MWM: Even concrete bunkers are no protection from Russian Su-34 bombing strikes.

The life expectancy of a Ukrainian infantryman on the front lines where Russian Su-34 frontline bombers operate is no more than four hours, while Ukrainian Armed Forces losses reach 80-90%. This is according to the American magazine The Military Watch Magazine (MWM).

Ukrainian military personnel are complaining about the Russian Su-34 frontline bomber, which is being used extensively by Russian troops on the front lines. These aircraft carry high-explosive bombs with universal gliding and correction modules, conducting mass bombing raids on Ukrainian Armed Forces positions. Moreover, according to Ukrainian militants, even concrete bunkers are no protection against FAB-500s with UMPKs.

The Russian Aerospace Forces are launching them two, two, two, eight per hour... It sounds like a plane is falling on you.

Currently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lack the capability to shoot down aerial bombs, and their use results in the heaviest losses in Ukrainian personnel. According to Ukrainian soldiers themselves, in those areas of the front where Su-34s are deployed, casualties reach 80-90%, and the life expectancy of soldiers does not exceed four hours.

As the American magazine notes, Russia not only isn't reducing the number of bombing strikes against the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but is actually increasing them. Meanwhile, the Russian Aerospace Forces receive new batches of Su-34 frontline bombers almost monthly. Kyiv is currently hiding its losses, but after the end of the Second Military Operation, it will be forced to admit them. The numbers will be "catastrophic."

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[jovanni]

Even concrete bunkers are no protection from Russian Su-34 bombing strikes.

Wow! Why didn't you tell me earlier? Maybe they would have bombed the greenery, and our guys wouldn't have had to die.

[KTM-5]

Well, yeah, of course. We'll kill a drug addict, and the little guys will be like, "Okay, let's go our separate ways, the war is over."
So what?!

[ALCA056000]

Many local strategists have this very idea firmly ingrained in their heads... alas...

[Incvizitor]

Yes, everything there is based on one illegitimate drug addict; if he knocks it out, millions of other fascists will fall.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Incvizitor

Yes, everything there is based on one illegitimate drug addict; if he knocks it out, millions of other fascists will fall.

Yes, and it is Father Frost who puts presents under the tree...

[Zefr]

Will there be many people willing to take his place?

[Incvizitor]

If the choice is, for example, to be a new drug addicted junta or to die from fab on the front, then it’s full.

[AlexSam]

There's another interest: watching Zelya and his wife lift tons of it, there will always be those willing to do the same, even at the risk of their lives. That's the nation.

[Ballnatrae]

Killing a drug addict is useless, that's true, but carrying out an operation to decapitate the entire system would be very helpful. If we eliminate everyone who makes decisions at the highest level, and those who transmit these decisions to their destinations, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be in chaos for at least several days. But I'm afraid that's too complex an operation for us. Unlike, say, the Mossad, apparently.

[KTM-5]

Most of the real decision-makers are located far beyond the borders of Country-404. Reaching them might be possible. But that would lead to a direct escalation, which our people are doing everything they can to prevent. At least, they're trying.

[Ballnatrae]

It's enough to remove the entire top brass in Ukraine; even then, there will be a significant time lag before they can find replacements. And if they also eliminate the top brass of the army command, from the chiefs of staff to the generals commanding specific sectors, the chaos will intensify exponentially, and the time it takes to eliminate them will increase significantly.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: KTM-5

Well, yeah, of course. We'll kill a drug addict, and the little guys will be like, "Okay, let's go our separate ways, the war is over."
So what?!

No, but the line for his place will begin to actively gnaw.
And in the end, it’s a signal that “Russia does not forgive this.”
Otherwise it looks like "this is possible, it's safe."

[Normann]

How could it be otherwise? There's no air defense, no missile defense, and they couldn't have shot down the bombs anyway, after all, they spent everything on shooting down the daggers. How could they have taken them away from Ukraine with such technology, if even the S-500 isn't guaranteed to be capable, and everyone admits this (the most advanced air defense and missile defense systems, proven).

[Naum_2]

The mention of the S-500 system here evokes a smile. The mobile S-500 Prometheus air defense system is designed to destroy missiles and spacecraft in low-Earth orbit and can eliminate hypersonic targets. The cost of a single S-500 missile is incomparable to even the most expensive unmanned aerial vehicle used in the Air Defense Forces, let alone some "cheap" bombs.

[Normann]

And what's this for?

can eliminate targets flying at hypersonic speeds

Are there any other systems capable of this?
How to measure the value of a human life???
Not everything can be measured in money...

[ALCA056000]

Of course there is! The Pots and Pans constantly claim that the Daggers are being devalued. Maybe the money in cans? No? Hey, ukrainians, explain this...

[invisible_man]

When did human life ever mean anything to us? In this war, not a single general was held accountable for excessive and unjustified losses. If they were dismissed, it wasn't for companies and battalions wiped out, but for "lack of results" (and, consequently, for false reports about the capture of civilians. Incidentally, the situation is still the same).

[topol717]

Quote from invisible_man

When did human life mean anything to us?

Where does it mean anything? In the fantasies of young people?

Quote from invisible_man

In this war, not a single general has ever been held responsible for excessive and unjustified losses.

Generals are trained primarily in politics, that is, to make wise promises and explain away their failures. It follows that only a complete ignoramus could bear responsibility. A good general should be no different from an effective manager; otherwise, he wouldn't be a good one.

[invisible_man]

Where does it mean anything? In the fantasies of young people?

For example, in the United States, which always strives to accomplish combat missions with minimal losses. And if serious losses are predicted to be unavoidable, they resort to proxy measures.

[topol717]

Quote from invisible_man

For example, in the USA.

Is that why the US has the most drug addicts in the world?

Who always strive to solve combat missions with minimal losses.

You've somehow confused reality and Hollywood. But generally, all generals strive for this.

[invisible_man]

Quote from: topol717

You somehow confused reality and Hollywood.

Maduro would categorically disagree with you :)

[Ivan№One]

Well, maybe they should have just blown up one bunker at a time. Wasn't the address in Kyiv known?
Hit the head, the rest will fall off (popular proverb)

The life expectancy of a Ukrainian infantryman in the front lines where Russian Su-34 frontline bombers operate does not exceed 4 hours, while losses of Ukrainian Armed Forces formations reach 80-90

So if each A Ukrainian infantryman dies (precisely dies, if you believe what is written) within 4 hours, but why are the losses 80-90%, and not 100%?
The magazine, behind the beautiful phrases for its readers, has somewhat missed the point, it seems to me.

[Tagan]

So, if every Ukrainian infantryman dies (precisely dies, if you believe what is written) within 4 hours, why are the losses 80-90%, and not 100%?

The rest are deserters. But that's not certain.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The more of them die, the better. Personally, I'm sick of the mantras about "brotherly people."

[NordOst16]

Israel didn't succeed, even though they tried very hard.

[Ivan№One]

Hasan Nasrallah would disagree with you

[NordOst16]

And Ali Khamenei would no longer agree with you.

[Ivan№One]

Mohammad Bagheri and Hossein Salami may send him their regards

[KTM-5]

And how did this help Israel? Hamas and Hezbollah haven't gone anywhere and continue to pounce on the kosher from time to time.

[Ivan№One]

Hezbollah seems to be no longer particularly prominent.
How is Iran doing now?

[KTM-5]

Judging by the BBC's calls for Trump to bomb Iran again, the Persians are doing just fine. Conclusions have been drawn. The military-industrial complex is churning out the most successful missile models that have breached the rusty dome. And when they fly, the kosher ones will be in for a rough ride.

[Ivan№One]

Yeah, judging by the news from there, they're doing great.

[Glagol1]

When the ruble fell more than threefold in a month in August-September 1998, the people who suffered from it, of course, thought, "It's okay, we'll get through this, the main thing is not to rock the boat." But the Persians have thinner skin, the exchange rate jumped—and immediately they were thrown into the streets... And they fight the same way.

[NordOst16]

And this led to... but led to nothing. Because the command structure remained strong enough to support missile strikes on Israel, and judging by the ceasefire, the strikes were quite painful.
This does not negate the effectiveness of the Israeli side's work, but the elimination of the command staff alone is not enough to break the resistance of the enemy's armed forces.

[KTM-5]

Exactly! Such a policy didn't work against savages in slippers. And it certainly won't work against savages with forelocks, backed by the White Lord. Uncle Sam will simply replace the dispossessed native chieftains with new ones, and that's it.

[NordOst16]

Well, maybe it would work. But only as one element. Something like: the removal of the top military and political leadership, massive attacks on military, energy, and industrial facilities, and a large-scale ground operation. And all this with the support of modern space and aerial reconnaissance, air dominance, and some kind of blockade.

I have no doubt that Israel, during its operation against Israel and the recent US operation in Venezuela, demonstrated a high level of intelligence and operational preparation. During the operation, we witnessed high-quality troop command and control, as well as the technical equipment of the troops. I believe this is something we should strive for as much as possible given Russia's conditions (funding, technology, science, and personnel).
But if we recall the Israeli-Iranian case, the brilliant operation didn't lead to the disorganization of the Iranian military, and it was able to respond in a way that made Israel feel bad. Under current conditions, it seems to me that to defeat a major state that is prepared for battle and receiving external support (like Ukraine or Iran), in addition to everything I listed at the beginning of my comment, it is necessary to use nuclear weapons to guarantee the destruction of all strong or large targets. And this, I hope, will remain taboo for now.

[KTM-5]

Quote: Ivan№One

Hit the head, the rest will fall off (popular proverb)

This hydra's head is far from Kyiv. And, alas, we can't attack London.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Ivan№One

Well, maybe they should have just blown up one bunker at a time. Wasn't the address in Kyiv known?

These days, the S-34s fly around without a care. But "back in the day," Ukraine still had about 300 S-300P launchers (that's about 50 systems) with ammunition, and a hell of a lot of air defenses, from S-300Vs and Buks to Shiloks. Plus a fair number of Patriots. And a "three-liter" that can penetrate a bunker needs to be dropped at more than 20 meters in altitude to gain kinetic energy. At an altitude of several kilometers, an aircraft would attract all the air defenses in the vicinity.

[snow mountain]

A bomb for every horse!

[agoran]

Every CAB is justified.
No need for green.
It's not my idea, but I agree.
Why run after the monkeys when they are supplied in commercial quantities to the LBS?
The more we destroy now, the fewer problems there will be in the future.

[Incvizitor]

After "America is with us" there is no one to justify themselves to; it is rather deserved.

[bubalik]

Currently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lack the capability to shoot down aerial bombs, and their use results in the largest losses of manpower for the Ukrainian army.

Little by little Ukrainians They found the necessary interference against the UMPK, and where they found it, the accuracy of the UMPK's hits was significantly reduced.
At the moment, these aren't widespread, but isolated incidents. That is, in certain areas, there's no interference at all, and the bombs are landing accurately, but there are places where the UMPK missiles miss.
Experience shows that the enemy knows what electronic warfare systems are effective against the UMPK, but they have little of it. Therefore, they are forced to maneuver. For example, where the Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR), helicopter landings, and other such paraphernalia are present, electronic warfare is practically guaranteed to be of the highest standard.

You can actually judge the situation for yourself by the latest failure to get OK footage into the media. There's practically no fresh footage, although the number of crashes hasn't decreased...
https://t.me/bomber_fighter/23870

[ratfly]

"There are practically no fresh shots, although the number of sorties has not decreased..."
There was an article here about how the bombs had been adjusted and were now definitely flying.

[NordOst16]

His words should be divided by two, or even better, by eight. Because he wrote a lot of rather controversial things earlier.

[Sorus]

The number of flights cancelled due to weather has increased. This blogger isn't the ultimate authority on the matter, and pilots have mixed feelings about him.

[dimon642]

With such losses, why didn't they reach Kyiv?

[Ban Zai]

Holy, holy, you will be called a panicker, there are such people here on the forum and there are many of them, I dare to assume their children will never go on a frontal attack

[maximkrivihin]

Because you're not there. But instead of going out and showing how it should be done, you just sit on the couch and demand quick victories.

[dimon642]

Yeah, I'm sitting on the couch and watching. And you guys are probably running around the forest belt with an anti-tank mine.

[maximkrivihin]

So I'm not throwing out snide remarks or taunts. I've always been touched by these armchair strategists demanding quick victories and nodding, "Look at Zhukov, he reached Berlin in four years." But wouldn't they, now, like in Zhukov's time, go to the front and, regardless of losses, "forward and only forward"? They themselves, of course, aren't ready to see themselves among those losses? Or are they? Or would they work at a machine tool 12 hours a day, seven days a week, for the sake of victory, like in Zhukov's time?
Sitting on the couch, watching, and demanding quick victories doesn't require much intelligence. Just sit and watch silently.

[dimon642]

During Zhukov's time, socialism was being built in the country. We had free healthcare, housing, and education.
Now we have outright feudalism.
And now we don’t have a war, but a military conflict.
And why is it that our hero of Russia Kiriyenko or others like him are not in the trenches?
And why, as you say, during a war, our rich get even richer.
And during Zhukov’s time the country was defended from occupiers, but someone attacked us.
And don't shut me up, people like you won't go to the front, they'll find a cushy spot.

[maximkrivihin]

We still have free healthcare, even as a second-degree disabled person. "Raw feudalism"—how does it manifest itself?
Kiriyenko was awarded a classified presidential decree "for his contribution to the development of the nuclear industry." And what do you care about his titles and awards? Ahhhh. I understand, you're jealous.
[quote]The rich are getting richer[quote][/quote][/quote]
Maybe because they work? If only you worked harder and weren't just jealous, you might even become a little richer.
[quote]And during Zhukov's time, the country was defended from the occupiers, and who attacked us? [quote]
They were preparing to attack us, testing the waters, our tolerance threshold, challenging us. We were forced to initiate the SVO. If February 24, 2022 had not happened, June 22, 1941, would have happened.
And the SVO/war would have started either way, only ours worked ahead of the curve, with more favorable conditions for themselves.
And as for the fact that someone there “will find/would find a cushy job,” no, you shouldn’t judge others by yourself.

[Glagol1]

Kiriyenko in the trenches—that's cool. Gergiev, Sobyanin, as well as talented scientists and top athletes, could also be included. And you, dimon462, for good measure! To ensure victory, and long live War Communism.

[Incvizitor]

There's a book about Warhammer 40k called "Fifteen Hours" which is the average lifespan of a soldier who is used as meat and dies in the millions, so the over-indulged ones have far outdone them.

[pudelartemon]

Well-known blogger FighterBomber, a former Su-34 pilot himself, offers a slightly different take on the UMPK in his post today on his channel. I won't include the text here, as the Military Aviation Department's parameters don't allow it. Those interested can visit his Telegram channel.

[NordOst16]

Quote: pudelartemon

I send those who are interested to his channel in Telegram.

A new euphemism for pedestrian erotica? :)
But seriously, in my opinion, his words should be divided by two, or even better, by eight. Because he wrote a lot of rather controversial things earlier.

[pudelartemon]

But in my opinion, he's a highly qualified blogger who knows what he's talking about. And he's a patriot. His patriotism is confirmed by numerous posts that are quite unflattering to the authorities and the military. It's clear he cares about his country and the army.

[Normann]

So let's read it, why not?

[Normann]

Why the cart? I'm more comfortable here...

[NordOst16]

Quote: pudelartemon

And he's a patriot. And his patriotism is confirmed by numerous posts that are quite unflattering for the authorities and command.

Previously, such people were called "useful idiots" abroad and alarmists at home. But these days, times have become liberal.

Quote: pudelartemon

It is clear that the man is rooting for his country and army.

What's the point of writing this "painful truth"? Who is this information for?
I'm sure 99,9% of his readers are ordinary people who can't influence anything. But his "burning truth" only makes people nervous. If this is being done to milk urgent fundraising, then the actions are understandable, but they have nothing to do with patriotism.

[Sorus]

Yeah, sick. Nikishin recovered at 56, this one faded away in his prime. He's a decent blogger, popular with the masses, but there's a catch.

[Vasyan1971]

The numbers will be "catastrophic."

However, despite this, there is no end in sight to the fighting...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

They don't have the "ability to shoot down," you see. And they don't need it. Better to let them gallop, the shabby Judases. They have experience.

[Broad flag]

Quote: KTM-5

Well, yeah, of course. We'll kill a drug addict, and the little guys will be like, "Okay, let's go our separate ways, the war is over."
So what?!

Of course not, if in 22 the red-haired shaggy Johnson had been killed there then yes.

[Ban Zai]

This type of ammunition has never been considered high-altitude and expensive weaponry, and cannot be highly effective, otherwise the Ukrainian Armed Forces, having long ago abandoned their weapons, or rather their pitiful remnants, would have rushed to the Polish border.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

According to Ukrainian soldiers themselves, in those areas of the front where Su-34s appear, losses reach 80-90%, and the life expectancy of soldiers does not exceed 4 hours.

I really want to believe that this is true.

But why then, with such losses, are the Ukrainian Armed Forces able to hold the front and why is every 100 meters of advance achieved with such labor and blood?!

[P]

The Su-34 makes absolutely no sense in the current situation, and those who commissioned it knew this perfectly well. The Su-35 will perform the task better because it doesn't carry a second unnecessary crew member, the dead weight of armor, and has a properly functioning radar that can detect the enemy or missile and engage it. But a specialized radar for ground attack or post-launch munitions management are unnecessary in real warfare; catching Papuans in the desert doesn't count.

[Zaurbek]

What's most important here is improving the RC system for bomb guidance with the UMPK. For more widespread use, targets need to be quickly identified, classified, and transmitted to the Su-34... and the faster this happens, the better. Maximum efficiency is needed if they're on airborne alert.
Modern Western aircraft can use their AFAs to find and identify targets and strike them themselves.