Russia and Turkey can together create a new air defense system

At the International Exhibition IDEF 2013, which will be held in Istanbul from 7 to 10 in May, Rosoboronexport is preparing to demonstrate more 200 samples of military products, as well as the basis for the Russian-Turkish air defense complex, the company said on Monday.

“As part of the Russian-Turkish program T-LORAMIS, aimed at cooperation in the field of joint development of air defense systems, Rosoboronexport offers its partners a unique anti-aircraft missile system, Antey-2500, capable of solving anti-missile defense tasks. In case of concluding a contract for the purchase of an Antey-2500 air defense missile system in Turkey, they will create a modern and effective Russian-Turkish air defense system, ”says the message on the company's website.

In addition, Rosoboronexport will present the 12061E Murena-E airborne landing craft, which can be a spectacular component of the docking ships at Turkish shipyards. The boat is capable of planting and receiving military equipment and personnel on an equipped or unequipped shore.

Also, the Russian side will present in Istanbul the newest Terminator fire support vehicle, which has already been shown abroad and has aroused great interest of military experts.

At the Rosobornexport stand, one can also see the Ka-52 reconnaissance and attack helicopter, the Mi-171Sh multipurpose military transport helicopter, the Mi-28HE combat helicopter, the Mi-35M combat transport helicopter, the Ansat and Ka-226T combat helicopters and others machines that are in demand in the international market.

According to the highest Turkish military leadership, Russian military equipment has proven itself well in operations against illegal armed groups of separatists and terrorist groups, Rosoboronexport said.

Comments

[tronin.maxim]

I don’t understand, we had 30 wars with Turkey somewhere like that and we help them. I can understand business and nothing personal but with Turkey?

[self-propelled]

business is business . then they will also say that Turkey is a strategic partner .

[bask]

Quote: self-propelled

what is Turkey a strategic partner

Tricia is a puppet of SUSH and an ally of Israel.
It is on the territory of Turkey that the so-called “interim government of Syria” is formed, controlled by SATCHA and Israel. The entire territory around Israel is being cleansed by the hands of the United States and its puppets.
In Syria, the plan is simple: at the hands of international terrorists and the CIA, al-Qaeda, to bring their puppets to power in Syria.
And Russia will create, together with Turkey, air defense-nonsense WHAT THAT ???????

[Vladimirets]

Throughout history, Turkey, at best, has been neutral towards Russia and will not become an ally in the foreseeable future (well, if Mars does not attack). Maybe this is such a technique for destroying a potential friend’s air defense system?

[soul]

If, when creating a joint anti-aircraft defense, a competent approach to the issue (bookmarks for every fireman), then nothing bad will happen. Again - Turkish air defense will be under control
The question is different - do these bookmarks?

[Tarpon]

Bookmarks! This is very reasonable!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: bask

Tricia is a puppet of SUSH and an ally of Israel. It is on the territory of Turkey that the so-called “interim government of Syria” is formed, controlled by SATCHA and Israel. The entire territory around Israel is being cleansed by the hands of the United States and its puppets. In Syria, the plan is simple: at the hands of international terrorists and the CIA, al-Qaeda, to bring their puppets to power in Syria. And Russia will create, together with Turkey, air defense-nonsense WHAT THAT ???????

Everything is as it is written. but why should this interfere with the sale of our weapons? Here the buyer orders the music, if they buy it will be "joint air defense-missile defense", which of course is a huge plus for Russia, if they do not buy it is their business. This will not affect the situation in Syria. And the Turks not so long ago became convinced on their own skin that Russian air defense systems are effective.

[mansur]

Quote: self-propelled

business is business . then they will also say that Turkey is a strategic partner

On April 22, 2008, Channel One in its evening broadcast showed the film “The Caucasus Plan,” shot by Anton Vernitsky in the journalistic investigation genre. The film tells from how in the 1990s. Western intelligence agencies planned to secession of Chechnya from Russia on assistance to Chechen fighters in France, Germany, Georgia, and Turkey: in particular, Sultan Kekhursaev, a brigade general of the CRI Army currently living in Istanbul, said that the seizure by Grozny fighters was financed in the summer of 1996 large Turkish companies operating in Russia,

[Gluxar_]

Quote: mansur

On April 22, 2008, Channel One in its evening broadcast showed the film “The Caucasus Plan,” shot by Anton Vernitsky in the journalistic investigation genre. The film tells from how in the 1990s. Western intelligence agencies planned to secession of Chechnya from Russia on assistance to Chechen fighters in France, Germany, Georgia, and Turkey: in particular, Sultan Kekhursaev, a brigade general of the CRI Army currently living in Istanbul, said that the seizure by Grozny fighters was financed in the summer of 1996 large Turkish companies operating in Russia,

And which of these conclusions? You need to be realistic, being able to stupidly not use it. Has Russia ever had friends? And the USA? What about England? Has anyone ever had friends in politics?
But all this does not negate the fact that if we sell the export version of the aging S-300, we will bring Turkey closer to us, we will protect ourselves from this direction without spending money, but only by earning. and we will reduce the income of our opponents, who will gladly put their patriots to Turkey.

[Nitup]

Yes, this is a journalistic duck. What the fuck can air defense be with Turkey.

[elmi]

Quote: Nitup

Yes, this is a journalistic duck. What the fuck can air defense be with Turkey.

Russia and Turkey can together create a new air defense system

They wish to wishful thinking. Something recently, many countries want to jointly develop air defense with us, to assemble air defense equipment under license assembly. Just recently, with Brazil, we signed a contract for licensed assembly and transfer of technology for assembling air defense equipment. Are we too far beyond the borders of the distribution of royal gifts?

[Gluxar_]

Quote: elmi

They wish to wishful thinking. Something recently, many countries want to jointly develop air defense with us, to assemble air defense equipment under license assembly. Just recently, with Brazil, we signed a contract for licensed assembly and transfer of technology for assembling air defense equipment. Are we too far beyond the borders of the distribution of royal gifts?

What are royal gifts? All these technologies of the late 70s. Today, Russia has taken a step forward in its new systems, however, the old S-300 is a world-class brand. And today it’s not so much advanced technology that is sold as a name. Antey-2500 is not an advanced Russian development, but one of the world's best air defense systems that is in demand in the world. What could be better than staking the whole world with our technologies 30 years ago, without letting competitors receive orders and bankrupt them. And for profit, only to increase your margin in this segment by developing the S-500 and new systems? This cooperation is very beneficial for us.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: self-propelled

business is business . then they will also say that Turkey is a strategic partner.

The way it is. And not just in words. Turkey is the second largest buyer of Russian gas and is increasing consumption.
This is truly one of our most important economic partners. There is a lot of talk about Syria, but even in terms of weapons, they have bought less products from Russia over the past 10 years than Turkey in one year.

So there is no need to be blind. Emotions are emotions, and reality must be reasonable. Russia and Turkey really fought countless times, just like Russia and Germany. But today, both the first and second countries are our largest economic partners. The past is very important and should never be forgotten, but it is also not worth distorting. Then the strongest empires fought for influence on the world. What is the Ottoman Empire, what is the German Empire or the Third Reich. Today the situation is different, our countries are strong, but not the masters of the world. And we need to fight together for a place in the sun, the real enemies we have always been alone, those that have pitted us for centuries. it's time to overestimate the relationship to each other. Although this does not cancel out that there are Anglo-Saxon agents in the Turkish leadership and they will in every way interfere and aggravate relations, which they have been doing for many centuries.

[ayyildiz]

I agree with you completely! It is also beneficial for Russia to cooperate in the field of armaments! This once again confirms that he is not going to attack each other!

[Reasonable, 2,3]

They will not declare. The next NATO ship, without agreement, with us, will pass through the Dardanelles, and the end of cooperation, and our "KA", they want to buy for 15 years, just fooling around.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

, they already want to buy 15 for years, only they fool their heads.

Fooled because after-sales technical support does not do Russia!

[vvvvv]

I would like to note for all previously expressed skepticism and displeasure about these or other cases with Turkey:
1. The USA and NATO are Turkey’s bosom friends ?! I think differently. Some common interests, benefits, proteges in the person of Erdogan, etc., as is done in other countries - Sarkozy, Saakashvili, etc. However, many military personnel were shot in Turkey, and demonstrations are being held against aggression in Syria. Moreover, not one of us n.a.rena went to any demonstrations, and Turks and even Europeans come out. So, one does not need to be zealous in stigmatizing Turkey as a whole, and anyone, without first looking at their merits, in addition to empty rhetoric ...
2. Which countries are still friendly to Russia, this, too, was not a certain kind of friendship, and the partnership is being created - by some real cooperation, at least in anything. I am not saying that you need to relax and turn your back on partners, but it is necessary to seize the initiatives of the West both in Asia and in the Arab world.
Whoever does not understand all this has delusions harmful to Russia, presented as some kind of superpatriotism in the style of "separating the Caucasus", etc.
Someone will tell Turkey that we are not a friend — well, let’s say, but someone will say no less weighty and China is not our friend. And in general, no one is a friend. And here we are not even friends on the forum, etc., etc. Let’s then not have a partnership with anyone at all. Only this is not even masturbation, but simply idiocy ...

[vvvvv]

Already one "partner" has minus ... What to talk about next ?! ...
Thank God that in real Russian politics there are adequate people, albeit with their own interests.
I don’t care, minus one, but I won’t keep silent that primitive views and slogans are really not uncommon here.

[Scythian 35]

NATO is not friends for Turkey. Turkey is a member of NATO since 1952 !!!!!

[vvvvv]

Baltic countries too ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: vvvvv

The USA and NATO are Turkey’s bosom friends ?!

Actually, while in Turkey there are US anti-aircraft systems, it would be very imprudent to twitch against America ... There will be personal protective equipment (from the Russian Federation) - a maneuvering corridor will become wider to express own (and not dictated from across the ocean) interests ...

[vvvvv]

So I think in this direction ... It is unlikely that even opponents of the partnership with Turkey will begin to deny its probable neo-Ottoman interests (since that would be the basis of this different opinion). And neo-Ottomanism is in no way consistent with either the role of the US puppet, or even less the global hegemony of the United States. Russia here offers an alternative to publicly multipolarity, which suits many. yes, in this multipolarity, everyone will act for themselves, but this is better than jointly against Russia. This is an elementary argument. So let Turkey butt with Iran, Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood, Qatar and the Saudis for the Arab world ... Plus Al Qaeda, etc.
And this multipolarity was right now to be put into consciousness. Russia is not trying, like the United States, to invade the interests of the regional hegemon of the Arab world like the United States and to subjugate the Middle East, but it gives the owl its consent to be a partner, maintain a certain neutrality and let the Arabs themselves decide their own problems. Something like this ... This puts Russia out of the ranks of opponents, well, maybe except for those who today promote Wahhabism in conjunction with the concept of the "Greater Middle East" ...

[vvvvv]

Yes, I agree.

[Nitup]

Quote: vvvvv

Moreover, not one of us n.a.rena went to any demonstrations, and Turks and even Europeans come out.

You're wrong. And we have protests against aggression in Syria

[vvvvv]

Here's a look at Russia's priorities in partnership with countries:
Germany - Turkey - Syria, Iran - China - I would call it the "Eurasian axis" ...
Not to mention improvements with Japan, some with the US status quo, and various entities like BRICS, etc., plus Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc.
After all, this is already something ...

[vadimus]

And with the Janissaries, the ear must be kept sharp ... Their ambitions are not childish ..

[Phantom Revolution]

Everything is just for the money of the Turks to create a complex, as was the case with the Arabs and the shell.

[Rink]

Quote: tronin.maxim

I don’t understand, we had 30 wars with Turkey somewhere like that and we help them. I can understand business and nothing personal but with Turkey?

In modern conditions, cooperation with Turkey, especially in the military field, is a recognition of Russia's support for its foreign policy. I think that if Russia defiantly froze all such projects, it would tell the whole world and Erdogan much more than statements from high tribunes.
And so it turns out: we say one thing in words, but do another?
This is the first.

Second: Turkey is a member of NATO. The loyalty to Russia is that the bloc itself, that the current leadership of Turkey is difficult to suspect. The question is, WHY TO TRANSFER ADVANCED RUSSIAN TECHNOLOGIES in creating an air defense system to not even a potential, but a very real adversary? (I don’t think that our defense design bureau has anything to learn from the Turks.) This directly borders on high treason.

Does anyone really want money? But you have to be a complete idiot not to understand: develop your own - you will sell a lot and for a long time; hand over the technology, teach the enemy - the hapok will be small and disposable. Then the enemy will sell, and in case of hostilities (God forbid, of course!) Our "donated" air defense systems will work against us!
This is the most stupid business that you can think of, in my opinion ...

Tell me stupid why Russia is transferring its best technology to the NATO bloc?

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Skating rink

And so it turns out: we say one thing in words, but do another?

Give an example. What is it about ? Where do words differ from deeds?

Quote: Skating rink

WHY TO TRANSFER ADVANCED RUSSIAN TECHNOLOGIES

Antey-2500 is a modernized stripped-down export version of the S-300 system developed in 1976. Selling such effective, but far from advanced developments, we knock out potential competitors from the game, as we are depriving them of the market and financing. In turn, with the money received, Russia continues to strengthen its gap in this segment.

Quote: Skating rink

Tell me stupid why Russia is transferring its best technology to the NATO bloc?

Because Antei-2500 is a pig in a poke. Having bought it, Turkey will become completely dependent on the United States and will be able to conduct its own independent policy, without heeding the instructions from Washington. In addition, the United States will not be able to sell its patriots and as a result will not receive money for their development. With such a deal, Russia can kill three birds with one stone, though the Turks are unlikely to decide on such a step.

[vvvvv]

Nice to read sensible thoughts. It is a pity that not everyone who advocates a strong Russia here can draw analytical conclusions, but they are judged only superficially. It is good when someone so succinctly makes arguments that are not directly visible to everyone.
In general, I would somewhat reformat the discussion here, be it my will. It would be more useful to put the main arguments and counterarguments to a vote so that the main point is not lost among the verbosity of disputes.

[ayyildiz]

Something I did not notice the hostility in Antalya between the Russians and the Turks

[Ruslan67]

I probably do not understand something Or the Turks were offended by all their allies and want to make them a goat face Or ours finally jammed and in the eyes of only the grandmother

[SSR]

Quote: Ruslan67

Turks were offended by all their allies

Quote: Ruslan67

Or ours finally jammed

Most likely both.
Some were offended by the "partners" from NATO, while others were "about grandmothers."

[vvvvv]

They don’t want to accept them in the EU, hence the legs grow ...

[Gluxar_]

Missile defense cooperation between Russia and Turkey, which is a member of NATO and is fighting against Syria ..?
Of course a great idea. Perhaps the Turks sensed that the wind in world politics had changed and would immediately become fluffy ...

[bask]

Quote: Gluxar_

Missile defense cooperation between Russia and Turkey, which is a member of NATO and is fighting against Siri

Turkey ((intelligence)) will transmit all the information about ,, joint ,,, malware to Israel and Israel.
Lately, the Russian government has been PLAYING straight with the enemies of SYRIA, and means RUSSIA.
Probably a lot of Zionists (((agents of influence))) in the Russian government and big business.
Coma

[zvereok]

And they also had Chechens treated, lived, hid and received fin. recharge ...

[Gluxar_]

Quote: bask

Turkey ((intelligence)) will transmit all the information about ,, joint ,,, malware to Israel and Israel. Lately, the Russian government has been PLAYING straight with the enemies of SYRIA, and means RUSSIA. Probably a lot of Zionists (((agents of influence))) in the Russian government and big business. Coma

I also write about the same. Although it’s not so bad. Antey, this is not the S-300 and even less the S-400. Each contract has its own specifics and equipment, and getting this information into the hands of potential adversaries does not pose a threat to the country's security. Hence the simple conclusion that it is necessary to sell "analogs" of the S-300 anywhere, there would be only money for the development of the S-500 and other technologies.
The advantages of such a contract are that it reduces the market capacity and competitors lose customers, which means they cannot invest in the development of their systems.

The fact that Turkey is many times more important for the Russian Federation than Syria should not be forgotten, but despite this, no one is selling Syria. In the modern world, you need to be able to work with all "partners" at different levels, and never forget where your Motherland and people are.

[Windbreak]

Antey-2500 is S-300VM

[viktor_ui]

Ruslan67 - do you seriously consider such merchants from our defense industry OUR ???

[vladsolo56]

Wow !!! Russia and Turkey have an air defense system, even in a dream they don’t dream of it. Our politicians generally lost their minds. Turkey has never been and never will be even a good neighbor, not like an ally. The whole story shows that they are enemies at best.

[mansur]

Quote: vladsolo56

Wow !!! Russia and Turkey have an air defense system, even in a dream they don’t dream of it. Our politicians generally lost their minds. Turkey has never been and never will be even a good neighbor, not like an ally. The whole story shows that they are enemies at best.

Read the article

Hostages in the resorts of Antalya?

... For a long time, the resort paradise, popular with Russian tourists, has been considered a transshipment base and a resting place for Chechen fighters. In Istanbul, Ankara, Bursa, "embassies" of Ichkeria were opened, many Chechens live freely here, who do not hide the fact that they fought with the Russian army, and the city streets are named after Dzhokhar Dudayev ....

http://gazeta.aif.ru/_/online/aif/1158-1159/09_01

[Gluxar_]

Quote: vladsolo56

Wow !!! Russia and Turkey have an air defense system, even in a dream they don’t dream of it. Our politicians generally lost their minds. Turkey has never been and never will be even a good neighbor, not like an ally. The whole story shows that they are enemies at best.

That was two centuries ago. Today, Turkey is one of the most important trading partners of Russia.

[fenix57]

Hello!

Quote: self-propelled

I don’t understand, we had 30 wars with Turkey somewhere

Here is the "revival of the Ottoman Empire", and even help from RUSSIA ...

Quote: vladsolo56

Wow !!! Russia and Turkey have an air defense system, you won’t even dream about it in a dream. Our politicians generally lost their minds.

ONISHENKO said, - DO NOT DRINK MANY ALCOHOLIC DRINKS ....

[OTAKE]

I don’t understand, we had 30 wars with Turkey somewhere like that and we help them.

you apparently still stuck in the 16-19 century, when the last time they fought with Turkey? Maybe you still remember the Germans? Maybe it’s enough to live in the past, the Cold War ended already about 20 years ago, the Second World War is already 68, who is fighting with whom and where now? If you think in the level of the 16th century, you will remain in it ..

I can understand business and nothing personal but with Turkey?

A visa-free regime with Turkey has already been like 2 years, a turnover of more than $ 25 billion, the second most important foreign trade partner, Turkey even trades with the subjects of the Russian Federation Tatarstan, Saratov, Rostov Region, and you talk about wars and the like

[vilenich]

Quote: OTAKE

you apparently still stuck in the 16-19 century, when the last time they fought with Turkey? Maybe you still remember the Germans? Maybe it’s enough to live in the past, the Cold War ended already about 20 years ago, the Second World War is already 68, who is fighting with whom and where now? If you think in the level of the 16th century, you will remain in it ..

Familiar words, accidentally not written off by Gorbachev? Add some more new thinking, rebuilding, acceleration, etc. etc.
Turkey has never been a strategic ally of Russia, it is possible and necessary to involve it in its orbit, but only without the transfer of advanced technologies, and how this can be done when developing a joint air defense system is difficult to say. Unless it is to take on the development of the "tractor", and let them suffer over the electronics!

[OTAKE]

Quote: vilenich

Familiar words, accidentally not written off by Gorbachev? Add some more new thinking, rebuilding, acceleration, etc. etc.

Nope, my words, and you that Gorbachev did not dream at night by chance? And what's wrong with the new thinking, and perestroika in general? if it was done by the mind and not through the anus. Or do you want to plunge into the abyss of stability, led by senile old-timers? So that on TV they’re talking about Freedom, Equality, Upyachka and outside the window there is GBShnik, jeans, chewing gum? But what am I talking about ... right now, something similar is happening in the authorities

Turkey has never been a strategic ally of Russia, it is possible and necessary to involve it in its orbit, but only without the transfer of advanced technologies

Turkey for Russia also has a lot to offer from advanced technologies, a mutually beneficial agreement, so to speak

[Lopatov]

All "advanced technologies" of Turkey belong to third countries. Nothing to offer.

[OTAKE]

Quote: Spade

All "advanced technologies" of Turkey belong to third countries. Nothing to offer.

and technology is generally a very extensible concept, and they are achieved through the common efforts of the world community, to which Turkish engineers and designers made a considerable contribution

[Lopatov]

Quote: OTAKE

and technology is generally a very extensible concept, and they are achieved through the common efforts of the world community, to which Turkish engineers and designers made a considerable contribution

Achieved by the efforts of many, but always have a specific owner.

Russia already has negative experience in military-technical cooperation with Turkey, with the S-300 contract. The contract is not signed as directed by the United States.

The same thing will happen here, after the Turks receive technology, an order from Washington will follow, and the Russian side will be out of business. The only prospect of this "cooperation" is the leakage of Russian military technologies related to air defense.

[Gluxar_]

Quote: vilenich

Turkey has never been a strategic ally of Russia, it is possible and necessary to involve it in its orbit, but only without the transfer of advanced technologies, and how this can be done when developing a joint air defense system is difficult to say. Unless it is to take on the development of the "tractor", and let them suffer over the electronics!

Turkey sells technology of the 70s, for today's money for which our engineers will create technology of the 2050s, and many compatriots will get work and pay for their labor.

[Lopatov]

Quote: OTAKE

Visa-free regime with Turkey as early as 2 years

This is beneficial to Turkey, not Russia.

[OTAKE]

Quote: Spade

Quote: OTAKE

Visa-free regime with Turkey as early as 2 years

This is beneficial to Turkey, not Russia.

Russians in Turkey, however, are more often seen than the Turks in Russia, by no means

[Lopatov]

Here I am about that. Turks have a steady income from every Russian tourist. And Russia from this is only a decrease in income at its resorts

[OTAKE]

Quote: Spade

Here I am about that. Turks have a steady income from every Russian tourist. And Russia from this is only a decrease in income at its resorts

at such prices it’s cheaper to go to Turkey than in Sochi

[Lopatov]

Exactly. And therefore, it is necessary to block this visa-free and more widely sanctify cases of attacks on Russian tourists in Turkey - insufficient attention is paid to this issue.

We have many places where you can have a good rest, starting from the Black Sea coast and Lake Baikal, and ending with many resorts literally at your side.

[OTAKE]

Quote: Spade

We have many places where you can have a good rest, starting from the Black Sea coast and Lake Baikal, and ending with many resorts literally at your side.

I’m just living on the shore of Lake Baikal, about 10 minutes walk to the lake :) There are few tourists, flights here are only from Moscow, the flight costs a lot of money, even for foreigners they don’t really go there

[Gluxar_]

Quote: OTAKE

you apparently still stuck in the 16-19 century, when the last time they fought with Turkey? Maybe you still remember the Germans? Maybe it’s enough to live in the past, the Cold War ended already about 20 years ago, the Second World War is already 68, who is fighting with whom and where now? If you think in the level of the 16th century, you will remain in it ..

I totally agree. I am very upset by the bone and stupidity of many "compatriots." They live according to the principle "I will frostbite my ears to spite my grandmother."

[ZhuDkiyDrugg]

Yes, the article makes you think. It remains with the minke whales with a hundred of our MBYRs to sell and there will be a "song" ...

[gregor6549]

Another crazy idea of ​​cooperation between Russia and its longtime enemy Turkey in the military sphere. No, Turkey, of course, will thank Russia for this, but does Russia need such "gratitude" that is the question? After all, it is not at all excluded that in the foreseeable future Russian pilots will be shot down with "Russian Turkish products", in which 99.99% of advanced technologies will be Russian and only the finger on the red button will be 100% Turkish

[waisson]

Wed ............ to them our antees if the patriots give them a freebie. and again the word may yes NATO will not allow

[JonnyT]

AAA ..... I think the title is not accurate, Turkey wants to get intelligence about our air defense! Apparently, the Israeli raid showed that they (the enemy) did not have enough data, there are problems in overcoming them, and here Turkey looms with a partnership ...... Putin, if he is friends with Endrogan, then I will begin to believe that he eats children with him!

[kind]

Do not be boiled over. Let ours supply them with these complexes, and during "H" they either will not be able to launch the missiles, or the missiles will fly into their own planes! In Afghanistan, our perfume cartridges were sold with TNT instead of gunpowder. They exploded when fired. So it can be with these complexes. The Turkish operator pressed a button, and flew with his crew to a new place of residence - to heaven.

[Lopatov]

It's too difficult to execute. If at least one such "bookmark" is found, it is possible to put an end to Russian military exports.

[Vtel]

April 1 seems to have passed, or this is the work of our "Fifth" column. How many Turks do not feed halva, they will never become our friends.

[Metlik]

Instead of being sold to everyone who has money as a whore, our government should demand from the Turks that the main Orthodox church - Hagia Sophia be returned to the Orthodox.

[Mr.M]

What an irony. Let us then also "develop" ICBMs and next-generation aviation together with the United States.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Mr.M

next generation aviation together with the United States to "develop"

As a matter of fact, why not? We are all well aware that there are problems with electronic products in Russia. And they are huge, I must say. So why not start "cooperation"? Our glider, our circuits, their electronic stuffing. But don't give them the software! After all, they by any means block our electronics sales channels. They live by the principle: Me and ME alone.

[Pacifist]

Considering Mr. Erdogan’s recent statements, it’s not just contracts, he shouldn’t sit down on the same field.

[King]

We can’t understand the tricky game that the GDP started. We hope that the KGB’s instinct will not let him down.

[Yeraz]

Again the Turks began, our eternal enemies were some battles in the 16-19th century, they remember so much. Ahuu people, France burned Moscow, but for some reason buy its weapons quietly, the Germans tumbled down how many people, and all Russia persistently buy German products. Victims and losses Christian brothers are many times higher than with the Turks, but nobody considers it shameful to go there to buy large quantities of their goods.
Firstly, Turkey joined NATO only because Stalin wanted to attack him, the Turks themselves did not tolerate Europeans and vice versa, they simply had to unite with them in the first historical period, but getting out of there is not so easy, it’s not a CSTO dummy for you!
Many people want to wrest Turkey from the clutches of NATO, but how to do it, how countries become strategic partners, either in the wake of a common warag or when there is a multidimensional partnership in all sectors, so to speak, linking the economies of the two countries to each other, the trade turnover is huge and the gap will harm both of them countries, Russia wants to bind Turkey with slow, cautious steps to its technology in order to compete with NATO there, it’s not a fact that it will happen, but there are attempts if nothing is done, and the Turks constantly repeat our eternal enemies, then nothing will be achieved.
Russia sees Turkey’s desire for a more independent policy and wants to take advantage of it. It will not be a quick process, but the main thing is it is going on.
And about the fact that Russia and Turkey have never been allies, well, I remember when Lenin and Ataturk were even more friendly and the tanks with oil products went in huge quantities from Baku, and even weapons, but the scope of communist atheism was Islamic state wu Lenin could not offer anything, and then Stalin drove Turkey into NATO with his threats.
If then Lenin would choose the right strategy in relation to Turkey, it would be next to the USSR.

[lilit.193]

But are they already unable to create anything?

[Ak 12]

In general, you don’t have to do anything with Turkey, otherwise we will develop this air defense with them, and they will put it on the border with Syria and they will shoot down Syrian helicopters

[il grand casino]

Well, I hope that even if they develop it (which I would not want), then by then the issue with Syria will already be solved (which I would very much like)

[ayyildiz]

According to the highest Turkish military leadership, Russian military equipment has proven itself well in operations against illegal armed groups of separatists and terrorist groups, Rosoboronexport said.

Small arms and RPGs, but well proven, but not armored personnel carriers