What will happen if AvtoVAZ disappears?

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What will happen if AvtoVAZ disappears?


You can, but why?


Meet Oleg Grunenkov, AvtoVAZ's Product Director. A man with extensive experience and unquestionable management skills. He frequently speaks to the press, presents new Lada models, and has an expert understanding of Togliatti-based vehicles. He's also the author of the recent meme, "It's possible, but why?" This was Grunenkov's response to a blogger's question about whether a BMW 5-series equivalent could be built in Togliatti. The catchphrase immediately went viral and has practically become AvtoVAZ's new slogan. To be fair, Oleg Grunenkov should be corrected: the automaker's design team won't be able to create even a semblance of a German business sedan. Certainly not in a production version.




Oleg Grunenkov

Technologically, Togliatti's automakers are decades behind global leaders. Here's a short list of what AvtoVAZ can't produce independently. First, an automatic transmission. This is a crucial competitive advantage in the Russian market. Consumers have long been accustomed to the convenience of an automatic transmission and are willing to pay for it. But in Togliatti, they don't consider it necessary. Moreover, even a manual 6-speed transmission recently arrived on the AvtoVAZ assembly line from China. Creating a manual transmission doesn't require rocket science or international contractors. It's a purely mechanical component that's immune to sanctions—just go ahead and make it. But why bother when you can buy it from China? AvtoVAZ lacks the expertise in small-displacement turbocharged engines. This is largely why the Granta and Vesta never exceeded 122 hp.

When asked why a powerful engine never appeared under the hood of the Lada, Grunenkov replied:
"Are you willing to pay a higher excise tax if you have 40 more horsepower?"
According to Grunenkov, it will cost at least 100 rubles. Certainly, that's a significant figure. But it's not so insignificant when you look at the prices of modern cars from Tolyatti. The new 2026 Lada Vesta Sport, with its 1,8 EVO engine boosted to 147 hp, will cost at least 2,6 million rubles. There's no official price list yet, but everything points to that. The base Vesta costs a whopping 1,6 million rubles. The only amenities include air conditioning, while the safety features include a pair of airbags, ABS, and stability control. A basic family Largus will cost around the same amount, with the top end approaching two million.

Where do these prices come from? The Vesta, Granta, and Largus are well-established cars that, over their long life on the assembly line, have recouped all costs—both for tooling and for dies. The Largus is practically the same as the first-generation Renault Logan. But prices for these cars have still increased by 3-3,5 times since the beginning of 2022. There are two possible explanations. First, the auto giant is raising prices to develop a new car with a higher margin. Cheap, popular, and reliable. Just like they used to be. But so far, there are no signs of anything truly relevant being developed. Perhaps the Lada Azimut, but we'll have to wait for that one. AvtoVAZ is good at pushing deadlines to the limit. It's enough to recall the creaking sound of the Iskra compact car entering production.

But even if we assume that the several-fold price increase is funding for the development of new products, why are there so few of them? Over four years, a host of new cars could have been introduced for that kind of money. It didn't work out that way. They couldn't even fully restore the Vesta's trim level—climate control is still missing from the price lists. It seems like a small thing, but it's annoying. It's time to learn. Meanwhile, VAZ's finances are doing quite well.


Some recent statistics. Last year, the auto industry received 820 billion rubles from the state budget. In 2026, they're promising almost a trillion, 1,2 trillion the year after that, and 1,4 trillion rubles in 2028. The main recipient is AvtoVAZ, which can count on 900 billion rubles from the budget this year. Concerned individuals have already calculated that this amounts to approximately 1,6-1,7 million rubles for each car produced in Tolyatti. The state is essentially subsidizing new Ladas for Russians.

Simple calculations suggest that, under such a scenario, the cars should be given away free to everyone who wants them. Not everyone (otherwise the plant would be overwhelmed by demand), but only the very best, and with coupons. Brave new world, right? But AvtoVAZ management has decided otherwise, and the Granta, Vesta, and Niva are once again rising in price. It looks like some models will even further surpass the 2 million ruble mark.

The most interesting thing is that the state didn't just pluck the billions from thin air, but through recycling fees. It's not even funny anymore – the money was intended for some kind of recycling (which no one had heard of), but ended up in Tolyatti. Following the established logic, some consumers pay other consumers to buy a domestic car. If you import a car from abroad or buy an imported one from a dealer, you'd better pay a portion of the purchase to someone who wants an AvtoVAZ product. But the system doesn't work – cars from Tolyatti are obscenely expensive. They don't even make up jokes about it, because no one finds it funny.

And a few more statistics. Tolyatti knows how to manipulate numbers. Last year, the auto giant produced 324 cars, but sold more—351. Russians are so reluctant to buy Ladas that in 2025, they had to sell cars from the previous year. But that's not the main point. Despite all the recycling fees and subsidies, consumers continue to reject cars from Tolyatti—by the end of 2025, sales fell by 24,4%. AvtoVAZ is becoming less and less interesting and necessary for Russians.

Without AvtoVAZ


Let's conduct a hypothetical experiment. Imagine that AvtoVAZ suddenly disappeared from the map of the Samara region. The employees remained, but the plant simply vanished. What would happen next? The tragic result. At least 37 people would be left without work. Remember the multiplier effect—when one job at an auto plant provides employment for another 9-10 people in related industries. These include salespeople at dealerships, equipment manufacturers, drivers, and many, many others. In total, at least 400 people could be left without work. And not just in the Samara region, but throughout Russia. For example, anti-lock braking system components are manufactured in Kostroma at the Itelma plant.

A car built from scratch is like a prefabricated kit, with parts manufactured by the entire world. It's precisely this structure that the government doesn't want to destroy. We'll deal with this later, but for now, let's look at the benefits of eliminating the Togliatti plant. Firstly, such draconian, or rather, prohibitive, recycling duties won't make much sense. The plant that consumed the lion's share of the recycling fee is gone, meaning there's no need for it. That's if we follow rational logic. Prices for imported cars will inevitably fall, and consumers will have access to modern and safe vehicles. The safety level of the Granta series (compared to global standards) is a long and complex story. The narrative wouldn't be at all complimentary to AvtoVAZ.

Russia won't completely lift import duties on automobiles. There are several reasons for this. First, they're a natural source of budget revenue. Second, what about automakers that have invested heavily in localizing production in Russia and are producing modern cars? Take the Haval plant near Tula, for example. The cars they make aren't without their quirks, but they're quite attractive and, most importantly, in demand among Russians. These manufacturers should be protected from cheap imports.


Until recently, AvtoVAZ products were considered a kind of entry ticket into the automotive world. The idea was that the cheapest and most low-maintenance unit would allow Russians to experience personal mobility. But... story It shows that Russians are becoming less and less willing to touch a Lada every year. And if you're looking for a quality entry ticket, welcome to the bottomless Chinese auto market. Neighboring cars are selling for a million rubles that are a decade ahead of the best Ladas, in terms of comfort, performance, and safety.

Now let's talk about the hundreds of thousands of Russians who would be left without work if AvtoVAZ were to disappear. There are several solutions. Currently, the country is experiencing a serious labor shortage—unemployment is only 2-2,5%. Many companies are simply unable to expand production due to the shortage of workers. Let's remember that the state still has several hundred billion rubles in reserve, unspent on the needs of the auto plant. Why not use them for employment? For example, for renting and purchasing housing in regions where labor is scarce. Why isn't the average Russian willing to travel from central Russia or the North Caucasus to Omsk or Nizhny Tagil to work at defense industry plants? Because the housing shortage is a major hurdle. At best, employers are willing to pay rent. Not everyone agrees to this. Hence the limited labor migration in Russia.

And one more question. The average cost of developing a modern car from scratch is approximately one billion dollars. In 2026 alone, AvtoVAZ should earn 10-11 times that amount. And its plans only include the Lada Azimut crossover. And this is a very optimistic statement – ​​most likely, serial production will be unveiled at the very end of the year, and it will actually be available at dealerships by the summer or fall of 2027. AvtoVAZ followed a similar scenario with the Lada Iskra.

A seditious question: couldn't the subsidies (effectively non-refundable) be spent on developing a modern, affordable, and safe car instead of being given to Tolyatti? More than one: the recycling tax hasn't been abolished yet, and it brings in a fair amount of money. Make a car for the average Russian. And if possible, export it. There are production sites within Russia: there are plenty of defecting European and Asian brands. 900 billion rubles could hire a world-class development team. From friendly countries, of course. Design work and mastering car production wouldn't take long: eighteen months to two years. We'll live happily ever after, so to speak. But what are we talking about? The beauty of dreams is that they don't have to come true.
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  1. +24
    24 January 2026 04: 24
    to develop a modern, affordable and safe car

    Since 1983, they haven't been able to make a proper front-wheel drive transmission. A broken gearbox with a monstrous gap between first and second gears led to wear on the synchronizers and second gear clutches, and the situation remains the same.
    There's no point in even mentioning UAZ - it's a cursed place.
    There's neither the desire nor the expertise. They switched to fuel injection in 2002, when the rest of the world had already done so 10-15 years earlier. And creating a fuel injection isn't like building an engine and gearbox from scratch; it's much easier if you use an existing electronic control system.
    They couldn't even produce a passenger car diesel for the GAZelle; they installed a Chinese Cummins.
    1. +20
      24 January 2026 05: 36
      Quote from Arisaka
      They installed a Chinese Cummins
      Cummins is actually American. The Chinese one is a copy, and luckily, a licensed one.
      1. +11
        24 January 2026 05: 41
        I meant a licensed Chinese one, I expressed myself poorly.
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        2. +12
          25 January 2026 00: 07
          So, the author of the article suggests hiring competent specialists from abroad to develop and fine-tune the production line. This idea isn't just viable; China has been doing just that. Moreover, training young Chinese specialists has always been a key contractual requirement. Now, China can achieve the desired results using its own labor force.
          But with this approach, management won't be able to swindle their own people into lucrative positions, and a competent specialist from abroad won't train a wealthy slacker. We all know and remember why a general's son can't become a marshal...
          In-lawship in Russia is such a serious social affliction that it could lead to our eventual defeat...
          1. +7
            25 January 2026 01: 46
            So, we have "in-lawship" at the very top: friends from the judo club, from working in the KGB, etc. What's so strange about it being the same at the lower levels?
            1. -1
              25 January 2026 02: 36
              Quote: canelo
              So, we have "in-lawship" at the very top: friends from the judo club, from working in the KGB, etc. What's so strange about it being the same at the lower levels?

              On the one hand, this is normal practice, even in business. Sam Altman left and took half his team with him; there are many examples like this. They're proven people, dedicated to the cause and the "boss"—why not assemble a team from them? The other thing is, many on the team feel irreplaceable, and if a less-than-smart person (even though a professional) is in a high-ranking position, it's a disaster.
              1. +1
                25 January 2026 02: 47
                Be careful, lest you be accused of LGBT propaganda, Sam Altman is gay and officially married to a man.
                In business, if you don't show results for a year, you get fired along with those you brought in.
                There they won't wait for decades or years.
                1. +1
                  25 January 2026 02: 52
                  Be careful not to be accused of LGBT propaganda; Sam Altman is gay.

                  I've only heard of him as an AI developer, but I don't know who he is in real life and it's not very interesting. laughing
                2. -2
                  26 January 2026 10: 21
                  Quote: canelo
                  Be careful, lest you be accused of LGBT propaganda, Sam Altman is gay and officially married to a man.

                  I don't think it affects my ability to work in any way... and as for propaganda, you were the one talking about gays. laughing
                  1. 0
                    26 January 2026 18: 37
                    I just thought that the president wouldn't be very pleased to be compared to an openly gay man who is the subject of this propaganda.
            2. +4
              26 January 2026 14: 59
              That's right. The fish rots from the head down. It's just that those at the top don't need us to produce decent cars. It's more profitable for them to import – first from the US, then Europe, then China. Otherwise, how are we going to interest our "partners"? If it were necessary, they would have kicked us in the ass long ago and done everything. So, of course, they're keeping VAZ, but it doesn't give us anything.
          2. +9
            25 January 2026 03: 09
            Quote: alex-defensor
            So the author of the article suggests hiring competent specialists from abroad.

            *I'm sure this should have been done yesterday, and not just in the auto industry. Money should be spent on specialists, not plugging holes in AvtoVAZ. The Chinese have long since taken this path, looking to the Yankees for guidance, and are buying up specialists all over the world, from Boeing pilots to AI developers. Not long ago, news broke that China had allegedly bought a used photolithographic chip production line from the Dutch company ASML. Americans laughed out loud on Reddit, claiming they (the Chinese) would never launch it. But the Chinese turned out to be clever in this matter. They hired retired ASML workers for huge sums, providing them with full social benefits and housing. And the line started working, and now, who knows, the Chinese will soon copy theirs. Our politicians don't have brains like that; they don't think about such things, or simply don't want to; all the temporary workers are there.
          3. +1
            26 January 2026 10: 28
            In-lawship in Russia is such a serious social affliction that it could lead to our eventual defeat...

            drinks
          4. +8
            26 January 2026 13: 25
            That's how it was. There was Bo Anderson, and it was thanks to him that the Lada Vesta came into being. It wasn't without its faults, but it was a decent car. But he didn't let the local thugs steal—he made them work. Bo Anderson was fired. And so we have what we have.
      2. +1
        27 January 2026 12: 07
        The Chinese were the first to develop a 2,8-liter Cummins engine for the Euro 5 standard, and the Americans had to buy a license from them... But that's just a minor detail. If our people had been allowed to implement all their ideas and technical expertise in China, someone would have bald themselves with their own hands. And they wouldn't have been able to sit there and do nothing. The problem is that China could simply ban the import of imported equipment, while ours can't. But their market is much larger. That's why they pushed through licensing for the production of certain components, while ours can't. The only thing our people could do was get the Nokia plant in Russia to export 80% of its tires. They couldn't do the same with engines. But they could have essentially met all their needs at home – Chinese tires are inferior in quality. The point is that salespeople in Russia don't care about quality. The main thing is to jack up the price. When it comes to tires, no matter where I look, prices in specialized stores are 10-20% higher, sometimes even more. The same goes for places like Ozon—you won't find anything cheaper there. At least not for what I was looking for. And the delivery is completely unreliable.
    2. +51
      24 January 2026 05: 52
      Quote from Arisaka
      We switched to fuel injection in 2002, after the rest of the world had already done so 10-15 years ago. And creating a fuel injection isn't like building an engine from scratch.
      The injector was installed on the ASH-82 in 1943. So maybe the problem is that Stalin isn't on them?
      1. +7
        24 January 2026 06: 08
        The beauty of dreams is that they don't have to come true.
        The good thing about life is that it ends... fool
      2. +6
        24 January 2026 15: 12
        The era of great leaders is over; we should at least reach Brezhnev's level! It was under Leonid Ilyich that it became possible for a working man to buy a car, maybe even a Zaporozhets, but you could even get by in a Zhiguli! Bread became plentiful, and even shashlik began to be cooked en masse, even though meat was scarce. And contacts with the Americans were established.
        But some people weren't happy with the improvement in Russians' lives. They harassed Brezhnev, stuffed him with pills, and installed the Judas Mikhail Marked, aka Raikin! And so it went, went...
        1. +4
          25 January 2026 00: 19
          Our government simply cannot comprehend and understand the main question: why is it profitable for ALL countries that buy resources from Russia to produce practically everything and sell it back to Russia, while for Russian producers, having local resources in Russia, it is not profitable to produce, but it is PROFITABLE TO IMPORT EVERYTHING, BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER!!!
          Regarding VAZ, based on the author's assumption that 400 people are involved in car production, a simple conclusion suggests itself: THIS AUTO GIANT PRODUCES FEW CARS FOR ITS SIZE!!! Simple arithmetic: with an average salary of 100, for 400 people (meaning everyone in the industry involved in VAZ production) and a production of 1 million cars per year, the cost of one car comes to almost HALF A MILLION just for salaries. Add in materials and machinery and the costs of maintaining a gigantic production facility, and you get a HUGE cost. There are three options: first, the plant should produce 5 million cars; then there's a chance of getting a budget car. But that's not a realistic figure! Second, it needs to produce 1 million expensive cars, like Mercedes, then the margins would theoretically allow it to recoup the cost of production. A more realistic option, but also a fantasy. A third option: shut down VAZ, and begin producing current models at smaller facilities with reasonable operating costs! A perfectly viable option, most likely.
          1. +1
            27 January 2026 12: 21
            You're being too direct in your calculations of salaries and spare parts prices. Salaries of 100.000 rubles aren't available everywhere. And the production of many parts isn't designed to supply VAZ exclusively. Simply put, a single plant producing tires, batteries, or auto glass doesn't supply VAZ alone. You can cut back on the plant, just like they cut back on their clinics, kindergartens, and vocational schools where they trained factory workers—and what's the end result?! Do you even understand the point?! Or should I explain it to you?! Those idiots probably feed the workers themselves, and don't send everyone home for an hour to eat lunch, right?!
            1. 0
              27 January 2026 13: 05
              I think that suppliers of components, by and large, work for VAZ, because there are basically no other auto plants, and I have not heard of Russia supplying auto components for export; on the contrary, we import them, like everything else in general.
              There are two objectives: preserving the automotive industry and achieving economic viability for that industry. VAZ is the pillar that sustains the industry, so they're saving it, but it's gobbling up money like crazy!!! And most importantly, VAZ management isn't trying to make the plant profitable. That requires competing for the global market (with VAZ headquarters). Previously, they were essentially trying to lease the plant out to someone else. So that someone would make their own cars, and the bosses would get their money and not care about the auto industry. Now they're working to receive enormous subsidies, which, by the way, ALL Russians have to pay for, you understand?
              VAZ is a manufacturing complex capable of solving large-scale problems, but for now it's only solving one problem: eating up subsidies and not really working!
      3. 0
        24 January 2026 16: 29
        Why then didn't they install injectors on Soviet cars?
        1. +2
          26 January 2026 13: 35
          And these are the kind of nomenklatura idiots who sat on the decision-making committees.
          https://www.drive2.ru/b/1422037/?ysclid=mkv10z4w8l655906964 Это только пример Москвича. А сколько было разработано на ЗиЛе. Полюбопытствуйте по двигателю БД-1800.

          Some did go into production, but only for the military. Take the 5TD, for example, and compare it to the Spanish startup E-REX.
      4. +10
        24 January 2026 16: 42
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote from Arisaka
        We switched to fuel injection in 2002, after the rest of the world had already done so 10-15 years ago. And creating a fuel injection isn't like building an engine from scratch.
        The injector was installed on the ASH-82 in 1943. So maybe the problem is that Stalin isn't on them?

        You're absolutely right that Stalin isn't there. What else do they expect from foreign investors who don't need potential competition? Especially when the money is still flowing from the budget into private pockets?
        1. +3
          25 January 2026 02: 03
          To be fair, AvtoVAZ hasn't had any foreign investors since 22. And AvtoVAZ has certainly never been such a strong competitor that Renault-Nissan would buy out a stake in it and spend a ton of money deliberately trying to destroy it. Renault has stronger competitors than AvtoVAZ.
      5. +3
        24 January 2026 18: 15
        100%, there is no OWNER, just a crowd of shift workers, they came, made a buck, and then the grass didn't grow... That's how we live... 35 years under capitalism...
      6. +2
        25 January 2026 01: 59
        Stalin was rightfully considered one of Russia's most successful and outstanding rulers. But the country's success was based not only on his personal leadership qualities but also on widespread fear. I don't think the majority of the population would be in favor of prison sentences for being late for work or for picking vegetables after harvest.
        Moreover, it's important to consider that back then, the majority of the population sincerely believed in communist ideology and was willing to sacrifice their current consumption for the sake of a brighter future. This, incidentally, was largely due to the economic crisis in the US and Europe in the early 30s. Now, you won't be able to offer the population an ideology that includes Stalinist methods of governance and sacrifice for the sake of a brighter future.
        1. 0
          26 January 2026 10: 32
          * And now you will not be able to offer the population an ideology, an element of which will be Stalinist methods of management and sacrifice in the name of a bright future.* -- and in addition to this, labor migration (where it is required) in the form of forced labor camps for new industrialization. (Because they themselves will not go).

          It is unlikely that there will be anyone willing to *repeat* for the sake of a bright future.
    3. -18
      24 January 2026 07: 09
      There's no point in even mentioning UAZ - it's a cursed place.
      There is neither desire nor competence.


      Just think!!! Demand for all-terrain vehicles like the UAZ in our country is 50-60 a year!!! The meager sales volume doesn't allow for the launch of a new model in this class of vehicle, because the development and production costs wouldn't pay off!!!
      1. +16
        24 January 2026 07: 22
        Like a UAZ, yes, but not a UAZ! We had several UAZs in our department, of different years and models, and none of them inspired any excitement or confidence that they would make it. The quality was terrible. A day's driving, two repairs. Small things, but they were repairs.
        1. +7
          24 January 2026 09: 33
          Quote: A503
          Like a UAZ, yes, but not a UAZ! We had several UAZs in our department, of different years and models, and none of them inspired any excitement or confidence that they would make it. The quality was terrible. A day's driving, two repairs. Small things, but they were repairs.


          Well, I don’t know, I only have warm memories of the army UAZ 469, almost love.
          1. +3
            24 January 2026 19: 53
            So yes, after the ZIL 131, at the end of my service, they put me in a UAZ. It seemed to me then that this was the pinnacle of perfection, fast and smooth compared to the three-axle crocodile...
            1. +1
              26 January 2026 07: 42
              Lucky guy ))) Before demobilization, 257B1 kicked me in the ass )))
          2. 0
            29 January 2026 20: 49
            Fact: It was an excellent option for a command vehicle and chemical reconnaissance vehicle in the 80s.
        2. WFP
          0
          24 January 2026 11: 10
          Perhaps your unit's drivers were just clumsy? We had dozens of UAZs in our organization, and they all worked perfectly. Not a single trip was cancelled due to repairs.
          1. +6
            24 January 2026 12: 30
            Absolutely wrong opinion, the driver should not be involved in vehicle repairs under any circumstances, or train him for each model, teach him to read drawings, which by the way are still hard to find, in the USSR, during its closure, literature on each model was searched for at once along with drawings and dimensions, and the Ministry of Defense published thematic literature on repair and maintenance for all equipment, albeit under the heading "for official use", which provided for the study of the "insides" and methods of its professional treatment, and it is trained, competent specialists who should be engaged in repair and maintenance, well, and refresher courses for the driver's staff are mandatory, all this was spelled out in the RD in the entire chain of functioning of motor transport enterprises, even with one car, but then strange things began with the general direction of the declared state policy, every five years adopted programs to improve traffic safety, money is poured somewhere, reducing the engineering staff of technical inspectors of the State Traffic Safety Inspectorate and cleaning All sorts of inspections of these fleets and simply freezing them out, shifting all aspects of maintenance and repair, mixing everything into one heap, the car owner decides why he needs a certified mechanic for a couple of cars and also pay money, and the driver can handle it or I'll take it to a service station. That's how we get situations like this: in a multi-brand service station, they often dote on what's in there and how it should be in this unit, and they do it according to the rules, as everything seems to be, well, somehow, but this is not a unit repair using a serviceable and adjusted unit, and we get "it constantly breaks down" - a plus, or rather a huge minus, in the abolition of spare parts certification. In short, in this industry, everything is at the mercy of bureaucrats sitting on sinecures and making money off of our road safety, and the state allocates, divides, and scolds so that no one passes by, because it's the state's money, the taxpayers'... So the problem for UAZ, VAZ, and others is the government's unwillingness to impose order on the industry. They'll have to confront themselves and flog themselves, while we're already getting back on our feet, and it's only a matter of time... just deciding who gets it and how much. It's this small quality issue that leads us into such a mess; it's been 30 years since we've been able to find a way, and it's continuing to do so in all areas. And now, for another billion, we're going to the Council of Peace—easy, but not at home, where we need to keep council and peace.
            1. +9
              24 January 2026 14: 49
              Quote: nerovnayadoroga
              So the problem of UAZ, VAZ and others is the government’s unwillingness to establish state order in the industry.

              Even if the state wanted to, it wouldn't do it; the vertical power structure is such that it's easier to disband them and hire new ones than to force these ones to work.
              1. +8
                24 January 2026 22: 50
                The joke about a plumber who was jailed for saying "The whole system needs to be changed" in the Kremlin has been around since the Brezhnev era.
                1. +6
                  24 January 2026 23: 16
                  Who's to argue, our system wasn't exactly shining at the end of the stagnation. The other question is, things are even worse now.
                  1. +1
                    24 January 2026 23: 22
                    At the end of the Stagnation, there was Perestroika. Only the 90s were worse.
          2. +1
            24 January 2026 15: 28
            Yes, the UAZ-469 was the most reliable of the domestic cars. I've driven several, but there's no better UAZ for driving on Soviet roads! The Niva was also suitable...
            1. +2
              24 January 2026 22: 52
              You just haven't driven proper SUVs. After them, you'd avoid all those Bobiks and Bukhankas like the plague.
              1. -1
                25 January 2026 02: 48
                Quote from barbos
                You just haven't driven proper SUVs. After them, you'd avoid all those Bobiks and Bukhankas like the plague.

                Tell that to the Yakuts. They have the money for a Land Cruiser, but for some reason they prefer the UAZ-452.
                1. +4
                  26 January 2026 12: 23
                  The Japanese auto industry remains the clear leader among manufacturers, with Toyota accounting for 71% of the market.


                  The largest share of Toyota vehicles in the Far Eastern Federal District is in Yakutia.
                  The share of Toyota SUVs and crossovers in the republic is 29%.


                  According to Avito Auto data over the past 12 months, the platform's users in the Far East were most interested in the LADA Niva SUV segment. The Land Cruiser Prado came in second, and the Honda CR-V came in third. The Land Cruiser and Mitsubishi Pajero also made the top five most popular models.
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          3. +5
            24 January 2026 18: 18
            The UAZ was made by eye, I rolled around in the tundra under it... there was a wind outside and frost of about 40,
        3. +3
          24 January 2026 12: 18
          In the 90s, when they started selling cars, including UAZs from the warehouses of the Russian Armed Forces, both from the reserve and written-off (mostly), there was a queue, you couldn’t just get in.
        4. -2
          24 January 2026 19: 47
          Like a UAZ, yes, but not a UAZ! We had several UAZs in our department, of different years and models, and none of them inspired any excitement or confidence that they would make it. The quality was terrible! A day of driving, two repairs. Small things, but they were repairs.


          Do not write nonsense.
      2. +7
        24 January 2026 13: 02
        That's right! UAZ's niche is off-roading. And what's most interesting is that in places where you need to drive on this terrain every day, not just to show off for the camera, all those fancy gadgets magically disappear. The 'loaves' and 'goats' take over. Yes, it's precisely this line of cars that's so reviled, with that archaic suspension that's so uncomfortable on pavement, but so necessary where the pavement ends.
        1. +9
          24 January 2026 16: 33
          Toyota Land Cruiser 70s are making a breakthrough. The UAZ breaks down right at the dealership.
          1. +9
            24 January 2026 16: 36
            A friend of mine bought a Patriot and returned it under warranty after 7000 kilometers, the rear axle started leaking.
          2. +3
            24 January 2026 17: 24
            How old is a 70?) There's nothing fancy there either. And the idea that a Toyota never breaks down is a fairy tale for high school kids. The Nissan Patrol is also okay, but its engine's quirks will drive anyone crazy.
            1. +4
              26 January 2026 08: 32
              The 70 is still produced with modern systems, but with the same quality and durability. It's a very capable, reliable, and durable machine that has proven its quality worldwide for decades.
          3. +6
            24 January 2026 20: 00
            It doesn't break, but when we hired a couple of farm trucks for geological purposes about 10 years ago, we spent a week redoing everything, from the spacers between the body and frame to the springs, mirrors, and steering wheel. By the way, it's a good kit for handymen; you can replace almost everything with something more beautiful and high-quality...
          4. +8
            24 January 2026 20: 16
            Quote: cast iron
            The Toyota Land Cruiser 70 is heading for the breakthrough.

            It's a good car, I like it. But it breaks down easily, too, though it needs some mileage. And I still have to find spare parts. As for the UAZ, well, a little work on it with a file is fine.
            1. +3
              26 January 2026 08: 34
              A UAZ doesn't even need to be tuned up. It breaks down right away. The advice to file it down is only relevant for vehicles costing significantly less than 2 million rubles. The buyer shouldn't have to do any modifications.
              1. -2
                26 January 2026 20: 46
                Quote: cast iron
                The buyer does not have to do any modifications.

                So buy a Toyota and don't modify it.
                1. 0
                  26 January 2026 22: 13
                  The most important thing is that I won’t buy a UAZ until they either improve it to meet the price, or until they die from all their underproduction.
      3. +2
        26 January 2026 08: 37
        And if you add Toyotas, Mitsubishis, and other Nissans to UAZ SUVs, demand soars beyond 100 rubles. And the main requirements for such vehicles are reliability and repairability. Those willing to buy show-offs for insane amounts are, after all, a minority.
    4. +15
      24 January 2026 11: 54
      Quote from Arisaka
      Since 1983 they couldn't make a normal gearbox for front-wheel drive.
      In Russia, there are currently several companies developing and manufacturing gearboxes. But as the director of one of them (OOO KATE, which specializes in the development and production of original automatic transmissions, including 9-speed automatic transmissions for the Aurus line of vehicles) explained, automakers prefer to develop their own gearboxes. If there was a desire to solve the gearbox problem, it would be solved, but the desire to keep the money for themselves and build the gearbox with the factory's existing resources outweighs that.
      1. +1
        25 January 2026 02: 09
        AvtoVAZ uses Chinese automatic transmissions, not its own. Perhaps the Aurus transmissions were too expensive?
        1. +2
          25 January 2026 02: 57
          Quote: canelo
          AvtoVAZ uses Chinese automatic transmissions, not its own. Perhaps the Aurus transmissions were too expensive?
          There was a video about KATE LLC. The customer decides what kind of transmission they need, and the company, based on that specification, undertakes to create a transmission, whether a simple one with manual gear shifting or an automatic.
    5. 0
      24 January 2026 18: 08
      So an engineer probably gets paid a fortune. Who would put a simple, smart guy in there? So engineers... from the aspen trees. And now, simple guys don't even want to.
    6. +1
      26 January 2026 10: 26
      Since 1983 they couldn't make a normal gearbox for front-wheel drive.

      Torn package with a monstrous gap between 1st and 2nd gears

      These questions were defined for us by the Porsche company...
      and everyone, not only here but also in Europe, noted the rapid dynamics of our 08
    7. +1
      26 January 2026 13: 24
      I'll tell you honestly. Even the automatic transmission isn't a problem on the Vesta. There are plenty of videos online of Toyota's 6-speed automatic transmission being installed on a VAZ engine. Performance improves, fuel consumption decreases, and comfort is plentiful.
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    2. -18
      24 January 2026 06: 58
      There's demand for VAZ products, and that says it all. No tariffs will stop people. Moreover, Chinese cars are rising in price. Everyone wants to profit from this, from senior management to the last salesperson at the dealership.
      1. +17
        24 January 2026 08: 37
        There's demand for cars, but not specifically for Zhiguli.
        1. +4
          24 January 2026 09: 02
          A kopeck, a Zhiguli? No. A Vesta, a Travel, or even a Granta. Which is not surprising. Those who are richer, of course, won't buy these products.
          1. +1
            24 January 2026 12: 01
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            In Tolyatti, they know how to manipulate numbers. Last year, the auto giant produced 324 cars and sold more—351.

            There are cars parked near the factory. There are about 5 Ladas. Out of fifty.
            1. -3
              24 January 2026 13: 11
              So what? If the factory workers are making good money, then it's natural to buy something more expensive and better than the Granta. I drive a Chinese car myself. But I'm speaking from my own experience.
              1. 0
                26 January 2026 13: 39
                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                So what? If the factory workers are making good money, then it's only natural to buy something more expensive and better than the Granta.

                Can you even imagine such nonsense? In Germany, the car factories that produce cars drive the same brand they produce themselves. Why did you choose the Granta? There's the Vesta.
          2. +16
            24 January 2026 13: 54
            The "Granta" is essentially a rebadged "nine" from 1984. It's now insanely and hopelessly outdated in its qualities. Even India wouldn't understand this piece of crap.
            The "Travel" is an equally outdated TAZ creation from the late 80s. I won't even mention the classic "Niva." Its development ended 50 (fifty) years ago.
            The funniest thing is that this supposed support for "domestic manufacturers and suppliers" - if you were to take apart a Granta bolt by bolt, how much of it would actually be Chinese, and not just with re-labeled parts?
            1. +1
              24 January 2026 20: 15
              Quote: Jager
              If you were to disassemble the same "Granta" bolt by bolt, how much of it would actually be Chinese, and not just with re-glued tags?

              How much electronics does a Granta have? One ECU, airbags, and a handful of sensors.
              1. +3
                24 January 2026 21: 22
                How much electronics are there in the grant?
                Not only that. There's also a radio. It works with a phone via Bluetooth. No need to reflash the firmware. There's also ERA GLONASS, but when the navigation is disabled, the clock shows the wrong time—it seems to be linked to GNSS. Heated seats, mirrors, and air conditioning are all there. The only thing I'd really like to see added is a heated steering wheel. I use a Granta Cross wagon.
          3. +5
            24 January 2026 18: 52
            If tomorrow they sell some Opel instead of a Zhiguli for a reasonable price, AvtoVAZ will go down the drain in no time. The only thing that allows it to compete is the decades of pumping money into it. If you do the math, with the money they've been given, every family could have a free car.
          4. +2
            24 January 2026 23: 01
            Travel, and even Granta. Which is not surprising. Those who are richer, of course, won't buy these products.
            Even now, for 2 million, you can find a used foreign car that will beat a TAZ in almost all characteristics.
        2. +4
          24 January 2026 10: 16
          I drive the roads of Kuban every day. And I see plenty of domestic products from VAZ, alongside Korean and Chinese ones. Prove me wrong, there's no demand.
          1. +2
            24 January 2026 13: 57
            How old is this auto industry?
            1. +2
              24 January 2026 17: 50
              Generally, they're mostly more or less new models. Vestas, Grants, Larguses. There are a lot of Nivas, especially now after the snowfalls.
              Of course, there are oldies, classics, chisels, dozens... but, damn, they take new ones too. And lots of them.
              I am, in fact, a grant recipient myself. feel but I have a pre-sanction one.
            2. 0
              24 January 2026 21: 23
              How old is this auto industry?
              I bought a grant in May 25.
          2. +6
            25 January 2026 02: 12
            If the scrap collection is further increased, the demand for VAZs will be even greater.
      2. +8
        24 January 2026 10: 09
        I want to ask a question, but I don’t know who exactly:
        If, when purchasing, I undertake the responsibility of disposing of my car at my own expense at the end of its life, what will its cost be to me personally?
      3. +7
        24 January 2026 14: 47
        We simply have this approach: the president writes a decree to build a plant by such and such a date, 1000 aircraft, and so on.
        But it doesn't work that way. To make cars, you first need to learn how to make slippers, then clothes, then ball bearings, and then move on to cars and airplanes. Before learning higher mathematics, you need to master the multiplication tables.
        This is what the Chinese and Koreans did.
        We also need strong internal competition, multiple manufacturers. So there's no "we can, but why?"
      4. +2
        24 January 2026 16: 34
        What's the demand like? Production is expected to decline by 40% in 2025. It's a disaster. And rightfully so. I hope they close for good.
        1. -3
          24 January 2026 16: 37
          Let's buy everything abroad? Isn't that right? This has happened before... Let's destroy everything?
          1. +13
            24 January 2026 16: 38
            The hucksters and thieves from Tolyatti are picking my pockets. Let them shut up and go wherever they want.
          2. +4
            24 January 2026 16: 41
            Is it better to support it with your own money?
          3. +3
            24 January 2026 23: 05
            If a manufacturing facility hasn't been able to produce reliable, high-quality, and safe products for half a century, it needs more than just destruction. This represents incredible economic sabotage within the country.
          4. +3
            26 January 2026 11: 39
            *We'll buy everything abroad? Isn't that right? This has happened before... Let's destroy everything?*

            By the way, abroad...
            July 20 2025
            Don't spare your own! Why are Lada cars cheaper abroad than at home?
            Buyers of AvtoVAZ products, which is constantly raising prices, are surprised to learn that in neighboring Belarus and Kazakhstan, cars cost 20 or even 30 percent less than in Russia.
            https://newizv.ru/news/2025-07-20/svoih-ne-zhalet-pochemu-avtomobili-lada-deshevle-za-granitsey-chem-u-sebya-doma-437465?utm_source=ya.ru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ya.ru&utm_referrer=ya.ru

            p.s./ It would be better if it closed. This cannot be justified.
      5. +8
        24 January 2026 22: 05
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        There's demand for VAZ products, and that says it all. No tariffs will stop people. Moreover, Chinese cars are rising in price. Everyone wants to profit from this, from senior management to the last salesperson at the dealership.

        Exactly what... I mean, a steal. A JAC A5 Plus costs $8,3 in China, or about 640 rubles, while the same Moskvich 6 costs between 2.2 and 3.5 million rubles. Does anyone seriously think this money is earned?

        I won't even mention the Granta. The car is noticeably worse than the JAC A5, more than half of it is assembled from Chinese components (47% localization), and you all know the price.
      6. +9
        24 January 2026 22: 59
        There is demand for VAZ products, and that says it all.
        This doesn't say anything. The rise in price of foreign cars is understandable due to the rise in all sorts of duties and markups, but why TAZs cost so much despite the incredible financial investment is beyond the pale. The government should have invested so much money in microelectronics since the early 2000s. There's a huge multiplier effect and advanced technology there, which TAZs never had and never will have.
  3. +5
    24 January 2026 05: 26
    A year or two to design and launch a good model...
    Well, it's unlikely to happen that quickly unless we use ready-made options. And if we just start producing exact copies... Who's going to give them to us?
    This is not praise for VAZ, but skepticism about the quick transition to its excellent from at least some of its own, as proposed in the publication.
    1. +15
      24 January 2026 08: 04
      Who's going to give it to us? Let me remind you that the Tupolev design bureau copied the American bomber, right down to the junk in the cockpit. We shouldn't pay attention to what they're doing for us. We've been designated the "bad guys," so we have to live up to that.
      1. +1
        24 January 2026 23: 07
        After the Tupolev Design Bureau copied the American bomber, did it not produce anything new and relevant?
        1. +1
          26 January 2026 13: 53
          Quote from barbos
          After the Tupolev Design Bureau copied the American bomber, did it not produce anything new and relevant?

          It LEARNED from a copy. Reverse engineering provides a wealth of knowledge. It was precisely by understanding how to build such large aircraft that the USSR built the Tu-4. The People's Commissariat of Aviation understood that they were lagging behind in strategic bombers. They understood this before WWII. Even the most advanced long-range bomber, the Pe-8, was hopelessly inferior to the American B-17. And when the B-29 fell into their hands, it would have been a shame not to take advantage of it.
          1. +1
            8 February 2026 22: 47
            They didn't just learn from a copy. They were capable of designing supersonic passenger aircraft. Only now, unfortunately, there is no such thing.
    2. +14
      24 January 2026 11: 22
      "A year or two to design and launch a good model..." In the 90s, I read Arthur Hailey's book "Wheels" about a car company in the United States, in Detroit, and was blown away. Every year, a new car model was developed and released. Not a new grille like ours, but a completely new model. So that's possible. And not like ours, "it's possible, but why bother?" Incidentally, the book is very interesting; I recommend it.
      1. 0
        3 February 2026 14: 45
        I read a book and saw a fig. This didn't happen in the States. New models weren't released every year. What they now call a facelift, yes, every year. And the car's underpinnings, including engines and transmissions, haven't changed for decades.
    3. +13
      24 January 2026 12: 09
      Quote from Fangaro
      But if we just take it and start producing complete copies... Who will give them to us?

      The Italians gave up their Fiat. The Americans gave up their Volga-Cyber. I don't think buying a factory in China would be a problem. Chemezov went there and was impressed, saying we want one too. We could buy an engine plant and a transmission plant. But the government doesn't need it. It's happy with everything as is. The population pays the recycling fee, and the money goes to AvtoVAZ.
      1. +4
        24 January 2026 21: 26
        the money goes to AvtoVAZ

        It looks like the money is going to the right people, not AvtoVAZ.
      2. 0
        26 January 2026 08: 55
        Let me remind you that Sber wanted to buy Opel and the Germans in the mid-2000s. But they didn't sell it to us, the only argument being that they could sell it to anyone, just not the Russians.
        Car manufacturing is primarily a matter of competence, including (and not least of all, of component suppliers), and not the skill of copying through reverse engineering, as most of those present here think.
      3. +1
        26 January 2026 13: 57
        Quote: Panin (Michman)
        The population pays a recycling fee

        They're not paying, that's the whole point. The entire year 2025 was spent trying to straighten out the scrappage situation. You've forgotten how they feverishly plugged a loophole in the law by introducing scrappage for cars with 160 hp and more and electric cars with 80 hp and more. At the end of the year, the statistics showed the forecast was 1 billion higher. This year, they're expecting 2-3 billion and won't get it. People have no money. We're patching up our older cars. Even if they take it away, we'll just walk. The population has NO money, not to mention ANY.
  4. +4
    24 January 2026 05: 34
    Quote: Alexander Rasmukhambetov
    Everyone is happy with everything, I mean the top management, no one cares about anything.


    If everyone was happy with everything, Kalina wouldn't have been popularized by the first among the first with a personal drive. And he wouldn't have mentioned the Iskra.

    The fact that we weren't asked where to spend the trillions... We can't come to an agreement, so we're choosing someone to decide for us. In our interests. In their own way, as they understand our interests.
  5. +10
    24 January 2026 05: 34
    Is it possible not to give the subsidies (essentially non-refundable) to Tolyatti, but to spend them on the development of a modern, inexpensive and safe car?

    It is possible, but why?
    1. +17
      24 January 2026 06: 16
      As I understand it, the main problem isn't even the engineers. Rather, it's the components themselves, which are of terrible quality. If they were worth the price they're asking, it wouldn't be so bad.
      So it wouldn't be a shame at all if suppliers lost their permanent contracts. Or if they stopped producing defective products. Or if they went bankrupt. No big deal.
  6. +1
    24 January 2026 05: 41
    You can hire a team of world-class developers. From friendly countries, of course.
    And that, pardon me, is an oxymoron. What world-class level are North Korea or Iran? And China's level is no better than China's. Sooner or later, the Cold War will end, and with it the sanctions, and then there will be access to world-class standards, and the Chinese, with their products priced like German ones but of Chinese quality, will have to give way.
    1. +6
      24 January 2026 07: 33
      Quote: Nagan
      And in China the level is no more than Chinese.

      And in the US (since you're from there), it's nothing more than American. It's not up to you to make fun of the Chinese. Who needs an American car? Except Tesla. It stands apart here and seems like an exception to the general rule. Although the Chinese also outperformed it this year.
      In the United States, American cars aren't particularly popular, even among Americans themselves—they often prefer German, Japanese, and Korean brands. The Chinese auto industry surpasses the American one in volume: in 2025, China produced 34,531 million vehicles, while the US produced approximately 10,5-11 million units. China's exports exceeded 7 million units, while the US exported less than 2 million. And when comparing the prospects for the American and Chinese auto industries, the situation is even worse for the Americans.
      1. +12
        24 January 2026 07: 54
        Quote: Stas157
        Who needs an American car? Besides Tesla?

        The best-selling car in the States is the Ford 150, a full-size pickup truck. And you're all talking about Tesla...
        1. +2
          24 January 2026 08: 00
          Tesla has been the benchmark and best-selling electric vehicle until now. But the Chinese company BYD will surpass Tesla in global electric vehicle sales in 2025, becoming the world leader.
          1. +3
            24 January 2026 08: 03
            Quote: Stas157
            Tesla was the benchmark and best-selling electric vehicle. But the Chinese company BYD will surpass Tesla in global electric vehicle sales in 2025, becoming the world leader.

            A leader in quantity, but not in quality. I sometimes ride the Chinese commuter train...turning on the heated seats is a real pain.
            1. +2
              24 January 2026 08: 05
              Quote: Konnick
              I sometimes travel on a Chinese commuter train... turning on the seat heating is a real pain.

              The Chinese cars vary greatly in quality. You probably have an Evolute i-Joy?
              1. +1
                24 January 2026 08: 06
                Quote: Stas157
                Quote: Konnick
                I sometimes travel on a Chinese commuter train... turning on the seat heating is a real pain.

                The Chinese cars vary greatly in quality. You probably have an Evolute i-Joy?

                Raisen R7
                1. +1
                  24 January 2026 08: 10
                  Quote: Konnick
                  Raisen r7

                  You disappoint me about the Chinese. I was just about to check out a Chinese commuter train!
                  1. +8
                    24 January 2026 08: 12
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Quote: Konnick
                    Raisen r7

                    You disappoint me about the Chinese. I was just about to check out a Chinese commuter train!

                    It's just a shuttle to work, free parking, and a Niva for the soul
            2. +3
              25 January 2026 02: 19
              Only those manufacturers with no demand in other markets are officially entering Russia, to avoid sanctions. They are a priori inferior to the main Chinese automakers.
          2. 0
            24 January 2026 13: 59
            Who needs these electric trains?
            1. -1
              24 January 2026 14: 03
              Quote: Jager
              Who needs these electric trains?

              Taxi drivers. They save a lot if you charge your batteries at home! I have a friend who drives a taxi. He wants to take the commuter train. He calculated that he'll save 30-40 thousand rubles a month.
              1. +1
                24 January 2026 14: 05
                Well, well, taxi drivers especially need this. Almost everyone I know and from my club who bought commuter trains has gotten rid of them. They're now just toys for those who can afford their own fleet.
              2. +3
                24 January 2026 17: 54
                Quote: Stas157
                For taxi drivers

                If you have your own home with charging, then you can. If an electric car here cost $10, like in China, then it would be absolutely perfect.
                1. 0
                  26 January 2026 11: 57
                  *This is if you have your own home with charging, then you can.*

                  No need to complicate things. Every day I walk and see:
                  The apartment is on the third floor of a ten-story building. A cable runs to the first floor, and there's a panel on the wall. The commuter train stops nearby every evening. The owner arrived, connected the charger to the panel, and went home.

                  p/s/ this ten-story building is economy class housing.
            2. 0
              24 January 2026 23: 17
              We recently discussed this topic in detail. It's a perfect vehicle for villages, towns, and small cities. I'd go on a short trip and then charge it in my garage at the village electricity rate. In the city, where everything is crammed together, I'd have to schlep to a special charging station and then wait there to charge. Sort of.
              So I arrived, put it in the garage, put it on charge overnight and in the morning I can drive on full batteries.
      2. +7
        24 January 2026 08: 02
        Quote: Stas157
        In the United States, American cars are not particularly popular even among Americans themselves - they more often prefer German, Japanese and Korean brands.

        I'm from Russia, not the US, but you're not entirely right. Ford is the top seller in the US, Chevrolet is third, and German cars are all in the middle of the second ten, and collectively, they're noticeably smaller than Chevrolet. It seems like the Japanese sell the most cars overall, but 71% of Japanese cars sold in the US are actually made in North America. So, the vast majority of cars sold in the US are actually made in America.
        https://auto.vercity.ru/statistics/sales/north_america/2024/united_states/
        1. -7
          24 January 2026 08: 13
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          You are not quite right

          Well, show me a single person for whom an American car is the ultimate dream? There aren't any. The Germans and Japanese are the leaders here.
          1. +10
            24 January 2026 08: 18
            Quote: Stas157
            Well, show me a single person for whom an American car is the ultimate dream? There aren't any. The Germans and Japanese are the leaders here.

            The ultimate dream? It depends on what you're talking about. The ultimate dream is usually luxury cars, from W224 to Lambo. But speaking of facts—I gave you the statistics. Can I also ask for whom is Korean cars the ultimate dream? American ones are just normal, average cars for the most part. But that's what we're talking about, not "luxury" cars?
            1. -1
              24 January 2026 09: 26
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              American ones are just normal average cars for the most part.

              Normal. Judging by the comments, the Niva is also normal here.

              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              the limit of dreams is usually suites from w224 to Lambo..

              I never even dreamed of luxury apartments. Why would I need them?
              1. +10
                24 January 2026 09: 30
                Quote: Stas157
                I never even dreamed of luxury apartments. Why would I need them?

                You wrote about a "dream car," and I used a luxury car as an example. Of course, judging by my own experience, since for me, that term only applies to something unique with unique characteristics. Well, you can't really call a Kia a "dream car"? Although, personally, I don't really have a dream car; I don't really care about them.
                Quote: Stas157
                Normal. Judging by the comments, the Niva is also normal here.

                That's true... but somehow the Niva, even the Ford F-150 (the most popular SUV in the US), isn't quite on par...
                1. 0
                  24 January 2026 09: 37
                  What does the average Russian want in terms of a car? The same as the average American: BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Lexus... Mostly German, with a little bit of Japanese. That's just preference. The rest of the automotive world (manufacturers) look up to them (the Germans and Japanese). Isn't that right?
                  1. +3
                    24 January 2026 09: 40
                    Quote: Stas157
                    The same as the average American: BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Lexus...

                    Judging by the fact that German brands aren't even in the top ten best-selling brands, Americans disagree with you... and not because of the price, they're quite affordable for the average American, they just don't like them... the cult of German cars is well-developed in the former USSR...
                    Quote: Stas157
                    The rest of the automotive world looks up to them. Isn't that right?

                    Well, I can't say for sure - I'm not an expert... but I think the Germans no longer have the influence on the global auto industry that they had 20 years ago...
                    1. -1
                      24 January 2026 09: 43
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      Judging by the fact that German brands aren't even in the top ten best-selling brands, Americans disagree with you... and not because of the price.

                      Precisely because of the price. European cars are more expensive in the US than American ones. Here in Russia, AvtoVAZ knockoffs are also the best-selling cars. Nobody wants a Lada, but everyone buys one.
                      1. +4
                        24 January 2026 09: 51
                        Quote: Stas157
                        It's precisely because of the price. European cars are more expensive than American ones in the US.

                        Yes, they are more expensive, but not so much that few people can afford them. There are quite affordable cars, for example, an average car costs up to 40, while a BMW 3 Series costs 40-50. So, there is a price gap, but a small one. It's just that, like in Russia, driving a German car is considered super cool by the majority of the population. That's where we differ.
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Here in Russia, AvtoVAZ's knockoffs are also among our top sellers. Nobody wants a Lada, but everyone buys one.

                        There's no point in comparing here, we have no choice, no competition...
                      2. +1
                        24 January 2026 10: 02
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Yes, they are more expensive, but not so much that few people could afford them—they are quite affordable cars.

                        There are statistics on the different strata of American society, and they tell a lot.
                        Poor (most): prefer American brands.
                        Middle classLeaders: Toyota (Camry, Corolla), Honda (Civic, Accord, CR-V), sometimes Ford or Hyundai/Kia. American brands are in the minority.
                        Rich Americans: choose BMW (16% of high-income households), Mercedes, Lexus (RX is the luxury leader with 80k+ sales), Tesla, Audi.
                        European (BMW X5, Mercedes GLE) and Japanese luxury (Lexus NX/TX) - 39% choose luxury.

                        Americans prefer Japanese and Korean brands for everyday needs, American pickups for practicality, and European and premium brands for status.

                        And you claim that price doesn't matter. Of course it does!
                      3. +4
                        24 January 2026 10: 34
                        Quote: Stas157
                        And you claim that price doesn't matter. Of course it does!

                        Of course it does, and you wrote the rest correctly.. But I was talking about the lack of a "cult of Germans" like we have.. In the US, a German car is not an indicator of mega-coolness, and rich people don't drive exclusively German cars, as is customary here.. And I also said that even if there was a "cult of Germans," the average American could still afford a German car and they wouldn't be in the middle of the second ten in sales.. Since in Russia they love Germans - I'm not at all sure what else they love besides Germany and their neighbors, probably a legacy of the 90s, when all the "cool kids" drove BMWs and Mercedes, and a "boar" was the dream of the majority..
                      4. 0
                        9 February 2026 14: 56
                        ..."boar"...
                        For me it's a "hippopotamus" winked
                  2. 0
                    24 January 2026 23: 19
                    What does the average Russian want in terms of a car? The same as the average American: BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, Lexus...
                    Let's just speak for ourselves. Many people are quite open to Koreans and Americans.
                    1. 0
                      25 January 2026 00: 00
                      Lexus is a Toyota, a Japanese car. And the German cult is due to the fact that the euro is higher than the dollar and the yen, and while the car class is the same, European cars are more expensive, meaning they're more prestigious for wealthy Pinocchios.
                      1. 0
                        25 January 2026 00: 49
                        Not everyone embraces prestige and other Pinocchio-esque quirks. There are clubs across the country dedicated to Korean, American, and Japanese car enthusiasts. Practically the entire Far East is driven by slick Japanese cars, and they don't need your German cars.
                2. +1
                  26 January 2026 19: 33
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  about the "dream car"
                  I've had a "dream car" - a Volga M-21. I've had it since I was in kindergarten. I was even about to go buy one, and even made arrangements with a repair shop to restore it to factory condition and even better, but first COVID hit, and then the sanctions. So I'll have to keep driving my Volvo.
              2. -1
                26 January 2026 11: 00
                I never even dreamed of luxury apartments. Why would I need them?

                take a ride around the city...
                G63 in W213 body...
                while revving the engine, fart loudly across the entire street...
                take a ride on the M-11...
                and for every day - something simpler...
              3. +1
                26 January 2026 12: 02
                *Normal. Judging by the comments, the Niva is also normal here.*

                Everyone chooses for themselves: a woman, a religion, a road (c)
                Villagers buy Nivas to get around in the mud. They're fine with it.
          2. +4
            24 January 2026 10: 30
            Quote: Stas157
            Well, show me at least one person for whom an American car is the ultimate dream?

            There was a toast like this in the film of the same name, "Kidnapping, Caucasian Style":
            "I want to buy a house, but I can't. I can buy a goat, but I can't. So let's drink to our possibilities always matching our desires!"
            Are you talking about it? wink
            I have a Dodge Nitro turbodiesel. I've been driving it for 13 years now and I love it. It's never let me down. Pah, pah!
          3. +2
            24 January 2026 14: 02
            I'd love to buy a Lincoln. Or a Nautilus. Incidentally, Buicks are made and sell well in China, surprisingly.
      3. +1
        24 January 2026 09: 54
        The Chinese have surpassed us in volume, which isn't surprising, but not in quality. And the prices are no lower than Lada's. Screwdriver assembly is our lot. We'll have to wait until the kneading is over and nation states are restored in Europe. There was a time when Russians had a decent choice among "Russian" cars. So, no matter what we do, we end up with a tank. But it's a good one.
      4. +4
        24 January 2026 10: 33
        I haven't seen a single Chinese car on the road. In fact, I don't mean "at all." If they can't break into the market, it means they have problems either with quality or with regulatory compliance. And by the way, European cars, of which there are quite a few here, are somewhat different from their European counterparts and are assembled to special "American" specifications. A European car bought in Europe won't pass inspection here; they'll force you to bring it up to American standards, and that's so expensive that it's easier to buy one that already meets American standards here.
        And the fact that more cars are assembled in China—a significant portion of them are made in foreign companies' assembly plants using those companies' technologies. In that sense, yes, there are "Chinese" cars in America, but they're Chevrolets, designed by GM, and made using GM technology; the only Chinese there is the labor force.
        Incidentally, in Europe, American cars are considered prestigious and therefore expensive, not for the average person. They're also, on average, larger, guzzlers, and subject to exorbitant taxes. But those with a large enough yard to park a Jeep Grand Cherokee can afford the taxes on a 5+ liter V8.
      5. 0
        24 January 2026 23: 11
        Who needs an American car?
        There's a worldwide queue for Oshkosh products. wink wink
      6. -2
        26 January 2026 14: 01
        Quote: Stas157
        In the United States, American cars are not particularly popular even among Americans themselves - they more often prefer German, Japanese and Korean brands.

        YOU ARE TALKING SUCH NONSENSE AND ARE AFRAID OF SPILLING IT!
        Take a look at the top-selling American cars in Matrassia and you'll be surprised to find that the top two spots go to American cars: the Ford F-150 and the GM Chevy Silverado.
        1. 0
          27 January 2026 08: 07
          Quote: PROXOR
          Take a look at the top sales of Americans in Matrasiya and you will be surprised to find that the first two places are occupied by Americans.

          So the poor take it. The rich take it.
          They prefer Porsches. I provided a sample based on American social strata. See the comments.

          For those with only one brain, I'll explain further. What does this sample tell you? It tells you that if you don't need anything and have a lot of money, you'll never choose an American car! Wolomon?
          1. -1
            27 January 2026 10: 08
            Quote: Stas157
            For those with only one brain, I'll explain further. What does this sample tell you? It tells you that if you don't need anything and have a lot of money, you'll never choose an American car! Wolomon?


            Let me explain it to you with a twist. There's a common saying: when a cat has nothing better to do, he polishes Fabergé. Working people and even local executives prefer well-built, reliable, and low-maintenance cars with ample comfort. This applies to owners of multi-billion-dollar ranches and top management of oil and gas companies. But the main buyer isn't the elite who can afford a key fob like a fourth or fifth car (movie stars, show business stars, owners of multi-billion-dollar businesses), but rather the average middle class. And they vote with their dollars for a simple, reliable car that can handle a variety of occasions. Not every Porsche can boast an interior lined with thick, perfectly tanned cowhide, and nearly every other pickup truck sold in Texas is one. And we in Russia are also looking for a car that will meet 90% of all our needs in life, because for the most part, we can only afford one car per family. And while people in cities buy flimsy SUVs, in the regions people prefer something they can service and aren't afraid of what might happen to their CVT in deep snow or slush.
            1. 0
              27 January 2026 10: 11
              Quote: PROXOR
              Owners of multi-billion dollar ranches, top management of local oil and gas companies.

              More nonsense)) All our billionaires drive pickups and trucks!!
              1. 0
                27 January 2026 10: 15
                Quote: Stas157
                More nonsense)) All our billionaires drive pickups and trucks!!

                What does this have to do with our fat cats, who have stolen money but no brains? We're currently discussing the mattress market.
                1. -1
                  27 January 2026 10: 17
                  This applies to any rich person. I'll give you another selection just for you:
                  Quote: Stas157
                  There are statistics on the different strata of American society, and they tell a lot.
                  The poor (the majority): prefer American brands.
                  Middle class: Leaders: Toyota (Camry, Corolla), Honda (Civic, Accord, CR-V), sometimes Ford or Hyundai/Kia. American brands are in the minority.
                  Rich Americans: BMW (16% of high-income households), Mercedes, Lexus (RX is the luxury leader with 80k+ sales), Tesla, Audi are chosen.
                  European (BMW X5, Mercedes GLE) and Japanese luxury (Lexus NX/TX) - 39% choose luxury.
                  1. 0
                    27 January 2026 11: 04
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Once again, I will provide a selection especially for you:

                    And I’m trying to convey to you once again that there is such a concept as a target market.

                    Quote: Stas157
                    The poor (the majority): prefer American brands.

                    RZHUVGOLOSSINU!!!! What poor people? Are you really that good at math?
                    F
                    As of 2024, the price of the Ford F-150 in the US depends on the trim level:
                    cars.usnews.com
                    The base XL model costs approximately $37,075–$49,700. It includes a 12-inch digital instrument cluster, wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, and driver assistance features (blind-spot monitoring, lane-keeping assist).
                    The STX trim level starts at $45,895. It's based on the XL model and features 20-inch wheels and carpeted floors.
                    The XLT trim has a base price of $47,620. The XL trim adds 18-inch wheels, dual-zone automatic climate control, a power-adjustable driver's seat, carpeting, and a surround-view camera system.
                    The Lariat trim level starts at $64,995 and features 20-inch wheels, leather upholstery, heated and ventilated front seats, and LED interior lighting.
                    The Tremor model starts at $63,950 and features all-wheel drive, skid plates, selectable off-road driving modes, a locking rear differential, and an off-road-focused suspension.
                    The Raptor R model starts at $109,555 and features a 720-horsepower engine and 37-inch tires.

                    cars.usnews.com
                    Prices may vary depending on the seller and terms of sale (e.g. availability of discounts).
                    Toyota RAV-4
                    As of 2026, the base price of the Toyota RAV-4 in the US ranges from $31,900 to $43,300. Pricing varies by trim level:
                    iseecars.com
                    LE — from $29,987;
                    AWD LE — from $31,303;
                    AWD Limited — from $40,703;
                    SE — from $32,619;
                    AWD SE — from $33,935;
                    AWD Woodland - from $37,507;
                    XLE Premium - from $33,935;
                    AWD XLE Premium - from $35,251;
                    AWD XSE — from $38,823.
                    In other words, by this logic, they are poor because they bought a Ford F-150.
                    When you spout your nonsense, take the trouble to google at least a little.
                    So your theory is bursting at the seams in terms of numbers. If we believe you, there are twice as many poor people in the mattresses as there are middle class people.
                    1. -1
                      27 January 2026 11: 09
                      Quote: PROXOR
                      So your version is falling apart at the seams.

                      That's not my theory. Those are American statistics. And you, despite your flawed position, are desperately trying to make something up.
    2. +3
      24 January 2026 10: 02
      Quote: Nagan
      You can hire a team of world-class developers. From friendly countries, of course.
      And that, pardon me, is an oxymoron. What world-class level are North Korea or Iran? And China's level is no better than China's. Sooner or later, the Cold War will end, and with it the sanctions, and then there will be access to world-class standards, and the Chinese, with their products priced like German ones but of Chinese quality, will have to give way.

      I wouldn't be so optimistic about the return of famous manufacturers to Russia. You've seen the prices of the Chinese, and they will be even more expensive, so I don't think they will be successful. Our people haven't gotten particularly rich.
      1. +3
        24 January 2026 10: 11
        Quote from ARIONkrsk
        Have you seen the prices for Chinese goods?
        I haven't seen them, I've only read about them, and somehow the numbers didn't stick in my head, since I'm not personally interested in them for obvious reasons.
        Quote from ARIONkrsk
        and those will be even more expensive
        Not necessarily. If they set prices at the level of Chinese ones, or even lower at first, to capture market share, the Chinese will be forced to either drastically reduce prices to attract buyers, or exit the market.
        Quote from ARIONkrsk
        I don't think they'll be successful; our people haven't gotten particularly rich.
        As Ostap Bender said, "If there are banknotes in circulation in a country, then there must be people who have a lot of them." And they won't buy China if an alternative appears.
        1. +9
          24 January 2026 10: 33
          It's not the Chinese who set such prices in Russia. request...if it costs 1.5 million rubles in China in our terms, then upon crossing customs the price is already 3.5-4.5 million... the scrap tax is in effect...
    3. +2
      24 January 2026 15: 10
      What do you mean by "first-class level"? China has become the world's largest automobile exporter, demonstrating rapid growth in Europe, Australia, South America, and Southeast Asia. For example, in Israel, Chinese cars have become the best-selling. Because of this, the United States is currently hesitant to open its market to Chinese cars, and the Chinese cars that Russia can buy are merely inferior products.
      1. +3
        24 January 2026 18: 29
        Quote: NNN_OOO
        China has become the world's largest automobile exporter, demonstrating rapid growth in Europe, Australia, South America, and Southeast Asia. For example, in Israel, Chinese cars have become the best-selling. Because of this, the United States is currently hesitant to open its market to Chinese cars, and the Chinese cars that Russia can buy are merely inferior products.

        You're being a bit hasty. Chinese manufacturers do sell the most cars in the world, but there's a catch. 90% of their car sales go to China, and half of their exports go to Russia, followed by Brazil, the UAE, and other countries. And when they do export, it's mostly Chinese electric cars; Chinese cars are still rare in the EU and the US, and almost all of them are electric cars. The outlook is bright, but it's still too early to sing an ode to the Chinese auto industry taking over the world.
    4. 0
      24 January 2026 17: 59
      Yes, yes, China has Chinese standards. So why are European automakers sounding the alarm about Chinese cars PUSHING them out of the civilian car market? Or have Europeans suddenly decided to switch from good cars to crap? No, China has long been producing good cars, comparable in quality to European, Korean, or American automakers. And often beats them on price. There are CLASSES of cars that aren't produced in China, or are currently of lower quality. These include sports cars, hypercars, and trucks. Sports cars and hypercars are cool, but they're not essential for the country's economic and industrial development. They're working on trucks and trucks. But they've done a good job in the mass-market segment for the general public or private owners (like company cars for taxis, couriers, stores, etc.)!!!
      1. +4
        24 January 2026 18: 32
        Quote: Mustachioed Kok
        Why then are EUROPEAN automakers sounding the alarm about the fact that CHINESE cars are PUSHING them out of their civilian car market?

        The share of Chinese passenger cars in the European Union market by the end of 2025 exceeded 6% of new car sales. You'll agree that it's too early to talk about outright displacement (especially considering the vast majority of sales are electric cars). And the fact that manufacturers don't mind the introduction of tariffs is a fact... Outside of China and Russia, there are nowhere near as many "Chinese" cars on the roads—don't exaggerate.
    5. -1
      26 January 2026 13: 58
      Quote: Nagan
      and with it sanctions

      You're naive. They'll never lift the sanctions.
  7. +9
    24 January 2026 05: 43
    900 billion rubles could buy a team of world-class developers, from friendly countries, of course.
    Or even from unfriendly countries. Many will go for a good salary. Remember the Soviet Union during the industrialization era. Who didn't we have here?
  8. +11
    24 January 2026 06: 17
    With a 22% VAT, we'll soon have nothing left. A Russian private sector company is incapable of producing a Russian-made Trabant, and Putin only drove a Lada Kalina for PR, preferring to drive an Aurus... And in the State Duma, the Federation Council, the Prosecutor General's Office, the courts, and all sorts of other working-class organizations, they prefer cars with foreign names...
    If this AVTOVAZ dies (under the bourgeoisie), you won't be able to feed it with bread... Yes
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  9. +20
    24 January 2026 06: 46
    The author of the post blurted out a stupid thought, and the commentators unanimously supported it... Your own swashbuckler is closer to home. I'd like to ask the critics... who among you works at a company that produces world-class products?... No need for blah blah if your own faces are crooked. Every industry in our country is on par with the auto industry or worse.
    Russia's problem isn't technological backwardness, but its governance. The highest government positions aren't occupied by top-notch professionals, but by people convenient for the Politburo—not top-notch techies, and sometimes even close relatives of those in power. A top-notch techie is always an independent individual with their own distinctive opinion. Remember Korolev...he's a rare commodity. And finding such people is precisely the responsibility of the country's leader and his entourage, because the development of the country's domestic and foreign policy directly depends on the success of technical geniuses. So far, it seems we're not in danger of that.
    What the author of the article suggests is... a return to the original sources, to the country of the gas station... to Ivanushka the Fool on the stove, who will find Chinese and European dumplings pouring into his mouth after the sanctions are lifted.
    About moving to a new job...the author used to work shifts. After my 20 years of shift work, I missed out on a lot at my primary place of residence and almost lost my family.
    About moving permanently. I'd like to see Muscovites, Leningraders, Nizhny Novgorodians, and the like voluntarily moving en masse with their families to Siberia or the Far East for work. Laughter...curtain.
    1. -5
      24 January 2026 07: 55
      Quote from moneron
      Which of you works at a company that produces world-class products?

      Well, let's not beat around the bush, the defense industry has world-class products, and the people who work there (if they live that long) don't just sit around on the website.
      Are the rest of your thoughts correct?
      Quote from moneron
      About permanent relocation. I'd like to see Muscovites, Leningraders, Nizhny Novgorodians, and the like voluntarily moving en masse with their families to Siberia or the Far East for work. Laughter... Curtain.

      Quote from moneron
      Russia's problem isn't technological backwardness, but rather its governance. The highest government positions are occupied not by top-notch professionals, but by people convenient for the Politburo—so-called top-notch techies, and even close relatives of those in power.

    2. -5
      24 January 2026 14: 48
      What's funny?
      It's all possible! And the relocation of Muscovites and residents of Pierz to Siberia is also possible. But! The relocation conditions need to be good. Provide a salary level of 200+ in the destination country.
      Yeah, do it like the ad on SVO now - they're supposedly paying millions. And it's the same here - when you move, you get a sack of money and work for twelve years.
      Although migrant workers will move there faster than Russian citizens living in the European part of the Russian Federation.
      1. +2
        24 January 2026 18: 05
        Quote: Evgesha
        And the relocation of Muscovites and residents of Pier to Siberia is also a possibility. But! The conditions for relocation need to be favorable.

        I spent a week on a business trip to Shchuchye in the Urals. The dorm was behind a fence and barbed wire. Obtaining all sorts of permits like passes took 20% of the time, and another 20% was waiting for the escort to deign to escort me. In the last few days of living in the dorm, I broke out in sores. Upon returning from the trip, I told management not to sign contracts with such clients. Looking at those who were briefed with me about fines equal to one and a half times their monthly salary, you realize that their families will only have children with their wives' lovers.
      2. +4
        24 January 2026 18: 34
        Quote: Evgesha
        And the relocation of Muscovites and residents of Pier to Siberia is also real.

        Are you kidding? Most people can earn more on shifts than in Moscow, but you don't see many Muscovites on shifts.
    3. +3
      24 January 2026 17: 35
      Quote from moneron
      Which of you works at a company that produces world-class products?
      And who works at companies with such a level of government support? Why, for example, are the remaining light industry companies forced to compete with China without support, while AvtoVAZ enjoys such fantastic conditions and such support? Let's just shut down imports for everyone!
  10. -31
    24 January 2026 07: 06
    A few recent statistics. Last year, the auto industry received 820 billion rubles from the state budget. In 2026, they're promising almost a trillion, then 1,2 trillion the year after that, and 1,4 trillion rubles in 2028.


    Author, where did you get these numbers? This article is complete nonsense.

    The country needs VAZ. The plant's management is doing everything right, producing cars that are in mass demand. And today, VAZ produces modern B-segment cars that are in no way inferior to their competitors.
    1. +16
      24 January 2026 07: 20
      To prevent VAZ from going bankrupt, people have to pay recycling fees of several million. As for modern cars, compare the basic trim levels of Chinese and VAZ vehicles and their prices. Consider the price of the Chinese car before import, and decide for yourself which car you would choose. VAZ is only supported by political decisions, because the demise of the auto giant would be very difficult to explain.
      1. +9
        24 January 2026 10: 22
        Development lies in competition. If a company lobbies for the elimination of competition, benefits, and preferences for itself, thereby increasing market prices and improving conditions for itself rather than for its customers, then such a company is hindering the development of its industry. The typical response, "We can, but why?", accurately characterizes the situation. The destruction of such a company, which has become a drag on the development of the automotive market and a "black hole" absorbing any funding, subsidies, and taxpayer money, can only be a benefit to the country.
      2. ANB
        -7
        24 January 2026 12: 05
        Which car would you choose?

        Korean, Russian assembly.
        If I had to choose between a VAZ and a Chinese engine, I'd go with the VAZ. The metal is better, the wires are thicker, and there's less electronics. It breaks less often and is easier to fix.
        The Chinese are really weak.
        1. +9
          24 January 2026 14: 11
          Since you're having trouble using the search function, I can tell you that on the official Haval website, the Haval H6L is listed at 117900 yuan, or 1,281,573 rubles. The VAZ Granta Cross is listed at 1,196,000 rubles. The Haval is a midsize crossover, while the Granta is a station wagon. Compare the trim levels and you'll see how deep VAZ is, and yet we're being forced to pay for this decline out of our own pockets. Visit the official VAZ website and immerse yourself in our brilliant present and luxurious model lineup. And if you prefer simplicity and reliability, consider riding a bicycle.
          1. ANB
            +1
            24 January 2026 16: 24
            On the official Haval website, the price of the Haval H6L is 117900 yuan or 1,281,573 rubles.

            And how much does it cost in Russia? We're talking about choosing for Russian buyer. And what can you buy for 1,196,000 rubles in China? of Russia and how long will it take you to drag this to the dump?
            I have a Grand Santa Fe, it's not exactly new anymore, and I have nothing to replace it with. There are no Russian ones like it, and I'm afraid to buy a Chinese one. It's easier to fix it and drive the old one.
            1. +2
              24 January 2026 16: 25
              I'm talking about comparing the configuration for the same money, I'm not going to buy a Chinese one, I've had a Japanese one for 13 years, apparently my last car, despite the cost of spare parts and repairs (the last chassis repair was over 100k).
              1. ANB
                +2
                24 January 2026 16: 33
                I'm talking about comparing the configurations for the same price.

                1. Is it really a vegetable with a cool set if after 3 years everything starts to fall apart?
                This is according to reviews from friends who work at auto repair shops. I've even used a car sharing service several times, and half the electronics have died, leaving the whole car completely useless.
                2. You need to compare them within the same market. I'd choose a used Japanese car for Japan if I didn't have to pay duties. The quality and features are definitely better than the Chinese ones. Plus, they'll last at least 10 years without any problems. That's why everyone in the Far East drove Japanese cars (and probably still does), and they never needed VAZs.
                1. 0
                  24 January 2026 16: 40
                  I chose a Japanese car, and I showed you the differences between the VAZ and Chinese models, all at the same price and comparable quality. The result didn't favor the VAZ.
                  1. ANB
                    0
                    24 January 2026 16: 44
                    at the same price and comparable quality

                    Are the prices the same in Russia???
                    The quality is definitely incomparable. VAZs have never been known for their quality, but they don't fall apart so quickly.
                    1. +1
                      24 January 2026 16: 47
                      They fall apart the same way, only the Chinese ones have more extensive equipment. The example I cited on the AvtoVAZ website doesn't even have a passenger airbag, and to keep this piece of crap afloat, they're raising customs duties, while AvtoVAZ management doesn't care about quality.
          2. 0
            26 January 2026 12: 16
            *And if you like simplicity and reliability, switch to a bicycle.*

            Bad example. As the owner of a *Stealth Navigator 300*, I can confirm this.
            In addition, in any city there are bicycle mechanics and bicycle repair shops that can repair these reliable and simple bicycles from a wide variety of manufacturers.
      3. -7
        24 January 2026 19: 51
        To prevent VAZ from going bankrupt, people must pay recycling fees of several million. 


        Once again, for the gifted. VAZ was in business even before the recycling tax, and its sales accounted for over 20% of the market; it was always the sales leader in Russia!!!

        And the recycling fee was introduced so that the Chinese would build factories in Russia and make cars here, create jobs and pay taxes, and not just sell their cars here.

        I'm more than sure that you don't create European-quality goods yourselves, but if tomorrow a migrant starts to deprive you of your job, you'll whine and demand protection from the state, rather than run to do your job better.
        1. +1
          24 January 2026 21: 30
          Just think about who will build what factories. Our market isn't so big that they'll need to relocate the entire production cycle; at most, they'll relocate screwdriver assembly, but that's already happening and doesn't significantly impact prices given our interest rates on loans and VAT. It's more profitable for the Chinese to produce everything domestically, and what they buy in Russia is such a small percentage of their output that no one will bother.
    2. +4
      24 January 2026 07: 57
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Author, where did you get these numbers? This article is complete nonsense.

      Have you been banned from Yandex or Google?
      Perhaps they were referring to the plans for state support for the Russian auto industry, which are indicated in the draft federal budget for the next three years.
      According to this document, 966,4 billion rubles are planned to be allocated to compensate for production costs in 2026. In 2027, this amount is expected to increase to 1,2 trillion rubles, and in 2028, to 1,4 trillion rubles.
      The funds will be used to compensate costs for wheeled vehicle and trailer manufacturers, support leasing programs, provide discounts on advance payments, purchase gas-powered vehicles, and other purposes.
      1. -3
        24 January 2026 19: 45
        Well, that's the point, we're talking about the entire industry, and the author, either out of stupidity or intentionally, writes that it will all go to VAZ; someone even calculated how much for each car.

        Besides VAZ, there are other automakers in the country—Kamaz, Gaz, UAZ, PAZ, Moskvich, Haval—as well as factories producing vehicle components. Trucks and buses require leasing programs, and trailers are also made for trucks and special equipment.
    3. +1
      24 January 2026 11: 54
      Are you stoned? You're talking about quality!
    4. -2
      24 January 2026 12: 06
      Someone wrote something funny: people don't want to buy Grants, but they do. If they didn't want to, they wouldn't buy them. Do you do a lot of things that you don't want to do?
      1. +1
        24 January 2026 15: 30
        They're forcing me. I'd gladly buy a Chinese one for a million and a half. But who's going to sell it to me?
    5. -1
      24 January 2026 16: 40
      Good trolling! Quality! Need a snack. wink
    6. -1
      24 January 2026 21: 38
      And today VAZ produces modern B-class cars that are in no way inferior to their analogues.
      Now, if you eliminate the transmission whine in 2nd and 3rd gear, everything will be completely fine. They seem to be redesigning the transmission, but the whine remains. Why they didn't whine in the VAZ 2107 is unclear.
  11. +15
    24 January 2026 07: 08
    If the VAZ plant is closed, nothing will happen. For example, ZiL was closed and razed to the ground, and what happened? Nothing. And how many other plants have been closed? In our city, the Combine Plant, the Shipyard, Sibtyazhmash, the Semi-Trailer Plant, the Low-Voltage Equipment Plant, the Tire Plant, the Medicines Plant, and the Excavator Plant have all closed. That's hundreds of thousands, if not more, of direct factory employees alone. And as the author writes, they provided for 9-10 jobs in related industries. And yet, these were products in demand then, and even more so now, and were exported.
    We live in capitalism now, and if we act according to the laws of capitalism and don't spend public money, we'll have to bankrupt the plant. And put it up for sale, even for a ruble. Anyone who can establish decent production of good cars, even foreigners, will be given the choice. If no one buys it, that means building another shopping mall or residential complex. In principle, those new auto plants will be able to replace AvtoVAZ, and the market will be cleared of junk. hi
    1. +9
      24 January 2026 08: 07
      Quote: V.
      If the VAZ plant is closed, nothing will happen.

      I'll add. If they close, it will certainly happen, but it won't be as catastrophic. You've already described the factories, but as for the hundreds of thousands of subcontractors and their employees... well... in Granta, localization is 45%, meaning most of the spare parts are not from Russia, but from China, so the subcontractors from China will suffer the most.
      https://www.ixbt.com/news/2025/05/13/lada-granta-45-7-lada-90.html
      And many of the subcontractors are focused on more than just AvtoVAZ and don't just produce that product. Plus, even if the plant closes, demand for spare parts will remain stable for many years to come, so there won't be hundreds of thousands of unemployed.
      1. -1
        24 January 2026 08: 30
        Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        If we close it, of course it will happen, but it won't be as catastrophic.

        28 thousand AvtoVAZ workers + their families, children will be left without a livelihood... On a global scale - is this "not so catastrophic"...?

        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Most of the spare parts are not from Russia, but from China,

        Compare Central Bank interest rates in China and Russia. Where will spare parts be cheaper?
        If we had a 0% loan for AvtoVAZ, it would have made it possible, at the same prices, to significantly improve the quality of the cars.

        ps
        Medvedev's United Russia Duma would have no problem removing Article 75 from the Constitution, but they're perfectly happy with it and couldn't care less that the Central Bank's interest rate is destroying all production in the country (including AvtoVAZ), condemning us to starvation.
        1. +4
          24 January 2026 09: 37
          Quote: Boris55
          28 thousand AvtoVAZ workers + their families, children will be left without a livelihood... On a global scale - is this "not so catastrophic"...?

          Boris, you like to write about global things, so yes, nothing catastrophic will happen for the country from this, just as nothing happened from the closure of dozens of other similar factories. The fact that 28000 people will find themselves without work is, of course, bad, but I think competent specialists will find work and no one will die of hunger. At the same time, if you consider how much money was invested in employing these people, you could have built a couple of factories by now and not only would they have enough work, but they would also be hiring. Well, if it’s not “the horse’s pull”, it’s not the pull. Factories (with the exception of defense ones) must be profitable - otherwise there is no way. Capitalism is in the yard.
          1. -1
            24 January 2026 10: 03
            Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            so yes, nothing catastrophic will happen for the country as a result of this

            There was a redhead in our recent history who said, "So what if half of Russia dies out? Well, they didn't fit in with perestroika." Are you a relative or just a like-minded person?

            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            Well, it's not like the horse is pulling, it's not pulling.

            I wonder which horse can pull the cart with the Central Bank rate at 18% and loans at over 20%?

            The military-industrial complex is financed with loans of 3-5%. The technology there is top-notch—the best in the world. Look for the problem in the wrong place—it's in the Duma.
            1. +1
              26 January 2026 12: 22
              *Look for the problem in the wrong place - it's in the Duma.*

              What is the Duma? It's nothing more than a crazy printer.
              And WHO IS WAVING all these laws, having the right of VETO?
              1. +1
                27 January 2026 08: 34
                It is the Duma that legitimizes the usurpation of power by presenting all laws as approved by representatives of the people. Don't think this is just window dressing.
          2. +2
            24 January 2026 10: 27
            I missed it. I'll add it.

            Quote: 2 level advisor
            If you consider how much money was spent on these people's jobs, then a couple of factories could have been built and there would have been enough work for more than just them.

            We had a negative experience in our recent history, when instead of missiles, they started churning out pots and pans... We almost lost all the skills we had, what would they use to fire at the enemy in the Air Defense Forces now?

            A couple of examples from our recent history:

            Putin. Pikalyovo. He forced Deribasko to continue operating the town's mainstay, a plant he considered unprofitable and, in Deribasko's opinion, should be closed. The plant continued operating, and the people received a means of coexistence.

            Putin. Kemerovo. One businessman said: "If they don't work for the wages I've set for them, I'll hire Chinese." Nothing is known about this businessman's fate; the miners' wages have been raised. No one has seen the Chinese.
          3. +5
            24 January 2026 12: 24
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            Well, it's not like the horse is pulling, it's not pulling.

            The situation was going well until the sanctions, when you could buy a Solaris for 800 rubles, and even get a loan at 5%. Renaults, for example, were all available for a million rubles, and people were buying them. And then the Central Bank's policies ruined the entire economy.
            1. +5
              24 January 2026 12: 35
              Quote: Panin (Michman)
              The horse was dragging itself out until sanctions were imposed

              Back then, the conditions were also very favorable... VAZ had already had several opportunities to make a high-quality, inexpensive car in its niche... for example, GAZ and Gazelles... so the Central Bank is more of a finishing move...
        2. +6
          24 January 2026 16: 44
          28 AvtoVAZ workers couldn't care less about the hundreds of thousands of laid-off workers at hundreds of closed factories and enterprises across the country. How is this semi-automotive plant different from the already closed factories? Probably because it's essentially feeding the feudal lords at the Ministry of Industry and Trade. And it's doing so by diverting budget money (i.e., my taxes).
        3. +2
          24 January 2026 21: 40
          If we had a 0% loan for AvtoVAZ, it would have made it possible, at the same prices, to significantly improve the quality of the cars.
          That's doubtful. It's more likely to increase the income of VAZ's top managers, and that's all.
        4. 0
          26 January 2026 14: 13
          Quote: Boris55
          Compare Central Bank interest rates in China and Russia. Where will spare parts be cheaper?
          If we had a 0% loan for AvtoVAZ, it would have made it possible, at the same prices, to significantly improve the quality of the cars.

          Are you serious? https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/8178543?ysclid=mkv2jbhs1y5679564
          What other profits does he need for this DISGRACE of Russia to start producing decent cars at affordable prices?
      2. +3
        24 January 2026 18: 19
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        I'll add: if you close it, it will happen, of course, but not as catastrophically.

        While Russian tool production was still in full swing, the cheapest screwdriver cost 10 cents and was of fairly decent quality. Now, screwdriver production in Russia has shrunk, and normal screwdrivers are available on the market for $20.
        1. +2
          24 January 2026 18: 42
          Quote: gsev
          While Russian tool production was still in full swing, the cheapest screwdriver cost 10 cents and was of fairly decent quality. Now, screwdriver production in Russia has shrunk, and normal screwdrivers are available on the market for $20.

          That's all true... but here the situation is that they force you to buy a low-quality screwdriver for $20 - that's a little different, isn't it?
          1. +2
            24 January 2026 19: 03
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            That's all true... but here the situation is that they force you to buy a low-quality screwdriver for $20 - that's a little different, isn't it?

            I saw in the comments that a foreign manager managed to close the tool shop at AvtoVAZ. After that, no amount of engineering, management, or financial efforts, investments, successes, or fortunes in Russia will prevent AvtoVAZ's demise. If China doesn't have a lithograph production facility, its microelectronics are uncompetitive. If a large mechanical engineering or metalworking plant doesn't have a tool shop, it's also inefficient and unprofitable.
        2. 0
          26 January 2026 11: 21
          While Russian tool production was still in full swing, the cheapest screwdriver cost 10 cents and was of fairly decent quality. Now, screwdriver production in Russia has shrunk, and normal screwdrivers are available on the market for $20.

          How many tool factories are there left in the country?
          I only see Novosibirsk...
          1. +3
            26 January 2026 14: 24
            Quote: Dedok
            How many tool factories are there left in the country?
            I only see Novosibirsk...

            Around 168. For now, everything can be restored and we can successfully compete with China. Russia's problem isn't external pressure, but the parasites that have latched onto production since the onset of perestroika. These parasites, entrenched in regulatory and supervisory bodies, are holding back Russia's development far more effectively than Western sanctions. What I meant was that if you have a manufacturing facility, the tools should be sharpened and restored by people working at the facility who can quickly resolve production issues and even prepare for them in advance. This also applies to carpentry and woodworking. Without a high-quality sharpener, any imported equipment will only be profitable until the lifespan of the tools supplied with the machine tools is exhausted.
            1. 0
              26 January 2026 15: 27
              About 168.

              There was just a purchase of both hand and power tools - there were no commercial offers from our factories or their gaskets...
              Now it's not even Taiwan, now it's China all around...
              Moreover, OKPD2 codes for the instrument were included in RF Government Resolution 1875 – as a ban on the purchase of imported...
              Can you send me the addresses of the production facilities in a private message?
              They might be inferior to China in terms of price, but I would like to see a catalog/list of the tools they produce...
              1. 0
                26 January 2026 17: 59
                Quote: Dedok
                Can you send me the addresses of the production facilities in a private message?

                I traded tools from 1995 to 2005. Off the top of my head, I remember Arefino, Novosibirsk, Sestroretsk, MIZ, and Orsha. But a lot has happened since then, and that's not my area of ​​interest. The fact that China has raised tool prices by an order of magnitude in dollar terms suggests that production in Russia has shrunk. Typically, factories only sell wholesale directly, and their sales departments won't bother supplying products if the order contains even one item that isn't a multiple of the wholesale packaging. A well-placed internet search will always lead you to an operating factory. Furthermore, the factory is wary of corporate raids and tries to sell to larger companies through intermediaries.
    2. 0
      24 January 2026 09: 09
      Selling portions of controlling stakes is sufficient. The business is sold piecemeal, not entirely. Accordingly, the new owners should set the terms of the purchase, in addition to investment, that they are competitors to existing automakers and benefit from competing for market share.
      For example, North Korean state-owned companies are competitors, as are Iranian and Indian ones, and it is advantageous for them to expand beyond their countries and make a profit by properly managing the auto plant and product quality.
    3. KCA
      -7
      24 January 2026 09: 14
      ZIL was certainly right on point, as was the Hammer and Sickle. They should have built it closer to the center and more metallurgical furnaces, near the Kremlin, so that the general secretaries would cough and sneeze.
      1. +5
        24 January 2026 21: 45
        ZIL was definitely right on topic
        When ZIL was built, it was the most remote outskirts. But Moscow has a tendency to expand uncontrollably. As they once said on KVN, "When the Kaluzhsko-Rizhskaya metro line starts in Kaluga and ends in Riga, then Moscow will become a big city."
    4. -7
      24 January 2026 12: 15
      Listen, do you really still believe this "the market will decide" nonsense? ZIL was shut down – did the market decide? But Kamaz, thank God, wasn't shut down. Same with AvtoVAZ, thank God they didn't shut it down. They make decent cars, and they sell better than anyone else. And now they're seriously working on quality. The Iskra will be the best car in its class, in terms of quality.
  12. +4
    24 January 2026 07: 13
    What will happen if AvtoVAZ suddenly disappears? A beautiful AvtoVAZ residential complex will simply be there. And the nerves of hundreds of thousands of Russians will be saved.
    1. +2
      24 January 2026 07: 52
      Quote: Yuri L
      What will happen if AvtoVAZ suddenly disappears? A beautiful AvtoVAZ residential complex will simply be there. And the nerves of hundreds of thousands of Russians will be saved.

      Are you a residential complex builder or are you looking for cheap apartments in a capitalist country?
  13. +2
    24 January 2026 07: 13
    The domestic auto industry is usually criticized by those who want to buy a new car but can't afford one. Don't the site's readers know where the money from the scrap tax goes?
    I have a 2024 Niva, and I'm very happy with it because I only think about it when I need to drive. I don't worry about anything happening to it; comprehensive insurance and compulsory motor third-party liability insurance combined are just over 10. Reliability? I could even drive to Teriberka today and not worry about a breakdown like Mercedes or Haval owners do. Mine will be repaired at any service center. Some might say it's slow and noisy, but I've conquered the noise. As for the slowness... I recently got fed up with Chinese car owners driving with their fog lights on on the illuminated Moscow Ring Road, so I had to leave them alone... see the photo, the car looks just like the one on the splash screen. I tried to take a selfie on the M12, but the speed camera didn't work at 150 km/h (GPS). And think about it: what outstanding achievement have you made in the industry to criticize the auto industry?
    1. +5
      24 January 2026 07: 57
      A couple of years ago, we got a new Chevrolet Niva from the municipal garage. Luckily, the driver was a capable driver; he tightened everything up himself upon delivery, and spent about a month doing some tweaking.
      The new Chinese cars (they were replacing old company Camrys with Moskvichs, and drivers were switching with sour cabbage soup) also brought their share of troubles. The rearview camera failed almost immediately due to hardware issues, and there was a long-running warranty dispute, followed by parking sensors. Small electrical components on the new car died just before the road.
      And this is only from what I heard out of the corner of my ear, because, thank God, I had nothing to do with these machines.
      1. +8
        24 January 2026 08: 00
        Quote: Radik Aytuganov
        A couple of years ago, we got a new Chevrolet Niva from the municipal garage. Luckily, the driver was a capable driver; he tightened everything up himself upon delivery, and spent about a month doing some tweaking.

        A cunning driver...he probably even demanded a bonus...when I bought a new Chevrolet Niva about 15 years ago, I didn't bother with anything, but immediately drove a thousand kilometers to my small homeland and got there without any delays.
        1. +2
          24 January 2026 12: 35
          Quote: Konnick
          When I bought a new Chevrolet Niva about 15 years ago, I didn't hold out any money.

          15 years ago, VAZ had a French general director.
          As a result of the 2008-2009 economic crisis and the resulting sales problems, AvtoVAZ found itself in a difficult financial situation in early 2009. At the end of March 2009, the company's debt to suppliers amounted to approximately 14 billion rubles. In the first nine months of 2009, production fell by 43,5% compared to the same period the previous year.
          In September 2009, the company's management announced massive staff reductions: by the end of 2009, they planned to cut 27,6 thousand employees out of 100 thousand.
          As a result, almost 22,5 thousand company employees were laid off in 2009, of which 11,5 thousand took pensions and 2,3 thousand took early retirement.
          In October 2009, AvtoVAZ, in a business plan presentation, noted that it was producing cars of "extremely low" quality and described itself as inefficient on many counts. One of the reasons cited for this situation was the "low quality of purchased components."
          Meanwhile, in October 2009, the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade stated in a letter to the government that AvtoVAZ, in its current form, was essentially unviable, being on the verge of bankruptcy (according to the ministry's estimates, the plant's debt would amount to 76,3 billion rubles by early 2010). The Ministry of Industry and Trade believes that further state support for the enterprise is impractical, and that the situation in Tolyatti can only be saved by reducing AvtoVAZ's workforce to 50 and using the funds proposed for AvtoVAZ's allocation to stabilize the labor market in the Samara Region.
          On November 27, 2009, the Russian Technologies State Corporation and Renault signed a protocol on cooperation in the recapitalization of AvtoVAZ. The agreement provides for financial assistance from the Russian Federation to AvtoVAZ in exchange for Renault's assistance in using Renault and Nissan technologies.
          In 2010, as part of its anti-crisis plan, AvtoVAZ began implementing the LADA QUALITY program, developed by a group of specialists headed by Quality Development Director Pascal Felten and aimed at improving the quality of the plant's products.[43] The Common Supplier Quality and Supplier Development service, created in March 2010, was brought in to ensure quality control. In January 2012, the Quality Directorate was headed by former Renault top manager Laurent Fofan, who had previously been involved in improving engines for the French brand's cars.[44] The modernization of production led to a significant increase in product quality, which had improved tenfold by 2013: "In 2013, AvtoVAZ equalized its quality level with its alliance partners, Renault and Nissan. Today, the actual quality level is 38 PPM (defects per million units). Over the past three years, AvtoVAZ has improved its product quality indicators by more than tenfold."[45] The following year, according to Bo Andersson, quality increased by another 20%[46], then by another 30%
          1. +1
            24 January 2026 12: 40
            The Chevrolet Niva is a General Motors, not a French car. Andersson began purchasing Chinese components and ramped up pilot and tool production at AvtoVAZ.
            1. -1
              24 January 2026 12: 46
              Quote: Konnick
              Chevrolet Niva is a General Motors car, not a French one.

              Absolutely right. But Russians assemble them. And Russians decide what to assemble them from.
            2. +3
              24 January 2026 18: 55
              Quote: Konnick
              dispersed the experimental and tool production at AvtoVAZ

              When the Armenians, the new owners of the AZLK automobile plant, closed the tool shop, a very smart friend of mine predicted that AZLK would soon perish. And that's exactly what happened. I suspect that AvtoVAZ's European manager arrived to work and manage the plant specifically for the purpose of closing the tool shop and destroying the plant. After the tool shop's closure, no subsidies or orders from Putin could stop AvtoVAZ's demise.
    2. +8
      24 January 2026 08: 11
      Quote: Konnick
      I have a 2024 Niva, and I'm very happy with it because I only think about it when I need to drive. I'm not worried about anything happening to it; the comprehensive insurance and compulsory motor insurance combined are just over 10 rubles. Reliability? I could drive to Teriberka today and not worry about a breakdown like Mercedes or Haval owners do.

      Just last week, people came in whose gearbox blew on their Niva 2025, after 5000 kilometers, so personally, I wouldn't be so sure if I were you... it's more a matter of luck, that's what I'm talking about...
      Quote: Konnick
      Usually, the domestic auto industry is criticized by those who want to buy a new car, but do not have the opportunity.

      Where does this conclusion come from? Look at the facts—almost everyone who can afford something better than an AvtoVAZ is buying Chinese cars these days. hi
      1. 0
        24 January 2026 08: 13
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Just last week, people came in whose transmission had broken on their Niva 2025,

        Do you work in warranty service?
        1. +8
          24 January 2026 08: 15
          Quote: Konnick
          Do you work in warranty service?

          I'm knocking money out of factories and warranty service centers for mistakes that they don't want to resolve peacefully. hi
          1. +3
            24 January 2026 08: 16
            Good luck.
            I had three Nivas, in addition to other cars, but the Zhiguli gearbox never let me down.
            1. +8
              24 January 2026 08: 19
              Quote: Konnick
              Good luck.
              I had three Nivas, in addition to other cars, but the Zhiguli gearbox never let me down.

              And to you too. And may it never let you down in the future.
    3. +1
      24 January 2026 11: 48
      Apparently, the people who downvoted the Niva weren't even close. And mine was pretty much the same. I went 130 km. A regular 2020 Niva.
      1. +3
        24 January 2026 16: 57
        I had a bicycle. It cost only 20,000, it was simple, and never broke down.
    4. +2
      24 January 2026 16: 50
      If you like buying smoking piles for millions of rubles, go ahead and sing. There are plenty of perverts. But most people are normal.
    5. 0
      26 January 2026 11: 25
      I have a 2024 Niva and I am very happy with the car.

      My son traded in one of his work cars for a Niva Travel (he had a Sheva). Six months have passed - the transfer case and right caliper were replaced under warranty. The transmission howls, but for driving around the quarry - it suits him...
      It's July 2025.
    6. +1
      26 January 2026 14: 24
      Quote: Konnick
      I have a 2024 Niva, and I'm very happy with it because I only think about it when I need to drive. I don't worry about anything happening to it; comprehensive insurance and compulsory motor third-party liability insurance combined are just over 10. Reliability? I could even drive to Teriberka today and not worry about a breakdown like Mercedes or Haval owners do. Mine will be repaired at any service center. Some might say it's slow and noisy, but I've conquered the noise. As for the slowness... I recently got fed up with Chinese car owners driving with their fog lights on on the illuminated Moscow Ring Road, so I had to leave them alone... see the photo, the car looks just like the one on the splash screen. I tried to take a selfie on the M12, but the speed camera didn't work at 150 km/h (GPS). And think about it: what outstanding achievement have you made in the industry to criticize the auto industry?

      Something tells me you've never owned anything more comfortable than the Niva. I can't imagine driving a Niva 1500 km to the seaside. I have an ANCIENT Mazda, which is head and shoulders above this Niva in terms of comfort. It's roomier and safer.
      Repairability – please. We tore apart the automatic transmission (probably the most complex mechanism in it) in the GARAGE. And without even removing it from the car. We simply removed the pump from the automatic transmission and pulled out all the bags through it, then removed the control panel. We checked everything. The weakest component remained the "donut." My Mazda handles your 132 and even 150 without a second thought, and I can comfortably watch a movie while driving on cruise control. And, like you, I live in Moscow.
      And as for the Niva's comprehensive insurance, I'm a complete joke. 7000 rubles for compulsory motor insurance, and I only change consumables and fill up with gas on time. Speaking of gas, the Niva consumes 11-13 liters of 92 octane in the city with its engine. I have an old, shaggy V6 with an archaic 4-speed automatic transmission under the hood. And I get 12-14 liters in the city.
      I understand. You fulfilled your childhood dream and bought a Niva Legend. But to justify this ARCHAIC THING, you'd have to be VERY narrow-minded.

      PySy: by the way, in the photo of the excess, the clearance has ALREADY burned out.
      1. 0
        26 January 2026 14: 32
        Quote: PROXOR
        PySy: by the way, in the photo of the excess, the clearance has ALREADY burned out.

        When the turn signal is turned on, the parking light turns off.
      2. -2
        26 January 2026 15: 12
        Quote: PROXOR
        Something tells me you've never owned anything more comfortable than the Niva. I can't imagine driving a Niva 1500 km to the seaside. I have an ANCIENT Mazda, which is head and shoulders above this Niva in terms of comfort. It's roomier and safer.

        I had and still have. And you only have ancient Mazdas, Mazdas that are rotting like our UAZs.
        1. 0
          26 January 2026 17: 23
          Quote: Konnick
          I had and still have. And you only have ancient Mazdas, Mazdas that are rotting like our UAZs.

          So far, all you've got is words. I've driven a lot of cars in my life. And yes, I currently have an old Mazda. And all you're saying is, "I HAVE." And as for whether it rots or not, that's the only thing that matters. Anything made of metal... any metal tends to oxidize. Yes, my car is 25 years old and has some bodywork issues, but your NIVA definitely won't last that long. IT WILL ROT even sooner, unless, of course, the spare tire gets smashed into the car during a windshield.
          There's no need to tell anyone about the quality of the AvtoVAZ. They were loved on all fronts. I hope you'll enjoy your Niva for a long time to come. Although, I think you'll lose it in another year... No, there are some hardcore Niva drivers who already have holes in their floorboards, and he told me the Niva is the king of off-roading and the best car in the world. You're probably one of them.
  14. +9
    24 January 2026 07: 39
    The Lada Vesta is now on par with the Haval Jolion and M6. A Lada Azimuth, according to a VAZ representative, will fetch over 3 million rubles. I'll be looking at the Haval F7/H7 at that point. This spark plug factory needs an audit; they won't survive 20 years.
    1. -3
      24 January 2026 07: 50
      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      The Lada Vesta is now on par with the Haval Jolion and M6. A Lada Azimuth, according to a VAZ representative, will fetch over 3 million rubles. I'll be looking at the Haval F7/H7 at that point. This spark plug factory needs an audit; they won't survive 20 years.

      If you can't afford a domestic car, buy a Chinese one. The price is the same. There's a choice.
    2. +5
      24 January 2026 16: 51
      I wish they would go bankrupt already and close forever.
    3. 0
      26 January 2026 11: 30
      According to a VAZ representative, the Lada Azimuth will sell for 3 million, so I'll take a closer look at the Haval F7/H7.

      Mitsubishi Outlander 4th generation...
  15. +3
    24 January 2026 07: 42
    A seditious question: couldn't the subsidies (effectively non-refundable) be spent on developing a modern, affordable, and safe car instead of being given to Tolyatti? More than one: the recycling fee hasn't been abolished yet, and it brings in a lot of money. Build a car for the average Russian.

    The article seemed to start out sensibly, and then there was the suggestion to "invent Granta"
  16. +7
    24 January 2026 07: 42
    900 billion rubles could buy a team of world-class developers.

    Naive... will you hire the chemical, electronic, and other industries too? Once again, I'm convinced that a journalist is a gossip who knows nothing, only eavesdrops and creates clickbait.
  17. +5
    24 January 2026 07: 43
    Fiat's a dead end. So much money has been poured into AvtoVAZ, but it's all in vain.
    1. +1
      26 January 2026 11: 31
      Dead end branch Fiata.

      Fiat has nothing to do with it - if idiots started to drive...
  18. +6
    24 January 2026 07: 44
    According to the automobile portal Quto, in 2000 the VAZ-2110 sedan cost 5,050 conventional units (c.u.)
    Right now, a Granta (roughly the same thing, but from a different perspective) is worth about $17. A Kama costs that much in the States. The question is, how is this even possible? At this rate, there's no need to shut them down; they'll fizzle out in a few years. This would certainly be a shock to the economy. So, repurpose them or sell them to the Chinese, if they take them. But leaving things as they are is a sure path to future economic and, ultimately, social upheaval.
    1. +2
      24 January 2026 09: 28
      Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

      Quote: Alexey 1970
      At this rate there is no need to close them down; they will deflate on their own in a few years.

      This is precisely what our Central Bank is doing - destroying Russia.

      ps
      And not a single comment about the people working at AvtoVAZ...
      1. +4
        24 January 2026 10: 47
        Please calm down, our solicitor. Go watch 60 minutes or a big game, and you'll feel better right away. On such a complex and difficult topic, you have nothing to say beyond the usual "the tsar is good, the boyars are bad." Just like on any other topic, there's only one answer. All the best to you, and please don't reply to my comments; I've already asked you to. Please don't reply to me again; I already know all your answers. All the best.
        1. -3
          24 January 2026 11: 40
          Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

          Quote: Alexey 1970
          I ask you again, don’t write to me, I know all your answers in advance.

          If you had written this to me in a private message, I would have done so, but since you are writing this for everyone to see, I apologize - I can’t not respond, otherwise people will think that your opinion is the only correct one...

          Our entire lives are governed by laws. You can replace Putin with anyone you like, but as long as the laws remain intact, any other president will be limited in their actions by the laws themselves, meaning practically nothing will change.

          So yes, the Tsar is good, and the boyars (the Duma deputies who defend the interests of those who put them in the soft Duma chairs - the bourgeoisie; the people are just extras participating in this show called "elections" and legitimizing them) are bad.

          What good has the Duma accomplished in over 30 years? What laws has it passed in the interests of the people? Practically nothing!
          1. +6
            24 January 2026 17: 45
            Quote: Boris55
            You can put anyone you want in Putin's place, but as long as the laws are not changed, any other president will be limited in his actions by the framework of these laws.
            The Duma adopts the laws issued to it by the presidential administration. Dissolve the Duma, transferring lawmaking functions to the Presidential Administration, and no one will notice the difference.
          2. +4
            24 January 2026 21: 51
            Our entire lives are governed by laws. You can replace Putin with anyone you like, but as long as the laws remain intact, any other president will be limited in their actions by the laws themselves, meaning practically nothing will change.
            As practice shows, our laws change quickly if the top brass needs it.
      2. +2
        24 January 2026 17: 43
        Quote: Boris55
        And not a single comment about the people working at AvtoVAZ...
        Do these people really care about those who buy their products? What, no? Well, good riddance is a debt.
  19. +7
    24 January 2026 07: 45
    Without partnership, there will be no modern platforms, no automatic transmissions, no six airbags, no modern safety systems, no reliability. There will be nothing but "projects."
    By the way, the same "Iskra" is a project made on the CMF-B LS platform from Renault-Nissan back in the French era.
    A prime example is the USSR, where they spent decades "marinating" on the same thing. First, the Italians shared the FIAT 124 in the late 1960s, and they kept producing the classic at VAZ until the mid-1980s, when the Germans helped with the Samara, after which it was "produced" for decades in various guises (the "ten," the "Priora"). They kept pushing it until, in the 2010s, Renault and Bo Andersson finally helped make a car that was more or less acceptable for the mid-2010s.
    VAZ won't be able to produce a decent, modern car without the help of a reputable foreign partner. The Soviet experience clearly demonstrated this, and now cars have become an order of magnitude more complex and technologically advanced.
    1. +3
      24 January 2026 09: 26
      Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      VAZ won't have a normal modern car without the help of a reputable foreign partner,

      With the Central Bank's key rate at 18%, no foreign partner will help!
  20. +1
    24 January 2026 07: 57
    There's a certain disconnect here. VAZ is financed by the state, while imported cars are purchased by private companies, which reap the bulk of the profits. To balance this imbalance, the state should handle at least some of the purchasing, to align expenses with profits.
    1. +1
      24 January 2026 09: 24
      Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      the state should handle at least some of the procurement

      The state (Duma) should first of all nationalize the Central Bank!
      The Central Bank's 18% interest rate kills all production and the concreteness of all production.
  21. +2
    24 January 2026 08: 02
    In good times, you can afford a foreign car. But when there's war and blockades and sanctions all around, even a Zhiguli will do. Just look at our civil aviation. When the going gets tough, our planes come in handy. Don't let yourself be blackmailed on any issue. And don't sponsor someone else's economy.
    1. +3
      24 January 2026 17: 49
      Quote: lutikovvn
      In good times, you can afford a foreign car. But when there's war and blockades and sanctions all around, even a Zhiguli will do.
      At times like these, you can even walk...
    2. +2
      24 January 2026 18: 36
      What war? We have a Soviet-era military system, no one knows what that is. Why should ordinary people tighten their belts and switch to VAZ cars, while the bigwigs continue to drive luxury foreign cars, own property in Western Europe, and have their wives fly to Paris for shopping?
      1. +1
        24 January 2026 20: 12
        As one big boss once said, "We're all in the same boat. And there's no point in rocking it." Unfortunately, he's right. Rocking it is not an option. Thieves and parasites, however, can and should be thrown overboard.
        The losers also started the Maidan fighting thieves and bad bosses. And they ended up fighting Nazis and rounding up people on the streets.
  22. 0
    24 January 2026 08: 40
    It'll only be good without AvtoVAZ! It's a pit where government money is wasted and squandered, then the cheapest parts are bought from China, assembled, and sold at exorbitant prices, and no one buys it!
    1. +1
      24 January 2026 21: 54
      It will only be good without the auto-VAZ! It's a pit where government money is thrown and it gets squandered.
      Don't be naive. If there's no AvtoVAZ, there'll be another pothole. At least they make some cars.
  23. 0
    24 January 2026 08: 55
    The further this process goes, the more it becomes clear – AvtoVAZ needs to be STOPPED!!! This team just can't work... at all! Maybe the place is cursed... We really need to stop this... and start over. Under different rules and laws! Bring in REAL PEOPLE!
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  25. +3
    24 January 2026 09: 23
    There's a fair amount of justified anger in all of our consumers' complaints, but we don't teach our children to be engineers or designers. Our own people work at AvtoVAZ, not black people, for example, and so on. And what's even more important is that we can't stop producing cars ourselves for national security reasons. They'll immediately cut off all imports and leave us penniless. The situation here with spare parts teaches citizens nothing. So love what we have, what we deserve, what we raised and taught ourselves.
  26. 0
    24 January 2026 09: 26
    We need to ban the export of oil, gas, timber, and metals from Russia, in raw, unprocessed form, and then everything will fall into place. To buy foreign cars, we'll have to offer the global market a product comparable in price, quality, and technical sophistication. Failing that, we'll have to switch to domestically produced cars, and everyone will be happy with them. bully
  27. +6
    24 January 2026 09: 33
    Overall, AvtoVAZ hasn't been about cars for a long time. It's a front, a SOCIAL enterprise. The goal is to show that the auto industry actually exists in Russia. And to employ 37 people and another 370 related workers. People go to work, get paid, and the fact that they also produce cars (crap cars, made from the shoddiest Chinese parts with a service life of, say, 40 km, timing belts, you'll have to change the rollers and timing belt every 1,5-2 years) is just a side effect. Well, cars, but they could have made saucepans. Or shovels. Who cares!!! A social enterprise as an icon of the Russian auto industry.
  28. +6
    24 January 2026 09: 38
    The government has forgotten how to make bearings, what kind of car are we talking about???!!!
  29. +4
    24 January 2026 09: 43
    Author, are you stoned? KamAZ is a ZIL development. I didn't read any further because this isn't an article, it's crap.
  30. +2
    24 January 2026 09: 44
    What kind of complexes are these? The author has them too. The Chinese copy everything and everyone, and that doesn't stop them from being a great power. It's much more profitable than reinventing the wheel. Stalin wouldn't have made such a breakthrough if we were inventing everything ourselves. The Chinese learned a lot from Stalin. And in general, this is common practice worldwide; it's just that the smartest ones steal it, and the richest ones buy the license and equipment.
  31. +2
    24 January 2026 09: 49
    To match developed countries, we need to sell at least 4 million new cars per year, and preferably 6 million. To achieve this, we need to increase production tenfold and add imports. Remove tariffs. Increase the guaranteed salary severalfold, meaning any cleaner or engineer should earn up to $40,000 per year. To achieve this, we need to pass the appropriate laws. Reform the State Traffic Inspectorate. Something needs to be done about obtaining a driver's license, as young people are hysterical with terror when taking driving tests, and older people haven't been able to pass for five years. Previously, in the 1960s, people with a higher education could immediately take the driving test without training. The State Traffic Inspectorate physically won't be able to register 6 million cars per year, and schools won't be able to cope with the influx of applicants. AvtoVAZ needs to get out of its misery and start producing a full range of cars, from SUVs and luxury cars to minivans. It needs to produce buses, trucks, etc.
  32. +1
    24 January 2026 10: 06
    Unfortunately, this is the mentality))) and it will do, why bother))) buy your dear Russians a Granta from Uncle Grant's showroom and everything will be fine. Buy it on credit from Uncle Aaron's bank, that's how the economic machine turns. laughing
  33. 0
    24 January 2026 10: 14
    Let's consider a hypothetical case where we treat AvtoVAZ according to the principles of effective management: convert the plant into warehouses/technology parks, sell the equipment, and lay off the workers. Subsidies would naturally be cancelled.
    Let's start counting. 900 billion rubles in subsidies for 37,000 workers. I may have miscalculated, but each worker receives 24 million rubles in subsidies. Maybe we should pay them this money in cash, at least 100,000 each? That would save us money!
    Furthermore, for every factory worker, there are 8-10 workers at related companies. The author is right about the multiplier effect. I agree.
    But then further on in the article it is mentioned that
    There is currently a serious labor shortage in the country.
    About workers needing relocation assistance and so on. Why? No one needs to go anywhere! We have AvtoVAZ subcontractors who are left without a market for their products. We need to audit these subcontractors; they can certainly be repurposed to produce other products, especially since import substitution is trending here. Is the plant private? Are the bank interest rates prohibitive? Great, we'll sign a government contract with the plant owner. The government will directly finance/implement the plant's conversion to a different product line; other options are even possible. But the owner can't close the plant for 5-10 years.
  34. 0
    24 January 2026 10: 37
    Close the plant, mobilize the workers to the SVO, into the stormtroopers!
  35. +5
    24 January 2026 10: 48
    To listen to the author, it seems like we built all the factories, but we didn't train our own engineers, while others around the world figured things out on their own—the Chinese, for example. It's as if we never had the Yakovlev and Frese automobile, or the electric cars of Romanov, Shipulin, Sharapov, or Russo-Balt. We've always had a school of engineering, but true industry is mass production. At all times, some have borrowed the best solutions from others. This was done both legally and more often quietly; they even coined the term "reverse engineering." Incidentally, Ford was quite successful in this, gathering technology from around the world. Plus, while we were going through wars and revolutions, Ford won the competition against Selden in the States, and then the French, who had produced the most cars before 1905, fell. Incidentally, as early as 1924, a commission from the USSR was sent to Europe, the purpose of which wasn't thoughtless purchasing, but rather the study of the state of automobile production and operation. Humanity has devised no other way to achieve one's own results. The apprentice learns from the master, and then becomes a master himself.
    As for closing AvtoVAZ and dismantling its engineering center, there's Iran, whose auto industry has been struggling to survive for 40 years. Do you have any guarantees that the Chinese won't do the same to us tomorrow as their Western "partners"? The point is that AvtoVAZ's management has long since lost touch with reality, and this mess needs to be cleaned up.
    And finally, the author writes that, apart from the Pobeda and the Volga, we didn't have any successful cars. It's worth reminding him about the Moskvich 412, which was sold in many foreign countries, participated in competitions, and was quite popular.
  36. +2
    24 January 2026 10: 58
    If people were paid what they actually earned, and not the surplus left over from state taxes and the insatiable gluttony of the bosses, no one would even look at Togliatti's products. And I really want to know how my money, poured into AvtoVAZ, is being spent. It's the same black hole as the utilities sector. At all levels of government, a situation of three "nos" has developed: no one is ever held accountable for anything. The last few official arrests are happening only because the authorities are afraid that people from the SVO will start asking questions.
  37. -4
    24 January 2026 11: 02
    I completely disagree with the author, on everything. AvtoVAZ makes decent cars. They're the cheapest and quite reliable. They're not super-featured, but they do the basic job of a car perfectly. This is OUR manufacturer, OUR expertise and independence, and so many people. The fuel consumption of all this over-the-top bourgeois junk is the same or even higher than that of a VAZ. And cast-iron blocks with a closed water jacket are nowhere to be found in the global auto industry anymore (up to 3 liters on gasoline engines). So what will these foreign show-offs turn into after 100 kilometers? A misery that will be sold to our own citizens.
    At AvtoVAZ, they're already starting to galvanize their bodies and work on other issues. If AvtoVAZ gets the impression that it makes high-quality cars—and that's entirely achievable, given its proven technical solutions that give them a service life of nearly a million kilometers—then it will truly take over the market. Foreign manufacturers don't need a million kilometers; they're currently deliberately limiting service life to 100-150 kilometers. Needless to say, the foreign auto industry is so advanced. AvtoVAZ, with its emphasis on quality and simplicity, will push them all into the background. And they make expensive things.
    1. +4
      24 January 2026 12: 23
      Quote: Vasily))
      I completely disagree with the author, on everything. AvtoVAZ makes decent cars. They're the cheapest and quite reliable.

      Quote: Vasily))
      If AvtoVAZ is perceived as making high-quality cars—and this is entirely achievable, given its proven technical solutions that ensure a vehicle's lifespan approaches a million kilometers—then it will truly take over the market. Foreign manufacturers don't need a million kilometers; they currently limit their lifespan to 100-150 kilometers.

      Until AvtoVAZ can boast of a million-plus cars, I don't see the point in talking about it. And if it's so cool and cheap, then why are sales falling even in the hothouse conditions it's been enjoying lately? I've owned several AvtoVAZ cars, and the only way to get me back there again is by force... which is practically what they're doing with the recycling fee. Nevertheless, if I have to, I'll only buy them when they become exactly as you described, although I'm not sure. And don't forget that localized production at AvtoVAZ ranges from 80% to 45% across various models, so is the VAZ really ours, Russian inside? The Moskvich 3, I think, also has our badge...
    2. 0
      24 January 2026 14: 19
      Quote: Vasily))
      Because there are already time-tested technical solutions that give a car a service life of up to a million, it will truly take over the entire market. Foreign manufacturers don't need a million; they currently specifically limit service life to 100-150 km.

      AvtoVAZ doesn't need a million either; why does it need cars that last forever?
      You can make it for a million, but then it will be more expensive.
  38. +3
    24 January 2026 11: 23
    Let's start with what the average city dweller needs a car for? Getting to and from work, going to the countryside or the dacha on weekends, to the seaside in the summer, or even traveling somewhere. In big cities, owning a car becomes completely pointless; taxis or car sharing are easier. So, what do you need in a car? Safety, comfort, let's say average. I have a pre-war Lada Granta, 21 years old, with two airbags, cruise control, heated seats except for the rear, ABS, ESC, light and rain sensors, and fog lights. A 16-valve engine with manual transmission. I drive alone or with my wife. Basically, everything works fine; if something breaks, it's easy to fix. In 32 years of driving, I've had German, Japanese, Korean, French, and two Fords, both new and used. But I'm sure an audit of AvtoVAZ is needed, a decision needs to be made, because quality has dropped dramatically and competition is necessary. Sorry for the confusion, and I'm writing from my phone.
  39. +2
    24 January 2026 11: 27
    Let them all go to hell with my whole factory and finally get off our necks.
  40. +1
    24 January 2026 11: 34
    AvtoVAZ needs the state to dictate prices
    1. ada
      -1
      24 January 2026 12: 00
      Quote: garrycooper1
      AvtoVAZ needs the state to dictate prices

      Support!
      And the plant itself and its expansions should be made a state-owned enterprise.
      The state must take money back as a means of governance, and not hand it out to labilize the nouveau bourgeoisie and the nouveau rentiers.
      1. +5
        24 January 2026 12: 39
        Quote: ada
        And the plant itself and its expansions should be made a state-owned enterprise.
        The state must take money back as a means of governance, and not hand it out to labilize the nouveau bourgeoisie and the nouveau rentiers.

        It's been like this for 4 years now.. where are the results?
        AvtoVAZ is owned by the Russian state through FSUE NAMI, which became a 100% owner in 2022 following Renault's exit; the state corporation Rostec re-entered the shareholder mix in 2024.
        1. ada
          0
          26 January 2026 18: 29
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          ...AvtoVAZ is owned by the Russian state through the Federal State Unitary Enterprise NAMI...

          It's not enough to formalize this subordination on paper and obtain a series of verbal assurances to establish the enterprise's operations. Clearly, a series of arbitrary and arbitrary measures are required, but along with the search for and recruitment of idealists and rationalists, one must also know how to execute; it's not like playing chess... wassat
  41. -4
    24 January 2026 11: 55
    Who ordered this article, the "cheap" Chinese? Water.
  42. +7
    24 January 2026 11: 57
    Quote: KCA
    ZIL was certainly right on point, as was the Hammer and Sickle. They should have built it closer to the center and more metallurgical furnaces, near the Kremlin, so that the general secretaries would cough and sneeze.

    When they built it, it was just the outskirts. Or do you think Moscow had its current size already under Dolgoruky?
  43. +2
    24 January 2026 12: 26
    The article reminds me of a saying by a certain trunk, that we don’t need production, we’ll buy everything.
  44. +3
    24 January 2026 12: 32
    I love this article – phenomenal!! There were exactly the same articles in the 90s about the aviation industry and other manufacturing industries, when the economy (of oligarchic capital accumulation) was completely diverted to the lucrative hydrocarbon and semi-finished goods industries. What did they gain? Nothing – the aviation industry is a murky place, production is going nowhere, and hydrocarbons, it turns out, can be bought in Africa. In 30 years, only Moscow has seen a brighter future, and offshore ones at that. Now we're singing the praises of the Chinese auto industry... and just a decade ago, they were talking nonsense... So they even make their own airplane engines, while here we only talk about breakthroughs...
    1. +1
      24 January 2026 14: 24
      Quote: AlexFly
      Now we're singing the praises of the Chinese auto industry... but just a decade ago, they were saying crap... So they even make their own airplane engines, while here we only talk about breakthroughs...

      So they were a guamn 20 years ago... and now in terms of cars, the Chinese have definitely surpassed us, despite the fact that the price of many in China is the same as our VAZ, and the average salary in China is higher (110 thousand rubles).. So in the 90s and about the aviation industry - you are probably right, but there is no point in stretching the situation from then to today..
      1. 0
        24 January 2026 15: 11
        The answer is simple - there's no point in thinking about a country based on the size of your own pocket. That's where your priorities come in... When the copy machine is working, you have something to base your thoughts on. I'm talking about research institutes, of which there are more than enough, but now they're gone.
        1. +2
          24 January 2026 16: 10
          Quote: AlexFly
          The answer is simple - there is no point in thinking about a country based on the size of your own pocket.

          This is only true for a socialist society, which will support you if something happens, but under capitalism there are different rules: if you don't think for yourself, no one else will... and by the way, capitalism doesn't stop the French and Japanese, for example, from building airplanes and cars. hi
        2. +1
          24 January 2026 17: 54
          Quote: AlexFly
          The answer is simple: there is no point in thinking about a country based on the size of your own pocket.
          So let the bureaucrats not interfere with it to solve their problems.
  45. 0
    24 January 2026 12: 37
    "But history shows that Russians are becoming less and less willing to touch a Lada every year."
    To understand that guano is guano, you don’t have to touch it, and most Russians understand this perfectly well. Yes
    And if he disappears, so what? "The market decides." And the squad won't even notice the loss of a fighter. laughing
  46. +5
    24 January 2026 12: 41
    There is no need to close anything (they will die on their own).
    We need to eliminate all levies like recycling fees and the like. Impose a 10% duty on cars from China. That's it. Today, the same car costs twice as much here (for now) as in China.
  47. 0
    24 January 2026 12: 56
    If it were that simple, they probably would have already decided. Subsidies are a sad thing for the state, but apparently there's no other way. Especially since some of the money is always refunded. With the average price of a Lada model at around 1,5 million rubles, VAT will be around 300. With 400 cars produced annually, that's 120 billion rubles. Plus, there are related industries. That means employment and taxes across the country. And skills. Overall, of course, there's nothing to be happy about—the auto industry isn't doing so well. But generalizing isn't worth it either. We make most of our own public transportation—and quite well. Military trucks, too. Assembly lines will recover as the market recovers. As for AvtoVAZ, it's simply a management shortage.
    1. +2
      24 January 2026 14: 28
      Quote: Glagol1
      Well, AvtoVAZ simply lacks management.

      It's been like this for 40 years now... there probably just aren't any managers in the world capable of handling it... or someone there doesn't want them, but wants things to go on as they are—with subsidies, recycling fees, etc., and probably makes money from it—otherwise, why wouldn't they want it? Well, there is, of course, a simpler explanation—the place is cursed. laughing
    2. 0
      26 January 2026 11: 42
      Military trucks too.

      Are they different from civilian ones?
  48. +2
    24 January 2026 13: 03
    What will happen if AvtoVAZ disappears?

    What happens if the body gets rid of a parasite that is disguised as something the body needs? winked
  49. +5
    24 January 2026 13: 12
    there won't be much point in such draconian recycling, read, protective duties

    It's like it fell from the moon. The plant will be gone, but the recycling fee will remain. Relax, citizen, the government will find somewhere to spend your money.
    1. 0
      26 January 2026 08: 45
      In any case, there will no longer be a direct injection of money from the budget into the pockets of VAZ top managers.
  50. 0
    24 January 2026 13: 27
    A seditious question: couldn't the subsidies (effectively non-refundable) be spent on developing a modern, affordable, and safe car instead of being given to Tolyatti? More than one: the recycling fee hasn't been abolished yet, and it brings in a lot of money. Build a car for the average Russian.
    The problem is that the people involved are disgusted by the idea of ​​a people's car. Take the Moskvich, for example. The Moskvich 3 was a necessary measure, and the market didn't respond well to it. We need to learn from it, not waste money on the even more disastrous Moskvich 6. In this situation, they should have looked at the documentation for the Svyatogor. Modernizing the platform as much as possible isn't that difficult or expensive. As those who've driven it say, the Vesta isn't much different from the Svyatogor. What you put under the hood is another matter entirely. VAZ won't give its engines to its competitors. The only option left is ZMZ. Who will buy such a car? Those who want a simple, low-maintenance, easy-to-repair vehicle that's popular on the used market—those are the ones. This solution is a viable option now. And we need to start creating a new platform OURSELVES today.
  51. -1
    24 January 2026 13: 35
    The Chinese approach is good here. They didn't stand on ceremony with bourgeois developments; they simply took them and, through reverse engineering, copied what they needed. And it must be said, this yielded very good results. If we can't do it ourselves, we should follow the beaten path, rather than pretending to be a virgin who can't do it and will be ashamed of it.
    1. +2
      24 January 2026 18: 00
      Not quite. The thing is, they had access to the production process from the very beginning, having initially lured all the global manufacturers by localizing production in China. Plus, they're actively acquiring licenses and luring specialists. And gradually, their own engineering school emerged. Just look at modern Chinese car designers—they're all Italian names.
      We could have followed a similar path, in principle, if not for the SVO. For example, the Koreans (Hyundai) planned to build an automatic transmission plant in Russia for the mass market; it would have essentially been the first such plant in our history. Now, even Poland produces automatic transmissions, while we, despite our relatively large market, have nothing comparable.
    2. +3
      24 January 2026 18: 11
      Quote: garik77
      The Chinese approach is good here. They didn't stand on ceremony with bourgeois developments; they simply took them and, through reverse engineering, copied what they needed.
      It won't work. They had factories built by these bourgeois people using bourgeois designs. Imagine if you were able to pass on the Abrams designs to the USSR in 1939. Would they help establish tank production? The gap isn't that great, but still...
  52. +6
    24 January 2026 13: 35
    Close AvtoVAZ—definitely. It's a waste of time. Giving money to those who don't want to earn money is pointless. Stealing—yes, cutting up—that's always the case, but working—that's not AvtoVAZ's thing. Sadly, they don't know how to do anything other than churn out 50-year-old jerks. You can endlessly change the name, the grille, or some other insignificant thing, but making a decent car—that's not AvtoVAZ's thing. Judging by the quality of the components, the supplier factories should be closed too. Is it a pity? No, not at all. They produce complete crap. What's there to pity? They don't pity the owners of Zhiguli cars. Close it and forget it like a bad dream.
  53. +1
    24 January 2026 13: 47
    I'd like to know who's responsible for car design at VAZ? I'm guessing it's someone with a complete lack of aesthetics. And yet, Tupolev himself noted that a beautiful airplane flies well. But VAZ doesn't know about that.
  54. +2
    24 January 2026 14: 15
    First: if you shut down the auto industry, it will never exist here again, because creating it from scratch is much more expensive than catching up. Even China took decades to do this, with its market, economy, and overall level of development.
    Second, by abandoning its own auto industry, Russia will become critically dependent on imports, so under strong sanctions, the situation will be the same as now in the aviation industry: you can fly a little, but only for now.
    Third, the auto industry is a powerful consumer of Russian components and raw materials, and a huge employer. Abandoning this sector will lead to a multiplier effect in the economy: many related industries will either close completely or be pushed to the brink of extinction, which will create a cascading effect on the entire economy – it will collapse like a house of cards.
    Fourth: the production of domestic auto industry keeps the currency within the country, greatly helping to maintain a positive trade balance in foreign trade - i.e., it prevents the flow of currency (petrodollars) abroad.
    Fifth: a country without its own auto industry is like a banana republic, only in Russia's case, without the bananas. Does the auto industry want a war, a coup, or a putsch every time resource prices fall? I don't.
    1. +5
      24 January 2026 14: 38
      According to you, AvtoVAZ is one of the main pillars holding the country back from sinking into the abyss... Here's some information about where the auto industry is, but they are "banana republics" at the same time - African brands: Kantanka (Ghana), Mobius Motors (Kenya), IVM (Nigeria), Wallyscar (Tunisia).
    2. +7
      24 January 2026 14: 39
      If the car factory were to close, rebuilding it would be extremely difficult or even impossible in the current climate. The problem is that, instead of putting in the hard work to improve quality and reduce costs, VAZ has chosen the easiest path—lobbying for prohibitive tariff increases. I wouldn't be opposed to VAZ products when they cost a mere 900,000 rubles, but when they raise customs duties and prices just to keep them going, and I realize my 13-year-old Nissan is all I can afford, I couldn't care less whether VAZ survives.
    3. +2
      24 January 2026 18: 15
      Quote from Neutral Neutral
      First: if we close the auto industry
      Not the auto industry, but VAZ. Separate the parasites who own its shares from the state's cash flows (I'm sure these parasites are the ones who control these flows; they're not all shareholders, of course, but still). Until this is done, there won't be a replacement for VAZ—its place is already taken.
  55. +4
    24 January 2026 14: 18
    The main reason AvtoTAZ still exists is the stingy embezzlement of equally stingy budgets and various funds.
    I was looking at my oldest child's math homework the other day. This is how the fifth-graders naturally solve problems involving an AvtoVAZ and various Vestas, Kalinas, and Prioras.
  56. +4
    24 January 2026 14: 50
    Let's start with the fact that when VAZ was launched, payments from its profits were used not only to repay funds for the construction of the VAZ plant, but also for the construction of the KAMAZ plant. Although the first KAMAZ model was developed at ZIL, the prototype was very similar to a Mercedes model. An Autoreview journalist finally dug up this story. And when I visited the Mercedes museum in Germany, even they were surprised to find documents in their archives indicating that Mercedes wanted to assemble its trucks in the USSR. Furthermore, we always had developments - everything basically came down to the unwillingness of the plant management. It's hard not to remember that the Yunost bus was able to install sliding windows in the side walls of the passenger compartment, but the UAZ and Hunter cannot. And the guys in the Moscow region can, and the price, together with new door trim and a window lift, is 25.000 rubles per door. 100.000 RUB extra. Options for a 1,7 million car are nothing. This isn't some multimedia system for 100 thousand in a VAZ... And the roofs on the 21312 and Simbir, and then on the Patriot, couldn't have been made from one piece of stamping over 30 years, rather than three parts - the cost of two stampings wouldn't have paid for itself in that time... Next, regarding related companies that did not modernize their production but stupidly jacked up prices - is this normal?! Again, from an interview with Bu Anderson, it's not normal when a local factory asks for money to modernize production and offers to buy screws for 2 rubles apiece, but at the same time, the manager of this factory arrives to negotiations in a Maybach, and his workers are paid the minimum wage. And the Koreans offer the same screws for 90 kopecks, including delivery and customs clearance. Someone somewhere needs to steal less. Next. Why do we need imported trucks, tractors, combines, excavators if our own factories can cover the market with a 10-15% reserve?! Ban this from being imported. If you need quality, then hammer your producers. And by bringing in goods from abroad, you increase the cost of everything at once in any case - because you spend money on both delivery and customs clearance. And you're also losing on the ruble exchange rate. Why, for foreign producers, with all their expenses, were some of the largest markets from which they received the most profit? Everyone except China - the market there is simply bigger and selling even 500 thousand units here is pennies for them. And they don’t refuse VAZ because they make crappy cars there. There's just no money for it. VAZ has never had, does not have, and never will have, any competitors. And VAZ is a state-owned company - look who the main shareholder is. As in other native brands. Ours should be banned from importing foreign equipment, in fact. Essentially, I need electronics. We can produce the rest, we just don’t want to... You have to want it. Once again, we don’t need to carry many components for the car - we have them already. And the FAS is an unnecessary link here. It was necessary to think that the engine plant next door should not even belong to a competitor at that time - I'm talking about ZMZ and GAZ, UMZ and UAZ. We don't have any economists. There are only accountants. An audit needs to be carried out. Analyze normally. We need to be able to negotiate among ourselves, and not jack up prices for the sake of pennies. And taxes should be such that there is no need to introduce benefits and allowances. That's why we get what we have.
    1. +4
      24 January 2026 15: 13
      Quote: Victor Alien
      As with other domestic brands, ours should be banned from importing foreign equipment. Electronics are what's needed. We can produce everything else, we just don't want to... We have to want to.

      Our country can't produce everything the rest of the world produces. The USSR (the world's second-largest economy) couldn't, and Russia even less so. Autarky will lead to nothing good—only stagnation, as exemplified by Japan and China in the 19th century. We simply need to realistically assess our capabilities and establish mutually beneficial relations with our neighbors.
  57. +4
    24 January 2026 15: 02
    There's no need to shut anyone down. No need to inject money, that's all. They'll survive just fine; if not, then no need. Abolish all customs, tax, clearance, and other fees, including recycling fees. Impose a 10% duty on Chinese cars and 100% on all others, and that'll be fine.
    1. 0
      24 January 2026 18: 18
      Quote: Antony
      There's no need to shut anyone down. No need to invest money, that's all.
      It's one and the same.
  58. +3
    24 January 2026 15: 21
    KAMAZ was supplied with modern equipment by the Americans, Germans, Japanese, Swedes and Italians.


    Interesting phrase!
    And the word "supplied"...
    Out of the kindness of your heart?
    Or for money paid by the USSR?
  59. +3
    24 January 2026 15: 45
    We don't have a single minister who cares about the issues of their sector. Sanctions are a convenient cover for escalating budget plunder, and since there's no accountability, they'll become even more brazen.
  60. kig
    +1
    24 January 2026 15: 49
    The YouTube channel "Khach's Diary" produced a 90-minute video featuring interviews with various AvtoVAZ employees and management. They answered various pressing questions that concern Russian drivers, and they did so in a rather unique way. For example, when asked whether it was possible to create a BMW 5-series analogue, Product Director Oleg Grunenkov responded, "Yes, but why?" He also stated that the company had decided not to spend time and money on innovation; it only has a "modest" budget for AI research.
  61. 0
    24 January 2026 15: 56
    Quote: Vovanya
    I'd like to know who's responsible for car design at VAZ? I'm guessing it's someone with a complete lack of aesthetics. And yet, Tupolev himself noted that a beautiful airplane flies well. But VAZ doesn't know about that.

    Nowadays, even in the West, no one designs their own products in factories. They're commissioned from design studios, which then seemingly follow fashion trends based on what the average customer likes.
  62. -1
    24 January 2026 16: 17
    Well, the same old story again: give it to pensioners. Author, how much did they pay you for this?
    1. +3
      24 January 2026 16: 43
      It would be better to take it from the pensioners and give it to VAZ shareholders...
      1. -1
        24 January 2026 17: 15
        Quote: gromila78
        It would be better to take it from the pensioners and give it to VAZ shareholders...

        Are you so upset with the VAZ shareholders that you are ready to deprive the country of an entire industry in order to do them harm?
        1. +3
          24 January 2026 17: 25
          I'm frustrated by the price hikes I'm paying to support a money-losing industry and the inability to buy a new car for myself and my children at these prices. In this case, what difference does it make to me whether the auto industry is alive or dead if I'm driving an old foreign car and my children are taking the bus?
          1. -1
            24 January 2026 17: 41
            Quote: gromila78
            In this case, what difference does it make to me whether the auto industry is alive or not, if I drive an old foreign car, and my children on the bus

            If they sell you this foreign car, look online for photos from Cuba. They still drive foreign cars from the 60s and our own Zhiguli (from the 70s and 80s). They don't sell them any other cars. The ones they still drive were imported back under Batista.
            Quote: gromila78
            In this case, what difference does it make to me whether the auto industry is alive or not?

            We heard this already in 91. The fugitive redhead and the late Yegor said it.
            1. +3
              24 January 2026 18: 24
              So they're asking us to build Cuba. Who can afford a car that costs 2,000,000 rubles and offers 16% annual interest with a median salary of 75,000 rubles? Who's imposing practically prohibitive duties on imported cars?
            2. +3
              24 January 2026 18: 38
              Quote: ZAV69
              If they sell you this foreign car, look online for photos from Cuba. They still drive foreign cars from the 60s and our own Zhiguli (from the 70s and 80s). They don't sell them any other cars. The ones they still drive were imported back under Batista.

              Is there anything other than the recycling fee preventing this from happening today? So who's stopping me from buying it?
              Quote: ZAV69
              We heard this already in 91. The fugitive redhead and the late Yegor said it.

              They said... so what? They screwed up the aviation industry, for example, and now ordinary people have nothing to fly on? You know, they fly Boeings, which make up the vast majority of the Russian fleet.
            3. 0
              26 January 2026 09: 11
              Cuba is a poor example. It's an island surrounded by class enemies. It's very easy to isolate it militarily. That won't work with Russia. There are too many land-based options, if only there were a will.
    2. +7
      24 January 2026 17: 35
      We all have a very simple question. Why, in a capitalist country, should we all, through billions in budget subsidies, pay for the personal Mercedes of AvtoVAZ's top management in particular, and for a loss-making capitalist enterprise in general? In a capitalist country, a loss-making enterprise closes down. And very often, forever.
  63. +4
    24 January 2026 16: 40
    Quote: Konnick
    And think about it, what outstanding thing have you done in industry that would make you criticize the auto industry?

    People aren't criticizing the auto industry. They're criticizing the vicious practice of taking their money for the auto industry's benefit. So what did they do? Well, they earned money for a car...
    1. 0
      24 January 2026 20: 04
      Quote: LuZappa
      People are criticizing the vicious practice of taking money from them for the benefit of the auto industry.

      In favor of the auto industry? The war is on...
      1. +1
        26 January 2026 09: 09
        The war is on ...


        Find out what Roskomnadzor thinks about the word "war" as it applies to one very well-known modern military conflict.
  64. +3
    24 January 2026 16: 45
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Get to and from work, go to the village or the dacha on the weekend, to the sea in the summer, or travel somewhere.

    Driving three or four adults of normal height and build for more than an hour in a VAZ vehicle is torture. Never mind traveling. For this very reason, I'll never buy one.
  65. +3
    24 January 2026 17: 18
    These should be protected from cheap imports.
    Don't they want to protect the people from outrageous prices on cars?
    It is precisely this structure that the government does not want to destroy.
    The structure won't disappear: it will be occupied with other, more useful matters. We have a shortage of everything (except managers).
    It's a shame people don't boycott car purchases until the recycling fee is abolished.
  66. 0
    24 January 2026 17: 42
    Let's put it this way. UAZ and AvtoVAZ provide a huge number of jobs both at their own plants and at related enterprises. And the loss of these plants would create a sharp increase in job losses, noticeable across the entire country. And we're not so well off that we can easily afford to close such large-scale enterprises.
    But leaving such a mess is simply impossible.
    And most importantly, do these companies even have the capacity to DEVELOP ANYTHING!? Just read history and you'll find that for the last 25-30 years (and maybe even longer), these companies have either been reworking old designs or signing contracts for foreign-made design documentation. Can they design and build their own frames? Can they develop their own axles? Can they invent their own engines? The question isn't even about production, but rather what's involved in development? Where are the design engineers who are supposed to come up with all this? Where are they? We still have departments in universities that teach mechanical engineering. Where are the internal combustion engine and gearbox developers? And if they exist, why do we continue to produce disgusting 40-year-old gearboxes with minimal innovations.
    It seems like we don't even produce BEARINGS in the country anymore, so we have to order them from abroad (think China). And you want to say, "Okay, electronics or small mechanical parts, like bearings. Fine, we'll order them! But WHY can't we design and manufacture crankshafts, wheels, and engines? We still have the technology, machines, and factories capable of doing it, but they continue to produce lines of disgusting engines."
    Why can't we create an engine as powerful and reliable as the Ford engines of the 1970s???? Did Ford really have better engine technology almost 70 years ago than we have in the 21st century?!?!?!? And if that's true, who allowed this to happen?
    Is it really that hard to galvanize the entire car body so it doesn't start rusting on the way to the store? Is it really that hard to make an engine that won't stall or leak after a thousand miles? Is it really that hard to make a proper automatic transmission that can properly distribute revs and extend engine life, and that won't break down for no apparent reason? Is it really that hard to come up with a suspension that can handle our roads (and they're slowly starting to be built en masse here, even in the Far East) without bouncing over every little bump?
    I live in Moscow, but my work has also taken me to Magadan, Kamchatka, Novosibirsk, and Magadan. In many places where car owners have harsh climates, they often have to drive not only in the city but also in the countryside, where the roads are still atrocious. And you know what? Our cars make up about 5% of the total. For some reason, Japanese Toyotas COPELESSLY with our harsh conditions, yet are even MORE RELIABLE and COMFORTABLE. And if you ignore the blatant recycling fee (created solely to rip off car owners), you'll see that Toyotas are CHEAPER or EQUALLY priced compared to our cars.
    You could say, "They have more mass production and sales, so they have the money to make these cars, and at that price!" And then any Russian would respond, "Well, you might be more expensive, but at least MAKE THE SAME QUALITY." But no, we don't even try to make a car that someone gets into and knows they've got a GOOD car THAT MATCHES the price.
    Otherwise, it turns out that for its price, we are either surprised "why does this cost SO MUCH?", or it is a super-budget car in which there is NOTHING AT ALL for the budget, and as a result, it is not clear why such a car is needed at all.
    1. +1
      26 January 2026 12: 32
      You simply can't imagine the incredible cars created at AvtoVAZ! I got to see them! It's simply fantastic! I had the chance to see them back in the Soviet era. Cars that weren't shown to everyone. Not all of them made it to the assembly line. But those that did were not so fabulous. Firstly, a lot depended on the technologists. And secondly, how they assembled them on the main assembly line, and who worked there... Alcoholism and theft on AvtoVAZ's main assembly line were problems even in the USSR. Not to mention everything else. And it wasn't just the workers who stole... After the collapse of the USSR, anyone and everyone profited from AvtoVAZ. How many owners VAZ has had...
      All this oh-ohing and ah-ahing only speaks to the systemic problems of our industry as a whole. AvtoVAZ is simply in plain sight. And during the Soviet era, the best our country had was invested in AvtoVAZ. Robots and computers first appeared in domestic factories at AvtoVAZ. Imported components were still used during the Soviet era.
      And how many dying factories are there in Russia, with ancient equipment, some dating back to the 19th century (!), and workers who drink heavily and are impoverished, while the managers and owners own homes abroad and vacation on "paradise" islands? Maybe we should stop criticizing AvtoVAZ and focus on generally improving the economy of this vast country?
  67. -1
    24 January 2026 17: 46
    Quote: cast iron
    Why in a capitalist country should we all pay for the personal Mercedes of top management through billions of dollars in budget subsidies?

    What makes you think it's different in other countries? It's exactly the same there. It's just formalized in a more respectable way. Well, maybe it's different in North Korea.
  68. +1
    24 January 2026 17: 48
    Quote: LuZappa
    Driving three or four adults of normal height/build in a VAZ vehicle for more than an hour is torture.

    Torture? Start by driving a van, about 100-150 kilometers, maybe even on a dirt road.
    1. +1
      24 January 2026 18: 43
      So, both Bukhanka and AvtoVAZ are examples of negative management that changes nothing, but, taking advantage of its strategic importance, pumps billions out of the budget.
    2. 0
      26 January 2026 12: 34
      And then there was Oka... And then there was Oka...
  69. -2
    24 January 2026 18: 02
    Quote: Mustachioed Kok
    But no, we don’t even try to make a car that a person will get into and understand that he has received a GOOD car CORRESPONDING to its price tag.

    You ask why this is? I'll tell you. Why bother if they'll end up importing it anyway, if not from Europe, then from China? But when it becomes clear they won't, but it's unavoidable, then they'll find their own.
    Here's an example. After February 24, 2022, a bunch of legal specialized software was shut down. Sanctions. Piracy remains, of course, but it's not allowed everywhere. Four years have passed. And many places have already switched to their own software. Large companies have abandoned Windows and Office, even though they couldn't live without them. But what can they do? Life forced them to.
    1. +4
      24 January 2026 18: 46
      I wonder where they've gotten away from Western software if the only alternative is Western Linux? Have you tried working with these hacks yourself? I wish them success, but in reality, most people still work on Windows and Office, either pirated or unactivated.
      1. 0
        24 January 2026 20: 39
        Quote: gromila78
        I wonder where they've gotten away from Western software if the only alternative is Western Linux? Have you tried working with these hacks yourself? I wish them success, but in reality, most people still work on Windows and Office, either pirated or unactivated.

        Well, Linux isn't Western, but international. They say about 30% of the kernel code is Russian. And the deepin developers would probably be very surprised that you even called them Western. I don't know how most people work there, when they deliver a system unit with the operating system installed, and you only have permission to turn it on and off, while the company's order has an approved transition schedule, and additional software is installed upon request and approved by management. That's corporate policy. That's how it works for me in September: they delivered a system unit with Alt Workstation K, and that's it, it started working. Incidentally, I'm also writing this from a computer with Linux on board. I switched to Linux at home about five years ago.
        As for the software... Some of it is actually multi-platform, there's something for everything. Others have alternatives. As for Office... there are about five alternatives. If you don't need any specific features, it's quite sufficient.
        1. 0
          24 January 2026 21: 37
          if you don't need any specific features
          Yes, for example, you need automatic document creation like Word or Excel. P7 simply doesn't support this. And what if there are hundreds of such documents? Do you have to do it manually? And that's not even mentioning the glitches with external hardware that are plentiful in Lenukhi.
          1. 0
            25 January 2026 00: 52
            Quote: TOR2
            Yes, for example, you need to automatically create a document like Word or Excel.

            Does MS Word have something like this? I've been using it for 20 years and haven't seen such a feature. To generate something like this, you'd have to write VBA code. You can create a document using a template, but what about automatically generating hundreds? Or do you mean a document with fields, and the source for the fields is a table? Libre definitely has that. Does P7 not have a built-in language? I'm sure it does. I once generated a Word document using a template in a program running Visual FoxPro. So, most likely, you just need to get creative.
            Linux has no more glitches with external hardware than Windows. Even old hardware can work for devices that don't have drivers in Windows. You don't even have to look far. I have an old COM-USB adapter, but it only has a driver for Windows 2. It worked under Windows 7 32-bit, but not under Windows 64-bit. Any Linux system works with it.
            1. 0
              26 January 2026 12: 39
              Linux users told me that if something breaks in Linux, or something installs incorrectly, then that's it... You just have to wipe everything and reinstall all the software.
            2. +1
              26 January 2026 14: 58
              Quote: ZAV69
              Does MS Word have something like this? I've been using it for 20 years and haven't seen such a feature. To generate something like this, you'd have to write code in VBA.

              80% of the code can be recorded in macro recording mode, and then you can finish it a little yourself.
              If you didn't catch flies in computer science at school, then you'll cope.
        2. 0
          26 January 2026 10: 28
          If you don't need any specific features, then it's quite enough.

          I used a Power Point presentation analogue. Our "analogue" doesn't have the option to disable the extended screen, i.e., mirroring. After all, we're working with a pirated version, which has that feature. And I won't even mention all the "pointers" there.
        3. +1
          26 January 2026 12: 37
          ZAV69
          Any Linux, in fact, has an American kernel. Without Linus Torvalds' sneeze, no Linux will work. Well, even if Astra is supposedly domestic, all the compilers, libraries, and so on are foreign. We don't have 100% domestic software. And we won't have it for a long time. Even the persistently promoted MAX (not Max, but Max) contains Ukrainian (!) libraries.
  70. +1
    24 January 2026 18: 14
    My opinion is that the plant should be moved to the Moscow region or, at worst, to Tver. The place in Tolyatti is cursed. laughing
    Seriously speaking, such a transfer could really help. It's much easier to find the right specialists in the capital, after all, and it would foster technological competition with other industries, rather than allowing the company to rot in a satellite city. It's kind of like with trams: there was the Ust-Katav tram, which was churning out absolute crap, and then people from UKVZ founded PK TS in the capital and leased facilities in Tver, and the country finally got a modern tram manufacturer.
    1. +3
      24 January 2026 18: 53
      This is not a panacea; one can recall Moskvich, into which billions were poured under Luzhkov, and which two brothers, Armenian acrobats, brought to bankruptcy.
      1. 0
        24 January 2026 21: 14
        Back then, it was still like supporting a dead man; with cheap imported cars, hardly anyone would buy a Moskvich. Now the market situation has changed; importing an old German car is much more difficult and expensive. AvtoVAZ, for example, was saved by its fear that if such a car plant were destroyed, the city would suffer a social catastrophe, so they fed it with subsidies.
    2. 0
      24 January 2026 20: 42
      Quote: Dmitry Rigov
      Find the right IT specialists in the capital

      Well, well. They're all just buy-sell-cheat specialists there. Where are they going to find metalworking specialists if the factories are long gone?
      1. 0
        24 January 2026 21: 11
        In any case, it's much easier to recruit from the Moscow region than from Tolyatti or Samara. Labor mobility and logistics are now a crucial aspect of development. China, for example, has also located auto factories in densely populated areas along the coast.
        1. 0
          26 January 2026 12: 45
          Those people from the Moscow suburbs won't work at that plant of yours. They'd be better off commuting to Moscow offices on commuter trains and in their own cars. AvtoVAZ already had a labor migration program with good incentives. But there weren't many people willing to take it.
    3. 0
      26 January 2026 12: 43
      Dmitry Rigov
      Yeah, move it... Roll out some Chekhov or, better yet, Podolsk with asphalt rollers, copy AvtoVAZ and paste it. Control-C - Control-V. And after this miracle is completed, arrange a complete default for the Russian economy. First, take a tour of AvtoVAZ, before writing nonsense.
  71. 0
    24 January 2026 18: 53
    900 billion rubles could buy a team of world-class developers, from friendly countries, of course.

    Very funny! And who are these friendly countries? North Korea, Afghanistan, Iran, Venezuela—real "developers." And what does the auto industry have to do with it? Whatever industry you look at—from toilet paper to airplanes—it's all the same. We have such a mentality that even Comrade Stalin couldn't change anything. He imprisoned and shot us, but to no avail. We have our own path, and we must walk it with dignity, with our heads held high.
    1. 0
      26 January 2026 12: 47
      Yes, but it was our tanks and planes that won the war. And then, if we take Korea, which planes were shot down more – Soviet MiG-15s or all the Americans combined? You've simply never sat in the cockpit of a Soviet or Russian military aircraft.
  72. +3
    24 January 2026 19: 03
    A bucket of nuts and bolts has always been a steal – $5. Incidentally, there was a period in the early 00s when they cost less than $3. Anything above that should be shove by VAZ management, you know where. After all, cars haven't changed much technologically in 25 years. The import partners left, and then ABS and exhaust gas catalytic converters disappeared. And then Euro-0 returned.
  73. +3
    24 January 2026 20: 07
    Quote: Konnick
    In favor of the auto industry? The war is on...

    Apparently, the recycling fee benefits domestic car manufacturers, not the military defense forces. And if they need to go to war, the authorities should say so. And in general, stop pretending nothing's happening.
    1. +1
      24 January 2026 20: 32
      I'm afraid it's more complicated.
      Yes, it is possible to pay wages in war bonds, but I am afraid that this will be perceived much worse than raising tariffs and prices.
  74. +1
    24 January 2026 20: 33
    Quote: ZAV69
    First, take a loaf of bread, about 100-150 kilometers, and you don’t even have to use a dirt road.

    Well, I don't really see a loaf of bread as a civilian vehicle. You might as well ask me to drive a tank...
    1. 0
      24 January 2026 21: 32
      Quote: LuZappa
      Well, I don’t really consider a loaf of bread as a civilian car.

      Well, then Rostelecom is a military structure. Where's my machine gun? I don't have it... I don't even have a pistol...
  75. 0
    24 January 2026 20: 34
    Quote: Russian_Ninja
    Yes, it is possible to pay salaries in war bonds.

    Unfortunately, it is not possible yet.
    1. +1
      24 January 2026 21: 38
      Quote: LuZappa
      Unfortunately, it's not possible yet.

      Are you ready to start with yourself and receive your salary in bonds instead of cash? How will you support your family?
  76. 0
    24 January 2026 21: 56
    Quote: gromila78
    Quote: LuZappa
    Unfortunately, it's not possible yet.

    Are you ready to start with yourself and receive your salary in bonds instead of cash? How will you support your family?

    I might be willing to give up some of my income if asked, but I'd be honest about where the money will go. I might even be willing to buy some military equipment for the front. But first, I'd have to admit there's a war going on and a front.
    1. +2
      24 January 2026 22: 10
      At the present time we are forced to give part of our income to the maintenance of VAZ.
  77. +1
    24 January 2026 22: 23
    Quote: gromila78
    At the present time we are forced to give part of our income to the maintenance of VAZ.

    But there are some objections here. Although, of course, not everyone is forced to do so, only those who buy new cars.

    I wanted to buy a new car a couple of years ago. And I had the money. But my son talked me out of it. I work remotely, and my annual mileage is less than 3,000 kilometers. So, I'm driving a 13-year-old junk car. I could buy a new one, even with the new recycling fee...
  78. 0
    25 January 2026 00: 15
    If you analyze everything, the plant's products, the funds allocated to it, interviews with managers and officials regarding the plant, etc., then you get the feeling that huge financial resources have been being embezzled there for a very long time...!!!
  79. +1
    26 January 2026 07: 24
    Quote: Bad_gr
    KATE LLC: specializes in the development and production of original automatic transmissions, including 9-speed automatic transmissions for Aurus line vehicles

    "Aurus" is an excellent "mule" for bringing new technologies to fruition; in theory, this is its main purpose - an experimental platform.
  80. -1
    26 January 2026 11: 34
    This is the second time in recent times.Yaroslavna's howl"About AvtoVAZ. Affftar, with enviable consistency and liberal stubbornness, proposes killing the only remaining auto plant in Russia capable of assembling cars independently, rather than from foreign "Legos." If we continue with his logic, then everything else should be cut, too. So what? UAC plants make "worthless Superjets," etc. Here's what afffftar suggests:
    1. "Is it possible not to give the subsidies (essentially non-refundable) to Tolyatti, but to spend them on the development of a modern, inexpensive and safe car?"I wonder who's going to develop them? 'Spherical genius constructors in a vacuum'? Yeah, and let's not forget about Fedorov's fee for his empty and illiterate articles."
    2. 'Make a car for the average Russian"Isn't the Lada Granta the same? Yeah, it's a bit small, it falls apart, it rusts. But maybe it should just be improved? Huh? Affftar?
    3. 'And if it works out, then we can send it for export."You'll be surprised, but the Lada Granta is exported. Even to the wealthy Emirates. I personally saw one in Cairo with Egyptian license plates."
    4. 'There are sites for release within Russia"Yeah, so what else can you do at these sites besides screw things together? Affftar has never even seen a picture of a factory, and he has no idea what the difference is between a tiny assembly plant and a gigantic, almost fully operational one. Well, I get it, affftar is offering to scrap all the equipment from a giant factory, purchased over decades, and apparently wants to profit from it himself: there are plenty of defecting European and Asian brands.
    5. 'You can hire a team of world-class developers" - apparently, disrespected mister Fedorov It's unknown what they've already hired. When they were making the Lada HRAU and Lada Vesta. Incidentally, the Vesta turned out to be a truly world-class car. And it's no shame for its developers that the factory couldn't produce it at a truly world-class level.
    Maybe we should stop this silly pipe dreaming and just mind our own business? Maybe we'll even find some truly smart managers for our industry then? Anyone can kick AvtoVAZ, but have you ever done anything useful in your life? And someone has to bring some order to the country, too!
  81. +1
    26 January 2026 14: 53
    Technologically, Togliatti's automakers are decades behind global leaders. The list of things that AvtoVAZ can't produce independently is modest. First up is the automatic transmission.

    The author confuses the assembly and design of machines and the network of suppliers that produce spare parts.
    Tolyatti does not produce spare parts and can only make a car from what already exists.
    What's already there? No transmissions, no quality seats, no full electrics, no sufficiently high-quality hardware, no bearings. Oh, right! We have our own tires! It's foolish to hold one plant responsible for the destruction of an entire industry. It can only build a car from what's available, but there are other questions to be answered: why did the plant, with its colossal market advantages for decades, completely fail to retool? Why is it constantly on subsidies? Why didn't it build a stable order to form a group of its own high-quality suppliers who sell high-quality components for rubles? Why did they launch a program bringing in hundreds of valuable Tajiks to the plant, only to have them quit immediately after receiving all the benefits? The plant's management is largely to blame for this. The problem also lies in the massive theft that has been going on for decades.
    1. 0
      26 January 2026 22: 19
      With the money being poured into it, VAZ could have long ago bought out most of its subcontractors. Another question is why the subcontractors went bankrupt if their products should be in demand, and why isn't anyone establishing component production in Russia, given that VAZ accounts for over 50% of the market and should be profitable?
      1. +1
        27 January 2026 08: 03
        Quote: gromila78
        With the money that is being poured into it, VAZ could have bought out most of its subcontractors long ago.

        A very bad idea. Perhaps some separate critical production could be done, like gearbox production, but a car really does have a million parts. Are you going to buy them all? Will it still be a hassle? And how do you manage them? We need to do it differently – regulate them through long-term contracts and thoroughly check them, conduct audits, offer truly lucrative contracts, and not "optimize" everything possible. Read how Tirpitz revived the shipping industry in Germany; his book describes it in detail.

        Quote: gromila78
        Another question is why the subcontractors went bankrupt if their products should be in demand.

        Because the average production profitability is 6-8%, inflation is 20%+, and speculative capital, which can simply destroy production, has a profitability of tens of percent or more. Some kind of regulatory measures are needed to level the playing field. Add loans, taxes, and a ton of regulations—a ton of problems for production, a ton of risks, and the payoff is worthless.

        Quote: gromila78
        Why doesn't anyone establish component production in Russia, given that VAZ occupies more than 50% of the market and it should be profitable?

        Well, first of all, VAZ would be lucky if it had 20% of the market. Look at who sells what. But that's not the point. If it can make something high-quality at a reasonable price, it could easily take over half.
        For example, take a Solaris or Honda Civic platform, attach some kind of body with good galvanization and Volga-quality finishing, implement a quality control program for the assembly, and the car will be eagerly bought in large numbers.
        But here's where the scheme breaks down - the management team is focused not on the overall result, but on their own bonuses, and optimization and kickbacks begin.
        In our country, "businesses" try to make a profit by withdrawing funds from the enterprise, while in the West, they do so by increasing the market value of the business itself and its shares. That's the key difference.
        Where investments are made abroad, here they'll simply siphon off the money to offshore accounts. They'll steal depreciation, modernization, and social funds, and squander working capital on unfavorable contracts through kickbacks. And then they'll start talking about the industry's difficulties.
        1. +1
          27 January 2026 14: 00
          The problem is that, without retaining its subcontractors or its own production facilities, the plant simply began purchasing components from China, often of the cheapest and lowest quality. What I was talking about is the buyout of the most critical production facilities for VAZ, which could be managed by creating subsidiaries.
          I'm no expert on VAZ, but I have a case study of a diesel engine manufacturer. In the mid-2010s, effective managers decided that in-house component production (bearings, piston rings, injectors, etc.) wasn't profitable, so they cut production and sold about half the plant's land for development. While it was possible to buy high-quality components in Europe (rings and injectors, as far as I remember, from Germany) with an adequate ruble exchange rate, and before the sanctions were imposed, everything was fine. But as soon as they started installing Chinese components, not a single diesel engine lasted the required service life before a major overhaul, and the plant was swamped with warranty repairs. But in-house production isn't so easy to restore.
          The situation is similar for VAZ: when it had access to cheap European imported components, things were going more or less well, but as soon as access was cut off, a steep decline began.
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            27 January 2026 15: 42
            Quote: gromila78
            without retaining subcontractors

            There are no adjacent properties. They have different owners and are not united in any way.
            Quote: gromila78
            The plant simply started purchasing components from China, and the cheapest and lowest quality ones at that.

            In some places it's justified, in others it's not. For example, mud flaps or rubber seals, headlights, hardware, seats, gearboxes—you can easily find affordable and high-quality parts in China. In fact, I think you could fit about half your car there if you pay attention to quality, rather than just squeezing pennies by buying the cheapest options.
            Moreover, many Chinese suppliers are willing to improve quality for the sake of future prospects, as happened with trucks. For 15 years, they faced a flood of complaints, but... most of the problems were corrected, and now Chinese trucks are quite competitive with German ones, not in terms of bells and whistles and comfort, but in terms of reliability.
            Quote: gromila78
            As soon as they started installing Chinese components, not a single diesel engine lasted its allotted service life before a major overhaul, and the company was swamped with repairs to warranty items.

            China is certainly a sly bunch, but if your purchasing departments worked properly, meticulously understanding what they were buying and the terms like Soviet specialists, this problem wouldn't exist. As I've already said, you can negotiate with the Chinese even by imposing production conditions where possible.
            Quote: gromila78
            VAZ has the same picture: when there was access to cheap European imports of components, things went well

            I'm afraid you're mistaken. Double overpayment due to the ruble exchange rate, lack of investment funds, etc. Things were going well, nothing more or less. The situation with China is different – ​​we can get components at a reasonable price, we just need to establish cooperation on quality, but no one wants to do that. Everyone wants a finished product with a bow.
            This is the level of OUR governance. It's just that Europe lived very comfortably for a long time and could afford the level of quality control and control of Samsung, which spends half its profits on it. But now production in Europe is in disarray, and quality levels are gradually declining. This is already noticeable. And, I repeat, we shouldn't be chasing a miracle solution to our problems, but rather building pragmatic cooperation ourselves. For example, Belarusians would be happy if we told them we'd buy high-quality bearings for 30 years straight.
            We ourselves don't even have anything thriving within ourselves - all that exists is production within government contracts, where no one invests their own money, no one is responsible for anything.
  82. 0
    26 January 2026 19: 15
    Five different models in production is a waste of money. We need to get rid of the Vesta, the old Niva, the Largus, and even the Granta. Keep the Iskra and Niva Travel for now. And why the hell did this idiot start building a Lada Azimuth on the Vesta model when he bought the Logan platform for a fortune?
    1. +1
      26 January 2026 22: 20
      AvtoVAZ should ideally produce an A-class minivan like the Mitsubishi Colt, a sedan/station wagon like the Lada Vesta, and a family compact van based on its platform. And a new generation of the NIVA. And at affordable prices, not 1.5 million rubles.
      1. 0
        27 January 2026 08: 09
        Quote: cast iron
        Moreover, at affordable prices, and not for 1.5 multipliers.

        Price is a matter of business development and success, its scalability
        But couldn't they at least do high-quality galvanizing and assembly? Even if it's expensive, at least they do it well where they can. The problem is that TAZ has problems everywhere, and they're not being addressed.
        Take a windshield supplier, for example. A quarter of their work goes to assembly—damaged parts. Where's the quality control? Is that so complicated? A trained employee only needs a minute to inspect them and draw a conclusion.
  83. +1
    27 January 2026 10: 25
    The article raises questions, primarily about the state and the need to purge it of the liberal establishment, which doesn't want anything decent in Russia. They're willing to bury money by any means necessary, and there's nothing new since the Industrial Party trial in 1936. All of the above measures can be implemented and implemented at AvtoVAZ. We'll find people with the brains and the will.
  84. -1
    27 January 2026 12: 36
    Portrait of a typical Lada buyer for 2,5 million
    1. +2
      27 January 2026 15: 47
      You're wrong, that portrait most likely drives an annoyingly tuned Chinese electric car.
      Our driver looks more like this
      1. +1
        28 January 2026 00: 33
        Our driver looks more like this


        Your driver drives a hand-built Aurus, and before that, he drove a Mercedes Pullman. And his buddies drive cars just as good as the ones listed above.
    2. 0
      28 January 2026 00: 32
      That's right. The only explanation for buying a VAZ for 2.5 million rubles is fatal, congenital cognitive impairment...
  85. 0
    27 January 2026 18: 03
    In Soviet times, there was a magazine called "Fitil." They showed a washing machine factory (Riga brand). As the announcer said, there was virtually no difference between the 1st and 10th models (a barrel with an impeller to spin the water and an attachment with two shafts for squeezing). Over several decades, only the color and the nameplate changed. When I asked why they continue to produce old machines, the answer was, "Why change anything? People will buy this." This isn't the first time I've driven from Moscow to the North Caucasus. There are a lot of VAZs of various modifications outside of Moscow. And it seems people buy them because of their relative cheapness, availability, and the availability of spare parts.
  86. +1
    27 January 2026 18: 36
    Answer to the question in the title:
    1. Half the country will breathe a sigh of relief.
    2. Russia will have another chance to create a modern automobile production from scratch.
    3. Several fat officials will fly off their heated soft chairs.
  87. +1
    27 January 2026 19: 12
    Quote: Vasily))
    I completely disagree with the author, on everything. AvtoVAZ makes decent cars. They're the cheapest and quite reliable. They're not super-featured, but they do the basic job of a car perfectly. This is OUR manufacturer, OUR expertise and independence, and so many people. The fuel consumption of all this over-the-top bourgeois junk is the same or even higher than that of a VAZ. And cast-iron blocks with a closed water jacket are nowhere to be found in the global auto industry anymore (up to 3 liters on gasoline engines). So what will these foreign show-offs turn into after 100 kilometers? A misery that will be sold to our own citizens.
    At AvtoVAZ, they're already starting to galvanize their bodies and work on other issues. If AvtoVAZ gets the impression that it makes high-quality cars—and that's entirely achievable, given its proven technical solutions that give them a service life of nearly a million kilometers—then it will truly take over the market. Foreign manufacturers don't need a million kilometers; they're currently deliberately limiting service life to 100-150 kilometers. Needless to say, the foreign auto industry is so advanced. AvtoVAZ, with its emphasis on quality and simplicity, will push them all into the background. And they make expensive things.

    You just haven't seen "normal" cars. You know the Indian parable about three blind men who were given turns touching one's trunk, another's tail, and the third's leg? And they were asked to describe what an elephant is. Just because a bucket of nuts and bolts appears and moves doesn't mean it's a good car.
  88. 0
    27 January 2026 19: 43
    Quote: "This was Grunenkov's response to a blogger's question about whether it would be possible to build a BMW 5-series model in Tolyatti."
    What the f@ck, a BMW 5 Series! If I remember correctly, before 2014, the best-selling car was either the Shah or the 7 Series. Because it's cheap, and you can get your butt from point A to point B... Now in Greater Erephia, the standard of living of workers has risen so much that everyone will rush to buy a BMW 5 Series equivalent!?... No, of course, if you need it, you can buy a Rolls-Royce Boat Tail. :)
    1. 0
      28 January 2026 00: 35
      Did you watch all the interviews? Did you know what Grunenkov said about the constant development and improvement of models, technologies, and quality? He bluntly stated that AvtoVAZ has given up on development.
  89. 0
    28 January 2026 15: 24
    VAZ has long been a feeding trough for people like Kadannikov. And someone very serious is protecting this gang. That's why there won't be an automatic transmission, and you'll be driving whatever they tell you to.
  90. 0
    28 January 2026 20: 26
    Whatever happens, whatever happens! Nothing happens!!! You read the comments and think, "So many specialists," but just as modern Russia has never had its own decent passenger cars, there still aren't any in sight. They're again asking for specialists from abroad, for funding for some projects. Haven't they ever tried working and creating these cars like the Chinese? They laughed at them, and now the world is inundated with these cars for every taste, and they're sold like sunflower seeds. So much so that practically no country bothers with "AvtoVAZ problems," except for those countries that can truly make them well. Apparently, our problem really is the result of too much intelligence, whose energy is wasted on pseudo-scientific research that's long been known to the world and implemented in hardware, projects, clusters, and other tools for embezzling money. Our main principle when they want to revive something is, "Go ahead, Shura, go ahead..."
    1. 0
      29 January 2026 20: 32
      [quote] It seems that we are truly suffering from a misfortune caused by an overly large mind, the energy of which is spent on pseudo-scientific research that has long been known to the world and implemented in hardware, projects, clusters and other tools for cutting up money. [quote]
      If only this energy were used for peaceful purposes...
    2. 0
      29 January 2026 20: 40
      It seems we truly have a problem with excessive intelligence. We're wasting energy on pseudo-scientific research that's long been known and already implemented. We're talking about projects, clusters, and other tools for allocating resources.

      This energy, yes for peaceful purposes ...
  91. 0
    29 January 2026 20: 28
    Nothing will happen. Just like now. All that's left are the cars from the 80s. And people have already experienced comfort and convenience, as well as reliability, not the occasional roadside repairs.
  92. 0
    2 February 2026 09: 28
    If only AvtoVAZ. Any structure, no matter where you look, is ineffective and unprofitable, because it works to enrich a small group at the top. Take Gazprom, for example. A sluggish structure that does whatever it can, to the detriment of its direct functions. And spends exorbitant amounts of money on it. It's the same with Sber. They interfere wherever they can, and again, they waste money, at the expense of their direct operations. The Ministry of Defense... All this is the result of incompetent government management, which can be summed up in one phrase: It sank!