate, because GOD usually helps people
            2. xetai9977
              xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 33
              0
              OK, the whole forest is watching you !!!
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 31
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Until recently, your rating was negative, I don’t even know who raised it for you, but reading you I understand that this is not for long.

            Sanya, I raised him!))))))
            having read one recent article where he competently debated with people over the years! I note this article was not about my country, not about Armenia !!
            I think this person is smart and competent, but sometimes break into childishness !!
            This man in my opinion does not deserve black epaulettes !!
            While I have the opportunity to help him with pleasure !!!))
            Here are those articles
            http://topwar.ru/25614-pri-vzryve-na-voennoy-baze-v-nevade-pogibli-neskolko-chel
            ovek.html # comment-id-1120011

            http://topwar.ru/26203-russkomu-hayteku-ukazali-na-mesto.html#comment-id-1120067
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 15: 03
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              While I have the opportunity to help him with pleasure !!!))

              Alibek, yes, plus sorry or something drinks
      2. Akim
        Akim 7 May 2013 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Spade
        one shell arriving on the territory of Armenia, and the Russian airborne air forces begin to load on board,

        Something I do not remember how NATO rushed into battle for Turkey, after mortar fire from the Syrian side. If, God forbid, a conflict occurs and the regular army of Armenia stands up for Karabakh, then legally it will unleash a war and Russia will not be able to intervene.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 35
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: Spade
          one shell arriving on the territory of Armenia, and the Russian airborne air forces begin to load on board,

          Something I do not remember how NATO rushed into battle for Turkey, after mortar fire from the Syrian side. If, God forbid, a conflict occurs and the regular army of Armenia stands up for Karabakh, then legally it will unleash a war and Russia will not be able to intervene.

          Maybe I’ll tell you a secret, but most of the Armenian troops are already there. Do you really think Karabakh with an official population of 140, and with a real presence of less than one hundred thousand covers the entire front? There are most of the conscripts from Armenia, the Karabakh Armenians are mainly in the army them.
          1. Akim
            Akim 7 May 2013 12: 45
            -1
            Quote: Yeraz
            Maybe I’ll tell you a secret, but most of the Armenian troops are already there

            You didn’t reveal the secret to me. This has long been known. In fact, then, under international law, Armenia occupied part of Azerbaijan. Those. in a hypothetical conflict, Russia will side with the aggressor. The Russian government will not do so.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 58
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Quote: Yeraz
              Maybe I’ll tell you a secret, but most of the Armenian troops are already there

              You didn’t reveal the secret to me. This has long been known. In fact, then, under international law, Armenia occupied part of Azerbaijan. Those. in a hypothetical conflict, Russia will side with the aggressor. The Russian government will not do so.

              Yes, it’s right only who does this flurry in our world ??? If they were respected the Armenian wouldn’t be in Karabakh, therefore only when the Russian state gives a clear message that they will intervene only then.
            2. adg76
              adg76 7 May 2013 13: 10
              +3
              Russia must do as it is beneficial only to her and least of all to think about others. Too often we paid with the blood of our soldiers for helping the fraternal peoples and states. Only their memory is short. And after 10-20 years they begin to mix us with woof ** m. Armenia should not forget that we are connected not only by the CSTO but also by international law. Just provoking Azerbaijan in the hope that Russia will intervene stupidly. Azerbaijan must not forget that Russia has case law and national interests. And we can hide behind various articles of international law, or through mutual concessions with the West, to intervene in the conflict on the side of Armenia
              1. ultra
                ultra 7 May 2013 14: 31
                +3
                Quote: adg76
                Russia must do as it is beneficial only to her and least of all think about others. Too often we paid with the blood of our soldiers for helping the fraternal peoples and states.

                good good good soldier
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 14: 19
              +3
              Quote: Akim
              This has long been known. In fact, then, under international law, Armenia occupied part of Azerbaijan.

              Then in power was an alcoholic in Russia, now everything is different. And what international law stands today, you yourself see what is happening in the world.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 May 2013 14: 41
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Then the power was an alcoholic in Russia, now everything is different

                and who is to blame that the government was an alcoholic ???
                first Gorbachev, then Yeltsin drunkards destroyed my people, and now Sanya, do you want us to be friends as states and how do you imagine it !!?
                You betrayed us, not we you !! I mean the state !!
                You decided which * brother * is dearer to you !!
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 15: 04
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                You decided which * brother * is dearer to you !!

                I didn’t solve nichrome, then I studied at school and now I don’t decide much hi
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 21
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I didn’t solve nichrome, then I studied at school and now I don’t decide much

                Sanya it was decided by your leaders !!!
                When you scold Georgia and Saakashvili the same thing !!
                I’m not talking about you personally and not about local users !!!
                you understand a convenient position is obtained when it comes to other states, then the whole people are to blame, and when Russia is an alcoholic and a drunkard who was in power !!
                It is not right!!
              4. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 30
                +3
                Quote: Yarbay
                you understand a convenient position is obtained when it comes to other states, then the whole people are to blame, and when Russia is an alcoholic and a drunkard who was in power !!
                It is not right!!

                Alibek, simple advice - forget it !!! Now there are a lot of Azerbaijanis on the site and what to ban everyone belay Not one of them participated in the real division of the USSR. And to write all Azerbaijanis to this list, well, it's just silly.
                let the rest write what they want, only without rudeness. All the same, the fate of the world and warriors is not decided here, not on the site hi
              5. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 7 May 2013 16: 36
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                All the same, the fate of the world and warriors is not decided here, not on the site

                Arab spring began on the Internet on forums and social networks So what to say what
              6. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 17: 02
                +3
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Arab spring began on the Internet on forums and social networks

                Ruslan, so the Arabs wink fool
              7. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 7 May 2013 17: 07
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                so the Arabs

                Do you think besides Arabs there are no people who want to pause and hang out by wrapping ribbons?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 39
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    If, God forbid, a conflict occurs and the regular army of Armenia stands up for Karabakh, then legally it will unleash a war and Russia will not be able to intervene.

    You do not know the situation well, the army of Armenia is in Karabakh, with all the ensuing from it.
    1. the gray wolf
      the gray wolf 7 May 2013 12: 45
      -5
      and what kind of horseradish excuse do they make on our land, let them dump it, on the territory of which Russia officially gave them.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 13: 30
        +5
        Quote: Boz Qurd
        let them dump in the territory where Russia officially gave them.

        And you go and take it. If you can
        1. the gray wolf
          the gray wolf 7 May 2013 14: 29
          -1
          take away do not worry.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 14: 41
          +4
          Quote: Boz Qurd
          take away do not worry.

          Georgians also wrote on their sites laughing Do not make laugh, not funny, but just compare the strength and the possible development of events. Fantasy is good, but reality is better wink
        3. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 46
          0
          Alexander, but doesn’t it seem to you that at some point the leaders of Russia will decide that IT IS NECESSARY TO QUIT.? There are also smart people sitting there, and having calculated, they will decide who is more profitable to deal with
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 17: 01
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          There are also intelligent people sitting there, and having counted, they will decide who is more profitable to deal with.

          Such people sitting in Washington are looking for who is beneficial and what is beneficial. We are held in high esteem, honor, valor, word, and you will not find profit in us.
  • the gray wolf
    the gray wolf 7 May 2013 12: 41
    -4
    Nato does not need to intervene for Turkey, he will tear Syria at a time.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 7 May 2013 16: 41
    0
    NATO is possible. They already have authority. And the CSTO is a new organization.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      NATO is possible. They already have authority. And the CSTO is a new organization.

      Russia also has authority and many NATO members remember it well by its bruised teeth laughing
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 31
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Dear, one shell that flew into the territory of Armenia, and the Russian airborne air forces begin to load on board, and the tanks at our military base warm up the engines.
    No options. The CSTO project is too important for Russia.

    So dear, we are discussing the operation in Karabakh. If someone wants a shell arrives. And secondly, it doesn’t guarantee the fact of the participation of the Russian Federation. You just don’t read from the front how many deaths of Armenian soldiers were directly on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, and not on the Karabakh frotne and besides the statements of Bordyuzha that they say it’s bad la la la Russia didn’t react to anger, although according to the charter the Airborne Forces should have flown.
    If Russia wants to participate directly, it will ensure the flight of the shell and officially enters the war, it will not want to turn a blind eye, as it did before, to the death of Armenian soldiers on the Armenian border. Moreover, Azerbaijan will certainly not launch these shells towards Armenia.
  • hayabusa777
    hayabusa777 7 May 2013 12: 35
    -3
    and if one shell gets into Metsamor AES then what will happen?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 13: 29
      +5
      Quote: hayabusa777
      and if one shell gets into the AES Metsamor then what will happen

      The star will then be to Azerbaijan !!! Didn't you get banned yesterday?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 36
    +4
    Quote: Yeraz
    No legally can not

    But politically, no one canceled the right of the strong. The time has passed when Russia passed by spitting in her direction. And believe me, if Aliyev was sure that Russia would not join the war, then it would have already begun a long time ago.
    Quote: Yeraz
    because Karabakh is the legally recognized territory of Azerbaijan by all countries of the world,

    South Ossetia, Abkhazia does not remind you of anything? wink
  • mansur
    mansur 7 May 2013 14: 20
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    No, it cannot legally, because Karabakh is the legally recognized territory of Azerbaijan by all countries of the world,

    Analitika.at.ua. In response to a statement by Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev that the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic will never be recognized by Azerbaijan, on the air of the MIR television channel, Armenian Deputy Foreign Minister Shavarsh Kocharyan demonstrated and read out the contents of an official document, according to which former President of Azerbaijan Heydar Aliyev recognizes the NKR.

    In this regard, the Azadlig newspaper writes that this video shocked the Azerbaijani society, which was not familiar with its content. “The people of Azerbaijan did not know that Heydar Aliyev recognized the independence of Karabakh, after which he met in Moscow with the NKR President Robert Kocharian. The signature of Heydar Aliyev is clearly visible on the document.

    If this document is genuine, then the Azerbaijani leadership should clarify its meaning and significance, ”the Azadlig newspaper writes and asks how, after all this, the current Azerbaijani authorities can guarantee the non-recognition of NKR independence.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 7 May 2013 14: 40
    -3
    Well, well, wallow. But this CSTO will not be resurrected. stillborn, however love
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 11: 55
    +4
    Quote: xetai9977
    ? And what is stopping you from recognizing Karabakh now?

    The same thing that prevented South Ossetia and Abkhazia from being recognized until 08.08.08 - aggression. The war will not last long, what can I say to that request You last a couple of weeks (maybe)
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  • mansur
    mansur 7 May 2013 12: 21
    0
    [quote = xetai9977] [quote = Alexander Romanov] So what, everything will end again within the same boundaries, [/ quot
    deeply mistaken. The war will not last long. And where does Georgia? Do you think Russia will declare war on us? And what prevents you from recognizing Karabakh now? [/ Quote]
    I knew it again, since the theme of the Armenians is it without you
    you that can not sleep
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 42
      +3
      Quote: mansur
      I knew it again, since the theme of the Armenians is it without you
      you that can not sleep

      On my watch 19-40 hi
      A year ago, you would have seen real virtual warriors, and right now - light skirmishes laughing
      1. mansur
        mansur 7 May 2013 12: 50
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        On my watch 19-40
        A year ago, you would have seen real virtual warriors, and right now - light skirmishes


        Vladivostok da Velika Russia in the Capital is only noon, and your day is already over

        Virtual Soldiers of Fortune
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 53
      0
      MANSUR
      No worse than others !!!
  • wax
    wax 8 May 2013 11: 35
    0
    Russia will not declare war on you, but it will defend Armenia from aggression.
  • adg76
    adg76 7 May 2013 12: 50
    +2
    Russia has a significant lever. These are the Azerbaijani and Armenian diasporas in Russia. Through them, one can influence the leadership of Armenia and Azerbaijan, by way of a carrot and stick for diasporas
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 13: 04
      +1
      Quote: adg76
      Russia has a significant lever. These are the Azerbaijani and Armenian diasporas in Russia. Through them, one can influence the leadership of Armenia and Azerbaijan, by way of a carrot and stick for diasporas

      You can’t blame Azerbaijan at all through the diaspora, and the Armenians are minimal, because the representatives of these diasporas have long been citizens of the Russian Federation, their business in Russia, because everything is local to the local ministers. The truth about Armenia, you can influence the state level of gas supplies, military technical support without which they cannot, plus many sectors of the economy are in the hands of the Russian Federation, loans issued by the Russian Federation to Armenia.
      1. ultra
        ultra 7 May 2013 14: 36
        +4
        Quote: Yeraz
        long ago, citizens of the Russian Federation their business in Russia,

        Easy !!! Let's start digging how they received citizenship, and GO to their historical homeland. hi
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 May 2013 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: ultra
          Quote: Yeraz
          long ago, citizens of the Russian Federation their business in Russia,

          Easy !!! Let's start digging how they received citizenship, and GO to their historical homeland. hi

          Well, are you kidding me ???? What is impossible to obtain citizenship legally in Russia, that all of them illegally bought it?
          At that time, everything with Russian women was stamped and after a while a citizen, right now it became difficult, they started to realize the reality of all this, and before that they didn’t get it all, and their children born were already citizens from birth.
          Therefore, drip except for a small handful, you will not drip anything.
  • Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 15: 47
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    So what, everything will end again within the same borders, but now everything will be officially recognized by Karabakh. An example of Georgia on the face.

    Does it mean that Karabakh needs war? :))
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 55
      +1
      Quote: GEOKING95
      Does it mean that Karabakh needs war?

      Perhaps so, I do not know what they think in the Kremlin.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 7 May 2013 17: 00
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I don’t know what the Kremlin thinks there.

        Apparently, the Kremlin is thinking about drinking a glass of vodka and giving someone in the face wassat Well, still go to the women with gypsies and bears. Otherwise, many of their actions simply can not be explained. what
  • cdrt
    cdrt 7 May 2013 15: 50
    +4
    Moreover, the RA is not even necessary to participate.

    It’s easy to block the activity of Turkey in the presence of a base in combat readiness, and then the Armenians themselves will manage, as they did in the 90s more than once.
    And I think no quantitative superiority will help Azerbaijan
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 17
      -2
      Quote: cdrt
      and then the Armenians themselves will manage, as they did repeatedly in the 90s

      joke)))))))))))
      1. Stoic
        Stoic 7 May 2013 16: 19
        +3
        A joke is a mugam about 20 prasentaph integrity
        This is really a joke)))))))
        Something Heydar Aliyev in the 94th signing a ceasefire agreement he had begged for with the NKR and the RA did not laugh.
        And by the way, can one speak on this topic in Azerbaijan?
        That a truce was signed between the NKR (Samvel Babayan) RA (Vazgen Sargsyan) and Azerbaijan, which thereby recognized the NKR as the very side of the conflict, and not as it is fashionable for you to say "NKR" or garabakh))))
        Business builders you.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 7 May 2013 18: 15
          +1
          Russia + Armenia (+ Karabakh) + ... Iran (and thus, in some miraculous way, China) --- such a "club of interests" has appeared. And in the next room another ensemble is rehearsing: Azerbaijan + Turkey + NATO (in at the moment: military-technical cooperation, working out operational interaction) .Well, there are still combat-ready gangs of mercenaries, but they are now working in another region. Like it or not, but, IMHO, of course, a local operation to oust Armenians from the NKR will not be possible -such a conflict is fraught with many complications and a blow from where they did not wait. Until "some" events take place in the South, the matter is limited to skirmishes and provocations from both sides.
      2. ultra
        ultra 7 May 2013 17: 09
        +4
        Quote: Yarbay
        joke)))))))))))

        Your ranting looks more like a joke! You want to return Karabakh to act and not to make up excuses for yourself-INTERIOR WARRIORS !! negative
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 7 May 2013 17: 25
          -2
          Quote: ultra
          Want to return Karabakh, act

          I wrote a lot about this, it is also written above, read it, then write, a hundred times there is no desire to write the same thing too!
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          2. Stoic
            Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 44
            +1
            The city of Fresno in the US state of California “does not find a common language” with Azerbaijan, writes The Fresno Bee.

            The recognition by the city of Fresno of the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic led to confrontation in the international arena. The people of Azerbaijan are asking the city authorities to invalidate the resolution adopted in April on recognition of the NKR independence. The city authorities, however, refused to change their position.

            “We support our Armenian friends both in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. We cannot retreat due to the efforts of lobbying funded by Azerbaijan, ”the author of the resolution Andreas Borgeas emphasized.

            Recall, on April 23 of this year, the city of Fresno of the American state of California officially recognized the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. According to the information, the resolution calls on California lawmakers, Congress and the US President to “officially recognize the NKR and support the right of the people of Artsakh to self-determination, their constructive involvement in the international arena.” The resolution also called on the Congress and the US President to officially recognize the 1915 Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire. and commit to an impartial presentation of this fact to posterity.

            Earlier in April, the state of Maine recognized the independence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.
  • nod739
    nod739 7 May 2013 10: 52
    +1
    as the saying goes, any arsenal is used sooner or later, it’s rarely possible to vent steam
    arming the region at almost an accelerated pace
  • Megatron
    Megatron 7 May 2013 10: 52
    +1
    Why is Poland modernizing, not Russia ??
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 May 2013 11: 43
      -2
      Because they are not your allies in principle. In essence, they have always used Russia to their advantage. trumpeting about the "brotherhood" (which of them the "brother" is known to those who dealt with them.) they now and then gave preference to foreign models: Chinese MLRS, Japanese tractors, Serbian rifles ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 42
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        ... trumpeting about "brotherhood"

        When betrayed? wink
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 May 2013 15: 59
          -3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Alexander Romanov


          Today, 12: 42

          ↑ ↓


          Quote: xetai9977. trumpeting about "brotherhood" When did they betray?

          in the comments you will find good
      2. hayabusa777
        hayabusa777 7 May 2013 12: 48
        -3
        Well straight gangs style))))))
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 May 2013 13: 05
          -2
          Quote: hayabusa777
          Well straight gangs style))))))

          Her right now, the gentleman is in fashion)))))
  • il grand casino
    il grand casino 7 May 2013 10: 53
    +2
    All this is not good ...
  • ale-x
    ale-x 7 May 2013 11: 06
    +3
    Quote: Megatron
    Why is Poland modernizing, not Russia ??

    I suppose they offered a lower price, if of course there was a competition. Perhaps cheaper in terms of logistics.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: ale-x
      Quote: Megatron
      Why is Poland modernizing, not Russia ??

      I suppose they offered a lower price, if of course there was a competition. Perhaps cheaper in terms of logistics.

      In terms of logistics ??? Russia seems to be closer to Armenia than Poland.
  • dominion
    dominion 7 May 2013 11: 46
    0
    They would share Karabakh with each other and deal with the end.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: dominion
      They would share Karabakh with each other and deal with the end.

      Russia doesn’t give it. And long ago everything would have been divided there forever, this war will not be between 2 states and their armies, there will be a war between nations and the goal will be any person. And both countries know this well and do not build any illusions about this. Total destruction, even if one country loses, he will try to do it with maximum human victims with the opposite. And if the Armenian or Azerbaijani speaks here we are only armies and don’t believe all that. Before, yes, but now the conflict has dragged on so much that all on the head only total destruction, and during the war, how many Islamic preachers will appear in Azerbaijan, I really do not want to do this, but the result of the conflict has had consequences and if earlier in the war 9 out of 10 Armenian urines were screaming and only 1 Allah Akbar, then right now it will be different, Shamil Basayev said I didn’t see Jihad in Karabphe and he was right, but the protracted conflict leads more to this, therefore Russia needs to solve it as soon as Azerbaijan wins, the number of radicals grows, which will aggravate the situation in the Russian Caucasus, Azerbaijan will lose then there will be a completely radical Islamic state, which in turn will not aggravate, but blow up the situation around the perimeter. The Caucasus can be guaranteed to be blown up with the help of a house in the 2 republics of the Caucasus - Azerbaijan and Dagestan.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 20
        -2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Russia doesn’t give it. And long ago everything would have been divided there forever, this war will not be between 2 states and their armies, there will be a war between nations and the goal will be any person. And both countries know this well and do not build any illusions about this. Total destruction, even if one country loses, he will try to do it with maximum human victims with the opposite. And if the Armenian or Azerbaijani speaks here we are only armies and don’t believe all that. Before, yes, but now the conflict has dragged on so much that all on the head only total destruction, and during the war, how many Islamic preachers will appear in Azerbaijan, I really do not want to do this, but the result of the conflict has had consequences and if earlier in the war 9 out of 10 Armenian urines were screaming and only 1 Allah Akbar, then right now it will be different, Shamil Basayev said I didn’t see Jihad in Karabphe and he was right, but the protracted conflict leads more to this, therefore Russia needs to solve it as soon as Azerbaijan wins, the number of radicals grows, which will aggravate the situation in the Russian Caucasus, Azerbaijan will lose then there will be a completely radical Islamic state, which in turn will not aggravate, but blow up the situation around the perimeter. The Caucasus can be guaranteed to be blown up with the help of a house in the 2 republics of the Caucasus - Azerbaijan and Dagestan.

        Fairly competent analysis !!
        But this is possible with a protracted war. Since now the state holds control firmly in the army and in the country itself !!
      2. ultra
        ultra 7 May 2013 17: 14
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        So Russia does not give

        Well, we got to the bottom of the truth! It turns out that RUSSIA is to blame for everything !!!! It is because of her "intrigues" that the "fraternal" peoples (Armenians and Azerbaijanis) cannot reconcile! O NATURE, YOUR WONDERFUL CHILDREN! lol
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 7 May 2013 11: 46
    +2
    Particular attention is paid to the modernization of air defense systems, the source said. In addition to the already well-known modernization of the OCA-AKM systems, the sensitivity of the C-300PT-1 and C-300PS systems, with an increase in sensitivity, especially at night, has been launched, together with the Russian Federation, to the level of C-300ПМ. The complex will be equipped with new 48H6E missiles, instead of the old 5В55Р, which will increase the firing range from 75 km to 150 km. The new radar provides a target detection range of up to 300 km, and the possibility of firing 6 targets at the same time, guiding each 2-x missiles at a time.

    It is interesting what Russia will get from this.
    Again, just "thanks"?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Particular attention is paid to the modernization of air defense systems, the source said. In addition to the already well-known modernization of the OCA-AKM systems, the sensitivity of the C-300PT-1 and C-300PS systems, with an increase in sensitivity, especially at night, has been launched, together with the Russian Federation, to the level of C-300ПМ. The complex will be equipped with new 48H6E missiles, instead of the old 5В55Р, which will increase the firing range from 75 km to 150 km. The new radar provides a target detection range of up to 300 km, and the possibility of firing 6 targets at the same time, guiding each 2-x missiles at a time.

      It is interesting what Russia will get from this.
      Again, just "thanks"?

      Well, why else is Armenian cognac))
    2. Ram chandra
      Ram chandra 7 May 2013 13: 17
      -9
      In Karabakh, it seems that many minerals, oil, were discovered. Think about it - Russia is as good as they say.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 7 May 2013 17: 07
        +1
        Yeah. The largest oil deposits in the world. But the damned Moscow does not order to mine
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 21
      0
      Quote: Spade
      It is interesting what Russia will get from this.
      Again, just "thanks"?

      CSTO member))))))))
  • Akim
    Akim 7 May 2013 11: 48
    -2
    practically up to the level of the latest Russian and Ukrainian tanks T-90 and BM "Oplot".

    BM Oplot, will be a little higher. It corresponds to the Russian T-90MA (MS). Modernization of old tanks to such a level is hardly possible.
    In general, T-90A = T-80U (UD).
  • Egen
    Egen 7 May 2013 12: 20
    +1
    There is information about what volumes of work and, accordingly, the amounts in question? And where does the country get so much money from? For some reason I thought that Armenia is generally a poor country, I don’t even know what they live on ...
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 38
      -4
      Quote: Egen
      There is information about what volumes of work and, accordingly, the amounts in question? And where does the country get so much money from? For some reason I thought that Armenia is generally a poor country, I don’t even know what they live on ...

      Russia usually does this for free or at domestic prices, the military budget of Azerbaijan is more than the entire budget of Armenia, but thanks to the Russian taxpayers who cover this backlog of another unofficial subsidized republic, the Russian generous country will help everyone.
    2. the gray wolf
      the gray wolf 7 May 2013 12: 51
      -5
      guess three times. Mother Russia will help her outpost.
      1. bask
        bask 7 May 2013 13: 00
        +3
        Quote: Boz Qurd
        Wait three times. Mother Russia will help her outpost.

        But who knows. The GDP decides all issues.
        If Turkey does not harness interference, I think it will not.
        But that war will be soon, that's for sure.
        And the military potential is on the side of Azerbaijan. And who will win and who will lose time will show.
        We must not forget that in SySHA, the Armenian diaspora is second in terms of wealth and solidarity after the Jewish one.
  • individual
    individual 7 May 2013 12: 38
    +3
    The ever increasing power of the military machines of Armenia and Azerbaijan has one reason. Status of the Nagorno - Karabakh region. There is no diplomatic solution to the problem. They have nothing to "show to each other, so that their counterparts receive in return and the offer is not rejected. There remains a war in which the neighboring countries will be drawn in anyway. Russia needs to do everything to ensure that our military base is stationed on the territory of Armenia, our soldiers are not involved The political leadership of Russia to take all measures to limit the possibilities of participation of other countries in the conflict. We need to understand that no matter the outcome of their confrontation, they will appoint us guilty.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 12: 51
      +3
      Quote: individ
      The ever increasing power of the military machines of Armenia and Azerbaijan has one reason. Status of the Nagorno - Karabakh region. There is no diplomatic solution to the problem. They have nothing to "show to each other, so that their counterparts receive in return and the offer is not rejected. There remains a war in which the neighboring countries will be drawn in anyway. Russia needs to do everything to ensure that our military base is stationed on the territory of Armenia, our soldiers are not involved The political leadership of Russia to take all measures to limit the possibilities of participation of other countries in the conflict. We need to understand that no matter the outcome of their confrontation, they will appoint us guilty.

      Wow. The Armenians will lose the howl all over Europe with the help of the great diaspora there, the Azerbaijanis will lose, it will start in the Islamic world that Russia is the same West, at first it killed the Muslims of the North Caucasus, now it has taken on a swift one, the West will even rekindle this, which it wouldn’t be the love of the West to be directed to Russia, therefore Russia is doomed to solve this problem because both neutrality and participation are equally equal, therefore Azerbaijan must be attracted first, because losing Armenia will not be a big tragedy, because it will not run away, but with A it’s Georgia’s Azerbaijan in your pocket that Armenia’s closed border with Turkey and a small section of Iran remain. Turkey, due to Azerbaijan, will also not be able to help under pressure from the West, because it’s an instant cross on it both in the Islamic and Turkic states . Therefore, attract Azerbaijan Armenia will be forced to be with Russia.
  • elmi
    elmi 7 May 2013 12: 41
    +5
    BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles will also undergo major repairs

    Good overall undertaking. Probably a lot of obsolete equipment has also accumulated in Russia, and it would also not hurt us to upgrade them. Although progress in modernization is going on, it hurts slowly.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 7 May 2013 13: 02
      +2
      Quote: elmi



      BMP-1 and BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles will also undergo major repairs. A good undertaking as a whole. Probably a lot of obsolete equipment has also accumulated in Russia, and it would also not hurt us to upgrade them. Although progress in modernization is going on, it hurts slowly.


      They cannot modernize where, in Kurgan, they cannot find people on BMD, only pensioners remained on the Kurganmashzavod ...
  • tun1313
    tun1313 7 May 2013 12: 53
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Russia has a huge influence on both Azerbaijan and Armenia. But there is no political decision on Karabakh, although Russia could have pushed it long ago. Do you know why? Because "Armenia is an ally of Russia only as long as it is afraid of Azerbaijan

    It doesn’t sound wild, but why the decision on Karabakh. A system of checks and balances, if the issue is resolved, they will ask us from there. As well as with Georgia, while Abkhazia and South Ossetia are independent, they will not call Georgia to NATO. This is about the same as what amers do around the world, creating hotbeds of tension and declaring their indispensability. Only in our version, the glory of the god of blood less.
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    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 7 May 2013 13: 06
      0
      Quote: armandos
      Well, everything is clear, you can immediately see who is splashing poison. Offended and helpless Azerbaijanis and Turks are with them. I don’t know about you, but personally I like that such a small country like Armenia is a lump in the throat of the golden-toothed sellers of dill and the "proud" descendants of the bloody ataturk. Armenia is Russia's only loyal and reliable ally in the region. If we lose Armenia, all this abomination will rush to us. Do we need it? Armenia has a well-developed production of hailstones, small arms, and ammunition. Yes, she needs help, but not on such a large scale. I think they are good warriors and will figure it out on their own, once again by the way. But don't listen to the Azerbaijanis, let them bite, but we won't let them bite. And guys, let's not forget that the Armenians are our Christian brothers who are trying to survive surrounded by jackals. Personally, I don't mind helping.

      Well done, earned a couple of pluses, now you can take a pie with nails on a shelf and go to sleep. :) I smiled about Christian brothers, and I hear from acquaintances of Armenians about the fact that Russians in Armenia are inappropriately respected, they say they say Armenians in Russia - they call Khachs, Chumps and Black-knives, Brothers forever.)
      1. Gari
        Gari 7 May 2013 14: 54
        +4
        Quote: OTAKE
        Well done, earned a couple of pluses, now you can take a pie with nails on a shelf and go to sleep. :) I smiled about Christian brothers, and I hear from acquaintances of Armenians about the fact that Russians in Armenia are inappropriately respected, they say they say Armenians in Russia - they call Khachs, Chumps and Black-knives, Brothers forever.)

        Do you have any acquaintances of the Armenians? And so close to you, so they share with you?
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 May 2013 16: 31
          -2
          GARY
          listen, you can hang noodles on the ears of others, but not me. I come from Yerevan (I lived near GUM) and I remember very well how you called Russians "rus-corn". At least keep quiet!
          1. Gari
            Gari 7 May 2013 20: 23
            +2
            Quote: xetai9977
            GARY
            listen, you can hang noodles on the ears of others, but not me. I come from Yerevan (I lived near GUM) and I remember very well how you called Russians "rus-corn". At least keep quiet!


            What are you, and they lived poorly, apparently on Krivoy Street, yes, but your minister came, grew up there, walked around the district, remembered, met with childhood friends, of course, there was a war now, not peace, but he was at least grateful, to those places where he grew up
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            2. Apollo
              Apollo 7 May 2013 20: 32
              -1
              Quote: Gari
              What are you, and they lived poorly, apparently on Krivoy Street, yes, but your minister came, grew up there, walked around the district, remembered, met with childhood friends, of course, there was a war now, not peace, but he was at least grateful, to those places where he grew up



              who arranged it .......?! chaos

              1. Apollo
                Apollo 7 May 2013 20: 34
                +1
                extension

              2. armandos
                armandos 6 June 2013 22: 31
                +1
                Now think for a second, before uploading the video ... And if I start spreading golden-toothed about you? And what does it turn into? Okay, the dog is with him ... I won’t even scold! Who has brains, that everything without a video will understand the difference between scumbags and normal!
        2. OTAKE
          OTAKE 7 May 2013 16: 34
          0
          Quote: Gari
          Quote: OTAKE
          Well done, earned a couple of pluses, now you can take a pie with nails on a shelf and go to sleep. :) I smiled about Christian brothers, and I hear from acquaintances of Armenians about the fact that Russians in Armenia are inappropriately respected, they say they say Armenians in Russia - they call Khachs, Chumps and Black-knives, Brothers forever.)

          Do you have any acquaintances of the Armenians? And so close to you, so they share with you?

          Yes, they’re so close that they went away from the draft to your army, into the deep taiga and don’t want to hear anything about Armenia, they say that the mess is such that some officers consider it fashionable to publicly defecate on the parade ground of the military unit, they say look at the spirits that we are cool, but you won’t be able to, but parade ground, this is probably a holy place for the military, the army begins with him, I think so.)
          1. Gari
            Gari 7 May 2013 20: 31
            +2
            Quote: OTAKE
            Yes, they’re so close that they went away from the draft to your army, into the deep taiga and don’t want to hear anything about Armenia, they say that the mess is such that some officers consider it fashionable to publicly defecate on the parade ground of the military unit, they say look at the spirits that we are cool, but you won’t be able to, but parade ground, this is probably a holy place for the military, the army begins with him, I think so.)

            If even one of them exercises on the parade ground, I don’t even know what will happen to him
            All fairy tales. Why, and with discipline in the Armenian army so strictly
            You better look at yours
            On Saturday, January 12, in Baku, the police dispersed a rally, the participants of which protested against deaths in the ranks of the Azerbaijani army taking place in a non-combat situation.

            Recall that in 2012, the Azerbaijani media reported the death of 97 Azerbaijani soldiers, 22 of whom committed suicide, 13 were killed by their colleagues, 17 died in traffic accidents, 14 died as a result of illness, etc. At the same time, according to the Azerbaijani Doctrine Center for Military Journalistic Investigations, the number of suicides in the Azerbaijani army in 2012 was the largest in 10 years.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 7 May 2013 20: 58
              0
              Quote: Gari
              On Saturday, January 12, in Baku, the police dispersed a rally, the participants of which protested against deaths in the ranks of the Azerbaijani army taking place in a non-combat situation.


              brutal beating of citizens in Yerevan, Armenia

    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 13: 18
      0
      Quote: armandos
      Well, everything is clear, you can immediately see who splashes poison. Offended and helpless Azerbaijanis and Turks are with them. I don’t know about you, but personally I like that such a small country like Armenia is a lump in the throat of the golden-toothed sellers of dill and the "proud" descendants of the bloody ataturk. Armenia is Russia's only loyal and reliable ally in the region. If we lose Armenia, all this abomination will rush to us. Do we need it? Armenia has a well-developed production of hailstones, small arms, and ammunition. Yes, she needs help, but not on such a large scale. I think they are good warriors and will figure it out on their own, once again by the way. And don't listen to the Azerbaijanis, let them bite, but we won't let them bite. And guys, let's not forget that the Armenians are our Christian brothers who are trying to survive surrounded by jackals. Personally, I am not against help. PS Help is first of all specialists and a reliable shield over the sky.

      Haha smiled))))))
      Damn, Azerbaijanis are helpless, but the foreign base is in Armenia, as many as 2 agreements with Armenia on protection, free transfer from them, purchase and repair at domestic prices from them, but we are helpless well done)))) These people will laugh at me, which I call glitches which are from a series of people who sincerely believe that 75 million Turkey live off of 2-3 million not the richest tourists)))
      Please do not answer, I do not want to slide into a stupid argument with you))
      1. Gari
        Gari 7 May 2013 14: 57
        +4
        Quote: Yeraz
        Haha smiled))))))
        Damn, Azerbaijanis are helpless, but the foreign base is in Armenia, as many as 2 agreements with Armenia on protection, free transfer from them, purchase and repair at domestic prices from them, but we are helpless well done)))) These people will laugh at me, which I call glitches which are from a series of people who sincerely believe that 75 million Turkey live off of 2-3 million not the richest tourists)))
        Please do not answer, I do not want to slip into a stupid argument with you)

        Listening to these virtual heroes is simply ridiculous, okay, at least you can still understand your fellow countrymen living in their homeland, if they have nowhere to go, although the question is also you sitting in the warmth of Russia, patriots
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 May 2013 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: Gari
          and you sitting in the warmth of Russia cheers patriots

          So you missed those marvelous days when Alibek and I were arguing not childishly ??? Where could one understand from my biography that I certainly would not sit out.
          So I’ll write specifically for you. We are native Petersburgers, but I decided for myself that I want to live there and serve too, therefore, although 90 percent are citizens of the Russian Federation and citizenship was specially not received for some brothers to serve in the Azerbaijani army.
          I went to the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan and it turned out that there was a competition for sending abroad to Russia and Turkey, I was afraid of Turkey because knowledge was ordinary, I chose the Russian Federation and went to St. Petersburg, I was unlearned for 5 years, which I didn’t regret because I had representatives of 6 countries, to whom I have successfully brought the problems of Karabakh over 5 years and all the great things about Azerbaijan and right now I have friends in the power structures of these states in at least 6 countries.
          I returned to work in Azerbaijan, but the trick is that I grew up proud of my people and the blood in me and when I arrived I saw that the authorities were mocking my people, I didn’t take a bribe, I constantly clashed with the authorities of my entire region, the ministry of complaint They came in packs at me and after working I couldn’t get out of trouble, so that I wouldn’t shoot anyone, my parents called me back and I was on the verge and seeing my relatives warned all this.
          The entire leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was happy when I dumped from there, because our business belongs to Azerbaijan, the first circle of relatives is well represented in all areas of the state of the Russian Federation, the second circle is well represented in Azerbaijan and therefore no one could do anything against me, but I understood you can’t argue against the state machine for a long time.
          He returned to St. Petersburg, quickly acquired citizenship while I stand in front of the dilemma to go to the power structures of the Russian Federation or not.
          At the moment, my second cousin who was born here serves in the FIZULIN direction, in the summer 2 more brothers will go !!! Moreover, 1 graduate of a banking and the second financial university, BUT BOTH GO TO THE ARMY IN AZERBAIJAN.
          Therefore, there is a category that will stay here. I know them well among Azerbaijanis and Armenians, by the way there are more among Armenians. And my family and I do not enter this category from each family, one man will definitely go.
          We are Yerazy, we are the most nationalist part of the island, and in Russia around a foreign island, these feelings are even more aggravated, so we will meet in Karabakh, as we were kidding with the Armenians if we grab each other in battle and try to quickly kill each other.
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  • d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 7 May 2013 13: 17
    +2
    There is a decision on Karabakh — let it be part of the Russian Federation, and don’t think about war and rearmament, and Karabakh will remain autonomy. wink
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 7 May 2013 13: 20
    -2
    I feel sorry for the Azerbaijanis, I heard about all the acts of Russia and Armenians from a good friend - an Azerbaijani. Perhaps the view is one-sided, but I believed. He explained the essence of everything in this way - they allocated a region in Azerbaijan for Armenian refugees, Azerbaijanis volunteered to help and gave out a region for Armenians. But the Armenians refused after liberating the land and going to their homeland.
    1. armandos
      armandos 7 May 2013 13: 29
      +7
      Well, maybe your friend will tell you where from in Karabakh the Armenian churches of the 1200s?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 14: 27
        +8
        Quote: armandos
        Well, maybe your friend will tell you where from in Karabakh the Armenian churches of the 1200s?

        It can’t yet, .... well, I haven’t come up with a plot yet laughing
        1. the gray wolf
          the gray wolf 7 May 2013 14: 53
          -3
          for the ignorant, these are Albanian churches. The Armenian radio and gum club are the pain of Russia. wassat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 15: 07
            +6
            Quote: Boz Qurd
            for the ignorant, these are Albanian churches

            Oh, and that Albanians became Christians laughing
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 7 May 2013 15: 24
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              and that Albanians became Christians

              As much as 20%, it is not clear what request Today you and Alibek decided to remember the past as a couple? angry I can add oil: Both of them will sit and be silent in a rag until Russia gives the go-ahead And as for Armenia, you know my opinion — an ally like Romania with such and no enemies wassat
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 24
                -2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                I can add oil: Both will sit and be silent in a rag until Russia gives the go-ahead

                Well this is not oil, but reality, but it can change !!
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 48
                +2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                : Both will sit and be silent in a rag until Russia gives the go-ahead A

                Hi Ruslan! you suggest the third option, annex Russia and Armenia and Azerbaijan wink
                Your option is already heavily considered in the Kremlin laughing
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 7 May 2013 16: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  annex to Russia both Armenia and Azerbaijan

                  Incidentally, the most optimal. Very quickly learn to love their homeland. laughing On the markets in St. Petersburg somehow get along
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 24
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Oh, and that Albanians became Christians

              Sanya is not the Albanians)))))
              Many hundreds of years ago, Albanian Christians lived on the territory of Transcaucasia !!
              Caucasian Albania!

              http://bextiyartuncay.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0
              %B7%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B8-%D
              0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B4%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%BD/
            3. xetai9977
              xetai9977 7 May 2013 16: 43
              +1
              [quote = Alexander Romanov] that Albanians have become Christians [/ quote

              a lot of ignoramuses than we imagined, at least google CAUCASUS ALBANIA. with modern Albania there is nothing in common.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 7 May 2013 16: 36
        +1
        THIS IS ALBANIAN CHURCH. Heard about the Caucasian Albania ???
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 45
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          THIS IS ALBANIAN CHURCH. Heard about the Caucasian Albania ???

          1200 years ago what no, I didn’t, at that time I hadn’t connected the Internet yet laughing
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        2. Stoic
          Stoic 7 May 2013 16: 48
          0
          Many have heard about Caucasian Albania. But not from Azerbaijani fairy tales - but from reliable sources. And what do you want to tell about Albania that Caucasian? Or maybe you are not a zakavturk, but a proud Udin - a descendant of the Caucasian Albanians? Or again now start your fairy tales, they say, the Armenians seized all the churches, erased the Albanian writings, and wrote in Armenian))))) The whole civilized world laughs at the works of your "historians" from NASA Mamedova and others. So, leave the Albanians alone, as well as the Medes and who else did you write down as your ancestors))))) Better go to Karabakh, walk through these churches, see with your own eyes, if you understand something about this, and then think deeply whose they are. And then from your nonsense already sickens.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 17: 04
            0
            Quote: Stoic
            Many have heard of Caucasian Albania. But not from Azerbaijani fairy tales - but from reliable sources

            Wah))))))))))))))))))))))
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 17: 08
            -3
            Quote: Stoic
            Or, again, now begin your tales, they say the Armenians seized all the temples, the Albanian writings were erased, and they wrote in Armenian)))))

            This is even Chavchavadze said))))))))
            The whole world knows about it !!
            I read a book - Ilya Chavchavadze - ARMENIAN SCIENTISTS AND DRAMING STONES ??)))))))))
            http://www.amsi.ge/istoria/somx/kamni.html

            Armenians erase and destroy traces of Georgians in Georgian churches and monasteries, scrape or erase Georgian inscriptions on stone, remove the stones themselves from the building and replace the inscriptions on them with Armenian ones.
            Georgian writer and thinker I. Chavchavadze.
            1. Stoic
              Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 13
              -1
              Yes, what are you? )))))))
              Chavchavadze himself, but do not be mentioned in vain))))))
              And Colonel Tverdokhlebov did not talk about this? )))
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 May 2013 17: 02
        -3
        Quote: armandos
        Well, maybe your friend will tell you where from in Karabakh the Armenian churches of the 1200s?

        Albanian churches to which the Armenians have absolutely nothing to do !!
        Or do you argue that on the 150th anniversary of the resettlement in Karabakh, a monument was erected there)))) ??
        Then they themselves destroyed?))) Can I show pictures?)))
        Or will you argue that the Armenians were not resettled from Persia thanks to Griboedov and from Turkey to Karabakh?))))))))
        1. Stoic
          Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 08
          +2
          And before that they were resettled from Karabakh, from the territory of Armenia to Iran. Again, you confuse the cause with the effect. That monument, the 150th anniversary of not resettlement, but return, was destroyed by the way brave Askerchiks, and those photos that you tulit are photoshop, and rude.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 May 2013 17: 27
            0
            Quote: Stoic
            photoshop

            Damn learned fashionable words and carry garbage)))))))))))
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 14: 26
      +3
      Quote: Mangust_ali
      I heard about all the acts of Russia

      Films are still German last look, there are in fact Russian animals, a whole million Germans were knocked down. Soon a new one will be removed, about how the USSR attacked defenseless Germany. Do not miss the premiere wink
      1. armandos
        armandos 7 May 2013 14: 43
        +4
        And why go far, watch the Georgian film about the war 080808, it seems called "5 days in August", there even Andy Garcia plays Saakashvili. There are Russian soldiers, well, just like the Nazis, but the valiant Georgian soldiers in NATO uniforms save children from the invasion of drunken and ragged Russians. Laughter, and more!
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 15: 34
          +1
          Quote: armandos
          And why go far, watch the Georgian film about the war 080808, it seems called "5 days in August", there even Andy Garcia plays Saakashvili. There are Russian soldiers, well, just like the Nazis, but the valiant Georgian soldiers in NATO uniforms save children from the invasion of drunken and ragged Russians. Laughter, and more!

          and in the Russian Films not so) Georgians Fascists and Russian Rambo))
          Propaganda and all
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 7 May 2013 17: 12
            +1
            By the way, not so either ...
            We look at the eighth of August ... Georgians are depicted in principle as people, not bloodthirsty animals
          2. ultra
            ultra 7 May 2013 17: 26
            0
            Quote: GEOKING95
            and in Russian Films not so too

            Not so! Look at "August the eighth" Georgian soldiers there do not look like a crowd of partisans, outwardly they look quite worthy! hi
            1. Geokingxnumx
              Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 17: 35
              +3
              Quote: ultra
              Not so! Look at "August the eighth" Georgian soldiers there do not look like a crowd of partisans, outwardly they look quite worthy!

              I looked at him once, I remember a Georgian soldier was wounded there, etc.
              isho looked like some kind of butterfly or something started, there in general)))
              and watched our bullshit once! but as I remember there, the Ossetian militias were the chief fascists!
              Well Propaganda!
  • armandos
    armandos 7 May 2013 13: 22
    +7
    Quote: OTAKE
    Well done, earned a couple of pluses, now you can take a pie with nails on a shelf and go to sleep. :) I smiled about Christian brothers, and I hear from acquaintances of Armenians about the fact that Russians in Armenia are inappropriately respected, they say they say Armenians in Russia - they call Khachs, Chumps and Black-knives, Brothers forever.)


    This is all nonsense! And by the way, I’m not so much for the Armenians, but rather against Islam at the borders. And if a couple of Armenian idiots told you this, this in no way determines the position of the majority. As for the pluses, this is generally funny!
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 7 May 2013 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: armandos
      Quote: OTAKE
      Well done, earned a couple of pluses, now you can take a pie with nails on a shelf and go to sleep. :) I smiled about Christian brothers, and I hear from acquaintances of Armenians about the fact that Russians in Armenia are inappropriately respected, they say they say Armenians in Russia - they call Khachs, Chumps and Black-knives, Brothers forever.)


      This is all nonsense! And by the way, I’m not so much for the Armenians, but rather against Islam at the borders. And if a couple of Armenian idiots told you this, this in no way determines the position of the majority. As for the pluses, this is generally funny!

      20 years ago we lived with Islam on the same borders, and then suddenly we realized, we’re a proverb .. against Islam! ) and Tatarstan Bashkortostan Dagestan Chechnya Ingushetia they are far away far abroad) I’ll tell you a secret in Russia 25 million Muslims live, moreover ethnic) and you all are looking for someone along the border))
      1. armandos
        armandos 7 May 2013 14: 06
        +6
        OTAKE, you are a typical demogog. It was about Transcaucasia. It’s like a narrow neck (by God, look at the map already), and Armenia is a buffer zone between us and Islamic radicalism. It’s true, we have many Muslims with whom it’s very difficult to live by the way, but I hope we will come to an agreement with ours and we will not allow radicalization. As for Armenia, instead of pretty dumb jokes, it’s time for you to read a bit of historical literature, and not of authors who are interested, but outsiders. Then a vision may possibly be revealed to you ... My country howled under Muslim oppression and in spite of everything, it managed to preserve its Orthodox faith. They agreed with someone, they hit someone on the head. Azerbaijanis, Turks (especially Turks) and, unfortunately, Georgians have always been shifters and served only a strong master. Persia is strong, go to bow to the Persian, the Russian Empire revolted, let's marry our princes to our noblemen. Armenia has always been a reliable ally of Russia.
        1. Gari
          Gari 7 May 2013 14: 59
          +3
          Quote: armandos
          Armenia has always been a reliable ally of Russia.

          Was and will be respected!
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 30
          -2
          Quote: armandos
          My country has howled its entire history under Muslim oppression and no matter what it has managed to maintain its Orthodox faith.

          But the most significant event occurred in 1579. The owners of the Temple of the Lord are representatives of several Christian Churches at the same time. The priests of the Armenian church, contrary to tradition, managed to persuade the Sultan Murat the True and the local city government to let them individually celebrate Easter and receive the Holy Fire [7]. At the call of the Armenian clergy, many of their co-religionists came from all over the Middle East to Jerusalem in order to celebrate Easter alone. The Orthodox, together with Patriarch Sophronius IV, were removed not only from Kuvuklia, but also from the Temple in general. There, at the entrance to the shrine, they remained to pray for the descent of the Fire, mourning for excommunication from Grace. The Armenian Patriarch prayed for about a day, however, despite his prayer efforts, no miracle followed. At one moment, a ray struck from the sky, as is usually the case with the descent of Fire, and hit exactly the column at the entrance, next to which was the Orthodox Patriarch. From it in all directions fiery bursts gushed out and a candle was lit by the Orthodox Patriarch, who transmitted the Holy Fire to the co-religionists. This was the only case in history when the convergence took place outside the Temple, in fact, through the prayers of the Orthodox, and not the Armenian high priest. "Everyone rejoiced, and the Orthodox Arabs began to jump with joy and shout:" You are one our God, Jesus Christ, our true faith is one - the faith of Orthodox Christians, "writes Monk Parthenius [8]. At the same time, on the enfilades of buildings adjacent to There were Turkish soldiers in the temple square. One of them, by the name of Omir (Anvar), seeing what was happening, exclaimed: "One Orthodox faith, I am a Christian" and jumped down onto stone slabs from a height of about 10 meters. However, the young man did not break - the slabs under his For the adoption of Christianity, the Muslims executed the brave Anvar and tried to scrape off the traces that clearly testify to the triumph of Orthodoxy, but they failed, and those who come to the Temple can still see them, as well as the dissected column near the door of the temple.The body of the martyr was burned, but the Greeks collected the remains, which until the end of the XNUMXth century were in the nunnery of Great Panagia, exuding a fragrance.
          The Turkish authorities were very angry with the arrogant Armenians, and at first even wanted to execute the hierarch, but later had mercy and ordered him to edify the incident at the Easter ceremony to always follow the Orthodox Patriarch and continue not to take a direct part in receiving the Holy Fire
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 7 May 2013 16: 34
          +1
          Quote: armandos
          As for Armenia, instead of pretty dumb jokes, it’s time for you to read a bit of historical literature, and not of authors who are interested, but outsiders. Then you may have a vision

          Simeon Lehatsi, who went on a trip through the cities and villages of the Ottoman Empire, emphasized that there, under Muslim rule, the Christian Armenians had no reason for discomfort. He wrote: “During the reign of the Greeks, not a single Armenian entered Istanbul. When the Turks took Istanbul, they brought invitations and persuasion from many areas of the Armenians. In exactly the same way, the Turks took away the large and magnificent lands from the Greeks and handed them over to the Armenians ”(Simeon Lehatsi. Decree. Op., P. 145-146).

          The Russian Caucasian scholar N.N. Shavrov pointed out that as early as the beginning of the 1911th century the Ottoman government took care of all its subjects, including the Armenians (Shavrov N.N. A new threat to the Russian cause in Transcaucasia. St. Petersburg, 114, p. 116, XNUMX).

          In this regard, we recall that the Greeks considered the Armenians as their main enemies, because it was Byzantium that twice deprived them of national statehood. The first time was in the 1988th century, when Byzantium and the Sassanid Empire defeated the Armenian state in Asia Minor and divided its territory among themselves; in the XI century, the same Byzantium again liquidated the Armenian Ani kingdom restored in the IX century in the same Asia Minor (Yuzbashyan K.N. Armenian states of the Bagratid era and Byzantium of the IX-XI centuries. Moscow, 4, pp. 6-234, XNUMX).
          By the way, it is worth noting the following remark by Simeon Lehatsi, who, in connection with the long stay of the Armenians within the Muslim states in the 145th century, drew attention to the following very important circumstance: “Greeks are very evil and unjust, and the worst enemies of Armenians. At the sight of us they spat and shouted “shikli”, which means “dog” or “heretic”. Greeks are the original enemies of the Armenians. How much evil they brought down on the heads of our ancestors, how they destroyed the kingdom of Armenia. I don’t know how we deserved that, with the exception of the Greeks, all nations, both believers and unbelievers, love us, although our people do not have unanimity, and the Armenians do not love each other, which made them known ”(Simeon Lehatsi. Decree. Op. Op. ., p. 146-XNUMX).
          Thus, the main enemy of the Christian Armenians was the Christian power, because of which the Armenians twice lost their own statehood: in the IV and XI centuries. As a result, they have not had it for more than 1.400 years.
        4. OTAKE
          OTAKE 7 May 2013 16: 44
          0
          OTAKE, you are a typical demogog. It was about Transcaucasia. It’s like a narrow neck (by God, look at the map already), and Armenia is a buffer zone between us and Islamic radicalism.

          You look at the map and everything will become clear, on the left is Secular Turkey, on the right is Secular Azerbaijan, below is a radically frostbitten Ayatol Iran (and by the way, your strategic ally), above is Georgia (just a stronghold of Islamic radicalism), the question is, where does Armenia suffer from radical Islam? O_O maybe, on the contrary, Armenia delivers hellish buhurt to its neighbors? "Genocides" all the same do not happen out of the blue, do they?

          Azerbaijanis, Turks (especially Turks) and, unfortunately, Georgians have always been shifters and served only a strong master.

          Oh, these Turks .. they all serve and serve a strong master .. they can’t .. .. :)
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 7 May 2013 16: 53
            -2
            left Secular Turkey, Right Secular Azerbaijan

            And how did you define their secularity? )))))))
            By the eye?
            1. OTAKE
              OTAKE 7 May 2013 17: 05
              +2
              Quote: Stoic
              left Secular Turkey, Right Secular Azerbaijan

              And how did you define their secularity? )))))))
              By the eye?

              look at Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Oman, Yemen and try to compare it with Turkey or Azerbaijan (by the way, the first democratic state in the Islamic world appeared in Azerbaijan in 1918), and just try to read at least the constitution of both countries , although what I’m talking about .. in Russia, the constitution does not decide anything, well, then all these Turks and Azerbaijanis are savages.)
              1. Stoic
                Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 17
                -1
                Vasya, what would you know, a democratic state arose on the bayonets of the Ottoman-imperial mraz and Nuri-pasha. Since then, this democracy has been rushing. That the Anatolian, that the Transcaucasian. Well, the Azerbaijanis had a touch of secularism for a long time by the Soviet power, but in February 1988 it was blown away instantly - and the "democratic" breed was exposed right there
                1. OTAKE
                  OTAKE 7 May 2013 17: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: Stoic
                  Vasya, what would you know, a democratic state arose on the bayonets of the Ottoman-imperial mraz and Nuri-pasha. Since then, this democracy has been rushing. That the Anatolian, that the Transcaucasian. Well, the Azerbaijanis had a touch of secularism for a long time by the Soviet power, but in February 1988 it was blown away instantly - and the "democratic" breed was exposed right there

                  Draw a parallel between Islamic radicalism, Turkey and Azerbaijan, all states are based on bayonets.
    2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
      ZhuDkiyDrugg 7 May 2013 14: 24
      +2
      Quote: armandos
      This is all nonsense! And by the way, I’m not so much for the Armenians, but rather against Islam at the borders. And if a couple of Armenian idiots told you this, this in no way determines the position of the majority. As for the pluses, this is generally funny!

      Dear, can you ask a "stupid" question ?! Maybe this is news for you: Islam is not at the borders of Russia, but inside it! And for over 1000 years request
      1. armandos
        armandos 7 May 2013 14: 33
        +3
        Read carefully, we are talking about radical Islamism, which will flood, we lose Armenia. We have the same many of our problems with Islam inside, but somehow we get along and think in the near future we will learn how to live soul to soul.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 7 May 2013 15: 27
          0
          Quote: armandos
          Read carefully, the talk of radical Islamism that rush, we lose Armenia

          What are you trolish)))))))))))))))))))) ???
          You're an Armenian)))))))))))))))
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  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 14: 18
    +8
    Quote: Boz Qurd
    We are waiting for you to be the first in the ranks of the gangs of formations during the sweeping of Karabakh. wassat if you think that we wish you a bullet, dear Alexander is mistaken.
    and in Russia women still haunt.

    You have women, and we have Russian women, the most beautiful and smartest in the world. You’re ill-mannered. Apparently there is nothing to say because of its low level of development, forgive me - this is an obvious fact. Armenia was and will be our ally, and no one is going to surrender it, otherwise the base would not be there.
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        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 14: 48
          +7
          Quote: Boz Qurd
          God forbid Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, Yakutia, Dagestan, Ingushetia, Chechnya and others will receive the right to independence !! And we will help.

          This will never happen! Do not wait! In general, the statement is extremist, I think the moderators need to delete it)).
        2. Ducksar
          Ducksar 7 May 2013 15: 20
          +4
          Overwhelm, helper!
        3. Army1
          Army1 7 May 2013 16: 52
          +4
          God forbid Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Kabardino-Balkaria, Karachay-Cherkessia, Yakutia, Dagestan, Ingushetia, Chechnya and others will receive the right to independence !! And we will help.


          I propose to ignore him, such as he in Syria shout "yala I'm in a bar" and kill children.
          PS
          I have nothing against Islam, I have against the radical and fanatics.
        4. cdrt
          cdrt 7 May 2013 17: 13
          +1
          Helper does not tear? wink
        5. ultra
          ultra 7 May 2013 17: 29
          +3
          Quote: Boz Qurd
          And we will help.

          Look how they would not pinch you a "help"! am
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    2. the gray wolf
      the gray wolf 7 May 2013 14: 35
      10 th
      for slow-witted people - put it, women express themselves as ordinary people in Russia say, from the same I hear, your intellect is lower than zero once the proverb was taken for rudeness. Beautiful is true - I know from personal experience laughing
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 May 2013 14: 41
      -1
      Wow, you or the women have brakes. If he insulted you, insult him personally, otherwise it turns out you are close by his upbringing. Moreover, he probably didn’t have something bad. In Russian there is a woman, a woman, a woman, a girl, shorter than many designations, and we have 1 scumbag and gyz
      Moreover, here a thousand times people used such an expression and no reaction, so there is no need here to suddenly build oneself offended.
    4. P-15
      P-15 7 May 2013 16: 44
      +2
      Everything in this world is relative. As they say, how the suit will fall.
    5. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 May 2013 16: 56
      0
      By God, I didn’t have any unfriendly feelings for Russia before, and now having visited this site I began to understand your enemies - poison oozes to all dissent
      1. Stoic
        Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 10
        -1
        No, well, Turks love dissent - they just adore it)))) You can’t even go far - open Orhan Pamuk and read, read)))
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 7 May 2013 17: 15
          0
          Orhan Pamuk is not a Turk, and his girlfriend was Armenian!
          1. Stoic
            Stoic 7 May 2013 17: 24
            -1
            Why are his Turks so fond of? )))))))))
            Have you read "My name is red?" Apparently not. I recommend.
            Then tell us what has changed since then.
          2. mansur
            mansur 7 May 2013 17: 33
            +2
            Ferit Orhan Pamuk (tour: Ferit Orhan Pamuk; June 7, 1952, Istanbul, Turkey) - a modern Turkish writer of Circassian origin, winner of several national and international literary awards, including the Nobel Prize in Literature (2006). Popular both in Turkey and abroad, the writer's works have been translated into more than fifty languages. He is known for his civic position regarding the Armenian Genocide and discrimination against Kurds in Turkey, which does not coincide with the opinion of the official Turkish authorities.
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 7 May 2013 14: 45
    +3
    Maybe I'm wrong. Sorry. Here the situation is very complicated.
  • armandos
    armandos 7 May 2013 14: 55
    +7
    Well, guys! Q.E.D! Aggressive, bloodthirsty, dreaming of tearing Russia up scumbags.
    1. the gray wolf
      the gray wolf 7 May 2013 15: 25
      -4
      and you don’t know the boomerang principle wassat
    2. the gray wolf
      the gray wolf 7 May 2013 15: 27
      -2
      yes your armandskiy nose is visible, the ariman is an ariman.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 14: 58
    +5
    [quote = Yeraz] Wow, we’re braking women or you. If he insulted you, insult him personally, otherwise you are close by his upbringing. Moreover, he probably didn’t have something bad. In Russian, there is a woman, a woman , babenkadevushka, girl, in short, a lot of designations, and we have 1 reptile and gyz
    Moreover, here a thousand times people used such an expression and no reaction, so there is no need here to suddenly build themselves offended. [/ Qu
    No, it was said specifically to offend, and not just for a bunch of words, read the entire text and do not pull out the words! And again you continue to insult, so that you are next to your compatriot - I did not insult anyone and did not rude anyone and did not call your women women.
    1. the gray wolf
      the gray wolf 7 May 2013 15: 30
      -3
      no insults, as they say in the Russian people it was said so. It would be an intention to insult would write differently.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 15: 44
        +1
        Quote: Boz Qurd
        no insults, as they say in the Russian people it was said so. It would be an intention to insult would write differently.

        Don't you even understand this? It’s sad. Good luck.
  • Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 7 May 2013 16: 08
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    with whatever pathos you would enjoy the GREAT VICTORY over Andorra and Liechtenstein if you had the chance !!!!! and then Georgia and Georgia, they have found something to brag about ....

    Oh, what are you? Is there really such a state in the world that can boast of victory over an opponent comparable to Georgia in such a short time?
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 7 May 2013 16: 57
      +2
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      Quote: xetai9977
      with whatever pathos you would enjoy the GREAT VICTORY over Andorra and Liechtenstein if you had the chance !!!!! and then Georgia and Georgia, they have found something to brag about ....

      Oh, what are you? Is there really such a state in the world that can boast of victory over an opponent comparable to Georgia in such a short time?

      Read about the guys from Israel, the IDF are called) and then compare their strength and the strength of their adversary, and then look at your losses, and at the IDF’s losses, you will stop laughing for a long time :)
  • Apollo
    Apollo 7 May 2013 16: 58
    0
    again regnum ........... who owns property rights is clear that they also write clearly. negative
    There is no point in commenting, but I think the article should be titled like this, Russia is launching a process of large-scale modernization of the armored vehicles and air defense systems of the 102 base deployed in Armenia and the Armenian Armed Forces proper. Without diaspora transfers from abroad and if not for economic assistance from Russia, the Armenian economy would have been in collapse for a long time and would have collapsed. laughingWhat kind of economy can we talk about, not minerals. And industry, one in a truncated form of agricultural production and that's all. When the USSR was in, the economy has not proved itself. and now I don’t have to speak all the more. Let Gari get out of the underground and write what you have there. With links, facts, and with explanations of a different answer, I won’t accept laughing
    1. armandos
      armandos 6 June 2013 22: 03
      0
      Quote: Apollon
      Russia is launching a process of large-scale modernization of armored vehicles and air defense systems of the 102 base deployed in Armenia and the Armenian Armed Forces proper. Without Diaspora supplies from abroad and if it had not been for economic assistance from Russia, the Armenian economy would have collapsed a long time ago and would have collapsed.

      I am simply amazed at the sons of the gas industry!))) And you probably would like the economy to collapse and Armenia to disappear and the Armenians to perish? How can they survive if Azerbaijanis, Iran and Turks are nearby? One hope for Russia, but what's wrong with that?
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 7 May 2013 18: 58
    +2
    Azerbaijani stand of small arms IDEF 2013
  • Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 19: 22
    +5
    do not insult each other of their Countries and their Peoples! Everyone in History has Big Minuses and Big Pluses! We are all soldiers and patriots of our homeland (Countries, peoples)! You can, without insulting another, Express your opinion and prove your innocence!

    Sincerely, Elijah Khvichia hi drinks
  • ed65b
    ed65b 7 May 2013 19: 29
    +2
    The crew’s comfort will also be enhanced - an air conditioning system is installed in the tank.

    And brazier is welded drinks
  • ed65b
    ed65b 7 May 2013 19: 44
    +1
    Again warriors unfolded gentlemen Azerbaijanis and Armenians do not tremble each other.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 7 May 2013 21: 46
    +5
    I came back from the service, looked at the forum - again. Again Armenians, again Azerbaijanis, Russians for one or another, or simply against everyone, again mutual insults, threats. I am Russian, I serve in the 102nd base. I see my potential enemy in the first Turkey's turn, it happened historically, but if we take today, then the policy of this state towards Syria cannot evoke sympathy. I have nothing against Azerbaijanis, if they do not bang comments in the style of "Boz Qurd", I have no illusions about the Armenians, yes , there are people who honestly and sincerely relate to Russia, but there are others. This topic is periodically raised on the site and always causes a lot of noise. In my opinion, thanks to the stupid (or criminal) policies of previous governments, the "Gordian knot" is tied in the region, but how and when it will be untied, time will tell. I suggest you be patient and at least not offend your opponents.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 May 2013 00: 13
      +1
      Quote: Tupolev-95
      In my opinion, thanks to the stupid (or criminal) policy of the previous governments, the "Gordian knot" is tied in the region, but how and when it will be untied, time will show. I suggest you be patient and at least not offend your opponents.

      I completely agree!!
    2. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 8 May 2013 09: 43
      +2
      The main thing that the weapon was silent! You can argue on the forums in the framework of decency, of course! In disputes, truth is born! tupolev-95 - good luck!