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Australian Defense Ministry confirms intention to purchase F-100 Fighter X-NUMX Fighter X-NUMX from the USA

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The Australian Department of Defense announced its intention to acquire all 100 units previously planned for the purchase of fifth-generation F-35 fighter Lightning-2 from Lockheed Martin.


According to Reuters, citing a statement by Secretary of Defense Stephen Smith, the Australian Air Force will soon order a second batch of F-35 Lightning 2, in addition to the acquisition of 2011 aircraft approved in 14.

In addition, according to him, in the near future the conversion of the 12 from the F / A-24 Super Hornet 18 fighters acquired earlier to the EW version of the EA-18G will be completed.

According to the schedule, the first two of the Australian F-14 35 must be manufactured and tested in the US in the 2014-2015.

In just a few batches, 75 aircraft will be ordered (three squadrons), the first of which will be introduced into the Australian Air Force in 2020 year.

The mixed fleet of F / A-18 / EA-18G and F-35 will be operated for at least the 2030 year.

After this date, the X-NUMX F-25 will be purchased to replace the Super Hornet aircraft that have developed a service life. As a result, the total number of F-35 fighters purchased will be 35 units.
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  1. dmitreach
    dmitreach 5 May 2013 15: 06 New
    +9
    OmeriGunSSy have found a way to convince and guarantee a voluntary-compulsory service?
    1. Russian
      Russian 5 May 2013 15: 33 New
      -2
      Everyone refuses, but they increase purchases) Well, we will only be better off, fewer vultures will reach the next country, in which they will impose democracy!
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 5 May 2013 15: 42 New
        +2
        fewer vultures will fly

        Judging by the constant reports over the past couple of years, I would say: if they rise into the sky ... laughing
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 5 May 2013 18: 23 New
          12
          In vain irony. Such projects usually give a huge leap in technology to the developing country.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 5 May 2013 18: 43 New
            +6
            Quote: Pimply
            In vain irony. Such projects usually give a huge leap in technology to the developing country.

            The main thing is that this leap was very expensive and not very effective.
            1. Misha
              Misha 6 May 2013 04: 08 New
              +5
              Quote: Alexej
              The main thing is that this leap was very expensive and not very effective.

              Yes Yes! Especially expensive (!!!!!), and very effective (!!!!) preparing for the Sochi Winter Olympics !!!!!!!!!
          2. SSR
            SSR 5 May 2013 22: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            In vain irony. Such projects usually give a huge leap in technology to the developing country.

            That's what you are "pretty." Most of your posts have a grain.
          3. dmitreach
            dmitreach 6 May 2013 03: 33 New
            -5
            Pimply, sure, not a problem. But here the ball is ruled by specialists from another school. Unit cost / efficiency / operation is not about this plane. another question is Hornet / Navy / Air Force, there is still something to recognize. But Pingivn .... Dismiss. At the moment, the only thing he really proved is miscalculations, in costs. In the flesh to the brake hook. If we say that: a negative experience is a path “through thorns to the stars”, then we, as if not at the dawn of the era of aviation ... Already, we could have mastered a glider. And dviglo debug BEFORE the series. I understand if the question only to "windows" was ... (just kidding, I'm talking about the brains of the plane) In fact, so far he is aiming to acquire F-117 laurelsNighthawk ... (the same Night will become, to justify stealth wassat )
        2. Misha
          Misha 6 May 2013 03: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: dmitreach
          Judging by the constant reports over the past couple of years, I would say: if they rise into the sky ...

          respected! over the past couple of years, even less than a year and a half, 38 F-35s have risen into the sky! And how many did the notorious PAK FA rise into the sky?
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 6 May 2013 19: 38 New
            -1
            respected! And why is this a stupid comparison? Recall years of work on NIKOR of both machines, or didn’t Google ban you? Or, in your reality, Texas fought for independence from Omerigi in the early 90's?
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 5 May 2013 16: 47 New
        10
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Everyone refuses, but they increase purchases) Well, we will only be better off, fewer vultures will reach the next country, in which they will impose democracy!


        Well, do not buy them the Su35, in fact. What Uncle Sam said, they’ll buy it.
        1. Explore
          Explore 5 May 2013 23: 42 New
          -2
          The most interesting thing - most of all the crap on the F-35 is poured precisely from the pages of the Australian press, and their military analysts broadcast about the wretched American coffin, completely losing to the Russian Su-35S. And nevertheless bought. Why then raised the hype?
        2. RUSSIA 2013
          RUSSIA 2013 6 May 2013 00: 11 New
          -2
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          Everyone refuses, but they increase purchases) Well, we will only be better off, fewer vultures will reach the next country, in which they will impose democracy!


          Well, do not buy them the Su35, in fact. What Uncle Sam said, they’ll buy it.

          our drying, this is a terrible dream for the United States, and our new 5th generation fighter is an ASIN PIT FOR VOMPIRE.
          1. RUSSIA 2013
            RUSSIA 2013 6 May 2013 01: 07 New
            -1
            mind you, the United States specifically wrote in small print.
        3. Misha
          Misha 6 May 2013 04: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
          Everyone refuses, but they increase purchases) Well, we will only be better off, fewer vultures will reach the next country, in which they will impose democracy!


          Well, do not buy them the Su35, in fact. What Uncle Sam said, they’ll buy it.

          Respected! With such a fright, Australia will start buying your "drying" and "twinky"? Uncle Sam’s word has nothing to do with it! Australia has been buying weapons for centuries in the United States, from its mother, Britain, from France ...
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 5 May 2013 18: 22 New
        +7
        Yes, no one really refuses. Everyone is waiting for the outcome. And he will be. The plane is made within the limits of modern technologies. For this reason, this jump is taking place with tests and deadlines.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 5 May 2013 22: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          The plane is made within the limits of modern technologies.

          More advanced technology than the F-22?
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      4. Misha
        Misha 6 May 2013 03: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Everyone refuses, but they increase purchases)

        Who refuses? List of refuseniks in the studio!
    2. avt
      avt 5 May 2013 15: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: dmitreach
      OmeriGunSSy have found a way to convince and guarantee a voluntary-compulsory service?

      In a sense, yes. They are not just buying a plane, they are buying a system with all its components, including maintenance. In general, they are tightly attached to amers.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 5 May 2013 18: 24 New
        12
        If you do not know Australia - one of the developers
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 5 May 2013 19: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          If you do not know Australia - one of the developers

          Probably the Australian share in the development is aimed at adapting to its own air force
      2. dmitreach
        dmitreach 6 May 2013 03: 35 New
        +2
        avt,
        In a sense, yes.
        oh. I would like to quote:
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    3. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 5 May 2013 16: 02 New
      +2
      In Australia, they also know how to roll and saw, whose not only kangaroos are bred but also their own citizens bully
      1. opkozak
        opkozak 5 May 2013 17: 00 New
        19
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  2. gregor6549
    gregor6549 5 May 2013 15: 08 New
    11
    And where will Australia go if it, along with other countries, has contracted to finance the creation of F35 from the very beginning ?. Here you don’t want it, but keep the style, otherwise you can ask harder for such expenses without any visible result than they asked from Serdyukov and Co.
    1. Vashestambid
      Vashestambid 5 May 2013 15: 27 New
      -32
      The fighter is wonderful, so the Australians have something to be proud of !! drinks

      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 5 May 2013 15: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: VashEstambid
        Wonderful fighter

        From the words NOTICE and KILL, which threatens this golden coffin.
      2. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 5 May 2013 16: 03 New
        -1
        Yeah, you can only fly it only in clear warm weather and that’s all.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 5 May 2013 16: 18 New
          +8
          Quote: cth; fyn
          it’s only possible to fly on it in clear warm weather
          Well, it’s suitable for Australia, it’s a bit hot and a bit dry, and during rains the planes go for prevention, the pilots go on vacation. The only, in my opinion, the Australian version should have a shortened take-off type "kangaroo jump" - such a F-35KENGOO laughing
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 5 May 2013 21: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: Kaa
            The only, in my opinion, the Australian version should have a short take-off type "kangaroo jump" - such a F-35KENGOO

            Or, as another Australian option, it should have a sharp climb on the type of "penguin exit to the feeder", such a F-35Penguin. laughing I watched this spectacle on the island of Phillip - impressive.
      3. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 5 May 2013 16: 51 New
        +2
        The fighter is wonderful, so the Australians have something to be proud of !! You are an American .... (read your comments) what are you doing on this site ?.
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 5 May 2013 18: 04 New
          0
          Dear, you simply did not understand "The fighter is wonderful, so the Australians have something to be proud of !!" - it's just a humorous banter, so you shouldn’t have attacked a person laughing
          1. Reasonable, 2,3
            Reasonable, 2,3 5 May 2013 21: 44 New
            0
            And you read his comments.
      4. Old skeptic
        Old skeptic 5 May 2013 16: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: VashEstambid
        A wonderful fighter,


        Right And not yet knocked down.

        Born to crawl, cannot fall.
      5. Gemar
        Gemar 5 May 2013 17: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: VashEstambid
        .rosia would not hurt to develop such an aircraft or directly purchase this, supporting the F-35 program !!

        Oh, leave it! We’d better wait until Senegal starts selling 6th generation ++ planes and buy them! fellow
        Although no, not so ... no We will buy 3 F-35s to "evaluate" their combat capabilities and impossibilities. Then we’ll sell it to China - we’ll kill two eggs with one shot ... uh ... HARE! Zaitsev, of course, I'm sorry! hi We support the United States with their F-35 Pinguin-II and set China on the false path of development of their combat aircraft! drinks
        Quiz question:
        Who has betrayed the greatest stupidity now, you or the Ministry of Defense of Australia, who was going to buy a 5th generation Penguin without super-maneuverability, cruising super-sound ... and without everything that is prefixed with a super-price?
        1. zennon
          zennon 5 May 2013 19: 45 New
          +1
          Yes, the characteristics are not brilliant. But how amers can sell expensive bullshit! It's just parasitic.
      6. fokino1980
        fokino1980 5 May 2013 17: 17 New
        +3
        Yes, no one is against !!! Let them be proud of the "flying ax" is still not a boomerang. The descendants of the convicts bought "a pig in a poke" from other descendants of indigenous genocide specialists. Come in handy wink
      7. luka095
        luka095 5 May 2013 18: 56 New
        0
        And why should Russia support the US military-industrial complex?
        In Russia, you need to bring to mind your developments, for example, the T-50.
      8. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 5 May 2013 23: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: VashEstambid
        The fighter is wonderful, so the Australians have something to be proud of !! drinks

        Indeed, it was not in vain that he was nicknamed the "Hangar Dominator" and the "Thunderstorm of the Motorways"!
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 5 May 2013 16: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: gregor6549
      And where will Australia go if it, along with other countries, has contracted to finance the creation of F35 from the very beginning ?. Here you don’t want it, but keep the style, otherwise you can ask harder for such expenses without any visible result than they asked from Serdyukov and Co.

      Lockheed Martin and its partners hold a huge PR company to promote the F-35 and Americans are able to promote their goods in all available ways.
      Somewhere like that
      The smile on the face of the test pilot as he completed a successful vertical landing of Britain's newest generation of fighter jets said it all. “This is simply a phenomenal flying machine.”
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 5 May 2013 18: 41 New
        +8
        The banter of the unsubscribes, of course, is ridiculous, and the F-35, obviously, is not worth the money for which it is sold. Kosyakov has it, too, in order, but: this aircraft, undoubtedly, is up-to-date, with a bunch of innovations, maybe not as revolutionary as it is positioned, but still. Another thing is worrying, zadripilnaya Australia orders 100 pieces of these aircraft, and we are our newest? Now compare the points of tension between ours and the Australians ... what Sadly.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 5 May 2013 22: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Another thing is worrying, the shattered Australia orders 100 of these planes,

          Why is Australia crippled? This is a very rich country.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 6 May 2013 00: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Odyssey
            Why is Australia crippled? This is a very rich country.

            Graters with China, apparently they were told that you want to be "protected", pay the loot.
  3. krokodil25
    krokodil25 5 May 2013 15: 12 New
    +4
    Good news; let potential opponents buy buckets negative laughing
  4. tttttt
    tttttt 5 May 2013 15: 13 New
    +6
    Axes, axes! Who are the axes? We buy great axes! We fly in, snapping up! Rub a little thing, two a bunch! fellow laughing
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 5 May 2013 17: 22 New
      20
      Vtyuhali !!! wassat
      1. zennon
        zennon 5 May 2013 19: 54 New
        +1
        How Merkel is dancing, beauty! lol
        1. maxon106
          maxon106 6 May 2013 00: 52 New
          +1
          This is not Merkel, but Clinton is hysterical
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 6 May 2013 10: 59 New
            +3
            - Kirkorov I do not like - all the sugary, powdered like a woman, in a word - Romanian.

            “So he is a Bulgarian!”

            - Yes?! Who cares?
            laughing laughing laughing
  5. WIN969
    WIN969 5 May 2013 15: 29 New
    +4
    USA: A cat in a poke?
    Australia: I have to!
  6. vlad767
    vlad767 5 May 2013 15: 30 New
    +3
    89 "flying boots"? Hmm ... what Not frail, they planned not targeted spending ... smile And where are the cries of the "democratic" media about squandering funds?
  7. andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 May 2013 15: 39 New
    +1
    well, well. they don’t have “Serdyukov” taxis there? or they think that they can somehow cope with Chinese-made SU somehow? about the same quality cars?
  8. mihal74
    mihal74 5 May 2013 15: 45 New
    -1
    .... let them suddenly finalize ....
  9. Day 11
    Day 11 5 May 2013 15: 48 New
    -3
    Yes, really ... That's what the damned amers are afraid of ------- http: //www.youtube.com/watch? Feature = player_embedded & v = cb0ZyGOi
    2ME Let them be afraid !!! Caution, nervous, please do not look!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 5 May 2013 20: 56 New
      0
      Comrade, moderator, remove this post (pzhlst)! All I wanted to say is below
  10. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov 5 May 2013 15: 48 New
    +2
    Australia will arm itself - they are afraid of Indonesia. The largest of the Islamic countries and claims to Australia, - about 2/3 of the territory. You’ll buy anything here, and the States will most likely carry out after-sales service. Pressure on Indonesia, only indirectly, on China.
    1. Petrospek
      Petrospek 5 May 2013 16: 19 New
      +1
      and why did you get that claim?
      1. V. Ushakov
        V. Ushakov 5 May 2013 16: 46 New
        +1
        I was in Australia, talked with the military, looked at maps of the Indonesian issue for 2003. From this and took it.
    2. gregor6549
      gregor6549 5 May 2013 16: 21 New
      +7
      Indonesia is not the biggest headache of the Australian Sun. China, although far away, is causing more concern, because in the event of a conflict with the United States, he, China, may well cut the sea routes from Singapore to Australia, and Singapore today is the main supplier of bezine and diesel fuel to Australia. And Australia is fastened tightly to the States by relevant treaties in the military sphere. So if China and the United States get out of the blue, Australia's wolves nevolens will have to fight on the US side. And for such a war, crocodiles with kangaroos will not be enough, even taking into account the high fighting qualities of a kangaroo. But Indonesia is unlikely to want to poke a horn at such allies. Horn can break off. Moreover, New Zealand will immediately expose its Aboriginal people with war paint and birdies against Indonesia. This bird is terribly dangerous. Small but very gonoshoshny. It pecks nafig.
      And the last thing about. Rumors about the "impotence" of F35 are greatly exaggerated. Yes, there are problems there, especially with the option of vertical take-off and landing, But this option is mainly requested by the US Navy, so let them suffer from it. and most other F35 buyers, including Australia, are quite happy with the normal version of this aircraft. Of course, the timing of its commissioning has already been thwarted, but so far it does not lead to the collapse of the Air Force in any of the countries. They are bypassed by other types, for example, the modernized Ф18, Ф16 and Ф15. And there F35 ripens to condition. Time suffers while a couple of three years does not solve anything.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 May 2013 17: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: gregor6549
        Rumors of "impotence" F35 are greatly exaggerated.

        I fully agree with you here.
        Quote: gregor6549
        Yes, there are problems there, especially with the option of vertical take-off and landing, But this option is mainly requested by the US Navy, so let them suffer from it.

        Well, here the British are still decently interested in vertical lines. There are still problems with the helmet display, but there is a spare simpler, but these are all problems to be solved, all the same, the F-35 will be armed with NATO from about 2020 to 2040.
      2. Aleks21
        Aleks21 5 May 2013 18: 58 New
        0
        I completely agree! (Sory on staging + I have not earned yet)
    3. sanych your division
      sanych your division 5 May 2013 19: 03 New
      0
      Indonesia has long been under the sha tune. another candidate for a regional scarecrow. old amerovskaya scheme. but the main thing is working. look and be afraid. run to us and we will protect everyone. really like reethers in the 90s
      1. V. Ushakov
        V. Ushakov 6 May 2013 05: 27 New
        0
        Indonesia is the largest population and area of ​​the ISLAMIC country. And if Ayatollah comes to power? - Will be the second Iran and the pipe - the end. The armament of Indonesia is not bad. Australia has someone to be afraid of.
  11. albert
    albert 5 May 2013 15: 58 New
    +7
    The whole f-35 epic resembles the story of the F-105 starfighter. There’s a lot of screaming, advertising, saying the most powerful aircraft in the world, but in fact the Americans bought it themselves in a limited batch, and the rest vparival their allies. It was not a plane but a flying coffin . Judging by what they write about the f-35, he may have the same fate.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 5 May 2013 17: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: albert
      the f-35 epic recalls the story of the f-105 starfighter. There’s a lot of screaming, advertising, they say the most powerful aircraft in the world

      A perfectly accurate analogy. lol
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 5 May 2013 18: 04 New
      +4
      Starfighter is F 104, F 105 is Thunderchief.
  12. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 5 May 2013 16: 00 New
    0
    Australia buys the most expensive fighter in the world that is not suitable even for training flights fellow
  13. Day 11
    Day 11 5 May 2013 16: 05 New
    +5
    We look, we envy !!! Let the enemy tremble! We are UNBEATABLE! (approximately such a translation)
    1. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 5 May 2013 19: 29 New
      0
      Interestingly, the DPRK has not fought for sixty years, the iconostasis from the award planks in four rows has been abandoned !!!
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 5 May 2013 21: 11 New
      0
      Yes, what else I wanted to add ------- Over the sea, the raging sea
      Soviet helicopter flies.
      Walks himself in the open
      Happy Korean people!

      The screw rotates quieter and quieter -
      Valuable gasoline is running out.
      And in every moment is heard
      Their exclamation, “Manse Kim Jong-un!” (This, so, by the way), inspired
    3. dld35057
      dld35057 5 May 2013 22: 56 New
      -1
      I am happy for our North Korean comradeships. We, and they, will destroy the world imperialistic nits from the face of the earth - as long as there is North Korea on earth, there is hope for justice in this world.
    4. avkeys
      avkeys 6 May 2013 00: 08 New
      -1
      Syria sold
  14. piotr534
    piotr534 5 May 2013 16: 16 New
    0
    The lack of logic in the actions of the Australians is surprising. They criticized the F-35 to the nines, saying that the SU-35 could easily lose although the older generation announced a refusal to purchase and now consent. Interesting girls are dancing, the amers should specifically put pressure on them. And this ax will never fly as it was intended during its development. Years have been spent on correcting design errors, and things are still there, the person wants to squeeze la at any cost, but the price has already risen. Well, the more they sell this junk the better we are.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 5 May 2013 16: 25 New
      +8
      As for the trash, you probably got excited after all! A very good device is heavier than air. But the question of price is, indeed, it is sky-high!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 5 May 2013 18: 26 New
        +1
        Not really. Given that, in fact, they are developing not one, but three aircraft.
        1. olegff68
          olegff68 5 May 2013 18: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Not really. Given that, in fact, they are developing not one, but three aircraft.

          As well as the development of advanced, innovative methods of production and assembly.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 5 May 2013 21: 36 New
            +3
            That's it. Therefore, to look at all these joyful waving flags "f35 sucks and drank" is both funny and sad.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 5 May 2013 18: 26 New
      0
      Can you imagine who criticized and for what reasons, and for what?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 5 May 2013 18: 33 New
        0
        Yes, here, once again, everything is clear, beat the loot
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 5 May 2013 19: 32 New
        +5
        Eugene, here YOU seem to be an adequate person. Honestly, I don’t love your nation (and who loves it?). Nevertheless, say: Why are you destroying Assad? After all, he (in my opinion) wants to preserve a secular state. Why are you helping any trash from all over the world? Or is it revenge on Russian people? Try to answer without ideological husk. I try to understand the essence of this problem. You know, we will keep back and we will not hand over our friends! For some reason, Iran and your Hasidim are quite peaceful gets along (that's nonsense!) Isn’t it?
        1. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 5 May 2013 19: 34 New
          -6
          I apologize that it’s not my business that I am wet, but the monarchy is not a secular state.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 5 May 2013 20: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: Scythian 35
            the monarchy is not a secular state.

            Those. Are you trying to argue that neither Holland, nor Britain, nor Sweden, nor Denmark are secular states ??? All enumerate bukaff a lot turns out.
            1. Scythian 35
              Scythian 35 6 May 2013 01: 39 New
              -2
              you did not name more than one absolute monarchy !!!
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 5 May 2013 21: 37 New
            0
            It happens. Like numerous forms of dictatorship.
        2. SSR
          SSR 5 May 2013 22: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Den 11
          Eugene, here you are kind of an adequate person. Honestly, I don’t love your nation (and who loves it?). Nevertheless, say: Why are you destroying Assad?

          I guess.
          "Elite" of the Jewish .... (no words, they don’t care about ordinary Jews, for them they are also a victim to their goals ... in general .. if you think about it .. then it turns out .. that these people are not in vain driven for centuries .. ........... I don’t want to continue .. because the edges are thin .. but there are Jews friends .. I don’t want to "slander" them for nothing.
          PS.
          Ever since the time of alozych, there have been statements by the rabbis that not every Jew they need, and if necessary, for their own purposes.
        3. Rioter
          Rioter 5 May 2013 22: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Den 11
          Eugene, here YOU seem to be an adequate person. Honestly, I don’t love your nation (and who loves it?). Nevertheless, say: Why are you destroying Assad? After all, he (in my opinion) wants to preserve a secular state. Why are you helping any trash from all over the world? Or is it revenge on Russian people? Try to answer without ideological husk. I try to understand the essence of this problem. You know, we will keep back and we will not hand over our friends! For some reason, Iran and your Hasidim are quite peaceful gets along (that's nonsense!) Isn’t it?


          Can I try to answer, instead of Eugene, especially since he left Israel and does not personally destroy Assad. However, you must understand that the world is a complicated thing. For Assad this is a friend and comrade for Russia (albeit a lousy one) For Israel it is a clear evil. For many years he supported Hezbollah and supplied her with missiles - weapons of terror. The north of Israel was constantly bombarded and terrorized. And thanks to Assad for that. Now about the adequacy. Israel is vitally interested in the fall of Assad for a number of reasons. The first and obvious: it is better to meet an evil hare in the forest than a good wolf. Insane gangs are not a problem for the army. Borders on the castle. Small skirmishes are possible, but this cannot be compared to the sleeping threat emanating from the regular Syrian army armed with missiles and WMDs, capable of reaching Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Ao of the second. Salafis are zombies - the creatures of the Saudis, and are ruled by the hand of the monarchy. The next goal has already been declared - Hezbollah (not Israel) And you know why? Because the Saudis are forced to act in the interests of Israel (Not out of great love of course). Because only Israel can solve the problem of Iran, which the Arabian monarchies hate and fear much more than Israel. In this situation, Israel is the Arabians' only hope. Do not worry about Syria. It seems that they agreed with Russia. Russia behaved harshly and bargained for everything it wanted. Turn on the news. Such a powerful blow to Syria, and silence. Neither Lavrov’s formidable statements (later he will make a soft condemnation) nor the hysteria that was the last time. In short, Syria is no longer Russia's vital interest. It was sold, and apparently the proposed price this time satisfied. It is right. For Russia has only one priority - national interests. Israel for a long time did not intervene in the situation in Syria, moving from the position - "Plague on both of your houses." And since it was on the side of the Arabs in this conflict, it means that the Arabs (Arabians) offered an affordable price. Namely - WORLD. Progress towards a true WORLD, with trade relations, technology exports and political dialogue. peace with the Arabs is the most coveted reward and prize for Israel above which there is no. (Do not forget in this Persian-Arab confrontation, Syria is opposed to the entire consolidated Arab world represented by the League of Arab States. This is a sober and correct step by Israel. It is worth it to intervene. Moreover, how amusing. The League even condemned Israeli aggression (although the condemnation sounds played tenderly). But you are a big boy. The LAS nevertheless first put forward real demands for peace, and declared readiness to move closer. Peace with the whole Arab world and the fall of the vile sworn enemy - the ruling house of Assad. Moreover, the destruction of Hezbollah by hand is possible jihadists So what is not clear?
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 5 May 2013 23: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Rioter
            So what is not clear?

            Quote: Rioter
            Salafis are zombies - the creatures of the Saudis, and are ruled by the hand of the monarchy. The next target has already been declared - Hezbollah (not Israel)
            From your extremely frank article yesterday, I’m assuming that having figured out Hezbollah, zombies will be torn to pieces in Iran. The question arises: where do the sheikhs of their wards go after they deal with Iran? Many people say that they will simply dissolve them in the Caucasus and in Middle Asia. home? Question without sublets, really want to understand.
            1. Rioter
              Rioter 5 May 2013 23: 31 New
              -2
              Everything is simple and commonplace. if you take a sober look, you will find that Russia is not the enemy of America. And America has no interest in blaming Russia. Russia is developing smoothly, but not explosively. Fulfills all obligations undertaken. Exports oil and does not threaten American hegimony. In reality, the Russia-USA confrontation is a game. What is not a game and what threatens US hegemony is China. And the answer to where the Salafis will be sent is simple and banal. They will direct to tear to pieces the closest ally and fortress of China, the window of China to the Middle East - Pakistan. But dealing with packs is difficult. They will need to be torn so as to gently grab the nuclear weapon falling out of the hands. This is a difficult task. I don’t know how the intelligence community will decide it. But apparently they have considerations. This can also be gently understood from the turn that the United States made from Pakistan to India. (Or rather they just mix it up, because now Afghanistan is still relevant and the packs are needed, but they are more naughty, more and more subject to the influence of China, and very soon this friendship between the USA and Pakistan will come to a final end. And think about the fact that it’s not terrorists, and sucked from the Caucasus to other regions.
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 5 May 2013 23: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Rioter
                Russia is not the enemy of America. And America has no interest in blaming Russia.
                But will there be a conflict of interests between the USA and the Russian Federation in the vast expanses of the former USSR? The position of Russia can be seen to maintain influence in the countries of Middle Asia and not to lose in the Caucasus. A loud statement by Hilary: "There is a movement towards re-Sovietization of the region, - leads Clinton’s words, “The Financial Times.” - It won’t be called that. It will be called the Customs Union, it will be called the Eurasian Union and everything like that. Let's not be mistaken about this. We know what the goal is, and we are trying to develop effective ways to slow it down or prevent it, "said the head of the US Foreign Office. *************************** Something soothing Your statements look.
                1. Rioter
                  Rioter 6 May 2013 00: 13 New
                  0
                  Do not look at the words. Look at business. The United States is not averse to strangling somewhere too fast a tentacle of Moscow’s Moscow, if it’s not very expensive and does not draw a lot of resources. But the American elite is a very cynical and cold people. And look at business. The United States is clearly relocating to the Asia-Pacific region. And so that they do not chat to avert their eyes or out of love for sophistry, but the main goal is CHINA. If I want to slam you into a pogdy, I’ll say that I’m swinging to fight with your neighbor, and not with you. Even if everything is obvious to you. You, too, will pretend that you believed (even knowing that I won’t believe what you believed) and begin to prepare accordingly. China is doing this. All the signs of his hidden mobilization and urgent modernization of the armed forces are evident.
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 00: 48 New
                    +1
                    Does this mean that talks about a strategic partnership between China and the Russian Federation are also a screen? Agree, this partnership has great prospects. We have something to do, starting from the wealth of Siberia and the Far East, joint development of the Arctic, and in the field of high technology, there is a wide field for cooperation.
                    Quote: Rioter
                    . And look at business. The United States is clearly relocating to the Asia-Pacific region.
                    I don’t know where they are being relocated, but the fact that the Caliphate is “pecking”, as they say, in the soft underbelly of Russia, all the signs are on the face. + Not stifled radicals within the country and possible risks of a federal structure within Russia, Yes, one uncertain status of the Caspian Sea is worth . I believe that the Russian Federation rests on Syria, not only because of economic profit.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 6 May 2013 01: 00 New
                      -3
                      Strategic partnership between shark and tuna? Funny
                      1. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 01: 10 New
                        +1
                        For "you" yes. They hung a cliche and you can be satisfied. But American strategists are not so categorical in hanging labels.
                      2. Rioter
                        Rioter 6 May 2013 01: 25 New
                        +2
                        I do not think that the Partnership between Russia and China is a screen. But the United States will drive a wedge. Not out of malice to Russia, but to deprive China of cheap resources. But Russia is not the first goal. Amer very concentrated on the goal of the people. Now the forces are limited and they will focus on China. Therefore, for the time being, They will not hit the customs union. (If China does not request there. And if it is requested now, then it cannot be allowed in yet, because it is too large economically and will gobble up the alliance within the alliance. Forks. But in the future, if the Customs Union with Russia at the head grows stronger and begins to pose a threat, then and aim. Although there is a threat to Russia. But not the Caliphate in the Middle East, but the Talibanization of Central Asia. And when the boulevard begins in Central Asia, here we will need to stand back to back with Kazakhstan and hold the iron defense. But these are my thoughts. In fact, I don’t have such a clear balance of power, groupings and players in Central Asia, so I don’t have confidence in the correctness of the above.
        4. Day 11
          Day 11 5 May 2013 23: 25 New
          +3
          Everything is clear. Not only one thing is clear, how to be with my Christian friends (Orthodox) from Damascus. How to deal with them? Give this trash collected from around the world to hell? Fuck you !!! They will fight !!!!! And in Russia, believe me, there are many people who are ready to go there to protect friends, relatives, co-religionists ...
          1. Rioter
            Rioter 5 May 2013 23: 37 New
            0
            Yes, people just n **** c as sorry. Ordinary people. And Christians and ordinary Sunites and simple Alawites, doctors, tsetse traders. But put yourself in the place of Israel? How to help ordinary people? Maybe this was a small fad in trade regarding Syria. (I don’t know, but I want to think so) That Russia has received guarantees of presence in Syria without Assad and participation in new infrastructure and business projects that will serve the cause of rebuilding the country and prosperity. and as soon as Assad falls and the newly arrived Salafis disappear, they will urgently be moved to a new goal. time is gone, a complete time-lapse of notes. Assad will not, and everything will end the next day. It will be the first peaceful morning. And what Russia bargained for is obviously not known to me. We will see it. One thing is clear, this time the bargaining was serious, and Russia refused to sacrifice its interests just like that, declaring an iron stand. And apparently from hopelessness, "they" had to agree to all the conditions of the Russian Federation.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 5 May 2013 23: 50 New
              +2
              Are you so naive? Yes, the day after the fall of the Assad government --- Damascus will wash himself with blood !!! Hitler will seem like a little naughty kid! What have you achieved in Libya? --- only the blood of ordinary people!
              1. Rioter
                Rioter 5 May 2013 23: 58 New
                0
                I ask you not to ask the question "What have you achieved?" I did not achieve anything, I am a bystander, the same as you, out of simple interest sorting out this puzzle solitaire. In Libya, the trumpet business. But Libya was torn to pieces at the same time. She was neither the first goal nor the last. And she did not participate in the geopolitical situation (Although there is some interest in robbing the country and shaking Libyan oil, it’s not at all a goal) Gaddafi fell under the hand because he was the personal and blood enemy of the Emir of Qatar Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani. Gaddafi, in his usual laid-back and witty manner, had the imprudence to joke and humiliate Emir publicly at LAS meetings. The emir gritted his teeth and prepared his revenge for a long time. In addition, if you remember, we started from Tunisia, and not from Libya. he is also out of the way. But it was necessary to roll back and test the revolutionary technology. Then Libya. This is a personal revenge, plus a convenient base for the crushing of Mubarak in Egypt and dragging Muslim-controlled brothers led by Mursi to power. But Gaddafi could have survived if in due time he hadn’t "lowered" (by the way very witty) the powerful emir of a tiny but influential country.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 6 May 2013 00: 16 New
                  +1
                  Wow, how savvy you are in this matter (I really didn’t know these subtleties). But that doesn’t mean that you need to break the civilizational (secular) life of ordinary people in Syria into Sharia power? Do you agree with me here?
              2. Rioter
                Rioter 6 May 2013 00: 21 New
                0
                When the jihadists break into Damascus, they will take a poke. But they won’t be given much time to relax. He simply is not, of this time. An urgent need to end with Hezbollah. Syria is not Libya. They will certainly be awakened there after all the majahideen leave, but calm down quite quickly. The country's culture is higher, and although there are many contradictions, they are not as brutal as between the tribes in Libya. Severe Shoriat in Syria and not set. Look at Egypt, it doesn’t work. For example, today the secular population in Egypt lynched the unbridled son of a high-ranking Islamist in Egypt. And I said, I don’t know, but I really want to believe that Russia has designated its place in Syria after Assad. And the question "why break?" sometimes when a forest is cut, chips fly. And this forest interfered with a lot of people. He could not be cut down. That the woodcutters would come to Syria was clear when Tunisia was on fire. But Assad did not prepare. Why? I dont know. did not have time, did not have enough resources, or blinked.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 6 May 2013 00: 53 New
                  +2
                  I don’t know why you decided that Assad’s war was lost? In my opinion, not all is lost yet !!! This scum "he" puts in packs a day. Let's see who else will take it !!! It is clear that you still buy this meat for a hundred for a bunch, but the truth is ours. And what is the strength, brother?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 6 May 2013 01: 02 New
                    -1
                    Because it is supported by an extremely limited number of countries, because there are not so many people who can be trained. Because there is a civil war in the country and Assad is gradually losing ground.
                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 6 May 2013 01: 18 New
                      +2
                      No, Eugene, we’ll see who has the Faberge stronger. We have nowhere to retreat from behind ...
                  2. Rioter
                    Rioter 6 May 2013 01: 57 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Den 11
                    you still buy meat a hundred per bunch
                    - My megalomania will happen if you don’t stop giving me such compliments. I am not a senior analyst with the CIA or Massad. I just analyze what is happening from the side, if possible without unnecessary emotions. Assad’s war will be lost when we receive other evidence that Israel and the Arabs have allied with Syria. If this is the case (“If,” note this is still an assumption) then Syria’s kerdyk, because it can not oppose Israel’s military power. (especially in the Air Force component. Neither the Scuds nor the Iskanders (if any) will help. But even if Israel joins the sabotage war and does not launch further air strikes, the war will still be lost. Because the special forces will go there (rather of the selected Bedouins, Druze, and Circassians (they all serve in the IDF) with modern anti-tank systems, and even with the support or coordination of activities with Qatari special forces. Remember how Tripoli fell. (Not the regime, but the capital of Libya. The capital fell before blow from the sky The opposition and the jihadists were already in complete despair, they just didn’t start shooting each other from hopelessness in Benghazi, and suddenly the hop, literally in one night, received the message: “The opposition took Tripoli.” This was the work of the Qatars. finally decided. Gaddafi and the loyalists were still strong, and the Qatari did not want to fight for zombies. It’s one thing to help with a separate assault on the capital, another to lose elite soldiers in the training and preparation of which millions of people invested and each, in multi-day constant battles. Qatar went the other way. He asked Sarko to return part of the money invested in him, so to speak, by a military-political service. And Sarkozy did not refuse the emir. France led the operation. With Syria, the stakes are higher. If Qatar receives the help of Israel, Assad is doomed. Such losses in armored vehicles will begin (there will still be expendable jihodists on the front line) that the army will not be able to continue the offensive. You have to face the truth. If jihadists are reinforced by elite commandos armed with modern ATGM, receiving satellite (or maybe from UAVs) intelligence and operational information from AMAN (Israeli military intelligence) and Mossad, then Assad cannot resist this pressure. In addition, "on the other side" have already realized that the monkeys can not cope. The most talented of the monkeys were selected and trained for many months (Amer instructors) at special bases in Jordan. (in open sources you can find the figure of 2000 thousand. There is no evidence for this figure) This group of trained jihadists is waiting for the go-ahead in Jordan. There is no information yet that they began to be thrown into Syria. Apparently preparing for a consolidated strike. You can drink a beer and emotionally clench your fists for Assad. But if we cast aside emotions, sympathies and soberly assess the balance of power, then everything becomes very sad for Bashar Hafezovich Assad. You need to think about where to evacuate the family.
                  3. Odysseus
                    Odysseus 6 May 2013 02: 40 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Den 11
                    I don’t know why you decided that Assad’s war was lost? In my opinion, not all is lost yet !!! This scum "he" puts in packs a day. Let's see who else will take it !!! It is clear that you still buy this meat for a hundred for a bunch, but the truth is ours. And what is the strength, brother?

                    Don’t worry. Assad’s position is strong enough. Without direct large-scale aggression by NATO and / or Israel, the Sunni rebels will not win the war.
                    Assad is now important not to respond to the provocation and not get involved in a war with Israel.
                    We need to focus on knocking out militants and blocking borders.
              3. Rioter
                Rioter 6 May 2013 00: 41 New
                -1
                And yet, why do I still have some optimism about Syria, despite the fact that Russia has obviously sold it, it is that Russia has negotiated a significant presence in Syria after Assad. otherwise, I just don’t understand why and why for two years they held the position of Stalingrad in Syria and suddenly retreated. If this turns out to be wrong, I will be very puzzled.
  15. olegff68
    olegff68 5 May 2013 18: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: piotr534
    The lack of logic in the actions of Australians is surprising.

    The logic is the simplest - criticizing to the nines, playing on the nerves of LOKhkid, they tried to bring down the price, review contracts, etc., etc.
    1. Scythian 35
      Scythian 35 5 May 2013 19: 32 New
      0
      plus, the Indians are negotiating when buying weapons in Russia such memes with the style of "Say thank you that I flew into this swamp at all."
  16. Odysseus
    Odysseus 5 May 2013 22: 59 New
    0
    Quote: piotr534
    The lack of logic in the actions of the Australians is surprising. They criticized the F-35 to the nines, saying that the SU-35 can easily lose even though the older generation, announced the rejection of the purchase and now the consent.

    There is no lack of logic. Australia is one of the "junior allies" of the United States, that is, it has the right to at least have its own opinion. Some of the Australian analysts and the military believe that if you already buy a 5-generation plane, then the best is F-22 . But Amer F-22 do not sell.
    In this regard, there was informational noise. Some comrades in Australia wanted to promote the United States on the F-22.
  • sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 5 May 2013 16: 19 New
    +5
    It seems that the plane has nothing to do with it. Here politics and finances (huge). Let it fly only in a dream, it doesn’t matter! The main thing is behind business tycoons. They lobby in the government what they need and it imposes on the whole world. Selyavi. Such is life. Limits there is no imagination and greed! So such projects will still be the sea. recourse
  • Sirs
    Sirs 5 May 2013 16: 52 New
    +2
    Well done, you can say they burn bridges for this aircraft so that the program is not curtailed.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 5 May 2013 17: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Sirs
      Well done, you can say they burn bridges for this aircraft so that the program is not curtailed.

      Nobody will curtail the program, everything is already set at the factory for a huge series, they will finish the tests and start riveting very, very quickly.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 May 2013 22: 19 New
        0
        I will add. The Americans announced that they will collect 20 aircraft in month 240 per year
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 5 May 2013 17: 02 New
    +8
    And a couple of kopecks about the plane. It must be remembered that Lockheed won a contract for this plane against Boeing in a fierce competition. And the technical solutions inherent in the design of the F35 are really promising. At the same time, the garter in financing the project of many countries played a cruel joke with the plane, because the pressure of politicians forced the developers to begin flight tests of the raw aircraft, which was not yet ready for such tests. Those. preterm birth is evident. And for preterm birth, you often have to pay for the health of the baby. But on the other hand, these same politicians will not allow the baby to die quietly and will try to keep up with the condition no matter what the cost. And they will hold out. By the way, similar tricks occurred with many samples of weapons and military equipment of the USSR. Recall at least MIG23. After all, it came to the point that serial MIGs were delivered to the military unit in disassembled form, and the mechanics of the military unit together with the crews of the factory workers had to assemble and debug these aircraft under conditions completely unsuitable for this. And all because these aircraft “did very fast” and did so that they could not fly after the factory assembly, in principle. Therefore, the exploiter had no choice but to tackle the development of aircraft at home. And nothing was brought. Where to go. And then in factories put things in order. This "litak" will be brought up. The United States has enough potential for this. And grandmas? What do we count their grandmother? They would have to learn and use theirs properly.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 5 May 2013 17: 07 New
    +4
    This is called multi-echelon marketing!
    The fact that you can’t SELL on your performance characteristics - you can SELL for purchase!
    Australia most likely bought the plane under US pressure. We rescued an ally in a critical situation to save the program!
  • Day 11
    Day 11 5 May 2013 17: 10 New
    +5
    Guys, all happy holidays --- Christ is Risen! Let's not swear and "shit" to throw each other! Still, let's leave this site a place of discussion, not a place of showdown! It doesn’t matter what religions we have, views on life and etc. Something like this. All with the Great Holiday! PS For what minusanuli (DPRK Air Force)? I, after all, only wanted to set the mood!
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 7 May 2013 10: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      Guys, all a happy holiday --- Christ is Risen!

      The truth is Risen! drinks
      Quote: Den 11
      Let's not swear and "shit" throw

      But ..but - not what comes in, but what comes out! I hope you understand the whole "philosophical" essence of the statement! hi
      Quote: Den 11
      No matter what religions we all

      Very important! Just the difference in religion is not a reason to do evil.
  • b_e_l_y_s_h
    b_e_l_y_s_h 5 May 2013 17: 39 New
    +2
    Well done, let them buy trash, and we are the only ones who will really fly on fighters of the 5th generation. What they want, they think about their F-22 and F35 laughing
  • Day 11
    Day 11 5 May 2013 18: 00 New
    +1
    In fact, guys, we’re trying to conjecture something - Sergey-VAF will come --- put everything in order. So that he doesn’t leave this site (there is such information), let's announce a competition for the name of our PACK- 50 (there is such an offer)! Let's do it! Maybe the respected by all of us (without any irony is really a very competent and enlightened person) will stay with us? VAF-stay on this site !!! Without YOU, dear, Sergey (VAF) the site will be uninteresting!
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 6 May 2013 08: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Den 11
      VAF-stay on this site !!! Without YOU, dear, Sergey (VAF) the site will be uninteresting!

      I understand Sergey very well!
      It is impossible to express one’s opinion even literate, when 90% of the site is illiterate shkolota who is infected with URY by patriotism and hatred.
      Which, due to complete illiteracy and the lack of desire to be objective, is only capable of obscuring the advanced developments of albeit hostile countries, BUT ADVANCED!
      I myself am writing less and less here.
      Shkolota wants to read, only what she likes.
      Yes, all adequate people will run away from here.
      hi
      F35 traveling samol.
      Without a hitch, everything is fine and it turns out right away, only for those who don’t do anything.
      ps
      And once again I will say do not consider a strong adversary a moron, this is a direct path to our defeat!
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 5 May 2013 18: 27 New
    +3
    and meanwhile -
    Vesti: an Israeli plane was shot down over Syria, the pilots were captured.
    http://player.rutv.ru/index/iframe/video_cid/82844/sid/vesti/?acc_video_id=50514
    7
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 5 May 2013 21: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Rus2012
      Israeli plane over Syria shot down

      I just dreamed about such news. Where is atalef, what will he say now? More such news.
      By the way, the Jews here are also trying to trick, shelling from adjacent territory. Ushlapki.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 5 May 2013 18: 28 New
    +2
    And also (including the name of our hawk-5), consult with friends, wives, girlfriends, etc.--- with everyone! Nobody will give you money for the name, but ... We Russians have something another that sets us apart from the Yankees. WE are PATRIOTS of our country!
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  • SEM
    SEM 5 May 2013 18: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: VashEstambid
    The fighter is wonderful, so the Australians have something to be proud of !! drinks


    That's when it becomes clear what the praise of this F-35 airplane is in a real battle then it will be possible to draw conclusions, but for now all this is talk and show-offs)))
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 5 May 2013 19: 06 New
    +2
    What did Australia do to them that they want to undermine its economy ??? Or they sell them to know soooo-we sold planes to Australia to Australia, so the kangaroos live there, not in Austria, so what)))))
  • Saraev
    Saraev 5 May 2013 19: 16 New
    +5
    Australians invest in technology, not offshore and UVZ.
  • shtirlits
    shtirlits 5 May 2013 19: 58 New
    -1
    It is always a pleasure to read such news. laughing
  • Ak 12
    Ak 12 5 May 2013 20: 26 New
    +1
    Australian Defense Ministry confirms intention to purchase F-100 Fighter X-NUMX Fighter X-NUMX from the USA

    all their budget shit
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 5 May 2013 20: 41 New
    +2
    Australia impoverishes 1 pc. 110 lemons.
  • Epiphans
    Epiphans 5 May 2013 20: 41 New
    -1
    It looks like this:

    F-35 aircraft is excellent. Yes, it is still problematic, and VTOL finally killed him with LTX - now they are not circus, which is not necessary. BUT the very fact of an attempt to create, and successful whoever clucks whatever, a SINGLE multi-purpose platform with wide capabilities is expensive. The Americans created a really modern aircraft, with the best avionics in the world, excellent radar (AFAR in Russia has not even been mastered on serial numbers yet), stealth. They demanded to combine the incompatible - and so they made the F-35. It’s naive stupidity to beat yourself in the chest and assure that supposedly Sukhoi Design Bureau would do better because it is impossible to do something cooler than Lightning with such conflicting JSF requirements. The United States today is a full-fledged leader in the aerospace industry, as if the haters would not yell. It is a fact.

    Yes, F-35 has childhood diseases, there are also congenital disadvantages in LTH (it’s not trained in circus cobras, but it doesn’t need anywhere except an air show, and those who quote it should pay attention to the Su-35 and F-22) . Nevertheless, this is quite the fifth generation, which no country in the world has not yet mastered. Combine in one platform what was combined in the F-35 was not able to any country in the world. Well, except for Sweden, which initially washed down some kind of JSF program - JAS-Gripen.
    1. Gagarin
      Gagarin 5 May 2013 21: 28 New
      +3
      I wrote some nonsense!
      1. zennon
        zennon 5 May 2013 21: 44 New
        +1
        Absolutely agree!
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 5 May 2013 21: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Epiphanes
      The United States today is a full-fledged leader in the aerospace industry, as if the haters would not yell. It is a fact.

      A leader who cannot send people to the ISS alone and the Russian-made rocket engines of 50 developed a long time ago, uses the roots of f-35 from Yakovlev Design Bureau and Yak-Xnumx. laughing
      Quote: Epiphanes
      To combine in one platform what was combined in F-35 was not able to any country in the world. Well besides Sweden

      And what did they combine that others did not combine? what and swedes laughing Please enlighten separately about the payload, taking into account the range and speed. Amuse us, I will give you a plus sign. laughing
      1. Epiphans
        Epiphans 5 May 2013 22: 16 New
        -2
        Well, at least let's start with the fact that they have been flying F-22s for almost 20 years. They combined primarily stealth with everything else. And he imposes severe restrictions, and of single-engine.
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 5 May 2013 23: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Epiphanes
      It looks like this:

      This large glass building is the Boeing Design Bureau in Moscow.
      Tales about the fact that supposedly in the LM sit entirely Russian people - this is for a younger school come down.
      About LM one thing is for sure, they worked closely with Yakovlev Design Bureau in the 90s
  • DPN
    DPN 5 May 2013 20: 58 New
    0
    They didn’t understand who they were going to fight with, there were only cap-countries, green papers weren’t enough.?
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  • Epiphans
    Epiphans 5 May 2013 21: 31 New
    -3
    Quote: Gagarin
    I wrote some nonsense!

    In the case, what do you say?
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 5 May 2013 22: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Epiphanes
      In the case, what do you say?

      Quote: Epiphanes
      The USA today is a full-fledged leader in the aerospace industry

      And where is the matter?
  • Des10
    Des10 5 May 2013 21: 43 New
    +1
    Why Australia needs 100 5 generation aircraft?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 5 May 2013 21: 49 New
      +1
      Just in case. While the latter will be received, the first will have to be written off. laughing
  • RBXize
    RBXize 5 May 2013 21: 48 New
    +2
    If the Australians have nowhere to go, then let them buy at least 10,000 F-35s. This will only make us better. We will know which country flies on the coffin of the 5th generation with wings
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin 5 May 2013 21: 55 New
    +2
    How will this “fact of an attempt to create, and successful whoever clucks whatever, a ONE multi-purpose platform with wide capabilities is expensive. The Americans created a really modern aircraft, with the best avionics in the world, excellent radar (AFAR in Russia has not even been mastered on serial numbers yet) , stealth. They demanded to combine the incompatible - and so did the F-35. "
    At least it’s possible to fly on business without a hitch. But cackling in the chicken coop is not here! A little to the west.

    “To beat yourself in the chest and to assure that supposedly Sukhoi Design Bureau would make it better is naive stupidity, because it is impossible to do something cooler than Lightning with such conflicting JSF requirements.” It looks like you are banging your chest ?!

    At the end of 90 or at the beginning of 2000 Americans flew in with their stealth, etc., impossible planes. It happened in August on the Day of Aviation R.F. The rain sputtered and they refused to take off on a demonstration flight! Only the French lieutenant colonel took off on a mirage. Honor to him. And the aircraft’s ability to perform incredible somersaults is called maneuverability, not a circus!
  • Epiphans
    Epiphans 5 May 2013 22: 00 New
    -3
    Quote: Gagarin
    You seem to be knocking on your chest yourself ?!

    At the end of 90 or at the beginning of 2000 Americans flew in with their stealth, etc., impossible planes. It happened in August on the Day of Aviation R.F. The rain sputtered and they refused to take off on a demonstration flight! Only the French lieutenant colonel took off on a mirage. Honor to him. And the aircraft’s ability to perform incredible somersaults is called maneuverability, not a circus!


    Clear. Clear. So is there anything in the case? Only specifically. It just looks like you experienced it. PAIN from the fact that the truth hurts my eyes and the F-35 is a great car?

    By "over-maneuverability" - it is impossible to organize it on an airplane with such weight and thrust. I call a circus somersaults at an air show.
    1. Komodo
      Komodo 5 May 2013 22: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Epiphanes
      It just looks from the side as if you experienced PAIN from the fact that the truth hurts your eyes and the F-35 is a great car

      Why are people embarrassed? If he (F-35) is better at something, then soon it will be "better" with the help of several people "in cloaks and daggers" will be on our planes. Not the first time. And when the T-50 goes into the series, the United States will stop building its F-35s. As happened with the F-117, the car is too expensive for the target. And they will be closely engaged in the sixth generation aircraft. Do you know how many of our engineers, scientists, aircraft manufacturers after the collapse of the union in American research institutes, design bureaus are sitting? They do not let him fly. They will send us their designs, paid by the Americans, and send them via Skype. Why do you think our nuclear bomb took off just three years after the American one? The mustache is under control.
      1. Epiphans
        Epiphans 5 May 2013 22: 36 New
        -2
        The USA already has 2 fifth-generation fighters and the patriots do not like it. Tales about the fact that supposedly in the LM sit entirely Russian people - this is for a younger school come down.
        1. Komodo
          Komodo 5 May 2013 22: 56 New
          0
          Quote: Epiphanes
          Tales about the fact that supposedly in the LM sit entirely Russian people - this is for a younger school come down.

          When the secret of a vigorous bomb was stolen, ours were not there at all.
          And it’s easier to take away and put on a solid skeleton easier, cheaper, and faster than inventing it ourselves. Here we are waiting for them to bring this little thing to mind. And we already have a skeleton that is much cooler. It’s faster , more maneuverable, longer range. Other things being equal, this will play a decisive role.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 5 May 2013 23: 01 New
          0
          Here is a link I think will be interesting at your leisure.
          http://www.bendbulletin.com/article/20130505/NEWS0107/130509993/
          And the F-35 is quite a good plane. There is a photo of the simulator.
    2. Curculum
      Curculum 5 May 2013 22: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Epiphanes
      Is the F-35 a great car?

      Of course! (different from others).
    3. Gagarin
      Gagarin 5 May 2013 22: 29 New
      +1
      This is a fact! Referred to weather conditions and did not take off!
      1. Epiphans
        Epiphans 5 May 2013 22: 36 New
        -2
        I already understood. Cool. By the way, not everyone flew at the 100th anniversary of the Air Force. Then there was almost no rain.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 5 May 2013 22: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Epiphanes
          Cool. By the way, not everyone flew at the 100th anniversary of the Air Force. Then there was almost no rain.

          And who did not fly out of the claimed?
          1. Epiphans
            Epiphans 5 May 2013 23: 02 New
            +1
            Due to non-flying weather, reduced performances. The same Swifts worked on a limited program for WWI.
            1. Curculum
              Curculum 5 May 2013 23: 30 New
              -1
              Quote: Epiphanes
              Due to non-flying weather, reduced performances. The same Swifts worked on a limited program for WWI.

              Why troll so thickly? There is a photo report of the Cavalier of the Order of the Red Star, captain of the Air Force reserve Kontorin I.S. http://nacekomie.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5908&start=20
              There is the following:
              "Then they waited a long time for the arrival of Himself ... And they waited."
              "Since the president’s time was very limited, they decided to show him the most interesting, and this is the T-50 and the Russian Knights with the Swifts."
              And the thunderstorm was after the departure of GDP ...
              I recommend reading and watching, very entertaining. hi
              1. Epiphans
                Epiphans 5 May 2013 23: 35 New
                +1
                Well then read then: http://photo-ilius.livejournal.com/17932.html
                1. Curculum
                  Curculum 5 May 2013 23: 50 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Epiphanes
                  Well then read then

                  Bagels wildebeest. Do you even remember what they write to you and what you write?
                  I remind you:
                  Quote: Gagarin
                  This is a fact! Referred to weather conditions and didn’t take off!

                  Quote: Epiphanes
                  By the way, on the 100th anniversary of the Air Force not everyone was flying either. Then there was almost no rain.

                  Quote: Epiphanes
                  The same Swifts worked according to the limited program on PMV

                  Are you lost
                  1. Epiphans
                    Epiphans 6 May 2013 00: 01 New
                    0
                    Wildebeests

                    You have something on the forehead.

                    It was raining - flights were canceled: http://djlapsky.ru/page/2/
                    1. Curculum
                      Curculum 6 May 2013 00: 15 New
                      0
                      Quote: Epiphanes
                      You have something on the forehead.

                      Sure you can? Keep something with you, as the freedom to wave something ends at the borders of another body.
                      Quote: Epiphanes
                      It was raining - the flights were canceled:

                      I quote from your own link:
                      "Part of the flights at the air show in Zhukovsky was canceled due to rain and hail"
                      "True, the organizers had to cancel part of the planned flights."
                      "The program at the air show in Zhukovsky in honor of the 100th anniversary of the Russian Air Force was interrupted by heavy rain with hail."
                      So the organizers canceled or the participants refused?
                      And how does the above compare with yours:
                      Quote: Epiphanes
                      By the way, not everyone flew at the 100th anniversary of the Air Force. Then there was almost no rain.

                      ?
    4. Gagarin
      Gagarin 5 May 2013 22: 41 New
      +3
      If he were the best, I could have gritted my teeth. And so what r ... to admire?
      1. Epiphans
        Epiphans 5 May 2013 23: 00 New
        -1
        So, now you’ll call me a Russian plane with an AFAR, stealth, internal compartments (tested, not mock-ups), and one-engine. About weapons, I will remain silent tactfully. There is no such plane. Well, then why call the F-35 g.m.?
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 5 May 2013 23: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Epiphanes
          So, now you’ll call me a Russian plane with an AFAR, stealth, internal compartments (tested, not mock-ups), and one-engine. About weapons, I will remain silent tactfully. There is no such plane.

          These technologies and equipment are necessary and must operate in the air, and not on the ground. As you can see, some fly, and some are limited in flight.
        2. Gagarin
          Gagarin 5 May 2013 23: 53 New
          +1
          It’s full of articles with comparisons about this f 35. Find and read! Everything is there on the case, as you want. Only pride for this plane you won’t add. It hurts you that there are Migi and Drying! Beautiful, amazing planes! And the whole world, on all air shows lift their heads to see these birds!
          1. Epiphans
            Epiphans 6 May 2013 00: 02 New
            0
            You didn’t say anything specifically. All clear. But in war, not beauty wins, but fighting efficiency.
            1. Gagarin
              Gagarin 6 May 2013 00: 19 New
              +1
              Beauty will save the world! Maybe I heard? And can't beauty be friends with fighting efficiency!
            2. Curculum
              Curculum 6 May 2013 00: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Epiphanes
              But in war, not beauty wins, but fighting efficiency.

              And where are the examples of any victories (not even military ones) of "combat-ready"?
  • avkeys
    avkeys 5 May 2013 22: 55 New
    +3
    Let all the trolls choke http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=gWt1Qf5JirM
  • avkeys
    avkeys 5 May 2013 23: 25 New
    -1
    don’t piss, men, we won’t give up our country without blood
    1. Epiphans
      Epiphans 5 May 2013 23: 27 New
      -3
      Throw the corpses. In Russian.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 5 May 2013 23: 28 New
        0
        And even so. We will win anyway. This is also in Russian.
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 5 May 2013 23: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Epiphanes
        Throw the corpses.

        Definitely, but add: the corpses of enemies! But whose territory is the third question, therefore I recommend: in order not to become the first, do not become the second. The choice is yours.
      3. avkeys
        avkeys 5 May 2013 23: 38 New
        +1
        And I have in general big doubts that you are a man. If you were near now, you could print something
      4. Gagarin
        Gagarin 6 May 2013 00: 12 New
        0
        The corpses of their enemies and throw them!
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 5 May 2013 23: 36 New
    +2
    And there will be more planes in Australia than tanks ...
  • avkeys
    avkeys 5 May 2013 23: 55 New
    0
    We still have soldiers and officers in Russia. And when you get yours, then we'll see. What I doubt very much. My letter is addressed to all the bastards, you will understand
    1. Epiphans
      Epiphans 6 May 2013 00: 03 New
      -1
      "Scum" through O is written, sodomy.
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 6 May 2013 00: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: avkeys
        My letter is addressed to all the bastards, you will understand

        Quote: Epiphanes
        "Scum" through O is written, sodomy.

        One decided ... bully
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          1. Curculum
            Curculum 6 May 2013 00: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Epiphanes
            Come on, crawl under the key, Manya.

            Here are you scribbling from ... Are you not a troll, but an advanced one in kind? belay
            1. Epiphans
              Epiphans 6 May 2013 00: 39 New
              0
              Why are you still here?
              1. Curculum
                Curculum 6 May 2013 00: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Epiphanes
                Why are you still here?

                You had a shortage of “why” in your childhood, and now decided to catch up? Or do you now have a shortage of communication among schonkas?
                Relax and have fun, the questions above are rhetorical.
                Similar types of you "spinning turns a blue ball" for me are not of interest.
      2. avkeys
        avkeys 6 May 2013 00: 46 New
        0
        Actually, I deliberately made a mistake, milking that .... robot. But sometimes ..... you need to insert a word
  • avkeys
    avkeys 6 May 2013 01: 01 New
    0
    To all trolls who want to prove what my number is 89050364719. I will answer everyone
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 6 May 2013 01: 02 New
    +2
    Whatever it was, but the F35 is a 5th generation aircraft with the corresponding avionics - that's why they take it. If something goes wrong, then the service company will respond, i.e. USA. Besides, what else can Australia buy? Our drying with considerable investments in f35 - this is nonsense. So I think no one has ever set anyone up for cancer. F22 they are not given, that’s what they buy. And in case of conflicts, the United States will be with them, and the integration of joint technology is always beneficial.
    Yes, and what do we think of Australia? !!! We need to think about ourselves, about our T50 and its future, maybe about future developments of such a smaller aircraft.
  • avkeys
    avkeys 6 May 2013 02: 12 New
    0
    You hell
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