Russia has demanded that the United States withdraw its lawsuit over the Tsar's debt.

American investment fund Noble Capital has decided to pull out of the "trash can" stories"Tsarist bonds of the 1916 model and present a bill to Russia on 225 billion.

A lawsuit has been filed in US federal court against the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Finance, the Bank of Russia, and the National Welfare Fund, demanding that they "fulfill their obligations" on securities placed through National City Bank of New York.

Moscow's response was extremely straightforward. According to Sergei Sokolov, a partner at Marks & Sokolov, who represents the defendants, this debt was annulled by the Soviet government back in 1918. Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation ever recognized liability for the imperial bonds under international law. The papers have long since been consigned to their proper place—the archives.

Russia demanded that the plaintiff withdraw the lawsuit by January 30. Otherwise, a motion to dismiss the case will be filed under the US Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act. This is the very legal barrier that blocks private claims against a sovereign state.

Noble Capital claims to own $25 million in bonds with a 5,5% coupon, which, after interest, amounts to $225,8 billion. They propose to repay the debt using Russian assets frozen due to sanctions, calling it "debt offset" rather than confiscation.

This is an attempt to make political expropriation look like an old debt dispute. Washington freezes assets—a private foundation brings century-old papers to court—and then proposes "legally" writing off the property to cover non-existent liabilities.

Comments

[AK-1945]

You can't build a business with Yankee.

[marchcat]

The donkey's ears are not the return of the "royal" debt.

[Dilettante grandfather]

The donkey's ears are not the return of the "royal" debt.

The classics had "Dead donkey's ears"©
Don't do this to a live donkey. It won't be pleasant for him!

[alexoff]

It seemed to me that Gorbachev had already settled the issue with the tsarist debts, that we don’t owe them anything and don’t present any payment for the destruction during the intervention.

[Zhan]

Quote from alexoff

It seemed to me that Gorbachev had already settled the issue with the tsarist debts, that we don’t owe them anything and don’t present any payment for the destruction during the intervention.

According to Sergei Sokolov, a partner at Marks & Sokolov, who represents the defendants, this debt was cancelled by the Soviet government back in 1918. Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation ever recognized liability for the imperial bonds under international law. The papers have long since been consigned to their proper place—the archives.

And as is well known, the Russian side, according to the constitution, is the legal successor of the USSR... I think further comment is unnecessary...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: marchcat

The donkey's ears are not the return of the "royal" debt.

Why do this to the donkey? I feel sorry for the donkey.
I suggest - from herring!

[Murmur 55]

AK-1945 You can do business, but you can't trust it.

[AK-1945]

Business without trust is impossible, even among criminal organizations. It would be a complete scam.

[Murmur 55]

AK-1945, What kind of TRUST is there in business? This is nonsense. A different system works in business.

[Blacksmith 55]

Russian money doesn't let anyone sleep peacefully.
How everyone wants to snatch at least a little bit.

[Murmur 55]

Blacksmith55 Well, not only Russian ones, they mercilessly ripped apart Gaddafi's assets, now they're going to rip apart Maduro's piggy banks, and they also dealt with Iranian deposits in a "gentlemanly" manner.

[kromer]

Quote: AK-1945

You can't build a business with Yankee.

Yes, you can. Just knock out their teeth first so they can't bite.

[AK-1945]

You went into business with a toothless, blue-fingered jerk?

[kromer]

Quote: AK-1945

You went into business with a toothless, blue-fingered jerk?

The main thing is not the appearance, but the safety of the project.

[AK-1945]

You should tell Denmark and Canada about the security of projects with your "ally".

[kromer]

Quote: AK-1945

You should tell Denmark and Canada about the security of projects with your "ally".

Do not distort.
I haven't heard of Denmark and Canada knocking out the US's teeth.
On the contrary, they lied down under the US and pretended that rape was inevitable.

[alex_spb]

First, you need to knock out their teeth

and cut off the greedy hands

[Piramidon]

Quote: alex_spb

and cut off the greedy hands

What kind of kindergarten are these comments? Empty air-shaking for the sake of upvotes—cut off hands, knock out teeth, impale... Do you have that option? Then try it, instead of calling someone else.

[alex_spb]

shaking the air

Well, one can dream, right?

[Ponimatel]

These are some kind of kindergarten, not comments.

These are often patriot bots. They post their stupidity on the topic of self-righteousness, thereby creating an atmosphere of anger in the community.
That's where the word "donkey" comes from.

[napalm]

Quote from kromer

Quote: AK-1945

You can't build a business with Yankee.

Yes, you can. Just knock out their teeth first so they can't bite.

A scene from a humorous story, a certificate, and a camel. They say you've stopped playing chess with Mr. Tsypa. But would you play with a man who constantly cheats and fights? Of course not. So he didn't either.

[Andrey K]

American investment fund Noble Capital has decided to retrieve 1916 Tsarist bonds from the "trash can of history."

These "accounts" could amount to trillions, taking into account interest.
Evil tongues say that when selling Alaska, the Americans either underpaid or cheated them out of a considerable amount.
Evil tongues say that the Americans paid for the weapons and ammunition supplies in gold, but only partially fulfilled them, and forgave the rest due to the collapse of the Empire.
Evil tongues say that during the occupation of the Arkhangelsk and Murmansk provinces and the Far East, the mattress makers, in addition to murdering the indigenous population, became notorious for hauling away anything and everything they could.
And so on and so forth and so on...

[Ross xnumx]

Let all claims be addressed to Nicholas II, who abdicated the throne and all obligations...
And, if anything, you can sue for intervention during the Civil War, when various American expeditionaries landed in the north...

[ser-ivs]

and money for Nicholas II in the Federal Reserve Fund

For 100 years, the US has made no payments under the agreement; the Federal Reserve's estimated debt for the use of Russian gold amounts to hundreds of billions of dollars, says A. G. Mosyakin, author of a study on Russian gold in the US Federal Reserve.
Mosyakin, A.G. Up the Steps -- to the Abyss. Part I // The Fate of Gold in the Russian Empire in Historical Context. 1880-1922. - Historical Investigation. - Moscow: KMK, 2017. - P. 53-55

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ROSS 42

Let all claims be addressed to Nicholas II, who abdicated the throne and all obligations...

Off topic of the article.
By the way, I don't understand why they reburied him in the Peter and Paul Cathedral. Was he really a tsar? From the moment he abdicated, he was simply Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov. For example, I know someone by that name. Will his relatives be able to bury him next to Peter and Catherine?
Louis XVI died an emperor, and so did Charles I. And who's this guy? He traded God's gift for scrambled eggs...

[eugen_caro]

And haven't the Russians yet presented the Pentagon with a bill for the plunder of Russian territories in 1918-20 during their occupation by the Americans (the northern provinces and the Far East)?

[Murmur 55]

A war is brewing between law firms to determine who knows American law better.

[bayard]

Quote: Murmur 55

A war is brewing between law firms to determine who knows American law better.

What if this is an offer to exchange confessions?
In 1916, did the Russian Empire take out a loan?
Let the United States recognize the Russian Federation as the Russian Empire within the borders of 1913, with all property and territorial rights and powers.
Oops... but that's Finland, Poland, Moldova and Transnistria, Georgia, and (dare I say it) Armenia, and the Kars and Erzurum regions in today's Turkey, and Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan (back then, such a nationality didn't even exist), and the Baltics. And these territories of the Republic of Ingushetia aren't just ours; they OWE US, by definition, several trillion modern dollars (or euros). We'll leave Alaska for later; that's an even older matter than the 50 million that has grown to 225 billion; the statute of limitations there now runs into the trillions.
Do you think he will admit it?
After all, this is not giving away what is ours (as we did), but recognizing what is OURS at the expense of completely different (but Russian!) territories.
I would seriously consider this kind of exchange.
For this, you can also reduce the bill for Alaska a little.
Otherwise, our most conscientious Moscow Arbitration Court will calculate the amount at 11 trillion. And we'll knock half (a trillion) off their bill.
This is a good deal, I swear by Karl No. 3's mom.
And then we'll write off the debts for Alaska for recognizing Norway, Sweden, and Denmark as ours. And with Spitsbergen, of course. Because freedom of our navigation is paramount.
Let's put the question about the Black Sea Straits aside for now.

[Grancer81]

And file a claim for damages for the intervention during the Civil War and compensation for the killings of Russians during that time?

[hector]

Quote: Grencer81

And file a claim for damages for the intervention during the Civil War and compensation for the killings of Russians during that time?

This is weak.

[your1970]

Quote: Grencer81

And file a claim for damages for the intervention during the Civil War and compensation for the killings of Russians during that time?

Quote: ettore

Quote: Grencer81

And file a claim for damages for the intervention during the Civil War and compensation for the killings of Russians during that time?

This is weak.

Not weak, but pointless.
The US will pay off their court winnings from our frozen funds.
Let's say we filed a lawsuit and even won—what next? How do we collect it from the US?

[Grancer81]

When I started suing a private security company a year ago, they also told me that it was useless.
And before the New Year I received a certain amount of money from him.

[your1970]

Quote: Grencer81

When I started suing a private security company a year ago, they also told me that it was useless.
And before the New Year I received a certain amount of money from him.

A private security company can kill a couple of people. tens Millions of people in half an hour? Or at least drive an aircraft carrier to the courthouse? A private security company might have a budget of a trillion dollars, and by 2027, it'll be 1.5 trillion?
You didn't even compare a vegetable to a finger.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Grencer81

When I started suing a private security company a year ago, they also told me that it was useless.
And before the New Year I received a certain amount of money from him.

Pardon me, but the court situations in these two cases are quite different. Your case was heard in Russia, and according to Russian law, the mattress case would involve an international court, and its decisions, as we know, are not binding on all countries. Moreover, in a mattress litigation, forcing them to pay any amount is a real gamble. The only way to achieve this is by seizing (nationalizing) their assets worth that amount, if any exist on our territory.

[Meaning of life]

Quote: Grencer81

And file a claim for damages for the intervention during the Civil War and compensation for the killings of Russians during that time?

Why go so far? First, we need to file a claim for the stolen tanker and the associated moral damages.

[Fedor Sokolov]

What a clever idea! When it comes to their own gain, and even if the prospect of fleecing someone looms on the distant horizon, the Yankees turn on all their imagination and their natural imperial arrogance. The late Zadornov was wrong; the Americans are far from stupid and, as a rule, make fools of everyone around them.

[Boycott]

They propose to pay the debt using Russian assets frozen due to sanctions.

Here Zelya and his European partners became tense...

[Mint Gingerbread]

This game can be played by two people, and the amount of the claim against the United States could exceed $225 billion if you dig through old laundry.

[faiver]

Not long ago, I read that before WWI, Nikolai sent about 50 tons of gold to the US to create an international payment system. The system was never created, and the gold, with Nikolai's consent, was funneled into the Federal Reserve System, which was then being created, at interest.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: faiver

Not long ago I read that before WW1 Nikolai sent about 50 tons of gold to the USA to create an international payment system,

Very interesting! Can you tell me where you read it?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Russia demanded that the plaintiff withdraw the lawsuit by January 30. Otherwise, a motion to dismiss the case under the US Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act will be filed.

I'd send the petition via ballistic missile. The Yankees, frankly, have been getting on my nerves lately. Time for a couple of kicks. In the jaw and groin. From the heart.

[Mouse]

Well, our money, even though it's frozen, won't give us any peace... The eye sees, but the tooth doesn't feel...

[Alexander 3]

We'll bring back the Alaska question.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

I wonder if American law doesn't have a statute of limitations. In Russia, it's three years and then goodbye.

[rs777]

Russia demanded from the US

It seems to me that this is the first time I have seen such a phrase with my own eyes.

[rs777]

Nice... I would like to read such news every day.

[rocket757]

As an option...
It all depends on whether Mandaean Donny has gone on the warpath or whether this is someone else's initiative?

[opuonmed]

Moscow's response was extremely straightforward. According to Sergei Sokolov, a partner at Marks & Sokolov, who represents the defendants, this debt was annulled by the Soviet government back in 1918. Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation ever recognized liability for the imperial bonds under international law. The papers have long since been consigned to their proper place—the archives.

Well, let's see how the US will listen to the Russian Federation.

[solar]

Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation ever recognized liability for imperial bonds under international law.

The author is mistaken. In fact, there is a precedent for such an admission.

In November 1996, a Memorandum of Understanding was signed in Paris between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the French Republic regarding the final settlement of mutual claims between Russia and France that arose before May 9, 1945. It provided that Russia would pay France $400 million over four years, $280 million of which would be used to pay off Tsarist bonds, and $120 million would go toward compensating French owners of Russian real estate who lost it during nationalization.

Thanks to Yeltsin, claims for compensation for tsarist debts are now being filed on the basis of this precedent, primarily against private individuals.

[Dead duck]

Thanks to Yeltsin, claims for compensation for tsarist debts are now being filed on the basis of this precedent.

- By 2006, everything had already been discussed and the matter was closed. Why on earth would a shady company decide to hype things up and make a killing is another matter entirely.

[solar]

Who discussed what with whom and what topic was closed?
We're talking about the tsar's debts to private investors. No one has closed this "topic"; it's still hanging.

[Dead duck]

Study the topic first, and then get indignant and ask questions.
To avoid unnecessary paperwork, in 2006 Russia paid off its debts to the Paris Club (the US is a member of which), and this was recognized at the international level.

[solar]

Study the topic first, and then get indignant and ask questions.
The Paris Club deals with the debts of some states to others, and in this case we are talking about debts to private individuals.
Noble Capital RSD is attempting to collect payments on the Tsarist loan bonds on behalf of the bondholders.

[Thumbs]

So, they're restoring the monarchy here, they've pulled St. Nicholas's uniform out of the dust. Soon, instead of the national anthem, they'll be singing "God Save the Tsar" on TV... The Yankees are wrong about that: a debt must be repaid.

[pexotinec]

In a word, the States were and remain a bunch of crooks.

[Glagol1]

The statute of limitations. It's unlikely to be 110 years. Besides, the succession didn't pass from the Russian Empire to the USSR. They're dragging all sorts of skeletons out of the closet—clearly, they want to offset what was stolen from us. I don't think there's a chance. And you still have to pay the fee.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Glagol1

Moreover, the succession of rights did not pass from the Republic of Ingushetia to the USSR.

And our leaders didn’t admit to anything?
That drunkard Yeltsin admitted all sorts of nonsense, like the one the Poles were screaming about (well, the Poles-kings fell later on while flying to the Sabbath in honor of that invention).

[Glagol1]

Russia is the legal successor to the USSR. That's true. But then the chain breaks. Because before the USSR, there was the RSFSR, which was not the legal successor to the Russian Empire. This creates a legal quandary. They're proving a chain of RI-RSFSR-USSR-RF, but there isn't one. The USSR incurred its debts, but they were all repaid long ago; I think the last one was paid in 2008. There were two more treaties with England and France in 1986 and 1996, where old claims were offset, but they don't set a precedent—they were wise enough not to recognize the debts, but rather to offset claims of different types.
The French holders of the tsarist debt disagreed with the 1996 agreement and sued the Russian Federation, but lost every case. And precisely because of the chain's break. But times have changed, the laws have been trampled, so we'll see what the striped ones try to come up with. But, as I wrote above, their chances are slim—again, there's the chain...

[snow mountain]

Moscow's response was extremely direct.

Sent?

[the same doctor]

It's time to understand that foreign partners are not St. Petersburg dacha owners. If you don't solve the problem right away and try to hang them on a hook, they'll hang you on the hook.
In relation to royal debts: you forgive your partners and don't bill them - they will bill you.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

If your money is not with you, then you are a loser.
Here is a good example.

[Dead duck]

I read the comments and as always there was 0 on the topic and 0 useful information (just to make noise).
1. In 2006, Russia closed (at the international level) all issues regarding the debts of the USSR and the tsarist era and does not owe anything to anyone (except for modern obligations and so on).
2. Why on earth did a shady real estate company from Texas, founded in 2002, end up with these "securities" in such quantity?
3. I would like to dig under this company and find out who it currently belongs to and who it works with.
From time to time, even in Europe, jokers with candy wrappers appear, demanding that "assets, palaces, ships, and lands" be returned to their asses.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the company simply got lucky (they were taken over for debts or found in Grandpa's suitcase) with the securities. Unless someone simply scammed them and passed them off as overdue bills, disguised as securities, and now they're trying to snatch a sliver of their cash.
But overall, it's all suspicious.

[solar]

1. In 2006, Russia closed (at the international level) all issues regarding the debts of the USSR and the tsarist era.

Not "all issues," but only those related to debts to states—that's the Paris Club. There are also issues related to debts to private banks—that's the London Club. These issues, too, seem to have been resolved. The remaining issues are debts to individuals, such as bondholders, which remain unresolved. Formally, the USSR and Russia didn't recognize the tsarist debts, but in fact, Russia made payments on them and had settlement agreements. Now, private individuals, organized into funds, are trying to secure payments following the precedent set by the Paris and London Clubs. Here's what you need to know to understand the situation.

[Viktor fm]

While we're chewing snot, everyone will be wiping their feet on us.

[Comrade Kim]

So it's a mutual matter.
One can recall the three railway trains with gold that they tried to save from the Zionist Bolsheviks.
Some of the gold is still in Japan, some in the USA.

And also present a bill for helping the Bolsheviks with weapons!
Soviet textbooks carefully concealed the fact that the United States aided the October Revolution.
It's time to restore justice!

[Grancer81]

Well, let's bring to light the documents according to which the USA supplied weapons to the Bolsheviks.

[g_ae]

Wow! The "Spirit of Anchorage" is getting stronger! No big deal, the most important thing is faith in your "partner"! Well, you've got to be lucky enough to beat a shell game player sometime! They're not suckers, after all! Are they?

[Wildcat]

Moscow's response was brutally straightforward. According to Sergei Sokolov, a partner at Marks & Sokolov, who represents the defendants, this debt was annulled by the Soviet government back in 1918. Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation ever recognized liability for imperial bonds under international law. The papers were long ago consigned to their proper place – the archives. ... Russia demanded that the plaintiff withdraw the lawsuit by January 30. Otherwise, a motion to dismiss the case will be filed under the US Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act. This is the very legal "barrier" that blocks the path to private claims against a sovereign state.

And the lawyers don't want to point out that the US has long used the concept of "limited sovereignty"? And have there been precedents?? And how should one defend oneself? And haven't they acknowledged the jurisdiction of the US court as a response?

Or: first we'll take the money for the trial, and then we'll claim that it's unexpected...

Just recently there was a story where a case (the one with the "London bar-cafeteria") worth tens of billions was lost, and "not a single lawyer suffered."

[Wildcat]

Bruce Marks, the firm's founder and managing director, has earned a reputation as an international expert in litigation matters involving Western parties and parties from the former Soviet Union. He has represented clients in such cases since 1998 and is known in the United States and abroad as an experienced attorney skilled in the art of legal strategy.

Bruce has successfully represented Western, Russian, and Ukrainian clients in commercial disputes and litigation involving claims based on professional liability, creditor liability, securities fraud, maritime law, and RICO litigation—some of which have involved billions of dollars in claims. Bruce also advises clients on corporate law matters, where the laws of multiple jurisdictions must be applied.

Bruce's extensive experience in litigation under 28 U.S.C. § 1782, a key statute allowing parties in foreign disputes to obtain evidence in the United States through U.S. federal courts, is noteworthy. He also participated in groundbreaking litigation involving the recognition of Russian Chapter 15 bankruptcy cases, in which discovery led to the discovery of significant assets, which were subsequently transferred to the court in two cases. Throughout his career, Bruce has successfully represented both plaintiffs and defendants.

Bruce is a former Republican senator in the Pennsylvania General Assembly. Bruce also served as an adviser (1985-1989) to the late Republican U.S. Senator Arlen Specter and represented Donald J. Trump's 2016 campaign. He graduated with honors from the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 1984 and received a Master of Laws (LLM) from the University of Cambridge in England the same year. Bruce also holds two bachelor's degrees from the University of Pennsylvania: one in economics (Wharton School of Business) and one in Russian, both with honors.

Bruce also studied at the Pushkin Institute of the Russian Language in Moscow in 1980. He is licensed to represent clients in courts throughout the United States, including Pennsylvania, Alabama, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Texas, and West Virginia, as well as before the U.S. Supreme Court. Bruce is an avid squash player, having competed in matches in over 20 countries.

https://marks-sokolov.com/ru/%D0%B1%D1%80%D1%8E%D1%81-%D1%81-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BA%D1%81/
Is it possible to hire someone else, not from Pennsylvania, but from Harvard?
I'm not against squash - it's just a big deal...

[ANB]

. owns $25 million in bonds with a 5,5% coupon

Aren't the percentages too high?
Over 100 years, that's 137.5 million. And then there's the principal debt. Even if you factor in annual capitalization, it's not that much. Maybe 200 million at the very least. Where did the 226 billion come from?

[d.zacharith]

Maybe inflation has been indexed...

[ANB]

Maybe inflation has been indexed...

Inflation is the lender's problem.
The coupon is 5.5 percent, the conditions are fixed.

[d.zacharith]

Please! Have you never haggled at the market? These freemasons have presented a huge bill and are going to haggle. It's a deal, that is, and you'll have to pay, even if not the full amount.

[nerd.su]

Quote: ANB

Where do 226 billion come from?

inflation..?

[voland_1]

Over 100 years, 5.4 billion, to be precise (though I rounded up a bit). Plus, inflation.

[ANB]

. Over 100 years 5.4 billion

Can you provide a calculation, where did you get this figure?

[Metallurg_2]

And what does today's Russia have to do with this?
Imperial Russia took it.
There is a "legitimate heir to the throne" George.
True, he is 1/4 rodent, the other 3/4 is unfinished German, and has a complex surname: Bagration-Romanov-Hohenzollern.
Let them shake debts out of "King Goga".

[Kolt27]

Original. This is how our frozen assets haunt us, how they dig up archives from the trash just to hand them over.

[Uma palata]

Quote from solar

Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation ever recognized liability for imperial bonds under international law.

The author is mistaken. In fact, there is a precedent for such an admission.

In November 1996, a Memorandum of Understanding was signed in Paris between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the French Republic regarding the final settlement of mutual claims between Russia and France that arose before May 9, 1945. It provided that Russia would pay France $400 million over four years, $280 million of which would be used to pay off Tsarist bonds, and $120 million would go toward compensating French owners of Russian real estate who lost it during nationalization.

Thanks to Yeltsin, claims for compensation for tsarist debts are now being filed on the basis of this precedent, primarily against private individuals.

It probably will be so - based on this precedent.
And the rest is like "donkey's ears", "Alisochka", it's just our meek lyrics.
The Americans will shake out the imperial debt, because they have the Power.
And we only have a movie quote about the truth.

So, in this simple way, based on the Yeltsin-era precedent, the Americans will take that very money, those 300, from under the noses of the British, who didn't have time to devise such a brazen and, alas, effective method of robbery.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Uma Palata

In this simple way, based on the precedent of the Yeltsin era, the Americans will take that very money

American case law is based on the decisions of American courts. What do Yeltsin and the French have to do with this?

[Nik2013]

The Supreme Leadership Party should task its bureaucrats with finding the tsarist debts in the US and Europe. I read somewhere that their debts are very, very large.

[Vasyan1971]

Noble Capital says it holds $25 million in bonds with a 5,5% coupon, which translates to $225,8 billion in interest.

By the way, what's going on about selling Alaska?

[HMR333]

And they don’t want to repay Poddubny’s debt?

[Jacques sekavar]

At the dawn of Soviet power, the USSR gave an exhaustive response to such claims, but after the restoration of capitalism, old debts will have to be paid.

[Jacques sekavar]

The discount on gas, oil, lumber, chemicals, metals and other goods will be used to pay off the debt - in 200 years, perhaps, it will be paid off if the interest rates are reasonable.

[Hariton laptev]

In short, these bastards will win the case and then start seizing all our property that they get their hands on. Fucking thieves.

[matsur]

Draw them royal papers and give them a full suitcase.

[Grancer81]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Grencer81

When I started suing a private security company a year ago, they also told me that it was useless.
And before the New Year I received a certain amount of money from him.

A private security company can kill a couple of people. tens Millions of people in half an hour? Or at least drive an aircraft carrier to the courthouse? A private security company might have a budget of a trillion dollars, and by 2027, it'll be 1.5 trillion?
You didn't even compare a vegetable to a finger.

The question is not that, but that I was also told that it was useless...
But... As Comrade Beria said: "An attempt is not torture, comrades!"

[Moneron]

She didn't demand, she asked...politely.

[Meaning of life]

These are the mines the Tsar laid under Russia!

[Rus_battery]

Or maybe Lenin and company?

[Meaning of life]

It can't. It wasn't Lenin, but the Tsar who took on the world's debts, so Russia still can't pay them off.

[Rus_battery]

All of the Russian Empire's major state obligations were settled and closed by Russia through agreements in the 1990s and 2000s. Well, it's easier to say that Lenin simply robbed and destroyed my country.

[Meaning of life]

You're the one explaining to the Americans that "all government obligations are settled and closed." And, excuse me, which country of yours did Lenin rob and destroy?

[Rus_battery]

Russia, of course. He dismembered it into the aggressive nation-states that we now have in our midst.

[Meaning of life]

Really? And in our universe, Lenin created a mighty superpower, and it was dismembered by decommunizers, 70 years after Lenin's death.

[Rus_battery]

You have some kind of alternative reality of your own😁

[Meaning of life]

My reality is consistent with the generally accepted one. But yours is unique. Could you list the countries around us that Lenin founded?

[sir Garry]

Quote: ROSS 42

abdicated the throne and all obligations...

Nicholas II abdicated only the throne. He didn't cancel any of Russia's "obligations." The Tsar's debts were "cancelled" by Soviet Russia (Lenin, by the way). But at the same time, Russia lost the rights to the Tsar's gold in Japan (Kolchak had kept it for safekeeping).

[sir Garry]

Quote from Matsur

Draw them royal papers

The Russian Empire took out debt in gold.

[aviapit123]

Well, then about Alaska, also an unresolved issue from the tsarist times, if you're going to play, then play... And put some rackets there.

[musorg]

Why not deal with Alaska? It's not necessary? The US is trying to squeeze us wherever it can, but we can't say that the US, along with the EU, is to blame for the Kyiv coup!

[APASUS]

I don't understand on what grounds? Maybe I should sue the US; I still haven't received the money for Alaska!!!

[Yaro Polk]

The Alaskan lease ended last year, I think...now they're living there on credit.

[Yaro Polk]

Neither the USSR nor the Russian Federation ever recognized liability for the imperial bonds under international law. The papers were long ago consigned to their proper place—the archives.

*well..so get your ass off the chair..put up the stirrup..go up a couple of steps..get out that folder..blow the dust off it..and throw it in the mattress holders' noses..slackers!

[Berg berg]

First, Japan must return Kolchak's gold stored in their banks—more than 90 tons of gold, plus the interest accrued for its use! Then America must pay for the Russian fleet that helped liberate America from capture, as well as compensation for the looting and intervention during the Revolution!

[sgrabik]

These American demands are extremely ridiculous and completely unfounded. I really want to believe that we have enough sense not to fall for all this nonsense and not pay them anything!!!

[Terentyev's great-grandson]

There are many things missing in Russia, especially historians and lawyers in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
There was a precedent between the USSR and the US for a similar attack. Back then, Soviet Foreign Ministry officials quickly brushed it aside, citing a counterclaim for the US invasion and damages inflicted on the USSR during the civil war. Documents, apparently with calculations, were already prepared back then... cerca torva

[Ivan№One]

Let them demand from the bun-crunchers

[Rostislav]

You scared the penguins - withdraw the claim yourself, otherwise we will demand that it be annulled through the court... A serious threat, however.

[Umptek]

We accept and satisfy the request of 1815 of the ruler of the island of Kauai in the Hawaiian archipelago to accept the island under the protectorate of Russia.

[Terentyev's great-grandson]

The response of Sergei Sokolov, representing the interests of the defendants (RF), is extremely weak and pathetic.
He says: "Leave me alone, you evil hooligans!!!"
The USSR, in the same situation, responded: OK, but first you will pay us our bills for the damage YOU caused to our state during the civil war and intervention!
It's a pity that the Russian Federation is not the USSR and now the Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not have people with education and willpower.

[Rus_battery]

But it's strange that we didn't acknowledge this debt from the start. Why?

[Yuri L]

Of course, there's no legal basis for this claim. But what will the Russian authorities do when a US court, based not on legal rights at all, but on the newly emerging concept of "the law of the strong," awards Russia these $225 billion, and the very next day the US government begins seizing and selling diplomatic property and other Russian assets in the US and other countries, simultaneously transferring the same amount held in Euroclear to itself, and seizing and selling seized tankers on a now "legal" basis? Then what will the Russian government do against this "court of the strong"? Sure, they'll release Peskov or Zakharova, and they'll mumble something (remember how they muttered about property confiscation after losing the Yukos case). Nowadays, the world accepts only the strong. But this, alas, is not about the Russian Federation ("The strong do what they will, the weak suffer what they must suffer." Has anything changed in the society of anthropomorphic predators since the time of Thucydides?)

[alexputnik17]

According to our Constitution, national law prevails. Bonds usually have a statute of limitations. Payment is due after a certain date. The statute of limitations is three years. Both penalties and coupons are not proportionate to the debt. And the USSR didn't assume all of the debts of the Russian Empire. Let them go to kindergarten.

[alexputnik17]

Let's see what the Central Bank of the Russian Federation will do with Euroclear in the Moscow AS on March 4, 2026.