Battle for Geranium: We need to dramatically increase the survivability of our baseline precision weapons.

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Battle for Geranium: We need to dramatically increase the survivability of our baseline precision weapons.

The other day, the enemy published statistics on the use of Russian high-precision weapons long-range missiles against targets on the territory of Ukraine in 2025, indicating the number of launched and the number of destroyed cruise missiles missiles, ballistic and aeroballistic missiles, as well as kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the Geranium type.

Incidentally, it's impossible not to note how much more difficult it is for the enemy to shoot down our ballistic missiles, which is why it's necessary to pay close attention to both the creation of inexpensive, mass-produced, high-speed ballistic missiles for our armed forces, and to attempts to implement similar programs by current and potential adversaries.



Of course, there's no doubt that the enemy is exaggerating its successes based on the principle of "write more - why feel sorry for them?", and the numbers of Geraniums shot down may well be inflated by a factor of one and a half to two. But it also cannot be denied that a significant portion of our Geranium-family kamikaze UAVs are shot down by the enemy, and there are quite a lot of images of objective enemy control.

The enemy shoots down Geranium-type kamikaze UAVs with machine guns from mobile fire groups (MFGs), helicopters and light aircraft, anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) from Nasams and IRIS-T systems, from Skynex automatic cannons with projectiles that are detonated remotely along the trajectory, and anti-aircraft FPV-drones, and now also the relatively inexpensive APKWS II laser-guided missiles from F-16 fighters.


It's important to make a disclaimer here: our goal isn't to make the Geran family of kamikaze UAVs invulnerable—that's impossible. The primary goal is to maximize the cost of destroying each individual Geran, so that not only Ukraine but also the Western countries that sponsor it, especially the European Union's "fighting cockerels," are left penniless.

We have spoken about this many times before, for example in the article Evolution of Geranium: Stronger, Smarter, More Resilient, but given that this weapon is one of the most effective ways of influencing the enemy's rear infrastructure (since we cannot gain air superiority over its territory), then it would not be a bad idea to talk about the improvement of the kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium family once again, especially since some of the forecasts/assumptions have already been realized, while others are still not implemented, and new inputs also appear over time.

Strike from above


We discussed the issue of using kamikaze UAVs like the Geranium from the highest possible altitude back in May 2023 in the article Climb: new tactics for using the Geran-2 UAV will make it possible to deplete Ukrainian air defense as much as possible.

Information periodically appears that, yes, the Geraniums attack from high altitudes, however, it appears that the majority of kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium family still reach their targets by flying at extremely low altitudes.

Let's assume that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) overstated the number of Geran-type UAVs shot down by one and a half to two times, then it turns out that out of the 47,052 declared in 2025, they intercepted 23,526 – 31,368 Geran-type kamikaze UAVs, which is a very, very large number.

Now, a question for the experts: did Ukraine have enough SAMs to intercept tens of thousands of Geraniums, given that it sometimes takes several SAMs to destroy a single UAV?

The answer will be unequivocal – no.

The average cost of SAMs for Western surface-to-air missile systems (SAMs) is approximately $750 (this doesn't include the monstrously expensive SAMs for Patriot SAMs). This means that the supply of SAMs designed to intercept Geranium missiles alone would cost between $18 billion and $24 billion (!), while total military aid to Ukraine from Western countries in 2025, according to various estimates, would amount to between $32,5 billion and $45 billion.

Thus, if we systematically deploy all kamikaze UAVs of the Geran family to high altitudes – above 4000-5000 meters, where they are guaranteed to be incapable of being hit by mobile task forces, and where hunting them from transport and combat helicopters, light aircraft, and FPV interceptors will be difficult, then Ukraine will either have to patiently endure the strikes carried out by our long-range kamikaze UAVs, or use up all its SAM reserves. (and then you'll still have to endure all the subsequent blows).

If this requires reducing the warhead weight or range, or boosting the engine, for example by installing a turbine or a mechanical supercharger, then this will be a perfectly acceptable price – it is better to have three Geran missiles with a 30 kg warhead reach their target than one with a 50 kg warhead.


It's worth paying attention to incendiary warheads - despite their smaller mass, they are capable of causing enormous damage - we have already discussed this in the material Incendiary warheads for kamikaze UAVs of all types: an objective need of the SVO.

Countering electronic warfare


The author has another version of why the kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium family remain at low altitudes - presumably, at high altitudes the influence of electronic warfare systems is much stronger (EW) on the receiving antennas of satellite navigation equipment, since when flying at low altitudes, a significant portion of the radiation is shielded by the terrain.

Well, a possible solution would be to deploy Geraniums at high altitudes in groups, with all the vehicles interconnected by a single mesh network. Such a spatially distributed antenna would be far better at filtering out jamming signals coming from the ground than any antenna, even the most sophisticated, on a single kamikaze UAV like the Geranium. This means it's time to move on to swarm tactics.


The 16-channel Kometa-M antenna is listed on a Ukrainian classifieds website.

Additionally, the swarm may include several Gerbera-type UAVs, whose design must be optimized to reduce all types of signature—radar, thermal, acoustic, and visual. The Gerbera drones should fly at low altitudes alongside the main group of Geranium kamikaze UAVs flying at higher altitudes, forming another pole of the spatially distributed satellite navigation antenna.

Of course, the enemy will be able to shoot down the Gerberas with the same MTF machine guns and FPV interceptors, but this will be more difficult, since these drones themselves are smaller, their visibility will be reduced, and as part of a swarm, it is quite possible to launch 4-8 Gerberas, flying in a broken formation at a distance of 300-500 meters from each other - some will get through.

The enemy will likely try to jam the mesh network as well—but will they be able to? Ten-watt transmitters, frequency hopping, and possibly optical communications, at least for those UAVs flying at high altitudes. The swarm could also include several leading Geraniums with feedback modems, through which the entire group could be coordinated.

Accordingly, the tactics of using a swarm should not involve a “spread-fingered” strike on a multitude of objects, but a “punch” after which nothing remains of the selected target or group of targets.

Take cover and dodge


Certain work to reduce visibility is apparently being carried out; at least the Geraniums have turned black.

It can be assumed that the main contributors to the visibility of the Geranium family of kamikaze UAVs are the thermal radiation from the operating piston engine and the reflection of radio waves from the rapidly rotating pusher propeller. Potentially, both problems could be mitigated by enclosing the engines and propeller in an annular ducted impeller fairing, better known by the Eurocopter brand name Fenestron.

Of course, its impact on the UAV's aerodynamics and range must be considered. On the one hand, the thrust of the impeller may decrease, but on the other hand, if we use something like an annular wing rather than a traditional impeller, the lift may actually increase.


Impeller (top left) and annular wing aircraft

As for evading enemy attacks, here we return again to the topic of towed traps, which we discussed earlier in the material. Towed decoys for the Geran-2 UAV will reduce the effectiveness of Ukrainian air defense systems by 1,5-2 times.It is unclear why such a simple and cheap way to deceive enemy SAMs and air-to-air missiles is still ignored by our manned combat aviation, as well as UAV developers.

After all, the simplest towable trap is just a corner reflector, which can be made even by children from sheets of plastic and foil, and its mass will be several hundred grams.


It is possible that when our developers tested towed decoys, they merged with the main target on the radar screen, but it is important to remember that Western air defense systems often use SAMs with active or semi-active radar homing heads (GHS), so even if at a distance of several tens of kilometers the UAV and the towed decoy appear as one whole due to the lack of radar resolution (which is even good for us, since the enemy will not be able to select between the UAV and the towed decoy), then as the SAM approaches the target, it may well “prefer” not the UAV, but a corner reflector that is invitingly glowing in the radar range.

Given the minimum weight of the towed decoy, a UAV can accommodate four or more, for example, in a tube on top of the hull. After the first decoy is deployed, for example, on a fishing line used to catch large fish, it will create tension on the line due to its aerodynamic drag. After the first decoy is destroyed by an enemy SAM, the tension on the line will drop, and a second decoy can be deployed, then a third, and so on.

What if the enemy has to spend three or four expensive SAMs on just one Geranium? With that kind of spending, Europe will soon be eating grass.

Furthermore, as we mentioned above, the enemy has recently begun using F-16 fighters armed with APKWS II laser-guided missiles to intercept kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium family. Towed decoys made of metal-coated corner reflectors could also be effective against this scourge.

It's important to understand that the laser beam illuminating the target for the APKWS II missile's homing head is not a dot, like in the movies. It is quite out of focus at a distance, meaning that a towed decoy could very well fall into its field, producing a clear reflection, unlike the jet-black body of a Geranium-type kamikaze UAV.

Active protection


The use of laser-guided missiles by the enemy, not only from F-16 fighters but also from ground-based systems, requires increased protection against this type of weapon.

Of course, when it comes to the Geranium family of kamikaze UAVs, there's no point in talking about anything complex or expensive, like the L-370 Vitebsk airborne self-defense system, for example. However, simpler solutions could be considered, such as a basic laser irradiation sensor based on civilian technology and a smoke generator that activates upon receiving a signal from said sensor.

When combined with a towed decoy, the smoke generator could well increase the survivability of a Geranium-type UAV under attack from APKWS II missiles.


The unified smoke bomb (UDSh) based on the TM-62M mine body creates an opaque smoke screen extending 100-150 meters for 8-10 minutes, although it is a bit heavy at 13,5 kilograms; something smaller and lighter is needed.

Another area of ​​conflict is FPV interceptors. Earlier in the article Increasing the protection of reconnaissance UAVs from FPV interceptors We've already discussed means of functionally suppressing the optical guidance systems of FPV interceptors, implemented using civilian laser emitters with a power of several tens of watts. A similar solution could be used to protect kamikaze UAVs of the Geran family, equipped with feedback systems.

However, it's possible that the developers have already found a simpler solution: enemy resources have posted images of Geranium-class kamikaze UAVs with powerful infrared illuminators mounted on their wingtips, which obscure the thermal imagers of FPV interceptors. The advantage of this solution is that it eliminates the need for precise targeting, but the disadvantage is likely shorter range, and it's not guaranteed to blind daytime video cameras.


FPV interceptors differ from SAMs and air-to-air missiles by their significantly lower approach speed and often plastic hull. Accordingly, to counter them, the possibility of creating active defense systems (ADS) for UAVs based on civilian components can be considered.

In particular, motion sensors used in smart homes could potentially be used to detect FPV interceptors. To minimize false alarms, several units could be installed, as this isn't a significant cost at a few hundred rubles. Two to four groups of sensors and several buckshot rounds would form one KAZ-UAV, with an estimated weight of approximately 0,5-1 kg. Two to four such KAZ-UAVs could potentially be deployed.


Inexpensive household sensors can detect movement at a range of 5-12 meters.

Conclusions


As we can see, there are still areas for improvement for the Geranium family of kamikaze UAVs.

The article doesn't discuss the possibility of mounting various weapons on the Geranium—this is a vast undertaking, both in terms of deployment options and operational tactics. Now that the R-60 air-to-air missile has been installed on this UAV, even the most ardent skeptics should have no doubts about the Geranium's armament capabilities.

Accordingly, depending on the equipment within the swarm, the Geraniums will have their own roles, that is, different tasks to be performed.

And, of course, the innovations being implemented should not interfere with the main advantage of the kamikaze UAVs of the Geranium family – their production in thousands of copies.
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  1. +8
    8 January 2026 04: 14
    Of course, it would be nice if the Geranium could deal more damage, hold its own against a variety of opponents, and do much more, but we have what we have. And this weapon was designed as a cheap means of delivering explosives from point A to point B without risking friendly forces. All these innovations could both degrade its core performance and increase the cost. So, think twice about this.
    1. +10
      8 January 2026 05: 11
      I agree in principle. But here's where the nuances lie. The more sophisticated the Geranium, the more expensive it is (exponentially). The optimal solution, I believe, would be for these drones to be available in various modifications. From the most complex (read: expensive) to the most "primitive," but each has its purpose! And the purpose should be determined by... and we're back to humans again! Of course, AI has made great strides lately. But... I won't get into any polemics, as I know there are a lot of AI fans here. I'll add that a machine (that AI) can't be smarter than its creator! That's my opinion!
      1. +2
        8 January 2026 06: 13
        Quote: Traveler 63
        I'd like to add that a machine (that AI) can't be smarter than its creator! That's my opinion!

        Never say never".
        The history of computer programs defeating humans in games:

        "Human vs. AI in Games: A History of Confrontation"
        https://habr.com/ru/articles/787912/?ysclid=mk4uuomc8p580380408 .

        Vladimir Arlazarov, one of Kaissa's developers, offers an interesting argument for why it's important to start with games:
        "There are several reasons. When we solve a practical problem, it's quite difficult for an outsider to determine whether we're solving it well or poorly. There's usually no criterion for achieving the goal! But in games, there's a simple and clear criterion: let's say, The program beat a grandmaster—very good. Beat the world champion? Absolutely brilliant!».
        1. +1
          8 January 2026 12: 04
          Quote: Cube123
          When we solve an applied problem, it is quite difficult for an outsider to determine whether we are solving it well or poorly.

          Quote: Cube123
          And in games, there's a simple and clear criterion: let's say a program beats a grandmaster—very good. Beats a world champion? Absolutely brilliant!

          So, AI beats champions. Now let's take a practical problem where the criterion is clear to everyone: did they solve your problem? Almost all banks and many state, municipal, and utility organizations now use AI. The question is, does it solve the problem? I've never succeeded; humans have solved everything. So, it turns out that a program can beat a champion, but it can't solve a fairly simple real-world problem. In short, when defining AI, the word "intelligence" can still be put in quotation marks.
      2. +3
        8 January 2026 08: 35
        Quote: Traveler 63
        I'd like to add that a machine (that AI) can't be smarter than its creator! That's my opinion!


        It's not about intelligence, but about reaction speed. Humans are simply a "slowpoke" compared to machine intelligence. Competing with AI when performing routine tasks is practically impossible.
        1. -1
          8 January 2026 10: 30
          It doesn't matter that the human brain, when analyzing a multitude of variable events, selects optimized solutions and makes subsequent decisions based on algorithms. And all this is relative to changing or unchanging benchmarks. Furthermore, arrays of multiple new inputs, whether conducive or not, are involved. But the main thing is that the fundamentals of mathematics are completely different in gameplay and analysis, especially with the dynamic aspects of events.
          1. +2
            8 January 2026 12: 39
            Quote: gridasov
            It doesn’t matter that the human brain, when analyzing a multitude of variable events, selects optimized solutions and makes further decisions according to algorithms.


            Nothing. That's exactly how AI is taught. Based on human experience, the optimal solutions people have found in similar situations.

            What's the difference? Anything that can be described mathematically can be taught to AI.
            1. -1
              8 January 2026 14: 40
              An analysis system will never be built on binary logic and the principles of one bit - one electromagnetic pulse correspondence.
              1. 0
                9 January 2026 12: 44
                Quote: gridasov
                An analysis system will never be built on binary logic and the principles of one bit - one electromagnetic pulse correspondence.


                So, computers that beat human champions at chess or Go don't analyze the situation? That's a bold statement.
                1. 0
                  9 January 2026 20: 48
                  As far as I remember, they just calculate the options faster.
                  1. 0
                    10 January 2026 08: 19
                    There are more possible variations than there are atoms in the galaxy. "Simple" won't do; more complex analysis methods are needed.
                    1. +1
                      12 January 2026 18: 57
                      There's a selection of options, and the more powerful the machine, the more options it processes per unit of time. Artificial intelligence, yes; intelligence, no. There's no analysis there, as far as I know.
                2. 0
                  15 January 2026 17: 32
                  Just take and analyze the boundary flow of a fluid at every point of contact with a surface, between laminar and turbulent flow. This is why humanity cannot transcend the architecture of a propeller and blades when working with continuous media. You can be close, but not understand the analysis algorithms, and you will never create a revolution or a technological breakthrough. The level of logic and understanding of the combined diversity of binary and multipolar logic is like the level between animals and humans.
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        3. 0
          9 January 2026 02: 45
          Quote: Illanatol
          Quote: Traveler 63
          I'd like to add that a machine (that AI) can't be smarter than its creator! That's my opinion!


          It's not about intelligence, but about reaction speed. Humans are simply a "slowpoke" compared to machine intelligence. Competing with AI when performing routine tasks is practically impossible.

          I agree with you on this! It would be hard to disagree, actually!
    2. 0
      8 January 2026 06: 15
      and stand up for yourself against various opponents
      One autumn I read that air-to-air missiles were used at some point on Gerani. And that's how they shot down a helicopter...
    3. +3
      8 January 2026 08: 32
      Think a hundred times.
      That's right!
      Moreover, we do not know how many “decoys” were shot down, and how many attack UAVs.
      However, the naming tactics for Geraniums/Gerberas and similar techniques need to be changed periodically. Which, in fact, is being done.
      Missile carriers should follow Gerani at altitude, a couple hundred kilometers away, to strike the air defense missile systems. Among these drones, air-to-air missile-equipped drones would also be useful.
      Below are smaller Gerbers, including those equipped with a guidance system for sea targets, such as mobile anti-aircraft gunner groups,
      Well, the launches of ballistics and missile defense systems and the moments of reloading the air defense with a swarm of UAVs.
      This is no secret; this is apparently how they plan group and mass attacks.
      A happy medium is essential. Cheap decoys and drones with missiles are needed in the right proportions.
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  3. P
    +5
    8 January 2026 04: 36
    You can easily go the other way and create a really cheap UAV with a similar signature and the most primitive control and course-keeping system, filled with fuel alone, and there you have it, a false target
    1. 0
      9 January 2026 00: 47
      How can I save on the engine?
    2. 0
      9 January 2026 06: 51
      Gerbera or something? You think you're the only one that smart? winked
  4. 0
    8 January 2026 06: 23
    I wonder how many more years the author plans to fight Ukraine? On January 13, 2026, the duration of the Central Military District will exceed the duration of the Great Patriotic War. Then, in 1418 days, the USSR utterly defeated Nazi Germany and its satellites, captured Berlin, and victoriously ended the war. Will we finish liberating the DPR by January 13, not to mention Kyiv?
    1. -4
      8 January 2026 06: 49
      In that case, don't write comments; go to the front lines for a general mobilization, and instead, put the economy on war footing. Are you ready for that?
      1. +5
        8 January 2026 07: 23
        I'm 74+. And my war is Afghanistan. And everyone knows how it ended for the USSR.
        ps
        Don't write comments, go to the front.

        Do you give advice directly from LBS or from the couch?
      2. +1
        8 January 2026 14: 37
        Quote: Yuras_Belarus
        Are you ready for this?

        Are you ready to return to Soviet power before making such demands?
    2. +6
      8 January 2026 07: 30
      Amateur hi There are too many differences between the S.V.O. and V.O.V. Between the USSR and the R.F.
    3. +5
      8 January 2026 07: 31
      On January 13, 2026, the duration of the Second World War will exceed the duration of the Great Patriotic War.
      You're forgetting about the Thirty Years' War! And before that, there was the Hundred Years' War. wink wink
      1. -1
        8 January 2026 07: 33
        And when did Russia participate in the 100-Year War? Please don't mock us!
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    4. +4
      8 January 2026 08: 17
      The USSR fought with all its might, both at the front and in the rear - and we started singing, dancing and "we were not going to start our own way."
    5. 0
      14 January 2026 10: 31
      Didn't you notice that in the first years they "pitied" the brothers, but last year they "suddenly" stopped and started hitting the power grid globally?
  5. +3
    8 January 2026 07: 12
    Kaz on household sensors is cool.
    1. +3
      8 January 2026 08: 46
      Quote: Eng Mech
      Kaz on household sensors is cool

      I was also "delighted"!
    2. 0
      11 January 2026 19: 14
      I watched a video: they shot down a reconnaissance plane with a ram. On the third or fourth try, even though it was bigger, it couldn't maneuver much. Well, not an APS, but a targeted detonation, like with anti-aircraft missiles.
  6. +2
    8 January 2026 07: 18
    I wonder why it is forbidden to launch geraniums in batches from high-altitude transport vehicles outside the affected area.

    And let them accelerate under the influence of gravity and continue to fly relatively high at a higher speed.
    1. +1
      9 January 2026 12: 16
      Why can't you launch geraniums in bunches from high-altitude transport vehicles?

      Firstly, it is expensive; the costs are much greater than the fuel that the Gerani burn when flying over safe areas.
      secondly - if Ukrainians "Suddenly" they shoot down a transport plane, then immediately there is a loss of the plane and lots and lots of Geraniums.
      Thirdly, at high altitude they are all very visible, and since their flight speed is not high, the main thing here is to figure out where they are flying and quickly deploy mobile task forces in their path.

      Objectively speaking, there's no need to invent anything, but we need to teach Geranium to fly at the lowest possible altitude with the maximum number of maneuvers. For example, to follow the terrain while flying at low altitude. There are several difficulties here – composing so many flight missions for so many Geraniums is quite challenging... and the process could take a long time.
      Now they are simply launched into the area in a bunch, with a couple of maneuvers along the way, and then each one has its own coordinates, which it must fulfill.
      Therefore, the problem is not in the Geraniums themselves, but in the quality of the flight missions for each unit.
  7. +1
    8 January 2026 07: 34
    I have a question: why are geraniums painted black? Why not paint the bottom silver and the top to match the local color, depending on the season?
    1. +1
      8 January 2026 08: 26
      Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

      Quote: Pulse
      I have a question: why are geraniums painted black?

      Cheaper and faster. They're used primarily at night. Many of them are just dummies, designed to detect enemy air defenses, and the more visible they are, the better.
  8. 0
    8 January 2026 07: 37
    A canister with buckshot isn't even visible on armor, and I've rarely seen smoke screens used, even on the ground. A mass attack on a single target will help reduce losses.
  9. 0
    8 January 2026 08: 34
    Survivability cannot be improved, as the proposed solutions are easily circumvented. Accuracy must be improved, so that the freed-up geraniums can carry MANPADS and anti-radar missiles, and can also be used against air defense systems from the outset. And tactics must be closer to those of WWII: raids with large numbers of UAVs, so that at least the last one hits the target.

    In the end, it all comes down to connectivity and software again.
  10. +2
    8 January 2026 09: 00
    "the creation of inexpensive, mass-produced, high-speed ballistic missiles."
    Inexpensive and mass-produced ballistics are for Ynu.
    Quite an effective cooperation.
    1. +2
      8 January 2026 10: 54
      Quote: Livonetc
      "the creation of inexpensive, mass-produced, high-speed ballistic missiles."
      Inexpensive and mass-produced ballistics are for Ynu.
      Quite an effective cooperation.

      Inexpensive mass ballistics are MLRS and lunar landscapes in the target area. It works, but not everywhere, not always, and, ultimately, it's not cheap.
      But inexpensive, controlled ballistics is a different technological paradigm. One we should, in theory, be jumping into headfirst. But that's not our thing! Let me explain: we have a labor shortage, a problem that could be solved by accelerated development of AI, additive manufacturing, and robotics, but we're not even close to the mark on this topic! "We need millions of migrant workers!" That's all. And we'll spend our energy and resources on mitigating outbreaks of "ethno-cultural discord" between migrants and the native population! sad
      IIMHO hi
      1. +1
        8 January 2026 19: 48
        In fact, creating inexpensive guided ballistics isn't just that simple, it's very simple. And its use wouldn't be more expensive than all those Hail and Hurricanes (and ten times cheaper per target), and for ranges of up to a couple hundred kilometers, it's cheaper than KABs. But large design bureaus aren't interested in such "small and cheap" projects. The higher-ups, however, lack the breadth of knowledge to set objectives.
      2. 0
        9 January 2026 06: 55
        You seem to think that a manned drone is part of our technological paradigm, but a missile isn't? The Iskander is equipped with the same GLONASS/GPS correction system as the Geranium. And Geraniums are being churned out en masse.
        1. 0
          9 January 2026 11: 29
          Quote from alexoff
          You seem to think that a manned drone is part of our technological paradigm, but a missile isn't? The Iskander is equipped with the same GLONASS/GPS correction system as the Geranium. And Geraniums are being churned out en masse.

          Cheap, mass-produced, and made with minimal human labor! We can't even make a car like that right now. By the way, I'm not talking about the product design, but the technology!
          1. 0
            9 January 2026 15: 30
            Yes, geranium likely requires more human labor; composite propellant production is highly mechanized, and the winglet control systems aren't exactly that much more complex or technologically advanced. It's just that geranium requires simpler equipment; the production line was likely purchased, taking into account the low-skilled Iranian labor force. As for solid composite propellant, you have to make it yourself! Or buy it from the Koreans. That's what they say, and that's what they do.
  11. 0
    8 January 2026 09: 18
    Clearly, all the listed defensive measures must be used. Cheap and effective. With such widespread use of Geraniums, saving them by using decoys and the like will yield a very noticeable increase in the number of successful hits.
  12. 0
    8 January 2026 09: 29
    It flies very loudly. That's one of the main downsides.
    1. -3
      8 January 2026 10: 03
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote: Antony
      It flies very loudly. That's one of the main downsides.

      On the contrary - a plus.

      It's like a conditioned reflex in Pavlov's dog. The dog secreted gastric juices when a light bulb came on, but Ukrainians experience a bout of diarrhea when Geranium approaches. They won't be able to shake this reflex for a very long time.
  13. Owl
    0
    8 January 2026 10: 16
    Offensive and defensive means + tactics (battle formation). Reduce signature with propeller fairings and install engine guards to disperse IR signatures, tow radar reflectors (first echelon), and in the second and third echelons deploy operator-controlled Geran missiles with high-explosive fragmentation warheads to engage mobile air defense groups, and Geran missiles with R-60s (no need to waste MANPADS, they're more useful for our own air defense) to combat light air defense aircraft and helicopters, and to deter more expensive and fast-moving combat assets (fighters and attack aircraft used in the air defense system). It's important to ensure reliable operator-UAV communications, either via frequency hopping or satellite internet...
    1. Owl
      0
      8 January 2026 21: 01
      The Ukrainian patriots are actively working—the more downvotes, the better the comment. At the same time, the percentage shows how many enemies Russian citizenship has acquired.
  14. 0
    8 January 2026 10: 43
    None of the presented types of propulsion systems, namely the devices that ensure flight and maneuverability, are effective or promising for modernization. Most importantly, they provide neither speed, nor maneuverability in acceleration or braking during flight, nor spatial maneuverability, nor noiselessness, nor the ability to increase and maneuver payload or flight range at various altitudes and in any weather conditions. This is because all inventors and designers work with mechanisms, not with physical, intellectual processes. Therefore, the solutions are quite simple, but the mechanisms supporting these processes are radically different. It is important to note that without understanding the foundations on which civilization rests, it is impossible to develop into the future.
  15. 0
    8 January 2026 11: 07
    The rocket-powered Geranium should be converted into a bomber, and used to drop free-fall bombs from altitudes over 3000 meters. This would significantly reduce losses and consumption.
    1. +1
      8 January 2026 11: 17
      Quote: Melior
      The rocket-powered Geranium should be converted into a bomber, and used to drop free-fall bombs from altitudes over 3000 meters. This would significantly reduce losses and consumption.

      With 3000, cast iron, 50 kg, drop by coordinates, without aiming (budget Geranium), if for purely terrorist purposes - a large city, a holiday, mass festivities, then it will do.
      And if in the military, then even with a nuclear charge, the effect will be extremely questionable...
      IMHO hi
      1. +1
        8 January 2026 11: 30
        Why budget and without targeting? If it's a bomber, it's potentially reusable, so more advanced avionics can be installed. Modern navigation systems allow the launch site to be targeted with an accuracy of a few meters, so there's a high probability of hitting a circle with a radius of 15-20 meters. And if you're dropping not just one or two FABs, but 20-30 in a series, the probability is even higher.
        1. 0
          8 January 2026 11: 36
          If you attach a system similar to Hephaestus and the corresponding communication/telemy systems for controlling the PNK to Geranium, you will end up with something on the scale of the Su-17, at the very least. fellow By the way, a working option is also possible if the goal is to do this on a large scale and at a reasonable cost. hi
          1. 0
            8 January 2026 11: 46
            This is completely unnecessary: ​​the standard navigation equipment is perfectly capable of guiding the bombers to the targeting point. It just needs to be equipped with bomb racks and the tactics for using it need to be refined.
            1. +1
              8 January 2026 12: 01
              Hmm... The aiming point is usually constant if the target is static. But the release point depends on a bunch of factors: the carrier's altitude, its speed, wind direction and speed in the target area broken down by altitude, precipitation, atmospheric density, and other things. To determine these parameters and, accordingly, the release point coordinates, a Targeting and Navigation System is needed, and, at the current stage of development, a complete operator package.
              1. +1
                8 January 2026 12: 13
                I was referring to the release point above; there was a typo. The altitude, speed, flight path, and wind speed and direction at flight altitude are already in the navigator (wind at altitude isn't calculated during bombing, only during airdrops), and the bomb's characteristic time is also known. So, all the necessary data for the calculation is already there. The release point was perfectly calculated and recalculated in real time on the Gnome series of aircraft onboard computers from the 60s with 32 KB of ferrite-ring RAM, and for any modern computer, this is a piece of cake.
    2. 0
      9 January 2026 07: 00
      Most likely, it has a low-resource engine, making landing difficult. In my opinion, it would be better to make a twin-engine Geranium with a machine gun and Igla-V missiles so it could fly around the frontline regions and shoot down enemy drones.
      1. 0
        9 January 2026 09: 32
        The engine there is enough for 10 missions, and the parachute landing has long been perfected. The Geranium interceptor is apparently already implemented. As for the twin-engine system, that would require a completely new design; it's unknown when it will fly.
        1. 0
          9 January 2026 10: 20
          Quote: Melior
          The engine there is enough for 10 missions, and the parachute landing has long been perfected. The Geranium interceptor is apparently already implemented. As for the twin-engine system, that would require a completely new design; it's unknown when it will fly.


          Bartini installed two engines in series with two counter-rotating propellers in a ring nozzle on his first seaplanes.

          They write that it was effective
          1. +1
            9 January 2026 10: 35
            We're talking about reactive Geranium here.
            1. 0
              9 January 2026 10: 35
              Quote: Melior
              We're talking about reactive Geranium here.

              Oh!
          2. 0
            9 January 2026 14: 33
            Quote: Eng Mech
            Bartini installed two engines in series with two counter-rotating propellers in a ring nozzle on his first seaplanes.

            They write that it was effective

            "Not everything is so simple!" ©
            The latest iteration on this theme was the propfan D-27 (Ivchenko-Prgess, I think, or Motor Sich?) in the mid-2000s, which never flew beyond the flying laboratory stage.
            1. 0
              9 January 2026 14: 53
              Quote: engineer74
              Quote: Eng Mech
              Bartini installed two engines in series with two counter-rotating propellers in a ring nozzle on his first seaplanes.

              They write that it was effective

              "Not everything is so simple!" ©
              The latest iteration on this theme was the propfan D-27 (Ivchenko-Prgess, I think, or Motor Sich?) in the mid-2000s, which never flew beyond the flying laboratory stage.


              I misunderstood the subject of the conversation about two engines (as I was already told)
        2. 0
          12 January 2026 23: 00
          The Geranium interceptor seems to have already been implemented.
          I've never heard of such a thing. All sorts of slow-moving ash-planes that fly through our cities are usually caught from the ground.
          Regarding the twin-engine one, it would have to be completely new, and it’s unknown when it would fly.
          Yes, they didn't do that in Iran. And now, without drawing boards, slide rules, and pencils, they'll be developing and adopting them for ten years.
      2. -2
        12 January 2026 19: 47
        Quote from alexoff
        It would be better to make a twin-engine Geranium with a machine gun and Igla missiles

        Which will cost as much as a cast-iron bridge and which will be felled by a swarm of FPV
        1. -1
          12 January 2026 22: 57
          Are there swarms of drones flying around our rear? And at the front, there are probably as many drones as mosquitoes in the tundra, buzzing around by the millions.
  16. +1
    8 January 2026 11: 39
    By the way, one cannot help but notice how much more difficult it is for the enemy to shoot down our ballistics, in connection with which It is necessary to pay close attention to the creation of inexpensive, mass-produced, high-speed ballistic weapons

    How do you imagine "creating inexpensive mass-produced goods"?
    I can't even imagine this for myself...
    We don't have a concept of pricing, we don't understand the concepts of costs and profits, profitability...
    The word "cost price" is almost a swear word...
    1. -1
      9 January 2026 07: 05
      Well, first you make it mass-produced, and then you get something inexpensive. Tornado missiles, for example. Incidentally, I had a bourgeois AI calculate what it would be like to squeeze a new missile with a 100 kg warhead and the most advanced, cutting-edge composite fuel into the Tornado missile's dimensions. The missile, by the way, would become noticeably heavier. But at the same time, if you calculate it directly, it would fly 1200 km, while a more realistic range would be 800 km. belay
      But that's certainly not a budget option. But 200-300 km is a perfectly reasonable range, nothing out of the question.
  17. +1
    8 January 2026 11: 41
    In the given table, the efficiency of the CR is also insufficient.
    1. 0
      8 January 2026 12: 38
      Yes, subsonic missiles are very effective these days.
  18. 0
    8 January 2026 11: 51
    Battle for "Geranium": it is necessary to increase survival rate several times our basic high-precision weapons

    Author, why haven't you considered the question of how they detect our Geranium, how they determine the expected paths of its flight, and how they create mobile barriers/groups on them?
    After all, the problem you posed in the title can be solved in two ways - by increasing the cost of UAV design/production or by attempting to distribute UAV launch sites - to make it more difficult for the enemy to determine the flight paths - the flight targets of the Geraniums...
    You, like the entire "machine" of the Russian Ministry of Defense, decide in favor of "increasing the cost" of such a decision. We understand that they are doing this, but what are you doing then?
    1. 0
      9 January 2026 07: 12
      You're thinking the wrong way! If we know geraniums are visible on radar, then the geranium must be flying toward the radar! If there's no radar, that's it, the geranium is stealth! winked
      If mobile groups are shining searchlights, let the geranium fly towards the light like a moth! If the geranium receives IR radiation in the upper hemisphere, well, it's unlikely it will be able to shoot down a fighter, but it could, for example, send a distress signal via Era-GLONASS, so our fighters can launch something there.
      Well, you can only make a few of these smart geraniums, one in ten.
      Everyone is thinking about how to dodge, although it is much better to parry attacks.
  19. 0
    8 January 2026 11: 53
    By the way, one cannot help but notice how much more difficult it is for the enemy to disrupt our ballistics

    Author, do you really believe in this... extreme? belay wassat
    I even feel sorry for you.
    How can you analyze anything based on complete nonsense? belay laughing
  20. 0
    8 January 2026 11: 58
    Quantity is everything, although simple and inexpensive methods of defense and attack information are also necessary. But quantity is the key. They'll launch 100 Geraniums in 2026, up from 50 in 2025. The number of downed missiles won't increase significantly. The strength of such weapons lies in their low cost and accuracy.
  21. 0
    8 January 2026 12: 38
    If you want unstoppable speed, you need supersonic/hypersonic speed and maneuverability. Or "thick sides," like the KAB. The aforementioned diagram confirms this. Kamikaze UAVs are a cheap compromise. In "zerg rush" mode (I'm sure old-timers remember the most popular RTS from 25 years ago, Starcraft), 9 out of 10 are shot down, but 1 makes it, and 1000 are launched. And the price of each is 0.5% of the Iskander or Kh-32.
  22. 0
    8 January 2026 12: 40
    UMPK with FAB-500/1500 - that's the "wonder weapon" for now.
    1. 0
      9 January 2026 19: 58
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      UMPK with FAB-500/1500 - that's the "wonder weapon" for now.

      Most likely not because of the “thick sides”, but because of the decent speed on the terminal section.
  23. +1
    8 January 2026 15: 57
    Mitrofanov, buy some glasses. There are geraniums and gerberas all in one pile. And the goal of any gerbera is to be knocked down with the greatest possible expense for the "host."
  24. 0
    8 January 2026 18: 35
    Once again, it all comes down to connectivity and software.[/quote]

    All the programmers have left, but there are no openings, no money, no work. And if they do offer work, there's no flexible hours, not even 300 rubles a month to start, no development of personal projects. And they demand I do what the bosses have come up with, not what I know best.
    1. +1
      8 January 2026 20: 42
      not even 300 thousand rubles a month to start with

      No... myself, I said to myself. A friend works as a tester and adjuster of electronic circuit boards at a civilian enterprise. The salary is 60-100 thousand.
      1. 0
        9 January 2026 14: 55
        In 2020, an Uzbek laborer working on a Moscow construction site was paid 3500 rubles a day.
  25. 0
    8 January 2026 18: 45
    "The word 'cost price' is almost a swear word..."

    Making money on a government contract? Well, maybe 3-5 percent. That's profit.
    But you can't make money on state defense contracts. It was Mr. T. Ivanov who was protecting the state defense contractors. And they, in addition to protection, also wanted to save money.
  26. 0
    8 January 2026 19: 14
    Of course, there is no doubt that the enemy is inflating its successes according to the principle “write more – why feel sorry for them,” and the numbers of Geraniums shot down may well be inflated.

    There's no doubt about it. You need to read exactly what the enemy is saying. First, he's talking generally about Geranium and Gerber, and second, not just about those shot down, but about all those who missed their targets for various reasons.
    At least half (27) are cheap Gerber lures, and of course, all of them are incapable of hitting any target. Thus, of the 27 Geranium lures, approximately 20, or 74%, were shot down or missed their targets. The actual figure is even lower, as it's unknown how many of those 20 were not shot down or missed their targets for other reasons.
    1. 0
      9 January 2026 20: 35
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Of course, there is no doubt that the enemy is inflating its successes according to the principle “write more – why feel sorry for them,” and the numbers of Geraniums shot down may well be inflated.

      There's no doubt about it. You need to read exactly what the enemy is saying. First, he's talking generally about Geranium and Gerber, and second, not just about those shot down, but about all those who missed their targets for various reasons.
      At least half (27) are cheap Gerber lures, and of course, all of them are incapable of hitting any target. Thus, of the 27 Geranium lures, approximately 20, or 74%, were shot down or missed their targets. The actual figure is even lower, as it's unknown how many of those 20 were not shot down or missed their targets for other reasons.

      Meanwhile, in Krayina, they especially love to exaggerate the successes of air defense. In fact, they hardly shot down even one Kinzhal, but they claim to have shot down 35%!!! And if they shot down so many, why is Krayina now essentially in a blackout? If I remember correctly, just six months ago, Krayina's air defense, according to their data, destroyed 95-99% of all attack weapons. So what then? Or maybe it wasn't the Geraniums that were harassing targets in Krayina, but the Krayina SAMs themselves that were being smashed to pieces!!! It's unlikely that the combined number of Geraniums and Gerberas shot down exceeds 50%. hi
  27. 0
    8 January 2026 22: 34
    These throwing and moanings, highly respected author, would not have happened if only someone had supported Strelkov while he was holding the Slavic agglomeration.

    The perverted critics immediately took out the Ukroreikh globe, looked at it, and were stunned to see where Strelkov and his 300 Spartans had been more than 11 (eleven!!) years ago.

    Was it right not to support him?

    Libernia will answer unequivocally!
  28. 0
    8 January 2026 22: 48
    It is necessary to increase their production by 2-3 times and knock down all more or less important objects, both civilian and military.
  29. -3
    8 January 2026 23: 38
    The Russian government and its "elite" have no goal of defeating Ukraine. Therefore, all proposals can be thrown in the trash. In one month, the Second World War in Ukraine will have been underway for four years. Four years, and there is not a single legal document from the Russian Federation on the Second World War in Ukraine. What the goal is, what the Second World War is, is not stated anywhere in the documents. A "process" of military action is ongoing, with a beginning but no end in sight.
  30. 0
    9 January 2026 11: 44
    By the way, one cannot help but notice how much more difficult it is for the enemy to disrupt our ballistics

    IN GRANITE!
    This is about Avantgardes, Poseidons, and other unparalleled projects. All of this was analyzed, calculated, and rejected back in the 60s. Because it takes a LONG time to fly and float.
    Every minute counts. angry

    Hypersonic, damn! Gagarin already flew by at hypersonic speeds, even though there's no sound there! laughing
  31. 0
    9 January 2026 12: 26
    Advice to the author: Before writing such a piece of junk, it would be a good idea to know the true reasons why Geraniums failed to reach their targets. I'm not just talking about downings by mobile task forces, but also crashes due to technical reasons. Perhaps then this entire article will be completely irrelevant.
  32. 0
    9 January 2026 18: 51
    Is the author familiar with aerodynamics and flight dynamics in general?
    Identical aircraft cannot fly at low/extremely low altitudes and high altitudes at the same ground speed. Fuel consumption, even if they were able to fly at the same ground speed, would differ significantly... But the indicated/true airspeeds, yes, would be the same...
    Does the author have a humanities education, such as marketing, political science, law, or economics?
  33. 0
    9 January 2026 20: 30
    Another way to increase Geranium survivability is to destroy cell towers in the area, as they are the primary means of detecting Geraniums. But this is a double-edged sword. After all, it's through their cell towers that these Geraniums control the final stages. However, no one can stop you from destroying all towers within 200-300 km of the LBS and leaving the ones further away for feedback with the Geraniums. This would significantly reduce MTF reaction time, and fighters would have to be kept in the air, which is quite expensive.
  34. -2
    9 January 2026 22: 45
    Also, part of the Geraniums should have a block with scatterable "petal" mines, so that any hit drone will leave behind surprises for local trophy hunters at the crash site.
  35. 0
    10 January 2026 10: 24
    Has anyone considered the possibility that the Geraniums' high kill rate could be used to their advantage? If they're easier to spot and shoot down, but can't be ignored because they can still cause damage, then that means they're still useful when they're shot down.
    After all, if they are cheap and they were shot down, the enemy spent a much more expensive missile/system on them than the geranium itself, and which could have been used against much more serious targets.
    Ultimately, if you shoot it down, you're wasting expensive air defense missiles that could be useful for other targets. But you can't NOT shoot it down either, because the geranium itself can carry quite a serious payload.
    As a result, the defender ends up in a losing defeat.
    However, as an ADVANTAGE, this can only work when used in a MASSIVE HYBRID attack (when several different types of weapons are launched at a target). Attacks in small groups are just a waste of UAVs.
  36. 0
    11 January 2026 18: 56
    It is necessary to use all the solutions developed in various weapons systems.
    1. Modular design of both the airframe and the weapons, control system, and so on... A conceptual equivalent of a "Piccatini rail" for mounting various submodules, for example.
    2. Adaptability of functionality, its in-flight reconfiguration. Well, they've started redirecting large ones these days. And from the simple – adjusting the ammunition depending on an unexpected change in the mission. Conversion from fragmentation to armor-piercing, etc.
    Well, to put it simply: compile a table of what's available in large weapons systems and analyze/calculate the feasibility of implementing them in drones. Yes, small size does offer an advantage. For example, spreading Luneberg lenses across several UAVs can conceal the true size of the swarm for quite a long time. Volumetric detonators can be designed with a controlled detonation pattern by separating the components across different UAVs.