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What do young people know about the Great Patriotic War

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Modern youth confuses Zhukov with Suvorov, they stopped teaching in schools history, in the head of students of porridge from dates, gleaned on Wikipedia - such is the common opinion about the cultural level of graduates of schools and universities. Is it so? Have new generations really lost touch with their great-grandfathers and do not want to know the history of their country?


On the eve of another anniversary of Victory in World War II, PRAVMIR conducted a survey among students at four Moscow universities: the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation, the Moscow Road Transport Institute (STU), the Moscow State University named after MV Lomonosov and the Orthodox St. Tikhon University.

We asked questions:

Has anyone in your family fought? Are there any awards? What did the relatives in the family say about the war?
Do you remember the dates of the beginning and end of the Second World War?
What are the main battles?
How would you describe Hitler's ideology? What motivated them, why did he start a war, why did people get exterminated? How would you characterize the Soviet Stalinist ideology of that period?
Do you know military poems and songs?
Your favorite movie or book about war?
Students were in a hurry for couples, they were afraid of the camera, they simply weren't ready to talk. He agreed to answer, well, if every tenth.



Those who responded, sometimes confused World War II and Great Patriotic War, did not name the USSR among the allies - the USA, and Germany - Japan, often could not remember poems and songs about the war, and sometimes even used the word "Entente".

What do young people know about the Great Patriotic WarAt this point, you can fall into a cultural and humanitarian depression and grieve about historical unconsciousness. But I will not.

... A student at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation. On the blouse pinned St. George ribbon - is to congratulate the veterans. He reads an excerpt from "Vasily Terkin" on camera.

... Undergraduates MADI - in detail and thoughtfully talk about the ideology of fascism.

... A girl from Svyato-Tikhonovsky - shining with joy, speaks about military songs, comparing them with a prayer.

... Near the 1 of the MSU Humanities Corps, students discuss the last concert in honor of Victory Day. No, no, someone goes to the monument to the dead students and employees of Moscow State University who died during the war.

Economists, techies, theologians and humanists. We specifically chose four different universities, so that the students' answers turned out to be more diverse.

Something in which they coincided absolutely.

In their words and voices poorly concealed pride in the feats of great-grandfathers sounds. They are embarrassed if they cannot remember something: “What a horror! I forgot all the war songs "," Here is a shame! I don’t remember a single battle! ”,“ When did Germany invade Poland? Oh, how embarrassing! They are trying to analyze the fascist and Soviet ideology, compare, avoid unfounded estimates.

Today's student is watching “Only old people go to battle”, reads “And the Dawns Here are Quiet”, listens and sings “Katyusha”. Today's student goes to congratulate veterans. Today's student, to the question: “Did your relatives participate in the Great Patriotic War?” He raised his eyebrows in surprise and answered with an unlearned voice: “There is no family in our country that the war would not affect.”

Today's students are farther from the war, if only because their great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers who had fought talked about it, more often than not, for too long, but their grandparents did not find it.

Besides - globalism, the borders in the world are thinning. Gradually, the Great Patriotic War becomes an episode, albeit expensive and tragic, the Second World War, the Second World War - an episode of the history of the XX century, and the XX century has passed, it is only a date in the passport, and continues to be rapidly removed.

But what can be called "historical unconsciousness", today's young people do not have.

Happy Victory Day!

Text writer - Maria Senchukova
Video - Valery Bogatov
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  1. Epiphans
    Epiphans 6 May 2013 18: 33 New
    -26
    As if schoolchildren should remember this. What is obvious to Soviet youth is not obvious to Russian.
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky 6 May 2013 18: 39 New
      40
      And once again, once again, for young people and not only, remember this:

      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 7 May 2013 18: 32 New
        0
        yes, in the sense of patriotic education, the citadel didn’t lie close
    2. dimon-media
      dimon-media 6 May 2013 18: 39 New
      24
      Schoolchildren should not, but are even obliged to know the history of their country! It does not matter what the regime was and what party in power! We live in one state and the story is common and it does not matter what power.
      1. Slayer
        Slayer 6 May 2013 18: 43 New
        17
        This is all due to the fact that they destroyed the Soviet system of education, the best in the world. And when the last Soviet teachers left schools, then we will be completely dumbfounded ...
        1. starshina78
          starshina78 6 May 2013 21: 24 New
          +9
          Dullness is already coming! Thanks to the reform of education, the introduction of the Unified State Examination, the truncation of basic subjects for the sake of physical education, the obscure subject "My Choice", guidelines for subjects that cut back on the flow of subjects, and much more. And as for the fact that the farther from May 9, 1945, the less young people are interested in war, war heroes, battles. Yes, they know something about the war, read books, watch films, but they don’t have what we were born in the fifties - communicate with those who directly fought, forged Victory in the rear. we talked with them, listened to their stories, among them were relatives. neighbors, honorary pioneers of the schools in which we studied. Time passes, veterans leave, and with them their memories and stories about the war leave. And they are better than any book and movie.
          1. FC SKIF
            FC SKIF 6 May 2013 22: 43 New
            11
            I am "made" in 79. I remember something from the stories of my grandfather, his friends. But why did I ask so little! Now there is no one else.
            1. adg76
              adg76 6 May 2013 23: 03 New
              +8
              I asked my grandfather, but he did not like to talk about her. From 43 at the front, 45. of them, more than half are in the hospital with severe wounds. here she is war
              1. mankurt
                mankurt 6 May 2013 23: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: adg76
                he did not like to talk about her


                Your grandfather is a war veteran, and that explains everything.
                Thanks to the war veterans for the fact that their grandchildren and great-grandchildren do not know who the Nazis are.
                Many millions of war veterans have given their lives for our peaceful sky.
                1. mankurt
                  mankurt 7 May 2013 00: 15 New
                  +2

                  Occupation? I love swimming

                  Concentration camp? There, apparently, fun ...

                  Bombardment? No, I have not heard ...
            2. Col.
              Col. 6 May 2013 23: 25 New
              +5
              Quote: FC Skiff
              Now there is no one else.

              Well, why "no one"? I was born in 58, my grandfather died in 41, my father was still small when the war started ... But our generation was lucky: hundreds of thousands of veterans were alive, many still worked, the connection of generations did not stop, memories and pain were transmitted from experienced. This is sitting in everyone’s subcortex ... Communicate more with veterans, and just with older people, in them is the wisdom of life.
              1. vilenich
                vilenich 7 May 2013 04: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Colonel
                I was born in 58th

                A slightly different situation was. After all, only 13 years have passed since the war! And with the rest I completely agree.
            3. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 7 May 2013 19: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: FC Skiff
              his friends. But why am I so small

              Oh dear! I don’t have a grandfather, my dad fought. But I ask myself the same questions as you — well, why did I ask so little? Why didn’t I write something down so as not to forget? ... Although I must admit that those who fought didn’t really talk about the war. They sought to forget the troubles, that blood, fear, losses, as soon as possible. They wanted peace , silence, after all, very many were still very young guys .... So you and I are absolute comrades here, although we are fairly well-spaced in age ... And young people should not be blamed so much for ignorance. Many of us know about the war of 1812 schematically, according to the school curriculum, and someone deeply and in detail.
          2. il grand casino
            il grand casino 7 May 2013 16: 11 New
            +1
            But now there are a lot of young people who remember that Nazism is istan, Stalin-byak, and you saved Europe ... who is to blame? Probably yourself. My father buzzed all ears to me in childhood about the war, his grandfather told him. I will not forget ... and my duty to do so that my children would not forget. And then do not care about education.
      2. Epiphans
        Epiphans 6 May 2013 18: 43 New
        -15
        It does not matter what the regime was and what party in power!
        ъ
        Actually, it does. For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of a scoop and communists.
        1. Slayer
          Slayer 6 May 2013 18: 46 New
          16
          Quote: Epiphanes
          Actually, it does. For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of a scoop and communists.

          Anyone should know about the great and valiant victory of the Red Army! It is with them that you are punished that someone else can teach and educate your son
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              1. Armata
                Armata 6 May 2013 20: 32 New
                +3
                Quote: Ribwort
                Admit, among them, after all, were not your relatives? Maybe because they then reasoned in a similar way?
                Your message has been deleted in vain, but I'll just quote it. Comrades, moderators, what did this person say wrongly?
            2. T-100
              T-100 6 May 2013 19: 21 New
              15
              Ahah idiot, do you say corpses? Comparing the military losses of 6000000 million from the German side and 8000000 from ours, the ratio of 1: 1,3. And those other 20000000 million civilians, this is the action of Nazi concentration camps and the politics of fascism. Give us a wish, we also cut, shot and burned in the ovens would have been equal to the Germans, but would have lost face. Archival documents read ignoramus and)))
              1. Melchakov
                Melchakov 6 May 2013 19: 30 New
                +6
                And there were allies vassals.
              2. mankurt
                mankurt 6 May 2013 23: 31 New
                +5
                Quote: T-100
                Archival documents read ignoramus




                Lviv 30 June-4 July 1941 -4000 dead



                If running away from fear at the sight of hanging or execution, they shot after, as if possible accomplice.
                1. Egen
                  Egen 7 May 2013 06: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: mankurt
                  Lviv 30 June-4 July 1941 -4000 dead


                  And where, in Lviv now, they wrote, they’re not going to celebrate Victory Day on May 9, but to celebrate mourning day?
            3. vlbelugin
              vlbelugin 6 May 2013 19: 38 New
              11
              You're right. "Mode" matters. The valor and courage of our soldiers and officers has always and always been unparalleled. However. Crimean war - lost. Japanese war - lost. World War I - lost. And the fault was the power - the regime. And only the Soviet government, the CPSU were able to rally the people around them. They were able to build an industrial state capable of withstanding the industrialized Europe.
              And according to the latest data, not Soviet, notice the loss ratio of 1: 1,3. Most of the civilians died. Why? Read Hitler and Goebels.
              I understand. People are different. Each with its own worldview.
              But for such a picture you need to tear off the piers. For from a freak normal children cannot be born. You must not breed.
              It’s good that my grandfather did not live to see this shame.
              1. T-100
                T-100 6 May 2013 22: 33 New
                +1
                I would not say ... Krymskaya lost because they overestimated their strength and therefore did not reform their armaments. And the Russian-Japanese (1904-1905) in the Far East is a difficult geographical situation and not populated. They didn’t have time to finish the transib to Vladivostok and killed Stolypin, who pursued a policy of settling Siberia and the Far East. Also affected by intra-state social problems)))
            4. Uzoliv
              Uzoliv 6 May 2013 19: 46 New
              +4
              As you know, we have two troubles - fools and roads. Here you are Epifantsev this is the first trouble.
            5. luka095
              luka095 6 May 2013 20: 33 New
              +3
              "The one whose corpses were thrown? Thanks, no need."
              Yes, when “not needed”, you can simply openly turn everything upside down.
              Nobody knows the exact figures of losses - they are constantly updated.
              The Americans determined the number of dead and missing German soldiers at 5 million 100 thousand. And on the Eastern Front, the allies of Germany also fought. How many of them died in Russia is not exactly known.
              According to Russian estimates, 8 million 668 thousand people were killed, died of wounds, and did not return from captivity. Of this number, 2.5 million deaths in captivity can be taken away. It turns out a little more than 6 million dead in battle.
              And you need to be proud of everyone who defended their homeland from invaders!
              1. Tverichanka
                Tverichanka 7 May 2013 20: 05 New
                0
                Quote: luka095
                you need to be proud of everyone who defended their homeland from invaders!

                And not only that, it’s also necessary to be proud of those who worked 18 hours a day in the rear, who treated, fed, armed and washed the army. If it weren’t for the rear, not these guys behind the machines, not the women driving cars, it would be hard to beat , and maybe not ... I’m ready to bow to all of them at the feet.
          2. heavytank
            heavytank 6 May 2013 20: 38 New
            -23
            and at the cost of 40 million people who introduced stupid leaders like Stalin
            1. sergei
              sergei 6 May 2013 21: 31 New
              +2
              learn Russian language
            2. Slayer
              Slayer 6 May 2013 21: 43 New
              +3
              Quote: heavytank
              and at the cost of 40 million people who introduced stupid leaders like Stalin

              Learn the story, read books then you can get smarter. Read about the Ost plan, because of which so many civilians were destroyed by the Germans, and Stalin, the greatest leader who managed to raise industry in such a difficult time and surpass the Germans in arms, and even by the beginning of the war, our KVs were terrifying Germans. And the losses in the early years if you read books are caused by civil war generals who led the army, sent cavalry to tanks, beat the main testament in the forehead, etc.
              1. matross
                matross 7 May 2013 17: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: Slayer
                sent cavalry to tanks

                Can you give a concrete example? Or for a red word blurted out? Or were they mixed up with the Polish cavalry in the fall of 1939?
                Quote: Slayer
                the main covenant beat in the forehead

                The civil war was maneuverable, "hit in the forehead" is not from there no
            3. adg76
              adg76 6 May 2013 23: 15 New
              +1
              It's not for us to judge him. Each era has its own standards of morality and responsibility. We have not yet done a tenth of what was done with him in the USSR. So far, we are only eating. And you are in Kazakhstan as well. You had 20 years to build a society free of the "rotten influence of imperial Russia." I will answer with the well-known words "But things are still there!". And if you like to condemn so, so let us condemn some European state during the Renaissance. When there were brilliant creators of art, and entire orders of the Holy Inquisition
            4. vilenich
              vilenich 7 May 2013 04: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: heavytank
              and at the cost of 40 million people who introduced stupid leaders like Stalin

              It’s you who only read Solzhenitsyn!
              Better study the statistical studies of Krivosheev!
        2. Ribwort
          Ribwort 6 May 2013 19: 13 New
          13
          Quote: Epiphanes
          For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of the scoop and the Communists.

          You will probably be surprised, but we were not raised by the patriots of the scoop and the communists. First of all, by the patriots of their COUNTRY. Yes, the country at that time was socialist and was led by its communist party. So what?
          Following your logic, are today's patriots patriots of shit democracy and United Russia? And until 1917 - the patriots of the monarchy and the king?
        3. George
          George 6 May 2013 19: 18 New
          +9
          I apologize for the intrusion, but:
          Quote: Epiphanes
          It does not matter what the regime was and what party in power!
          ъ
          For example, I would not want my son to be raised as a patriot of the scoop and the Communists.

          Are you disconcerted by the fact that this victory was won by our ancestors under the leadership of the Bolsheviks? Like we were so bad then that we would rather lose? So what?
          There’s sure to be a weird (different letter) holiday. Well, you don’t like the Reds and everything connected with them, find the unfinished fascists somewhere, and sing there a whisper of horsta-wessel under the pillow, why the hell would people take it?
        4. kerozin1982
          kerozin1982 6 May 2013 19: 21 New
          +9
          I found the USSR in childhood, a good time. And let your son be brought up by Judas and traders. The son will say “thank you” to you
          1. George
            George 6 May 2013 22: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: kerozin1982
            The son will say thank you

            For a fee yes
        5. saygon66
          saygon66 6 May 2013 19: 47 New
          +6
          It so happened that in Russia the state, ideology and people were almost never a single whole! Celebrating Victory Day on the 9 of May, we pay tribute first to the PEOPLE-WINNER, and only then to the social system that existed then! My family is one of those "spoken", but my grandfather and four of his brothers fought, not even the Communists ...
          Do you really want to "dissociate" from your grandfathers for "ideological reasons"?
        6. luka095
          luka095 6 May 2013 19: 59 New
          +3
          Would you like to see your son as a patriot of your homeland?
          Or a patriot of "democratic freedoms"?
      3. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 7 May 2013 00: 30 New
        +3
        We are to blame. They were chasing money. And our children are listening to all kinds of rubbish.
    3. Canep
      Canep 6 May 2013 18: 41 New
      +2
      In order for young people to know the history, films must be removed normal and censorship should be passed so that it does not work out like with 9 vomiting. "Cinema is the most important art for us." Young people read little books now.
    4. krokodil25
      krokodil25 6 May 2013 18: 56 New
      +6
      Quote: Epiphanes
      As if schoolchildren should remember this.

      They not only must they, but also must remember and know how it was and to whom they owe their lives! soldier
    5. Ribwort
      Ribwort 6 May 2013 19: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Epiphanes
      As if schoolchildren should remember this.

      What do you think, in this case, it is worth remembering to modern schoolchildren? Share your thoughts.
    6. luka095
      luka095 6 May 2013 19: 55 New
      +4
      One homeland, of course, must remember. And why do you think that today's Russian youth should be forgotten?
  2. dimon-media
    dimon-media 6 May 2013 18: 35 New
    +7
    Yes, our youth does not know anything about the Second World War. A vivid example of this is Miss Russia Inna Zhirkova. To basic questions such as who is Agnia Barto and what revolves around what? The earth around the sun or vice versa - the sun around the earth? She could not give an answer. What can I say about the history of our state .. my former workmate could not answer my question - who is Hitler? I do not want to offend anyone, but a generation of cattle is growing in our country.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 6 May 2013 19: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: dimon-media
      Our youth does not know about the Second World War. A vivid example of this is Miss Russia Inna Zhirkova

      Why so? They didn’t ask about WWII)).
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 7 May 2013 21: 48 New
      0
      Quote: dimon-media
      but in our country with you a generation of cattle is growing.

      And they were brought to us from the planet Jupiter? Why not admit that these are our children, our grandchildren, nephews? That we hoped that everything would settle down without our control and influence? We will earn them a living for now, and there we will explain what's what ... It’s not settled down and the guilty must be sought not on the side, but in the mirror, first of all.
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  4. maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 6 May 2013 18: 37 New
    +9
    The efforts and billions of cu disappear for nothing allocated by our "potential partners" to eliminate our historical heritage. With the upcoming Great Victory Day of all compatriots.
  5. avt
    avt 6 May 2013 18: 39 New
    +7
    Quote: Epiphanes
    What is obvious to Soviet youth is not obvious to Russian.

    More likely for the Russian ponimash.
    Quote: Epiphanes
    As if schoolchildren should remember this.

    Obliged! At least by the fact that they live. Well, the fact that for dashing years they still did not completely eradicate the Spirit of Victory from the People to the end is a joy. Here, as in the bible, for now, at least one decent person will not perish like sod and homer. The main Victory Parade is to prevent the general people from replacing the sauce with de-Stalinization to replace the gay parade.
  6. smile
    smile 6 May 2013 18: 40 New
    +4
    I absolutely agree with the conclusions of the author of the article. Despite obvious gaps in history as a whole, young people, with rare exceptions, have a true idea of ​​the Great Patriotic War. And just recently, interest in the study of their history and the level of patriotism is still increasing. It is becoming fashionable to be a patriot, even though I don’t like my phrase about “fashionable” ... but it’s better that way ... However, it’s depressing that there is little concrete knowledge, that myths circulated in films cling to youth more than serious information . Therefore, our cinematographers, who monstrously distort the historical truth, in particular, about the War, must be beaten with a stick in the pope until conscience is wound up ...
  7. SEM
    SEM 6 May 2013 18: 49 New
    +8
    When we completely forget about the Second World War, you need to be prepared for a new Great Patriotic War, it looks like a law !!!
  8. dimon-media
    dimon-media 6 May 2013 18: 51 New
    11
    Very nice clip. The entry is only long. I recommend to see it, especially for schoolchildren and those who do not know what WWII is.
  9. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 6 May 2013 18: 51 New
    +8
    Quote: Epiphanes
    As if schoolchildren should remember this. What is obvious to Soviet youth is not obvious to Russian.

    My grandfather fought in the Great Patriotic War, his brother, who died in battle, also fought, my grandfather returned with wounds. His wife’s grandfather also fought and died during the destruction of the Bandera bastards. I am sure a similar story has occurred in many other families, but apparently not in yours, since you allow yourself such words.
  10. CTEPX
    CTEPX 6 May 2013 18: 55 New
    -1
    Not so simple. Only with the arrival of ANOTHER Putin did something begin to change. Five years ago, on June 22, at a dinner table in the reserve, pupils of military patriotic clubs (12-14 years old) after mountain assault training asked the question: what day is it? thought and failed to answer.
    And two years ago, my nephew (10 years), when I scolded him for a deuce in Russian, answered: Why do you need to know Russian if you need English for work?
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    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta 6 May 2013 19: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: ctepx
      But why know Russian if you need English for work?

      will your nephew work in England? and who does he want to work with? Does your nephew go to the swamp already walks? wassat

      Compare your nephew with this kid, and think about it.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 6 May 2013 21: 01 New
        +2
        C'mon, the guys who died in Chechnya, too, probably in childhood, maybe it’s either wrong or wrong. They must be loved by men who will die if something happens
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 6 May 2013 19: 21 New
      10
      It's not about my nephew)). I already have it in the Cadet. It's about a hostile to us (as a country) education system and youth education system. This is a dream! For our budget money, future enemies of Russia are brought up)).
      And the fact that we PRIVILY resist this simply gives a special piquancy to the "pseudo-superhuman people."
      We'll have to deal with laws and the constitution)).
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 May 2013 20: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: ctepx
        It's not about my nephew)). He’s already in my cadet’s


        Quote: ctepx
        And two years ago, my nephew (10 years), when I scolded him for a deuce in Russian, answered: Why do you need to know Russian if you need English for work?


        Maybe in the cadet corps the brains will be corrected, since the parents and relatives did not manage to explain why the RUSSIAN language is in RUSSIA !!!
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 7 May 2013 02: 59 New
          +2
          quote = Hudo] since parents and relatives did not manage to explain why RUSSIAN is in RUSSIA !!! [/ quote]
          When I heard, I was very surprised)). And explained naturally. And asked where he got it from. So, he took it at school from communicating with students and teachers)). [
  11. Renat
    Renat 6 May 2013 18: 58 New
    20
    Not so bad. All is not lost.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 6 May 2013 19: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Renat
      All is not lost

      Not all, not all)).
      But how many “textbooks” were published, how many grants were received ...
      The words "military-patriotic" are still illegal. Here on the "civil-patriotic" education budgets of all levels razavlinen.
    2. krokodil25
      krokodil25 6 May 2013 19: 16 New
      +6
      Renat

      Great photo, good especially against the background of current articles and some Troll comments !!!
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 6 May 2013 19: 31 New
        +2
        About the photo. Come on not too lazy on www.patriot24.ru)).
        Just keep in mind that the guys do all this beauty in spite of, and not with the help of! So there you go.
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    4. igordok
      igordok 6 May 2013 19: 32 New
      16
      Quote: Renat
      Not so bad. All is not lost

      Alas, the veterans are leaving.
      On Saturday, May 4, on the 103 year of life, Pskov, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, the oldest Russian paratrooper Alexei Sokolov, died.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 6 May 2013 19: 36 New
        16
        bright memory to the Hero and the veteran of the airborne forces
        1. Renat
          Renat 6 May 2013 19: 41 New
          10
          Every year the system of veterans is thinning. Very sorry. But what to do is life. But this is what happens all the time.
  12. gregor6549
    gregor6549 6 May 2013 19: 08 New
    +2
    And what do we all know about that war, especially about its beginning? After all, so many things are piled up and no one can get to the truth. Maybe it's time to open the archives and dot all e?
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 6 May 2013 21: 14 New
      +2
      - Accurate accounting will increase the importance of victory?
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 7 May 2013 06: 21 New
        0
        Where did you respected found in my post a mention of accounting? And unless in that war there were only victories. There were a lot of things, which we all still don’t know about, but just guess or speculate. After all, an insult to the memory of millions of fallen, missing, tortured in concentration camps and “littering” of brains, as expressed below by t. Stehr, lies precisely in the fact that they tried and are trying to hide the crackling phrases about the exploits, both real and imaginary. the truth about what really happened in the war and why.
        Moreover, these attempts, as 22 / 06 / 41 began with the first bulletin of the Information Bureau, have still not stopped. And now to figure out where the truth is, and where the lie without genuine documents is no longer possible. And instead of simply opening and publishing these documents, which for a long time do not contain any state secrets, there is an endless and fruitless polemic similar to the Panikovsky-Balaganov polemic.
        Finally, give the people themselves, without the comments of “writers of historians” of all stripes and senses, the opportunity to read these documents and understand what really happened then. I am sure that there will be more than enough of those who want to sort this out, including among the younger generation. It is not as stupid this generation as many would like to see it. And he has enough education to understand where the truth is and where, excuse me, bullshit. And where they themselves do not understand, there can be invited specialists on specific, rather than "semi-milking," questions. They will help. The main thing is data, and it will be easier to sort out the arguments. And the brains will be cleaner for everyone, and not just for young people.
        1. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 7 May 2013 22: 03 New
          0
          Quote: gregor6549
          which for a long time do not contain any state secrets,

          So far they contain. The Americans, the British and other French also did not open archives related to the Second World War .... We have been talking about opening archives since the late 80s, but things are still there. There is only one conclusion for one reason or another It is early. I’ll clarify right away that my point of view coincides with yours, but nothing depends on us.
          1. gregor6549
            gregor6549 8 May 2013 13: 49 New
            0
            How can you keep history secret and for what? Recognizing that we are not supposed to know the most important periods of our history means that there are many other stories. True (it is also secret) and invented (they are also open). And on the example of which of these stories you need to educate young people. She, the youth, is quirky, and you cannot fool her on the chaff. Especially with the advent of the Internet she. youth learned to climb into the most classified databases. What to us, the elderly is already too tough. And here you are, young people, arguments and facts from one story, and she immediately opposite arguments and facts from another, third or tenth.
            And further. Why should we look back to the West? Let him solve his own problems, including historical ones. We would like to solve our own. At least with the history of their own country
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 9 May 2013 13: 41 New
              0
              -That's why I ask you this: It’s fashionable to calculate everything now - Who has what losses (preferably more precisely) in manpower? and in technology? and who spent what amounts on the war? But this comrade gave the “wrong” orders, but this enemy was filled up with corpses, but this decision of the command was not rational, and the revision of the feat was launched .... But to dig up the “curious” can ... and it turns out that, the war one could win “cheaper” and faster in terms of inquisitive managers! Already now they say that Mengele and his ilk made an invaluable contribution to modern medicine and pharmacology. As if for the numbers and facts not to overlook the main thing ... If you remember: "To bring the order to the personnel, regarding it ...."
  13. erased
    erased 6 May 2013 19: 09 New
    +8
    Grouting the memory of the Great War is one of the stages of brainwashing our youth. And "our" filmmakers are actively involved in this process. We need powerful propaganda, because we have to re-defend what we won 68 years ago.
    And even here, on the site, some "people" hidden behind nicknames are also trying to insult the memory of the heroes, of the fallen, and everything connected with the Great Victory.
    Tue why it is necessary to talk about it again and again, to remind, to teach. For defeat is simply unacceptable now.
  14. 123tank
    123tank 6 May 2013 19: 22 New
    +6
    I was pleased with the answer that almost all of our families had somehow affected the war. So, the memory is alive.
  15. Egoza
    Egoza 6 May 2013 19: 43 New
    +2
    In our families, this is the only way they act, support and tell, select books and films. But alas, judging by the schools and "our programs and textbooks" - even worse than yours. Although Tabachnik (Minister of Education) is trying to correct the situation, but ...
    Kiev, March 21 (New Region, Dmitry Skvortsov) - In assessing the outcome of World War II, Ukrainian students are increasingly moving away from their peers from Russia, Belarus and Transnistria.

    Relevant data was published by the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISI), which conducted research on school essays on World War II, written by high school students from post-socialist states.

    According to Tamara Guzenkova, head of the Center for Research on Problems of the Near Abroad Countries of RISI, told Ukrainian a weekly newspaper 2000, in all countries, students perceive the Second World War as the largest and worst event of the twentieth century, and in all of world history.

    “Most students are still convinced that it was the victory of the Soviet Union that saved their peoples from slavery or physical destruction. But there are other opinions. Some writings of Ukrainian students regret that fascist Germany was defeated - if the fascists captured, for example, Ukraine, then it would now be much richer and more prosperous, ”she said.

    According to the researcher, this is a result of the views expressed in textbooks. However, the attitude of Ukrainian schoolchildren towards Ukrainian textbooks is not the same in different regions of the state: “By geography, we can not even talk about separation, but about antagonism. If students from the western regions are closest in their assessments to the views expressed in the textbooks, then students from the east and south are extremely distant. In the center and in Kiev, directly opposite assessments of the results of the Second World War were made by schoolchildren sitting at neighboring desks, ”said Guzenkova.

    The Institute’s specialists conclude that many of the Ukrainian children “are characterized by a depressive perception of the outcome of the war, since it is not clear who the hero is and who the traitor is. For what they fought and whom they defeated. They cannot fully call either Bandera or Kosmodemyanskaya heroes. ”

    At the same time, according to Guzenkova, “Belarusian, Russian and Transnistrian schoolchildren recognize themselves as heirs of the winners, have elevated patriotic feelings, and are proud of the country's past. Therefore, they mainly describe battles and battles, unlike, say, peers from Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria - countries that find themselves in the fascist coalition. Those describe the war for the most part through the realities of the concentration camps located on their territory. For the Czechs, in addition, the betrayal of the West in Munich (the corresponding chapter is called “Czech Republic - the first victim of Nazism”), as well as the underestimation of their role, even if not a big resistance movement, still remains a national wound. On the other hand, modern schoolchildren from these countries are so far from realities that they believe that it was possible to call back relatives and friends who are free from labor camps. ”

    “What unites all the essays is that in all states“ national ”pictures of the war are formed (when, for example, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine are considered as independent entities that have made the greatest contribution to the Victory), Tamara Guzenkova sums up.
    NR2.ru: http://www.nr2.ru/kiev/430144.html

    That's how we are pitted - Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians. Divide and conquer the principle for dozens of centuries, but it still acts and is apparently not bad. In that war, no one even bothered about nationality; there were only two criteria: ours and enemies. And for the last 20 years, the division has only been visible: by nationality, religiosity, political views, territoriality, military service, etc.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 7 May 2013 05: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      On the other hand, modern schoolchildren from these countries are so far from reality that they believe that it was possible to call back relatives and friends who are free from labor camps. ”

      For them, the Buchenwald Nabat sounds like a ringtone in a mobile ... Very regrettable!
  16. Barvetum
    Barvetum 6 May 2013 19: 43 New
    11
    the current situation can only talk about one thing. For the most part, excuse me for such a rude tone, poher. I’m going to college, a friend of mine greets ridge. To the question a by e **** he did not want to receive, he said, but what was the matter? He had to explain for a long time and persistently, and he listened with his mouth open. And where does it all come from? Not from school, but from the family. If from childhood I was told about how my great-grandfather fought, and since childhood I read books like "The Banner over the Reichstag" (written clearly and readily), then I am now interested in the Great Patriotic War and World War II as a whole. I am now 19 years old, but despite what most spinogryz turn into, I feel insulted and scared for our future. And what will they learn from in modern films? Or maybe on this dumb anime? Recently I saw a group in contact, Anime is better than Veterans. Moreover, the administration boldly stated that no rights were violated. We must act now, we have already been late in many ways. But little depends on us, ordinary citizens depend on us. Until, first of all, the Ministry of Education raises this issue on the main agenda, we will not be able to fix anything with you.
    1. COBOK
      COBOK 6 May 2013 23: 04 New
      +2
      A young man, there is Mr. Onishchenko, who heads a certain structure called upon to monitor the level of gov..a on the Internet, you can tell him about the page you mentioned (I looked through it, the creator behaves like a victim). This will be the right thing to do — be careful not be afraid.

      I shot a link to the GDP website, they did not unsubscribe from its administration
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 7 May 2013 22: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Barvetum
      But little depends on us, ordinary citizens depend on us.

      I dare to assure you that first of all it depends on us, as you put it, “ordinary citizens.” Before the child goes to school and reads a history textbook, who prevents you from telling him about the events as he knows and understands? Agree that NO ONE !!! But as a rule, we don’t have enough time for children. To feed, yes! To wash, to put to bed, no problem! And talk .... After all, then there will be no time to sit, write comments about anything. ..That uncle uncles and aunts teach our children, and by and large they spit out what will grow out of YOUR child. These will already be your problems ... So you just have to stop believing that the state is obliged to raise children. This is a duty and a duty parents and relatives. Remember the emigration of the first wave (after the revolution). People found themselves in a foreign country, with a foreign language, orders, but they taught their children’s HOUSES the Russian language, history. And strangely enough it may seem to you, but they grew up with love for to your historical Motherland. You can not love e ... rashes as much as you like, but you should also learn from them how to cultivate patriotism. You can imagine one of them who would dishonor their Homeland (and there is no difference where they live) .. So everything depends on us. And only on us. What kind of seed is such a tribe.
  17. waisson
    waisson 6 May 2013 20: 11 New
    +4
    I will argue that they know a little 10 percent of what we knew, and this happens because the level of patriotic education is at zero and the teaching staff is not very literate. I remember my teachers who went through the war PEOPLE HEROES !!!!
    1. heavytank
      heavytank 6 May 2013 20: 41 New
      -18
      the one who fought in the war is a hero. while cowards like Stalin sat in comfortable cabinets with a smelly foot and simply ordered the period to go. so many people died through Stalin's fault, even fluctuating up to 40 million.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 May 2013 21: 50 New
        +6
        heavytank

        ақымақтың ашуы сөзінде, ақылдының ашыы көзінде → anger in a fool in words, in a smart man in eyes
      2. Containers
        Containers 7 May 2013 00: 54 New
        +3
        As if to say softer something ... In general - learn Russian, it will come in handy. =)
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 7 May 2013 22: 31 New
        -1
        Quote: heavytank
        ranges up to 40 million.

        I don’t think you were discharged from the yellow house? Have you really fled?
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  20. Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 6 May 2013 20: 50 New
    +7
    Not all is lost! In addition to club fools with ponytails - whose day is March 8 and frankly vicious from the lack of self-realization of young people, there are a huge number of young people who are also not born in Sovka, but who love their homeland and do not want another for themselves, do not mow down from the army, fight in Georgia and Chechnya, jumping from the bridge for a fallen child, proudly carry the St. George ribbons on Victory Day. Yes, and this site is far from elderly people, they will tear anyone for Russia. And potential policemen, looters and Ivan’s relatives who do not remember kinship, unfortunately, will always be. I am glad that there are very few of them, but there are a lot of us ... just when meeting you need to remember to beat their faces and everything will be fine!
    1. George
      George 6 May 2013 21: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: DimkaPVO
      ... just when meeting you need to remember to beat their faces and everything will be fine!

      The fact of the matter is that I’m not afraid of the word nits, it’s only that there’s nothing to shit on open spaces, here they are unrecognized and inaccessible. And screaming in the street is such a gut. You can end up with a fifth point, similar to the banner of your beloved Wehrmacht division .
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 7 May 2013 22: 35 New
      0
      Quote: DimkaPVO
      but love homeland

      I would add to the above and search squads that find the dead, reburial them, if possible, establish names and inform relatives. Special thanks to them for this !!! And you for such a comment too!
  21. Moreman
    Moreman 6 May 2013 20: 52 New
    +9
    Here you are talking about teachers, about the education system ... I am 20 years old at the moment. Everything I know about the war was absorbed by me from the stories of grandparents, from books advised by parents, from Soviet films ("Officers", " They fought for the Motherland, "" The Story of a Real Man ", etc.), from poems and songs. The school did not give me anything new in this plan. Therefore, I have a firm belief that the blame for not knowing the history of their Fatherland is greater the degree lies with the parents. It is they who first of all must lay the patriotic base in their children. There are a lot of ways, and there is no need to "reinvent the wheel".
    1. sergei
      sergei 6 May 2013 21: 47 New
      +6
      I completely agree with you, I’m 32 years old, my great-grandfather lies near Vitebsk in a mass grave and my 7 year old son knows about it, the whole thing is in ourselves.
      1. COBOK
        COBOK 6 May 2013 23: 07 New
        +2
        Iremember.ru

        Read - useful - brains are in place. And better, first, the books of Drabkin. My great-grandfather - near Voronezh and there is no grave, he could not tell ...
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 7 May 2013 03: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Moreman
      The school did not give me anything new in this plan. Therefore, I have a firm belief that the blame for not knowing the history of my Fatherland lies more with the parents

      And let the state through the system of education and youth policy continue to conduct LGBT propaganda and a policy of discrediting military-patriotic education?
    3. Egen
      Egen 7 May 2013 06: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: Moreman
      that the blame for ignorance of the history of their Fatherland lies with parents to a greater extent. It is they who first of all should lay the patriotic base in their children


      You guys just don’t fit the general sample - i.e. subjective already because you are present on this site :)
      In general, there is science and statistics, how much the family influences upbringing, and how much - the society represented by schools, streets, etc. Alas, you are a rare exception.
      What can we talk about now, when society is focused on other priorities - i.e. money? Why are you comparing 1 and 2, to put it culturally? Who remembers the USSR, everyone lived about the same way, they certainly wanted better, but there were still some foundations, ideology, principles, etc. And now - the only principle (besides the state one) is money.
      Here everyone recalls Soviet patriotic films. Do you remember what years? Basically, as they say now, "the period of decaying socialism," the end of the 70's - the beginning of the 80's, until the 84. You see, in some ways he may have rotted, but on the contrary, flourished in the upbringing of patriotism.
      And now? Making a movie costs money. Yes, even publish a book. Then there was the social budget of the state. But not now. And for the sake of hope for the commercial success of the patriotic film, no one will shoot. Well, "we are from the future" is also a rare exception and a drop in the bucket. This is Zadornov, clever, 20 years ago said - "all for grandmas", and - patriotism too :(.
      Therefore, IMHO, in vain you run into someone or something, this is the existing state system, now it needs ... well, I do not call for an uprising, say - to modify :). And what does the same Taburetkin have to do with it, he, as the classics said, is “a product of his era”, by and large it’s not about him, he’s nothing, a pawn in the big game ...
    4. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 7 May 2013 22: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Moreman
      more lies with the parents.

      Bravo! Now I’m just convinced that you will pass on to your children that which you yourself know and will not blame anyone! I wish you happiness! And happy holiday1
  22. saygon66
    saygon66 6 May 2013 20: 54 New
    +5
    -Sings well...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 6 May 2013 21: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: saygon66
      -Sings well..


      The main thing is true ...
  23. PValery53
    PValery53 6 May 2013 21: 06 New
    +4
    Well, it turns out, is the state machine, thoughtlessly (or intentionally) refusing to conduct patriotic work? - Well, damn it, in general, there are no words ... - Digs a hole and for himself ...
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 7 May 2013 03: 09 New
      0
      Quote: PValery53
      does the state machine, by thoughtlessness (or intentionally), refuse to conduct patriotic work?

      All these years of timelessness have been engaged in education and youth in Russia so many funds, mainly American and German, that they push their elbows)).
      And if you take the trouble to read the "Law on Education" (even recently adopted) or the regional laws "On Youth Policy", you will not even find mention of military-patriotic education there!
  24. Algor73
    Algor73 6 May 2013 21: 39 New
    +3
    But it seems to me that the point of return to patriotism has already been passed. Young people today are completely different - "grandmothers", "cars" in the head. They were brought up in a completely different ideology. And the family is not to blame. How can one teach patriotism if on TV, in newspapers, etc. there are no patriotic programs, articles, and parents are crammed with one thing - to get money, feed the family. On TV, modern war films are not patriotic at all, but militants. Who are the current heroes in youth, who asked who they want to be like? And what were the answers? I doubt that Kosmodemyanskaya or Matrosova. If the state is not targeted to implement state programs, there will be no return. And it doesn’t matter in Ukraine, in Russia or in Kazakhstan. And further. We will judge the losses in the Second World War on another forum. Now the topic is not the same. Victory. And Victory is really Great.
    1. Shveik
      Shveik 6 May 2013 22: 02 New
      +1
      In vain you minus, maybe it is so, although I do not want to believe in it
    2. George
      George 6 May 2013 22: 04 New
      +4
      Not everything you write
      But the family has its black sheep (which glowed here)
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 7 May 2013 05: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: Algor73
      But it seems to me that the point of return to patriotism has already been passed. Young people today are completely different - "grandmothers", "cars" in the head. They were brought up in a completely different ideology.

      But the then-wartime boy probably has grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
      How did they grow up?.
  25. aviamed90
    aviamed90 6 May 2013 21: 51 New
    +3
    Yes, we have different youth - like all of us. And for fun - they would ask the same thing from adults. I wonder what the results would be.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 6 May 2013 22: 32 New
      +2
      And what to ask adults, they have already taken place as individuals. But what kind of patriotism can be for those from whom it should come first, if their children are sent to study abroad, cars are bought by foreign cars, vacation travel to the Maldives, etc. And wherever possible, they blaspheme their own. I do not blame ordinary citizens, but those at the helm must answer, and answer, sooner or later
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 7 May 2013 22: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Algor73
        atriotism in those from whom it should come first

        Yes-ahh, deep thought !!!!! I would like details, how to proceed? Where? With what frequency? And most importantly, how to determine whether al no comes? ... Something absolutely has nothing to do with patriotism from you. How to be? .... A NORMAL MAN does not give a damn about who and what comes, he has his own opinion, his own point of view and he doesn’t look back at the (conditionally) city committee, does he think so? Does he hesitate along with the party line? ... In short, do you write such a dull question about adequacy. Or is your surname Udaltsov Tyutkin?
  26. DPN
    DPN 6 May 2013 22: 20 New
    +3
    YOUTH knows a little more about war than our generation knows about the war of 1812.
    1. Containers
      Containers 7 May 2013 00: 56 New
      +2
      Hm. We were told about the war for 12 years in quite some detail. Teachers may have been good?
  27. a jacket
    a jacket 6 May 2013 23: 13 New
    +5
    Not so bad. Young people seek (as it does not seem strange) to learn everything in detail. The trend is obvious. After the Revolution of 17g, almost all of the technical intelligence fell to the west. And already at the end of the 20s, breakthrough achievements appeared in all high-tech industries in the USSR. From where? In the West, it is called a RUSSIAN engineering MIRACLE. And study it. Russia generates patriots with such a frequency that nothing can stop this generation from stopping, but even slowing down. Objectively proven fact. On what we are holding on.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 6 May 2013 23: 42 New
      0
      Well you are not very twenty-thirties. Who now wants to raise the country at such a price? Who wants to go to Siberia or Kolyma? Sixties - seventies - yes. Then there were Komsomol construction sites, the country was rising after the Second World War, then there was a sense of duty to the Motherland. And then no one else knew, and everyone believed that our country was the best. Look now, all the prominent artists and others who have money, for some reason, are buying real estate in America, then in France, etc. To be treated, like good afternoon, only abroad. And all this is done by the elite of society, those who need to set an example.
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 7 May 2013 06: 30 New
        +3
        Believe me, there are those who want to raise their country (Russia) to the necessary heights at all costs. Even at the price you mean.
    2. adg76
      adg76 6 May 2013 23: 43 New
      +2
      Failed not all. Someone took a new system. Someone adapted to it. But they remained, and thanks to them, a generation of Soviet scientists grew up who managed to lead the country into leaders
  28. axay032
    axay032 6 May 2013 23: 40 New
    15
    And my grandfather, Gruznov, Vasily Ivanovich fought from autumn 1941 to May 1945, ended the war in Berlin. I am very proud of him !!!
  29. axay032
    axay032 6 May 2013 23: 46 New
    +3
    And my grandfather, Gruznov, Vasily Ivanovich fought from the fall of 1941 to May 1945, ended the war in Berlin. I am very proud of him !!!
  30. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 7 May 2013 01: 42 New
    10
    My father was born on May 15, 1941. Grandfather went to war on June 22, 1941. He died in battles for Ukraine. Lugansk. As we lacked Grandfather. I am proud of him.
  31. MG42
    MG42 7 May 2013 02: 45 New
    +3
    Now, in principle, a lot has grown. The product’s TV is shot on the topic of the Second World War (I judge by what’s going on television in Ukraine), only this in the format of even TV shows is very different from owls. films about the Great Patriotic War not only due to special effects >>> it would be interesting to listen to the opinion of the Great Patriotic War veterans on the subject of compliance, but only few real participants in the fighting remained ...
    here is a lot that came out of watch not review online
    http://dimspace.ru/films/serialy_pro_voynu-21
  32. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 7 May 2013 04: 01 New
    +4
    Quote: heavytank
    and cowards like Stalin sat in comfortable cabinets with a smelly foot and simply ordered the period to go

    and at that time other leaders of states with clean, fragrant legs threw a grenade at the embrasure, apparently so? Think what you write. It’s a pity, the virtual environment does not allow you to drive a little mind into your head.
  33. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 7 May 2013 06: 20 New
    +7
    Happy Victory Day!
  34. okroshka79
    okroshka79 7 May 2013 17: 53 New
    0
    Recently I watched the 10-episode documentary "World War II in Color." It all seems so that the Western Allies won the war over Nazi Germany, and the Red Army is like this, somewhere in the backyards. The fighting in North Africa in the length of the film is much more important than the Battle of Stalingrad or the Kursk Bulge. It is on such flames and even such as the “Shtrafbat” that the current youth will learn about the past war. And our politicians are increasingly saying "World War II" rather than "Great Patriotic War." I am ashamed of them, perhaps for our military history ... Happy Great Victory Day, the victory of our fathers and grandfathers, forum users!