Strike with the "empty Hazelnut" dummy: should you worry about the lack of explosives?

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Strike with the "empty Hazelnut" dummy: should you worry about the lack of explosives?

Following reports from the Ukrainian side about the second combat use of ballistic missiles by the Russian army missiles The discussion of the issue of "equipping" the missile has intensified in the context of the medium-range "Oreshnik" missile.

According to enemy reports, the missile, as in the attack on the Yuzhmash plant in Dnipropetrovsk, did not carry a warhead. In other words, the underground gas storage facility in the Lviv region (which, according to the enemy, was the target of the Oreshnik missile) was hit with a dummy missile.



This sparked a wave of discussions both in Ukraine and, for obvious reasons, in our country.

In fact, the reflex that "it should have been a warhead, so that everything would have shaken" is understandable, but it doesn't quite align with physical reality, to put it mildly. The fact is that at the speed at which the Oreshnik missile (warhead) approaches its target (which is hypersonic – above Mach 5,5), its destructive potential is so high that for a target like a UGS facility, it outweighs the use of a high-explosive warhead. The estimated equivalent is about 7-8 tons of TNT, not in the form of a classic explosion, but in the form of directed energy.



The penetrating power is high, partly due to the enormous energy provided by this speed. Moreover, this enormous kinetic energy also applies to the microfragments of the "blank" during the final stage of flight. We are talking about so-called cumulative vectors (jets), which are capable of penetrating many meters through any obstacle, including concrete, soil, and metal structures. This version of the unloaded missile is used precisely for penetrating something (and it has already been stated what exactly) into something. weapons.

Now we must wait for data on the damage to the underground gas storage facility in Lviv Oblast. It's entirely possible that the enemy will try to downplay the damage, while Western satellite services will continue to depict "impenetrable, dense clouds" over the gas storage facility for weeks.
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  1. +22
    9 January 2026 08: 50
    ...they should have shot at Bankova like that...
    No, it's clear that there's no material damage there - it's not a gas storage facility or anything like that, but in another sense, what satisfaction it will bring to many...
    1. -4
      9 January 2026 08: 54
      ...they should have shot at Bankova like that...


      What's the point of her, Bankova? Well, let's have a shot (for the sake of moral satisfaction, strange, right? :) - and a howl will go around Rus': "Where have you been before!"
      1. +19
        9 January 2026 08: 56
        ...oh, it's like always: if we don't shoot up, it's bad; if we shoot up, it's not the same again... laughing
        1. +2
          9 January 2026 08: 59
          We have this geopolitical status... the state... if someone lays a paw on us, and we (or rather, the government) remain silent, the people's eyes immediately turn bloodshot, and we become enraged.
          1. +7
            9 January 2026 09: 01
            Well, our people are like that - warm-hearted, but if anything - strict and fair. Yes they will be crushed and not even flinch.
          2. DBR
            +40
            9 January 2026 09: 20
            Don't you think the war has dragged on too long and will soon reach its fifth year? Naturally, everyone wonders how long it will last? Tell the residents of the Belgorod region about this rage, the 500 who are left without power, heat, and so on...and this in winter. Everyone's sick of this sniveling toward the enemy when the transport links are functioning perfectly, regularly delivering ammunition, missiles, fuel, and lubricants from Europe to continue the war, along with the very components for assembling the drones that are used to strike our territory.
            1. +1
              9 January 2026 11: 50
              Don't you think that the war has dragged on too long and will soon cross the fifth year mark?
              So, for those who need it, the profits are trickling in, and they're trickling in so fast that no one's going to stop. It's not the war itself, but the profits it brings to the oligarchs. We're in a bad way, really bad. Prices are rising, and wage increases aren't enough to compensate. People are becoming impoverished, signing up for the SVO, dying. And they're reaping the benefits from everything. On TV and in real life, it's "a feast during the plague." This will end badly for us. And then for the oligarchs, too. But that's little consolation. Russia isn't even close to preparing for the upcoming WWII, which everyone's been buzzing about. As soon as Western partners buy or otherwise seize control of the "nuclear button," that's it. Absolutely everything for Russia, the oligarchs, and all Russians. Such a genocide will begin that Dugin's idol will rejoice, sitting on his frying pan.
              1. -4
                9 January 2026 16: 49
                People become impoverished, sign up for the SVO, and die

                You people in Kyiv are getting poorer, while here, store revenue is growing every year, as is the number of tourists. Don't whine, you provocateur. And those who can't earn money have two options. They can either sign a contract, or they can get a qualification. The country is short of welders, turners, electricians, and engineers, but you really want to sit around in an office, right?
                1. +3
                  10 January 2026 20: 17
                  The country is short of welders, turners, electricians, and engineers, but you want to wipe your ass in the office, right?
                  I wonder where all these blue-collar workers are? If you find it difficult to connect the dots between the start of the SVO and the joyous cries about unemployment being virtually eradicated, then remain blissfully ignorant. And yes, just for fun, find out how much the average welder, lathe operator, electrician, engineer, or designer earns. And then figure out what they can buy with that. Are you the provocateur and ignoramus, or do you live on Rublyovka, giving tourists rides and showing them the mansions of the rich and famous?
            2. 0
              9 January 2026 16: 06
              It doesn't seem so. And whoever thinks that vrenkomats are open to everyone? Including you personally.
            3. -2
              9 January 2026 16: 42
              Everyone is fed up with this sniveling towards the enemy when the transport communications are functioning perfectly, through which ammunition, missiles, fuel and lubricants, and the same components for assembling drones are regularly delivered from Europe to continue the war.

              Enough? I have a stove at my site, and diesel fuel for it. But we don't heat it. If they detect heat, they'll destroy it. And as for communications... How can you even imagine the destruction of not only roads, but railways? Even those are a matter of hours to restore. Bridges? What about pontoons? There aren't enough missiles, and geraniums on a bridge are like a mosquito bite. And they're easily shot down, and bridges are definitely well protected. During the Cold War, the Americans believed that the USSR would restore its military industry after the first NUCLEAR strike in no more than two months. Think about it. And it's time to get to the bottom of this, otherwise I'm fed up with the cries of armchair warriors, witnesses of hazel and dagger. FAB-1500s hit the bridge from Karantynne to Kherson twice, but traffic didn't stop.
              1. +2
                9 January 2026 21: 19
                Should I remind you of the Antonovsky Bridge? And what about two FABs, not 10? It's not like they're a Caliber or an Iskander in terms of price*?
                1. -2
                  10 January 2026 01: 07
                  We're going crazy – you're going too far. But how long can the people of, well, let's say, a once-Great country tolerate everything the Brits and the EU allow themselves? What percentage of Russian territory do these "great Euros" occupy on the planet? What are their armed forces capable of against the Russian Armed Forces (numbers, weapons, ammunition stockpiles and their replenishment, logistics, and much more). Industry, energy, public sentiment, etc. ... The presence and ability to use nuclear weapons... And as for territory, there's nothing to compare it to. Of course, I don't know what they use as a doping agent before declaring a confrontation with the Russian Federation, but it's clearly something too powerful, if they've not only forgotten history but are incapable of even taking into account the most basic analysis of their capabilities.
              2. DBR
                +1
                11 January 2026 15: 26
                Armchair warriors, you say? May I ask why we can't destroy the strategic bridges in western Ukraine, or at least the Beskydy Tunnel? Ukrainians The Crimean Bridge has already been disabled twice, the first time on October 8, 2022, by a truck packed with explosives. The explosion destroyed about 250 meters of highway and burned seven tank cars of a freight train. If you're talking about missiles that miss their targets, then sabotaging a vehicle or train car by planting several tons of explosives is so difficult. So difficult. Or perhaps you could explain why the enemy periodically kills our generals?
                Generals killed in the terrorist attacks:
                --Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, Chief of the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense Troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, died on December 17, 2024.
                --Lieutenant General Yaroslav Moskalik, Deputy Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, died on April 25, 2025.
                --Lieutenant General Fanil Sarvarov, Head of the Operational Training Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, died on December 22, 2025.

                Three explosions in one year. No effective, rational response to these explosions has been observed.
                Why is there still no response regarding Zelenskyy's top entourage? They can do it, but why can't we?
                So, in your opinion, there's no point in attacking the enemy's transport routes. Let them freely supply ammunition, fuel, and the same components for assembling UAVs they periodically use to strike our territory, and let our soldiers die on the front lines. Don't you think the war has dragged on too long, and the upcoming fifth year is a bit much?
          3. -2
            10 January 2026 01: 00
            We're going crazy – you're going too far. But how long can the people of, well, let's say, a Great Country tolerate everything the Brits and the EU allow themselves? What percentage of Russian territory do these "great Euros" occupy on the planet? What are their armed forces capable of against the Russian Armed Forces (numbers, weapons, ammunition stockpiles and their replenishment, logistics, and much more). Industry, energy, public sentiment, etc. ... The presence and ability to use nuclear weapons... And as for territory, there's nothing to compare it to. Of course, I don't know what they use as a doping agent before declaring a confrontation with the Russian Federation, but it's clearly something too strong, if they've not only forgotten history but are incapable of even a basic analysis of their capabilities.
        2. +5
          9 January 2026 09: 19
          If we don't shoot, it's bad; if we shoot, it's not the same again.
          ..
          No, it's something else:
          The enemy will try to downplay this damage, and Western satellite services will depict “impenetrable dense clouds” over the gas storage facility for weeks.

          That's exactly what will happen, and we'll be stuck with our unfounded claims of target destruction, as always. Why, for all these years, have we been looking at and believing only US satellite photos or internet photos from the Ukrainians themselves, if they're leaked there? Where are all our photo reconnaissance satellites, and why isn't there a single image from them to confirm a hit?
          1. +3
            9 January 2026 09: 29
            What do we care what the enemy will say after landing? They won't be able to instantly restore the damaged object... let them at least claim it missed. laughing

            Chatting is not like carrying sacks (c) Yes
            1. +1
              9 January 2026 09: 39
              That's certainly true if we actually hit the facility and have all the evidence we can present. And if they hit the underground gas storage facility in Stryi, and not for the first time in three years, then I'd like to see at least one flare of burning gas, which is what's supposed to happen after a strike. Or should all the gas from the underground gas storage facility escape through damaged utilities? Do you think that's what's happening now after a strike? I thought so after all the previous strikes on this facility, but... it turns out they had to finish it off with the Oreshnik missile. Well, now they've definitely got it... I'll take your word for it!
              1. +2
                9 January 2026 09: 41
                Well, we have to believe our General Staff and the media. I have what I read and what they reported - that's the information I have...
                1. +2
                  9 January 2026 09: 52
                  I have what I read and what was reported - that's the information I have.

                  Are you suggesting I ask Gerasimov? I'll stop by right now...if he's home. But it'll be awkward to go in empty-handed, so I'll try Krasnoe/Beloe. lol laughing
                  1. +3
                    9 January 2026 09: 54
                    No, I'm not suggesting you ask him. But they've reported exactly what they said, and they've read everything. They're not saying anything else, there are no detailed specifics, and there are no videos from near the immediate impact... what is, is.

                    Gerasimov clearly doesn't use KB. It's not his rank. laughing

                    Well, little by little the distrust began to build up...
                    1. 0
                      9 January 2026 10: 13
                      Well, little by little the distrust began to build up.


                      The point is, it began much earlier, with Konashenkov's bravura reports of destroyed enemy aircraft, which included figures exceeding the entire military aviation fleet at the time. And the smart guys warned against rushing into such reports, talking about hundreds of inflatable and plywood decoys left by the Ukrainians on the runways.
                      So we ourselves fueled this mistrust, with such reports and the lack of our own photo/video evidence.
                      Wouldn't you be interested in seeing the current state of the bridge in Zatoka? Has it been reopened to traffic or not yet?
                      1. +3
                        9 January 2026 10: 16
                        Yes, I'm interested in a lot of things.
                        But it doesn't depend on my wishes - they show what they show...

                        And victory reports... Well, we've always been very fond of that, because it always means you can be favored by your superiors... There's nothing you can do about it...
              2. +2
                9 January 2026 10: 59
                And if the underground gas storage facility in Stryi was hit, and not for the first time in three years, then I'd like to see at least one flare of burning gas, which is what's supposed to happen after a strike. Or all the gas from the underground gas storage facility should escape through damaged pipelines.
                What is a UGS, an underground gas storage facility? It's a layer of porous rock into which gas is injected. Damaged utilities don't play a significant role. Roughly speaking, a UGS facility is a rock sponge, a foam rubber. Gas is pumped in under pressure. Then, it's pulled out. What kind of utilities are there in rock?!
                Roughly speaking, they pumped gas into the stone and then pulled it out like a vacuum cleaner.
                1. -1
                  9 January 2026 11: 17
                  Grandpa-amateur (Andrey), if you're telling me this, then thank you for your participation. But I know how underground gas storage works, although I understand that it's impossible to know absolutely everything.
                  But you answer the questions you ask yourself:
                  - "They pump gas in there under pressure... like a vacuum cleaner."
                  Have you seen a vacuum cleaner lately? It has a pipe, just like a UGS facility has more than one; depending on the size of the UGS facility, there could be a dozen.
                  The easiest way is to find any UGS diagram online and explain what you wanted to tell me with your comment.
                  1. 0
                    9 January 2026 11: 52
                    If you know everything, then why are you asking such questions?
                    1. +1
                      9 January 2026 12: 03
                      No, my main question wasn't about the UGS facility's design, but why aren't we provided satellite images of the facility's destruction after each strike? Or why write about the final destruction of this UGS facility every time, only to strike it again a year later? My mistake was that I posted my question not to the author of the article, but under a comment from a simple forum member, for the sake of discussion and exchange of opinions. There's no point in simply waiting for a response from the author of the article; I'm interested in what other site readers have to say.
                      1. 0
                        9 January 2026 12: 12
                        No, my main question was not about the design of the underground gas storage facility, but why we don’t have satellite images of the target’s destruction after each strike on it.
                        Most likely, they exist. But they are not published for reasons of confidentiality. hi
                        My mistake was that I posted my question not to the article's author, but under a comment from a regular forum member, for the sake of discussion and exchange of opinions. There's no point in simply waiting for a response from the author, and I'm interested in what other site readers have to say.

                        Understood, accepted.
                      2. +3
                        9 January 2026 12: 21
                        Can you explain why our satellite images are classified? Why do the US or EU so easily publish their images and not consider them classified? I'm not asking them to publish images of our military installations or even civilian ones on their territory. How will these images differ from the American ones we were allowed to see after the Oreshnik strike on Yuzhmash? Do you really think the resolution of photographic equipment is a secret to anyone? Besides, any digital image can easily be dumbed down for popular consumption in the media these days.
                        Name at least one argument for such secrecy. After showing the Tokyo photos, we somehow weren't concerned about secrecy; on the contrary, we boasted about our capabilities. But what about the rear-facing photos in Ukraine?
                      3. 0
                        9 January 2026 12: 31
                        Can you explain why our satellite images are so secret?
                        But that's a question for the Ministry of Defense, not me. I don't decide what to show to the public.
                      4. +1
                        9 January 2026 12: 32
                        Got it, I went to Gerasim if Mu-Mu doesn't bite lol laughing
                      5. -1
                        9 January 2026 16: 52
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        Can you explain why our satellite images are so secret?

                        What's so secret about the 1:25,000 and 1:10,000 topographic maps surveyed by the Supreme Council of the National Economy in 1925-1928? They're still classified...
                        Everything has changed - roads, hydrography, population, forests and even soil - but the stamp remains...
                        Just don't talk about "cruise missiles and terrain following" - NATO has General Staff maps from the 1970s.
                      6. -2
                        9 January 2026 21: 01
                        Quote: your1970
                        What is the secret of topographic maps?

                        In the numbers next to the squares.
                      7. 0
                        10 January 2026 02: 25
                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        Quote: your1970
                        What is the secret of topographic maps?

                        В numbers next to the squares.

                        1)
                        Quote: your1970
                        NATO has General Staff maps from the 1970s.
                        Moreover, they are even at Columbia University and the University of Georgia...
                        2) USSR coordinate catalogues are also 1000% present in NATO.
                        3) geodetic accuracy is not required for flights of cruise missiles and UAVs - WGA84 coordinates are quite sufficient
                        4) Modern supercomputers have made it possible to create a digital model of the terrain a long time ago.
                        5) You are not embarrassed by Google Panorama photos continuous Measuring coordinates and altitudes at the time of filming? All major cities have been filmed.
                        6) to the collapse of the USSR - NATO had cards on the entire territory of the USSR. Of poorer quality - but quite detailed and with coordinate-height reference
                        7) The Wehrmacht had maps of the entire territory of the USSR - intended for occupation. Moreover, ALL memoirists IN CHOIR they write that there were German maps more precisely наших

                        So the secrecy of "numbers on squares" is a legacy of the Soviet tradition of keeping everything secret. More surcharges...
                      8. -2
                        10 January 2026 13: 43
                        Quote: your1970
                        The secrecy of "numbers on squares" is a legacy of the Soviet Union's custom of keeping everything under wraps.

                        Who knows, I didn't go into the details. But the map stacks at headquarters were already classified. There were some obscure reasons for this, but the staff officers didn't elaborate. One of the publicly available theories is that the mass production of maps for a specific area indicates preparations for a military operation.
                        I suspect the situation on the other side is similar, despite Google and supercomputers. Military affairs, in general, are full of such oddities, incomprehensible to the uninitiated.
                      9. 0
                        10 January 2026 14: 24
                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        But the packs of cards at headquarters were already classified.

                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        One of the publicly available versions is that the mass production of maps for a certain area indicates preparation for a military operation.

                        Well then Stalin and the NKO with the NKVD are the most complete fool (swearing, swearing, and obscene language), is that it?
                        In the given example -
                        Quote: your1970
                        What's so secret about the 1:25,000 and 1:10,000 topographic maps surveyed by the Supreme Council of the National Economy in 1925-1928? They're still classified...
                        It took a year to prepare for field work, 3 for the work and a year before leaving
                        Total 5 years for filming MINORITY by the area of ​​a piece of territory.
                        Based on this, taking into account:
                        Quote: your1970
                        The Wehrmacht had maps of the entire USSR territory slated for occupation. Moreover, ALL the memoirists unanimously write that the German maps were more accurate than ours.
                        It turns out that field filming work in the USSR was started by the Reich in order meet by 1941:
                        - or by large (up to 1000) teams. To understand the scale, the Pyatigorsk expedition of SeKavAGP photographed the Volgograd region in 1989 for 6 years with 11 teams, taking into account the relatively high quality of aerial photography and a scale of 1*50,000.
                        - either started simultaneously with the Nazis coming to power in 1933, or even earlier
                        - or the cards were transferred wholesale to the Wehrmacht by the NPO
                        The third option is out of the question - our maps were worse than the Wehrmacht's (this came to light from the first days of the war) and the fact of the transfer would have come to light after 1945 - after receiving the Wehrmacht archives and specialists - there would have been a "mass conspiracy" and executions
                        There were no technologies to dramatically speed up filming before the war—German equipment was more precise and sophisticated—but the speed increase was very small. Our Cypriol cameras were no different in design from the German ones.

                        Now let me remind you - it's not just
                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        Mass production of maps for a particular area indicates preparation for a military operation.
                        - and there's a massive mass shooting going on all European territory of the USSR army scale of at least 5-7 years German brigades.

                        It's impossible not to see something like this. There's no explanation for it. It's a mystery.
                      10. -1
                        10 January 2026 14: 53
                        Quote: your1970
                        then Stalin and the NKO with the NKVD are the most complete... It is impossible not to see this. There is no explanation for this.

                        And since neither the first nor the second, nor the third is practically impossible, it follows from this that we do not know something.
                      11. 0
                        10 January 2026 16: 10
                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        Quote: your1970
                        then Stalin and the NKO with the NKVD are the most complete... It is impossible not to see this. There is no explanation for this.

                        And since neither the first nor the second, nor the third is practically impossible, it follows from this that we do not know something.

                        Secret - and there is "ignorance of something" a-priory.
                        But I, for example, do not see any logical and/or technically possible explanations for this historical fact.
                        Even the maximum tolerance - that Stalin allowed the Germans to film - is not confirmed by the subsequent silence of everyone and everything - although everyone blamed Stalin for everything (even Przhevalsky), and here is such a fact - and the absence of any documents on this event
                      12. -1
                        10 January 2026 16: 18
                        Quote: your1970
                        For example, I don’t see any logical and/or technically possible explanations for this historical fact.

                        In such cases, one can either obtain the appropriate permission or construct more or less reasonable hypotheses that can never be proven.
                      13. 0
                        10 January 2026 16: 30
                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        Quote: your1970
                        For example, I don’t see any logical and/or technically possible explanations for this historical fact.

                        In such cases, one can either obtain the appropriate permission or construct more or less reasonable hypotheses that can never be proven.

                        If there had been anything in the archives that accused Stalin of this issue, they would have pulled it out and shaken it out in the 1990s.
                        And on this issue - dead silence.
                        About as with Hess's flight, which was kept secret for another 75 years.
                      14. 0
                        10 January 2026 08: 18
                        Sergey, "information warfare" in this case doesn't require revealing any secrets. What are you talking about? What's the secret behind any satellite image? All publicly available Google or Yandex Maps are compiled from such images and are regularly updated. Such an image would be quite sufficient for propaganda, and there's no need to utilize the full resolution of a military satellite. Any digital image can be "rendered" and published in the media with unclassified parameters. And when you compare it to topographic maps of this scale, you forget that they use special symbols to indicate all ground objects and their intended purpose, something that isn't present in a photograph. Especially not in a photograph of enemy territory, not your own.
                      15. 0
                        10 January 2026 12: 30
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        All publicly available Google or Yandex Maps are made up of such images and regularly are being updated.

                        Yandex updates it every three years to comply with our laws, Google updates it once a year.
                        Therefore, either this or the scale is less classified
                      16. -2
                        9 January 2026 18: 28
                        The reason we're not supposed to speak proudly and clearly is that we always have to say a little nonsense, somehow sloppily declare victory. So as not to upset our partners, so they can slander us with their information if the opportunity arises. An invitation to a cultural dialogue. Otherwise, if we're firm and clear in our actions, they might decide we're aiming to carve out an important place for ourselves in the world as a center of power. And we don't want to start a conflict, do we? request
                      17. 0
                        22 January 2026 20: 52
                        Quote: "Most likely, they exist. But they are not published for reasons of confidentiality. hi «
                        Secrecy from whom? From the Ukrainians? So the Ukrainians can only learn that some Ukrainian facility was bombed from these photos? :)))
                      18. 0
                        9 January 2026 14: 56
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        The main question is... why don't we have satellite images of the target's destruction after each strike on it?

                        There are two counter-answers to your question:
                        a) Why do you need this?
                        b) Why do the military need this?
                        If you think about it, you need it to satisfy idle curiosity, but the military couldn't care less. So why bother with something no one needs? It's simple.
                      19. +1
                        9 January 2026 15: 35
                        Nikolai, why then do we see footage of our drone strikes, FABs, and missiles on the frontline zone every day, repeatedly and on every news channel? It's just what we can film from a reconnaissance drone. Why do they go to all this trouble, and who benefits from it? And why can they show it from a drone, but not from a satellite?
                        Do you have an answer to this simple question?
                      20. 0
                        9 January 2026 17: 06
                        Why can you show it from a drone, but not from a satellite?
                        Do you have an answer to this simple question?

                        I have. The purpose of military satellites is not disclosed at launch, nor are their capabilities, such as image resolution. This is a military secret. The enemy knows with a high degree of certainty the purpose of each satellite, but that's the game. But the characteristics of our optics, the image processing capabilities of our onboard equipment—that's truly worth keeping secret. Those who need access to these images have access, but it's definitely not you.
                      21. 0
                        10 January 2026 07: 20
                        Oleg, any digital image, and currently only those from satellites, can easily be "coarsened" to the desired resolution. But the funniest thing about your answer is that just look online for photo reconnaissance satellite parameters; these parameters are publicly available. But for media publication as propaganda in our information war, it's quite sufficient to coarsen such an image by a factor of a hundred and make it similar to those used for public Yandex Maps, with a resolution of 5 or even 10 meters on the ground.
                      22. 0
                        10 January 2026 13: 49
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        For publication in the media as our propaganda in the information war, it is quite enough to make such a photo at least a hundred times worse

                        And who exactly should be doing this, in your opinion? I'm guessing the satellite reconnaissance agencies have been in a state of flux for four years now, and they don't have time to appease internet commentators.
                      23. +1
                        10 January 2026 14: 01
                        Nikolai, any computer automatically compresses digital photos when you send them online. Haven't you noticed this when you send a photo from your smartphone to a friend via WhatsApp or MAX? It's automatically compressed... But if you want to send a friend a full-size photo, at the full resolution of your smartphone, you'll have to use cloud storage from Yandex, Google, or another method.
                        The Russian Ministry of Defense also has its own information service and a press secretary with a staff, like Konashenkov. But something is definitely getting in the way, or someone is blocking it. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it's due to the most banal inertia, dating back to the days when everything, both necessary and unnecessary, was kept secret.
                      24. -2
                        9 January 2026 20: 48
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        Do you have an answer to this simple question?

                        Drone footage, which isn't particularly secret, is accessible to a huge number of people, from ordinary people to even civilian military bloggers, so leaks are practically inevitable (especially given that the public loves content featuring explosions and gore). But even so, only a small portion leaks online.
                        Access to reconnaissance satellite footage is limited to a very limited number of people with very strict security clearances. Unauthorized access is absolutely prohibited, so publishing photo and video materials requires special procedures in accordance with an order that specifies what can be shown, how, when, and who is responsible for it. And this happens every time.
                        Which brings me to a simple counter-question: why the hell do the military need this hassle? Would you, for some unknown reason, engage in such nonsense, given that you're so busy with work?
                      25. +1
                        10 January 2026 07: 42
                        Why the hell do the military need this hassle?
                        [Quote] [/ quote]
                        There's this concept called "information warfare," which we constantly lose, even when we win on the battlefield. Would you object? I'd be happy to hear it, and I can even foresee the saying "he who laughs last" coming. But any normal person would wonder why the US so easily posts photos of their victories on the battlefield, while we somehow shy away from it. Or why we follow suit by posting their own photos after the attack on Yuzhmash, showing three holes in the roofs of the workshops. And if we made many more holes there, then why not call the US and the Ukrainians out on their lies when they immediately claim the damage at Yuzhmash was minor, and that at the start of the workday, all the workshops returned to work...
                        After the last two strikes on the underground gas storage facility in Stryi, we were told of the "complete and final destruction" of that storage facility... Could the Ukrainians really have managed to rebuild everything in less than a year after the January 11, 2025, strike? Search the internet for those bravura reports about that Kinzhal and Kalibr strike where they write about it... Or let's count the time until they have to strike that underground gas storage facility again. I have no complaints about the military after those strikes. All my complaints are with our "information front fighters," or simply the windbags who are getting ahead of themselves and feeding us false information.
                      26. -1
                        10 January 2026 14: 12
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        There is such a concept as "information warfare" in which we are constantly losing.

                        Yes, there's a rather meaningless concept in the public consciousness called information warfare. It's very appealing to people far removed from real warfare, because it allows them to feel like they're part of the fighting without leaving their couches, where every comment feels like a projectile fired at the enemy. In reality, information warfare has nothing to do with posting photos of the aftermath of attacks online for the amusement of the venerable public, and it has virtually no impact on actual combat operations.

                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        The US easily posts photos of its victories on the battlefield, but for some reason we are embarrassed

                        Well, first of all, the US has more opportunities, more money and more people with nothing to do.
                        Secondly, or even more importantly, here's what's going on... When our guys show you photos of holes at Yuzhmash, you're not satisfied; that's not enough, so you demand more details, to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. But when the US posts photos of holes in the desert, that's quite enough for you.
                        So, it's not about who shows what, but how you feel about it. And the reason for your attitude is by no means the quality or quantity of photos.

                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        All my complaints are directed at our "information front fighters"

                        I think they don't care about your complaints any more than the military that carries out the strikes do.
                      27. +1
                        10 January 2026 14: 19
                        Unconvincing. But I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
                        Why, then, does the Russian Ministry of Defense Press Service even work every day, churning out a ton of reports with photos and videos of combat operations? Your theory doesn't quite fit. I'm sure you understand that perfectly well, even without even leaving your couch.
                      28. 0
                        10 January 2026 14: 49
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        Why, then, does the Russian Ministry of Defense Press Service work every day and issue a bunch of reports with photos and videos of military operations?

                        Officially "The Press Service and Information Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is the central body of military command, designed to implement the state information policy of the Ministry of Defense in the field of defense.
                        The Directorate has the exclusive right to disseminate official statements and announcements of the Ministry of Defense in the media.
                        . "
                        What and why they are actually doing, I have no idea.
                      29. +1
                        11 January 2026 10: 11
                        Nikolai, thank you for the excerpt from the document on the press service's purpose. You might as well have sent me a Bradis table describing its purpose.
                        Okay, let me try my trump card again. How did you "like" the SBU videos of the strike on strategic bombers "deep in the Siberian mines" near Irkutsk? Where, like at a shooting gallery, they randomly hit planes and then broadcast it to the world?
                        Or how they infiltrate an airfield near Pskov and set fire to a couple of helicopters, filming everything on camera and then posting it online.
                        Or how they attack ships inside the Sevastopol and Novorossiysk naval bases, filming it all on video and distributing it online.
                        Are you going to insist that no one needs this? Or is it only Ukraine and the West that cares, and we don't care, we don't engage in such "stupid things"?
                        It's amazing how you managed to convince yourself of this and are trying to convince others of your indifference.
                      30. 0
                        11 January 2026 13: 17
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        You might as well send me the Bradis table with a description of its purpose.

                        A good comparison. I immediately said that I had no idea what the Press Service and Information Directorate of the Russian Ministry of Defense actually does, because the description doesn't make it particularly clear.

                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        How did you "like" the SBU videos?

                        I didn't like it at all, but I wouldn't have liked it even without the video.
                        And so:
                        a) None of the cases you mentioned have anything to do with satellites (I think that's what you were talking about). Except for using Starlink.
                        b) How did all these epic media victories of the Ukrainians impact the actual fighting? Specifically, without the cliched proclamations about how shameful it is, how everyone is laughing, how they're not afraid of anything, and how they're sending tanks and missiles, even though they started with helmets and first aid kits, and will soon send NATO divisions with nuclear Tomahawks.
                      31. +1
                        11 January 2026 13: 41
                        None of the cases you mentioned have anything to do with satellites (I think that's what you were talking about). Except for the use of Starlink.

                        So, I don't mind, show it from a non-satellite perspective, like the SBU does. And if you don't have your own agents to demonstrate the strikes, then show it from a satellite... what's stopping you?
                        b) The actual actions were not influenced by...
                        This is just your personal belief, nothing more. And if everyone thought so, the term "information warfare" wouldn't exist, and no one would engage in it. And yet, for some reason, everyone strives to succeed in such a war just as much as on the battlefield. Isn't that right? laughing
                      32. 0
                        11 January 2026 15: 15
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        Show me how the SBU shows its work, not from a satellite.

                        What, aren't they showing enough? You yourself wrote that "The Russian Ministry of Defense Press Service... is releasing a ton of reports with photos and videos of combat operations."

                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        It didn't influence actual actions... It's just your personal belief.

                        So refute it – you probably have a lot of convincing facts in support of your personal conviction.

                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        the term "information war" would not exist in nature and no one would engage in it

                        There are many terms in nature, but that doesn't prove their significance or even reality. Just as the fact that someone does them doesn't prove anything—people do all sorts of crap.

                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        in such a war, for some reason, everyone tries to succeed no less than on the battlefield

                        As far as I can tell, it's mostly internet commentators and military bloggers who are trying to succeed in the information war. It gives the former a sense of importance and involvement, while it helps the latter organize emergency meetings.
                      33. 0
                        11 January 2026 13: 23
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        How did you manage to convince yourself of this and are you trying to convince others of your indifference?

                        I am surprised that you yourself believed and persuaded others that information warfare is something real and very important.
                      34. -3
                        9 January 2026 16: 16
                        Quote from: nik-mazur
                        And the military couldn't care less about it. So why bother with something that no one needs?

                        Your logic is flawed, not normal, as usual. Then why waste money on missiles and satellites? Let the buildings stand, since, according to you, neither you nor the military care about the outcome.
                      35. -2
                        9 January 2026 20: 52
                        Quote: cmax
                        Since, according to you, neither you nor the military need the outcome

                        Are you reading this backwards? Where did you see that the military doesn't need satellites or monitoring the results of a missile strike? The military has no need to satisfy the idle curiosity of internet commentators.
                      36. +1
                        9 January 2026 16: 32
                        How is this unnecessary? Doesn't anyone want to see the enemy's gas storage facility burn? Doesn't anyone need confirmation of the Oreshnik missile's effectiveness? Are you asking us to take a "gentleman's word"? For example, I don't believe that the UGS was destroyed, nor do I believe that Oreshnik's dummy missiles destroyed Yuzhmash. If the high-precision Kalibr missile can't hit a bridge, then it's even harder to hit anything with the low-precision Oreshnik missile. The Oreshnik missile was designed to carry a nuclear warhead, and precision isn't particularly necessary for that, so this is just empty PR and a waste of expensive missiles that weren't designed for such strikes.
                      37. -2
                        9 January 2026 17: 00
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        How is this unnecessary? Doesn't anyone want to see the enemy's gas storage facility burning? Doesn't anyone need confirmation of Oreshnik's effectiveness? Are you asking us to take a "gentleman's word"? For example, I don't believe the underground gas storage facility was destroyed, nor do I believe that Oreshnik's blanks destroyed Yuzhmash.

                        And what does your disbelief change? They won't be able to eat?
                        On August 6, 1941, in the Sovinformburo report (“Arabian Tales”) it was written that Wehrmacht lost 1.5 million killed, WOUNDED(????!) and prisoners.
                        Do you think that back then no one understood that impossible Count the German wounded? Everyone understood perfectly well...
                        And who was bothered by this disbelief?
                      38. -2
                        9 January 2026 20: 57
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        How is that unnecessary? Doesn't anyone want to see the enemy's gas storage facility burn?

                        Watch movies - they show whatever you want.

                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Doesn't anyone need to confirm the effectiveness of Oreshnik?

                        Don't worry – those who need to know, know. But you don't need it, so you don't have the necessary clearance.

                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        For example, I don’t believe that the underground nuclear power plant was destroyed, nor do I believe that Oreshnik’s blanks destroyed Yuzhmash.

                        Yeah, no one really cares, really. The military doesn't care about your disbelief—they don't even think about it or even suspect it.
                      39. +1
                        9 January 2026 21: 26
                        You're a bit confused. People are being crushed with taxes and other bullshit. I'd really like some understanding of why this is happening, and where the line is. And where's the bottom line? If you don't want it to be measured, then declare martial law, mobilize, cancel loans, and so on.
                      40. -1
                        9 January 2026 22: 04
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        If you don't want it to count down, introduce martial law, mobilization, reset loans, etc.

                        What for?
                      41. 0
                        9 January 2026 22: 09
                        Because it's war!......
                      42. -2
                        9 January 2026 22: 10
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        Because it's war!

                        So, during a war, the military should satisfy the curiosity of civilians?
                      43. +1
                        9 January 2026 17: 00
                        Why are there no satellite images of the damaged object?


                        Should they be? I'd like to know who's supposed to provide you with the photos, but hasn't. Ours don't operate like the Americans, without advertising. Israel, by the way, doesn't either, but you seem to have no doubt about the effectiveness of Jewish strikes. Is this just plain stupidity, or are you really just throwing a little money at the fan? Personally, I'm only interested in my section of the front; the rest is a nice bonus.
                      44. -1
                        10 January 2026 07: 54
                        Oleg, turn off your fan, it's already smelling bad... Israel just immediately released satellite images and possibly drone aerial photos of every single "hole" in the area where they, along with the US, struck Iran. Haven't you seen those images? They were shown to us on all the Russian TV channels... What are you talking about?
                2. +2
                  9 January 2026 11: 27
                  Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
                  A UGS facility is a stone sponge, or "foam rubber," that's filled with gas under pressure.

                  Natural oil deposits are also, approximately, “arranged”!
                  1. 0
                    9 January 2026 12: 36
                    Not always; underground gas storage facilities are found in rock or salt cavities deep underground. However, they are not as large in volume as the porous excavations left behind by gas extraction.
            2. +1
              9 January 2026 09: 49
              What do we care what the enemy will say after landing? They won't be able to instantly restore the damaged object.

              So, people want to know in more detail what kind of secret facility was hit that they used the Oreshnik super missile on, and why it wasn't touched before? Or maybe it was just a transformer box in the middle of a field that was the target? You said it yourself: talking is not carrying sacks (c) yes
              1. 0
                9 January 2026 09: 52
                Hmm, well, that's only if you don't feel sorry for Oreshnik in the "transformer booth" (c)...
                1. 0
                  9 January 2026 10: 00
                  Hmm, well, that's only if you don't feel sorry for Oreshnik in the "transformer booth" (c)...

                  Well, there's no information. However, someone named Shariy reported on Telegram before our media that an "Oreshnik" missile was used in the Lviv region, but he's also confused about the target.
                  1. 0
                    9 January 2026 10: 02
                    Well, our people sometimes write about some critical infrastructure facility being damaged...
            3. +3
              9 January 2026 10: 04
              War isn't just about frontline shooting, it's also about propaganda and "working" with internal ideological counter-revolutionaries. And ours are lagging far behind in terms of propaganda, I think.
          2. -2
            9 January 2026 09: 53
            "Where are all our photo reconnaissance satellites and why haven't we taken a single photo from them?"
            "Or maybe there's no one there?"
            1. -1
              9 January 2026 10: 02
              "Or maybe there's no one there?"

              The notion that "there's no one there" has never happened in the last half-century. Last year, they even boasted about images of houses and streets in Tokyo, captured by our newest radometric reconnaissance satellite through solid cloud cover. Cars and pedestrians were clearly visible in the image. And our regular photo reconnaissance satellites, according to Korolev's deputy, Boris Chertok, were already capable of discerning the headline of the Pravda newspaper in the hands of a reader on a park bench back in the 70s.
              1. 0
                9 January 2026 10: 14
                "There has never been a situation like 'there's no one there' in the last half century."
                Well, if everything is great with our satellites, maybe there are no results?
                Maybe we should look at it with microscopes instead of telescopes?
              2. +1
                9 January 2026 14: 59
                Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                Our photo reconnaissance satellites, according to Korolev's deputy Boris Chertok, were already able to discern the headline of the Pravda newspaper in the hands of a reader on a park bench back in the 70s.

                Non-science fiction from the category of folk legends, for example, about infrared film on which everyone is naked.
                1. -1
                  9 January 2026 15: 49
                  I agree with the "newspaper headline," although B. Chertok was probably referring to the unique telescope on one of the Salyut orbital stations. And the resolution of modern reconnaissance satellites is easily listed online:

                  Alice
                  Based on sources, inaccuracies are possible

                  Contents of the response
                  The size of objects that can be discerned by reconnaissance satellites depends on the technical characteristics of the device, the altitude of its orbit, and atmospheric conditions during the survey.
                  ixbt.com
                  Some examples:
                  WorldView-3, a civilian satellite orbiting Earth at an altitude of 617 kilometers, is capable of recognizing objects as small as 30 centimeters. These are objects the size of a small suitcase or computer monitor.
                  American KH-11/12 series satellites. Military spy satellites capable of detecting objects 10–15 centimeters in size under ideal atmospheric conditions. These objects are roughly the size of a small book or tablet.
                  "Razbeg"/MKA-V. A small optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite with a resolution of 0,9 meters.
                  "Berkut-RSA" is a radar surveillance device with a resolution of 0,5 meters.
                  1. +1
                    9 January 2026 21: 10
                    Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                    The American KH-11/12 series of military spy satellites are capable of detecting objects as small as 10–15 centimeters in size under ideal atmospheric conditions.

                    Well, yes, such indicators are a theoretical ideal under the most favorable conditions. Technology, of course, is advancing, but physics is also hard to fool, so at a certain level, problems with diffraction, atmospheric fluctuations, and even light pollution from satellites and space debris begin.
                    1. 0
                      10 January 2026 07: 10
                      Nikolai, I can tell you're on top of things and know what you're talking about. I'd just like to remind you that I have no doubt we have photo reconnaissance satellites with sufficient parameters to show damaged targets behind Ukrainian lines. Where the maximum parameters cited aren't required, even any civilian Earth-surface monitoring satellite, like those used to create Google Maps in the US or Yandex Maps in Russia, would suffice. But we're not shown even such images unless the Americans themselves release them. And this is precisely what surprises me. Why? They immediately tell me these images are classified, without explaining the secret. We're not talking about photographing our territory or targets... And after this clarification, they start making nonsense about revealing the technical capabilities of our satellites... Then why publish these technical capabilities online for the public? Or are we forgetting that any digital image can now be "roughened" by not showing its maximum resolution, but still be quite sufficient for display in the media.
                      In short, there's no reasonable explanation for this mystery yet, and I've even been offered the chance to pose this question to Putin at his next public meeting. Maybe I should really try again next year? fellow laughing
                      1. 0
                        10 January 2026 14: 16
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        This is the very fact that surprises me, why?

                        a) Who should do this?
                        b) Why?

                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        I was even offered to ask Putin this question at the next chat with the people

                        I can confidently assume that his answer will not satisfy you.
                      2. 0
                        10 January 2026 14: 24
                        I can confidently assume that his answer will not satisfy you.[quote][/quote]
                        I was sure of it too, so I didn't ask. But I was hoping the knowledgeable folks on this forum would offer at least a couple of plausible arguments about why there aren't any satellite images from our SVO. And so far, I haven't received a single coherent answer. All this nonsense and nonsense about the secrecy of such images poured out, along with attacks and insults... Well, this is already commonplace on this forum.
                      3. 0
                        10 January 2026 14: 54
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        I haven't received a single clear answer yet

                        What doesn't suit you about the idea that no one needs it?
                      4. 0
                        11 January 2026 09: 54
                        I'm simply comparing this to the active distribution of photos and videos by the same Russian Ministry of Defense in the frontline zone, where footage of FAB strikes filmed by drones is immediately posted. This means there are people on staff handling this distribution to the media, thus waging an active information war alongside the combat operations. And your theory that no one needs this sounds completely unconvincing. Why is it needed on the front lines, but not deep in the enemy's territory? Especially since they have their own satellite reconnaissance equipment for this.
                      5. 0
                        11 January 2026 13: 05
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        Stories of FAB strikes filmed from UAVs are being posted right away... This means there are people on staff who are responsible for distributing this information to the media.

                        Once again: a huge number of people have access to photos and videos from frontline UAVs, including completely irresponsible and unaccountable civilians. Access to satellites is limited to a handful, even those with highly classified security. In the first case, no effort is required—any secretary can be tasked with plucking videos from Telegram; in the second, a high-level organization is needed with orders, responsible personnel assigned, oversight, and so on. So who needs that?
                      6. 0
                        11 January 2026 13: 45
                        Well, who needs this?


                        I wonder why everyone in the world NEEDS this, and only we DON'T.
                      7. 0
                        11 January 2026 15: 17
                        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                        Why does everyone in the world NEED this?

                        To whom is everyone?
            2. 0
              9 January 2026 10: 08
              "Where are all our photo reconnaissance satellites and why haven't we taken a single photo from them?"

              That's right, even when our Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines blew up, a video immediately appeared, but nothing here. Well, maybe a photo from some village in the outskirts showing a distant glow.
            3. +1
              9 January 2026 11: 13
              "Where are all our photo reconnaissance satellites and why haven't we taken a single photo from them?"
              "Or maybe there's no one there?"

              I don't think we've ever been shown any images from a military satellite. I think they were all taken from civilian satellites. Do we have any civilian ones?request
              I don't know. And they seemed to joke about high clouds over this place, so there won't be a photo. It's possible that there really will be clouds. request
              1. +1
                10 January 2026 08: 08
                Cloud cover doesn't last forever. And if there's something to show, it can be done a week later, when the weather clears. Another thing is that there really is nothing to show from "Oreshnik," if all there are are holes in the ground and not even explosion craters, the entire effect is from internal destruction. But this underground gas storage facility was hit twice last year with Kinzhal and Kalibr missiles on ground infrastructure, and they reported "complete destruction"... but even then, they didn't confirm it with images. And now, exactly a year later, we're destroying this underground gas storage facility again... They managed to rebuild it, twice?
                1. +1
                  10 January 2026 21: 58
                  Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                  if there are only holes in the ground and not even craters from the explosion, and the entire effect is from internal destruction.

                  There should be craters, at least from soil subsidence. There's nothing inside to destroy, or rather, it's unlikely that they would be damaged by blanks. However, the actual characteristics are still unknown, so it's impossible to say anything definitive.

                  Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                  But this underground gas storage facility was hit twice in the past few years with Kinzhal and Kalibr missiles on ground infrastructure, and they wrote about "complete destruction"...

                  What else can the Ministry of Defense say? Admit that nothing worked, or that only a few things worked? To be fair, this is considerably larger than an underground gas storage facility on the site of a depleted gas field, or even two fields. There's a lot of ground infrastructure there, everything is duplicated, perhaps even multiple times. So there's always something to destroy. An underground gas storage facility, of course, is a difficult target for a hazelnut tree. But let them conduct combat testing, and at the same time, they'll project a pretty picture into the minds of Europeans. Whatever one may say, whether this is the first time, or even now, there are flashes of wisdom in the minds of European politicians.
            4. 0
              12 January 2026 14: 09
              And I wonder why the gas didn’t burst into flames?... No, I understand that the storage facility is deep (how deep, by the way?), but there are pipelines and so on.
        3. 0
          9 January 2026 11: 37
          After 4 years of incomprehensible humanism, now yes, there will definitely be dissatisfied people.
      2. +1
        9 January 2026 10: 23
        Quote: Denis_999
        What's the point of her, Bankova?
        After Zelensky and his co. are sent to Bandera for permanent residence, the political situation may change.
        1. 0
          9 January 2026 17: 05
          Quote: Schneeberg
          Quote: Denis_999
          What's the point of her, Bankova?
          After Zelensky and his co. are sent to Bandera for permanent residence, the political situation may change.

          What has changed in Venezuela since Maduro's arrest? So far, nothing.
          If Trump says they should consider the embassy's senior janitor the president of Ukraine, they'll do it. All they have to do is appoint new leaders...
      3. 0
        9 January 2026 11: 46
        Quote: Denis_999
        ...they should have shot at Bankova like that...


        What's the point of her, Bankova? Well, let's have a shot (for the sake of moral satisfaction, strange, right? :) - and a howl will go around Rus': "Where have you been before!"

        What was the point of attacking Putin's empty residence? It was a media effect, there was so much outrage among the Russian people. Why don't we take the Ukrainian patriots down a peg and provoke their indignation, since they boast that they shoot down almost all of our missiles and drones.
    2. +12
      9 January 2026 09: 06
      Quote: Nexcom
      They should have shot at Bankova like that

      Bankova Street needs a comprehensive approach, so that even the grass won't grow there for 100 years, but it's not meant to be. Only those completely out of touch with reality probably believe the fairy tales about Zelinsky and his team's worthlessness. No matter how much of a clown Zelinsky may be, he's currently a dictator with a powerful punitive apparatus, backed by colossal funds and comprehensive Western support. The Kremlin's logic regarding the top brass of the Ukrainian Reich is unclear, but it is what it is.
      Nevertheless, there have been some significant advances. At least since the fourth year, they've begun targeting truly critical infrastructure—critical for the West. How much simpler things would have been if such actions had occurred before Sudzha, and the disconnection of Kyiv and Europe from our gas had occurred according to our plan, inflicting unforeseen damage on the enemy. This is capitalism, and our VPR is the core of this model of social order.
      1. +2
        9 January 2026 09: 11
        We need a comprehensive approach to Bankova Street, so that even grass won't grow there for 100 years...


        These are emotions. I won't hide that I also experience them.

        Zelensky is a British pawn. The British need to be targeted, not him, but the British, not with the "Nuts" (or "Hazelnuts"), but through covert operations and terror, through second- and third-party channels (as they always do).

        Look, Gurulev voiced my fresh thoughts in an interview yesterday.
        1. -1
          9 January 2026 11: 51
          Quote: Denis_999
          We need a comprehensive approach to Bankova Street, so that even grass won't grow there for 100 years...


          These are emotions. I won't hide that I also experience them.

          Zelensky is a British pawn. The British need to be targeted, not him, but the British, not with the "Nuts" (or "Hazelnuts"), but through covert operations and terror, through second- and third-party channels (as they always do).

          Look, Gurulev voiced my fresh thoughts in an interview yesterday.

          Let every pawn who hates and defiles Russia live in fear that they are being hunted and that death awaits them, but for now, our government, on the contrary, makes the lives of its enemies safe.
    3. +1
      9 January 2026 09: 11
      Judging by the footage, it really was a "hazelnut"... Right now, a high-altitude (I emphasize high-altitude, at an altitude of 100 km) nuclear explosion would be carried out over western Ukraine for polishing. The effect would be a shock wave and electromagnetic radiation without nuclear contamination of the area, disabling all the enemy's radio equipment and energy systems would be no small feat, and also a demonstration of a second sun for the "coalition of the willing."
    4. +1
      9 January 2026 09: 34
      ...they should have shot at Bankova like that...
      For what?
      We need to fire at the decision-making centers, and only an ICBM can reach there.
      1. 0
        9 January 2026 09: 35
        At least the "center of the stench" could have been evaporated in this way as a warning...
        1. 0
          9 January 2026 09: 36
          Oh, come on! They shut down CIPSO every month. For how long?
          1. -1
            9 January 2026 09: 37
            So they multiply like cockroaches and hide in different corners - you cover them there, but they crawl out of other cracks
            1. 0
              9 January 2026 10: 11
              Same with banking. New ones will come running.
              1. -1
                9 January 2026 10: 13
                That's for sure....

                short comment
    5. -5
      9 January 2026 09: 36
      Quote: Nexcom
      ...they should have shot at Bankova like that...
      No, it's clear that there's no material damage there - it's not a gas storage facility or anything like that, but in another sense, what satisfaction it will bring to many...

      That is, an underground gas storage facility in the Lviv region (which, according to the enemy, was the target of the Oreshnik) was hit with a “blank”
      I don't see the point of attacking the storage facility without destroying it. The counterattack is weak...
      1. -1
        9 January 2026 09: 40
        How should it be done - turn half of Ukraine into a single crater? It would look nice, of course, but apparently the higher-ups don't want it that way.
      2. -1
        9 January 2026 09: 58
        "I don't know what the point is in attacking the vault."
        The UGS isn't a point on the map, but a large area containing various objects. A single strike won't damage them, and even a nuclear strike would cause little damage. Apparently, the Hazelnut Plant had accuracy issues. Last time, they hit the factory, this time, the UGS.
      3. +2
        9 January 2026 15: 04
        Quote: Panin (Michman)
        They beat me with a dummy. I don't know what the point is.

        Tests? During them, they often hit with blanks to ensure a clean result.
    6. 0
      9 January 2026 11: 02
      This is pointless, it was developed for nuclear weapons and its accuracy is +-200 m, which is enough for a nuclear weapon, but it cannot hit point targets with blanks.
    7. +1
      9 January 2026 12: 13
      Well, if only against the bunker with the junta, but against buildings with a nuclear concrete-breaker, even without a warhead, it’s excessive for the Western scum to hide.
      In general, I wonder if anyone in the world has nuclear concrete-piercing missiles that can hit targets at a depth of 400-500 m?
      1. 0
        9 January 2026 16: 45
        nuclear concrete-piercing missiles
        - This is, of course, complete madness.
    8. 0
      9 January 2026 13: 50
      There will be satisfaction.
      That's right!
      But, as always in this world, there are two sides to the coin.
      Satisfaction comes from the Bandarlogs' disappointment over the destruction of their capital's symbolic buildings, but, on the other hand, the destroyed presidential and cabinet buildings provide the Greens with a reason to ask for more aid.
      It would be better to eliminate the ringleaders themselves, not the buildings. It's clear they're taking measures to avoid being eliminated, but they should strive for it!
      As for the Oreshnik warhead, it is for a nuclear warhead.
      It's just that a hard alloy blank, heavier than a warhead containing explosives, will cause more damage at such impact speeds with the target.
    9. -1
      9 January 2026 13: 55
      Nexcom
      Today, 08: 50
      ...they should have shot at Bankova like that...
      No, it's clear that there's no material damage there - it's not a gas storage facility or anything like that, but in another sense, what satisfaction it will bring to many...

      hi To achieve greater effect and benefit, then, according to confirmed intelligence and agent data, strike during a junta meeting on Bankova Street or Grushevsky Street.
      The time for flirting with the false West, the Anglo-Saxons and the junta is over.
      After all the violations of international norms and attempts to humiliate the Russian people and state, it is necessary to methodically remove the regime of the Jewish drug lord from Kiev and force the mattress makers, the small-time Brits, and Gayropa to peace through Russian force.
  2. +3
    9 January 2026 08: 53
    But is there an explosive that would be effective at such kinetics and temperatures? That's the question. After all, this dummy charge would likely heat up to hundreds of degrees in an instant.
    1. +4
      9 January 2026 08: 55
      ...there's actually plasma forming around the piece of iron...
      1. +2
        9 January 2026 08: 57
        Quote: Nexcom
        ...there's even plasma forming around the piece of iron...

        Consider it the Tunguska meteorite, only smaller.
        1. -1
          9 January 2026 08: 59
          ...well, formally, you could say that, but without the arrival from space and the sonic boom and explosion on the "heavenly-atmospheric firmament"... laughing
        2. +2
          9 January 2026 09: 06
          Quote: Michael
          Consider it the Tunguska meteorite, only smaller.

          Consider that the Tunguska meteorite was loaded with explosives and evaporated before it even reached the surface, but this one is made of stone.
          1. +2
            9 January 2026 09: 24
            Quote: Andobor
            Consider that the Tunguska meteorite was loaded with explosives and evaporated before it even reached the surface, but this one is made of stone.

            Metal!!!
            1. +1
              9 January 2026 09: 33
              A metal "core" with cosmic ice and other crap, which initially exploded in the atmosphere and literally wiped out half the forest, and everything else they still haven't been able to find... well, they seem to have picked out some microfragments, but as far as I know, they haven't been able to find anything else...
              1. +1
                9 January 2026 09: 46
                Quote: Nexcom
                a metal "core" with space ice and other junk

                They wrote a lot about him in "Science and Life" and "Technology for Youth." I mentioned Tunguska because he's the most famous. And he went boom.
                1. 0
                  9 January 2026 09: 47
                  Yes, I remember, I read that at one time too...
            2. 0
              9 January 2026 09: 46
              (whispering) How come the kakels haven't thought of saying that our people got a glimpse of the Oreshnik from the Tunguska meteorite because they say we can't do anything... wassat I'm always amazed by their fantasies, but here there's such a ground for chatter and they missed it... wassat
              1. 0
                9 January 2026 09: 48
                Quote: Nexcom
                (whispering) How come the Kakels haven't thought of saying that our Hazelnut tree is from the Tunguska meteorite?

                Exactly! Alien technology!!!
                1. 0
                  9 January 2026 09: 58
                  the good

                  Muscovites used to steal (c) wassat
    2. +4
      9 January 2026 08: 56
      Quote: al3x
      But is there an explosive that will be effective at such kinetics and temperature? That is the question.

      Yes. This problem was addressed, among other things, during the development of hypersonic weapons.
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    4. -2
      9 January 2026 09: 46
      Firstly, it's not yet clear exactly what they struck, specifically the underground gas storage facility. Personally, I don't understand why such a powerful weapon was used specifically on an underground gas storage facility. If it was to deprive the enemy of gas, then it could be replenished from Europe. Secondly, if they did strike
      Regarding the underground gas storage facility, was it filled with gas? If so, the explosion must have been so powerful that it would have reached Poland. Nothing has been heard yet.
      1. 0
        9 January 2026 20: 19
        A UGS facility isn't a gas cylinder meant to explode. It's a porous formation. Most likely, the main target is the infrastructure that services it.
  3. +2
    9 January 2026 08: 58
    Quote: Nexcom
    ...they should have shot at Bankova like that...
    No, it's clear that there's no material damage there - it's not a gas storage facility or anything like that, but in another sense, what satisfaction it will bring to many...

    A regular Iskander double-header (OFZ/cassette) would be enough there, both for devastation and for media coverage. Hazelnuts are expensive there. Casting pearls before swine.
    1. +3
      9 January 2026 09: 08
      Quote: Shiry Prapor
      Hazelnuts are expensive there.

      It is necessary to test and demonstrate in any case.
      1. +1
        9 January 2026 10: 34
        Of course it should be, who's arguing? But we tested a full-scale mockup, but didn't grant access to the test site for specialists. No target samples were removed. So, the tests are ours, and the results and reports are for the enemy. We'll have to settle for indirect analysis.
        1. +2
          9 January 2026 15: 07
          Quote: Shiry Prapor
          We tested a full-scale model, but did not provide access for specialists to the test site.

          Well, strictly speaking, we can’t know that.
          1. 0
            9 January 2026 15: 19
            Here, most conclusions are made based on assumptions, speculation and rumours.
            1. 0
              9 January 2026 15: 34
              Quote: Shiry Prapor
              Here, most conclusions are made based on assumptions, speculation and rumors.

              Well, yes. That's what I said based on that.
  4. +2
    9 January 2026 09: 00
    ❝ Now we should wait for data on the damage caused to the underground gas storage facility in the Lviv region ❞ —

    — We're really looking forward to it...
  5. +3
    9 January 2026 09: 01
    "It is quite possible to expect that the enemy will try to downplay this damage..."

    Or maybe the opposite—exaggerate to prevent further attacks. At least they already wrote about the gas supply problems themselves.
  6. +1
    9 January 2026 09: 01
    It's probably akin to a bolide from space... a piece of iron (or ice) in 1908, it destroyed thousands of kilometers of forest, and then there's this head, how big is it, 2-3 meters, and such damage...
    1. -1
      9 January 2026 16: 59
      So, the Tunguska meteorite was 75 meters in diameter and exploded at an altitude of 12 kilometers. And the warhead is a cone 80 cm long, 30 cm wide at the base, and weighing 130 kg. Such a rod would simply make a hole in the ground without causing any damage. So, the use of Oreshnik was simply a PR stunt, which, by the way, was a success; look how many of our people were delighted.
  7. HAM
    +2
    9 January 2026 09: 06
    "Are you warm, young lady!? Are you warm, red one?" @//this is about the country... The effect will be more severe than the blow to Bankova... it turns out this is a blow to Europe's wallet, too, they stored part of their gas in the "very reliable" PChG... and Winter will ask Lviv residents about "patriotism"...
  8. -3
    9 January 2026 09: 06
    A rocket without a warhead is like sex with a condom: there is movement, but no progress.
  9. +5
    9 January 2026 09: 07
    I watched the videos, they blew up big, the whole region was ablaze, the Banderites say that's how greenhouses work, the gas pressure in the Ukrainian network dropped sharply, I like everything so far, we're waiting for the reaction of the pedophiles-gays-West wassat drinks
  10. -9
    9 January 2026 09: 11
    Moreover, this enormous kinetic energy also applies to microfragments of the "blank" during the final phase of flight. These are the so-called cumulative vectors (jets), which are capable of penetrating many meters through any obstacle, including concrete, soil, and metal structures.

    The Oreshnik is a decent medium-range ballistic missile, nothing more. Maybe we should stop talking about unparalleled super-super missiles that have no analogues? In the fourth year of the SVO, this is already becoming irritating.
    1. +2
      9 January 2026 09: 18
      Quote: mt3276
      Maybe it's enough to talk about super-super missiles that have no analogues and no analogues?

      Wake up. Where does it say "unparalleled"?
      1. +2
        9 January 2026 15: 08
        Quote: Volodin
        Where does it say here that "it has no analogues"

        Apparently, that's what the manual says.
    2. +3
      9 January 2026 09: 24
      Ordinary, you say? So why don't they have ordinary ones like this in the West and the Americans?
      1. -3
        9 January 2026 17: 19
        The Americans don't have one, because they were abiding by the restrictions on medium-range missile production, and now they'll make one just as good. And yes, it's a conventional missile, and it doesn't have any unique capabilities, but we still need to conserve those missiles, since the Oreshnik was designed to carry a nuclear warhead, which would be very useful in a major war (God forbid, of course).
  11. -3
    9 January 2026 09: 14
    Our Oreshnik strike is excellent!!! We need to strengthen our strikes. Moreover, according to AIF, "About 556 thousand people in the Belgorod region were left without electricity and heat due to the overnight shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces."
    1. -3
      9 January 2026 10: 27
      And more than 200 thousand are without water.
  12. +2
    9 January 2026 09: 15
    Since it comes to the use of nuclear warheads while If that doesn't work, it's better to use kinetic warheads than those loaded with conventional explosives. An example is the tank APFSDS, which has greater armor penetration than HE shells due to its speed. For now, these will suffice for media impact.
    1. -7
      9 January 2026 11: 13
      So who is this effect intended for? Russians, perhaps. Everyone else has already realized that the inaccurate and expensive Oreshnik blank is a dud.
      1. -1
        9 January 2026 17: 44
        I also believe that hitting Oreshnik with blanks is neither logical nor reasonable. I think that the use of Oreshnik is an attempt to "save face" on the part of our government, since Oreshnik is perceived by our people as something monstrous, which, by the way, is fueled by propaganda.
  13. +1
    9 January 2026 09: 17
    Whose gas was in that storage facility, or even what gas distribution scheme did it participate in? The Americans wouldn't have touched the tankers...
  14. 0
    9 January 2026 09: 26
    Good... But not enough! We should also hit some oil platform, like in the North Sea...
  15. -2
    9 January 2026 09: 36
    They struck, and that's good. The problem is, it turns out there's nothing to respond to the terror with except a blank.
  16. +2
    9 January 2026 09: 50
    Russia is about to start anvils, there are enough for 2-3 Oreshnik launches left. Yeah, right, I know where there are a lot of anchors, I just need to do some filing. laughing
    1. +2
      9 January 2026 10: 00
      Andrey, why are you burning strategic iron reserves??? wassat

      hi

      PS, well, the anvil will fly without finishing with a file. Yes
      1. +3
        9 January 2026 10: 05
        Dmitriy hi Every Russian fishing trawler will donate a spare anchor; it will be considered an honor. Underwater infrastructure is a commonplace... drinks And the Norwegians shouldn't relax. We tore their Pilagach trawls apart, we are tearing them apart and we will continue to tear them apart. They carry at least 4 loads of "chuganina" weighing 500 kg each.
        1. 0
          9 January 2026 10: 06
          Andy drinks

          Well, that's it - I predict: now they'll start whining and stinking from there that the Muscovites have wasted their last anchors and anvils on Oreshnik. wassat Because we're out of washing machines and irons... wassat
  17. -2
    9 January 2026 09: 52
    The strikes carried out are certainly a positive, but they are again disproportionate. These strikes can be considered retaliatory for the Belgorod region, but not for the presidential residence, especially since this residence is not just a residence but also a strategic facility, including one associated with the management of nuclear weapons. Furthermore, the attack was not on a collective farm barn, a fuel depot, etc., but on a facility of particular importance. However, the response was supposedly directed at purely civilian infrastructure, not a strategic facility belonging to Ukraine's Nazi elite. Doesn't the President of Ukraine have his own residence? Or was the attack planned somewhere in the upper echelons of the SBU, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and so on. Why are military operations ongoing, while only civilian infrastructure is being destroyed, and not military offices housing the highest command? Why did Ukraine attack the residence of the Russian leader, while we only attacked civilian infrastructure, again we're just whining, and we're not like that? This is state terrorism against the leader. There have certainly been pretexts for full-scale military action against Ukraine, a terrorist state, before, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces struck strategic aviation targets in the Far East, in Engels and elsewhere. A strike on a residence is a red line. Our high-ranking military leaders were killed in Moscow, and what happened in response? Nothing. When will Russia move from "in response" to preventive action? Who initiated the strategic military action, Russia or Ukraine? When is the perception that in response, etc., Russia is merely defending itself from Ukraine's actions, from the actions of nationalists. Is this how the strategic military action's goals of dearmament and denazification are achieved? It's clear that the leader cannot make the necessary decisions for full-scale military action and a speedy end to the conflict because his friends, comrades, and oligarchs are not providing the funds; they are making money. During the SVO, the people consolidated, giving away their last crumbs, while the leader's inner circle amassed wealth. New billionaires emerged during the SVO, and those who already were have multiplied their fortunes. Are they really going to let the top media figure finish the SVO anytime soon? Like in the cartoon "The Golden Antelope," I want more, more gold. I'm afraid they'll never be satisfied! All the parties are reporting that they've sent yet another round of humanitarian aid. How and from whom did you send them? Ask Sechin, Novak, Miller, and their ilk to give you at least one day's salary, and you'll be able to send hundreds of humanitarian aid packages in a day with that money!
    1. +2
      9 January 2026 15: 12
      Quote: nikniknik
      These strikes can be considered as a response to the Belgorod region, but not to the presidential residence.

      Stop spouting nonsense – it hurts her. The military never retaliates or takes revenge – there are simply no such concepts in the regulations or manuals.
      1. -1
        9 January 2026 16: 09
        If I write nonsense, then all the media and the country's leaders write nonsense. And the military does what the politicians allow.
        1. 0
          9 January 2026 21: 13
          Quote: nikniknik
          All the media and the country's leaders are talking nonsense

          Congratulations on the opening.
          1. 0
            10 January 2026 12: 37
            On Friday, the Ministry of Defense reported that Russian forces used Oreshnik hypersonic missiles to launch a massive strike on critical targets in Ukraine in response to the attack on President Vladimir Putin's residence.
            1. 0
              10 January 2026 14: 18
              Quote: nikniknik
              The Ministry of Defense reported on Friday

              And what follows from this, in your opinion?
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    1. +1
      9 January 2026 10: 18
      Quote: Come here
      Yuzhmash continued to operate after the hazelnut mill

      You might also write, "Yuzhmash continues to produce Zenit missiles, just as it did before." Just because there's a security guard working at Yuzhmash doesn't mean the plant is operational. Even basic electricity, enough to keep the lights on, is a luxury at Yuzhmash.
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  20. -7
    9 January 2026 10: 21
    Quote: Lemon
    Ordinary, you say? So why don't they have ordinary ones like this in the West and the Americans?

    Dear comrade (or sir), as you prefer. Such missiles have existed in the West and even in the USSR since the 60s. hi
  21. 0
    9 January 2026 10: 41
    Essentially, "Oreshnik" is another step closer to energy weapons, and WE took this step.
    1. -1
      9 January 2026 17: 54
      What energy weapon are you talking about? Any warhead on any ballistic missile has the same characteristics. Our Yars and Topol missiles differ from the Oreshnik missiles only in their longer range and therefore lower throw weight, but everything else is the same. So why isn't anyone so excited about the Yars and Topol missiles?
  22. -1
    9 January 2026 10: 46
    Following reports from the Ukrainian side about the second combat use of the Oreshnik medium-range ballistic missile by the Russian army

    However, we have no official reports yet about the purpose of "Oreshnik".
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  24. 0
    9 January 2026 13: 38
    Blah blah blah...
    Maybe they should have at least sprinkled some millet there so that the pigeons would shit there?
  25. -1
    9 January 2026 13: 52
    Everyone, both here and abroad, knows the results of Oreshnik's actions, both the first and second, everyone except Russians. Our government believes that we, as a people, are unworthy of the truth.
  26. 0
    9 January 2026 14: 21
    As a guess, Oreshnik is the future replacement for nuclear weapons. We were pestered for a long time about chemical weapons, and we got rid of them. We can't use nuclear weapons right now because of public condemnation, but Oreshnik is a completely morally neutral weapon. We just need to clarify the effect. For me, it's just holes in the ground. I saw a photo of a giant crater, and five meters away there's a solid brick wall. What would happen with a hole punch?
  27. 0
    9 January 2026 15: 57
    Why the hell would they hit buildings on Bankova with such weapons?
    I can’t understand why they still haven’t fired at the posts across the Dnieper in central Ukraine?
    1. -2
      9 January 2026 18: 07
      Well, after four years, you can understand why they're not shelling us. For example, the bridge in Zatoka was shelled a lot, and it's not made of reinforced concrete, but cast iron, and it's still in use. Why do you think that is? I'll tell you – bridges are "out of our league," meaning we don't have the technical capability to destroy them. Is that sad to hear? Yes, it's bitter, but the truth is often bitter.
  28. +2
    9 January 2026 18: 06
    "Oreshnik" approaches the target (and this is a hypersonic speed - above 5,5 Mach), its destructive potential is so high that for a target such as a UGS, it outweighs the use of a high-explosive warhead. The estimated equivalent is about 7-8 tons of TNT

    The equivalent of 8 tons of TNT is the energy possessed by a body of mass 10 tons flying at a speed of 80 kilometers per second

    In other words, the article presents unrealistic figures.
  29. 0
    9 January 2026 18: 15
    The public eagerly embraces the concept of a "kinetic warhead" and expects it to perform miraculous feats, seemingly oblivious to the fact that all such decisions are forced measures.

    The amount of destruction from an armor-piercing projectile is always less, than from a land mine of the same weight.

    Armor-piercing shells have a lower explosive content (or contain no explosives at all) not because their kinetic energy reserves are capable of causing more destruction than conventional explosives. In such cases, designers have no choice. They must create a hole in the tank's armor by any means necessary, of any size—as large as possible.

    Or operate in a special environment where the formation of a blast wave is impossible (deep vacuum in the upper layers of the atmosphere) - for interceptor missiles
  30. 0
    10 January 2026 00: 04
    The fact is that at the speed at which the Oreshnik missile (warhead) approaches its target (which is hypersonic – above Mach 5,5), its destructive potential is so high that for a target like a UGS facility, it outweighs the use of a high-explosive warhead. The estimated equivalent is about 7-8 tons of TNT, but not in the form of a classic explosion, but in the form of directed energy....?????????
    The energy equivalent of a 1200 kg warhead at Mach 11 is approximately 1900 kg of TNT, and at Mach 6, approximately 600 kg. Therefore, except for precision strikes (very precise, down to a few meters) on deeply buried targets, the use of such warheads is impractical.
  31. 0
    10 January 2026 17: 56
    I disagree: "The estimated equivalent is about 7-8 tons of TNT." From 15 to 18 tons.
    1. 0
      10 January 2026 20: 41
      Kinetic energy E = m * (V * V) / 2, school physics course 9th grade. Speed ​​11 mach = 11 * 330 = 3630 m / s
      warhead mass m=1200 kg
      Therefore E = 1200 * 3630 * 3630/2 = 7,906,140,000 J. TNT 4, 184 * 10 ^ 6 J / kg
      M(TNT)=7,906,140,000:4184000=1889,6 kg
      1. 0
        10 January 2026 21: 33
        Further. To heat a tungsten blank weighing m=1200 kg to a melting point T=3422 C, the heat capacity of tungsten is 134 J/kg g, Qr=1200*134*3422=550 257 600 J with a reserve, since the initial temperature is always greater than zero.
        heat of fusion of tungsten 285000 J/kg Qpl = 1200 * 285,000 = 342,000,000 J
        Total: to turn the blank into a stream of flying tungsten drops, it will take
        Q=342,000,000+550,257,600=892,257,600 J, and the blank has a reserve of 7,906,140,000.
        The targeting of such a warhead would look something like this: first, a relatively small hole is created, depending on the target's parameters—concrete, soil, etc.—then, from a certain depth, the warhead fragments into numerous droplets of tungsten at a temperature of 3500-4000°C, but that's underground, or in a concrete bunker buried deep within. Hitting such a warhead requires precision, just like an APFSDS round on a tank. Hit the turret, well done, and then hit the ground a meter from the tank, a complete meltdown.
        1. WIS
          0
          11 January 2026 03: 47
          Quote: allexkir_ko
          The work on the target of such a warhead will look something like this, first a hole relatively small diameter, and depends on the parameters of the target, concrete, soil..., then from a certain depth the blank fragments into many drops of tungsten

          Stop... stop
          From this moment can be more detailed?
          Something "Expense" of energy required to form a non-fictional hole, with similar to those above Calculations, as well as the overall description of the process that forms the evaporation of a body (until a hole), like the armor of a tank, for example, hit by a cumulative projectile, are completely absent.
          Or did you want to say that the warhead enters the ground like clockwork!?
          1. 0
            11 January 2026 14: 09
            Let's continue.
            First, I showed that there is no such thing as 7-8, much less 15-18 tons of TNT equivalent, especially at Mach 5.5. That's the speed of a modern anti-tank APFSDS.
            about 1800 m/s, a mini Oreshnik.
            That's why I took approximately Mach 11 into account. As observers from Country 404 said, the warhead hit the target at a speed of approximately 13000 km/h—that's 3611 m/s, or about Mach 11. So, 1900 kg of TNT equivalent isn't bad at all, considering that this is the energy of the rocket's booster motors, the total mass of the rocket, etc. Just like with an anti-tank APFSDS, the energy of the propellant powder, which is concentrated on an area of ​​armor with a diameter of approximately 35-40 mm, is the penetration.
            I didn't write anything about vaporizing the body (until a hole is created); you figured that out yourself. I calculated that at Mach 11, the energy reserve would be sufficient to ensure that after impacting the target, punching a hole in the ground (maybe not perfectly), and creating a shock wave in the ground (a mini-earthquake, like from a bomb weighing no more than 1000 kg), 15-20% of the initial reserve would be enough to turn a tungsten slug into a bundle of red-hot shrapnel, but that's already there, not on the surface. If you search online, you can find photos of strategic missile slugs hitting the ground at a test site in Kamchatka, at even higher speeds.
            A cumulative projectile doesn't vaporize, burn, or even penetrate anything, but rather washes through armor, like a thin stream of warm water can wash a hole in a piece of butter (not from the freezer). At the pressure that develops when exposed to a metallic cumulative jet (speed of about 10 km/s), the armor behaves not like a solid, but almost like a liquid, like jellied meat.
  32. -1
    14 January 2026 08: 36
    We're talking about so-called cumulative vectors (jets), which are capable of penetrating many meters through any obstacle, including concrete, soil, and metal structures. This type of unloaded weapon is used precisely for penetrating something (and we've already mentioned what exactly).

    Now we must wait for data on the damage caused to the underground gas storage facility in the Lviv region.

    A change in soil density is a disaster in any case. All construction calculations are based on this.
    1. 0
      14 January 2026 13: 12
      "A change in soil density is a disaster in any case."
      At what depth? At the UGS facility where I worked, the wells were between 700 and 1500 meters deep. The ten meters of depth of the funnel formed by the hazelnut tree is completely irrelevant. laughing
      1. 0
        14 January 2026 13: 27
        Quote: ZloyKot
        At what depth? At the UGS facility where I worked, the wells were between 700 and 1500 meters deep. The ten meters of depth of the funnel formed by the hazelnut tree is completely irrelevant.

        As I understand it, the valves start to enter within these ten meters? And most likely, there is a building above the shaft.
        1. 0
          14 January 2026 13: 30
          "As I understand it, the valves start to enter within these ten meters?"
          What valves? Some "expert" mentioned some valves, and everyone immediately started shouting, "Ah, valves, valves." There aren't any valves there. Or rather, there are, but in the wrong place, and not for that purpose. laughing
          1. 0
            14 January 2026 13: 34
            Quote: ZloyKot
            what valves?

            Shutoff valves. If work is being carried out and a gas storage facility needs to be shut off, they're likely located at the surface rather than 700 meters below. I suspect there are also problems with the shaft, condensates, and a host of related problems for this industry.
            1. 0
              14 January 2026 13: 40
              Shut-off valves. If work is being carried out and the gas storage facility needs to be shut off.
              You're absolutely right about that. During various operations, the UGS facility is isolated from the work site. There's just one small nuance: there are hundreds of these wells at the UGS facility. laughing And yes, they are shut off with valves—called a Christmas tree. And even if one or three wells are destroyed by a hazel grove, nothing fatal will happen. At most, the maintenance staff will work for a couple of days without a break. laughing
        2. 0
          14 January 2026 16: 22
          "And most likely there is a building above the trunk."
          Do you have even the most basic idea of ​​how a UGS works? What kind of shaft? What kind of building?
          1. +1
            15 January 2026 08: 31
            Quote: ZloyKot
            Do you have even the most basic idea of ​​how a UGS works? What kind of shaft? What kind of building?

            How tired I am of you smartasses. You've been to a mine once and you're a surveyor?
            Where are the Christmas trees here?
            These blue buildings are the shafts, and on top of them is a gas compressor station with shut-off equipment. Where is it possible to change the soil density (by a missile strike on a hazel tree) without affecting the production process?
            1. 0
              15 January 2026 11: 25
              "Once you've been to a mine, you're a surveyor?
              Where are the Christmas trees here?
              Actually, I worked at a UGS facility for 15 years. I know how it works better than many on this site, and certainly better than you. Everyone at Gazprom knows what a "Christmas tree" is, maybe even Miller does. laughing
              A shaft is a shaft in a mine, while at Gazprom it's a well. What's depicted in your vague drawing looks a bit like a gas treatment facility, with a dehydrator, separators, and other devices unknown to you.
              "And above there's a gas compressor station with shut-off equipment. Where is it possible to change the soil density (by rocket attack on hazel) without affecting the production process?"
              Not with the shutoff equipment, but with the shutoff valves. That's one. Two, if a missile hits here, something will definitely be damaged. But that damage is easily contained, and the entire site can't be destroyed in a single strike, even if it's a hazel grove. Three, your drawing shows one UGS facility, and there are dozens of them, located over an area of ​​tens, even hundreds of square kilometers. The probability of a single missile hitting a UGS facility is hundreds of times greater than the probability of hitting any UGS facility.
              Four - the building can't be a trunk, even if it's blue. laughing I won't try to prove anything to you anymore - you won't understand anyway. laughing Moreover, the Ministry of Defense stated that they fired hazelnuts at some factory and even hit it, and the UGS had nothing to do with it.
            2. 0
              15 January 2026 11: 34
              "I'm so sick of you smart guys."
              ignorance frees from doubt laughing . that's right, in our opinion!
              1. 0
                15 January 2026 12: 10
                Quote: ZloyKot
                Ignorance frees from doubt. That's right, in our opinion!

                I give up and go into the fog! wink
    2. 0
      14 January 2026 13: 15
      "Now we must wait for data on the damage caused to the underground gas storage facility in the Lviv region."
      It's already been said, they didn't hit the UGS, but some plant, either a repair or an assembly plant. In short, they haven't decided yet. laughing
  33. +1
    14 January 2026 10: 09
    Sarcasm on
    Why do we need explosives? We haven't even started fighting for real yet... Well, who knows, we've killed 150 people, not counting the people from the DPR, LPR, and Kursk Oblast... It's just a fact of life, and we won't start any further.
    Sarcasm off