What do young people know about the Great Patriotic War

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Modern youth confuses Zhukov with Suvorov, they stopped teaching in schools history, in the head of students of porridge from dates, gleaned on Wikipedia - such is the common opinion about the cultural level of graduates of schools and universities. Is it so? Have new generations really lost touch with their great-grandfathers and do not want to know the history of their country?

On the eve of another anniversary of Victory in World War II, PRAVMIR conducted a survey among students at four Moscow universities: the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation, the Moscow Road Transport Institute (STU), the Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov and the Orthodox St. Tikhon University.

We asked questions:

Has anyone in your family fought? Are there any awards? What did the relatives in the family say about the war?
Do you remember the dates of the beginning and end of the Second World War?
What are the main battles?
How would you describe Hitler's ideology? What motivated them, why did he start a war, why did people get exterminated? How would you characterize the Soviet Stalinist ideology of that period?
Do you know military poems and songs?
Your favorite movie or book about war?
Students were in a hurry for couples, they were afraid of the camera, they simply weren't ready to talk. He agreed to answer, well, if every tenth.



Those who responded, sometimes confused World War II and Great Patriotic War, did not name the USSR among the allies - the USA, and Germany - Japan, often could not remember poems and songs about the war, and sometimes even used the word "Entente".

What do young people know about the Great Patriotic WarAt this point, you can fall into a cultural and humanitarian depression and grieve about historical unconsciousness. But I will not.

... A student at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation. On the blouse pinned St. George ribbon - is to congratulate the veterans. He reads an excerpt from "Vasily Terkin" on camera.

... Undergraduates MADI - in detail and thoughtfully talk about the ideology of fascism.

... A girl from Svyato-Tikhonovsky - shining with joy, speaks about military songs, comparing them with a prayer.

... Near the 1 of the MSU Humanities Corps, students discuss the last concert in honor of Victory Day. No, no, someone goes to the monument to the dead students and employees of Moscow State University who died during the war.

Economists, techies, theologians and humanists. We specifically chose four different universities, so that the students' answers turned out to be more diverse.

Something in which they coincided absolutely.

In their words and voices poorly concealed pride in the feats of great-grandfathers sounds. They are embarrassed if they cannot remember something: “What a horror! I forgot all the war songs "," Here is a shame! I don’t remember a single battle! ”,“ When did Germany invade Poland? Oh, how embarrassing! They are trying to analyze the fascist and Soviet ideology, compare, avoid unfounded estimates.

Today's student is watching “Only old people go to battle”, reads “And the Dawns Here are Quiet”, listens and sings “Katyusha”. Today's student goes to congratulate veterans. Today's student, to the question: “Did your relatives participate in the Great Patriotic War?” He raised his eyebrows in surprise and answered with an unlearned voice: “There is no family in our country that the war would not affect.”

Today's students are farther from the war, if only because their great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers who had fought talked about it, more often than not, for too long, but their grandparents did not find it.

Besides - globalism, the borders in the world are thinning. Gradually, the Great Patriotic War becomes an episode, albeit expensive and tragic, the Second World War, the Second World War - an episode of the history of the XX century, and the XX century has passed, it is only a date in the passport, and continues to be rapidly removed.

But what can be called "historical unconsciousness", today's young people do not have.

Happy Victory Day!

Text writer - Maria Senchukova
Video - Valery Bogatov
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  1. Epiphans
    -26
    6 May 2013 18: 33
    As if schoolchildren should remember this. What is obvious to Soviet youth is not obvious to Russian.
    1. Nevsky
      +40
      6 May 2013 18: 39
      And once again, once again, for young people and not only, remember this:

      1. 0
        7 May 2013 18: 32
        yes, in the sense of patriotic education, the citadel didn’t lie close
    2. +24
      6 May 2013 18: 39
      Schoolchildren should not, but are even obliged to know the history of their country! It does not matter what the regime was and what party in power! We live in one state and the story is common and it does not matter what power.
      1. Slayer
        +17
        6 May 2013 18: 43
        This is all due to the fact that they destroyed the Soviet system of education, the best in the world. And when the last Soviet teachers left schools, then we will be completely dumbfounded ...
        1. +9
          6 May 2013 21: 24
          The dullness is already coming! Thanks to the reform of education, the introduction of the Unified State Exam, the truncation of basic subjects for the sake of physical education, the incomprehensible subject "My Choice", methodological instructions on subjects that cut the supply of subjects, and much more. And what about the fact that the further from May 9, 1945, the less young people are interested in war, war heroes, battles. Yes, they know something about the war, read books, watch films, but they do not have what we, born in the fifties, had - communication with those who directly fought, forged Victory in the rear. we talked with them and listened to their stories, there were relatives among them. neighbors, honorary pioneers of the schools in which we studied. Time passes, veterans leave, and with them their memories and stories of the war go away. And they are better than any book or movie.
          1. +11
            6 May 2013 22: 43
            I was "made" in 79th. I remember something from the stories of my grandfather and his friends. But why did I ask so little! Now there is no one.
            1. adg76
              +8
              6 May 2013 23: 03
              I asked my grandfather, but he did not like to talk about her. From 43 at the front, 45. of them, more than half are in the hospital with severe wounds. here she is war
              1. mankurt
                +2
                6 May 2013 23: 25
                Quote: adg76
                he did not like to talk about her


                Your grandfather is a war veteran, and that explains everything.
                Thanks to the war veterans for the fact that their grandchildren and great-grandchildren do not know who the Nazis are.
                Many millions of war veterans have given their lives for our peaceful sky.
                1. mankurt
                  +2
                  7 May 2013 00: 15

                  Occupation? I love swimming

                  Concentration camp? There, apparently, fun ...

                  Bombardment? No, I have not heard ...
            2. +5
              6 May 2013 23: 25
              Quote: FC Skif
              Now there is no one else.

              Why "no one"? I was born in 58, my grandfather died in 41, my father was still small when the war began ... But our generation was lucky: hundreds of thousands of veterans were alive, many were still working, the connection between generations did not stop, memories and pain from experienced. It sits in the subcortex of everyone ... Communicate more with veterans, and just with older people, in them is the wisdom of life.
              1. vilenich
                +1
                7 May 2013 04: 36
                Quote: Colonel
                I was born in 58th

                A slightly different situation was. After all, only 13 years have passed since the war! And with the rest I completely agree.
            3. +1
              7 May 2013 19: 54
              Quote: FC Skif
              his friends. But why am I so small

              Oh dear! I don’t have a grandfather, my dad fought. But I ask myself the same questions as you — well, why did I ask so little? Why didn’t I write something down so as not to forget? ... Although I must admit that those who fought didn’t really talk about the war. They sought to forget the troubles, that blood, fear, losses, as soon as possible. They wanted peace , silence, after all, very many were still very young guys .... So you and I are absolute comrades here, although we are fairly well-spaced in age ... And young people should not be blamed so much for ignorance. Many of us know about the war of 1812 schematically, according to the school curriculum, and someone deeply and in detail.
          2. +1
            7 May 2013 16: 11
            But now there are a lot of young people who remember that Nazism is istan, Stalin-byak, and you saved Europe ... who is to blame? Probably yourself. My father buzzed all ears to me in childhood about the war, his grandfather told him. I will not forget ... and my duty to do so that my children would not forget. And then do not care about education.
      2. Epiphans
        -15
        6 May 2013 18: 43
        It does not matter what the regime was and what party in power!
        ъ
        Actually, it does. For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of a scoop and communists.
        1. Slayer
          +16
          6 May 2013 18: 46
          Quote: Epiphanes
          Actually, it does. For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of a scoop and communists.

          Anyone should know about the great and valiant victory of the Red Army! It is with them that you are punished that someone else can teach and educate your son
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              1. +3
                6 May 2013 20: 32
                Quote: Ribwort
                Admit, among them, after all, were not your relatives? Maybe because they then reasoned in a similar way?
                Your message has been deleted in vain, but I'll just quote it. Comrades, moderators, what did this person say wrongly?
            2. +15
              6 May 2013 19: 21
              Ahah idiot, do you say corpses? Comparing the military losses of 6000000 million from the German side and 8000000 from ours, the ratio of 1: 1,3. And those other 20000000 million civilians, this is the action of Nazi concentration camps and the politics of fascism. Give us a wish, we also cut, shot and burned in the ovens would have been equal to the Germans, but would have lost face. Archival documents read ignoramus and)))
              1. Melchakov
                +6
                6 May 2013 19: 30
                And there were allies vassals.
              2. mankurt
                +5
                6 May 2013 23: 31
                Quote: T-100
                Archival documents read ignoramus




                Lviv 30 June-4 July 1941 -4000 dead



                If running away from fear at the sight of hanging or execution, they shot after, as if possible accomplice.
                1. 0
                  7 May 2013 06: 43
                  Quote: mankurt
                  Lviv 30 June-4 July 1941 -4000 dead


                  And where, in Lviv now, they wrote, they’re not going to celebrate Victory Day on May 9, but to celebrate mourning day?
            3. +11
              6 May 2013 19: 38
              You're right. "Mode" matters. The valor and courage of our soldiers and officers has always been unparalleled in all ages. But. We lost the Crimean War. The Japanese War - lost. World War I - lost. And the blame was the power - the regime. And only the Soviet government, the CPSU were able to rally the people around them. They were able to build an industrial state capable of opposing industrialized Europe.
              And according to the latest data, not Soviet, notice the loss ratio of 1: 1,3. Most of the civilians died. Why? Read Hitler and Goebels.
              I understand. People are different. Each with its own worldview.
              But for such a picture you need to tear off the piers. For from a freak normal children cannot be born. You must not breed.
              It’s good that my grandfather did not live to see this shame.
              1. +1
                6 May 2013 22: 33
                I would not say ... Krymskaya lost because they overestimated their strength and therefore did not reform their armaments. And the Russian-Japanese (1904-1905) in the Far East is a difficult geographical situation and not populated. They didn’t have time to finish the transib to Vladivostok and killed Stolypin, who pursued a policy of settling Siberia and the Far East. Also affected by intra-state social problems)))
            4. +4
              6 May 2013 19: 46
              As you know, we have two troubles - fools and roads. Here you are Epifantsev this is the first trouble.
            5. luka095
              +3
              6 May 2013 20: 33
              "The one whose corpses they threw? Thanks, no need."
              Yes, when "it is not necessary", you can just frankly turn everything upside down.
              Nobody knows the exact figures of losses - they are constantly updated.
              The Americans determined the number of dead and missing German soldiers at 5 million 100 thousand. And on the Eastern Front, the allies of Germany also fought. How many of them died in Russia is not exactly known.
              According to Russian estimates, 8 million 668 thousand people were killed, died of wounds, and did not return from captivity. Of this number, 2.5 million deaths in captivity can be taken away. It turns out a little more than 6 million dead in battle.
              And you need to be proud of everyone who defended their homeland from invaders!
              1. 0
                7 May 2013 20: 05
                Quote: luka095
                you need to be proud of everyone who defended their homeland from invaders!

                And not only that, it’s also necessary to be proud of those who worked 18 hours a day in the rear, who treated, fed, armed and washed the army. If it weren’t for the rear, not these guys behind the machines, not the women driving cars, it would be hard to beat , and maybe not ... I’m ready to bow to all of them at the feet.
          2. heavy tank
            -23
            6 May 2013 20: 38
            and at the cost of 40 million people who introduced stupid leaders like Stalin
            1. sergei
              +2
              6 May 2013 21: 31
              learn Russian language
            2. Slayer
              +3
              6 May 2013 21: 43
              Quote: heavytank
              and at the cost of 40 million people who introduced stupid leaders like Stalin

              Learn history, read books, then maybe you wiser. Read about the plan "Ost" because of which so many civilians were destroyed by the Germans, and Stalin was the greatest leader who managed to raise the industry in such a difficult time and overtake the Germans in armament, and by the beginning of the war, our KVs were horrifying the Germans. And the losses in the first years, if you read books, are due to the generals of the civil war who led the army, sent cavalry to the tanks, the main commandment was to beat in the forehead, etc.
              1. +1
                7 May 2013 17: 22
                Quote: Slayer
                sent cavalry to tanks

                Can you give a concrete example? Or for a red word blurted out? Or were they mixed up with the Polish cavalry in the fall of 1939?
                Quote: Slayer
                the main covenant beat in the forehead

                The civil war was maneuverable, "hitting the head" is not from there No.
            3. adg76
              +1
              6 May 2013 23: 15
              It is not for us to judge him. Each era has its own standards of morality and responsibility. We have not yet done even a tenth of what was done under him in the USSR. So far we are just eating. And you are in Kazakhstan as well. You had 20 years to build a society free from the "rotten influence of imperial Russia." I will answer with the well-known words "And things are still there!" And if you are so fond of condemning, then let's condemn any European state during the era of the Renaissance. When there were genius creators of art, and whole orders of the Holy Inquisition
            4. vilenich
              +1
              7 May 2013 04: 43
              Quote: heavytank
              and at the cost of 40 million people who introduced stupid leaders like Stalin

              It’s you who only read Solzhenitsyn!
              Better study the statistical studies of Krivosheev!
        2. +13
          6 May 2013 19: 13
          Quote: Epiphanes
          For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of the scoop and the Communists.

          You will probably be surprised, but we were not raised by the patriots of the scoop and the communists. First of all, by the patriots of their COUNTRY. Yes, the country at that time was socialist and was led by its communist party. So what?
          Following your logic, are today's patriots patriots of shit democracy and United Russia? And until 1917 - the patriots of the monarchy and the king?
        3. +9
          6 May 2013 19: 18
          I apologize for the intrusion, but:
          Quote: Epiphanes
          It does not matter what the regime was and what party in power!
          ъ
          For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of the scoop and the Communists.

          Are you disconcerted by the fact that this victory was won by our ancestors under the leadership of the Bolsheviks? Like we were so bad then that we would rather lose? So what?
          There’s sure to be a weird (different letter) holiday. Well, you don’t like the Reds and everything connected with them, find the unfinished fascists somewhere, and sing there a whisper of horsta-wessel under the pillow, why the hell would people take it?
        4. kerozin1982
          +9
          6 May 2013 19: 21
          I found the USSR in my childhood, a good time. And let your son be raised by Judas and traders. Your son will say "thank you"
          1. +3
            6 May 2013 22: 09
            Quote: kerozin1982
            .The son will "thank you"

            For a fee Yes
        5. +6
          6 May 2013 19: 47
          It so happened that in Russia the state, ideology and people were almost never a single whole! Celebrating the Victory Day on May 9, we pay tribute to the WINNING PEOPLE first, and only then to the social order that existed then! My family is one of the "confused" people, but my grandfather and four of his brothers fought, they were not communists even once ...
          Do you really want to "dissociate" from your grandfathers for "ideological reasons"?
        6. luka095
          +3
          6 May 2013 19: 59
          Would you like to see your son as a patriot of your homeland?
          Or a patriot of "democratic freedoms"?
      3. Reasonable, 2,3
        +3
        7 May 2013 00: 30
        We are to blame. They were chasing money. And our children are listening to all kinds of rubbish.
    3. +2
      6 May 2013 18: 41
      In order for young people to know the history, films need to be made normal and for censorship to pass, so that it does not work out like with vomiting. "The most important of the arts for us is cinema." Young people read little books now.
    4. +6
      6 May 2013 18: 56
      Quote: Epiphanes
      As if schoolchildren should remember this.

      They not only must they, but also must remember and know how it was and to whom they owe their lives! soldier
    5. +5
      6 May 2013 19: 09
      Quote: Epiphanes
      As if schoolchildren should remember this.

      What do you think, in this case, it is worth remembering to modern schoolchildren? Share your thoughts.
    6. luka095
      +4
      6 May 2013 19: 55
      One homeland, of course, must remember. And why do you think that today's Russian youth should be forgotten?
  2. +7
    6 May 2013 18: 35
    Yes, our youth does not know anything about the Second World War. A vivid example of this is Miss Russia Inna Zhirkova. To basic questions such as who is Agnia Barto and what revolves around what? The earth around the sun or vice versa - the sun around the earth? She could not give an answer. What can I say about the history of our state .. my former workmate could not answer my question - who is Hitler? I do not want to offend anyone, but a generation of cattle is growing in our country.
    1. +1
      6 May 2013 19: 42
      Quote: dimon-media
      Our youth does not know about the Second World War. A vivid example of this is Miss Russia Inna Zhirkova

      Why so? They didn’t ask about WWII)).
    2. 0
      7 May 2013 21: 48
      Quote: dimon-media
      but in our country with you a generation of cattle is growing.

      And they were brought to us from the planet Jupiter? Why not admit that these are our children, our grandchildren, nephews? That we hoped that everything would settle down without our control and influence? We will earn them a living for now, and there we will explain what's what ... It’s not settled down and the guilty must be sought not on the side, but in the mirror, first of all.
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  4. +9
    6 May 2013 18: 37
    Efforts and billions of dollars are wasted. allocated by our "potential partners" for the elimination of our historical heritage. Happy Victory Day to all compatriots.
  5. avt
    +7
    6 May 2013 18: 39
    Quote: Epiphanes
    What is obvious to Soviet youth is not obvious to Russian.

    More likely for the Russian ponimash.
    Quote: Epiphanes
    As if schoolchildren should remember this.

    Obliged! At least by the fact that they live. Well, the fact that for dashing years they still did not completely eradicate the Spirit of Victory from the People to the end is a joy. Here, as in the bible, for now, at least one decent person will not perish like sod and homer. The main Victory Parade is to prevent the general people from replacing the sauce with de-Stalinization to replace the gay parade.
  6. +4
    6 May 2013 18: 40
    I absolutely agree with the conclusions of the author of the article. Despite the obvious gaps in history as a whole, young people, with rare exceptions, have a correct idea of ​​the Great Patriotic War. And it is precisely in recent years that interest in studying one's history and the level of patriotism has nevertheless increased. It is becoming fashionable to be a patriot, despite the fact that my very phrase about "fashionable" I don’t like ... but it’s better so ... However, it is depressing that there is little concrete knowledge, that the myths replicated in films catch the youth more than serious information ... Therefore, our filmmakers, monstrously distorting the historical truth, in particular, about the War, must be hit on the buttocks with a stick until the conscience starts ...
  7. SEM
    SEM
    +8
    6 May 2013 18: 49
    When we completely forget about the Second World War, you need to be prepared for a new Great Patriotic War, it looks like a law !!!
  8. +11
    6 May 2013 18: 51
    Very nice clip. The entry is only long. I recommend to see it, especially for schoolchildren and those who do not know what WWII is.
  9. +8
    6 May 2013 18: 51
    Quote: Epiphanes
    As if schoolchildren should remember this. What is obvious to Soviet youth is not obvious to Russian.

    My grandfather fought in the Great Patriotic War, his brother, who died in battle, also fought, my grandfather returned with wounds. His wife’s grandfather also fought and died during the destruction of the Bandera bastards. I am sure a similar story has occurred in many other families, but apparently not in yours, since you allow yourself such words.
  10. -1
    6 May 2013 18: 55
    Not so simple. Only with the arrival of ANOTHER Putin did something begin to change. Five years ago, on June 22, at a dinner table in the reserve, pupils of military patriotic clubs (12-14 years old) after mountain assault training asked the question: what day is it? thought and failed to answer.
    And two years ago, my nephew (10 years), when I scolded him for a deuce in Russian, answered: Why do you need to know Russian if you need English for work?
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    2. djon3volta
      +7
      6 May 2013 19: 17
      Quote: ctepx
      But why know Russian if you need English for work?

      will your nephew work in England? and who does he want to work with? Does your nephew go to the swamp already walks? wassat

      Compare your nephew with this kid, and think about it.
      1. +2
        6 May 2013 21: 01
        C'mon, the guys who died in Chechnya, too, probably in childhood, maybe it’s either wrong or wrong. They must be loved by men who will die if something happens
    3. +10
      6 May 2013 19: 21
      It's not about my nephew)). I already have it in the Cadet. It's about a hostile to us (as a country) education system and youth education system. This is a dream! For our budget money, future enemies of Russia are brought up)).
      And the fact that we PRIVATE resist this simply gives a special piquancy for "pseudo-superhumans".
      We'll have to deal with laws and the constitution)).
      1. Hudo
        +3
        6 May 2013 20: 15
        Quote: ctepx
        It's not about my nephew)). He’s already in my cadet’s


        Quote: ctepx
        And two years ago, my nephew (10 years), when I scolded him for a deuce in Russian, answered: Why do you need to know Russian if you need English for work?


        Maybe in the cadet corps the brains will be corrected, since the parents and relatives did not manage to explain why the RUSSIAN language is in RUSSIA !!!
        1. +2
          7 May 2013 02: 59
          quote = Hudo] since parents and relatives did not manage to explain why RUSSIAN is in RUSSIA !!! [/ quote]
          When I heard, I was very surprised)). And explained naturally. And asked where he got it from. So, he took it at school from communicating with students and teachers)). [
  11. +20
    6 May 2013 18: 58
    Not so bad. All is not lost.
    1. +5
      6 May 2013 19: 12
      Quote: Renat
      All is not lost

      Not all, not all)).
      But how many "textbooks" have been published, how many grants have been received ...
      The words "military-patriotic" are still outlawed. For "civil-patriotic" education, the budgets of all levels have been shattered.
    2. +6
      6 May 2013 19: 16
      Renat

      Great photo, good especially against the background of current articles and some Troll comments !!!
      1. +2
        6 May 2013 19: 31
        About the photo. Come on not too lazy on www.patriot24.ru)).
        Just keep in mind that the guys do all this beauty in spite of, and not with the help of! So there you go.
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    4. +16
      6 May 2013 19: 32
      Quote: Renat
      Not so bad. All is not lost

      Alas, the veterans are leaving.
      On Saturday, May 4, on the 103 year of life, Pskov, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, the oldest Russian paratrooper Alexei Sokolov, died.
      1. +16
        6 May 2013 19: 36
        bright memory to the Hero and the veteran of the airborne forces
        1. +10
          6 May 2013 19: 41
          Every year the system of veterans is thinning. Very sorry. But what to do is life. But this is what happens all the time.
  12. +2
    6 May 2013 19: 08
    And what do we all know about that war, especially about its beginning? After all, so many things are piled up and no one can get to the truth. Maybe it's time to open the archives and dot all e?
    1. +2
      6 May 2013 21: 14
      - Accurate accounting will increase the importance of victory?
      1. 0
        7 May 2013 06: 21
        Where did you find in my post a mention of accounting? And were there only victories in that war? There was a lot of things there that we still don't know about, but only guess or speculate. After all, the insult to the memory of millions of the fallen, missing, tortured in concentration camps and the "messing up" of the brains, as comrade Stehr put it below, consists precisely in the truth about what really happened in the war and why.
        Moreover, these attempts, as 22 / 06 / 41 began with the first bulletin of the Information Bureau, have still not stopped. And now to figure out where the truth is, and where the lie without genuine documents is no longer possible. And instead of simply opening and publishing these documents, which for a long time do not contain any state secrets, there is an endless and fruitless polemic similar to the Panikovsky-Balaganov polemic.
        Finally, give people themselves, without the comments of "historians' writers" of all stripes and interpretations, the opportunity to read these documents and understand what actually happened then. I am sure that there will be more than enough such people who want to understand, including among the younger generation. It is not as stupid this generation as many would like to see it. Yes, and he has enough education to understand where the truth is and where, excuse me, bullshit. And where they themselves do not understand, there you can invite specialists on specific, and not "perverse" issues. They will help. The main thing is to have data, and it will be easier to sort out the arguments. And the brains will be cleaner for everyone, and not just for young people.
        1. 0
          7 May 2013 22: 03
          Quote: gregor6549
          which for a long time do not contain any state secrets,

          So far they contain. The Americans, the British and other French also did not open archives related to the Second World War .... We have been talking about opening archives since the late 80s, but things are still there. There is only one conclusion for one reason or another It is early. I’ll clarify right away that my point of view coincides with yours, but nothing depends on us.
          1. 0
            8 May 2013 13: 49
            How can you keep history secret and for what? Recognizing that we are not supposed to know the most important periods of our history means that there are many other stories. True (it is also secret) and invented (they are also open). And on the example of which of these stories you need to educate young people. She, the youth, is quirky, and you cannot fool her on the chaff. Especially with the advent of the Internet she. youth learned to climb into the most classified databases. What to us, the elderly is already too tough. And here you are, young people, arguments and facts from one story, and she immediately opposite arguments and facts from another, third or tenth.
            And further. Why should we look back to the West? Let him solve his own problems, including historical ones. We would like to solve our own. At least with the history of their own country
            1. 0
              9 May 2013 13: 41
              -I'm why I'm asking this: It's fashionable now to calculate everything - Who has what losses (preferably more precisely) in manpower? and in technology? and who spent what sums on the war? But this comrade gave the "wrong" orders, but this one filled up the enemies with corpses, but this decision of the command was not rational, and a revision of the feat went ... And dig up the "curious" can do this ... and it will turn out that, war it was possible to win "cheaper" and faster - from the point of view of inquisitive managers! Even now they say that Mengele and others like him made an invaluable contribution to modern medicine and pharmacology. As if for numbers and facts not to overlook the main thing ... If you remember: "To bring the order to the personnel, as far as it concerns ...."
  13. +8
    6 May 2013 19: 09
    Grouting the memory of the Great War is one of the stages in the brainwashing of our youth. And "our" filmmakers are actively involved in this process. We need powerful propaganda, because we have to defend again what we won 68 years ago.
    And even here, on the site, some "people" hidden behind nicknames are trying to offend the memory of the heroes, of the fallen, and everything related to the Great Victory.
    Tue why it is necessary to talk about it again and again, to remind, to teach. For defeat is simply unacceptable now.
  14. +6
    6 May 2013 19: 22
    I was pleased with the answer that almost all of our families had somehow affected the war. So, the memory is alive.
  15. +2
    6 May 2013 19: 43
    In our families, this is the only way to act, support and tell, select books and films. Only now, alas, judging by the schools and "our programs and textbooks" - even worse than yours. Although Tabachnik (Minister of Education) is trying to rectify the situation, but ...
    Kiev, March 21 (New Region, Dmitry Skvortsov) - In assessing the outcome of World War II, Ukrainian students are increasingly moving away from their peers from Russia, Belarus and Transnistria.

    Relevant data was published by the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISI), which conducted research on school essays on World War II, written by high school students from post-socialist states.

    According to Tamara Guzenkova, head of the Center for Research on Problems of the Near Abroad Countries of RISI, told Ukrainian a weekly newspaper 2000, in all countries, students perceive the Second World War as the largest and worst event of the twentieth century, and in all of world history.

    “Most students are still convinced that it was the victory of the Soviet Union that saved their peoples from slavery or physical destruction. But there are other opinions. Some writings of Ukrainian students regret that fascist Germany was defeated - if the fascists captured, for example, Ukraine, then it would now be much richer and more prosperous, ”she said.

    According to the researcher, this is a result of the views expressed in textbooks. However, the attitude of Ukrainian schoolchildren towards Ukrainian textbooks is not the same in different regions of the state: “By geography, we can not even talk about separation, but about antagonism. If students from the western regions are closest in their assessments to the views expressed in the textbooks, then students from the east and south are extremely distant. In the center and in Kiev, directly opposite assessments of the results of the Second World War were made by schoolchildren sitting at neighboring desks, ”said Guzenkova.

    The Institute’s specialists conclude that many of the Ukrainian children “are characterized by a depressive perception of the outcome of the war, since it is not clear who the hero is and who the traitor is. For what they fought and whom they defeated. They cannot fully call either Bandera or Kosmodemyanskaya heroes. ”

    At the same time, according to Guzenkova, “Belarusian, Russian and Transnistrian schoolchildren recognize themselves as heirs of the winners, have elevated patriotic feelings, and are proud of the country's past. Therefore, they mainly describe battles and battles, unlike, say, peers from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria - countries that find themselves in the fascist coalition. Those describe the war for the most part through the realities of the concentration camps located on their territory. For the Czechs, in addition, the betrayal of the West in Munich (the corresponding chapter is called “Czech Republic - the first victim of Nazism”), as well as the underestimation of their role, even if not a big resistance movement, still remains a national wound. On the other hand, modern schoolchildren from these countries are so far from realities that they believe that it was possible to call back relatives and friends who are free from labor camps. ”

    “What unites all the essays is that in all states“ national ”pictures of the war are formed (when, for example, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine are considered as independent entities that have made the greatest contribution to the Victory), Tamara Guzenkova sums up.
    NR2.ru: http://www.nr2.ru/kiev/430144.html

    That's how we are pitted - Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians. Divide and conquer the principle for dozens of centuries, but it still acts and is apparently not bad. In that war, no one even bothered about nationality; there were only two criteria: ours and enemies. And for the last 20 years, the division has only been visible: by nationality, religiosity, political views, territoriality, military service, etc.
    1. 0
      7 May 2013 05: 45
      Quote: Egoza
      On the other hand, modern schoolchildren from these countries are so far from reality that they believe that it was possible to call back relatives and friends who are free from labor camps. ”

      For them, the Buchenwald Nabat sounds like a ringtone in a mobile ... Very regrettable!
  16. +11
    6 May 2013 19: 43
    the current situation can only say one thing. Most, excuse me for being so rude, don't give a fuck. I go to the institute, a friend greets me with a ridge. To the question ah **** he doesn’t want to get it, he said what’s wrong with that? He had to explain long and hard, and he listened with his mouth open. And where does it all come from, where? No, not from school, but from the family. If from childhood they told me about how my great-grandfather fought, and from childhood I read books like "Banner over the Reichstag" (written clearly and easily), then I am still interested in the Great Patriotic War and the Second World War in general. I am now 19 years old, but in spite of what the majority of spinogryses turn into, I feel hurt and scared for our future. And what will they learn from, from modern films? Or maybe this stupid anime? Recently I saw a group in contact, Anime is better than Veterans. Moreover, the administration boldly declared that no rights were violated. We must act now, we are already in many ways late. But little depends on us, on us ordinary citizens. Until, first of all, the Ministry of Education does not raise this issue on the main agenda, we will not be able to fix anything with you.
    1. +2
      6 May 2013 23: 04
      A young man, there is Mr. Onishchenko, who heads a certain structure called upon to monitor the level of gov..a on the Internet, you can tell him about the page you mentioned (I looked through it, the creator behaves like a victim). This will be the right thing to do — be careful not be afraid.

      I shot a link to the GDP website, they did not unsubscribe from its administration
    2. 0
      7 May 2013 22: 27
      Quote: Barvetum
      But little depends on us, ordinary citizens depend on us.

      I dare to assure you that, first of all, it depends on us, as you put it “ordinary citizens.” Before a child goes to school and reads a history textbook, who prevents him from telling him about the events as he knows and understands? Agree that NOBODY !!! But we, as a rule, do not have enough time for children. To feed, yes! To wash, put to sleep, no problem! And to talk ... After all, then there will be no time to sit, write comments about anything. ..That's what strangers uncles and aunts teach our children, and by and large they don't give a damn about what will grow out of YOUR child. These will already be your problems ... So you just need to stop thinking that the state is obliged to bring up children. It is a duty and duty parents and loved ones. Remember the emigration of the first wave (after the revolution). People ended up in a foreign country, with a foreign language, orders, but taught their children the Russian language, history at HOME. And strange as it may seem to you, they grew up with love for You can dislike them as much as you want, but it's worth learning from them how to educate them patriotism. Can you imagine someone of them who would dishonor their Motherland (and there is no difference where they live) .. .So everything depends on us. And only on us. What kind of seed is a tribe.
  17. waisson
    +4
    6 May 2013 20: 11
    I will argue that they know a little 10 percent of what we knew, and this happens because the level of patriotic education is at zero and the teaching staff is not very literate. I remember my teachers who went through the war PEOPLE HEROES !!!!
    1. heavy tank
      -18
      6 May 2013 20: 41
      the one who fought in the war is a hero. while cowards like Stalin sat in comfortable cabinets with a smelly foot and simply ordered the period to go. so many people died through Stalin's fault, even fluctuating up to 40 million.
      1. Hudo
        +6
        6 May 2013 21: 50
        heavytank

        ақымақтың ашуы сөзінде, ақылдының ашыы көзінде → anger in a fool in words, in a smart man in eyes
      2. Containers
        +3
        7 May 2013 00: 54
        As if to say softer something ... In general - learn Russian, it will come in handy. =)
      3. -1
        7 May 2013 22: 31
        Quote: heavytank
        ranges up to 40 million.

        I don’t think you were discharged from the yellow house? Have you really fled?
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  20. Dimkapvo
    +7
    6 May 2013 20: 50
    All is not lost! In addition to the club fools with ponytails - whose day is March 8 and frankly spiteful from self-realization of ignoramuses, there are a huge number of young people who were also not born in the "Sovka", but they love their Motherland and do not want another for themselves, do not mow from the army, are fighting in Georgia and Chechnya, jumping from the bridge for a fallen child, proudly wearing St. George ribbons on Victory Day. Yes, and on this site are far from elderly people, they will tear anyone for Russia. And potential policemen, marauders and Ivans of kinship who do not remember, unfortunately, will always be. I am glad that there are very few of them, and there are a lot of us ... just when you meet, you need to remember to beat their muzzles and everything will be fine!
    1. +2
      6 May 2013 21: 44
      Quote: DimkaPVO
      ... just when meeting you need to remember to beat their faces and everything will be fine!

      The fact of the matter is that I’m not afraid of the word nits, it’s only that there’s nothing to shit on open spaces, here they are unrecognized and inaccessible. And screaming in the street is such a gut. You can end up with a fifth point, similar to the banner of your beloved Wehrmacht division .
    2. 0
      7 May 2013 22: 35
      Quote: DimkaPVO
      but love homeland

      I would add to the above and search squads that find the dead, reburial them, if possible, establish names and inform relatives. Special thanks to them for this !!! And you for such a comment too!
  21. Moreman
    +9
    6 May 2013 20: 52
    Here you are talking about teachers, about the education system ... I am 20 years old at the moment. All that I know about the war was absorbed by me from the stories of grandparents, from books advised by my parents, from Soviet films ("Officers", " They fought for the Motherland "," The Story of a Real Man ", etc.), from poems and songs. The school did not give me anything new in this plan. Therefore, I have a firm conviction that the fault for not knowing the history of my Fatherland is greater degree lies with the parents. It is they who first of all have to lay a patriotic base in their children. Fortunately, there are a lot of ways and there is no need to "reinvent the wheel".
    1. sergei
      +6
      6 May 2013 21: 47
      I completely agree with you, I’m 32 years old, my great-grandfather lies near Vitebsk in a mass grave and my 7 year old son knows about it, the whole thing is in ourselves.
      1. +2
        6 May 2013 23: 07
        Iremember.com

        Read - useful - brains are in place. And better, first, the books of Drabkin. My great-grandfather - near Voronezh and there is no grave, he could not tell ...
    2. +2
      7 May 2013 03: 19
      Quote: Moreman
      The school did not give me anything new in this plan. Therefore, I have a firm belief that the blame for not knowing the history of my Fatherland lies more with the parents

      And let the state through the system of education and youth policy continue to conduct LGBT propaganda and a policy of discrediting military-patriotic education?
    3. -1
      7 May 2013 06: 57
      Quote: Moreman
      that the blame for ignorance of the history of their Fatherland lies with parents to a greater extent. It is they who first of all should lay the patriotic base in their children


      You guys just don’t fit the general sample - i.e. subjective already because you are present on this site :)
      In general, there is science and statistics, how much the family influences upbringing, and how much - the society represented by schools, streets, etc. Alas, you are a rare exception.
      What can we talk about now, when society is focused on other priorities - i.e. money? Why are you comparing 1 and 2, to put it culturally? Who remembers the USSR, everyone lived about the same way, they certainly wanted better, but there were still some foundations, ideology, principles, etc. And now - the only principle (besides the state one) is money.
      Everyone remembers Soviet patriotic films. Do you remember what years? Basically, as they say now, "the period of decaying socialism," the late 70s - early 80s, up to 84th. You see, in some ways he may have rotted, but in the education of patriotism, on the contrary, he flourished.
      And now? It costs money to make a movie. Yes, even publish a book. Then there was the social budget of the state. But not now. And for the sake of hope for the commercial success of a patriotic film, no one will shoot. Well, "we are from the future" is also a rare exception and a drop in the ocean. This is Zadornov, a clever girl, 20 years ago he said - "all for the money", and - patriotism too :(.
      Therefore, IMHO, you are in vain running into someone or something, this is the existing state system, so it needs to be ... well, I'm not calling for an uprising, let's say - to modify :). And what does the same Taburetkin have to do with it, he is, as the classics said, "a product of his era", the point is, by and large, is not in him, he is so, about nothing, a pawn in a big game ...
    4. 0
      7 May 2013 22: 38
      Quote: Moreman
      more lies with the parents.

      Bravo! Now I’m just convinced that you will pass on to your children that which you yourself know and will not blame anyone! I wish you happiness! And happy holiday1
  22. +5
    6 May 2013 20: 54
    -Sings well...
    1. Hudo
      +2
      6 May 2013 21: 51
      Quote: saygon66
      -Sings well..


      The main thing is true ...
  23. +4
    6 May 2013 21: 06
    Well, it turns out, is the state machine, thoughtlessly (or intentionally) refusing to conduct patriotic work? - Well, damn it, in general, there are no words ... - Digs a hole and for himself ...
    1. 0
      7 May 2013 03: 09
      Quote: PValery53
      does the state machine, by thoughtlessness (or intentionally), refuse to conduct patriotic work?

      All these years of timelessness have been engaged in education and youth in Russia so many funds, mainly American and German, that they push their elbows)).
      And if you take the trouble to read the "Law on Education" (even recently adopted) or regional laws "On Youth Policy", then you will not find there even a mention of military-patriotic education!
  24. Algor73
    +3
    6 May 2013 21: 39
    And it seems to me that the point of return to patriotism has already been passed. Young people nowadays are completely different - "grandmas", "cars" in their heads. They were brought up according to a completely different ideology. And it's not the family's fault. How can you teach patriotism if on TV, in newspapers, etc. there are no patriotic programs, articles, and parents are hammered with one thing - to get money, to feed the family. On TV, modern films about the war are not at all patriotic, but so, action films. Who are the current heroes in the youth, has anyone asked who they want to be like? And what were the answers? I doubt that Kosmodemyanskaya or Matrosov. If the state does not purposefully implement state programs, there will be no return. And it doesn't matter if it is in Ukraine, in Russia or in Kazakhstan. And further. The losses in the Second World War will be judged on another forum. Now the topic is not the same. Victory. And the Victory is really Great.
    1. Shveik
      +1
      6 May 2013 22: 02
      In vain you minus, maybe it is so, although I do not want to believe in it
    2. +4
      6 May 2013 22: 04
      Not everything you write
      But the family has its black sheep (which glowed here)
    3. -1
      7 May 2013 05: 29
      Quote: Algor73
      And it seems to me that the point of return to patriotism has already been passed. Young people nowadays are completely different - "grandmas", "cars" in their heads. They were brought up according to a completely different ideology.

      But the then-wartime boy probably has grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
      How did they grow up?...
  25. +3
    6 May 2013 21: 51
    Yes, we have different youth - like all of us. And for fun - they would ask the same thing from adults. I wonder what the results would be.
    1. Algor73
      +2
      6 May 2013 22: 32
      And what to ask adults, they have already taken place as individuals. But what kind of patriotism can be for those from whom it should come first, if their children are sent to study abroad, cars are bought by foreign cars, vacation travel to the Maldives, etc. And wherever possible, they blaspheme their own. I do not blame ordinary citizens, but those at the helm must answer, and answer, sooner or later
      1. -1
        7 May 2013 22: 52
        Quote: Algor73
        atriotism in those from whom it should come first

        Yes-ahh, deep thought !!!!! I would like details, how to proceed? Where? With what frequency? And most importantly, how to determine whether al no comes? ... Something absolutely has nothing to do with patriotism from you. How to be? .... A NORMAL MAN does not give a damn about who and what comes, he has his own opinion, his own point of view and he doesn’t look back at the (conditionally) city committee, does he think so? Does he hesitate along with the party line? ... In short, do you write such a dull question about adequacy. Or is your surname Udaltsov Tyutkin?
  26. DPN
    +3
    6 May 2013 22: 20
    YOUTH knows a little more about war than our generation knows about the war of 1812.
    1. Containers
      +2
      7 May 2013 00: 56
      Hm. We were told about the war for 12 years in quite some detail. Teachers may have been good?
  27. a jacket
    +5
    6 May 2013 23: 13
    Not so bad. Young people seek (as it does not seem strange) to learn everything in detail. The trend is obvious. After the Revolution of 17g, almost all of the technical intelligence fell to the west. And already at the end of the 20s, breakthrough achievements appeared in all high-tech industries in the USSR. From where? In the West, it is called a RUSSIAN engineering MIRACLE. And study it. Russia generates patriots with such a frequency that nothing can stop this generation from stopping, but even slowing down. Objectively proven fact. On what we are holding on.
    1. Algor73
      0
      6 May 2013 23: 42
      Well you are not very twenty-thirties. Who now wants to raise the country at such a price? Who wants to go to Siberia or Kolyma? Sixties - seventies - yes. Then there were Komsomol construction sites, the country was rising after the Second World War, then there was a sense of duty to the Motherland. And then no one else knew, and everyone believed that our country was the best. Look now, all the prominent artists and others who have money, for some reason, are buying real estate in America, then in France, etc. To be treated, like good afternoon, only abroad. And all this is done by the elite of society, those who need to set an example.
      1. +3
        7 May 2013 06: 30
        Believe me, there are those who want to raise their country (Russia) to the necessary heights at all costs. Even at the price you mean.
    2. adg76
      +2
      6 May 2013 23: 43
      Failed not all. Someone took a new system. Someone adapted to it. But they remained, and thanks to them, a generation of Soviet scientists grew up who managed to lead the country into leaders
  28. +15
    6 May 2013 23: 40
    And my grandfather, Gruznov, Vasily Ivanovich fought from autumn 1941 to May 1945, ended the war in Berlin. I am very proud of him !!!
  29. +3
    6 May 2013 23: 46
    And my grandfather, Gruznov, Vasily Ivanovich fought from the fall of 1941 to May 1945, ended the war in Berlin. I am very proud of him !!!
  30. +10
    7 May 2013 01: 42
    My father was born on May 15, 1941. Grandfather went to war on June 22, 1941. He died in battles for Ukraine. Lugansk. As we lacked Grandfather. I am proud of him.
  31. MG42
    +3
    7 May 2013 02: 45
    Now, in principle, I have grown a lot. TV of the product is filmed on the theme of the Second World War (judging by what is on television in Ukraine), only this is in the format of even serials, strikingly different from the owls. films about the Second World War, not only due to special effects >>> it would be interesting to hear the opinion of WWII veterans on the topic of compliance, but only few real combatants remained ...
    here is a lot that came out of watch not review online
    http://dimspace.ru/films/serialy_pro_voynu-21
  32. +4
    7 May 2013 04: 01
    Quote: heavytank
    and cowards like Stalin sat in comfortable cabinets with a smelly foot and simply ordered the period to go

    and at that time other leaders of states with clean, fragrant legs threw a grenade at the embrasure, apparently so? Think what you write. It’s a pity, the virtual environment does not allow you to drive a little mind into your head.
  33. +7
    7 May 2013 06: 20
    Happy Victory Day!
  34. 0
    7 May 2013 17: 53
    Recently I watched the 10-episode documentary "World War II in Color" Everything is presented in such a way that the war over Nazi Germany was won by the Western allies, and the Red Army is so, somewhere in the backyard. The battles in North Africa are much more important for the duration of the film than the Battle of Stalingrad or the Kursk Bulge. It is on these flms, and even the type "Penal Battalion", today's youth and learn about the past war. Yes, and our politicians are increasingly saying "World War II" rather than "Great Patriotic War." They are ashamed, perhaps for our military history ... Happy Victory Day, the victory of our fathers and grandfathers, members of the forum!

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