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Veterans of the Great Patriotic War in Israel languish in poverty

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Once a year Israeli veterans who fought in the Soviet army during the Second World War put on military medals and went to the parade. And after that they return home, to their modest apartments, where they live alone and often in poverty.


“Solemn ceremonies are beautiful. People like to come and speak kind words. However, these words you do not put on a plate, - said Abraham Greenzaid, chairman of the All-Israel Union of Veterans. “The rest of the time no one thinks about us.”

In total, the Soviet troops consisted of 500 thousand Jews, the majority of the living today - about 7 thousand people - are in Israel for permanent residence, reports InoTV, citing the Haaretz publication. The Union of Veterans has 50 offices located in different parts of the country. Now most of its members are about 90 years old, and they regularly come together.

However, Israel began to celebrate war veterans only in recent years, notes Haaretz. The main reason is that most of them arrived in the country no more than 20 years ago. Monument to Soviet Jews who participated in the Second World War, was erected here only last year.

Greenzide complains that some of the Soviet veterans' benefits are only $ 50 per month, which is no match for the financial support that Holocaust survivors receive.

Another problem is that few people in Israel understand the meaning of Victory Day for veterans. So, 87-year-old Matvey Gershman, wearing all his orders for the holiday, was ridiculed by local teenagers, who pointed at him with a finger and laughed.

“They perceived him as a clown,” says daughter Matthew. - He no longer wants to go out with these medals, he is confused. They just do not understand what they are talking about. ”
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  1. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 7 May 2013 10: 46 New
    21
    So much for the tolerance sung by the libertorians, Israeli society acts as it knows, and not as advises all CIS states to act. Maybe it’s time for us to think with our own, Slovenian brains.
    All veterans who fought against fascism -GLAVA!
    1. starshina78
      starshina78 7 May 2013 11: 18 New
      24
      And this is in a state whose people were outlawed and destroyed in packs. Yes, people have a short memory! Instead of gratitude, chuckles and bullying! Not good, oh how not good!
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 7 May 2013 12: 04 New
        +9
        Quote: starshina78
        And it is in the state

        Which constantly repeats about the Holocaust and ..............
        and behind a beautiful wrapper and moaning ..
        So, 87-year-old Matvey Gershman, having put on all his orders for the holiday, was ridiculed by local teens who pointed a finger at him and laughed.

        The children of those whom he rescued from Nazi concentration camps were ridiculed, but the fact that these teenagers "ridiculed" the veteran is guilty of the state of Israel itself and its government, fools its citizens.
        this is what wiki gives to the word anti-Semitism
        Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Anti-Semitism is a form of national intolerance, expressed in a hostile attitude towards Jews as an ethnic or religious group, often based on prejudice [1]. Anti-Semitism is a type of xenophobia [2] [3] [4].

        From the Tradition website.
        Currently, the term "anti-Semitism" is more a label for stigmatization of the unwanted. Despite the fact that the right to disseminate information by all available means is enshrined in Russia, in fact, the study of the "Jewish question" is faced with an accusation of anti-Semitism, and Jewish criticism is seen as a manifestation of fascism, Nazism, xenophobia and racism.[1]. From a logical point of view, only malicious lies, slander can be punished according to the law. But if Jews are accused of anti-Semitism, they do not claim that a lie was said about
        http://traditio-ru.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%
        82%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC

        how complicated it is.
      2. Professor
        Professor 7 May 2013 12: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: starshina78
        Yes, people have a short memory!

        Let's just not equate all the people on the marginals. In Russia, it is not uncommon for us to say, "veterans are offended."

        Greenzide complains that some of the Soviet veterans' benefits are only $ 50 per month, which is no match for the financial support that Holocaust survivors receive.

        This is a supplement to the manual. Why does the Author not indicate how much "not grateful" Israel pays a pensioner who has not worked a single day in Israel?
        1. Fox
          Fox 7 May 2013 12: 38 New
          -6
          Professor Pravda.da and the founders of Israel fought, as it were, for Adolf. So, everything is natural. And another question: why the hell did these clowns go to Israel?
          1. Professor
            Professor 7 May 2013 12: 46 New
            +6
            Quote: Fox
            and the founders of Israel fought, as it were, for Adolf.

            Do not carry nonsense. fool

            Quote: Fox
            and another question: why the hell did these clowns go to Israel?! No brains? now feel sorry for them? what they wanted, they got it.

            You will take care of your veterans, in Israel they are all attached and have a roof over their heads and live on average 12 years longer than yours.

            So, the 87-year-old Matvey Gershman, having put on all his orders for the holiday, was ridiculed by local teenagers who pointed his finger at him and laughed.

            Teenagers go Arabs, in Israel such 20%.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 7 May 2013 14: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              Do not carry nonsense
              Well, let's agree that not all Zionists, to put it mildly, loved Britain, and therefore fought against the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition: "The conciliatory position of the leadership of the opposition organization Etzel did not suit its most radical members, headed by Stern, who in September 1940 years left the organization and created their own underground group "National Military Organization of Israel" (Irgun Tsvai Leumi le-Israel). It should not be confused with the already mentioned so-called "first Irgun." Due to constant confusion in names, the new structure was soon renamed "Fighters for the freedom of Israel" (Lohamei Herut Israel), or abbreviated "Lehi". As a result of a series of terrorist attacks, almost all of which, however, ended in failure, Lehi for some time became the main adversary for the British secret services in Palestine. The British acted decisively and soon physically destroyed many of its members, in particular, the organization's commander Stern (Yair), who was shot dead on February 12, 1942. It seemed that “Lehi” will no longer be reborn, but already in the fall, the new commander of the organization, Yehoshua Cohen, managed to restore it. One of the most noteworthy stages in this process was the mass escape of over 50 Lehi members from prisons and camps, while on November 1, 1943, 9 militants and organization leaders immediately escaped from the Latrun camp in a 76-meter tunnel dug for 20 months. Cohen later replaced her commander. Yitzhak Shamir. The command of “Hagan” and Shai, for its part, began the action to liquidate the schismatic organizations “Etzel” and “Lehi” and markedly activated them after the assassination by the Lehi militias of Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Beit Tsuri in Cairo on November 6, 1944, the State Secretary of the Ministry of the Colonies of Great Britain, military commissar Lord Moin. Meanwhile, relations with the British authorities were not the same among various circles of the Jewish population of Palestine, many considered them to be an even more dangerous enemy than the Arabs. In general, 1943 was a turning point in the cooperation of the Zionists with the British authorities, after which it abruptly waned. The main reason for this was the disappearance of the threat of occupation of Palestine, as well as regular practice of abducting weapons by Palmach fightersOn November 25, 1940, Aliya Bet carried out an action on the ship Patria at the port of Haifa aimed at preventing the expulsion of a large group of such immigrants from the country to the island of Mauritius. It was mined in the hope of flooding only the engine room, which excluded the possibility of going on a flight. However, the worn out bulkhead of the old steamboat that could not withstand the hydraulic shock collapsed, and the Patria, which quickly went under water, took 202 Jews and 56 British from its crew with them. http://www.agentura.ru/library/lander/palestina/
              Maybe that's why this ambivalence towards WWII veterans?
        2. gagarinneon
          gagarinneon 7 May 2013 12: 57 New
          +2
          but how old is the state of Israel ........
          and who in this state managed to work except the Yankees ....
          1. Professor
            Professor 7 May 2013 13: 33 New
            0
            Quote: gagarinneon
            but how old is the state of Israel ........
            and who in this state managed to work except the Yankees ....

            60 years is enough for seniority and the Yankees did not work in Israel.
            1. gagarinneon
              gagarinneon 7 May 2013 14: 10 New
              0
              and I have such infa, I’ll definitely show it later.
              it all started with the whim of Israel to own nuclear weapons and went and went ...
          2. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 7 May 2013 14: 10 New
            +7
            If our veterans lived just like their fellow soldiers in Israel and in the same poverty and need, I would bow low to our authority.
            Our worries about veterans of the "State-of-the-art" in Odessa rygyanny power, for which to throw a sucker is not a scum. Fuckers are all those who have not passed the "universities" and are absent ksiva rygyanala. Rygyanalny mayor of Odessa, drove "cactus", among the people "parsley", in the world of "costus"., Two years ago, pompously, surrounded by "brothers". handed over 30 keys to apartments to veterans in a new high-rise building in a provincial area, far from shops and pharmacies. Until now, the house has not been inhabited by veterans, as it was just "kidalovo". The money was plundered, the responsible persons disappeared, there were cracks along the walls, the house was not inhabited or inhabited. The veterans, having experienced such "happiness" and in anticipation of a housewarming party, unfortunately, leave for the world of eternal rest. The mayor, out of shame and nonsense, sprinkled ashes on his head. You won't wait. He lives according to concepts, and not according to the law and conscience. How disgusting it is to observe that crooks, thieves, bandits, without honor, conscience, hypocritical, deceitful, cynical dregs grabbed the power with a stranglehold. Forgive us Winners. We profiled everything and with our own hands gave the state to the trash that you fought for the sake of our Bright Future. You will remain Hero-Winners for centuries. We are in the black pages of history, like the Jews who sold themselves for brilliant tinsel and thwarted such a state in the era of the most heinous traitors of the millennium Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kuchma and Shushkevich.
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 7 May 2013 14: 32 New
              0
              Damn, KRAVCHUKA missed. And then the sly fox almost twisted.
        3. adg76
          adg76 7 May 2013 13: 38 New
          +1
          If the state gave citizenship to a pensioner, then it automatically takes on obligations to him. And WWII veterans paid with blood for the right of Jews to life. Talking about money is not appropriate. Worthy old age and honors of heroes, that’s what should be in Israel for veterans of World War II
          1. Professor
            Professor 7 May 2013 13: 59 New
            -1
            Quote: adg76
            Worthy old age and honors of heroes, that’s what should be in Israel for veterans of World War II

            Here they just have a decent old age. It could have been better, but there is no limit to perfection.
          2. il grand casino
            il grand casino 7 May 2013 15: 14 New
            +1
            And she is there, however strange it is. For example, the article does not mention the monthly pension for veterans. Which by the way is much higher than in Russia. This is only about additional benefits
        4. karbofos
          karbofos 7 May 2013 13: 56 New
          0
          Prof. How do you feel about the idea of ​​Jewish people and not people of gentiles? (not Jews)
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 7 May 2013 14: 02 New
            +1
            Well, if you had even a little understanding of Jewish theology, you would not have said such nonsense.

            Goyim initially - any people, including Jews.
            Now it’s just other nations, sometimes it is mentioned with a negative connotation. Usually neutral.

            There is also the name Bnei Noah - the sons of Noah. This applies to representatives of the Abrahamic religions, to which there is a separate, very respectful attitude.

            But this is by no means a separation of people and not people. If only because anyone can become a Jew
        5. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 7 May 2013 16: 58 New
          +1
          So Israel "fought" for the return of the Jews to the Promised Land! Why then were the compatriots called? For - "LOOK BEAUTIFUL" in front of the whole World? After all, the Jews - veterans of the Second World War from Russia, together with other nations, defeated a common enemy, especially since Hitler sought to wipe them off the face of the Earth. I read that veterans of the Great Patriotic War in Israel, more than 50% of the pension pay for rented social housing, there is practically no money left for food and medicine. In the 90s, several families from our organization left for Israel. One feels that they regret it. Here there were respected specialists (techies-engineers), and there - who is a janitor, who is a driver, who is a seamstress, who is a nanny. And about the relationship between people, even between relatives, native Israelis - a solid negative. They say that there will not be a "helping hand", they will "help" to fall, and they will also laugh. Mutual aid - no! I feel sorry for them, those whom I personally know ...
          1. igor67
            igor67 7 May 2013 17: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: ia-ai00
            So Israel "fought" for the return of the Jews to the Promised Land! Why then were the compatriots called? For - "LOOK BEAUTIFUL" in front of the whole World? After all, the Jews - veterans of the Second World War from Russia, together with other nations, defeated a common enemy, especially since Hitler sought to wipe them off the face of the Earth. I read that veterans of the Great Patriotic War in Israel, more than 50% of the pension pay for rented social housing, there is practically no money left for food and medicine. In the 90s, several families from our organization left for Israel. One feels that they regret it. Here there were respected specialists (techies-engineers), and there - who is a janitor, who is a driver, who is a seamstress, who is a nanny. And about the relationship between people, even between relatives, native Israelis - a solid negative. They say that there will not be a "helping hand", they will "help" to fall, and they will also laugh. Mutual aid - no! I feel sorry for them, those whom I personally know ...

            in Ukrainian it sounds like this; Chuv dzvin ta ne ne know de vin. For benefits that, for more than ordinary pensioners, they don’t know exactly 50% or more. They also pay for drugs by returning money at the end of the month and are exempted from many taxes. There are also discounts on utility bills
            1. ia-ai00
              ia-ai00 8 May 2013 17: 04 New
              0
              Yes, I read about 50%, and everything else came from the lips of former employees who came to visit relatives and came in, as they say to their FAMILY ENTERPRISE!
              1. igor67
                igor67 8 May 2013 17: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: ia-ai00
                Yes, I read about 50%, and everything else came from the lips of former employees who came to visit relatives and came in, as they say to their FAMILY ENTERPRISE!

                no one will tell you the truth about income. At work, you can’t talk about your salary to employees. So that there are no incidents between employees
        6. vanya
          vanya 7 May 2013 20: 06 New
          0
          it got out, but it was Fox who was right, the Jews were the sponsors of Hitler, and as a result an unhappy oppressed people who had the right to preventive strikes allegedly in self-defense.
      3. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 14: 32 New
        -5
        This is the true face of Israel! This state of affairs is outrageous but not surprising, because the Holocaust for them, due to their perverted ideology, is only a tool for making money and privileges! And what political or other dividends will you receive using veterans? So u.ody are being mocked at those who saved their worthless people from destruction! Shame on you!
      4. kerozin1982
        kerozin1982 7 May 2013 14: 53 New
        -1
        They have a short memory, but a deep wallet.
      5. il grand casino
        il grand casino 7 May 2013 15: 08 New
        0
        Quote: starshina78
        And it is in the state

        I’m afraid that it’s not so much the state, but some u..kah who don’t know history
      6. Renat
        Renat 7 May 2013 15: 22 New
        +3
        Nobody has canceled 30 pieces of silver yet.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 7 May 2013 14: 22 New
      +2
      I think it is necessary to do a PR campaign to drag 5-6 BDK and invite veterans to return to Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. By principle, we fear for citizens in connection with the war.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 7 May 2013 10: 46 New
    25
    All veterans who fought against fascism -GLAVA! soldier
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 7 May 2013 12: 08 New
      +1
      They beat the Nazis.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 7 May 2013 13: 12 New
        +2
        If "repatriates" Jews paint swastikas on synagogues, what can we talk about? If these same veterans were not allowed to come to Haifa, at their request, the large landing craft "Azov", what can we talk about?
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 8 May 2013 01: 07 New
        0
        Yes? And I thought the Italian fascist divisions my city and the village of my grandmother had a dream. And then they were defeated at Stalingrad.

        Apparently more correct to say-they beat the Nazis with the Nazis!
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  4. Atlon
    Atlon 7 May 2013 10: 50 New
    18
    Jews, they are also Jews in Africa ... What can you say ... Recently, one of my classmates went to another classmate in Israel. At his own fiery invitation. Lived at a party for 5 days. Before leaving, he was billed ... How much for accommodation, how much for food, how much beer he drank, how many times he took a shower, etc. They counted $ 800, said that "it is so customary here, because everything is expensive", and added that he "saved well, since it would have been three times more expensive in a hotel." These are the Jews ... He is still in shock, and so am I. laughing
    1. Retx
      Retx 7 May 2013 11: 00 New
      +9
      Jews do differ because of the places where they grew up. For example, if in Israel somewhere there is a rally with calls to "Burn all Arabs with napalm" or something similar, then most of them speak Russian perfectly =) Russian Jews know what Victory Day is and what it means to ALL of us. Local Ridgebacks grew up in greenhouse conditions, raised by the same goofs. So there are differences.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 7 May 2013 11: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Atlon
      Before leaving, he was billed ... How much for accommodation, how much for food, how much beer he drank, how many times he went to the shower, etc. They calculated 800 $

      but if your classmate went to Arab or Asian countries, then no one would have thought of it, in Arab-Asian countries there isn’t one. There’s a good doc film shot in 1939 in Germany, called ETERNAL ... right there all the truth.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 7 May 2013 11: 56 New
        +5
        djon3volta

        "There is a good documentary film shot in 1939 in Germany, called ETERNAL ... that's where the whole truth is."

        I watched this "masterpiece". Typical Goebbels propaganda. They filmed similar things about Russians. So what? All this nonsense to believe?
      2. il grand casino
        il grand casino 7 May 2013 14: 22 New
        0
        Quote: djon3volta
        ... that’s the whole truth.

        Yes, I have such a truth about Jews and about Russians (especially about the evil Russian Don-Kosaken) I heard that my hair is on end. So, now to believe all this nonsense?
      3. il grand casino
        il grand casino 7 May 2013 15: 24 New
        +2
        Have recently moved ... new neighbors from Lebanon. I once went to them to congratulate them on a (Muslim) holiday. So he didn’t let me go further than the corridor: “I don’t invite you to the table, you yourself understand, you are not a Moslem”. The case is subjective, but this is my personal experience. Although I can't say a bad word about my neighbors Tatars, Kazakhs, Jews, and how strange it is, Chechens
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 7 May 2013 11: 45 New
      +5
      Hmm. Drop the coordinates of your friend in PM. I'd like to know who he or you is lying.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 7 May 2013 11: 52 New
        +6
        Well, of course --- she decides to drive out of the goyim. Well .. d cannot lie .........
      2. gagarinneon
        gagarinneon 7 May 2013 13: 02 New
        +2
        This is not the first time I have heard about Jewish "hospitality".
      3. Atlon
        Atlon 7 May 2013 17: 24 New
        -1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Hmm. Drop the coordinates of your friend in PM. I'd like to know who he or you is lying.

        I was not authorized to do so.
    4. gendarm
      gendarm 7 May 2013 11: 51 New
      10
      That is, if I didn’t get a similar bill after I visited my classmate in Tel Aviv, followed with drinking and all kinds of nonsense while traveling and living near the Dead and Red Seas, then maybe I didn’t visit Israel to visit a Jew?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 7 May 2013 12: 00 New
        +6
        Quote: gendarm
        That is, if I didn’t get a similar bill after I visited my classmate in Tel Aviv, followed with drinking and all kinds of nonsense while traveling and living near the Dead and Red Seas, then maybe I didn’t visit Israel to visit a Jew?

        Why did you hand over our resident?
    5. Professor
      Professor 7 May 2013 12: 35 New
      15
      Quote: Atlon
      They counted $ 800, said that "it is so accepted here, because everything is expensive"

      No, that’s not accepted. You just have your classmates
      1. karbofos
        karbofos 7 May 2013 14: 06 New
        0
        Professor and how much is accepted
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 7 May 2013 17: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        No, that’s not accepted. You just have your classmates

        You know it better ... But while we studied together in a Soviet school, they were not assholes ... And by the way, which of them is "mu-dak", or are you talking about both? laughing
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 May 2013 20: 52 New
          +2
          And by the way, which of them is "mu-dak", or are you talking about both?

          It looks like your whole class.
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 10 May 2013 12: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Professor
            It looks like your whole class.

            Do you need to understand this as: Mu-da-ki live in Israel? For I have more than half of the class in Israel! Together with the class teacher! laughing
            However, your answer is purely Jewish (although I doubt that you are a pure-blooded Jew, most likely a half-breed, or even worse "who bought Jewry"), so you say so, they say Goi is all around ... wink
    6. late
      late 7 May 2013 13: 09 New
      +8
      In an interview with Artyom Drabkin with veterans of military intelligence, some of whom, being Jews, moved to Israel in the 50s, it is noted that in the reconnaissance groups, which included Jews, there were fewer casualties in personnel. Russian, noted that the Jews thought better of how to conduct a search with less risk, were more cunning, and our Russians acted more boldly, counting on surprise, "on the impudent", but at the same time the veteran did not divide the intelligence comrades into "our "and" not ours ", because they fought together, for one Motherland. By the way, the Jews were willingly taken for reconnaissance, since Yiddish and German are in many respects similar and such a scout understood the German well. And for a known reason, the Jews took care of the last bullet for themselves, because captivity for them it was worse than death. I advise you to read Drabkin's books, to everyone who wants to know the story from the lips of those who created it!
      1. Professor
        Professor 7 May 2013 13: 35 New
        +6
        were trickier

        There was simply no such option as captivity.
        1. karbofos
          karbofos 7 May 2013 14: 34 New
          +6
          yeah. the Russians had such an option. a Jew was captured, death, a Russian was washed, washed, fed and home. Jews all over the world shout that they wanted to destroy them, and only them. Well, the Holocaust. Not one Jew screams to the whole world that in addition to Jews, Russians as a nation and indeed Eastern Slavs, cygans, as well as all demented and disabled people, were sentenced to destruction. But the valiant media under the strict guidance of talk only about the Holocaust. think 28 million goys died. the main thing is God's chosen, right?
          Respectfully to all veterans. and to Jews and not soldier
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 7 May 2013 14: 47 New
            +5
            Quote: kalbofos
            think 28 million goys died. the main thing is God's chosen, right?


            And what does our government have in the priest? Jews do the right thing, the ghetto was Babi Yar, an eye for an eye, do not forgive the Nazis, and the fact that our leaders are silent means they laid on our veterans and the Jews do not have their own
          2. il grand casino
            il grand casino 7 May 2013 15: 04 New
            +4
            For some reason, those Jews whom I know (however there are not so many of them) always emphasize that they cut out not only them, but also Russians, Belarusians, Serbs, etc. However, my friends in the government do not sit and yell at the whole world have no opportunity. Well, or they’re just not the right Jews)))
          3. Atlon
            Atlon 7 May 2013 17: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: kalbofos
            Jews all over the world shout that they wanted to destroy them, and only them. Well, the Holocaust

            Nobody knows about the gypsies whom Hitler destroyed, and as for the Holocaust ... Compare the losses of Jews and say the Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians), and you will understand where the Holocaust is and where the frantic propaganda is!
            Incidentally, the Jews themselves brought Hitler to power. And their business in Germany was the whole war. And the United States billed for bombed plants. Look on the internet, there are a lot of interesting things about the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Dupons and their role in the Second World War.
          4. tomket
            tomket 7 May 2013 18: 47 New
            +1
            Here it is necessary to pursue a policy of harsh upsetting Israel, when the mass executions took place in Babi Yar, the state of Israel was not there, Soviet citizens were shot there, and as soon as the cry begins, how many Jews have to be spoken, sorry, what's your business? Soviet people were destroyed there, but your state was not there then, if you grieve for the dead then for all, and you should not divide it into ours and not yours, because yours did not exist then.
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 10 May 2013 13: 00 New
              0
              Quote: tomket
              and it’s not worth dividing into ours and not yours, because yours were not there then.

              I do not remember who said: "There is no nationalism more terrible and disgusting than Jewish nationalism." (FROM)
    7. il grand casino
      il grand casino 7 May 2013 13: 24 New
      +1
      Yes, and I went to my friends for free ... and according to my estimates they spent about 1200-1400 euros on me ... People are different.
    8. zulu_1
      zulu_1 7 May 2013 21: 15 New
      +2
      This is what!
      A year ago, my 12-year-old son, a Canadian high school student, asked if he could be late after school, as the local Jewish community would hold a symposium on the Holocaust and the whole class would go there.
      Well, of course, I said, of course, son, go away of course.
      But his next phrase shocked me: "Dad, then give me $ 5 - attendance at the symposium costs $ 5." I almost lost my jaw, the type of Jews gathering children to listen to how they felt bad and for that they want 5 dollars. I was going to go to school to explain to them about the Holocaust, etc. My wife held back, like there will be a conflict with the class, teachers. I gave him $ 5.
      But this is not the end of the story.
      Exactly one year later, the same symposium for $ 5 again. There is already a wife, she advised her son to ask the teacher if he should go there, since he had already visited a year ago. The answer was "it is necessary".

      And you pay for accommodation.
      1. atalef
        atalef 7 May 2013 21: 45 New
        +4
        My grandfather (eternal memory to him), a disabled person of the war of the 2nd group (he began to fight with 39g, was wounded in 43g at the crossroads, almost severed his arm).
        Upon arrival in Israel, I passed a commission and began to receive a military pension (on an equal footing with all IDF soldiers and Israeli wars) since Israel recognizes disabled WWII as its war.
        He was identified 56% of disability. The pension was (in 1994) about 1300 bucks + various benefits from paying the municipal tax, for renting housing, travel, etc. , in short, many could not have dreamed of such a salary in those years. Grandfather calmly traveled to his native Gomel every year. helped all friends living there and in general from a financial point of view was provided above the roof. Therefore, regarding the invalids of the Second World War) - a lie. As for veterans - everything is like everyone else. Here, 80% of the country are veterans of some kind of war. Therefore, a distinction must be made between veterans and the disabled. In my department (if you count along with the second Lebanese) - 90% are veterans, and 25% went through 2-3 wars. A veteran - nothing surprising, if healthy - well, a veteran and a veteran (no matter what war). disabled people (wars) are provided above the roof.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 8 May 2013 01: 14 New
          0
          You + finally intelligible figures at least someone wrote.

          I ask you to write the average price of accommodation 1 and 2 bedroom apartment with a communal apartment with everything. Also write down the prices of bread, milk, meat, fruits and vegetables. And what is the pension for veterans now. And what are the allowances for a conscript who participated in the Second Lebanon War, without injuries.

          Thank you.
          1. atalef
            atalef 8 May 2013 08: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Sith Lord
            I ask you to write the average price of accommodation 1 and 2 bedroom apartment with a communal apartment with everything.

            A family (or single) who do not have their own apartment (pensioners, pre-retirement age, persons with disabilities (any) or families receiving a living wage receive monthly (from the state) for housing
            On Sunday, May 6, the government’s decision to increase housing rental benefits for families eligible for social housing takes effect. The maximum allowance will be 3,000 shekels per month against the current 1,750 shekels,
            People with disabilities (since he is alone, not family, is my clarification) rental allowances will increase to a lesser extent. Wheelchair users who are now receiving 1,500 shekels a month for rent will start receiving 2,500 shekels from Sunday. For families of such disabled people, the allowance will be increased from 1,750 to 3,000 shekels.
            Poor families with 1-4 children whose income does not exceed the subsistence minimum will start paying 1,170 shekels a month instead of 600. Families with four children, now receiving 700 shekels a month, will start receiving 1,470 shekels. For families whose incomes exceed the living wage by no more than 25%, benefits will increase, respectively, from 450 to 740 shekels and from 550 to 930 shekels.

            because war veterans (say) no disabled people (family) get in the region of 2000-2500 (up to 3000)
            Let's say for a 3-room apartment this is enough for 100%, there are practically no one-room and 2-room apartments in Israel, or rather just a minuscule. But if you manage to find, then the difference of course remains with the family. those. the apartment is practically paid by the state.
            Municipal tax (An analogue of your housing and communal services, only without heating, which is clear why the fuck is not necessary here, pensioners pay 10%, for example, I pay 1000 per month, they are 100, respectively), fare on public transport is 50%, TV tax is 400 year do not pay. Medications -25-50% and can be listed for a long time) Of course, pensions (again, I’m talking about families and people who haven’t worked in Israel) have not been canceled pensions (more precisely, allowance for a family of 2 people)
            The amount of the basic monthly allowance for old age per person is 1,502 n.sh. (starting from 01.01.2013), and for a married couple (the allowance for a couple consists of an allowance for one person and a supplement for a spouse) - 2,257 n.sh. (from 01.01.2013). The amount of the basic monthly allowance for old age for people who have reached 80 years of age is per person 1,587 n.sh. (starting from 01.01.2013), and for a couple (the allowance for a couple consists of an allowance for one person and allowances for a spouse) - 2,342 n.sh. (from 01.01.2013).
            If each of the spouses individually meets the conditions for receiving old-age benefits, then each of them has the right to benefits for a single pensioner. We remind you that this does not apply to new immigrants who did not work in Israel.

            Repatriates have more (my note)
  5. Vadivak
    Vadivak 7 May 2013 10: 51 New
    16
    Well now what really

    Once a year, veterans receive benefits from the Ministry of Absorption in the amount of 1000 shekels (about $ 270). By the way, this amount is paid to the widows of veterans, but only within three years after the death of the spouse.
    In addition to pension accruals, a veteran in Israel is entitled to a 100 percent discount on city tax (Arnona), a 50 percent discount on medicines, a 50 percent discount on 400 kilowatts of electricity consumed, as well as discounts on a telephone, payment for a state apartment or rented housing, and heating. The list of benefits for residents of World War II and blockades living in Israel also includes: a 10 percent bonus from the Ministry of Construction to the amount allocated to veterans for rental housing, a 75 percent discount on medications and a full exemption from paying the television tax.

    And our president does not forget Israeli veterans by May 9, Moscow made a gift - a lump sum payment of $ 170
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 7 May 2013 10: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Vadivak
      Once a year, veterans receive benefits from the Ministry of Absorption in the amount of 1000 shekels (about $ 270)

      Our veterans receive a pension MONTHLY in the amount of 22-25 TR This is somewhere around $ 730-830. Compared to the Jewish allowance, heaven and earth!
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 7 May 2013 11: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Atlon
        MONTHLY in the amount of 22-25 tr

        depending on the region. in Tatarstan, veterans of the Second World War receive 30 thousand, and those who worked in the oil industry, those veterans of the Second World War receive 35 thousand, Tatneft pays extra!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 7 May 2013 21: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: djon3volta
          depending on the region. in Tatarstan, veterans of the Second World War receive 30 thousand,


          My mother-in-law, a blockade girl, ate grass (she still doesn’t eat it) doesn’t get a dime, but in winter there was 41-42 fact in Leningrad, but some clerk wrote the place of evacuation incorrectly and that’s all from the Russian official, that for all there is no need to sign
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 7 May 2013 11: 47 New
        +7
        So an old-age pension is separate. This is an additional allowance.
      3. Rumata
        Rumata 7 May 2013 13: 52 New
        +6
        Quote: Atlon
        Our veterans receive a pension MONTHLY in the amount of 22-25 TR This is somewhere around $ 730-830. Compared to the Jewish allowance, heaven and earth!

        And what about the pension? Talk about bonuses that those who did not participate in the WWII do not have. The pension itself is a completely different conversation, and often it is higher than the 700 dollars
      4. Vadivak
        Vadivak 7 May 2013 14: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Atlon
        Our veterans receive a pension MONTHLY


        Did I write what pensions the Israeli veterans receive? You are inattentive Paul read - In addition to pension accruals Pension of a veteran who wasn’t injured at about $ 800


        1. Atlon
          Atlon 7 May 2013 17: 31 New
          +2
          Well, I didn’t write that: "WWII veterans in Israel vegetate in poverty" This is the title of the article, by the way ...
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 7 May 2013 21: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: Atlon
            Well, not I wrote that: "WWII veterans in Israel vegetate in poverty"


            Pavel, well, not everything must be unconditionally believed,

            Quote: Atlon
            InoTV referring to Haaretz.

            The oldest profession - They pay - we print
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 7 May 2013 21: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadivak
              Pavel, well, not everything must be unconditionally believed,

              Let me slightly change the phrase.
              Paul do not believe ANYONE or anything. Doubt everything. So reliable.
              This is a joke, but every joke has a fraction of a joke. smile
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 7 May 2013 22: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Paul do not believe ANYONE or anything.


                Or so

                Question everything. R. Descartes
      5. atalef
        atalef 7 May 2013 21: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Atlon
        Our veterans receive a pension MONTHLY in the amount of 22-25 TR This is somewhere around $ 730-830. Compared to the Jewish allowance, heaven and earth!

        We simply have a regular pension more (and this is for those who have not worked for a day in the country, because in Israel they receive 2 pensions. One from the national insurance service and the second cumulative if postponed (you and the employer) in retirement age, they receive only from the national insurance service and for more than the Russian veteran ones), and with the veteran allowance (one-time) and benefits (which by the way all pensioners receive), taxes, travel, medicine, municipal, TV and electricity. Do not make laugh and do not equal.
    2. atalef
      atalef 8 May 2013 08: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Vadivak
      Also write down the prices of bread, milk, meat, fruits and vegetables. And what is the pension for veterans now. And what are the allowances for a conscript who participated in the Second Lebanon War without injuries?

      Quote: Sith Lord
      Also write down the prices of bread, milk, meat, fruits and vegetables.

      Meat - chicken - 20 sh, pork - 30 sh, beef (always expensive - from 45 - 230, lamb 60 and above, fish - it is different (carp, perch - 20-25) Bread -6, fruit - I do not know separately (as the wife walks) potatoes (3-5, cucumbers, tomatoes (some pennies (although there are short periods of the off-season when it comes to 10sh), in short for my family (4 people) all vegetables and fruits (from peaches and watermelons , potatoes and generally fruits and vegetables, we have a constant set all year round - 120 - 160 sh per week), eggs 3 dess. -30 sh.
      Quote: Sith Lord
      And what are the allowances for a conscript who participated in the Second Lebanon War, without injuries.

      None, like all other wars (if not wounded, more precisely if not recognized as disabled)
      As for the Second World War, they say there are some disposable ones (not for people with disabilities) I do not know for sure. here wrote more knowledgeable in this.
  6. fight
    fight 7 May 2013 10: 52 New
    14
    I honestly, on the whole, are dressed up with all the information about those who left the territory of Russia and who subsequently live outside it that they feel bad. Guys come back to Russia if they offend you there. I am a patriot of my homeland and I am not going to leave it, and I do not advise you))))))
    1. 101
      101 7 May 2013 11: 17 New
      +6
      They tell you about the benefit once a year for the holiday, but a veteran or blockade who has moved even from the USSR to his retirement can support his whole family. Why don’t understand? As usual, we say that we’re the best
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  8. seller trucks
    seller trucks 7 May 2013 11: 21 New
    +1
    quote = luta] In total, 500 thousand Jews were in the Soviet troops [/ quote]

    oh, I am tormented by vague doubts for these numbers and the second moment what kind of word "consisted" All veteran with the Holiday, we honor and remember and thank you very much
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 May 2013 14: 35 New
      +7
      Don’t worry, my dear, and read the right books.
      Living story: Soviet Jewish prisoners of war in WWII
      According to TsAMO, 501 thousand people participated in the ranks of the Red Army and the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War, which amounted to approximately 1,7% of the total number and 16% of the entire Jewish population of the USSR before the Second World War.

      27% of Jews went to the front voluntarily.

      80% of Jewish soldiers served in combat units (the bulk are ordinary, sergeant and junior command personnel).

      TsAMO data indicate that 198 thousand Jews died in battle, died from wounds and illnesses, or went missing (this corresponds to about 40% of the total irretrievable losses for a particular nationality; versus 25% for the Red Army as a whole).

      The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded to 131 Jews (5th place among the peoples of the USSR, representatives of which were awarded this high rank), of which 45 were posthumous. 12 Jews became full holders of the Order of Glory, and 4 people are forever included in the lists of military units.

      I give these figures especially for those who like stories that Jews speculated on the Tashkent front while the whole country was at war.

      According to various estimates, from 75 to 85 thousand Soviet Jewish soldiers were captured.

      According to the Office of Repatriation Affairs under the Council of Ministers of the USSR, 4762 Jewish prisoners of war were repatriated to the Soviet Union after the war. The bulk of them are those who managed to hide their nationality.

      Thus, the mortality rate of Jewish prisoners of war is approximately 94%.
      1. karbofos
        karbofos 7 May 2013 14: 48 New
        +1
        28% of the 80 million dead in World War II are Russians. these are 22 Russians (Ukrainians, Belarusians), the rest are Jews and other republics of the USSR
      2. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq 7 May 2013 15: 02 New
        -3
        Prof, well, to tell the truth, tell me how many Jews fought on the Adolf side, the famous poster with the SS fighter turns out to be copied from a man whose mother was Jewish.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 7 May 2013 15: 10 New
          +5
          I wonder how actively, before the holy days, like the Victory Day, all rot creeps out into the sun
        2. Professor
          Professor 7 May 2013 15: 10 New
          +7
          Quote: Heccrbq
          tell me how many Jews fought on the side of adolf

          Was there really a Jewish army or Hitler’s Jewish corps?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 15: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: Professor

            Was there really a Jewish army or Hitler’s Jewish corps?

            Of course it was, a whole division of Jews was sitting in Auschwitz, there were still Russians, or what are you talking about
            1. Professor
              Professor 7 May 2013 15: 21 New
              +2
              Happy you. We are here with the Nazis praising Hitler’s cause. And you?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 18 New
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                Happy you

                Mutually drinks
                Quote: Professor
                We are here with the Nazis praising Hitler’s cause. And you?

                And in the morning we gave one to Natsik in the face, called the veterans shortcomings. Now I drink beer at home. Happy and tired with a sense of accomplishment winked
                1. il grand casino
                  il grand casino 7 May 2013 16: 30 New
                  0
                  It’s not a sin to drink for such a thing!
                2. Dmitry_2013
                  Dmitry_2013 7 May 2013 17: 25 New
                  +1
                  Now I drink beer at home.

                  If you drink a lot of beer, then in the face you can quite soon get it yourself. wink
                  Stop eating.
            2. il grand casino
              il grand casino 7 May 2013 15: 29 New
              +1
              And not one! In addition to Hebrews, Russians, Serbs and Poles, there were also incorrect Germans (well, the Communists, or those who were against Hitler — in short, terrible people) ... but the Germans did not capture the whole world with such force.
        3. il grand casino
          il grand casino 7 May 2013 15: 33 New
          +7
          That's people ... and let's remember how many Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Tatars, Cossacks fought on the side of Hitler ... something tells me that there were more of them. Bastard is not a national attribute.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 16: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Heccrbq
          Prof, well, what’s to be said, tell me how many Jews fought on the side of Adolf

          To the last acts of Israel I am negatiano and even very. But this does not give an occasion to rewrite history and write crap. Millions were destroyed by Jews and more than 30 million Russians, how many of them are not known in the camps. Not about that dear komenty sculpt
  9. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 7 May 2013 11: 44 New
    +2
    Those who were shown to the threshold in the USSR - units, and the rest left their homeland (the homeland is the country in which you were born) -voluntarily. They made their choice!
    1. 101
      101 7 May 2013 12: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      (Homeland is the country in which you were born)

      It’s not worth simplifying. For example, you were born in one of the former republics and found out that there you are just a Russian pig, what do you think is your homeland? Now put yourself in the shoes of a person who can and is very good smart and decent who comes home from work reading dirty curses on his door at home and the inscription Get out What should he do? I am often ashamed of us when we shit in the elevators and say spirituality and some special purpose It's a shame in words one thing is another
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 7 May 2013 14: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: 101
        I am often ashamed of us when we shit in elevators and say spirituality


        Right Shaov is singing
        : "if only he did not urinate at the entrance and did not climb to the government."
  10. lilit.193
    lilit.193 7 May 2013 11: 47 New
    +8
    But I didn’t understand that our veterans are so good and elegant and that they don’t have any material problems that you can now watch, but what about the veterans in Israel? That we have few veterans living poorly, or even just do not have housing? They could have forked out, there are so few of them. And in Israel they will understand without us.
  11. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 7 May 2013 12: 27 New
    +1
    People chose their place of residence on their own. At the time of moving there, they at least were approaching retirement age. People are inherent in making mistakes. And here at least they did not laugh at them for their awards. And the pensions of veterans are higher than regular labor.
    1. ZhuDkiyDrugg
      ZhuDkiyDrugg 7 May 2013 13: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Hedgehog
      People chose their place of residence on their own. At the time of moving there, they at least were approaching retirement age. People are inherent in making mistakes. And here at least they did not laugh at them for their awards. And the pensions of veterans are higher than regular labor.

      On May 1, in Odnaklassniki, a kid posted a photo of a pilot veteran who, in addition to military orders and medals, was jubilee, so much filth began to groan this worthy man for these anniversaries! Honestly - I wanted to strangle all this bastard! Squeeze the Adam's apple slowly, looking into the eyes, seeing these filthy little eyes fill up with dying fear ...
      A lot of trash divorced, ashamed and insulting for our old people!
      One pleases. that no fewer people were found who expressed their Gratitude and paid tribute to Respect for the people who shed blood for our country and those who helped them in this, with their work, often giving the last to the front soldier
      Honor and Glory to Our Old Men!
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 7 May 2013 14: 35 New
        0
        Quote: ZhuDkiyDrugg
        some kid posted a photo of a veteran pilot

        If the actions of the youngster can be justified by calling it stupidity, thoughtlessness, then the actions of the recently discussed artist, deputy chief editor of "Mk" and a number of other persons defy any justification.
        I have always said that it is not the school that primarily brings up children, but the family. What more people talk about in the family, the little ones absorb it like a sponge, not realizing what they hear. And then they carry it without comprehending. Parents are to blame. Anytime and anywhere. Well, not Stalin, Brezhnev or Putin and Medvedev.
    2. il grand casino
      il grand casino 7 May 2013 13: 57 New
      +1
      The choice is the choice, but Israel’s view on this issue is quite noble. They equate OUR veterans with theirs ... I don’t know if there is any other state that would do the same. Well, the fact that some of them ... laughed at, is enough of those around. Even with us.
  12. waisson
    waisson 7 May 2013 12: 40 New
    0
    and who is to blame themselves left for the promised land here, which is no but honor and respect remain. Nobody has canceled the pension housing benefits
  13. 120352
    120352 7 May 2013 13: 08 New
    10
    I am Russian, which I am proud of. This does not interfere, but it allows me to respect the Jews I have lived with and been friends with all my life. As far as I remember, Jews during the years of the Second World War proved themselves to be the best as warriors. Among them are many Heroes of our Motherland. In Israel, Victory Day is perceived as a national holiday. And it is right. The fact that the Jews began to recreate their statehood does not in any way deprive them of their merits to the world community in the Victory. I believe that the entire anti-Hitler coalition is responsible for their existence, WWII veterans, today. GLORY TO THE HEROES!
  14. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 7 May 2013 13: 18 New
    +4
    I think that we can point out and say Fu, ungrateful, to the Israeli authorities only when our veterans are in perfect order! Otherwise, our creature officials are trying their best to not give them what they deserve! They are probably waiting for the years to take their toll ... Like hyenas at the feet of an old lion ... I will never forget how, in Soviet times, for almost 30 years, my deceased mother was not recognized as a participant in the Second World War, using the argument: your unit was not in direct contact with the enemy! Well, yes .. . Parts of the air defense did not directly contact! They just shot from the ground at the planes that threw bombs at them. Remotely, like ... Yeah ..
  15. Pimply
    Pimply 7 May 2013 13: 26 New
    +6
    As I thought, a wonderful sabbath rose here. Now let's plunge into reality

    About the medals. There are only three of them in Israel. Medals are a colossal rarity, you can only get one for the entire war, and only for some exceptional one. They are not worn on civilian clothes. Therefore, veterans with medals are often perceived by both adult Native Israelis and children as not always adequately.

    About museums and monuments
    "Since 1977, 42 museums and rooms of military glory have been opened in the country, 48 monuments to the dead and to the glory of those living have been erected, about 300 books have been published about veterans and the veterans themselves."
    To date, the organization of the United Union of Veteran Warriors consists of 11 thousand people. 4 357 of them are combatants, 1 are refugees and home front workers. Their average age is 500 years.

    About pensions
    The State of Israel recognizes the participants in World War II who fought against the Nazis as Israeli soldiers. In accordance with this, every citizen of the country who proves that he fought against the Nazis in the ranks of one of the armies of the allied countries in the anti-Hitler coalition, in partisan detachments or organizations of ghetto fighters, has the right to receive the "Insignia of the fighter against the Nazis" and "Badge of the Warrior of the State ".
    The State of Israel recognizes the invalids of World War II - citizens who were injured in battles with the Nazis, people with disabilities in the Israeli wars.
    The Disabled Persons Act of 1954, with additions and amendments to it, regulates the rights to help and treat disabled war with the Nazis.

    http://www.disabled-veterans.org.il/services.php

    The World War II Veterans Act entered into force on June 1, 2000.

    1. According to the Law, the Control Commission has the right to recognize a person as a war veteran if he is an Israeli citizen and meets one of the following conditions:

    a) One who served from September 1, 1939 to September 2, 1945 in the army of one of the allied states.

    b) One who served from September 1, 1939 to September 2, 1945 in one of the units that fought underground against the Nazi regime.

    c) Those who defended the city of Leningrad and were in the city during its siege during the Second World War and received a certificate or official insignia from the leadership of the Soviet Union.

    3. The one whom the Control Commission recognized as a fighter against Nazism and its henchmen, according to the Law on the Memory of the Holocaust and Heroism - Yad Vashem of 1953, and who presents official confirmation to the authorities also is recognized as a World War II veteran and falls under The law on veterans of World War II.

    Next is a list of a number of benefits and supplements.

    Russian pensions (earned by them later, through blood, and many years of work) began to receive part of veterans relatively recently, before that they received only Israeli benefits and allowances for them.
    Yes, and try to recall how long ago really thought about the pensions of veterans in Russia.
  16. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 7 May 2013 13: 26 New
    +2
    The most disgusting human quality is hypocrisy.
  17. Vtel
    Vtel 7 May 2013 13: 39 New
    +2
    “They perceived him as a clown,” says daughter Matthew. - He no longer wants to go out with these medals, he is confused. They just do not understand what they are talking about. ”

    Russian Jews - it even sounds interesting, they are not even recognized by "their own" and it is understandable why, for "true Hasidim" do not tolerate Russians. Let them return to their roots, for where your soul is, there is your home, and the list is long to send those who do not love Russia by return flight. It's a pity for veterans, God grant them Health. Russians don't give up their own!
  18. alexander rus.
    alexander rus. 7 May 2013 14: 03 New
    -5
    [quote = РїСЂРѕС „ессор]



    You will take care of your veterans, in Israel they are all attached and have a roof over their heads and live on average 12 years longer than yours.

    So it is not surprising that your veterans live longer. Ours, on their own ADVANCED LAND, PROTECTED, and yours, for the most part, are all in the near and far rear in the "leading and directing" positions.
    1. Professor
      Professor 7 May 2013 14: 06 New
      +2
      Do you spread the list of Jews of Heroes of the Soviet Union and full Knights of the Orders of Glory?
      1. gagarinneon
        gagarinneon 7 May 2013 14: 18 New
        +1
        if possible please post
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 May 2013 14: 29 New
          +4
          1. We didn't switch to "you".
          2. List of Jews - Heroes of the Soviet Union
          Jews full cavaliers of the Order of Glory
          1. Blat Leonid Davydovich
          2. Bogorad Grigory Abramovich
          3. Burman Semyon Meerovich
          4. Gizis Nikolay Lazarevich
          5. Globe Lev Davidovich
          6. Zamansky Boris Naumovich
          7. Minkin Efim Lvovich
          8. Peller Vladimir Izrailevich
          9. Roth Eduard Nikolaevich
          10. Sidler David Mordkovich
          11. Shapiro Shmuel Ziskovich
          12. Shillinger Semyon Elyashevich

          PS
          My Answers - How the Jews Fought in Tashkent
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 7 May 2013 14: 28 New
        -3
        And the posts in the Red Army, in which they served, if not difficult of course ...
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 7 May 2013 14: 45 New
          0
          Посмотрите хотя бы википедию: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%B5%D0%B2%D
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          BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7%D0%B
          0. Believe me there are many military officers.
        2. Professor
          Professor 7 May 2013 14: 46 New
          +4
          The key to the apartment where the money is not to give?
          Follow the link and click on each surname, everything is indicated there.
          For example, the first on the list, Shetel Semenovich Abramov (November 11, 1918, Derbent, Dagestan Oblast, Soviet Russia - May 14, 2004, Moscow, Russia) - Hero of the Soviet Union (1945), lieutenant colonel (1995).

          Born on November 11, 1918 in the city of Derbent (now the Republic of Dagestan). Mountain Jew. He graduated from 10 classes of a school in the city of Makhachkala (Dagestan), in 1941 - 3 courses of the Geological Prospecting Department of the Grozny Oil Institute.
          In the army since July 1941. In December 1941 he graduated from the accelerated courses of the Grozny military infantry school.
          Member of the Great Patriotic War in May 1942 as a platoon commander in the 242nd Infantry Division. On May 23, 1942, in a battle on the Southwestern Front, he was seriously wounded and was treated at a hospital in Novocherkassk. After treatment, he was sent to the Stalingrad Front, where he fought as part of the 107th Infantry Regiment (76th Infantry Division) as commander of a platoon of intelligence officers. September 27, 1942 was wounded a second time, but returned to duty. After the third wound, he was again sent to the hospital for treatment.
          Since the summer of 1943 - the company commander of the 246th Guards Rifle Regiment (82nd Guards Rifle Division). In 1943, as part of the South-Western Front, he liberated the Donbass and Left-Bank Ukraine. As part of the troops of the 3rd Ukrainian Front, he participated in crossing the rivers Ingulets, Ingul and Southern Bug, liberated Odessa. In July-August 1944, on the 1st Belorussian Front, he participated in the seizure and expansion of the bridgehead on the left bank of the Vistula, liberated Warsaw and Lodz.
          He particularly distinguished himself in the battles during the liberation of the city of Poznan (Poland). February 19, 1945 after the failure of the battalion commander took command. During the assault on the Poznan citadel, its battalion destroyed up to 400 and captured a large number of enemy soldiers and officers.
          For courage and heroism shown in battles with the Nazi invaders, by decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated May 31, 1945, Captain Abramov Shetiel Semenovich was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the awarding of the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal (No. 6495).
          At the end of March 1945, the battalion under the command of S. S. Abramov stormed the Kyustrin fortress (now Kostrzyn nad Odrou), and then participated in the storming of Berlin. During the war he was wounded seven times.
          In July 1945 he was sent to study at the MV Frunze Military Academy. At the training ground of the Academy, he was seriously injured and could not continue military service. Since June 1946, Major Sh. S. Abramov has been in reserve.
          He returned to the city of Grozny, in 1949 he graduated from the Grozny Oil Institute. Until 1992, he worked at the Grozny Oil Institute, consistently holding the following positions: laboratory assistant, assistant, senior lecturer, assistant professor, head of the department of general geology, dean of the exploration department.
          He lived in the city of Grozny (Chechnya), since 1993 - in Moscow. He died on May 14, 2004. He was buried at the Domodedovo cemetery in Moscow.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 7 May 2013 14: 49 New
          +3
          To be honest, I did not expect from you as an officer

          http://topwar.ru/27572-pobezhdat-ne-chislom-a-umeniem-abramov-shetiel-semenovich
          .html

          Here, at least.

          My grandfather was in the Baltic, he fought on a torpedo bomber.

          Cousin grandfather - artillery.

          The second cousin is the infantry.
  19. Fitter65
    Fitter65 7 May 2013 14: 18 New
    +5
    Gentlemen, Russians are not indignant about how to relate to World War II veterans, not WWII, abroad you look at what is happening in Russia. In the Amur Region, a family of veterans was refused housing improvements, the reason two old men did not draw up paper during the time. A husband is a veteran and his wife both of them are disabled. It is no coincidence that someone found out about two old men, they started to make out an apartment for them. They didn’t punish anyone from the pi-do.racial officials. Although, according to the decree of the president, they had to draw up papers, and not two old disabled people. This just an example, last year’s truth, which came to my mind, and if I rummage ... Suyuka-bureaucrat sits and bends his fingers in front of the veteran, but if this reptile failed to refuse the veteran what he should be, they scream with all their code, WATCH how we are about We care for veterans !!! Therefore, let us first ensure a decent life for our veterans, and then we will tell others how to do it ...
  20. IRBIS
    IRBIS 7 May 2013 14: 22 New
    +2
    Double opinion. They seem to be fighting for the USSR. Then they abandoned their country, which they defended, for which they shed blood in sacks (in their opinion), and went where they beckoned. They themselves left. They probably also demanded to leave, using the status of a veteran. Now here are the complaints. It is necessary to decide "comrades", otherwise "eat the fish, and ... do not wash the pan."
    And so I think, but how would I look in my dress uniform as a marine officer somewhere on a street in Australia? And I come to the conclusion that it would be really funny for Aboriginal children ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 7 May 2013 21: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: IRBIS
      It seems that they fought for the USSR. Then they abandoned their country, which they defended, for which they shed blood in bags (in their opinion) and went to where they had beckoned.


      Sasha, what kind of fist? There is still no peace there. They went home, we don’t just understand it, we had it, but they didn’t have it and suddenly appeared, but thousands of Russians who fell behind a hill over a hill, yes, shame


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  22. Horn
    Horn 7 May 2013 14: 42 New
    0
    "They just don't understand what this is about."
    Of course they don't! The project on "cleaning the wheat from the chaff" under the code name "Holocaust" was not only successfully implemented, but also with a profit: it was possible to sell virtual 6,5 million corpses to Germany! Moreover, interest is still charged on successfully sold fellow tribesmen! And here is some veteran! moreover, come on, not Tashkent, but real ... One of those who interfered with such a successful gesheft of Aloizych with the Jewish bankers!
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 7 May 2013 14: 55 New
      +1
      Have you been to Germany? There on every street there are signs with the names of those who died in the end camps. More than half of the names are Jews ... there are photographs, names, things, apartments ... did the Germans invent everything themselves? For example, German old people remember when they were burning that there were a lot of Jews in their cities before the war ... where did they all go? Especially when you consider that leaving Germany was very difficult ... Oh, it seems to me that the German old people in this case did not have senility, and there were quite a few Jews in Germany alone ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 7 May 2013 14: 59 New
      +3
      They are virtual for people who have not read the materials of the Nuremberg trials.
  23. lobik
    lobik 7 May 2013 14: 54 New
    0
    You did not understand the meaning of the article. Those of the Jews who accepted, or were forced to accept martyrdom from the Nazis, were given twice as many benefits as those who fought with this fascism in arms and defeated. And according to the logic, the state of Israel itself is obliged their existence precisely to these people.
  24. Aristarch
    Aristarch 7 May 2013 14: 55 New
    0
    That's how they saved all these Jews as a nation from physical destruction, to be honest I think in vain.
  25. NIK 163
    NIK 163 7 May 2013 16: 04 New
    +1
    Our rulers regard veterans and retirees as waste material. As far as I remember, everyone promises to improve their lives. I don’t believe the government, they constantly throw people and don’t believe that I will live on it, so I invest in children. May God not throw.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 7 May 2013 16: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: NIK 163
      I remember how much I promise everyone

      So after all, how many apartments in my memory were given to veterans, and how many of these apartments were either rewritten is unknown to whom, how many were given to children, or even sold. And the latter was not so long ago, in modern years.
      And the hope of children is the surest. There is no one else to hope for. So it was, it is, it will always be so. As you educate, such is the answer.
    2. il grand casino
      il grand casino 7 May 2013 16: 15 New
      0
      One of the few sensible comments I read today. Children are the future ... if we educate them, then education, government and so on is not so important. They themselves will know what is good and what is bad. And then we always forever roll on the formation of the Providence barrel. Here, after work, my parents came to sit down and study. And they didn’t care that my math teacher could not add 2 plus 2.
  26. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 7 May 2013 17: 13 New
    +4
    You know, it doesn’t matter, a Jew, not a Jew, everyone who honestly fought against Hitler, I RESPECT and I think they deserve special attention in any country! They conquered the victory, and thanks to this, many of us were born into the world!
  27. Spike
    Spike 7 May 2013 22: 36 New
    -3
    Israel is a puppet state which was created by the West and it will be supported by a kind of outpost in Asia ...
  28. Stalinets
    Stalinets 9 May 2013 07: 08 New
    0
    Most likely, Zionists and WWII veterans are on opposite sides of the barricades. Israeli celebration of Victory Day, most likely PR. But veterans, they celebrate sincerely. You will not forget this. A Jew, not a Jew, everyone is equal in the trench. Like in the grave. Happy Victory Day, veterans and non-veterans !!!!! love soldier