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Assistant Minister of Defense of Spain died at an air show near Madrid

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Assistant Minister of Defense of Spain died at an air show near MadridAt the helm of the Hispano HA-200 Saeta light jet aircraft, which crashed at an air show near Madrid, was the Assistant Minister of Defense of the country.


According to Vesti, the pilot, whose name was not named, participated in NATO combat missions during operations in Libya.

Recall that the Saeta aircraft belonging to the class historical aircraft, performed various acrobatic figures during a demonstration flight. During one of them, the plane crashed into the airport hangar for unknown reasons and exploded.

According to RIA "News”, Medical assistance was needed for three police officers, 5 airfield employees and 10 guests of the air show.

After the accident, the airport, which is eight kilometers from Madrid and is used for civilian and military purposes, was temporarily closed.

Initiated an investigation.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 May 2013 10: 37 New
    +5
    And he died on such a rare bird. Another pilot took the sky ... Sorry.
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 10: 46 New
    +4
    Bombed Libya means .... what can I say, there is justice in this world.
    Though not so good about the dead.
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 May 2013 10: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      ..well what can I say, there is justice in this world.

      He is a military man. And followed orders. Do not interfere with the policy. If he committed war crimes - then another thing.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 11: 02 New
        +7
        Quote: Akim
        He is a military man. And followed orders.

        I think he gave them away, the bird is then a high-flying hi And secondly, can you tell the same about the Georgian soldiers who were pushing our peacekeepers point blank? Well, what, they also carried out the order
        Libya is a war crime, just like Iraq and Syria and Yugoslavia and Vietnam, the list goes on hi
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 7 May 2013 11: 42 New
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          can you say the same about the Georgian soldiers who were pushing our peacekeepers point blank?

          Sasha, this is where the draping Georgians finished off our soldiers?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Old_Kapitan

            Sasha, this is where the draping Georgians finished off our soldiers?

            They snarled later, at first they advanced and attacked the positions of peacekeepers for almost three days.
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan 7 May 2013 13: 52 New
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              They snarled later, at first they advanced and attacked the positions of peacekeepers for almost three days.

              I get it. You're right. I ask the moderators to delete my post "Today, 13: 49"
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 7 May 2013 12: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            this is where the draping Georgians finished off our soldiers?

            19.08.2008

            Georgian military intentionally killed Russian peacekeepers

            08:20 Izvestia

            The Investigative Committee at the Russian Prosecutor’s Office has evidence that the Georgian military deliberately sought out peacekeepers during the conflict in South Ossetia, said the deputy chairman of the UPC, the head of the military investigation department, Major General Justice Sorochkin.

            "Indeed, the investigation has evidence of the intentional killing of peacekeepers," Sorochkin said in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta, published on Monday.

            “So, when examining one of the bodies of the Russian military, two through bullet wounds were found on it. The first, not fatal in the leg. The second in the head. The inlet is located in the parietal region of the head, and the outlet is under the chin. It indicates a close range shooting the fact that traces of burns with powder gases were found around the inlet, "he noted.

            Touching upon the deadlines for the completion of the preliminary investigation in the criminal case instituted into the murder of Russian peacekeepers, the UPC deputy chairman said: “I believe that in this situation it’s necessary not only to quickly fix the traces of the crimes, but also, just as importantly, to carefully formulate the results obtained "Given both of these criteria, we are approaching the investigation of this criminal case."

            According to Alexander Sorochkin, today about 80 military investigators and forensic investigators from all over Russia work in the investigation team, Interfax reports. They have 20 mobile forensic laboratories at their disposal, and a large group of forensic experts from the Russian Defense Ministry has been involved.

            "At the moment, our employees are conducting primary investigative actions: examining the crime scene, interrogating witnesses. Only the wounded peacekeepers evacuated from South Ossetia have questioned more than 30 people. Several tens of bodies have been examined. Examinations have been ordered," he added.

            Taken from here http://www.un-museum.ru/vestnik/351.htm#3
            1. Engineer Schukin
              Engineer Schukin 7 May 2013 12: 19 New
              -7
              Yeah, 2500 dead !!! 11 Grenades thrown into the cellars !! 11
              The truth then had to refute these stuffing, after which the looting of the toilet remained in the sediment, gg
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 7 May 2013 12: 16 New
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            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            draping Georgians finished off our soldiers

            And here is another link to the forum, I will not quote here, a lot. Hope to read without me.
            http://www.politforums.ru/foreign/1218626217.html
            1. Old_kapitan
              Old_kapitan 7 May 2013 13: 59 New
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              Thanks, too. Of course I will. I just misunderstood a little and wrote not about the prehistory, but about how the Georgians washed the withers.
          4. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 7 May 2013 13: 49 New
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            Guys, explain here - why minus? After all, it’s a fact - Georgians were rattling like pissed cats. But running away impossible to finish!
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        3. il grand casino
          il grand casino 7 May 2013 14: 16 New
          +1
          But unless they finished off the wounded, didn’t they commit a war crime? ... So these do not fit the category of military men doing their duty
      2. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 14: 40 New
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        Quote: Akim
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ..well what can I say, there is justice in this world.

        He is a military man. And followed orders. Do not interfere with the policy. If he committed war crimes - then another thing.

        War criminal got what he deserved! And here are the criminal orders to bobbish the peaceful population and the sovereign state under far-fetched pretexts?
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 May 2013 15: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          And here, criminal orders to bobbish the peaceful population and sovereign state under far-fetched pretexts

          The UN sanction determined that the pretexts were not far-fetched. And the fact that he is a war criminal is your unreasonable opinion. There is evidence - please go to the frontal place. Tired when the evaluation give demagogues. Tomorrow they will give you an order and you will refuse to fulfill it, citing moral principles? Do not balabolte - and be professional. Do not judge everything at the level of emotions. You need to be more calm in your opinions and express them soberly. War is work. Dirty, vile, but work, and if he, as a SOLDIER, honestly performed it, then what is his fault? It is necessary to judge politicians, including your Dmitry Anatolyevich.
          1. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 15: 31 New
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            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            And here, criminal orders to bobbish the peaceful population and sovereign state under far-fetched pretexts

            The UN sanction determined that the pretexts were not far-fetched. And the fact that he is a war criminal is your unreasonable opinion. There is evidence - please go to the frontal place. Tired when the evaluation give demagogues. Tomorrow they will give you an order and you will refuse to fulfill it, citing moral principles? Do not balabolte - and be professional. Do not judge everything at the level of emotions. You need to be more calm in your opinions and express them soberly. War is work. Dirty, vile, but work, and if he, as a SOLDIER, honestly performed it, then what is his fault? It is necessary to judge politicians, including your Dmitry Anatolyevich.

            I won’t fulfill the criminal order, I have my mind and my values ​​and moral principles, of course, and I’m not going to kill innocent children and women either by order or otherwise. You yourself are a demagogue and a chatterbox, well, a balabol of course. And most importantly, this “pseudo” hero of yours did not even defend his country, but attacked a sovereign state - that’s why he is not just a war criminal, but a typical killer! Evidence is all in the media! I’m silent about the UN - the manual organ of the United States - the same is my proof. Do not be clever if there is nothing! Found calm.
            1. Akim
              Akim 7 May 2013 15: 44 New
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              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              Found calm

              Yes, calm, because I was in the army for a long time. Unfortunately, there is no war without civilian casualties. Or only militants and soldiers of federal forces died in Chechnya?
              As for not fulfilling orders. If you refused to fulfill my order in combat conditions, I would have shot you. Orders that oppose conventions on the rules of war are considered criminal. I, as a person, am also afraid of a vile attack on Gaddafi, but as the one who wears (wore) epaulets, I do not blame the military themselves.
  3. JonnyT
    JonnyT 7 May 2013 11: 25 New
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    Or maybe they killed? I knew a lot about Libya, a high post, and it's strange that suddenly crashed into a hangar
    1. Volkh
      Volkh 7 May 2013 13: 59 New
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      It is not unexpected, the video shows what happened `` stalling '' the aircraft. There is a pilot error
  4. Akim
    Akim 7 May 2013 11: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Tell the Georgian soldiers pushing our peacekeepers point blank?

    This is a war crime. If there is evidence, file it with the international court, rather than blow the air. And then this is from the series of propaganda as our soldiers raped a million Germans in the spring of the 45th.
    As for Libya, as far as I remember, "Mr. Tweeter" gave Russia's consent to this.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 11: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: Akim
      . If there is evidence, file it with the international court,

      In what, what court ????? This is the court that condemns the Serbs one by one and lets go of scumbags, do not tell.
      There is video evidence, there is a photo, there is other evidence and that's it. Time will come and everyone will answer for everything.
      1. Akim
        Akim 7 May 2013 11: 38 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is the court that condemns the Serbs one by one and lets go, do not tell.

        This is a political blunder of modern Russia. It is necessary to insist otherwise in the information war you can lose to the whole world.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 12: 07 New
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          Quote: Akim
          It is necessary to insist otherwise in the information war one can lose to the whole world.

          In a corrupt court of truth, do not whip!
          1. Akim
            Akim 7 May 2013 12: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In a corrupt court of truth, do not whip!

            Basmanny in Moscow and Pechersky in Kiev at the same level. But this is already moving away from the military theme.
      2. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 7 May 2013 12: 03 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There is video evidence, there is a photo, there are other evidence and that’s all.

        for what?
  5. lilit.193
    lilit.193 7 May 2013 11: 26 New
    +1
    Sorry for him of course, but nefig was show off!
  6. pensioner
    pensioner 7 May 2013 12: 08 New
    +1
    According to Vesti, the pilot, whose name was not named, participated in NATO combat missions during operations in Libya.

    A little eagle flew off.
  7. USNik
    USNik 7 May 2013 12: 29 New
    +2
    Yesterday, in the news on the Ukrainian channel 1 + 1, the presenter said that the "fixed-wing" (cargo-Ukrainian) plane, performing an aerobatics (!), Crashed. How can you confuse aerobatic and virtual ... hand-to-face ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 May 2013 12: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: USNik
      How can you confuse aerobatic and virtual ... hand-to-face ...

      For her, this is higher mathematics, like a “distributor” or “ignition coil”. What was heard in the headset, she blurted out.
  8. waisson
    waisson 7 May 2013 12: 48 New
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    not only do our generals crash planes, and they have a higher crew trying to show their self in the sky, having lost their flight training, but the sky does not forgive mistakes
  9. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 7 May 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    What is everyone so harnessed for Libya? Gaddafi financed Islamic geeks around the world, for which he received a well-deserved punishment. And the pilot is sorry.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 7 May 2013 14: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Gaddafi funded Islamic geeks around the world

      This is when this French president Sarkozy became an "Islamic geek"?
  10. Vtel
    Vtel 7 May 2013 13: 45 New
    -1
    Yes, he could become a minister. The show will not bring to good, it would fly low and there would be nothing.
  11. gispanec
    gispanec 7 May 2013 13: 49 New
    -1
    A man, a pilot, a military man in a peaceful sky died ... and you mix politics where you can and cannot !!
  12. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 15: 52 New
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    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Found calm

    Yes, calm, because I was in the army for a long time. Unfortunately, there is no war without civilian casualties. Or only militants and soldiers of federal forces died in Chechnya?
    As for not fulfilling orders. If you refused to fulfill my order in combat conditions, I would have shot you. Orders that oppose conventions on the rules of war are considered criminal. I, as a person, am also afraid of a vile attack on Gaddafi, but as the one who wears (wore) epaulets, I do not blame the military themselves.

    Everyone was in the army. But this does not mean that everyone should think alike! I strongly disagree with you. Listen to you so if you gave the order to shoot your family or close friends would you follow this order? I strongly doubt it. So there is no need for bravado. She’s such a life, often does not give unambiguous answers!
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 May 2013 16: 00 New
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      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      if you gave the order to shoot your family or close friends would you fulfill this order?

      These are criminal orders and failure to comply with it is your direct right. The deliberate destruction of the civilian population is subject to criminal liability. They did not deliberately bomb civilian areas. The objects of destruction were the military infrastructure. The fact that intelligence with data sometimes messed up is another matter.
  13. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 17: 10 New
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    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    if you gave the order to shoot your family or close friends would you fulfill this order?

    These are criminal orders and failure to comply with it is your direct right. The deliberate destruction of the civilian population is subject to criminal liability. They did not deliberately bomb civilian areas. The objects of destruction were the military infrastructure. The fact that intelligence with data sometimes messed up is another matter.

    Are there any criminal orders? So there are war criminals? But to bomb an innocent country or a network is a crime, and those who do this are criminals? The Nazis attacked our country, we defeated and tried them, and tried only for the killing of civilians or for our soldiers? How is the current situation different? Do not hide behind a criminal order and the fact that you are just a soldier ... just a killer of innocent people and soldiers, or soldiers are not people?))
    1. Akim
      Akim 7 May 2013 17: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Are there any criminal orders? So there are war criminals? But to bomb an innocent country or a network is a crime, and those who do this are criminals? The Nazis attacked our country, we defeated and tried them, and tried only for the killing of civilians or for our soldiers? How is the current situation different? Do not hide behind a criminal order and the fact that you are just a soldier ... just a killer of innocent people and soldiers, or soldiers are not people?))

      I already said above about this with Alexander Romanov
      If there is evidence, file it with the international court, rather than blow the air.

      You do not compare the attack on the USSR with Libya. Absolutely diametrical situation. As for the Nyurber trial, they were tried for actions against humanity and tried for the incorrect and brutal conduct of the war. Believe me, the Western press wrote even more about the brutality of federal troops in Chechnya. This is also a kind of war. I had to prove for a long time in the English-language forum that the "hazing" is not such a terrible monster, as journalists describe it. For they, too, consider us barbarians.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 17: 33 New
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        Alexander Romanov also answered you about the trial - I fully agree with him, but these are generally obvious things, as you do not understand? Why shouldn't I compare? Because the time is different? But moral principles for a normal person are always primary, regardless of time and orders. Wake up, you justify the crime with orders, as you yourself wrote above.
        1. Akim
          Akim 7 May 2013 17: 37 New
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          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Wake up, you justify the crime by orders,

          I do not see a crime in the actions of the Spanish military in Libya. Qatar commandos - I agree.
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