Assistant Minister of Defense of Spain died at an air show near Madrid

At the helm of the Hispano HA-200 Saeta light jet aircraft, which crashed at an air show near Madrid, was the Assistant Minister of Defense of the country.

According to Vesti, the pilot, whose name was not named, participated in NATO combat missions during operations in Libya.

Recall that the Saeta aircraft belonging to the class historical aircraft, performed various acrobatic figures during a demonstration flight. During one of them, the plane crashed into the airport hangar for unknown reasons and exploded.

According to RIA "News”, Medical assistance was needed for three police officers, 5 airfield employees and 10 guests of the air show.

After the accident, the airport, which is eight kilometers from Madrid and is used for civilian and military purposes, was temporarily closed.

Initiated an investigation.

Comments

[svp67]

And he died on such a rare bird. Another pilot took the sky ... Sorry.

[Alexander Romanov]

Bombed Libya means .... what can I say, there is justice in this world.
Though not so good about the dead.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

..well what can I say, there is justice in this world.

He is a military man. And followed orders. Do not interfere with the policy. If he committed war crimes - then another thing.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Akim

He is a military man. And followed orders.

I think he gave them away, the bird is then a high-flying And secondly, can you tell the same about the Georgian soldiers who were pushing our peacekeepers point blank? Well, what, they also carried out the order
Libya is a war crime, just like Iraq and Syria and Yugoslavia and Vietnam, the list goes on

[Old_kapitan]

can you say the same about the Georgian soldiers who were pushing our peacekeepers point blank?

Sasha, this is where the draping Georgians finished off our soldiers?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Sasha, this is where the draping Georgians finished off our soldiers?

They snarled later, at first they advanced and attacked the positions of peacekeepers for almost three days.

[Old_kapitan]

They snarled later, at first they advanced and attacked the positions of peacekeepers for almost three days.

Got it. You're right. I ask the moderators to delete my post "Today, 13:49"

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

this is where the draping Georgians finished off our soldiers?

19.08.2008

Georgian military intentionally killed Russian peacekeepers

08:20 "Izvestia"

The Investigative Committee at the Russian Prosecutor’s Office has evidence that the Georgian military deliberately sought out peacekeepers during the conflict in South Ossetia, said the deputy chairman of the UPC, the head of the military investigation department, Major General Justice Sorochkin.

"Indeed, the investigation has evidence of the premeditated killing of peacekeepers," Sorochkin said in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta published on Monday.

"So, when examining one of the bodies of Russian servicemen, two bullet wounds were found on it. The first, not fatal in the leg. The second, in the head. The inlet is located in the parietal region of the head, and the outlet is under the chin." the fact that traces of burns with powder gases were found around the inlet, "he noted.

Referring to the timing of the completion of the preliminary investigation in the criminal case opened into the murder of Russian peacekeepers, the deputy chairman of the UPC said: “I believe that in this situation it is necessary not only to quickly fix the traces of crimes, but also, which is no less important, to scrupulously approach the registration of the results Taking into account both of these criteria, we approach the investigation of this criminal case. "

As noted by Alexander Sorochkin, about 80 military investigators and criminologists from all over Russia are currently working in the investigation team, Interfax reports. They have 20 mobile forensic laboratories at their disposal, and a large group of forensic experts from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is involved.

"At the moment, our employees are carrying out primary investigative actions: examination of the crime scene, interrogation of witnesses. Only the wounded peacekeepers evacuated from South Ossetia have been interrogated more than 30 people. Several dozen bodies of the dead have been examined. Expert examinations have been appointed," he added.

Taken from here http://www.un-museum.ru/vestnik/351.htm#3

[Engineer Schukin]

Yeah, 2500 dead !!! 11 Grenades thrown into the cellars !! 11
The truth then had to refute these stuffing, after which the looting of the toilet remained in the sediment, gg

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

draping Georgians finished off our soldiers

And here is another link to the forum, I will not quote here, a lot. Hope to read without me.
http://www.politforums.ru/foreign/1218626217.html

[Old_kapitan]

Thanks, too. Of course I will. I just misunderstood a little and wrote not about the prehistory, but about how the Georgians washed the withers.

[Old_kapitan]

Guys, explain here - why minus? After all, it’s a fact - Georgians were rattling like pissed cats. But running away impossible to finish!

[il grand casino]

But unless they finished off the wounded, didn’t they commit a war crime? ... So these do not fit the category of military men doing their duty

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Alexander Romanov

..well what can I say, there is justice in this world.

He is a military man. And followed orders. Do not interfere with the policy. If he committed war crimes - then another thing.

War criminal got what he deserved! And here are the criminal orders to bobbish the peaceful population and the sovereign state under far-fetched pretexts?

[Akim]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

And here, criminal orders to bobbish the peaceful population and sovereign state under far-fetched pretexts

The UN sanction determined that the pretexts were not far-fetched. And the fact that he is a war criminal is your unreasonable opinion. There is evidence - please go to the frontal place. Tired when the evaluation give demagogues. Tomorrow they will give you an order and you will refuse to fulfill it, citing moral principles? Do not balabolte - and be professional. Do not judge everything at the level of emotions. You need to be more calm in your opinions and express them soberly. War is work. Dirty, vile, but work, and if he, as a SOLDIER, honestly performed it, then what is his fault? It is necessary to judge politicians, including your Dmitry Anatolyevich.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Ruslan_F38

And here, criminal orders to bobbish the peaceful population and sovereign state under far-fetched pretexts

The UN sanction determined that the pretexts were not far-fetched. And the fact that he is a war criminal is your unreasonable opinion. There is evidence - please go to the frontal place. Tired when the evaluation give demagogues. Tomorrow they will give you an order and you will refuse to fulfill it, citing moral principles? Do not balabolte - and be professional. Do not judge everything at the level of emotions. You need to be more calm in your opinions and express them soberly. War is work. Dirty, vile, but work, and if he, as a SOLDIER, honestly performed it, then what is his fault? It is necessary to judge politicians, including your Dmitry Anatolyevich.

I will not obey a criminal order, I have reason and my own values ​​and moral principles, of course, and I am not going to kill innocent children and women either by order or otherwise. You yourself are a demagogue and a chatterbox, and of course a balabol. And most importantly, this "pseudo" hero of yours did not even defend his country but attacked a sovereign state - therefore he is not just a war criminal, but a typical murderer! The evidence is all in the media! I am generally silent about the UN - the manual organ of the United States - the same proof to me. Don't be smart if you have nothing! Calm was found.

[Akim]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

Found calm

Yes, calm, because I was in the army for a long time. Unfortunately, there is no war without civilian casualties. Or only militants and soldiers of federal forces died in Chechnya?
As for not fulfilling orders. If you refused to fulfill my order in combat conditions, I would have shot you. Orders that oppose conventions on the rules of war are considered criminal. I, as a person, am also afraid of a vile attack on Gaddafi, but as the one who wears (wore) epaulets, I do not blame the military themselves.

[JonnyT]

Or maybe they killed? I knew a lot about Libya, a high post, and it's strange that suddenly crashed into a hangar

[Volkh]

It is not unexpected, the video shows that the `` stall '' of the plane happened. There is a pilot error

[Akim]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Tell the Georgian soldiers pushing our peacekeepers point blank?

This is a war crime. If there is evidence, file it with the international court, rather than blow the air. And then this is from the series of propaganda as our soldiers raped a million Germans in the spring of the 45th.
As for Libya, as far as I remember, "Mr. Twitter" gave Russia's consent to this.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Akim

. If there is evidence, file it with the international court,

In what, what court ????? This is the court that condemns the Serbs one by one and lets go of scumbags, do not tell.
There is video evidence, there is a photo, there is other evidence and that's it. Time will come and everyone will answer for everything.

[Akim]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This is the court that condemns the Serbs one by one and lets go, do not tell.

This is a political blunder of modern Russia. It is necessary to insist otherwise in the information war you can lose to the whole world.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Akim

It is necessary to insist otherwise in the information war one can lose to the whole world.

In a corrupt court of truth, do not whip!

[Akim]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In a corrupt court of truth, do not whip!

Basmanny in Moscow and Pechersky in Kiev at the same level. But this is already moving away from the military theme.

[Geokingxnumx]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There is video evidence, there is a photo, there are other evidence and that’s all.

for what?

[lilit.193]

Sorry for him of course, but nefig was show off!

[pensioner]

According to Vesti, the pilot, whose name was not named, participated in NATO combat missions during operations in Libya.

A little eagle flew off.

[USNik]

Yesterday in the news on the Ukrainian channel 1 + 1 the presenter said that the "vantazhny" (Ukrainian cargo) plane crashed while performing aerobatics (!). How can you confuse aerobatic and vantage ... hand-face ...

[Akim]

Quote: USNik

How can you confuse aerobatic and virtual ... hand-to-face ...

For her, it is higher mathematics, like "trampler" or "ignition coil". What was heard in the earpiece, then blurted out.

[waisson]

not only do our generals crash planes, and they have a higher crew trying to show their self in the sky, having lost their flight training, but the sky does not forgive mistakes

[Krasnoyarsk]

What is everyone so harnessed for Libya? Gaddafi financed Islamic geeks around the world, for which he received a well-deserved punishment. And the pilot is sorry.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: Krasnoyarets

Gaddafi funded Islamic geeks around the world

This is when French President Sarkozy became an "Islamic geek"?

[Vtel]

Yes, he could become a minister. The show will not bring to good, it would fly low and there would be nothing.

[gispanec]

A man, a pilot, a military man in a peaceful sky died ... and you mix politics where you can and cannot !!

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Ruslan_F38

Found calm

Yes, calm, because I was in the army for a long time. Unfortunately, there is no war without civilian casualties. Or only militants and soldiers of federal forces died in Chechnya?
As for not fulfilling orders. If you refused to fulfill my order in combat conditions, I would have shot you. Orders that oppose conventions on the rules of war are considered criminal. I, as a person, am also afraid of a vile attack on Gaddafi, but as the one who wears (wore) epaulets, I do not blame the military themselves.

Everyone was in the army. But this does not mean that everyone should think alike! I strongly disagree with you. Listen to you so if you gave the order to shoot your family or close friends would you follow this order? I strongly doubt it. So there is no need for bravado. She’s such a life, often does not give unambiguous answers!

[Akim]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

if you gave the order to shoot your family or close friends would you fulfill this order?

These are criminal orders and failure to comply with it is your direct right. The deliberate destruction of the civilian population is subject to criminal liability. They did not deliberately bomb civilian areas. The objects of destruction were the military infrastructure. The fact that intelligence with data sometimes messed up is another matter.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Akim

Quote: Ruslan_F38

if you gave the order to shoot your family or close friends would you fulfill this order?

These are criminal orders and failure to comply with it is your direct right. The deliberate destruction of the civilian population is subject to criminal liability. They did not deliberately bomb civilian areas. The objects of destruction were the military infrastructure. The fact that intelligence with data sometimes messed up is another matter.

Are there any criminal orders? So there are war criminals? But to bomb an innocent country or a network is a crime, and those who do this are criminals? The Nazis attacked our country, we defeated and tried them, and tried only for the killing of civilians or for our soldiers? How is the current situation different? Do not hide behind a criminal order and the fact that you are just a soldier ... just a killer of innocent people and soldiers, or soldiers are not people?))

[Akim]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

Are there any criminal orders? So there are war criminals? But to bomb an innocent country or a network is a crime, and those who do this are criminals? The Nazis attacked our country, we defeated and tried them, and tried only for the killing of civilians or for our soldiers? How is the current situation different? Do not hide behind a criminal order and the fact that you are just a soldier ... just a killer of innocent people and soldiers, or soldiers are not people?))

I already said above about this with Alexander Romanov

If there is evidence, file it with the international court, rather than blow the air.

Do not compare the attack on the USSR with Libya. An absolutely diametrical situation. As for the Nyurbersk trial, they were tried there for actions directed against humanity and tried for the wrong and cruel conduct of the war. Believe me, the Western press wrote even more about the brutality of the federal troops in Chechnya. This is also a kind of war. I had to prove for a long time on an English-speaking forum that "Dedovshina" is not such a terrible monster as journalists describe it. For they also consider us barbarians.

[Ruslan_F38]

Alexander Romanov also answered you about the trial - I fully agree with him, but these are generally obvious things, as you do not understand? Why shouldn't I compare? Because the time is different? But moral principles for a normal person are always primary, regardless of time and orders. Wake up, you justify the crime with orders, as you yourself wrote above.

[Akim]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

Wake up, you justify the crime by orders,

I do not see a crime in the actions of the Spanish military in Libya. Qatar commandos - I agree.